From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 07:39:02 2011
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Radiator sizing question
Message-ID: <606612.16063.qm@web121509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I need to pick your brains if I could.
We are rapidly approaching the?time in our restoration of the powerhouse where we will need to build a radiator.? 
All we have are a room, piping sizes, 2 pumps, and a airplane propellor style fan.? Not much to work with.
We have 2 model 47 Fairbanks semi-diesel (or oil engines if you prefer), a 75hp single and a 150hp twin of 14x18 bore & stroke.? 
At the moment we plan on just operating under a light load but there is always the possibility of firing up the large alternators later on, so we need adequate cooling.? Our 55gal oil drum filled with water and a small pump just aren't going to cut the mustard in the long run, but has let us get the 75 up and running for short periods of time.
Anybody have any idea on what calculations we need, BTU's, GPM's, anything at all will be much appreciated.
We have finally been given permission to publish pictures and information on the powerhouse so if you wish to see them go to www.edenspringspark.com and poke 'power plant'.
Warning, this section was just started and does contain some errors and discrepencies, so please bear with us as we get things added and corrected.? Stop back often and see our progress.
Thanks in advance for any and all help, comments, jokes, questions, etc.
David

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed May  4 21:05:31 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:05:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
Message-ID: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>

These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
I just typed in the numbers.
Rob

Early Fordson w/crawler 7,500
1932 Allis Chalmers G 3,250
John Deere R 3,600
Late John Deere D (not very nice) 1,800
Cat 30 2,600
Cat 10 2,200
6 hp Schilling 155,000
20 hp late model Western, wrong carb 11,000
12 hp Hercules 4,000
12 Witte 2,100
20 hp shotgun Fairbanks 3,100
15 hp shotgun Fairbanks 2,600
3 hp late model Samson 6,700
5 hp Sattley 750
8 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 2,500
5 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 1,000
3 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 900
6 hp John Deere, ignitor 3,500
3 hp John Deere 850
1 1/2 hp John Deere 700
5 hp Rock Island, on skid 950
5 hp Massey Harris Type 2 5,000
3 hp Delaval 1,600
1941 FM Style C 800
Vertical Bovaird & Seyfang 4 hp, hot tube 1,000
1928 Fairbanks Morse Z Type C 800
3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 600
Fairbanks Morse Style C 400
3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 700
Fairbanks Morse Eclipse 1,000
Economy 950
Demster 1,000
4 hp Witte 800
1 1/2 hp Dishpan Fairbanks 500
Nelson Jumbo	600
International LB parts engine 50
3 hp International M 500
27" Boston Forge Blower, beautiful condition 650
1918 Best 25 107,000
Samson Sievegrip (GM) 15,000
Cletrac 8,500
20-30 Rumely (in parts) 10,250







From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu May  5 03:32:03 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 06:32:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>

Thanks Rob
Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
R Fink


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "WAPA-Members" <WAPA-Members at rustyiron.com>; "Stationary-Engine ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
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Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results


> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks 
> ago in Ceres.
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob
>
> Early Fordson w/crawler 7,500
> 1932 Allis Chalmers G 3,250
> John Deere R 3,600
> Late John Deere D (not very nice) 1,800
> Cat 30 2,600
> Cat 10 2,200
> 6 hp Schilling 155,000
> 20 hp late model Western, wrong carb 11,000
> 12 hp Hercules 4,000
> 12 Witte 2,100
> 20 hp shotgun Fairbanks 3,100
> 15 hp shotgun Fairbanks 2,600
> 3 hp late model Samson 6,700
> 5 hp Sattley 750
> 8 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 2,500
> 5 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 1,000
> 3 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 900
> 6 hp John Deere, ignitor 3,500
> 3 hp John Deere 850
> 1 1/2 hp John Deere 700
> 5 hp Rock Island, on skid 950
> 5 hp Massey Harris Type 2 5,000
> 3 hp Delaval 1,600
> 1941 FM Style C 800
> Vertical Bovaird & Seyfang 4 hp, hot tube 1,000
> 1928 Fairbanks Morse Z Type C 800
> 3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 600
> Fairbanks Morse Style C 400
> 3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 700
> Fairbanks Morse Eclipse 1,000
> Economy 950
> Demster 1,000
> 4 hp Witte 800
> 1 1/2 hp Dishpan Fairbanks 500
> Nelson Jumbo 600
> International LB parts engine 50
> 3 hp International M 500
> 27" Boston Forge Blower, beautiful condition 650
> 1918 Best 25 107,000
> Samson Sievegrip (GM) 15,000
> Cletrac 8,500
> 20-30 Rumely (in parts) 10,250
>
>
>
>
>
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu May  5 05:32:42 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:32:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu May  5 06:20:57 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 06:20:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
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On May 5, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

> Thanks Rob
> Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
> R Fink

Ahdunno, Richard. 
Perhaps you can figure it out by looking through the lineup:
http://www.jrauctions.net/servlet/List.do?auctionId=110429&page=list&startLotId=20&direction=previous&categoryId=&filter=&showThumbNails=true


From old_iron at msn.com  Thu May  5 13:57:24 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:57:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
In-Reply-To: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W86132E7436B4E05B602C4E7800@phx.gbl>


Really nice pictures of the older wooden boats.
 
Thanks for sharing!
 
Peg
 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:40:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
> 
> That is one Shindig that I would love to attend, we have not been down
> south yet ;-)))
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for
> the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South
> Louisiana to join in some food and engines. 
> 
> Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
> http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958
> 
> JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and
> friends! 
> 
> -Steve- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu May  5 15:56:08 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 18:56:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
	<FAB2DFFC-FBE1-4987-97A7-656BA329559E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F9AB96E5A83D40698A6208287B094EBF@computer>

Thanks Rob
It is a Cleveland model F. With many modifications.
now called a cleatrac.
R Fink


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results


>
> On May 5, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rob
>> Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
>> R Fink
>
> Ahdunno, Richard.
> Perhaps you can figure it out by looking through the lineup:
> http://www.jrauctions.net/servlet/List.do?auctionId=110429&page=list&startLotId=20&direction=previous&categoryId=&filter=&showThumbNails=true
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri May  6 07:13:48 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:13:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F559FC202@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wonder if there was a buyers fee on top of that, plus California sales tax.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________




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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Fri May  6 07:28:08 2011
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 07:28:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
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	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F559FC202@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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George,

Sales tax yes...buyers fee no.

WT

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
George (DS)
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:14 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

Wonder if there was a buyers fee on top of that, plus California sales
tax.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Tucker
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple
weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May  6 12:37:12 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:37:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>

After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the trailer:

On 28 April 2011 20:02, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis65.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis66.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis67.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis68.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at me.com  Fri May  6 13:17:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:17:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>

Lookin GREAT Peter
	Dave
PS, And the supervision you have in the first photo I know the project  
will turn out well!

On May 6, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the  
> trailer:
>
> On 28 April 2011 20:02, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis65.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis66.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis67.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis68.jpg
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri May  6 13:46:53 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:46:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No windows?  Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
graffiti.  8-))

On Fri, May 6, 2011 3:37 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:
> After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the trailer:





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May  6 22:19:00 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 06:19:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimRvsmPvrq7a2bZz-6sB86DSDuQBA@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 21:17, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Lookin GREAT Peter
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, And the supervision you have in the first photo I know the project
> will turn out well!

Rita is in there working on it, not just supervising, Dave.

She is very good at handling the tools..... :-))

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 02:08:42 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 10:08:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 21:46, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> No windows? ?Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
> graffiti. ?8-))

Not quite graffiti, but we are producing two 3ft diameter (approx)
decals of the Ruston & Hornsby decal that is shown here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston/Transfer1.jpg

Maybe some additional lettering horizontally.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat May  7 07:14:44 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 10:14:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT!!  That'll class her up!

On Sat, May 7, 2011 5:08 am, Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 6 May 2011 21:46, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> No windows? ?Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
>> graffiti. ?8-))
>
> Not quite graffiti, but we are producing two 3ft diameter (approx)
> decals of the Ruston & Hornsby decal that is shown here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston/Transfer1.jpg
> Maybe some additional lettering horizontally.





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:43:08 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:43:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <F002484E5E144C109650A359E781127C@JIMDUNMYER>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEINCGAA.edurand@fairpoint.net>
	<4242B48F-EBE5-43B4-B806-C004C4AA785D@adam.com.au>
	<F002484E5E144C109650A359E781127C@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimXqdNPzTkzujTHk6b_berkqq8m0A@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 May 2011 15:07, Jim Dunmyer <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com> wrote:
> That said, Peter's trailer can't be loaded improperly to the point of
> causing handling problems, as it has 4 wheels, on the corners. It's more of
> a "wagon" than a "trailer", at least to me.

The individual axles are rated at 1300kg or 2860# each, so the
combined maximum load is 3900kg or 8580#.

The UK regulates this class/size of trailer to 3500kg or 7700# gross
weight as it uses over-run braking. Above 3500kg you have to have
powered brakes, usually air operated.

So, we have the two rear axles with the Ruston sat across them at
1700kg which leaves a fair margin of safety. The front axle is
carrying the front half of the body and the living quarters. The
towbar is not imposing any load on the towing vehicle, other than its
own weight and that of the towing coupling.

We are not ready for a loaded run yet, but we expect to see fairly
even distribution across the three axles.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:47:27 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:47:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 May 2011 15:14, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> BRILLIANT!! ?That'll class her up!

The transfer is pretty good, but when you blow it up to 3ft diameter
there's a huge amount of dust spots, colour bleed and defects, so we
have scanned it at 1600dpi and are working on it in the spare hours to
get a decent image in TIFF format for the printers. They output it on
a very nice inkjet type machine. ?45 per linear metre is what they
charge for full-colour prints. File size is a few hundred mb.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat May  7 14:20:14 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:20:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42774f5ebf966c08cb5e9c6a49c66f33.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No worries.  Road mung and sun fade will reduce the perceived resolution soon
enough.  8-))

On Sat, May 7, 2011 2:47 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:

> The transfer is pretty good, but when you blow it up to 3ft diameter
> there's a huge amount of dust spots, colour bleed and defects, so we
> have scanned it at 1600dpi and are working on it in the spare hours to
> get a decent image in TIFF format for the printers. They output it on
> a very nice inkjet type machine. ?45 per linear metre is what they
> charge for full-colour prints. File size is a few hundred mb.




From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Sat May  7 16:32:08 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:32:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Magneto for square hopper vertical Goold, Muir, Shapley?
Message-ID: <8C2498ED-C6EB-4C7A-98ED-18130767B5E4@gmail.com>

I have a vertical hit and miss Goold, Muir and Shapley hit and miss engine with the square hopper. I'm looking to convert it back to magneto from spark plug. Does anyone know what type of magneto I should start hunting for?

Sent from my iPhone


From rotigel at me.com  Sun May  8 05:29:14 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
Message-ID: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>

My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back  
from the UK this summer. See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
	Dave


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun May  8 07:10:09 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:10:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
Message-ID: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Lovely engine though...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
> from the UK this summer. See:
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280





From don.h at wcoil.com  Sun May  8 07:47:12 2011
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:47:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
	<e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7728C236B0274C36BE926F1E233BEAA1@gusPC>

will he have it running at Findlay Ohio this summer ???


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun May  8 12:02:52 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:02:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=57_XeumBQ9+a8eU3HONsDhbCg6w@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 20:37, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> After a pretty busy day:

Very productive day, in fact the whole weekend has been good, despite
some very heavy rain about 4am this morning, but that had dried up by
10am with the breeze and sun.

We have cut and stuck in place both cant rails (the top of each side)
and fixed all  the roof bars in place. Just short of one single-sided
tophat section to make up the second skylight/vent aperture. In the
pictures there is a conventional top hat piece just sitting there.

We get a delivery on Tuesday from Aalco so we can finish the roof and
start the rear door.ramp.

Also got to square up the chassis on axle stands before we finally fit
the GRP roof, which comes on a roll 2550mm wide and cut to your
length, 1.3mm thick.

Skylight on the single-sided roof sticks:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis72.jpg
Outside on offside
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis73.jpg
Outside on nearside
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis74.jpg
Single and double sided roof sticks
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis75.jpg
View from ist floor of the house
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis76.jpg

Peter




-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun May  8 15:46:27 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:46:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
	<e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <32B86048-E6F1-480E-B9AB-8A5903FF69BB@ncable.com.au>

I thought you already had one like that Arnie


On 09/05/2011, at 12:10 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Lovely engine though...
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
>> from the UK this summer. See:
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun May  8 16:49:01 2011
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
Message-ID: <424ae.19a0c4bd.3af885ed@aol.com>

That engine need to be on the way to the states and  put in the new 
building at Coolspring Power Museum. 
 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 5/8/2011 6:52:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

I  thought you already had one like that Arnie


On 09/05/2011, at 12:10  AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> 
>  Lovely engine though...
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave  Rotigel wrote:
>> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie  is bringing back
>> from the UK this summer. See:
>>  http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
>  
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 04:51:40 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:51:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 04:53:30 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:53:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <1539371038.385091304942010089.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Arnie how much space does this new girl take????  Do I need to make more space for you at Baraboo?
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: slick at toltbbs.com
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 9:10:09 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Lovely engine though...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
> from the UK this summer. See:
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon May  9 04:54:28 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 05:54:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 1914 Galloway 6hp "Transition" engine
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds99667B899BE83566E02CDBB840@phx.gbl>

G'day all;


   Many THANKS to friend and fellow ATIS'r Frank Gremaux for thinking of me 
when he rescued this 1914 6hp Galloway "Transition" engine. It's a fine 
example of old style and new style parts. Now comes the task of figuring out 
which mag went on the proprietary shelf bracket. I don't think it was an 
Auto-Sparker, but what do I know?

Old Style  Hopper, cylinder/main casting

New Style  Rounded Head, Friction Clutch Pulley, Flywheels and Governor 
flyweights(2)

It's mounted on a partial mid-sized Galloway cart now but should fit nicely 
on my new style Gal truck with sawing attachment.

Pictures at;


http://good-times.webshots.com/album/580140090BOVXVU

Life is good and will post more pictures later after it's mounted on the 
sawing outfit.

Regards
RickinMt. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon May  9 05:06:38 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:06:38 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>

Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work.  It is apparent a  lot of 
thought/planning/design has gone into it.
 
I hope it will not turn out like a friend years ago who did a lot of pre  
engineering into the purchase of a large camping trailer.  He had a Rambler  
with 4 speed manual transmission.  Finally one day said the car would  
handle the trailer ok.  Since the Rambler had a unitized body rather than a  
major frame underneath, he fabricated a trailer hitch for it that started with  
large floor plates ahead of the front seat.  From there he worked it back  
to the rear bumper attaching it where he could.  He would go to the trailer  
lot and hitch it up for test runs until he was satisfied with the handling,  
etc. Finally one day he brought the trailer home, backed it into his  
driveway which was slightly down hill.  Not satisfied with where he  initially 
came to rest, he tried to pull it up the driveway hill and the  car would not 
move it, burning the clutch.  He apparently made some mistake  in his 
calculations and ended up purchasing a big Mercrusier to haul it.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 05:17:07 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:17:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>

Curt,
	I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Orings

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 05:30:35 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:30:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C63FBD53D974ACD983F2B49E62AE83F@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and torque".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:07 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update

Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work.  It is apparent a  lot of 
thought/planning/design has gone into it.
 
