From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct  1 07:08:15 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:08:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
Message-ID: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>


I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed 
Manufacturing of Erie PA.  Its a 404 1/2 R  They have obsoleted the 
vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here 
who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.  As we all 
know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it. 
I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.  Anyone 
know of a source for parts?   I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.     Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 18:29:55 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 21:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
Message-ID: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>

I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York 
horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag 
states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the 
maker? No photos yet. 
Thanks 
Kevin K

From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sat Oct  2 09:20:40 2010
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP. 
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html 
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 11:58:03 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,
What part do you need?
Don't we have a couple metal casters on this list?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:08 AM



I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed 
Manufacturing of Erie PA.? Its a 404 1/2 R? They have obsoleted the 
vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here 
who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.? As we all 
know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it. 
I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.? Anyone 
know of a source for parts????I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.? ???Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com? 

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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Oct  2 12:32:13 2010
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:32:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <000401cb6268$8430c2a0$97a3474a@ownerfm3tybt04>

There are a few hits in Google Books, the first is a short article in
"Tractor World" vol 1-2, pg37, Sept.1919, the second is an ad in "The Monroe
County Farm Bureau News", vol 4-5, pg 350 ( 1918). It states the engines
were made in 2,4,6, and 15 horsepower versions, and there's a nice picture
also. I plugged in "Jones Oil Engine Syracuse" to come up with these,
there's a lot more I didn't sort through. I live in Syracuse, but I've never
heard of Jones Oil Engine or Free St.. Need to research this one a little
more. You learn the most interesting things on this list!
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Syracuse, New York
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse


> > I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> > horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4
HP.
> > Tag
> > states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or
the
> > maker? No photos yet.
> > Thanks
> > Kevin K
>
> Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html
> but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.
>
> -Rick I.
> near Rochester, NY
>
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Oct  2 12:44:59 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:44:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <87D7D55CBA2640ABA014A41080DB5522@Eagle>

S.M. Jones made engines in Toledo, Ohio. Jones bought Acme Sucker Rod
Company in the early 1900s. Early engines carried the Acme name. Perhaps
there was another Jones in Syracuse. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.

James Madison




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick I.
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York 
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  
> the maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfiel
d-circa1900_600.html
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Oct  2 14:44:25 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:44:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Alan,
  The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled 
out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can 
see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they 
will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage. 
The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark


http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg


At 02:58 PM 10/2/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>What part do you need?
>Don't we have a couple metal casters on this list?
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:08 AM
>
>
>
>I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed
>Manufacturing of Erie PA.  Its a 404 1/2 R  They have obsoleted the
>vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here
>who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.  As we all
>know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it.
>I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.  Anyone
>know of a source for parts?   I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.     Mark
>
>
>
>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 County Road 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct  2 11:14:55 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:14:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <7DE53FAB-8A88-4CE8-AADC-660630250471@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Rick I. wrote:

>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY.  
>> 4 HP.
>> Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines  
>> or  the
>> maker? No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K
>
> Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html
> but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.


Nice Jones, Rick.  A four horse version of the same engine would be  
sweet.

Rob





From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 15:08:42 2010
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (riga_fire at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:08:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <609131472-1286057322-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-675541495-@bda574.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

They had a Jones engine at an auction in Toledo probably six years ago. Talked to a guy who was very knowledgeable on them but not for sure all the details any more. I think it was a four horse not running and went for $4500.00. Other engines were fairly reasonable in their selling price. Was interested until it started for more than I had! 
Sent from my BlackBerry? powered by Virgin Mobile.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:20:40 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP. 
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html 
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 

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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sat Oct  2 15:36:03 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:36:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>	<536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4CA7B3D3.2060202@xplornet.com>

Hello Mark,
	Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is 
almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
	I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the 
Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring 
equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.

Rupert

On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>    The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark
>
>
> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Oct  3 15:14:28 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:14:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>
References: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CA90044.1060003@coastalnet.com>

  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned from Google books.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/

Ken Christison

On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:
> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 15:47:13 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <4CA7B3D3.2060202@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Seems like the hard part would be finding the tap to cut those threads.
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com> wrote:


From: Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:36 PM


Hello Mark,
??? Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is 
almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
??? I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the 
Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring 
equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.

Rupert

On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>? ? The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Mark
>
>
> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.??? 

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
??? 
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  3 16:59:07 2010
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 00:59:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com> <4CA90044.1060003@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <2B4778EA3CDD4788B1ED975B721C453F@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
> On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:
>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
>> maker? No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K

From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

>  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned from Google books.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/
> Ken Christison

Hi Ken, That explanation sounds fascinating but as a realist engine man 
for 50 years it doesn't seem to fit in with my experiences.
Does anyone have any practical experiece of running these engines?
Dave Croft
Warrington.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv





From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 17:32:00 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:32:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
Message-ID: <14ed4a.11cba7c5.39da7a7f@aol.com>

Dave I have never owned one and never run one of these engines but I will  
assure you I will picked this engine up. Bought site un-seen. Gosh I hope 
all  works out. I will post pics when it gets here. I might need a hefty man 
to turn  the flywheels. Looking for volunteers. LOL 
Thanks 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2010 8:08:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

-----  Original Message ----- 
> On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  wrote:
>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse  New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper  is Syracuse NY. 4 
HP.  Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4  HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  
the
>> maker?  No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K

From: "Ken  Christi son" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email  discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday,  October 03, 2010 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From  Syracuse

>  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned  from Google books.
>  http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/
> Ken  Christison

Hi Ken, That explanation sounds fascinating but as a realist  engine man 
for 50 years it doesn't seem to fit in with my  experiences.
Does anyone have any practical experiece of running these  engines?
Dave  Croft
Warrington.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct  3 20:44:20 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:44:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CA94D94.9000601@xplornet.com>

	Taps are available for most acme threads. They are expensive though. A 
1/2-20 Acme tap is around $70.

Rupert

On 10/3/2010 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
> Seems like the hard part would be finding the tap to cut those threads.
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Rupert<rwenig2 at xplornet.com>  wrote:
>
>
> From: Rupert<rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:36 PM
>
>
> Hello Mark,
>      Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is
> almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
>      I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the
> Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring
> equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.
>
> Rupert
>
> On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>      The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
>> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
>> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
>> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
>> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark
>>
>>
>> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3174 - Release Date: 10/03/10 00:34:00
>>

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 22:14:53 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:14:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot about these:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfu0m_8LSY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39T_eKoQcp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njf8DFCqCBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toskE-eNw_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqkqZWB_HSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opnDmhOU0D0

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Mon Oct  4 05:57:23 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:57:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDC607F2-8D45-4D97-A08B-1ED044F144A1@windstream.net>


On Oct 4, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqkqZWB_HSs

Thanks for the great videos, Peter. The Gardner engine at 2:23 in the above video has some GREAT motion!!!

Mike

______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct  4 07:35:52 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:35:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
Message-ID: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th, 9th,
and 10th this year.
The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
tractors on Saturday evening.
Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is definitely
the show for you!
Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Club website with all the information.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>

Call me if you have any questions.
704-471-6573 (w)
704-472-8599 (c)
704-922-8041 (h)

Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC



From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Mon Oct  4 17:31:04 2010
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:31:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
Message-ID: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>

Hey guys

 

Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.  I've found a pair
cheap; both need tires, etc.  First question; they're tandem dual wheels.  I
have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home?  Secondly they are
the old style (pin thru the hitch ball) type; is that tube probably 4"
inside diameter so the new style hitch (for a 2 & 5/16 hitch ball) will
slide in & fit?  Thirdly he said one has electric brakes but the other has
some kind of electric/hydraulic system; what will be needed to adapt these
brakes to work (2005 Dodge diesel pull truck).

 

Thanks!

 

Lew near Waco, TX



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct  4 18:23:55 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:23:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

If you've never been, this is a GREAT show!  Dave & I have it on the "must do" list
for each year.

BTW Curt, Please make sure that we have a long hose handy so I can fill the water
trough on the Bamford / Millars pumping outfit.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, October 4, 2010 10:35 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th, 9th,
> and 10th this year.
> The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
> As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
> tractors on Saturday evening.
> Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
> you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is definitely
> the show for you!
> Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
>
> Club website with all the information.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
>
> Call me if you have any questions.
> 704-471-6573 (w)
> 704-472-8599 (c)
> 704-922-8041 (h)
>
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
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> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 18:32:40 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:32:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sieverkropp
Message-ID: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>

We had a local show this weekend, the last few years we've been doing a babbitt pouring demo. It usually draws a group of interested people, men, women, and children. A professor-historian narrates it over a portable p a system, he knows the questions to ask and tells an interesting story as we are setting up and pouring. This is more marine related and how the boats needed maintenance and sometimes the bearings were poured on the bank of the bayou. 
   When I got there Sunday morning I was greeted by a local man that said he wanted my he to ID a small engine. He told me it was two cycle and had an exposed connecting rod. My first thought was that he didn't know what he was talking about. We went over to his truck and sure enough it he was right. After looking it over for a few minutes I could read the first and last few letters of the name cast into the hopper, Sie         p, the rest was covered by a bracket someone had added. I realized it was a Sieverkropp, 1/2 hp horizontal. I looked it over, admiring it, and told him it was cute. He said he watched the demo last year, wanted to sell it and wanted me to have it, it came from his uncle and he didn't know how to run it. The price was very reasonable so I came home with it. The commutator for the timer is broken, some of the fiber is missing and I don't know the location of the inlaid contact. If someone knows where to put it, or has detailed pictures it would be a big  help. The governor weights are on the flywheel but nothing else, from Wendels description it just kills the ignition. Pics would help here also. Does anyone here know the purpose of the little poppet valve, looks like a backfire relief to me. I did manage to get it to run a little at the show, fuel dampened rag over the intake and a wire at the end of the connecting rod so it touched at tdc to operate a buzz coil. From what I've read since getting it this is more than a lot of them have done. Thesi engine seems to have run quite a bit looking at the wear on the timer contact and the bushings in the connecting rod.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 18:39:00 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:39:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>
Message-ID: <20101004213900.ZR0WF.5492568.root@mp14>


> 
> Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.  I've found a pair
> cheap; both need tires, etc.  First question; they're tandem dual wheels.  I
> have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
> single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home? 

Lew, most of the 8 hole wheels were the same bolt patterns, but the center holes varied in size, the large can be installed on the small hub but you can't go the other way. Whith a tandem you can usually come home on one flat, you could take the wheel with the flat off and run with the other one if you wanted to.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct  5 06:34:53 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:34:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> If you've never been, this is a GREAT show!  Dave & I have it on the "must
> do" list
> for each year.
>
> BTW Curt, Please make sure that we have a long hose handy so I can fill
> the water
> trough on the Bamford / Millars pumping outfit.

Will do.

....and have you cleaned that rig so the water will be clean? How are we
going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)

Curt






>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, October 4, 2010 10:35 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>> Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th,
>> 9th,
>> and 10th this year.
>> The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
>> As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
>> tractors on Saturday evening.
>> Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
>> you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is
>> definitely
>> the show for you!
>> Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
>>
>> Club website with all the information.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
>>
>> Call me if you have any questions.
>> 704-471-6573 (w)
>> 704-472-8599 (c)
>> 704-922-8041 (h)
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Bessemer City, NC
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Oct  5 09:25:11 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:25:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1286294402.26793.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:34:53 -0600
>From: curt at rustyiron.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
<Big Snip>

>How are we
>going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
>like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)
>
>Curt

That's easy Curt,
         Don't you guys know how to organize a "Mud Wrestling Competition" 
? -  so much more fun than plain ole bathing :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct  5 11:56:25 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:56:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <93e15cfd3826ff7a8bcfdbe526d17005.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

I think it's pretty clean now.  Relatively speaking that is...  8-))
Bring on the Bikini Team!!

On Tue, October 5, 2010 9:34 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> ....and have you cleaned that rig so the water will be clean? How are we
> going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
> like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct  5 11:58:12 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:58:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <4cd976c60e048f3f615868f85e8b65c2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

And it IS a mud pump....

On Tue, October 5, 2010 12:25 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> That's easy Curt,
> Don't you guys know how to organize a "Mud Wrestling Competition"?
> -  so much more fun than plain ole bathing :-)





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  5 20:23:27 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:23:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels (Lew Best)
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27F86869C53D97635092EBCB6E0@phx.gbl>


Lew, a common rv-type brake controller will do for the one with electric brakes.  For the electric over hydraulic, it probably won't work.  A Tekonsha P3 will work.  Contact the very helpful folks at etrailer.com.  They have everything and are happy to help.  They can answer any questions.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct  6 03:04:33 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:04:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Slanzi DVA 515 diesel generator  need some engine parts
Message-ID: <932F49FA7A054A1390E668DF90FF4F04@peterlowe>

Hi all
Any one is Oz help a guy that contacted me.

He is after parts for a Slanzi DVA 515 diesel generator 

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 09:35:06 2010
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>
Message-ID: <374978.99127.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The single wheel rim will not fit on the dually axle you will have offset problems.? Electric/hydraulic brake system will not work with any controller like straight electric brakes will.? I run a BrakeSmart in my truck which is excellent and works with the e/h setup but is not made any more.? MaxBrake is a good alternative as is the Tekonsha P3 but the latter is not a true proportional controller. ?? 



--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Lew Best <lew at lewslittlefarm.com> wrote:

From: Lew Best <lew at lewslittlefarm.com>
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 8:31 PM

Hey guys

 

Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.? I've found a pair
cheap; both need tires, etc.? First question; they're tandem dual wheels.? I
have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home?? Secondly they are
the old style (pin thru the hitch ball) type; is that tube probably 4"
inside diameter so the new style hitch (for a 2 & 5/16 hitch ball) will
slide in & fit?? Thirdly he said one has electric brakes but the other has
some kind of electric/hydraulic system; what will be needed to adapt these
brakes to work (2005 Dodge diesel pull truck).

 

Thanks!

 

Lew near Waco, TX

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 20:56:55 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:56:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] engine needs a ride,Help
Message-ID: <E8586C982A924DE4A0443BE47110C832@VALUED3253602F>

Hi,I need a ride for a new toy. It's a 8 horse FBM. in pieces in Eastern PA.
and I'm near San Francisco Ca ,Any help will be GREATLY apprected and I'll
gladly chip in to the bearing shim fund. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.
415 892 0236



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 21:33:20 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:33:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
Message-ID: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>

Hi ,OOPS ,as it turns out York Pa.is more on the west side of Pa.. rather
than Eastern edge. I'm not sure but maybe I can get it to Coolspring if that
would help. Thanks Jimmy



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct  7 19:00:52 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:00:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jim,

You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 7, 2010 12:33 am, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> Hi ,OOPS ,as it turns out York Pa.is more on the west side of Pa.. rather
> than Eastern edge. I'm not sure but maybe I can get it to Coolspring if that
> would help. Thanks Jimmy
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  7 19:55:34 2010
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:55:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
	<1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>



Went through the Harley Davison final assembly plant at York, Fully 
operational and you walked along side of the assembly line, would not be 
able to do that is oz with some of the OH&S and insurance BS.
One of the great US tours

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz
www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/




>
> You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.
>
> See ya,  Arnie



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 21:23:17 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:23:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F><1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <46E2730F9779423ABC4F9F635DBBB8DD@VALUED3253602F>

Especially if you could time it so you could watch your's being built! Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:56 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ride



Went through the Harley Davison final assembly plant at York, Fully 
operational and you walked along side of the assembly line, would not be 
able to do that is oz with some of the OH&S and insurance BS.
One of the great US tours

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz
www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/




>
> You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.
>
> See ya,  Arnie

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct  8 04:17:57 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:17:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Leroy Clark's email address
Message-ID: <12B9F138214F4E59B00C920EECFC83EB@peterlowe>

Hey Leroy
Contact me with your email address, the one I have just used bounces.
I have a !958 Penny for you.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 10 04:28:57 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:28:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010095159.00da5288@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all the Guru's out there,
         A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems. I have a Lister D, a 
Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.

         I would like to use one of them to charge Lead acid batteries (12 
volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and even combinations of 
12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).

         Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x 12 volt batteries (my 
plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these  3 x 100 amp/hour 
batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked for "output" of the 
generator).

The Petter AS has the following  details on the genny plate:

Generator charging 1260 watt.
35 Volts - 36 Amps - 1000 R.P.M.
Lancashire Dynamo & Crypto Ltd.
W.D. No. 8611  (I assume WD=War Dept. as this is a military style genset.)
1943.
(The Petter AS engine is 2.75 H.P. @ 1800 RPM)
****************

The only details I have at hand on the Lister are :

Generator No. 42234N
Volts: 32/43
Plant No. 63670 NA
Lister Switchboard Type: CT    No. 36169
         I think there is more info on the plate but I would need to move a 
lot of stuff to reach it in the store - right now.

         This is a standard Lister "D" type genset (not S.O.M.)(Rad cooled) 
coupled to a Lister genny. I'm hoping someone out there knows the specs 
(Peter Forbes, Roland ???)

         (The Lister D engine is rated  2 H.P. @ 1100 RPM and was made in 1958)

******************

         Second question: Approximately how long would each of the above 2 
take to charge 3 x 100 amp/hour batteries  (coupled in series to equal 36 
volt).

         Thanks in advance for any answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 06:48:52 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010095159.00da5288@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEOOCBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.

Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.

Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.

Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.

Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.

If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
current and add about 50% to get the charging time.

Simple, eh?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:29 AM
> To: Old Engine List; SEL List
> Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
>
>
> Hi all the Guru's out there,
>          A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems.
> I have a Lister D, a
> Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.
>
>          I would like to use one of them to charge
> Lead acid batteries (12
> volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and
> even combinations of
> 12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).
>
>          Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x
> 12 volt batteries (my
> plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these
> 3 x 100 amp/hour
> batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked
> for "output" of the
> generator).

..............snip........................



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 06:52:20 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:52:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <1205024726.6625261286718484471.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1336142796.6625681286718740524.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
Most 32 Light Plants were sold with Glass Batteries (16 cells x 2 Volts each).   My Delco Plant for example uses 4 x 8 volt batteries.  Still available in your better tractor supply stores, marine suppliers and most common in Golf Carts. NOT CHEAP and they are lead acid.  Right now I am restoring the coils on the starter for my Delco.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:28:57 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question

Hi all the Guru's out there,
         A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems. I have a Lister D, a 
Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.

         I would like to use one of them to charge Lead acid batteries (12 
volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and even combinations of 
12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).

         Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x 12 volt batteries (my 
plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these  3 x 100 amp/hour 
batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked for "output" of the 
generator).

The Petter AS has the following  details on the genny plate:

Generator charging 1260 watt.
35 Volts - 36 Amps - 1000 R.P.M.
Lancashire Dynamo & Crypto Ltd.
W.D. No. 8611  (I assume WD=War Dept. as this is a military style genset.)
1943.
(The Petter AS engine is 2.75 H.P. @ 1800 RPM)
****************

The only details I have at hand on the Lister are :

Generator No. 42234N
Volts: 32/43
Plant No. 63670 NA
Lister Switchboard Type: CT    No. 36169
         I think there is more info on the plate but I would need to move a 
lot of stuff to reach it in the store - right now.

         This is a standard Lister "D" type genset (not S.O.M.)(Rad cooled) 
coupled to a Lister genny. I'm hoping someone out there knows the specs 
(Peter Forbes, Roland ???)

         (The Lister D engine is rated  2 H.P. @ 1100 RPM and was made in 1958)

******************

         Second question: Approximately how long would each of the above 2 
take to charge 3 x 100 amp/hour batteries  (coupled in series to equal 36 
volt).

         Thanks in advance for any answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 10 10:14:27 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:14:27 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
>From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 32 volt question
><snip>
>Jerry:
>
>In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
>identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
>volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
>in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
>stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
>some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.
>
>Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
>and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
>"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.
>
>Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
>lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.
>
>Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
>took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.
>
>Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
>the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
>are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
>the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
>taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.
>
>If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
>divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
>current and add about 50% to get the charging time.
>
>Simple, eh?
>
>Take care - Elden


Hi Elden and Curt,
         I appreciate your answers - thank you.

         As I answered on the "other" list, it is not my intention to "end 
up" with 32 volts (which I omitted to mention in my original post) - I'm 
going to use 12 volts and was just wondering if I could use one of my 32 
volt genny's to charge the 3 batteries at the same time. It was just an 
idea (some would say "brain fart" :-) ) but I realise that it was 
unrealistic and I will connect them in parallel and just use a 12 volts 
machine to charge them. (I've got a few 12 volt charging sets - Iron Horse 
- Briggs and A.N.Other). Of course there is also the trusty old battery 
charger plugged into the mains supply.

         Regarding  8 volt batteries. I have never seen an 8 volt battery 
in South Africa - they may have been available many years ago but 
definitely not for the last 35 years or more. We could find 6 volt 
batteries relatively easily up to about 25 years ago but the supply 
eventually dwindled to the stage that the only way to get them these days 
is by special import. There was a manufacturer in Durban not too many years 
ago who still made small batches but I believe they also no longer do so. 
The market is just too small. Our vintage car and FATG's battle with this 
problem and, although not original, it is common to see conversions to 12 volt.

         The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm 
scrapheaps :-)

         In my teenage years, I remember my Dad "scrounging" old batteries 
from battery suppliers. He would then isolate any dead cells and bridge the 
good cells until he ended up with 32 volts. Quite easy in those days when 
the thick lead bars connecting each cell were exposed on top of the battery 
but a different story today with sealed batteries.

         Thanks guys and keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 10:48:02 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:48:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
I just did google search for 8 volt batteries and easily came up with one source and looks like there may be a few more if you look further.Based on the curency exchange looks like the Trojan brand would run you about what we pay here.
Try:  <www.sustainable.co.za/> 
Curt



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:14:27 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

At 06:00 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
>From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 32 volt question
><snip>
>Jerry:
>
>In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
>identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
>volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
>in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
>stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
>some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.
>
>Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
>and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
>"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.
>
>Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
>lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.
>
>Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
>took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.
>
>Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
>the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
>are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
>the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
>taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.
>
>If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
>divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
>current and add about 50% to get the charging time.
>
>Simple, eh?
>
>Take care - Elden


Hi Elden and Curt,
         I appreciate your answers - thank you.

         As I answered on the "other" list, it is not my intention to "end 
up" with 32 volts (which I omitted to mention in my original post) - I'm 
going to use 12 volts and was just wondering if I could use one of my 32 
volt genny's to charge the 3 batteries at the same time. It was just an 
idea (some would say "brain fart" :-) ) but I realise that it was 
unrealistic and I will connect them in parallel and just use a 12 volts 
machine to charge them. (I've got a few 12 volt charging sets - Iron Horse 
- Briggs and A.N.Other). Of course there is also the trusty old battery 
charger plugged into the mains supply.

         Regarding  8 volt batteries. I have never seen an 8 volt battery 
in South Africa - they may have been available many years ago but 
definitely not for the last 35 years or more. We could find 6 volt 
batteries relatively easily up to about 25 years ago but the supply 
eventually dwindled to the stage that the only way to get them these days 
is by special import. There was a manufacturer in Durban not too many years 
ago who still made small batches but I believe they also no longer do so. 
The market is just too small. Our vintage car and FATG's battle with this 
problem and, although not original, it is common to see conversions to 12 volt.

         The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm 
scrapheaps :-)

         In my teenage years, I remember my Dad "scrounging" old batteries 
from battery suppliers. He would then isolate any dead cells and bridge the 
good cells until he ended up with 32 volts. Quite easy in those days when 
the thick lead bars connecting each cell were exposed on top of the battery 
but a different story today with sealed batteries.

         Thanks guys and keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:53:34 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:53:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpoQ9U=XgE3QuALyQhat-MBDpoV_EboQ5UfkP4@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 October 2010 18:48,  <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jerry,
> I just did google search for 8 volt batteries and easily came up with one source and looks like there may be a few more if you look further.Based on the curency exchange looks like the Trojan brand would run you about what we pay here.
> Try: ?<www.sustainable.co.za/>
> Curt

8V sealed lead-acid is a standard for UPS back-up systems, most of the
battery makers make them, including Yuasa, Hitachi and panasonic.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:57:04 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:57:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+rPPBn-5tQDFeumM7wbb4Nd_fSYcoQ7PA4_1F@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 October 2010 18:14, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> ? ? ? ? The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm
> scrapheaps :-)

Take a look at our company website:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are literally thousands in everyday use in the UK, used in
sub-stations to provide emergency breaker tripping power in the event
of mains failure.

We replace quite a few every year, one 110V set was recently saved and
supplied to the Anson Engine Museum, and a slightly more modern 110v
set was also saved and supplied to Internal Fire Museum.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 11 07:05:01 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:05:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEPCCBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

There's no reason you can't charge three IDENTICAL 12 volt
batteries in series with your gensets.  Usually, on 32 volt DC
systems, there is a way to either shift the brushes or adjust
field current up a little to 41.4 volts (the nominal terminal
voltage for a 90% fully charged lead-acid battery).

Just remember that the weaker cells in the string will overcharge
or, if a cell or two is shorted, the rest of the string will be
overcharged.  If you can get at the individual cell connectors,
measure the voltage to make sure that they don't exceed 2.35
volts for any appreciable time.

I'll bet that's more than you wanted to know about battery
charging!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:14 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 11 09:35:21 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL 32 Volt Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W29CBCA28FEBB46BA9A56AACB530@phx.gbl>


"8-volt batteries are available (at least in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts stores."

And at Wal-Mart, at least in farm country.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway






 		 	   		  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Oct 11 13:29:53 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:29:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286812802.2184.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101011220800.01e3bae8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Thanks for all the replies.

         I have put the idea aside for a week or 3 as I have more important 
work to do at the moment but will get back to it as soon as I get a chance.

         I stand corrected about availability of 8 volt batteries in South 
Africa but maybe I should have mentioned that I was thinking of  readily 
available "automotive" type batteries not special application batteries.

         Curt, the link to an 8 volt battery from a solar power supplier 
would be considered a special application here and not readily available 
"over the counter" . Also the price is extremely high. I realise it is a 
175 Ah battery but I can buy 4 very good quality, imported, sealed 100Ah 
truck batteries here for slightly less than one of those 8 volt batteries. 
The batteries I use are imported from South Korea and I've been using the 
same brand for about 16 years with very good results. Our locally 
manufactured batteries are junk and last 1 year and 1 week - the guarantee 
is 1 year !!! I get at least 4 and sometimes as much as 6 years from the 
Korean batteries.

         Thanks again guys for all the replies - lets put the topic to bed 
now :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 13 11:32:26 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:32:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tractor humor
In-Reply-To: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <9082bebbce49423942cfc52a66c1242c.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>


But will the tractor guys get it? :-)

Someone can post this over to the tractor list....
Curt


Cletus is passing by Billy Bob's hay barn one day when through a gap in
the door he sees Billy Bob doing a slow and sensual striptease in front
of an old green John Deere. Buttocks clenched he performs a slow
pirouette and gently slides off first the right strap of his overalls,
followed by the
left. He then hunches his shoulders forward and in a
classic striptease move and lets his overalls fall down to his hips
revealing a torn and frayed plaid shirt. Grabbing both sides of his
shirt he rips it apart to reveal his stained tee shirt underneath. With a
final flourish he tears the tee shirt
from his body and hurls his baseball cap onto a pile of hay.

Having seen enough, Cletus rushes in and says "what the heck are you doing
Billy Bob!?"

"Jeez,
Cletus, ya scared the bejeezers out of me," says an obviously
embarrassed Billy Bob, "but me and the Ole lady been having trouble
lately in the bedroom department, and the Therapist suggested I do
something sexy to a tractor."







From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 13 11:29:22 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:29:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>


Hey all,
Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
here they are.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>

Enjoy,
Curt Holland




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 14 04:50:13 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:50:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
Message-ID: <4e646.8ec0267.39e84875@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/13/2010 10:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbna
ils.html


Curt,
 
I need to figure how to make it to that show next year.  Been a bad  year 
for me and shows due to some illnesses.
 
Thanks for the photos.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 07:09:22 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

Nice pictures.
Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
Two of those engines spent time in my barn.

Any guesses on which two engines?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


Hey all,
Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
here they are.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>

Enjoy,
Curt Holland


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 09:49:16 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:49:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
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References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>

I know one of them George!
	Dave
PS, Believe it was PINK back then.

On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning  
> Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
> photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 10:24:04 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>
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I'll have to check on my computers and see if I still have any of the old photos of that engine.
Definitely is nicer looking now, but then oxidized old red paint and layers of grease and dirt have that barn fresh appeal as well.

Wouldn't mind seeing it again at the Coolspring show next June. ;-)
I case you don't know I'll be at Coolspring next June with a van full of Dutch and Belgian engine collectors.  Sort of a payback tour for some of the EHOWT collectors I've visited on past European trips.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:49 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

I know one of them George!
	Dave
PS, Believe it was PINK back then.

On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning  
> Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
> photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 14 10:40:46 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:40:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Curt,
>
>Nice pictures.
>Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
>I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
>Any guesses on which two engines?
>
>George

Hi George,
         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 14 10:51:45 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:51:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:29:22 -0600
>From: curt at rustyiron.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Hey all,
>Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
>event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
>here they are.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>
>
>Enjoy,
>Curt Holland




Thanks for the nice pics Curt. I really thought that you were older than 
this - see:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/P1010021.html>

I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously 
never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

         Looks like a great show.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 10:56:34 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:56:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jerry,

You're right.

Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that have been in my barn over the years.  
Would make a nice collection if I still had them.

However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've hauled on my trailers over the years!

Oh well.....  I should be happy with what I've still got.  
Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!

At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Curt,
>
>Nice pictures.
>Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
>I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
>Any guesses on which two engines?
>
>George

Hi George,
         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 14 11:22:25 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:22:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
	>, <5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W135635CCCDAC329D62EE9295560@phx.gbl>


Or Girlie engines under special girlie tarps!     
 
                                     Steve
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:56:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> You're right.
> 
> Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that have been in my barn over the years. 
> Would make a nice collection if I still had them.
> 
> However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've hauled on my trailers over the years!
> 
> Oh well..... I should be happy with what I've still got. 
> Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!
> 
> At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
> 
> At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
> >From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
> >
> >Curt,
> >
> >Nice pictures.
> >Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
> >I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> >Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
> >
> >Any guesses on which two engines?
> >
> >George
> 
> Hi George,
> I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
> just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 14:36:26 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:36:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD70B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD70B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <1F0F1AC9-81F6-49CA-85AD-FACE8BCBAD65@me.com>

Hi George,
	I seem to remember something about you and Coolspring in 2011-- 
however, I didn't know you were bringing "foreeners!" I've already  
reserved the SEL spot with Jake at the end of row two along the woods.  
You (and they) should consider it your "home away from home" while  
there!
	Dave
PS, I'll have the Galloway there!
PPS, Arnie and I will bring plenty of soft drinks for the "foreeners."

On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Best, George wrote:

> I'll have to check on my computers and see if I still have any of  
> the old photos of that engine.
> Definitely is nicer looking now, but then oxidized old red paint and  
> layers of grease and dirt have that barn fresh appeal as well.
>
> Wouldn't mind seeing it again at the Coolspring show next June. ;-)
> I case you don't know I'll be at Coolspring next June with a van  
> full of Dutch and Belgian engine collectors.  Sort of a payback tour  
> for some of the EHOWT collectors I've visited on past European trips.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
> I know one of them George!
> 	Dave
> PS, Believe it was PINK back then.
>
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines
>> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>>
>> George
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning
>> Days
>> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few
>> photos and
>> here they are.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html
>>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Curt Holland
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 15:00:28 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:00:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>

Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the  
caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the  
friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better  
friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just  
before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've  
owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
	Dave

On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> You're right.
>
> Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that  
> have been in my barn over the years.
> Would make a nice collection if I still had them.
>
> However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've  
> hauled on my trailers over the years!
>
> Oh well.....  I should be happy with what I've still got.
> Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!
>
> At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
>
> At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas,  
>> NC
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
>> that
>> I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>>
>> George
>
> Hi George,
>         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag  
> lets
> just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of  
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> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient,  
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication  
> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in  
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 14 17:07:25 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:07:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?






From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 14 17:31:37 2010
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:31:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <BBF8EC96916C46398FA57D5471FE62F7@KerryPC>

Dave, Well said

Kerry



> Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the  
> caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the  
> friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better  
> friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just  
> before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've  
> owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> Dave
>


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Thu Oct 14 18:20:11 2010
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (ashpow at westnet.com.au)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:11 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
Message-ID: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>

Hey all 


I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly repairing. 
There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be looking? 
I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the other bits are not so easy to find though. 


I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia. 


Cheers 
Ash 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 14 18:53:45 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:53:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <f4733a8ff2286a92b0029c23d1c75521.squirrel@rustyiron.com>

>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the nice pics Curt. I really thought that you were older than
> this - see:

Just wait 'till I grow up....on second thought I don't wanna :-)
Curt


> I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you
> obviously never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

Sadly that never got organized, but there was plenty of eye candy to look
at anyway.
Curt






From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 18:53:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:53:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
In-Reply-To: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>
References: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>
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Hi Ash, What parts do you need?
	Dave

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:20 PM, ashpow at westnet.com.au wrote:

> Hey all
>
>
> I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly  
> repairing.
> There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be  
> looking?
> I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the  
> other bits are not so easy to find though.
>
>
> I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ash


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 14 21:42:06 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
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Message-ID: <4fffef65989f4096d9e65082e50a080d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jerry,  We tried...

But Missy, Mel, and Debbie were quite rude in reply when we suggested it...

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 14, 2010 1:51 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:

> I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously
> never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 04:02:58 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:02:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
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On 14 October 2010 23:00, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the
> caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the
> friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better
> friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just
> before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've
> owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Agree 100%, Dave.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 07:18:19 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:18:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.  Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in 1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.  This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 15 09:53:37 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:53:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
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References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Hey george, I'll take a guess. Was it Caddy "fire mist Red" when you Got it?
How about the C&D  Cya, @ Woodland? Jimmy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.
Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A
friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one
time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and
was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I
don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up
for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the
Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in
1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.
This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA,
OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my
possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Oct 15 10:03:13 2010
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:03:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <8E5BAEE3F3E048788139946DC53C2B28@packard971eb80>

I don?t have to guess George, I know for 100% sure that it was that nice 
engine on the first picture;-)
Now Steve has a few engines that were at your place at one time, as he also 
has that Samson from Holland that has spend awile at your place.....

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


> No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine. 
> Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place. 
> A friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.
>
> As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at 
> one time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the 
> engine and was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short 
> and because I don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I 
> picked it up for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before 
> hauling it to the Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I 
> think that was in 1999.
>
> So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn. 
> This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, 
> OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my 
> possession.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines
>> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?
>
>
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 10:50:46 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <15DA4715752B454F98FBA9513D415A61@VALUED3253602F>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Yep.

