From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 05:45:52 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:45:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
53044666_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666) 
 
Anyone ever seen one like this?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr  1 06:24:46 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:24:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110401132445.1F21D9557@smtp.wcoil.com>

There one just 10 miles from me. The Caddy of Chargers. You see one 
every now and then. Mark


At 08:45 AM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>_http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
>temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
>msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
>53044666_
>(http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
>4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666)
>
>Anyone ever seen one like this?
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Apr  1 06:59:15 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:59:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <485276.61836.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU137-W123046034005CAEE525B70E7BC0@phx.gbl>,
	<485276.61836.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W21788C7B03693A5E36DCB8E7BE0@phx.gbl>


Bill only has 47 engines, even with a flat bed, he could never exhibit them all, so one will not be missed.  He even has a Handy Andy at the foot of his bed.
 
Peg
 
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:37:39 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Land sakes,,,,
> Get out your shovels,,,,
> Keep the engines.  8>))
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/30/11, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 5:50 PM
> 
> 
> 
> The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!
> 
> 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
> 
> If you are interested please let us know.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Peg
> 
> 
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Apr  1 06:53:44 2011
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:53:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <29601779D0E1457E8C1EFC3232CC293C@laruecounty.courthouse>

No, not one that big Tom.  Wow that's a whopper!  You had better not be
wearing a wrist watch when you use that think.  I'm not so sure somebody
with a pacemaker should be around it either!  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,KY




 
Anyone ever seen one like this?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 07:56:09 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 07:56:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> _http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
> temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
> msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
> 53044666_ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
> 4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666) 
> 
> Anyone ever seen one like this?  
> 

Nice! Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the benefit that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest inconvenience is that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half a day before using it. 

Rob





From oldengine at comcast.net  Fri Apr  1 10:14:04 2011
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>

I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that 
purchase.
Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.

http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm

-- Harry

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  1 10:52:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:52:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>

All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It  
boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)  
magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when  
the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets  
for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)  
who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. Both have worked  
well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I  
am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my  
KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to  
take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
	Dave

On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Harry wrote:

> I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
> I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that
> purchase.
> Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.
>
> http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm
>
> -- Harry
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 11:15:29 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:15:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
Message-ID: <EFEFA7D3-A129-4FB4-8826-A0901D1466B4@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 1, 2011, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. 

I understand why a liberal arts major would become confused. To answer your question, your 15 pound charger is only 3.3% a cool as this Weidenhoff. 

Rob




From oldironnut at windstream.net  Fri Apr  1 12:18:13 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:18:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>

On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Nice! Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the benefit that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest inconvenience is that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half a day before using it. 

Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!

Mike


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 12:22:59 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:22:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <309e0.4f99e6b6.3ac78013@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/1/2011 11:08:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rob at rustyiron.com writes:

Nice!  Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the 
benefit  that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest 
inconvenience is  that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half 
a day before  using it. 




Yep.  But then to use this one at a show, you have to take your  generator! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr  1 13:13:43 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:13:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>


Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production 
charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full 
strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the 
proper effect.  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen 
up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound 
brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all 
day long from 0 to full charge. So to answer your question we don't 
need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use 
here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a 
somewhat larger one some day.
  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of 
us need by far. And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a 
pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the 
other implanted electronic medical devices.

                    TTYL,  Mark


At 01:52 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It
>boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)
>magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when
>the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets
>for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)
>who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. Both have worked
>well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I
>am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my
>KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to
>take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
>         Dave
>
>On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Harry wrote:
>
> > I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
> > I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that
> > purchase.
> > Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.
> >
> > http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm
> >
> > -- Harry
> >
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  1 15:40:30 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:40:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>

Hi Mark,
On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> proper effect.
What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even  
stronger magnetism?
>  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> day long from 0 to full charge.
Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
> So to answer your question we don't
> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> somewhat larger one some day.
If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger one?
>  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> us need by far.
Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
> And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>
>                    TTYL,  Mark
	Dave


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Apr  1 16:25:47 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:25:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


>
> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> proper effect.  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> day long from 0 to full charge. So to answer your question we don't
> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> somewhat larger one some day.
>  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> us need by far. And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>
>                    TTYL,  Mark
>
>
> At 01:52 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>>All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It
>>boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)
>>magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when
>>the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets
>>for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)
>>who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. BYou oth have worked
>>well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I
>>am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my
>>KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to
>>take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
>>         Dave


You have revived my senile memories and I have dug out the magnetiser I 
built 30+ years ago.
I wound the magnet myself with about 50 turns of very heavy windings.
To get the very high magnetic field I used a 50 volt transformer and a 
rectifier to give me a 50 volt
DC supply with which I slowly charged a very large capacitor. (100,000 
Microfarad).
I then discharged this with a Thyristor triggered with a button. Every thing 
metalic turned to the device!
Very short but the effect worked well.
I have dug it out and pictures are at
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/579990241sMmfWY
Best Regards.
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 16:55:13 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:55:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:

> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!



Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.























From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Apr  1 19:02:05 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:02:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
	<98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>

Rob, 
     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!

Tommy Turner




 Sent from my iPad

On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> 
>> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!
> 
> 
> 
> Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 21:16:03 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:16:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
	<98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
	<9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <9D41F779-2A05-4929-8F08-99841EBDF885@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob, 
>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
> 
> Tommy Turner



Meh. Mike and I have a non-compete agreement, while I work on my magnetic amplification circuit that will reach across the continent.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:42:59 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:42:59 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimzr9kF0n=PhgJRXeU40FvG7k8tVg@mail.gmail.com>

On 1 April 2011 13:45,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever seen one like this?
>
> Tom ?Schmutz

Looks like a set of Mercury-Vapour rectifers in there to provide
high-power DC, although the mains isolation transformer is not that
large, so it possibly takes 110V AC direct to the rectifiers and the
transformer is for the rectifier heaters.

Pretty rare old beast!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  2 04:37:54 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:37:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com><5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com><3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net><98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
	<9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <3C839DE4F64A440D8FD5A892CF402353@mikecomp>

As it needs to!  The earth's balance is still in peril with all that iron in 
KY.  It need to shift southeast a few degrees in order to stop global 
warming!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


> Rob,
>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old 
> iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
>>
>>> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the 
>>> famous SEL shipment relays!
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon 
>> and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point 
>> it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire 
>> Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  2 04:39:44 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:39:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com><5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com><3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net><98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com><9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
	<9D41F779-2A05-4929-8F08-99841EBDF885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <92F9BB1F073043B6A3E7F0BE0154E84B@mikecomp>

and I whoop up another batch of elixer to spike the Pepsi.  Charrrrrrrrrrrr 
is much needed to help trade old iron on the west coast!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old 
>> iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Meh. Mike and I have a non-compete agreement, while I work on my magnetic 
> amplification circuit that will reach across the continent.
>
>
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From oldengine at comcast.net  Sat Apr  2 10:18:40 2011
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:18:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <4D975A70.7010603@comcast.net>

Those are Tungar Bulbs. There are two in my unit and I think there are 
four used in the eBay unit to power both sets of poles. They must have 
had something special to charge with the poles 90 degrees apart and a 
switch is provided to select two or four. There is also a spare bulb in 
the unit being sold. I was able to pick up a few spare bulbs from eBay 
over past years.

http://www.old-engine.com/image/tungar.jpg

 >> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:42:59 +0100
 >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
 >> Looks like a set of Mercury-Vapour rectifers in there to provide
 >> high-power DC, although the mains isolation transformer is not that
 >> large, so it possibly takes 110V AC direct to the rectifiers and the
 >> transformer is for the rectifier heaters.


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  2 11:49:45 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:49:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>

Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along. 
This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the best I can.

#1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point 
you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a 
stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to 
Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it 
will not.  Many specifics left out.

#2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large 
groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of 
the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in 
Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger. 
Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that 
you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to 
suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were 
about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they 
were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt 
cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to 
specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to 
be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have 
adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator 
needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our engines.

#3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation 
some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally 
intended by the magneto manufacturer.

#4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work 
with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be 
undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing 
the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original 
specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just 
not enough for us to notice on casual observation.

All this to the best of my understanding and observation.

Mark S.


At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> > charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> > strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> > proper effect.
>What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even
>stronger magnetism?
> >  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> > up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> > brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> > day long from 0 to full charge.
>Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
> > So to answer your question we don't
> > need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> > here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> > somewhat larger one some day.
>If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger one?
> >  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> > us need by far.
>Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
> > And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> > pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> > other implanted electronic medical devices.
> >
> >                    TTYL,  Mark
>         Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  2 12:40:09 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:40:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
	<20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>

Thanks Mark! Was not yanking your chain at all! Your "understanding  
and observations" have helped my understanding a good bit! One  
additional question with which you may be able to help: Can you make a  
guess as to whether or not my 100# magnet charger brings the charge up  
to (aproximately) what you call "the point originally intended by the  
magneto manufacturer?" (I'm taking for granted that the 450# beast  
would do that--and perhaps more!)
	Dave

On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along.
> This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the  
> best I can.
>
> #1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point
> you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a
> stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to
> Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it
> will not.  Many specifics left out.
>
> #2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large
> groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of
> the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in
> Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger.
> Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that
> you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to
> suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were
> about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they
> were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt
> cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to
> specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to
> be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have
> adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator
> needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our  
> engines.
>
> #3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation
> some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally
> intended by the magneto manufacturer.
>
> #4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work
> with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be
> undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing
> the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original
> specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just
> not enough for us to notice on casual observation.
>
> All this to the best of my understanding and observation.
>
> Mark S.
>
>
> At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
>>> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
>>> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
>>> proper effect.
>> What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even
>> stronger magnetism?
>>> While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
>>> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450  
>>> pound
>>> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets  
>>> all
>>> day long from 0 to full charge.
>> Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
>>> So to answer your question we don't
>>> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
>>> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
>>> somewhat larger one some day.
>> If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger  
>> one?
>>> I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
>>> us need by far.
>> Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
>>> And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
>>> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
>>> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>>>
>>>                   TTYL,  Mark
>>        Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Apr  2 13:58:01 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:58:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <860cf.7ee4ee7f.3ac8e7d9@aol.com>

Sure am glad I spotted the magnet charger.  Made a dead List come  alive!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  2 14:03:34 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:03:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
	<20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110402210345.E1F7893E6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave,
  I do not know your chargers design and even if I did I do not have 
the detailed engineering knowledge to work it out. If you are having 
good success with it Its obviously getting close if not there on 
field saturation.
Maybe the beast thats on Ebay will do what we want maybe not. Looks 
very much like it will. But just because a machines a magnet charger 
does no necessarily mean its set up and designed to do what we are 
doing. I can not honestly answer that. The machines that was at 
Triplett was not easily adaptable to our purposes. So when they went 
out I never pursued acquiring one.  I took another look at the pics 
of the charger on Ebay and its design varies from  the one near me 
thats part of an actual Weidenhoff "Magneto" Test bench. But he also 
admits to doing a good bit of repairs or modifications to it. So that 
may be throwing me off and the fact that the other one is not in 
front of me to compare sure does not help matters any. CRS disease sure sucks.
  Sorry my terminology is not technically detailed I just have a 
working understanding of the basics learned from various sources 
through time. Built some motors and magnets when I was a kid. I paid 
real close attention to high school science and absorbed all I could 
there but since then its just reading what technical mumbo jumbo I 
can made heads or tails of. Theres a point in the every day world 
where jargon starts to get in the way of understanding for the common 
fellow like me. But it really helped when I started to work for the 
motor compressor shop here in town when I escaped school. Learned a 
lot from the old timers that was still around 30 years ago. They knew 
practical theory in laymans terms not detailed engineering theory. Or 
maybe they did and I just never realized it because they could 
explain in a language I could follow along on.  Hell I just hope I 
guess right half the time. Time for some Black Velvet.      Mark




At 03:40 PM 4/2/2011, you wrote:
>Thanks Mark! Was not yanking your chain at all! Your "understanding
>and observations" have helped my understanding a good bit! One
>additional question with which you may be able to help: Can you make a
>guess as to whether or not my 100# magnet charger brings the charge up
>to (aproximately) what you call "the point originally intended by the
>magneto manufacturer?" (I'm taking for granted that the 450# beast
>would do that--and perhaps more!)
>         Dave
>
>On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along.
> > This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the
> > best I can.
> >
> > #1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point
> > you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a
> > stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to
> > Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it
> > will not.  Many specifics left out.
> >
> > #2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large
> > groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of
> > the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in
> > Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger.
> > Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that
> > you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to
> > suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were
> > about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they
> > were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt
> > cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to
> > specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to
> > be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have
> > adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator
> > needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our
> > engines.
> >
> > #3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation
> > some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally
> > intended by the magneto manufacturer.
> >
> > #4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work
> > with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be
> > undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing
> > the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original
> > specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just
> > not enough for us to notice on casual observation.
> >
> > All this to the best of my understanding and observation.
> >
> > Mark S.
> >
> >
> > At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
> >> Hi Mark,
> >> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >>


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  2 17:19:09 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 01:19:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
Message-ID: <3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
> You have revived my senile memories and I have dug out the magnetiser I
> built 30+ years ago.
> I wound the magnet myself with about 50 turns of very heavy windings.
> To get the very high magnetic field I used a 50 volt transformer and a
> rectifier to give me a 50 volt
> DC supply with which I slowly charged a very large capacitor. (100,000
> Microfarad).
> I then discharged this with a Thyristor triggered with a button. Every 
> thing
> metalic turned to the device!
> Very short but the effect worked well.
> I have dug it out and pictures are at
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/579990241sMmfWY
> Best Regards.
> Dave Croft.
 I thought some else might have tried re-magnetising using a single large 
pulse
from a very large capacitor.
It seems not and I wonder why?
If anyone has any memories on this subject I would like to know.
Best Regards,
Dave Croft
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From oilengine at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  2 19:33:39 2011
From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Meeting last night (OFES)
Message-ID: <C53DDBCC5F704ECC9B604030FCEA7717@FarmerPC>

Well another OFES dinner has passed and I think a good time was had by all. Please join me in congratulating this years Honoree, Kyle Blankenship, and our new Grand Master this year, Richard Dingman. Thanks to all those who donated door prizes, Gene Goodwin was the lucky winner of the yellowdog lamp. We appreciate all who attended.
R. Farmer
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 22:46:15 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
	<3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
Message-ID: <658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dave-san, Bill Young here ( Japan )
?? I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective.?( It 
magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop.?) The local power company was 
renewing? 3 phase?? step-down transformers that?had been ?serving small 
neighborhoods.? I bought one for about $50.?With canister and oil ( bad stuff ) 
it weighed over 100kg.? I took out coils and core and let drain and dry for 
about a year.? I had to replace original laminated toroid core with "U" shaped 
core.?
Then,?I got all all coils on one side ( both primary and secondary windings ) 
pumping North, and on the other side pumping South.? Next, I bought two heavy 
duty 12v truck batteries, hooked them in series, through a knife switch to the 
charger.? No idea the current thru the coils but it must have looked like a 
direct short to the batteries.? All of the near-by tools stood at wedding 
attention?during the three two-second jolts that were applied.
??? At that time I did not have a Gauss meter but had made what I dubbed as my 
Gauss Quantifier.? It was a notched lever arm that?was hooked to armature of EK 
that??had been?charged.??The farther out on the arm a given weight could be 
suspended before pulling armature away from EK magnet, the better the 
re-magnetizing job.
? My charger was a bit expensive but after a number of years usage, another EK 
nut bought it for what I had in it.? Bill
P.S.? Where is Warrington?
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp 


________________________________


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  2 23:26:12 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:26:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com><A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus><3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


Dave-san, Bill Young here ( Japan )
I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective. ( It
magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop. ) The local power company was
renewing 3 phase step-down transformers that had been serving small
neighborhoods. I bought one for about $50. With canister and oil ( bad 
stuff )
it weighed over 100kg. I took out coils and core and let drain and dry for
about a year. I had to replace original laminated toroid core with "U" 
shaped
core.
Then, I got all all coils on one side ( both primary and secondary 
windings )
pumping North, and on the other side pumping South. Next, I bought two heavy
duty 12v truck batteries, hooked them in series, through a knife switch to 
the
charger. No idea the current thru the coils but it must have looked like a
direct short to the batteries. All of the near-by tools stood at wedding
attention during the three two-second jolts that were applied.
At that time I did not have a Gauss meter but had made what I dubbed as my
Gauss Quantifier. It was a notched lever arm that was hooked to armature of 
EK
that had been charged. The farther out on the arm a given weight could be
suspended before pulling armature away from EK magnet, the better the
re-magnetizing job.
My charger was a bit expensive but after a number of years usage, another EK
nut bought it for what I had in it. Bill
P.S. Where is Warrington?
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp


Thanks for that Bill.It has always seem to work OK for me!
Warrington is half way between Liverpool and Manchester in
the North west of England.
If you have Google Earth look for "Warrington WA5 1PY UK"
to find my address. I couldn't manage nowadays without Google Earth!
My deepest sympathy to everyone in Japan!
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 05:23:51 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:23:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] magneto charger/Famous engine
Message-ID: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>

Any one win the magnet charger or the 1904 tray Famous?
 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_
W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_t
rkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D814733
4759352155164_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZ
p4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147334759352
155164) 


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr  4 10:07:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:07:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] magneto charger/Famous engine
In-Reply-To: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>
References: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F5359C5E-5A39-43E2-B897-D39DE02A5B6F@me.com>

I was VERY interested in the magnet charger and had a snipe in for  
$769.00 (it went for $700.00) until about a half hour before the  
auction ended. At that point I finally realized that I would probably  
never use the thing AND that it would cost me about $300.00 to drive  
to MD to pick it up. One person's comment to me off List the the  
effect that his big charger is used about twice a year and really in  
the way in his shop was the straw that finally "broke the cammels  
back!" I hope whoever won it uses it and enjoys owning the beast!
	Dave
PS, Thanks to all who answered my questions about the charger BOTH on  
and off List. I appreciated your help re: understanding magnet  
chargers and what this one was probably worth!

On Apr 4, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Any one win the magnet charger or the 1904 tray Famous?
>
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_
> W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340 
> .m1374QQ_t
> rkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid 
> %3D814733
> 4759352155164_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZ
> p4340 
> .m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo 
> =PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147334759352
> 155164)
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From eric at facspro.com  Mon Apr  4 12:21:50 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:21:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
Message-ID: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>

Greetings List Members,

My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past few months.
I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by them for years.
My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set up to fire.
It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it originally came if possible.

Thanks,

Eric 

From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr  4 14:46:32 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <035f191d162ca41e271d88b5064e2c66.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>

Hi Eric and Son,
On the spark plug Deere there are two contacts. One a stationary insulated
point on an arm that bolts on where the magneto normally would. Then
theres one on the push rod positioned so that when the push rod pulls back
it contacts the stationary point conpleting the ground circuit.  So run
your ground from the battery to the engine frame. Then the positive to the
buzz coil. Then off the ground connection or neg terminal of the coil run
a wire to the insulated point. When the points come todgether the coil
will have power. Hook a plug wire to the coil then. There was some one a
while back reproing the parts, will hook you up if you need parts.    Mark

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past
> few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by
> them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I
> recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set
> up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find
> info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on
> it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have
> purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern
> battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how
> it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components
> required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure
> that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the
> correct fashion as it originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr  4 15:08:55 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:08:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>

Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm 
   I think that may help!
	Dave

On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for  
> the past few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been  
> intrigued by them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago  
> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs  
> set up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to  
> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and  
> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I  
> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a  
> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of  
> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the  
> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to  
> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig  
> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it  
> originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Apr  4 17:52:28 2011
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 00:52:28 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Question
Message-ID: <20110404.205228.23955.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Eric,
I would love to try & show you how to hook up a battery & coil but it would get too complicated for me over the email.
I read a response you got from Frappi and it sounds to be as good as it gets.
If you can't figure it out - Take the engine to an engine show and ask a few engine guys.
They will bend over backwards to get it going.
Good Luck.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/     Life can be dangerous to your health -
(_0_)        especially in large doses. (Andy Rooney)   
 

                                



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Question
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:21:50 -0500

Greetings List Members,

My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past few months.
I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by them for years.
My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set up to fire.
It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it originally came if possible.

Thanks,

Eric 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr  5 06:25:49 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 06:25:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
	<3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
	<658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8078B032-4065-4591-8F61-C389458526E6@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:46 PM, William Young wrote:
>    I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective. ( It 
> magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop. ) 


Hey, Young-san.
Ohio Goose Eye Mouse. Kelley and I were just chatting about you. There's a wooden box sitting on the welding table that contains two Webster magnetos. The dust on it is pretty thick, indicating it's been there a while.

Rob






From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Apr  5 09:06:21 2011
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:06:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
Message-ID: <9BC596EB1B574F1AB03AF32345C2BE9B@YOURA8CFD79427>

Hey Dave,
I'm suprised you can actually be nice once in awhile...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question


Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try 
http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
   I think that may help!
Dave

On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
> the past few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
> intrigued by them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
> set up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
> originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Apr  5 11:10:42 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:10:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
Message-ID: <3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>

Hey guys where has the old Dave actually gone, he must have turned over a 
new leaf!!

Cheers, Craig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question


> Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try 
> http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
>   I think that may help!
> Dave
>
> On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:
>
>> Greetings List Members,
>>
>> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
>> the past few months.
>> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
>> intrigued by them for years.
>> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
>> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
>> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
>> set up to fire.
>> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
>> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
>> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
>> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
>> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
>> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
>> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
>> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
>> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
>> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
>> originally came if possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr  5 11:30:08 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:30:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
	<3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <b50a6d35b496d78df46de50f78b795b8.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

He drank the kool-aid.....

(actually, he's always been nice to me...........)

> Hey guys where has the old Dave actually gone, he must have turned over a
> new leaf!!
>
> Cheers, Craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Question
>
>
>> Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try
>> http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
>>   I think that may help!
>> Dave
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings List Members,
>>>
>>> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
>>> the past few months.
>>> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
>>> intrigued by them for years.
>>> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
>>> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
>>> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
>>> set up to fire.
>>> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
>>> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
>>> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
>>> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
>>> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
>>> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
>>> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
>>> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
>>> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
>>> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
>>> originally came if possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric
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From eric at facspro.com  Tue Apr  5 13:16:45 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:16:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <34307253679743C2834075ED570A6936@Office>

Bill, Mark, Dave et al,

Thanks for the welcome and info.
 Dave - I've been to the link that you provided and understood the schematic 
but for some reason I couldn't "visualize" the physical placement of 
components necessary to make it work.

Mark - It took your description for it to finally click. I was then able to 
understand the parts manual a little better and find the brackets and points 
for the stationary timer and movable timer. Unfortunately now I think I have 
a hybridized engine or.....
was there 3 versions of the Type E? Igniter/Magneto, Sparkplug/Magneto and 
Sparkplug/Coil?
The reason I ask is while deciphering the JD parts manual, it appears that I 
have the incorrect crank case cover for a Sparkplug/coil setup.  I have 
cover with casting# E60R which has the cutout area where the mag and gear 
assembly attaches. It looks as if someone has fabricated an opening cover 
that bolts in place where the mag should bolt on. I think I should have part 
# AE117RT cast# E33R as my crankcase cover.

Bill - Any pictures of the D? What year is it? Jacob(my son) and I have a 
variety of A's and B's in various stages of disrepair being restored or 
waiting to be restored.The list includes:
    Jacob's -- 1937 Unstyled B on Steel(restored), 1941 Styled B (needs 
restored), 1944 Styled B(restored), 1947 Styled B(needs restored), 1940 
Styled A(needs restored), Model 227 TwoRow Corn Picker(needs restored), and 
a Stationary Hay Press (model and year unknown) we think a Model 14 but we 
still need to get to Oklahoma to pick it up.
   Eric's -- 1941 Styled A(needs restored), 1944 Styled A(in process), 1944 
Slant Dash A (runs but needs restored), 1927 Type E Engine(needs restored)
There are other miscellaneous implements that we have between us that we 
have dug out of the treeline or picked up for cheap at auction. As you can 
see by the lists, Jacob (16yrs) is the more avid collector of the two of us.
As for my location--- I'd venture a guess that you have me in the NW, say 
the Seattle area. That would be someone else, I'm about 1500 miles SE of 
there. Central Nebraska, and the only initials that have ever followed my 
name have been p.i.t.a.!!

I'm sure I've missed addressing something or someone but I'm sure I'll have 
that chance in the future.
And I apologize for the long winded response.

Thanks again and I look forward to learning from this list.

Eric Walter




From eric at facspro.com  Tue Apr  5 13:21:43 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:21:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>

Oh, I almost forgot--
Just this past weekend Jacob acquired a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z 1 1/2HP 
engine. Knowing where it came from I'd lay 10:1 odds that all he's going to 
have to do is clean up the mag, add fuel and oil and fire it up. I think 
he's going to struggle with the fact that it's not "Green" but I'm sure 
he'll get over it.

Eric 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Apr  6 04:24:30 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:24:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W123046034005CAEE525B70E7BC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
 
If you are interested please let us know.
 
Have a great day,
Peg

 
  		 	   		  
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 05:12:06 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.? Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.? wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm 
and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are interested please let us know.

Have a great day,
Peg


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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Apr  6 05:31:03 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
Message-ID: <9a7b4.4abc2134.3acdb707@aol.com>

Don't forget about he alternate option of a  bushel of brown  corn cobs and 
a white corn cob attached to a string secured to  the wall.
 