I hope it will not turn out like a friend years ago who did a lot of pre

engineering into the purchase of a large camping trailer.  He had a
Rambler  
with 4 speed manual transmission.  Finally one day said the car would  
handle the trailer ok.  Since the Rambler had a unitized body rather
than a  
major frame underneath, he fabricated a trailer hitch for it that
started with  
large floor plates ahead of the front seat.  From there he worked it
back  
to the rear bumper attaching it where he could.  He would go to the
trailer  
lot and hitch it up for test runs until he was satisfied with the
handling,  
etc. Finally one day he brought the trailer home, backed it into his  
driveway which was slightly down hill.  Not satisfied with where he
initially 
came to rest, he tried to pull it up the driveway hill and the  car
would not 
move it, burning the clutch.  He apparently made some mistake  in his 
calculations and ended up purchasing a big Mercrusier to haul it.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon May  9 06:18:08 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:18:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <33f8.69cf88dc.3af94390@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and  torque".



I think he did a lot on that end, but maybe forgot to calculate friction  
factor of the clutch plate.  Forgot to say he was an Engineer and one of  
those that wanted to make sure you knew how smart he was.  He got a lot of  
flack over that mistake in the office he worked in for Tennessee Valley  
Authority.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 06:42:38 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:42:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <33f8.69cf88dc.3af94390@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E9702D6A5414423995A2EFE776E2B16@laruecounty.courthouse>

And Tom he may have calculated correctly but due to age and possible
repairs over the years the specs on the clutch were not what they were
originally.  Springs lose tension, clutch pressure lessens and the plate
itself will glaze over and not provide the friction necessary to hold.
It may not be totally his miscalculation. (spoken by another with an
Engineering Degree...and a couple others too - some that do me no good!)

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 9:18 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update

 
In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and  torque".



I think he did a lot on that end, but maybe forgot to calculate friction

factor of the clutch plate.  Forgot to say he was an Engineer and one of

those that wanted to make sure you knew how smart he was.  He got a lot
of  
flack over that mistake in the office he worked in for Tennessee Valley

Authority.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
_______________________________________________
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Mon May  9 09:47:32 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:47:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <37EE7298FE7041F28D304D8FFD736172@computer>

Tommy many years ago i worked for a bit in a strip mine. The equipment there 
was about all Cat. There were o rings in the transmission of them that was 
coded by color, that took a lot of heat i would say 900 And above.
For what it is worth.
R Fink
PA




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon May  9 09:47:26 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:47:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
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On 9 May 2011 13:06,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work. ?It is apparent a ?lot of
> thought/planning/design has gone into it.
>

Tom:

The Land Rover Discovery we have is rated at 3500lb trailer weight,
and has handled the Ruston engine on our existing trailer to Nuenen
last year, we will have added about 3/4 of a tonne to that total
weight with the new trailer. We have never used low range in the
transfer box, the car handles the weight well in high range. It's a 4
litre (240cu in) V8.

Peter
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From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Mon May  9 11:02:00 2011
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don Fleming)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:02:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
	<37EE7298FE7041F28D304D8FFD736172@computer>
Message-ID: <000a01cc0e73$33aceae0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>

Tommy
A friend and I have been using o rings in hit and miss model engines with 
very good results. I have also heard of these high temperature o rings for 
Cats.  I have also been told not to touch used rings that have been used for 
this purpose as they will do very nasty things to your skin.  This may be 
true or complete BS.  Maybe someone on the list has better information or 
the supplier should be able to tell you.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <rfinksr at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Tommy many years ago i worked for a bit in a strip mine. The equipment 
> there
> was about all Cat. There were o rings in the transmission of them that was
> coded by color, that took a lot of heat i would say 900 And above.
> For what it is worth.
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 15:23:12 2011
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Orings
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Message-ID: <9AE9E8E38ED24032B527DB155B9308DC@Buffystoy>

Hi Curt... Several years ago I had a model engine that was named Irving. 
When I would run the engine it would bark at out the back of the piston 
which needless to say was not what I wanted to hear. So I took the piston 
out and measure the bore and piston well the piston was round but the bore 
was .003 out of round. I didn't want to bore and sleeve that small of engine 
so I asked my Dad what can I do to fix this problem. He thought about it for 
a day or two and called me. He asked if I had any O rings, I said I bought 
one of the packages Harbor Freight sells so he said to clean and dry the 
piston real good and then find an OF ring that would fit tight in the ring 
groove. The little engine doesn't get very hot so that should work. After 
putting the engine back together I found out the OF ring was to tight in the 
bore so I took the piston out and chucked it up in my lathe. Luckily the O 
ring was tight enough that it wouldn't turn on the piston and ran the lathe 
at high speed. With real fine emery cloth I worked the O ring down till it 
was just about .007 bigger than the piston. Put it together, started up and 
it runs like it should. I burn white gas and use a little extra oil on the 
piston.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; ","SEL Lists" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: [SEL] Orings


> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had 
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings 
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great 
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and found 
> that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs smoother.  Was 
> wondering if any one else on either list have tried this idea.  Looking 
> forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon May  9 16:24:50 2011
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:24:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you. Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material called ethylene propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 19:34:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:34:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>

Joe,  I've seen some of the swelled O Rings in the past.  I remember
accidentally dropping one once in can of lacquer thinner.  It took me a
couple of minutes to fish it out and it had swelled considerably in that
short period of time.  After a couple of hours it had swelled a LOT even
though it wasn't still in the thinner.  The thinner must have penetrated
the material in some way.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
avanti_64 at juno.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:25 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell
mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list
remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well
nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another
subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you.
Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring
kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This
material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is
called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the
groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if
you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and
heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad
ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic
cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material
called ethyle!  ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the
material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue May 10 04:58:51 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:58:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <726058036.604871305028731851.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Tommy,
Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
Curt




----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt,
	I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Orings

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue May 10 05:28:49 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 07:28:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1052297004.608821305030529289.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Joe,
Where can I get the two type Orings you mentioned?
Thank you,
Curt Andree



----- Original Message -----
From: "avanti 64" <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 6:24:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you. Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material called ethyle!
 ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue May 10 07:33:23 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:33:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <726058036.604871305028731851.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <D6E5E0BD56164C419DF4441013D4BA92@packard971eb80>

I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph line.
The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At 
my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove of 
the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that has 
some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! I 
show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring. 
This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Hey Tommy,
> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 
> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer 
> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not 
> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
> Curt
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue May 10 18:08:55 2011
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 01:08:55 GMT
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Orings?=
Message-ID: <20110510.210855.22014.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

Buna N orings come in commercial grade oring assortment kits. These should be available to you at any Industrial Supplier or a Gasket/Packing supply house in your area. They may have the viton material also. Orings are sized by ID and Cross Section (thickness). Charts should be available on the Internet. Viton is more money, determine the size you need and order the quantity you need. All orings are black and round. You can't tell the difference between the material. When I worked in the business the spare EP orings were always in a seperate plastic bag and clearly marked with a label. Viton was the standard in all the mechanical seals and was installed when produced unless otherwise specified by the customer.
Joe

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From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 10 18:24:03 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:24:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <023639A5-209D-4100-A120-2B1D054E393D@me.com>

Hi Tommy, I believe that I've had similar problems after ingesting a small blue pill!
	Dave

On May 9, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Joe,  I've seen some of the swelled O Rings in the past.  I remember
> accidentally dropping one once in can of lacquer thinner.  It took me a
> couple of minutes to fish it out and it had swelled considerably in that
> short period of time.  After a couple of hours it had swelled a LOT even
> though it wasn't still in the thinner.  The thinner must have penetrated
> the material in some way.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> avanti_64 at juno.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
> 
> 
> O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell
> mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list
> remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well
> nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another
> subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you.
> Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring
> kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This
> material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is
> called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the
> groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if
> you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and
> heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad
> ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic
> cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material
> called ethyle!  ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the
> material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed May 11 03:32:31 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:32:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110510.210855.22014.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <899437834.793191305109951465.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks for your help Joe,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
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To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:08:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Orings

Buna N orings come in commercial grade oring assortment kits. These should be available to you at any Industrial Supplier or a Gasket/Packing supply house in your area. They may have the viton material also. Orings are sized by ID and Cross Section (thickness). Charts should be available on the Internet. Viton is more money, determine the size you need and order the quantity you need. All orings are black and round. You can't tell the difference between the material. When I worked in the business the spare EP orings were always in a seperate plastic bag and clearly marked with a label. Viton was the standard in all the mechanical seals and was installed when produced unless otherwise specified by the customer.
Joe

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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed May 11 03:36:35 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:36:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <D6E5E0BD56164C419DF4441013D4BA92@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <1163046716.793331305110195887.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Harry,
How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
thanks,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph line.
The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At 
my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove of 
the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that has 
some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! I 
show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring. 
This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Hey Tommy,
> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 
> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer 
> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not 
> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
> Curt
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Wed May 11 11:17:18 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:17:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <1163046716.793331305110195887.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4B0E56612E55499D9429FCCAC86BC297@packard971eb80>

Curt,
I think I run it about 3 days a year (20 hours) a year.
I use the cheap rings from about $3.00 each.
I have to add that this engine runs very light (no drag) and stays very cool 
and it coasts for a long time.
IMO it's worth a try on any engine with blowby.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Harry,
> How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
> thanks,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph 
> line.
> The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At
> my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove 
> of
> the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that 
> has
> some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! 
> I
> show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring.
> This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.
>
> Harry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Hey Tommy,
>> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until
>> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer
>> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still 
>> not
>> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed May 11 15:08:21 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:08:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
Message-ID: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Our local club, WAPA, had a show at Cal. Poly Pomona. Great weather,
crowd and club participation.  Pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2011#
Other clubs brought in tractors, and Don Hunter made an appearance with
Holt 111 Steamer.  I actually got to drive it a lap around the field.  I
am still grinning.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com  Wed May 11 15:20:50 2011
From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:20:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <BAY153-w271E2B8DF22E8EC255CA35D5860@phx.gbl>


This link might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they offer about 8 different materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


Devin H


 		 	   		  

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu May 12 04:34:19 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:34:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <4B0E56612E55499D9429FCCAC86BC297@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <808466467.995671305200059204.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi Harry,
Thanks for the imput. Got one H&M engine with blowby and may just give it try soon as I can measure sizes I need.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:17:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt,
I think I run it about 3 days a year (20 hours) a year.
I use the cheap rings from about $3.00 each.
I have to add that this engine runs very light (no drag) and stays very cool 
and it coasts for a long time.
IMO it's worth a try on any engine with blowby.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Harry,
> How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
> thanks,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph 
> line.
> The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At
> my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove 
> of
> the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that 
> has
> some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! 
> I
> show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring.
> This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.
>
> Harry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Hey Tommy,
>> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until
>> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer
>> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still 
>> not
>> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu May 12 04:59:04 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:59:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w271E2B8DF22E8EC255CA35D5860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <487027147.1000941305201544405.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they offer about 8 different materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From MBellar at aol.com  Thu May 12 08:12:13 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:12:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o  ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply bulk o ring  material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8  different  materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu May 12 08:14:46 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:14:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110512171157.021d98b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi all,
           No need to reply to this - The SEL list has been rejecting my
   posts for the last few months (hell, it's lousy feeling "not wanted')
   but Spencer thinks he hay have solved the problem so this is just a
   test to see if this one gets through.
   keep well,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu May 12 12:20:46 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:20:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
In-Reply-To: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>

Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)

So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt roads and concrete sidewalks?

Mike

On May 11, 2011, at 6:08 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Our local club, WAPA, had a show at Cal. Poly Pomona. Great weather,
> crowd and club participation.  Pictures at:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2011#
> Other clubs brought in tractors, and Don Hunter made an appearance with
> Holt 111 Steamer.  I actually got to drive it a lap around the field.  I
> am still grinning.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu May 12 13:39:51 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:39:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
Message-ID: <20110512.134005.974.527123@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Mike.

None of our engines drip or leave spots <VBG>.  No one complains, nice
people to deal with.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Thu, 12 May 2011 15:20:46 -0400 Michael Tucker
<oldironnut at windstream.net> writes:
> Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post 
> their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)
> 
> So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt 
> roads and concrete sidewalks?
> 
> Mike
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu May 12 18:44:51 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 02:44:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikHm9EV9k6U5_yNck5ExtpJ-9L0Zg@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Been a while....

With the ferry to Holland booked for the 10th June, we are
accelerating the work on the trailer this week, and I'm spending
half-days on it during the week.

Carried on from yesterday, spent a few hours at the factory then left
Rita and the boys to look after things while I came back home. I'm on
mobile 24/7 so anyone can get hold of me, and it's only two streets
away if they need me there.

First job was to put the n/side vertical door panel in place and glued
in, that took a while as I couldn't get the closeness of cut I wanted
with the circular saw, so resorted to the grinder with cutting disc.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis87.jpg

Then I started on fitting the floor outriggers. and quite fortuitously
the offcuts from the main honeycomb floor boards were exactly the
right size, so just needed the length to be trimmed. Serendipity or
what? :-))

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis86.jpg

The new nylon winch rope roller was made up this morning as well, we
bought a standard keel roller from Indespension, but the rubber roller
was too soft and wouldn't roll with a load on, so we made a new roller
out of Nylon and a new pin from brass. The pin was 7/16" diameter, but
we found an ebay supplier with some lengths so that was sorted.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis88.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis91.jpg

The outrigger boards went down OK, the pictured side has three offcuts
used as we had them available, and that is underneath the
toilet/shower so won't be seen.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis89.jpg

Lots of threatening clouds and a couple of showers, so had to work
under a tarp for most of the day.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis90.jpg

Hope to get the roof on over the weekend, will be doing the wheelboxes
tomorrow. The honeycomb material will be used for these and the
divider/wall between the engine section and the living quarters. Great
stuff, strong and
light, but the dust and shavings are a problem, you need to wear
gloves and breathing mask when sawing.

The drawbar ramp is being designed in my head while this is going on,
we are using floor plank extrusion bolted to two 6" X 3? X 1/2"
channels. It's going to be fairly light and very strong, we may get a
small cheapo winch to pull it up after use, 2000lb winches are just
over $US 100.

Other jobs in the pipeline are the roof drip rails, marker and rear
lights, a spare ball hitch on the front panel to park the drawbar on
to when the trailer is stopped etc.