The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.

On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.  The re-restoration of the engine was done by someone else and they put the brass tag on the engine although I don't agree with the location they put the tag.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

Hey george, I'll take a guess. Was it Caddy "fire mist Red" when you Got it?
How about the C&D  Cya, @ Woodland? Jimmy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.
Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A
friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one
time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and
was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I
don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up
for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the
Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in
1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.
This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA,
OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my
possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 10:55:16 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:55:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <8E5BAEE3F3E048788139946DC53C2B28@packard971eb80>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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That's right!
Just another in a long line of engines that have taken a ride on my trailer.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

I don?t have to guess George, I know for 100% sure that it was that nice 
engine on the first picture;-)
Now Steve has a few engines that were at your place at one time, as he also 
has that Samson from Holland that has spend awile at your place.....

Harry


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:38:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:38:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Lister D parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015202542.01fbf850@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:11 +0800 (WST)
>From: ashpow at westnet.com.au
>Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
>
>Hey all
>I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly repairing.
>There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be looking?
>I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the other 
>bits are not so easy to find though.
>I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia.
>Cheers
>Ash

Hi Ash,
         Welcome to a great hobby and great friends on this list and 
everywhere else you find engine people.

         The Lister D is still pretty easy to find parts for as it was a 
very popular engine with a production run starting about 1926 and going 
through to the sixties sometime. One of the longest ever production runs 
for a stationary engine.

         Your best bet is to find and join a club in your area - meet 
people and ask around for spares. Many people have a few D's lying around 
in the shed somewhere. At least that is the case here in South Africa - Aus 
may be different due to the number of engines like the Ronnie N that were 
built in Aus. and probably took a greater market share there than the Lister D.

         Also have a look at David Edgingtons books on the Lister D here:
<www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk> all well worth the price.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:44:21 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:44:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13/Good People
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015204053.01f85c18@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 15
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:02:58 +0100
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
>
>On 14 October 2010 23:00, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> > Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the
> > caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the
> > friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better
> > friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just
> > before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've
> > owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> > ? ? ? ?Dave
>
>Agree 100%, Dave.
>
>Peter

Dave,
         I also agree - great people - even those in faraway places (from 
me) that I have never met face to face.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:47:42 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:47:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015204503.01fc7ca0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:42:06 -0400
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Jerry,  We tried...
>But Missy, Mel, and Debbie were quite rude in reply when we suggested it...
>See ya,  Arnie
>On Thu, October 14, 2010 1:51 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> > I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously
> > never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

Hell Arnie,
         That's a bummer but I thought you may have imported "Bambi and 
Nitro" or have they not yet recovered from Reg's visit ? :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct 15 14:59:06 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:59:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Otto Engine info please
Message-ID: <EAF1EDBF70424AD3A461A5C7FDFB75FF@peterlowe>

Hi All

Have a look at the web page here and see if anyone can answer my question please.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/otto-engine.htm



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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Skype name: ozengines

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 15 16:37:53 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:37:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F47608727@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F47608727@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0207ae75d631e9203541fc6334aaa1e6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

George,

That's cos the question is just too easy.  That would be the gorgeous RED tank
cooled Cavenaugh & Darley vertical sideshaft that now lives in the shed of the good
Cloistered Oyster.  And she runs as good as she looks.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 15, 2010 10:18 am, Best, George wrote:

> So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.  This
> other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, OR, and CA.  It
> has changed hands a couple times since it left my possession.





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 03:32:10 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:32:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics
Message-ID: <C8DFCA5A.5F5F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


Some pics from today at Campbelltown Steam Museum.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct10/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Oct 16 03:36:57 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:36:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Otto Engine
Message-ID: <B906BA4A4E5C4FEB8D2BFEB817900EBA@peterlowe>

Hi guys

This one looks close to the picture I posted earlier on the Otto Engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myYN2l_-Z50


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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Skype name: ozengines

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 16 10:42:50 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:42:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Yep.
>
>The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.
>
>On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.
>  <Snip>
>George

Actually the first pic is the Red Devil George,
         2nd pic is Daves Galloway.
Keep well,
Jerry 

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 16 10:54:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:54:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Campbelltown Pics
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016195122.029c0638@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 10
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:32:10 +1100
>From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics
>
>Some pics from today at Campbelltown Steam Museum.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct10/index.htm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

Hi Patrick,
         Thanks - great pics as always. That looks like a nice place for a 
rally.

         I particularly liked the pics of engines on the banks of the 
stream. Beautiful setting for them and so different to most of the rally 
pics we see.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 20:45:58 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:45:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
Message-ID: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html

Hopefully it will be home in the next few of weeks (before the baby comes).


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 16 21:19:02 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:19:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F589FFAD-1F21-4951-BD67-03F562B9F74C@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html



I was wondering, but wasn't going to ask.  I kind of assumed you were  
selling engines to buy wallpaper for the baby's room, or chew toys for  
Petra.  She sure is a neat engine.

Do you know how many pushrod engines exist?  How many were converted?   
Was the pushrod engine a dud, necessitating the conversion, or did R&T  
just have really good salesmen?





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 21:35:36 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:35:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <F589FFAD-1F21-4951-BD67-03F562B9F74C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C8E0C848.5F86%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Baby?s room is done & Petra has enough toys already ;)
There are six (possibly 7) pushrod Austral?s known to survive, two are
verticals and there are four horizontals (and only two of these are
portables). There are seven engines confirmed to be converted/refurbished
pushrod engines and no two of these are the same. The pushrod engines were a
bit of a failure so R-T licensed Carter?s patent (i.e. Blackstone) and the
Austral sideshaft engine was born in 1908 with engine No.217. It is thought
that R-T bought back (or took as trade in) the pushrod engines and either
broke them up or rebuilt them but I have not confirmed this. What is
interesting is that the factory waited three years to rebuild the pushrod
engines with non of them re-emerging from the factory until late 1911.
Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett were fantastic salesmen. They were not shy of
boasting (even if it was not true). In the 20?s they boasted that they had
made 300 of the early engines before ?improving? on the design. This was
certainly not true, with the first engine being No.51 and the first
sideshaft engine being No.217 simple maths says they did not built (or even
sell) 300 pushrod engines.
I am busily researching and updating the Austral register as well as writing
a few articles for TOMM on Australs. It gives me something to do before the
baby comes ;)
Patrick


On 17/10/10 3:19 PM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
> 
> 
> I was wondering, but wasn't going to ask.  I kind of assumed you were selling
> engines to buy wallpaper for the baby's room, or chew toys for Petra.  She
> sure is a neat engine.
> 
> Do you know how many pushrod engines exist?  How many were converted?  Was the
> pushrod engine a dud, necessitating the conversion, or did R&T just have
> really good salesmen?
>  
>  
>      <http://www.rustyiron.com/>
>      <http://www.rustyiron.com/PhoneRob.html>
>  
> 
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct 17 06:38:44 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:38:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <773ab820d0dccdc388d42ae79a5c3150.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Patrick,

Man, that's one SWEET Austral!!  It looks all original and complete; is it?
What HP?  Judging by how great she looks, I'm assuming that she's a good runner?

Nice find!  Congrats.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Did you get the lead that the engine was for sale as a result of running the
Austral register?

On Sat, October 16, 2010 11:45 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
>
> Hopefully it will be home in the next few of weeks (before the baby comes).





From bdb at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 17 19:49:57 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:49:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show 2011


> 
> August 24-28  is the date. No idea the feature.  You would think that 
> this would be on their web site but if it is I can not find it. Had 
> to dig out a magnet to get the date.   Mark
> 
> 
> At 10:20 AM 9/29/2010, you wrote:
> 
>>Could someone give me the dates for the Portland 2011 show?   Any 
>>idea what the feature engine is?
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>
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> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Oct 18 02:09:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:09:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mystery fuel pump help
Message-ID: <D5A6F6D138F749229A96CA774FF17F82@peterlowe>

Hi Guys

No help so far and 16hrs to go, can anyone identify this fuel pump please.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110597142670&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:CA:1123


Peter

From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Oct 18 07:21:01 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:21:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F48690F8B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Oops.  Knew it was the first two pictures that Curt posted, but hadn't checked which order they were in when I made that posting.  Oh well.......

Did think it was interesting that the first two pictures were of engines I had at one time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:43 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Yep.
>
>The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.
>
>On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.
>  <Snip>
>George

Actually the first pic is the Red Devil George,
         2nd pic is Daves Galloway.
Keep well,
Jerry 
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 07:28:47 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:28:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>

hi all,
Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117

hope you enjoy.

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA






From k6mw at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 18 08:12:42 2010
From: k6mw at sbcglobal.net (Mike W)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:12:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>

Thanks for sharing the event Kelley....
Where did you ever locate the press on this side of the country? It looks 
great!
 Also, what are you using for the collection bag? Cheese cloth ? It looks 
like it's custom made for the collection bucket?

Thanks,

Mike
Vacaville, CA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


> hi all,
> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at 
> YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a 
> bigger, higher quality video, go here: 
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>
> hope you enjoy.
>
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> La Habra, California
> USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 08:33:00 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:33:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>

hi all,
Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117

hope you enjoy.

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA






From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 18 12:00:56 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:00:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>


That made my mouth water!  What do you do with the pressings?

Granddad used to give his leftovers from making wine to the chickens.  Nothing amuses a small boy like a yard full of drunken chickens.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 18 13:45:35 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>

Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was going 
through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a small 
aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just like the 
little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no handle. 
It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know when this 
was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.




From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:21:06 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:21:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A3FB1766-6B8D-414F-8297-AF3F4674773A@rustyiron.com>

we only have two (urban) chickens.  they got their share of apples.  I suggested to Rob to talk to the HS ag farm dude to see about bringing the waste to the cows, goats and sheep but he didn't want to.  it's now all in the trash can to be hauled away Wednesday

********
See ya,
Kelley 

On Oct 18, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Bruce Younger wrote:

> 
> That made my mouth water!  What do you do with the pressings?
> 
> Granddad used to give his leftovers from making wine to the chickens.  Nothing amuses a small boy like a yard full of drunken chickens.
> 
> Bruce Younger   
> 
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   
> 
> Madison, SD  
> 
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com   
> 
> 
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   
> 
> E. Hemingway
> 
> 
> 
> 		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:26:23 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:26:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
	<D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
Message-ID: <40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>

we purchased the press from a buddy - not sure where he got it from.

the bags are home-made to fit the buckets.  cheese cloth is too week.  this is something like nylon ticking.  it helped keep the majority of the lumps out.  we poured the juice thru a strainer to get any other bits of lumps before going into the bottle

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA




On Oct 18, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Mike W wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the event Kelley....
> Where did you ever locate the press on this side of the country? It looks 
> great!
> Also, what are you using for the collection bag? Cheese cloth ? It looks 
> like it's custom made for the collection bucket?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> Vacaville, CA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL email 
> discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:28 AM
> Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
> 
> 
>> hi all,
>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at 
>> YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a 
>> bigger, higher quality video, go here: 
>> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>> 
>> hope you enjoy.
>> 
>> ********
>> Kelley Garcia
>> La Habra, California
>> USA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 14:37:14 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:37:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

SO Rob & Kelley,

Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
> hi all,
> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 14:52:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:52:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
	<D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
	<40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3c964d51b81d99208ce3e5b006156a4f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Kelley,

On Mon, October 18, 2010 5:26 pm, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>
> the bags are home-made to fit the buckets.  cheese cloth is too week.  this is
> something like nylon ticking.

They were pressing cider with a press like that at a local show a few years ago and
the fabric failed.  A nice SPLOOTCH! of apple mush shot out the hole.

> it helped keep the majority of the lumps out.  we
> poured the juice thru a strainer to get any other bits of lumps before going into
> the bottle

Around here the major source of "lumps" to strain out are drowing yellow jackets!
Nasty lil' bastards!  8-((

See ya,  Arnie



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:41:14 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:41:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>

most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1 gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the stairs!

So when you coming out west for a taste?

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA




On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> SO Rob & Kelley,
> 
> Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> hi all,
>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
>> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 15:11:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:11:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Kelley,

On Mon, October 18, 2010 5:41 pm, Kelley Garcia wrote:
> most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1
> gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the
> stairs!

Sounds like scrumpy in your future to me....

> So when you coming out west for a taste?

What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?

See ya,  Arnie



From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 15:50:25 2010
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F23B41D4-61E2-43BA-8913-3D3EE52EADFF@mac.com>

When it gets nice and hard, freeze it and then chip away the clear ice.  What's left is really good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1 gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the stairs!
> 
> So when you coming out west for a taste?
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> La Habra, California
> USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> 
>> SO Rob & Kelley,
>> 
>> Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>> On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>> hi all,
>>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
>>> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Oct 18 16:06:51 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:06:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>



The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start 
engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without 
a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also 
a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems 
like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember 
who had it.
  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have 
ever seen.       Mark


At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was going
>through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a small
>aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just like the
>little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no handle.
>It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know when this
>was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 18:11:24 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:11:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?


So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both  
expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.







From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 18:53:31 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:53:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>

If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of  
gasoline! I believe that still "works"
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> who had it.
>  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> ever seen.       Mark
>
>
> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was  
>> going
>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a  
>> small
>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just  
>> like the
>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no  
>> handle.
>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know  
>> when this
>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 19:35:42 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:35:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!

And thus, Skinner-san, without even trying, you have matched the body of this email
to the subject line; but with a totally different direction.  8->>>

Wicked!!

On Mon, October 18, 2010 9:11 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>
> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.
>




From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 18 19:37:23 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
Message-ID: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>

I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup


> If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of  
> gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
>> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
>> who had it.
>>  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>> ever seen.       Mark
>>
>>
>> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was  
>>> going
>>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a  
>>> small
>>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just  
>>> like the
>>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no  
>>> handle.
>>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know  
>>> when this
>>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw
>> 454 County Road 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> USA
>>
>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 19:47:01 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:47:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <D45AC414-4916-4911-8F4A-0A857D5F059F@me.com>

I had never heard of that before Barry. However, I'll try it at the  
next show!
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:37 PM, Barry wrote:

> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>
>
>> If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
>> gasoline! I believe that still "works"
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>>> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version  
>>> without
>>> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>>> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>>> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not  
>>> remember
>>> who had it.
>>> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>>> ever seen.       Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
>>>> going
>>>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
>>>> small
>>>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
>>>> like the
>>>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
>>>> handle.
>>>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
>>>> when this
>>>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 19:44:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>

I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> ROFLMAO!!
>
> And thus, Skinner-san, without even trying, you have matched the  
> body of this email
> to the subject line; but with a totally different direction.  8->>>
>
> Wicked!!
>
> On Mon, October 18, 2010 9:11 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>>
>> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
>> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 21:30:46 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:30:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
Message-ID: <633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
> 	Dave

That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).








From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Oct 18 22:09:49 2010
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:09:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__putting_the_old_equipment_bac?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?k_to_work!?=
In-Reply-To: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4CBD281D.7060707@frontier.com>

Kelley Garcia wrote:
> hi all, Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A
> video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.
> Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here:
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
> 
> hope you enjoy.
> 
> ******** Kelley Garcia La Habra, California USA
> 
> 

That press sure looks familiar...

HMM I have one just like it but without the fancy upgrades... Mine is
all hand powered and yours appears to have a stainless? tray in the
bottom. Mine has a soldered tin version.
The kids seem to enjoy running it during our FD BBQ events.

They also get a big kick out of the old corn sheller display I set up. I
usually have a progression from hand shelling through modern combines if
I can talk a dealer into a loan of one with a corn head. What gets real
strange then is that the kids will climb on/in the 'bine but seem
entranced by the old hand cranked single cob sheller! I think it is
mainly because they get to run it and see what it does (I have a cutaway
version setting next to it)

I only wish I had thought to video it... Maybe next fall. I usually set
up something spring related for our early BBQ.
Thought about a chicken display a few years ago but realized it might
make our sales fall off (we do chicken BBQ) due to the folks seeing the
progress from egg through adult birds.

Hmm maybe something along the lines of field prep...
Maybe from early days up through modern no-till gear.

-- 
Steve W.


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Oct 18 22:30:04 2010
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>


I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.  
 
Hope this really helps.
 
Peg Pfeiffer
 
> From: bdb at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> 
> > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of 
> > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > Dave
> > 
> > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> >> who had it.
> >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> >> ever seen. Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was 
> >>> going
> >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a 
> >>> small
> >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just 
> >>> like the
> >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no 
> >>> handle.
> >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know 
> >>> when this
> >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Shulaw
> >> 454 County Road 33
> >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> >> USA
> >>
> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Oct 18 23:12:05 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:12:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com><ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com><9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com><6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <510A066C378D424983ABB92614D3D48C@regpc>

Aw! She said I was the 'only one'
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>> Dave
> 
> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Oct 18 23:13:44 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:13:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C530940DFDA04D338937A4311FF06125@regpc>

Hi Peg. I am in my cups too. Hic!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup


>
> I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay about 
> 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
>
> Hope this really helps.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>> From: bdb at mchsi.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>>
>> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>>
>>
>> > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
>> > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>> >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
>> >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>> >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>> >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
>> >> who had it.
>> >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>> >> ever seen. Mark
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>> >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
>> >>> going
>> >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
>> >>> small
>> >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
>> >>> like the
>> >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
>> >>> handle.
>> >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
>> >>> when this
>> >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> SEL mailing list
>> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark Shulaw
>> >> 454 County Road 33
>> >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> >> USA
>> >>
>> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 03:07:02 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:07:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

I noticed the ignitor was missing from Dave's 16hp Galloway.  Wished i could 
have been there to film Dave working on an engine at a show.  Seems that 
earned me a spot on Youtube years ago!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Oct 19 03:15:16 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:15:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <12D16098-3F74-43DA-82FE-58B248E32348@ncable.com.au>

Hi Kelly, really neat stuff. You guys did tell me the old press was a ripper. Can't argue with that. So how did you get the Lorenz into the back yard!

take care Russ and Carmel
PS: This e-mail was generated also by a Mac! Gave up on the home monster.


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 04:31:59 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <510A066C378D424983ABB92614D3D48C@regpc>
Message-ID: <577294.55402.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think you got that wrong Reg, what she said was "One at a time".

Joe
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:


From: Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 1:12 AM


Aw! She said I was the 'only one'
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



      

From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Oct 19 07:24:37 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>

That sounds like one of those red handled kitchen measure cups thats 
not marked maytag Mark


At 01:30 AM 10/19/2010, you wrote:

>I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay 
>about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
>
>Hope this really helps.
>
>Peg Pfeiffer
>
> > From: bdb at mchsi.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> >
> > I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> >
> >
> > > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
> > > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> > >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> > >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> > >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> > >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> > >> who had it.
> > >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> > >> ever seen. Mark
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> > >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
> > >>> going
> > >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
> > >>> small
> > >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
> > >>> like the
> > >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
> > >>> handle.
> > >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
> > >>> when this
> > >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> SEL mailing list
> > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mark Shulaw
> > >> 454 County Road 33
> > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > >> USA
> > >>
> > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> SEL mailing list
> > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 19 08:46:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:46:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
Message-ID: <9fe89e42747001502f3fa96970db21e4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pass on Tulare 2011 or pass on Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage?
I'll never tell Bambi or Nitro if that was the concern...

On Mon, October 18, 2010 10:44 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>>> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
>>> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.





From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Oct 19 09:57:05 2010
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>,
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>,
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>,
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>,
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>,
	<20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W371CE3F6C31AFDB7D1A2ECE75B0@phx.gbl>


NO it has the Maytag script embossed in the metal, and they are still found once in a while at auction, so I really think it is the real deal, since I remember using one just like it at my Grandmothers on her farm.
 
Peg
 
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:37 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> That sounds like one of those red handled kitchen measure cups thats 
> not marked maytag Mark
> 
> 
> At 01:30 AM 10/19/2010, you wrote:
> 
> >I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay 
> >about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
> >
> >Hope this really helps.
> >
> >Peg Pfeiffer
> >
> > > From: bdb at mchsi.com
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> > >
> > > I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> > >
> > >
> > > > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
> > > > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> > > >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> > > >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> > > >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> > > >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> > > >> who had it.
> > > >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> > > >> ever seen. Mark
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> > > >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
> > > >>> going
> > > >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
> > > >>> small
> > > >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
> > > >>> like the
> > > >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
> > > >>> handle.
> > > >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
> > > >>> when this
> > > >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> SEL mailing list
> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark Shulaw
> > > >> 454 County Road 33
> > > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > > >> USA
> > > >>
> > > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> SEL mailing list
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From amkimmell at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 15:34:01 2010
From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:34:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
Message-ID: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hey guys,
I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?

Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg

Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

-Tony


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Oct 19 18:20:15 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:20:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>


I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 19:05:52 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:05:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <007a01cb6ffb$533c0d30$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Tommy, I will be there.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> 
> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 19 19:46:17 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:46:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
Message-ID: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.

Tim Christoff
Basehor KS.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>Tommy, I will be there.
>
>MR
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> 
>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
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Tim Christoff


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Oct 19 21:21:11 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:21:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E64B7E19BDFB453FA223AC8362D91876@regpc>

Sharp Tim! Very sharp!!
Still sniggering!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>_______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 19 22:19:01 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:19:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been collected. 
You can't keep it!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he could use...

On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Oct 19 23:48:28 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:48:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>

OOOH!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been 
> collected.
> You can't keep it!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he could 
> use...
>
> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor KS.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>
>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>
>>>MR
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>
>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone 
>>>> could
>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 03:36:43 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:36:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000801cb7042$b0673f60$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

It pleases me to say I have no blue tarps!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
> Tim Christoff
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 03:38:05 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:38:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net><f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>
Message-ID: <001701cb7042$e14e7940$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Oh to suffer the slings and arrows of one's friends!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> OOOH!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been
>> collected.
>> You can't keep it!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he 
>> could
>> use...
>>
>> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>> Basehor KS.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>>
>>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>>
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule 
>>>>> has
>>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone
>>>>> could
>>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 20 03:49:15 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:49:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net><f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>
	<001701cb7042$e14e7940$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <17EEECFD27B844DD9F407EF192EA4706@regpc>

Mike, mate, where would we be without the repartee??
It gives us our daily smile!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> Oh to suffer the slings and arrows of one's friends!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> OOOH!!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold
>> Newcastle NSW Australia
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been
>>> collected.
>>> You can't keep it!
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he
>>> could
>>> use...
>>>
>>> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Christoff
>>>> Basehor KS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>>>
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 05:12:06 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:12:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>

I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced  
him to Takesha.
	Dave

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>> 	Dave
>
> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From gop4evr at lsol.net  Wed Oct 20 06:22:02 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:22:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <A9CB9BC9-4EAD-41CA-9782-728719917FEC@lsol.net>

I'm having some trouble with the photo, but yes, Sears did sell a lot of farm related equipment under the Farm Master logo.  Much of it was built by David Bradley corp., but there were several other suppliers.  Winco made some of the generators.  I'm sure there was at least one other manufacturer of some of their generators, but memory is not coming up with it right now.  In many cases, the stand-alone equipment was the same unit as was used with the tractors, just with different mounts.  A picture would help confirm that.


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
> _______________________________________________
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From gop4evr at lsol.net  Wed Oct 20 06:28:23 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:28:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>

The picture finally did come up after I sent out my earlier reply.  I can't see enough of the generator end to verify if it is one of the gens I'm familiar with.  Can you get a pic of the tail end of that beast?  


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
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From amkimmell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 06:51:41 2010
From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:51:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>
Message-ID: <1024619482-1287582702-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-898379185-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Nels,
I'll get a better pic today when I go by.  It's in a town about an hour away that I go through while making deliveries.  The guy said I was the first one to ask about it.

-Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson Johnsrud <gop4evr at lsol.net>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:28:23 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set

The picture finally did come up after I sent out my earlier reply.  I can't see enough of the generator end to verify if it is one of the gens I'm familiar with.  Can you get a pic of the tail end of that beast?  


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 10:00:39 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:00:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
References: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>,
	<8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <COL112-W56F477C522B147A33A8119955C0@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy, I have room in my shed for any of your new camstopper collectibles!   Steve

 
> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:20:15 -0400
> Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
> 
> 
> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
> weekend. I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
> changed and I can't be there. Its not a large item and if someone could
> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
> connect with them it would be a great help. Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 13:05:11 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <788528D9-16C8-405A-B92C-00C56E6FF77F@me.com>

I think the difference was Mike that after I cleaned ti igniter the  
Galloway started right up and ran.
	Dave

On Oct 19, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Mike Royster wrote:

> I noticed the ignitor was missing from Dave's 16hp Galloway.  Wished  
> i could
> have been there to film Dave working on an engine at a show.  Seems  
> that
> earned me a spot on Youtube years ago!!!!
>
> MR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton  
>> Ginning Days
>> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
>> photos and
>> here they are.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
>> >
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Curt Holland
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 20 13:26:10 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:26:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com><ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com><9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com><6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com><633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
	<2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>
Message-ID: <6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>

That adds a new take to the title of this mail!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


>I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced  
> him to Takesha.
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>
>>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>> Dave
>>
>> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
>> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From madolp8 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 14:31:19 2010
From: madolp8 at yahoo.com (Michael A. Dolph)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <954350.6819.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.? 1 1/2 hp, type L low tension mag.? 
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this?might be a good winter project.? I have two 
questions.? First, a source for instruction manuals/parts.? Second, are any of 
you guys near Cincinnati,?Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for a 
lesson?????????

mike


      



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 15:40:16 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
In-Reply-To: <954350.6819.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <271374.54953.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Manuals and parts.
google Hit & Miss Enterprises 

Or just go to http://www.hitnmiss.com/
Click on 








Scroll down to IHC-McCormick
Then click on Model "M"
?
Alan
?

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Michael A. Dolph <madolp8 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Michael A. Dolph <madolp8 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 5:31 PM


Hi folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.? 1 1/2 hp, type L low tension mag.? 
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this?might be a good winter project.? I have two 
questions.? First, a source for instruction manuals/parts.? Second, are any of 
you guys near Cincinnati,?Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for a 
lesson?????????

mike


? ? ? 

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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 17:11:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:11:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
	<2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>
	<6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>
Message-ID: <ADDBA2E4-415C-4D5A-861D-42C8A288E79A@me.com>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
	Dave

On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> That adds a new take to the title of this mail!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
>
>
>> I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced
>> him to Takesha.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
>>> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Oct 20 17:56:41 2010
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:56:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <149e80.38184300.39f0e9c9@aol.com>

Hey Mike;
I live on the East side of Cincinnati near Goshen, OH. I just happen  to 
have a show ready 1.5 hp "M" in the barn that you can use as a  restoration 
pattern. Contact me off list or look me up in the Cincy phone  book..
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2010 6:08:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
madolp8 at yahoo.com writes:

Hi  folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.  1 1/2 hp,  type L low tension 
mag.  
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged  and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this might be a  good winter project.  I have two 
questions.  First, a source for  instruction manuals/parts.  Second, are 
any of 
you guys near  Cincinnati, Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for 
a  
lesson?        

mike




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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 22 00:27:56 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:27:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1931 Fairbanks Morse Type Y, Style H, 10 HP Brass Plate
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101022092332.01e4a700@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Can anyone out there please help with a better picture of this 
brass plate?

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/DataplateHB_crop.JPG>

         I would preferably need higher resolution, taken straight on and 
without any shadows. I have a broadband connection so original (from the 
camera and not reduced for e-mail) pictures would be best.

         Many thanks in advance.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:18:05 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:18:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
Message-ID: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>


Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale2010/allendale2010.html
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiR2cdQWmbA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7981a6W74dc
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS73cGlXs6Y
 

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan
USA 

 		 	   		  

From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 10:41:44 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:41:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
Message-ID: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>

Passing this along for everyones information.
	Dave

Begin forwarded message:

> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> To: rotigel at me.com
> Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
> notification
>
> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
>
> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> Location: Ontario, Canada
>
> Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below.
>
> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of  
> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of  
> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone  
> numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best  
> call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at the  
> Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
>
> Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>
> See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php
>
> To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following  
> link:
>
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
>
> The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
> http://www.enginads.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 13:26:41 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:26:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
Message-ID: <239327.4b700fb1.39f34d81@aol.com>

Dave,
 
Any idea what Kenny did to violate some law?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 22 13:40:20 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:40:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal immigrants crossing
the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard working guy
like Ken Meeks.

This is bullshit!

On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> 	Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>
>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
>>
>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts





From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 13:39:09 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:39:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <20101022203909.C754A9394@smtp.wcoil.com>



Any idea what stupid new rule the Border Guards are enforcing that 
the IDIOT Bureaucrats have brought on? I feel the iron curtain 
getting more constrictive all the time!
We better not be in too much a hurry for that fence on the southern 
border, WE might want to get out!!    Mark



At 01:41 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>Passing this along for everyones information.
>         Dave
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> > Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> > To: rotigel at me.com
> > Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
> > notification
> >
> > Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
> >
> > Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> > Location: Ontario, Canada
> >
> >>
> > Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> > my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> > that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone
> > numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best
> > call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at the
> > Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
> >
> > Link to the ad: 
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
> >
> > See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php
> >
> > To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following
> > link:
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
> >
> > The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
> > http://www.enginads.com
>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 14:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>

And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like 
time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I 
am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together 
an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then 
forward to the powers that be?    Mark



At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal 
>immigrants crossing
>the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard 
>working guy
>like Ken Meeks.
>
>This is bullshit!
>
>On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> > Passing this along for everyones information.
> >       Dave
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> >> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> >>
> >> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
> >>
> >> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> >> Location: Ontario, Canada
> >>
> >> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> >> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> >> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 15:03:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:03:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <239327.4b700fb1.39f34d81@aol.com>
References: <239327.4b700fb1.39f34d81@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48F87FE5-FE70-463C-BE25-16A06CDD2742@me.com>

I have no idea Tom. I do know that when someone tells you something  
like this you have usually heard 1/2 of the story. (This is  
particularly true if the person talking to you is going through a  
divorce, but is also, a good general rule to keep in mind.) I know,  
also, that 5 years is a long time!
	Dave
PS, I also know that EVERY time I've ever received a speeding ticket I  
smile to myself and recall the MANY times I have broken the trafic  
laws and did not get caught!

On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Any idea what Kenny did to violate some law?
>
> Tom  Schmutz


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 15:13:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:13:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>

Hi Mark,
	With all due respect to both you and Arnie it might be a good idea to  
get all the facts before anyone thinks about some sort of "petition or  
something." Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that  
Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
	Dave
PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I  
have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering  
machine best call after supper thanks:

On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>> immigrants crossing
>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard
>> working guy
>> like Ken Meeks.
>>
>> This is bullshit!
>>
>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>      Dave
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>
>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you  
>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>
>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 16:04:25 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:04:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
Message-ID: <20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave,
  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and 
Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on 
each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by 
real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist 
activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not 
involved with without even asking.
    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or 
something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who 
knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair 
day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one 
to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs 
inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell 
without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support 
for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark


At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>         " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>         Dave
>PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>machine best call after supper thanks:
>
>On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
> > time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
> > am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
> > an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
> > forward to the powers that be?    Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
> >> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
> >> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
> >> immigrants crossing
> >> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard
> >> working guy
> >> like Ken Meeks.
> >>
> >> This is bullshit!
> >>
> >> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> >>> Passing this along for everyones information.
> >>>      Dave
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> >>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
> >>>> subscribe to.
> >>>>
> >>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> >>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
> >>>>
> >>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> >>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> >>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 County Road 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 21:42:36 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
Message-ID: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This one came home today:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html

The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
arrival).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Oct 22 13:05:04 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:05:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad
	uploadnotification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEDICCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Please 'splain this to us!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On 
> Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:42 PM
> To: slick at toltbbs.com; The SEL email discussion list; 
> Antique tractor
> email discussion group
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad
> uploadnotification
> 
> 
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> 	Dave
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category 
> you subscribe to.
> >
> > Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> > Location: Ontario, Canada
> >
> > Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at 
> the link below.
> >
> > Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 
> years. Because of  
> > my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I 
> did not know of  
> > that, 

.................snip....................


From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 04:03:38 2010
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:03:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W5557755D504F534E952CFED05F0@phx.gbl>


351 is a very pretty engine,very similar to the standard Petter base.  Thanks.

> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
> 
> This one came home today:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
> 
> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
> arrival).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From oldironnut at windstream.net  Sat Oct 23 05:27:03 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:27:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>

On 10/22/10 1:18 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.

Nice pictures and video, Like. What brand was the crossmotor 17-30 tractor?

Thanks,
Mike


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 23 06:24:08 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:24:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
In-Reply-To: <16A020A032AB47C09393913F2C3D2705@regpc>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<16A020A032AB47C09393913F2C3D2705@regpc>
Message-ID: <68BE46AA-5E75-4F00-A1E5-8B7ADB672447@me.com>

Hi Reg and Elden,
	All I know for sure is what was on Harry's "Classified" all of which  
I passed on to Slick and SEL. I'm not even sure if the problem arose  
on the US or the CA side of the border. I think we all have lots of  
questions, but the "facts" are hard to come by as of the moment. If I  
learn of anything I KNOW to be true, I'll post it to the lists--but  
don't hold your breath!
	Dave
PS, I do know that Ken was at Coolspring for the show on the 15th of  
October. So the problem must have occurred as he was going back into  
Canada.
PPS, http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584  
will take you directly to Ken's post on Harry's classified. (and to  
several responses there.)

On Oct 23, 2010, at 4:13 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Ok, I, for one, would really like to hear ALL the facts on this scene,
> It has a LOT  to do with us all worldwide!
> So, tell us so WE aint caught by the same (Choice of words) crap.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Rotigel
> To: slick at toltbbs.com ; The SEL email discussion list ; Antique  
> tractor email discussion group
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:41 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
> notification
>
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>> To: rotigel at me.com
>> Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
>> notification
>>
>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe  
>> to.
>>
>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below.
>>
>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of  
>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of  
>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone  
>> numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best  
>> call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at  
>> the Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
>>
>> Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/ 
>> auctions.php
>>
>> To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following  
>> link:
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
>>
>> The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
>> http://www.enginads.com
>
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 23 07:52:19 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:52:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1fd6c0bb7aef8f9cb37128da4ac26f4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

SWEET!!!!!