 
In a message dated 4/6/2011 8:17:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wmlyoung at yahoo.com writes:

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just  two 
thirds of a 
complete system.  Go ahead and give him the requisite  Sears Catalog.  
Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were  complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.   wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From:  "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email  discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6,  2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill  your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use 
right  
now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good  neighbor 
gave it 
to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole  and put her in place.  
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the  longer it will last.  Only 
upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to  combat any odors.  Just come on up to 
my farm 
and back up to it and  we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it 
right 
up on your  pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William  J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL"  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011  4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a  toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an  engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are  interested please let us know.

Have a great  day,
Peg



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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 07:05:47 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:05:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>
Message-ID: <4D9C733B.80104@accnorwalk.com>

Eric, If it has a mag and is throttle governed, it should be green!! Doug T


Eric Walter wrote:
> Oh, I almost forgot--
> Just this past weekend Jacob acquired a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z 1 1/2HP 
> engine. Knowing where it came from I'd lay 10:1 odds that all he's going to 
> have to do is clean up the mag, add fuel and oil and fire it up. I think 
> he's going to struggle with the fact that it's not "Green" but I'm sure 
> he'll get over it.
>
> Eric 
>
>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr  6 07:47:47 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:47:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

That reminds me of a farm auction I attended.  The runner hands the seat board for a
two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
crowd.  "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
it."  He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel.  Gimmie a $10 bill and
go..."

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  Depending on how
> deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep required is regular
> use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:12:22 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:12:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OPOC engine
Message-ID: <5B91663A7109421BA32DEBE4BB503B09@Arthurhplaptop>

http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder














Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 


From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:36:22 2011
From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:36:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 		 	   		  

From jneth3 at mac.com  Wed Apr  6 17:21:24 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:21:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>

High School?

get one of the textbooks that are titled "Conceptional Physics"

Below from Amazon.    High School Physics hasn't changed for a hundred years so no need to by an new recent edition.

If you have specific questions send them to me off list and I'll try to help.  (Taught High School Physics in a former life.)  But I have never had calculus so I just do problems with algebra.   yea for F=MA.



"Conceptual Physics: The High School Physics Program by Paul G. Hewitt (Jan 31, 2005)

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On Apr 06, 2011, at 05:36 PM, Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> OT:
>
>
>
> I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
> Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening.
> She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")
>
>
> All help will be much appreciated,
> Devin Holland
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 18:09:54 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:09:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>

I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.

Paul in San Fran

PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 18:26:00 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:26:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik8SSHhhc7o7amZMcD7C+W6wEEOrw@mail.gmail.com>

Devin:

You may have me going back to school! I just went to YouTube, entered
'Physics' and found a few videos of basic physics lectures from Stanford and
Berkeley.

Paul in California


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 18:30:02 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Devin:? You ask us for OT physics help and have given us your OT? address.? I'm 
guessing you will receive many responses.?
? A "Good Teacher" is not the teacher who reads the text book for you. AFTER you 
have read, re-read and studied the text, a Good Teacher will help YOU learn to 
use the formulas you have studied, memorized, understood and can use.
? I'm going to pronounce, spell, and again pronounce he word "Physics" for you.? 
OK?? Remember: Pronounce, spell, pronounce.? Got it"? Here we go"
PHYSICS? -- "M A T H E M A T I C S"?-- PHYSICS.? Did you really know how to 
spell " Physics"?
We notice that you say nothing of your text book, your reading skills ( nor the 
amount of time you spend there in )?nor your math skills.?
??? Tell us about yourself, your CV.? I am guessing that you will receive many 
responses and offers of help.? I doubt that there will be many volunteers to 
study the text for you.? 

? Remember the words of the great patriarch who once said: "Good students are 
always most welcome, but sometimes pretty scarce."?????? Bill?



________________________________

From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 6:36:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help




All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
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OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually 
happening. WHAT? NO TEXT BOOK?? THAT'S WHAT TEXTS ARE FOR.? IF YOU HAVE ONE, 
GIVE US NAME AND AUTHOR
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")

From mullt at att.net  Wed Apr  6 18:43:41 2011
From: mullt at att.net (Thomas Mull)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

First of all, I am an engineer with a lot of experience with physics. I would be happy to try and answer any of your questions I can.

You might try to see if there is a Physics for Dummies book available. It might puts things in a little more practical way.

Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple high school science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science, the more it becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a math refresher course before attempting physics.

Tom in St. Louis

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 4:36 PM


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From bakermonitortest at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  6 19:15:24 2011
From: bakermonitortest at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:15:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>,
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>,
	<800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT137-w11B9B4E8EDDA5E15F5C5FFCAA40@phx.gbl>


Bill the section were in now has 5 paragraphs of information a one page long sample problem and 6 pages of questions. I have read it at least 6 times and the relating chapters as well. As to the 3 different textbooks on my table i have done the same in all of them. What i need is someone who knows whats happening and can relate the "M A T H E M A T I C S" to how much energy it would take to throw my text book to Japan so u can see it.
?????????????????????????????

Thank you.

> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:30:02 -0700
> From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> Devin:  You ask us for OT physics help and have given us your OT  address.  I'm 
> guessing you will receive many responses. 
>   A "Good Teacher" is not the teacher who reads the text book for you. AFTER you 
> have read, re-read and studied the text, a Good Teacher will help YOU learn to 
> use the formulas you have studied, memorized, understood and can use.
>   I'm going to pronounce, spell, and again pronounce he word "Physics" for you.  
> OK?  Remember: Pronounce, spell, pronounce.  Got it"  Here we go"
> PHYSICS  -- "M A T H E M A T I C S" -- PHYSICS.  Did you really know how to 
> spell " Physics"?
> We notice that you say nothing of your text book, your reading skills ( nor the 
> amount of time you spend there in ) nor your math skills. 
>     Tell us about yourself, your CV.  I am guessing that you will receive many 
> responses and offers of help.  I doubt that there will be many volunteers to 
> study the text for you.  
> 
>   Remember the words of the great patriarch who once said: "Good students are 
> always most welcome, but sometimes pretty scarce."       Bill 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 6:36:22 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> 
> 
> 
> All help will be much appreciated, 
> Devin Holland
>                         
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> OT:
> 
> 
> 
> I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
> Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually 
> happening. WHAT? NO TEXT BOOK?  THAT'S WHAT TEXTS ARE FOR.  IF YOU HAVE ONE, 
> GIVE US NAME AND AUTHOR
> She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 19:29:22 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Paul, et al
(1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
list.? If you agree how can we? accomplish?
(2)? I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
classes.? During that time I learned?that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
he didn't want to learn.? I could, however, assist students who did want to 
learn.?
Good teacher? Bad teacher?? What meaning?? In high schools which allow students 
to select their instructors, ??Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.? Which is the good teacher, A? or? 
B?? Before you decide,?you might wish to get a few more details.?ALL of B's 
students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
?? Teachers who can't teach?? Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
?(3) ?Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
Arnie? Rob???Lads? Down Under?? Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
for this discussion to continue, if? there is a need??? Bill
wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help

I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.

Paul in San Fran

PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Apr  6 19:49:58 2011
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2656.1060506@coastalnet.com>

Guys,

I can set up a mailing list in a few minutes if that is what you all want.
Just can't tolerate large files since it adds up to my meager allotment,
otherwise no problem.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or 
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>     Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>   (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns<enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Apr  6 19:54:46 2011
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:54:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2776.1030208@coastalnet.com>

Actually, I forgot I already have an off-topic list.  Several of you are already
subbed.  To subscribe, just go to:

http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic

Take care.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or 
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>     Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>   (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 20:23:44 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>

Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T




William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>    Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>  (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 20:23:44 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>

Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T




William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>    Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>  (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
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>   


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Apr  7 05:47:52 2011
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:47:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <056E695D-584E-448E-821B-D37F36C51D2B@atis.net>

Don't forget the SEL bulletin board at:


http://www.atis.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-SEL-General-Stationary-Engine-Discussion-Forum

Great way to share multimedia, such as diagrams, scans of equations, etc.  I can set up an off-topic forum, but it isn't used much so for now it should be fine to just use this one.

Good luck Devin.

Personal note:   I _really_ struggled with calculus until I took physics.  Then calculus made sense because physics explained why it was useful.  Take a deep breath and remember:  we speak English - mother nature speaks math.  When she speaks of force and movement her dialect is algebra and trig, but when she explains how she changes, the dialect is calculus.  When that makes sense, physics will make sense.  It also explains why understanding math on an intuitive level is important and why young folks, who don't have a lot of math experience, struggle.

Spencer

PS:  Thanks again for all the help on the engine at Portland

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2011, at 23:23, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:

> Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
> STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William Young wrote:
>> Paul, et al
>> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
>> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
>> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
>> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
>> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
>> learn. 
>> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
>> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
>> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
>> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
>> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>>  Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
>> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>> (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
>> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
>> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>> 
>> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
>> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
>> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>> 
>> Paul in San Fran
>> 
>> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>> 
>> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  7 06:03:43 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:03:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
Message-ID: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>

Hi All

Can anyone in Oz give me a production date of this engine please.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From obise at moscow.com  Thu Apr  7 08:49:54 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:49:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>

Devin --
	I wish I could sit down with you one-on-one; but, the miles are too
long and too many.  
	In physics, formulas are everything.  A person gets nowhere if they
try to apply logic or reasoning to solving problems.  That was my main
problem. 
	In my first try at college physics the instructor was a brain-dead
graduate student.  He was, by far, the worst instructor I've known in all my
72-years,  
	I dropped out of the class and waited until the next semester.  The
instructor made everything crystal clear: plug the numbers into the
formulas.  I "aced" every test.  
	You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:

Instead of putting a naked "32" into a formula, do it this way:

32-feet/sec/sec

Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:

      32-feet
-----------------
         sec
         -----
         sec

Then, be sure you treat those words in exactly the same way that you would
use numbers in arithmetic or letters in algebra.  If you do this,
diligently, problems solve themselves.  

In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
Inverting and multiplying results in:  

32-feet-second
--------------------
         sec

It is called "unit analysis."  If you become proficient with it you will ace
every science course you take.  Science consists of definitions and
formulae.  If you adhere to them, it is a snap!  If you abandon the words
and try to solve problems with only the numbers, you're screwed.  

If "unit analysis" is new to you, let me illustrate with a problem that I'd
give my kids when they were in school.  We'd fill up at the gas station and
as a practical exercise I'd have them calculate the mileage.  

Their first question was, "Dad, do I divide the miles into the gallons or
the gallons into the miles."

Had they used unit analysis they would have answered their own question.
What are the units we want to find in the answer?  Well, they are:

Miles
-------
Gallon

There is only one way to get those units and that is to take the data and
set it up this way:

300 miles
-------------
15 gallons

Obviously, to come up with the correct units there is no other way the
problem can be solved.  Physics problems are solved in exactly the same way.
Work with the units and the problems solve themselves.

Good luck, Devin!

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Devin Holland
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:36 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually
happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 		 	   		  
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr  7 09:10:33 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:10:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I took many courses
in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you really don't
LEARN that material until you take your various physics and engineering courses and
need to apply it.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple high school
> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science, the more it
> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a math refresher
> course before attempting physics.




From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr  7 09:34:12 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:34:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>

While I would concur that mathematics IS a rough approximation of the  
"real world", we must always remember that the basis of mathematics is  
the line. Further that a line is made up of a series of points.  
Remembering that a "point" has neither width nor breath nor depth this  
means that mathematicians spend a large amount of their time thinking  
about NOTHINGNESS. This (i.e. thinking about NOTHINGNESS) leads  
(necessarily) to a decline in mental capacity!
	Dave

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Tom,
>
> That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I  
> took many courses
> in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you  
> really don't
> LEARN that material until you take your various physics and  
> engineering courses and
> need to apply it.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
>> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple  
>> high school
>> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science,  
>> the more it
>> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a  
>> math refresher
>> course before attempting physics.


From maytagtwin at aol.com  Thu Apr  7 10:06:41 2011
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CDC35D46DC4261-1874-D7C5@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>


Hi Dave,
You are so right!  Furthermore, should said mathematician focus on that point called "zero" and even, heavens forbid, explore negative numbers, his mental capacity can be sucked up by the vacuum, not a pretty sight.

If the mathematics student manages to survive the course, and if he really fails to understand all this "line" and "point" business it doesn't mean he cannon have a successful career in poitics, or even mortgage banking.  

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri, USA 






-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help


While I would concur that mathematics IS a rough approximation of the  
real world", we must always remember that the basis of mathematics is  
he line. Further that a line is made up of a series of points.  
emembering that a "point" has neither width nor breath nor depth this  
eans that mathematicians spend a large amount of their time thinking  
bout NOTHINGNESS. This (i.e. thinking about NOTHINGNESS) leads  
necessarily) to a decline in mental capacity!
   Dave
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Tom,

 That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I  
 took many courses
 in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you  
 really don't
 LEARN that material until you take your various physics and  
 engineering courses and
 need to apply it.

 See ya,  Arnie

 On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple  
> high school
> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science,  
> the more it
> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a  
> math refresher
> course before attempting physics.
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From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Apr  7 13:02:15 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:02:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>,
	<a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W18C08DE33FDBAE0DF36708E7A40@phx.gbl>


You guys are sooooo funny!
Peg
 
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:47:47 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Curt,
> 
> That reminds me of a farm auction I attended. The runner hands the seat board for a
> two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
> crowd. "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
> it." He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel. Gimmie a $10 bill and
> go..."
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> > Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> > Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> > All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place. Depending on how
> > deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last. Only upkeep required is regular
> > use of lime to combat any odors. Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> > we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.
> 
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  7 15:20:30 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:20:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
In-Reply-To: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
References: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <17F312112CEF4E6EB5F23FF2FDB95F01@KerryPC>

Peter have you looked at the date on the Lucas maggy, gives you an 
approximate year to start with (if the maggy has not been changed)
Check out a 1935 unit with number at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/AEPhotos/Kelly&LewisDA.JPG
Kerry


> Hi All
>
> Can anyone in Oz give me a production date of this engine please.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Fri Apr  8 02:42:55 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:42:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
In-Reply-To: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
References: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
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>From what I have read, they were made between 1940 and 1952. These dates were taken from production records.

Eric


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  8 06:37:52 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:37:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
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	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
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On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:

> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:


Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean, that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 

Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to them until they properly construct the equation. 

Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've done a good job.





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:27:19 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

So true, Bill-San,
?
Up until 1965 when we went to Missouri five to seven times per year to visit Grandma down in the holler on the farm where my Mom grew up all they had was a one-holer next to the creek.
What I noticed was every time we showed up there always?was a brand new fresh roll of TP in the outhouse on the peg.
AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
?
I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan
?

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:12 AM


Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.? Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.? wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm 
and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are interested please let us know.

Have a great day,
Peg


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:31:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <9a7b4.4abc2134.3acdb707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <580754.84498.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Who do you know that did that?
According to Mom all they did with corn cobs is burn them in the cook stove in the hot Summer weather.
A quick fire to cook with that will go out fast so the house does not get so hot.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, MBellar at aol.com <MBellar at aol.com> wrote:


From: MBellar at aol.com <MBellar at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:31 AM


Don't forget about he alternate option of a? bushel of brown? corn cobs and 
a white corn cob attached to a string secured to? the wall.


In a message dated 4/6/2011 8:17:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
wmlyoung at yahoo.com writes:

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just? two 
thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite? Sears Catalog.? 
Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were? complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.???wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From:? "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email? discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6,? 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill? your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use 
right? 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good? neighbor 
gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole? and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the? longer it will last.? Only 
upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to? combat any odors.? Just come on up to 
my farm 
and back up to it and? we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it 
right 
up on your? pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William? J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL"? <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011? 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a? toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an? engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are? interested please let us know.

Have a great? day,
Peg



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:34:30 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <750536.63697.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

They make a lovely picture frame.
I wish I had one to display.
Where I grew up there was a three-holer seat board but it is long gone now.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:47 AM


Curt,

That reminds me of a farm auction I attended.? The runner hands the seat board for a
two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
crowd.? "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
it."? He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel.? Gimmie a $10 bill and
go..."

See ya,? Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? Depending on how
> deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep required is regular
> use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:44:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <4D9D2656.1060506@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <855749.88532.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Go here and set up a free discussion group.
Then post the URL here so anyone interested can go watch or be a part of it.
http://www.quicktopic.com/
?
Alan in Michigan
?
?
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Ken Christison <christison at coastalnet.com> wrote:


From: Ken Christison <christison at coastalnet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:49 PM


Guys,

I can set up a mailing list in a few minutes if that is what you all want.
Just can't tolerate large files since it adds up to my meager allotment,
otherwise no problem.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.? If you agree how can we? accomplish?
> (2)? I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.? During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.? I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?? What meaning?? In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,???Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.? Which is the good teacher, A? or 
> B?? Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>? ???Teachers who can't teach?? Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>???(3)? Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?? Lads? Down Under?? Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if? there is a need????Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
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From jneth3 at mac.com  Fri Apr  8 21:55:05 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:55:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0CCAA7F-27AB-463E-976A-3B8861FFF499@mac.com>

The house we live in now had no indoor plumbing or electricity until 1980  when my father bought it from a 96 year old lady.  We still have the two seater down the path.  I think the last real use was around '95 when a winter storm took out power for over a week.  Real handy to have as a back up but chilly.

John in upper east TN.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So true, Bill-San,
>  
> Up until 1965 when we went to Missouri five to seven times per year to visit Grandma down in the holler on the farm where my Mom grew up all they had was a one-holer next to the creek.
> What I noticed was every time we showed up there always was a brand new fresh roll of TP in the outhouse on the peg.
> AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
> In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
>  
> I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
> Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the outhouse.
> About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up while you did your job.
> 
> Alan in Michigan
>  
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/6/11, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:12 AM
> 
> 
> Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
> complete system.  Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.  Monkey 
> Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.
> 
> Bill, in Tako.  wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
> now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
> to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  
> Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep 
> required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm 
> and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
> up on your pit.
> Let me know!
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> 
> The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!
> 
> 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
> 
> If you are interested please let us know.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Peg
> 
> 
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From obise at moscow.com  Sat Apr  9 07:44:30 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 07:44:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
?
I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan
?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock. 

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.  

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr  9 09:20:13 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:20:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Orrin,

You are SOOOO right about "the good old days."  One of my favorite books is titled
just that.  It's an amazing read.  It's also amazing that so many actually survived
"the good old days."
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-They-Were-Terrible/dp/0394709411

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, April 9, 2011 10:44 am, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
> worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
> old days are right here and now.
>
> Orrin




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  9 09:52:17 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:52:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
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Message-ID: <2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>

Look at the way our cultures values have changed since the 40's. I DID  
grow up in "the good old days!"
	Dave

On Apr 9, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Orrin,
>
> You are SOOOO right about "the good old days."  One of my favorite  
> books is titled
> just that.  It's an amazing read.  It's also amazing that so many  
> actually survived
> "the good old days."
> http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-They-Were-Terrible/dp/0394709411
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 9, 2011 10:44 am, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that  
>> good.  We
>> worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.   
>> The good
>> old days are right here and now.
>>
>> Orrin
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr  9 09:58:49 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:58:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302364801.4945.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110409185612.02004c20@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2011, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
>
>They make a lovely picture frame.
><snip>
>Alan in Michigan

Alan,
         Surely you could find a better frame for Obama and Pelosi's 
pictures ! :-)
Jerry




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  9 10:46:05 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:46:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>

Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until 
about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 11:34:59 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110409185612.02004c20@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <548346.90412.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

After the nightmare we have been going through why would I want a picture of either of them???????
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 12:58 PM


At 06:00 PM 09/04/2011, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
>
>They make a lovely picture frame.
><snip>
>Alan in Michigan

Alan,
? ? ? ???Surely you could find a better frame for Obama and Pelosi's 
pictures ! :-)
Jerry


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 11:47:55 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
Message-ID: <534456.4770.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thank you very much Orrin and Dave.
I am going to share this with my 87 year old Mom.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 1:46 PM


Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until 
about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.? We used old catalogs, too.? When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.? They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."? They were not all that good.? We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.? The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.? So little time.



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From obise at moscow.com  Sat Apr  9 13:17:59 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:17:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
	<0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
Message-ID: <52E7F241C1C74A77A1B0A86FED83C4A9@CathyComp>

Dave, I *like* it!  A person could do their biz and make a political
statement at the same time.  

:-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until

about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.



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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  9 13:42:34 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:42:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp><0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>
Message-ID: <70ACE1687EFC4EAF8C1A0C1E1E82C0E3@Arthurhplaptop>

As bad as I hate to Dave, I agree with you . Anyone over 50 has lived thru 
and seen the best days this country will ever see.

Arthur

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:52 PM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

> Look at the way our cultures values have changed since the 40's. I DID
> grow up in "the good old days!"
> Dave
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oilengine at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  9 21:01:06 2011
From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:01:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)
Message-ID: <CC8E5756CDDA4EB68BAEBD83E550601E@FarmerPC>

Hello all, I have had a brass plate engraved for Larry Thomas ("In Memory of Larry Thomas") and I have given it to Kyle Blankenship to be affixed to the OFES Honoree's Plaque, a very small gesture for sure, but at least a memento for ourselves, I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that we will all carry the Love that Larry left us in our hearts for the rest of our days. 

Ecclesiastes 7:1, "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

(Video of Larry and his display at Portland show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBwdKiZnTk

R. Farmer
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From obise at moscow.com  Sun Apr 10 14:54:42 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:54:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl><57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:38 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help

 

On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:

 

> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to

> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as

> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:

 

Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not
Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being
paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean,
that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would
keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 

 

Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a
variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to
every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to
require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me
with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to
them until they properly construct the equation. 

 

Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be
self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it
up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've
done a good job.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Rob, you blew my cover.  :-)  Actually, I *did* learn the importance of
labels (units) in college freshman chemistry class.  It was this way:

 

Our freshman chemistry class was lucky enough to have Doc Willard teach us.
He was the best and we students were smart enough to know we had a gem for
an instructor. When he sidetracked onto his involvement in the Manhattan
Project he kept all of us sitting on the edge of our seats.

 

Unfortunately, the dolts in charge of our laboratory sessions--more brain
dead graduate student TAs--couldn't explain the difference between a mole
and a graduated cylinder.  They were the ones who were supposed to be
teaching us how to work the problems.  None of us caught on, except for one
fellow, Jim Wilhelm, the class genius.  We were lucky enough to have him in
our little circle of friends.

 

Just like everybody else in the class (except Jim), when it came to test
time, I flunked all the problem-solving questions.  To keep the whole class
from flunking, Doc Willard was forced to grade on the curve.  

 

I was still completely in the dark until the night before the final exam for
the year.  Our little clique got together in the basement of a frat house in
order to cram for finals.  One little question of mine revealed to Jim what
I didn't understand.  In about two sentences he showed me the big picture; I
saw the light.  It is something the graduate students couldn't do in a whole
year's-worth of four-hour labs.  

 

>From then, on, I knew how to deal with those very important labels (units of
measure).  The next day Jim and I aced the final exam and in the process we
blew Doc Willard's grading curve, sky-high.   He posted Jim's and my grades
as A++++

 

End of story.  Now, I need to wipe the egg off my face.  In an earlier post
I said:

 

Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:

 

    32-feet

  -----------

      sec

     -----

      sec

 

And went on to say:

 

In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
Inverting and multiplying results in:  

 

32-feet-second

--------------

     sec

 

That is wrong!  I failed to do what I said to do, invert and multiply.

 

   32-feet           32-feet           1          32-feet

--------------  =  -----------  X  ---------  = ------------ 

     sec               sec            sec        sec squared

    -----

     sec

 

Sorry about that, Devin.

 

Orrin

 

Orrin Iseminger

Colton, Washington, USA

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm

So many projects.  So little time.   



From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Apr 10 15:46:44 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:46:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Orrin B Iseminger <obise at moscow.com> wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:38 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
> 
>> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
> 
>> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not
> Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being
> paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean,
> that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would
> keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 
> 
> 
> 
> Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a
> variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to
> every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to
> require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me
> with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to
> them until they properly construct the equation. 
> 
> 
> 
> Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be
> self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it
> up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've
> done a good job.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> 
> Rob, you blew my cover.  :-)  Actually, I *did* learn the importance of
> labels (units) in college freshman chemistry class.  It was this way:
> 
> 
> 
> Our freshman chemistry class was lucky enough to have Doc Willard teach us.
> He was the best and we students were smart enough to know we had a gem for
> an instructor. When he sidetracked onto his involvement in the Manhattan
> Project he kept all of us sitting on the edge of our seats.
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the dolts in charge of our laboratory sessions--more brain
> dead graduate student TAs--couldn't explain the difference between a mole
> and a graduated cylinder.  They were the ones who were supposed to be
> teaching us how to work the problems.  None of us caught on, except for one
> fellow, Jim Wilhelm, the class genius.  We were lucky enough to have him in
> our little circle of friends.
> 
> 
> 
> Just like everybody else in the class (except Jim), when it came to test
> time, I flunked all the problem-solving questions.  To keep the whole class
> from flunking, Doc Willard was forced to grade on the curve.  
> 
> 
> 
> I was still completely in the dark until the night before the final exam for
> the year.  Our little clique got together in the basement of a frat house in
> order to cram for finals.  One little question of mine revealed to Jim what
> I didn't understand.  In about two sentences he showed me the big picture; I
> saw the light.  It is something the graduate students couldn't do in a whole
> year's-worth of four-hour labs.  
> 
> 
> 
>> From then, on, I knew how to deal with those very important labels (units of
> measure).  The next day Jim and I aced the final exam and in the process we
> blew Doc Willard's grading curve, sky-high.   He posted Jim's and my grades
> as A++++
> 
> 
> 
> End of story.  Now, I need to wipe the egg off my face.  In an earlier post
> I said:
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:
> 
> 
> 
>    32-feet
> 
>  -----------
> 
>      sec
> 
>     -----
> 
>      sec
> 
> 
> 
> And went on to say:
> 
> 
> 
> In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
> multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
> Inverting and multiplying results in:  
> 
> 
> 
> 32-feet-second
> 
> --------------
> 
>     sec
> 
> 
> 
> That is wrong!  I failed to do what I said to do, invert and multiply.
> 
> 
> 
>   32-feet           32-feet           1          32-feet
> 
> --------------  =  -----------  X  ---------  = ------------ 
> 
>     sec               sec            sec        sec squared
> 
>    -----
> 
>     sec
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry about that, Devin.
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> 
> Colton, Washington, USA
> 
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> 
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Apr 10 18:05:54 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:05:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)
References: <CC8E5756CDDA4EB68BAEBD83E550601E@FarmerPC>
Message-ID: <B68E524D84E841048C4156FF0745913E@mikecomp>

A great video, a greater loss.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Farmer" <oilengine at embarqmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)


> Hello all, I have had a brass plate engraved for Larry Thomas ("In Memory 
> of Larry Thomas") and I have given it to Kyle Blankenship to be affixed to 
> the OFES Honoree's Plaque, a very small gesture for sure, but at least a 
> memento for ourselves, I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that we 
> will all carry the Love that Larry left us in our hearts for the rest of 
> our days.
>
> Ecclesiastes 7:1, "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the 
> day of death than the day of one's birth."
>
> (Video of Larry and his display at Portland show)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBwdKiZnTk
>
> R. Farmer
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of 
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From obise at moscow.com  Sun Apr 10 20:30:03 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:30:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl><57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp><3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com><48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>

Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.
Concept. How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?

