From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:17:26 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:17:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From the Furnace to the Farm
Message-ID: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have added some great material from a 1920's Ronaldson-Tippet catalogue to
my site. It shows the manufacturing of an engine from pig iron to the
completed product:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/fttf/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 03:46:49 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:46:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From the Furnace to the Farm
In-Reply-To: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED76929.4070502@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Patrick, great arrangement of  photos to show main parts of 
Austral manufacture.

Kerry


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec  1 06:14:59 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:14:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
	<302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>
Message-ID: <3182caf689b55134b34ea415b474f571.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Have no idea if it helps or would help - when I don't have a SEALED metal
container handy (I do in the lower shop, just not the second story wood
shop) I lay the rags out in a single flat layer to dry. No bunches, not
touching each other, flat to dry out.
some things like oils and linseed oil is among them, of course, don't
"dry" like thinners and so on, but at least there's no place for the heat
to grow.
Might not be good enough.......

Metal containers with metal lids that can't draw a breath - probably the
only really safe bet.

Bill

> I knew it, and still had it happen.  I wadded up my rag and threw it
> outside on the gravel while I went in to grab lunch.   I almost chastised
> myself for being too cautious.   Nothing could happen over a lunch- right?
>
> Came back from lunch to a scorched rag smoldering on the gravel parking
> pad.  In my case I think the sun accelerated the time to combustion(and it
> was summer) because the shade retreated from the rag; but still- up in
> smoke in 45 mins!
>
> Definitely be careful with linseed oil.
>
> PS.  I have one of those rag buckets now where you can't leave the lid
> open.
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 17:18, "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:
>
>> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
>>
>> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never
>> experienced it.
>>
>> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart
>> face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas...
>> flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
>>
>> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was
>> no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was
>> to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled
>> linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
>>
>> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and
>> mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an
>> oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
>>
>> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down
>> to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across
>> the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still
>> cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were
>> glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our
>> grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
>>
>> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was
>> disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without
>> causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The
>> fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm
>> system.
>>
>> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we
>> weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop
>> connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months,
>> but a fire could take down everything.
>>
>> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about
>> this in grade school.
>>
>> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only
>> consequence is having to air the place out.
>>
>> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."
>> Yep, I hear you.
>>
>> Be warned...
>>
>> Jim in Vermont
>>
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 11:41:30 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:41:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From Furnace to Farm
Message-ID: <9E45D1090DEF4ED293ADDA97E87C791A@jackospc>

Thanks Patrick. That is one of the most informative things that I have seen on the list. John Mathieson

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec  3 05:30:11 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:30:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
Message-ID: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472

OK, who's up for it?  8-))





From rotigel at me.com  Sat Dec  3 05:54:18 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:54:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>

Eat enough of the shit and you turn into an abbo!
	Dave

On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>
> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 08:19:02 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:19:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>


  G'day all;
Galloway's used a decompressor hand valve with built in checkvalve.  Did any 
other engines use this feature and does it seem like this is a proprietary 
valve?  I've never seen a handvalve with built in check until the Gal's came 
along.

Thanks much
RickinMt. 



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec  3 08:38:39 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:38:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>

Rick,
I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks in 
a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"stationary-engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


>
>  G'day all;
> Galloway's used a decompressor hand valve with built in checkvalve.  Did 
> any other engines use this feature and does it seem like this is a 
> proprietary valve?  I've never seen a handvalve with built in check until 
> the Gal's came along.
>
> Thanks much
> RickinMt.
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 09:06:37 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUA6w5Jakb6XMU+0==oKVq=5MDRi89GkFKPcrANGX1vDhw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure I eat enough bugs when I stop at a fast food restaurant BUT there
is some credibility to this.

Jap POW's that were slaves for Mitsubishi survived longer than others
becase they had what they called 'brown rice' that was full of maggots and
a source of protein.

I'll pass on intentionally eating the bugs or driving a Mitsubishi.

Paul


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:15:29 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:15:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
	<E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
	<E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>





> Rick,
> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
> in
> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...

Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
air to come thru the mixer.

Thanks Harry

RickinMt. 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 09:26:41 2011
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com><597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
	<CAMuKiUA6w5Jakb6XMU+0==oKVq=5MDRi89GkFKPcrANGX1vDhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01746806761A41C4BA67974FE2181CA3@YOURDA6F5028CB>

My Dutch father-in-law "worked" for Mitsubishi as a prisoner of war. He made it through but never talked much about the ordeal.
I would like to ask him about the brown rice but he died at the age of 85. His eyes were kinda bad in later years because he was one 
of the few that
survived the battle of the Java sea, floating in the oil saturated water apparently caused this problem.
We drove his Mitsubishi Gallant all around Holland and Germany in 1984. Nice car.

Skip

Subject: Re: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?


> I'm sure I eat enough bugs when I stop at a fast food restaurant BUT there
> is some credibility to this.
>
> Jap POW's that were slaves for Mitsubishi survived longer than others
> becase they had what they called 'brown rice' that was full of maggots and
> a source of protein.
>
> I'll pass on intentionally eating the bugs or driving a Mitsubishi.
>
> Paul
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:45:50 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:45:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>

Here's a blowup of the decompressor which intrudes into the cylinder about 
halfway the length.



http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1104083442039077051cnUJgJ











----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


>
>
>
>
> > Rick,
> > I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
> > in
> > a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...
>
> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
> air to come thru the mixer.
>
> Thanks Harry
>
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dakinneyfnp at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 11:33:25 2011
From: dakinneyfnp at gmail.com (Debbie Kinney)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:33:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CANR_V_ePnpTZnA3+a1vug_ym9ovqwUvscbZ0aejfxjLfpLaszQ@mail.gmail.com>

You have my portion.
Deb

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>
> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>
>
>
>
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>
> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> with:
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>



-- 
Debbie


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec  3 13:31:40 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:31:40 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<CANR_V_ePnpTZnA3+a1vug_ym9ovqwUvscbZ0aejfxjLfpLaszQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA7627A8C7F64BDBB600ED99605179C5@craig8b4f43368>

As long there is a nuse on the team and the nukelear engineer is willing 
then  I think we should let him lead by example.

Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Kinney" <dakinneyfnp at gmail.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?


> You have my portion.
> Deb
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>>
>> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
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>>
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>
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> -- 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  3 18:06:39 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:06:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AF33D54DCE9C4DFF809A3146510C4D78@edlaptop>

I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and also have used that for compression relief. I think I better put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Rick,
>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
>> in
>> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...
> 
> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
> air to come thru the mixer.
> 
> Thanks Harry
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 05:27:05 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 05:27:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
In-Reply-To: <AF33D54DCE9C4DFF809A3146510C4D78@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <1323005225.62793.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?

--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,? CT,???USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Rick,
> >> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
> Works perfect as it sucks 
> >> in
> >> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
> I had more...
> > 
> > Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
> in.? They want all the 
> > air to come thru the mixer.
> > 
> > Thanks Harry
> > 
> > RickinMt. 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 05:47:29 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 07:47:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Long neck fuel & oil funnel
In-Reply-To: <121695222.8893281323006146769.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <698901938.8893451323006449710.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

All,
Many years ago I got a really nice long necked ridge curved plastic funnel which worked very well when trying to put fuel in those hard to reach gas tanks directly under the water hoppers on our engines. It was especially nice as I could wedge it tightly into the gas tank filler opening up against the water hopper preventing it from moving while pouring in the fuel.  Regretfully with age the long curved neck broke off so now its almost useles for it orginal purpose. The only brand name is embosed at the top of the funnel (Hollywood Accessories)and is heavy duty blue plastic.  I have searched internet wide looking for a replacement with no luck. As anybody seen or know of a source?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree 


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Dec  4 11:59:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:59:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Long neck fuel & oil funnel
In-Reply-To: <698901938.8893451323006449710.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <698901938.8893451323006449710.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <16D0DAA0-2BC4-470C-BEB3-09319F51BE80@me.com>

Is this what you are after Curt? See: http://www.amazon.com/IMPERIAL-72552-PLASTIC-FUNNEL-QT/dp/B001CIK9UA/ref=sr_1_94?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1323028566&sr=1-94
	Dave

On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:47 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> All,
> Many years ago I got a really nice long necked ridge curved plastic  
> funnel which worked very well when trying to put fuel in those hard  
> to reach gas tanks directly under the water hoppers on our engines.  
> It was especially nice as I could wedge it tightly into the gas tank  
> filler opening up against the water hopper preventing it from moving  
> while pouring in the fuel.  Regretfully with age the long curved  
> neck broke off so now its almost useles for it orginal purpose. The  
> only brand name is embosed at the top of the funnel (Hollywood  
> Accessories)and is heavy duty blue plastic.  I have searched  
> internet wide looking for a replacement with no luck. As anybody  
> seen or know of a source?
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec  6 11:15:20 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:15:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111206203911.00c5f1d8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           The Pommies and Aussies can probably answer this question.
           A friend is restoring a Bamford EG2 and another larger one (but
   I'm still waiting for Type/Model on that one).
           What were the Bamford colours. On the net I've read "Mid
   Brunswick Green" - the same as Lister- but with silver flywheels. Is
   this correct ?  I do remember that "Mid Brunswick Green" was the
   British standard colour for most engines (and industrial equipment) for
   many years.
           Then the silver flywheels - was the complete flywheel painted
   silver or just the outer face - if it was just the outer face, how far
   did this extend down the sides. Apologies, I'm battling to describe
   this, what I'm trying to ask is, did this silver go onto the sides -
   that flat machined part on the outer edge of the rim and where did it
   stop?
           Pictures of a correctly painted flywheel will be most
   appreciated.
           My friends engines still have some green paint on them which
   could be polished up for colour matching but are currently way out in
   the middle of nowhere and it will simplify matters if I could just
   find  confirmation of the correct colour.
           As usual, thanks in advance for all replies.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:26:34 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:26:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Columbus Mystery
Message-ID: <CB04EFDA.BBE3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The piston is finally out of the Columbus. A mate took it to work and put it
in their pig press after a day of warming in their heat tank.
It took 7 tonne to push it out but no real drama.
The big mystery is... There are no rings on the piston!
We think the last time this engine possibly ran was WWI but where have the
rings gone? One possibility is that this engine had been used as a parts
donor for other Columbus engines the company owned but I guess we will never
know for sure.
The good news is that the bore and piston are in excellent condition.

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From george at irontrader.com  Tue Dec  6 21:00:57 2011
From: george at irontrader.com (=?utf-8?B?Z2VvcmdlQGlyb250cmFkZXIuY29t?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:00:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Columbus_Mystery?=
Message-ID: <20111207050045.40B6365B431@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Got a picture of that pig press? ;-)

Sent from my  smartphone

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To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Columbus Mystery
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:26 pm


The piston is finally out of the Columbus. A mate took it to work and put it
in their pig press after a day of warming in their heat tank.
It took 7 tonne to push it out but no real drama.
The big mystery is... There are no rings on the piston!
We think the last time this engine possibly ran was WWI but where have the
rings gone? One possibility is that this engine had been used as a parts
donor for other Columbus engines the company owned but I guess we will never
know for sure.
The good news is that the bore and piston are in excellent condition.

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 07:45:46 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FA6B1315@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a check valve.
This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the cylinder above the exhaust valve.

You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in the decompressor unit.

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg

Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.

George


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 09:58:20 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:58:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80><SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl><SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FA6B1315@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.

Thanks
Rick


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> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a 
> check valve.
> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the 
> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>
> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in 
> the decompressor unit.
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>
> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>
> George
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 10:10:36 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:10:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds1367428939B4EFD517C22BBBB0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80><SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl><SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>
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I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve

George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.