On Sat, October 23, 2010 12:42 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> This one came home today:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
>
> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
> arrival).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 00:27:07 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:27:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
Message-ID: <C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This will be a nice engine when I get it going. It needs a few parts:
Fuel pump and handle
Crank guard (early style)
Vaporiser
Timing valve & linkages
Carby (early style with central wing nut)
Fuel valve & linkages as well as roller & pin.
Air valve rocker & roller.
If anyone has any bits lying around it would be a great help.
The biggest mechanical problem is the crankshaft. If you look at this pic
you can see two pieces of metal bolted onto the flywheel (across the
spokes).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral1.jpg
I could not work out why they were there until I checked the alignment of
the flywheels with each other. The sideshaft side flywheel is about 5
degrees out of true. The pieces of metal must have been attached to
rebalance the engine.
This is the one weak point on Australs. The crankshaft is made up of 5
pieces pressed together and occasionally one of the shafts will rotate
leaving the flywheels out of position and therefore out of balance.
There are two options to deal with this problem. Pull off the flywheels,
press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place. The
other option is to pull of the flywheel, weld up the shaft and cut a new
keyway. Both are big jobs but both possible. Opinions?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mike17257 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 02:35:33 2010
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:35:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <ActzTNzXGzMcMN9AEd+3EwAbY5HRwg==>
	<C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>

Patrick,

the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
(original and new) overlapped.

Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!

regards,

Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:

> This will be a nice engine when I get it going. It needs a few parts:
> Fuel pump and handle
> Crank guard (early style)
> Vaporiser
> Timing valve & linkages
> Carby (early style with central wing nut)
> Fuel valve & linkages as well as roller & pin.
> Air valve rocker & roller.
> If anyone has any bits lying around it would be a great help.
> The biggest mechanical problem is the crankshaft. If you look at this pic
> you can see two pieces of metal bolted onto the flywheel (across the
> spokes).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral1.jpg
> I could not work out why they were there until I checked the alignment of
> the flywheels with each other. The sideshaft side flywheel is about 5
> degrees out of true. The pieces of metal must have been attached to
> rebalance the engine.
> This is the one weak point on Australs. The crankshaft is made up of 5
> pieces pressed together and occasionally one of the shafts will rotate
> leaving the flywheels out of position and therefore out of balance.
> There are two options to deal with this problem. Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place. The
> other option is to pull of the flywheel, weld up the shaft and cut a new
> keyway. Both are big jobs but both possible. Opinions?
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 05:21:15 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:21:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
In-Reply-To: <4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>
References: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>,
	<4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W639987C0EB6892164A7AC3C8410@phx.gbl>


Hi Mike,
 
It is a Minneapolis. Not a Minneapolis Moline, just Minneapolis.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 
-----------------------------------------------

 
> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:27:03 -0400
> From: oldironnut at windstream.net
> 
> On 10/22/10 1:18 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> > Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.
> 
> Nice pictures and video, Like. What brand was the crossmotor 17-30 tractor?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
 		 	   		  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 25 09:17:28 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
Message-ID: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:28:01 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:28:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w50C1E3FEB9C39DF3D0F7EC2410@phx.gbl>


try DHL or USPS
 
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:17:28 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
> 
> Folks,
> 
> A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
> It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky. The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.
> 
> Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
> a cheaper option?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
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From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Oct 25 10:22:00 2010
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:22:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>

USPS seems to have the corner on the market for small parcels to foreign
countries.  You may be up against some restrictions on package size with a
stroller, but the usps.gov website will pretty quickly tell you what your
cost will be.

Bill Brueck
   Pine Island, MN USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in
Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500
from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that
might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 11:21:11 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <33192.13606.qm@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Part of my job is to set up shipments of parts to and from our parent company, Karton SpA, in Italy. I have had very good results with shipping via DHL.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 11:17 AM


Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.? The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Oct 25 14:12:49 2010
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:12:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>
Message-ID: <4CC5F2D1.5040704@frontier.com>

Bill Brueck wrote:
> USPS seems to have the corner on the market for small parcels to foreign
> countries.  You may be up against some restrictions on package size with a
> stroller, but the usps.gov website will pretty quickly tell you what your
> cost will be.
> 
> Bill Brueck
>    Pine Island, MN USA

USPS contracts with UPS for most of their package delivery now. They are
still usually cheaper than dealing directly with UPS though.

The catch is finding a PO that KNOWS how to handle international
shipments. My BIL has lived in Japan for about 8 years now and we ship
stuff over about every 6 months, plus holidays and birthdays. We have a
choice of 4 offices that we can use but have discovered that only 2 of
them know what they are doing and one actually is helpful about
international stuff. The one closest to us can barely sort the mail
properly and when we tried to send a small box out it got all screwed
up. Another one didn't have any of the proper forms or customs
declarations so that didn't fly. In the end one that is near the wifes
job really came out ahead. they not only have all the proper paperwork
they even have staff that KNOW what to do with it.


-- 
Steve W.



From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 25 17:06:46 2010
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:06:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <77D8D9AB61474FB984C97C350F6C91E6@Dads>

I shipped a 3/4" steam injector to the UK a couple years ago, air mail with 
USPS for around $38. I'm sure something that bulky won't be cheap.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Stationary Engine 
List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium


> Folks,
>
> A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in 
> Belgium.
> It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 
> from UPS.
>
> Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that 
> might be
> a cheaper option?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:14:50 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:14:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I will probably push the shaft out and fix it that way. I could replace it
with another complete crankshaft but that would ruin the fact that it has
the original number (351) stamped on both ends. I also think the distance
between the bearings may be different to other Australs of the same size.
Another odd thing I have noticed is that there is no boss on the side of the
crankcase to mount the fuel pump. You can see it here on my 1917 engine (to
the right of the picture below the sidshaft):
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc04/DSCF0022.JPG

No.351 does not have the boss so the pump and handle are mounted quite
differently:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral7.jpg

This is an odd Austral.
Patrick



On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
> (original and new) overlapped.
> 
> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!
> 
> regards,
> 
> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia
> 
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:




From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 25 19:34:00 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:34:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C45E94-60D5-402A-8111-F79FE8A82A00@me.com>

Hi Patrick, It's a simple task to cut/grind 1/16" off both ends of the  
crank and then stamp "351" in both ends.
	Dave

On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> I will probably push the shaft out and fix it that way. I could  
> replace it
> with another complete crankshaft but that would ruin the fact that  
> it has
> the original number (351) stamped on both ends. I also think the  
> distance
> between the bearings may be different to other Australs of the same  
> size.
> Another odd thing I have noticed is that there is no boss on the  
> side of the
> crankcase to mount the fuel pump. You can see it here on my 1917  
> engine (to
> the right of the picture below the sidshaft):
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc04/DSCF0022.JPG
>
> No.351 does not have the boss so the pump and handle are mounted quite
> differently:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral7.jpg
>
> This is an odd Austral.
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
>> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in  
>> place."  But
>> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the  
>> key ways
>> (original and new) overlapped.
>>
>> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice.  
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
>> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 26 04:13:34 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <1486807024.4281288091614727.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Arnie,
Why not treat the stroller as if it were Old Rusty Iron and ship via a container thru Lee Pederson or one of the other engine boys.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17:28 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Oct 26 18:07:47 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
	<20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4BDCA1B2-C47A-4794-B24C-8A12B42493F0@me.com>

Hi Mark,
	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584) 
  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
	Dave
PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone  
wishes to ask him personally.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
> involved with without even asking.
>    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>
>
> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>        Dave
>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,  
>>>> hard
>>>> working guy
>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>
>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct 27 04:11:07 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:11:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
Message-ID: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Oct 27 08:01:36 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:01:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
In-Reply-To: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>
References: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D4975@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Oct 27 08:07:04 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:07:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <4BDCA1B2-C47A-4794-B24C-8A12B42493F0@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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Sure would be nice if Kenny would fess up on what they caught him on.
He said it was due to ignorance on his part and that something had changed he didn't know about.

So it would be nice if he enlightened the rest who do hobby related stuff on both sides of the border, so others don't get caught in the same situation.

I'm curious, just not curious enough to call him.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:08 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload notification

Hi Mark,
	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584) 
  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
	Dave
PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone  
wishes to ask him personally.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
> involved with without even asking.
>    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>
>
> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>        Dave
>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,  
>>>> hard
>>>> working guy
>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>
>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
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>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 27 10:13:16 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:13:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
Message-ID: <BAY127-W5B4752642DA7CFF2D395BCB430@phx.gbl>


In the not helpful department, most of the high-end strollers are made in Europe anyway - Emmaljunga, for instance - shipping a stroller (US made) to Europe is sending corn cobs to Newcastle.

http://www.emmaljunga.com/english/index.php

Besides, the boss's daughter is a babe.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 10:39:44 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:39:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
	Miss Engines
Message-ID: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>

Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
To: jdohagan at comcast.net
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
Engines

I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines


> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>
> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". Put your 
> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>
> Notice from Enginads:
> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money 
> orders!
> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking price.
> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their 
> shipper.
> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are 
> responsible!
> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to 
> report abuse. 




From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 15:57:24 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:57:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit
	and	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>

Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything  
about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting  
on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked  
and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else  
found anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  
> Miss
> Engines
>
> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss  
> Engines
>
>
>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>
>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".  
>> Put your
>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> Notice from Enginads:
>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>> orders!
>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking  
>> price.
>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their
>> shipper.
>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are
>> responsible!
>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to
>> report abuse.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 17:34:23 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:34:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +
	Hitand	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
	<C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
Message-ID: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>

No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything  
about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting  
on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked  
and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else  
found anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  
> Miss
> Engines
>
> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss  
> Engines
>
>
>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>
>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".  
>> Put your
>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> Notice from Enginads:
>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>> orders!
>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking  
>> price.
>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their
>> shipper.
>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are
>> responsible!
>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to
>> report abuse.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct 27 19:26:19 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:26:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
Message-ID: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>

Hi George I need his correct email address, as it should be written. Tell
him his letter arrived. He has email but not real savy.
He gave me bdsmith at nctv but it bounces.
Regards
Peter



I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 19:27:25 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:27:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
 Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
	<C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
	<0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>

Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>> Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>> price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you  
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers  
>>> to
>>> report abuse.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 19:28:47 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:28:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D49BA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
	<20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4BDCA1B2-C47A-4794-B24C-8A12B42493F0@me.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D49BA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <1B506536-E94F-4840-955B-2EED561DBCDB@me.com>

Many wonder--no one responds!
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Sure would be nice if Kenny would fess up on what they caught him on.
> He said it was due to ignorance on his part and that something had  
> changed he didn't know about.
>
> So it would be nice if he enlightened the rest who do hobby related  
> stuff on both sides of the border, so others don't get caught in the  
> same situation.
>
> I'm curious, just not curious enough to call him.
>
> George
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad  
> upload notification
>
> Hi Mark,
> 	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584)
>  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
> 	Dave
> PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone
> wishes to ask him personally.
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
>> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
>> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
>> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
>> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
>> involved with without even asking.
>>   Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
>> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
>> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
>> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
>> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
>> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
>> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
>> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>> I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
>> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>>
>>
>> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>       " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>>       Dave
>>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,
>>>>> hard
>>>>> working guy
>>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>>    Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Shulaw
>>>> 454 County Road 33
>>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw
>> 454 County Road 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> USA
>>
>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 20:01:47 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:01:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <F6C45E94-60D5-402A-8111-F79FE8A82A00@me.com>
Message-ID: <C8EF32CB.6109%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I thought I would take the more subtle approach and do as little damage to
the engine as possible.


On 26/10/10 1:34 PM, "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick, It's a simple task to cut/grind 1/16" off both ends of the
> crank and then stamp "351" in both ends.
> Dave

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 20:05:08 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:05:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8EF3394.610B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have been taking a closer look. The flywheels definitely do not line up
but the keyways do (although the pulley on one side makes it hard to see).
Once I get the pulley off I should be able to see more clearly of the
problem is the crankshaft or the flywheel. The owner of another early
Austral said that his spokes do not quite line up as the keyways were not
cut correctly in the factory!
Patrick


On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
> (original and new) overlapped.
> 
> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!
> 
> regards,
> 
> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 20:57:51 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:57:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F><C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com><0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
	<97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
Message-ID: <867F31DB9FAD4B8D9AF55D26830BE98C@VALUED3253602F>

YOU BETCHA!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>> Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>> price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you  
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers  
>>> to
>>> report abuse.
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 27 23:09:28 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:09:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
	Miss Engines
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F><C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com><0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
	<97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
Message-ID: <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc>

Forgetting the bullshit side, most of us would like to see the facts of what 
occurred, if only to be aware of it all.
I am sure the 'error' was not intended, knowing most engine folk are FAR 
superior to Pollies.
(if you want pollie shit, see what this lot here are trying to work on us re 
their 'energy plan' etc.)
Enough! The blood pressure is rising!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand 
Miss Engines


> Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
> Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +
>> Hitand
>> Miss Engines
>>
>> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
>> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
>> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
>> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
>> found anything?
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>>> Miss
>>> Engines
>>>
>>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>>> Engines
>>>
>>>
>>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>>
>>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>>> Put your
>>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>>
>>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>>
>>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>>> orders!
>>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>>> price.
>>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or
>>>> their
>>>> shipper.
>>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you
>>>> are
>>>> responsible!
>>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers
>>>> to
>>>> report abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 02:52:28 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
	Miss Engines
Message-ID: <d6d7e.3b18e0c1.39faa1dc@aol.com>

It would be my feeling that Ken forgot to pay some driving tickets as we  
all know what he drove around in. I have a friend that was band from Canada 
for  5 years this year as he had a DWI 3 years ago. If the USA has to  worry 
about Ken Meeks being a threat to my country were in deep shit. 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 12:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jdohagan at comcast.net writes:

YOU  BETCHA!

-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM
To:  The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your  ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Thanks Jimmy, Do you  think Ken's silence means anything?
Dave

On Oct 27,  2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here  was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>  [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David   
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To:  The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about  your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss  Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken  tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've  had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced  difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I  can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
>      Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan  wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week.  Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent:  Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To:  jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on  Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>>  Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack  but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To:  <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34  PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale:  Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person  that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put  your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy  O'Hagan
>>>
>>>  http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>>  Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's  checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme  will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>>  price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to  them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>>  Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you   
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's  originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers   
>>> to
>>> report  abuse.
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 28 03:20:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:20:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <ABDEAEFE56C344AB9B950C6F4AC44018@PeterPC>

Hi all
Found this reference page on many brands of lathes, thought it might be of interest to someone.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html

I picked up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below. Mine is marketed as Tulloch from Sydney.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/veem/

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 03:59:50 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:59:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <512a.ff93758.39fab1a6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 6:22:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I picked  up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below


Hey Peter,
 
That is a nice looking lathe your Dad had!  I have an older South Bend  and 
a SB school manual from the 60's.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Oct 28 04:22:23 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:22:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
References: <512a.ff93758.39fab1a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DC083DA3127442981D035D16139D9B3@regpc>

I thought that too.
My 12 inch swing 'angular looking' Chinese lathe is a great tool but there 
IS a classy look about a lot of tools.
The older Nuttal 15 inch swing is also a wonderful tool but, the Chink is a 
newer unit and IS accurate to within a thou.
I can do a 5 inch bore with less than a thou variation. Works for me.
As an aside, years back, I worked out that if I NEEDED a machine, I hit the 
wallet/ bank account, and bought it. Used it and finally,when done, sold it. 
ALWAYS a lot better than stuffing around with worn out second + hand 
discards.
Making 'stuff' is hard enough without using less than good machinery.
Also, on the last USA trip, I got a digital vernier from Harbor Freight that 
has FRACTIONS! along with Metric and imperial. I got it just to show the 
friends here! Awesome!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE


>
> In a message dated 10/28/2010 6:22:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> plowe at exemail.com.au writes:
>
> I picked  up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below
>
>
> Hey Peter,
>
> That is a nice looking lathe your Dad had!  I have an older South Bend 
> and
> a SB school manual from the 60's.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 04:52:28 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:52:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 7:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

Also, on  the last USA trip, I got a digital vernier from Harbor Freight 
that 
has  FRACTIONS! along with Metric and imperial. I got it just to show the  
friends here! Awesome!!


Last year I bought an 8 inch long, digital inch/metric Mitutoyo vernier at  
an engine show from a flea market vendor.  He was asking $15 and I got it  
for $12!  When I picked it up, I turned it on and everything worked,  
repeated to zero a dozen times, looked for something bent, broken, scratched,  
etc.  Nothing.  I finally asked him if he would take $12 for it and he  
accepted stating he did not even know what it was.  I left a very happy  camper.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 28 05:18:40 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:18:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Hey guys and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
ground wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
last days.
So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt Holland




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 28 05:44:56 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:44:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I guess I'd be afraid of the whole thing.... if the one is "broken" (or
chewed?) how do we know the one right next to it isn't ready to go? Or bad
in other places, ready to go...?

Paranoid me - I run underground wire inside of plastic conduit.
With all the critters running around chewing on things, i trust nothing.

Bill

> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
> ground wires are both good.
> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
> last days.
> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>
> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
> Curt Holland
>
>
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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Thu Oct 28 05:49:24 2010
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:49:24 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <02ae01cadf0c$de8e4db0$9baae910$@galvotec.com>

Curt,
Mark the line location.
Lay a temporary wire above ground but away from the underground route.
Connect it to the black wire at one end.
Connect the signal generator to that wire and the black wire at the other
end .
Use the tracer offset from the original line location.
Best Regards,

Jim Dragoset
Cathodic Protection Specialist
Galvotec Corrosion Services, LLC
ph 504 362 7373
Cell 504 329 5883


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:19 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Hey guys and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes bad.
After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I have
determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and ground
wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the signal
to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the last
days.
So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt Holland


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 05:50:25 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:50:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>

Curt, how about calling the phone company underground wiring ID guy.  He could hook just to the black wire.

Also check where any large trucks, traffic has driven over the wire.  Rodents maybe.

Dig the wire up halfway and use the ohm meter again....sure you know the drill from there.

Last but not least...just use the two good wires.  My Montana Power supplied yard light (overhead wires) has only two wires to it.

Good luck,
RickinMt.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: curt at rustyiron.com<mailto:curt at rustyiron.com> 
  To: The SEL email discussion list<mailto:sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:18 AM
  Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting


  Hey guys and gals,
  Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
  troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
  12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
  of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
  The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
  learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
  bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
  have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
  ground wires are both good.
  Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
  hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
  Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
  conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
  wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
  signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
  last days.
  So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
  Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
  tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

  Looking forward to your creative ideas.
  Curt Holland


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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 06:00:27 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:00:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqTM+-NqGkRt3XOCbbyiPGzWamd-DhOHK3Ydxh@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, nothing creative here. I have used, and may still have, wire tracers,
but they didn't always work properly for me, but there is usually metal
conduit and such to help interfere.
The worst problem that I had was inside the conduit of a motor circuit. The
wire passed current just fine until it got hot and then blew the fuse; it
turned out to be a soldered splice in the run. In other words, there may not
be a full break, just a 'weak' spot that will show continuity, but not hold
up after a time with current. In my case, it wasn't obvious until I pulled
the wires after hours of trouble shooting.
Maybe a shovel is in order for this job. I side with Bill on this one; how
bad are the other wires? And I'd use the conduit, too.

Paul in California


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 06:21:47 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:21:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
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On 28 October 2010 13:18,  <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.

Curt:

I'd suggest the same as the other guys, but you coulfd also connect
the white/black ends together at one end and check continuity for the
pair at the other.

We use SWA (Stranded Wire Armoured) cable for outdoor/underground use,
it stops rodents and moles from eating the cable insulation and with
withstand a shovel or pickaxe blow.

Either way, whatever the fault is, I'd replace with a new cable, and
if it is going underground the get concrete ducting.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 06:46:34 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:46:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2E6D2EBE4044681D89489BB440@phx.gbl>

HIGH VOLTAGE to the black wire.  Where the angle worms come out of the ground is the break.  I did this as a kid but don't remember the voltage and we used a long electrified spike.

High tension lead off a buzz coil to the black wire.  As you know this radiates RF energy which an A.M radio tuned to an off station will pickup and convert to audio.  Maybe the audio will deplete as you go past the break.

All kinds of brain farts this mornin', eh?

Rick


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 28 06:51:27 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
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I'd second that Bill!
	Dave

On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:44 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> I guess I'd be afraid of the whole thing....
> Bill
>
>> Hey guys and gals,
>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help  
>> with
>> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the  
>> house is a
>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a  
>> couple
>> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was  
>> surprised to
>> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely  
>> goes
>> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm  
>> meter, I
>> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral)  
>> and
>> ground wires are both good.
>> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and  
>> tracer. We
>> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
>> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire  
>> will
>> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass.  
>> Perhaps the
>> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
>> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of  
>> rain the
>> last days.
>> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole  
>> yard?
>> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so  
>> the
>> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>>
>> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
>> Curt Holland
>>
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 07:42:29 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:42:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>

High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.

Headed for the shed !!!


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu Oct 28 08:15:09 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:15:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>

On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:

> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.


That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.

Mike

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Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 28 08:32:48 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:32:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
In-Reply-To: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F496C589D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Peter,

His email address would be bdsmith at nctv.com

If I see him at the swap meet this weekend I'll tell him to check his email and that you've received his letter.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of plowe at exemail.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi George I need his correct email address, as it should be written. Tell
him his letter arrived. He has email but not real savy.
He gave me bdsmith at nctv but it bounces.
Regards
Peter



I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



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Australia
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 28 11:44:15 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:44:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors
together at the load end or ground all three (whichever works
best).

When the signal generator is connected between the white (the
good wire) and the black (the bad one) and a relatively low
frequency signal is injected, the signal level should decrease
sharply at the point of the break.

In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that
either the cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor
fail -OR- some "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!

I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
cable and replace it with something more substantial.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw
> from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
> From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred
> feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting
> was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad.
.................snip................



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 28 12:27:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:27:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a50a0e3fd0faaf43de0fc29e18787451.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

THIS one I like!!  8-))))

On Thu, October 28, 2010 10:42 am, Richard Strobel wrote:
> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.
> Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>
> Headed for the shed !!!





From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Oct 28 13:02:33 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>


	I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both ends
but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone will
show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when the
signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good time
to lay new wires in plastic conduit.


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Curt:

What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at the
load end or ground all three (whichever works best).

When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire) and
the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is injected,
the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.

In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
"scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!

I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable and
replace it with something more substantial.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of 
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help 
> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
> From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a 
> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised 
> to learn the wire itself is bad.
.................snip................

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 28 13:23:09 2010
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:23:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>
Message-ID: <035101cb76dd$efd9a7e0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174>

I would have just used the ground wire as a hot and been done with it. 
Whats the worst that can happen?  Everything is well grounded, big time!

I once had some 250 MCM aluminum wire turn to powder in the middle of an 
underground run.  The powder would carry enough current to show voltage but 
would carry no amps.  It was a 150 foot run.  I had an epiphany, started 
digging and within 2 feet found the problem.  Maybe you'll get that lucky 
too!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting


>
> I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
> wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
> resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both ends
> but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone 
> will
> show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
> individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when 
> the
> signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good time
> to lay new wires in plastic conduit.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
> willing to work and give to those who would not.
>
> Thomas Jefferson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
> Curt:
>
> What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at 
> the
> load end or ground all three (whichever works best).
>
> When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire) 
> and
> the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is injected,
> the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.
>
> In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
> cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
> "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!
>
> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable and
> replace it with something more substantial.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
>> curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>
>>
>> Hey guys and gals,
>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help
>> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
>> From the house is a
>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a
>> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised
>> to learn the wire itself is bad.
> .................snip................
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 28 13:52:10 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:52:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <035101cb76dd$efd9a7e0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174>
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	<6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>
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And a couple twist connectors, some duct tape, and rebury it, right?


> I would have just used the ground wire as a hot and been done with it.
> Whats the worst that can happen?  Everything is well grounded, big time!
>
> I once had some 250 MCM aluminum wire turn to powder in the middle of an
> underground run.  The powder would carry enough current to show voltage
> but
> would carry no amps.  It was a 150 foot run.  I had an epiphany, started
> digging and within 2 feet found the problem.  Maybe you'll get that lucky
> too!
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
>>
>> I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
>> wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
>> resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both
>> ends
>> but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone
>> will
>> show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
>> individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when
>> the
>> signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good
>> time
>> to lay new wires in plastic conduit.
>>
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> The Eagle's Anvil
>> WB8NQW
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>>
>> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
>> willing to work and give to those who would not.
>>
>> Thomas Jefferson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>
>> Curt:
>>
>> What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at
>> the
>> load end or ground all three (whichever works best).
>>
>> When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire)
>> and
>> the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is
>> injected,
>> the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.
>>
>> In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
>> cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
>> "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!
>>
>> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable
>> and
>> replace it with something more substantial.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
>>> curt at rustyiron.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys and gals,
>>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help
>>> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
>>> From the house is a
>>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a
>>> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised
>>> to learn the wire itself is bad.
>> .................snip................
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 28 14:35:55 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:35:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <731F214E2DA34B7482D87EFC9F8A2308@loungeroom>

Hi Curt

As an Electrical Contractor I would just replace the whole cable otherwise 
it is just like patching leaks in a hose.
Cable is best placed in conduit for protection. Some cables here in Oz years 
ago were buried direct only to be eaten by grubs/worms etc.
Signal tracing is not good as it will go through the wet soil or high 
resistance breaks as act as if cable was OK.
It is obviously not blowing fuses.

Get the shovel out mate and start digging.
Peter, Oz




> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
> ground wires are both good.
> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
> last days.
> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>
> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
> Curt Holland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 14:58:13 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:58:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <SNT107-W5557755D504F534E952CFED05F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It does look a little Petter in the base. It is completely different to the
early pushrod Austral base but is similar to the standard base seen on later
Australs (although they were two pieces).
Patrick


On 23/10/10 10:03 PM, "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 351 is a very pretty engine,very similar to the standard Petter base.  Thanks.
> 
>> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
>> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
>> 
>> This one came home today:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
>> 
>> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
>> arrival).
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>  
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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 28 18:18:00 2010
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:18:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9F56CFCE7EF343CA9CF89BEF648ABE0D@Arthurhplaptop>



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

(snip)

> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
> cable and replace it with something more substantial.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

I'm with you one that one Elden. The fastest way to get back in service, is 
to plant a new cable.

I've lost hours and hours trying to NOT dig up a half dead cable.

My cent and a half.
Arthur S

Arcadia, FL 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Oct 28 20:39:31 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:39:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20101029033930.BAD30930A@smtp.wcoil.com>

I'm with Elden on this one. Bury new.

As far as direct burial for the new or put in conduit, that depends a 
lot on the soil type and weather conditions.  In this area I have had 
the best luck with direct burial but in a bed of sand due to rocks 
and freeze.  Mark


At 02:44 PM 10/28/2010, you wrote:
>I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
>cable and replace it with something more substantial.
>
>Take care - Elden


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

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Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From WurliTzerPgh at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 07:22:57 2010
From: WurliTzerPgh at aol.com (WurliTzerPgh at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:22:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
Message-ID: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>

Maybe someone else has suggested this by now - I haven't read all the  
responses.  Have you tried using a TDR to locate the problem?  That's  short for 
Time Domain Reflectometer.  You connect it to one end and the  readout 
indicates distance along the wire to places where the cables  "characteristic 
impedance" changes.  It will find open circuits, short  circuits, low 
resistance connections and even places where the conductors are  nicked or squeezed. 
 Its an expensive piece of equipment but probably can  be rented someplace 
that rents such stuff.  It works best on coax cable but  I've used it 
successfully on many types of wires.
Jay
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 08:23:00 Eastern Daylight Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

Hey guys  and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need  help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the  house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to  feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights  quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire  itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
bad. After  disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
have  determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
ground  wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal  generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other  to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole  light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current  will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the  wire allowing the
signal to continue on past the break. We've had several  inches of rain the
last days.
So, how do I identify where the break is  w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this  wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the  bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt  Holland


_______________________________________________
SEL  mailing  list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct 29 07:55:02 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Jay,
The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list and I'm chasing one of these.
That's some pretty neat technology. Basically RADAR for wires.
Thanks,
Curt

> Maybe someone else has suggested this by now - I haven't read all the
> responses.  Have you tried using a TDR to locate the problem?  That's
> short for
> Time Domain Reflectometer.  You connect it to one end and the  readout
> indicates distance along the wire to places where the cables
> "characteristic
> impedance" changes.  It will find open circuits, short  circuits, low
> resistance connections and even places where the conductors are  nicked or
> squeezed.
>  Its an expensive piece of equipment but probably can  be rented someplace
> that rents such stuff.  It works best on coax cable but  I've used it
> successfully on many types of wires.
> Jay




From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct 29 08:00:28 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:00:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of
>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>
>
> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his
> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about
> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>
> Mike

Mike,
I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may realize.
How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but haven't
heard much since.
Curt





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Fri Oct 29 08:33:17 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>


On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:00 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>> 
>>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of
>>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>> 
>> 
>> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his
>> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about
>> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>> 
>> Mike
> 
> Mike,
> I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may realize.
> How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but haven't
> heard much since.
> Curt

Curt,

My "not here long" comment was directed at Richard... but Dave's mag tester that I'm thinking of is his "special" neighbor!

Mike
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 29 08:38:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:38:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

         I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
         ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
         ii)Displacement[Lit]  - 0.406
         iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000  6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)


         Or, if you prefer it in Imperial Measurements:
         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
         ii)Bore X Stroke (ins.) - 3.386" X 2.756" (As Near As Dammit)
         iii) Displacement[Cub. ins] - 24.77564
         iv)(Horsepower = 7.6 H.P. at 3000 rpm to 8.4 H.P. at 3600rpm (again, not 
necessary for the calculation but included for interest sake).

         What I need to know is what the pressure should read on my 
compression tester (either in Bar, KG per Sq CM or Lbs per Sq. Inch).

         The piston is flat topped but the head has a smallish domed 
combustion chamber but for these calculations I would think that it is O.K. 
to call it  flat (I realise that this would make the answer greater but I 
only need to be close).

         Alternatively someone may just know what the reading should be and 
you don't need to do all this maths on a Friday afternoon :-)

         I want to do the tests tomorrow morning so would appreciate any 
answers in the next 12 hours please. Bear in mind also that I only get the 
SEL Digest version which is due in about the next 1 1/2 hours so if you are 
reading this on the SEL List please copy the mail to me "Off List" at the 
address above. - Old engine list members do not need to do this. (He gets 
pushy now as well !!!)

         Thanks in advance guys.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 29 08:48:44 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE:  OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
	<b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring?
I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time.  Don't know if I missed some postings or if the project is on hold.

Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings about when it was finished.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Jay,
The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list 
Thanks,
Curt



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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 29 09:01:56 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:01:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>


On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:

>
> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:00 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
>>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>>>
>>>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a  
>>>> walk...barefooted of
>>>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan  
>>> you his
>>> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know  
>>> about
>>> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> Mike,
>> I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may  
>> realize.
>> How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but  
>> haven't
>> heard much since.
>> Curt
>
> Curt,
>
> My "not here long" comment was directed at Richard... but Dave's mag  
> tester that I'm thinking of is his "special" neighbor!
>
> Mike
I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
	Dave



From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Fri Oct 29 10:30:39 2010
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <e8ad68b4-9f98-4cba-a2d8-40b0d11691dc@email.android.com>

A compression ratio of 19:1 should produce pressures of about 19 bar.

Pete.


"Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>Hi All,
>    It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
>problem out :-)
>
>         I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
>Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.
>
>Here are the details that I have:
>         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
>         ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
>         ii)Displacement[Lit]  - 0.406
>     iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000  6.3/3600 (not necessary 
>for the calculation but included for interest sake)
>
>
>         Or, if you prefer it in Imperial Measurements:
>         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
>         ii)Bore X Stroke (ins.) - 3.386" X 2.756" (As Near As Dammit)
>         iii) Displacement[Cub. ins] - 24.77564
>    iv)(Horsepower = 7.6 H.P. at 3000 rpm to 8.4 H.P. at 3600rpm (again, not 
>necessary for the calculation but included for interest sake).
>
>         What I need to know is what the pressure should read on my 
>compression tester (either in Bar, KG per Sq CM or Lbs per Sq. Inch).
>
>         The piston is flat topped but the head has a smallish domed 
>combustion chamber but for these calculations I would think that it is
>O.K. 
>to call it  flat (I realise that this would make the answer greater but
>I 
>only need to be close).
>
>    Alternatively someone may just know what the reading should be and 
>you don't need to do all this maths on a Friday afternoon :-)
>
>       I want to do the tests tomorrow morning so would appreciate any 
>answers in the next 12 hours please. Bear in mind also that I only get
>the 
>SEL Digest version which is due in about the next 1 1/2 hours so if you
>are 
>reading this on the SEL List please copy the mail to me "Off List" at
>the 
>address above. - Old engine list members do not need to do this. (He
>gets 
>pushy now as well !!!)
>
>         Thanks in advance guys.
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

-- 
Pete Alleman
pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 29 11:21:34 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:21:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
	<059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
Message-ID: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

How about Jim Obara?  8-)))

On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
> 	Dave





From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 29 14:12:59 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:12:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
	<059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
	<cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <08672C7D-2874-47AD-9AA6-DCF4B1233712@me.com>

I must confess to that one. In fact that's where I got the idea of  
using that retarded kid next door to test my mags!
	Dave
PS, Sure miss that kid since he moved away!
PPS, I find that I can only use my PROGRESSIVE/DEMOCRAT neighbors 3 to  
4 times before they "get wise!"
PPPS, Rule of thumb:
			Twelve inches off ground		mag is good
			Six inches off ground			Perhaps magnets should be recharged
			Less that six inches off ground	Magnets should be recharged!

On Oct 29, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> How about Jim Obara?  8-)))
>
> On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
>> 	Dave


From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 17:39:36 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <392223.23059.qm@web55903.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jerry,
If atmosphere is 14.7psi then multiplying by 19.1 ratio would yield 278.77psi.
Or maybe I'm so far in left field that the ball game is in the next town?
David

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:



?????????It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

? ? ? ???I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
? ? ? ???i) Compression ratio is 19:1
? ? ? ???ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
? ? ? ???ii)Displacement[Lit]? - 0.406
? ? ? ???iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000? 6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 19:15:49 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <275465.4921.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jerry,
If atmosphere is 14.7psi then multiplying by 19.1 ratio would yield 278.77psi.
Or maybe I'm so far in left field that the ball game is in the next town?
David

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:



?????????It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

? ? ? ???I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
? ? ? ???i) Compression ratio is 19:1
? ? ? ???ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
? ? ? ???ii)Displacement[Lit]? - 0.406
? ? ? ???iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000? 6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)




      

From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct 29 20:24:15 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:24:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 29 20:41:13 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:41:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>

Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
pure. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells


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From chris.a.coyle at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 20:55:05 2010
From: chris.a.coyle at gmail.com (chris.a.coyle at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 03:55:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800><9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <1818185663-1288410900-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-445136926-@bda795.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I run some stores in a Quick-Lube company and we have pulled the copper and went with black pipe. We have had little to no problem with condensation providing the pipe is run properly (minimize bends and make sure all low spots have a way to drain condensation). If there is an air leak to fix its much simpler and of course the initial cost as well as the repair cost is significantly less. We use 10HP compressors that literally run 6-8 hours per day. Northern Tool has good prices on regulators and water separators if you need some more components.