Sent from my iPhone





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Apr 10 21:07:47 2011
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>

Orrin, 
	When you were young had Physics been discovered yet?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

I



From obise at moscow.com  Mon Apr 11 05:49:22 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
References: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>
	<4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <192B2EF63C5F482AB0C60F84AD786163@CathyComp>

Tommy,
	Newton was working on it.  :-)  He got his ideas by watching an
apple fall to the ground.  I was the one who planted the tree.  ;-)
		Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:08 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

Orrin, 
	When you were young had Physics been discovered yet?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

I

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 06:39:51 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

John,
That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.

On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>
> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How
> do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?





From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 08:54:53 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:54:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out the conceptual aspect of physics.

John

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> John,
> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
> 
> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>> 
>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How
>> do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 09:21:18 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:21:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
Message-ID: <35668.25bddb9f.3ad4847e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/6/2011 5:47:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com writes:

I am in  desperate need of a Physics tutor.



Hey Devin,
 
>From all the list tutoring, have you decided to drop physics yet?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 09:20:42 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:20:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Message-ID: <BANLkTinpDv+LqySzkP7ZGCxrgdGmQayvGw@mail.gmail.com>

Standing still would have no acceleration either. I experience that
frequently.
And if you - or it - is slowing down that is negative velocity. (As I
remember it, anyway)

Paul

PS for the older people:  Fire and water are no longer considered elements.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 09:34:32 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:34:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <2AD1E890-4FD3-4FBC-9D45-84578CEEA13C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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John,

I disagree.  The acceleration is the second derivitive of position.
In the case of your bullet example (ignoring air drag), at the time the bullet
changes direction from up to down, its velocity is zero, but the accelleration is
still g (32.17 ft/sec sq or 9.81 m/sec. sq.) as a vector pointing toward the center
of the earth).

Arnie

On Mon, April 11, 2011 11:54 am, John Neth wrote:
> Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or
> direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down
> it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out
> the conceptual aspect of physics.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
>>
>> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>>>
>>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept.
>>> How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?




From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 10:00:03 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:00:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <75c1e2a79ab33657afc10ae93ee5cc7a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <44452B30-0C1D-40DC-AB51-661481F0A902@mac.com>

Good point, that's the part I forgot. 0 velocity but 9.81 m/s/s acceleration.  Still conceptional.  Knew if I was in error someone would correct me.
The change in direction maintains acceleration with 0 velocity.

John 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> John,
> 
> I disagree.  The acceleration is the second derivitive of position.
> In the case of your bullet example (ignoring air drag), at the time the bullet
> changes direction from up to down, its velocity is zero, but the accelleration is
> still g (32.17 ft/sec sq or 9.81 m/sec. sq.) as a vector pointing toward the center
> of the earth).
> 
> Arnie
> 
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 11:54 am, John Neth wrote:
>> Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or
>> direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down
>> it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out
>> the conceptual aspect of physics.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> John,
>>> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>>>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>>>> 
>>>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept.
>>>> How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 11:28:57 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <44452B30-0C1D-40DC-AB51-661481F0A902@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <0e511324a19a70c958d6da18449e16b5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

John,

I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality rather than
conceptual.  Despite the best efforts of some of Obama's henchmen in Congress to
repeal it.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 11, 2011 1:00 pm, John Neth wrote:
> Good point, that's the part I forgot. 0 velocity but 9.81 m/s/s
> acceleration.  Still conceptional.  Knew if I was in error someone
> would correct me.
> The change in direction maintains acceleration with 0 velocity.
>
> John





From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 11 13:32:31 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:32:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <0e511324a19a70c958d6da18449e16b5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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Message-ID: <1DADC7FB-AFCC-4E73-8254-4ACDAA221A4D@me.com>

Plato argued the same thing and notions such as this provided the  
basis of Christianity!
	Dave

On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> John,
>
> I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality  
> rather than
> conceptual.


From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 14:41:27 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:41:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <1DADC7FB-AFCC-4E73-8254-4ACDAA221A4D@me.com>
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Message-ID: <BA3308D4-AFF4-4AFB-8BF7-55A9343FF941@mac.com>

One of my more basic students once told me.  "mr Neth I don't believe in atoms, but I'll learn it for you.". 

One of my main concerns was that all students need a foundation in physics, not just the math but an understanding of the laws.  Disregard the law of gravity and you'll get hurt.  And understand momentum before they get a drivers license.  Won't happen but should.  If voters had a foundation in physics maybe they would understand the rest of science.  Going back to mowing a cemetery now.
John

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Plato argued the same thing and notions such as this provided the  
> basis of Christianity!
>    Dave
> 
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> 
>> I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality  
>> rather than
>> conceptual.
> _______________________________________________
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 00:37:30 2011
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (jnyost at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:37:30 
Subject: [SEL] SEL@lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: 0e1d453b37f99cb5e2cfd4fd4ad03360@[192.168.1.1]

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 09:24:47 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:24:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Been a while....

Got the chassis back from shotblasting and Zinc spraying on Wednesday,
it's been there for a month!

Took it straight to the painters who did a 48-hour turnaround and a lovely job.

Extrusion is all here ready for a start on the body, the side bearers
arew being cut for us tomorrow at our factory landlord's place on
their CNC bandsaw.

Will be bringing it all back home tomorrow to start work on the body.

Pictures of today's collection:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis11.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis12.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis13.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis14.jpg

Chassis in bare unpainted Zinc:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis2.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 10:21:13 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:21:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>

Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to  
back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a  
good driver!
	Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Been a while....
>
> Got the chassis back from shotblasting and Zinc spraying on Wednesday,
> it's been there for a month!
>
> Took it straight to the painters who did a 48-hour turnaround and a  
> lovely job.
>
> Extrusion is all here ready for a start on the body, the side bearers
> arew being cut for us tomorrow at our factory landlord's place on
> their CNC bandsaw.
>
> Will be bringing it all back home tomorrow to start work on the body.
>
> Pictures of today's collection:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis11.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis12.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis13.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis14.jpg
>
> Chassis in bare unpainted Zinc:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis2.jpg
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 12:31:25 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:31:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
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On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> good driver!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
mite technical for her :-))

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 13:13:07 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>


On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>> good driver!
>>        Dave
>
> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> mite technical for her :-))
>
> Peter

I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a  
hitch on the front of my truck!
	Dave



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 13:37:25 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:37:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin35LnOR18QkAQpyLqiOEJwEKLN8w@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 21:13, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
> hitch on the front of my truck!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Already in the pipeline, Dave, one of the first items we looked into.

$US 250.00 for a professional kit, or we can make our own for around $US 80.00.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Apr 15 13:45:39 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:45:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>

Get a horse!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ

Dave Merchant


At 04:13 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>        Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
>
>I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>hitch on the front of my truck!
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr 15 14:42:27 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>

Peter,
I enjoyed seeing pictures of your new trailer.  However, now I  have 
question on the turn table.  Do you have a means (flexible joint)  installed on 
the front axle to allow one wheel to go over a high spot without  causing the 
front axle to bind?
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

 

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email:  listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 16:40:47 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
Message-ID: <454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Really Dave?
I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM



On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>> good driver!
>>? ? ? ? Dave
>
> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> mite technical for her :-))
>
> Peter

I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a? 
hitch on the front of my truck!
??? Dave

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 17:23:56 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <713182.63028.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That was pretty lame actually.
About 140 miles North of me is Mackinac Island.
At least during the Summer time there are no cars to be seen.
Back around 1986 my partner and I had a job to do on the island.
Building materials are very expensive on the island so we took our own.
We hired a guy with a team of horses and a wagon that they called a Dray to haul our materials half way around the island. It looked more like an old movie buckboard
He took to the inner roads but where he had to turn into the rear drive to the lodge we were going to work on he had to back in.
Then he had to back up about 75 feet and do a sharp left between two barns then just past the barns it was a sharp right and down a bank before another left and?right turn around a guest house. Three more turns and he backed up to the rear door to the 1910 Silver Birches lodge.
He did it all so quickly and that team knew his every command.
The wagon driver was a young kid that told me he had only been doing that for thirty days.
He said the horses were the good drivers.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com> wrote:


From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:45 PM


Get a horse!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ

Dave Merchant


At 04:13 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>? ? ? ? Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
>
>I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>hitch on the front of my truck!
>? ? ? ???Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
? ? ? ???- Prof. Phil Jones
? ? ? ???- Director, Climatic Research Unit
? ? ? ???- School of Environmental Sciences
? ? ? ???- University of East Anglia
? ? ? ???- Norwich, UK
? ? ? ???- To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes

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From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 15 17:37:48 2011
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>,
	<454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>


Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib. 

Al Kamminga
 
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
> 
> Really Dave?
> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>  
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>        Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
> 
> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a  
> hitch on the front of my truck!
>     Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 15 18:04:51 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:04:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
Message-ID: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>

Friend looking for a pulley for his 1 1/2 hp International M engine.   
Anyone know of one for sale?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Apr 15 18:21:58 2011
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:21:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
In-Reply-To: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>
References: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A3C72166931A463BACDD4840DA12D0A8@shop>

Hi Tom

That should be pretty easy; did he try Hit & Miss?
I bought one from Charlie Bryant (SP) years ago but I'm not sure if he is
still dealing in old engine parts or not.

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:05 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] pulley help

Friend looking for a pulley for his 1 1/2 hp International M engine.   
Anyone know of one for sale?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 18:33:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:33:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
	<454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68E586D1-F64D-48D2-88A5-5D3D24CE795A@me.com>

Hi Alan and Al, I'm glad you guys are so much better that all the rest  
of us! It's really a joy to know you!
	Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

>
> Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the  
> manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib.
>
> Al Kamminga
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
>> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>>
>> Really Dave?
>> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
>> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we  
>> could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>>>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>>>> good driver!
>>>>       Dave
>>>
>>> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
>>> mite technical for her :-))
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>> hitch on the front of my truck!
>>    Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 20:20:32 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <68E586D1-F64D-48D2-88A5-5D3D24CE795A@me.com>
Message-ID: <352966.61848.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am not, Dave.
We all just come from our own backgrounds.
It has been a real joy the few times I have seen you.
Meeting you and so many other SEL folks for the first time at Lincoln's Show & Tell was a real nice event.
Right now I really wish I had enough vacation time to do the Portland show.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 9:33 PM


Hi Alan and Al, I'm glad you guys are so much better that all the rest? 
of us! It's really a joy to know you!
??? Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

>
> Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the? 
> manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib.
>
> Al Kamminga
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
>> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>>
>> Really Dave?
>> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
>> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we? 
>> could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>>>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>>>> good driver!
>>>>? ? ???Dave
>>>
>>> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
>>> mite technical for her :-))
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>> hitch on the front of my truck!
>>? ? Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 15 20:57:18 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
References: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <89f8d8059fbbffe3ae9f55fec748bfc9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

We had a guy in our club who pulled a farm wagon / people hauler like that with a
pair of mules.  Using just verbal commands he'd back that wagon into a building
stall just as neat as you please.  VERY impressive!!

On Fri, April 15, 2011 4:45 pm, Dave Merchant wrote:
> Get a horse!
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ
> Dave Merchant




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 23:08:32 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:08:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>
References: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinTs8r40vbC7KovgUNCyXszgk26Uw@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 22:42,  <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Peter,
> I enjoyed seeing pictures of your new trailer. ?However, now I ?have
> question on the turn table. ?Do you have a means (flexible joint) ?installed on
> the front axle to allow one wheel to go over a high spot without ?causing the
> front axle to bind?
>

Hi Francis:

The axles have independent suspension at each wheel, the front axle
does not pivot other than in the horizontal plane.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 04:45:13 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:45:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
Message-ID: <3796.23ce2c0c.3adadb49@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/15/2011 9:36:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

That  should be pretty easy; did he try Hit & Miss?



Dave,
 
I told him last night to contact H&M.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 11:05:48 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <6b1c.45109165.3adb347c@aol.com>

Thank you.
 
Francis
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2011 11:16:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

The  axles have independent suspension at each wheel, the front axle
does not  pivot other than in the horizontal  plane.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr 17 02:01:36 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:01:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Huge gantry mill getting installed at Man diesel
Message-ID: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>

Thought you budding machinists might like this:
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/huge-gantry-mill-getting-installed-man-diesel-133961/

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 17 07:28:44 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:28:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Huge gantry mill getting installed at Man diesel
In-Reply-To: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>
References: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <07e72a675e29fdbc2558cec06125d5e1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pete,

That was amazing.  Thanks!!  We see the pics and the movies of the HUGE diesel
engines in ships and power plants and don't give much thought to how they machine
them.  Now we know!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 17, 2011 5:01 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Thought you budding machinists might like this:
> http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/huge-gantry-mill-getting-installed-man-diesel-133961/





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 11:25:07 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:25:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 April 2011 19:03, Don Halvorson <showerxpert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Awesome, want to see the finished project! .......Don

We got the trailer moved from the factory to the house yesterday, only
a few hundred yards, and also got the body mountings on. Today we
moved all of the new ali extrusion down by hand, me and Rita carried
the 24+ft lengths down, one on each shoulder, took us five trips which
produced a few raised eyebrows as we walked down the road!

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis16.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis17.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis18.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis19.jpg

Rita looking on in the last shot, she was there all day, helping with
the  work and carrying the extrusions.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 17 12:10:27 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:10:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <853b.9858168.3adc9523@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/17/2011 2:37:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

me and  Rita carried
the 24+ft lengths down, one on each shoulder, took us five  trips which
produced a few raised eyebrows as we walked down the  road!




Rita is a good woman! That sure is going to one awesome trailer when  
completed!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 17 13:05:11 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>

You are VERY lucky to have such a women Peter. MANY lesser women would  
have traded you in for two thirty year olds many years ago!
	Dave

On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>
> Rita looking on in the last shot, she was there all day, helping with
> the  work and carrying the extrusions.
>
> Peter


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 14:18:00 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:18:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=vp1oAwvbJtE+pYTZjLqQ2CLh1pg@mail.gmail.com>

On 17 April 2011 21:05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> You are VERY lucky to have such a women Peter. MANY lesser women would
> have traded you in for two thirty year olds many years ago!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

LOL!

Rita had a chuckle at that!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 18 06:26:12 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:26:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Farm Welfare To Be Cut?
Message-ID: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>

See: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/18/taxpayer-calculator-farm-subsidies


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 09:25:55 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:25:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Farm Welfare To Be Cut?
In-Reply-To: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>
References: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikDOvc65jfwLXqoPU2JdYqrjstS6w@mail.gmail.com>

And; go to:
http://www.thenation.com/article/159943/tax-day-farms-owned-rich-provide-massive-tax-shelter

In part:
"Take Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computers and the second-richest Texan,
who qualified for an agricultural property tax break on his sprawling
1,757-acre residential ranch in suburban Austin and saved over $1 million
simply because his family and friends sometimes use the land as a private
hunting preserve to shoot deer. Or take billionaire publisher Steve Forbes,
who got more than a 90 percent property tax reduction on hundreds of acres
of his multimillion-dollar estate in upscale Bedminister, New Jersey, just
by putting a couple of cows out to pasture. They are not alone. All across
the country, a huge number of America?s wealthiest are tapping into
agricultural tax breaks?and none of them have to do any real farming to
qualify.

Not only are agricultural tax breaks allowing wealthy landowners to shift
their tax burden onto other less-affluent taxpayers but they are also
helping bankrupt public schools, which derive the bulk of their funding from
local property taxes. "


It is common in California for someone to have what you may consider a
country estate - frequently very close to a city - that has just a couple of
cows or other animals so it can be considered a farm.

Paul - still a city boy.


From swebre at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:00 2011
From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:56:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1303228802.24181.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.0.1303228802.24181.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W33158C2B4DD4E359C5AC6ADB900@phx.gbl>


Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South Louisiana to join in some food and engines.    
 
Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958

JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and friends! 

-Steve- 


 
  		 	   		  

From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 19 16:37:47 2011
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:37:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
Message-ID: <6ce22ab4.140fe8.12f70207b8b.Webtop.42@charter.net>




On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Steve Webre wrote:

> Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou 
> for the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to 
> South Louisiana to join in some food and engines.     Here is a link 
> to the big adventure at JB's camp:
> http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958
>
> JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ 
> food and friends!
> -Steve-
>
The SEL group can tell you that Steve and Mel did their share, everyone 
came in on Thursday, we did the "power tour" Friday, ending up at Steve 
and Mels for a delicious crawfish etouffe (a-too-fay). Saturday was the 
Cypress Sawmill Festival and engine show, Sunday at my camp.
J.B.


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr 19 17:40:11 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:40:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
Message-ID: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>

That is one Shindig that I would love to attend, we have not been down
south yet ;-)))
Peter, Oz



Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for
the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South
Louisiana to join in some food and engines.    
 
Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958

JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and
friends! 

-Steve- 


 
  		 	   		  
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 21 18:28:25 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:28:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I Know The Feeling!
Message-ID: <A7E33E29-84BA-4169-813F-31B0FFDD854C@me.com>

See: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504784_162-20056188-10391705.html?tag=cbsnewsTwoColLowerPromoArea;morenews


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Apr 24 18:34:43 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:34:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Check out antique sideshaft engine
Message-ID: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>

Here is side shaft engine for sale on Craigslist.
 
_Click here: antique  sideshaft engine_ 
(http://slo.craigslist.org/atq/2340710123.html)   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 19:46:51 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:46:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Check out antique sideshaft engine
In-Reply-To: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9DB1DBB.7C9E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

A poor lonely Austral, a long way from home.


On 25/4/11 11:34 AM, "FRM8198 at aol.com" <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:

> Here is side shaft engine for sale on Craigslist.
>  
> _Click here: antique  sideshaft engine_
> (http://slo.craigslist.org/atq/2340710123.html)
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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Patrick M Livingstone
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 26 08:55:31 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:55:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 26 09:35:44 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:35:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Bill,

The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only had 36hp.

They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing changes for the Super M.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 26 10:01:37 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:01:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0e0d8b96496eef3a961c1a4790f4af67.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

But will the live hydraulic pump from the super M go onto the M engine
he'd like to put into the super M?

> Bill,
>
> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
> had 36hp.
>
> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp
> producing changes for the Super M.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
>
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 26 11:31:16 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:31:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <9A2C5730-4128-4B68-A7A3-10DA9F893A27@scrtc.com>

Bill, 
     Try this before you start pulling engines, etc.  Mix up a pint of acetone and a pint of auto trans fluid.  Remove the spark plugs and put some in each cylinder.  Let It set for at least a week.  Pull the starter and take a pry bar and pry against the ring gear to break it loose.  My dad was an M Farmall guy and I've seen him on more than one occasion do this.  I remember him doing this with an M one morning and that afternoon we had it in the field pulling a hay wagon.  You don't have anything to lose but a little time.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
> 
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
> 
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 27 10:08:45 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:08:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>

Hey Fellas,
 
Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,  
steel, etc., around the shop.
 
Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it  has 
one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper  
color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and  does not 
appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the copper 
as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Wed Apr 27 09:54:36 2011
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:54:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
Message-ID: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>

Hello group,
	Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA. 
Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?

Rupert
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 27 10:17:48 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:17:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds9497A2B5F679C24354217BB980@phx.gbl>

Scrape the silver Tom...is there copper under that?

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] welding cable


> Hey Fellas,
>
> Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,
> steel, etc., around the shop.
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it  has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and  does 
> not
> appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the 
> copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 10:45:24 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:45:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd:  OT IH M tractor question for a friend]
Message-ID: <97baea6932aaf86a9ac8648c89c79d54.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
From:    "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Date:    Wed, April 27, 2011 1:21 pm
To:      "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Hi Arnie,
         May I ask you to do me a favour. Please forward this to Spencer and the SEL
list. He did mention a while back that the &quot;rejection rules&quot; from
TrendMicro's virus/spam filtering system sometimes rejected valid mail but
they are rejecting EVERY reply (or post) that I make. The address I'm
sending from is the one registered with SEL so the problem cannot lie
there.  Every reply I've made to the SEL list in about the last 2 months
has been rejected with the message:

 &quot;The message's content type was not explicitly allowed&quot;.

 Appended below are the headers from the rejection notice.
 Many thanks,
 Jerry

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 10:47:04 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:47:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

It's silver.  BIG BUKS.

Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 1:08 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and does not
> appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 11:01:29 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:01:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
method (like cash)?

I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.

As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?





From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr 27 11:30:46 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:30:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
	<d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F552B646C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wasn't there some restriction for U.S. customers in that you really needed to have a foreign bank account to use this well.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:01 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers

Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
method (like cash)?

I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.

As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?



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From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 12:34:49 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:34:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
	<4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimQTp7-vqH76TDacQvs8xrYcOkkLg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> It's silver. ?BIG BUKS.
>
>
If you can fume it with sulphur dioxide, it should go black if it's
silver. Or leave it out and wait and see. Something like aluminum
won't go black.


-- 
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VE3HOP
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http://www.andersonloco.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 27 15:06:22 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:06:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's  silver.  BIG BUKS.



Arnie,
 
Sure would be nice if it was silver.  Maybe I will take it to my  jewelry 
buddy for evaluation.
 
Rick,
 
Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish  color 
disappears with more scraping.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 15:47:25 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443362.72664.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

High end welding cable consists of really fine strands of wire that are tin plated to stop corrosion. When a cheapo cable gets used and the jacket gets skinned, moisture gets into the strands and you get a big green swollen spot that eventually causes the cable to fail. Do a google search on tinned welding cable if you like.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:06 PM



In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's? silver.? BIG BUKS.



Arnie,

Sure would be nice if it was silver.? Maybe I will take it to my? jewelry 
buddy for evaluation.

Rick,

Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish? color 
disappears with more scraping.???

Tom? Schmutz
Concord,? Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Wed Apr 27 15:57:35 2011
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:57:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
	<d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4DB89F5F.5040903@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Arnie. That article says it all.

Rupert

On 4/27/2011 12:01 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
> payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
> method (like cash)?
>
> I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.
>
> As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
> integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
> concerns.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
>> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 17:35:06 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:35:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3ee63f425577cb6eeb54f3815d41043e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Or it could be platinum.  BIGGER BUKS!!

On Wed, April 27, 2011 6:06 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
>
> It's  silver.  BIG BUKS.
>
> Sure would be nice if it was silver.  Maybe I will take it to my  jewelry
> buddy for evaluation.
>
> Rick,
>
> Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish  color
> disappears with more scraping.




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 27 18:23:21 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:23:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
References: <443362.72664.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013901cc0542$dcb0daa0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

It is as Joe says.  Tin coated copper.  Good for number 2, paying $3.25 in 
Youngstown.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable


High end welding cable consists of really fine strands of wire that are tin 
plated to stop corrosion. When a cheapo cable gets used and the jacket gets 
skinned, moisture gets into the strands and you get a big green swollen spot 
that eventually causes the cable to fail. Do a google search on tinned 
welding cable if you like.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
Milligan

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:06 PM



In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's silver. BIG BUKS.



Arnie,

Sure would be nice if it was silver. Maybe I will take it to my jewelry
buddy for evaluation.

Rick,

Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish color
disappears with more scraping.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 27 19:48:47 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:48:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>

Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
on.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
(DS)
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

Bill,

The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
had 36hp.

They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
changes for the Super M.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.

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From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 27 20:18:48 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:18:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
Message-ID: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>

On 4/27/2011 7:48 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
> Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
> OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
> someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
> on.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
> (DS)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> Bill,
>
> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
> had 36hp.
>
> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
> changes for the Super M.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
>
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>
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The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!

Bob Holtzer


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 27 21:06:03 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:06:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
	<4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3F4217A4-717D-4334-A951-20B286DA6C22@scrtc.com>

The distributor mounted hyd pump will work on the regular M engine.  You could buy a live hyd kit from M & W that mounted between the distributor and block and  I know of a couple of M's my dad did this to.  The only problem is with the reduced hp of a regular M engine You lug the engine pretty good depending on what you are operating with the hyd.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:18 PM, "Robert L. Holtzer" <rholtzer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 4/27/2011 7:48 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
>> Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
>> OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
>> someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
>> on.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
>> (DS)
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
>> had 36hp.
>> 
>> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
>> changes for the Super M.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> bill at antique-engines.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>> 
>> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
>> experts here??
>> 
>> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
>> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
>> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
>> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
>> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
>> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
>> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
>> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
>> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
>> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
>> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
>> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
>> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
>> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>> 
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> The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
> The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
> small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
> heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 27 21:11:30 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:11:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
	<4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <228B625C-4D78-480A-93FC-CB08A8D2EBD8@scrtc.com>

I think the only difference was the thickness of the sleeves.  