Thanks
Rick


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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a 
> check valve.
> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the 
> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>
> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in 
> the decompressor unit.
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>
> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>
> George
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 11:28:39 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:28:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
> >
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 12:50:12 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:50:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds13E87A8AA58635812D314FBBBB0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80><SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl><SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FA6B1315@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><SNT143-ds1367428939B4EFD517C22BBBB0@phx.gbl>
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Maybe because the spring on the valve is strong enough it doesn't act like the intake valve.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve

George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
> >
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 13:28:26 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:28:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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The more I thought about it.....

If a cylinder has two atmospheric intake valves, I'm thinking that only the one with the weakest spring will open.  I think with one valve open there wouldn't be enough suction to open the second valve.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:50 PM
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Maybe because the spring on the valve is strong enough it doesn't act like the intake valve.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve

George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec  7 15:42:04 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:42:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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I think the answer is the same as why the exhaust valve doesn't open on the 
inlet stroke. It has a much stronger spring.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
>> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
>> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>> Strobel
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>
>> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>
>>
>> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
>> > check valve.
>> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
>> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>> >
>> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve 
>> > in
>> > the decompressor unit.
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>> >
>> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Dec  7 16:15:03 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:15:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <7804E45F3AE6484D86C6CFA49FFFD2CC@jackospc>
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I've studied these engines for more years than most of you on the List have been alive. The answer here (as well as to most questions about antique internal combustion engines) is simple--it's magic!
	Dave

On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:42 PM, John Mathieson wrote:

> I think the answer is the same as why the exhaust valve doesn't open on the 
> inlet stroke. It has a much stronger spring.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> 
> 
>> George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> 
>> 
>>> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
>>> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>>> Strobel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>> 
>>> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
>>>> check valve.
>>>> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
>>>> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>>>> 
>>>> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve 
>>>> in
>>>> the decompressor unit.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>>>> 
>>>> George
>>>> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 16:57:58 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:57:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
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Message-ID: <5A4117D8733147F9B0C888A97ADC9C95@edlaptop>

Hi Alan,

I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did not get posted. The Text 
was "
It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it running. It was total 
junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition and mixer on it."

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa


What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?

--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT, USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Rick,
> >> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
> Works perfect as it sucks
> >> in
> >> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
> I had more...
> >
> > Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
> in. They want all the
> > air to come thru the mixer.
> >
> > Thanks Harry
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Dec  7 17:58:55 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:58:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
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The List will not process any attachments Ed.
	Dave

On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did not get posted. The Text 
> was "
> It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it running. It was total 
> junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition and mixer on it."
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
> 
> 
> What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
>> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
>> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
>> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
>> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
>> 
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT, USA
>> www.enginesandmagnets.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Rick,
>>>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
>> Works perfect as it sucks
>>>> in
>>>> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
>> I had more...
>>> 
>>> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
>> in. They want all the
>>> air to come thru the mixer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Harry
>>> 
>>> RickinMt.
>>> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 18:27:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
In-Reply-To: <BFF4AAC1-8CA6-4D57-A29A-EBCE4D41A0C0@me.com>
Message-ID: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

He sent it direcly to me.
Alan

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:58 PM
> The List will not process any
> attachments Ed.
> ??? Dave
> 
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> 
> > Hi Alan,
> > 
> > I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did
> not get posted. The Text 
> > was "
> > It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it
> running. It was total 
> > junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition
> and mixer on it."
> > 
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield,? CT,???USA
> > www.enginesandmagnets.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> - Ottawa
> > 
> > 
> > What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand
> valve
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> >> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> >> also have used that for compression relief. I
> think I better
> >> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check
> valve and
> >> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from
> flying out.
> >> 
> >> Ed Stoller
> >> New Fairfield, CT, USA
> >> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand
> valve
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has
> one.
> >> Works perfect as it sucks
> >>>> in
> >>>> a full charge instead of oonly as half
> one. I wish
> >> I had more...
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air
> coming
> >> in. They want all the
> >>> air to come thru the mixer.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks Harry
> >>> 
> >>> RickinMt.
> >>> 
> >>>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec  7 20:08:12 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:08:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
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Message-ID: <4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day All
I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had 
very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am 
questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too 
big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like 
the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the 
outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
Thanks for suggestions

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec  9 09:34:32 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:34:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
In-Reply-To: <4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>
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Kerry,
I don't know if this would be helpful, but I documented rings I made for a
couple of engines back in '09. The gap was ,625. On the diameter that
works to about 0.2". So the rings were about 0.2" larger than the bore in
the relaxed condition.

The measurements you describe sound about right. I question the material
and the radial thickness. As I recall I used Grade 30 cast iron. That
30,000 psi material. Nice and soft.

See
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC

> G'Day All
> I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had
> very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am
> questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too
> big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like
> the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the
> outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
> Thanks for suggestions
>
> Kerry
> Lithgow NSW Oz
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From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 20:54:28 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:54:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
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Message-ID: <4EE2E604.4020205@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 9:34 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Kerry,
> I don't know if this would be helpful, but I documented rings I made for a
> couple of engines back in '09. The gap was ,625. On the diameter that
> works to about 0.2". So the rings were about 0.2" larger than the bore in
> the relaxed condition.
>
> The measurements you describe sound about right. I question the material
> and the radial thickness. As I recall I used Grade 30 cast iron. That
> 30,000 psi material. Nice and soft.
>
> See
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> G'Day All
>> I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had
>> very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am
>> questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too
>> big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like
>> the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the
>> outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
>> Thanks for suggestions
>>
>> Kerry
>> Lithgow NSW Oz
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There are several ring gap calculators on the Internet.  Google 'piston 
ring gap calculation' for a selection.

R. Holtzer


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 14:16:27 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:16:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Columbus piston
Message-ID: <CB0A256B.BDF7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Here are a couple of pics of the newly removed Columbus piston.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20004.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20005.jpg

It has quite an elaborate ring groove.

The cylinder:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20009.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20010.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20011.jpg

A plate had to be made to safely mount the cylinder in the press as there is
not a lot of support around the bottom of the cylinder. An odd design.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 00:59:35 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:59:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111206203911.00c5f1d8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <7243850E9ADE42F8BDE73DFBAE9CC53A@rodfew3c793iy9>

Hello Jerry

Yes the EV/EG series Bamford's were Mid-Brunswick green and the flywheels
were light grey as far as I know (not silver). The outer face and side rims
of the flywheels were painted light grey - the centre and hub  was mid
Brunswick green.

I have sent 2 x pics to your email address.


Rod and Robyn Sutter
sutter6 at bigpond.net.au


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:15 AM
To: Old Engine List
Cc: SEL List
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           The Pommies and Aussies can probably answer this question.
           A friend is restoring a Bamford EG2 and another larger one (but
   I'm still waiting for Type/Model on that one).
           What were the Bamford colours. On the net I've read "Mid
   Brunswick Green" - the same as Lister- but with silver flywheels. Is
   this correct ?  I do remember that "Mid Brunswick Green" was the
   British standard colour for most engines (and industrial equipment) for
   many years.
           Then the silver flywheels - was the complete flywheel painted
   silver or just the outer face - if it was just the outer face, how far
   did this extend down the sides. Apologies, I'm battling to describe
   this, what I'm trying to ask is, did this silver go onto the sides -
   that flat machined part on the outer edge of the rim and where did it
   stop?
           Pictures of a correctly painted flywheel will be most
   appreciated.
           My friends engines still have some green paint on them which
   could be polished up for colour matching but are currently way out in
   the middle of nowhere and it will simplify matters if I could just
   find  confirmation of the correct colour.
           As usual, thanks in advance for all replies.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 12 21:56:34 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:56:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tangye Register and Web Page
Message-ID: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day All

Probably not many on this list has a English built Tangye engine but 
there are a good number surviving in Australia and other Commonwealth 
counties, to help owners determine the date of there engines a bit 
better as records are confusing and lacking most data,  I have started a 
Tangye register and to give some credit to the register I have developed 
the start of a Tangye Engine web site which will be developed as data 
and time is achieved.
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Tangyeweb.html

Any help or information on Tangye equipment  or improvement to the web 
page gladly received
Thanks to Jim Dunmyer for hosting the web page.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 16:05:09 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] pulley
Message-ID: <6088.74ef9a24.3c194234@aol.com>

Still looking for a pulley for an International M 1 1/2 hp.
 
Thanks  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:03:10 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:03:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
Message-ID: <CB10E3FE.C0CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

As of December 2011 there are now 1256 numbers recorded on the Austral
register.
I have updated the register pages with more pics and the full breakdown of
the numbers at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1211web.htm
And
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Dec 15 20:12:54 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:12:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <CB10E3FE.C0CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20111215231104.0381b4a0@ncweb.com>

The fact that you have accounted for that many engines that old is phenominal!

...and good pix of many of them!

Dave Merchant


At 08:03 PM 12/15/2011, you wrote:
>As of December 2011 there are now 1256 numbers recorded on the Austral
>register.
>I have updated the register pages with more pics and the full breakdown of
>the numbers at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1211web.htm
>And
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>0418 692013
>Earlwood NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at ncweb.com
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Dec 19 14:16:36 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:16:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.

Do the ATIS people still do this?

Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and other forums (other than ATIS Forum).

Only an occasional posting now through SEL.

George




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From sewell at ohio.edu  Mon Dec 19 20:57:21 2011
From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0F8674EFA3209748AC63E990A6F64CED6BF82DE775@EXMAIL2.ohio.edu>

________________________________________
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George [George_Best at adp.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?

Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.

Do the ATIS people still do this?
>> reply

No.

_steve


From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec 19 21:32:26 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:32:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>


On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak 


Times change, George. 

SmokStak offers a 21st century medium of information exchange, while ATIS and OldEngine are stuck in 1999. ATIS still doesn?t allow the exchange of pictures, and OldEngine is limited to 75k. 

I like reading an email about your engines, but seeing high-quality pictures increases the value of your email immensely. My point: Would you rather I send you a list of the engines that were at the show last weekend, or would you rather I sent the pictures? 

Personally, I prefer the intimacy of the email experience over a web-based forum where everyone has secret code names. But familiarity without valuable content is a hollow experience. I stick around for nostalgia?s sake, but I?m afraid that the glory days of SEL are long gone. 

Rob

P.S. 
Feel free to email me with your engine pics!





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 00:13:47 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:13:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>

On 19 December 2011 22:16, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.
>
> Do the ATIS people still do this?
>
> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and other forums (other than ATIS Forum).
>
> Only an occasional posting now through SEL.
>
> George

To be fair to both Jim Dunmyer and Spencer, they have provided a free
service for all these years, all we have had to do is use it. The ATIS
forum never took off, not sure why, but it was there if anyone wanted
to use it.

Even our own small forum gets through 20gb of bandwith usage a month
which has to be paid for, heaven knows what Harry has to pay out for
Smokstak!

The other issue is time, or lack of it. Folks seem to have less time
these days for hobbies and relaxation.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 02:37:48 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:37:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
Message-ID: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines
out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been
touched since its last rally in September 2009.
Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than
that.
The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go
under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the
driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage.
The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the
muffler removed:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jp
g

I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now
has more headroom.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jp
g

It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%200
03.jpg

Merry Christmas to all on the lists.


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 06:10:56 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:10:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>

Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine. 

The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know the size of. 

We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it. 

I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Rob

 
 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 06:13:28 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:13:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <589B5687-5BFD-4C77-9FD4-E25210D8D7B1@rustyiron.com>


On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been touched since its last rally in September 2009. 
> Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than that.
> The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage. 
> The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the muffler removed:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jpg
> 
> I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now has more headroom.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jpg
> 
> It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%20003.jpg
> 
> Merry Christmas to all on the lists.