Chris Coyle
Fort Worth, TX
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:41:13 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
pure. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 29 21:04:18 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:04:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Bill,
  If you are on a budget, CPVC plastic.  I have run CPVC water line 
without a problem. Its whats in my garage and a few others I have 
helped put up and or seen put up. Some of them way larger then your 
shop.   But I would suggest you don't pressurize over 130 psi. to be 
on the safe side. Although I have seen it in use up to 170.   But I 
feel thats pushing the limits of safety. Plastic also dissipates heat 
nicely, not as nice as copper buttttt. Where we tee off to do an ait 
drop we point  the T up then a nipple then a Ell and nipple again out 
then a Ell down for the drop. Slope the line back towards the 
compressor slightly so the water does not built up in the line and 
can be drained out the drop leg there. Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark



At 11:24 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 29 21:07:19 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:07:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <4CCB99F7.9090302@xplornet.com>

Hello Bill,
	I ran 3/4" type M copper pipe from one side of the large door along the 
walls to he other side of the large door in my shop with a drain 
installed at the end of each run. Drops are 1/2" copper. The compressor 
is more or less in the middle of the run. The outlets are raised a 
couple of inches above the main line. I also put a water trap wherever 
the main line turned upwards like over the personal door. I put a dryer, 
filter, oilers and regulators in where they were needed.

Rupert

On 10/29/2010 9:24 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 29 21:09:43 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:09:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
	<9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <20101030040938.6AF31938C@smtp.wcoil.com>

We recommend air seps at point of use. Set it up with quick conns for 
ease of mobility from station to station so you don't have to have a 
sep for each station. The further you get the sep from the comp the 
better they work as the air is cooler before it passes through it.     Mark


At 11:41 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
>where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
>about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
>pure. Cya, Jimmy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Oct 29 21:21:01 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:21:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <15829D9A8EEF424DB9DD9FECA31E7FFF@regpc>

I piped my shed with Gal pipe. 3/8 and 1/2 inch. We are drier here so water 
is not so much of a problem. Usual drain system and drain points below 
outlets.
I also have a pressure guage and a warning light for when on. Saves me 
getting out of bed to turn the bloody thing off! (Her indoors,"Ya left it on 
again!")
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?


> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 29 22:22:20 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:22:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>

I would consider pvc air lines one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my shop. Several times a year we were shut down when a pipe broke because someone pulled on a hose too hard or it got caught on a vehicle or something fell against it. My oldest son replaced it all with iron one summer when he was in college. No problems or lost time since and I feel lucky that no one was hurt with the shrapnel.
If you can set it up with a rise in the pipe away from the compressor so the moisture drains back, put a tee and drains at the hose connections as mentioned. In a home system moisture won't be as critical becasue it runs less.
J.B. Castagnos


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct 29 22:27:19 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:27:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <7877AE5BD72B4B8DB8B2657BCF0ADE58@peterlowe>

I have run black poly airlines all through my three shops with push fit 
fittings. This stuff is used all through industry here.
At the sugar mill where I used to work there would be hundreds of kilometres 
of the stuff.
Cheap and quick, all you need is a stanley knife and some saddles and 
screws.
Comes in all diameters.
Peter, Oz



> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 01:09:40 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:09:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
Message-ID: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up I
have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
slipped on the key:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg

I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs to
be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other flywheel:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Oct 30 04:08:13 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:08:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
References: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B04B700D09D4BAABFBC30BF4BE0AF6F@regpc>

That is a daunting sight!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Why the spokes don ? t line up


> After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up 
> I
> have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
> is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
> slipped on the key:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg
>
> I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs 
> to
> be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
> flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
> To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other 
> flywheel:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 04:45:57 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:45:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
In-Reply-To: <0B04B700D09D4BAABFBC30BF4BE0AF6F@regpc>
Message-ID: <C8F250A5.6192%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Gives me something to do in my spare moments ;)


On 30/10/10 10:08 PM, "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> That is a daunting sight!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From gop4evr at lsol.net  Sat Oct 30 06:31:09 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:31:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C
	44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl><SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl><33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net><69a16
	4748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net><059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF
	-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
	<cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <369DAE1C-074F-4B9A-86B6-16C1FA069E72@lsol.net>

Whoa!  Wait a minute -- I think I missed something.

Although I have at times (accidentally) performed the "biological test" on mags and coils . . . .

Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> How about Jim Obara?  8-)))
> 
> On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
>> 	Dave
> 
> 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 07:18:20 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don=B9t_line_up?=
In-Reply-To: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcfa93edb32357ce103893826aba2b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

One suggestion...  Keep those added "balance weights" along with a good set of
pictures, and make up a display board to show with the engine.  Those "farm repairs"
are an important piece of the engine's history and add something to the display and
to the hobby.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, October 30, 2010 4:09 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up I
> have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
> is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
> slipped on the key:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg
>
> I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs to
> be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
> flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
> To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other flywheel:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg





From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 08:28:38 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHh8hYCnudH5KVL0suOPdom3izbRvtO7B00wAh@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of quick notes:

The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall than M.
That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)

Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for 'pipe',
the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a nominal size,
tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in pipe
sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.

1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for any air
tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually two times
or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized - years ago -
and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.

I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before this
modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why something like
Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap. You
shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls into it
(moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom of the
leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.

I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering from some
accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will burst from
any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical damage
from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as safety goes -
and inconvenience as was mentioned.

Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with copper (or
galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
ceiling, then come down with copper again.

Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will drain
moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.

That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions, just ask.

Paul in California

PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased pencils and
paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic pipe.
PPS: Nice shop


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 10:24:30 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:24:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
Message-ID: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out, it works better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is super inexpensive.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2010 10:28 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>A couple of quick notes:
>
>The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall than M.
>That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)
>
>Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
>according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for 'pipe',
>the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a nominal size,
>tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in pipe
>sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.
>
>1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for any air
>tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually two times
>or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized - years ago -
>and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.
>
>I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before this
>modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why something like
>Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
>compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap. You
>shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls into it
>(moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom of the
>leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.
>
>I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering from some
>accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will burst from
>any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical damage
>from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as safety goes -
>and inconvenience as was mentioned.
>
>Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with copper (or
>galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
>ceiling, then come down with copper again.
>
>Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will drain
>moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.
>
>That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions, just ask.
>
>Paul in California
>
>PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased pencils and
>paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic pipe.
>PPS: Nice shop
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 10:37:07 2010
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:37:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>
References: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <4CCC57C3.5070308@earthlink.net>

On 10/29/2010 10:22 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> I would consider pvc air lines one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my shop. Several times a year we were shut down when a pipe broke because someone pulled on a hose too hard or it got caught on a vehicle or something fell against it. My oldest son replaced it all with iron one summer when he was in college. No problems or lost time since and I feel lucky that no one was hurt with the shrapnel.
> If you can set it up with a rise in the pipe away from the compressor so the moisture drains back, put a tee and drains at the hose connections as mentioned. In a home system moisture won't be as critical becasue it runs less.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
Good points about installing sloping lines, drains, and outlet points.  
Half-inch schedule 40 PVC has worked well on my home shop.  It is 
pressure-rated well above what my 60 gallon system puts out.   For 
outlets I installed half-inch galvanized pipe from PVC tees and well 
secured to joists.  At the compressor I used galvanized with a drain.  
The only problem, even after hours of sandblasting, was hot air that let 
the PVC bulge near the compressor.  I increased the length of galvanized 
to act as a better heat sink and things were fine thereafter.

Bob Holtzer


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 11:08:59 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:08:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>

Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want to  
take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:

> Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out,  
> it works better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is  
> super inexpensive.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Oct 30, 2010 10:28 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>>
>> A couple of quick notes:
>>
>> The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall  
>> than M.
>> That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)
>>
>> Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
>> according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for  
>> 'pipe',
>> the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a  
>> nominal size,
>> tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in  
>> pipe
>> sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.
>>
>> 1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for  
>> any air
>> tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually  
>> two times
>> or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized -  
>> years ago -
>> and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.
>>
>> I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before  
>> this
>> modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why  
>> something like
>> Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
>> compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap.  
>> You
>> shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls  
>> into it
>> (moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom  
>> of the
>> leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.
>>
>> I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering  
>> from some
>> accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will  
>> burst from
>> any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical  
>> damage
>> from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as  
>> safety goes -
>> and inconvenience as was mentioned.
>>
>> Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with  
>> copper (or
>> galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
>> ceiling, then come down with copper again.
>>
>> Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will  
>> drain
>> moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.
>>
>> That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions,  
>> just ask.
>>
>> Paul in California
>>
>> PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased  
>> pencils and
>> paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic  
>> pipe.
>> PPS: Nice shop
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim Christoff
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 14:39:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
Message-ID: <423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pretty neat stuff!!

On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want to
> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8





From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Oct 30 15:05:54 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:05:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL ot-ot airlines in shop
Message-ID: <930B675D5AC9455D82D5AF3EE8FADB91@lightning>

I fixed 2x1 pine to my shed wall with a 6 inch fall over 20 feet & saddled my airhose to the top of the 2x1. Works well & hardly cost anything. John

From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 15:07:20 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:07:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out, it works
> better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is super
> inexpensive.
>
> Tim Christoff
>



I use Pex for any re-plumb jobs that come up; but that's water. My concern,
and I haven't looked into this yet, is any oil that the compressor sends
through might eat the Pex up. Also Pex must be protected from the sun or it
will deteriorate.
Pex is cheap - and very easy and fast to install; might be worth a try,
especially if you have a lot of bends or runs that aren't straight.

Paul in Cal - just an opinion


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 15:24:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:24:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
	<423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>

Does that mean that we will start seeing it in new and retooled nuke  
plants?
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pretty neat stuff!!
>
> On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want  
>> to
>> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
>> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 15:33:21 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:33:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>

Very interesting Paul. Could you please tell be the pragmatic  
difference between "a lot of bends" and "runs that are not straight?"
	Dave
PS, Remember that due to the large expected turn out for the midterms  
next week Republicans are to vote on Tues. (Nov. 2nd) and Democrats  
are to vote on Wed. (Nov. 3rd.)

On Oct 30, 2010, at 6:07 PM, P. Johns wrote:
>
> I use Pex for any re-plumb jobs that come up; but that's water. My  
> concern,
> and I haven't looked into this yet, is any oil that the compressor  
> sends
> through might eat the Pex up. Also Pex must be protected from the  
> sun or it
> will deteriorate.
> Pex is cheap - and very easy and fast to install; might be worth a  
> try,
> especially if you have a lot of bends or runs that aren't straight.
>
> Paul in Cal - just an opinion


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 30 15:50:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:50:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <ED5647EBC658444487E7343054272037@tractor>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029174434.00de4d08@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031003909.00d9c8a0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Thanks for all the answers. I was having problems with a small 
Chinese diesel engine but found the cause today.

         I got rather a lot of conflicting answers but it seems that the 
compression pressure should be around 920 Lbs/Sq. Inch)

         Some of you may be interested in reading my rather "long winded" 
(as usual) account of it here: :-)

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ringlan/index.htm>


         While you are on my site you may want to look at this page too:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/campbell/index.htm>

Campbell Horizontal cold starting heavy Oil Engine s/n 22439 - 16B.H.P. @ 
450 R.P.M
(This is the Cardiff, Wales, Campbell engine - not the Halifax built one)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 30 16:37:09 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:37:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1288454402.18155.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 30/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:24:15 -0500
>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
><Big snip>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

Hi Bill,
         Not sure what you guys in the USA call it but my airline is made 
from the thin walled drawn copper pipe used for plumbing and sweat soldered 
together (actually more like capilliary action soldering).

         This drawn (stretched ??) copper tube is much harder than the 
thicker walled (bendable) variety. My Compressor is under cover on the 
outside of my shop and I run an airline down both sidewalls (21 metres long 
each) as well as across the shop in 2 places (7 metres each) and also on 
various points outside the building. The long runs down the sidewalls 
should join at the far end to form a loop but I ran out of pipe before they 
met and have never got round to adding that last bit :-) but it would help 
to equalise the pressure.

         I have downpipes approx. every 1 1/2  metres apart (I'm a lazy 
bugger and don't want a long pipe or have to walk far to plug into air) 
with quick connect couplers . I've used 1/2" pipe throughout and my 
compressor is a Broom Wade (rather elderly but excellent quality) and is 
set to about 110 lbs/sq inch.   I have a loose pressure regulator that is 
also fitted with quick connect couplers and just plug this into whichever 
outlet I feel like using  at the time and set my pressure on that. By doing 
it that way the pressure on the line does not need to be changed for 
different purposes so I can for instance spray at quite low pressure and 
have another pipe about 1 1/2 metres away with high pressure for blowing 
dust away.

         I then have 4 or 5 compressor hoses of different lengths and can 
choose the one best suited to what I want to do.

         Regarding condensation - the answers already given are valid. Take 
the outlets "Up" out of the top of the pipe first and then bring them down 
to where your coupler is. The mains line must slope with a drain at the 
lowest end. (I have one on each corner of the building).

         This discussion was on the list about a year or so back and quite 
a lot of mention was also made of a cooling "device" near the compressor 
but I do not have that.

         My airline has been up since about 1988 and I've never had a leak 
or any other serious problem with it. My compressor is permanently switched 
on and, if I do not use any air then it only switches on about once in 3 
days - I think that the small amount of leakage is probably through the 
valves in the compressor. The only small problem is that the quick connect 
couplers on the outside walls are not brass and they tend to get a bit "dry 
and sticky" and need to be taken off every 2 years or so and oiled up and 
loosened and then they are fine again. (A bit of Q20 usually does the trick).

         My drains are not automatic - I blow them all out (and the one 
under the compressor) whenever I need to spray paint or use airtools. If I 
only need to use the blower I don't bother. Summer is our wet season and 
this needs to be done more often then due to the higher humidity in the air.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 17:38:30 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:38:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <0E6D245C-4823-48F5-AFAB-D25E9F825407@me.com>

Holy CRAP Batman--my airline is AirTran!
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>         Not sure what you guys in the USA call it but my airline is  
> made
> from the thin walled drawn copper pipe.....
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 19:57:45 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:57:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
	<423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>
Message-ID: <4d17fbf6ea56d3a0661e5ec48b512de4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

HDPE is already used for a lot of buried non-nuclear-safety piping on nuke plant
sites.  Dunno about the cross-linked variety though.

On Sat, October 30, 2010 6:24 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Does that mean that we will start seeing it in new and retooled nuke
> plants?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 30, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> Pretty neat stuff!!
>>
>> On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want
>>> to
>>> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
>>> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 30 20:05:44 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:05:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <4d17fbf6ea56d3a0661e5ec48b512de4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C05AAF83C3D24CB788DE22D33278D3A9@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Heck Arnie, if its good 'nuff for nukes, its got to be good 'nuff for
air!  In my old shop (that the BIG air got) I plumbed all over it with
schedule 80 PVC.  I had a big compressor on it and maintained 165 psi at
all times.  I never had a problem.  I did have a couple of water filters
and traps on it and they worked well at keeping the lines clear.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



HDPE is already used for a lot of buried non-nuclear-safety piping on
nuke plant sites.  Dunno about the cross-linked variety though.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 21:27:51 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:27:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbdyyeyGHaWpn0brS21d24EEV=iBR2HKVOXgJ1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Very interesting Paul. Could you please tell be the pragmatic
> difference between "a lot of bends" and "runs that are not straight?"
>        Dave
>

Technically a lot of bends and runs that aren't straight may be about the
same thing. First, usually to a plumber a 'bend' would be an angled fitting.
A run that isn't straight might require bending a pipe length somewhat as an
easier alternative to adding fittings. (It makes a difference to me - but
probably nobody else.)

With Pex, you can frequently make an entire run without fittings. It would
also be handy to fish behind installed benched or machines.

As for speed, I bought a house that had the copper removed by thieves. My
plumber showed up with a helper (a very pretty gal, but that's another
story) and they re-plumbed, from the meter: two baths, a kitchen and laundry
in about ten hours. If any other method was used, it would have been a lot
longer. I'm a big fan of Pex for the speed aspect alone. But again, I know
it was designed for water, so clean air wouldn't be a problem; but oil from
the compressor and contaminates in the shop - assuming it isn't installed
behind walls or under floors - may be a problem. I know it must be protected
from sunlight.

Incidentally, the schedule 80 that Judge Tommy used should do the trick in
most cases.

Paul

PS: Now I'm curious, I'll have to look into the Pex/air situation. One thing
I'm thinking is that if oil started to deteriorate it, it would bulge or
discolor first; and a repair would be cheap. I have some Pex, I guess I'll
have to soak it in oil for a bit to see what happens.


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Oct 31 10:17:28 2010
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>

Your mileage may vary....
http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html
There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist...
http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306

Paul Gray


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 10:35:48 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:35:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines
In-Reply-To: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvmOw1JDJw7nNS-01rHbYn0mJvTRzhpTuVtmS=@mail.gmail.com>

Paul;
Thanks - I have heard rumors about shattered plastic, but never met anyone
who witnessed it. It does make sense.
I very much appreciate those links.

Paul - the one from Nor Cal

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Paul + Colleen Gray <
pcgray at zoominternet.net> wrote:

> Your mileage may vary....
> http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html
> There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist...
> http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306
>
> Paul Gray
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 31 15:31:41 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:31:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] PEX & Chemical Resistance
Message-ID: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>


Too easy, guys

http://www.plasticpipe.org/pdf/tr-19_thermoplastic_pipe_for_transport_of_chemical.pdf

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Oct 31 16:01:43 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <D69EE4E0547F47938CC64EE9356E6AFE@l2800>

>> Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark <<

That's the plan - if that's what you call 'em - a low spot with a valve to
drain water that goes past the air coupling.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

Hi Bill,
  If you are on a budget, CPVC plastic.  I have run CPVC water line 
without a problem. Its whats in my garage and a few others I have 
helped put up and or seen put up. Some of them way larger then your 
shop.   But I would suggest you don't pressurize over 130 psi. to be 
on the safe side. Although I have seen it in use up to 170.   But I 
feel thats pushing the limits of safety. Plastic also dissipates heat 
nicely, not as nice as copper buttttt. Where we tee off to do an ait 
drop we point  the T up then a nipple then a Ell and nipple again out 
then a Ell down for the drop. Slope the line back towards the 
compressor slightly so the water does not built up in the line and 
can be drained out the drop leg there. Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark



At 11:24 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out
and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same
idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Oct 31 16:04:53 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:04:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <15829D9A8EEF424DB9DD9FECA31E7FFF@regpc>
Message-ID: <5DA23129EDC94A46A483F1F5E96193B3@l2800>

Water is a HUGE issue here. Last summer it was so bad I had to run a
dehumidifier in my shop - the vinyl in the cars was getting moldy. The door
panels and seats I had in the shop have spots all over them. The floor
actually had water droplets so bad it was slick.
But with 13" of rain in 2 days, I guess......
Anyway, yes, with Iowa summers, humidity is a huge issue with air. I can run
my compressor only for a short time, and can get several t-spoons of water
out the bottom drain.
I need to think of that light system, my shop is a couple hundred feet from
the house...

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I piped my shed with Gal pipe. 3/8 and 1/2 inch. We are drier here so water 
is not so much of a problem. Usual drain system and drain points below 
outlets.
I also have a pressure guage and a warning light for when on. Saves me 
getting out of bed to turn the bloody thing off! (Her indoors,"Ya left it on

again!")
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?


> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 16:27:46 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] PEX & Chemical Resistance
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=K1hk=3vd0q-FyrM-KZdh3N_bTXBR2bV2bARz0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bruce . . .
But you say easy? = 47 pages!
Anyway their disclaimer starts:

"Chemicals that do not normally affect the properties of an

Unstressed thermoplastic may cause completely different

Behavior (such as stress cracking) when under thermal or

Mechanical stress (such as constant internal pressure or

Frequent thermal or mechanical stress cycles).

*Unstressed immersion test chemical resistance information*

*Is applicable only when the thermoplastic pipe will not be*

*Subject to mechanical or thermal stress that is constant*
*Or cycles frequently*."

The amount of oil going into a Pex line should be minimal. especially if the
first section, up to a vertical rise, is metal. I would still consider the
sunlight - and some florescent - light problem.

I may look into this a little further because PEX may be the way to go, but
for now I'd say copper would be a sure thing as it is tried and true.

Paul in California


From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct  1 07:08:15 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:08:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
Message-ID: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>


I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed 
Manufacturing of Erie PA.  Its a 404 1/2 R  They have obsoleted the 
vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here 
who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.  As we all 
know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it. 
I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.  Anyone 
know of a source for parts?   I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.     Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 18:29:55 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 21:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
Message-ID: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>

I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York 
horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag 
states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the 
maker? No photos yet. 
Thanks 
Kevin K

From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sat Oct  2 09:20:40 2010
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP. 
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html 
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 11:58:03 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,
What part do you need?
Don't we have a couple metal casters on this list?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:08 AM



I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed 
Manufacturing of Erie PA.? Its a 404 1/2 R? They have obsoleted the 
vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here 
who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.? As we all 
know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it. 
I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.? Anyone 
know of a source for parts????I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.? ???Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com? 

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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Oct  2 12:32:13 2010
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:32:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <000401cb6268$8430c2a0$97a3474a@ownerfm3tybt04>

There are a few hits in Google Books, the first is a short article in
"Tractor World" vol 1-2, pg37, Sept.1919, the second is an ad in "The Monroe
County Farm Bureau News", vol 4-5, pg 350 ( 1918). It states the engines
were made in 2,4,6, and 15 horsepower versions, and there's a nice picture
also. I plugged in "Jones Oil Engine Syracuse" to come up with these,
there's a lot more I didn't sort through. I live in Syracuse, but I've never
heard of Jones Oil Engine or Free St.. Need to research this one a little
more. You learn the most interesting things on this list!
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
Syracuse, New York
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse


> > I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> > horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4
HP.
> > Tag
> > states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or
the
> > maker? No photos yet.
> > Thanks
> > Kevin K
>
> Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html
> but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.
>
> -Rick I.
> near Rochester, NY
>
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Oct  2 12:44:59 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:44:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <87D7D55CBA2640ABA014A41080DB5522@Eagle>

S.M. Jones made engines in Toledo, Ohio. Jones bought Acme Sucker Rod
Company in the early 1900s. Early engines carried the Acme name. Perhaps
there was another Jones in Syracuse. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.

James Madison




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick I.
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York 
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  
> the maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfiel
d-circa1900_600.html
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Oct  2 14:44:25 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:44:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Alan,
  The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled 
out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can 
see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they 
will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage. 
The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark


http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg


At 02:58 PM 10/2/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>What part do you need?
>Don't we have a couple metal casters on this list?
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:08 AM
>
>
>
>I am looking for a source for parts for a obsolete vise from Reed
>Manufacturing of Erie PA.  Its a 404 1/2 R  They have obsoleted the
>vise and its parts but I was wondering if there might be someone here
>who would know of anything that the manufacturer does not.  As we all
>know there always seems to be a part out there, Its just finding it.
>I'm gonna test the limits of the group on this one I know.  Anyone
>know of a source for parts?   I hate to junk such a beast of a vise.     Mark
>
>
>
>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 County Road 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct  2 11:14:55 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:14:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <7DE53FAB-8A88-4CE8-AADC-660630250471@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Rick I. wrote:

>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY.  
>> 4 HP.
>> Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines  
>> or  the
>> maker? No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K
>
> Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html
> but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.


Nice Jones, Rick.  A four horse version of the same engine would be  
sweet.

Rob





From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 15:08:42 2010
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (riga_fire at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:08:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
References: <mailman.3.1286035203.24283.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><31E74ECD59CC45FE885C9B090867BC27@marlin>
Message-ID: <609131472-1286057322-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-675541495-@bda574.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

They had a Jones engine at an auction in Toledo probably six years ago. Talked to a guy who was very knowledgeable on them but not for sure all the details any more. I think it was a four horse not running and went for $4500.00. Other engines were fairly reasonable in their selling price. Was interested until it started for more than I had! 
Sent from my BlackBerry? powered by Virgin Mobile.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:20:40 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP. 
> Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K

Hey, Kevin, I have a photo of a 20 HP Jones at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/canandaiguashow2006/jones20hpoilfield-circa1900_600.html 
but have no other info; it's the only one I've ever seen.

-Rick I.
near Rochester, NY 

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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sat Oct  2 15:36:03 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:36:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20101001140809.9170092C9@smtp.wcoil.com>	<536867.40571.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20101002214422.2A49892E9@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4CA7B3D3.2060202@xplornet.com>

Hello Mark,
	Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is 
almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
	I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the 
Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring 
equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.

Rupert

On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>    The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark
>
>
> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Oct  3 15:14:28 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:14:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
In-Reply-To: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>
References: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CA90044.1060003@coastalnet.com>

  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned from Google books.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/

Ken Christison

On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:
> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag
> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
> maker? No photos yet.
> Thanks
> Kevin K
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 15:47:13 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <4CA7B3D3.2060202@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Seems like the hard part would be finding the tap to cut those threads.
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com> wrote:


From: Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:36 PM


Hello Mark,
??? Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is 
almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
??? I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the 
Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring 
equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.

Rupert

On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>? ? The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Mark
>
>
> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.??? 

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
??? 
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  3 16:59:07 2010
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 00:59:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
References: <100bc0.d209a25.39d7e513@aol.com> <4CA90044.1060003@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <2B4778EA3CDD4788B1ED975B721C453F@morpheus>

----- Original Message ----- 
> On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:
>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper is Syracuse NY. 4 HP.  Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4 HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  the
>> maker? No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K

From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse

>  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned from Google books.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/
> Ken Christison

Hi Ken, That explanation sounds fascinating but as a realist engine man 
for 50 years it doesn't seem to fit in with my experiences.
Does anyone have any practical experiece of running these engines?
Dave Croft
Warrington.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv





From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 17:32:00 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:32:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From Syracuse
Message-ID: <14ed4a.11cba7c5.39da7a7f@aol.com>

Dave I have never owned one and never run one of these engines but I will  
assure you I will picked this engine up. Bought site un-seen. Gosh I hope 
all  works out. I will post pics when it gets here. I might need a hefty man 
to turn  the flywheels. Looking for volunteers. LOL 
Thanks 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2010 8:08:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

-----  Original Message ----- 
> On 10/1/2010 9:29 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  wrote:
>> I have a chance to buy a Jones oil engine made in Syracuse  New  York
>> horizontal engine hopper cooled. Cast in the hopper  is Syracuse NY. 4 
HP.  Tag
>> states Jones Oil Engine 4  HP.  Does anyone no about these engines or  
the
>> maker?  No photos yet.
>> Thanks
>> Kevin K

From: "Ken  Christi son" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email  discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday,  October 03, 2010 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Jones Oil Engine From  Syracuse

>  Here is the information that Jim Mackessy mentioned  from Google books.
>  http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/jones/
> Ken  Christison

Hi Ken, That explanation sounds fascinating but as a realist  engine man 
for 50 years it doesn't seem to fit in with my  experiences.
Does anyone have any practical experiece of running these  engines?
Dave  Croft
Warrington.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct  3 20:44:20 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:44:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <679616.32238.qm@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CA94D94.9000601@xplornet.com>

	Taps are available for most acme threads. They are expensive though. A 
1/2-20 Acme tap is around $70.

Rupert

On 10/3/2010 4:47 PM, Alan wrote:
> Seems like the hard part would be finding the tap to cut those threads.
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Rupert<rwenig2 at xplornet.com>  wrote:
>
>
> From: Rupert<rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Reed Manufacturing Erie PA. / Off Topic
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:36 PM
>
>
> Hello Mark,
>      Where are you located? I can cast a nut out of ZA-12 for you. ZA-12 is
> almost as good as cast iron for that purpose.
>      I am near Camrose, Alberta. I plan to be doing a foundry demo at the
> Estevan Model Engineering Show the week end of October 16th. I can bring
> equipment to cast one there as a demo if that helps.
>
> Rupert
>
> On 10/2/2010 3:44 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>      The parts called the main nut. See the pic link, The threads pulled
>> out of it entirely. The threads on the screw are pretty good. You can
>> see a slight taper on the lead edge of the threads but I believe they
>> will be fine with a new main nut. I suspect the vise is WWII vintage.
>> The nut has the words defense substitute stamped on it.                   Mark
>>
>>
>> http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/reed1.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3174 - Release Date: 10/03/10 00:34:00
>>

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 22:14:53 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:14:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot about these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5JxmSlZ4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAzYve6KbSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfu0m_8LSY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39T_eKoQcp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njf8DFCqCBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toskE-eNw_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqkqZWB_HSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opnDmhOU0D0

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Mon Oct  4 05:57:23 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:57:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYnn9vJ550nAk7iZ3y78HuSjqANS_nd5JHcTe-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDC607F2-8D45-4D97-A08B-1ED044F144A1@windstream.net>


On Oct 4, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqkqZWB_HSs

Thanks for the great videos, Peter. The Gardner engine at 2:23 in the above video has some GREAT motion!!!

Mike

______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct  4 07:35:52 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:35:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
Message-ID: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th, 9th,
and 10th this year.
The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
tractors on Saturday evening.
Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is definitely
the show for you!
Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Club website with all the information.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>

Call me if you have any questions.
704-471-6573 (w)
704-472-8599 (c)
704-922-8041 (h)

Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC



From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Mon Oct  4 17:31:04 2010
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:31:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
Message-ID: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>

Hey guys

 

Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.  I've found a pair
cheap; both need tires, etc.  First question; they're tandem dual wheels.  I
have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home?  Secondly they are
the old style (pin thru the hitch ball) type; is that tube probably 4"
inside diameter so the new style hitch (for a 2 & 5/16 hitch ball) will
slide in & fit?  Thirdly he said one has electric brakes but the other has
some kind of electric/hydraulic system; what will be needed to adapt these
brakes to work (2005 Dodge diesel pull truck).

 

Thanks!

 

Lew near Waco, TX



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct  4 18:23:55 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:23:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

If you've never been, this is a GREAT show!  Dave & I have it on the "must do" list
for each year.

BTW Curt, Please make sure that we have a long hose handy so I can fill the water
trough on the Bamford / Millars pumping outfit.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, October 4, 2010 10:35 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th, 9th,
> and 10th this year.
> The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
> As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
> tractors on Saturday evening.
> Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
> you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is definitely
> the show for you!
> Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
>
> Club website with all the information.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
>
> Call me if you have any questions.
> 704-471-6573 (w)
> 704-472-8599 (c)
> 704-922-8041 (h)
>
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 18:32:40 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:32:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sieverkropp
Message-ID: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>

We had a local show this weekend, the last few years we've been doing a babbitt pouring demo. It usually draws a group of interested people, men, women, and children. A professor-historian narrates it over a portable p a system, he knows the questions to ask and tells an interesting story as we are setting up and pouring. This is more marine related and how the boats needed maintenance and sometimes the bearings were poured on the bank of the bayou. 
   When I got there Sunday morning I was greeted by a local man that said he wanted my he to ID a small engine. He told me it was two cycle and had an exposed connecting rod. My first thought was that he didn't know what he was talking about. We went over to his truck and sure enough it he was right. After looking it over for a few minutes I could read the first and last few letters of the name cast into the hopper, Sie         p, the rest was covered by a bracket someone had added. I realized it was a Sieverkropp, 1/2 hp horizontal. I looked it over, admiring it, and told him it was cute. He said he watched the demo last year, wanted to sell it and wanted me to have it, it came from his uncle and he didn't know how to run it. The price was very reasonable so I came home with it. The commutator for the timer is broken, some of the fiber is missing and I don't know the location of the inlaid contact. If someone knows where to put it, or has detailed pictures it would be a big  help. The governor weights are on the flywheel but nothing else, from Wendels description it just kills the ignition. Pics would help here also. Does anyone here know the purpose of the little poppet valve, looks like a backfire relief to me. I did manage to get it to run a little at the show, fuel dampened rag over the intake and a wire at the end of the connecting rod so it touched at tdc to operate a buzz coil. From what I've read since getting it this is more than a lot of them have done. Thesi engine seems to have run quite a bit looking at the wear on the timer contact and the bushings in the connecting rod.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 18:39:00 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:39:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>
Message-ID: <20101004213900.ZR0WF.5492568.root@mp14>


> 
> Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.  I've found a pair
> cheap; both need tires, etc.  First question; they're tandem dual wheels.  I
> have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
> single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home? 

Lew, most of the 8 hole wheels were the same bolt patterns, but the center holes varied in size, the large can be installed on the small hub but you can't go the other way. Whith a tandem you can usually come home on one flat, you could take the wheel with the flat off and run with the other one if you wanted to.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct  5 06:34:53 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:34:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> If you've never been, this is a GREAT show!  Dave & I have it on the "must
> do" list
> for each year.
>
> BTW Curt, Please make sure that we have a long hose handy so I can fill
> the water
> trough on the Bamford / Millars pumping outfit.

Will do.

....and have you cleaned that rig so the water will be clean? How are we
going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)

Curt






>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, October 4, 2010 10:35 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>> Folks, it's that time of year again. Cotton Ginning Days is Oct 8th,
>> 9th,
>> and 10th this year.
>> The SEL will set up in the wood sawing area just below the gin building.
>> As always there is a free dinner for all people displaying engines and
>> tractors on Saturday evening.
>> Spectator attendance is estimated by the county at 25,000 people, so if
>> you like demonstrating your engines and old machinery, this is
>> definitely
>> the show for you!
>> Hope to see you there this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
>>
>> Club website with all the information.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
>>
>> Call me if you have any questions.
>> 704-471-6573 (w)
>> 704-472-8599 (c)
>> 704-922-8041 (h)
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Bessemer City, NC
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Oct  5 09:25:11 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:25:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1286294402.26793.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:34:53 -0600
>From: curt at rustyiron.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
<Big Snip>

>How are we
>going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
>like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)
>
>Curt

That's easy Curt,
         Don't you guys know how to organize a "Mud Wrestling Competition" 
? -  so much more fun than plain ole bathing :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct  5 11:56:25 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:56:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <02f631838366c56dc53ff4bb10be239e.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<00bf5632df174ff6d320c10e6433b82c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<9a7deb2872642698a679e335d25a8140.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <93e15cfd3826ff7a8bcfdbe526d17005.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

I think it's pretty clean now.  Relatively speaking that is...  8-))
Bring on the Bikini Team!!

