From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 1 07:39:56 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:39:56 GMT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20110101.103956.20060.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR !! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers." (Ronal Reagan ) ____________________________________________________________ Browse the web faster. Download Chrome Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4b31f2550a5f9aast01vuc From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 1 07:44:35 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:44:35 GMT Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT Message-ID: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. No luck ! Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers." (Ronal Reagan ) ____________________________________________________________ Browse the web faster. Download Chrome Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4c2617bbd415630st05vuc From amkimmell at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 07:58:53 2011 From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT Message-ID: <543748317-1293897534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-245912199-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Joe, If it works on high then the fuse is good. More than likely the resistor block has gone bad. It's usually located in the blower box with 4-5 wires coming out of it. -Tony From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sat Jan 1 08:56:43 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:56:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Bad resister block. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From mls543 at ntelos.net Sat Jan 1 09:33:14 2011 From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> Message-ID: <003601cba9d9$f8664380$e932ca80$@ntelos.net> Got Contact Cleaner ? Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro VA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:57 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Bad resister block. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 09:43:58 2011 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:43:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: A Tip: I don;t know about Fords - mine never failed - but some (like my wife's) have a relay that fails in the manner you described; i don't think it could be a fuse. Now for general help - AutoZone has a site that has repair info on it and there are many other sites, including YouTube with repair tips and how-to info. AlGore invented the net - Google made it useful. Paul in California - surfing the 'net PS: I used to hang out at the gas station (they used to do repairs) and read manuals to learn what now take a few seconds. Some things are easier in my old age. PPS: Google save over a $Billion a year on income taxes with the "Dutch Sandwich" tax exemptions - so we are paying for this service. From rfinksr at verizon.net Sat Jan 1 11:58:40 2011 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:58:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Joe it is the Resistor i just went through that on my truck. It should be under the hood on the heater box has a plug on it and is mounted with 1 or 2 screws. real buger to get to on my truck. About all the auto parts stores around here carry them. Good luck. R Fink ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on > my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the > "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under > the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the > freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding > Fathers." > (Ronal Reagan ) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Browse the web faster. Download Chrome > Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4c2617bbd415630st05vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Sat Jan 1 16:16:50 2011 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Robert Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:16:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] heater problem Message-ID: <1A3C5830A8D04D1FB0D2FD01043846E7@robertc9dfe3ff> Fuse is o0k. mRTesistor in heater case has fryed. replace resistor From yostsw at atis.net Thu Jan 13 23:17:44 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... Message-ID: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to bed. More later Spencer Sent from my iPhone From sewell at ohio.edu Fri Jan 14 02:02:45 2011 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: <0F8674EFA3209748AC63E990A6F64CED48C58E7A5B@EXMAIL2.ohio.edu> Looks like you did it!! -steve From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 14 05:27:47 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:27:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... Message-ID: Thanks Spencer! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 14 07:28:44 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: YEE HAW!!!!! On Fri, January 14, 2011 2:17 am, Spencer Yost wrote: > Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to bed. More > later From mcanady at lilleyinternational.com Fri Jan 14 09:06:27 2011 From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com (Merton Canady) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:06:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? Message-ID: Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 14 09:11:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:11:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4BCF21AE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks! Now who's going to start some engine postings and get things going again? George Ps. I've been working on my tractor lately, so don't have any engine things going on unless you count the tractor engine, This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 09:33:11 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:33:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff Message-ID: This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jan 14 09:52:33 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:52:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used www.uship.com before and liked it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:33, "Jim O'Hagan" wrote: > This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers > with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be > more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is > there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west > coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 > 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 14 10:09:43 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:09:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4BCF2459@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Jimmy, The link Spencer posted looks like a good option. What I'm wondering is what engine did you buy now that's worth shipping out from PA? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:33 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] enine stuff This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 14 10:23:38 2011 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 14 10:37:53 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 14 10:56:03 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:56:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 82, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110114204835.01dddec0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/01/2011, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:17:44 -0500 >From: Spencer Yost >Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... > >Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to >bed. More later >Spencer Thanks Spencer, I've suffered terrible withdrawal symptoms and have taken to drinking heavily and been grumpy and unapproachable since they went down, even to the extent of "kicking the cat", swearing at fools and not brushing my teeth - hopefully my life will now return to normal :-) My daughter will be very happy :-) Thanks again, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jan 14 11:11:37 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:11:37 GMT Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114.141137.29158.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Great Pix, JB. Thanks for sharing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the (_o_) freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jan 14 11:32:30 2011 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:32:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <1ca9c.1931820f.3a61fece@aol.com> Ditto, Francis Santa Maria,CA 93454 In a message dated 1/14/2011 11:19:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: Great Pix, JB. Thanks for sharing. From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Jan 14 12:35:06 2011 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:35:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> Enjoyed your pictures J.B. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 writes: > We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got > done. Here's a link to some pictures. > > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 > > J.B. Castagnos ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d30b3a3cab33beed7cst04vuc From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Jan 14 14:39:55 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:39:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> Merton Canady wrote: > Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... -- Steve W. From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 14 14:55:38 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:55:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27D2792D-1021-415C-9964-931783B96B80@me.com> The server went Tits up--DEAD, TOTALED. It took Spencer a bit more time putting it back together than he thought it would! Dave On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Merton Canady wrote: > Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 14 15:37:51 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:37:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> Message-ID: <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of gasoline! Mark > > > >Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... > >-- >Steve W. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 14 17:12:45 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! Dave On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > gasoline! Mark > > > >>> >> >> Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... >> >> -- >> Steve W. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 17:38:56 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:38:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <721B2DEE643846778E3B9BD69DE93D61@VALUED3253602F> Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. It's a 8 horse Fairbanks "N" tank cooled. I think it weighs 1500 Lbs. ish.,4' tall, 4'w. and 5'long .without a tank. I'll keep your email and let you know what happens. Beer money-Absolutely! Thanks Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Jan 14 20:11:01 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:11:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> Message-ID: <4D311E55.1070303@frontier.com> Dave Rotigel wrote: > I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > Dave Sounds like the mix I used to run in my racing sled. It was an Amsoil product and the mix was 100:1 Burned clean and made a lot of power but the fumes would really burn your eyes. They still sell it as Sabre. Full synthetic. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 15 08:56:56 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:56:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> Message-ID: <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > Dave > >On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > > > > > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > > gasoline! Mark > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... > >> > >> -- > >> Steve W. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 15 09:39:31 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:39:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark, Yes, Dave DID say "one cup of oil" but that was for 50,000 gallons of gas, NOT 4,000 gallons. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, January 15, 2011 11:56 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I > still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) > > At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >>I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! >> Dave >> >>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: >> > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix >> > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of >> > gasoline! Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 15 10:26:25 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> Arnie, Well the evil one must have been in a kind mood that day or as he said his memory could be failing as his exact quote was (If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of gasoline! I believe that still "works" Dave ) Email dated and time stamped below. (David Rotigel 08:53 PM 10/18/2010 Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup) So we better start keeping a closer eye on him, we don't want him to have a memory lapse and forget that turning gears is no place for fingers. Or that using a hammer to kill a fly on his friends fore head is not good either. Thats gotta leave a mark. GRINN, No pun intended, Mark At 12:39 PM 1/15/2011, you wrote: >Mark, > >Yes, Dave DID say "one cup of oil" but that was for 50,000 gallons of gas, >NOT 4,000 gallons. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, January 15, 2011 11:56 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I > > still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) > > > > At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: > >>I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > >> Dave > >> > >>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >> > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > >> > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > >> > gasoline! Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sun Jan 16 06:00:02 2011 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:00:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] enine stuff Message-ID: <59360.21c58dbd.3a6453e2@aol.com> Why dont you get a hold of Bill Hazard he travels west several times through out the year. KK In a message dated 1/14/2011 8:44:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes: Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. It's a 8 horse Fairbanks "N" tank cooled. I think it weighs 1500 Lbs. ish.,4' tall, 4'w. and 5'long .without a tank. I'll keep your email and let you know what happens. Beer money-Absolutely! Thanks Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 10:56:32 2011 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:56:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Message-ID: To my friends on the lists, I want to send my gratitude for your thoughts and prayers and support during the last few weeks. I'm sorry Dawn only got to meet a few of you, she would have loved you all. The flowers were beautiful and someone said that whoever sent them must have really known her well. You all are the greatest, I appreciate all the help and will need it to move forward. Thanks so much, Steve Royster From weolson at wiktel.com Sun Jan 16 15:23:53 2011 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:23:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1921515139.20110116172353@wiktel.com> Hi Mark, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:26:25 PM, you wrote: MS> Arnie, Well the evil one must have been in a kind mood that day or MS> as he said his memory could be failing as his exact quote was MS> (If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of MS> gasoline! I believe that still "works" Dave ) MS> Email dated and time stamped below. MS> (David Rotigel 08:53 PM 10/18/2010 Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup) MS> So we better start keeping a closer eye on him, we don't want him to MS> have a memory lapse and forget that turning gears is no place for MS> fingers. Or that using a hammer to kill a fly on his friends fore MS> head is not good either. Thats gotta leave a mark. GRINN, MS> No pun intended, Mark Oh, so you've heard the song by Homer & Jethro from years ago, "Mama Get the Hammer, There's a Fly On Papa's Head". I've got it on record, learned a lot from those boys. -- Best Regards, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jan 16 19:10:58 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:10:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details Message-ID: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical details..... The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my home computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, but the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The ATIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a year ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle whatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, but the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these power cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it to the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the motherboard was dead. To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad power supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it didn't matter. It was dead. Thank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, and began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to install a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services running. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list software(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on everything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a tip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of Apache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word to the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software upgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and get that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in less than a week; except for Mailman. While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am working, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am running on about 4 hours a sleep a night. The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman uses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current version of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The previous versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons either, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot of system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of them make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the language. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was stuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved my problems were available. So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded up an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and installed that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of normal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, import statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this point, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks inside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were some re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. This ended up taking me a few days. In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and should serve us for years to come. I think I am going to get more sleep now..... Spencer From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 16 19:39:13 2011 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:39:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: <99E5A6EB-9798-414B-8F1E-F88B3118DACF@scrtc.com> Wow Spencer, a lot of work so we can continue to enjoy the SEL. THANK YOU! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. > > Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical > details..... > > The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my > home computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, > but the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The > ATIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a > year ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle > whatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, > but the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these > power cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it > to the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the > motherboard was dead. > > To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad > power supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it > didn't matter. It was dead. > > > Thank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. > > I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, > and began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to > install a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services > running. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list > software(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on > everything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a > tip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of > Apache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word > to the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software > upgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and > get that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in > less than a week; except for Mailman. > > While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am > working, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am > running on about 4 hours a sleep a night. > > The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman > uses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current > version of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The > previous versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons > either, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot > of system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of > them make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the > language. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was > stuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved > my problems were available. > > So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded > up an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and > installed that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of > normal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, > import statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this > point, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks > inside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were > some re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. > This ended up taking me a few days. > > In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and > should serve us for years to come. > > > I think I am going to get more sleep now..... > > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From maytagtwin at aol.com Sun Jan 16 20:33:50 2011 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:33:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: <8CD8416DF818CD0-980-DE9E@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Spencer, Thank you. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Yost To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:10 pm Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical etails..... The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my ome computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, ut the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The TIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a ear ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle hatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, ut the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these ower cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it o the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the otherboard was dead. To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad ower supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it idn't matter. It was dead. hank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, nd began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to nstall a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services unning. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list oftware(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on verything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a ip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of pache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word o the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software pgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and et that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in ess than a week; except for Mailman. While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am orking, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am unning on about 4 hours a sleep a night. The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman ses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current ersion of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The revious versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons ither, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot f system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of hem make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the anguage. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was tuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved y problems were available. So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded p an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and nstalled that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of ormal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, mport statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this oint, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks nside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were ome re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. his ended up taking me a few days. In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and hould serve us for years to come. think I am going to get more sleep now..... pencer ______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel = From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 20:53:56 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:53:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F15BADDC0114201959CB27D5DA1AC2F@VALUED3253602F> Spencer, Thank you for the shipping recommendation. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:53 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff I've used www.uship.com before and liked it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:33, "Jim O'Hagan" wrote: > This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers > with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be > more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is > there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west > coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 > 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at ohio.edu Sun Jan 16 23:27:36 2011 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:27:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year In-Reply-To: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> References: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> Message-ID: <0F8674EFA3209748AC63E990A6F64CED48D40B8514@EXMAIL2.ohio.edu> GREAT stuff J.B. Thanks!! -steve ________________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net [jbcast at charter.net] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Busy new year We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 17 05:48:08 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:48:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details Message-ID: Spencer, My feeble minded brain does not comprehend anything you said except everything was fried! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 17 17:58:18 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:58:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D34D4B2.3090207@frontier.com> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> <4D33CC19.4050504@frontier.com> <4D343DF3.18353.1AC48A@weeksh.att.net> <4D34D4B2.3090207@frontier.com> Message-ID: As I said in the begining the thing went TITS UP! What more does anyone have to know? Dave PS, What part of TITS UP does this group not understand? On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Howard Weeks wrote: >> There has been a movement among those that sell "services" to us >> computer users to get funtionality and data off our PCs and into >> their paid (off site to us) domain. >> >> Common examples include: >> >> web based email, >> offsite backup, >> photo storage, >> all types of offsite serving of applications and related data, >> and many others. >> >> That is why mainframes died off in the 80s when the PCs became >> affordable for the average user. The mainframe world was not >> responsive to the average user and the cost was prohibitive. >> >> To the extent that people fall for this sales pitch, they should >> watch their billfolds very carefully. In addition, they will have >> very limited ownership and control of their data that is offsite. >> >> I understand that there are real advantages to some of these examples >> but I will not use them because of the ownership and control issues. >> >> There is no way in hell that I am going to move in that direction. >> >> Howard in GA > > Take a look at Googles new OS. The entire thing runs in the "cloud" all > your applications and such are on their servers, so is all your work, > data and anything else. Not something I'm interested in. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jan 17 20:04:54 2011 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:04:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way registry Message-ID: <4D351166.1000600@coastalnet.com> I was just made aware of another website with a lot of New Way information which includes a registry and serial number list. It has been added to the resources page at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/ Click on the "Serial Number Lists and Registries" link. Take care. Ken From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 08:53:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I know this isn't a problem for some of you. You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, and that has resolved the problem. However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 18 09:16:36 2011 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010401cbb733$766d49c0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> It can be a big problem. On warm days after cold snaps, the Tod Engine will shed between 50 to 100 gallons of water. I have given up on any ideas of stopping this. I just make sure all bright surfaces are painted or covered with oil. In small spaces perhaps a couple of dehumidifiers may help out. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop >I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 18 09:14:32 2011 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:14:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I feel your pain George as I spent 8 years in your neck of the woods. I'd say seal off as best you can and install a BIG de-humidifier. Heavy on the big. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 18 09:56:19 2011 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:56:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4eeede8643124ff77a08c49e7a68ee9e.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Warm air can hold more humidity......... when that warm air with more moisture touches something cold, it has to give up some of that moisture... like a sweating window in the winter. 2 choices - keep it a more even temp as much as possible, or dehumidify, ok, so 3 - minimize outside air infiltration. I live in humid hot and cold Iowa - I feel your pain! I have had car seats get spots all over them due to the humid air, and tools and other iron rusts. My engines are covered with sheets and blankets (NOT PLASTIC OR TARPS) to help slow down this process. Bill > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 18 10:52:01 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, At Coolspring they cover all of the exposed metal with a coating of grease as a part of the "winterizing" process. As others have mentioned, the laws of nature are against you unless you can afford to seal and heat the building, and you said that option was off the table. See ya, Arnie On Tue, January 18, 2011 11:53 am, Best, George wrote: > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if > I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 10:52:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C55F1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I was kind of hoping that someone tried using fans and had good luck with that as it seems like one of the cheaper methods. I do spray a lot of WD40 on metal services and it does help some in preventing rust, but does nothing to stop the condensation. My shop building is partitioned off into three rooms and I am planning on clearing out the smallest room and relocating all my machine tools into that room as it could possibly keep some minimal amount of heat in that room and at least protect the machine tools. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop George, At Coolspring they cover all of the exposed metal with a coating of grease as a part of the "winterizing" process. As others have mentioned, the laws of nature are against you unless you can afford to seal and heat the building, and you said that option was off the table. See ya, Arnie This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Jan 18 11:59:38 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:59:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi George, Fans are a good start, but if you do not want fans working all the time you need to set up humidistats to operate the fans, Or else manually monitor the situation. But depending on circumstances that may not be enough. Three things relieve or fix condensation. (1)Air motion with blowers, fans, dehumidifiers or well thought out natural ventilation, (2) Temperature Control, (3) Insulation. And many times a combination of all. And each solution depends on your construction details. What works for one situation may not fix the next. So a lot of details are needed to help you figure out the right solution for you. Everything affects condensation and I mean everything. Temp, humidity, rapid weather swings(As you well know), Concrete, wood, stone or dirt floor. And how was each installed. Building construction, wall construction, insulation types and levels. And this just to get started. Spouting is another important Detail, how is the water run away from the building? First thing I look at is lay of the land around the building and does it have the roof properly spouted. That alone makes a huge difference. You really need to either give us all the details or have a good local with the knowledge come and take a look. This to get an exact fix without just starting to throw fixes at it. That said , you can start playing around with fans or blowers but nothing beats an on the spot inspection so an expert can see at a glance all the details and advise from what they see. You might just need more venting. Who knows. Mark At 11:53 AM 1/18/2011, you wrote: >I know this isn't a problem for some of you. >You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > >However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. >I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part >of the shop if I'm working. > >The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by >warmer weather, >all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > >I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my >other options are. > >I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to >keep the air moving in their buildings, >and that has resolved the problem. > >However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the >time if it isn't needed. > >George > > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jan 18 12:38:29 2011 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:38:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 12:57:43 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:57:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 13:24:59 2011 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:24:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 18 January 2011 20:57, Best, George wrote: > I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. > > But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. Try and keep air changes to a minimum, once the air is low humidity inside, try and keep it that way. Try and keep temperature changes to a minimum by double-glazing windows with sheet polythene and try and set up an air barrier between the walls and the room. Our workshop is unheated (20 X 26) but we don't go in there a lot in the winter as we use the shop at the factory, so we find that it keeps pretty steady temp and humidity as long as we don't leave the door open when we go in. Block/sheet foamed plastics like Polystyrene are good for insulation as has been mentioned, but a simple hanging curtain of sheet plastic can work well if it stops air circulating over the cold walls. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 13:27:12 2011 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:27:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the hard work Spencer. Don't forget, computers make out lives easier ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 18 13:47:30 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:47:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2ec8148dabcebcf85f9beb3507fbc66d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> George, Clearly you need a humanistic approach that will help Obama with both his immigration issues and his horrific unemployment numbers. You need to hire yourself a whole buncha wetbacks. At least two or three per engine should do it. Fix 'em up with a good supply of dry rags and some engine oil. Have them continuously walking around "their" engine looking for condensation. When they see it, out come the dry rags and engine oil. Problem solved. See ya, Arnie On Tue, January 18, 2011 2:59 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Fans are a good start, but if you do not want fans working all the > time you need to set up humidistats to operate the fans, Or else > manually monitor the situation. From langer5 at xplornet.ca Tue Jan 18 16:19:40 2011 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <178CD452C3B94BDA918945CEEEC1D973@larryf92159205> George - The workshop part of my barn is well insulated and I heat it with a wood stove most of the time and I do have a radiant gas heater if I want to keep it heated when away. I find that this part of my barn is worse for condensation than the rest of my barn. If the shop is left unheated and then the weather warms up dramatically all my machine tools will be covered in water as well as the concrete floor. I have exactly the same situation as you, high humidity and drastic changes in temperature. I have a special spray on moisture barrier that hardens up somewhat like very thick grease that I spay on all the machined surfaces of my vertical mill and lathe and keep them covered with this stuff at all times when I'm not using them. Other than using heat and dehumidifiers there is not much else you can do. I find the concrete floor the biggest problem. Larry Anger -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 16:23:46 2011 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:23:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: My new assistant (well not yet) has been taking up a lot of time but I have been making some progress on my 1909 3.5hp Austral. This will be Samuel's engine and has a long way to go but I am making progress: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 19 04:29:11 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:29:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119142238.02b0adc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, I hinted at this mail in another post but here is the full thing. Although many of you probably got it direct I'm forwarding it to the list because I do not know if everyone got it. I remember a few years ago Arnie started something to the effect of members giving up a weekends beer ration and sending it (the cash - not the beer) to the museum when they needed something. How about we do something similar now. Jerry >This is being sent by the museum to all users who have registered on the >Internal Fire site. We have never sent a bulk email like this before so we >apologise in advance! > >For two years we have been working on the large engines for Hall 5 and are >now ready for the roof. See the Hall 5 item on the website. > >However, we are still short of funds to complete, hence this email. > >We hate chasing donations but sometimes you have to just ask and now is >one of those times. 50p, a pound, anything into the pot will assist as the >roof has to be on before the end of Feb!!! > >Donate through http://www.everyclick.com/internalfire/info > >Thanks for your support over the years >Hazel, Paul and the Trustees > >-- >Internal Fire Museum of Power >Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS >http://www.internalfire.com >Tel: 01239 811212 > >MLA Accredited Museum >Registered Charity number 1134971 >A member of the Association of Independent Museums From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 08:29:24 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:29:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: Hi Folks, I think it's wonderful that list members are wanting to contribute to the Internal Fire Museum. I've been there a number of times and am always stunned at what wonderful work Paul and Hazel (and friends) are able to accomplish on a shoestring. If you ever wonder how well a charitable organization uses your contribution, you'll be really hard pressed to find a more efficient organization than Internal Fire. I've found that the easiest way to contribute to Internal Fire is via PayPal. The PayPal address for the museum is paul at semidiesel.com In your comments section mention that the contribution is in response to the Hall 5 Appeal. Or, better yet, become an Annual Member of the museum for a donation of 20 quid (about $32). You can easily select the UK Pound as the currency for the donation in PayPal and they'll do all the conversions. Paul, I just sent my renewal and a bit extra for the Hall 5 Appeal. See ya, Arnie On Wed, January 19, 2011 7:29 am, Jerry Evans wrote: > > I remember a few years ago Arnie started something to the effect > of members giving up a weekends beer ration and sending it (the cash - not > the beer) to the museum when they needed something. How about we do > something similar now. > Jerry > >>This is being sent by the museum to all users who have registered on the >>Internal Fire site. We have never sent a bulk email like this before so we >>apologise in advance! >> >>For two years we have been working on the large engines for Hall 5 and are >>now ready for the roof. See the Hall 5 item on the website. >> >>However, we are still short of funds to complete, hence this email. >> >>We hate chasing donations but sometimes you have to just ask and now is >>one of those times. 50p, a pound, anything into the pot will assist as the >>roof has to be on before the end of Feb!!! >> >>Donate through http://www.everyclick.com/internalfire/info >> >>Thanks for your support over the years >>Hazel, Paul and the Trustees >> >>-- >>Internal Fire Museum of Power >>Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS >>http://www.internalfire.com >>Tel: 01239 811212 >> >>MLA Accredited Museum >>Registered Charity number 1134971 >>A member of the Association of Independent Museums From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 19 09:46:11 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:46:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:29 PM 19/01/2011, Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, >I've found that the easiest way to contribute to Internal Fire is via PayPal. >The PayPal address for the museum is paul at semidiesel.com >See ya, Arnie Thanks for that info Arnie, PayPal is also the easiest for me so I've sent them my 3 week supply of beer money :-) That may sound drastic but bear in mind that I drink Brandy so it won't be too bad :-) Also, good beer is quite cheap here compared to your part of the world - bear that in mind for the SAHOWT !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 10:35:11 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <13a5aa4cb8841e4d43d600cafa3feb1c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Jerry, On Wed, January 19, 2011 12:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > PayPal is also the easiest for me so I've sent them my 3 week > supply of beer money :-) > > That may sound drastic but bear in mind that I drink Brandy so it > won't be too bad :-) Wait, are you saying that since you drink brandy, you don't drink beer and your contribution of "3 week supply of beer money" was actually ZERO???? Pretty cheezy my friend, pretty cheezy! Or are you saying that having contributed your beer money you're now forced to drink only brandy for the next three weeks? If that's the case, I have a simple solution for you. Drink Jacqui's beer for the next three weeks!! 8->> Hi Jacqui!! 8-)) Ya gotta watch us old guys, we're sneaky and tricky. See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 11:31:47 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:31:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: Hi Jacqui, On Wed, January 19, 2011 1:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Actually it WAS Jacqui's supply of beer that I donated but that's > O.K. because she enjoys drinking water - I know this because I told her so > myself. :-) > > > Hi Arnie, Jacqui here. Yes I do enjoy drinking water, I know I do 'cause my > Dad said so ;-(. I know how sneaky you old buggers are, I keep telling him > I can outrun him, but he keeps on reminding me he is much sneakier than I > am!! I guess you get sneakier as you get older ;-). Big hugs and kisses to > you. Love Jacqui > This reminds me of two very important points on life that I feel obligated to share with you... The first relates to running. Once upon a time there was a wise old bull and young stud bull standing at the top of a hill observing a herd of lovely young heifers in the field down below. The young stud bull is bouncing up and down and sez to the wise old bull, "Hey, let's run down there and take one of those lovely young hefiers." The wise old bull smiles, and sez to the youngun, "Son, lets walk down there and take 'em all!" The secound point I feel that I need to share with you (since your dad is obviously giving such POOR advice) concerns water. There was famous wise man here in the states by the name of W. C. Fields < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._C._Fields > who once commented that he never drank water because fish fornicate in it. Words to live by.... 8-)) See ya. Love ya. Arnie PS - Now we just need to get George Best to organize that SAHOWT so that I can return those hugs and kisses in person. 8-)) From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 19 11:25:16 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:25:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D777FE3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Let me get through with the AHOWT 2011 tour first! Actually, unless I retire with lottery winnings I don't think I'll have the time or money to start doing southern hemisphere tours. South Africa would be interesting, and of course Australia would great as we know so many collectors there. Since I'm not getting to do an European engine tour this year, I'm hoping that next year I can do one. Too many places to go and too many people to visit, and not enough time or money...... Sort of like your dilemma of so many beers to drink and only having one mouth ;-) George Ps... see ya at Coolspring in June unless you come out to Tulare in April. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:32 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: Stationary Engine List Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 PS - Now we just need to get George Best to organize that SAHOWT so that I can return those hugs and kisses in person. 8-)) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 20 10:53:21 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Collector Message-ID: <20110120185322.ED76194D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Do any of you fellows know of a Peter Grogan in or around casino NSW? Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 22:06:54 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:06:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill Message-ID: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 20 12:50:42 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:50:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill In-Reply-To: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D8BC6D6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Interesting website. That sawmill is about 20 miles from where I grew up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:07 PM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Thu Jan 20 12:56:02 2011 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill In-Reply-To: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004501cbb8e4$7d056170$77102450$@com> VERY interesting; thanks for sharing! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:07 AM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 20 12:59:10 2011 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:59:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval Message-ID: Guys, Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history focuses on the milk separating equipment. Curt Holland Bessemer City, NC From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Jan 20 13:46:22 2011 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:46:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D38AD2E.2030008@accnorwalk.com> Curt, A lot of the Alpha engines were built by Lauson. Not sure if they all were or not. Doug T curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Guys, > Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. > > Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their > engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they > rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? > > I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the > engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company > website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history > focuses on the milk separating equipment. > > Curt Holland > Bessemer City, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 20 13:53:16 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be converted to this offer). We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite interesting. This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered to the next highest bidder and so on. Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but they need to get that roof up :-) Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute (this is NOT e-Bay). Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal and maybe other options as well. For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce a plate please look at my webpage: P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 20 14:44:46 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:44:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Curt, Most likely your engine was built by Lauson for DeLaval. The Lauson Frost King and the Delaval are identical in most cases. Mark At 03:59 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote: >Guys, >Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. > >Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their >engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they >rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? > >I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the >engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company >website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history >focuses on the milk separating equipment. > >Curt Holland >Bessemer City, NC > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 20 16:32:42 2011 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:32:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: G'Day Curt In Oz Alfa DeLeval sold rebadged Ronaldson & Tippett type N engines, they were painted black and were mainly used in the dairy industry. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/AEPhotos/R&T-N2.JPG Interesting that IHC also sold rebadged type N engines that were painted red Kerry Lithgow NSW OZ http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 20 20:03:54 2011 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:03:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code Message-ID: I can relate to most of these :-) Senior Texting Code Since more and more Seniors are texting and tweeting, there appears to be a need for a STC (Senior Texting Code). If you qualify for Senior Discounts, this is the code for you..... ATD: At The Doctor's BFF: Best Friend Fell BTW: Bring The Wheelchair BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth CBM: Covered By Medicare CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center DWI: Driving While Incontinent FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers FWIW: Forgot Where I Was FYI: Found Your Insulin GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low! GHA: Got Heartburn Again HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On? LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out LOL: Living On Lipitor LWO: Lawrence Welk's On OMMR: On My Massage Recliner OMSG: Oh, My! Sorry.... Gas! ROFL: CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop TTYL: Talk To You Louder WAITT: Who Am I Talking To? WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again WTP: Where's The Prunes? WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil LMGA: Lost My Glasses Again GLKI: Gotta Go ... Laxative Kicking In! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 04:06:04 2011 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:06:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I think this is where the auction stands ? plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster plate #3 - $25 - John Neth plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then sends a reply back to the lists? Great idea Jerry! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com From: jerrye at databak.co.za Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Hi All the good people out there in engine land, Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be converted to this offer). We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite interesting. This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered to the next highest bidder and so on. Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but they need to get that roof up :-) Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute (this is NOT e-Bay). Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal and maybe other options as well. For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce a plate please look at my webpage: P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jan 21 09:10:48 2011 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49F4D2CC50EE465083D9852711D6DB5B@laruecounty.courthouse> You forgot: VNR: Viagra Needs Refilling Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code I can relate to most of these :-) Senior Texting Code Since more and more Seniors are texting and tweeting, there appears to be a need for a STC (Senior Texting Code). If you qualify for Senior Discounts, this is the code for you..... ATD: At The Doctor's BFF: Best Friend Fell BTW: Bring The Wheelchair BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth CBM: Covered By Medicare CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center DWI: Driving While Incontinent FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers FWIW: Forgot Where I Was FYI: Found Your Insulin GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low! GHA: Got Heartburn Again HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On? LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out LOL: Living On Lipitor LWO: Lawrence Welk's On OMMR: On My Massage Recliner OMSG: Oh, My! Sorry.... Gas! ROFL: CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop TTYL: Talk To You Louder WAITT: Who Am I Talking To? WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again WTP: Where's The Prunes? WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil LMGA: Lost My Glasses Again GLKI: Gotta Go ... Laxative Kicking In! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 21 08:39:48 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:39:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Luke, Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine plate of your choice in return. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >I think this is where the auction stands ? > >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >sends a reply back to the lists? >Great idea Jerry! >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > > >---------- >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >From: jerrye at databak.co.za >Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > >Hi All the good people out there in engine land, > > Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward > completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. > > I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold > individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x > 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each > and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve > price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. > > (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be > converted to this offer). > > We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's > just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and > that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite > interesting. > > This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be > treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, > bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to > choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered > to the next highest bidder and so on. > > Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm > (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the > final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of > Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but > they need to get that roof up :-) > > Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not > discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). > > A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could > be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute > (this is NOT e-Bay). > > Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal > and maybe other options as well. > > For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce > a plate please look at my webpage: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > >P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >(5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 21 12:56:08 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:56:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! Sorry Elden. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Hi Luke, Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine plate of your choice in return. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >I think this is where the auction stands ? > >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >sends a reply back to the lists? >Great idea Jerry! >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > > >---------- >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >From: jerrye at databak.co.za >Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > >Hi All the good people out there in engine land, > > Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward > completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. > > I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold > individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x > 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each > and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve > price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. > > (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be > converted to this offer). > > We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's > just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and > that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite > interesting. > > This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be > treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, > bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to > choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered > to the next highest bidder and so on. > > Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm > (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the > final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of > Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but > they need to get that roof up :-) > > Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not > discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). > > A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could > be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute > (this is NOT e-Bay). > > Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal > and maybe other options as well. > > For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce > a plate please look at my webpage: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > >P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >(5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jneth3 at mac.com Fri Jan 21 13:23:02 2011 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I'll raise mine 3 to $30.00 John Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:56 PM, "Best, George" wrote: > I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! > Sorry Elden. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > > Hi Luke, > Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very > important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but > that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. > > Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. > > There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the > higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the > process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. > > So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) > > Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine > plate of your choice in return. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> I think this is where the auction stands ? >> >> plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >> plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >> plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >> plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >> might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >> sends a reply back to the lists? >> Great idea Jerry! >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: jerrye at databak.co.za >> Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >> >> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, >> >> Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward >> completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. >> >> I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold >> individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x >> 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each >> and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve >> price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. >> >> (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be >> converted to this offer). >> >> We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's >> just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and >> that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite >> interesting. >> >> This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be >> treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, >> bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to >> choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered >> to the next highest bidder and so on. >> >> Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm >> (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the >> final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of >> Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but >> they need to get that roof up :-) >> >> Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not >> discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). >> >> A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could >> be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute >> (this is NOT e-Bay). >> >> Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal >> and maybe other options as well. >> >> For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce >> a plate please look at my webpage: >> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >> >> P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >> answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >> version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >> (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jan 21 13:39:04 2011 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:39:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill Message-ID: <19942112.1295645944738.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> That was very enjoyable Arnie. Thanks -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 12:06 AM >To: Old Engine List , Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill > >NEAT!! > >http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm > Tim Christoff From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 21 14:04:55 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:04:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE7D8@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $30 - John Neth >plate #4 - $25 - George Best This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 21 15:16:47 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! Dave On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:23 PM, John Neth wrote: > I'll raise mine 3 to $30.00 > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:56 PM, "Best, George" wrote: > >> I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! >> Sorry Elden. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >> >> Hi Luke, >> Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very >> important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but >> that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. >> >> Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. >> >> There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the >> higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the >> process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. >> >> So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) >> >> Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine >> plate of your choice in return. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> >> >> >> >> At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >>> I think this is where the auction stands ? >>> >>> plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >>> plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >>> plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >>> plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >>> might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >>> sends a reply back to the lists? >>> Great idea Jerry! >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> From: jerrye at databak.co.za >>> Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >>> >>> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, >>> >>> Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward >>> completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. >>> >>> I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold >>> individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x >>> 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each >>> and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve >>> price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. >>> >>> (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be >>> converted to this offer). >>> >>> We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's >>> just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and >>> that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite >>> interesting. >>> >>> This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be >>> treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, >>> bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to >>> choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered >>> to the next highest bidder and so on. >>> >>> Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm >>> (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the >>> final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of >>> Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but >>> they need to get that roof up :-) >>> >>> Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not >>> discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). >>> >>> A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could >>> be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute >>> (this is NOT e-Bay). >>> >>> Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal >>> and maybe other options as well. >>> >>> For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce >>> a plate please look at my webpage: >>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >>> >>> P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >>> answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >>> version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >>> (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 21 15:40:55 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:40:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Message-ID: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Easy Peasy Dave. Bid early. Bid often. Bid against yourself if at all possible. If the whole bidding thing is just too flumoxing, just send money to Internal Fire via PayPal using paul at semidiesel.com as the Send Money recipient. As I said, Easy Peasy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, January 21, 2011 6:16 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: > I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! > Dave From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 21 15:27:52 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:27:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <46396699-F815-4E45-8A71-4856615877DA@me.com> That's fine, but I don't use PayPal. Dave On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Easy Peasy Dave. > > Bid early. > Bid often. > Bid against yourself if at all possible. > If the whole bidding thing is just too flumoxing, > just send money to Internal Fire via PayPal > using paul at semidiesel.com as the Send Money recipient. > > As I said, Easy Peasy. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, January 21, 2011 6:16 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: >> I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! >> Dave From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jan 21 17:45:19 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] forum In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> References: <26C307DA3A7549FEB669082E70B6F94F@carter> <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> Message-ID: <9EC2BF65-8AA1-4DBE-BF04-303D90ED0A9C@atis.net> A few years ago I stopped handling my own email spam detection software. Too much mail and it was consuming too many resources. So I hired Trend Micro to scan my servers' incoming email first for viruses, spam, etc. Only then, after each piece of mail passes, will it send the mail to my server for processing. If Trend Micro only suspects it is spam, but can't rank it high enough to actually reject it, it will add the "spam" tag to the subject line to alert the final recipients. Hope this helps, Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 18:48, John Wilkens wrote: > Don't know about that, but the last message I sent added a "Spam" > note to my email. :( Anyone know what that is about? John W. > > > At 02:50 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >> I get the forbidden error also and the FAQ pages are down too. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gene Dotson >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [AT] forum >> >> >> Same here John. Says I am Forbidden. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john hall" >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:17 PM >> Subject: [AT] forum >> >> >>> Anybody able to get the forum to come up? I've been getting errors the >>> last 2 days. >>> >>> John Hall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 11:20:53 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] forum In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20110122095957.01b5dcd0@eoni.com> References: <26C307DA3A7549FEB669082E70B6F94F@carter> <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> <9EC2BF65-8AA1-4DBE-BF04-303D90ED0A9C@atis.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20110122095957.01b5dcd0@eoni.com> Message-ID: <4D3B2E15.2040804@atis.net> If you look through the archives, you find it added to various posts from time to time. The way most spam filters work is they assign a total "spam score" to an email based on hundreds of different criteria; each of which add "spam points". Some criteria are as simple as: Did the email use the work "Free" too many times. Others are complicated heuristic algorithms. Some are look ups in lists of ISPs and sender addresses that have a history of SPAM. After the scan the total score is compared to a threshold. Above the threshold, the mail is rejected. If an email is just slightly below the score, then they might get the warning tag in the subject like you got. If you will notice, this latest email you sent did not have the "Spam" tag. The short answer is: No, there is not anything I can really do about it short of changing Spam filtering services - but I am sure I would just jump from the frying pan to the fire if I did. They all operate very similarly. As it should not happen very often and because most folks know the tag is a warning only and usually the result of inconsequential use of certain words, or a temporary misconfiguration of your ISPs server; most folks know that does not represent on on-going threat from your PC or ISP or email account. Hope this helps, Spencer On 1/22/2011 1:04 PM, John Wilkens wrote: > Spencer, If the "spam" msg is attached to my emails I'm afraid the > ATIS guys might delete all my messages. :( Is this just a temp. > situation? John W > > > > At 05:45 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >> A few years ago I stopped handling my own email spam detection >> software. Too much mail and it was consuming too many >> resources. So I hired Trend Micro to scan my servers' incoming >> email first for viruses, spam, etc. Only then, after each piece of >> mail passes, will it send the mail to my server for processing. >> >> If Trend Micro only suspects it is spam, but can't rank it high >> enough to actually reject it, it will add the "spam" tag to the >> subject line to alert the final recipients. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 21, 2011, at 18:48, John Wilkens wrote: >> >>> Don't know about that, but the last message I sent added a "Spam" >>> note to my email. :( Anyone know what that is about? John W. >>> >>> >>> At 02:50 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >>>> I get the forbidden error also and the FAQ pages are down too. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Gene Dotson >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] forum >>>> >>>> >>>> Same here John. Says I am Forbidden. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "john hall" >>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:17 PM >>>> Subject: [AT] forum >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anybody able to get the forum to come up? I've been getting errors the >>>>> last 2 days. >>>>> >>>>> John Hall >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >>> In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Jan 22 13:34:57 2011 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:34:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Going down under Message-ID: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. Y'all be good. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5cb180dd2193st01vuc From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 16:43:49 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: Spencer From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 17:13:49 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4D3B80CD.2000704@atis.net> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: Spencer From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 22 18:28:30 2011 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:28:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Going down under References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <7FFD4A0BED644707B9198AC5964208F4@morpheus> Hi Ron, I don't know your destination but watch out for the wetter areas! Possibly further replys will come from Aussie members. Dave Croft. Warrington. http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Going down under > Hi all. > In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down > under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. > Y'all be good. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Globe Life Insurance > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 23 10:06:17 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:06:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: Spencer, One of the greatest gatherings of the OFES is at the Findlay Ohio show the first weekend in August. I think Zolfo Springs in Florida (February? - Dave would know) gets a good SEL turnout. There's also a "Hillbilly Roundup?" or something like that in Kentucky in April that gets a lot of oilfield engine folks. See ya, Arnie On Sat, January 22, 2011 7:43 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: > I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the > number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few > months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the > Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world > leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: > From rotigel at me.com Sun Jan 23 11:55:51 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:55:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: <68B09C13-A914-4DD9-8589-BB115A0285D5@me.com> Zolfo (March 2-6 this year) usually has 5 or 6 SEL members there. However, it's NOT a big oil field engine show. Coolspring, Findlay, or Portland is probably the best bet. Dave On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Spencer, > > One of the greatest gatherings of the OFES is at the Findlay Ohio show the first > weekend in August. I think Zolfo Springs in Florida (February? - Dave would know) > gets a good SEL turnout. There's also a "Hillbilly Roundup?" or something like that > in Kentucky in April that gets a lot of oilfield engine folks. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, January 22, 2011 7:43 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: >> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the >> number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few >> months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the >> Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world >> leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 14:15:57 2011 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light Message-ID: <623618.55921.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:44:06 2011 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:44:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light In-Reply-To: <623618.55921.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <786679.92956.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey SEL ? Just went to You Tube and seen one or 2 just like I'm looking at to buy. they are?the Delco Light plant 32v. Any help on?what there worth would be most appreciated. ? Thanks again, Jim? Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com --- On Sun, 1/23/11, James Yost wrote: From: James Yost Subject: [SEL] Delco light To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:15 PM SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jan 23 18:11:30 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: <20110124021134.C397A947E@smtp.wcoil.com> I'd say get it to Portland Swap meet in May. Unless you want to head south to Florida with it. Mark At 07:43 PM 1/22/2011, you wrote: >I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the >number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few >months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the >Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world >leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: > >Spencer >_______________________________________________ Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au Sun Jan 23 19:02:55 2011 From: service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:02:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Going down under References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> Where are you headed to? coming across to the west?, cheers, Chester from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:34 AM Subject: Going down under > Hi all. > In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down > under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. > Y'all be good. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Globe Life Insurance > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 24 03:39:40 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:39:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Results In-Reply-To: <525290.23868.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110123211937.02c3cce8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks to all for participating. At this stage it looks like the high bids were: a) Alan in Michigan - $ 100.00 b) Jeff Allen - $ 75.00 c) Mike Royster - $ 50.00 d) Dave Carter - $ 50.00 If there are any queries or maybe I missed a bid please contact me immediately. Failing that I'll ask Paul if he is in agreement and then contact the high bidders personally within the next 24 hours. It looks like you've raised $ 275.00 for the roof at Internal Fire shed 5. Thanks guys your generosity is fantastic - I knew that I could rely on the good folk of old engine land. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 24 14:41:26 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:41:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Going down under In-Reply-To: <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <025F7FCC-FAF6-4308-B0AC-06F6078AB468@me.com> I was MORE that glad when I read Ron's post. Given the "subject" I was a bit worried that he intended it for that "adult" list that he is on! Dave PS, Ron, ENJOY your Trip! On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Chester Smith wrote: > Where are you headed to? coming across to the west?, > cheers, > Chester from West Aus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:34 AM > Subject: Going down under > > >> Hi all. >> In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a >> trip down >> under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. >> Cheers. >> Y'all be good. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California USA >> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Globe Life Insurance >> $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ashpow at westnet.com.au Tue Jan 25 00:32:58 2011 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (ashpow at westnet.com.au) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:32:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? Message-ID: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Hey all, I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? Cheers,Ash From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 25 12:15:33 2011 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:15:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light In-Reply-To: <786679.92956.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1781720520.6529651295986533019.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Jim, I own sevaral Delco Plants which are running and with accessories. Also sitting on literature if you need somne. Which model Delco Plant is it???? Curt Andree ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:44:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco light Hey SEL ? Just went to You Tube and seen one or 2 just like I'm looking at to buy. they are?the Delco Light plant 32v. Any help on?what there worth would be most appreciated. ? Thanks again, Jim? Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com --- On Sun, 1/23/11, James Yost wrote: From: James Yost Subject: [SEL] Delco light To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:15 PM SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Jan 25 12:58:23 2011 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Going down under Message-ID: <02DA5D2EF387475695C3AE697A040C56@shed> Ron, don't know if Tasmania is on your itinerary, we are the island state, south of Melbourne. If you are coming this way there is a lot of good and rare iron to see. Happy to help open doors if you want to. Happy and safe travelling. Teddy From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 25 13:27:36 2011 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:27:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? In-Reply-To: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> References: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <104C744F018D48F38B1D6C602686E56B@Stait> Brian Well's Phone number is 02 67608276. He always has a add in the TOMM . Barry & Tanya Stait. Mudgee. NSW. bst41474 at bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? > Hey all, > I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells > in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? > Cheers,Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3401 - Release Date: 01/24/11 > From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jan 25 14:21:21 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> Message-ID: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> When it rains it pours..... My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed (which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. As usual, thanks for your patience.! Spencer On 1/25/2011 7:38 AM, Gayle or Ron Chew wrote: > No traffic on the list. Are we down? > > > > Ron& Gayle > > On the CASE > > Granite Falls WA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 25 15:28:35 2011 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:28:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> Message-ID: <0BDB1CD2FA6E44DABC84ACFB3B093956@morpheus> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] hello? > When it rains it pours..... > My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got > it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference > should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie > receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed > (which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is > cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. > As usual, thanks for your patience.! > Spencer My sympathies for your wallet Spencer. Dave Croft. Warrington. http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 25 17:45:27 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:45:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110126033724.027a8848@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Spencer, I know the feeling !! Thanks for what you do for us and the service you provide us with - a little glitch every now and then is quite acceptable. Over the last 6 years or so that I've been a member of your list I've been able to set my watch to the time that my "SEL Digest" arrives. Thank you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 12:21 AM 26/01/2011, you wrote: >When it rains it pours..... > > >My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got >it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference >should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie >receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed >(which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is >cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. > >As usual, thanks for your patience.! > > >Spencer > >On 1/25/2011 7:38 AM, Gayle or Ron Chew wrote: > > No traffic on the list. Are we down? > > > > > > > > Ron& Gayle > > > > On the CASE > > > > Granite Falls WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Jan 25 22:37:16 2011 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off topic---Horseless vehicles Message-ID: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> http://tinyurl.com/4ktot8u Check this book by Gardner Dexter Hiscox if you have any interest in early auto development. It is around 20mb in size to download. Titled: *Horseless vehicles, automobiles, motor cycles operated by steam, hydro, etc. etc.* Published in 1900. Take care. Ken From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 25 23:47:02 2011 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:47:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> Message-ID: Thank you for all your effort Spencer Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 26 08:43:55 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:43:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Let's NOT do this again! In-Reply-To: <283336878C6342ABA2B00F4EB9480844@JeffPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110123211937.02c3cce8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110126161422.00e05e88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Jeff, I'm sorry that you feel that way but please do not be upset. Allow me to explain a few things first. 1) I know I said I would write to the bidders personally within 24 hours BUT, I was not counting on having the type of day I had yesterday - it was just one of those days where everything went wrong and needed my immediate attention and I could not find the time to write those letters. Then I had a lot of paperwork etc. to do and I had to do it last night. I eventually started writing the letters after midnight last night but only got 2 of them done and I pressed "send" at about 2:30 am this morning - I still had some other paperwork to do and was was just too tired to do any more letters -I eventually got to bed at 4:45 am and thought that I would send the others out today. I did get an e-mail from Paul at Internal Fire and he mentioned that you and one other bidder had already paid (but he did not say how much)and those were the two letters I still needed to write but thought that, seeing as that you had paid already you were happy. It's now 4:30 pm Wednesday here and I only got in to the office and downloaded my mail about 3/4 hour ago and found this mail from you. 2) Re updating the bids, I saw your original mail in this regard but both Luke Tonneberger and George Best sent in regular updates to both lists on status of the bidding so I did not bother to duplicate their posts. Did you not see these ?? 3) Regarding the fact that I said the highest bidders could choose how many they wanted - the rules never changed !! I did realise that this may have caused a bit of confusion but allowed for it in a letter (Off List) to Paul a day before closing - I'll "cut and paste" part of my letter to Paul here: ********** "Also, I did say that the highest bidder could choose how many he wants and then the second highest etc. It may end up a bit confusing - but I could always throw in a few extra if necessary to placate anyone " ********** So you see Jeff, I had made allowance for that and you as the second highest bidder can choose to take 3 plates (or even 4 if you wish) I have no problem with that and the next 2 lower bids will still get their plates and more if they so wish - after all, it just means that Internal Fire will get more money in which makes me very happy. 4) The closing time was 8:00 pm (GMT) (or ZULU time if you prefer the military version) as I stated right from the beginning. The the last 2 bids were from David Carter (which came in almost an hour before closing time) and Alan in Michigan which came into my computer about 2 hours before closing time. I'll paste the headers from their mails below. Both of these went to the Oldengine List so you should have seen them.: ********** From: David Carter To: Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:08:51 +0000 Importance: Normal ************** From: Alan Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sender: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.96.5/12562/Sun Jan 23 19:55:06 2011) (Note from Jerry - we are 2 hours ahead of Zulu) ************** Jeff please let me know how many plates you want and the details - it will be a pleasure to make them for you. I apologise for any confusion and hope that everything is now cleared up . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 04:50 AM 26/01/2011, you wrote: >Howdy all, > >Perhaps a good idea and a generous offer, but it didn't work out well. The >bids should have been updated several times so all would know how bidding >was going. Considering it was on two lists, and I am only on one of them, >I had no idea of the bidding on the other. Perhaps there were no bids on >the SEL cause of past problems with this sort of thing. As I understood >the original terms the high bidder could take one or all of the plates for >the bid on each, as in high bid times four. Seems the terms changed >somewhere along the line. Terms and conditions should not change after the >start of the auction. > >I appreciate what Jerry tried to do, but let's not do it again. I still >haven't heard back. 24 hours must be longer in SA. I've made my donation >and will call it good. I think some bids came in after 20 hours Zulu time, >and that was supposed to be the end. Backup bidder can have my plate. My >moneys in. > >Jeff Allen > >From: Jerry Evans >Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:39 AM >To: >stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; >SEL List >Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Results > >Hi Guys, > Thanks to all for participating. At this stage it looks like the > high bids were: > >a) Alan in Michigan - $ 100.00 >b) Jeff Allen - $ 75.00 >c) Mike Royster - $ 50.00 >d) Dave Carter - $ 50.00 > > If there are any queries or maybe I missed a bid please contact > me immediately. Failing that I'll ask Paul if he is in agreement and then > contact the high bidders personally within the next 24 hours. > > It looks like you've raised $ 275.00 for the roof at Internal > Fire shed 5. Thanks guys your generosity is fantastic - I knew that I > could rely on the good folk of old engine land. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jan 27 05:09:17 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:09:17 EST Subject: [SEL] winter project Message-ID: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Thu Jan 27 05:39:28 2011 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:39:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cbbe27$a631bab0$f2953010$@com> Neat collection & nice display Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 06:37:22 2011 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228487.71748.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Love them. Great job with both the cupboard and the vehicles. ?Ron Perma Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? ? --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: [SEL] winter project To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 8:09 AM _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter? doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from? the 1930's.? They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display? in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy? replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and? grills.? They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at? Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years.? Some were beyond repair, but? I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction.? Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 27 07:26:35 2011 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:26:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Off topic---Horseless vehicles In-Reply-To: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> References: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6EA3B67E-AB3D-47D6-85CA-A64A3325FCF0@rustyiron.com> On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/4ktot8u > > Check this book by Gardner Dexter Hiscox if you have any interest in > early auto development. It is around 20mb in size to download. > > Titled: > > > *Horseless vehicles, automobiles, motor cycles operated by steam, hydro, etc. etc.* > > Published in 1900. > > Take care. > > Ken Thanks, Ken. I've wanted to add that book to my collection, but have never seen one at the price I wanted to pay. Now I don't need to buy it. I found of particular interest the section on the Secor engine. Rob From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 28 14:15:54 2011 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:15:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic toys, great to see some still around.thanks for sharing Russell On 28/01/2011, at 12:09 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) > > Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter > doldrums. > > I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the > 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in > the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy > replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They > were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us > 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the > remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 29 05:18:41 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:18:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic: Mac owners - can you help? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110129144357.00df2950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all the Mac Owners out there, I need to set up 4 words (for a brass plate) in a Font called "Zapfino Extra Pro Regular" ) (or Zapfino Extra Pro Forte) or "Zapfino Extra Std one". This is a commercial font from Linotype and there are no free downloads available of either Windows True Type or Adobe Type 1 fonts. I'm loath to spend the money (quite expensive) to set up 4 words (and sell 1 plate). I believe that the font is standard on Mac computers. Is there a Mac user out there who is relatively proficient at graphics who could set it up for me and mail it to me. (I do not want the whole font - I cannot use it unless it is in Windows True Type format) - just the 4 words. You need to understand a bit about graphics because I want it in a Vector format (that means "lines" not Raster (bitmap/pixels) to all others who are wondering). I need to get it into Corel Draw X14 or my CAD programme as lines so that I can edit it. The easiest file formats that I can import are (.dxf), (.plt), (.wmf), .(cdr - CorelDraw, any version up to X14 but you need to "convert to curves" before saving the file). I can also import Adobe Illustrator (.ai) and (.eps) but sometimes these are saved as "bitmaps" and would not help me - they must retain the vectors (lines) and I do not know how to explain to Mac users the correct way to do this. Also, CorelDraw X14 sometimes has difficulty importing from the very latest versions of Illustrator. Failing all of the above you could set the words up very big and save it as a high resolution .PDF file. Because there are least 4 variations of the Zapfino font - I have put a .jpg sample here of the one I need - those are also the words I need in upper and lower case as per the pic. I could of course just redraw this but it would take me a few hours and I've got a lot of other artwork to draw so It would help a lot if someone could just e-mail this one to me. Many thanks in advance - sorry about the "Off Topic" but it is for a brass spec plate to go into a Bentley car that someone in the USA is building. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sat Jan 29 22:10:41 2011 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:10:41 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 05:19:21 2011 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 05:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Message-ID: <901094.44787.qm@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There is a very nice smaller show at Sandwich, IL on the last weekend in June. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ ? Mapquest shows it to be just 62 miles from the Windy City. (Chicago) ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 1/30/11, k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com wrote: From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Subject: [SEL] engine shows To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 1:10 AM Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jan 30 07:08:25 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction Message-ID: <4D457EE9.2020005@atis.net> Th family of a man who recently passed asked me to post the estate's auction info . Here are the details: fairchildantiquefarmitems.com Usual disclaimer. I don't know the family, the auctioneer, or anything about the items. Though I would not mind owning the SMTA (-: I cross posted to SEL because there seems to be a decent amount of general old farm stuff that they might be interested in, but there seems to be no engine related items. Spencer From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 30 08:52:02 2011 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:52:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] winter project References: Message-ID: <007f01cbc09e$04d206b0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tom, I had to blow up the picture and take a good look, quite a nice collection there! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] winter project > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) > > Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter > doldrums. > > I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from > the > 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in > the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy > replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and > grills. They > were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us > 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the > remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sun Jan 30 12:27:20 2011 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> References: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Message-ID: <83077E93A9CC4C9C8A63CB62E8CF3A69@Eagle> The National Threshers show in Wauseon, Ohio is June 23-26 about 1 hour west of Toledo right next to the Ohio Turnpike exit. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW Bowling Green, Ohio The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:11 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] engine shows Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 31 12:01:58 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:01:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding Message-ID: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for the affected Aussie collectors. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 31 12:49:26 2011 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:49:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? References: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <59A1A45F0FEF48199BE7B91273713DCF@peterlowe> Yes I have dealt with Brian, nice bloke. Brian Wells 1043 Manilla Road, Tamworth, 2340 Australia ph. 02 67608276 Fax 02-67608279 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines > Hey all, > I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells > in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? > Cheers,Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 31 13:50:01 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:50:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> If he is any where near the flood area Mark, my guess is that he is too busy selling boat anchors to answer your e-mails! Dave PS, My hope is that your friend and his collection is OK! On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info > again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria > 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a > collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am > not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due > to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may > be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for > the affected Aussie collectors. Mark > > > > > > Mark Shulaw From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Jan 31 14:41:02 2011 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:41:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4BFA76661D4D4335912EECAEEE7545FB@JBCooper> Hi Mark, Leongatha is on the east coast and being quite hilly it is not subject to much flooding, unlike the northwest of Victoria which is very flat. The water is so slow moving out there that it will take weeks to reach some towns. Swan Hill on the Murray River is expecting the peak over the next day or so. Regards, John Cooper, Bega, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2011 7:02 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for the affected Aussie collectors. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 31 16:25:56 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:25:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> References: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> Message-ID: <20110201002554.07D53947B@smtp.wcoil.com> Boat anchors, thats my guess as well. GRINNN Mark At 04:50 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: >If he is any where near the flood area Mark, my guess is that he is >too busy selling boat anchors to answer your e-mails! > Dave >PS, My hope is that your friend and his collection is OK! > >On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > > > > > Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info > > again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria > > 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a > > collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am > > not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due > > to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may > > be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for > > the affected Aussie collectors. Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Shulaw >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 1 07:39:56 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:39:56 GMT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20110101.103956.20060.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR !! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers." (Ronal Reagan ) ____________________________________________________________ Browse the web faster. Download Chrome Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4b31f2550a5f9aast01vuc From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jan 1 07:44:35 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:44:35 GMT Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT Message-ID: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. No luck ! Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers." (Ronal Reagan ) ____________________________________________________________ Browse the web faster. Download Chrome Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4c2617bbd415630st05vuc From amkimmell at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 07:58:53 2011 From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT Message-ID: <543748317-1293897534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-245912199-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Joe, If it works on high then the fuse is good. More than likely the resistor block has gone bad. It's usually located in the blower box with 4-5 wires coming out of it. -Tony From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sat Jan 1 08:56:43 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:56:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Bad resister block. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From mls543 at ntelos.net Sat Jan 1 09:33:14 2011 From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <4D1F5CCB.2040603@frontier.com> Message-ID: <003601cba9d9$f8664380$e932ca80$@ntelos.net> Got Contact Cleaner ? Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro VA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:57 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Bad resister block. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 09:43:58 2011 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:43:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT In-Reply-To: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: A Tip: I don;t know about Fords - mine never failed - but some (like my wife's) have a relay that fails in the manner you described; i don't think it could be a fuse. Now for general help - AutoZone has a site that has repair info on it and there are many other sites, including YouTube with repair tips and how-to info. AlGore invented the net - Google made it useful. Paul in California - surfing the 'net PS: I used to hang out at the gas station (they used to do repairs) and read manuals to learn what now take a few seconds. Some things are easier in my old age. PPS: Google save over a $Billion a year on income taxes with the "Dutch Sandwich" tax exemptions - so we are paying for this service. From rfinksr at verizon.net Sat Jan 1 11:58:40 2011 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:58:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT References: <20110101.104435.20060.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Joe it is the Resistor i just went through that on my truck. It should be under the hood on the heater box has a plug on it and is mounted with 1 or 2 screws. real buger to get to on my truck. About all the auto parts stores around here carry them. Good luck. R Fink ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Heater Fuse - OT > Does anyone on the list know if there is a fuse for the heater blower on > my > '98 Ford E-250 Box Truck ? > For some reason the "Low" & "Medium" speeds have quit working. Only the > "High" speed works. I have tried to find a fuse in the fuse panel under > the driver's dash and under the hood. > No luck ! > > Thanks. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the > freedoms(_o_) that were intended for us by the Founding > Fathers." > (Ronal Reagan ) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Browse the web faster. Download Chrome > Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1f4c2617bbd415630st05vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Sat Jan 1 16:16:50 2011 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Robert Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:16:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] heater problem Message-ID: <1A3C5830A8D04D1FB0D2FD01043846E7@robertc9dfe3ff> Fuse is o0k. mRTesistor in heater case has fryed. replace resistor From yostsw at atis.net Thu Jan 13 23:17:44 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:17:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... Message-ID: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to bed. More later Spencer Sent from my iPhone From sewell at ohio.edu Fri Jan 14 02:02:45 2011 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: <0F8674EFA3209748AC63E990A6F64CED48C58E7A5B@EXMAIL2.ohio.edu> Looks like you did it!! -steve From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jan 14 05:27:47 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:27:47 EST Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... Message-ID: Thanks Spencer! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 14 07:28:44 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: YEE HAW!!!!! On Fri, January 14, 2011 2:17 am, Spencer Yost wrote: > Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to bed. More > later From mcanady at lilleyinternational.com Fri Jan 14 09:06:27 2011 From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com (Merton Canady) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:06:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? Message-ID: Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 14 09:11:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:11:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... In-Reply-To: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> References: <2727BFFF-75A5-4126-BF66-AB9DB1E0347C@atis.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4BCF21AE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Thanks! Now who's going to start some engine postings and get things going again? George Ps. I've been working on my tractor lately, so don't have any engine things going on unless you count the tractor engine, This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 09:33:11 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:33:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff Message-ID: This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jan 14 09:52:33 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:52:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used www.uship.com before and liked it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:33, "Jim O'Hagan" wrote: > This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers > with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be > more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is > there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west > coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 > 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 14 10:09:43 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:09:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4BCF2459@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Jimmy, The link Spencer posted looks like a good option. What I'm wondering is what engine did you buy now that's worth shipping out from PA? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:33 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] enine stuff This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Jan 14 10:23:38 2011 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 14 10:37:53 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 14 10:56:03 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:56:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 82, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110114204835.01dddec0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/01/2011, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:17:44 -0500 >From: Spencer Yost >Subject: [SEL] Guess what is back... > >Looks like I finally got the lists back. It's late and I am going to >bed. More later >Spencer Thanks Spencer, I've suffered terrible withdrawal symptoms and have taken to drinking heavily and been grumpy and unapproachable since they went down, even to the extent of "kicking the cat", swearing at fools and not brushing my teeth - hopefully my life will now return to normal :-) My daughter will be very happy :-) Thanks again, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jan 14 11:11:37 2011 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:11:37 GMT Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114.141137.29158.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Great Pix, JB. Thanks for sharing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "I think it's time we ask ourselves if we still know the (_o_) freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jan 14 11:32:30 2011 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:32:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <1ca9c.1931820f.3a61fece@aol.com> Ditto, Francis Santa Maria,CA 93454 In a message dated 1/14/2011 11:19:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: Great Pix, JB. Thanks for sharing. From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Jan 14 12:35:06 2011 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:35:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year Message-ID: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> Enjoyed your pictures J.B. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:23:38 -0800 writes: > We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got > done. Here's a link to some pictures. > > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 > > J.B. Castagnos ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d30b3a3cab33beed7cst04vuc From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Jan 14 14:39:55 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:39:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> Merton Canady wrote: > Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... -- Steve W. From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 14 14:55:38 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:55:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27D2792D-1021-415C-9964-931783B96B80@me.com> The server went Tits up--DEAD, TOTALED. It took Spencer a bit more time putting it back together than he thought it would! Dave On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Merton Canady wrote: > Good to see the List back. What Happened? Merton From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Jan 14 15:37:51 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:37:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> Message-ID: <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of gasoline! Mark > > > >Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... > >-- >Steve W. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 14 17:12:45 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! Dave On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > gasoline! Mark > > > >>> >> >> Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... >> >> -- >> Steve W. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 17:38:56 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:38:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110114183715.CEA92950B@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <721B2DEE643846778E3B9BD69DE93D61@VALUED3253602F> Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. It's a 8 horse Fairbanks "N" tank cooled. I think it weighs 1500 Lbs. ish.,4' tall, 4'w. and 5'long .without a tank. I'll keep your email and let you know what happens. Beer money-Absolutely! Thanks Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Jan 14 20:11:01 2011 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:11:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> Message-ID: <4D311E55.1070303@frontier.com> Dave Rotigel wrote: > I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > Dave Sounds like the mix I used to run in my racing sled. It was an Amsoil product and the mix was 100:1 Burned clean and made a lot of power but the fumes would really burn your eyes. They still sell it as Sabre. Full synthetic. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 15 08:56:56 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:56:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> Message-ID: <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > Dave > >On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > > > > > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > > gasoline! Mark > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> Spencer forgot to put oil in the mix of the Maytag power source.... > >> > >> -- > >> Steve W. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jan 15 09:39:31 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:39:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark, Yes, Dave DID say "one cup of oil" but that was for 50,000 gallons of gas, NOT 4,000 gallons. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, January 15, 2011 11:56 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I > still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) > > At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >>I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! >> Dave >> >>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: >> > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix >> > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of >> > gasoline! Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Jan 15 10:26:25 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> Arnie, Well the evil one must have been in a kind mood that day or as he said his memory could be failing as his exact quote was (If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of gasoline! I believe that still "works" Dave ) Email dated and time stamped below. (David Rotigel 08:53 PM 10/18/2010 Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup) So we better start keeping a closer eye on him, we don't want him to have a memory lapse and forget that turning gears is no place for fingers. Or that using a hammer to kill a fly on his friends fore head is not good either. Thats gotta leave a mark. GRINN, No pun intended, Mark At 12:39 PM 1/15/2011, you wrote: >Mark, > >Yes, Dave DID say "one cup of oil" but that was for 50,000 gallons of gas, >NOT 4,000 gallons. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, January 15, 2011 11:56 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Hey!! You yourself gave that recommendation of one cup oil. GRINN I > > still have the posting to the list to prove it. Mark ;-) > > > > At 08:12 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: > >>I keep telling you--it's 1 oz, NOT one cup! > >> Dave > >> > >>On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >> > Spence didn't forgot the oil he just used Dave's oil mix > >> > recommendation. One cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of > >> > gasoline! Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sun Jan 16 06:00:02 2011 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:00:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] enine stuff Message-ID: <59360.21c58dbd.3a6453e2@aol.com> Why dont you get a hold of Bill Hazard he travels west several times through out the year. KK In a message dated 1/14/2011 8:44:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes: Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. It's a 8 horse Fairbanks "N" tank cooled. I think it weighs 1500 Lbs. ish.,4' tall, 4'w. and 5'long .without a tank. I'll keep your email and let you know what happens. Beer money-Absolutely! Thanks Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff Hi Jimmy, I'm in Ohio. If all happens as planned I will be going to the midwest, Minnesota In April and Iowa in May, Can move it that far. Know a couple fellows from Nebraska that will be at those events that I am sure would assist if asked in taking them to Nebraska. Might be some beer money involved. They are always real reasonable, How big is the engine? Mark At 12:33 PM 1/14/2011, you wrote: >This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers >with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be >more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is >there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west >coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 >892 0236 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 10:56:32 2011 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:56:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Message-ID: To my friends on the lists, I want to send my gratitude for your thoughts and prayers and support during the last few weeks. I'm sorry Dawn only got to meet a few of you, she would have loved you all. The flowers were beautiful and someone said that whoever sent them must have really known her well. You all are the greatest, I appreciate all the help and will need it to move forward. Thanks so much, Steve Royster From weolson at wiktel.com Sun Jan 16 15:23:53 2011 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:23:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What Happened? In-Reply-To: <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4D30D0BB.4010203@frontier.com> <20110114233713.1F9AA9532@smtp.wcoil.com> <0602D910-3EE1-4982-94BD-4E91F6616691@me.com> <20110115165618.070229530@smtp.wcoil.com> <20110115182602.96BAB94D1@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1921515139.20110116172353@wiktel.com> Hi Mark, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:26:25 PM, you wrote: MS> Arnie, Well the evil one must have been in a kind mood that day or MS> as he said his memory could be failing as his exact quote was MS> (If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of MS> gasoline! I believe that still "works" Dave ) MS> Email dated and time stamped below. MS> (David Rotigel 08:53 PM 10/18/2010 Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup) MS> So we better start keeping a closer eye on him, we don't want him to MS> have a memory lapse and forget that turning gears is no place for MS> fingers. Or that using a hammer to kill a fly on his friends fore MS> head is not good either. Thats gotta leave a mark. GRINN, MS> No pun intended, Mark Oh, so you've heard the song by Homer & Jethro from years ago, "Mama Get the Hammer, There's a Fly On Papa's Head". I've got it on record, learned a lot from those boys. -- Best Regards, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jan 16 19:10:58 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:10:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details Message-ID: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical details..... The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my home computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, but the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The ATIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a year ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle whatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, but the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these power cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it to the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the motherboard was dead. To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad power supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it didn't matter. It was dead. Thank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, and began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to install a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services running. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list software(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on everything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a tip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of Apache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word to the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software upgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and get that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in less than a week; except for Mailman. While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am working, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am running on about 4 hours a sleep a night. The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman uses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current version of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The previous versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons either, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot of system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of them make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the language. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was stuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved my problems were available. So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded up an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and installed that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of normal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, import statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this point, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks inside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were some re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. This ended up taking me a few days. In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and should serve us for years to come. I think I am going to get more sleep now..... Spencer From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jan 16 19:39:13 2011 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:39:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: <99E5A6EB-9798-414B-8F1E-F88B3118DACF@scrtc.com> Wow Spencer, a lot of work so we can continue to enjoy the SEL. THANK YOU! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. > > Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical > details..... > > The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my > home computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, > but the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The > ATIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a > year ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle > whatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, > but the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these > power cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it > to the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the > motherboard was dead. > > To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad > power supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it > didn't matter. It was dead. > > > Thank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. > > I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, > and began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to > install a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services > running. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list > software(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on > everything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a > tip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of > Apache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word > to the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software > upgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and > get that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in > less than a week; except for Mailman. > > While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am > working, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am > running on about 4 hours a sleep a night. > > The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman > uses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current > version of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The > previous versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons > either, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot > of system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of > them make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the > language. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was > stuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved > my problems were available. > > So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded > up an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and > installed that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of > normal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, > import statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this > point, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks > inside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were > some re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. > This ended up taking me a few days. > > In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and > should serve us for years to come. > > > I think I am going to get more sleep now..... > > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From maytagtwin at aol.com Sun Jan 16 20:33:50 2011 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:33:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: <8CD8416DF818CD0-980-DE9E@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Spencer, Thank you. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Yost To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:10 pm Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details First - I appreciate all the "Thank you"s - They do mean a lot. Here is the full story, for anyone who is interested in ugly technical etails..... The server went down the evening of 1-3, but interestingly so did my ome computer (on the same power backup). The power backup was fried, ut the house computer came back up when plugged into the wall. The TIS server did not. I replaced the ATIS server power supply about a ear ago, so I figured the cheap Chinese replacement couldn't handle hatever the power backup did. So I replaced the power supply again, ut the server would only boot intermittently. After a few of these ower cycles, it wouldn't even boot. In the afternoon of 1-4 I took it o the local techs and a quick check of the motherboard confirmed the otherboard was dead. To be honest, I don't know if the power backup fried the board, or a bad ower supply fried the power backup and the board. In the end, it idn't matter. It was dead. hank Goodness data was OK, as disk was good. I bought a new server on 1-5, installed the old drive along the new one, nd began the process of re-building. It only took me a few days to nstall a new operating system, get my security, BIND and mail services unning. But I ran into serious problems with the mailing list oftware(Mailman). So I punted Mailman for the moment and worked on verything else. Within another day I had web services up. BTW - as a ip to all the other systems folks reading on: The latest version of pache and PHP do NOT work together on Fedora 14 machines. Just a word o the wise (-: Within another day I had the database software pgraded and that meant I could upgrade the bulletin board software and et that running. So for all intents and purpose the system was up in ess than a week; except for Mailman. While I luckily had a vacation day 1-4, the rest of the time I am orking, and commuting, a total of 12 hours a day. So by now, I am unning on about 4 hours a sleep a night. The mailing list software was another matter. The language Mailman ses is called python. Unfortunately, they never updated the current ersion of Mailman to use the most current versions of python. The revious versions of Mailman obviously didn't support the new pythons ither, so downgrading python was the only answer. Unfortunately a lot f system utility, scripts, and other software use python, and many of hem make use of the newer features in the latest versions of the anguage. So downgrading ended up not being a possibility. I was tuck - no way to downgrade either software, and no upgrades that solved y problems were available. So my only option was to run parallel copies of python. So I rounded p an old copy of python that was compatible with Mailman and built and nstalled that in a completely separate directory structure, outside of ormal system paths. Then I modified all the headers, make files, mport statements, etc in Mailman to use that parallel copy. At this oint, Mailman was working but required extensive additional tweaks nside a bunch of other utilities it includes. In addition, there were ome re-configurations of both the old version of python and Mailman. his ended up taking me a few days. In the end - the system is a BUNCH faster, very, very up to date, and hould serve us for years to come. think I am going to get more sleep now..... pencer ______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel = From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Jan 16 20:53:56 2011 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:53:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] enine stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F15BADDC0114201959CB27D5DA1AC2F@VALUED3253602F> Spencer, Thank you for the shipping recommendation. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:53 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] enine stuff I've used www.uship.com before and liked it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:33, "Jim O'Hagan" wrote: > This is on subject.,I think. Are there any web-sights that connects haulers > with shippers .? I know about Harrys and use it ,but there has got to be > more. I have a engine in York Pa. that will be in Ohio next week ,I hope. Is > there a network that I can tap into ,to keep it moving towards the west > coast [northern Ca.] Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 > 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at ohio.edu Sun Jan 16 23:27:36 2011 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:27:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Busy new year In-Reply-To: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> References: <20110114132338.9CB2A.4372763.root@mp16> Message-ID: <0F8674EFA3209748AC63E990A6F64CED48D40B8514@EXMAIL2.ohio.edu> GREAT stuff J.B. Thanks!! -steve ________________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net [jbcast at charter.net] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Busy new year We had a work day at the shop last week, a lot going on and a lot got done. Here's a link to some pictures. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/140985.html#POST34305 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jan 17 05:48:08 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:48:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details Message-ID: Spencer, My feeble minded brain does not comprehend anything you said except everything was fried! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 17 17:58:18 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:58:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D34D4B2.3090207@frontier.com> References: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> <4D33CC19.4050504@frontier.com> <4D343DF3.18353.1AC48A@weeksh.att.net> <4D34D4B2.3090207@frontier.com> Message-ID: As I said in the begining the thing went TITS UP! What more does anyone have to know? Dave PS, What part of TITS UP does this group not understand? On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Howard Weeks wrote: >> There has been a movement among those that sell "services" to us >> computer users to get funtionality and data off our PCs and into >> their paid (off site to us) domain. >> >> Common examples include: >> >> web based email, >> offsite backup, >> photo storage, >> all types of offsite serving of applications and related data, >> and many others. >> >> That is why mainframes died off in the 80s when the PCs became >> affordable for the average user. The mainframe world was not >> responsive to the average user and the cost was prohibitive. >> >> To the extent that people fall for this sales pitch, they should >> watch their billfolds very carefully. In addition, they will have >> very limited ownership and control of their data that is offsite. >> >> I understand that there are real advantages to some of these examples >> but I will not use them because of the ownership and control issues. >> >> There is no way in hell that I am going to move in that direction. >> >> Howard in GA > > Take a look at Googles new OS. The entire thing runs in the "cloud" all > your applications and such are on their servers, so is all your work, > data and anything else. Not something I'm interested in. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jan 17 20:04:54 2011 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:04:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way registry Message-ID: <4D351166.1000600@coastalnet.com> I was just made aware of another website with a lot of New Way information which includes a registry and serial number list. It has been added to the resources page at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/ Click on the "Serial Number Lists and Registries" link. Take care. Ken From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 08:53:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I know this isn't a problem for some of you. You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, and that has resolved the problem. However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 18 09:16:36 2011 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <010401cbb733$766d49c0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> It can be a big problem. On warm days after cold snaps, the Tod Engine will shed between 50 to 100 gallons of water. I have given up on any ideas of stopping this. I just make sure all bright surfaces are painted or covered with oil. In small spaces perhaps a couple of dehumidifiers may help out. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop >I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jan 18 09:14:32 2011 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:14:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I feel your pain George as I spent 8 years in your neck of the woods. I'd say seal off as best you can and install a BIG de-humidifier. Heavy on the big. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jan 18 09:56:19 2011 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:56:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4eeede8643124ff77a08c49e7a68ee9e.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Warm air can hold more humidity......... when that warm air with more moisture touches something cold, it has to give up some of that moisture... like a sweating window in the winter. 2 choices - keep it a more even temp as much as possible, or dehumidify, ok, so 3 - minimize outside air infiltration. I live in humid hot and cold Iowa - I feel your pain! I have had car seats get spots all over them due to the humid air, and tools and other iron rusts. My engines are covered with sheets and blankets (NOT PLASTIC OR TARPS) to help slow down this process. Bill > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the > shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer > weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with > condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other > options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the > air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if > it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 18 10:52:01 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, At Coolspring they cover all of the exposed metal with a coating of grease as a part of the "winterizing" process. As others have mentioned, the laws of nature are against you unless you can afford to seal and heat the building, and you said that option was off the table. See ya, Arnie On Tue, January 18, 2011 11:53 am, Best, George wrote: > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if > I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 10:52:50 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C55F1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I was kind of hoping that someone tried using fans and had good luck with that as it seems like one of the cheaper methods. I do spray a lot of WD40 on metal services and it does help some in preventing rust, but does nothing to stop the condensation. My shop building is partitioned off into three rooms and I am planning on clearing out the smallest room and relocating all my machine tools into that room as it could possibly keep some minimal amount of heat in that room and at least protect the machine tools. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop George, At Coolspring they cover all of the exposed metal with a coating of grease as a part of the "winterizing" process. As others have mentioned, the laws of nature are against you unless you can afford to seal and heat the building, and you said that option was off the table. See ya, Arnie This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Jan 18 11:59:38 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:59:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi George, Fans are a good start, but if you do not want fans working all the time you need to set up humidistats to operate the fans, Or else manually monitor the situation. But depending on circumstances that may not be enough. Three things relieve or fix condensation. (1)Air motion with blowers, fans, dehumidifiers or well thought out natural ventilation, (2) Temperature Control, (3) Insulation. And many times a combination of all. And each solution depends on your construction details. What works for one situation may not fix the next. So a lot of details are needed to help you figure out the right solution for you. Everything affects condensation and I mean everything. Temp, humidity, rapid weather swings(As you well know), Concrete, wood, stone or dirt floor. And how was each installed. Building construction, wall construction, insulation types and levels. And this just to get started. Spouting is another important Detail, how is the water run away from the building? First thing I look at is lay of the land around the building and does it have the roof properly spouted. That alone makes a huge difference. You really need to either give us all the details or have a good local with the knowledge come and take a look. This to get an exact fix without just starting to throw fixes at it. That said , you can start playing around with fans or blowers but nothing beats an on the spot inspection so an expert can see at a glance all the details and advise from what they see. You might just need more venting. Who knows. Mark At 11:53 AM 1/18/2011, you wrote: >I know this isn't a problem for some of you. >You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > >However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. >I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part >of the shop if I'm working. > >The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by >warmer weather, >all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > >I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my >other options are. > >I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to >keep the air moving in their buildings, >and that has resolved the problem. > >However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the >time if it isn't needed. > >George > > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jan 18 12:38:29 2011 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:38:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jan 18 12:57:43 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:57:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 13:24:59 2011 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:24:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 18 January 2011 20:57, Best, George wrote: > I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. > > But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. Try and keep air changes to a minimum, once the air is low humidity inside, try and keep it that way. Try and keep temperature changes to a minimum by double-glazing windows with sheet polythene and try and set up an air barrier between the walls and the room. Our workshop is unheated (20 X 26) but we don't go in there a lot in the winter as we use the shop at the factory, so we find that it keeps pretty steady temp and humidity as long as we don't leave the door open when we go in. Block/sheet foamed plastics like Polystyrene are good for insulation as has been mentioned, but a simple hanging curtain of sheet plastic can work well if it stops air circulating over the cold walls. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 13:27:12 2011 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:27:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Atis outage - the details In-Reply-To: <4D33B342.1060607@atis.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the hard work Spencer. Don't forget, computers make out lives easier ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jan 18 13:47:30 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:47:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20110118195934.A224494FD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2ec8148dabcebcf85f9beb3507fbc66d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> George, Clearly you need a humanistic approach that will help Obama with both his immigration issues and his horrific unemployment numbers. You need to hire yourself a whole buncha wetbacks. At least two or three per engine should do it. Fix 'em up with a good supply of dry rags and some engine oil. Have them continuously walking around "their" engine looking for condensation. When they see it, out come the dry rags and engine oil. Problem solved. See ya, Arnie On Tue, January 18, 2011 2:59 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Fans are a good start, but if you do not want fans working all the > time you need to set up humidistats to operate the fans, Or else > manually monitor the situation. From langer5 at xplornet.ca Tue Jan 18 16:19:40 2011 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20110114.123515.950.6606@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D5C5065@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><8F44BAB7-5302-4BD1-AD2B-65C2081D5CEC@herculesengines.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D6A10DB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <178CD452C3B94BDA918945CEEEC1D973@larryf92159205> George - The workshop part of my barn is well insulated and I heat it with a wood stove most of the time and I do have a radiant gas heater if I want to keep it heated when away. I find that this part of my barn is worse for condensation than the rest of my barn. If the shop is left unheated and then the weather warms up dramatically all my machine tools will be covered in water as well as the concrete floor. I have exactly the same situation as you, high humidity and drastic changes in temperature. I have a special spray on moisture barrier that hardens up somewhat like very thick grease that I spay on all the machined surfaces of my vertical mill and lathe and keep them covered with this stuff at all times when I'm not using them. Other than using heat and dehumidifiers there is not much else you can do. I find the concrete floor the biggest problem. Larry Anger -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop I have concrete floors and somewhat insulated walls in my main shop area. But it is an unheated building 99% of the time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:38 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Condensation problem in shop Around our parts the roof needs to be insulated, even if it's just the 1/4" of bubble wrap looking stuff. The other thing is to install a vapor barrier under the floor. Keith On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know this isn't a problem for some of you. > You may live in a dry climate or may have a heated shop building. > > However, in my case I have an unheated shop building in a wet climate. > I do have a wood stove that gets used occasionally to warm up part of the shop if I'm working. > > The problem is especially after periods of cold weather followed by warmer weather, > all the metal (machine tools, engines, etc) will be covered with condensation. > > I can't afford to keep a 30x60 building heated so wonder what my other options are. > > I've read some people have had luck using ceiling or box fans to keep the air moving in their buildings, > and that has resolved the problem. > > However, I don't want to be running fans in the building all the time if it isn't needed. > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 16:23:46 2011 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:23:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: My new assistant (well not yet) has been taking up a lot of time but I have been making some progress on my 1909 3.5hp Austral. This will be Samuel's engine and has a long way to go but I am making progress: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 19 04:29:11 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:29:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119142238.02b0adc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, I hinted at this mail in another post but here is the full thing. Although many of you probably got it direct I'm forwarding it to the list because I do not know if everyone got it. I remember a few years ago Arnie started something to the effect of members giving up a weekends beer ration and sending it (the cash - not the beer) to the museum when they needed something. How about we do something similar now. Jerry >This is being sent by the museum to all users who have registered on the >Internal Fire site. We have never sent a bulk email like this before so we >apologise in advance! > >For two years we have been working on the large engines for Hall 5 and are >now ready for the roof. See the Hall 5 item on the website. > >However, we are still short of funds to complete, hence this email. > >We hate chasing donations but sometimes you have to just ask and now is >one of those times. 50p, a pound, anything into the pot will assist as the >roof has to be on before the end of Feb!!! > >Donate through http://www.everyclick.com/internalfire/info > >Thanks for your support over the years >Hazel, Paul and the Trustees > >-- >Internal Fire Museum of Power >Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS >http://www.internalfire.com >Tel: 01239 811212 > >MLA Accredited Museum >Registered Charity number 1134971 >A member of the Association of Independent Museums From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 08:29:24 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:29:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: Hi Folks, I think it's wonderful that list members are wanting to contribute to the Internal Fire Museum. I've been there a number of times and am always stunned at what wonderful work Paul and Hazel (and friends) are able to accomplish on a shoestring. If you ever wonder how well a charitable organization uses your contribution, you'll be really hard pressed to find a more efficient organization than Internal Fire. I've found that the easiest way to contribute to Internal Fire is via PayPal. The PayPal address for the museum is paul at semidiesel.com In your comments section mention that the contribution is in response to the Hall 5 Appeal. Or, better yet, become an Annual Member of the museum for a donation of 20 quid (about $32). You can easily select the UK Pound as the currency for the donation in PayPal and they'll do all the conversions. Paul, I just sent my renewal and a bit extra for the Hall 5 Appeal. See ya, Arnie On Wed, January 19, 2011 7:29 am, Jerry Evans wrote: > > I remember a few years ago Arnie started something to the effect > of members giving up a weekends beer ration and sending it (the cash - not > the beer) to the museum when they needed something. How about we do > something similar now. > Jerry > >>This is being sent by the museum to all users who have registered on the >>Internal Fire site. We have never sent a bulk email like this before so we >>apologise in advance! >> >>For two years we have been working on the large engines for Hall 5 and are >>now ready for the roof. See the Hall 5 item on the website. >> >>However, we are still short of funds to complete, hence this email. >> >>We hate chasing donations but sometimes you have to just ask and now is >>one of those times. 50p, a pound, anything into the pot will assist as the >>roof has to be on before the end of Feb!!! >> >>Donate through http://www.everyclick.com/internalfire/info >> >>Thanks for your support over the years >>Hazel, Paul and the Trustees >> >>-- >>Internal Fire Museum of Power >>Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS >>http://www.internalfire.com >>Tel: 01239 811212 >> >>MLA Accredited Museum >>Registered Charity number 1134971 >>A member of the Association of Independent Museums From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 19 09:46:11 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:46:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:29 PM 19/01/2011, Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, >I've found that the easiest way to contribute to Internal Fire is via PayPal. >The PayPal address for the museum is paul at semidiesel.com >See ya, Arnie Thanks for that info Arnie, PayPal is also the easiest for me so I've sent them my 3 week supply of beer money :-) That may sound drastic but bear in mind that I drink Brandy so it won't be too bad :-) Also, good beer is quite cheap here compared to your part of the world - bear that in mind for the SAHOWT !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 10:35:11 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:35:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110119193713.02aebf38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <13a5aa4cb8841e4d43d600cafa3feb1c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Jerry, On Wed, January 19, 2011 12:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > PayPal is also the easiest for me so I've sent them my 3 week > supply of beer money :-) > > That may sound drastic but bear in mind that I drink Brandy so it > won't be too bad :-) Wait, are you saying that since you drink brandy, you don't drink beer and your contribution of "3 week supply of beer money" was actually ZERO???? Pretty cheezy my friend, pretty cheezy! Or are you saying that having contributed your beer money you're now forced to drink only brandy for the next three weeks? If that's the case, I have a simple solution for you. Drink Jacqui's beer for the next three weeks!! 8->> Hi Jacqui!! 8-)) Ya gotta watch us old guys, we're sneaky and tricky. See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 11:31:47 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:31:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 Message-ID: Hi Jacqui, On Wed, January 19, 2011 1:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Actually it WAS Jacqui's supply of beer that I donated but that's > O.K. because she enjoys drinking water - I know this because I told her so > myself. :-) > > > Hi Arnie, Jacqui here. Yes I do enjoy drinking water, I know I do 'cause my > Dad said so ;-(. I know how sneaky you old buggers are, I keep telling him > I can outrun him, but he keeps on reminding me he is much sneakier than I > am!! I guess you get sneakier as you get older ;-). Big hugs and kisses to > you. Love Jacqui > This reminds me of two very important points on life that I feel obligated to share with you... The first relates to running. Once upon a time there was a wise old bull and young stud bull standing at the top of a hill observing a herd of lovely young heifers in the field down below. The young stud bull is bouncing up and down and sez to the wise old bull, "Hey, let's run down there and take one of those lovely young hefiers." The wise old bull smiles, and sez to the youngun, "Son, lets walk down there and take 'em all!" The secound point I feel that I need to share with you (since your dad is obviously giving such POOR advice) concerns water. There was famous wise man here in the states by the name of W. C. Fields < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._C._Fields > who once commented that he never drank water because fish fornicate in it. Words to live by.... 8-)) See ya. Love ya. Arnie PS - Now we just need to get George Best to organize that SAHOWT so that I can return those hugs and kisses in person. 8-)) From George_Best at adp.com Wed Jan 19 11:25:16 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:25:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D777FE3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Let me get through with the AHOWT 2011 tour first! Actually, unless I retire with lottery winnings I don't think I'll have the time or money to start doing southern hemisphere tours. South Africa would be interesting, and of course Australia would great as we know so many collectors there. Since I'm not getting to do an European engine tour this year, I'm hoping that next year I can do one. Too many places to go and too many people to visit, and not enough time or money...... Sort of like your dilemma of so many beers to drink and only having one mouth ;-) George Ps... see ya at Coolspring in June unless you come out to Tulare in April. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:32 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: Stationary Engine List Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Internal Fire Museum of Power - Hall 5 PS - Now we just need to get George Best to organize that SAHOWT so that I can return those hugs and kisses in person. 8-)) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 20 10:53:21 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Collector Message-ID: <20110120185322.ED76194D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Do any of you fellows know of a Peter Grogan in or around casino NSW? Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jan 19 22:06:54 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:06:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill Message-ID: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm From George_Best at adp.com Thu Jan 20 12:50:42 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:50:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill In-Reply-To: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D8BC6D6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Interesting website. That sawmill is about 20 miles from where I grew up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:07 PM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Thu Jan 20 12:56:02 2011 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill In-Reply-To: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <8fcc6881f21f8e60e725ff9211d1624c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004501cbb8e4$7d056170$77102450$@com> VERY interesting; thanks for sharing! Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:07 AM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill NEAT!! http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 20 12:59:10 2011 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:59:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval Message-ID: Guys, Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history focuses on the milk separating equipment. Curt Holland Bessemer City, NC From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Jan 20 13:46:22 2011 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:46:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D38AD2E.2030008@accnorwalk.com> Curt, A lot of the Alpha engines were built by Lauson. Not sure if they all were or not. Doug T curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Guys, > Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. > > Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their > engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they > rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? > > I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the > engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company > website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history > focuses on the milk separating equipment. > > Curt Holland > Bessemer City, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jan 20 13:53:16 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be converted to this offer). We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite interesting. This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered to the next highest bidder and so on. Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but they need to get that roof up :-) Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute (this is NOT e-Bay). Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal and maybe other options as well. For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce a plate please look at my webpage: P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 20 14:44:46 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:44:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Curt, Most likely your engine was built by Lauson for DeLaval. The Lauson Frost King and the Delaval are identical in most cases. Mark At 03:59 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote: >Guys, >Been a while since I've posted anything on the SEL. > >Any Alfa DeLaval experts out there? I'm curious to know where their >engines were made. Did Alfa DeLeval make their own engines, or were they >rebadged engines of some other manufacturer? > >I'm working on a Alfa Laval heat exchanger and I'm curious about how the >engine history fits into the company. The history posted on the company >website completely omits the engine portion of the business. That history >focuses on the milk separating equipment. > >Curt Holland >Bessemer City, NC > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 20 16:32:42 2011 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:32:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alfa DeLaval In-Reply-To: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110120224446.ECF949519@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: G'Day Curt In Oz Alfa DeLeval sold rebadged Ronaldson & Tippett type N engines, they were painted black and were mainly used in the dairy industry. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/AEPhotos/R&T-N2.JPG Interesting that IHC also sold rebadged type N engines that were painted red Kerry Lithgow NSW OZ http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jan 20 20:03:54 2011 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:03:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code Message-ID: I can relate to most of these :-) Senior Texting Code Since more and more Seniors are texting and tweeting, there appears to be a need for a STC (Senior Texting Code). If you qualify for Senior Discounts, this is the code for you..... ATD: At The Doctor's BFF: Best Friend Fell BTW: Bring The Wheelchair BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth CBM: Covered By Medicare CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center DWI: Driving While Incontinent FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers FWIW: Forgot Where I Was FYI: Found Your Insulin GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low! GHA: Got Heartburn Again HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On? LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out LOL: Living On Lipitor LWO: Lawrence Welk's On OMMR: On My Massage Recliner OMSG: Oh, My! Sorry.... Gas! ROFL: CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop TTYL: Talk To You Louder WAITT: Who Am I Talking To? WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again WTP: Where's The Prunes? WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil LMGA: Lost My Glasses Again GLKI: Gotta Go ... Laxative Kicking In! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 04:06:04 2011 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:06:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I think this is where the auction stands ? plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster plate #3 - $25 - John Neth plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then sends a reply back to the lists? Great idea Jerry! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com From: jerrye at databak.co.za Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Hi All the good people out there in engine land, Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be converted to this offer). We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite interesting. This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered to the next highest bidder and so on. Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but they need to get that roof up :-) Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute (this is NOT e-Bay). Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal and maybe other options as well. For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce a plate please look at my webpage: P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jan 21 09:10:48 2011 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49F4D2CC50EE465083D9852711D6DB5B@laruecounty.courthouse> You forgot: VNR: Viagra Needs Refilling Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O/T Senior Texting Code I can relate to most of these :-) Senior Texting Code Since more and more Seniors are texting and tweeting, there appears to be a need for a STC (Senior Texting Code). If you qualify for Senior Discounts, this is the code for you..... ATD: At The Doctor's BFF: Best Friend Fell BTW: Bring The Wheelchair BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth CBM: Covered By Medicare CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center DWI: Driving While Incontinent FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers FWIW: Forgot Where I Was FYI: Found Your Insulin GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low! GHA: Got Heartburn Again HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On? LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out LOL: Living On Lipitor LWO: Lawrence Welk's On OMMR: On My Massage Recliner OMSG: Oh, My! Sorry.... Gas! ROFL: CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop TTYL: Talk To You Louder WAITT: Who Am I Talking To? WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again WTP: Where's The Prunes? WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil LMGA: Lost My Glasses Again GLKI: Gotta Go ... Laxative Kicking In! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jan 21 08:39:48 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:39:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Luke, Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine plate of your choice in return. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >I think this is where the auction stands ? > >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >sends a reply back to the lists? >Great idea Jerry! >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > > >---------- >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >From: jerrye at databak.co.za >Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > >Hi All the good people out there in engine land, > > Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward > completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. > > I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold > individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x > 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each > and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve > price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. > > (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be > converted to this offer). > > We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's > just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and > that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite > interesting. > > This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be > treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, > bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to > choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered > to the next highest bidder and so on. > > Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm > (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the > final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of > Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but > they need to get that roof up :-) > > Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not > discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). > > A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could > be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute > (this is NOT e-Bay). > > Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal > and maybe other options as well. > > For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce > a plate please look at my webpage: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > >P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >(5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 21 12:56:08 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:56:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! Sorry Elden. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Hi Luke, Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine plate of your choice in return. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >I think this is where the auction stands ? > >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >sends a reply back to the lists? >Great idea Jerry! >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > > >---------- >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >From: jerrye at databak.co.za >Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > >Hi All the good people out there in engine land, > > Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward > completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. > > I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold > individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x > 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each > and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve > price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. > > (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be > converted to this offer). > > We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's > just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and > that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite > interesting. > > This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be > treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, > bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to > choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered > to the next highest bidder and so on. > > Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm > (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the > final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of > Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but > they need to get that roof up :-) > > Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not > discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). > > A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could > be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute > (this is NOT e-Bay). > > Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal > and maybe other options as well. > > For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce > a plate please look at my webpage: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > >P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >(5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jneth3 at mac.com Fri Jan 21 13:23:02 2011 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I'll raise mine 3 to $30.00 John Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:56 PM, "Best, George" wrote: > I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! > Sorry Elden. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! > > Hi Luke, > Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very > important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but > that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. > > Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. > > There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the > higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the > process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. > > So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) > > Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine > plate of your choice in return. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> I think this is where the auction stands ? >> >> plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >> plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >> plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >> plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >> might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >> sends a reply back to the lists? >> Great idea Jerry! >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: jerrye at databak.co.za >> Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >> >> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, >> >> Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward >> completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. >> >> I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold >> individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x >> 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each >> and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve >> price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. >> >> (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be >> converted to this offer). >> >> We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's >> just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and >> that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite >> interesting. >> >> This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be >> treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, >> bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to >> choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered >> to the next highest bidder and so on. >> >> Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm >> (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the >> final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of >> Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but >> they need to get that roof up :-) >> >> Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not >> discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). >> >> A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could >> be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute >> (this is NOT e-Bay). >> >> Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal >> and maybe other options as well. >> >> For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce >> a plate please look at my webpage: >> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >> >> P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >> answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >> version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >> (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jan 21 13:39:04 2011 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:39:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill Message-ID: <19942112.1295645944738.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> That was very enjoyable Arnie. Thanks -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 12:06 AM >To: Old Engine List , Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Old Steam Powered Sawmill > >NEAT!! > >http://www.garymkatz.com/OnTheRoad/HullOaks.htm > Tim Christoff From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jan 21 14:04:55 2011 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:04:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE7D8@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> >plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >plate #3 - $30 - John Neth >plate #4 - $25 - George Best This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 21 15:16:47 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110120224416.00e16180@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110121183045.00df8ee8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4D9FE556@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! Dave On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:23 PM, John Neth wrote: > I'll raise mine 3 to $30.00 > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:56 PM, "Best, George" wrote: > >> I'll raise the price of #4 to $25! >> Sorry Elden. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:40 AM >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >> >> Hi Luke, >> Thanks but I think that you and others may be missing a very >> important point. It's great that Jeff and Mike went high (thanks guys) but >> that may frighten off other potential bidders when they see the high price. >> >> Remember that this is not eBay and that there are 4 plates on offer. >> >> There is nothing stopping anyone putting in a lower bid than the >> higher bids and try to obtain one of the lower priced plates and in the >> process pushing up the donation to Internal Fire. >> >> So guys, start a bidding war lower down and push those prices up :-) >> >> Think of it as a donation to the museum and you'll get an engine >> plate of your choice in return. >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> >> >> >> >> At 02:06 PM 21/01/2011, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >>> I think this is where the auction stands ? >>> >>> plate #1 - $75 - Jeff Allen >>> plate #2 - $50 - Mike Royster >>> plate #3 - $25 - John Neth >>> plate #4 - $10 - Elden Durand >>> might be easier to keep track if a bidder edits the price and name, then >>> sends a reply back to the lists? >>> Great idea Jerry! >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:53:16 +0200 >>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> From: jerrye at databak.co.za >>> Subject: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! >>> >>> Hi All the good people out there in engine land, >>> >>> Further to the appeal from Internal Fire Museum for funds toward >>> completing the roof on Shed 5 I'd like to offer the following small incentive. >>> >>> I'll auction 4 of my smaller size etched brass plates to be sold >>> individually and the total proceeds will go to the museum. (Up to 100mm x >>> 60mm - give or take a bit - my normal selling price is US$ 20.00 each >>> and I'll pay the postage to anywhere in the world). There is NO reserve >>> price - bid what you like - it's for a good cause and fun. >>> >>> (One Condition - no existing orders already placed with me can be >>> converted to this offer). >>> >>> We do not really have the time or means for an auction but let's >>> just say that he 4 best offers will be the winners of one plate each and >>> that all offers MUST be made ON the lists. That should make it quite >>> interesting. >>> >>> This is going to both S.E.L. & Oldengine lists and will be >>> treated as one offer/auction of 4 plates between the lists. Remember, >>> bids to be for one plate only but we will allow the highest bidder to >>> choose how many plates he wants and the balance (if any) will be offered >>> to the next highest bidder and so on. >>> >>> Then we need a closing date and an adjudicator. I suggest 8:00 pm >>> (GMT) Sunday 23rd Jan 2011 as a closing time and Paul Evans can make the >>> final decision on the winners (seeing as that he is the curator of >>> Internal Fire and lives in the GMT time zone). Yes, I know it's soon but >>> they need to get that roof up :-) >>> >>> Paul, are you reading this and agreeable to that - (I have not >>> discussed this with Paul - this should be a surprise to him). >>> >>> A point to remember - e-mail is no longer immediate - there could >>> be server delays along the way so don't leave your bid to the last minute >>> (this is NOT e-Bay). >>> >>> Payment to be made to Paul at the museum - I know he has Paypal >>> and maybe other options as well. >>> >>> For any information on what I need from you to be able to produce >>> a plate please look at my webpage: >>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >>> >>> P.S. Please keep it all on the lists - If you've got questions I'll >>> answer on the lists. Bear in mind also that I only get the SEL digest >>> version and that arrives here at about 7:00 pm each evening local time >>> (5:00 pm GMT) so questions on the Oldengine list will get answered sooner. >>> Keep the revs up (or down) >>> Jerry Evans >>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jan 21 15:40:55 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:40:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Message-ID: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Easy Peasy Dave. Bid early. Bid often. Bid against yourself if at all possible. If the whole bidding thing is just too flumoxing, just send money to Internal Fire via PayPal using paul at semidiesel.com as the Send Money recipient. As I said, Easy Peasy. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, January 21, 2011 6:16 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: > I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! > Dave From rotigel at me.com Fri Jan 21 15:27:52 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:27:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <46396699-F815-4E45-8A71-4856615877DA@me.com> That's fine, but I don't use PayPal. Dave On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Easy Peasy Dave. > > Bid early. > Bid often. > Bid against yourself if at all possible. > If the whole bidding thing is just too flumoxing, > just send money to Internal Fire via PayPal > using paul at semidiesel.com as the Send Money recipient. > > As I said, Easy Peasy. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, January 21, 2011 6:16 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: >> I was going to bid, but all this is getting too complicated! >> Dave From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jan 21 17:45:19 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] forum In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> References: <26C307DA3A7549FEB669082E70B6F94F@carter> <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> Message-ID: <9EC2BF65-8AA1-4DBE-BF04-303D90ED0A9C@atis.net> A few years ago I stopped handling my own email spam detection software. Too much mail and it was consuming too many resources. So I hired Trend Micro to scan my servers' incoming email first for viruses, spam, etc. Only then, after each piece of mail passes, will it send the mail to my server for processing. If Trend Micro only suspects it is spam, but can't rank it high enough to actually reject it, it will add the "spam" tag to the subject line to alert the final recipients. Hope this helps, Spencer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 18:48, John Wilkens wrote: > Don't know about that, but the last message I sent added a "Spam" > note to my email. :( Anyone know what that is about? John W. > > > At 02:50 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >> I get the forbidden error also and the FAQ pages are down too. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gene Dotson >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [AT] forum >> >> >> Same here John. Says I am Forbidden. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john hall" >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:17 PM >> Subject: [AT] forum >> >> >>> Anybody able to get the forum to come up? I've been getting errors the >>> last 2 days. >>> >>> John Hall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 11:20:53 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] forum In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20110122095957.01b5dcd0@eoni.com> References: <26C307DA3A7549FEB669082E70B6F94F@carter> <7.0.1.0.1.20110121154711.040e87c8@eoni.com> <9EC2BF65-8AA1-4DBE-BF04-303D90ED0A9C@atis.net> <7.0.1.0.1.20110122095957.01b5dcd0@eoni.com> Message-ID: <4D3B2E15.2040804@atis.net> If you look through the archives, you find it added to various posts from time to time. The way most spam filters work is they assign a total "spam score" to an email based on hundreds of different criteria; each of which add "spam points". Some criteria are as simple as: Did the email use the work "Free" too many times. Others are complicated heuristic algorithms. Some are look ups in lists of ISPs and sender addresses that have a history of SPAM. After the scan the total score is compared to a threshold. Above the threshold, the mail is rejected. If an email is just slightly below the score, then they might get the warning tag in the subject like you got. If you will notice, this latest email you sent did not have the "Spam" tag. The short answer is: No, there is not anything I can really do about it short of changing Spam filtering services - but I am sure I would just jump from the frying pan to the fire if I did. They all operate very similarly. As it should not happen very often and because most folks know the tag is a warning only and usually the result of inconsequential use of certain words, or a temporary misconfiguration of your ISPs server; most folks know that does not represent on on-going threat from your PC or ISP or email account. Hope this helps, Spencer On 1/22/2011 1:04 PM, John Wilkens wrote: > Spencer, If the "spam" msg is attached to my emails I'm afraid the > ATIS guys might delete all my messages. :( Is this just a temp. > situation? John W > > > > At 05:45 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >> A few years ago I stopped handling my own email spam detection >> software. Too much mail and it was consuming too many >> resources. So I hired Trend Micro to scan my servers' incoming >> email first for viruses, spam, etc. Only then, after each piece of >> mail passes, will it send the mail to my server for processing. >> >> If Trend Micro only suspects it is spam, but can't rank it high >> enough to actually reject it, it will add the "spam" tag to the >> subject line to alert the final recipients. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 21, 2011, at 18:48, John Wilkens wrote: >> >>> Don't know about that, but the last message I sent added a "Spam" >>> note to my email. :( Anyone know what that is about? John W. >>> >>> >>> At 02:50 PM 01/21/2011, you wrote: >>>> I get the forbidden error also and the FAQ pages are down too. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Gene Dotson >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] forum >>>> >>>> >>>> Same here John. Says I am Forbidden. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "john hall" >>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:17 PM >>>> Subject: [AT] forum >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anybody able to get the forum to come up? I've been getting errors the >>>>> last 2 days. >>>>> >>>>> John Hall >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >>> In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Jan 22 13:34:57 2011 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:34:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Going down under Message-ID: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. Y'all be good. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5cb180dd2193st01vuc From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 16:43:49 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:43:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: Spencer From yostsw at atis.net Sat Jan 22 17:13:49 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4D3B80CD.2000704@atis.net> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: Spencer From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 22 18:28:30 2011 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:28:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Going down under References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <7FFD4A0BED644707B9198AC5964208F4@morpheus> Hi Ron, I don't know your destination but watch out for the wetter areas! Possibly further replys will come from Aussie members. Dave Croft. Warrington. http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Going down under > Hi all. > In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down > under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. > Y'all be good. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Globe Life Insurance > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jan 23 10:06:17 2011 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:06:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: Spencer, One of the greatest gatherings of the OFES is at the Findlay Ohio show the first weekend in August. I think Zolfo Springs in Florida (February? - Dave would know) gets a good SEL turnout. There's also a "Hillbilly Roundup?" or something like that in Kentucky in April that gets a lot of oilfield engine folks. See ya, Arnie On Sat, January 22, 2011 7:43 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: > I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the > number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few > months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the > Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world > leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: > From rotigel at me.com Sun Jan 23 11:55:51 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:55:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: <68B09C13-A914-4DD9-8589-BB115A0285D5@me.com> Zolfo (March 2-6 this year) usually has 5 or 6 SEL members there. However, it's NOT a big oil field engine show. Coolspring, Findlay, or Portland is probably the best bet. Dave On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Spencer, > > One of the greatest gatherings of the OFES is at the Findlay Ohio show the first > weekend in August. I think Zolfo Springs in Florida (February? - Dave would know) > gets a good SEL turnout. There's also a "Hillbilly Roundup?" or something like that > in Kentucky in April that gets a lot of oilfield engine folks. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, January 22, 2011 7:43 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: >> I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the >> number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few >> months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the >> Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world >> leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 14:15:57 2011 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light Message-ID: <623618.55921.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:44:06 2011 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:44:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light In-Reply-To: <623618.55921.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <786679.92956.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey SEL ? Just went to You Tube and seen one or 2 just like I'm looking at to buy. they are?the Delco Light plant 32v. Any help on?what there worth would be most appreciated. ? Thanks again, Jim? Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com --- On Sun, 1/23/11, James Yost wrote: From: James Yost Subject: [SEL] Delco light To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:15 PM SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Jan 23 18:11:30 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show schedule In-Reply-To: <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> References: <47c90bb8fbd45ce31a85364c956309af.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4D3B79C5.8000109@atis.net> Message-ID: <20110124021134.C397A947E@smtp.wcoil.com> I'd say get it to Portland Swap meet in May. Unless you want to head south to Florida with it. Mark At 07:43 PM 1/22/2011, you wrote: >I was wondering what "big" shows (well at least "big" in terms of the >number of SEL members that attend) are coming up in the next few >months? I really need to get a few more bugs worked out of the the >Ball oil field engine and shows seem to be the only place the world >leaves me alone long enough to work on it.... (-: > >Spencer >_______________________________________________ Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au Sun Jan 23 19:02:55 2011 From: service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:02:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Going down under References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> Where are you headed to? coming across to the west?, cheers, Chester from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:34 AM Subject: Going down under > Hi all. > In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a trip down > under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. Cheers. > Y'all be good. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Globe Life Insurance > $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jan 24 03:39:40 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:39:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Results In-Reply-To: <525290.23868.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110123211937.02c3cce8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks to all for participating. At this stage it looks like the high bids were: a) Alan in Michigan - $ 100.00 b) Jeff Allen - $ 75.00 c) Mike Royster - $ 50.00 d) Dave Carter - $ 50.00 If there are any queries or maybe I missed a bid please contact me immediately. Failing that I'll ask Paul if he is in agreement and then contact the high bidders personally within the next 24 hours. It looks like you've raised $ 275.00 for the roof at Internal Fire shed 5. Thanks guys your generosity is fantastic - I knew that I could rely on the good folk of old engine land. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 24 14:41:26 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:41:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Going down under In-Reply-To: <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> References: <20110122.133558.974.61579@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> <00ab01cbbb73$3303c7b0$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <025F7FCC-FAF6-4308-B0AC-06F6078AB468@me.com> I was MORE that glad when I read Ron's post. Given the "subject" I was a bit worried that he intended it for that "adult" list that he is on! Dave PS, Ron, ENJOY your Trip! On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Chester Smith wrote: > Where are you headed to? coming across to the west?, > cheers, > Chester from West Aus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:34 AM > Subject: Going down under > > >> Hi all. >> In just half an hour we leave home, headed to the airport for a >> trip down >> under. Scheduled to see some mighty fine iron and other scenery. >> Cheers. >> Y'all be good. >> >> Ron Haskell >> rdhaskell at juno.com >> Riverside, California USA >> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Globe Life Insurance >> $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3b4df5bf8a4d413abst04vuc >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ashpow at westnet.com.au Tue Jan 25 00:32:58 2011 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (ashpow at westnet.com.au) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:32:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? Message-ID: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Hey all, I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? Cheers,Ash From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jan 25 12:15:33 2011 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:15:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Delco light In-Reply-To: <786679.92956.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1781720520.6529651295986533019.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Jim, I own sevaral Delco Plants which are running and with accessories. Also sitting on literature if you need somne. Which model Delco Plant is it???? Curt Andree ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:44:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco light Hey SEL ? Just went to You Tube and seen one or 2 just like I'm looking at to buy. they are?the Delco Light plant 32v. Any help on?what there worth would be most appreciated. ? Thanks again, Jim? Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com --- On Sun, 1/23/11, James Yost wrote: From: James Yost Subject: [SEL] Delco light To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:15 PM SEL, ? How ya all doin where ever you are? We are up here in freezing Ohio. Dang it's been another cold one. ? Can anyone give me an idea on what a Delco light plant is worth? Engine runs they told me and a friend of the deceased said it did. So the positive thinker?I am?I believe them!! At least it is not stuck and seems to have compression.?I know nothing about these Delco light plants. This one is a single cly vertical engine (maybe all are)?and its crank evidently runs the generator. Commutator is exposed and it's valve cover is missing. ? Any help would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Jan 25 12:58:23 2011 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Going down under Message-ID: <02DA5D2EF387475695C3AE697A040C56@shed> Ron, don't know if Tasmania is on your itinerary, we are the island state, south of Melbourne. If you are coming this way there is a lot of good and rare iron to see. Happy to help open doors if you want to. Happy and safe travelling. Teddy From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 25 13:27:36 2011 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:27:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? In-Reply-To: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> References: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <104C744F018D48F38B1D6C602686E56B@Stait> Brian Well's Phone number is 02 67608276. He always has a add in the TOMM . Barry & Tanya Stait. Mudgee. NSW. bst41474 at bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? > Hey all, > I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells > in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? > Cheers,Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3401 - Release Date: 01/24/11 > From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jan 25 14:21:21 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> Message-ID: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> When it rains it pours..... My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed (which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. As usual, thanks for your patience.! Spencer On 1/25/2011 7:38 AM, Gayle or Ron Chew wrote: > No traffic on the list. Are we down? > > > > Ron& Gayle > > On the CASE > > Granite Falls WA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 25 15:28:35 2011 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:28:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> Message-ID: <0BDB1CD2FA6E44DABC84ACFB3B093956@morpheus> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] hello? > When it rains it pours..... > My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got > it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference > should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie > receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed > (which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is > cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. > As usual, thanks for your patience.! > Spencer My sympathies for your wallet Spencer. Dave Croft. Warrington. http://oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jan 25 17:45:27 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:45:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110126033724.027a8848@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Spencer, I know the feeling !! Thanks for what you do for us and the service you provide us with - a little glitch every now and then is quite acceptable. Over the last 6 years or so that I've been a member of your list I've been able to set my watch to the time that my "SEL Digest" arrives. Thank you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 12:21 AM 26/01/2011, you wrote: >When it rains it pours..... > > >My router went down last night. With the help of tech support we got >it up, but it is running at the slowest possible speed. The difference >should be slight as upload speed (which is download to you folks - ie >receiving mail from the list) is near normal. The download speed >(which is upload for you folks - ie sending a message to the list) is >cut in half. A new router is being installed tomorrow morning. > >As usual, thanks for your patience.! > > >Spencer > >On 1/25/2011 7:38 AM, Gayle or Ron Chew wrote: > > No traffic on the list. Are we down? > > > > > > > > Ron& Gayle > > > > On the CASE > > > > Granite Falls WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Jan 25 22:37:16 2011 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off topic---Horseless vehicles Message-ID: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> http://tinyurl.com/4ktot8u Check this book by Gardner Dexter Hiscox if you have any interest in early auto development. It is around 20mb in size to download. Titled: *Horseless vehicles, automobiles, motor cycles operated by steam, hydro, etc. etc.* Published in 1900. Take care. Ken From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 25 23:47:02 2011 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:47:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [AT] hello? In-Reply-To: <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> References: <008601cbbc8c$c34678d0$49d36a70$@com> <4D3F4CE1.6030500@atis.net> Message-ID: Thank you for all your effort Spencer Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW Oz www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jan 26 08:43:55 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:43:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Let's NOT do this again! In-Reply-To: <283336878C6342ABA2B00F4EB9480844@JeffPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110123211937.02c3cce8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20110124130024.028dafd8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110126161422.00e05e88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Jeff, I'm sorry that you feel that way but please do not be upset. Allow me to explain a few things first. 1) I know I said I would write to the bidders personally within 24 hours BUT, I was not counting on having the type of day I had yesterday - it was just one of those days where everything went wrong and needed my immediate attention and I could not find the time to write those letters. Then I had a lot of paperwork etc. to do and I had to do it last night. I eventually started writing the letters after midnight last night but only got 2 of them done and I pressed "send" at about 2:30 am this morning - I still had some other paperwork to do and was was just too tired to do any more letters -I eventually got to bed at 4:45 am and thought that I would send the others out today. I did get an e-mail from Paul at Internal Fire and he mentioned that you and one other bidder had already paid (but he did not say how much)and those were the two letters I still needed to write but thought that, seeing as that you had paid already you were happy. It's now 4:30 pm Wednesday here and I only got in to the office and downloaded my mail about 3/4 hour ago and found this mail from you. 2) Re updating the bids, I saw your original mail in this regard but both Luke Tonneberger and George Best sent in regular updates to both lists on status of the bidding so I did not bother to duplicate their posts. Did you not see these ?? 3) Regarding the fact that I said the highest bidders could choose how many they wanted - the rules never changed !! I did realise that this may have caused a bit of confusion but allowed for it in a letter (Off List) to Paul a day before closing - I'll "cut and paste" part of my letter to Paul here: ********** "Also, I did say that the highest bidder could choose how many he wants and then the second highest etc. It may end up a bit confusing - but I could always throw in a few extra if necessary to placate anyone " ********** So you see Jeff, I had made allowance for that and you as the second highest bidder can choose to take 3 plates (or even 4 if you wish) I have no problem with that and the next 2 lower bids will still get their plates and more if they so wish - after all, it just means that Internal Fire will get more money in which makes me very happy. 4) The closing time was 8:00 pm (GMT) (or ZULU time if you prefer the military version) as I stated right from the beginning. The the last 2 bids were from David Carter (which came in almost an hour before closing time) and Alan in Michigan which came into my computer about 2 hours before closing time. I'll paste the headers from their mails below. Both of these went to the Oldengine List so you should have seen them.: ********** From: David Carter To: Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:08:51 +0000 Importance: Normal ************** From: Alan Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sender: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.96.5/12562/Sun Jan 23 19:55:06 2011) (Note from Jerry - we are 2 hours ahead of Zulu) ************** Jeff please let me know how many plates you want and the details - it will be a pleasure to make them for you. I apologise for any confusion and hope that everything is now cleared up . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 04:50 AM 26/01/2011, you wrote: >Howdy all, > >Perhaps a good idea and a generous offer, but it didn't work out well. The >bids should have been updated several times so all would know how bidding >was going. Considering it was on two lists, and I am only on one of them, >I had no idea of the bidding on the other. Perhaps there were no bids on >the SEL cause of past problems with this sort of thing. As I understood >the original terms the high bidder could take one or all of the plates for >the bid on each, as in high bid times four. Seems the terms changed >somewhere along the line. Terms and conditions should not change after the >start of the auction. > >I appreciate what Jerry tried to do, but let's not do it again. I still >haven't heard back. 24 hours must be longer in SA. I've made my donation >and will call it good. I think some bids came in after 20 hours Zulu time, >and that was supposed to be the end. Backup bidder can have my plate. My >moneys in. > >Jeff Allen > >From: Jerry Evans >Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:39 AM >To: >stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; >SEL List >Subject: RE: Let's have some fun for a good cause ! Results > >Hi Guys, > Thanks to all for participating. At this stage it looks like the > high bids were: > >a) Alan in Michigan - $ 100.00 >b) Jeff Allen - $ 75.00 >c) Mike Royster - $ 50.00 >d) Dave Carter - $ 50.00 > > If there are any queries or maybe I missed a bid please contact > me immediately. Failing that I'll ask Paul if he is in agreement and then > contact the high bidders personally within the next 24 hours. > > It looks like you've raised $ 275.00 for the roof at Internal > Fire shed 5. Thanks guys your generosity is fantastic - I knew that I > could rely on the good folk of old engine land. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jan 27 05:09:17 2011 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:09:17 EST Subject: [SEL] winter project Message-ID: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Thu Jan 27 05:39:28 2011 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:39:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cbbe27$a631bab0$f2953010$@com> Neat collection & nice display Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 06:37:22 2011 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228487.71748.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Love them. Great job with both the cupboard and the vehicles. ?Ron Perma Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? ? --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: [SEL] winter project To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 8:09 AM _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter? doldrums. I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from? the 1930's.? They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display? in the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy? replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and? grills.? They were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at? Christmas time by us 4 kids over many years.? Some were beyond repair, but? I thought the remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction.? Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jan 27 07:26:35 2011 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:26:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Off topic---Horseless vehicles In-Reply-To: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> References: <4D3FC11C.3030301@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6EA3B67E-AB3D-47D6-85CA-A64A3325FCF0@rustyiron.com> On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/4ktot8u > > Check this book by Gardner Dexter Hiscox if you have any interest in > early auto development. It is around 20mb in size to download. > > Titled: > > > *Horseless vehicles, automobiles, motor cycles operated by steam, hydro, etc. etc.* > > Published in 1900. > > Take care. > > Ken Thanks, Ken. I've wanted to add that book to my collection, but have never seen one at the price I wanted to pay. Now I don't need to buy it. I found of particular interest the section on the Secor engine. Rob From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Jan 28 14:15:54 2011 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:15:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] winter project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic toys, great to see some still around.thanks for sharing Russell On 28/01/2011, at 12:09 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) > > Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter > doldrums. > > I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from the > 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in > the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy > replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and grills. They > were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us > 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the > remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jan 29 05:18:41 2011 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:18:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic: Mac owners - can you help? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110129144357.00df2950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all the Mac Owners out there, I need to set up 4 words (for a brass plate) in a Font called "Zapfino Extra Pro Regular" ) (or Zapfino Extra Pro Forte) or "Zapfino Extra Std one". This is a commercial font from Linotype and there are no free downloads available of either Windows True Type or Adobe Type 1 fonts. I'm loath to spend the money (quite expensive) to set up 4 words (and sell 1 plate). I believe that the font is standard on Mac computers. Is there a Mac user out there who is relatively proficient at graphics who could set it up for me and mail it to me. (I do not want the whole font - I cannot use it unless it is in Windows True Type format) - just the 4 words. You need to understand a bit about graphics because I want it in a Vector format (that means "lines" not Raster (bitmap/pixels) to all others who are wondering). I need to get it into Corel Draw X14 or my CAD programme as lines so that I can edit it. The easiest file formats that I can import are (.dxf), (.plt), (.wmf), .(cdr - CorelDraw, any version up to X14 but you need to "convert to curves" before saving the file). I can also import Adobe Illustrator (.ai) and (.eps) but sometimes these are saved as "bitmaps" and would not help me - they must retain the vectors (lines) and I do not know how to explain to Mac users the correct way to do this. Also, CorelDraw X14 sometimes has difficulty importing from the very latest versions of Illustrator. Failing all of the above you could set the words up very big and save it as a high resolution .PDF file. Because there are least 4 variations of the Zapfino font - I have put a .jpg sample here of the one I need - those are also the words I need in upper and lower case as per the pic. I could of course just redraw this but it would take me a few hours and I've got a lot of other artwork to draw so It would help a lot if someone could just e-mail this one to me. Many thanks in advance - sorry about the "Off Topic" but it is for a brass spec plate to go into a Bentley car that someone in the USA is building. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sat Jan 29 22:10:41 2011 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:10:41 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine shows Message-ID: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 05:19:21 2011 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 05:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Message-ID: <901094.44787.qm@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There is a very nice smaller show at Sandwich, IL on the last weekend in June. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ ? Mapquest shows it to be just 62 miles from the Windy City. (Chicago) ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 1/30/11, k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com wrote: From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Subject: [SEL] engine shows To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 1:10 AM Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sun Jan 30 07:08:25 2011 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:08:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction Message-ID: <4D457EE9.2020005@atis.net> Th family of a man who recently passed asked me to post the estate's auction info . Here are the details: fairchildantiquefarmitems.com Usual disclaimer. I don't know the family, the auctioneer, or anything about the items. Though I would not mind owning the SMTA (-: I cross posted to SEL because there seems to be a decent amount of general old farm stuff that they might be interested in, but there seems to be no engine related items. Spencer From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Jan 30 08:52:02 2011 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:52:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] winter project References: Message-ID: <007f01cbc09e$04d206b0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tom, I had to blow up the picture and take a good look, quite a nice collection there! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] winter project > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tootsie%20display.jpg) > > Here is a project I have been working on lately to help beat the winter > doldrums. > > I built the display shelves for my diecast metal Tootsie Toy cars from > the > 1930's. They were given to my by my uncle along with a train display in > the 1950's. I recently dug them out of my attic, found where to buy > replacement rubber tires, wheels, axles, and recast metal bumpers and > grills. They > were in fairly bad shape due to being played with at Christmas time by us > 4 kids over many years. Some were beyond repair, but I thought the > remaining ones fixed up would make a nice wall attraction. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sun Jan 30 12:27:20 2011 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:27:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engine shows In-Reply-To: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> References: <44D53E5BEA3C457EACE7A8BD33A42FC7@kevinPC> Message-ID: <83077E93A9CC4C9C8A63CB62E8CF3A69@Eagle> The National Threshers show in Wauseon, Ohio is June 23-26 about 1 hour west of Toledo right next to the Ohio Turnpike exit. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW Bowling Green, Ohio The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:11 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] engine shows Hello every one, I will be going to Chicago area of the USA (Naperville) from the 12 June 2011 to the 26th July 2011, and I would like to know of any tractor and engine shows in the area, I can travel approx. 200 miles, I will be going to the Ford museum at Detroit in that time frame. all information will be appreciated Regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association Member V.C.C. of WA Member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 31 12:01:58 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:01:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding Message-ID: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for the affected Aussie collectors. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jan 31 12:49:26 2011 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:49:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Brian Wells - Lister parts. Contact? References: <1380547968.4295411295944378588.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <59A1A45F0FEF48199BE7B91273713DCF@peterlowe> Yes I have dealt with Brian, nice bloke. Brian Wells 1043 Manilla Road, Tamworth, 2340 Australia ph. 02 67608276 Fax 02-67608279 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines > Hey all, > I'm trying to get contact details for a bloke by the name of Brian Wells > in Tamworth NSW, Australia.Has anyone dealt with him?Got contact details? > Cheers,Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jan 31 13:50:01 2011 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:50:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> If he is any where near the flood area Mark, my guess is that he is too busy selling boat anchors to answer your e-mails! Dave PS, My hope is that your friend and his collection is OK! On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info > again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria > 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a > collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am > not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due > to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may > be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for > the affected Aussie collectors. Mark > > > > > > Mark Shulaw From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Jan 31 14:41:02 2011 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:41:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4BFA76661D4D4335912EECAEEE7545FB@JBCooper> Hi Mark, Leongatha is on the east coast and being quite hilly it is not subject to much flooding, unlike the northwest of Victoria which is very flat. The water is so slow moving out there that it will take weeks to reach some towns. Swan Hill on the Murray River is expecting the peak over the next day or so. Regards, John Cooper, Bega, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2011 7:02 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for the affected Aussie collectors. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jan 31 16:25:56 2011 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:25:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aussie Flooding In-Reply-To: <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> References: <20110131200155.43DC094BD@smtp.wcoil.com> <5293CFD0-FF13-473F-A865-28B6481AE81D@me.com> Message-ID: <20110201002554.07D53947B@smtp.wcoil.com> Boat anchors, thats my guess as well. GRINNN Mark At 04:50 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: >If he is any where near the flood area Mark, my guess is that he is >too busy selling boat anchors to answer your e-mails! > Dave >PS, My hope is that your friend and his collection is OK! > >On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > > > > > Hi To the Aussies again, Looking to glean some flooding info > > again. Can anyone tell me if the Leongatha south, Victoria > > 3953 area was hit by the flooding? I've lost email contact with a > > collector there about the time the flooding was going on. But I am > > not sure if the fellows area was affected. But I suspect it might due > > to a sudden stop in the emails. If they were not hit then they may > > be away helping with flood relief. Sorry, I'm just concerned for > > the affected Aussie collectors. Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Shulaw >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com