Fun stuff, Patrick. 
Merry Christmas to you, too.

Rob

 
 



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 07:34:24 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:34:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD2D7A51@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Rob,

Yes, times certainly change.

The late 90's and maybe the first few years of this century were a great time for ATIS/SEL.

ATIS does allow pictures, but that's if you use the ATIS Forums that Spencer started a few years ago.  Unfortunately, the ATIS Forums have gone nowhere and only a handful of diehards post to it.

Of course I'm also guilty in a way as I post more on Smokstak than I do to SEL.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: Old Engine List
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas auction?


On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak 


Times change, George. 

SmokStak offers a 21st century medium of information exchange, while ATIS and OldEngine are stuck in 1999. ATIS still doesn't allow the exchange of pictures, and OldEngine is limited to 75k. 

I like reading an email about your engines, but seeing high-quality pictures increases the value of your email immensely. My point: Would you rather I send you a list of the engines that were at the show last weekend, or would you rather I sent the pictures? 

Personally, I prefer the intimacy of the email experience over a web-based forum where everyone has secret code names. But familiarity without valuable content is a hollow experience. I stick around for nostalgia's sake, but I'm afraid that the glory days of SEL are long gone. 

Rob

P.S. 
Feel free to email me with your engine pics!



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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 07:40:11 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:40:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD2D7AA7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Nice pictures Rob!

Some pretty nice vehicles on display.
That engine behind the Batmobile looks great too! ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: Old Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event

Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It's primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine. 

The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don't know the size of. 

We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it. 

I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Rob

 
 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 07:42:15 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:42:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

So Rob,  What was the reaction of the hot rod set to the old iron?
And was the guy blowing flames adding propane to the exhaust to get the
effect?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, December 20, 2011 9:10 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the
> La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car
> people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an
> engine.
>
> The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue,
> and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We
> raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know
> the size of.
>
> We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a
> lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been
> a part of it.
>
> I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/




From obise at moscow.com  Tue Dec 20 08:26:04 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:26:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
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Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


On 12/20/2011 6:10 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Two weeks ago was the Classic&  Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine.
>
> The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know the size of.
>
> We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it.
>
> I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/
>
> Rob
>
> Thank you for the great pictures, Rob. That last one gets my vote for picture of the year.
Thank you for the great photos, Rob. That last one gets my vote for 
picture of the year.

Merry Christmas!
Orrin
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>


From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 09:08:34 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:08:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
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On Dec 20, 2011, "Arnie Fero" wrote:

> So Rob,  What was the reaction of the hot rod set to the old iron?

Some of us specialize in stationary engines, some in cars, some in aircraft, and others in WWII tanks, but we all appreciate the essence of gearheadedness. They're all separate ingredients to the same pot of stew. 

I have the most fun while displaying at a "mixed" events where I can see the other guys' toys. Another thing--if there are 100 high end cars and one engine, who do you think gets the most attention? Not that in suggesting there are any attention whores here...


> And was the guy blowing flames adding propane to the exhaust to get the effect?

He was injecting liquid fuel into the exhaust, I'm not sure what it was, though. It could have been alcohol. 





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 09:13:42 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
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	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
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And it doesn't hurt that Kelley is standing nearby adding
to the "eye candy" appeal of the engine...  8-))

On Tue, December 20, 2011 12:08 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:

> I have the most fun while displaying at a "mixed" events where I can see
> the other guys' toys. Another thing--if there are 100 high end cars and
> one engine, who do you think gets the most attention? Not that in
> suggesting there are any attention whores here...





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Tue Dec 20 09:45:30 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:45:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
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	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
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I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8 and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 20 12:23:42 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>

I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8
and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:25 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
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Tommy, Mike,
Beer goggles always make things more curvaceous than they really are. Time
to set the brew down for a few minutes :-)
Curt in NC

> I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
> illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)
>
> Tommy Turner

> I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg




From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 13:00:25 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:00:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>
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	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
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I bet that if he had rotated the camera 90 degrees for a portrait style rather than landscape style, that the bent appearing spokes would be in a different location (i.e. 90 degrees).

George

Ps.  Of course if he was in the southern hemisphere the spokes would appear to be bent in the opposite direction ;-)
Pss. Not really.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8
and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 14:11:10 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:11:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <589B5687-5BFD-4C77-9FD4-E25210D8D7B1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CB17532E.C2E8%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some more pics of the move:
My supervisor:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20012.jp
g

The angle makes this look worse than it is but there is no way the engine
will go under the carport:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20013.jp
g

The clearance in the front part of the garage is a little tight as well:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20016.jp
g

Patrick


On 21/12/11 1:13 AM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Moving engines for Christmas
>> As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines
>> out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been
>> touched since its last rally in September 2009.
>> Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than
>> that.
>> The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go
>> under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the
>> driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage.
>> The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the
>> muffler removed:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jpg
>> 
>> I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now
>> has more headroom.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jpg
>> 
>> It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%2000
>> 3.jpg 
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec
>> 003.jpg> 
>> 
>> Merry Christmas to all on the lists.
> 
> Fun stuff, Patrick.
> Merry Christmas to you, too.
> 
> Rob
> 
>  <http://www.rustyiron.com/>
>  <http://www.rustyiron.com/PhoneRob.html>
> 
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Dec 21 04:12:45 2011
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:12:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NYS engine pix
Message-ID: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>

Rob Skinner writes in the "Christmas Event" thread:

>...Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions 
>Club...
>...I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
>http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Ah, I see the Batmobile was there!  If I win the lottery, that is the FIRST 
thing I'm buying... brand new!
http://www.buybatparts.com/joomla/index.php/replicas

---

Oh, and I recently uploaded some (fairly) new engine pix from an 
unofficial(?) engine show I stumbled upon in Duanesburg, NY last year.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canalststation2010/index.html

And also a whole lot of Canandaigua 2008 pix:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2008/index.html
(ok, I'm a little behind on my uploading efforts)

-Rick I.




From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Wed Dec 21 09:54:31 2011
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:54:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NYS engine pix
In-Reply-To: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
Message-ID: <4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>

Rick I. wrote:
> Rob Skinner writes in the "Christmas Event" thread:
> 
>> ...Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions 
>> Club...
>> ...I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
>> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/
> 
> Ah, I see the Batmobile was there!  If I win the lottery, that is the FIRST 
> thing I'm buying... brand new!
> http://www.buybatparts.com/joomla/index.php/replicas
> 
> ---
> 
> Oh, and I recently uploaded some (fairly) new engine pix from an 
> unofficial(?) engine show I stumbled upon in Duanesburg, NY last year.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canalststation2010/index.html
> 
> And also a whole lot of Canandaigua 2008 pix:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2008/index.html
> (ok, I'm a little behind on my uploading efforts)
> 
> -Rick I.
> 

Rick, That Duanesburg show is run by the family that owns Merli.
http://www.merlimfgco.com/

The loco has been in restoration for a lot of years.

-- 
Steve W.


From spiveylk at gru.net  Wed Dec 21 10:26:18 2011
From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K. Spivey)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:26:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Canal Street Station 2011 Picture 'cool looking thing'
 whatizzit Re: SEL Digest, Vol 93, Issue 15
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References: <mailman.0.1324486801.2682.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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It looks like the front end of a wagon with the pivot for the steering 
axle.  The pivot pin is in the center with the ring for load bearing 
points on the axle mechanism to run on.  Wooden leaf springs at the 
bottom(front).  Oh, looking at it from underneath.     Les

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 06:18:45 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:18:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo in the News
Message-ID: <b7399533481d9558009da94f827c59aa.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

The Gumby Arms makes the news...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/scott-walker-recall-kochsucker_n_1163033.html?1324486808&icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl18|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D122144





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 03:19:12 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:19:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction? (the changing nature of the email
 lists)
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CB1AAEE0.C42A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Both ATIS and Oldengine are a lot quieter than they have in the past but
there are still quite a few of the die hards hanging in here.
There are a lot more old iron people on the internet now but a lot more
places for them to go. When I first stumbled upon the lists in the late '90s
there were very few places on the internet for an old iron fix; now there
may be too many. 
I still enjoy reading the post here but I also hang about on the TOMM Forum,
Smokstak, and two of the UK forums (although I only tend to post in one of
them). There are also quite a few of us on Facebook and even a handful on
twitter.
In the last few years I have had to cut back a bit due to getting married,
house renovations, selling, moving, and having a child but I still find time
to get on the net and even get some work done on engines.
Many of us here are like family (even if many of us have never met face to
face) and have gone through many ups and downs together.
Patrick

On 20/12/11 9:16 AM, "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds
> for various charities.
> 
> Do the ATIS people still do this?
> 
> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and
> other forums (other than ATIS Forum).
> 
> Only an occasional posting now through SEL.
> 
> George


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 03:20:50 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:20:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
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Message-ID: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and Carmel


From rfinksr at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 04:42:18 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:42:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
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same back to you Russell
R Fink


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Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all


> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends 
> on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard 
> SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 05:03:00 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:03:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <3bd9c.8b750b5.3c272784@aol.com>



 

In a message dated 12/24/2011 6:32:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our  friends 
on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die  hard 
SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and  Carmel
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------


Merry Christmas to everyone also!
 
Tom and Millie Schmutz





From doubled.66 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 06:03:35 2011
From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (doubled.66 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:03:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <10776263.1010116.1324735415222.JavaMail.root@vznit170128>

   Merry Christmas  to one and all   From the Davis family ( David ,Jana'
   , Bobbi & Jenna ) here in warm sunny Pennsylvania .


   On 12/24/11, Russell<russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

   Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our
   friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still
   a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
   Russell and Carmel
   _______________________________________________
   SEL mailing list
   [1]SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   [2]http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

References

   1. mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   2. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 24 09:01:06 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:01:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <20111224.090202.1646.138272@mailpop30.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Russell.
You are a day ahead of us and already on Christmas day.  Enjoy and have a
prosperous New Year.

Ron and Carol Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell



On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:20:50 +1100 Russell <russell at ncable.com.au>
writes:
> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our 
> friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im 
> still a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has 
> joined.
> Russell and Carmel
____________________________________________________________
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We investigated work at home jobs. What we found may shock you...
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:13:34 2011
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:13:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <0D306A72D7EE4A528E8064EDECBE9CCD@computer>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>,
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>,
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>,
	<0D306A72D7EE4A528E8064EDECBE9CCD@computer>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W48BDCC1A3B349A4A7AC2CD0A80@phx.gbl>


Merry Christmas everyone.    John.

> From: rfinksr at verizon.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:42:18 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
> 
> 
> 
> same back to you Russell
> R Fink
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:20 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
> 
> 
> > Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends 
> > on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard 
> > SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> > Russell and Carmel
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Dec 24 11:18:05 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:18:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin><4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <44464A8DC5A646BCBA8B341EDB62AC62@RoysterPC>

I'll crank a few on Christmas day and think of all my buds out there and 
wish you well.

Mike Royster

-----Original Message----- 
From: Russell
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on 
the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL 
guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and Carmel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:25:01 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 07:25:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

A very Merry Christmas to you all.
Patrick, Ann & Samuel.


On 24/12/11 10:20 PM, "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on
> the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy
> Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From winkandginger at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 12:56:11 2011
From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE909599EF3873-DF4-E7BC@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com>


 .....and we also wish all of our engine friends a "Merry Christmas and a Happy good cheer"!

Wink and Ginger Thornton

ps "and long live the SEL"

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all


A very Merry Christmas to you all.