>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
> The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
> small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
> heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!
> 
> Bob Holtzer
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 00:01:34 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:01:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim+BW6aTp=J3ceLtQori4KkqssaWA@mail.gmail.com>

On 27 April 2011 18:08,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Fellas,
>
> Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,
> steel, etc., around the shop.
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it ?has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands. ?Non magnetic. ?It is heavy and ?does not
> appear to be aluminum. ?Any ideas? ?Took it out as I ?want to sell the copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom ?Schmutz

Tinned Copper as the other guys have mentioned, we find that about 50%
of our cable comes tinned, especially the larger sizes, we buy up to
70mm sq (00 AWG) for the charger leads.

Our local scrappie doesn't mind the tin coating, just needs the outer
sheaths to be removed so it is just copper on the scales.

Peter
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr 28 05:06:37 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel to 
assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, PA. 
The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906 
and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to 
find a more fascinating place. 
http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ

ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on 
negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have 
permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation 
work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested in 
joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and 
neglect.

Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a 
workshop inside.
2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance of 
the plant.
3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor 
demonstrations
4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to 
ensure the structural stability of the plant.
5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.

Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help out.

Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse 
Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display. 
150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.

We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on 
volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and 
I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have 
such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 projects 
at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at Carrie 
this year.

 If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is 
great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit that 
is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the "Rowlands' 
Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.

Thanks and I hope you can join us.

Rick Rowlands
rick at todengine.org
330-272-4089 





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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr 28 05:58:06 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <1776a.1f41f04c.3aeabe5e@aol.com>

That corrosion inhibitor makes a lot of sense as I see some of the fine  
silver strands among the copper strands too.  The one most notable was the  
larger one with all fine strands silver in color. 
The cable that I was removing insulation from was so deteriorated that the  
insulation just crumbled off with a twist of the hand.  
 
Maybe I will get rich enough from all this recycle junk that I will be able 
 to pay for my gas to the Reidsville, NC show on Saturday!
 
Thanks to everyone for the all the info.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 28 06:16:57 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:16:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
In-Reply-To: <01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
	<01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>

Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is fascinating.
I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at the 
BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor 
malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that plugs 
up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron 
comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that closes 
the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast 
furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting 
sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the 
good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper 
imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia





For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel to
assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, PA.
The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to
find a more fascinating place.
http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ

ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have
permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation
work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested in
joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
neglect.

Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
workshop inside.
2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance of
the plant.
3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
demonstrations
4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
ensure the structural stability of the plant.
5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.

Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help out.

Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display.
150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.

We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on
volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have
such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 projects
at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at Carrie
this year.

If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is
great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit that
is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the "Rowlands'
Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.

Thanks and I hope you can join us.

Rick Rowlands
rick at todengine.org
330-272-4089





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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr 28 07:56:36 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:56:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com><01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast furnace 
plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I plan to 
make it operational again.  It is electric.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA


> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is 
> fascinating.
> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at 
> the
> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor
> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that 
> plugs
> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron
> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that closes
> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast
> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting
> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the
> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel 
> to
> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, 
> PA.
> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to
> find a more fascinating place.
> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>
> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have
> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation
> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested 
> in
> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
> neglect.
>
> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
> workshop inside.
> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance 
> of
> the plant.
> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
> demonstrations
> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>
> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help 
> out.
>
> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display.
> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>
> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on
> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have
> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 
> projects
> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at 
> Carrie
> this year.
>
> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is
> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit 
> that
> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the 
> "Rowlands'
> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>
> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> rick at todengine.org
> 330-272-4089
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 10:16:29 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
Message-ID: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:49:24 2011
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:49:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>


All the blue tarps are safe at the Royster compound! I hope everyone else was as lucky.  Thanks steve
 
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
> 
> Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
> there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:02:04 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:02:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Hf-gLeEC2tYXD-cHwJZ8wHLcWtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Been a while....

Next update:

Body floor is cut and held in with Sikaflex 221 adhesive/sealer, it's
pretty solid to walk over and feels nice and firm. Winch mounts are
already in place below the floor, we have to make up spacers to carry
the winch bolts through the floor and onto the 2" box section
underneath.

Checker plate is 5mm heavy duty stuff and is really only for where the
engine trolley wheels run. Lashing eye holes are at each corner,
bolted through the honeycomb floor with steel spacers onto guesseted
corner brackets.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis28.jpg

Last holiday weekend we got a lot more done:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis29.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis30.jpg

Today we had a truck arrive with the main side panels, 24ft X 8ft by
14mm thick, GRP on plywood.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis33.jpg

Couple of hours later we had them cut to size and the wheelarches and
front frame cutaways done.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis31.jpg

The front panel is uncut, it's 8ft square and we should be getting
that erected tomorrow, ready for putting up the sides over the holiday
weekend. Lots of material left over, we started at 196kg per sheet and
got it down to 136kg per sheet, which makes them much more handleable.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis32.jpg

I'll get some more pictures taken over the weekend and post next week.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 28 16:14:16 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:14:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com><01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174><980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
	<024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>

Pity I am so far away (smile) good luck.
Peter


> I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast 
> furnace
> plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I plan to
> make it operational again.  It is electric.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
>
>
>> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is
>> fascinating.
>> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at
>> the
>> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
>> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor
>> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that
>> plugs
>> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron
>> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that 
>> closes
>> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
>> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast
>> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting
>> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the
>> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
>> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
>> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel
>> to
>> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin,
>> PA.
>> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
>> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard 
>> to
>> find a more fascinating place.
>> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>>
>> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
>> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I 
>> have
>> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the 
>> preservation
>> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested
>> in
>> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
>> neglect.
>>
>> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
>> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
>> workshop inside.
>> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance
>> of
>> the plant.
>> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
>> demonstrations
>> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
>> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
>> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
>> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>>
>> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help
>> out.
>>
>> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
>> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for 
>> display.
>> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>>
>> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending 
>> on
>> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
>> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and 
>> have
>> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011
>> projects
>> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at
>> Carrie
>> this year.
>>
>> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that 
>> is
>> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit
>> that
>> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the
>> "Rowlands'
>> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>>
>> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> rick at todengine.org
>> 330-272-4089
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =======
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 28 16:35:15 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:35:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
In-Reply-To: <74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
	<01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
	<024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <23228FAB-2684-4129-B4B1-C9CEB43962CA@me.com>

I've sure as hell heard THAT EXCUSE before!
	Dave

On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Pity I am so far away (smile) good luck.
> Peter
>
>
>> I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast
>> furnace
>> plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I  
>> plan to
>> make it operational again.  It is electric.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
>>
>>
>>> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is
>>> fascinating.
>>> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and  
>>> tradesman at
>>> the
>>> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them  
>>> 24/7.
>>> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the  
>>> motor
>>> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device  
>>> that
>>> plugs
>>> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten  
>>> iron
>>> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that
>>> closes
>>> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
>>> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4  
>>> blast
>>> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and  
>>> getting
>>> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable,  
>>> aahhh the
>>> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
>>> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
>>> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers  
>>> of Steel
>>> to
>>> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in  
>>> Rankin,
>>> PA.
>>> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built  
>>> in 1906
>>> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its  
>>> hard
>>> to
>>> find a more fascinating place.
>>> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>>>
>>> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
>>> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the  
>>> site. I
>>> have
>>> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the
>>> preservation
>>> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be  
>>> interested
>>> in
>>> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion  
>>> and
>>> neglect.
>>>
>>> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
>>> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and  
>>> establishing a
>>> workshop inside.
>>> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the  
>>> appearance
>>> of
>>> the plant.
>>> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
>>> demonstrations
>>> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making  
>>> repairs to
>>> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
>>> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
>>> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>>>
>>> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to  
>>> help
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905  
>>> Westinghouse
>>> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for
>>> display.
>>> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>>>
>>> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May,  
>>> depending
>>> on
>>> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact  
>>> me and
>>> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project,  
>>> and
>>> have
>>> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011
>>> projects
>>> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at
>>> Carrie
>>> this year.
>>>
>>> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis  
>>> that
>>> is
>>> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time  
>>> visit
>>> that
>>> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the
>>> "Rowlands'
>>> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>>>
>>> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> rick at todengine.org
>>> 330-272-4089
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =======
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 29 05:53:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:53:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
Message-ID: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>

See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 29 07:06:17 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:06:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Farmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
References: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
Message-ID: <85D6C5F0-318F-4189-8973-808434F4DCE1@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/


Hey, Dave.
I used to use raw milk. Now I only use milk in cooking other stuff, so it's hardly worth the trouble. If I drank milk, it would be raw. We can buy it legally in grocery stores.

When we give the government the power to take away the things that are worst for us, we also give them the power to take away the things that are best for us, until we are all mediocre drones in an egalitarian world of gray.

Interestingly, Williams just wrote on this subject last week:
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/04/27/smugglers_as_heroes

Party on,
Rob





From kd5byb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 07:30:25 2011
From: kd5byb at gmail.com (ben hall)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:30:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTiknArfQr3cLqO+ywnTTHwF-DhNQHw@mail.gmail.com>

Morning all,

Greetings from north Alabama.  Northern AL got hammered.  One tornado
went about 2 tenths mile south of our house. I watched it pass by. No
damage to our house, but many not far away are gone.  Our little
grocery store is gone as is our pharmacy and gas station.  9 dead so
far.  All Northern Alabama is without power.  Writing this from a
McDonalds in Southern Tennessee.

Thanks much all,
ben


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Steve Royster
<steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> All the blue tarps are safe at the Royster compound! I hope everyone else was as lucky. ?Thanks steve
>
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
>> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
>>
>> Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
>> there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 29 08:18:21 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:18:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
Message-ID: <10930.173a8a35.3aec30bd@aol.com>

Ben,
 
Glad you and your family and home are safe, but very sorry for those lives  
lost and homes and businesses.  Los of damage and lives lost in the South,  
and on up into Virginia were we live.  No damage around us in central  
Virginia, but south and east of us.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 18:19:48 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
Message-ID: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Raw milk is a lot better for ya.
I own 1/20 of a dairy cow named Cindy.
I paid $75 for that share of her.
I get one gallon of raw milk per week.
The cows he has that are not divided into shares and sold still give millk and that milk goes on the truck so all of his cows and their milk are tested regularly.
Alan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>, slick at toltbbs.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:53 AM


See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/
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From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 19:46:04 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:46:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
Message-ID: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
anyone knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?

-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
http://www.andersonloco.com


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr 29 20:50:12 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
Message-ID: <419d.22f527c0.3aece0f3@aol.com>

 
Paul, 
Here is quick way to check the ignition system on a Maytag Model  92.
 
Open the points.
Make sure the spark plug end of the high  tension lead is about 3/16" from 
the block. The spark plug may be used if  grounded to the block.
Momentarily apply 9 volts (battery) across the  points.
A good coil and condenser will give a  blue spark. 
 
The primary coil resistance is about 2.2 ohms. The secondary (high  
tension) coil resistance is about 9500 ohms using the same ground point as the  
primary side. These resistance readings are not absolute and vary slightly from 
 coil to coil. 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca

 
 
In a message dated 4/29/2011 7:53:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
wackyvorlon at gmail.com writes:

I'm  working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
anyone  knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?

-- 
Paul  Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
http://www.andersonloco.com
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Apr 29 23:09:14 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:09:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
Message-ID: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>

Hi all 
Does anyone in Oz have any photos or actually have the following anvils.

G F Loft  Anvil  - Melbourne

B K  Anvil  Sydney

I am picking up these two sight unseen very cheap, I am keeping the best and selling the other one.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 30 05:49:26 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:49:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110430124925.989EC98E0@smtp.wcoil.com>

Depending on the 92 coil there will be one of two resistance 
readings, Approx 7500  and 4500  the 7500  is the most common. Mark


At 10:46 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote:
>I'm working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
>anyone knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?
>
>--
>Paul Anderson
>VE3HOP
>wackyvorlon at gmail.com
>http://www.andersonloco.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr 30 06:45:16 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
In-Reply-To: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
References: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against me.  8-))

Google is your friend...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-BLACKSMITHS-ANVIL-G-F-LOFT-MELBOURNE-Can-post-/360362330993?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item53e744cb71

http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/blacksmithgallery.htm

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0033-56546/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/anvil-bk-sydney-approx-470mm-l-x-210mm-h-on-steel-angle-base-plates-14

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Antique-anvil-2-6-kgs-B-K-Sydney-brand-can-post-/110638960810

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Remember, lift with your legs, not your back.  8-))

On Sat, April 30, 2011 2:09 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Does anyone in Oz have any photos or actually have the following anvils.
>
> G F Loft  Anvil  - Melbourne
> B K  Anvil  Sydney
>
> I am picking up these two sight unseen very cheap, I am keeping the best and selling
> the other one.





From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 30 14:17:46 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:17:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
In-Reply-To: <1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
	<1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A16CBF9B-9E01-4915-940C-12119D8F9A50@me.com>

Arnie, Don't worry, I don't think Peter is "that sort" of guy!
	Dave

On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against  
> me.  8-))


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 30 17:30:36 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:30:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF447DDF-587A-4021-BACA-12C72DB135EA@me.com>

THAT'S NEAT!
	Dave
PS, Tell Cindy that I said HI!

On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Alan wrote:

> Raw milk is a lot better for ya.
> I own 1/20 of a dairy cow named Cindy.
> I paid $75 for that share of her.
> I get one gallon of raw milk per week.
> The cows he has that are not divided into shares and sold still give  
> millk and that milk goes on the truck so all of his cows and their  
> milk are tested regularly.
> Alan
>
> --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary- 
> engine.com>, "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com 
> >, slick at toltbbs.com
> Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:53 AM
>
>
> See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr 30 22:19:56 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:19:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
References: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC><1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A16CBF9B-9E01-4915-940C-12119D8F9A50@me.com>
Message-ID: <6DA9CEA1583D4778BD101A7C4D39D09D@peterlowe>

Hi Dave and Arnie
How could I hold anything against two good engine friends (smile)
Thanks for the links Arnie, that first Ebay link must have just been placed 
there, it was not there yesterday.
Thanks to all the others for replying.

Pete, Oz



> Arnie, Don't worry, I don't think Peter is "that sort" of guy!
> Dave
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against
>> me.  8-))
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 05:45:52 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:45:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
53044666_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666) 
 
Anyone ever seen one like this?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr  1 06:24:46 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:24:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110401132445.1F21D9557@smtp.wcoil.com>

There one just 10 miles from me. The Caddy of Chargers. You see one 
every now and then. Mark


At 08:45 AM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>_http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
>temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
>msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
>53044666_
>(http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
>4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666)
>
>Anyone ever seen one like this?
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Apr  1 06:59:15 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:59:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <485276.61836.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU137-W123046034005CAEE525B70E7BC0@phx.gbl>,
	<485276.61836.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W21788C7B03693A5E36DCB8E7BE0@phx.gbl>


Bill only has 47 engines, even with a flat bed, he could never exhibit them all, so one will not be missed.  He even has a Handy Andy at the foot of his bed.
 
Peg
 
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:37:39 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Land sakes,,,,
> Get out your shovels,,,,
> Keep the engines.  8>))
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/30/11, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 5:50 PM
> 
> 
> 
> The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!
> 
> 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
> 
> If you are interested please let us know.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Peg
> 
> 
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Apr  1 06:53:44 2011
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:53:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <29601779D0E1457E8C1EFC3232CC293C@laruecounty.courthouse>

No, not one that big Tom.  Wow that's a whopper!  You had better not be
wearing a wrist watch when you use that think.  I'm not so sure somebody
with a pacemaker should be around it either!  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,KY




 
Anyone ever seen one like this?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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SEL mailing list
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 07:56:09 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 07:56:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> _http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQi
> temZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkpar
> msZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D81473939247
> 53044666_ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
> 4QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147393924753044666) 
> 
> Anyone ever seen one like this?  
> 

Nice! Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the benefit that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest inconvenience is that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half a day before using it. 

Rob





From oldengine at comcast.net  Fri Apr  1 10:14:04 2011
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>

I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that 
purchase.
Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.

http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm

-- Harry

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  1 10:52:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:52:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>

All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It  
boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)  
magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when  
the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets  
for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)  
who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. Both have worked  
well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I  
am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my  
KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to  
take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
	Dave

On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Harry wrote:

> I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
> I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that
> purchase.
> Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.
>
> http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm
>
> -- Harry
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 11:15:29 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:15:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
Message-ID: <EFEFA7D3-A129-4FB4-8826-A0901D1466B4@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 1, 2011, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. 

I understand why a liberal arts major would become confused. To answer your question, your 15 pound charger is only 3.3% a cool as this Weidenhoff. 

Rob




From oldironnut at windstream.net  Fri Apr  1 12:18:13 2011
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:18:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>

On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Nice! Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the benefit that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest inconvenience is that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half a day before using it. 

Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!

Mike


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 12:22:59 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:22:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <309e0.4f99e6b6.3ac78013@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/1/2011 11:08:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rob at rustyiron.com writes:

Nice!  Mine's a Weidenhoff, but not even a quarter as big. This one has the 
benefit  that it's Plug-n-Play. Mine is 12-24 vdc, and the greatest 
inconvenience is  that I have to put the batteries on the charger for at least half 
a day before  using it. 




Yep.  But then to use this one at a show, you have to take your  generator! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr  1 13:13:43 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:13:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>


Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production 
charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full 
strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the 
proper effect.  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen 
up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound 
brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all 
day long from 0 to full charge. So to answer your question we don't 
need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use 
here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a 
somewhat larger one some day.
  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of 
us need by far. And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a 
pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the 
other implanted electronic medical devices.

                    TTYL,  Mark


At 01:52 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It
>boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)
>magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when
>the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets
>for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)
>who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. Both have worked
>well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I
>am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my
>KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to
>take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
>         Dave
>
>On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Harry wrote:
>
> > I got my Weidenhoff years back at the Zolfo Springs show.
> > I'm not sure if it's as heavy as this one, but I never regretted that
> > purchase.
> > Apparently Weidenhoff developed through several models.
> >
> > http://www.old-engine.com/magsum.htm
> >
> > -- Harry
> >
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Huge-450-Pound-Magneto-Charger-Weidenhoff_W0QQitemZ230602256317QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m137
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  1 15:40:30 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:40:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>

Hi Mark,
On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> proper effect.
What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even  
stronger magnetism?
>  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> day long from 0 to full charge.
Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
> So to answer your question we don't
> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> somewhat larger one some day.
If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger one?
>  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> us need by far.
Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
> And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>
>                    TTYL,  Mark
	Dave


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Apr  1 16:25:47 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:25:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


>
> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> proper effect.  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> day long from 0 to full charge. So to answer your question we don't
> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> somewhat larger one some day.
>  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> us need by far. And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>
>                    TTYL,  Mark
>
>
> At 01:52 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>>All this raises an old question--one I have asked myself for years. It
>>boils down to this, "How much better a job does a large (ie 450 lbs.)
>>magnet charger do than a smaller one--say 100 lbs?" What happens when
>>the charger weight is dropped to, say, 15 lbs? I have charged magnets
>>for antique engines with a 15# charger built by some guy (from FL:)
>>who sells/sold them and also with my ~100# charger. BYou oth have worked
>>well and have fired an engine just fine after charging the magnets. I
>>am a real fan of "bigger is better" (as many of you who have seen my
>>KING DICK can attest.) However the "law of diminishing returns" has to
>>take affect somewhere in the charging of magnets!
>>         Dave


You have revived my senile memories and I have dug out the magnetiser I 
built 30+ years ago.
I wound the magnet myself with about 50 turns of very heavy windings.
To get the very high magnetic field I used a 50 volt transformer and a 
rectifier to give me a 50 volt
DC supply with which I slowly charged a very large capacitor. (100,000 
Microfarad).
I then discharged this with a Thyristor triggered with a button. Every thing 
metalic turned to the device!
Very short but the effect worked well.
I have dug it out and pictures are at
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/579990241sMmfWY
Best Regards.
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 16:55:13 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:55:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:

> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!



Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.























From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Apr  1 19:02:05 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:02:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
	<98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>

Rob, 
     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!

Tommy Turner




 Sent from my iPad

On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> 
>> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the famous SEL shipment relays!
> 
> 
> 
> Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  1 21:16:03 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:16:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
	<5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com>
	<3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net>
	<98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
	<9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <9D41F779-2A05-4929-8F08-99841EBDF885@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob, 
>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
> 
> Tommy Turner



Meh. Mike and I have a non-compete agreement, while I work on my magnetic amplification circuit that will reach across the continent.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:42:59 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:42:59 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimzr9kF0n=PhgJRXeU40FvG7k8tVg@mail.gmail.com>

On 1 April 2011 13:45,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever seen one like this?
>
> Tom ?Schmutz

Looks like a set of Mercury-Vapour rectifers in there to provide
high-power DC, although the mains isolation transformer is not that
large, so it possibly takes 110V AC direct to the rectifiers and the
transformer is for the rectifier heaters.

Pretty rare old beast!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  2 04:37:54 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:37:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com><5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com><3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net><98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com>
	<9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <3C839DE4F64A440D8FD5A892CF402353@mikecomp>

As it needs to!  The earth's balance is still in peril with all that iron in 
KY.  It need to shift southeast a few degrees in order to stop global 
warming!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


> Rob,
>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old 
> iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
>>
>>> Then you NEEEEEEDDDDD to buy this big beast and then set up one of the 
>>> famous SEL shipment relays!
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you remember how the Master Cylinder built a giant magnet on the moon 
>> and used it to capture Felix? You could set this up in your barn, point 
>> it toward North Carolina, hook it up to 240, and end up with the entire 
>> Royster collection (sans the non-ferrous blue tarps) in your yard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  2 04:39:44 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 07:39:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <6dac.6ec4e9c6.3ac72300@aol.com><5A67A035-2430-4972-9822-4563333576D1@rustyiron.com><3E8DFA14-56FD-4CF4-BD75-1C3A0D1DDEE6@windstream.net><98906592-32A9-4E0E-8B06-A6C948A39701@rustyiron.com><9C172D8D-000A-4DD6-B514-B70EAEE94232@scrtc.com>
	<9D41F779-2A05-4929-8F08-99841EBDF885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <92F9BB1F073043B6A3E7F0BE0154E84B@mikecomp>

and I whoop up another batch of elixer to spike the Pepsi.  Charrrrrrrrrrrr 
is much needed to help trade old iron on the west coast!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>     I'm afraid he'll point that thing west instead of east.  If so, old 
>> iron will be moving out of my shed and not the Roysters!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Meh. Mike and I have a non-compete agreement, while I work on my magnetic 
> amplification circuit that will reach across the continent.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oldengine at comcast.net  Sat Apr  2 10:18:40 2011
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:18:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <4D975A70.7010603@comcast.net>

Those are Tungar Bulbs. There are two in my unit and I think there are 
four used in the eBay unit to power both sets of poles. They must have 
had something special to charge with the poles 90 degrees apart and a 
switch is provided to select two or four. There is also a spare bulb in 
the unit being sold. I was able to pick up a few spare bulbs from eBay 
over past years.

http://www.old-engine.com/image/tungar.jpg

 >> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:42:59 +0100
 >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
 >> Looks like a set of Mercury-Vapour rectifers in there to provide
 >> high-power DC, although the mains isolation transformer is not that
 >> large, so it possibly takes 110V AC direct to the rectifiers and the
 >> transformer is for the rectifier heaters.


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  2 11:49:45 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:49:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>

Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along. 
This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the best I can.

#1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point 
you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a 
stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to 
Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it 
will not.  Many specifics left out.

#2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large 
groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of 
the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in 
Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger. 
Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that 
you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to 
suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were 
about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they 
were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt 
cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to 
specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to 
be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have 
adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator 
needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our engines.

#3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation 
some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally 
intended by the magneto manufacturer.

#4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work 
with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be 
undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing 
the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original 
specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just 
not enough for us to notice on casual observation.

All this to the best of my understanding and observation.

Mark S.