The drawbar has gone back to the fabricators to correct a bit of
welding distortion. It wasn't too bad before the chassis was painted,
but since it went through the oven a couple of times it has got worse.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri May 13 03:28:17 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110512171157.021d98b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1140565158.1178401305282497559.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
Your coming through loud and clear in Northern Illinois.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:14:46 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Just a test

   Hi all,
           No need to reply to this - The SEL list has been rejecting my
   posts for the last few months (hell, it's lousy feeling "not wanted')
   but Spencer thinks he hay have solved the problem so this is just a
   test to see if this one gets through.
   keep well,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri May 13 03:30:38 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:30:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o  ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply bulk o ring  material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8  different  materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 06:20:03 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:20:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <704644.15219.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Look here and choose your own.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-ring-splicing-kits/=cabics
?
Alan

--- On Fri, 5/13/11, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:30 AM


Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on? my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I? have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing? 
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o? ring 
kit? from McMaster Carr .? They supply bulk o ring? material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length? and stick? the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that? is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that? by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to? fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal? in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years? on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks? for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin? Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM? GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link? might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8? different? materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri May 13 06:50:58 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:50:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mb s11>
References: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>
	<1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <20110513135056.0D7639530@smtp.wcoil.com>

At the local Industrial bearing supply and seal distributor (Kaman) 
if I give them the actual bore measurements and the dimensions of the 
ring groove they will make a recommendation on the o ring size. They 
can pick from SAE and Metric sizes to get to the closest proper size.     Mark





Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From levans44 at roadrunner.com  Fri May 13 08:32:35 2011
From: levans44 at roadrunner.com (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:32:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
In-Reply-To: <BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>
References: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
	<BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <4DCD4F13.30704@roadrunner.com>



On 5/12/2011 12:20 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)
>
> So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt roads and concrete sidewalks?
>
> Mike
>    
Mike,

See: http://wapaus.rustyiron.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=50

for pictures of another WAPA show this year.  This was a nine day event 
from April 16 to April 24 at the Knott's Berry Farm theme park.  These 
folks definitely did not want a bunch of oil and grease spots on there 
pavement - notice all the drip pans.

-- 
Larry Evans
MailTo:LEVANS44 at roadrunner.com
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri May 13 10:08:40 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:08:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1305302401.15219.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110513184804.019a6e48@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 13/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 4
     Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
     From: cgandree at mchsi.com
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Just a test
     Jerry,
     Your coming through loud and clear in Northern Illinois.
     Curt

   Thanks Curt,
           When I got the post back instead of an error message I was most
   relieved. I was beginning to have that "not wanted" feeling :-) . It's
   good to be back.
           Now if I could just shake this darn "change of season" cold all
   would be hanky dory in my life. I'm fighting it with hot toddy's made
   from Lemon medication, about 4 aspirins , an Actifed tablet and a good
   glug (or 4) of brandy but it's fighting back valiantly. Tonight I'll
   try more Brandy - that should do the trick :-).
           For those of you who get "Stationary Engine Magazine", watch
   for the August edition (out early July to subscribers). The Lord alone
   knows why but they have decided to "profile" me in it. I suggested one
   of my more experienced friends but they said "No, we want you!",
           I take it as an honour, as it is also an honour belonging to
   these lists and being able to call so many of you "my friend".
           Keep well all of you,
   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From MBellar at aol.com  Fri May 13 11:12:10 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <2fc92.4a48c2c3.3afece7a@aol.com>

Curt;
I purchased the fractional O-ring cord splicing kit McMaster Carr #  
9694K21 with Buna-N . They also have Viton and silicone options. I plan to  be at 
Portland next week. You are welcome to make a few with the kit. All you  
will need is a fresh tube of super glue. The kit came with a nice selection of  
Buna-N cord that I will never use up.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 5/13/2011 6:42:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you  ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original  Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years  ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller  engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  
have  
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty  replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do  it yourself" o  
ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply  bulk o ring  material of several 
OD's 
and all you need to do is cut  the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue  using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot 
of 
trial and error  I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I 
could 
get the  ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to 
get  
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine  for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine  sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com  writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original  Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland"  <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:   sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50  PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL]  Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton  o rings but they 
offer about 8  different   materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May 13 13:07:33 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 21:07:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinq86hFhZ9wr9v+cOTpBYPd-kCDVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikHm9EV9k6U5_yNck5ExtpJ-9L0Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHCELKCGAA.edurand@fairpoint.net>
	<BANLkTinq86hFhZ9wr9v+cOTpBYPd-kCDVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinqc0sFy+pTN2=JvOuzGcDbpeZGKg@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 May 2011 21:06, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis92.jpg
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis93.jpg
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis93.jpg

That last url should be:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis94.jpg

Sorry!

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 14 03:49:53 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:49:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <2fc92.4a48c2c3.3afece7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1300844961.1350991305370193706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Tom,
Thanks for the very kind offer, however will not be attending Portland this year.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt;
I purchased the fractional O-ring cord splicing kit McMaster Carr #  
9694K21 with Buna-N . They also have Viton and silicone options. I plan to  be at 
Portland next week. You are welcome to make a few with the kit. All you  
will need is a fresh tube of super glue. The kit came with a nice selection of  
Buna-N cord that I will never use up.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 5/13/2011 6:42:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you  ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original  Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years  ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller  engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  
have  
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty  replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do  it yourself" o  
ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply  bulk o ring  material of several 
OD's 
and all you need to do is cut  the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue  using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot 
of 
trial and error  I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I 
could 
get the  ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to 
get  
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine  for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine  sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com  writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original  Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland"  <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:   sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50  PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL]  Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton  o rings but they 
offer about 8  different   materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 14 03:58:55 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:58:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <704644.15219.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1685216660.1351141305370735416.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Alan,
Thanks for the info page, will order the kit soon.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:20:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Look here and choose your own.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-ring-splicing-kits/=cabics
?
Alan

--- On Fri, 5/13/11, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:30 AM


Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on? my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I? have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing? 
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o? ring 
kit? from McMaster Carr .? They supply bulk o ring? material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length? and stick? the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that? is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that? by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to? fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal? in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years? on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks? for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin? Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM? GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link? might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8? different? materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat May 14 08:42:22 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:42:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi all,
           There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
   consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
   litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
           I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
   suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
   gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
           I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
   a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
   high efficiency engines.
   Thanks,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat May 14 16:29:52 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:29:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <COL106-W61C28B167592043F18C34CB48B0@phx.gbl>




 Jerry;
 Detroit Diesel engines the rule is .46 Lbs. per HP HR, just saying.
 
                  Best Regards
             
           Franklin S. Skinner 
      Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870  Cell 910-612-7470





 
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:42:22 +0200
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
> 
> Hi all,
> There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
> consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
> litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
> I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
> suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
> gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
> I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
> a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
> high efficiency engines.
> Thanks,
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Sat May 14 21:10:01 2011
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1305432601.2798.2.camel@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

For gasoline we use:
	1 gal/hour for each 10 HP

For diesel we use:
	1 gal/hour for each 20 HP

Pete.


On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 17:42 +0200, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi all,
>            There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
>    consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
>    litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
>            I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
>    suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
>    gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
>            I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
>    a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
>    high efficiency engines.
>    Thanks,
> 
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>    Jerry Evans
>    Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>    Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>    <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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Lafayette, Louisiana USA





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun May 15 05:19:04 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 22:19:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
Message-ID: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun May 15 05:53:14 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
Message-ID: <6d92d.c146c66.3b0126ba@aol.com>

Pa trick,
Thanks you for photographing and posting these great engine  pictures.  I 
enjoyed viewing them.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

 
 
In a message dated 5/15/2011 5:33:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

Some  pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It   
was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with  steam.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun May 15 06:00:22 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:00:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a525e3d9e9fe32eb69da5622e4abcbe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

EXCELLENT!!  So Samuel's taken a fancy to hot fog 'eh?
Whatever it takes to get 'em hooked.
I do have one observation...  No black spots on his white outfit.
Was that Ann's controlling influence?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, May 15, 2011 8:19 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun May 15 10:08:28 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:08:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 86, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1305475202.10271.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110515190420.01f4d3d0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 15/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 3
     Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:01 -0500
     From: Pete Alleman <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
     For gasoline we use:
             1 gal/hour for each 10 HP
     For diesel we use:
             1 gal/hour for each 20 HP
     Pete.

   Thanks Pete,
           That was the "simple" one I was looking for.
           Thanks also to all others for their answers.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun May 15 12:25:49 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
Just one thing bugged me a bit.
Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run at shows.
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM


Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue May 17 16:38:32 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:38:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wood County Heritage Days
In-Reply-To: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4165C95D549648D28E0366A24EF41F9B@Eagle>

 
	The Wood County Historical Society www.woodcountyhistory.org and the
Power of Yesteryear www.powerofyesteryear.org will hold our annual farm and
power show June 11 and 12 at the Wood County Museum just southeast of the
intersection of I-75 and US-6 near Bowling Green, Ohio. Complete information
can be found at the websites referenced above. We feature a steam powered
oil drilling display and an operating S.M. Jones powered pumping power with
wooden horizontal band wheel. Many farm related activities and
demonstrations will also be presented. A chicken & pork chop barbeque will
be on Sunday. I will be in the blacksmith shop and hope to see some SEL
members there.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed May 18 04:28:49 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:28:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <6a525e3d9e9fe32eb69da5622e4abcbe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C9F9EA91.7FC6%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Samuel did end up with a few black spots on his face so he has had his
'baptism'.
Patrick


On 15/5/11 11:00 PM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> EXCELLENT!!  So Samuel's taken a fancy to hot fog 'eh?
> Whatever it takes to get 'em hooked.
> I do have one observation...  No black spots on his white outfit.
> Was that Ann's controlling influence?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 8:19 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
>> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed May 18 04:30:34 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:30:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C9F9EAFA.7FC7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

We just run the special 'no end' belts which saves driving anything.
Actually I was a bit rushed so did not take as many pics as I normally do.
When it comes down to a choice between a picture of an engine and one of a
water pump the engine wins.
Patrick


On 16/5/11 5:25 AM, "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
> Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
> Just one thing bugged me a bit.
> Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is
> on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run
> at shows.
> ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
> ?
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
> 
> 
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 05:33:28 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F9EAFA.7FC7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <975444.19021.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I leave an engine home if it doesn't have something to run.
Did you check out that YouTube link?
With that display I get lots of folks thanking me for my display.
I did that video in the evening after the show was done for the day.
During the show hours it is usually mobbed.
Just a plain old Hercules engine gets all that attention because it is running that great old sheller.
An engine with something to run is a better display.
Make it something that the folks can play with and it will be a very attractive display.
?
Alan

--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 7:30 AM


We just run the special 'no end' belts which saves driving anything.
Actually I was a bit rushed so did not take as many pics as I normally do.
When it comes down to a choice between a picture of an engine and one of a
water pump the engine wins.
Patrick


On 16/5/11 5:25 AM, "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
> Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
> Just one thing bugged me a bit.
> Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is
> on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run
> at shows.
> ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
> ?
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
> 
> 
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed May 18 12:15:28 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:15:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

Work continues, in the dry now that we have a roof over our heads!

Starting some of the living section interior today, here's a shot of
the beds/seats after we laid the floor covering down:

[img]http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg[/img]

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed May 18 12:16:32 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:16:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 May 2011 20:15, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Work continues, in the dry now that we have a roof over our heads!
>
> Starting some of the living section interior today, here's a shot of
> the beds/seats after we laid the floor covering down:
>
> [img]http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg[/img]

Sorry, taken of the [img] tags:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue May 24 16:50:36 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:50:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>

 
	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo
Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but
otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored
inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, Ohio. We
have checked with other museums and there is no interest there. Is anyone
here interested in this truck?

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue May 24 20:15:27 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:15:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Not too good news]
Message-ID: <c6341ddf774216cf8c9542342ee3f408.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Poor Jerry's got troubles posting to the list again.  Spenser's "fix" didn't hold.

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: Not too good news
From:    "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Date:    Tue, May 24, 2011 12:58 pm
To:      "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi to all my friends on the lists,

	Most of you do not know that apart from my daughter Jacqui, I have another
lady in my life as well. Her name is Stephanie and we've been friends for
almost 20 years. If you look at the pics lower down on this page you will
see 2 pics  of her with Reg:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reg/index.htm>

	She was involved in a pretty bad motor accident early last Friday and is
in hospital in Durban (about 600 Kms away). Firstly, do not be concerned,
she is "out of danger" and awaiting operations in hospital. She has a
broken leg, broken foot, broken ankle (both legs are affected but I'm not
sure which injuries are on which side - does that make sense?), multiple
broken ribs, quite bad facial lacerations and pretty much her whole body is
bruised, cut and sore. The paramedics had to use the "Jaws of Life" to get
her out of the vehicle. The docs  need to operate on the foot and ankle but
need the swelling to go down first so we do not know when the op will take
place (it may have been today but I'm still waiting for contact for today).
It's a government hospital and she cannot keep her cell phone with her so
my only contact is via another friend who visits a few times a day and has
Stephanie's cell phone with her. When she is there I can call her. The only
problem is that this friends mother is also in intensive care (totally
unrelated to the accident) and dying so I do not want to be too much of a
pest as she has problems of her own and is being totally fantastic under
the circumstances.
	For those of you on Facebook (Dave, it's a site on the net :-)) there is
quite a bit of info on Colleen Venter's page (The friend I mention). It's
here - look on her wall - There are also pictures of Stephanie's wrecked
vehicle  :
<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=655352104&sk=wall>

	I AM in contact (but not there) but, this has been discussed and I am of
more use to her right here at the moment. I'm on standby should I need to
go to Durban.

	O.K. Here's the reason for this mail. Stephanie knows that I have many
friends on these 2 lists -  would any of you mind sending a short e-mail
message wishing her well to me. My brother is passing through Durban on
Thursday so I'd like to ask him to print them out and give her a bunch of
"get well soon" wishes from all over the world.

	OldEngine list guys just send normally. SEL list members, I only get the
"Digest Version" in 24 hours time and that will be too late to get to my
Bro to print out so it will be better to send direct to me "off list" at
the address on this post.

	One more request to those of us who say our prayers - please add Stephanie
to yours. Thanks guys and gals - that's all for tonight.

Love you all!
Jerry








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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Tue May 24 20:31:56 2011
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:31:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
Message-ID: <4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>

Bob Willman wrote:
>  
> 	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo
> Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but
> otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored
> inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, Ohio. We
> have checked with other museums and there is no interest there. Is anyone
> here interested in this truck?
> 
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> 
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> 
> Thomas Jefferson
> 

Bob,
  Let me talk to a few restorers I know. I'm sure that there is a 
department out there that would love to get it, restore it and use it 
for parades and such. I know I would love to have it for us but I am 
already working on one rig and have a second waiting....
-- 
Steve W.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed May 25 05:45:33 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:45:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Not too good news
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110525144446.01f61228@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi Guys,
           Thank You - Thank You and Thank you again !!
           My Inbox is full of wonderful notes from you guys. I've always
   said "You engine guys (and gals) are the best and you've just proved it
   again.
           I have such a lump in my throat from reading your messages that
   it is just as well that I'm writing this - I think that if I had to be
   speaking it you would not be able to understand what I'm saying (and
   that's NOT because of my accent!).
           Thanks again.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed May 25 12:58:03 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:58:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com><F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
	<4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <18154ED87DB2425B8387BB36AF7AB223@Eagle>


	Thanks Steve. I have received several queries so far. I have some
photos if you want them. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck

Bob Willman wrote:
>  
> 	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo 
> Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but 
> otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored 
> inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, 
> Ohio. We have checked with other museums and there is no interest 
> there. Is anyone here interested in this truck?
> 
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> 
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> 
> Thomas Jefferson
> 

Bob,
  Let me talk to a few restorers I know. I'm sure that there is a department
out there that would love to get it, restore it and use it for parades and
such. I know I would love to have it for us but I am already working on one
rig and have a second waiting....
--
Steve W.