Patrick, Ann & Samuel.





On 24/12/11 10:20 PM, "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:



> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on

> the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy

> Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.

> Russell and Carmel

> _______________________________________________

> SEL mailing list

> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com

> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





Patrick M Livingstone

0418 692013

Earlwood NSW

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html







_______________________________________________

SEL mailing list

SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com

http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 18:28:09 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:28:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <69f2ec4aeb5ff4bcb681d20ceea5da6e.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

The same back atcha mate!!  Luv to your girls.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to the old iron family!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, December 24, 2011 6:20 am, Russell wrote:
> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends
> on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard
> SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Dec 25 04:45:26 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111225143203.02933538@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi Friends,
           Wishing You and Yours all a great Christmas and that you all
   have a Blessed and enjoyable day.
           It's 2:00 pm here and the "barbie" fire will be started a bit
   later. It's a beautiful summers day and fortunately a little cooler (30
   deg C - 86 deg F) than other days lately but still too hot to cook and
   eat right now so we'll do that a bit later when it gets cooler.
           An SMS I received earlier had the line "Jesus is the Reason for
   the Season" - I think that pretty much sums it up !!

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 09:39:32 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:39:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUCqO3XbUfF7m7W1=ajCAMw_MZzzzE4uQk17T71dkf7nUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas to all from California
Paul


From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Dec 25 15:50:26 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:50:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <BB90D231-A2A7-4EE7-A1FF-3EA47ADF6886@mac.com>

Merry Christmas to all the rusty iron people and those that preserve old ways of life and culture.  From a lurker who someday will learn enough to ask questions.

John and Linda Neth 
In Upper East Tennessee ( at least part of the time .)

Sent from my iPhone


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec 27 09:21:48 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:21:48 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Totally "off topic"
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi All,
           My mother turned 91 today and she celebrated by going for a
   ride on this:
   <[1]http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/>
           My Mom is the 94 year old (they got the age wrong - poetic
   licence ??) mentioned in this article:
   <[2]http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1
   .1202206>
           On Youtube <[3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc> but
   they only show the first part of the ride on this video- it goes a lot
   further.
           She absolutely loved the experience - now I'm worried that she
   may plan a parachute jump next year :-) because both my elder brother
   and I were paratroopers in the good ole South Africa !!!!!!
           All for now.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/
   2. http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1.1202206
   3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc
   4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Dec 28 15:29:47 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:29:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Totally "off topic"
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <20111228232944.D25CA9685@smtp.wcoil.com>



Well Bless her heart, Tell her to go for it. She want's to parachute 
jump next then go with her!   LOL   More Power To Her.  Mark



At 12:21 PM 12/27/2011, you wrote:
>    Hi All,
>            My mother turned 91 today and she celebrated by going for a
>    ride on this:
>    <[1]http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/>
>            My Mom is the 94 year old (they got the age wrong - poetic
>    licence ??) mentioned in this article:
>    <[2]http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1
>    .1202206>
>            On Youtube <[3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc> but
>    they only show the first part of the ride on this video- it goes a lot
>    further.
>            She absolutely loved the experience - now I'm worried that she
>    may plan a parachute jump next year :-) because both my elder brother
>    and I were paratroopers in the good ole South Africa !!!!!!
>            All for now.
>
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>    Jerry Evans
>    Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>    Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>    <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>References
>
>    1. http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/
>    2. 
> http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1.1202206
>    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc
>    4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:51:20 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:51:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
Message-ID: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?
I might give the Stover YC throttler a quick pop at midnight. New Years day
I will probably fire up the 3.5hp Austral portable and perhaps a R&V or two
to celebrate the start of 2012.
Things are much easier actually having a garage and workshop at home :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Dec 29 07:41:09 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:41:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Patrick, you have the benefit of it being summer;-)

Although it was on course to be our driest December on record, that won't be the case as we've got a storm system set up to dump a couple inches of rain on us the next few days.  Doubtful I'll crank up an engine as my barn looks like a disaster after packing too much stuff into it this Fall. May surprise myself and see if I can run one.  Maybe my 1903 4hp Stover.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:51 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up

What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?
I might give the Stover YC throttler a quick pop at midnight. New Years day
I will probably fire up the 3.5hp Austral portable and perhaps a R&V or two
to celebrate the start of 2012.
Things are much easier actually having a garage and workshop at home :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 08:23:57 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:23:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

> Patrick, you have the benefit of it being summer;-)
>
> Although it was on course to be our driest December on record, that won't
> be the case as we've got a storm system set up to dump a couple inches of
> rain on us the next few days.  Doubtful I'll crank up an engine as my barn
> looks like a disaster after packing too much stuff into it this Fall. May
> surprise myself and see if I can run one.  Maybe my 1903 4hp Stover.
>
> George

George is getting soft. Since WHEN did a little rain stop an engine man? :-)
Curt H
P.S. Kerry, wasn't Boone, NC a lot of fun!



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec 29 10:55:46 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:55:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1325178001.29823.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111229201411.02727148@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 29/12/11, you wrote:

     Message: 2
     Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:51:20 +1100
     From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
     What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?

   <snip>

     Patrick M Livingstone

   Hi Patrick,
           Well, the first thing we will "fire up" will be the old Weber
   Braai (that's BBQ to the unenlightened :-))
           Then we'll probably crack a good few ales or similar.
           Then, before the "ales" take their toll we'll look at an engine
   or two.
           I think that, in honour of all our Aussie mates it will have to
   be "Reggie" my 'lil Ronnie N :
   <[1]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>
           but, as Arnie pointed out, with a name like "Reggie" he is
   bound to misbehave (especially after a good few ales).
           Maybe I'll try his mate "Rusty" after that:
   <[2]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Rustydone2.JPG>
           "Rusty" is a true British gentleman and always starts up with
   one or two swings of the crankhandle - very reliable. He also has a
   very quiet muffled sound "Poof - Poof - Poof". Very much like a
   "poofter" farting !!
           Failing all of the above, It'll have to be a bloody Maytag  :-)
   !!!
   <[3]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/maytag/index.htm>
   (sorry Mark) (Dave they do run by themselves !)
           Whatever happens you can all be sure that Jacqui and I will be
   thinking of all the fantastic friends that we've made on these lists
   and will drink quite a few "toasts" to all you great guys 'n gals -
   that's a promise.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm
   2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Rustydone2.JPG
   3. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/maytag/index.htm
   4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 29 12:58:57 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:58:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <4EFCD491.1030303@optusnet.com.au>

Curt, "Boone" yes, never will forget, having to be pulled out by a 
tractor, can't say anything about George, I need to get myself into gear 
to start a engine as well.
Kerry

-- 
Kerry Morris
Tangye Engine Registrar
0400421133
Web Page.   www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



George is getting soft. Since WHEN did a little rain stop an engine man? 
:-) Curt H P.S. Kerry, wasn't Boone, NC a lot of fun!




From cwja at telus.net  Thu Dec 29 17:53:44 2011
From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:53:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crankup
Message-ID: <4EFD19A8.8040509@telus.net>

     I can remember the first Crankup and that I started my 1915 Novo 
but age prevents me from remembering what year it was but I know it was 
a long time ago. Somewhat like my first kiss... Knew it was a great but 
who the heck was she?

I am going out to the lake and fire up the same old Novo on New Year's 
Day.  Happy New Year to All

Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 31 06:14:39 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 01:14:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New year crank up
Message-ID: <4EFF18CF.7000909@optusnet.com.au>

now 1.11am and just came in from the shed after running a 8 HP Austral 
and a 7.5 HP Hornsby, bit of a noise at this time of the day, see what 
the next doors think later in the morning 8-))

Kerry

-- 
Kerry Morris
Tangye Engine Registrar
0400421133
Web Page.   www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Dec 31 12:55:39 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:55:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111231225217.00bd53e0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi All,
	Best wishes for 2012 to you all.

	Just over an hour to go here but a thunderstorm and cold wind means that 
I'll be seeing the new year in from my bed - no midnight engine start up :-(

	We will try again tomorrow.

Best of everything
from,
Jerry & Jacqui



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 31 17:54:37 2011
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:54:37 GMT
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Happy_New_Year?=
Message-ID: <20111231.205437.32462.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Happy New Year Everyone !!


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         Merry Christmas and
 (_0_)      Happy New Year to everyone.    
                       

                                

____________________________________________________________
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Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4effbd266f20c104815fst05vuc

From doubled.66 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 31 19:01:58 2011
From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (doubled.66 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:01:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year
Message-ID: <32320543.1527554.1325386918258.JavaMail.root@vznit170116>

   Happy New Year Joe


   On 12/31/11, jlb94 at juno.com<jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

   Happy New Year Everyone !!
   Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
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   ,-._,-. [3]http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/ Merry Christmas and
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   Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Dec 31 20:35:02 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:35:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell contact me please
Message-ID: <9D914007A4224C2A8213AAFC8370F267@PeterPC>

Could Arthur Southwell please contact me about the stamps I promised you.
Peter Lowe
Australia

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:17:26 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:17:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From the Furnace to the Farm
Message-ID: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have added some great material from a 1920's Ronaldson-Tippet catalogue to
my site. It shows the manufacturing of an engine from pig iron to the
completed product:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/fttf/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 03:46:49 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:46:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From the Furnace to the Farm
In-Reply-To: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAFDAD76.B94F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED76929.4070502@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks Patrick, great arrangement of  photos to show main parts of 
Austral manufacture.

Kerry


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec  1 06:14:59 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:14:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
	<302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>
Message-ID: <3182caf689b55134b34ea415b474f571.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Have no idea if it helps or would help - when I don't have a SEALED metal
container handy (I do in the lower shop, just not the second story wood
shop) I lay the rags out in a single flat layer to dry. No bunches, not
touching each other, flat to dry out.
some things like oils and linseed oil is among them, of course, don't
"dry" like thinners and so on, but at least there's no place for the heat
to grow.
Might not be good enough.......

Metal containers with metal lids that can't draw a breath - probably the
only really safe bet.

Bill

> I knew it, and still had it happen.  I wadded up my rag and threw it
> outside on the gravel while I went in to grab lunch.   I almost chastised
> myself for being too cautious.   Nothing could happen over a lunch- right?
>
> Came back from lunch to a scorched rag smoldering on the gravel parking
> pad.  In my case I think the sun accelerated the time to combustion(and it
> was summer) because the shade retreated from the rag; but still- up in
> smoke in 45 mins!
>
> Definitely be careful with linseed oil.
>
> PS.  I have one of those rag buckets now where you can't leave the lid
> open.
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 17:18, "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:
>
>> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
>>
>> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never
>> experienced it.
>>
>> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart
>> face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas...
>> flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
>>
>> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was
>> no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was
>> to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled
>> linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
>>
>> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and
>> mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an
>> oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
>>
>> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down
>> to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across
>> the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still
>> cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were
>> glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our
>> grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
>>
>> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was
>> disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without
>> causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The
>> fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm
>> system.
>>
>> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we
>> weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop
>> connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months,
>> but a fire could take down everything.
>>
>> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about
>> this in grade school.
>>
>> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only
>> consequence is having to air the place out.
>>
>> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."
>> Yep, I hear you.
>>
>> Be warned...
>>
>> Jim in Vermont
>>
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 11:41:30 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:41:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From Furnace to Farm
Message-ID: <9E45D1090DEF4ED293ADDA97E87C791A@jackospc>

Thanks Patrick. That is one of the most informative things that I have seen on the list. John Mathieson

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec  3 05:30:11 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:30:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
Message-ID: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472

OK, who's up for it?  8-))





From rotigel at me.com  Sat Dec  3 05:54:18 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:54:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>

Eat enough of the shit and you turn into an abbo!
	Dave

On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>
> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 08:19:02 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:19:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>


  G'day all;
Galloway's used a decompressor hand valve with built in checkvalve.  Did any 
other engines use this feature and does it seem like this is a proprietary 
valve?  I've never seen a handvalve with built in check until the Gal's came 
along.