At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
> > charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
> > strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
> > proper effect.
>What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even
>stronger magnetism?
> >  While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
> > up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450 pound
> > brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets all
> > day long from 0 to full charge.
>Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
> > So to answer your question we don't
> > need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
> > here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
> > somewhat larger one some day.
>If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger one?
> >  I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
> > us need by far.
>Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
> > And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
> > pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
> > other implanted electronic medical devices.
> >
> >                    TTYL,  Mark
>         Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  2 12:40:09 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:40:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
	<20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>

Thanks Mark! Was not yanking your chain at all! Your "understanding  
and observations" have helped my understanding a good bit! One  
additional question with which you may be able to help: Can you make a  
guess as to whether or not my 100# magnet charger brings the charge up  
to (aproximately) what you call "the point originally intended by the  
magneto manufacturer?" (I'm taking for granted that the 450# beast  
would do that--and perhaps more!)
	Dave

On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along.
> This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the  
> best I can.
>
> #1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point
> you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a
> stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to
> Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it
> will not.  Many specifics left out.
>
> #2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large
> groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of
> the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in
> Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger.
> Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that
> you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to
> suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were
> about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they
> were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt
> cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to
> specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to
> be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have
> adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator
> needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our  
> engines.
>
> #3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation
> some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally
> intended by the magneto manufacturer.
>
> #4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work
> with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be
> undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing
> the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original
> specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just
> not enough for us to notice on casual observation.
>
> All this to the best of my understanding and observation.
>
> Mark S.
>
>
> At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this one is a production
>>> charger. Made to charge new bar stock steel from 0 magnetism to full
>>> strength so you have to produce a much stronger field to get the
>>> proper effect.
>> What (exactly) is "full strength?" Would a 850# charger provide even
>> stronger magnetism?
>>> While the smaller chargers we use are just to freshen
>>> up the already charged but just slightly weak magnets. That 450  
>>> pound
>>> brute was made to do what we do not need it to do, Charge magnets  
>>> all
>>> day long from 0 to full charge.
>> Why would it take "all day long" to charge a magnet?
>>> So to answer your question we don't
>>> need it so yes we can make do with the smaller ones. The one I use
>>> here is only 20# or so and does what I need. But I am going to get a
>>> somewhat larger one some day.
>> If the 20# charger does the job, why do you intend to get a larger  
>> one?
>>> I believe that the 450 pound brute may be to large for what most of
>>> us need by far.
>> Would it hurt (in any way) the magnets we use?
>>> And yes some one mentioned keeping away if you have a
>>> pace maker, I would highly recommend that, along with some of the
>>> other implanted electronic medical devices.
>>>
>>>                   TTYL,  Mark
>>        Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Apr  2 13:58:01 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:58:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
Message-ID: <860cf.7ee4ee7f.3ac8e7d9@aol.com>

Sure am glad I spotted the magnet charger.  Made a dead List come  alive!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr  2 14:03:34 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:03:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net>
	<468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com>
	<20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAAAA0AF-63B5-464B-AB67-5DCE7A3712A2@me.com>
	<20110402184942.B9F9B94D3@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<60625BA6-26F5-4101-A74C-8612F9E0567F@me.com>
Message-ID: <20110402210345.E1F7893E6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave,
  I do not know your chargers design and even if I did I do not have 
the detailed engineering knowledge to work it out. If you are having 
good success with it Its obviously getting close if not there on 
field saturation.
Maybe the beast thats on Ebay will do what we want maybe not. Looks 
very much like it will. But just because a machines a magnet charger 
does no necessarily mean its set up and designed to do what we are 
doing. I can not honestly answer that. The machines that was at 
Triplett was not easily adaptable to our purposes. So when they went 
out I never pursued acquiring one.  I took another look at the pics 
of the charger on Ebay and its design varies from  the one near me 
thats part of an actual Weidenhoff "Magneto" Test bench. But he also 
admits to doing a good bit of repairs or modifications to it. So that 
may be throwing me off and the fact that the other one is not in 
front of me to compare sure does not help matters any. CRS disease sure sucks.
  Sorry my terminology is not technically detailed I just have a 
working understanding of the basics learned from various sources 
through time. Built some motors and magnets when I was a kid. I paid 
real close attention to high school science and absorbed all I could 
there but since then its just reading what technical mumbo jumbo I 
can made heads or tails of. Theres a point in the every day world 
where jargon starts to get in the way of understanding for the common 
fellow like me. But it really helped when I started to work for the 
motor compressor shop here in town when I escaped school. Learned a 
lot from the old timers that was still around 30 years ago. They knew 
practical theory in laymans terms not detailed engineering theory. Or 
maybe they did and I just never realized it because they could 
explain in a language I could follow along on.  Hell I just hope I 
guess right half the time. Time for some Black Velvet.      Mark




At 03:40 PM 4/2/2011, you wrote:
>Thanks Mark! Was not yanking your chain at all! Your "understanding
>and observations" have helped my understanding a good bit! One
>additional question with which you may be able to help: Can you make a
>guess as to whether or not my 100# magnet charger brings the charge up
>to (aproximately) what you call "the point originally intended by the
>magneto manufacturer?" (I'm taking for granted that the 450# beast
>would do that--and perhaps more!)
>         Dave
>
>On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > Ok Evil one I thinks yer just yanking my chain but I'll play along.
> > This is going to stretch my understanding a bit but I will do the
> > best I can.
> >
> > #1 Full strength is relative, depends on what field saturation point
> > you need for the application. A 850 pound charger will provide a
> > stronger field, IF its design is in a proper balanced relationship to
> > Input voltage, coil design and core size. Designed wrong and no it
> > will not.  Many specifics left out.
> >
> > #2 Assembly line charging one item right after the other or in large
> > groups all at once, Is what I mean by working all day long. Some of
> > the magnet chargers that used to be at Triplett Corporation here in
> > Bluffton were brutes every bit as large as that Weidenoff and larger.
> > Table charges actually. They were used just to charge magnets that
> > you could hold in the palm of your hand. Input voltages adjustable to
> > suit the field saturation point needed. The magnets on average were
> > about the diameter of a snuff tin, with others the pee magnet as they
> > were nicknamed about 3/8" in diameter. Tripletts magnets used cobalt
> > cores and I think they took one hell of a field to get them to
> > specified field saturation. The magnets in the Triplett meters had to
> > be saturated to a certain strength for the meters. The meters have
> > adjustments to do final calibrations for balancing of the indicator
> > needle. But thats a different magnet then the ones we have on our
> > engines.
> >
> > #3 The small chargers you and I have will increase field saturation
> > some, enough to help but not bring it to the point originally
> > intended by the magneto manufacturer.
> >
> > #4 Not sure if we can over charge the magnets on the magnetos we work
> > with or if overcharging would hurt anything.  But they can be
> > undercharged and still run the engine relatively fine. Bench testing
> > the mag will reveal that output voltage is low compared to original
> > specifications. So the engine may not perform to full potential, just
> > not enough for us to notice on casual observation.
> >
> > All this to the best of my understanding and observation.
> >
> > Mark S.
> >
> >
> > At 06:40 PM 4/1/2011, you wrote:
> >> Hi Mark,
> >> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >>


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  2 17:19:09 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 01:19:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
Message-ID: <3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
> You have revived my senile memories and I have dug out the magnetiser I
> built 30+ years ago.
> I wound the magnet myself with about 50 turns of very heavy windings.
> To get the very high magnetic field I used a 50 volt transformer and a
> rectifier to give me a 50 volt
> DC supply with which I slowly charged a very large capacitor. (100,000
> Microfarad).
> I then discharged this with a Thyristor triggered with a button. Every 
> thing
> metalic turned to the device!
> Very short but the effect worked well.
> I have dug it out and pictures are at
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/579990241sMmfWY
> Best Regards.
> Dave Croft.
 I thought some else might have tried re-magnetising using a single large 
pulse
from a very large capacitor.
It seems not and I wonder why?
If anyone has any memories on this subject I would like to know.
Best Regards,
Dave Croft
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From oilengine at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  2 19:33:39 2011
From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Meeting last night (OFES)
Message-ID: <C53DDBCC5F704ECC9B604030FCEA7717@FarmerPC>

Well another OFES dinner has passed and I think a good time was had by all. Please join me in congratulating this years Honoree, Kyle Blankenship, and our new Grand Master this year, Richard Dingman. Thanks to all those who donated door prizes, Gene Goodwin was the lucky winner of the yellowdog lamp. We appreciate all who attended.
R. Farmer
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 22:46:15 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 22:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
	<3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
Message-ID: <658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dave-san, Bill Young here ( Japan )
?? I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective.?( It 
magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop.?) The local power company was 
renewing? 3 phase?? step-down transformers that?had been ?serving small 
neighborhoods.? I bought one for about $50.?With canister and oil ( bad stuff ) 
it weighed over 100kg.? I took out coils and core and let drain and dry for 
about a year.? I had to replace original laminated toroid core with "U" shaped 
core.?
Then,?I got all all coils on one side ( both primary and secondary windings ) 
pumping North, and on the other side pumping South.? Next, I bought two heavy 
duty 12v truck batteries, hooked them in series, through a knife switch to the 
charger.? No idea the current thru the coils but it must have looked like a 
direct short to the batteries.? All of the near-by tools stood at wedding 
attention?during the three two-second jolts that were applied.
??? At that time I did not have a Gauss meter but had made what I dubbed as my 
Gauss Quantifier.? It was a notched lever arm that?was hooked to armature of EK 
that??had been?charged.??The farther out on the arm a given weight could be 
suspended before pulling armature away from EK magnet, the better the 
re-magnetizing job.
? My charger was a bit expensive but after a number of years usage, another EK 
nut bought it for what I had in it.? Bill
P.S.? Where is Warrington?
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp 


________________________________


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  2 23:26:12 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:26:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com><A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus><3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
	<658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4FEC1EEFDE54647A3CDAC2ADA1C667E@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger


Dave-san, Bill Young here ( Japan )
I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective. ( It
magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop. ) The local power company was
renewing 3 phase step-down transformers that had been serving small
neighborhoods. I bought one for about $50. With canister and oil ( bad 
stuff )
it weighed over 100kg. I took out coils and core and let drain and dry for
about a year. I had to replace original laminated toroid core with "U" 
shaped
core.
Then, I got all all coils on one side ( both primary and secondary 
windings )
pumping North, and on the other side pumping South. Next, I bought two heavy
duty 12v truck batteries, hooked them in series, through a knife switch to 
the
charger. No idea the current thru the coils but it must have looked like a
direct short to the batteries. All of the near-by tools stood at wedding
attention during the three two-second jolts that were applied.
At that time I did not have a Gauss meter but had made what I dubbed as my
Gauss Quantifier. It was a notched lever arm that was hooked to armature of 
EK
that had been charged. The farther out on the arm a given weight could be
suspended before pulling armature away from EK magnet, the better the
re-magnetizing job.
My charger was a bit expensive but after a number of years usage, another EK
nut bought it for what I had in it. Bill
P.S. Where is Warrington?
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp


Thanks for that Bill.It has always seem to work OK for me!
Warrington is half way between Liverpool and Manchester in
the North west of England.
If you have Google Earth look for "Warrington WA5 1PY UK"
to find my address. I couldn't manage nowadays without Google Earth!
My deepest sympathy to everyone in Japan!
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 05:23:51 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:23:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] magneto charger/Famous engine
Message-ID: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>

Any one win the magnet charger or the 1904 tray Famous?
 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_
W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_t
rkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D814733
4759352155164_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZ
p4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo=PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147334759352
155164) 


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr  4 10:07:19 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:07:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] magneto charger/Famous engine
In-Reply-To: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>
References: <37cad.500c678c.3acb1257@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F5359C5E-5A39-43E2-B897-D39DE02A5B6F@me.com>

I was VERY interested in the magnet charger and had a snipe in for  
$769.00 (it went for $700.00) until about a half hour before the  
auction ended. At that point I finally realized that I would probably  
never use the thing AND that it would cost me about $300.00 to drive  
to MD to pick it up. One person's comment to me off List the the  
effect that his big charger is used about twice a year and really in  
the way in his shop was the straw that finally "broke the cammels  
back!" I hope whoever won it uses it and enjoys owning the beast!
	Dave
PS, Thanks to all who answered my questions about the charger BOTH on  
and off List. I appreciated your help re: understanding magnet  
chargers and what this one was probably worth!

On Apr 4, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Any one win the magnet charger or the 1904 tray Famous?
>
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_
> W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340 
> .m1374QQ_t
> rkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid 
> %3D814733
> 4759352155164_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/IHC-4-HP-Tray-Cooled-Famous-Hit-Miss-1906-Early-Engine_W0QQitemZ220761037827QQcategoryZ63945QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZ
> p4340 
> .m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo 
> =PI&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8147334759352
> 155164)
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From eric at facspro.com  Mon Apr  4 12:21:50 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:21:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
Message-ID: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>

Greetings List Members,

My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past few months.
I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by them for years.
My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set up to fire.
It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it originally came if possible.

Thanks,

Eric 

From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr  4 14:46:32 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <035f191d162ca41e271d88b5064e2c66.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>

Hi Eric and Son,
On the spark plug Deere there are two contacts. One a stationary insulated
point on an arm that bolts on where the magneto normally would. Then
theres one on the push rod positioned so that when the push rod pulls back
it contacts the stationary point conpleting the ground circuit.  So run
your ground from the battery to the engine frame. Then the positive to the
buzz coil. Then off the ground connection or neg terminal of the coil run
a wire to the insulated point. When the points come todgether the coil
will have power. Hook a plug wire to the coil then. There was some one a
while back reproing the parts, will hook you up if you need parts.    Mark

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past
> few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by
> them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I
> recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set
> up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find
> info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on
> it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have
> purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern
> battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how
> it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components
> required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure
> that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the
> correct fashion as it originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr  4 15:08:55 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:08:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>

Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm 
   I think that may help!
	Dave

On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for  
> the past few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been  
> intrigued by them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago  
> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs  
> set up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to  
> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and  
> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I  
> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a  
> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of  
> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the  
> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to  
> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig  
> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it  
> originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Apr  4 17:52:28 2011
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 00:52:28 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Question
Message-ID: <20110404.205228.23955.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Eric,
I would love to try & show you how to hook up a battery & coil but it would get too complicated for me over the email.
I read a response you got from Frappi and it sounds to be as good as it gets.
If you can't figure it out - Take the engine to an engine show and ask a few engine guys.
They will bend over backwards to get it going.
Good Luck.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/     Life can be dangerous to your health -
(_0_)        especially in large doses. (Andy Rooney)   
 

                                



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Eric Walter" <eric at facspro.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Question
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:21:50 -0500

Greetings List Members,

My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for the past few months.
I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been intrigued by them for years.
My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs set up to fire.
It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it originally came if possible.

Thanks,

Eric 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr  5 06:25:49 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 06:25:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] WOW-magneto charger
In-Reply-To: <658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4D9607DC.4040201@comcast.net><468DDFFC-BE82-4FE2-8195-1C8A1134C533@me.com><20110401201336.76820952B@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A3784E41DBD84243BBED0B5B6541B491@morpheus>
	<3CC56F4673F5432F9AE0CADAC10530B4@morpheus>
	<658475.83072.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8078B032-4065-4591-8F61-C389458526E6@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:46 PM, William Young wrote:
>    I, too, kluged up a magnet charger which was also very effective. ( It 
> magnetized almost every iron tool in the shop. ) 


Hey, Young-san.
Ohio Goose Eye Mouse. Kelley and I were just chatting about you. There's a wooden box sitting on the welding table that contains two Webster magnetos. The dust on it is pretty thick, indicating it's been there a while.

Rob






From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Apr  5 09:06:21 2011
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:06:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
Message-ID: <9BC596EB1B574F1AB03AF32345C2BE9B@YOURA8CFD79427>

Hey Dave,
I'm suprised you can actually be nice once in awhile...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question


Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try 
http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
   I think that may help!
Dave

On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:

> Greetings List Members,
>
> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
> the past few months.
> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
> intrigued by them for years.
> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
> set up to fire.
> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
> originally came if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Apr  5 11:10:42 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:10:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
Message-ID: <3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>

Hey guys where has the old Dave actually gone, he must have turned over a 
new leaf!!

Cheers, Craig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question


> Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try 
> http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
>   I think that may help!
> Dave
>
> On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:
>
>> Greetings List Members,
>>
>> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
>> the past few months.
>> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
>> intrigued by them for years.
>> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
>> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
>> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
>> set up to fire.
>> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
>> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
>> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
>> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
>> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
>> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
>> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
>> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
>> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
>> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
>> originally came if possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr  5 11:30:08 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:30:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<AF863289-F1C9-49DE-8A50-514904FD966F@me.com>
	<3FF2C1A2F88A41ABBCD9B2070A61AC6C@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <b50a6d35b496d78df46de50f78b795b8.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

He drank the kool-aid.....

(actually, he's always been nice to me...........)

> Hey guys where has the old Dave actually gone, he must have turned over a
> new leaf!!
>
> Cheers, Craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Question
>
>
>> Hi Eric, Welcome to the List and the hobby! Try
>> http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm
>>   I think that may help!
>> Dave
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Eric Walter wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings List Members,
>>>
>>> My name is Eric Walter and I have been lurking about the list for
>>> the past few months.
>>> I am new to the stationary engine world although I have been
>>> intrigued by them for years.
>>> My son and I started collecting John Deere tractors about a year ago
>>> and I recently acquired a John Deere Model E engine.
>>> I have spent the last couple weeks trying to figure out how it needs
>>> set up to fire.
>>> It is a sparkplug model without a magneto so I have been trying to
>>> find info on how a coil and battery might have been hooked up and
>>> utilized on it. So far I haven't had much luck.
>>> If anyone can shed some light on it for me I would appreciate it. I
>>> have purchased an old "Buzz coil" and am going to build a box for a
>>> 6v lantern battery as it's power source. I understand the theory of
>>> operation and how it needs wired but what I cannot find is the
>>> actual mechanical components required and how to mount them to
>>> complete the firing circuit. I'm sure that I could jerry rig
>>> something up but I would like it to be in the correct fashion as it
>>> originally came if possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric
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From eric at facspro.com  Tue Apr  5 13:16:45 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:16:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <34307253679743C2834075ED570A6936@Office>

Bill, Mark, Dave et al,

Thanks for the welcome and info.
 Dave - I've been to the link that you provided and understood the schematic 
but for some reason I couldn't "visualize" the physical placement of 
components necessary to make it work.

Mark - It took your description for it to finally click. I was then able to 
understand the parts manual a little better and find the brackets and points 
for the stationary timer and movable timer. Unfortunately now I think I have 
a hybridized engine or.....
was there 3 versions of the Type E? Igniter/Magneto, Sparkplug/Magneto and 
Sparkplug/Coil?
The reason I ask is while deciphering the JD parts manual, it appears that I 
have the incorrect crank case cover for a Sparkplug/coil setup.  I have 
cover with casting# E60R which has the cutout area where the mag and gear 
assembly attaches. It looks as if someone has fabricated an opening cover 
that bolts in place where the mag should bolt on. I think I should have part 
# AE117RT cast# E33R as my crankcase cover.

Bill - Any pictures of the D? What year is it? Jacob(my son) and I have a 
variety of A's and B's in various stages of disrepair being restored or 
waiting to be restored.The list includes:
    Jacob's -- 1937 Unstyled B on Steel(restored), 1941 Styled B (needs 
restored), 1944 Styled B(restored), 1947 Styled B(needs restored), 1940 
Styled A(needs restored), Model 227 TwoRow Corn Picker(needs restored), and 
a Stationary Hay Press (model and year unknown) we think a Model 14 but we 
still need to get to Oklahoma to pick it up.
   Eric's -- 1941 Styled A(needs restored), 1944 Styled A(in process), 1944 
Slant Dash A (runs but needs restored), 1927 Type E Engine(needs restored)
There are other miscellaneous implements that we have between us that we 
have dug out of the treeline or picked up for cheap at auction. As you can 
see by the lists, Jacob (16yrs) is the more avid collector of the two of us.
As for my location--- I'd venture a guess that you have me in the NW, say 
the Seattle area. That would be someone else, I'm about 1500 miles SE of 
there. Central Nebraska, and the only initials that have ever followed my 
name have been p.i.t.a.!!

I'm sure I've missed addressing something or someone but I'm sure I'll have 
that chance in the future.
And I apologize for the long winded response.

Thanks again and I look forward to learning from this list.

Eric Walter




From eric at facspro.com  Tue Apr  5 13:21:43 2011
From: eric at facspro.com (Eric Walter)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:21:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
Message-ID: <D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>

Oh, I almost forgot--
Just this past weekend Jacob acquired a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z 1 1/2HP 
engine. Knowing where it came from I'd lay 10:1 odds that all he's going to 
have to do is clean up the mag, add fuel and oil and fire it up. I think 
he's going to struggle with the fact that it's not "Green" but I'm sure 
he'll get over it.

Eric 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Apr  6 04:24:30 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:24:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W123046034005CAEE525B70E7BC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
 
If you are interested please let us know.
 
Have a great day,
Peg

 
  		 	   		  
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 05:12:06 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.? Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.? wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm 
and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are interested please let us know.

Have a great day,
Peg


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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Apr  6 05:31:03 2011
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
Message-ID: <9a7b4.4abc2134.3acdb707@aol.com>

Don't forget about he alternate option of a  bushel of brown  corn cobs and 
a white corn cob attached to a string secured to  the wall.
 
 
In a message dated 4/6/2011 8:17:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wmlyoung at yahoo.com writes:

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just  two 
thirds of a 
complete system.  Go ahead and give him the requisite  Sears Catalog.  
Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were  complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.   wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From:  "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email  discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6,  2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill  your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use 
right  
now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good  neighbor 
gave it 
to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole  and put her in place.  
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the  longer it will last.  Only 
upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to  combat any odors.  Just come on up to 
my farm 
and back up to it and  we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it 
right 
up on your  pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William  J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL"  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011  4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a  toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an  engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are  interested please let us know.

Have a great  day,
Peg



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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 07:05:47 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:05:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question
In-Reply-To: <D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>
References: <DFEB814FDECB4D44BFC8B57DB7EE7934@Office>
	<D9916D7BB2F247DFA48B28C66FDB3B02@Office>
Message-ID: <4D9C733B.80104@accnorwalk.com>

Eric, If it has a mag and is throttle governed, it should be green!! Doug T


Eric Walter wrote:
> Oh, I almost forgot--
> Just this past weekend Jacob acquired a Fairbanks-Morse Type Z 1 1/2HP 
> engine. Knowing where it came from I'd lay 10:1 odds that all he's going to 
> have to do is clean up the mag, add fuel and oil and fire it up. I think 
> he's going to struggle with the fact that it's not "Green" but I'm sure 
> he'll get over it.
>
> Eric 
>
>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr  6 07:47:47 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:47:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

That reminds me of a farm auction I attended.  The runner hands the seat board for a
two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
crowd.  "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
it."  He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel.  Gimmie a $10 bill and
go..."

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  Depending on how
> deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep required is regular
> use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:12:22 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:12:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OPOC engine
Message-ID: <5B91663A7109421BA32DEBE4BB503B09@Arthurhplaptop>

http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder














Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com 


From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:36:22 2011
From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:36:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 		 	   		  

From jneth3 at mac.com  Wed Apr  6 17:21:24 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:21:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>

High School?

get one of the textbooks that are titled "Conceptional Physics"

Below from Amazon.    High School Physics hasn't changed for a hundred years so no need to by an new recent edition.

If you have specific questions send them to me off list and I'll try to help.  (Taught High School Physics in a former life.)  But I have never had calculus so I just do problems with algebra.   yea for F=MA.



"Conceptual Physics: The High School Physics Program by Paul G. Hewitt (Jan 31, 2005)

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On Apr 06, 2011, at 05:36 PM, Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> OT:
>
>
>
> I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
> Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening.
> She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")
>
>
> All help will be much appreciated,
> Devin Holland
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 18:09:54 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:09:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>

I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.

Paul in San Fran

PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 18:26:00 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:26:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik8SSHhhc7o7amZMcD7C+W6wEEOrw@mail.gmail.com>

Devin:

You may have me going back to school! I just went to YouTube, entered
'Physics' and found a few videos of basic physics lectures from Stanford and
Berkeley.

Paul in California


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 18:30:02 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Devin:? You ask us for OT physics help and have given us your OT? address.? I'm 
guessing you will receive many responses.?
? A "Good Teacher" is not the teacher who reads the text book for you. AFTER you 
have read, re-read and studied the text, a Good Teacher will help YOU learn to 
use the formulas you have studied, memorized, understood and can use.
? I'm going to pronounce, spell, and again pronounce he word "Physics" for you.? 
OK?? Remember: Pronounce, spell, pronounce.? Got it"? Here we go"
PHYSICS? -- "M A T H E M A T I C S"?-- PHYSICS.? Did you really know how to 
spell " Physics"?
We notice that you say nothing of your text book, your reading skills ( nor the 
amount of time you spend there in )?nor your math skills.?
??? Tell us about yourself, your CV.? I am guessing that you will receive many 
responses and offers of help.? I doubt that there will be many volunteers to 
study the text for you.? 

? Remember the words of the great patriarch who once said: "Good students are 
always most welcome, but sometimes pretty scarce."?????? Bill?



________________________________

From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 6:36:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help




All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? 
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OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually 
happening. WHAT? NO TEXT BOOK?? THAT'S WHAT TEXTS ARE FOR.? IF YOU HAVE ONE, 
GIVE US NAME AND AUTHOR
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")

From mullt at att.net  Wed Apr  6 18:43:41 2011
From: mullt at att.net (Thomas Mull)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

First of all, I am an engineer with a lot of experience with physics. I would be happy to try and answer any of your questions I can.

You might try to see if there is a Physics for Dummies book available. It might puts things in a little more practical way.

Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple high school science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science, the more it becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a math refresher course before attempting physics.

Tom in St. Louis

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 4:36 PM


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From bakermonitortest at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  6 19:15:24 2011
From: bakermonitortest at hotmail.com (Devin Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:15:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>,
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>,
	<800752.71824.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT137-w11B9B4E8EDDA5E15F5C5FFCAA40@phx.gbl>


Bill the section were in now has 5 paragraphs of information a one page long sample problem and 6 pages of questions. I have read it at least 6 times and the relating chapters as well. As to the 3 different textbooks on my table i have done the same in all of them. What i need is someone who knows whats happening and can relate the "M A T H E M A T I C S" to how much energy it would take to throw my text book to Japan so u can see it.
?????????????????????????????

Thank you.

> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:30:02 -0700
> From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> Devin:  You ask us for OT physics help and have given us your OT  address.  I'm 
> guessing you will receive many responses. 
>   A "Good Teacher" is not the teacher who reads the text book for you. AFTER you 
> have read, re-read and studied the text, a Good Teacher will help YOU learn to 
> use the formulas you have studied, memorized, understood and can use.
>   I'm going to pronounce, spell, and again pronounce he word "Physics" for you.  
> OK?  Remember: Pronounce, spell, pronounce.  Got it"  Here we go"
> PHYSICS  -- "M A T H E M A T I C S" -- PHYSICS.  Did you really know how to 
> spell " Physics"?
> We notice that you say nothing of your text book, your reading skills ( nor the 
> amount of time you spend there in ) nor your math skills. 
>     Tell us about yourself, your CV.  I am guessing that you will receive many 
> responses and offers of help.  I doubt that there will be many volunteers to 
> study the text for you.  
> 
>   Remember the words of the great patriarch who once said: "Good students are 
> always most welcome, but sometimes pretty scarce."       Bill 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Devin Holland <bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 6:36:22 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> 
> 
> 
> All help will be much appreciated, 
> Devin Holland
>                         
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> OT:
> 
> 
> 
> I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
> Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually 
> happening. WHAT? NO TEXT BOOK?  THAT'S WHAT TEXTS ARE FOR.  IF YOU HAVE ONE, 
> GIVE US NAME AND AUTHOR
> She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 19:29:22 2011
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Paul, et al
(1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
list.? If you agree how can we? accomplish?
(2)? I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
classes.? During that time I learned?that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
he didn't want to learn.? I could, however, assist students who did want to 
learn.?
Good teacher? Bad teacher?? What meaning?? In high schools which allow students 
to select their instructors, ??Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.? Which is the good teacher, A? or? 
B?? Before you decide,?you might wish to get a few more details.?ALL of B's 
students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
?? Teachers who can't teach?? Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
?(3) ?Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
Arnie? Rob???Lads? Down Under?? Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
for this discussion to continue, if? there is a need??? Bill
wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help

I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.

Paul in San Fran

PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Apr  6 19:49:58 2011
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2656.1060506@coastalnet.com>

Guys,

I can set up a mailing list in a few minutes if that is what you all want.
Just can't tolerate large files since it adds up to my meager allotment,
otherwise no problem.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or 
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>     Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>   (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns<enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Apr  6 19:54:46 2011
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:54:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2776.1030208@coastalnet.com>

Actually, I forgot I already have an off-topic list.  Several of you are already
subbed.  To subscribe, just go to:

http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic

Take care.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or 
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>     Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>   (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 20:23:44 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>

Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T




William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>    Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>  (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  6 20:23:44 2011
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>

Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T




William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>    Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>  (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
>
>   


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Apr  7 05:47:52 2011
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:47:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>
References: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<75ca0a52-1096-c53d-aec7-8ec4dc05fcb5@me.com>
	<BANLkTimGGaVw+1o5G8FnJ+vO6PMB4hrCTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<298506.94403.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4D9D2E40.9080602@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <056E695D-584E-448E-821B-D37F36C51D2B@atis.net>

Don't forget the SEL bulletin board at:


http://www.atis.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-SEL-General-Stationary-Engine-Discussion-Forum

Great way to share multimedia, such as diagrams, scans of equations, etc.  I can set up an off-topic forum, but it isn't used much so for now it should be fine to just use this one.

Good luck Devin.

Personal note:   I _really_ struggled with calculus until I took physics.  Then calculus made sense because physics explained why it was useful.  Take a deep breath and remember:  we speak English - mother nature speaks math.  When she speaks of force and movement her dialect is algebra and trig, but when she explains how she changes, the dialect is calculus.  When that makes sense, physics will make sense.  It also explains why understanding math on an intuitive level is important and why young folks, who don't have a lot of math experience, struggle.

Spencer

PS:  Thanks again for all the help on the engine at Portland

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2011, at 23:23, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:

> Bill san, that is exactly why this list was created! For off topic 
> STUFF!!!!!!       slick at toltbbs.com  Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William Young wrote:
>> Paul, et al
>> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion 
>> list.  If you agree how can we  accomplish?
>> (2)  I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics 
>> classes.  During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if 
>> he didn't want to learn.  I could, however, assist students who did want to 
>> learn. 
>> Good teacher? Bad teacher?  What meaning?  In high schools which allow students 
>> to select their instructors,   Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class 
>> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.  Which is the good teacher, A  or  
>> B?  Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's 
>> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>>  Teachers who can't teach?  Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are 
>> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>> (3)  Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave? 
>> Arnie? Rob?  Lads  Down Under?  Can one of you computer literates set up a site 
>> for this discussion to continue, if  there is a need?   Bill
>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: P. Johns <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>> 
>> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
>> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
>> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>> 
>> Paul in San Fran
>> 
>> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  7 06:03:43 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:03:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
Message-ID: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>

Hi All

Can anyone in Oz give me a production date of this engine please.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From obise at moscow.com  Thu Apr  7 08:49:54 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:49:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>

Devin --
	I wish I could sit down with you one-on-one; but, the miles are too
long and too many.  
	In physics, formulas are everything.  A person gets nowhere if they
try to apply logic or reasoning to solving problems.  That was my main
problem. 
	In my first try at college physics the instructor was a brain-dead
graduate student.  He was, by far, the worst instructor I've known in all my
72-years,  
	I dropped out of the class and waited until the next semester.  The
instructor made everything crystal clear: plug the numbers into the
formulas.  I "aced" every test.  
	You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:

Instead of putting a naked "32" into a formula, do it this way:

32-feet/sec/sec

Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:

      32-feet
-----------------
         sec
         -----
         sec

Then, be sure you treat those words in exactly the same way that you would
use numbers in arithmetic or letters in algebra.  If you do this,
diligently, problems solve themselves.  

In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
Inverting and multiplying results in:  

32-feet-second
--------------------
         sec

It is called "unit analysis."  If you become proficient with it you will ace
every science course you take.  Science consists of definitions and
formulae.  If you adhere to them, it is a snap!  If you abandon the words
and try to solve problems with only the numbers, you're screwed.  

If "unit analysis" is new to you, let me illustrate with a problem that I'd
give my kids when they were in school.  We'd fill up at the gas station and
as a practical exercise I'd have them calculate the mileage.  

Their first question was, "Dad, do I divide the miles into the gallons or
the gallons into the miles."

Had they used unit analysis they would have answered their own question.
What are the units we want to find in the answer?  Well, they are:

Miles
-------
Gallon

There is only one way to get those units and that is to take the data and
set it up this way:

300 miles
-------------
15 gallons

Obviously, to come up with the correct units there is no other way the
problem can be solved.  Physics problems are solved in exactly the same way.
Work with the units and the problems solve themselves.

Good luck, Devin!

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Devin Holland
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:36 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help


OT:



I am in desperate need of a Physics tutor.
Got the lucky straw of a teacher who will not explain what is actually
happening. 
She will only give us formulas and sample problems (her form of "teaching")


All help will be much appreciated, 
Devin Holland
 		 	   		  
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr  7 09:10:33 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:10:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I took many courses
in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you really don't
LEARN that material until you take your various physics and engineering courses and
need to apply it.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple high school
> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science, the more it
> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a math refresher
> course before attempting physics.




From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr  7 09:34:12 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:34:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>

While I would concur that mathematics IS a rough approximation of the  
"real world", we must always remember that the basis of mathematics is  
the line. Further that a line is made up of a series of points.  
Remembering that a "point" has neither width nor breath nor depth this  
means that mathematicians spend a large amount of their time thinking  
about NOTHINGNESS. This (i.e. thinking about NOTHINGNESS) leads  
(necessarily) to a decline in mental capacity!
	Dave

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Tom,
>
> That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I  
> took many courses
> in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you  
> really don't
> LEARN that material until you take your various physics and  
> engineering courses and
> need to apply it.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
>> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple  
>> high school
>> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science,  
>> the more it
>> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a  
>> math refresher
>> course before attempting physics.


From maytagtwin at aol.com  Thu Apr  7 10:06:41 2011
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>
References: <867145.81870.qm@web180306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><42d5becb52b4cba12811d0e03a25d45f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<81D6EE3A-3B2D-4B77-96A4-4A6F228A1AB7@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CDC35D46DC4261-1874-D7C5@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>


Hi Dave,
You are so right!  Furthermore, should said mathematician focus on that point called "zero" and even, heavens forbid, explore negative numbers, his mental capacity can be sucked up by the vacuum, not a pretty sight.

If the mathematics student manages to survive the course, and if he really fails to understand all this "line" and "point" business it doesn't mean he cannon have a successful career in poitics, or even mortgage banking.  

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri, USA 






-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help


While I would concur that mathematics IS a rough approximation of the  
real world", we must always remember that the basis of mathematics is  
he line. Further that a line is made up of a series of points.  
emembering that a "point" has neither width nor breath nor depth this  
eans that mathematicians spend a large amount of their time thinking  
bout NOTHINGNESS. This (i.e. thinking about NOTHINGNESS) leads  
necessarily) to a decline in mental capacity!
   Dave
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Tom,

 That is so true.  In the course of earning a BS ME and an MS NE I  
 took many courses
 in calculus, differential equations, and advanced calculus.  But you  
 really don't
 LEARN that material until you take your various physics and  
 engineering courses and
 need to apply it.

 See ya,  Arnie

 On Wed, April 6, 2011 9:43 pm, Thomas Mull wrote:
> Unfortunately, you will find that all of the sciences beyond simple  
> high school
> science is mostly math. The farther you go in the study of science,  
> the more it
> becomes nothing but applied mathematics. You might want to take a  
> math refresher
> course before attempting physics.
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From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Apr  7 13:02:15 2011
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:02:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <994878157.8914711302089070307.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>,
	<a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W18C08DE33FDBAE0DF36708E7A40@phx.gbl>


You guys are sooooo funny!
Peg
 
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:47:47 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Curt,
> 
> That reminds me of a farm auction I attended. The runner hands the seat board for a
> two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
> crowd. "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
> it." He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel. Gimmie a $10 bill and
> go..."
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> > Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> > Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> > All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place. Depending on how
> > deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last. Only upkeep required is regular
> > use of lime to combat any odors. Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> > we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.
> 
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  7 15:20:30 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:20:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
In-Reply-To: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
References: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <17F312112CEF4E6EB5F23FF2FDB95F01@KerryPC>

Peter have you looked at the date on the Lucas maggy, gives you an 
approximate year to start with (if the maggy has not been changed)
Check out a 1935 unit with number at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/AEPhotos/Kelly&LewisDA.JPG
Kerry


> Hi All
>
> Can anyone in Oz give me a production date of this engine please.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Fri Apr  8 02:42:55 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:42:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis - Mark IV D-A
In-Reply-To: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
References: <330FF2FEF11B4F50B180484D794D2CB4@PeterPC>
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>From what I have read, they were made between 1940 and 1952. These dates were taken from production records.

Eric


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  8 06:37:52 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:37:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
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	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
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On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:

> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:


Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean, that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 

Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to them until they properly construct the equation. 

Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've done a good job.





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:27:19 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

So true, Bill-San,
?
Up until 1965 when we went to Missouri five to seven times per year to visit Grandma down in the holler on the farm where my Mom grew up all they had was a one-holer next to the creek.
What I noticed was every time we showed up there always?was a brand new fresh roll of TP in the outhouse on the peg.
AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
?
I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan
?

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:12 AM


Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.? Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.? wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm 
and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
up on your pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are interested please let us know.

Have a great day,
Peg


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:31:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <9a7b4.4abc2134.3acdb707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <580754.84498.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Who do you know that did that?
According to Mom all they did with corn cobs is burn them in the cook stove in the hot Summer weather.
A quick fire to cook with that will go out fast so the house does not get so hot.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, MBellar at aol.com <MBellar at aol.com> wrote:


From: MBellar at aol.com <MBellar at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:31 AM


Don't forget about he alternate option of a? bushel of brown? corn cobs and 
a white corn cob attached to a string secured to? the wall.


In a message dated 4/6/2011 8:17:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
wmlyoung at yahoo.com writes:

Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just? two 
thirds of a 
complete system.? Go ahead and give him the requisite? Sears Catalog.? 
Monkey 
Ward acceptable, although there were? complaints of too many slick pages.

Bill, in Tako.???wmlyoung at yahoo.com




________________________________
From:? "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email? discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6,? 2011 8:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hey Bill? your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use 
right? 
now.? Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good? neighbor 
gave it 
to us.? All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole? and put her in place.? 
Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the? longer it will last.? Only 
upkeep 
required is regular use of lime to? combat any odors.? Just come on up to 
my farm 
and back up to it and? we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it 
right 
up on your? pit.
Let me know!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William? J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL"? <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011? 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a? toy


The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an? engine!

200592591309 here is the eBay listing.

If you are? interested please let us know.

Have a great? day,
Peg



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:34:30 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <a0ff2a7fbad46e47bfa3f9a8880c6b59.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <750536.63697.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

They make a lovely picture frame.
I wish I had one to display.
Where I grew up there was a three-holer seat board but it is long gone now.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:47 AM


Curt,

That reminds me of a farm auction I attended.? The runner hands the seat board for a
two-holer to the auctioneer, who looks at it for a while then looks out to the
crowd.? "I always wondered if I'd ever have to sell one of these what I'd say about
it."? He ran his hand around the holes and said, "Nice bevel.? Gimmie a $10 bill and
go..."

See ya,? Arnie

On Wed, April 6, 2011 7:24 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right now.
> Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it to us.
> All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.? Depending on how
> deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.? Only upkeep required is regular
> use of lime to combat any odors.? Just come on up to my farm and back up to it and
> we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right up on your pit.


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:44:09 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
In-Reply-To: <4D9D2656.1060506@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <855749.88532.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Go here and set up a free discussion group.
Then post the URL here so anyone interested can go watch or be a part of it.
http://www.quicktopic.com/
?
Alan in Michigan
?
?
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Ken Christison <christison at coastalnet.com> wrote:


From: Ken Christison <christison at coastalnet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:49 PM


Guys,

I can set up a mailing list in a few minutes if that is what you all want.
Just can't tolerate large files since it adds up to my meager allotment,
otherwise no problem.

Ken

On 4/6/2011 10:29 PM, William Young wrote:
> Paul, et al
> (1) I suggest that this thread would be more appropriate off SEL discussion
> list.? If you agree how can we? accomplish?
> (2)? I did my twenty years and 15 minutes in high school math and physics
> classes.? During that time I learned that I couldn't teach nobody nothin' -- if
> he didn't want to learn.? I could, however, assist students who did want to
> learn. 
> Good teacher? Bad teacher?? What meaning?? In high schools which allow students
> to select their instructors,???Teacher A always has a full, overcrowded class
> room. Teacher B always has many empty seats.? Which is the good teacher, A? or 
> B?? Before you decide, you might wish to get a few more details. ALL of B's
> students passed the State Proficiency Tests; many ( most?) of A's did not.
>? ???Teachers who can't teach?? Yes, sadly, the profession is full of us; we are
> not allowed to do what is necessary to do to teach effectively.
>???(3)? Again, I suggest that this thread is not what SEL is all about. Dave?
> Arnie? Rob?? Lads? Down Under?? Can one of you computer literates set up a site
> for this discussion to continue, if? there is a need????Bill
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:09:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
>
> I think Hewitt was a teacher at San Francisco City College. Did a quick
> Google without the results I wanted; he made a TV course on conceptual
> physics that may be available on line somewhere and should be very helpful.
>
> Paul in San Fran
>
> PS: If a teacher can't teach, why do we call them teachers?
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From jneth3 at mac.com  Fri Apr  8 21:55:05 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:55:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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The house we live in now had no indoor plumbing or electricity until 1980  when my father bought it from a 96 year old lady.  We still have the two seater down the path.  I think the last real use was around '95 when a winter storm took out power for over a week.  Real handy to have as a back up but chilly.

John in upper east TN.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So true, Bill-San,
>  
> Up until 1965 when we went to Missouri five to seven times per year to visit Grandma down in the holler on the farm where my Mom grew up all they had was a one-holer next to the creek.
> What I noticed was every time we showed up there always was a brand new fresh roll of TP in the outhouse on the peg.
> AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
> In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
>  
> I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
> Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the outhouse.
> About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up while you did your job.
> 
> Alan in Michigan
>  
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/6/11, William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:12 AM
> 
> 
> Curt-san, The two-holer and the hole in the ground comprise just two thirds of a 
> complete system.  Go ahead and give him the requisite Sears Catalog.  Monkey 
> Ward acceptable, although there were complaints of too many slick pages.
> 
> Bill, in Tako.  wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:24:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> Hey Bill your welcome to borrow are "old two holer" which is not in use right 
> now.  Many years ago when we had our septic system fail a good neighbor gave it 
> to us.  All you have to do buddy is dig a deep hole and put her in place.  
> Depending on how deep you dig the the pit the longer it will last.  Only upkeep 
> required is regular use of lime to combat any odors.  Just come on up to my farm 
> and back up to it and we can tilt it right on to your truck, then set it right 
> up on your pit.
> Let me know!
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:50:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
> 
> 
> The septic system needs repair and Bill is selling an engine!
> 
> 200592591309 here is the eBay listing.
> 
> If you are interested please let us know.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Peg
> 
> 
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From obise at moscow.com  Sat Apr  9 07:44:30 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 07:44:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.
?
I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan
?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock. 

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.  

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr  9 09:20:13 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:20:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Orrin,

You are SOOOO right about "the good old days."  One of my favorite books is titled
just that.  It's an amazing read.  It's also amazing that so many actually survived
"the good old days."
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-They-Were-Terrible/dp/0394709411

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, April 9, 2011 10:44 am, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
> worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
> old days are right here and now.
>
> Orrin




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  9 09:52:17 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:52:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
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Message-ID: <2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>

Look at the way our cultures values have changed since the 40's. I DID  
grow up in "the good old days!"
	Dave

On Apr 9, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Orrin,
>
> You are SOOOO right about "the good old days."  One of my favorite  
> books is titled
> just that.  It's an amazing read.  It's also amazing that so many  
> actually survived
> "the good old days."
> http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-They-Were-Terrible/dp/0394709411
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 9, 2011 10:44 am, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that  
>> good.  We
>> worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.   
>> The good
>> old days are right here and now.
>>
>> Orrin
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr  9 09:58:49 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:58:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302364801.4945.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20110409185612.02004c20@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2011, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
>
>They make a lovely picture frame.
><snip>
>Alan in Michigan

Alan,
         Surely you could find a better frame for Obama and Pelosi's 
pictures ! :-)
Jerry




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  9 10:46:05 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:46:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>

Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until 
about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 11:34:59 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20110409185612.02004c20@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <548346.90412.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

After the nightmare we have been going through why would I want a picture of either of them???????
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Now two holers
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 12:58 PM


At 06:00 PM 09/04/2011, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
>
>They make a lovely picture frame.
><snip>
>Alan in Michigan

Alan,
? ? ? ???Surely you could find a better frame for Obama and Pelosi's 
pictures ! :-)
Jerry


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 11:47:55 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
Message-ID: <534456.4770.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thank you very much Orrin and Dave.
I am going to share this with my 87 year old Mom.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 1:46 PM


Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until 
about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.? We used old catalogs, too.? When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.? They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."? They were not all that good.? We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.? The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.? So little time.



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From obise at moscow.com  Sat Apr  9 13:17:59 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:17:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp>
	<0DCC8FA9C1DB44108BFE2983E5767A08@morpheus>
Message-ID: <52E7F241C1C74A77A1B0A86FED83C4A9@CathyComp>

Dave, I *like* it!  A person could do their biz and make a political
statement at the same time.  

:-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Hi Orrin, I was born in 1941 and taught Toilet Paper routine by my dad until

about 1953.
This meant that the last weeks "English Radio Times" as the best quality 
unglazed publication was
given to me as a duty to cut each page into 4 and then punch a hole in one 
corner and a loop of string
put through the holes to hang the bunch on the hook! See
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2623869260028520097gqzXkW
Dave Croft.
Warrington.
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 4:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

Snip

AND,,,,, The catalog laying there was always in a different state of use.
In other words it was very obvious that when there was no company all they
used were Sears and Monkey Wards catalogs.

I asked Mom about that and she had grown up that way.
Except in the Summer they would grab a handful of leaves on their way to the
outhouse.
About the catalog pages Mom told me that as you sat down you would tear off
however many pages you figured you would need and start crinkling them up
while you did your job.

Alan in Michigan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I grew up using a two-holer.  We used old catalogs, too.  When we'd get a
fresh one everybody would use the index pages, first, because they were
unglazed paper and somewhat absorbent, like newspaper stock.

I always hated it when only the glossy pages were left.  They were stiff as
a board and about as absorbent as a piece of cellophane.

I didn't grow up in "the good old days."  They were not all that good.  We
worked like slaves in weather that wasn't fit for man or beast.  The good
old days are right here and now.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.



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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  9 13:42:34 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:42:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy
In-Reply-To: <2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>
References: <182212.96363.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><893367.26680.qm@web111712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1AE9F4220F62427B9222B2087385C1EC@CathyComp><0cfaf28b1c194488717795ede0eb0644.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<2E823305-8C90-4BED-BDA5-1893CF1CFFB4@me.com>
Message-ID: <70ACE1687EFC4EAF8C1A0C1E1E82C0E3@Arthurhplaptop>

As bad as I hate to Dave, I agree with you . Anyone over 50 has lived thru 
and seen the best days this country will ever see.

Arthur

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:52 PM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bill's Selling a toy

> Look at the way our cultures values have changed since the 40's. I DID
> grow up in "the good old days!"
> Dave
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oilengine at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr  9 21:01:06 2011
From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:01:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)
Message-ID: <CC8E5756CDDA4EB68BAEBD83E550601E@FarmerPC>

Hello all, I have had a brass plate engraved for Larry Thomas ("In Memory of Larry Thomas") and I have given it to Kyle Blankenship to be affixed to the OFES Honoree's Plaque, a very small gesture for sure, but at least a memento for ourselves, I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that we will all carry the Love that Larry left us in our hearts for the rest of our days. 

Ecclesiastes 7:1, "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

(Video of Larry and his display at Portland show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBwdKiZnTk

R. Farmer
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From obise at moscow.com  Sun Apr 10 14:54:42 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:54:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl><57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:38 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help

 

On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:

 

> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to

> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as

> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:

 

Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not
Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being
paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean,
that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would
keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 

 

Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a
variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to
every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to
require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me
with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to
them until they properly construct the equation. 

 

Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be
self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it
up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've
done a good job.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Rob, you blew my cover.  :-)  Actually, I *did* learn the importance of
labels (units) in college freshman chemistry class.  It was this way:

 

Our freshman chemistry class was lucky enough to have Doc Willard teach us.
He was the best and we students were smart enough to know we had a gem for
an instructor. When he sidetracked onto his involvement in the Manhattan
Project he kept all of us sitting on the edge of our seats.

 

Unfortunately, the dolts in charge of our laboratory sessions--more brain
dead graduate student TAs--couldn't explain the difference between a mole
and a graduated cylinder.  They were the ones who were supposed to be
teaching us how to work the problems.  None of us caught on, except for one
fellow, Jim Wilhelm, the class genius.  We were lucky enough to have him in
our little circle of friends.

 

Just like everybody else in the class (except Jim), when it came to test
time, I flunked all the problem-solving questions.  To keep the whole class
from flunking, Doc Willard was forced to grade on the curve.  

 

I was still completely in the dark until the night before the final exam for
the year.  Our little clique got together in the basement of a frat house in
order to cram for finals.  One little question of mine revealed to Jim what
I didn't understand.  In about two sentences he showed me the big picture; I
saw the light.  It is something the graduate students couldn't do in a whole
year's-worth of four-hour labs.  

 

>From then, on, I knew how to deal with those very important labels (units of
measure).  The next day Jim and I aced the final exam and in the process we
blew Doc Willard's grading curve, sky-high.   He posted Jim's and my grades
as A++++

 

End of story.  Now, I need to wipe the egg off my face.  In an earlier post
I said:

 

Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:

 

    32-feet

  -----------

      sec

     -----

      sec

 

And went on to say:

 

In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
Inverting and multiplying results in:  

 

32-feet-second

--------------

     sec

 

That is wrong!  I failed to do what I said to do, invert and multiply.

 

   32-feet           32-feet           1          32-feet

--------------  =  -----------  X  ---------  = ------------ 

     sec               sec            sec        sec squared

    -----

     sec

 

Sorry about that, Devin.

 

Orrin

 

Orrin Iseminger

Colton, Washington, USA

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm

So many projects.  So little time.   