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri May 27 13:52:54 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:52:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Update on Stephanie
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110527225101.01a24408@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           I've already said "Thank you" for all the great messages I
   received but then more arrived. So thank you again. There were too many
   to reply to personally so please everyone accept my heartfelt thanks to
   you all by means of the lists.
           Stephanie is still in hospital and is likely to be there for
   quite a while (I do not know how long that means).
           My brother dropped off a printout of all your mails to her
   yesterday. I spoke to her today and she really appreciated all the good
   wishes and said that she would reply to them all as soon as she could.
   I told her not to reply to each one personally - a simple letter to the
   lists would do just as well.
   UPDATE ON HER CONDITION:
           She had CT Scans done on Wednesday and the Docs reported back
   yesterday. They have to do a few "ops" but (as I mentioned previously)
   have to wait for the swelling to subside. It may take another week
   before the docs can operate.
           She is a "Tough Cookie" with a very positive outlook on life
   and it is quite amazing how she is taking all  this. When I spoke to
   her today she was full of jokes but I did notice that she was in pain
   from the broken ribs each time she laughed  (or coughed).
           In the meantime she  has got her cellphone and computer  back
   and is now in contact with the rest of civilization (Is Facebook
   civilization ?).
           From me :- Thank you all my friends for the great messages you
   all sent - as I mentioned previously I cannot reply to each one
   personally but please understand that each and every message was read,
   forwarded and appreciated.
           That's all for now - thanks again everyone.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From eric at facspro.com  Sat May 28 10:37:39 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 12:37:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
Message-ID: <DE01C5E5F34D4587ACC2BF7FA9025E95@Office>

Just a couple questions from the newbie---

Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.

Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.


Thank you,

Eric Walter


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 28 11:17:39 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:17:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <DE01C5E5F34D4587ACC2BF7FA9025E95@Office>
Message-ID: <750652710.3621501306606658960.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Eric,
I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call me.
Curt Andree
<cgandree at aol.com> 
McConnell, Ill.
815-238-7316



----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions

Just a couple questions from the newbie---

Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.

Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.


Thank you,

Eric Walter
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From eric at facspro.com  Sat May 28 11:37:38 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:37:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
References: <750652710.3621501306606658960.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1376D3F94DB14FB6BCE6C0B6D1160204@Office>

Curt,
Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded from 
Deere.
I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact "hot" 
as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag gear. 
The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive about what I 
am seeing on the mag gear.


Thanks
Eric
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions


> Eric,
> I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing 
> and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you 
> get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call 
> me.
> Curt Andree
> <cgandree at aol.com>
> McConnell, Ill.
> 815-238-7316
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
>
> Just a couple questions from the newbie---
>
> Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the 
> kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
> I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.
>
> Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to 
> find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag 
> though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what 
> appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag 
> gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock 
> the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Walter
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 28 11:48:03 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:48:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <1376D3F94DB14FB6BCE6C0B6D1160204@Office>
Message-ID: <1561393338.3623441306608483253.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Eric,
Check you inbox for email, just sent you three more inst. pages.....
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:37:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions

Curt,
Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded from 
Deere.
I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact "hot" 
as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag gear. 
The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive about what I 
am seeing on the mag gear.


Thanks
Eric
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions


> Eric,
> I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing 
> and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you 
> get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call 
> me.
> Curt Andree
> <cgandree at aol.com>
> McConnell, Ill.
> 815-238-7316
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
>
> Just a couple questions from the newbie---
>
> Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the 
> kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
> I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.
>
> Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to 
> find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag 
> though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what 
> appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag 
> gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock 
> the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Walter
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat May 28 14:55:12 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 17:55:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Update on Stephanie
Message-ID: <69045.44c75f9f.3b12c940@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/27/2011 5:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

She is a "Tough Cookie" with a very positive outlook on  life
and it is quite amazing how she is taking all   this.


Jerry,
 
Glad to hear that she is getting better and will continue to do so.   Tell 
her to do any kind of exercise she can do while in the hospital bed, even  
if is just to grab the sides of the bed and squeeze hard, stretch the toes,  
etc.  Any exercise of the muscles will help her tremendously and keep from  
getting weak.  Been there and done that!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun May 29 09:14:29 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 18:14:29 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1306684801.13999.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 29/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 3
     Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:37:38 -0500
     From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
     Curt,
     Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded
     from
     Deere.
     I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact
     "hot"
     as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag
     gear.
     The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive
     about what I
     am seeing on the mag gear.

   Eric,
           Is it a Wico EK mag? If so go to Rob Skinners page - he built a
   nice "thingy" to test them with:
   <[1]http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html>

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html
   2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rotigel at me.com  Sun May 29 10:02:36 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 13:02:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>

Lord, how I miss that retarded kid who used to live next door!
	Dave

On May 29, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>
>   Eric,
>           Is it a Wico EK mag? If so go to Rob Skinners page - he  
> built a
>   nice "thingy" to test them with:
>   <[1]http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html>
>
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun May 29 11:53:42 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:53:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>
Message-ID: <1E55E7A9-244B-4463-A724-C565397CFA2C@rustyiron.com>

> On May 29, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> go to Rob Skinners page



On May 29, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Lord, how I miss that retarded kid who used to live next door!


First of all, I've never lived in Pencilveinya. 
Second of all, my IQ has tested well into the 90s.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun May 29 13:20:21 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:20:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
Message-ID: <1349.4e4cc29f.3b140485@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/29/2011 12:24:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Is it a Wico EK mag


Jerry,
 
It is a rotary mag for a John Deere model E engine.  See how  simple that 
explanation was Dave.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sun May 29 19:01:45 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:01:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Memorial Days in the USA
Message-ID: <2460AF75680046DA8F44CB453EE61A1A@Arthurhplaptop>

For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms, 
THANK YOU and R.I.P.

For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world", 
THANK YOU for your service.

For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:

Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we 
will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training 
here in Florida at the several air fields

operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British 
pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom. 
Please know graves are well cared for.

Thank you,


Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sun May 29 19:26:49 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:26:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Memorial Day USA
Message-ID: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>

For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms,
THANK YOU and R.I.P.

For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world",
THANK YOU for your service.

For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:

Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we
will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training
here in Florida at the several air fields

operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British
pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom.
Please know graves are well cared for.

Thank you,


Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com















Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun May 29 21:27:38 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 00:27:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Memorial Day USA
In-Reply-To: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
Message-ID: <7D1701DF-438C-4343-A9AB-83967DFFD6C0@scrtc.com>

Amen to your comments Arthur.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 Sent from my iPad

On May 29, 2011, at 10:26 PM, "Arthur&Deana Southwell" <asouth42 at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms,
> THANK YOU and R.I.P.
> 
> For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world",
> THANK YOU for your service.
> 
> For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:
> 
> Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we
> will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training
> here in Florida at the several air fields
> 
> operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British
> pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom.
> Please know graves are well cared for.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, FL 34266 USA
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, FL 34266 USA
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon May 30 20:18:48 2011
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 23:18:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)
In-Reply-To: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w29B691BB3D4DA7BE42CD97C27A0@phx.gbl>


Here is the video of the first start up of my 10 HP Heer opposed twin cylinder engine.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APT8A15Rx6E 		 	   		  

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 31 03:23:09 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:23:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
	<SNT131-w29B691BB3D4DA7BE42CD97C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A3F190C97D0C4793B445ACEB482A61C5@mikecomp>

Good job Tom!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)


>
> Here is the video of the first start up of my 10 HP Heer opposed twin 
> cylinder engine.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APT8A15Rx6E
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 31 10:59:16 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:59:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
Message-ID: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>

Hi Gang,
	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
	Dave



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue May 31 11:03:32 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:03:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I'll be there this year for my first time!

Looking forward to seeing people I haven't seen in many years and putting faces to some of the people I've been in contact with over the years.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show

Hi Gang,
	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
	Dave

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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue May 31 11:29:45 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:29:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>

How did the well log?

Any hope of running the Snow at design speed?

Dave Merchant


At 01:59 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>         I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show
>(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
>space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
>trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
>boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
>         Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and
>moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused
>area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS
>spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.
>Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at ncweb.com
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue May 31 11:49:36 2011
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:49:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <8064CDAB-A687-4E97-A9AB-4A684ABF0DE4@herculesengines.com>

Dave
We will be there about noon on Thursday.
Keith


On May 31, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 31 11:55:24 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:55:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <895CFF3B-3BB5-4C4B-805E-123792F81793@me.com>


On May 31, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> How did the well log?
There were no trees that needed to be cut down where they put in the  
well, thus there were no logs.
>
> Any hope of running the Snow at design speed?
I have no idea.
>
> Dave Merchant
Dave

>
>
> At 01:59 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi Gang,
>>        I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring  
>> Show
>> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
>> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
>> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
>> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
>>        Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the  
>> trees and
>> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any  
>> unused
>> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30  
>> LESS
>> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put  
>> in.
>> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
>>        Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at ncweb.com
> kosh at nesys.com
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue May 31 13:27:49 2011
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <4DE54F45.6000003@lbpinc.com>

Thanks Dave.   We will be coming down on Thursday with a car and 
trailer.  Please save us a spot if you can.

Frank

Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
>

-- 
HONOR GOD
SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 31 17:53:57 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:53:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <A974A740DC8C4DAFB3CF2F94F799581D@mikecomp>

The Royster boys and Bill Bird will be there probably arriving Wed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show


> Hi Gang,
> I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue May 31 23:04:28 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:04:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <C40A70E2-274B-4D15-8AD7-31682860BC00@ncable.com.au>

Gee how quick has this come around. Already 12 months since I had a nice feed of porter house steak and fresh corn compliments of Dave and co. I will be thinking of you guys having way to much fun. Coolspring is just something else.
Russell





On 01/06/2011, at 3:59 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 07:39:02 2011
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Radiator sizing question
Message-ID: <606612.16063.qm@web121509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I need to pick your brains if I could.
We are rapidly approaching the?time in our restoration of the powerhouse where we will need to build a radiator.? 
All we have are a room, piping sizes, 2 pumps, and a airplane propellor style fan.? Not much to work with.
We have 2 model 47 Fairbanks semi-diesel (or oil engines if you prefer), a 75hp single and a 150hp twin of 14x18 bore & stroke.? 
At the moment we plan on just operating under a light load but there is always the possibility of firing up the large alternators later on, so we need adequate cooling.? Our 55gal oil drum filled with water and a small pump just aren't going to cut the mustard in the long run, but has let us get the 75 up and running for short periods of time.
Anybody have any idea on what calculations we need, BTU's, GPM's, anything at all will be much appreciated.
We have finally been given permission to publish pictures and information on the powerhouse so if you wish to see them go to www.edenspringspark.com and poke 'power plant'.
Warning, this section was just started and does contain some errors and discrepencies, so please bear with us as we get things added and corrected.? Stop back often and see our progress.
Thanks in advance for any and all help, comments, jokes, questions, etc.
David

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed May  4 21:05:31 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:05:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
Message-ID: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>

These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
I just typed in the numbers.
Rob

Early Fordson w/crawler 7,500
1932 Allis Chalmers G 3,250
John Deere R 3,600
Late John Deere D (not very nice) 1,800
Cat 30 2,600
Cat 10 2,200
6 hp Schilling 155,000
20 hp late model Western, wrong carb 11,000
12 hp Hercules 4,000
12 Witte 2,100
20 hp shotgun Fairbanks 3,100
15 hp shotgun Fairbanks 2,600
3 hp late model Samson 6,700
5 hp Sattley 750
8 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 2,500
5 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 1,000
3 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 900
6 hp John Deere, ignitor 3,500
3 hp John Deere 850
1 1/2 hp John Deere 700
5 hp Rock Island, on skid 950
5 hp Massey Harris Type 2 5,000
3 hp Delaval 1,600
1941 FM Style C 800
Vertical Bovaird & Seyfang 4 hp, hot tube 1,000
1928 Fairbanks Morse Z Type C 800
3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 600
Fairbanks Morse Style C 400
3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 700
Fairbanks Morse Eclipse 1,000
Economy 950
Demster 1,000
4 hp Witte 800
1 1/2 hp Dishpan Fairbanks 500
Nelson Jumbo	600
International LB parts engine 50
3 hp International M 500
27" Boston Forge Blower, beautiful condition 650
1918 Best 25 107,000
Samson Sievegrip (GM) 15,000
Cletrac 8,500
20-30 Rumely (in parts) 10,250







From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu May  5 03:32:03 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 06:32:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>

Thanks Rob
Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
R Fink


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "WAPA-Members" <WAPA-Members at rustyiron.com>; "Stationary-Engine ATIS" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results


> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks 
> ago in Ceres.
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob
>
> Early Fordson w/crawler 7,500
> 1932 Allis Chalmers G 3,250
> John Deere R 3,600
> Late John Deere D (not very nice) 1,800
> Cat 30 2,600
> Cat 10 2,200
> 6 hp Schilling 155,000
> 20 hp late model Western, wrong carb 11,000
> 12 hp Hercules 4,000
> 12 Witte 2,100
> 20 hp shotgun Fairbanks 3,100
> 15 hp shotgun Fairbanks 2,600
> 3 hp late model Samson 6,700
> 5 hp Sattley 750
> 8 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 2,500
> 5 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 1,000
> 3 hp Monitor, horizontal, one pushrod 900
> 6 hp John Deere, ignitor 3,500
> 3 hp John Deere 850
> 1 1/2 hp John Deere 700
> 5 hp Rock Island, on skid 950
> 5 hp Massey Harris Type 2 5,000
> 3 hp Delaval 1,600
> 1941 FM Style C 800
> Vertical Bovaird & Seyfang 4 hp, hot tube 1,000
> 1928 Fairbanks Morse Z Type C 800
> 3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 600
> Fairbanks Morse Style C 400
> 3 hp Fairbanks Morse Z 700
> Fairbanks Morse Eclipse 1,000
> Economy 950
> Demster 1,000
> 4 hp Witte 800
> 1 1/2 hp Dishpan Fairbanks 500
> Nelson Jumbo 600
> International LB parts engine 50
> 3 hp International M 500
> 27" Boston Forge Blower, beautiful condition 650
> 1918 Best 25 107,000
> Samson Sievegrip (GM) 15,000
> Cletrac 8,500
> 20-30 Rumely (in parts) 10,250
>
>
>
>
>
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu May  5 05:32:42 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:32:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu May  5 06:20:57 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 06:20:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
Message-ID: <FAB2DFFC-FBE1-4987-97A7-656BA329559E@rustyiron.com>


On May 5, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

> Thanks Rob
> Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
> R Fink

Ahdunno, Richard. 
Perhaps you can figure it out by looking through the lineup:
http://www.jrauctions.net/servlet/List.do?auctionId=110429&page=list&startLotId=20&direction=previous&categoryId=&filter=&showThumbNails=true


From old_iron at msn.com  Thu May  5 13:57:24 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:57:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
In-Reply-To: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W86132E7436B4E05B602C4E7800@phx.gbl>


Really nice pictures of the older wooden boats.
 