Thanks much
RickinMt. 



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec  3 08:38:39 2011
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:38:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>

Rick,
I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks in 
a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"stationary-engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


>
>  G'day all;
> Galloway's used a decompressor hand valve with built in checkvalve.  Did 
> any other engines use this feature and does it seem like this is a 
> proprietary valve?  I've never seen a handvalve with built in check until 
> the Gal's came along.
>
> Thanks much
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 09:06:37 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUA6w5Jakb6XMU+0==oKVq=5MDRi89GkFKPcrANGX1vDhw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure I eat enough bugs when I stop at a fast food restaurant BUT there
is some credibility to this.

Jap POW's that were slaves for Mitsubishi survived longer than others
becase they had what they called 'brown rice' that was full of maggots and
a source of protein.

I'll pass on intentionally eating the bugs or driving a Mitsubishi.

Paul


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:15:29 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:15:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
	<E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl>
	<E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>





> Rick,
> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
> in
> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...

Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
air to come thru the mixer.

Thanks Harry

RickinMt. 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 09:26:41 2011
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com><597FC5AD-7B91-439F-BD79-9554A9EFB552@me.com>
	<CAMuKiUA6w5Jakb6XMU+0==oKVq=5MDRi89GkFKPcrANGX1vDhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01746806761A41C4BA67974FE2181CA3@YOURDA6F5028CB>

My Dutch father-in-law "worked" for Mitsubishi as a prisoner of war. He made it through but never talked much about the ordeal.
I would like to ask him about the brown rice but he died at the age of 85. His eyes were kinda bad in later years because he was one 
of the few that
survived the battle of the Java sea, floating in the oil saturated water apparently caused this problem.
We drove his Mitsubishi Gallant all around Holland and Germany in 1984. Nice car.

Skip

Subject: Re: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?


> I'm sure I eat enough bugs when I stop at a fast food restaurant BUT there
> is some credibility to this.
>
> Jap POW's that were slaves for Mitsubishi survived longer than others
> becase they had what they called 'brown rice' that was full of maggots and
> a source of protein.
>
> I'll pass on intentionally eating the bugs or driving a Mitsubishi.
>
> Paul
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:45:50 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:45:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds13AC7C865024CCDE36016ABBB70@phx.gbl>

Here's a blowup of the decompressor which intrudes into the cylinder about 
halfway the length.



http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1104083442039077051cnUJgJ











----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


>
>
>
>
> > Rick,
> > I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
> > in
> > a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...
>
> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
> air to come thru the mixer.
>
> Thanks Harry
>
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dakinneyfnp at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 11:33:25 2011
From: dakinneyfnp at gmail.com (Debbie Kinney)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:33:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
In-Reply-To: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CANR_V_ePnpTZnA3+a1vug_ym9ovqwUvscbZ0aejfxjLfpLaszQ@mail.gmail.com>

You have my portion.
Deb

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>
> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>
>
>
>
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>
> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> with:
> unsubscribe
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>



-- 
Debbie


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec  3 13:31:40 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:31:40 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?
References: <83db292df9a1e3b436f0637f94c7f2d1.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<CANR_V_ePnpTZnA3+a1vug_ym9ovqwUvscbZ0aejfxjLfpLaszQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA7627A8C7F64BDBB600ED99605179C5@craig8b4f43368>

As long there is a nuse on the team and the nukelear engineer is willing 
then  I think we should let him lead by example.

Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Kinney" <dakinneyfnp at gmail.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bush Tucker for the 2013 Oz National?


> You have my portion.
> Deb
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15851472
>>
>> OK, who's up for it?  8-))
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
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>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  3 18:06:39 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:06:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
References: <SNT143-ds21293A5625F24F040E7872BBB70@phx.gbl><E7A0C4D77FDC484BBF8442115E829D5C@packard971eb80>
	<SNT143-ds209499EFEE0480DB0A0DF5BBB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AF33D54DCE9C4DFF809A3146510C4D78@edlaptop>

I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and also have used that for compression relief. I think I better put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Rick,
>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one. Works perfect as it sucks 
>> in
>> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish I had more...
> 
> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming in.  They want all the 
> air to come thru the mixer.
> 
> Thanks Harry
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 05:27:05 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 05:27:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
In-Reply-To: <AF33D54DCE9C4DFF809A3146510C4D78@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <1323005225.62793.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?

--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,? CT,???USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Rick,
> >> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
> Works perfect as it sucks 
> >> in
> >> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
> I had more...
> > 
> > Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
> in.? They want all the 
> > air to come thru the mixer.
> > 
> > Thanks Harry
> > 
> > RickinMt. 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 05:47:29 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 07:47:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Long neck fuel & oil funnel
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All,
Many years ago I got a really nice long necked ridge curved plastic funnel which worked very well when trying to put fuel in those hard to reach gas tanks directly under the water hoppers on our engines. It was especially nice as I could wedge it tightly into the gas tank filler opening up against the water hopper preventing it from moving while pouring in the fuel.  Regretfully with age the long curved neck broke off so now its almost useles for it orginal purpose. The only brand name is embosed at the top of the funnel (Hollywood Accessories)and is heavy duty blue plastic.  I have searched internet wide looking for a replacement with no luck. As anybody seen or know of a source?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree 


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Dec  4 11:59:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:59:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Long neck fuel & oil funnel
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Is this what you are after Curt? See: http://www.amazon.com/IMPERIAL-72552-PLASTIC-FUNNEL-QT/dp/B001CIK9UA/ref=sr_1_94?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1323028566&sr=1-94
	Dave

On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:47 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> All,
> Many years ago I got a really nice long necked ridge curved plastic  
> funnel which worked very well when trying to put fuel in those hard  
> to reach gas tanks directly under the water hoppers on our engines.  
> It was especially nice as I could wedge it tightly into the gas tank  
> filler opening up against the water hopper preventing it from moving  
> while pouring in the fuel.  Regretfully with age the long curved  
> neck broke off so now its almost useles for it orginal purpose. The  
> only brand name is embosed at the top of the funnel (Hollywood  
> Accessories)and is heavy duty blue plastic.  I have searched  
> internet wide looking for a replacement with no luck. As anybody  
> seen or know of a source?
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec  6 11:15:20 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:15:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111206203911.00c5f1d8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           The Pommies and Aussies can probably answer this question.
           A friend is restoring a Bamford EG2 and another larger one (but
   I'm still waiting for Type/Model on that one).
           What were the Bamford colours. On the net I've read "Mid
   Brunswick Green" - the same as Lister- but with silver flywheels. Is
   this correct ?  I do remember that "Mid Brunswick Green" was the
   British standard colour for most engines (and industrial equipment) for
   many years.
           Then the silver flywheels - was the complete flywheel painted
   silver or just the outer face - if it was just the outer face, how far
   did this extend down the sides. Apologies, I'm battling to describe
   this, what I'm trying to ask is, did this silver go onto the sides -
   that flat machined part on the outer edge of the rim and where did it
   stop?
           Pictures of a correctly painted flywheel will be most
   appreciated.
           My friends engines still have some green paint on them which
   could be polished up for colour matching but are currently way out in
   the middle of nowhere and it will simplify matters if I could just
   find  confirmation of the correct colour.
           As usual, thanks in advance for all replies.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:26:34 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:26:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Columbus Mystery
Message-ID: <CB04EFDA.BBE3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The piston is finally out of the Columbus. A mate took it to work and put it
in their pig press after a day of warming in their heat tank.
It took 7 tonne to push it out but no real drama.
The big mystery is... There are no rings on the piston!
We think the last time this engine possibly ran was WWI but where have the
rings gone? One possibility is that this engine had been used as a parts
donor for other Columbus engines the company owned but I guess we will never
know for sure.
The good news is that the bore and piston are in excellent condition.

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From george at irontrader.com  Tue Dec  6 21:00:57 2011
From: george at irontrader.com (=?utf-8?B?Z2VvcmdlQGlyb250cmFkZXIuY29t?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:00:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Columbus_Mystery?=
Message-ID: <20111207050045.40B6365B431@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Got a picture of that pig press? ;-)

Sent from my  smartphone

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Subject: [SEL] Columbus Mystery
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:26 pm


The piston is finally out of the Columbus. A mate took it to work and put it
in their pig press after a day of warming in their heat tank.
It took 7 tonne to push it out but no real drama.
The big mystery is... There are no rings on the piston!
We think the last time this engine possibly ran was WWI but where have the
rings gone? One possibility is that this engine had been used as a parts
donor for other Columbus engines the company owned but I guess we will never
know for sure.
The good news is that the bore and piston are in excellent condition.

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 07:45:46 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a check valve.
This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the cylinder above the exhaust valve.

You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in the decompressor unit.

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg

http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg

Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.

George


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 09:58:20 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:58:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.

Thanks
Rick


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> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a 
> check valve.
> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the 
> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>
> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in 
> the decompressor unit.
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>
> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>
> George
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 10:10:36 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:10:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
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George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.

Thanks
Rick


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> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a 
> check valve.
> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the 
> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>
> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in 
> the decompressor unit.
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>
> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>
> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>
> George
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 11:28:39 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:28:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
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> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 12:50:12 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:50:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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Maybe because the spring on the valve is strong enough it doesn't act like the intake valve.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:29 AM
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George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Dec  7 13:28:26 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:28:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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The more I thought about it.....

If a cylinder has two atmospheric intake valves, I'm thinking that only the one with the weakest spring will open.  I think with one valve open there wouldn't be enough suction to open the second valve.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George (DS)
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve

Maybe because the spring on the valve is strong enough it doesn't act like the intake valve.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:29 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve

George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??












----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
> > check valve.
> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
> >
> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve in
> > the decompressor unit.
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
> >
> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
> >
> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
> >
> > George
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec  7 15:42:04 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:42:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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I think the answer is the same as why the exhaust valve doesn't open on the 
inlet stroke. It has a much stronger spring.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve


> George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
>> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
>> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>> Strobel
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>
>> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>
>>
>> > Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
>> > check valve.
>> > This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
>> > cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>> >
>> > You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve 
>> > in
>> > the decompressor unit.
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>> >
>> > Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Dec  7 16:15:03 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:15:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
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I've studied these engines for more years than most of you on the List have been alive. The answer here (as well as to most questions about antique internal combustion engines) is simple--it's magic!
	Dave

On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:42 PM, John Mathieson wrote:

> I think the answer is the same as why the exhaust valve doesn't open on the 
> inlet stroke. It has a much stronger spring.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> 
> 
>> George..why doesn't it open on the intake stroke??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> 
>> 
>>> I've thought it could even be used to prime the engine, although pouring 
>>> gas into the little holes on the top may be a bit messy.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>>> Strobel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>> 
>>> George, I'd say that decompressor unit would be handy for several things.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Here's another engine with a decompressor valve,  although not with a
>>>> check valve.
>>>> This is my 1910 Ceres (French) engine.  The valve sits on top of the
>>>> cylinder above the exhaust valve.
>>>> 
>>>> You can press down on the top of the decompressor which opens a valve 
>>>> in
>>>> the decompressor unit.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres1.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.irontrader.com/graphics/ceres2.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> Not really sure how it is supposed to be used.
>>>> 
>>>> George
>>>> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 16:57:58 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:57:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
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Hi Alan,

I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did not get posted. The Text 
was "
It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it running. It was total 
junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition and mixer on it."