On Tue, October 5, 2010 9:34 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> ....and have you cleaned that rig so the water will be clean? How are we
> going to encourage bikini clad women to bath in that if the water looks
> like it came from the Muddy Fork River? :-)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct  5 11:58:12 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:58:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101005181836.0212ebe8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <4cd976c60e048f3f615868f85e8b65c2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

And it IS a mud pump....

On Tue, October 5, 2010 12:25 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> That's easy Curt,
> Don't you guys know how to organize a "Mud Wrestling Competition"?
> -  so much more fun than plain ole bathing :-)





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  5 20:23:27 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:23:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels (Lew Best)
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27F86869C53D97635092EBCB6E0@phx.gbl>


Lew, a common rv-type brake controller will do for the one with electric brakes.  For the electric over hydraulic, it probably won't work.  A Tekonsha P3 will work.  Contact the very helpful folks at etrailer.com.  They have everything and are happy to help.  They can answer any questions.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct  6 03:04:33 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:04:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Slanzi DVA 515 diesel generator  need some engine parts
Message-ID: <932F49FA7A054A1390E668DF90FF4F04@peterlowe>

Hi all
Any one is Oz help a guy that contacted me.

He is after parts for a Slanzi DVA 515 diesel generator 

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 09:35:06 2010
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb6424$a1558dd0$e400a970$@com>
Message-ID: <374978.99127.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The single wheel rim will not fit on the dually axle you will have offset problems.? Electric/hydraulic brake system will not work with any controller like straight electric brakes will.? I run a BrakeSmart in my truck which is excellent and works with the e/h setup but is not made any more.? MaxBrake is a good alternative as is the Tekonsha P3 but the latter is not a true proportional controller. ?? 



--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Lew Best <lew at lewslittlefarm.com> wrote:

From: Lew Best <lew at lewslittlefarm.com>
Subject: [SEL] Little OT-trailer wheels
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 8:31 PM

Hey guys

 

Got some curiosities concerning gooseneck trailers.? I've found a pair
cheap; both need tires, etc.? First question; they're tandem dual wheels.? I
have a tandem single wheel trailer (both trailers have 8 lugs); will those
single wheels fit the dual wheel hub to get them home?? Secondly they are
the old style (pin thru the hitch ball) type; is that tube probably 4"
inside diameter so the new style hitch (for a 2 & 5/16 hitch ball) will
slide in & fit?? Thirdly he said one has electric brakes but the other has
some kind of electric/hydraulic system; what will be needed to adapt these
brakes to work (2005 Dodge diesel pull truck).

 

Thanks!

 

Lew near Waco, TX

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 20:56:55 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:56:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] engine needs a ride,Help
Message-ID: <E8586C982A924DE4A0443BE47110C832@VALUED3253602F>

Hi,I need a ride for a new toy. It's a 8 horse FBM. in pieces in Eastern PA.
and I'm near San Francisco Ca ,Any help will be GREATLY apprected and I'll
gladly chip in to the bearing shim fund. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.
415 892 0236



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 21:33:20 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:33:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
Message-ID: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>

Hi ,OOPS ,as it turns out York Pa.is more on the west side of Pa.. rather
than Eastern edge. I'm not sure but maybe I can get it to Coolspring if that
would help. Thanks Jimmy



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct  7 19:00:52 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:00:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jim,

You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 7, 2010 12:33 am, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> Hi ,OOPS ,as it turns out York Pa.is more on the west side of Pa.. rather
> than Eastern edge. I'm not sure but maybe I can get it to Coolspring if that
> would help. Thanks Jimmy
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  7 19:55:34 2010
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:55:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F>
	<1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>



Went through the Harley Davison final assembly plant at York, Fully 
operational and you walked along side of the assembly line, would not be 
able to do that is oz with some of the OH&S and insurance BS.
One of the great US tours

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz
www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/




>
> You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.
>
> See ya,  Arnie



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 21:23:17 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:23:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ride
In-Reply-To: <79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>
References: <CC5D9CB06E124325B8F0A682C147078B@VALUED3253602F><1a1a81c4aeb0a8a99cdae3e28b830f31.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79971C5D282E49C6BC4FD17D5C887665@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <46E2730F9779423ABC4F9F635DBBB8DD@VALUED3253602F>

Especially if you could time it so you could watch your's being built! Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:56 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ride



Went through the Harley Davison final assembly plant at York, Fully 
operational and you walked along side of the assembly line, would not be 
able to do that is oz with some of the OH&S and insurance BS.
One of the great US tours

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz
www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/




>
> You had it right the first time.  York is in eastern PA not western.
>
> See ya,  Arnie

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct  8 04:17:57 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:17:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Leroy Clark's email address
Message-ID: <12B9F138214F4E59B00C920EECFC83EB@peterlowe>

Hey Leroy
Contact me with your email address, the one I have just used bounces.
I have a !958 Penny for you.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 10 04:28:57 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:28:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010095159.00da5288@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all the Guru's out there,
         A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems. I have a Lister D, a 
Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.

         I would like to use one of them to charge Lead acid batteries (12 
volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and even combinations of 
12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).

         Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x 12 volt batteries (my 
plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these  3 x 100 amp/hour 
batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked for "output" of the 
generator).

The Petter AS has the following  details on the genny plate:

Generator charging 1260 watt.
35 Volts - 36 Amps - 1000 R.P.M.
Lancashire Dynamo & Crypto Ltd.
W.D. No. 8611  (I assume WD=War Dept. as this is a military style genset.)
1943.
(The Petter AS engine is 2.75 H.P. @ 1800 RPM)
****************

The only details I have at hand on the Lister are :

Generator No. 42234N
Volts: 32/43
Plant No. 63670 NA
Lister Switchboard Type: CT    No. 36169
         I think there is more info on the plate but I would need to move a 
lot of stuff to reach it in the store - right now.

         This is a standard Lister "D" type genset (not S.O.M.)(Rad cooled) 
coupled to a Lister genny. I'm hoping someone out there knows the specs 
(Peter Forbes, Roland ???)

         (The Lister D engine is rated  2 H.P. @ 1100 RPM and was made in 1958)

******************

         Second question: Approximately how long would each of the above 2 
take to charge 3 x 100 amp/hour batteries  (coupled in series to equal 36 
volt).

         Thanks in advance for any answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 06:48:52 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010095159.00da5288@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEOOCBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.

Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.

Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.

Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.

Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.

If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
current and add about 50% to get the charging time.

Simple, eh?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:29 AM
> To: Old Engine List; SEL List
> Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
>
>
> Hi all the Guru's out there,
>          A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems.
> I have a Lister D, a
> Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.
>
>          I would like to use one of them to charge
> Lead acid batteries (12
> volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and
> even combinations of
> 12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).
>
>          Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x
> 12 volt batteries (my
> plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these
> 3 x 100 amp/hour
> batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked
> for "output" of the
> generator).

..............snip........................



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 06:52:20 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:52:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <1205024726.6625261286718484471.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1336142796.6625681286718740524.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
Most 32 Light Plants were sold with Glass Batteries (16 cells x 2 Volts each).   My Delco Plant for example uses 4 x 8 volt batteries.  Still available in your better tractor supply stores, marine suppliers and most common in Golf Carts. NOT CHEAP and they are lead acid.  Right now I am restoring the coils on the starter for my Delco.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:28:57 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question

Hi all the Guru's out there,
         A few questions re 32 volt lighting systems. I have a Lister D, a 
Petter AS and another 32 volt lighting set.

         I would like to use one of them to charge Lead acid batteries (12 
volt). Now, 12 volt into 32 volt does not go !!! (and even combinations of 
12 and 6 - if we could still get 6 volt batteries here).

         Now, how were these used in those days?  3 x 12 volt batteries (my 
plan) = 36 volts - will a 32 volt genset charge these  3 x 100 amp/hour 
batteries . (O.K. I know that I'm going to be asked for "output" of the 
generator).

The Petter AS has the following  details on the genny plate:

Generator charging 1260 watt.
35 Volts - 36 Amps - 1000 R.P.M.
Lancashire Dynamo & Crypto Ltd.
W.D. No. 8611  (I assume WD=War Dept. as this is a military style genset.)
1943.
(The Petter AS engine is 2.75 H.P. @ 1800 RPM)
****************

The only details I have at hand on the Lister are :

Generator No. 42234N
Volts: 32/43
Plant No. 63670 NA
Lister Switchboard Type: CT    No. 36169
         I think there is more info on the plate but I would need to move a 
lot of stuff to reach it in the store - right now.

         This is a standard Lister "D" type genset (not S.O.M.)(Rad cooled) 
coupled to a Lister genny. I'm hoping someone out there knows the specs 
(Peter Forbes, Roland ???)

         (The Lister D engine is rated  2 H.P. @ 1100 RPM and was made in 1958)

******************

         Second question: Approximately how long would each of the above 2 
take to charge 3 x 100 amp/hour batteries  (coupled in series to equal 36 
volt).

         Thanks in advance for any answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 10 10:14:27 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:14:27 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
>From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 32 volt question
><snip>
>Jerry:
>
>In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
>identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
>volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
>in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
>stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
>some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.
>
>Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
>and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
>"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.
>
>Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
>lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.
>
>Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
>took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.
>
>Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
>the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
>are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
>the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
>taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.
>
>If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
>divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
>current and add about 50% to get the charging time.
>
>Simple, eh?
>
>Take care - Elden


Hi Elden and Curt,
         I appreciate your answers - thank you.

         As I answered on the "other" list, it is not my intention to "end 
up" with 32 volts (which I omitted to mention in my original post) - I'm 
going to use 12 volts and was just wondering if I could use one of my 32 
volt genny's to charge the 3 batteries at the same time. It was just an 
idea (some would say "brain fart" :-) ) but I realise that it was 
unrealistic and I will connect them in parallel and just use a 12 volts 
machine to charge them. (I've got a few 12 volt charging sets - Iron Horse 
- Briggs and A.N.Other). Of course there is also the trusty old battery 
charger plugged into the mains supply.

         Regarding  8 volt batteries. I have never seen an 8 volt battery 
in South Africa - they may have been available many years ago but 
definitely not for the last 35 years or more. We could find 6 volt 
batteries relatively easily up to about 25 years ago but the supply 
eventually dwindled to the stage that the only way to get them these days 
is by special import. There was a manufacturer in Durban not too many years 
ago who still made small batches but I believe they also no longer do so. 
The market is just too small. Our vintage car and FATG's battle with this 
problem and, although not original, it is common to see conversions to 12 volt.

         The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm 
scrapheaps :-)

         In my teenage years, I remember my Dad "scrounging" old batteries 
from battery suppliers. He would then isolate any dead cells and bridge the 
good cells until he ended up with 32 volts. Quite easy in those days when 
the thick lead bars connecting each cell were exposed on top of the battery 
but a different story today with sealed batteries.

         Thanks guys and keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 10 10:48:02 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:48:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Jerry,
I just did google search for 8 volt batteries and easily came up with one source and looks like there may be a few more if you look further.Based on the curency exchange looks like the Trojan brand would run you about what we pay here.
Try:  <www.sustainable.co.za/> 
Curt



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:14:27 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

At 06:00 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:48:52 -0400
>From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 32 volt question
><snip>
>Jerry:
>
>In my (not so) humble opinion, it would be best to get four
>identical 8-volt lead-acid batteries and charge them to about 37
>volts with the genset.  8-volt batteries are available (at least
>in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts
>stores.  8-volt batteries are used to replace 6-volt batteries in
>some slow-cranking cars, trucks and tractors.
>
>Next best would be three identical 12-volt lead-acid batteries
>and charge them to 41.4 volts.  This would be a little high for
>"32 volt" lamps and would shorten their life a bit.
>
>Originally, the 32-volt sets were used with sixteen individual
>lead-acid cells and they were actually charged to about 37 volts.
>
>Some of the 32-volt sets used "Edison" nickel-iron batteries.  It
>took about 26 cells (1.2 volts per cell) to form the bank.
>
>Charging time depends on the state of discharge of the batteries,
>the voltage and current available and how "soft" the generators
>are.  Most times, don't expect peak charging current except when
>the batteries are almost fully discharged.  The current will
>taper-off as the batteries reach full charge.
>
>If you can actually maintain current to full charge voltage,
>divide the amp-hour capacity of the batteries by the charging
>current and add about 50% to get the charging time.
>
>Simple, eh?
>
>Take care - Elden


Hi Elden and Curt,
         I appreciate your answers - thank you.

         As I answered on the "other" list, it is not my intention to "end 
up" with 32 volts (which I omitted to mention in my original post) - I'm 
going to use 12 volts and was just wondering if I could use one of my 32 
volt genny's to charge the 3 batteries at the same time. It was just an 
idea (some would say "brain fart" :-) ) but I realise that it was 
unrealistic and I will connect them in parallel and just use a 12 volts 
machine to charge them. (I've got a few 12 volt charging sets - Iron Horse 
- Briggs and A.N.Other). Of course there is also the trusty old battery 
charger plugged into the mains supply.

         Regarding  8 volt batteries. I have never seen an 8 volt battery 
in South Africa - they may have been available many years ago but 
definitely not for the last 35 years or more. We could find 6 volt 
batteries relatively easily up to about 25 years ago but the supply 
eventually dwindled to the stage that the only way to get them these days 
is by special import. There was a manufacturer in Durban not too many years 
ago who still made small batches but I believe they also no longer do so. 
The market is just too small. Our vintage car and FATG's battle with this 
problem and, although not original, it is common to see conversions to 12 volt.

         The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm 
scrapheaps :-)

         In my teenage years, I remember my Dad "scrounging" old batteries 
from battery suppliers. He would then isolate any dead cells and bridge the 
good cells until he ended up with 32 volts. Quite easy in those days when 
the thick lead bars connecting each cell were exposed on top of the battery 
but a different story today with sealed batteries.

         Thanks guys and keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:53:34 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:53:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<1883493649.6649381286732882733.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpoQ9U=XgE3QuALyQhat-MBDpoV_EboQ5UfkP4@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 October 2010 18:48,  <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jerry,
> I just did google search for 8 volt batteries and easily came up with one source and looks like there may be a few more if you look further.Based on the curency exchange looks like the Trojan brand would run you about what we pay here.
> Try: ?<www.sustainable.co.za/>
> Curt

8V sealed lead-acid is a standard for UPS back-up systems, most of the
battery makers make them, including Yuasa, Hitachi and panasonic.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:57:04 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:57:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+rPPBn-5tQDFeumM7wbb4Nd_fSYcoQ7PA4_1F@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 October 2010 18:14, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> ? ? ? ? The only glass batteries I've seen (even as a kid) were on farm
> scrapheaps :-)

Take a look at our company website:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are literally thousands in everyday use in the UK, used in
sub-stations to provide emergency breaker tripping power in the event
of mains failure.

We replace quite a few every year, one 110V set was recently saved and
supplied to the Anson Engine Museum, and a slightly more modern 110v
set was also saved and supplied to Internal Fire Museum.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 11 07:05:01 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:05:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101010182209.01e5dfc8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEPCCBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

There's no reason you can't charge three IDENTICAL 12 volt
batteries in series with your gensets.  Usually, on 32 volt DC
systems, there is a way to either shift the brushes or adjust
field current up a little to 41.4 volts (the nominal terminal
voltage for a 90% fully charged lead-acid battery).

Just remember that the weaker cells in the string will overcharge
or, if a cell or two is shorted, the rest of the string will be
overcharged.  If you can get at the individual cell connectors,
measure the voltage to make sure that they don't exceed 2.35
volts for any appreciable time.

I'll bet that's more than you wanted to know about battery
charging!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:14 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 11 09:35:21 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL 32 Volt Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1286726402.27894.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W29CBCA28FEBB46BA9A56AACB530@phx.gbl>


"8-volt batteries are available (at least in the U.S.) at farm supply stores and the larger auto parts stores."

And at Wal-Mart, at least in farm country.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway






 		 	   		  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Oct 11 13:29:53 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:29:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 32 volt question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1286812802.2184.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101011220800.01e3bae8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Thanks for all the replies.

         I have put the idea aside for a week or 3 as I have more important 
work to do at the moment but will get back to it as soon as I get a chance.

         I stand corrected about availability of 8 volt batteries in South 
Africa but maybe I should have mentioned that I was thinking of  readily 
available "automotive" type batteries not special application batteries.

         Curt, the link to an 8 volt battery from a solar power supplier 
would be considered a special application here and not readily available 
"over the counter" . Also the price is extremely high. I realise it is a 
175 Ah battery but I can buy 4 very good quality, imported, sealed 100Ah 
truck batteries here for slightly less than one of those 8 volt batteries. 
The batteries I use are imported from South Korea and I've been using the 
same brand for about 16 years with very good results. Our locally 
manufactured batteries are junk and last 1 year and 1 week - the guarantee 
is 1 year !!! I get at least 4 and sometimes as much as 6 years from the 
Korean batteries.

         Thanks again guys for all the replies - lets put the topic to bed 
now :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 13 11:32:26 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:32:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tractor humor
In-Reply-To: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <9082bebbce49423942cfc52a66c1242c.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>


But will the tractor guys get it? :-)

Someone can post this over to the tractor list....
Curt


Cletus is passing by Billy Bob's hay barn one day when through a gap in
the door he sees Billy Bob doing a slow and sensual striptease in front
of an old green John Deere. Buttocks clenched he performs a slow
pirouette and gently slides off first the right strap of his overalls,
followed by the
left. He then hunches his shoulders forward and in a
classic striptease move and lets his overalls fall down to his hips
revealing a torn and frayed plaid shirt. Grabbing both sides of his
shirt he rips it apart to reveal his stained tee shirt underneath. With a
final flourish he tears the tee shirt
from his body and hurls his baseball cap onto a pile of hay.

Having seen enough, Cletus rushes in and says "what the heck are you doing
Billy Bob!?"

"Jeez,
Cletus, ya scared the bejeezers out of me," says an obviously
embarrassed Billy Bob, "but me and the Ole lady been having trouble
lately in the bedroom department, and the Therapist suggested I do
something sexy to a tractor."







From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 13 11:29:22 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:29:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>


Hey all,
Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
here they are.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>

Enjoy,
Curt Holland




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 14 04:50:13 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:50:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
Message-ID: <4e646.8ec0267.39e84875@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/13/2010 10:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbna
ils.html


Curt,
 
I need to figure how to make it to that show next year.  Been a bad  year 
for me and shows due to some illnesses.
 
Thanks for the photos.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 07:09:22 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

Nice pictures.
Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
Two of those engines spent time in my barn.

Any guesses on which two engines?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


Hey all,
Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
here they are.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>

Enjoy,
Curt Holland


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 09:49:16 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:49:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>

I know one of them George!
	Dave
PS, Believe it was PINK back then.

On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning  
> Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
> photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 10:24:04 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <1AB31E78-2C24-4D2C-9211-FD77D2AE476A@me.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
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I'll have to check on my computers and see if I still have any of the old photos of that engine.
Definitely is nicer looking now, but then oxidized old red paint and layers of grease and dirt have that barn fresh appeal as well.

Wouldn't mind seeing it again at the Coolspring show next June. ;-)
I case you don't know I'll be at Coolspring next June with a van full of Dutch and Belgian engine collectors.  Sort of a payback tour for some of the EHOWT collectors I've visited on past European trips.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:49 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

I know one of them George!
	Dave
PS, Believe it was PINK back then.

On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning  
> Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
> photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 14 10:40:46 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:40:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Curt,
>
>Nice pictures.
>Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
>I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
>Any guesses on which two engines?
>
>George

Hi George,
         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 14 10:51:45 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:51:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:29:22 -0600
>From: curt at rustyiron.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Hey all,
>Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
>event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
>here they are.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>
>
>Enjoy,
>Curt Holland




Thanks for the nice pics Curt. I really thought that you were older than 
this - see:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/P1010021.html>

I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously 
never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

         Looks like a great show.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 14 10:56:34 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:56:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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Jerry,

You're right.

Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that have been in my barn over the years.  
Would make a nice collection if I still had them.

However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've hauled on my trailers over the years!

Oh well.....  I should be happy with what I've still got.  
Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!

At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12

At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Curt,
>
>Nice pictures.
>Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
>I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
>Any guesses on which two engines?
>
>George

Hi George,
         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 14 11:22:25 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:22:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
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Or Girlie engines under special girlie tarps!     
 
                                     Steve
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:56:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> You're right.
> 
> Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that have been in my barn over the years. 
> Would make a nice collection if I still had them.
> 
> However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've hauled on my trailers over the years!
> 
> Oh well..... I should be happy with what I've still got. 
> Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!
> 
> At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
> 
> At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
> >From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
> >
> >Curt,
> >
> >Nice pictures.
> >Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines that 
> >I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> >Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
> >
> >Any guesses on which two engines?
> >
> >George
> 
> Hi George,
> I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag lets 
> just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 14:36:26 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:36:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
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	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Hi George,
	I seem to remember something about you and Coolspring in 2011-- 
however, I didn't know you were bringing "foreeners!" I've already  
reserved the SEL spot with Jake at the end of row two along the woods.  
You (and they) should consider it your "home away from home" while  
there!
	Dave
PS, I'll have the Galloway there!
PPS, Arnie and I will bring plenty of soft drinks for the "foreeners."

On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Best, George wrote:

> I'll have to check on my computers and see if I still have any of  
> the old photos of that engine.
> Definitely is nicer looking now, but then oxidized old red paint and  
> layers of grease and dirt have that barn fresh appeal as well.
>
> Wouldn't mind seeing it again at the Coolspring show next June. ;-)
> I case you don't know I'll be at Coolspring next June with a van  
> full of Dutch and Belgian engine collectors.  Sort of a payback tour  
> for some of the EHOWT collectors I've visited on past European trips.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
> I know one of them George!
> 	Dave
> PS, Believe it was PINK back then.
>
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines
>> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>>
>> George
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> ] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:29 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning
>> Days
>> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few
>> photos and
>> here they are.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html
>>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Curt Holland
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 15:00:28 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:00:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
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References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>

Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the  
caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the  
friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better  
friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just  
before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've  
owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
	Dave

On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Best, George wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> You're right.
>
> Seeing those engine photos got me to thinking about engines that  
> have been in my barn over the years.
> Would make a nice collection if I still had them.
>
> However, a nicer collection would be all the engines that I've  
> hauled on my trailers over the years!
>
> Oh well.....  I should be happy with what I've still got.
> Besides I hardly have room for the engines I have now!
>
> At least I don't have engines under blue tarps ;-)
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
>
> At 06:00 PM 14/10/2010, you wrote:
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:09:22 -0500
>> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas,  
>> NC
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
>> that
>> I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>>
>> George
>
> Hi George,
>         I recognise one but without letting the cat out of the bag  
> lets
> just say that the brass plate was made in South Africa :-)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of  
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> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient,  
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication  
> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in  
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> and any attachments from your system.
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 14 17:07:25 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:07:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
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	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?






From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 14 17:31:37 2010
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:31:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <BBF8EC96916C46398FA57D5471FE62F7@KerryPC>

Dave, Well said

Kerry



> Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the  
> caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the  
> friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better  
> friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just  
> before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've  
> owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> Dave
>


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Thu Oct 14 18:20:11 2010
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (ashpow at westnet.com.au)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:11 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
Message-ID: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>

Hey all 


I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly repairing. 
There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be looking? 
I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the other bits are not so easy to find though. 


I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia. 


Cheers 
Ash 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 14 18:53:45 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:53:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <f4733a8ff2286a92b0029c23d1c75521.squirrel@rustyiron.com>

>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the nice pics Curt. I really thought that you were older than
> this - see:

Just wait 'till I grow up....on second thought I don't wanna :-)
Curt


> I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you
> obviously never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

Sadly that never got organized, but there was plenty of eye candy to look
at anyway.
Curt






From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 14 18:53:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:53:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
In-Reply-To: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>
References: <1834067160.1281631287105611537.JavaMail.root@zim-store03.web.westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <8C0970C7-6EFE-4910-ADFE-F0C641681986@me.com>

Hi Ash, What parts do you need?
	Dave

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:20 PM, ashpow at westnet.com.au wrote:

> Hey all
>
>
> I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly  
> repairing.
> There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be  
> looking?
> I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the  
> other bits are not so easy to find though.
>
>
> I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ash


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 14 21:42:06 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101014194106.01e63ea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
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Jerry,  We tried...

But Missy, Mel, and Debbie were quite rude in reply when we suggested it...

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 14, 2010 1:51 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:

> I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously
> never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 04:02:58 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:02:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287072002.31302.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101014193130.01e1f2e8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BD83B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<A5A96954-D141-4EC2-826C-1FDA811F5D2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdC+2gZ85t7AMof-ZsYBmzHSnxpW59n_CY-6+z@mail.gmail.com>

On 14 October 2010 23:00, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the
> caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the
> friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better
> friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just
> before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've
> owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> ? ? ? ?Dave

Agree 100%, Dave.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 07:18:19 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:18:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F47608727@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.  Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in 1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.  This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 15 09:53:37 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:53:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F47608727@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Hey george, I'll take a guess. Was it Caddy "fire mist Red" when you Got it?
How about the C&D  Cya, @ Woodland? Jimmy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.
Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A
friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one
time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and
was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I
don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up
for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the
Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in
1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.
This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA,
OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my
possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Oct 15 10:03:13 2010
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:03:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <8E5BAEE3F3E048788139946DC53C2B28@packard971eb80>

I don?t have to guess George, I know for 100% sure that it was that nice 
engine on the first picture;-)
Now Steve has a few engines that were at your place at one time, as he also 
has that Samson from Holland that has spend awile at your place.....

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


> No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine. 
> Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place. 
> A friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.
>
> As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at 
> one time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the 
> engine and was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short 
> and because I don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I 
> picked it up for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before 
> hauling it to the Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I 
> think that was in 1999.
>
> So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn. 
> This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, 
> OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my 
> possession.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Nice pictures.
>> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines
>> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
>> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>>
>> Any guesses on which two engines?
>
> Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?
>
>
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 10:50:46 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <15DA4715752B454F98FBA9513D415A61@VALUED3253602F>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Yep.

The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.

On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.  The re-restoration of the engine was done by someone else and they put the brass tag on the engine although I don't agree with the location they put the tag.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

Hey george, I'll take a guess. Was it Caddy "fire mist Red" when you Got it?
How about the C&D  Cya, @ Woodland? Jimmy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

No, but I did have a F-M portable cart like that but minus the engine.
Wasn't mine, just one of the many things that have passed thru my place.  A
friend of mine bought it and I hauled it to Nebraska several years ago.

As most of you have gathered from Dave's email, the 16hp Galloway was at one
time in the Pacific NW.  A collector in Washington state had the engine and
was selling his engine collection.  To make a long story short and because I
don't remember all the details, Dave bought the engine and I picked it up
for him.  I took it to a couple shows in Oregon before hauling it to the
Portland Indiana show where I delivered it to Dave.  I think that was in
1999.

So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.
This other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA,
OR, and CA.  It has changed hands a couple times since it left my
possession.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Nice pictures.
> Thought it was interesting that two of the pictures showed engines  
> that I've exhibited at shows on the west coast!
> Two of those engines spent time in my barn.
>
> Any guesses on which two engines?

Could one have been the portable Fairbanks Morse?




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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 15 10:55:16 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:55:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <8E5BAEE3F3E048788139946DC53C2B28@packard971eb80>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14><57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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	<8E5BAEE3F3E048788139946DC53C2B28@packard971eb80>
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That's right!
Just another in a long line of engines that have taken a ride on my trailer.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

I don?t have to guess George, I know for 100% sure that it was that nice 
engine on the first picture;-)
Now Steve has a few engines that were at your place at one time, as he also 
has that Samson from Holland that has spend awile at your place.....

Harry


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:38:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:38:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Lister D parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015202542.01fbf850@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:11 +0800 (WST)
>From: ashpow at westnet.com.au
>Subject: [SEL] Lister D parts
>
>Hey all
>I'm still pretty new to this hobby and have a Lister D im slowly repairing.
>There are a few parts I need to get it functional, where should I be looking?
>I keep an eye on eBay and scored a fuel tank for it recently, the other 
>bits are not so easy to find though.
>I'm in Armidale, NSW - Australia.
>Cheers
>Ash

Hi Ash,
         Welcome to a great hobby and great friends on this list and 
everywhere else you find engine people.

         The Lister D is still pretty easy to find parts for as it was a 
very popular engine with a production run starting about 1926 and going 
through to the sixties sometime. One of the longest ever production runs 
for a stationary engine.

         Your best bet is to find and join a club in your area - meet 
people and ask around for spares. Many people have a few D's lying around 
in the shed somewhere. At least that is the case here in South Africa - Aus 
may be different due to the number of engines like the Ronnie N that were 
built in Aus. and probably took a greater market share there than the Lister D.

         Also have a look at David Edgingtons books on the Lister D here:
<www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk> all well worth the price.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:44:21 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:44:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13/Good People
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015204053.01f85c18@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 15
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:02:58 +0100
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 12
>
>On 14 October 2010 23:00, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> > Like you George, I remember fondly the engines of which I've been the
> > caretaker over the years. However, more importantly I remember the
> > friends I've come to know having been involved in this hobby. Better
> > friends, better people, one could not ask for. I'm sure that just
> > before turning "room temperature" I'll not reflect on engines I've
> > owned, but feel sure that I'll remember the good friends that I've made!
> > ? ? ? ?Dave
>
>Agree 100%, Dave.
>
>Peter

Dave,
         I also agree - great people - even those in faraway places (from 
me) that I have never met face to face.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 15 11:47:42 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:47:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287158403.21005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101015204503.01fc7ca0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:42:06 -0400
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Jerry,  We tried...
>But Missy, Mel, and Debbie were quite rude in reply when we suggested it...
>See ya,  Arnie
>On Thu, October 14, 2010 1:51 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> > I see the water in Arnies pumping outfit was quite clean - so you obviously
> > never got the mud wrestling competition going? :-)

Hell Arnie,
         That's a bummer but I thought you may have imported "Bambi and 
Nitro" or have they not yet recovered from Reg's visit ? :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct 15 14:59:06 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:59:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Otto Engine info please
Message-ID: <EAF1EDBF70424AD3A461A5C7FDFB75FF@peterlowe>

Hi All

Have a look at the web page here and see if anyone can answer my question please.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/otto-engine.htm



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 15 16:37:53 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:37:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F47608727@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F475BCE62@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<812CBAA8-D6DB-4E48-B97C-42C06AA8BA73@rustyiron.com>
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Message-ID: <0207ae75d631e9203541fc6334aaa1e6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

George,

That's cos the question is just too easy.  That would be the gorgeous RED tank
cooled Cavenaugh & Darley vertical sideshaft that now lives in the shed of the good
Cloistered Oyster.  And she runs as good as she looks.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 15, 2010 10:18 am, Best, George wrote:

> So far no one has guessed correctly the other engine that was in my barn.  This
> other engine is one that I owned for many years and had shown in WA, OR, and CA.  It
> has changed hands a couple times since it left my possession.





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 03:32:10 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:32:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics
Message-ID: <C8DFCA5A.5F5F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


Some pics from today at Campbelltown Steam Museum.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct10/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Oct 16 03:36:57 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:36:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Otto Engine
Message-ID: <B906BA4A4E5C4FEB8D2BFEB817900EBA@peterlowe>

Hi guys

This one looks close to the picture I posted earlier on the Otto Engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myYN2l_-Z50


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 16 10:42:50 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:42:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Yep.
>
>The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.
>
>On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.
>  <Snip>
>George

Actually the first pic is the Red Devil George,
         2nd pic is Daves Galloway.
Keep well,
Jerry 

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 16 10:54:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:54:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Campbelltown Pics
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016195122.029c0638@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 10
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:32:10 +1100
>From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics
>
>Some pics from today at Campbelltown Steam Museum.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct10/index.htm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

Hi Patrick,
         Thanks - great pics as always. That looks like a nice place for a 
rally.

         I particularly liked the pics of engines on the banks of the 
stream. Beautiful setting for them and so different to most of the rally 
pics we see.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 20:45:58 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:45:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
Message-ID: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html

Hopefully it will be home in the next few of weeks (before the baby comes).


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 16 21:19:02 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:19:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F589FFAD-1F21-4951-BD67-03F562B9F74C@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html



I was wondering, but wasn't going to ask.  I kind of assumed you were  
selling engines to buy wallpaper for the baby's room, or chew toys for  
Petra.  She sure is a neat engine.

Do you know how many pushrod engines exist?  How many were converted?   
Was the pushrod engine a dud, necessitating the conversion, or did R&T  
just have really good salesmen?





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 21:35:36 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:35:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <F589FFAD-1F21-4951-BD67-03F562B9F74C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C8E0C848.5F86%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Baby?s room is done & Petra has enough toys already ;)
There are six (possibly 7) pushrod Austral?s known to survive, two are
verticals and there are four horizontals (and only two of these are
portables). There are seven engines confirmed to be converted/refurbished
pushrod engines and no two of these are the same. The pushrod engines were a
bit of a failure so R-T licensed Carter?s patent (i.e. Blackstone) and the
Austral sideshaft engine was born in 1908 with engine No.217. It is thought
that R-T bought back (or took as trade in) the pushrod engines and either
broke them up or rebuilt them but I have not confirmed this. What is
interesting is that the factory waited three years to rebuild the pushrod
engines with non of them re-emerging from the factory until late 1911.
Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett were fantastic salesmen. They were not shy of
boasting (even if it was not true). In the 20?s they boasted that they had
made 300 of the early engines before ?improving? on the design. This was
certainly not true, with the first engine being No.51 and the first
sideshaft engine being No.217 simple maths says they did not built (or even
sell) 300 pushrod engines.
I am busily researching and updating the Austral register as well as writing
a few articles for TOMM on Australs. It gives me something to do before the
baby comes ;)
Patrick


On 17/10/10 3:19 PM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
> 
> 
> I was wondering, but wasn't going to ask.  I kind of assumed you were selling
> engines to buy wallpaper for the baby's room, or chew toys for Petra.  She
> sure is a neat engine.
> 
> Do you know how many pushrod engines exist?  How many were converted?  Was the
> pushrod engine a dud, necessitating the conversion, or did R&T just have
> really good salesmen?
>  
>  
>      <http://www.rustyiron.com/>
>      <http://www.rustyiron.com/PhoneRob.html>
>  
> 
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct 17 06:38:44 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:38:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For those who were wondering...
In-Reply-To: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E0BCA6.5F7D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <773ab820d0dccdc388d42ae79a5c3150.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Patrick,

Man, that's one SWEET Austral!!  It looks all original and complete; is it?
What HP?  Judging by how great she looks, I'm assuming that she's a good runner?