Thanks for sharing!
 
Peg
 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:40:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
> 
> That is one Shindig that I would love to attend, we have not been down
> south yet ;-)))
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for
> the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South
> Louisiana to join in some food and engines. 
> 
> Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
> http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958
> 
> JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and
> friends! 
> 
> -Steve- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu May  5 15:56:08 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 18:56:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<8424E889126F457291CB75F37E23680B@computer>
	<FAB2DFFC-FBE1-4987-97A7-656BA329559E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F9AB96E5A83D40698A6208287B094EBF@computer>

Thanks Rob
It is a Cleveland model F. With many modifications.
now called a cleatrac.
R Fink


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results


>
> On May 5, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rob
>> Do you know what model the Cletrac was[about last in the list]
>> R Fink
>
> Ahdunno, Richard.
> Perhaps you can figure it out by looking through the lineup:
> http://www.jrauctions.net/servlet/List.do?auctionId=110429&page=list&startLotId=20&direction=previous&categoryId=&filter=&showThumbNails=true
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri May  6 07:13:48 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:13:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com>
	<0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F559FC202@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wonder if there was a buyers fee on top of that, plus California sales tax.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Fri May  6 07:28:08 2011
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 07:28:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F559FC202@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <47DDC901-E3A5-4191-8E44-34FD85F98D3B@rustyiron.com><0241D099-7352-4BCE-B8D3-6734F2256566@windstream.net>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F559FC202@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <D167FE2392A52B4ABADD1D0A0744B8BC02AC12@server.lorens.local>

George,

Sales tax yes...buyers fee no.

WT

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
George (DS)
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:14 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

Wonder if there was a buyers fee on top of that, plus California sales
tax.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Tucker
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Auction Results

WOW!!! $155,000 for the Schilling... very impressive!

On May 5, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> These numbers were compiled by Dick Bouma at the auction a couple
weeks ago in Ceres. 
> I just typed in the numbers.
> Rob

> 6 hp Schilling 155,000

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May  6 12:37:12 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:37:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>

After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the trailer:

On 28 April 2011 20:02, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis65.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis66.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis67.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis68.jpg

Peter
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at me.com  Fri May  6 13:17:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:17:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>

Lookin GREAT Peter
	Dave
PS, And the supervision you have in the first photo I know the project  
will turn out well!

On May 6, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the  
> trailer:
>
> On 28 April 2011 20:02, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis65.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis66.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis67.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis68.jpg
>
> Peter
> -- 
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> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri May  6 13:46:53 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:46:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No windows?  Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
graffiti.  8-))

On Fri, May 6, 2011 3:37 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:
> After a pretty busy day, we have the front and sides up on the trailer:





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May  6 22:19:00 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 06:19:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E23B30A0-73C9-456F-8974-06B432074947@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimRvsmPvrq7a2bZz-6sB86DSDuQBA@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 21:17, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Lookin GREAT Peter
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, And the supervision you have in the first photo I know the project
> will turn out well!

Rita is in there working on it, not just supervising, Dave.

She is very good at handling the tools..... :-))

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 02:08:42 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 10:08:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 21:46, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> No windows? ?Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
> graffiti. ?8-))

Not quite graffiti, but we are producing two 3ft diameter (approx)
decals of the Ruston & Hornsby decal that is shown here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston/Transfer1.jpg

Maybe some additional lettering horizontally.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat May  7 07:14:44 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 10:14:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT!!  That'll class her up!

On Sat, May 7, 2011 5:08 am, Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 6 May 2011 21:46, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> No windows? ?Those acres of pristine white are screaming for engine-related
>> graffiti. ?8-))
>
> Not quite graffiti, but we are producing two 3ft diameter (approx)
> decals of the Ruston & Hornsby decal that is shown here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston/Transfer1.jpg
> Maybe some additional lettering horizontally.





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:43:08 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:43:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <F002484E5E144C109650A359E781127C@JIMDUNMYER>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEINCGAA.edurand@fairpoint.net>
	<4242B48F-EBE5-43B4-B806-C004C4AA785D@adam.com.au>
	<F002484E5E144C109650A359E781127C@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimXqdNPzTkzujTHk6b_berkqq8m0A@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 May 2011 15:07, Jim Dunmyer <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com> wrote:
> That said, Peter's trailer can't be loaded improperly to the point of
> causing handling problems, as it has 4 wheels, on the corners. It's more of
> a "wagon" than a "trailer", at least to me.

The individual axles are rated at 1300kg or 2860# each, so the
combined maximum load is 3900kg or 8580#.

The UK regulates this class/size of trailer to 3500kg or 7700# gross
weight as it uses over-run braking. Above 3500kg you have to have
powered brakes, usually air operated.

So, we have the two rear axles with the Ruston sat across them at
1700kg which leaves a fair margin of safety. The front axle is
carrying the front half of the body and the living quarters. The
towbar is not imposing any load on the towing vehicle, other than its
own weight and that of the towing coupling.

We are not ready for a loaded run yet, but we expect to see fairly
even distribution across the three axles.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:47:27 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:47:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 May 2011 15:14, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> BRILLIANT!! ?That'll class her up!

The transfer is pretty good, but when you blow it up to 3ft diameter
there's a huge amount of dust spots, colour bleed and defects, so we
have scanned it at 1600dpi and are working on it in the spare hours to
get a decent image in TIFF format for the printers. They output it on
a very nice inkjet type machine. ?45 per linear metre is what they
charge for full-colour prints. File size is a few hundred mb.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat May  7 14:20:14 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:20:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c24a13229ee07015a91a6a338b506cd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTimb6_P_8P3ieyKccbG25pzVxVz8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<f19039fcb6ba3f391655bb06945a0d40.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BANLkTikG74AdF7J-8Qk51VRtWVq=rFcoiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42774f5ebf966c08cb5e9c6a49c66f33.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No worries.  Road mung and sun fade will reduce the perceived resolution soon
enough.  8-))

On Sat, May 7, 2011 2:47 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:

> The transfer is pretty good, but when you blow it up to 3ft diameter
> there's a huge amount of dust spots, colour bleed and defects, so we
> have scanned it at 1600dpi and are working on it in the spare hours to
> get a decent image in TIFF format for the printers. They output it on
> a very nice inkjet type machine. ?45 per linear metre is what they
> charge for full-colour prints. File size is a few hundred mb.




From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Sat May  7 16:32:08 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:32:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Magneto for square hopper vertical Goold, Muir, Shapley?
Message-ID: <8C2498ED-C6EB-4C7A-98ED-18130767B5E4@gmail.com>

I have a vertical hit and miss Goold, Muir and Shapley hit and miss engine with the square hopper. I'm looking to convert it back to magneto from spark plug. Does anyone know what type of magneto I should start hunting for?

Sent from my iPhone


From rotigel at me.com  Sun May  8 05:29:14 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:29:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
Message-ID: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>

My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back  
from the UK this summer. See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
	Dave


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun May  8 07:10:09 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:10:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
Message-ID: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Lovely engine though...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
> from the UK this summer. See:
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280





From don.h at wcoil.com  Sun May  8 07:47:12 2011
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:47:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
	<e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7728C236B0274C36BE926F1E233BEAA1@gusPC>

will he have it running at Findlay Ohio this summer ???


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun May  8 12:02:52 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:02:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=1JMxH2ZJNtL4_FO+ias1er_wopA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=57_XeumBQ9+a8eU3HONsDhbCg6w@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 May 2011 20:37, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> After a pretty busy day:

Very productive day, in fact the whole weekend has been good, despite
some very heavy rain about 4am this morning, but that had dried up by
10am with the breeze and sun.

We have cut and stuck in place both cant rails (the top of each side)
and fixed all  the roof bars in place. Just short of one single-sided
tophat section to make up the second skylight/vent aperture. In the
pictures there is a conventional top hat piece just sitting there.

We get a delivery on Tuesday from Aalco so we can finish the roof and
start the rear door.ramp.

Also got to square up the chassis on axle stands before we finally fit
the GRP roof, which comes on a roll 2550mm wide and cut to your
length, 1.3mm thick.

Skylight on the single-sided roof sticks:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis72.jpg
Outside on offside
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis73.jpg
Outside on nearside
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis74.jpg
Single and double sided roof sticks
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis75.jpg
View from ist floor of the house
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis76.jpg

Peter




-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun May  8 15:46:27 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:46:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CA8E82DE-B021-4316-A802-FF0695FB5A83@me.com>
	<e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <32B86048-E6F1-480E-B9AB-8A5903FF69BB@ncable.com.au>

I thought you already had one like that Arnie


On 09/05/2011, at 12:10 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Lovely engine though...
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
>> from the UK this summer. See:
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun May  8 16:49:01 2011
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
Message-ID: <424ae.19a0c4bd.3af885ed@aol.com>

That engine need to be on the way to the states and  put in the new 
building at Coolspring Power Museum. 
 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 5/8/2011 6:52:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

I  thought you already had one like that Arnie


On 09/05/2011, at 12:10  AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> 
>  Lovely engine though...
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave  Rotigel wrote:
>> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie  is bringing back
>> from the UK this summer. See:
>>  http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280
>  
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 04:51:40 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:51:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 04:53:30 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:53:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy
In-Reply-To: <e3a56ef057407f7818282898018c96e9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <1539371038.385091304942010089.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Arnie how much space does this new girl take????  Do I need to make more space for you at Baraboo?
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: slick at toltbbs.com
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 9:10:09 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's Nw Toy

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Lovely engine though...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 8:29 am, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> My understanding it that this is the one that Arnie is bringing back
> from the UK this summer. See:
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=51280



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon May  9 04:54:28 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 05:54:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 1914 Galloway 6hp "Transition" engine
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds99667B899BE83566E02CDBB840@phx.gbl>

G'day all;


   Many THANKS to friend and fellow ATIS'r Frank Gremaux for thinking of me 
when he rescued this 1914 6hp Galloway "Transition" engine. It's a fine 
example of old style and new style parts. Now comes the task of figuring out 
which mag went on the proprietary shelf bracket. I don't think it was an 
Auto-Sparker, but what do I know?

Old Style  Hopper, cylinder/main casting

New Style  Rounded Head, Friction Clutch Pulley, Flywheels and Governor 
flyweights(2)

It's mounted on a partial mid-sized Galloway cart now but should fit nicely 
on my new style Gal truck with sawing attachment.

Pictures at;


http://good-times.webshots.com/album/580140090BOVXVU

Life is good and will post more pictures later after it's mounted on the 
sawing outfit.

Regards
RickinMt. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon May  9 05:06:38 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:06:38 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>

Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work.  It is apparent a  lot of 
thought/planning/design has gone into it.
 
I hope it will not turn out like a friend years ago who did a lot of pre  
engineering into the purchase of a large camping trailer.  He had a Rambler  
with 4 speed manual transmission.  Finally one day said the car would  
handle the trailer ok.  Since the Rambler had a unitized body rather than a  
major frame underneath, he fabricated a trailer hitch for it that started with  
large floor plates ahead of the front seat.  From there he worked it back  
to the rear bumper attaching it where he could.  He would go to the trailer  
lot and hitch it up for test runs until he was satisfied with the handling,  
etc. Finally one day he brought the trailer home, backed it into his  
driveway which was slightly down hill.  Not satisfied with where he  initially 
came to rest, he tried to pull it up the driveway hill and the  car would not 
move it, burning the clutch.  He apparently made some mistake  in his 
calculations and ended up purchasing a big Mercrusier to haul it.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 05:17:07 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:17:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>

Curt,
	I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Orings

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 05:30:35 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:30:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C63FBD53D974ACD983F2B49E62AE83F@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and torque".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:07 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update

Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work.  It is apparent a  lot of 
thought/planning/design has gone into it.
 
I hope it will not turn out like a friend years ago who did a lot of pre

engineering into the purchase of a large camping trailer.  He had a
Rambler  
with 4 speed manual transmission.  Finally one day said the car would  
handle the trailer ok.  Since the Rambler had a unitized body rather
than a  
major frame underneath, he fabricated a trailer hitch for it that
started with  
large floor plates ahead of the front seat.  From there he worked it
back  
to the rear bumper attaching it where he could.  He would go to the
trailer  
lot and hitch it up for test runs until he was satisfied with the
handling,  
etc. Finally one day he brought the trailer home, backed it into his  
driveway which was slightly down hill.  Not satisfied with where he
initially 
came to rest, he tried to pull it up the driveway hill and the  car
would not 
move it, burning the clutch.  He apparently made some mistake  in his 
calculations and ended up purchasing a big Mercrusier to haul it.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon May  9 06:18:08 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:18:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <33f8.69cf88dc.3af94390@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and  torque".



I think he did a lot on that end, but maybe forgot to calculate friction  
factor of the clutch plate.  Forgot to say he was an Engineer and one of  
those that wanted to make sure you knew how smart he was.  He got a lot of  
flack over that mistake in the office he worked in for Tennessee Valley  
Authority.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 06:42:38 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:42:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <33f8.69cf88dc.3af94390@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E9702D6A5414423995A2EFE776E2B16@laruecounty.courthouse>

And Tom he may have calculated correctly but due to age and possible
repairs over the years the specs on the clutch were not what they were
originally.  Springs lose tension, clutch pressure lessens and the plate
itself will glaze over and not provide the friction necessary to hold.
It may not be totally his miscalculation. (spoken by another with an
Engineering Degree...and a couple others too - some that do me no good!)

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 9:18 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update

 
In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Sounds like he forgot to calculate "Engine and Transmission HP
and  torque".