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa


What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?

--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT, USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Rick,
> >> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
> Works perfect as it sucks
> >> in
> >> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
> I had more...
> >
> > Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
> in. They want all the
> > air to come thru the mixer.
> >
> > Thanks Harry
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Dec  7 17:58:55 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:58:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
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The List will not process any attachments Ed.
	Dave

On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did not get posted. The Text 
> was "
> It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it running. It was total 
> junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition and mixer on it."
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
> 
> 
> What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
>> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
>> also have used that for compression relief. I think I better
>> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check valve and
>> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from flying out.
>> 
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT, USA
>> www.enginesandmagnets.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Rick,
>>>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has one.
>> Works perfect as it sucks
>>>> in
>>>> a full charge instead of oonly as half one. I wish
>> I had more...
>>> 
>>> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air coming
>> in. They want all the
>>> air to come thru the mixer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Harry
>>> 
>>> RickinMt.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 18:27:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
In-Reply-To: <BFF4AAC1-8CA6-4D57-A29A-EBCE4D41A0C0@me.com>
Message-ID: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

He sent it direcly to me.
Alan

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve - Ottawa
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:58 PM
> The List will not process any
> attachments Ed.
> ??? Dave
> 
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> 
> > Hi Alan,
> > 
> > I sent a reply with an small image in it but it did
> not get posted. The Text 
> > was "
> > It is an ES 4282. Right mow I need more time to get it
> running. It was total 
> > junk when I got it and for now have home made ignition
> and mixer on it."
> > 
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield,? CT,???USA
> > www.enginesandmagnets.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand valve
> - Ottawa
> > 
> > 
> > What model of Ottawa do you have Ed?
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand
> valve
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06 PM
> >> I added a primer cup to my Ottawa and
> >> also have used that for compression relief. I
> think I better
> >> put a ball bearing in the cup to work as a check
> valve and
> >> put a screen over the cup to keep the ball from
> flying out.
> >> 
> >> Ed Stoller
> >> New Fairfield, CT, USA
> >> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway's decompressor hand
> valve
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>> I have an Associated 6 Mule team that has
> one.
> >> Works perfect as it sucks
> >>>> in
> >>>> a full charge instead of oonly as half
> one. I wish
> >> I had more...
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, the Gals let air out but check the air
> coming
> >> in. They want all the
> >>> air to come thru the mixer.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks Harry
> >>> 
> >>> RickinMt.
> >>> 
> >>>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec  7 20:08:12 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:08:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
In-Reply-To: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day All
I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had 
very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am 
questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too 
big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like 
the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the 
outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
Thanks for suggestions

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec  9 09:34:32 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:34:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
In-Reply-To: <4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <9cc0c017313e0c31c4b28815df471e4d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

Kerry,
I don't know if this would be helpful, but I documented rings I made for a
couple of engines back in '09. The gap was ,625. On the diameter that
works to about 0.2". So the rings were about 0.2" larger than the bore in
the relaxed condition.

The measurements you describe sound about right. I question the material
and the radial thickness. As I recall I used Grade 30 cast iron. That
30,000 psi material. Nice and soft.

See
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC

> G'Day All
> I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had
> very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am
> questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too
> big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like
> the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the
> outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
> Thanks for suggestions
>
> Kerry
> Lithgow NSW Oz
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From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 20:54:28 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:54:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Size
In-Reply-To: <9cc0c017313e0c31c4b28815df471e4d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <1323311229.32389.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4EE0382C.6080409@optusnet.com.au>
	<9cc0c017313e0c31c4b28815df471e4d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <4EE2E604.4020205@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 9:34 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Kerry,
> I don't know if this would be helpful, but I documented rings I made for a
> couple of engines back in '09. The gap was ,625. On the diameter that
> works to about 0.2". So the rings were about 0.2" larger than the bore in
> the relaxed condition.
>
> The measurements you describe sound about right. I question the material
> and the radial thickness. As I recall I used Grade 30 cast iron. That
> 30,000 psi material. Nice and soft.
>
> See
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> G'Day All
>> I just pulled the piston out of an engine that I have that never had
>> very good compression, bore not brilliant but its the rings I am
>> questioning as when I pulled the piston out two of the rings looked too
>> big and requires a lot of force to push them in by hand to anything like
>> the piston size. The piston is 5.5 inch in Dia and the normal dia of the
>> outside of rings is 5.75, is that two much, width is 3/8.
>> Thanks for suggestions
>>
>> Kerry
>> Lithgow NSW Oz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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>
There are several ring gap calculators on the Internet.  Google 'piston 
ring gap calculation' for a selection.

R. Holtzer


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 14:16:27 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:16:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Columbus piston
Message-ID: <CB0A256B.BDF7%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Here are a couple of pics of the newly removed Columbus piston.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20004.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20005.jpg

It has quite an elaborate ring groove.

The cylinder:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20009.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20010.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/col2011dec%20011.jpg

A plate had to be made to safely mount the cylinder in the press as there is
not a lot of support around the bottom of the cylinder. An odd design.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 00:59:35 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:59:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111206203911.00c5f1d8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <7243850E9ADE42F8BDE73DFBAE9CC53A@rodfew3c793iy9>

Hello Jerry

Yes the EV/EG series Bamford's were Mid-Brunswick green and the flywheels
were light grey as far as I know (not silver). The outer face and side rims
of the flywheels were painted light grey - the centre and hub  was mid
Brunswick green.

I have sent 2 x pics to your email address.


Rod and Robyn Sutter
sutter6 at bigpond.net.au


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:15 AM
To: Old Engine List
Cc: SEL List
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EG colours

   Hi Guys 'n Gals,
           The Pommies and Aussies can probably answer this question.
           A friend is restoring a Bamford EG2 and another larger one (but
   I'm still waiting for Type/Model on that one).
           What were the Bamford colours. On the net I've read "Mid
   Brunswick Green" - the same as Lister- but with silver flywheels. Is
   this correct ?  I do remember that "Mid Brunswick Green" was the
   British standard colour for most engines (and industrial equipment) for
   many years.
           Then the silver flywheels - was the complete flywheel painted
   silver or just the outer face - if it was just the outer face, how far
   did this extend down the sides. Apologies, I'm battling to describe
   this, what I'm trying to ask is, did this silver go onto the sides -
   that flat machined part on the outer edge of the rim and where did it
   stop?
           Pictures of a correctly painted flywheel will be most
   appreciated.
           My friends engines still have some green paint on them which
   could be polished up for colour matching but are currently way out in
   the middle of nowhere and it will simplify matters if I could just
   find  confirmation of the correct colour.
           As usual, thanks in advance for all replies.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 12 21:56:34 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:56:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tangye Register and Web Page
Message-ID: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day All

Probably not many on this list has a English built Tangye engine but 
there are a good number surviving in Australia and other Commonwealth 
counties, to help owners determine the date of there engines a bit 
better as records are confusing and lacking most data,  I have started a 
Tangye register and to give some credit to the register I have developed 
the start of a Tangye Engine web site which will be developed as data 
and time is achieved.
  http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Tangyeweb.html

Any help or information on Tangye equipment  or improvement to the web 
page gladly received
Thanks to Jim Dunmyer for hosting the web page.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 16:05:09 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] pulley
Message-ID: <6088.74ef9a24.3c194234@aol.com>

Still looking for a pulley for an International M 1 1/2 hp.
 
Thanks  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:03:10 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:03:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
Message-ID: <CB10E3FE.C0CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

As of December 2011 there are now 1256 numbers recorded on the Austral
register.
I have updated the register pages with more pics and the full breakdown of
the numbers at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1211web.htm
And
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Dec 15 20:12:54 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:12:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <CB10E3FE.C0CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20111215231104.0381b4a0@ncweb.com>

The fact that you have accounted for that many engines that old is phenominal!

...and good pix of many of them!

Dave Merchant


At 08:03 PM 12/15/2011, you wrote:
>As of December 2011 there are now 1256 numbers recorded on the Austral
>register.
>I have updated the register pages with more pics and the full breakdown of
>the numbers at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1211web.htm
>And
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>0418 692013
>Earlwood NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at ncweb.com
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Dec 19 14:16:36 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:16:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.

Do the ATIS people still do this?

Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and other forums (other than ATIS Forum).

Only an occasional posting now through SEL.

George




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From sewell at ohio.edu  Mon Dec 19 20:57:21 2011
From: sewell at ohio.edu (Sewell, Steven)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
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________________________________________
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George [George_Best at adp.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?

Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.

Do the ATIS people still do this?
>> reply

No.

_steve


From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec 19 21:32:26 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:32:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>


On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak 


Times change, George. 

SmokStak offers a 21st century medium of information exchange, while ATIS and OldEngine are stuck in 1999. ATIS still doesn?t allow the exchange of pictures, and OldEngine is limited to 75k. 

I like reading an email about your engines, but seeing high-quality pictures increases the value of your email immensely. My point: Would you rather I send you a list of the engines that were at the show last weekend, or would you rather I sent the pictures? 

Personally, I prefer the intimacy of the email experience over a web-based forum where everyone has secret code names. But familiarity without valuable content is a hollow experience. I stick around for nostalgia?s sake, but I?m afraid that the glory days of SEL are long gone. 

Rob

P.S. 
Feel free to email me with your engine pics!





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 00:13:47 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:13:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>

On 19 December 2011 22:16, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds for various charities.
>
> Do the ATIS people still do this?
>
> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and other forums (other than ATIS Forum).
>
> Only an occasional posting now through SEL.
>
> George

To be fair to both Jim Dunmyer and Spencer, they have provided a free
service for all these years, all we have had to do is use it. The ATIS
forum never took off, not sure why, but it was there if anyone wanted
to use it.

Even our own small forum gets through 20gb of bandwith usage a month
which has to be paid for, heaven knows what Harry has to pay out for
Smokstak!

The other issue is time, or lack of it. Folks seem to have less time
these days for hobbies and relaxation.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 02:37:48 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:37:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
Message-ID: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines
out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been
touched since its last rally in September 2009.
Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than
that.
The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go
under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the
driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage.
The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the
muffler removed:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jp
g

I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now
has more headroom.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jp
g

It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%200
03.jpg

Merry Christmas to all on the lists.


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 06:10:56 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:10:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>

Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine. 

The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know the size of. 

We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it. 

I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Rob

 
 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 06:13:28 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:13:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB16B0AC.C2AA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <589B5687-5BFD-4C77-9FD4-E25210D8D7B1@rustyiron.com>


On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been touched since its last rally in September 2009. 
> Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than that.
> The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage. 
> The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the muffler removed:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jpg
> 
> I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now has more headroom.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jpg
> 
> It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%20003.jpg
> 
> Merry Christmas to all on the lists.


Fun stuff, Patrick. 
Merry Christmas to you, too.

Rob

 
 



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 07:34:24 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:34:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction?
In-Reply-To: <E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<E8526BDC-B71C-49ED-BDBC-6199EADD7B0D@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD2D7A51@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Rob,

Yes, times certainly change.

The late 90's and maybe the first few years of this century were a great time for ATIS/SEL.

ATIS does allow pictures, but that's if you use the ATIS Forums that Spencer started a few years ago.  Unfortunately, the ATIS Forums have gone nowhere and only a handful of diehards post to it.

Of course I'm also guilty in a way as I post more on Smokstak than I do to SEL.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: Old Engine List
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas auction?


On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak 


Times change, George. 

SmokStak offers a 21st century medium of information exchange, while ATIS and OldEngine are stuck in 1999. ATIS still doesn't allow the exchange of pictures, and OldEngine is limited to 75k. 