From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Apr 10 15:46:44 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:46:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Orrin B Iseminger <obise at moscow.com> wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:38 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Orrin B Iseminger wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You can do it, too, Devin.  The most important thing for you to
> 
>> remember is to plug not only numbers into your equations; but, words as
> 
>> well.  If you do that, problems solve themselves.  For instance:
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin, are you sure you're not teaching Devin about Chemistry, and not
> Physics? The reason I ask is that concept is what I took with me after being
> paroled from Miss Holey's high school chemistry class. The lady was so mean,
> that rather than kick insubordinate teenagers out of her class, she would
> keep us there and cruelly inflict Chemistry upon us. 
> 
> 
> 
> Upon me, she caused permanent scarring. To this day, I still suffer a
> variant of Stockholm Syndrome, where I am obsessive about adding labels to
> every item in an equation. While figuring out anything complex enough to
> require pencil and paper, I compulsively add labels. If someone comes to me
> with a problem that is not properly labeled, I do not even want to talk to
> them until they properly construct the equation. 
> 
> 
> 
> Devin, even if the math is simple, add the labels. Your equations will be
> self-checking. If your labels end up all screwy, you know that you goofed it
> up. If your labels end up just as you expect, it's an indication that you've
> done a good job.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> 
> Rob, you blew my cover.  :-)  Actually, I *did* learn the importance of
> labels (units) in college freshman chemistry class.  It was this way:
> 
> 
> 
> Our freshman chemistry class was lucky enough to have Doc Willard teach us.
> He was the best and we students were smart enough to know we had a gem for
> an instructor. When he sidetracked onto his involvement in the Manhattan
> Project he kept all of us sitting on the edge of our seats.
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the dolts in charge of our laboratory sessions--more brain
> dead graduate student TAs--couldn't explain the difference between a mole
> and a graduated cylinder.  They were the ones who were supposed to be
> teaching us how to work the problems.  None of us caught on, except for one
> fellow, Jim Wilhelm, the class genius.  We were lucky enough to have him in
> our little circle of friends.
> 
> 
> 
> Just like everybody else in the class (except Jim), when it came to test
> time, I flunked all the problem-solving questions.  To keep the whole class
> from flunking, Doc Willard was forced to grade on the curve.  
> 
> 
> 
> I was still completely in the dark until the night before the final exam for
> the year.  Our little clique got together in the basement of a frat house in
> order to cram for finals.  One little question of mine revealed to Jim what
> I didn't understand.  In about two sentences he showed me the big picture; I
> saw the light.  It is something the graduate students couldn't do in a whole
> year's-worth of four-hour labs.  
> 
> 
> 
>> From then, on, I knew how to deal with those very important labels (units of
> measure).  The next day Jim and I aced the final exam and in the process we
> blew Doc Willard's grading curve, sky-high.   He posted Jim's and my grades
> as A++++
> 
> 
> 
> End of story.  Now, I need to wipe the egg off my face.  In an earlier post
> I said:
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, it is much better to use fractional notation like this:
> 
> 
> 
>    32-feet
> 
>  -----------
> 
>      sec
> 
>     -----
> 
>      sec
> 
> 
> 
> And went on to say:
> 
> 
> 
> In the above example, remember how you divide fractions.  Invert and
> multiply.  Therefore, it is entirely correct to do the same in the above.
> Inverting and multiplying results in:  
> 
> 
> 
> 32-feet-second
> 
> --------------
> 
>     sec
> 
> 
> 
> That is wrong!  I failed to do what I said to do, invert and multiply.
> 
> 
> 
>   32-feet           32-feet           1          32-feet
> 
> --------------  =  -----------  X  ---------  = ------------ 
> 
>     sec               sec            sec        sec squared
> 
>    -----
> 
>     sec
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry about that, Devin.
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> 
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> 
> Colton, Washington, USA
> 
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> 
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Apr 10 18:05:54 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:05:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)
References: <CC8E5756CDDA4EB68BAEBD83E550601E@FarmerPC>
Message-ID: <B68E524D84E841048C4156FF0745913E@mikecomp>

A great video, a greater loss.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Farmer" <oilengine at embarqmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] Larry Thomas (In Memmoriam)


> Hello all, I have had a brass plate engraved for Larry Thomas ("In Memory 
> of Larry Thomas") and I have given it to Kyle Blankenship to be affixed to 
> the OFES Honoree's Plaque, a very small gesture for sure, but at least a 
> memento for ourselves, I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that we 
> will all carry the Love that Larry left us in our hearts for the rest of 
> our days.
>
> Ecclesiastes 7:1, "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the 
> day of death than the day of one's birth."
>
> (Video of Larry and his display at Portland show)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBwdKiZnTk
>
> R. Farmer
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of 
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From obise at moscow.com  Sun Apr 10 20:30:03 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:30:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl><57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp><3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com><48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>

Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.
Concept. How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?

Sent from my iPhone





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Apr 10 21:07:47 2011
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>

Orrin, 
	When you were young had Physics been discovered yet?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

I



From obise at moscow.com  Mon Apr 11 05:49:22 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
References: <6C9288D23C2E44A89DA2C00FB9DFC2AC@CathyComp>
	<4693A4A6240A434082ED68B4A74FD248@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <192B2EF63C5F482AB0C60F84AD786163@CathyComp>

Tommy,
	Newton was working on it.  :-)  He got his ideas by watching an
apple fall to the ground.  I was the one who planted the tree.  ;-)
		Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:08 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

Orrin, 
	When you were young had Physics been discovered yet?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Age? I confess; and, I'm proud of it.  :-)

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction

You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.

I

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 06:39:51 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

John,
That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.

On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>
> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How
> do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?





From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 08:54:53 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:54:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
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Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out the conceptual aspect of physics.

John

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> John,
> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
> 
> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>> 
>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept. How
>> do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 09:21:18 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:21:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help
Message-ID: <35668.25bddb9f.3ad4847e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/6/2011 5:47:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com writes:

I am in  desperate need of a Physics tutor.



Hey Devin,
 
>From all the list tutoring, have you decided to drop physics yet?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 09:20:42 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:20:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
	<cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinpDv+LqySzkP7ZGCxrgdGmQayvGw@mail.gmail.com>

Standing still would have no acceleration either. I experience that
frequently.
And if you - or it - is slowing down that is negative velocity. (As I
remember it, anyway)

Paul

PS for the older people:  Fire and water are no longer considered elements.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 09:34:32 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:34:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <2AD1E890-4FD3-4FBC-9D45-84578CEEA13C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
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	<2AD1E890-4FD3-4FBC-9D45-84578CEEA13C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <75c1e2a79ab33657afc10ae93ee5cc7a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

John,

I disagree.  The acceleration is the second derivitive of position.
In the case of your bullet example (ignoring air drag), at the time the bullet
changes direction from up to down, its velocity is zero, but the accelleration is
still g (32.17 ft/sec sq or 9.81 m/sec. sq.) as a vector pointing toward the center
of the earth).

Arnie

On Mon, April 11, 2011 11:54 am, John Neth wrote:
> Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or
> direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down
> it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out
> the conceptual aspect of physics.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
>>
>> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>>>
>>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept.
>>> How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?




From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 10:00:03 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:00:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <75c1e2a79ab33657afc10ae93ee5cc7a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
	<cf341e6a6f920c9376a7f7b8abf318e0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<2AD1E890-4FD3-4FBC-9D45-84578CEEA13C@mac.com>
	<75c1e2a79ab33657afc10ae93ee5cc7a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44452B30-0C1D-40DC-AB51-661481F0A902@mac.com>

Good point, that's the part I forgot. 0 velocity but 9.81 m/s/s acceleration.  Still conceptional.  Knew if I was in error someone would correct me.
The change in direction maintains acceleration with 0 velocity.

John 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> John,
> 
> I disagree.  The acceleration is the second derivitive of position.
> In the case of your bullet example (ignoring air drag), at the time the bullet
> changes direction from up to down, its velocity is zero, but the accelleration is
> still g (32.17 ft/sec sq or 9.81 m/sec. sq.) as a vector pointing toward the center
> of the earth).
> 
> Arnie
> 
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 11:54 am, John Neth wrote:
>> Constant velocity has no acceleration.  Acceleration is a change in velocity or
>> direction.  The instant a bullet fired vertically changes direction from up to down
>> it has 0 m/s/s acceleration and that is different than 0 acceleration.  Points out
>> the conceptual aspect of physics.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> John,
>>> That's easy.  When you're moving at constant velocity, your acceleration is zero.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, April 10, 2011 6:46 pm, John Neth wrote:
>>>> You are showing your age and a problem with US science.  Newtons and m/s/s.
>>>> 
>>>> In physics there is the math and the conceptual of what is happening.  Concept.
>>>> How do you have an acceleration of 0 m/s/s.?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 11 11:28:57 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <44452B30-0C1D-40DC-AB51-661481F0A902@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
	<AD021CD9-6FF8-4EF7-8CE8-B48FEB50F33C@mac.com>
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	<2AD1E890-4FD3-4FBC-9D45-84578CEEA13C@mac.com>
	<75c1e2a79ab33657afc10ae93ee5cc7a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<44452B30-0C1D-40DC-AB51-661481F0A902@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0e511324a19a70c958d6da18449e16b5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

John,

I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality rather than
conceptual.  Despite the best efforts of some of Obama's henchmen in Congress to
repeal it.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 11, 2011 1:00 pm, John Neth wrote:
> Good point, that's the part I forgot. 0 velocity but 9.81 m/s/s
> acceleration.  Still conceptional.  Knew if I was in error someone
> would correct me.
> The change in direction maintains acceleration with 0 velocity.
>
> John





From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 11 13:32:31 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:32:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <0e511324a19a70c958d6da18449e16b5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
	<48CF6A8FA4374EBB8C17DD06998E3E37@CathyComp>
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Message-ID: <1DADC7FB-AFCC-4E73-8254-4ACDAA221A4D@me.com>

Plato argued the same thing and notions such as this provided the  
basis of Christianity!
	Dave

On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> John,
>
> I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality  
> rather than
> conceptual.


From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 14:41:27 2011
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:41:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Physics Help & error correction
In-Reply-To: <1DADC7FB-AFCC-4E73-8254-4ACDAA221A4D@me.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302105601.21104.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY153-w22A0B4AAF779BEFBAF12D2D5A50@phx.gbl>
	<57521DBED8A94897B68B9335CEEB8FA5@CathyComp>
	<3F716D21-B555-41BB-8529-6187D0E2F67C@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <BA3308D4-AFF4-4AFB-8BF7-55A9343FF941@mac.com>

One of my more basic students once told me.  "mr Neth I don't believe in atoms, but I'll learn it for you.". 

One of my main concerns was that all students need a foundation in physics, not just the math but an understanding of the laws.  Disregard the law of gravity and you'll get hurt.  And understand momentum before they get a drivers license.  Won't happen but should.  If voters had a foundation in physics maybe they would understand the rest of science.  Going back to mowing a cemetery now.
John

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Plato argued the same thing and notions such as this provided the  
> basis of Christianity!
>    Dave
> 
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> 
>> I'd go a step further and say that the Law of Gravity is reality  
>> rather than
>> conceptual.
> _______________________________________________
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 00:37:30 2011
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (jnyost at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:37:30 
Subject: [SEL] SEL@lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: 0e1d453b37f99cb5e2cfd4fd4ad03360@[192.168.1.1]

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 09:24:47 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:24:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Been a while....

Got the chassis back from shotblasting and Zinc spraying on Wednesday,
it's been there for a month!

Took it straight to the painters who did a 48-hour turnaround and a lovely job.

Extrusion is all here ready for a start on the body, the side bearers
arew being cut for us tomorrow at our factory landlord's place on
their CNC bandsaw.

Will be bringing it all back home tomorrow to start work on the body.

Pictures of today's collection:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis11.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis12.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis13.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis14.jpg

Chassis in bare unpainted Zinc:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis2.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 10:21:13 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:21:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>

Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to  
back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a  
good driver!
	Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Been a while....
>
> Got the chassis back from shotblasting and Zinc spraying on Wednesday,
> it's been there for a month!
>
> Took it straight to the painters who did a 48-hour turnaround and a  
> lovely job.
>
> Extrusion is all here ready for a start on the body, the side bearers
> arew being cut for us tomorrow at our factory landlord's place on
> their CNC bandsaw.
>
> Will be bringing it all back home tomorrow to start work on the body.
>
> Pictures of today's collection:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis11.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis12.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis13.jpg
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis14.jpg
>
> Chassis in bare unpainted Zinc:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis2.jpg
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 12:31:25 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:31:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> good driver!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
mite technical for her :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 13:13:07 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>


On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>> good driver!
>>        Dave
>
> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> mite technical for her :-))
>
> Peter

I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a  
hitch on the front of my truck!
	Dave



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 13:37:25 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:37:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin35LnOR18QkAQpyLqiOEJwEKLN8w@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 21:13, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
> hitch on the front of my truck!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Already in the pipeline, Dave, one of the first items we looked into.

$US 250.00 for a professional kit, or we can make our own for around $US 80.00.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Apr 15 13:45:39 2011
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:45:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>

Get a horse!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ

Dave Merchant


At 04:13 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>        Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
>
>I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>hitch on the front of my truck!
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr 15 14:42:27 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>

Peter,
I enjoyed seeing pictures of your new trailer.  However, now I  have 
question on the turn table.  Do you have a means (flexible joint)  installed on 
the front axle to allow one wheel to go over a high spot without  causing the 
front axle to bind?
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

 

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email:  listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 16:40:47 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
Message-ID: <454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Really Dave?
I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM



On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>> good driver!
>>? ? ? ? Dave
>
> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> mite technical for her :-))
>
> Peter

I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a? 
hitch on the front of my truck!
??? Dave

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 17:23:56 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <713182.63028.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That was pretty lame actually.
About 140 miles North of me is Mackinac Island.
At least during the Summer time there are no cars to be seen.
Back around 1986 my partner and I had a job to do on the island.
Building materials are very expensive on the island so we took our own.
We hired a guy with a team of horses and a wagon that they called a Dray to haul our materials half way around the island. It looked more like an old movie buckboard
He took to the inner roads but where he had to turn into the rear drive to the lodge we were going to work on he had to back in.
Then he had to back up about 75 feet and do a sharp left between two barns then just past the barns it was a sharp right and down a bank before another left and?right turn around a guest house. Three more turns and he backed up to the rear door to the 1910 Silver Birches lodge.
He did it all so quickly and that team knew his every command.
The wagon driver was a young kid that told me he had only been doing that for thirty days.
He said the horses were the good drivers.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com> wrote:


From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:45 PM


Get a horse!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ

Dave Merchant


At 04:13 PM 4/15/2011, you wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>? ? ? ? Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
>
>I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>hitch on the front of my truck!
>? ? ? ???Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
? ? ? ???- Prof. Phil Jones
? ? ? ???- Director, Climatic Research Unit
? ? ? ???- School of Environmental Sciences
? ? ? ???- University of East Anglia
? ? ? ???- Norwich, UK
? ? ? ???- To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes

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From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 15 17:37:48 2011
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>,
	<454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>


Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib. 

Al Kamminga
 
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
> 
> Really Dave?
> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>  
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
> > On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
> >> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
> >> good driver!
> >>        Dave
> >
> > Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
> > mite technical for her :-))
> >
> > Peter
> 
> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a  
> hitch on the front of my truck!
>     Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 15 18:04:51 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:04:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
Message-ID: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>

Friend looking for a pulley for his 1 1/2 hp International M engine.   
Anyone know of one for sale?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Apr 15 18:21:58 2011
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:21:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
In-Reply-To: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>
References: <39f25.5969faa3.3ada4533@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A3C72166931A463BACDD4840DA12D0A8@shop>

Hi Tom

That should be pretty easy; did he try Hit & Miss?
I bought one from Charlie Bryant (SP) years ago but I'm not sure if he is
still dealing in old engine parts or not.

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:05 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] pulley help

Friend looking for a pulley for his 1 1/2 hp International M engine.   
Anyone know of one for sale?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 15 18:33:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:33:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <A24A7C1F-EE45-4F7C-9845-7302BCBC81B1@me.com>
	<454129.65633.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY154-w38C0EAA5CE5B5D6EE095E4C9AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68E586D1-F64D-48D2-88A5-5D3D24CE795A@me.com>

Hi Alan and Al, I'm glad you guys are so much better that all the rest  
of us! It's really a joy to know you!
	Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

>
> Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the  
> manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib.
>
> Al Kamminga
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
>> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>>
>> Really Dave?
>> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
>> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we  
>> could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>>>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>>>> good driver!
>>>>       Dave
>>>
>>> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
>>> mite technical for her :-))
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>> hitch on the front of my truck!
>>    Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
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> 		 	   		
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 20:20:32 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <68E586D1-F64D-48D2-88A5-5D3D24CE795A@me.com>
Message-ID: <352966.61848.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am not, Dave.
We all just come from our own backgrounds.
It has been a real joy the few times I have seen you.
Meeting you and so many other SEL folks for the first time at Lincoln's Show & Tell was a real nice event.
Right now I really wish I had enough vacation time to do the Portland show.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 9:33 PM


Hi Alan and Al, I'm glad you guys are so much better that all the rest? 
of us! It's really a joy to know you!
??? Dave

On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

>
> Me too. I learned to back up before driving forward. Had to back the? 
> manure spreader into to barn and 4 wheel wagons into the corncrib.
>
> Al Kamminga
>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:47 -0700
>> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>>
>> Really Dave?
>> I guess in your younger years you were not backing up farm wagons.
>> Us country kids learned how to back up trailers like that before we? 
>> could drive cars on the road... Legally anyway. 8>)))
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Trailer Update
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:13 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 April 2011 18:21, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Looks GREAT Peter! However, I'm sure glad that I will never have to
>>>> back it up! You are lucky that that young women you sleep with is a
>>>> good driver!
>>>>? ? ???Dave
>>>
>>> Rita sends her best as always, but says that trailer reversing is a
>>> mite technical for her :-))
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> I KNOW that if I were backing that trailer I would be installing a
>> hitch on the front of my truck!
>>? ? Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 15 20:57:18 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
References: <BANLkTikQY-FE_BkZ_gBOStT5wp92Gj1oWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3FC90CB-882C-4094-8B41-DBD4ED9A7C63@me.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20110415164216.0346c580@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <89f8d8059fbbffe3ae9f55fec748bfc9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

We had a guy in our club who pulled a farm wagon / people hauler like that with a
pair of mules.  Using just verbal commands he'd back that wagon into a building
stall just as neat as you please.  VERY impressive!!

On Fri, April 15, 2011 4:45 pm, Dave Merchant wrote:
> Get a horse!
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/26/e-RbfD-9EyQ
> Dave Merchant




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 23:08:32 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:08:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>
References: <7c7fe.5744015f.3ada15c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinTs8r40vbC7KovgUNCyXszgk26Uw@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 April 2011 22:42,  <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Peter,
> I enjoyed seeing pictures of your new trailer. ?However, now I ?have
> question on the turn table. ?Do you have a means (flexible joint) ?installed on
> the front axle to allow one wheel to go over a high spot without ?causing the
> front axle to bind?
>

Hi Francis:

The axles have independent suspension at each wheel, the front axle
does not pivot other than in the horizontal plane.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 04:45:13 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:45:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] pulley help
Message-ID: <3796.23ce2c0c.3adadb49@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/15/2011 9:36:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

That  should be pretty easy; did he try Hit & Miss?



Dave,
 
I told him last night to contact H&M.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Apr 16 11:05:48 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <6b1c.45109165.3adb347c@aol.com>

Thank you.
 
Francis
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2011 11:16:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

The  axles have independent suspension at each wheel, the front axle
does not  pivot other than in the horizontal  plane.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Apr 17 02:01:36 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:01:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Huge gantry mill getting installed at Man diesel
Message-ID: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>

Thought you budding machinists might like this:
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/huge-gantry-mill-getting-installed-man-diesel-133961/

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 17 07:28:44 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:28:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Huge gantry mill getting installed at Man diesel
In-Reply-To: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>
References: <5B25BDC781604024BAD4448811FFE1E3@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <07e72a675e29fdbc2558cec06125d5e1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pete,

That was amazing.  Thanks!!  We see the pics and the movies of the HUGE diesel
engines in ships and power plants and don't give much thought to how they machine
them.  Now we know!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 17, 2011 5:01 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Thought you budding machinists might like this:
> http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/huge-gantry-mill-getting-installed-man-diesel-133961/





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 11:25:07 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:25:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 April 2011 19:03, Don Halvorson <showerxpert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Awesome, want to see the finished project! .......Don

We got the trailer moved from the factory to the house yesterday, only
a few hundred yards, and also got the body mountings on. Today we
moved all of the new ali extrusion down by hand, me and Rita carried
the 24+ft lengths down, one on each shoulder, took us five trips which
produced a few raised eyebrows as we walked down the road!

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis16.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis17.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis18.jpg

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis19.jpg

Rita looking on in the last shot, she was there all day, helping with
the  work and carrying the extrusions.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 17 12:10:27 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:10:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
Message-ID: <853b.9858168.3adc9523@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/17/2011 2:37:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

me and  Rita carried
the 24+ft lengths down, one on each shoulder, took us five  trips which
produced a few raised eyebrows as we walked down the  road!




Rita is a good woman! That sure is going to one awesome trailer when  
completed!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 17 13:05:11 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>

You are VERY lucky to have such a women Peter. MANY lesser women would  
have traded you in for two thirty year olds many years ago!
	Dave

On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>
> Rita looking on in the last shot, she was there all day, helping with
> the  work and carrying the extrusions.
>
> Peter


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 14:18:00 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:18:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<385063.99303.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTimvpsdc8G9dN23ubFiCyu2GnKF_2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C61451AF-3F0A-47FD-99C3-B42BABB3D5BB@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=vp1oAwvbJtE+pYTZjLqQ2CLh1pg@mail.gmail.com>

On 17 April 2011 21:05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> You are VERY lucky to have such a women Peter. MANY lesser women would
> have traded you in for two thirty year olds many years ago!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

LOL!

Rita had a chuckle at that!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 18 06:26:12 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:26:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Farm Welfare To Be Cut?
Message-ID: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>

See: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/18/taxpayer-calculator-farm-subsidies


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 09:25:55 2011
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:25:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Farm Welfare To Be Cut?
In-Reply-To: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>
References: <0A3914B2-E987-476C-A650-E0ECEE0B9293@me.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikDOvc65jfwLXqoPU2JdYqrjstS6w@mail.gmail.com>

And; go to:
http://www.thenation.com/article/159943/tax-day-farms-owned-rich-provide-massive-tax-shelter

In part:
"Take Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computers and the second-richest Texan,
who qualified for an agricultural property tax break on his sprawling
1,757-acre residential ranch in suburban Austin and saved over $1 million
simply because his family and friends sometimes use the land as a private
hunting preserve to shoot deer. Or take billionaire publisher Steve Forbes,
who got more than a 90 percent property tax reduction on hundreds of acres
of his multimillion-dollar estate in upscale Bedminister, New Jersey, just
by putting a couple of cows out to pasture. They are not alone. All across
the country, a huge number of America?s wealthiest are tapping into
agricultural tax breaks?and none of them have to do any real farming to
qualify.

Not only are agricultural tax breaks allowing wealthy landowners to shift
their tax burden onto other less-affluent taxpayers but they are also
helping bankrupt public schools, which derive the bulk of their funding from
local property taxes. "


It is common in California for someone to have what you may consider a
country estate - frequently very close to a city - that has just a couple of
cows or other animals so it can be considered a farm.

Paul - still a city boy.


From swebre at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:00 2011
From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:56:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1303228802.24181.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.0.1303228802.24181.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W33158C2B4DD4E359C5AC6ADB900@phx.gbl>


Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South Louisiana to join in some food and engines.    
 
Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958

JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and friends! 

-Steve- 


 
  		 	   		  

From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 19 16:37:47 2011
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:37:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
Message-ID: <6ce22ab4.140fe8.12f70207b8b.Webtop.42@charter.net>




On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Steve Webre wrote:

> Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou 
> for the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to 
> South Louisiana to join in some food and engines.     Here is a link 
> to the big adventure at JB's camp:
> http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958
>
> JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ 
> food and friends!
> -Steve-
>
The SEL group can tell you that Steve and Mel did their share, everyone 
came in on Thursday, we did the "power tour" Friday, ending up at Steve 
and Mels for a delicious crawfish etouffe (a-too-fay). Saturday was the 
Cypress Sawmill Festival and engine show, Sunday at my camp.
J.B.


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr 19 17:40:11 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:40:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB's Shindig - 2011
Message-ID: <380-22011432004011172@M2W139.mail2web.com>

That is one Shindig that I would love to attend, we have not been down
south yet ;-)))
Peter, Oz



Several weeks ago, J.B. Castagnos had his annual shindig on the bayou for
the old boat group and a gaggle of SEL folks made the trek to South
Louisiana to join in some food and engines.    
 
Here is a link to the big adventure at JB's camp:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?3428/250958

JB and his gang deserve our "Thanks" for organizing a good time w/ food and
friends! 

-Steve- 


 
  		 	   		  
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 21 18:28:25 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:28:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I Know The Feeling!
Message-ID: <A7E33E29-84BA-4169-813F-31B0FFDD854C@me.com>

See: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504784_162-20056188-10391705.html?tag=cbsnewsTwoColLowerPromoArea;morenews


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Apr 24 18:34:43 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:34:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Check out antique sideshaft engine
Message-ID: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>

Here is side shaft engine for sale on Craigslist.
 
_Click here: antique  sideshaft engine_ 
(http://slo.craigslist.org/atq/2340710123.html)   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 19:46:51 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:46:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Check out antique sideshaft engine
In-Reply-To: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9DB1DBB.7C9E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

A poor lonely Austral, a long way from home.


On 25/4/11 11:34 AM, "FRM8198 at aol.com" <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:

> Here is side shaft engine for sale on Craigslist.
>  
> _Click here: antique  sideshaft engine_
> (http://slo.craigslist.org/atq/2340710123.html)
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Leichhardt NSW
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 26 08:55:31 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:55:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 26 09:35:44 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:35:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Bill,

The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only had 36hp.

They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing changes for the Super M.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Apr 26 10:01:37 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:01:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0e0d8b96496eef3a961c1a4790f4af67.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

But will the live hydraulic pump from the super M go onto the M engine
he'd like to put into the super M?

> Bill,
>
> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
> had 36hp.
>
> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp
> producing changes for the Super M.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
>
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 26 11:31:16 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:31:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <2e5c6.78b5c88c.3ae629b2@aol.com>
	<cfea8b4952c026d7447d18eb7446d39c.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <9A2C5730-4128-4B68-A7A3-10DA9F893A27@scrtc.com>

Bill, 
     Try this before you start pulling engines, etc.  Mix up a pint of acetone and a pint of auto trans fluid.  Remove the spark plugs and put some in each cylinder.  Let It set for at least a week.  Pull the starter and take a pry bar and pry against the ring gear to break it loose.  My dad was an M Farmall guy and I've seen him on more than one occasion do this.  I remember him doing this with an M one morning and that afternoon we had it in the field pulling a hay wagon.  You don't have anything to lose but a little time.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
> 
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
> 
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 27 10:08:45 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:08:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>

Hey Fellas,
 
Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,  
steel, etc., around the shop.
 
Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it  has 
one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper  
color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and  does not 
appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the copper 
as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Wed Apr 27 09:54:36 2011
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:54:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
Message-ID: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>

Hello group,
	Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA. 
Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?

Rupert
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 27 10:17:48 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:17:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds9497A2B5F679C24354217BB980@phx.gbl>

Scrape the silver Tom...is there copper under that?

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] welding cable


> Hey Fellas,
>
> Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,
> steel, etc., around the shop.
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it  has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and  does 
> not
> appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the 
> copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 10:45:24 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:45:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd:  OT IH M tractor question for a friend]
Message-ID: <97baea6932aaf86a9ac8648c89c79d54.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
From:    "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Date:    Wed, April 27, 2011 1:21 pm
To:      "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Hi Arnie,
         May I ask you to do me a favour. Please forward this to Spencer and the SEL
list. He did mention a while back that the &quot;rejection rules&quot; from
TrendMicro's virus/spam filtering system sometimes rejected valid mail but
they are rejecting EVERY reply (or post) that I make. The address I'm
sending from is the one registered with SEL so the problem cannot lie
there.  Every reply I've made to the SEL list in about the last 2 months
has been rejected with the message:

 &quot;The message's content type was not explicitly allowed&quot;.

 Appended below are the headers from the rejection notice.
 Many thanks,
 Jerry

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 10:47:04 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:47:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

It's silver.  BIG BUKS.

Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 1:08 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands.  Non magnetic.  It is heavy and does not
> appear to be aluminum.  Any ideas?  Took it out as I  want to sell the copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 11:01:29 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:01:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
method (like cash)?

I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.

As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?





From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr 27 11:30:46 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George (DS))
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:30:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
	<d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F552B646C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wasn't there some restriction for U.S. customers in that you really needed to have a foreign bank account to use this well.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:01 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers

Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
method (like cash)?

I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.

As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?



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From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 12:34:49 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:34:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
	<4c68d7b5ebf1c2c37f0eeab789b64f2c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimQTp7-vqH76TDacQvs8xrYcOkkLg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> It's silver. ?BIG BUKS.
>
>
If you can fume it with sulphur dioxide, it should go black if it's
silver. Or leave it out and wait and see. Something like aluminum
won't go black.


-- 
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VE3HOP
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http://www.andersonloco.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 27 15:06:22 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:06:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's  silver.  BIG BUKS.



Arnie,
 
Sure would be nice if it was silver.  Maybe I will take it to my  jewelry 
buddy for evaluation.
 
Rick,
 
Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish  color 
disappears with more scraping.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 15:47:25 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <443362.72664.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

High end welding cable consists of really fine strands of wire that are tin plated to stop corrosion. When a cheapo cable gets used and the jacket gets skinned, moisture gets into the strands and you get a big green swollen spot that eventually causes the cable to fail. Do a google search on tinned welding cable if you like.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:06 PM



In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's? silver.? BIG BUKS.



Arnie,

Sure would be nice if it was silver.? Maybe I will take it to my? jewelry 
buddy for evaluation.

Rick,

Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish? color 
disappears with more scraping.???

Tom? Schmutz
Concord,? Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Wed Apr 27 15:57:35 2011
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:57:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: MoneyBookers
In-Reply-To: <d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4DB84A4C.6010701@xplornet.com>
	<d96973814faa07b5886a4941b322d2bf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4DB89F5F.5040903@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Arnie. That article says it all.

Rupert

On 4/27/2011 12:01 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Recall when ePay bought PayPal and required all sellers to only accept PayPal
> payments?  And they pulled any auction or sale that tried to use some other payment
> method (like cash)?
>
> I gather that some folks (maybe the Feds?) started making antitrust noises.
>
> As of February 2009, Moneybookers US-based division "Moneybookers USA Inc." has been
> integrated on eBay.com as an official Ebay payment provider in response to antitrust
> concerns.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybookers
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, April 27, 2011 12:54 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Some of the Ebay sellers are asking for payment using Moneybookers USA.
>> Has anyone used them before? Any comments, good or bad?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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yvt

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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 27 17:35:06 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:35:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3ee63f425577cb6eeb54f3815d41043e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Or it could be platinum.  BIGGER BUKS!!

On Wed, April 27, 2011 6:06 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
>
> It's  silver.  BIG BUKS.
>
> Sure would be nice if it was silver.  Maybe I will take it to my  jewelry
> buddy for evaluation.
>
> Rick,
>
> Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish  color
> disappears with more scraping.




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 27 18:23:21 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:23:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
References: <443362.72664.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013901cc0542$dcb0daa0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

It is as Joe says.  Tin coated copper.  Good for number 2, paying $3.25 in 
Youngstown.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable


High end welding cable consists of really fine strands of wire that are tin 
plated to stop corrosion. When a cheapo cable gets used and the jacket gets 
skinned, moisture gets into the strands and you get a big green swollen spot 
that eventually causes the cable to fail. Do a google search on tinned 
welding cable if you like.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
Milligan

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] welding cable
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:06 PM



In a message dated 4/27/2011 1:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's silver. BIG BUKS.



Arnie,

Sure would be nice if it was silver. Maybe I will take it to my jewelry
buddy for evaluation.

Rick,

Seems that when I scrape it, it looks coppery then the copperish color
disappears with more scraping.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Apr 27 19:48:47 2011
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:48:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F55141AE7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>

Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
on.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
(DS)
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

Bill,

The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
had 36hp.

They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
changes for the Super M.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
experts here??

Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.

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From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 27 20:18:48 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:18:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
Message-ID: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>

On 4/27/2011 7:48 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
> Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
> OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
> someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
> on.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
> (DS)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> Bill,
>
> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
> had 36hp.
>
> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
> changes for the Super M.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>
> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
> experts here??
>
> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>
> _______________________________________________
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The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!

Bob Holtzer


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 27 21:06:03 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:06:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
	<4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3F4217A4-717D-4334-A951-20B286DA6C22@scrtc.com>

The distributor mounted hyd pump will work on the regular M engine.  You could buy a live hyd kit from M & W that mounted between the distributor and block and  I know of a couple of M's my dad did this to.  The only problem is with the reduced hp of a regular M engine You lug the engine pretty good depending on what you are operating with the hyd.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:18 PM, "Robert L. Holtzer" <rholtzer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 4/27/2011 7:48 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
>> Apparently no one here knows about M and super M tractors..........
>> OK, I'll have this fellow check into some forums for tractors. Just thought
>> someone here might know tractors but suspect most of those folks have moved
>> on.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
>> (DS)
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:36 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> The Super M is super as it had 47hp on the belt, while the regular M only
>> had 36hp.
>> 
>> They may have the same basic engine, but apparently there were hp producing
>> changes for the Super M.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> bill at antique-engines.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:56 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
>> 
>> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super M
>> experts here??
>> 
>> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
>> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized. I
>> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
>> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The only
>> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
>> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
>> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
>> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
>> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M engine?
>> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
>> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine and
>> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly as
>> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will bolt
>> to the M engine is the only thing keeping me from buying it.
>> 
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> The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
> The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
> small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
> heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 27 21:11:30 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:11:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend
In-Reply-To: <4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
References: <EB15429381CE424AAEFDC4ACC9593C86@l2800>
	<4DB8DC98.6090307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <228B625C-4D78-480A-93FC-CB08A8D2EBD8@scrtc.com>

I think the only difference was the thickness of the sleeves.  




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>> 
>> 
> The Super M had 1/8" larger bore.  Displacement 264 vs 247 regular M.  
> The M I rebuilt had a lot of time on the engine.  Interestingly the 
> small end of the rods were somewhat oblong -- apparently due to the 
> heavy cast iron pistons used.  Good solid engine at any rate!
> 
> Bob Holtzer
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 00:01:34 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:01:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
In-Reply-To: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
References: <4ace0.3b409c74.3ae9a79d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim+BW6aTp=J3ceLtQori4KkqssaWA@mail.gmail.com>

On 27 April 2011 18:08,  <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Fellas,
>
> Been cleaning up getting ready for a recycle run, scrap aluminum, copper,
> steel, etc., around the shop.
>
> Stripped the deteriorated rubber off some welding ground cable and it ?has
> one twisted strand in it that is silver in color rather than the copper
> color of the other twisted strands. ?Non magnetic. ?It is heavy and ?does not
> appear to be aluminum. ?Any ideas? ?Took it out as I ?want to sell the copper
> as number 1 for more money at recycle center.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom ?Schmutz

Tinned Copper as the other guys have mentioned, we find that about 50%
of our cable comes tinned, especially the larger sizes, we buy up to
70mm sq (00 AWG) for the charger leads.

Our local scrappie doesn't mind the tin coating, just needs the outer
sheaths to be removed so it is just copper on the scales.

Peter
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr 28 05:06:37 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel to 
assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, PA. 
The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906 
and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to 
find a more fascinating place. 
http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ

ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on 
negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have 
permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation 
work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested in 
joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and 
neglect.

Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a 
workshop inside.
2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance of 
the plant.
3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor 
demonstrations
4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to 
ensure the structural stability of the plant.
5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.

Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help out.

Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse 
Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display. 
150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.

We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on 
volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and 
I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have 
such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 projects 
at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at Carrie 
this year.

 If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is 
great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit that 
is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the "Rowlands' 
Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.

Thanks and I hope you can join us.

Rick Rowlands
rick at todengine.org
330-272-4089 





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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr 28 05:58:06 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] welding cable
Message-ID: <1776a.1f41f04c.3aeabe5e@aol.com>

That corrosion inhibitor makes a lot of sense as I see some of the fine  
silver strands among the copper strands too.  The one most notable was the  
larger one with all fine strands silver in color. 
The cable that I was removing insulation from was so deteriorated that the  
insulation just crumbled off with a twist of the hand.  
 
Maybe I will get rich enough from all this recycle junk that I will be able 
 to pay for my gas to the Reidsville, NC show on Saturday!
 
Thanks to everyone for the all the info.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 28 06:16:57 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:16:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
In-Reply-To: <01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
	<01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>

Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is fascinating.
I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at the 
BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor 
malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that plugs 
up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron 
comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that closes 
the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast 
furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting 
sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the 
good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper 
imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia





For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel to
assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, PA.
The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to
find a more fascinating place.
http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ

ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have
permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation
work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested in
joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
neglect.

Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
workshop inside.
2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance of
the plant.
3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
demonstrations
4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
ensure the structural stability of the plant.
5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.

Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help out.

Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display.
150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.

We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on
volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have
such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 projects
at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at Carrie
this year.

If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is
great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit that
is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the "Rowlands'
Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.

Thanks and I hope you can join us.

Rick Rowlands
rick at todengine.org
330-272-4089





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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr 28 07:56:36 2011
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:56:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com><01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>

I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast furnace 
plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I plan to 
make it operational again.  It is electric.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA


> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is 
> fascinating.
> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at 
> the
> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor
> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that 
> plugs
> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron
> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that closes
> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast
> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting
> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the
> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel 
> to
> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin, 
> PA.
> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard to
> find a more fascinating place.
> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>
> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I have
> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the preservation
> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested 
> in
> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
> neglect.
>
> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
> workshop inside.
> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance 
> of
> the plant.
> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
> demonstrations
> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>
> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help 
> out.
>
> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for display.
> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>
> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending on
> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and have
> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011 
> projects
> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at 
> Carrie
> this year.
>
> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that is
> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit 
> that
> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the 
> "Rowlands'
> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>
> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> rick at todengine.org
> 330-272-4089
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 10:16:29 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
Message-ID: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:49:24 2011
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:49:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>


All the blue tarps are safe at the Royster compound! I hope everyone else was as lucky.  Thanks steve
 
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
> 
> Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
> there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:02:04 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:02:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Trailer Update
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAjAgCCjzmTOxwKjwf3T5hMOk1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 15 April 2011 17:24, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Been a while....

Next update:

Body floor is cut and held in with Sikaflex 221 adhesive/sealer, it's
pretty solid to walk over and feels nice and firm. Winch mounts are
already in place below the floor, we have to make up spacers to carry
the winch bolts through the floor and onto the 2" box section
underneath.

Checker plate is 5mm heavy duty stuff and is really only for where the
engine trolley wheels run. Lashing eye holes are at each corner,
bolted through the honeycomb floor with steel spacers onto guesseted
corner brackets.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis28.jpg

Last holiday weekend we got a lot more done:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis29.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis30.jpg

Today we had a truck arrive with the main side panels, 24ft X 8ft by
14mm thick, GRP on plywood.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis33.jpg

Couple of hours later we had them cut to size and the wheelarches and
front frame cutaways done.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis31.jpg

The front panel is uncut, it's 8ft square and we should be getting
that erected tomorrow, ready for putting up the sides over the holiday
weekend. Lots of material left over, we started at 196kg per sheet and
got it down to 136kg per sheet, which makes them much more handleable.

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/DBChassis32.jpg

I'll get some more pictures taken over the weekend and post next week.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 28 16:14:16 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:14:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com><01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174><980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
	<024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>

Pity I am so far away (smile) good luck.
Peter


> I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast 
> furnace
> plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I plan to
> make it operational again.  It is electric.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
>
>
>> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is
>> fascinating.
>> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and tradesman at
>> the
>> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them 24/7.
>> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the motor
>> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device that
>> plugs
>> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten iron
>> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that 
>> closes
>> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
>> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4 blast
>> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and getting
>> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable, aahhh the
>> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
>> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
>> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers of Steel
>> to
>> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in Rankin,
>> PA.
>> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built in 1906
>> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its hard 
>> to
>> find a more fascinating place.
>> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>>
>> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
>> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the site. I 
>> have
>> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the 
>> preservation
>> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be interested
>> in
>> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion and
>> neglect.
>>
>> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
>> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and establishing a
>> workshop inside.
>> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the appearance
>> of
>> the plant.
>> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
>> demonstrations
>> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making repairs to
>> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
>> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
>> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>>
>> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to help
>> out.
>>
>> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905 Westinghouse
>> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for 
>> display.
>> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>>
>> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May, depending 
>> on
>> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact me and
>> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project, and 
>> have
>> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011
>> projects
>> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at
>> Carrie
>> this year.
>>
>> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis that 
>> is
>> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time visit
>> that
>> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the
>> "Rowlands'
>> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>>
>> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> rick at todengine.org
>> 330-272-4089
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =======
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 28 16:35:15 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:35:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
In-Reply-To: <74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>
References: <62b83.10f8b1ae.3ae9ed5e@aol.com>
	<01c001cc059c$ba0db7c0$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<980EBE1F96EC46958A81D2C943610BD2@PeterPC>
	<024901cc05b4$7b69b880$0301a8c0@PC179134136174>
	<74BDD28685F14FE588B32AFBFBFAC105@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <23228FAB-2684-4129-B4B1-C9CEB43962CA@me.com>

I've sure as hell heard THAT EXCUSE before!
	Dave

On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Pity I am so far away (smile) good luck.
> Peter
>
>
>> I'm trying to acquire a Bailey mud gun right now from another blast
>> furnace
>> plant to replace the missing gun at Carrie No. 6.  If I get it I  
>> plan to
>> make it operational again.  It is electric.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Carrie Blast Furnaces - Pittsburgh, PA
>>
>>
>>> Yes Rick, blast furnaces and the whole steel making process is
>>> fascinating.
>>> I worked and served my time as an electrical apprentice and  
>>> tradesman at
>>> the
>>> BHP Steel Works in Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> The blast furnaces in particular were full on, we ran 4 of them  
>>> 24/7.
>>> The job I hated most was when the mud gun cables got burnt or the  
>>> motor
>>> malfunctioned. For those who do not know, the mud gun is a device  
>>> that
>>> plugs
>>> up the tapping whole at the bottom of the furnace where the molten  
>>> iron
>>> comes out. All 100 tons of it. It has a water cooled head/plug that
>>> closes
>>> the hole and fills it with a clay plug.
>>> We dreaded hearing the urgent call for an electrician to the #4  
>>> blast
>>> furnace mud gun. Putting on the flame proof suit and helmet and  
>>> getting
>>> sprayed in molten sparks and the heat in summer was unbearable,  
>>> aahhh the
>>> good old days. The entire BHP site in now gone, wiped out by cheaper
>>> imports, a placed where you could really learn a trade well.
>>> http://www.hfinster.de/StahlArt2/archive-Trinec-Steelworks-img_2615-2008-a-en.html
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5124322221/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/5551841142/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/2807965978/
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the past month I have been actively volunteering with Rivers  
>>> of Steel
>>> to
>>> assist in the preservation of the Carrie blast furnace plant in  
>>> Rankin,
>>> PA.
>>> The Carrie furnaces area pair of ironmaking blast furnaces, built  
>>> in 1906
>>> and operated until 1978.  If you like big stuff made of metal, its  
>>> hard
>>> to
>>> find a more fascinating place.
>>> http://news.webshots.com/album/578647201kosHYJ
>>>
>>> ROS acquired the plant last year after twenty years of off and on
>>> negotiations, and now have their hands full in preserving the  
>>> site. I
>>> have
>>> permission to organize a volunteer work crew to assist in the
>>> preservation
>>> work, and am looking for a few able bodied people who would be  
>>> interested
>>> in
>>> joining our work crew and help fight the battle against corrosion  
>>> and
>>> neglect.
>>>
>>> Some of the projects that we will be tackling this summer include:
>>> 1) Closing up and securing the blowing engine house and  
>>> establishing a
>>> workshop inside.
>>> 2) Cutting brush and trees around the property to improve the  
>>> appearance
>>> of
>>> the plant.
>>> 3) Restoration of some equipment on site to operation for visitor
>>> demonstrations
>>> 4) Cleaning around the bases of the steel columns and making  
>>> repairs to
>>> ensure the structural stability of the plant.
>>> 5) Mending fences. (yes literally, its a daily chore)
>>> 6) Building handrails, railings, repairing stairs and platforms etc.
>>>
>>> Volunteers do not need to have any skills, just the willingness to  
>>> help
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Engine related content:  I'm negotiating to move the 1905  
>>> Westinghouse
>>> Corliss steam engine from Steubenville to the Carrie Furnaces for
>>> display.
>>> 150 ton, 18' flywheel cross compound generating engine.
>>>
>>> We will hold our first Saturday work session sometime in May,  
>>> depending
>>> on
>>> volunteer availabiliy.  If interested in joining us please contact  
>>> me and
>>> I'll put you on the list.  I feel so strongly about this project,  
>>> and
>>> have
>>> such a sense of urgency that I've postponed some of my planned 2011
>>> projects
>>> at the Tod Engine Heritage Park to spend as many days as possible at
>>> Carrie
>>> this year.
>>>
>>> If you are local to Pittsburgh an can volunteer on a regular basis  
>>> that
>>> is
>>> great.  If you would be coming in from out of town for a one time  
>>> visit
>>> that
>>> is good too.  I may be able to provide short term lodging at the
>>> "Rowlands'
>>> Bed and Breakfast" to wayward travelers.
>>>
>>> Thanks and I hope you can join us.
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> rick at todengine.org
>>> 330-272-4089
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =======
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 29 05:53:33 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:53:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
Message-ID: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>

See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 29 07:06:17 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:06:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Farmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
References: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
Message-ID: <85D6C5F0-318F-4189-8973-808434F4DCE1@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/


Hey, Dave.
I used to use raw milk. Now I only use milk in cooking other stuff, so it's hardly worth the trouble. If I drank milk, it would be raw. We can buy it legally in grocery stores.

When we give the government the power to take away the things that are worst for us, we also give them the power to take away the things that are best for us, until we are all mediocre drones in an egalitarian world of gray.

Interestingly, Williams just wrote on this subject last week:
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/04/27/smugglers_as_heroes

Party on,
Rob





From kd5byb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 07:30:25 2011
From: kd5byb at gmail.com (ben hall)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:30:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BANLkTimp8=apqwdhLVV1iQq9s_DcbcOS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL112-W6507E0AC6AA7E2E8D68DD7959B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTiknArfQr3cLqO+ywnTTHwF-DhNQHw@mail.gmail.com>

Morning all,

Greetings from north Alabama.  Northern AL got hammered.  One tornado
went about 2 tenths mile south of our house. I watched it pass by. No
damage to our house, but many not far away are gone.  Our little
grocery store is gone as is our pharmacy and gas station.  9 dead so
far.  All Northern Alabama is without power.  Writing this from a
McDonalds in Southern Tennessee.

Thanks much all,
ben


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Steve Royster
<steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> All the blue tarps are safe at the Royster compound! I hope everyone else was as lucky. ?Thanks steve
>
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:16:29 +0100
>> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
>>
>> Looking at the reports coming in from the BBC, it looks pretty bad out
>> there, hope all of our list people are safe & well!
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 29 08:18:21 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:18:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] USA Storms
Message-ID: <10930.173a8a35.3aec30bd@aol.com>

Ben,
 
Glad you and your family and home are safe, but very sorry for those lives  
lost and homes and businesses.  Los of damage and lives lost in the South,  
and on up into Virginia were we live.  No damage around us in central  
Virginia, but south and east of us.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 18:19:48 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <FB3F990F-6712-49AC-AA5B-134703154624@me.com>
Message-ID: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Raw milk is a lot better for ya.
I own 1/20 of a dairy cow named Cindy.
I paid $75 for that share of her.
I get one gallon of raw milk per week.
The cows he has that are not divided into shares and sold still give millk and that milk goes on the truck so all of his cows and their milk are tested regularly.
Alan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>, slick at toltbbs.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:53 AM


See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/
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From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 19:46:04 2011
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:46:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
Message-ID: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
anyone knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?

-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
http://www.andersonloco.com


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr 29 20:50:12 2011
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
Message-ID: <419d.22f527c0.3aece0f3@aol.com>

 
Paul, 
Here is quick way to check the ignition system on a Maytag Model  92.
 
Open the points.
Make sure the spark plug end of the high  tension lead is about 3/16" from 
the block. The spark plug may be used if  grounded to the block.
Momentarily apply 9 volts (battery) across the  points.
A good coil and condenser will give a  blue spark. 
 
The primary coil resistance is about 2.2 ohms. The secondary (high  
tension) coil resistance is about 9500 ohms using the same ground point as the  
primary side. These resistance readings are not absolute and vary slightly from 
 coil to coil. 
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, Ca

 
 
In a message dated 4/29/2011 7:53:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
wackyvorlon at gmail.com writes:

I'm  working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
anyone  knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?

-- 
Paul  Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
http://www.andersonloco.com
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Apr 29 23:09:14 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:09:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
Message-ID: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>

Hi all 
Does anyone in Oz have any photos or actually have the following anvils.

G F Loft  Anvil  - Melbourne

B K  Anvil  Sydney

I am picking up these two sight unseen very cheap, I am keeping the best and selling the other one.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 30 05:49:26 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:49:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag 92 Coil
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikAmDeDQcKRT4NCPeCoUyMz98Pd_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110430124925.989EC98E0@smtp.wcoil.com>

Depending on the 92 coil there will be one of two resistance 
readings, Approx 7500  and 4500  the 7500  is the most common. Mark


At 10:46 PM 4/29/2011, you wrote:
>I'm working on restoring a model 92 maytag engine. I was wondering if
>anyone knew the resistance I should expect on a multimeter?
>
>--
>Paul Anderson
>VE3HOP
>wackyvorlon at gmail.com
>http://www.andersonloco.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr 30 06:45:16 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
In-Reply-To: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
References: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
Message-ID: <1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against me.  8-))

Google is your friend...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-BLACKSMITHS-ANVIL-G-F-LOFT-MELBOURNE-Can-post-/360362330993?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item53e744cb71

http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dispater/blacksmithgallery.htm

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0033-56546/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/anvil-bk-sydney-approx-470mm-l-x-210mm-h-on-steel-angle-base-plates-14

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Antique-anvil-2-6-kgs-B-K-Sydney-brand-can-post-/110638960810

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Remember, lift with your legs, not your back.  8-))

On Sat, April 30, 2011 2:09 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Does anyone in Oz have any photos or actually have the following anvils.
>
> G F Loft  Anvil  - Melbourne
> B K  Anvil  Sydney
>
> I am picking up these two sight unseen very cheap, I am keeping the best and selling
> the other one.





From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 30 14:17:46 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:17:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
In-Reply-To: <1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <F958D1F592154D56AABE75B0171832D1@PeterPC>
	<1599575c62d5bf43bd718d0f81e0358d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A16CBF9B-9E01-4915-940C-12119D8F9A50@me.com>

Arnie, Don't worry, I don't think Peter is "that sort" of guy!
	Dave

On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against  
> me.  8-))


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 30 17:30:36 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:30:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
In-Reply-To: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <986620.88836.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF447DDF-587A-4021-BACA-12C72DB135EA@me.com>

THAT'S NEAT!
	Dave
PS, Tell Cindy that I said HI!

On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Alan wrote:

> Raw milk is a lot better for ya.
> I own 1/20 of a dairy cow named Cindy.
> I paid $75 for that share of her.
> I get one gallon of raw milk per week.
> The cows he has that are not divided into shares and sold still give  
> millk and that milk goes on the truck so all of his cows and their  
> milk are tested regularly.
> Alan
>
> --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Terrorist Fatmer Targeted By Fed!
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary- 
> engine.com>, "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com 
> >, slick at toltbbs.com
> Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:53 AM
>
>
> See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr 30 22:19:56 2011
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:19:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Anvils
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Hi Dave and Arnie
How could I hold anything against two good engine friends (smile)
Thanks for the links Arnie, that first Ebay link must have just been placed 
there, it was not there yesterday.
Thanks to all the others for replying.

Pete, Oz



> Arnie, Don't worry, I don't think Peter is "that sort" of guy!
> Dave
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> G'day Mate,  I'm not in Oz, but I hope y'all won't hold that against
>> me.  8-))
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