I think he did a lot on that end, but maybe forgot to calculate friction

factor of the clutch plate.  Forgot to say he was an Engineer and one of

those that wanted to make sure you knew how smart he was.  He got a lot
of  
flack over that mistake in the office he worked in for Tennessee Valley

Authority.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Mon May  9 09:47:32 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:47:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <37EE7298FE7041F28D304D8FFD736172@computer>

Tommy many years ago i worked for a bit in a strip mine. The equipment there 
was about all Cat. There were o rings in the transmission of them that was 
coded by color, that took a lot of heat i would say 900 And above.
For what it is worth.
R Fink
PA




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon May  9 09:47:26 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:47:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>
References: <23f86.7e4e2979.3af932ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimo5jLUKFvMgyPK-TtReHDoRL6zUg@mail.gmail.com>

On 9 May 2011 13:06,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Wow Peter, that is really some piece of work. ?It is apparent a ?lot of
> thought/planning/design has gone into it.
>

Tom:

The Land Rover Discovery we have is rated at 3500lb trailer weight,
and has handled the Ruston engine on our existing trailer to Nuenen
last year, we will have added about 3/4 of a tonne to that total
weight with the new trailer. We have never used low range in the
transfer box, the car handles the weight well in high range. It's a 4
litre (240cu in) V8.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Mon May  9 11:02:00 2011
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don Fleming)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:02:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
	<37EE7298FE7041F28D304D8FFD736172@computer>
Message-ID: <000a01cc0e73$33aceae0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>

Tommy
A friend and I have been using o rings in hit and miss model engines with 
very good results. I have also heard of these high temperature o rings for 
Cats.  I have also been told not to touch used rings that have been used for 
this purpose as they will do very nasty things to your skin.  This may be 
true or complete BS.  Maybe someone on the list has better information or 
the supplier should be able to tell you.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <rfinksr at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Tommy many years ago i worked for a bit in a strip mine. The equipment 
> there
> was about all Cat. There were o rings in the transmission of them that was
> coded by color, that took a lot of heat i would say 900 And above.
> For what it is worth.
> R Fink
> PA
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon May  9 15:23:12 2011
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <2003942539.384731304941899998.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <9AE9E8E38ED24032B527DB155B9308DC@Buffystoy>

Hi Curt... Several years ago I had a model engine that was named Irving. 
When I would run the engine it would bark at out the back of the piston 
which needless to say was not what I wanted to hear. So I took the piston 
out and measure the bore and piston well the piston was round but the bore 
was .003 out of round. I didn't want to bore and sleeve that small of engine 
so I asked my Dad what can I do to fix this problem. He thought about it for 
a day or two and called me. He asked if I had any O rings, I said I bought 
one of the packages Harbor Freight sells so he said to clean and dry the 
piston real good and then find an OF ring that would fit tight in the ring 
groove. The little engine doesn't get very hot so that should work. After 
putting the engine back together I found out the OF ring was to tight in the 
bore so I took the piston out and chucked it up in my lathe. Luckily the O 
ring was tight enough that it wouldn't turn on the piston and ran the lathe 
at high speed. With real fine emery cloth I worked the O ring down till it 
was just about .007 bigger than the piston. Put it together, started up and 
it runs like it should. I burn white gas and use a little extra oil on the 
piston.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; ","SEL Lists" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: [SEL] Orings


> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had 
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings 
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great 
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and found 
> that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs smoother.  Was 
> wondering if any one else on either list have tried this idea.  Looking 
> forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon May  9 16:24:50 2011
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:24:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you. Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material called ethylene propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon May  9 19:34:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:34:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>

Joe,  I've seen some of the swelled O Rings in the past.  I remember
accidentally dropping one once in can of lacquer thinner.  It took me a
couple of minutes to fish it out and it had swelled considerably in that
short period of time.  After a couple of hours it had swelled a LOT even
though it wasn't still in the thinner.  The thinner must have penetrated
the material in some way.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
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avanti_64 at juno.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:25 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell
mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list
remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well
nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another
subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you.
Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring
kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This
material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is
called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the
groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if
you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and
heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad
ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic
cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material
called ethyle!  ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the
material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue May 10 04:58:51 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:58:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <EDD9B038D1BE4657B926D26ED05A4A22@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <726058036.604871305028731851.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Tommy,
Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
Curt




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From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt,
	I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
Subject: [SEL] Orings

While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
thanks,
Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue May 10 05:28:49 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 07:28:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110509.192450.17637.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1052297004.608821305030529289.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Joe,
Where can I get the two type Orings you mentioned?
Thank you,
Curt Andree



----- Original Message -----
From: "avanti 64" <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 6:24:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you. Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material called ethyle!
 ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe


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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue May 10 07:33:23 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:33:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <726058036.604871305028731851.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <D6E5E0BD56164C419DF4441013D4BA92@packard971eb80>

I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph line.
The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At 
my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove of 
the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that has 
some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! I 
show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring. 
This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Hey Tommy,
> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 
> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer 
> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not 
> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
> Curt
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue May 10 18:08:55 2011
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 01:08:55 GMT
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Orings?=
Message-ID: <20110510.210855.22014.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

Buna N orings come in commercial grade oring assortment kits. These should be available to you at any Industrial Supplier or a Gasket/Packing supply house in your area. They may have the viton material also. Orings are sized by ID and Cross Section (thickness). Charts should be available on the Internet. Viton is more money, determine the size you need and order the quantity you need. All orings are black and round. You can't tell the difference between the material. When I worked in the business the spare EP orings were always in a seperate plastic bag and clearly marked with a label. Viton was the standard in all the mechanical seals and was installed when produced unless otherwise specified by the customer.
Joe

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From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 10 18:24:03 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:24:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <F3393D4DEB3A48A083C78CAC448AC190@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <023639A5-209D-4100-A120-2B1D054E393D@me.com>

Hi Tommy, I believe that I've had similar problems after ingesting a small blue pill!
	Dave

On May 9, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Joe,  I've seen some of the swelled O Rings in the past.  I remember
> accidentally dropping one once in can of lacquer thinner.  It took me a
> couple of minutes to fish it out and it had swelled considerably in that
> short period of time.  After a couple of hours it had swelled a LOT even
> though it wasn't still in the thinner.  The thinner must have penetrated
> the material in some way.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> avanti_64 at juno.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
> 
> 
> O rings will work in both models and stationary engines. I used to sell
> mechanical seals for a living and some of the guys here on the list
> remember when I had the old fashioned asbestos gasket material. Well
> nowadays I carry Garlock non asbestos material but that is another
> subject. There are 2 basic rubber compounds that are available to you.
> Buna N is the type that comes in the inexpensive commercial grade o ring
> kits where you get about 200 of the different sized o rings. This
> material is good to 210 degrees F. The other higher temp material is
> called Viton, it will get you up to 400. O rings take the shape of the
> groove they occupy and after awhile take a compression set. Basically if
> you put a round o ring in a square groove it will come out square and
> heat will harden it. Chemical attack makes them soft. I think a quad
> ring may work better in some applications, this is found in hydraulic
> cylinders and is basically a 4 sided o ring.  Do not use a material
> called ethyle!  ne propylene (EP), petroleum lubricants will swell the
> material and your engine won't move. Hope this helps. Joe
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed May 11 03:32:31 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:32:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Orings
In-Reply-To: <20110510.210855.22014.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <899437834.793191305109951465.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks for your help Joe,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "avanti 64" <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:08:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Orings

Buna N orings come in commercial grade oring assortment kits. These should be available to you at any Industrial Supplier or a Gasket/Packing supply house in your area. They may have the viton material also. Orings are sized by ID and Cross Section (thickness). Charts should be available on the Internet. Viton is more money, determine the size you need and order the quantity you need. All orings are black and round. You can't tell the difference between the material. When I worked in the business the spare EP orings were always in a seperate plastic bag and clearly marked with a label. Viton was the standard in all the mechanical seals and was installed when produced unless otherwise specified by the customer.
Joe

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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed May 11 03:36:35 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:36:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <D6E5E0BD56164C419DF4441013D4BA92@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <1163046716.793331305110195887.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Harry,
How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
thanks,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph line.
The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At 
my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove of 
the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that has 
some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! I 
show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring. 
This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Hey Tommy,
> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until 
> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer 
> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still not 
> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
> Curt
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> Curt,
> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>
> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
> thanks,
> Curt Andree
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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Wed May 11 11:17:18 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:17:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Orings
References: <1163046716.793331305110195887.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4B0E56612E55499D9429FCCAC86BC297@packard971eb80>

Curt,
I think I run it about 3 days a year (20 hours) a year.
I use the cheap rings from about $3.00 each.
I have to add that this engine runs very light (no drag) and stays very cool 
and it coasts for a long time.
IMO it's worth a try on any engine with blowby.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Harry,
> How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
> thanks,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph 
> line.
> The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At
> my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove 
> of
> the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that 
> has
> some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! 
> I
> show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring.
> This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.
>
> Harry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Hey Tommy,
>> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until
>> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer
>> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still 
>> not
>> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed May 11 15:08:21 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:08:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
Message-ID: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Our local club, WAPA, had a show at Cal. Poly Pomona. Great weather,
crowd and club participation.  Pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2011#
Other clubs brought in tractors, and Don Hunter made an appearance with
Holt 111 Steamer.  I actually got to drive it a lap around the field.  I
am still grinning.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com  Wed May 11 15:20:50 2011
From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:20:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <BAY153-w271E2B8DF22E8EC255CA35D5860@phx.gbl>


This link might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they offer about 8 different materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


Devin H


 		 	   		  

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu May 12 04:34:19 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:34:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <4B0E56612E55499D9429FCCAC86BC297@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <808466467.995671305200059204.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi Harry,
Thanks for the imput. Got one H&M engine with blowby and may just give it try soon as I can measure sizes I need.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:17:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt,
I think I run it about 3 days a year (20 hours) a year.
I use the cheap rings from about $3.00 each.
I have to add that this engine runs very light (no drag) and stays very cool 
and it coasts for a long time.
IMO it's worth a try on any engine with blowby.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


> Harry,
> How many running hours do you think you are getting on the rubber Orings?
> thanks,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:33:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
> I have used and still use an Oring on my 6hp Root&vanderVoort Triumph 
> line.
> The cylinder is slightly oval and it costs allot of $$$ to resleeve it. At
> my first attempt I used a big ring that would fit snug in the top groove 
> of
> the piston. This was absolutle NO succes. Than I tried a thin ring that 
> has
> some play on the bottom groove. It works great. The engine runs very nice! 
> I
> show this engine a few times a year, and every year I put in a new ring.
> This is only 15 minutes work on an opencrank engine.
>
> Harry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>
>
>> Hey Tommy,
>> Sorry I didn't see you at Baraboo as I was there from daylight until
>> 4:00pm just third row left from the gate way at the end with a trailer
>> full of stuff.   Thanks for everyones reply on use of orings but still 
>> not
>> heard from any one giving them a try in H&M engine.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 7:17:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> Curt,
>> I stopped by Baraboo Saturday afternoon.  Wow, that's a great
>> Swap Meet.  I've heard of a lot of folks using O rings on models but not
>> on full size engines.  I would think they might be OK for a hit and miss
>> that isn't under a lot, not sure about a throttler that gets hot enough
>> to really boil the water.  I'd think the temp inside the cylinder would
>> exceed that of the O ring specs.  Just a guess on my part though.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ,"SEL Lists
>> Subject: [SEL] Orings
>>
>> While having a great weather day at Baraboo Swap meet on Saturday I had
>> talked with a guy who has been replacing the standard metal piston rings
>> with rubber Orings in some of his hit-n-miss engines and having great
>> success.  I recently replaced the ones in my 1/2 scale R&V model and
>> found that it not only works well but the engine starts and runs
>> smoother.  Was wondering if any one else on either list have tried this
>> idea.  Looking forward to hearing from the groups.
>> thanks,
>> Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu May 12 04:59:04 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:59:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w271E2B8DF22E8EC255CA35D5860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <487027147.1000941305201544405.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they offer about 8 different materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nuts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From MBellar at aol.com  Thu May 12 08:12:13 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:12:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o  ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply bulk o ring  material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8  different  materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu May 12 08:14:46 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:14:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110512171157.021d98b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi all,
           No need to reply to this - The SEL list has been rejecting my
   posts for the last few months (hell, it's lousy feeling "not wanted')
   but Spencer thinks he hay have solved the problem so this is just a
   test to see if this one gets through.
   keep well,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu May 12 12:20:46 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:20:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
In-Reply-To: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>

Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)

So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt roads and concrete sidewalks?

Mike

On May 11, 2011, at 6:08 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Our local club, WAPA, had a show at Cal. Poly Pomona. Great weather,
> crowd and club participation.  Pictures at:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2011#
> Other clubs brought in tractors, and Don Hunter made an appearance with
> Holt 111 Steamer.  I actually got to drive it a lap around the field.  I
> am still grinning.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu May 12 13:39:51 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:39:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
Message-ID: <20110512.134005.974.527123@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Mike.

None of our engines drip or leave spots <VBG>.  No one complains, nice
people to deal with.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Thu, 12 May 2011 15:20:46 -0400 Michael Tucker
<oldironnut at windstream.net> writes:
> Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post 
> their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)
> 
> So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt 
> roads and concrete sidewalks?
> 
> Mike
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu May 12 18:44:51 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 02:44:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikHm9EV9k6U5_yNck5ExtpJ-9L0Zg@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Been a while....

With the ferry to Holland booked for the 10th June, we are
accelerating the work on the trailer this week, and I'm spending
half-days on it during the week.

Carried on from yesterday, spent a few hours at the factory then left
Rita and the boys to look after things while I came back home. I'm on
mobile 24/7 so anyone can get hold of me, and it's only two streets
away if they need me there.

First job was to put the n/side vertical door panel in place and glued
in, that took a while as I couldn't get the closeness of cut I wanted
with the circular saw, so resorted to the grinder with cutting disc.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis87.jpg

Then I started on fitting the floor outriggers. and quite fortuitously
the offcuts from the main honeycomb floor boards were exactly the
right size, so just needed the length to be trimmed. Serendipity or
what? :-))

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis86.jpg

The new nylon winch rope roller was made up this morning as well, we
bought a standard keel roller from Indespension, but the rubber roller
was too soft and wouldn't roll with a load on, so we made a new roller
out of Nylon and a new pin from brass. The pin was 7/16" diameter, but
we found an ebay supplier with some lengths so that was sorted.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis88.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis91.jpg

The outrigger boards went down OK, the pictured side has three offcuts
used as we had them available, and that is underneath the
toilet/shower so won't be seen.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis89.jpg

Lots of threatening clouds and a couple of showers, so had to work
under a tarp for most of the day.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis90.jpg

Hope to get the roof on over the weekend, will be doing the wheelboxes
tomorrow. The honeycomb material will be used for these and the
divider/wall between the engine section and the living quarters. Great
stuff, strong and
light, but the dust and shavings are a problem, you need to wear
gloves and breathing mask when sawing.

The drawbar ramp is being designed in my head while this is going on,
we are using floor plank extrusion bolted to two 6" X 3? X 1/2"
channels. It's going to be fairly light and very strong, we may get a
small cheapo winch to pull it up after use, 2000lb winches are just
over $US 100.

Other jobs in the pipeline are the roof drip rails, marker and rear
lights, a spare ball hitch on the front panel to park the drawbar on
to when the trailer is stopped etc.