I like reading an email about your engines, but seeing high-quality pictures increases the value of your email immensely. My point: Would you rather I send you a list of the engines that were at the show last weekend, or would you rather I sent the pictures? 

Personally, I prefer the intimacy of the email experience over a web-based forum where everyone has secret code names. But familiarity without valuable content is a hollow experience. I stick around for nostalgia's sake, but I'm afraid that the glory days of SEL are long gone. 

Rob

P.S. 
Feel free to email me with your engine pics!



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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 07:40:11 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:40:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
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Nice pictures Rob!

Some pretty nice vehicles on display.
That engine behind the Batmobile looks great too! ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: Old Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event

Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It's primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine. 

The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don't know the size of. 

We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it. 

I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Rob

 
 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 07:42:15 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:42:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

So Rob,  What was the reaction of the hot rod set to the old iron?
And was the guy blowing flames adding propane to the exhaust to get the
effect?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, December 20, 2011 9:10 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Two weeks ago was the Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the
> La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car
> people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an
> engine.
>
> The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue,
> and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We
> raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know
> the size of.
>
> We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a
> lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been
> a part of it.
>
> I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/




From obise at moscow.com  Tue Dec 20 08:26:04 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:26:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4EF0B71C.4070801@moscow.com>


Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


On 12/20/2011 6:10 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Two weeks ago was the Classic&  Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions Club. It?s primarily a car event put together by car people, but Kelley and I provided some sick style by rolling out an engine.
>
> The event attracted 160+ cars that were able to make it into the venue, and many that had to park in the street and at surrounding businesses. We raised 580+ toys for local children, and a pile of cash that I don?t know the size of.
>
> We were able to do some nice things, see some A-List cars, and talk to a lot of nice people. I?m grateful to have had the opportunity to have been a part of it.
>
> I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/
>
> Rob
>
> Thank you for the great pictures, Rob. That last one gets my vote for picture of the year.
Thank you for the great photos, Rob. That last one gets my vote for 
picture of the year.

Merry Christmas!
Orrin
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>


From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 09:08:34 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:08:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>

On Dec 20, 2011, "Arnie Fero" wrote:

> So Rob,  What was the reaction of the hot rod set to the old iron?

Some of us specialize in stationary engines, some in cars, some in aircraft, and others in WWII tanks, but we all appreciate the essence of gearheadedness. They're all separate ingredients to the same pot of stew. 

I have the most fun while displaying at a "mixed" events where I can see the other guys' toys. Another thing--if there are 100 high end cars and one engine, who do you think gets the most attention? Not that in suggesting there are any attention whores here...


> And was the guy blowing flames adding propane to the exhaust to get the effect?

He was injecting liquid fuel into the exhaust, I'm not sure what it was, though. It could have been alcohol. 





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 09:13:42 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9386576d6b5cb26ae15ef5f67c6fd050.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

And it doesn't hurt that Kelley is standing nearby adding
to the "eye candy" appeal of the engine...  8-))

On Tue, December 20, 2011 12:08 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:

> I have the most fun while displaying at a "mixed" events where I can see
> the other guys' toys. Another thing--if there are 100 high end cars and
> one engine, who do you think gets the most attention? Not that in
> suggesting there are any attention whores here...





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Tue Dec 20 09:45:30 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:45:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>

I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8 and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 20 12:23:42 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
	<EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>

I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8
and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:25 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
	<EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>
	<006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>
Message-ID: <25d7e38cab61bece8bdbd6c24bb8f6fc.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

Tommy, Mike,
Beer goggles always make things more curvaceous than they really are. Time
to set the brew down for a few minutes :-)
Curt in NC

> I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
> illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)
>
> Tommy Turner

> I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg




From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Dec 20 13:00:25 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:00:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Christmas Event
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>
References: <4EE6E912.2070007@optusnet.com.au>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CAMEZ00Le9SmAkcNoaz_F+a_cLavTuZL1+_YnSnCyRuZUK_3QLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<310FB978-67D2-467F-9D0E-67EA7590762B@rustyiron.com>
	<b42140cfc750243e823943390a3bb6a6.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<A21EDC0E-7CB3-4536-A76C-6A8012C3E956@rustyiron.com>
	<EEEE2BDD-CC1B-4B2A-890C-935B6791EE6A@windstream.net>
	<006d01ccbf55$4503e3f0$cf0babd0$@com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD3E5776@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I bet that if he had rotated the camera 90 degrees for a portrait style rather than landscape style, that the bent appearing spokes would be in a different location (i.e. 90 degrees).

George

Ps.  Of course if he was in the southern hemisphere the spokes would appear to be bent in the opposite direction ;-)
Pss. Not really.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I noticed that Mike and thought it was kind of neat.  Maybe its not an
illusion....maybe they are bowed! (na!)

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Event

I love the optical illusion of the spoke shapes in
http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/IMG_4627.jpg

The spokes at 9 and 3... very "bowed," at 10 and 4... kinda' bowed and at 8
and 2 mostly straight!

Mike
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________




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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 14:11:10 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:11:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moving engines for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <589B5687-5BFD-4C77-9FD4-E25210D8D7B1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CB17532E.C2E8%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some more pics of the move:
My supervisor:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20012.jp
g

The angle makes this look worse than it is but there is no way the engine
will go under the carport:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20013.jp
g

The clearance in the front part of the garage is a little tight as well:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20016.jp
g

Patrick


On 21/12/11 1:13 AM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Moving engines for Christmas
>> As a Christmas present to myself I brought another of my favourite engines
>> out of storage in the weekend. The throttle governed YC Stover has not been
>> touched since its last rally in September 2009.
>> Once in its new home is started first pull. You cannot ask for more than
>> that.
>> The only problem I had is the height of the engine. It is too tall to go
>> under the carport on the trailer so I had to unload it at the end of the
>> driveway and my wife and I pushed it to the garage.
>> The Stover just clears the doorway and the front part of the garage with the
>> muffler removed:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20001.jpg
>> 
>> I have swapped the Austral and Stover around so that the taller engine now
>> has more headroom.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/garage2011dec%20002.jpg
>> 
>> It also placed my two 1917 engines end to end:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec%2000
>> 3.jpg 
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral1874/garage2011dec
>> 003.jpg> 
>> 
>> Merry Christmas to all on the lists.
> 
> Fun stuff, Patrick.
> Merry Christmas to you, too.
> 
> Rob
> 
>  <http://www.rustyiron.com/>
>  <http://www.rustyiron.com/PhoneRob.html>
> 
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Dec 21 04:12:45 2011
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:12:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NYS engine pix
Message-ID: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>

Rob Skinner writes in the "Christmas Event" thread:

>...Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions 
>Club...
>...I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
>http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/

Ah, I see the Batmobile was there!  If I win the lottery, that is the FIRST 
thing I'm buying... brand new!
http://www.buybatparts.com/joomla/index.php/replicas

---

Oh, and I recently uploaded some (fairly) new engine pix from an 
unofficial(?) engine show I stumbled upon in Duanesburg, NY last year.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canalststation2010/index.html

And also a whole lot of Canandaigua 2008 pix:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2008/index.html
(ok, I'm a little behind on my uploading efforts)

-Rick I.




From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Wed Dec 21 09:54:31 2011
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:54:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NYS engine pix
In-Reply-To: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
Message-ID: <4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>

Rick I. wrote:
> Rob Skinner writes in the "Christmas Event" thread:
> 
>> ...Classic & Custom Charity Toy Drive sponsored by the La Habra Host Lions 
>> Club...
>> ...I took a couple pictures that you can see at:
>> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/toys/
> 
> Ah, I see the Batmobile was there!  If I win the lottery, that is the FIRST 
> thing I'm buying... brand new!
> http://www.buybatparts.com/joomla/index.php/replicas
> 
> ---
> 
> Oh, and I recently uploaded some (fairly) new engine pix from an 
> unofficial(?) engine show I stumbled upon in Duanesburg, NY last year.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canalststation2010/index.html
> 
> And also a whole lot of Canandaigua 2008 pix:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2008/index.html
> (ok, I'm a little behind on my uploading efforts)
> 
> -Rick I.
> 

Rick, That Duanesburg show is run by the family that owns Merli.
http://www.merlimfgco.com/

The loco has been in restoration for a lot of years.

-- 
Steve W.


From spiveylk at gru.net  Wed Dec 21 10:26:18 2011
From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K. Spivey)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:26:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Canal Street Station 2011 Picture 'cool looking thing'
 whatizzit Re: SEL Digest, Vol 93, Issue 15
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References: <mailman.0.1324486801.2682.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <4EF224CA.3070802@gru.net>

It looks like the front end of a wagon with the pivot for the steering 
axle.  The pivot pin is in the center with the ring for load bearing 
points on the axle mechanism to run on.  Wooden leaf springs at the 
bottom(front).  Oh, looking at it from underneath.     Les

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 06:18:45 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:18:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo in the News
Message-ID: <b7399533481d9558009da94f827c59aa.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

The Gumby Arms makes the news...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/scott-walker-recall-kochsucker_n_1163033.html?1324486808&icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl18|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D122144





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 03:19:12 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:19:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Christmas auction? (the changing nature of the email
 lists)
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FD0F7523@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CB1AAEE0.C42A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Both ATIS and Oldengine are a lot quieter than they have in the past but
there are still quite a few of the die hards hanging in here.
There are a lot more old iron people on the internet now but a lot more
places for them to go. When I first stumbled upon the lists in the late '90s
there were very few places on the internet for an old iron fix; now there
may be too many. 
I still enjoy reading the post here but I also hang about on the TOMM Forum,
Smokstak, and two of the UK forums (although I only tend to post in one of
them). There are also quite a few of us on Facebook and even a handful on
twitter.
In the last few years I have had to cut back a bit due to getting married,
house renovations, selling, moving, and having a child but I still find time
to get on the net and even get some work done on engines.
Many of us here are like family (even if many of us have never met face to
face) and have gone through many ups and downs together.
Patrick

On 20/12/11 9:16 AM, "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> Remember years ago when we used to have the Christmas auction to raise funds
> for various charities.
> 
> Do the ATIS people still do this?
> 
> Seems to me that the lists have been pretty well been replaced by SmokStak and
> other forums (other than ATIS Forum).
> 
> Only an occasional posting now through SEL.
> 
> George


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 03:20:50 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:20:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and Carmel


From rfinksr at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 04:42:18 2011
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:42:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <0D306A72D7EE4A528E8064EDECBE9CCD@computer>



same back to you Russell
R Fink


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all


> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends 
> on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard 
> SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 05:03:00 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:03:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <3bd9c.8b750b5.3c272784@aol.com>



 

In a message dated 12/24/2011 6:32:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
russell at ncable.com.au writes:

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our  friends 
on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die  hard 
SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and  Carmel
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------


Merry Christmas to everyone also!
 
Tom and Millie Schmutz





From doubled.66 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 06:03:35 2011
From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (doubled.66 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:03:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <10776263.1010116.1324735415222.JavaMail.root@vznit170128>

   Merry Christmas  to one and all   From the Davis family ( David ,Jana'
   , Bobbi & Jenna ) here in warm sunny Pennsylvania .


   On 12/24/11, Russell<russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

   Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our
   friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still
   a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
   Russell and Carmel
   _______________________________________________
   SEL mailing list
   [1]SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   [2]http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

References

   1. mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   2. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 24 09:01:06 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:01:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
Message-ID: <20111224.090202.1646.138272@mailpop30.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Russell.
You are a day ahead of us and already on Christmas day.  Enjoy and have a
prosperous New Year.