Nice find!  Congrats.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Did you get the lead that the engine was for sale as a result of running the
Austral register?

On Sat, October 16, 2010 11:45 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> For those who were wondering what I was selling engines to buy:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
>
> Hopefully it will be home in the next few of weeks (before the baby comes).





From bdb at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 17 19:49:57 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:49:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show 2011


> 
> August 24-28  is the date. No idea the feature.  You would think that 
> this would be on their web site but if it is I can not find it. Had 
> to dig out a magnet to get the date.   Mark
> 
> 
> At 10:20 AM 9/29/2010, you wrote:
> 
>>Could someone give me the dates for the Portland 2011 show?   Any 
>>idea what the feature engine is?
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>
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> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Oct 18 02:09:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:09:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Mystery fuel pump help
Message-ID: <D5A6F6D138F749229A96CA774FF17F82@peterlowe>

Hi Guys

No help so far and 16hrs to go, can anyone identify this fuel pump please.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110597142670&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:CA:1123


Peter

From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Oct 18 07:21:01 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:21:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1287244802.3159.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20101016194018.02999af8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F48690F8B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Oops.  Knew it was the first two pictures that Curt posted, but hadn't checked which order they were in when I made that posting.  Oh well.......

Did think it was interesting that the first two pictures were of engines I had at one time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:43 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC

At 06:00 PM 16/10/2010, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:50:46 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>Yep.
>
>The first two photos that Curt posted we're of engines that I had at one time.
>
>On the second picture Jerry's brass tag is partially visible on the cylinder.
>  <Snip>
>George

Actually the first pic is the Red Devil George,
         2nd pic is Daves Galloway.
Keep well,
Jerry 
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 07:28:47 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:28:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>

hi all,
Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117

hope you enjoy.

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA






From k6mw at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 18 08:12:42 2010
From: k6mw at sbcglobal.net (Mike W)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:12:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>

Thanks for sharing the event Kelley....
Where did you ever locate the press on this side of the country? It looks 
great!
 Also, what are you using for the collection bag? Cheese cloth ? It looks 
like it's custom made for the collection bucket?

Thanks,

Mike
Vacaville, CA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


> hi all,
> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at 
> YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a 
> bigger, higher quality video, go here: 
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>
> hope you enjoy.
>
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> La Habra, California
> USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 08:33:00 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:33:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>

hi all,
Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117

hope you enjoy.

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA






From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 18 12:00:56 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:00:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  putting the old equipment back to work!
Message-ID: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>


That made my mouth water!  What do you do with the pressings?

Granddad used to give his leftovers from making wine to the chickens.  Nothing amuses a small boy like a yard full of drunken chickens.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 18 13:45:35 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>

Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was going 
through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a small 
aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just like the 
little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no handle. 
It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know when this 
was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.




From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:21:06 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:21:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W51C645B7C5074F5BA8F27CB5A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A3FB1766-6B8D-414F-8297-AF3F4674773A@rustyiron.com>

we only have two (urban) chickens.  they got their share of apples.  I suggested to Rob to talk to the HS ag farm dude to see about bringing the waste to the cows, goats and sheep but he didn't want to.  it's now all in the trash can to be hauled away Wednesday

********
See ya,
Kelley 

On Oct 18, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Bruce Younger wrote:

> 
> That made my mouth water!  What do you do with the pressings?
> 
> Granddad used to give his leftovers from making wine to the chickens.  Nothing amuses a small boy like a yard full of drunken chickens.
> 
> Bruce Younger   
> 
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   
> 
> Madison, SD  
> 
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com   
> 
> 
> 
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   
> 
> E. Hemingway
> 
> 
> 
> 		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:26:23 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:26:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
	<D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
Message-ID: <40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>

we purchased the press from a buddy - not sure where he got it from.

the bags are home-made to fit the buckets.  cheese cloth is too week.  this is something like nylon ticking.  it helped keep the majority of the lumps out.  we poured the juice thru a strainer to get any other bits of lumps before going into the bottle

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA




On Oct 18, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Mike W wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the event Kelley....
> Where did you ever locate the press on this side of the country? It looks 
> great!
> Also, what are you using for the collection bag? Cheese cloth ? It looks 
> like it's custom made for the collection bucket?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> Vacaville, CA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kelley Garcia" <kgarcia at rustyiron.com>
> To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL email 
> discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:28 AM
> Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
> 
> 
>> hi all,
>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at 
>> YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a 
>> bigger, higher quality video, go here: 
>> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>> 
>> hope you enjoy.
>> 
>> ********
>> Kelley Garcia
>> La Habra, California
>> USA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 14:37:14 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:37:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

SO Rob & Kelley,

Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
> hi all,
> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 14:52:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:52:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
	<D951555A3B0E452594FF5F6B6ACD717C@MikePC>
	<40CAC4BC-F443-43AE-AC47-6EA4E1B197C4@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <3c964d51b81d99208ce3e5b006156a4f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Kelley,

On Mon, October 18, 2010 5:26 pm, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>
> the bags are home-made to fit the buckets.  cheese cloth is too week.  this is
> something like nylon ticking.

They were pressing cider with a press like that at a local show a few years ago and
the fabric failed.  A nice SPLOOTCH! of apple mush shot out the hole.

> it helped keep the majority of the lumps out.  we
> poured the juice thru a strainer to get any other bits of lumps before going into
> the bottle

Around here the major source of "lumps" to strain out are drowing yellow jackets!
Nasty lil' bastards!  8-((

See ya,  Arnie



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 14:41:14 2010
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:41:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>

most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1 gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the stairs!

So when you coming out west for a taste?

********
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, California
USA




On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> SO Rob & Kelley,
> 
> Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>> hi all,
>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
>> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 15:11:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:11:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Kelley,

On Mon, October 18, 2010 5:41 pm, Kelley Garcia wrote:
> most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1
> gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the
> stairs!

Sounds like scrumpy in your future to me....

> So when you coming out west for a taste?

What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?

See ya,  Arnie



From jneth3 at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 15:50:25 2010
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F23B41D4-61E2-43BA-8913-3D3EE52EADFF@mac.com>

When it gets nice and hard, freeze it and then chip away the clear ice.  What's left is really good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Kelley Garcia <kgarcia at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> most of it went to pay for the child labor.  we have 2 gallons in the freezer, 1 gallon in the fridge and Rob's got 4.5 gallons fermenting in the closet under the stairs!
> 
> So when you coming out west for a taste?
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> La Habra, California
> USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> 
>> SO Rob & Kelley,
>> 
>> Whatcha gonna do with all the cider?  May I suggest making some scrumpy?
>> 
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> 
>> On Mon, October 18, 2010 11:33 am, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>>> hi all,
>>> Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A video of it is at YouTube
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.  Or, for viewing a bigger, higher
>>> quality video, go here: http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Oct 18 16:06:51 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:06:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>



The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start 
engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without 
a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also 
a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems 
like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember 
who had it.
  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have 
ever seen.       Mark


At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was going
>through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a small
>aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just like the
>little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no handle.
>It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know when this
>was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 18:11:24 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:11:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?


So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both  
expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.







From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 18:53:31 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:53:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>

If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of  
gasoline! I believe that still "works"
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> who had it.
>  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> ever seen.       Mark
>
>
> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was  
>> going
>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a  
>> small
>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just  
>> like the
>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no  
>> handle.
>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know  
>> when this
>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 18 19:35:42 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:35:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!

And thus, Skinner-san, without even trying, you have matched the body of this email
to the subject line; but with a totally different direction.  8->>>

Wicked!!

On Mon, October 18, 2010 9:11 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>
> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.
>




From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 18 19:37:23 2010
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
Message-ID: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>

I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup


> If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of  
> gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
>> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
>> who had it.
>>  No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>> ever seen.       Mark
>>
>>
>> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was  
>>> going
>>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a  
>>> small
>>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just  
>>> like the
>>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no  
>>> handle.
>>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know  
>>> when this
>>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw
>> 454 County Road 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> USA
>>
>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 19:47:01 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:47:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <D45AC414-4916-4911-8F4A-0A857D5F059F@me.com>

I had never heard of that before Barry. However, I'll try it at the  
next show!
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:37 PM, Barry wrote:

> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>
>
>> If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
>> gasoline! I believe that still "works"
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>>> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version  
>>> without
>>> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>>> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>>> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not  
>>> remember
>>> who had it.
>>> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>>> ever seen.       Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
>>>> going
>>>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
>>>> small
>>>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
>>>> like the
>>>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
>>>> handle.
>>>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
>>>> when this
>>>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 18 19:44:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>

I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
	Dave

On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> ROFLMAO!!
>
> And thus, Skinner-san, without even trying, you have matched the  
> body of this email
> to the subject line; but with a totally different direction.  8->>>
>
> Wicked!!
>
> On Mon, October 18, 2010 9:11 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>>
>> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
>> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 18 21:30:46 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:30:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
Message-ID: <633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>


On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
> 	Dave

That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).








From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Oct 18 22:09:49 2010
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:09:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__putting_the_old_equipment_bac?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?k_to_work!?=
In-Reply-To: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
References: <EB3694C6-6CC4-4476-806A-2FFA1BEFC885@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4CBD281D.7060707@frontier.com>

Kelley Garcia wrote:
> hi all, Saturday we made apple cider using vintage equipment.  A
> video of it is at YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtpDYFY9ijo.
> Or, for viewing a bigger, higher quality video, go here:
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia#100117
> 
> hope you enjoy.
> 
> ******** Kelley Garcia La Habra, California USA
> 
> 

That press sure looks familiar...

HMM I have one just like it but without the fancy upgrades... Mine is
all hand powered and yours appears to have a stainless? tray in the
bottom. Mine has a soldered tin version.
The kids seem to enjoy running it during our FD BBQ events.

They also get a big kick out of the old corn sheller display I set up. I
usually have a progression from hand shelling through modern combines if
I can talk a dealer into a loan of one with a corn head. What gets real
strange then is that the kids will climb on/in the 'bine but seem
entranced by the old hand cranked single cob sheller! I think it is
mainly because they get to run it and see what it does (I have a cutaway
version setting next to it)

I only wish I had thought to video it... Maybe next fall. I usually set
up something spring related for our early BBQ.
Thought about a chicken display a few years ago but realized it might
make our sales fall off (we do chicken BBQ) due to the folks seeing the
progress from egg through adult birds.

Hmm maybe something along the lines of field prep...
Maybe from early days up through modern no-till gear.

-- 
Steve W.


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Oct 18 22:30:04 2010
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>


I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.  
 
Hope this really helps.
 
Peg Pfeiffer
 
> From: bdb at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> 
> > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of 
> > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > Dave
> > 
> > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> >> who had it.
> >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> >> ever seen. Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was 
> >>> going
> >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a 
> >>> small
> >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just 
> >>> like the
> >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no 
> >>> handle.
> >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know 
> >>> when this
> >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Shulaw
> >> 454 County Road 33
> >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> >> USA
> >>
> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Oct 18 23:12:05 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:12:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com><ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com><9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com><6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <510A066C378D424983ABB92614D3D48C@regpc>

Aw! She said I was the 'only one'
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


> 
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>> Dave
> 
> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Oct 18 23:13:44 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:13:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl><20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com><03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy><EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy><20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C530940DFDA04D338937A4311FF06125@regpc>

Hi Peg. I am in my cups too. Hic!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup


>
> I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay about 
> 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
>
> Hope this really helps.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>> From: bdb at mchsi.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>>
>> I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
>>
>>
>> > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
>> > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
>> >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
>> >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
>> >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
>> >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
>> >> who had it.
>> >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
>> >> ever seen. Mark
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
>> >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
>> >>> going
>> >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
>> >>> small
>> >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
>> >>> like the
>> >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
>> >>> handle.
>> >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
>> >>> when this
>> >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> SEL mailing list
>> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark Shulaw
>> >> 454 County Road 33
>> >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> >> USA
>> >>
>> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 03:07:02 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:07:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

I noticed the ignitor was missing from Dave's 16hp Galloway.  Wished i could 
have been there to film Dave working on an engine at a show.  Seems that 
earned me a spot on Youtube years ago!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC


>
> Hey all,
> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton Ginning Days
> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few photos and
> here they are.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Enjoy,
> Curt Holland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Oct 19 03:15:16 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:15:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <12D16098-3F74-43DA-82FE-58B248E32348@ncable.com.au>

Hi Kelly, really neat stuff. You guys did tell me the old press was a ripper. Can't argue with that. So how did you get the Lorenz into the back yard!

take care Russ and Carmel
PS: This e-mail was generated also by a Mac! Gave up on the home monster.


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 04:31:59 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <510A066C378D424983ABB92614D3D48C@regpc>
Message-ID: <577294.55402.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think you got that wrong Reg, what she said was "One at a time".

Joe
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:


From: Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 1:12 AM


Aw! She said I was the 'only one'
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



      

From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Oct 19 07:24:37 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>

That sounds like one of those red handled kitchen measure cups thats 
not marked maytag Mark


At 01:30 AM 10/19/2010, you wrote:

>I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay 
>about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
>
>Hope this really helps.
>
>Peg Pfeiffer
>
> > From: bdb at mchsi.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> >
> > I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> >
> >
> > > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
> > > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> > >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> > >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> > >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> > >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> > >> who had it.
> > >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> > >> ever seen. Mark
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> > >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
> > >>> going
> > >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
> > >>> small
> > >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
> > >>> like the
> > >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
> > >>> handle.
> > >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
> > >>> when this
> > >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> SEL mailing list
> > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mark Shulaw
> > >> 454 County Road 33
> > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > >> USA
> > >>
> > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> SEL mailing list
> > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 19 08:46:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:46:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
Message-ID: <9fe89e42747001502f3fa96970db21e4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pass on Tulare 2011 or pass on Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage?
I'll never tell Bambi or Nitro if that was the concern...

On Mon, October 18, 2010 10:44 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>>> What are the dates in April 2011 for Tulare?
>>> So far, Ellie Mae Goatknacker and Tasheka Peurdefromage have both
>>> expressed interest in being your dates for Tulare.





From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Oct 19 09:57:05 2010
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Cup
In-Reply-To: <20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <SNT118-W260AA079E0C7DD90840FDAC8670@phx.gbl>,
	<20100929150016.310F593B7@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<03D4D8F64C934527B5712BCCCD5E0C2A@Buffystoy>,
	<EA05AF8115434311BE6EF047995F426E@Buffystoy>,
	<20101018230647.709DC93B2@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<4ED0BD98-FCB5-45B9-81CD-8B707DCD925D@me.com>,
	<CC1DCA238BAA4A99B6EFCDF61E45032F@Buffystoy>,
	<BLU137-W215F9D39AA41842001E351E75B0@phx.gbl>,
	<20101019142432.2069192E4@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W371CE3F6C31AFDB7D1A2ECE75B0@phx.gbl>


NO it has the Maytag script embossed in the metal, and they are still found once in a while at auction, so I really think it is the real deal, since I remember using one just like it at my Grandmothers on her farm.
 
Peg
 
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:37 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> 
> That sounds like one of those red handled kitchen measure cups thats 
> not marked maytag Mark
> 
> 
> At 01:30 AM 10/19/2010, you wrote:
> 
> >I have one of these metal cups with the handle. I got it off of eBay 
> >about 5 years ago. It is a 4 OZ measuring cup, with 8 - 1/2 OZ marks in it.
> >
> >Hope this really helps.
> >
> >Peg Pfeiffer
> >
> > > From: bdb at mchsi.com
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:37:23 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> > >
> > > I also heard that a handful of emery dust helps to.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Cup
> > >
> > >
> > > > If memory serves the ratio was one cup of oil to 4,000 gal. of
> > > > gasoline! I believe that still "works"
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The aluminum cups were used with all the single and twin kick start
> > > >> engines. There are at least three versions of it. One version without
> > > >> a handle and two with handle but different diameters. There was also
> > > >> a red bakelite cup. In the 80s a black plastic cup was faked. Seems
> > > >> like a I seen a black bakelite cup a while back but I do not remember
> > > >> who had it.
> > > >> No idea what vintage each version is. No records of that I have
> > > >> ever seen. Mark
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> At 04:45 PM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
> > > >>> Hi all. I have a question for the Maytag gurus on the list. I was
> > > >>> going
> > > >>> through a box of goodies that I bought at an auction and found a
> > > >>> small
> > > >>> aluminum cup that has Maytag embossed on the bottom and looks just
> > > >>> like the
> > > >>> little measuring cup that went with the engines except there is no
> > > >>> handle.
> > > >>> It looks well used and has no holes for the handle. Anybody know
> > > >>> when this
> > > >>> was made and which engine it would go with. Thanks, Barry.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> SEL mailing list
> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark Shulaw
> > > >> 454 County Road 33
> > > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > > >> USA
> > > >>
> > > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> SEL mailing list
> > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From amkimmell at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 15:34:01 2010
From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:34:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
Message-ID: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hey guys,
I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?

Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg

Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

-Tony


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Oct 19 18:20:15 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:20:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>


I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 19:05:52 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:05:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <007a01cb6ffb$533c0d30$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Tommy, I will be there.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> 
> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 19 19:46:17 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:46:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
Message-ID: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.

Tim Christoff
Basehor KS.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>Tommy, I will be there.
>
>MR
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> 
>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Tim Christoff


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Oct 19 21:21:11 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:21:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E64B7E19BDFB453FA223AC8362D91876@regpc>

Sharp Tim! Very sharp!!
Still sniggering!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 19 22:19:01 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:19:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been collected. 
You can't keep it!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he could use...

On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Oct 19 23:48:28 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:48:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>

OOOH!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been 
> collected.
> You can't keep it!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he could 
> use...
>
> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor KS.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>
>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>
>>>MR
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>
>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone 
>>>> could
>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 03:36:43 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:36:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000801cb7042$b0673f60$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

It pleases me to say I have no blue tarps!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor KS.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>
>>MR
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:20 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone could
>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 03:38:05 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:38:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net><f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>
Message-ID: <001701cb7042$e14e7940$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Oh to suffer the slings and arrows of one's friends!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> OOOH!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been
>> collected.
>> You can't keep it!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he 
>> could
>> use...
>>
>> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>> Basehor KS.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>>
>>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>>
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule 
>>>>> has
>>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone
>>>>> could
>>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 20 03:49:15 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:49:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
References: <10300114.1287542777178.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net><f66c9ac625e9b75f1efc885f9484c8fe.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><E5E7667DFDAA4E6F9FD1D256CF492B90@regpc>
	<001701cb7042$e14e7940$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <17EEECFD27B844DD9F407EF192EA4706@regpc>

Mike, mate, where would we be without the repartee??
It gives us our daily smile!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend


> Oh to suffer the slings and arrows of one's friends!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>
>
>> OOOH!!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold
>> Newcastle NSW Australia
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
>>
>>
>>> Plus Mike, I think he said that he wants the item back after it's been
>>> collected.
>>> You can't keep it!
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>> PS - Tim, Mike DOES have one top quality Girlie Engine cover that he
>>> could
>>> use...
>>>
>>> On Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>>> He did say shed, garage or barn Mike, not a blue tarp.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Christoff
>>>> Basehor KS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tommy, I will be there.
>>>>>
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
>>>>>> weekend.  I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> changed and I can't be there.  Its not a large item and if someone
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
>>>>>> connect with them it would be a great help.  Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 




From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 05:12:06 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:12:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>

I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced  
him to Takesha.
	Dave

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>> 	Dave
>
> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From gop4evr at lsol.net  Wed Oct 20 06:22:02 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:22:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <A9CB9BC9-4EAD-41CA-9782-728719917FEC@lsol.net>

I'm having some trouble with the photo, but yes, Sears did sell a lot of farm related equipment under the Farm Master logo.  Much of it was built by David Bradley corp., but there were several other suppliers.  Winco made some of the generators.  I'm sure there was at least one other manufacturer of some of their generators, but memory is not coming up with it right now.  In many cases, the stand-alone equipment was the same unit as was used with the tractors, just with different mounts.  A picture would help confirm that.


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From gop4evr at lsol.net  Wed Oct 20 06:28:23 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:28:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>

The picture finally did come up after I sent out my earlier reply.  I can't see enough of the generator end to verify if it is one of the gens I'm familiar with.  Can you get a pic of the tail end of that beast?  


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From amkimmell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 06:51:41 2010
From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:51:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set
In-Reply-To: <8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>
References: <541686523-1287527641-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113445466-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><8E46F609-FEE8-4EAD-8D1F-89BD81C0681E@lsol.net>
Message-ID: <1024619482-1287582702-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-898379185-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Nels,
I'll get a better pic today when I go by.  It's in a town about an hour away that I go through while making deliveries.  The guy said I was the first one to ask about it.

-Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson Johnsrud <gop4evr at lsol.net>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:28:23 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Farm Master gen-set

The picture finally did come up after I sent out my earlier reply.  I can't see enough of the generator end to verify if it is one of the gens I'm familiar with.  Can you get a pic of the tail end of that beast?  


Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Tony Kimmell wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I came across an old generator for sale today.  It has a cast iron Briggs engine on it that looks to me like a model B.  The guy started it up for me and it makes electricity (he said it makes about 800 watts).  The tag says Farm Master on it.  Wasn't Farm Master a Sears brand?
> 
> Picture is at: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs021.ash2/34400_1639835713718_1171552032_1784614_1922804_n.jpg
> 
> Crappy cell phone pic, but it's all I could manage at the time.  If anyone has any info on this thing it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> -Tony
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 10:00:39 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:00:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
In-Reply-To: <8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
References: <57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>,
	<8526055AE27A444F882958D324480E79@ckcsdb40cdd57a>
Message-ID: <COL112-W56F477C522B147A33A8119955C0@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy, I have room in my shed for any of your new camstopper collectibles!   Steve

 
> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:20:15 -0400
> Subject: [SEL] Arden NC Show this weekend
> 
> 
> I need to chat with some folks who will be going to Arden this coming
> weekend. I have an item that needs to be picked up and my schedule has
> changed and I can't be there. Its not a large item and if someone could
> pick it up and put it in their shed, garage or barn until I could
> connect with them it would be a great help. Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 13:05:11 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
In-Reply-To: <006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <20101004213240.URZNQ.5492282.root@mp14>
	<57f2cc4768c85f8bfb338acd6b1f07c6.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<006d01cb6f75$6063ef90$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <788528D9-16C8-405A-B92C-00C56E6FF77F@me.com>

I think the difference was Mike that after I cleaned ti igniter the  
Galloway started right up and ran.
	Dave

On Oct 19, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Mike Royster wrote:

> I noticed the ignitor was missing from Dave's 16hp Galloway.  Wished  
> i could
> have been there to film Dave working on an engine at a show.  Seems  
> that
> earned me a spot on Youtube years ago!!!!
>
> MR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Photos Oct 8, 9, 10. Dallas, NC
>
>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Great weather and great friends made for another fine Cotton  
>> Ginning Days
>> event this year. Had a little time to run around and take a few  
>> photos and
>> here they are.
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2010/Thumbnails.html 
>> >
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Curt Holland
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 20 13:26:10 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:26:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com><ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com><9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com><6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com><633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
	<2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>
Message-ID: <6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>

That adds a new take to the title of this mail!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!


>I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced  
> him to Takesha.
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>
>>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>> Dave
>>
>> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
>> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From madolp8 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 14:31:19 2010
From: madolp8 at yahoo.com (Michael A. Dolph)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <954350.6819.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.? 1 1/2 hp, type L low tension mag.? 
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this?might be a good winter project.? I have two 
questions.? First, a source for instruction manuals/parts.? Second, are any of 
you guys near Cincinnati,?Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for a 
lesson?????????

mike


      



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 15:40:16 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
In-Reply-To: <954350.6819.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <271374.54953.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Manuals and parts.
google Hit & Miss Enterprises 

Or just go to http://www.hitnmiss.com/
Click on 








Scroll down to IHC-McCormick
Then click on Model "M"
?
Alan
?

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Michael A. Dolph <madolp8 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Michael A. Dolph <madolp8 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 5:31 PM


Hi folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.? 1 1/2 hp, type L low tension mag.? 
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this?might be a good winter project.? I have two 
questions.? First, a source for instruction manuals/parts.? Second, are any of 
you guys near Cincinnati,?Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for a 
lesson?????????

mike


? ? ? 

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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 20 17:11:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:11:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
In-Reply-To: <6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>
References: <21DC3FA5-2E3E-4FBC-B093-3C20573CCF50@rustyiron.com>
	<ce8a114f1570b508ed323f4b8e0fc70b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<806296AD-5C62-41E6-8BDA-40EB3C59C285@rustyiron.com>
	<9fa5405cc2312c4c2cc89379654d547e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BE7F809F-3E25-49D6-B80F-BB8856F2802C@rustyiron.com>
	<6b29960d20636bb53d8f26901cebe95d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<15568D3A-C857-4622-8E05-FD2AC58F0636@me.com>
	<633C52D9-7F95-4E81-B035-D87701821C2E@rustyiron.com>
	<2AD56FDC-B7DF-4DA8-AA74-F333EF07F079@me.com>
	<6310C673ADAA4D73A58685C3C51BF804@regpc>
Message-ID: <ADDBA2E4-415C-4D5A-861D-42C8A288E79A@me.com>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
	Dave

On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> That adds a new take to the title of this mail!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] putting the old equipment back to work!
>
>
>> I thought that Reg had taken care of that rash BEFORE you introduced
>> him to Takesha.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know we had talked about it Arnie, but I think I may pass!
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> That's a shame, Dave.  Takesha very much wanted to spend some time
>>> with the esteemed doctor (she has a rash she wants you to look at).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Oct 20 17:56:41 2010
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:56:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <149e80.38184300.39f0e9c9@aol.com>

Hey Mike;
I live on the East side of Cincinnati near Goshen, OH. I just happen  to 
have a show ready 1.5 hp "M" in the barn that you can use as a  restoration 
pattern. Contact me off list or look me up in the Cincy phone  book..
 
Tom Bellar
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2010 6:08:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
madolp8 at yahoo.com writes:

Hi  folks!

I recently uncovered an IHC type "M" egnine.  1 1/2 hp,  type L low tension 
mag.  
Rusted everywhere, stuck, but it's tagged  and the mag looks good.

I'm a newbie but I think this might be a  good winter project.  I have two 
questions.  First, a source for  instruction manuals/parts.  Second, are 
any of 
you guys near  Cincinnati, Ohio, for when I need to be taken to school for 
a  
lesson?        

mike




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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 22 00:27:56 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:27:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1931 Fairbanks Morse Type Y, Style H, 10 HP Brass Plate
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101022092332.01e4a700@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Can anyone out there please help with a better picture of this 
brass plate?

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/DataplateHB_crop.JPG>

         I would preferably need higher resolution, taken straight on and 
without any shadows. I have a broadband connection so original (from the 
camera and not reduced for e-mail) pictures would be best.

         Many thanks in advance.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:18:05 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:18:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
Message-ID: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>


Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale2010/allendale2010.html
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiR2cdQWmbA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7981a6W74dc
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS73cGlXs6Y
 

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan
USA 

 		 	   		  

From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 10:41:44 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:41:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
Message-ID: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>

Passing this along for everyones information.
	Dave

Begin forwarded message:

> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> To: rotigel at me.com
> Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
> notification
>
> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
>
> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> Location: Ontario, Canada
>
> Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below.
>
> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of  
> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of  
> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone  
> numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best  
> call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at the  
> Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
>
> Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>
> See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php
>
> To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following  
> link:
>
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
>
> The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
> http://www.enginads.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 13:26:41 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:26:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
Message-ID: <239327.4b700fb1.39f34d81@aol.com>

Dave,
 
Any idea what Kenny did to violate some law?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 22 13:40:20 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:40:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal immigrants crossing
the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard working guy
like Ken Meeks.

This is bullshit!

On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> 	Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>
>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
>>
>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts





From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 13:39:09 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:39:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <20101022203909.C754A9394@smtp.wcoil.com>



Any idea what stupid new rule the Border Guards are enforcing that 
the IDIOT Bureaucrats have brought on? I feel the iron curtain 
getting more constrictive all the time!
We better not be in too much a hurry for that fence on the southern 
border, WE might want to get out!!    Mark



At 01:41 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>Passing this along for everyones information.
>         Dave
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> > Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> > To: rotigel at me.com
> > Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
> > notification
> >
> > Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
> >
> > Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> > Location: Ontario, Canada
> >
> >>
> > Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> > my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> > that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone
> > numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best
> > call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at the
> > Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
> >
> > Link to the ad: 
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
> >
> > See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php
> >
> > To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following
> > link:
> >
> > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
> >
> > The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
> > http://www.enginads.com
>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 14:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>

And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like 
time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I 
am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together 
an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then 
forward to the powers that be?    Mark



At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal 
>immigrants crossing
>the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard 
>working guy
>like Ken Meeks.
>
>This is bullshit!
>
>On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> > Passing this along for everyones information.
> >       Dave
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> >> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> >>
> >> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to.
> >>
> >> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> >> Location: Ontario, Canada
> >>
> >> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> >> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> >> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 15:03:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:03:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
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I have no idea Tom. I do know that when someone tells you something  
like this you have usually heard 1/2 of the story. (This is  
particularly true if the person talking to you is going through a  
divorce, but is also, a good general rule to keep in mind.) I know,  
also, that 5 years is a long time!
	Dave
PS, I also know that EVERY time I've ever received a speeding ticket I  
smile to myself and recall the MANY times I have broken the trafic  
laws and did not get caught!

On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Any idea what Kenny did to violate some law?
>
> Tom  Schmutz


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 22 15:13:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:13:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
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Hi Mark,
	With all due respect to both you and Arnie it might be a good idea to  
get all the facts before anyone thinks about some sort of "petition or  
something." Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that  
Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
	Dave
PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I  
have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering  
machine best call after supper thanks:

On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>> immigrants crossing
>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard
>> working guy
>> like Ken Meeks.
>>
>> This is bullshit!
>>
>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>      Dave
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>
>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you  
>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>
>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 22 16:04:25 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:04:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
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	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
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Hi Dave,
  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and 
Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on 
each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by 
real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist 
activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not 
involved with without even asking.
    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or 
something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who 
knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair 
day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one 
to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs 
inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell 
without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support 
for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark


At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>         " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>         Dave
>PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>machine best call after supper thanks:
>
>On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
> > time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
> > am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
> > an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
> > forward to the powers that be?    Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
> >> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
> >> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
> >> immigrants crossing
> >> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good, hard
> >> working guy
> >> like Ken Meeks.
> >>
> >> This is bullshit!
> >>
> >> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> >>> Passing this along for everyones information.
> >>>      Dave
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
> >>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
> >>>> subscribe to.
> >>>>
> >>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> >>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
> >>>>
> >>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of
> >>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of
> >>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 County Road 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 21:42:36 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
Message-ID: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This one came home today:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html

The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
arrival).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Oct 22 13:05:04 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:05:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad
	uploadnotification
In-Reply-To: <895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEDICCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Please 'splain this to us!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On 
> Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:42 PM
> To: slick at toltbbs.com; The SEL email discussion list; 
> Antique tractor
> email discussion group
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad
> uploadnotification
> 
> 
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> 	Dave
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category 
> you subscribe to.
> >
> > Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
> > Location: Ontario, Canada
> >
> > Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at 
> the link below.
> >
> > Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 
> years. Because of  
> > my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I 
> did not know of  
> > that, 

.................snip....................


From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 04:03:38 2010
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:03:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W5557755D504F534E952CFED05F0@phx.gbl>


351 is a very pretty engine,very similar to the standard Petter base.  Thanks.

> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
> 
> This one came home today:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
> 
> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
> arrival).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From oldironnut at windstream.net  Sat Oct 23 05:27:03 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:27:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>

On 10/22/10 1:18 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.

Nice pictures and video, Like. What brand was the crossmotor 17-30 tractor?

Thanks,
Mike


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 23 06:24:08 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:24:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
	notification
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Hi Reg and Elden,
	All I know for sure is what was on Harry's "Classified" all of which  
I passed on to Slick and SEL. I'm not even sure if the problem arose  
on the US or the CA side of the border. I think we all have lots of  
questions, but the "facts" are hard to come by as of the moment. If I  
learn of anything I KNOW to be true, I'll post it to the lists--but  
don't hold your breath!
	Dave
PS, I do know that Ken was at Coolspring for the show on the 15th of  
October. So the problem must have occurred as he was going back into  
Canada.
PPS, http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584  
will take you directly to Ken's post on Harry's classified. (and to  
several responses there.)

On Oct 23, 2010, at 4:13 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Ok, I, for one, would really like to hear ALL the facts on this scene,
> It has a LOT  to do with us all worldwide!
> So, tell us so WE aint caught by the same (Choice of words) crap.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Rotigel
> To: slick at toltbbs.com ; The SEL email discussion list ; Antique  
> tractor email discussion group
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:41 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
> notification
>
> Passing this along for everyones information.
> Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>> To: rotigel at me.com
>> Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload  
>> notification
>>
>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe  
>> to.
>>
>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below.
>>
>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because of  
>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know of  
>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts I have 2 phone  
>> numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering machine best  
>> call after supper thanks If I live for 5 years I will see you at  
>> the Shows .Best regards Ken and Pauline Meeks
>>
>> Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/ 
>> auctions.php
>>
>> To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following  
>> link:
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=2
>>
>> The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team
>> http://www.enginads.com
>
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 23 07:52:19 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:52:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8E8B2EC.6056%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1fd6c0bb7aef8f9cb37128da4ac26f4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

SWEET!!!!!

On Sat, October 23, 2010 12:42 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> This one came home today:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
>
> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
> arrival).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 00:27:07 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:27:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
Message-ID: <C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This will be a nice engine when I get it going. It needs a few parts:
Fuel pump and handle
Crank guard (early style)
Vaporiser
Timing valve & linkages
Carby (early style with central wing nut)
Fuel valve & linkages as well as roller & pin.
Air valve rocker & roller.
If anyone has any bits lying around it would be a great help.
The biggest mechanical problem is the crankshaft. If you look at this pic
you can see two pieces of metal bolted onto the flywheel (across the
spokes).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral1.jpg
I could not work out why they were there until I checked the alignment of
the flywheels with each other. The sideshaft side flywheel is about 5
degrees out of true. The pieces of metal must have been attached to
rebalance the engine.
This is the one weak point on Australs. The crankshaft is made up of 5
pieces pressed together and occasionally one of the shafts will rotate
leaving the flywheels out of position and therefore out of balance.
There are two options to deal with this problem. Pull off the flywheels,
press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place. The
other option is to pull of the flywheel, weld up the shaft and cut a new
keyway. Both are big jobs but both possible. Opinions?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mike17257 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 02:35:33 2010
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:35:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <ActzTNzXGzMcMN9AEd+3EwAbY5HRwg==>
	<C8EA2AFB.6076%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>

Patrick,

the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
(original and new) overlapped.

Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!

regards,

Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:

> This will be a nice engine when I get it going. It needs a few parts:
> Fuel pump and handle
> Crank guard (early style)
> Vaporiser
> Timing valve & linkages
> Carby (early style with central wing nut)
> Fuel valve & linkages as well as roller & pin.
> Air valve rocker & roller.
> If anyone has any bits lying around it would be a great help.
> The biggest mechanical problem is the crankshaft. If you look at this pic
> you can see two pieces of metal bolted onto the flywheel (across the
> spokes).
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral1.jpg
> I could not work out why they were there until I checked the alignment of
> the flywheels with each other. The sideshaft side flywheel is about 5
> degrees out of true. The pieces of metal must have been attached to
> rebalance the engine.
> This is the one weak point on Australs. The crankshaft is made up of 5
> pieces pressed together and occasionally one of the shafts will rotate
> leaving the flywheels out of position and therefore out of balance.
> There are two options to deal with this problem. Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place. The
> other option is to pull of the flywheel, weld up the shaft and cut a new
> keyway. Both are big jobs but both possible. Opinions?
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 05:21:15 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:21:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures and Videos
In-Reply-To: <4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>
References: <SNT118-W33016FF31B5C954C611BEC85E0@phx.gbl>,
	<4CC2D497.3050102@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W639987C0EB6892164A7AC3C8410@phx.gbl>


Hi Mike,
 
It is a Minneapolis. Not a Minneapolis Moline, just Minneapolis.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 
-----------------------------------------------

 
> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:27:03 -0400
> From: oldironnut at windstream.net
> 
> On 10/22/10 1:18 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> > Here are some photos and videos of a local show I was at back in July.
> 
> Nice pictures and video, Like. What brand was the crossmotor 17-30 tractor?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
 		 	   		  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 25 09:17:28 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
Message-ID: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:28:01 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:28:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w50C1E3FEB9C39DF3D0F7EC2410@phx.gbl>


try DHL or USPS
 
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:17:28 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
> 
> Folks,
> 
> A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
> It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky. The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.
> 
> Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
> a cheaper option?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Oct 25 10:22:00 2010
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:22:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>

USPS seems to have the corner on the market for small parcels to foreign
countries.  You may be up against some restrictions on package size with a
stroller, but the usps.gov website will pretty quickly tell you what your
cost will be.

Bill Brueck
   Pine Island, MN USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in
Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500
from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that
might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 11:21:11 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <33192.13606.qm@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Part of my job is to set up shipments of parts to and from our parent company, Karton SpA, in Italy. I have had very good results with shipping via DHL.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 11:17 AM


Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.? The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Oct 25 14:12:49 2010
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:12:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01cb7469$223a8640$66af92c0$@net>
Message-ID: <4CC5F2D1.5040704@frontier.com>

Bill Brueck wrote:
> USPS seems to have the corner on the market for small parcels to foreign
> countries.  You may be up against some restrictions on package size with a
> stroller, but the usps.gov website will pretty quickly tell you what your
> cost will be.
> 
> Bill Brueck
>    Pine Island, MN USA

USPS contracts with UPS for most of their package delivery now. They are
still usually cheaper than dealing directly with UPS though.

The catch is finding a PO that KNOWS how to handle international
shipments. My BIL has lived in Japan for about 8 years now and we ship
stuff over about every 6 months, plus holidays and birthdays. We have a
choice of 4 offices that we can use but have discovered that only 2 of
them know what they are doing and one actually is helpful about
international stuff. The one closest to us can barely sort the mail
properly and when we tried to send a small box out it got all screwed
up. Another one didn't have any of the proper forms or customs
declarations so that didn't fly. In the end one that is near the wifes
job really came out ahead. they not only have all the proper paperwork
they even have staff that KNOW what to do with it.


-- 
Steve W.



From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 25 17:06:46 2010
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:06:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
References: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <77D8D9AB61474FB984C97C350F6C91E6@Dads>

I shipped a 3/4" steam injector to the UK a couple years ago, air mail with 
USPS for around $38. I'm sure something that bulky won't be cheap.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Stationary Engine 
List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium


> Folks,
>
> A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in 
> Belgium.
> It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 
> from UPS.
>
> Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that 
> might be
> a cheaper option?
>
> Thanks!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
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> 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:14:50 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:14:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I will probably push the shaft out and fix it that way. I could replace it
with another complete crankshaft but that would ruin the fact that it has
the original number (351) stamped on both ends. I also think the distance
between the bearings may be different to other Australs of the same size.
Another odd thing I have noticed is that there is no boss on the side of the
crankcase to mount the fuel pump. You can see it here on my 1917 engine (to
the right of the picture below the sidshaft):
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc04/DSCF0022.JPG

No.351 does not have the boss so the pump and handle are mounted quite
differently:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral7.jpg

This is an odd Austral.
Patrick



On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
> (original and new) overlapped.
> 
> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!
> 
> regards,
> 
> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia
> 
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:




From rotigel at me.com  Mon Oct 25 19:34:00 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:34:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8EC84CA.60B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C45E94-60D5-402A-8111-F79FE8A82A00@me.com>

Hi Patrick, It's a simple task to cut/grind 1/16" off both ends of the  
crank and then stamp "351" in both ends.
	Dave

On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> I will probably push the shaft out and fix it that way. I could  
> replace it
> with another complete crankshaft but that would ruin the fact that  
> it has
> the original number (351) stamped on both ends. I also think the  
> distance
> between the bearings may be different to other Australs of the same  
> size.
> Another odd thing I have noticed is that there is no boss on the  
> side of the
> crankcase to mount the fuel pump. You can see it here on my 1917  
> engine (to
> the right of the picture below the sidshaft):
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc04/DSCF0022.JPG
>
> No.351 does not have the boss so the pump and handle are mounted quite
> differently:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351austral7.jpg
>
> This is an odd Austral.
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
>> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in  
>> place."  But
>> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the  
>> key ways
>> (original and new) overlapped.
>>
>> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice.  
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Livingstone <
>> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 26 04:13:34 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
In-Reply-To: <605fec1b7a7e74801b183db8d6a4ba03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <1486807024.4281288091614727.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Arnie,
Why not treat the stroller as if it were Old Rusty Iron and ship via a container thru Lee Pederson or one of the other engine boys.
Curt
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To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:17:28 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium

Folks,

A colleague at work wants to ship a special baby stroller to her cousin in Belgium. 
It weighs ~30 lbs, but is fairly bulky.  The first quote she got was $500 from UPS.

Has anyone had experience with a small package shipper going overseas that might be
a cheaper option?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Oct 26 18:07:47 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
	<20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4BDCA1B2-C47A-4794-B24C-8A12B42493F0@me.com>

Hi Mark,
	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584) 
  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
	Dave
PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone  
wishes to ask him personally.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
> involved with without even asking.
>    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>
>
> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>        Dave
>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,  
>>>> hard
>>>> working guy
>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>
>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct 27 04:11:07 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:11:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
Message-ID: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Oct 27 08:01:36 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:01:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
In-Reply-To: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>
References: <EE48B34CB10B414E94ED5AED6B830601@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D4975@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
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R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Oct 27 08:07:04 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:07:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
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Sure would be nice if Kenny would fess up on what they caught him on.
He said it was due to ignorance on his part and that something had changed he didn't know about.

So it would be nice if he enlightened the rest who do hobby related stuff on both sides of the border, so others don't get caught in the same situation.

I'm curious, just not curious enough to call him.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:08 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload notification

Hi Mark,
	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584) 
  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
	Dave
PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone  
wishes to ask him personally.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>  To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
> involved with without even asking.
>    Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>  I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>
>
> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>        Dave
>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,  
>>>> hard
>>>> working guy
>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>
>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Shulaw
>>> 454 County Road 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>> USA
>>>
>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 27 10:13:16 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:13:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Shipping from Pittsburgh to Belgium
Message-ID: <BAY127-W5B4752642DA7CFF2D395BCB430@phx.gbl>


In the not helpful department, most of the high-end strollers are made in Europe anyway - Emmaljunga, for instance - shipping a stroller (US made) to Europe is sending corn cobs to Newcastle.

http://www.emmaljunga.com/english/index.php

Besides, the boss's daughter is a babe.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 10:39:44 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:39:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
	Miss Engines
Message-ID: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>

Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
To: jdohagan at comcast.net
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
Engines

I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines


> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>
> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". Put your 
> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>
> Notice from Enginads:
> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money 
> orders!
> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking price.
> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their 
> shipper.
> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are 
> responsible!
> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to 
> report abuse. 




From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 15:57:24 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:57:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit
	and	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>

Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything  
about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting  
on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked  
and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else  
found anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  
> Miss
> Engines
>
> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss  
> Engines
>
>
>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>
>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".  
>> Put your
>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> Notice from Enginads:
>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>> orders!
>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking  
>> price.
>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their
>> shipper.
>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are
>> responsible!
>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to
>> report abuse.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 17:34:23 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:34:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +
	Hitand	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
	<C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
Message-ID: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>

No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything  
about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting  
on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked  
and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else  
found anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  
> Miss
> Engines
>
> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss  
> Engines
>
>
>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>
>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".  
>> Put your
>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>
>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>
>> Notice from Enginads:
>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>> orders!
>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking  
>> price.
>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or their
>> shipper.
>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you are
>> responsible!
>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers to
>> report abuse.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct 27 19:26:19 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:26:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
Message-ID: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>

Hi George I need his correct email address, as it should be written. Tell
him his letter arrived. He has email but not real savy.
He gave me bdsmith at nctv but it bounces.
Regards
Peter



I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 19:27:25 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:27:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
 Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F>
	<C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com>
	<0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>

Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>> Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>> price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you  
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers  
>>> to
>>> report abuse.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Oct 27 19:28:47 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:28:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload
 notification
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D49BA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <E1P9Hhw-0000EK-LX@mail.oldengine.net>
	<895EC804-3E7F-44B0-8F41-1B37437CE9F5@me.com>
	<cabe6afab1d78b98b91876d18eb4525f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20101022212204.75D569328@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<370CD50D-2B22-436C-BDED-9EAF334CAFA5@me.com>
	<20101022230425.315669378@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4BDCA1B2-C47A-4794-B24C-8A12B42493F0@me.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F495D49BA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <1B506536-E94F-4840-955B-2EED561DBCDB@me.com>

Many wonder--no one responds!
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Sure would be nice if Kenny would fess up on what they caught him on.
> He said it was due to ignorance on his part and that something had  
> changed he didn't know about.
>
> So it would be nice if he enlightened the rest who do hobby related  
> stuff on both sides of the border, so others don't get caught in the  
> same situation.
>
> I'm curious, just not curious enough to call him.
>
> George
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad  
> upload notification
>
> Hi Mark,
> 	Kenny has been asked TWICE to say what law he broke. (See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584)
>  Thus far he has not responded. Draw your own conclusion!
> 	Dave
> PS, Kenny can be reached at  416-261-5287 or 819-876- 7954 if anyone
> wishes to ask him personally.
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> To me its an insult in a free (maybe not) Country like ours and
>> Canada to ban a man from crossing a border who has direct family on
>> each side especially if there is no real Criminal activity. And by
>> real criminal activity I mean theft, murder, rape, drugs, terrorist
>> activities. Serious crimes which we who know Kenny know he is not
>> involved with without even asking.
>>   Now maybe they took a dislike to his vehicle or the old iron or
>> something, who knows about that with Kenny and border agents. And who
>> knows about the officer themselves, maybe they were having a bad hair
>> day, spouse served em divorce papers who knows and Kenny was the one
>> to catch their anger over some nit picky little thing.  Customs
>> inspectors have the authority and ability to make your life hell
>> without any reason. A hunch or a bad case of gas is all it takes.
>> Just does not seem right, something does not sound right.
>> I would sign a character reference, petition or letter of support
>> for Kenny Meeks without hesitation.    Mark
>>
>>
>> At 06:13 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>       " Additionally, I'm not sure what difference it makes that
>>> Ken has "direct family ties on each side."
>>>       Dave
>>> PS, To contact Ken directly see the original, or the following: "I
>>> have 2 phone numbers 416-261-5287   or 819-876- 7954 no answering
>>> machine best call after supper thanks:
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that man has direct family ties on each side. Its feeling like
>>>> time for a letter writing protest or petition or something. Since I
>>>> am not savvy on such things How would we go about  putting together
>>>> an On Line complaint petition we could put our names to and then
>>>> forward to the powers that be?    Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 04:40 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> What a bitch.  We saw Ken at Coolspring last week.
>>>>> Our stupid government can't manage to stop 20 million illegal
>>>>> immigrants crossing
>>>>> the border and taking up residence, but they bust & ban a good,
>>>>> hard
>>>>> working guy
>>>>> like Ken Meeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, October 22, 2010 1:41 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>>>>> Passing this along for everyones information.
>>>>>>    Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: classifieds at oldengine.net
>>>>>>> Date: October 22, 2010 9:30:56 AM EDT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken Meeks has uploaded one or more ads to a category you
>>>>>>> subscribe to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title: For Sale Lots of engine parts
>>>>>>> Location: Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Description: I have been bared from the US for 5 years. Because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my ignorance, the laws for candaians changed and I did not know
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> that, So keep my phone number handy call for parts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Shulaw
>>>> 454 County Road 33
>>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>>>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>>>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>>>
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>>
>> Mark Shulaw
>> 454 County Road 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> USA
>>
>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 20:01:47 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:01:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <F6C45E94-60D5-402A-8111-F79FE8A82A00@me.com>
Message-ID: <C8EF32CB.6109%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I thought I would take the more subtle approach and do as little damage to
the engine as possible.


On 26/10/10 1:34 PM, "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick, It's a simple task to cut/grind 1/16" off both ends of the
> crank and then stamp "351" in both ends.
> Dave

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 20:05:08 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:05:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral 351
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaUbKPa2D9K5adfd99ysMhPTXTSR_Zb+ZpdeVv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8EF3394.610B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have been taking a closer look. The flywheels definitely do not line up
but the keyways do (although the pulley on one side makes it hard to see).
Once I get the pulley off I should be able to see more clearly of the
problem is the crankshaft or the flywheel. The owner of another early
Austral said that his spokes do not quite line up as the keyways were not
cut correctly in the factory!
Patrick


On 24/10/10 8:35 PM, "michael young" <mike17257 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> the purist in me says - to quote yourself - "Pull off the flywheels,
> press out the problem shaft, align it and press then pin it in place."  But
> the other woud work except if the misalignment was small and the key ways
> (original and new) overlapped.
> 
> Hey its your choice.  A very nice engine and a wise choice. Congratulations!
> 
> regards,
> 
> Mike Young in Orange. NSW, Australia



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 20:57:51 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:57:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
	Miss Engines
In-Reply-To: <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F><C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com><0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
	<97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
Message-ID: <867F31DB9FAD4B8D9AF55D26830BE98C@VALUED3253602F>

YOU BETCHA!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
	Dave

On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>> Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>
>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>> price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you  
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers  
>>> to
>>> report abuse.
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 27 23:09:28 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:09:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +	Hitand
	Miss Engines
References: <C888F287B31B4AB6A0CE507A586BFEE6@VALUED3253602F><C73D42FA-FEE3-4AB5-8A41-60F5A64BF21B@me.com><0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F>
	<97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com>
Message-ID: <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc>

Forgetting the bullshit side, most of us would like to see the facts of what 
occurred, if only to be aware of it all.
I am sure the 'error' was not intended, knowing most engine folk are FAR 
superior to Pollies.
(if you want pollie shit, see what this lot here are trying to work on us re 
their 'energy plan' etc.)
Enough! The blood pressure is rising!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand 
Miss Engines


> Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything?
> Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors +
>> Hitand
>> Miss Engines
>>
>> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you anything
>> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've had no problem getting
>> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked
>> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else
>> found anything?
>> Dave
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and
>>> Miss
>>> Engines
>>>
>>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>>> To: <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM
>>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss
>>> Engines
>>>
>>>
>>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts
>>>>
>>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>>> Put your
>>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan
>>>>
>>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>>
>>>> Notice from Enginads:
>>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit money
>>>> orders!
>>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>>> price.
>>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or
>>>> their
>>>> shipper.
>>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you
>>>> are
>>>> responsible!
>>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers
>>>> to
>>>> report abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 02:52:28 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
	Miss Engines
Message-ID: <d6d7e.3b18e0c1.39faa1dc@aol.com>

It would be my feeling that Ken forgot to pay some driving tickets as we  
all know what he drove around in. I have a friend that was band from Canada 
for  5 years this year as he had a DWI 3 years ago. If the USA has to  worry 
about Ken Meeks being a threat to my country were in deep shit. 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 12:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jdohagan at comcast.net writes:

YOU  BETCHA!

-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM
To:  The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your  ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand
Miss Engines

Thanks Jimmy, Do you  think Ken's silence means anything?
Dave

On Oct 27,  2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> No Dave, What you read here  was the total conversation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>  [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David   
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM
> To:  The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about  your ad on Antique Tractors +  
> Hitand
> Miss  Engines
>
> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken  tell you anything
> about the 5 year ban and why he got it?  I've  had no problem getting
> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced  difficulty? I just checked
> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I  can find. Has anyone else
> found anything?
>      Dave
>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan  wrote:
>
>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week.  Cya, Jimmy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com]
>> Sent:  Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To:  jdohagan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on  Antique Tractors + Hit and
>> Miss
>>  Engines
>>
>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack  but will try aagain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: <jdohagan at comcast.net>
>> To:  <kenmeeks at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34  PM
>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and  Miss
>> Engines
>>
>>
>>> For Sale:  Lots of engine parts
>>>
>>> Wow,your the first person  that I know to make the "NO FLY List".
>>> Put  your
>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy  O'Hagan
>>>
>>>  http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584
>>>
>>>  Notice from Enginads:
>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's  checks or counterfeit money
>>> orders!
>>> The scheme  will involve a check made out for more than your asking
>>>  price.
>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to  them or  
>>> their
>>> shipper.
>>>  Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you   
>>> are
>>> responsible!
>>> Sender's  originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers   
>>> to
>>> report  abuse.
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 28 03:20:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:20:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <ABDEAEFE56C344AB9B950C6F4AC44018@PeterPC>

Hi all
Found this reference page on many brands of lathes, thought it might be of interest to someone.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html

I picked up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below. Mine is marketed as Tulloch from Sydney.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/veem/

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Australia

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 03:59:50 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:59:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <512a.ff93758.39fab1a6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 6:22:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
plowe at exemail.com.au writes:

I picked  up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below


Hey Peter,
 
That is a nice looking lathe your Dad had!  I have an older South Bend  and 
a SB school manual from the 60's.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Oct 28 04:22:23 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:22:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
References: <512a.ff93758.39fab1a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DC083DA3127442981D035D16139D9B3@regpc>

I thought that too.
My 12 inch swing 'angular looking' Chinese lathe is a great tool but there 
IS a classy look about a lot of tools.
The older Nuttal 15 inch swing is also a wonderful tool but, the Chink is a 
newer unit and IS accurate to within a thou.
I can do a 5 inch bore with less than a thou variation. Works for me.
As an aside, years back, I worked out that if I NEEDED a machine, I hit the 
wallet/ bank account, and bought it. Used it and finally,when done, sold it. 
ALWAYS a lot better than stuffing around with worn out second + hand 
discards.
Making 'stuff' is hard enough without using less than good machinery.
Also, on the last USA trip, I got a digital vernier from Harbor Freight that 
has FRACTIONS! along with Metric and imperial. I got it just to show the 
friends here! Awesome!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE


>
> In a message dated 10/28/2010 6:22:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> plowe at exemail.com.au writes:
>
> I picked  up my Dad's lathe last weekend, see below
>
>
> Hey Peter,
>
> That is a nice looking lathe your Dad had!  I have an older South Bend 
> and
> a SB school manual from the 60's.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 04:52:28 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:52:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Machine Tool REFERENCE ARCHIVE
Message-ID: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 7:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

Also, on  the last USA trip, I got a digital vernier from Harbor Freight 
that 
has  FRACTIONS! along with Metric and imperial. I got it just to show the  
friends here! Awesome!!


Last year I bought an 8 inch long, digital inch/metric Mitutoyo vernier at  
an engine show from a flea market vendor.  He was asking $15 and I got it  
for $12!  When I picked it up, I turned it on and everything worked,  
repeated to zero a dozen times, looked for something bent, broken, scratched,  
etc.  Nothing.  I finally asked him if he would take $12 for it and he  
accepted stating he did not even know what it was.  I left a very happy  camper.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 28 05:18:40 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:18:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Hey guys and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
ground wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
last days.
So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt Holland




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 28 05:44:56 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:44:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I guess I'd be afraid of the whole thing.... if the one is "broken" (or
chewed?) how do we know the one right next to it isn't ready to go? Or bad
in other places, ready to go...?

Paranoid me - I run underground wire inside of plastic conduit.
With all the critters running around chewing on things, i trust nothing.

Bill

> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
> ground wires are both good.
> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
> last days.
> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>
> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
> Curt Holland
>
>
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From jdragoset at galvotec.com  Thu Oct 28 05:49:24 2010
From: jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:49:24 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <02ae01cadf0c$de8e4db0$9baae910$@galvotec.com>

Curt,
Mark the line location.
Lay a temporary wire above ground but away from the underground route.
Connect it to the black wire at one end.
Connect the signal generator to that wire and the black wire at the other
end .
Use the tracer offset from the original line location.
Best Regards,

Jim Dragoset
Cathodic Protection Specialist
Galvotec Corrosion Services, LLC
ph 504 362 7373
Cell 504 329 5883


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:19 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Hey guys and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes bad.
After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I have
determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and ground
wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the signal
to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the last
days.
So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt Holland


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 05:50:25 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:50:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>

Curt, how about calling the phone company underground wiring ID guy.  He could hook just to the black wire.

Also check where any large trucks, traffic has driven over the wire.  Rodents maybe.

Dig the wire up halfway and use the ohm meter again....sure you know the drill from there.

Last but not least...just use the two good wires.  My Montana Power supplied yard light (overhead wires) has only two wires to it.

Good luck,
RickinMt.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: curt at rustyiron.com<mailto:curt at rustyiron.com> 
  To: The SEL email discussion list<mailto:sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:18 AM
  Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting


  Hey guys and gals,
  Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
  troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
  12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
  of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
  The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
  learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
  bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
  have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
  ground wires are both good.
  Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
  hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
  Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
  conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
  wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
  signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
  last days.
  So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
  Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
  tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?

  Looking forward to your creative ideas.
  Curt Holland


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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 06:00:27 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:00:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqTM+-NqGkRt3XOCbbyiPGzWamd-DhOHK3Ydxh@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, nothing creative here. I have used, and may still have, wire tracers,
but they didn't always work properly for me, but there is usually metal
conduit and such to help interfere.
The worst problem that I had was inside the conduit of a motor circuit. The
wire passed current just fine until it got hot and then blew the fuse; it
turned out to be a soldered splice in the run. In other words, there may not
be a full break, just a 'weak' spot that will show continuity, but not hold
up after a time with current. In my case, it wasn't obvious until I pulled
the wires after hours of trouble shooting.
Maybe a shovel is in order for this job. I side with Bill on this one; how
bad are the other wires? And I'd use the conduit, too.

Paul in California


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 06:21:47 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:21:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimt7cLvXsg_6B9S5VrMfJ9OyDgGioQxinEtEB2U@mail.gmail.com>

On 28 October 2010 13:18,  <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.

Curt:

I'd suggest the same as the other guys, but you coulfd also connect
the white/black ends together at one end and check continuity for the
pair at the other.

We use SWA (Stranded Wire Armoured) cable for outdoor/underground use,
it stops rodents and moles from eating the cable insulation and with
withstand a shovel or pickaxe blow.

Either way, whatever the fault is, I'd replace with a new cable, and
if it is going underground the get concrete ducting.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 06:46:34 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:46:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2E6D2EBE4044681D89489BB440@phx.gbl>

HIGH VOLTAGE to the black wire.  Where the angle worms come out of the ground is the break.  I did this as a kid but don't remember the voltage and we used a long electrified spike.

High tension lead off a buzz coil to the black wire.  As you know this radiates RF energy which an A.M radio tuned to an off station will pickup and convert to audio.  Maybe the audio will deplete as you go past the break.

All kinds of brain farts this mornin', eh?

Rick


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Oct 28 06:51:27 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<ce53ce3dbd0c204d9a27ffc8c953fc6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <8724A839-AD04-4745-840E-A7621CC542CD@me.com>

I'd second that Bill!
	Dave

On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:44 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> I guess I'd be afraid of the whole thing....
> Bill
>
>> Hey guys and gals,
>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help  
>> with
>> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the  
>> house is a
>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a  
>> couple
>> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was  
>> surprised to
>> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely  
>> goes
>> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm  
>> meter, I
>> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral)  
>> and
>> ground wires are both good.
>> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and  
>> tracer. We
>> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
>> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire  
>> will
>> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass.  
>> Perhaps the
>> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
>> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of  
>> rain the
>> last days.
>> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole  
>> yard?
>> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so  
>> the
>> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>>
>> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
>> Curt Holland
>>
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 07:42:29 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:42:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>

High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.

Headed for the shed !!!


From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu Oct 28 08:15:09 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:15:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>

On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:

> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.


That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.

Mike

______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Oct 28 08:32:48 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:32:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA
In-Reply-To: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220101042822619354@M2W123.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F496C589D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Peter,

His email address would be bdsmith at nctv.com

If I see him at the swap meet this weekend I'll tell him to check his email and that you've received his letter.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of plowe at exemail.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi George I need his correct email address, as it should be written. Tell
him his letter arrived. He has email but not real savy.
He gave me bdsmith at nctv but it bounces.
Regards
Peter



I know who he is.  I've talked to him at some of the shows and swap meets.
He should be at the Woodland CA swap meet this weekend.
I'll be there too.

What do you need?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:11 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Bob Smith in CA

Hi all

Does anyone know Bob Smith from Yreka, CA up on I5 on the Oregon border ??



Regards
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R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 28 11:44:15 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:44:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors
together at the load end or ground all three (whichever works
best).

When the signal generator is connected between the white (the
good wire) and the black (the bad one) and a relatively low
frequency signal is injected, the signal level should decrease
sharply at the point of the break.

In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that
either the cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor
fail -OR- some "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!

I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
cable and replace it with something more substantial.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw
> from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
> From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred
> feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting
> was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad.
.................snip................



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 28 12:27:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:27:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a50a0e3fd0faaf43de0fc29e18787451.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

THIS one I like!!  8-))))

On Thu, October 28, 2010 10:42 am, Richard Strobel wrote:
> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of course.
> Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>
> Headed for the shed !!!





From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Oct 28 13:02:33 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>


	I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both ends
but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone will
show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when the
signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good time
to lay new wires in plastic conduit.


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Curt:

What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at the
load end or ground all three (whichever works best).

When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire) and
the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is injected,
the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.

In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
"scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!

I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable and
replace it with something more substantial.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of 
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help 
> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
> From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a 
> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised 
> to learn the wire itself is bad.
.................snip................

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Oct 28 13:23:09 2010
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:23:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>
Message-ID: <035101cb76dd$efd9a7e0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174>

I would have just used the ground wire as a hot and been done with it. 
Whats the worst that can happen?  Everything is well grounded, big time!

I once had some 250 MCM aluminum wire turn to powder in the middle of an 
underground run.  The powder would carry enough current to show voltage but 
would carry no amps.  It was a 150 foot run.  I had an epiphany, started 
digging and within 2 feet found the problem.  Maybe you'll get that lucky 
too!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting


>
> I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
> wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
> resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both ends
> but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone 
> will
> show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
> individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when 
> the
> signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good time
> to lay new wires in plastic conduit.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
> willing to work and give to those who would not.
>
> Thomas Jefferson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
> Curt:
>
> What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at 
> the
> load end or ground all three (whichever works best).
>
> When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire) 
> and
> the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is injected,
> the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.
>
> In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
> cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
> "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!
>
> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable and
> replace it with something more substantial.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
>> curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>
>>
>> Hey guys and gals,
>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help
>> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
>> From the house is a
>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a
>> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised
>> to learn the wire itself is bad.
> .................snip................
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 28 13:52:10 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:52:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <035101cb76dd$efd9a7e0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174>
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6CE1D31FD7434077B1F9F1B7CA00ED7F@Eagle>
	<035101cb76dd$efd9a7e0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174>
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And a couple twist connectors, some duct tape, and rebury it, right?


> I would have just used the ground wire as a hot and been done with it.
> Whats the worst that can happen?  Everything is well grounded, big time!
>
> I once had some 250 MCM aluminum wire turn to powder in the middle of an
> underground run.  The powder would carry enough current to show voltage
> but
> would carry no amps.  It was a 150 foot run.  I had an epiphany, started
> digging and within 2 feet found the problem.  Maybe you'll get that lucky
> too!
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>
>
>>
>> I assumed that you were using a toner to follow the signal from the
>> wire underground. That signal tracing device is easily fooled by high
>> resistance connections. You must isolate the wires completely at both
>> ends
>> but even then if the wires are close together for any distance the tone
>> will
>> show up on the adjacent conductors. If you get the pick-up close to the
>> individual wires (underground in your case) you may be able to tell when
>> the
>> signal is lost - it will be louder near that wire. Sounds like a good
>> time
>> to lay new wires in plastic conduit.
>>
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> The Eagle's Anvil
>> WB8NQW
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>>
>> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
>> willing to work and give to those who would not.
>>
>> Thomas Jefferson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>
>> Curt:
>>
>> What I'd do would be to either connect all three conductors together at
>> the
>> load end or ground all three (whichever works best).
>>
>> When the signal generator is connected between the white (the good wire)
>> and
>> the black (the bad one) and a relatively low frequency signal is
>> injected,
>> the signal level should decrease sharply at the point of the break.
>>
>> In my experience, what I've found in such situations is that either the
>> cable got nicked and corrosion has made the conductor fail -OR- some
>> "scientist" spliced the cable using wire nuts!
>>
>> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old cable
>> and
>> replace it with something more substantial.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
>>> curt at rustyiron.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:19 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys and gals,
>>> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help
>>> with troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place.
>>> From the house is a
>>> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a
>>> couple of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
>>> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised
>>> to learn the wire itself is bad.
>> .................snip................
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 28 14:35:55 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:35:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <731F214E2DA34B7482D87EFC9F8A2308@loungeroom>

Hi Curt

As an Electrical Contractor I would just replace the whole cable otherwise 
it is just like patching leaks in a hose.
Cable is best placed in conduit for protection. Some cables here in Oz years 
ago were buried direct only to be eaten by grubs/worms etc.
Signal tracing is not good as it will go through the wet soil or high 
resistance breaks as act as if cable was OK.
It is obviously not blowing fuses.

Get the shovel out mate and start digging.
Peter, Oz




> Hey guys and gals,
> Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need help with
> troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the house is a
> 12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to feed a couple
> of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
> The lights quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
> learn the wire itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
> bad. After disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
> have determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
> ground wires are both good.
> Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal generator and tracer. We
> hooked the signal to the black wire and the other to a grounding rod.
> Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole light. This wire will
> conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current will pass. Perhaps the
> wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the wire allowing the
> signal to continue on past the break. We've had several inches of rain the
> last days.
> So, how do I identify where the break is w/o digging up the whole yard?
> Is there a way to completely "burn" this wire at the bad place, so the
> tracer signal can no longer pass across the bad place?
>
> Looking forward to your creative ideas.
> Curt Holland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 14:58:13 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:58:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
In-Reply-To: <SNT107-W5557755D504F534E952CFED05F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It does look a little Petter in the base. It is completely different to the
early pushrod Austral base but is similar to the standard base seen on later
Australs (although they were two pieces).
Patrick


On 23/10/10 10:03 PM, "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 351 is a very pretty engine,very similar to the standard Petter base.  Thanks.
> 
>> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:42:36 +1100
>> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: [SEL] A new toy at home
>> 
>> This one came home today:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html
>> 
>> The other new Austral should be home in a few weeks (depending on the baby's
>> arrival).
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 28 18:18:00 2010
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur&Deana Southwell)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:18:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9F56CFCE7EF343CA9CF89BEF648ABE0D@Arthurhplaptop>



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Elden" <edurand at mchsi.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:44 PM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

(snip)

> I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
> cable and replace it with something more substantial.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

I'm with you one that one Elden. The fastest way to get back in service, is 
to plant a new cable.

I've lost hours and hours trying to NOT dig up a half dead cable.

My cent and a half.
Arthur S

Arcadia, FL 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Oct 28 20:39:31 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:39:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHGEFJCCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20101029033930.BAD30930A@smtp.wcoil.com>

I'm with Elden on this one. Bury new.

As far as direct burial for the new or put in conduit, that depends a 
lot on the soil type and weather conditions.  In this area I have had 
the best luck with direct burial but in a bed of sand due to rocks 
and freeze.  Mark


At 02:44 PM 10/28/2010, you wrote:
>I would, however, suggest that you simply uproot the entire old
>cable and replace it with something more substantial.
>
>Take care - Elden


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

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Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From WurliTzerPgh at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 07:22:57 2010
From: WurliTzerPgh at aol.com (WurliTzerPgh at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:22:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
Message-ID: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>

Maybe someone else has suggested this by now - I haven't read all the  
responses.  Have you tried using a TDR to locate the problem?  That's  short for 
Time Domain Reflectometer.  You connect it to one end and the  readout 
indicates distance along the wire to places where the cables  "characteristic 
impedance" changes.  It will find open circuits, short  circuits, low 
resistance connections and even places where the conductors are  nicked or squeezed. 
 Its an expensive piece of equipment but probably can  be rented someplace 
that rents such stuff.  It works best on coax cable but  I've used it 
successfully on many types of wires.
Jay
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 08:23:00 Eastern Daylight Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

Hey guys  and gals,
Since the SEL is a vast pool of knowledge to draw from, I need  help with
troubleshooting an underground wire at the new place. From the  house is a
12 ga wire that goes underground a couple of hundred feet to  feed a couple
of pole lights. This is that gray outdoor wire.
The lights  quit working and after some troubleshooting was surprised to
learn the wire  itself is bad. That's highly unusual as wire rarely goes
bad. After  disconnecting at each end and using jumpers and a ohm meter, I
have  determined the black wire is the one bad. The white (neutral) and
ground  wires are both good.
Yesterday I had a fellow come over with a signal  generator and tracer. We
hooked the signal to the black wire and the other  to a grounding rod.
Strangely the signal went all the way to the pole  light. This wire will
conduct the trace signal, but not a bit of current  will pass. Perhaps the
wet dirt is creating a bridge for the break in the  wire allowing the
signal to continue on past the break. We've had several  inches of rain the
last days.
So, how do I identify where the break is  w/o digging up the whole yard?
Is there a way to completely "burn" this  wire at the bad place, so the
tracer signal can no longer pass across the  bad place?

Looking forward to your creative ideas.
Curt  Holland


_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct 29 07:55:02 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Jay,
The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list and I'm chasing one of these.
That's some pretty neat technology. Basically RADAR for wires.
Thanks,
Curt

> Maybe someone else has suggested this by now - I haven't read all the
> responses.  Have you tried using a TDR to locate the problem?  That's
> short for
> Time Domain Reflectometer.  You connect it to one end and the  readout
> indicates distance along the wire to places where the cables
> "characteristic
> impedance" changes.  It will find open circuits, short  circuits, low
> resistance connections and even places where the conductors are  nicked or
> squeezed.
>  Its an expensive piece of equipment but probably can  be rented someplace
> that rents such stuff.  It works best on coax cable but  I've used it
> successfully on many types of wires.
> Jay




From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct 29 08:00:28 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:00:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of
>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>
>
> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his
> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about
> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>
> Mike

Mike,
I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may realize.
How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but haven't
heard much since.
Curt





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Fri Oct 29 08:33:17 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>


On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:00 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>> 
>>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a walk...barefooted of
>>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>> 
>> 
>> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan you his
>> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know about
>> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>> 
>> Mike
> 
> Mike,
> I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may realize.
> How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but haven't
> heard much since.
> Curt

Curt,

My "not here long" comment was directed at Richard... but Dave's mag tester that I'm thinking of is his "special" neighbor!

Mike
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 29 08:38:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:38:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

         I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
         ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
         ii)Displacement[Lit]  - 0.406
         iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000  6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)


         Or, if you prefer it in Imperial Measurements:
         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
         ii)Bore X Stroke (ins.) - 3.386" X 2.756" (As Near As Dammit)
         iii) Displacement[Cub. ins] - 24.77564
         iv)(Horsepower = 7.6 H.P. at 3000 rpm to 8.4 H.P. at 3600rpm (again, not 
necessary for the calculation but included for interest sake).

         What I need to know is what the pressure should read on my 
compression tester (either in Bar, KG per Sq CM or Lbs per Sq. Inch).

         The piston is flat topped but the head has a smallish domed 
combustion chamber but for these calculations I would think that it is O.K. 
to call it  flat (I realise that this would make the answer greater but I 
only need to be close).

         Alternatively someone may just know what the reading should be and 
you don't need to do all this maths on a Friday afternoon :-)

         I want to do the tests tomorrow morning so would appreciate any 
answers in the next 12 hours please. Bear in mind also that I only get the 
SEL Digest version which is due in about the next 1 1/2 hours so if you are 
reading this on the SEL List please copy the mail to me "Off List" at the 
address above. - Old engine list members do not need to do this. (He gets 
pushy now as well !!!)

         Thanks in advance guys.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Oct 29 08:48:44 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE:  OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com>
	<b5348d435133a02861444e937d3daefa.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring?
I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time.  Don't know if I missed some postings or if the project is on hold.

Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings about when it was finished.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting

Jay,
The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list 
Thanks,
Curt



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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 29 09:01:56 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:01:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>


On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Michael Tucker wrote:

>
> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:00 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
>>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:
>>>
>>>> High voltage to the black wire and take Missy for a  
>>>> walk...barefooted of
>>>> course.  Watch her hair and be prepared to cook for a week.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what Devin is for! Or better yet, see if Dave could loan  
>>> you his
>>> mag tester for a day. You're probably too new to the SEL to know  
>>> about
>>> Dave's mag tester so you should ask him.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> Mike,
>> I remember the mag tester well. Been here a lot longer than you may  
>> realize.
>> How is Nels anyway? He posted on the SEL about 6 months ago, but  
>> haven't
>> heard much since.
>> Curt
>
> Curt,
>
> My "not here long" comment was directed at Richard... but Dave's mag  
> tester that I'm thinking of is his "special" neighbor!
>
> Mike
I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
	Dave



From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Fri Oct 29 10:30:39 2010
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:30:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <e8ad68b4-9f98-4cba-a2d8-40b0d11691dc@email.android.com>

A compression ratio of 19:1 should produce pressures of about 19 bar.

Pete.


"Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>Hi All,
>    It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
>problem out :-)
>
>         I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
>Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.
>
>Here are the details that I have:
>         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
>         ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
>         ii)Displacement[Lit]  - 0.406
>     iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000  6.3/3600 (not necessary 
>for the calculation but included for interest sake)
>
>
>         Or, if you prefer it in Imperial Measurements:
>         i) Compression ratio is 19:1
>         ii)Bore X Stroke (ins.) - 3.386" X 2.756" (As Near As Dammit)
>         iii) Displacement[Cub. ins] - 24.77564
>    iv)(Horsepower = 7.6 H.P. at 3000 rpm to 8.4 H.P. at 3600rpm (again, not 
>necessary for the calculation but included for interest sake).
>
>         What I need to know is what the pressure should read on my 
>compression tester (either in Bar, KG per Sq CM or Lbs per Sq. Inch).
>
>         The piston is flat topped but the head has a smallish domed 
>combustion chamber but for these calculations I would think that it is
>O.K. 
>to call it  flat (I realise that this would make the answer greater but
>I 
>only need to be close).
>
>    Alternatively someone may just know what the reading should be and 
>you don't need to do all this maths on a Friday afternoon :-)
>
>       I want to do the tests tomorrow morning so would appreciate any 
>answers in the next 12 hours please. Bear in mind also that I only get
>the 
>SEL Digest version which is due in about the next 1 1/2 hours so if you
>are 
>reading this on the SEL List please copy the mail to me "Off List" at
>the 
>address above. - Old engine list members do not need to do this. (He
>gets 
>pushy now as well !!!)
>
>         Thanks in advance guys.
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

-- 
Pete Alleman
pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 29 11:21:34 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:21:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
	<059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
Message-ID: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

How about Jim Obara?  8-)))

On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
> 	Dave





From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 29 14:12:59 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:12:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com>
	<204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl>
	<SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl>
	<33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net>
	<69a164748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net>
	<059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
	<cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <08672C7D-2874-47AD-9AA6-DCF4B1233712@me.com>

I must confess to that one. In fact that's where I got the idea of  
using that retarded kid next door to test my mags!
	Dave
PS, Sure miss that kid since he moved away!
PPS, I find that I can only use my PROGRESSIVE/DEMOCRAT neighbors 3 to  
4 times before they "get wise!"
PPPS, Rule of thumb:
			Twelve inches off ground		mag is good
			Six inches off ground			Perhaps magnets should be recharged
			Less that six inches off ground	Magnets should be recharged!

On Oct 29, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> How about Jim Obara?  8-)))
>
> On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
>> 	Dave


From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 17:39:36 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <392223.23059.qm@web55903.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jerry,
If atmosphere is 14.7psi then multiplying by 19.1 ratio would yield 278.77psi.
Or maybe I'm so far in left field that the ball game is in the next town?
David

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:



?????????It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

? ? ? ???I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
? ? ? ???i) Compression ratio is 19:1
? ? ? ???ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
? ? ? ???ii)Displacement[Lit]? - 0.406
? ? ? ???iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000? 6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 19:15:49 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029164127.00dd1488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <275465.4921.qm@web55908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Jerry,
If atmosphere is 14.7psi then multiplying by 19.1 ratio would yield 278.77psi.
Or maybe I'm so far in left field that the ball game is in the next town?
David

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:



?????????It's Friday afternoon here and this ole brain refuses to work this 
problem out :-)

? ? ? ???I want to do a compression test on a small aircooled Chinese 
Diesel engine and need to modify a normal auto tester to do this.

Here are the details that I have:
? ? ? ???i) Compression ratio is 19:1
? ? ? ???ii)Bore?stroke [mm] - 86?70
? ? ? ???ii)Displacement[Lit]? - 0.406
? ? ? ???iii)Rated power/speed(kW/r/min) 5.7/3000? 6.3/3600 (not necessary 
for the calculation but included for interest sake)




      

From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct 29 20:24:15 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:24:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Oct 29 20:41:13 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:41:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>

Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
pure. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells


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From chris.a.coyle at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 20:55:05 2010
From: chris.a.coyle at gmail.com (chris.a.coyle at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 03:55:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800><9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <1818185663-1288410900-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-445136926-@bda795.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I run some stores in a Quick-Lube company and we have pulled the copper and went with black pipe. We have had little to no problem with condensation providing the pipe is run properly (minimize bends and make sure all low spots have a way to drain condensation). If there is an air leak to fix its much simpler and of course the initial cost as well as the repair cost is significantly less. We use 10HP compressors that literally run 6-8 hours per day. Northern Tool has good prices on regulators and water separators if you need some more components.

Chris Coyle
Fort Worth, TX
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:41:13 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
pure. Cya, Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
the corner. 
A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
out.
I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
spending a small fortune on copper pipe! 
I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
and cheaper than the other.

OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok? 
What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

I've got a lot of area to cover - 

http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg


Bill
Runnells


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 29 21:04:18 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:04:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Bill,
  If you are on a budget, CPVC plastic.  I have run CPVC water line 
without a problem. Its whats in my garage and a few others I have 
helped put up and or seen put up. Some of them way larger then your 
shop.   But I would suggest you don't pressurize over 130 psi. to be 
on the safe side. Although I have seen it in use up to 170.   But I 
feel thats pushing the limits of safety. Plastic also dissipates heat 
nicely, not as nice as copper buttttt. Where we tee off to do an ait 
drop we point  the T up then a nipple then a Ell and nipple again out 
then a Ell down for the drop. Slope the line back towards the 
compressor slightly so the water does not built up in the line and 
can be drained out the drop leg there. Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark



At 11:24 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 29 21:07:19 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:07:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <4CCB99F7.9090302@xplornet.com>

Hello Bill,
	I ran 3/4" type M copper pipe from one side of the large door along the 
walls to he other side of the large door in my shop with a drain 
installed at the end of each run. Drops are 1/2" copper. The compressor 
is more or less in the middle of the run. The outlets are raised a 
couple of inches above the main line. I also put a water trap wherever 
the main line turned upwards like over the personal door. I put a dryer, 
filter, oilers and regulators in where they were needed.

Rupert

On 10/29/2010 9:24 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:
> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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>

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 29 21:09:43 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:09:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
	<9769051E2C9046ED821B896A7D5819BA@VALUED3253602F>
Message-ID: <20101030040938.6AF31938C@smtp.wcoil.com>

We recommend air seps at point of use. Set it up with quick conns for 
ease of mobility from station to station so you don't have to have a 
sep for each station. The further you get the sep from the comp the 
better they work as the air is cooler before it passes through it.     Mark


At 11:41 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>Bill out here in Ca. we use PVC in all the body shops. Put drains every
>where and maybe add a drier by the tank. It all depends on how anal you are
>about moister. If you are going to be painting than the air has to be more
>pure. Cya, Jimmy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson
>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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>
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Oct 29 21:21:01 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:21:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <15829D9A8EEF424DB9DD9FECA31E7FFF@regpc>

I piped my shed with Gal pipe. 3/8 and 1/2 inch. We are drier here so water 
is not so much of a problem. Usual drain system and drain points below 
outlets.
I also have a pressure guage and a warning light for when on. Saves me 
getting out of bed to turn the bloody thing off! (Her indoors,"Ya left it on 
again!")
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?


> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 29 22:22:20 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:22:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>

I would consider pvc air lines one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my shop. Several times a year we were shut down when a pipe broke because someone pulled on a hose too hard or it got caught on a vehicle or something fell against it. My oldest son replaced it all with iron one summer when he was in college. No problems or lost time since and I feel lucky that no one was hurt with the shrapnel.
If you can set it up with a rise in the pipe away from the compressor so the moisture drains back, put a tee and drains at the hose connections as mentioned. In a home system moisture won't be as critical becasue it runs less.
J.B. Castagnos


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Oct 29 22:27:19 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:27:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
References: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <7877AE5BD72B4B8DB8B2657BCF0ADE58@peterlowe>

I have run black poly airlines all through my three shops with push fit 
fittings. This stuff is used all through industry here.
At the sugar mill where I used to work there would be hundreds of kilometres 
of the stuff.
Cheap and quick, all you need is a stanley knife and some saddles and 
screws.
Comes in all diameters.
Peter, Oz



> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 01:09:40 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:09:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
Message-ID: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up I
have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
slipped on the key:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg

I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs to
be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other flywheel:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Oct 30 04:08:13 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:08:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
References: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B04B700D09D4BAABFBC30BF4BE0AF6F@regpc>

That is a daunting sight!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Why the spokes don ? t line up


> After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up 
> I
> have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
> is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
> slipped on the key:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg
>
> I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs 
> to
> be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
> flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
> To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other 
> flywheel:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 04:45:57 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:45:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?=
In-Reply-To: <0B04B700D09D4BAABFBC30BF4BE0AF6F@regpc>
Message-ID: <C8F250A5.6192%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Gives me something to do in my spare moments ;)


On 30/10/10 10:08 PM, "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> That is a daunting sight!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From gop4evr at lsol.net  Sat Oct 30 06:31:09 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:31:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting
In-Reply-To: <cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <52c8.1cfc5265.39fabdfc@aol.com><204be58a66f78a945e5f389449ffa813.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><SNT143-ds2130CBFB050A9C
	44B6AD79BB440@phx.gbl><SNT143-ds2094DCF163789F3D12769ABB440@phx.gbl><33A048E1-F6E3-4286-BADE-C42B40125EB2@windstream.net><69a16
	4748f3b41f36585c9c59418b8e3.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><5D605079-E546-447B-BD96-0EA66539D7E0@windstream.net><059F6EC2-08D0-4BDF
	-B0D4-FD855F47BEDD@me.com>
	<cf68b7a95bb70efa97ce65dff3b5baf5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <369DAE1C-074F-4B9A-86B6-16C1FA069E72@lsol.net>

Whoa!  Wait a minute -- I think I missed something.

Although I have at times (accidentally) performed the "biological test" on mags and coils . . . .

Nels Johnsrud
Manitowoc WI
gop4evr at lsol.net




On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> How about Jim Obara?  8-)))
> 
> On Fri, October 29, 2010 12:01 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> I want it known that I NEVER attempted to use Nels to test a mag!
>> 	Dave
> 
> 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 07:18:20 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don=B9t_line_up?=
In-Reply-To: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8F21DF4.6187%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcfa93edb32357ce103893826aba2b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

One suggestion...  Keep those added "balance weights" along with a good set of
pictures, and make up a display board to show with the engine.  Those "farm repairs"
are an important piece of the engine's history and add something to the display and
to the hobby.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, October 30, 2010 4:09 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> After some careful measuring, removing the pulley and general cleaning up I
> have confirmed the reason for the spokes on Austral 351 not lineing up. It
> is not the crankshaft as I first suspected but one of the flywheels as
> slipped on the key:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct4.jpg
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct2.jpg
>
> I will have to get the key out and the flywheel off to assess what needs to
> be done. It will still be a big job but not as bad as having the pull both
> flywheels off and repairing the crankshaft!
> To rebalance the engine someone had added some metal to the other flywheel:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351oct5.jpg





From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 08:28:38 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
References: <C8F03D25.613B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<E5AA1ED7E0FE40A98B4BD87ACDCF02FA@l2800>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHh8hYCnudH5KVL0suOPdom3izbRvtO7B00wAh@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of quick notes:

The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall than M.
That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)

Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for 'pipe',
the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a nominal size,
tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in pipe
sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.

1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for any air
tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually two times
or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized - years ago -
and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.

I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before this
modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why something like
Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap. You
shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls into it
(moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom of the
leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.

I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering from some
accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will burst from
any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical damage
from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as safety goes -
and inconvenience as was mentioned.

Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with copper (or
galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
ceiling, then come down with copper again.

Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will drain
moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.

That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions, just ask.

Paul in California

PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased pencils and
paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic pipe.
PPS: Nice shop


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 10:24:30 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:24:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
Message-ID: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out, it works better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is super inexpensive.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2010 10:28 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>A couple of quick notes:
>
>The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall than M.
>That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)
>
>Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
>according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for 'pipe',
>the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a nominal size,
>tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in pipe
>sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.
>
>1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for any air
>tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually two times
>or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized - years ago -
>and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.
>
>I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before this
>modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why something like
>Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
>compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap. You
>shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls into it
>(moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom of the
>leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.
>
>I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering from some
>accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will burst from
>any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical damage
>from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as safety goes -
>and inconvenience as was mentioned.
>
>Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with copper (or
>galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
>ceiling, then come down with copper again.
>
>Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will drain
>moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.
>
>That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions, just ask.
>
>Paul in California
>
>PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased pencils and
>paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic pipe.
>PPS: Nice shop
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 10:37:07 2010
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:37:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>
References: <20101030012220.CF3RC.6286719.root@mp14>
Message-ID: <4CCC57C3.5070308@earthlink.net>

On 10/29/2010 10:22 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> I would consider pvc air lines one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my shop. Several times a year we were shut down when a pipe broke because someone pulled on a hose too hard or it got caught on a vehicle or something fell against it. My oldest son replaced it all with iron one summer when he was in college. No problems or lost time since and I feel lucky that no one was hurt with the shrapnel.
> If you can set it up with a rise in the pipe away from the compressor so the moisture drains back, put a tee and drains at the hose connections as mentioned. In a home system moisture won't be as critical becasue it runs less.
> J.B. Castagnos
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>
Good points about installing sloping lines, drains, and outlet points.  
Half-inch schedule 40 PVC has worked well on my home shop.  It is 
pressure-rated well above what my 60 gallon system puts out.   For 
outlets I installed half-inch galvanized pipe from PVC tees and well 
secured to joists.  At the compressor I used galvanized with a drain.  
The only problem, even after hours of sandblasting, was hot air that let 
the PVC bulge near the compressor.  I increased the length of galvanized 
to act as a better heat sink and things were fine thereafter.

Bob Holtzer


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 11:08:59 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:08:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>

Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want to  
take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:

> Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out,  
> it works better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is  
> super inexpensive.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Oct 30, 2010 10:28 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>>
>> A couple of quick notes:
>>
>> The wall thickness of the copper won't matter, L has a thicker wall  
>> than M.
>> That makes for a minor difference in flow quantity)
>>
>> Copper "pipe" is called that by the plumbing industry, it is 'tubing'
>> according to the manufacturer. When you by compression fittings for  
>> 'pipe',
>> the 1/2" pipe uses 5/8 fittings, the 3/4 uses 7/8. Pipe is a  
>> nominal size,
>> tubing is actual outside dimension. So you get solder fittings in  
>> pipe
>> sizes, compression fittings in tube sizes.
>>
>> 1/2 pipe (of any type) will move a lot of air, probably enough for  
>> any air
>> tool commonly used; remember it is under high pressure - usually  
>> two times
>> or more than normal water pressure. I have used 1/2 galvanized -  
>> years ago -
>> and had plenty of volume for an auto shop; copper will deliver more.
>>
>> I have use both iron and copper for shop lines, but that was before  
>> this
>> modern poly plastic stuff was availabe and I don't see why  
>> something like
>> Pex wouldn't work EXCEPT for oil in the line at, or near, the
>> compressor.That may be dealt with by a sediment, or moisture trap.  
>> You
>> shouldn''t need a log drip leg, as the length won't make what falls  
>> into it
>> (moisture) any heavier. I always used a needle valve at the bottom  
>> of the
>> leg and sometimes left it open slightly while running.
>>
>> I have seen plastic pipe used, but I'd be afraid of it shattering  
>> from some
>> accident. I don't think (but don't know for sure) that it will  
>> burst from
>> any reasonable pressure. I just don't like the chance of physical  
>> damage
>> from some accident. Others would be better informed as far as  
>> safety goes -
>> and inconvenience as was mentioned.
>>
>> Perhaps, in you situation, you could leave the compressor with  
>> copper (or
>> galvanized) and then run cheaper and easier to use plastic along the
>> ceiling, then come down with copper again.
>>
>> Slope the overhead downward, toward the end of the run, so it will  
>> drain
>> moisture easily; 1/8" to 1/4" per foot should work fine.
>>
>> That's all I can think of for now - if there are any questions,  
>> just ask.
>>
>> Paul in California
>>
>> PS: My training in Plumbing Engineering was back when we uased  
>> pencils and
>> paper for calculations, so I never paid much attention to plastic  
>> pipe.
>> PPS: Nice shop
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim Christoff
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 14:39:51 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
Message-ID: <423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pretty neat stuff!!

On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want to
> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8





From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Oct 30 15:05:54 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:05:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL ot-ot airlines in shop
Message-ID: <930B675D5AC9455D82D5AF3EE8FADB91@lightning>

I fixed 2x1 pine to my shed wall with a 6 inch fall over 20 feet & saddled my airhose to the top of the 2x1. Works well & hardly cost anything. John

From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 15:07:20 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:07:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Has anyone ever used PEX pipe?  I was thinking of trying that out, it works
> better than copper for water and will go 200psi plus it is super
> inexpensive.
>
> Tim Christoff
>



I use Pex for any re-plumb jobs that come up; but that's water. My concern,
and I haven't looked into this yet, is any oil that the compressor sends
through might eat the Pex up. Also Pex must be protected from the sun or it
will deteriorate.
Pex is cheap - and very easy and fast to install; might be worth a try,
especially if you have a lot of bends or runs that aren't straight.

Paul in Cal - just an opinion


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 15:24:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:24:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
	<423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>

Does that mean that we will start seeing it in new and retooled nuke  
plants?
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pretty neat stuff!!
>
> On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want  
>> to
>> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
>> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 15:33:21 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:33:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>

Very interesting Paul. Could you please tell be the pragmatic  
difference between "a lot of bends" and "runs that are not straight?"
	Dave
PS, Remember that due to the large expected turn out for the midterms  
next week Republicans are to vote on Tues. (Nov. 2nd) and Democrats  
are to vote on Wed. (Nov. 3rd.)

On Oct 30, 2010, at 6:07 PM, P. Johns wrote:
>
> I use Pex for any re-plumb jobs that come up; but that's water. My  
> concern,
> and I haven't looked into this yet, is any oil that the compressor  
> sends
> through might eat the Pex up. Also Pex must be protected from the  
> sun or it
> will deteriorate.
> Pex is cheap - and very easy and fast to install; might be worth a  
> try,
> especially if you have a lot of bends or runs that aren't straight.
>
> Paul in Cal - just an opinion


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 30 15:50:08 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:50:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the mathematicians out there :-)
In-Reply-To: <ED5647EBC658444487E7343054272037@tractor>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101029174434.00de4d08@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031003909.00d9c8a0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Thanks for all the answers. I was having problems with a small 
Chinese diesel engine but found the cause today.

         I got rather a lot of conflicting answers but it seems that the 
compression pressure should be around 920 Lbs/Sq. Inch)

         Some of you may be interested in reading my rather "long winded" 
(as usual) account of it here: :-)

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ringlan/index.htm>


         While you are on my site you may want to look at this page too:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/campbell/index.htm>

Campbell Horizontal cold starting heavy Oil Engine s/n 22439 - 16B.H.P. @ 
450 R.P.M
(This is the Cardiff, Wales, Campbell engine - not the Halifax built one)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct 30 16:37:09 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:37:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1288454402.18155.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 30/10/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:24:15 -0500
>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
>
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
><Big snip>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?

Hi Bill,
         Not sure what you guys in the USA call it but my airline is made 
from the thin walled drawn copper pipe used for plumbing and sweat soldered 
together (actually more like capilliary action soldering).

         This drawn (stretched ??) copper tube is much harder than the 
thicker walled (bendable) variety. My Compressor is under cover on the 
outside of my shop and I run an airline down both sidewalls (21 metres long 
each) as well as across the shop in 2 places (7 metres each) and also on 
various points outside the building. The long runs down the sidewalls 
should join at the far end to form a loop but I ran out of pipe before they 
met and have never got round to adding that last bit :-) but it would help 
to equalise the pressure.

         I have downpipes approx. every 1 1/2  metres apart (I'm a lazy 
bugger and don't want a long pipe or have to walk far to plug into air) 
with quick connect couplers . I've used 1/2" pipe throughout and my 
compressor is a Broom Wade (rather elderly but excellent quality) and is 
set to about 110 lbs/sq inch.   I have a loose pressure regulator that is 
also fitted with quick connect couplers and just plug this into whichever 
outlet I feel like using  at the time and set my pressure on that. By doing 
it that way the pressure on the line does not need to be changed for 
different purposes so I can for instance spray at quite low pressure and 
have another pipe about 1 1/2 metres away with high pressure for blowing 
dust away.

         I then have 4 or 5 compressor hoses of different lengths and can 
choose the one best suited to what I want to do.

         Regarding condensation - the answers already given are valid. Take 
the outlets "Up" out of the top of the pipe first and then bring them down 
to where your coupler is. The mains line must slope with a drain at the 
lowest end. (I have one on each corner of the building).

         This discussion was on the list about a year or so back and quite 
a lot of mention was also made of a cooling "device" near the compressor 
but I do not have that.

         My airline has been up since about 1988 and I've never had a leak 
or any other serious problem with it. My compressor is permanently switched 
on and, if I do not use any air then it only switches on about once in 3 
days - I think that the small amount of leakage is probably through the 
valves in the compressor. The only small problem is that the quick connect 
couplers on the outside walls are not brass and they tend to get a bit "dry 
and sticky" and need to be taken off every 2 years or so and oiled up and 
loosened and then they are fine again. (A bit of Q20 usually does the trick).

         My drains are not automatic - I blow them all out (and the one 
under the compressor) whenever I need to spray paint or use airtools. If I 
only need to use the blower I don't bother. Summer is our wet season and 
this needs to be done more often then due to the higher humidity in the air.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 30 17:38:30 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:38:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 79, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101031005251.00d8c568@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <0E6D245C-4823-48F5-AFAB-D25E9F825407@me.com>

Holy CRAP Batman--my airline is AirTran!
	Dave

On Oct 30, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>         Not sure what you guys in the USA call it but my airline is  
> made
> from the thin walled drawn copper pipe.....
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 30 19:57:45 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:57:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<63341F5B-91BE-4294-908B-485FB5F3D172@me.com>
	<423c969ee6d0f0eafd4ba084964cff03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<447E93CE-20B9-4B9C-BD9B-2D94848007CF@me.com>
Message-ID: <4d17fbf6ea56d3a0661e5ec48b512de4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

HDPE is already used for a lot of buried non-nuclear-safety piping on nuke plant
sites.  Dunno about the cross-linked variety though.

On Sat, October 30, 2010 6:24 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Does that mean that we will start seeing it in new and retooled nuke
> plants?
> 	Dave
>
> On Oct 30, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> Pretty neat stuff!!
>>
>> On Sat, October 30, 2010 2:08 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Those of you that are as ignorant about PEX pipe as am I might want
>>> to
>>> take a look at: http://www.pexinfo.com/ and/or
>>> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=PEX+pipe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 30 20:05:44 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:05:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <4d17fbf6ea56d3a0661e5ec48b512de4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C05AAF83C3D24CB788DE22D33278D3A9@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Heck Arnie, if its good 'nuff for nukes, its got to be good 'nuff for
air!  In my old shop (that the BIG air got) I plumbed all over it with
schedule 80 PVC.  I had a big compressor on it and maintained 165 psi at
all times.  I never had a problem.  I did have a couple of water filters
and traps on it and they worked well at keeping the lines clear.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



HDPE is already used for a lot of buried non-nuclear-safety piping on
nuke plant sites.  Dunno about the cross-linked variety though.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 21:27:51 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:27:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>
References: <25375700.1288459470762.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTimqRc_ggP-A7g26=y2BQcD9pEZBfSDbFpVKMKom@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F0177C7-3631-42CC-8008-566A5AB8D47B@me.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbdyyeyGHaWpn0brS21d24EEV=iBR2HKVOXgJ1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Very interesting Paul. Could you please tell be the pragmatic
> difference between "a lot of bends" and "runs that are not straight?"
>        Dave
>

Technically a lot of bends and runs that aren't straight may be about the
same thing. First, usually to a plumber a 'bend' would be an angled fitting.
A run that isn't straight might require bending a pipe length somewhat as an
easier alternative to adding fittings. (It makes a difference to me - but
probably nobody else.)

With Pex, you can frequently make an entire run without fittings. It would
also be handy to fish behind installed benched or machines.

As for speed, I bought a house that had the copper removed by thieves. My
plumber showed up with a helper (a very pretty gal, but that's another
story) and they re-plumbed, from the meter: two baths, a kitchen and laundry
in about ten hours. If any other method was used, it would have been a lot
longer. I'm a big fan of Pex for the speed aspect alone. But again, I know
it was designed for water, so clean air wouldn't be a problem; but oil from
the compressor and contaminates in the shop - assuming it isn't installed
behind walls or under floors - may be a problem. I know it must be protected
from sunlight.

Incidentally, the schedule 80 that Judge Tommy used should do the trick in
most cases.

Paul

PS: Now I'm curious, I'll have to look into the Pex/air situation. One thing
I'm thinking is that if oil started to deteriorate it, it would bulge or
discolor first; and a repair would be cheap. I have some Pex, I guess I'll
have to soak it in oil for a bit to see what happens.


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Oct 31 10:17:28 2010
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>

Your mileage may vary....
http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html
There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist...
http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306

Paul Gray


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 10:35:48 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:35:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines
In-Reply-To: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1288540802.24242.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvmOw1JDJw7nNS-01rHbYn0mJvTRzhpTuVtmS=@mail.gmail.com>

Paul;
Thanks - I have heard rumors about shattered plastic, but never met anyone
who witnessed it. It does make sense.
I very much appreciate those links.

Paul - the one from Nor Cal

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Paul + Colleen Gray <
pcgray at zoominternet.net> wrote:

> Your mileage may vary....
> http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html
> There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist...
> http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306
>
> Paul Gray
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 31 15:31:41 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:31:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] PEX & Chemical Resistance
Message-ID: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>


Too easy, guys

http://www.plasticpipe.org/pdf/tr-19_thermoplastic_pipe_for_transport_of_chemical.pdf

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  

From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Oct 31 16:01:43 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <20101030040413.AA52992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <D69EE4E0547F47938CC64EE9356E6AFE@l2800>

>> Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark <<

That's the plan - if that's what you call 'em - a low spot with a valve to
drain water that goes past the air coupling.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

Hi Bill,
  If you are on a budget, CPVC plastic.  I have run CPVC water line 
without a problem. Its whats in my garage and a few others I have 
helped put up and or seen put up. Some of them way larger then your 
shop.   But I would suggest you don't pressurize over 130 psi. to be 
on the safe side. Although I have seen it in use up to 170.   But I 
feel thats pushing the limits of safety. Plastic also dissipates heat 
nicely, not as nice as copper buttttt. Where we tee off to do an ait 
drop we point  the T up then a nipple then a Ell and nipple again out 
then a Ell down for the drop. Slope the line back towards the 
compressor slightly so the water does not built up in the line and 
can be drained out the drop leg there. Put drop legs in each of your 
drops too.    Mark



At 11:24 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
>I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
>instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
>the corner.
>A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
>He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
>He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the compressor,
>with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
>that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out
and
>ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
>inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same
idea,
>the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
>out.
>I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
>spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
>I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner wall
>and cheaper than the other.
>
>OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
>Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
>What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
>I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
>http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells
>
>
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USA

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Oct 31 16:04:53 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:04:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?
In-Reply-To: <15829D9A8EEF424DB9DD9FECA31E7FFF@regpc>
Message-ID: <5DA23129EDC94A46A483F1F5E96193B3@l2800>

Water is a HUGE issue here. Last summer it was so bad I had to run a
dehumidifier in my shop - the vinyl in the cars was getting moldy. The door
panels and seats I had in the shop have spots all over them. The floor
actually had water droplets so bad it was slick.
But with 13" of rain in 2 days, I guess......
Anyway, yes, with Iowa summers, humidity is a huge issue with air. I can run
my compressor only for a short time, and can get several t-spoons of water
out the bottom drain.
I need to think of that light system, my shop is a couple hundred feet from
the house...

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?

I piped my shed with Gal pipe. 3/8 and 1/2 inch. We are drier here so water 
is not so much of a problem. Usual drain system and drain points below 
outlets.
I also have a pressure guage and a warning light for when on. Saves me 
getting out of bed to turn the bloody thing off! (Her indoors,"Ya left it on

again!")
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle NSW Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT-OT- air lines in shop?


> I've got to get a better way to get air to my work benches and other areas
> instead of a single hose dragged all over the place from the compressor in
> the corner.
> A friend said he used copper pipe (not tube, but pipe)
> He ran 3/4 for the "mains" and branched off to each connection with 1/2.
> He also ran a vertical run of several feet up the wall from the 
> compressor,
> with a drain valve at the bottom. He said when the air left the tank into
> that cool copper run that was several feet tall, the water condensed out 
> and
> ran to the bottom where he could drain it. He also ran the pipe a couple
> inches or so below each T where the connection for the hose was - same 
> idea,
> the water would run down past the hose connection, and he could drain it
> out.
> I looked into doing this, but with a 30x36 shop with 14' ceilings, I'd be
> spending a small fortune on copper pipe!
> I also found that Menards sells two "grades" of the pipe - one thinner 
> wall
> and cheaper than the other.
>
> OK, finally the question - what are others doing?
> Is the copper pipe with solder/sweat connections ok?
> What about the M compared to L grades of pipe?
>
> I've got a lot of area to cover -
>
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-009.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-005.jpg
> http://theamcpages.com/images/garage/shop-008.jpg
>
>
> Bill
> Runnells
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 16:27:46 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] PEX & Chemical Resistance
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W71138936AC78F46B31113CB470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=K1hk=3vd0q-FyrM-KZdh3N_bTXBR2bV2bARz0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bruce . . .
But you say easy? = 47 pages!
Anyway their disclaimer starts:

"Chemicals that do not normally affect the properties of an

Unstressed thermoplastic may cause completely different

Behavior (such as stress cracking) when under thermal or

Mechanical stress (such as constant internal pressure or

Frequent thermal or mechanical stress cycles).

*Unstressed immersion test chemical resistance information*

*Is applicable only when the thermoplastic pipe will not be*

*Subject to mechanical or thermal stress that is constant*
*Or cycles frequently*."

The amount of oil going into a Pex line should be minimal. especially if the
first section, up to a vertical rise, is metal. I would still consider the
sunlight - and some florescent - light problem.

I may look into this a little further because PEX may be the way to go, but
for now I'd say copper would be a sure thing as it is tried and true.

Paul in California