The drawbar has gone back to the fabricators to correct a bit of
welding distortion. It wasn't too bad before the chassis was painted,
but since it went through the oven a couple of times it has got worse.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri May 13 03:28:17 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110512171157.021d98b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1140565158.1178401305282497559.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
Your coming through loud and clear in Northern Illinois.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:14:46 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Just a test

   Hi all,
           No need to reply to this - The SEL list has been rejecting my
   posts for the last few months (hell, it's lousy feeling "not wanted')
   but Spencer thinks he hay have solved the problem so this is just a
   test to see if this one gets through.
   keep well,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri May 13 03:30:38 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:30:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o  ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply bulk o ring  material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8  different  materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri May 13 06:20:03 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:20:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <704644.15219.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Look here and choose your own.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-ring-splicing-kits/=cabics
?
Alan

--- On Fri, 5/13/11, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:30 AM


Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on? my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I? have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing? 
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o? ring 
kit? from McMaster Carr .? They supply bulk o ring? material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length? and stick? the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that? is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that? by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to? fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal? in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years? on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks? for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin? Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM? GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link? might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8? different? materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri May 13 06:50:58 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:50:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mb s11>
References: <7322.4d02141f.3afd52cc@aol.com>
	<1031941796.1178431305282638333.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <20110513135056.0D7639530@smtp.wcoil.com>

At the local Industrial bearing supply and seal distributor (Kaman) 
if I give them the actual bore measurements and the dimensions of the 
ring groove they will make a recommendation on the o ring size. They 
can pick from SAE and Metric sizes to get to the closest proper size.     Mark





Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

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From levans44 at roadrunner.com  Fri May 13 08:32:35 2011
From: levans44 at roadrunner.com (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:32:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show at Cal Poly Pomona
In-Reply-To: <BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>
References: <20110511.150833.946.488365@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
	<BFE76820-08F7-426F-AA1F-EBFFF66DBDC8@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <4DCD4F13.30704@roadrunner.com>



On 5/12/2011 12:20 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> Thanks for the pictures, Ron... if only other WAPA members would post their pictures and videos of shows that they have been to! :-)
>
> So were the folks upset with all of the oil spots on their asphalt roads and concrete sidewalks?
>
> Mike
>    
Mike,

See: http://wapaus.rustyiron.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=50

for pictures of another WAPA show this year.  This was a nine day event 
from April 16 to April 24 at the Knott's Berry Farm theme park.  These 
folks definitely did not want a bunch of oil and grease spots on there 
pavement - notice all the drip pans.

-- 
Larry Evans
MailTo:LEVANS44 at roadrunner.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri May 13 10:08:40 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:08:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1305302401.15219.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110513184804.019a6e48@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 13/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 4
     Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 05:28:17 -0500 (CDT)
     From: cgandree at mchsi.com
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Just a test
     Jerry,
     Your coming through loud and clear in Northern Illinois.
     Curt

   Thanks Curt,
           When I got the post back instead of an error message I was most
   relieved. I was beginning to have that "not wanted" feeling :-) . It's
   good to be back.
           Now if I could just shake this darn "change of season" cold all
   would be hanky dory in my life. I'm fighting it with hot toddy's made
   from Lemon medication, about 4 aspirins , an Actifed tablet and a good
   glug (or 4) of brandy but it's fighting back valiantly. Tonight I'll
   try more Brandy - that should do the trick :-).
           For those of you who get "Stationary Engine Magazine", watch
   for the August edition (out early July to subscribers). The Lord alone
   knows why but they have decided to "profile" me in it. I suggested one
   of my more experienced friends but they said "No, we want you!",
           I take it as an honour, as it is also an honour belonging to
   these lists and being able to call so many of you "my friend".
           Keep well all of you,
   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From MBellar at aol.com  Fri May 13 11:12:10 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
Message-ID: <2fc92.4a48c2c3.3afece7a@aol.com>

Curt;
I purchased the fractional O-ring cord splicing kit McMaster Carr #  
9694K21 with Buna-N . They also have Viton and silicone options. I plan to  be at 
Portland next week. You are welcome to make a few with the kit. All you  
will need is a fresh tube of super glue. The kit came with a nice selection of  
Buna-N cord that I will never use up.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 5/13/2011 6:42:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you  ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original  Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years  ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller  engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  
have  
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty  replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do  it yourself" o  
ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply  bulk o ring  material of several 
OD's 
and all you need to do is cut  the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue  using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot 
of 
trial and error  I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I 
could 
get the  ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to 
get  
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine  for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine  sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com  writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original  Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland"  <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:   sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50  PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL]  Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton  o rings but they 
offer about 8  different   materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri May 13 13:07:33 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 21:07:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinq86hFhZ9wr9v+cOTpBYPd-kCDVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikHm9EV9k6U5_yNck5ExtpJ-9L0Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHCELKCGAA.edurand@fairpoint.net>
	<BANLkTinq86hFhZ9wr9v+cOTpBYPd-kCDVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinqc0sFy+pTN2=JvOuzGcDbpeZGKg@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 May 2011 21:06, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis92.jpg
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis93.jpg
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis93.jpg

That last url should be:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis94.jpg

Sorry!

Peter
-- 
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 14 03:49:53 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:49:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <2fc92.4a48c2c3.3afece7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1300844961.1350991305370193706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Tom,
Thanks for the very kind offer, however will not be attending Portland this year.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Curt;
I purchased the fractional O-ring cord splicing kit McMaster Carr #  
9694K21 with Buna-N . They also have Viton and silicone options. I plan to  be at 
Portland next week. You are welcome to make a few with the kit. All you  
will need is a fresh tube of super glue. The kit came with a nice selection of  
Buna-N cord that I will never use up.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 5/13/2011 6:42:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you  ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original  Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To:  sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years  ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on  my Geo. 
Miller  engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I  
have  
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty  replacing  
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do  it yourself" o  
ring 
kit  from McMaster Carr .  They supply  bulk o ring  material of several 
OD's 
and all you need to do is cut  the correct length  and stick  the ends 
together with super glue  using a jig that  is part of the kit. After a lot 
of 
trial and error  I found that  by making the ring slightly undersized I 
could 
get the  ring to  fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to 
get  
a good seal  in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine  for 
several years  on the same o rings then had the engine  sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com  writes:

Thanks  for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original  Message -----
From: "Devin  Holland"  <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:   sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50  PM  GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL]  Orings


This link  might help this is from MSC it is for Viton  o rings but they 
offer about 8  different   materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
/N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y>


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 14 03:58:55 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:58:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Orings
In-Reply-To: <704644.15219.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1685216660.1351141305370735416.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Alan,
Thanks for the info page, will order the kit soon.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:20:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Look here and choose your own.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-ring-splicing-kits/=cabics
?
Alan

--- On Fri, 5/13/11, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:30 AM


Tom,
Do you know what the part number was that you ordered?
thanks for your comments.
Curt Andree


----- Original Message -----
From: MBellar at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:12:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings

Several years ago I installed o rings in the lower two grooves on? my Geo. 
Miller engine. I tried several sizes from a Chinese assortment that I? have 
and found that they were too tight or loose causing difficulty replacing? 
the piston or excessive blowby. I finely purchased a "do it yourself" o? ring 
kit? from McMaster Carr .? They supply bulk o ring? material of several OD's 
and all you need to do is cut the correct length? and stick? the ends 
together with super glue using a jig that? is part of the kit. After a lot of 
trial and error I found that? by making the ring slightly undersized I could 
get the ring to? fit, fill, the piston groove and extend up just enough to get 
a good seal? in my oval badly pitted cylinder. I operated the engine for 
several years? on the same o rings then had the engine sleeved.

Tom Bellar


In a message dated 5/12/2011 8:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Thanks? for the link Devin!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin? Holland" <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To:? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:20:50 PM? GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Orings


This link? might help this is from MSC it is for Viton o rings but they 
offer about 8? different? materials.


http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/Nu
ts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_/
N-77e5z?refinement=4292499691&searchandizedOk=Y


<http://www1.mscdirect.com/eCommerce/NavigationServlet/Fasteners-Adhesives/N
uts-Washers-O-Rings/O-Rings-X-Rings-Cord-Stock/O-Rings-Accessories/O-Rings/_
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat May 14 08:42:22 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:42:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi all,
           There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
   consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
   litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
           I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
   suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
   gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
           I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
   a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
   high efficiency engines.
   Thanks,

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat May 14 16:29:52 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:29:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <COL106-W61C28B167592043F18C34CB48B0@phx.gbl>




 Jerry;
 Detroit Diesel engines the rule is .46 Lbs. per HP HR, just saying.
 
                  Best Regards
             
           Franklin S. Skinner 
      Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870  Cell 910-612-7470





 
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:42:22 +0200
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
> 
> Hi all,
> There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
> consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
> litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
> I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
> suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
> gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
> I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
> a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
> high efficiency engines.
> Thanks,
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Sat May 14 21:10:01 2011
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110514173443.02021c18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1305432601.2798.2.camel@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

For gasoline we use:
	1 gal/hour for each 10 HP

For diesel we use:
	1 gal/hour for each 20 HP

Pete.


On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 17:42 +0200, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi all,
>            There is an old "rule of thumb" formula for working out approx
>    consumption of fuel per hour per Horsepower. It goes something like "X"
>    litres (or gallons if you prefer) per H.P. per hour
>            I've forgotten the figures, does anyone know what "X" is. I
>    suppose that any answers should also state if they are US or Imperial
>    gallons - but litres would be nice :-)
>            I realise that it will not be accurate but, as mentioned, it is
>    a "rule of thumb" thing and will not necessarily hold good for modern
>    high efficiency engines.
>    Thanks,
> 
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>    Jerry Evans
>    Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>    Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>    <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun May 15 05:19:04 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 22:19:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
Message-ID: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun May 15 05:53:14 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
Message-ID: <6d92d.c146c66.3b0126ba@aol.com>

Pa trick,
Thanks you for photographing and posting these great engine  pictures.  I 
enjoyed viewing them.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

 
 
In a message dated 5/15/2011 5:33:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

Some  pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It   
was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with  steam.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun May 15 06:00:22 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:00:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a525e3d9e9fe32eb69da5622e4abcbe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

EXCELLENT!!  So Samuel's taken a fancy to hot fog 'eh?
Whatever it takes to get 'em hooked.
I do have one observation...  No black spots on his white outfit.
Was that Ann's controlling influence?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, May 15, 2011 8:19 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun May 15 10:08:28 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:08:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 86, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1305475202.10271.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110515190420.01f4d3d0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 15/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 3
     Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:01 -0500
     From: Pete Alleman <pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel Consumption /H.P. formula
     For gasoline we use:
             1 gal/hour for each 10 HP
     For diesel we use:
             1 gal/hour for each 20 HP
     Pete.

   Thanks Pete,
           That was the "simple" one I was looking for.
           Thanks also to all others for their answers.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun May 15 12:25:49 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
Just one thing bugged me a bit.
Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run at shows.
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM


Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue May 17 16:38:32 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:38:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wood County Heritage Days
In-Reply-To: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C9F601D8.7F45%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4165C95D549648D28E0366A24EF41F9B@Eagle>

 
	The Wood County Historical Society www.woodcountyhistory.org and the
Power of Yesteryear www.powerofyesteryear.org will hold our annual farm and
power show June 11 and 12 at the Wood County Museum just southeast of the
intersection of I-75 and US-6 near Bowling Green, Ohio. Complete information
can be found at the websites referenced above. We feature a steam powered
oil drilling display and an operating S.M. Jones powered pumping power with
wooden horizontal band wheel. Many farm related activities and
demonstrations will also be presented. A chicken & pork chop barbeque will
be on Sunday. I will be in the blacksmith shop and hope to see some SEL
members there.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed May 18 04:28:49 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:28:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <6a525e3d9e9fe32eb69da5622e4abcbe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C9F9EA91.7FC6%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Samuel did end up with a few black spots on his face so he has had his
'baptism'.
Patrick


On 15/5/11 11:00 PM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> EXCELLENT!!  So Samuel's taken a fancy to hot fog 'eh?
> Whatever it takes to get 'em hooked.
> I do have one observation...  No black spots on his white outfit.
> Was that Ann's controlling influence?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 8:19 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It  was
>> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed May 18 04:30:34 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:30:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <15928.49209.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C9F9EAFA.7FC7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

We just run the special 'no end' belts which saves driving anything.
Actually I was a bit rushed so did not take as many pics as I normally do.
When it comes down to a choice between a picture of an engine and one of a
water pump the engine wins.
Patrick


On 16/5/11 5:25 AM, "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
> Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
> Just one thing bugged me a bit.
> Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is
> on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run
> at shows.
> ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
> ?
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
> 
> 
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 05:33:28 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
In-Reply-To: <C9F9EAFA.7FC7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <975444.19021.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I leave an engine home if it doesn't have something to run.
Did you check out that YouTube link?
With that display I get lots of folks thanking me for my display.
I did that video in the evening after the show was done for the day.
During the show hours it is usually mobbed.
Just a plain old Hercules engine gets all that attention because it is running that great old sheller.
An engine with something to run is a better display.
Make it something that the folks can play with and it will be a very attractive display.
?
Alan

--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 7:30 AM


We just run the special 'no end' belts which saves driving anything.
Actually I was a bit rushed so did not take as many pics as I normally do.
When it comes down to a choice between a picture of an engine and one of a
water pump the engine wins.
Patrick


On 16/5/11 5:25 AM, "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures, Patrick.
> Samual is a good lookin' little feller.
> Just one thing bugged me a bit.
> Seeing pictures of engines with a belt on them then not getting to see what is
> on the other end of the belt leaves me wondering what you folks over there run
> at shows.
> ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOhYUL8HbA
> ?
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> Subject: Campbelltown Steam Museum
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 8:19 AM
> 
> 
> Some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum May 2011 display today. It? was
> our little one's first engine rally and he seems quite taken with steam.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay11/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed May 18 12:15:28 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:15:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

Work continues, in the dry now that we have a roof over our heads!

Starting some of the living section interior today, here's a shot of
the beds/seats after we laid the floor covering down:

[img]http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg[/img]

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed May 18 12:16:32 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:16:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 May 2011 20:15, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Work continues, in the dry now that we have a roof over our heads!
>
> Starting some of the living section interior today, here's a shot of
> the beds/seats after we laid the floor covering down:
>
> [img]http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg[/img]

Sorry, taken of the [img] tags:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis104.jpg

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Tue May 24 16:50:36 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:50:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>

 
	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo
Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but
otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored
inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, Ohio. We
have checked with other museums and there is no interest there. Is anyone
here interested in this truck?

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue May 24 20:15:27 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:15:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Not too good news]
Message-ID: <c6341ddf774216cf8c9542342ee3f408.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Poor Jerry's got troubles posting to the list again.  Spenser's "fix" didn't hold.

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: Not too good news
From:    "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Date:    Tue, May 24, 2011 12:58 pm
To:      "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi to all my friends on the lists,

	Most of you do not know that apart from my daughter Jacqui, I have another
lady in my life as well. Her name is Stephanie and we've been friends for
almost 20 years. If you look at the pics lower down on this page you will
see 2 pics  of her with Reg:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reg/index.htm>

	She was involved in a pretty bad motor accident early last Friday and is
in hospital in Durban (about 600 Kms away). Firstly, do not be concerned,
she is "out of danger" and awaiting operations in hospital. She has a
broken leg, broken foot, broken ankle (both legs are affected but I'm not
sure which injuries are on which side - does that make sense?), multiple
broken ribs, quite bad facial lacerations and pretty much her whole body is
bruised, cut and sore. The paramedics had to use the "Jaws of Life" to get
her out of the vehicle. The docs  need to operate on the foot and ankle but
need the swelling to go down first so we do not know when the op will take
place (it may have been today but I'm still waiting for contact for today).
It's a government hospital and she cannot keep her cell phone with her so
my only contact is via another friend who visits a few times a day and has
Stephanie's cell phone with her. When she is there I can call her. The only
problem is that this friends mother is also in intensive care (totally
unrelated to the accident) and dying so I do not want to be too much of a
pest as she has problems of her own and is being totally fantastic under
the circumstances.
	For those of you on Facebook (Dave, it's a site on the net :-)) there is
quite a bit of info on Colleen Venter's page (The friend I mention). It's
here - look on her wall - There are also pictures of Stephanie's wrecked
vehicle  :
<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=655352104&sk=wall>

	I AM in contact (but not there) but, this has been discussed and I am of
more use to her right here at the moment. I'm on standby should I need to
go to Durban.