Ron and Carol Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell



On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:20:50 +1100 Russell <russell at ncable.com.au>
writes:
> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our 
> friends on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im 
> still a die hard SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has 
> joined.
> Russell and Carmel
____________________________________________________________
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:13:34 2011
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:13:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <0D306A72D7EE4A528E8064EDECBE9CCD@computer>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>,
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>,
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>,
	<0D306A72D7EE4A528E8064EDECBE9CCD@computer>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W48BDCC1A3B349A4A7AC2CD0A80@phx.gbl>


Merry Christmas everyone.    John.

> From: rfinksr at verizon.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:42:18 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
> 
> 
> 
> same back to you Russell
> R Fink
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:20 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
> 
> 
> > Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends 
> > on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard 
> > SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> > Russell and Carmel
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Dec 24 11:18:05 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:18:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin><4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <44464A8DC5A646BCBA8B341EDB62AC62@RoysterPC>

I'll crank a few on Christmas day and think of all my buds out there and 
wish you well.

Mike Royster

-----Original Message----- 
From: Russell
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all

Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on 
the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL 
guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
Russell and Carmel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:25:01 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 07:25:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

A very Merry Christmas to you all.
Patrick, Ann & Samuel.


On 24/12/11 10:20 PM, "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on
> the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy
> Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From winkandginger at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 12:56:11 2011
From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB1C804D.C4BC%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE909599EF3873-DF4-E7BC@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com>


 .....and we also wish all of our engine friends a "Merry Christmas and a Happy good cheer"!

Wink and Ginger Thornton

ps "and long live the SEL"

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all


A very Merry Christmas to you all.

Patrick, Ann & Samuel.





On 24/12/11 10:20 PM, "Russell" <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:



> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends on

> the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard SEL guy

> Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.

> Russell and Carmel

> _______________________________________________

> SEL mailing list

> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com

> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





Patrick M Livingstone

0418 692013

Earlwood NSW

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html







_______________________________________________

SEL mailing list

SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com

http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 18:28:09 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:28:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <69f2ec4aeb5ff4bcb681d20ceea5da6e.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

The same back atcha mate!!  Luv to your girls.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to the old iron family!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, December 24, 2011 6:20 am, Russell wrote:
> Well its that time again if you had not noticed. Wishing all our friends
> on the SEL a very merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Im still a die hard
> SEL guy Long Live the SEl and the friends it has joined.
> Russell and Carmel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Dec 25 04:45:26 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111225143203.02933538@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi Friends,
           Wishing You and Yours all a great Christmas and that you all
   have a Blessed and enjoyable day.
           It's 2:00 pm here and the "barbie" fire will be started a bit
   later. It's a beautiful summers day and fortunately a little cooler (30
   deg C - 86 deg F) than other days lately but still too hot to cook and
   eat right now so we'll do that a bit later when it gets cooler.
           An SMS I received earlier had the line "Jesus is the Reason for
   the Season" - I think that pretty much sums it up !!

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 09:39:32 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:39:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to one and all
In-Reply-To: <E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
References: <EE8005BF1172446C91235912EA33FA16@marlin>
	<4EF21D57.1060106@frontier.com>
	<E591D33E-64F4-49C2-8F37-E64653B8F1C7@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUCqO3XbUfF7m7W1=ajCAMw_MZzzzE4uQk17T71dkf7nUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas to all from California
Paul


From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Dec 25 15:50:26 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:50:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <BB90D231-A2A7-4EE7-A1FF-3EA47ADF6886@mac.com>

Merry Christmas to all the rusty iron people and those that preserve old ways of life and culture.  From a lurker who someday will learn enough to ask questions.

John and Linda Neth 
In Upper East Tennessee ( at least part of the time .)

Sent from my iPhone


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec 27 09:21:48 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:21:48 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Totally "off topic"
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi All,
           My mother turned 91 today and she celebrated by going for a
   ride on this:
   <[1]http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/>
           My Mom is the 94 year old (they got the age wrong - poetic
   licence ??) mentioned in this article:
   <[2]http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1
   .1202206>
           On Youtube <[3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc> but
   they only show the first part of the ride on this video- it goes a lot
   further.
           She absolutely loved the experience - now I'm worried that she
   may plan a parachute jump next year :-) because both my elder brother
   and I were paratroopers in the good ole South Africa !!!!!!
           All for now.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/
   2. http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1.1202206
   3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc
   4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Dec 28 15:29:47 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:29:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Totally "off topic"
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111227183954.00bbb218@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <20111228232944.D25CA9685@smtp.wcoil.com>



Well Bless her heart, Tell her to go for it. She want's to parachute 
jump next then go with her!   LOL   More Power To Her.  Mark



At 12:21 PM 12/27/2011, you wrote:
>    Hi All,
>            My mother turned 91 today and she celebrated by going for a
>    ride on this:
>    <[1]http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/>
>            My Mom is the 94 year old (they got the age wrong - poetic
>    licence ??) mentioned in this article:
>    <[2]http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1
>    .1202206>
>            On Youtube <[3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc> but
>    they only show the first part of the ride on this video- it goes a lot
>    further.
>            She absolutely loved the experience - now I'm worried that she
>    may plan a parachute jump next year :-) because both my elder brother
>    and I were paratroopers in the good ole South Africa !!!!!!
>            All for now.
>
>    Keep the revs up (or down)
>    Jerry Evans
>    Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>    Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>    <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>References
>
>    1. http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/adventure/zip-line/
>    2. 
> http://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/zip-zapped-1.1202206
>    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdIGORNYAc
>    4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:51:20 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:51:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
Message-ID: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?
I might give the Stover YC throttler a quick pop at midnight. New Years day
I will probably fire up the 3.5hp Austral portable and perhaps a R&V or two
to celebrate the start of 2012.
Things are much easier actually having a garage and workshop at home :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Dec 29 07:41:09 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:41:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Patrick, you have the benefit of it being summer;-)

Although it was on course to be our driest December on record, that won't be the case as we've got a storm system set up to dump a couple inches of rain on us the next few days.  Doubtful I'll crank up an engine as my barn looks like a disaster after packing too much stuff into it this Fall. May surprise myself and see if I can run one.  Maybe my 1903 4hp Stover.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:51 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up

What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?
I might give the Stover YC throttler a quick pop at midnight. New Years day
I will probably fire up the 3.5hp Austral portable and perhaps a R&V or two
to celebrate the start of 2012.
Things are much easier actually having a garage and workshop at home :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 08:23:57 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:23:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

> Patrick, you have the benefit of it being summer;-)
>
> Although it was on course to be our driest December on record, that won't
> be the case as we've got a storm system set up to dump a couple inches of
> rain on us the next few days.  Doubtful I'll crank up an engine as my barn
> looks like a disaster after packing too much stuff into it this Fall. May
> surprise myself and see if I can run one.  Maybe my 1903 4hp Stover.
>
> George

George is getting soft. Since WHEN did a little rain stop an engine man? :-)
Curt H
P.S. Kerry, wasn't Boone, NC a lot of fun!



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec 29 10:55:46 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:55:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1325178001.29823.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111229201411.02727148@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 29/12/11, you wrote:

     Message: 2
     Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:51:20 +1100
     From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
     What is everyone going to fire up to celebrate the New Year?

   <snip>

     Patrick M Livingstone

   Hi Patrick,
           Well, the first thing we will "fire up" will be the old Weber
   Braai (that's BBQ to the unenlightened :-))
           Then we'll probably crack a good few ales or similar.
           Then, before the "ales" take their toll we'll look at an engine
   or two.
           I think that, in honour of all our Aussie mates it will have to
   be "Reggie" my 'lil Ronnie N :
   <[1]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>
           but, as Arnie pointed out, with a name like "Reggie" he is
   bound to misbehave (especially after a good few ales).
           Maybe I'll try his mate "Rusty" after that:
   <[2]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Rustydone2.JPG>
           "Rusty" is a true British gentleman and always starts up with
   one or two swings of the crankhandle - very reliable. He also has a
   very quiet muffled sound "Poof - Poof - Poof". Very much like a
   "poofter" farting !!
           Failing all of the above, It'll have to be a bloody Maytag  :-)
   !!!
   <[3]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/maytag/index.htm>
   (sorry Mark) (Dave they do run by themselves !)
           Whatever happens you can all be sure that Jacqui and I will be
   thinking of all the fantastic friends that we've made on these lists
   and will drink quite a few "toasts" to all you great guys 'n gals -
   that's a promise.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[4]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm
   2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Rustydone2.JPG
   3. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/maytag/index.htm
   4. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 29 12:58:57 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:58:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Year Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <CB224B08.C66D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410FDD26D86@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<e13a402f5ad5ca20f391025174bdf5db.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <4EFCD491.1030303@optusnet.com.au>

Curt, "Boone" yes, never will forget, having to be pulled out by a 
tractor, can't say anything about George, I need to get myself into gear 
to start a engine as well.
Kerry

-- 
Kerry Morris
Tangye Engine Registrar
0400421133
Web Page.   www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



George is getting soft. Since WHEN did a little rain stop an engine man? 
:-) Curt H P.S. Kerry, wasn't Boone, NC a lot of fun!




From cwja at telus.net  Thu Dec 29 17:53:44 2011
From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:53:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crankup
Message-ID: <4EFD19A8.8040509@telus.net>

     I can remember the first Crankup and that I started my 1915 Novo 
but age prevents me from remembering what year it was but I know it was 
a long time ago. Somewhat like my first kiss... Knew it was a great but 
who the heck was she?

I am going out to the lake and fire up the same old Novo on New Year's 
Day.  Happy New Year to All

Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 31 06:14:39 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 01:14:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New year crank up
Message-ID: <4EFF18CF.7000909@optusnet.com.au>

now 1.11am and just came in from the shed after running a 8 HP Austral 
and a 7.5 HP Hornsby, bit of a noise at this time of the day, see what 
the next doors think later in the morning 8-))

Kerry

-- 
Kerry Morris
Tangye Engine Registrar
0400421133
Web Page.   www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Dec 31 12:55:39 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:55:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111231225217.00bd53e0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi All,
	Best wishes for 2012 to you all.

	Just over an hour to go here but a thunderstorm and cold wind means that 
I'll be seeing the new year in from my bed - no midnight engine start up :-(

	We will try again tomorrow.

Best of everything
from,
Jerry & Jacqui



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 31 17:54:37 2011
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:54:37 GMT
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Happy_New_Year?=
Message-ID: <20111231.205437.32462.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Happy New Year Everyone !!


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         Merry Christmas and
 (_0_)      Happy New Year to everyone.    
                       

                                

____________________________________________________________
57 Year Old Looks 27
Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4effbd266f20c104815fst05vuc

From doubled.66 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 31 19:01:58 2011
From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (doubled.66 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:01:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year
Message-ID: <32320543.1527554.1325386918258.JavaMail.root@vznit170116>

   Happy New Year Joe


   On 12/31/11, jlb94 at juno.com<jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

   Happy New Year Everyone !!
   Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
   [1]jlb94 at juno.com - - - [2]www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-. [3]http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/ Merry Christmas and
   (_0_) Happy New Year to everyone.
   ____________________________________________________________
   57 Year Old Looks 27
   Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
   [4]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4effbd266f20c104815fst05vuc
   _______________________________________________
   SEL mailing list
   [5]SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   [6]http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

References

   1. mailto:jlb94 at juno.com
   2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   3. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   4. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4effbd266f20c104815fst05vuc
   5. mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
   6. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Dec 31 20:35:02 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:35:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arthur Southwell contact me please
Message-ID: <9D914007A4224C2A8213AAFC8370F267@PeterPC>

Could Arthur Southwell please contact me about the stamps I promised you.
Peter Lowe
Australia