	O.K. Here's the reason for this mail. Stephanie knows that I have many
friends on these 2 lists -  would any of you mind sending a short e-mail
message wishing her well to me. My brother is passing through Durban on
Thursday so I'd like to ask him to print them out and give her a bunch of
"get well soon" wishes from all over the world.

	OldEngine list guys just send normally. SEL list members, I only get the
"Digest Version" in 24 hours time and that will be too late to get to my
Bro to print out so it will be better to send direct to me "off list" at
the address on this post.

	One more request to those of us who say our prayers - please add Stephanie
to yours. Thanks guys and gals - that's all for tonight.

Love you all!
Jerry








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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Tue May 24 20:31:56 2011
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:31:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
Message-ID: <4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>

Bob Willman wrote:
>  
> 	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo
> Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but
> otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored
> inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, Ohio. We
> have checked with other museums and there is no interest there. Is anyone
> here interested in this truck?
> 
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> 
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> 
> Thomas Jefferson
> 

Bob,
  Let me talk to a few restorers I know. I'm sure that there is a 
department out there that would love to get it, restore it and use it 
for parades and such. I know I would love to have it for us but I am 
already working on one rig and have a second waiting....
-- 
Steve W.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed May 25 05:45:33 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:45:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Not too good news
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110525144446.01f61228@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi Guys,
           Thank You - Thank You and Thank you again !!
           My Inbox is full of wonderful notes from you guys. I've always
   said "You engine guys (and gals) are the best and you've just proved it
   again.
           I have such a lump in my throat from reading your messages that
   it is just as well that I'm writing this - I think that if I had to be
   speaking it you would not be able to understand what I'm saying (and
   that's NOT because of my accent!).
           Thanks again.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed May 25 12:58:03 2011
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:58:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck
In-Reply-To: <4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com><BANLkTim8UxZPXngjA-m4q0R3aNC2CK=noQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTimzVrUAvdNCNLz=TuEXKsmji_qt0g@mail.gmail.com><F05511E92ED846F7973949C851E57660@Eagle>
	<4DDC782C.2010308@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <18154ED87DB2425B8387BB36AF7AB223@Eagle>


	Thanks Steve. I have received several queries so far. I have some
photos if you want them. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1942 Buffalo Trojan Firetruck

Bob Willman wrote:
>  
> 	The Wood County Historical Society is disposing of a 1942 Buffalo 
> Trojan Fire truck on a Dodge chassis. The engine block is cracked but 
> otherwise it appears to be in decent shape. This truck has been stored 
> inside with our collection for some time and came from Perrysburg, 
> Ohio. We have checked with other museums and there is no interest 
> there. Is anyone here interested in this truck?
> 
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> 
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> 
> Thomas Jefferson
> 

Bob,
  Let me talk to a few restorers I know. I'm sure that there is a department
out there that would love to get it, restore it and use it for parades and
such. I know I would love to have it for us but I am already working on one
rig and have a second waiting....
--
Steve W.

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri May 27 13:52:54 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:52:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Update on Stephanie
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110527225101.01a24408@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           I've already said "Thank you" for all the great messages I
   received but then more arrived. So thank you again. There were too many
   to reply to personally so please everyone accept my heartfelt thanks to
   you all by means of the lists.
           Stephanie is still in hospital and is likely to be there for
   quite a while (I do not know how long that means).
           My brother dropped off a printout of all your mails to her
   yesterday. I spoke to her today and she really appreciated all the good
   wishes and said that she would reply to them all as soon as she could.
   I told her not to reply to each one personally - a simple letter to the
   lists would do just as well.
   UPDATE ON HER CONDITION:
           She had CT Scans done on Wednesday and the Docs reported back
   yesterday. They have to do a few "ops" but (as I mentioned previously)
   have to wait for the swelling to subside. It may take another week
   before the docs can operate.
           She is a "Tough Cookie" with a very positive outlook on life
   and it is quite amazing how she is taking all  this. When I spoke to
   her today she was full of jokes but I did notice that she was in pain
   from the broken ribs each time she laughed  (or coughed).
           In the meantime she  has got her cellphone and computer  back
   and is now in contact with the rest of civilization (Is Facebook
   civilization ?).
           From me :- Thank you all my friends for the great messages you
   all sent - as I mentioned previously I cannot reply to each one
   personally but please understand that each and every message was read,
   forwarded and appreciated.
           That's all for now - thanks again everyone.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From eric at facspro.com  Sat May 28 10:37:39 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 12:37:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
Message-ID: <DE01C5E5F34D4587ACC2BF7FA9025E95@Office>

Just a couple questions from the newbie---

Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.

Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.


Thank you,

Eric Walter


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 28 11:17:39 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:17:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <DE01C5E5F34D4587ACC2BF7FA9025E95@Office>
Message-ID: <750652710.3621501306606658960.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Eric,
I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call me.
Curt Andree
<cgandree at aol.com> 
McConnell, Ill.
815-238-7316



----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions

Just a couple questions from the newbie---

Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.

Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.


Thank you,

Eric Walter
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From eric at facspro.com  Sat May 28 11:37:38 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:37:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
References: <750652710.3621501306606658960.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1376D3F94DB14FB6BCE6C0B6D1160204@Office>

Curt,
Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded from 
Deere.
I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact "hot" 
as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag gear. 
The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive about what I 
am seeing on the mag gear.


Thanks
Eric
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions


> Eric,
> I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing 
> and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you 
> get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call 
> me.
> Curt Andree
> <cgandree at aol.com>
> McConnell, Ill.
> 815-238-7316
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
>
> Just a couple questions from the newbie---
>
> Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the 
> kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
> I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.
>
> Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to 
> find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag 
> though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what 
> appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag 
> gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock 
> the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Walter
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat May 28 11:48:03 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:48:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <1376D3F94DB14FB6BCE6C0B6D1160204@Office>
Message-ID: <1561393338.3623441306608483253.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Eric,
Check you inbox for email, just sent you three more inst. pages.....
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:37:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions

Curt,
Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded from 
Deere.
I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact "hot" 
as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag gear. 
The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive about what I 
am seeing on the mag gear.


Thanks
Eric
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions


> Eric,
> I am sending you a PDF file pic w/instructions on how to reset your timing 
> and mag for you JD Model E. to your personal email.  Let me know if you 
> get it ok and if you need some verbal words of wisdom feel free to call 
> me.
> Curt Andree
> <cgandree at aol.com>
> McConnell, Ill.
> 815-238-7316
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:37:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
>
> Just a couple questions from the newbie---
>
> Just received a Mag for my JD Type E --- With the mag sitting on the 
> kitchen table how can I test to see if it is "hot"?
> I'm used to my tractor mags that have an impulse trip.
>
> Also I've been reading about the timing marks which I have been able to 
> find on the cam gear and the crank gear. I'm not so sure on the mag 
> though-- I can see what appears to be a + stamped on a gear tooth and what 
> appears to be a punch mark on another tooth -- If I am looking at the mag 
> gear from the gear side of the mag and position the "+" mark at 12 o'clock 
> the punch mark is at 3 o'clock.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Walter
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat May 28 14:55:12 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 17:55:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Update on Stephanie
Message-ID: <69045.44c75f9f.3b12c940@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/27/2011 5:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

She is a "Tough Cookie" with a very positive outlook on  life
and it is quite amazing how she is taking all   this.


Jerry,
 
Glad to hear that she is getting better and will continue to do so.   Tell 
her to do any kind of exercise she can do while in the hospital bed, even  
if is just to grab the sides of the bed and squeeze hard, stretch the toes,  
etc.  Any exercise of the muscles will help her tremendously and keep from  
getting weak.  Been there and done that!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun May 29 09:14:29 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 18:14:29 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1306684801.13999.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 06:00 PM 29/05/2011, you wrote:

     Message: 3
     Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:37:38 -0500
     From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
     Curt,
     Thanks, I got the pdf and it is clearer than the one I downloaded
     from
     Deere.
     I'm still wondering how to test the mag to find out if it is in fact
     "hot"
     as I was told it was and also identifying the timing mark on the mag
     gear.
     The marks on my engine are as plain as day but I'm not positive
     about what I
     am seeing on the mag gear.

   Eric,
           Is it a Wico EK mag? If so go to Rob Skinners page - he built a
   nice "thingy" to test them with:
   <[1]http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html>

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html
   2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rotigel at me.com  Sun May 29 10:02:36 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 13:02:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>

Lord, how I miss that retarded kid who used to live next door!
	Dave

On May 29, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>
>   Eric,
>           Is it a Wico EK mag? If so go to Rob Skinners page - he  
> built a
>   nice "thingy" to test them with:
>   <[1]http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/wicomagnetoteste.html>
>
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun May 29 11:53:42 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 11:53:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
In-Reply-To: <121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110529180954.01998370@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<121DC1CB-1DC3-4616-86C4-300F6F2E22F7@me.com>
Message-ID: <1E55E7A9-244B-4463-A724-C565397CFA2C@rustyiron.com>

> On May 29, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> go to Rob Skinners page



On May 29, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Lord, how I miss that retarded kid who used to live next door!


First of all, I've never lived in Pencilveinya. 
Second of all, my IQ has tested well into the 90s.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun May 29 13:20:21 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:20:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Type E Mag questions
Message-ID: <1349.4e4cc29f.3b140485@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/29/2011 12:24:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Is it a Wico EK mag


Jerry,
 
It is a rotary mag for a John Deere model E engine.  See how  simple that 
explanation was Dave.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sun May 29 19:01:45 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:01:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Memorial Days in the USA
Message-ID: <2460AF75680046DA8F44CB453EE61A1A@Arthurhplaptop>

For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms, 
THANK YOU and R.I.P.

For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world", 
THANK YOU for your service.

For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:

Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we 
will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training 
here in Florida at the several air fields

operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British 
pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom. 
Please know graves are well cared for.

Thank you,


Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sun May 29 19:26:49 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:26:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Memorial Day USA
Message-ID: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>

For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms,
THANK YOU and R.I.P.

For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world",
THANK YOU for your service.

For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:

Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we
will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training
here in Florida at the several air fields

operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British
pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom.
Please know graves are well cared for.

Thank you,


Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com















Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun May 29 21:27:38 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 00:27:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Memorial Day USA
In-Reply-To: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
Message-ID: <7D1701DF-438C-4343-A9AB-83967DFFD6C0@scrtc.com>

Amen to your comments Arthur.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 Sent from my iPad

On May 29, 2011, at 10:26 PM, "Arthur&Deana Southwell" <asouth42 at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> For all the military personnel who paid the ultimate price for our Freedoms,
> THANK YOU and R.I.P.
> 
> For all Vets who wrote the blank check to the peoples of the "free world",
> THANK YOU for your service.
> 
> For our friends of the British Commonwealth of Nations:
> 
> Tomorrow, at 10:00 EDT, in a small town named Arcadia, in Florida, USA, we
> will hold a Memorial Service for your sons who died during flight training
> here in Florida at the several air fields
> 
> operated by Emory-Riddle Flight Schools during WW II for training British
> pilots. Twenty Three young men gave their all for the cause of freedom.
> Please know graves are well cared for.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, FL 34266 USA
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, FL 34266 USA
> 
> asouth42 at embarqmail.com 
> 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon May 30 20:18:48 2011
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 23:18:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)
In-Reply-To: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w29B691BB3D4DA7BE42CD97C27A0@phx.gbl>


Here is the video of the first start up of my 10 HP Heer opposed twin cylinder engine.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APT8A15Rx6E 		 	   		  

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 31 03:23:09 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:23:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)
References: <DD41CC4531B5463DA6122462FD6D13BA@Arthurhplaptop>
	<SNT131-w29B691BB3D4DA7BE42CD97C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A3F190C97D0C4793B445ACEB482A61C5@mikecomp>

Good job Tom!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] 10 HP Heer first start up :)


>
> Here is the video of the first start up of my 10 HP Heer opposed twin 
> cylinder engine.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APT8A15Rx6E
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 31 10:59:16 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:59:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
Message-ID: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>

Hi Gang,
	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
	Dave



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue May 31 11:03:32 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:03:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I'll be there this year for my first time!

Looking forward to seeing people I haven't seen in many years and putting faces to some of the people I've been in contact with over the years.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show

Hi Gang,
	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
	Dave

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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue May 31 11:29:45 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:29:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>

How did the well log?

Any hope of running the Snow at design speed?

Dave Merchant


At 01:59 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>         I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show
>(June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
>space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
>trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
>boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
>         Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and
>moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused
>area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS
>spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.
>Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at ncweb.com
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue May 31 11:49:36 2011
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:49:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <8064CDAB-A687-4E97-A9AB-4A684ABF0DE4@herculesengines.com>

Dave
We will be there about noon on Thursday.
Keith


On May 31, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From rotigel at me.com  Tue May 31 11:55:24 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:55:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20110531142821.037dd110@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <895CFF3B-3BB5-4C4B-805E-123792F81793@me.com>


On May 31, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> How did the well log?
There were no trees that needed to be cut down where they put in the  
well, thus there were no logs.
>
> Any hope of running the Snow at design speed?
I have no idea.
>
> Dave Merchant
Dave

>
>
> At 01:59 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi Gang,
>>        I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring  
>> Show
>> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
>> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
>> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
>> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
>>        Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the  
>> trees and
>> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any  
>> unused
>> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30  
>> LESS
>> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put  
>> in.
>> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
>>        Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at ncweb.com
> kosh at nesys.com
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue May 31 13:27:49 2011
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F56DA1AC7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <4DE54F45.6000003@lbpinc.com>

Thanks Dave.   We will be coming down on Thursday with a car and 
trailer.  Please save us a spot if you can.

Frank

Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
>

-- 
HONOR GOD
SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 31 17:53:57 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:53:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
References: <FF346CE0-C16C-4271-8D43-2912478F3A0A@me.com>
Message-ID: <A974A740DC8C4DAFB3CF2F94F799581D@mikecomp>

The Royster boys and Bill Bird will be there probably arriving Wed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show


> Hi Gang,
> I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> Dave
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue May 31 23:04:28 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:04:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show
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Gee how quick has this come around. Already 12 months since I had a nice feed of porter house steak and fresh corn compliments of Dave and co. I will be thinking of you guys having way to much fun. Coolspring is just something else.
Russell





On 01/06/2011, at 3:59 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> 	I talked to Jake about the SEL space for the June Coolspring Show  
> (June 16, 17, and 18) several days ago. He will allot us the same  
> space we have had for the past 10 years--2nd row at the end by the  
> trees. Steve and Mel Weber and I will be posting signs as to the  
> boundaries of our area the morning of June 15th.
> 	Jake has asked that we fill in the area starting at the trees and  
> moving toward the entrance in order that we can "give back" any unused  
> area as of Friday evening. This is because there will be about 30 LESS  
> spaces this year due to an oil/gas well that has recently been put in.  
> Hope to see LOTS of LIST members at Coolspring this year!
> 	Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel