From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 1 02:27:42 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? References: Message-ID: There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical you want to go. http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water traps. If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works overtime. I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the stuff, never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured and clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or if you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as flexible. I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician (Flow, Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade for over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in all industries in Australia. My $0.02 worth and experience. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Nov 1 03:02:52 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 06:02:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: For what its worth; I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, glued, let stand for several days prior to use. All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than metal piping. I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. { Just my experience} Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: plowe at exemail.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 > Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? > > There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical you > want to go. > http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf > If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you > want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water traps. > If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. > It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray > painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works > overtime. > > I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in > Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the stuff, > never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured and > clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or if > you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as > flexible. > I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. > SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: > http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php > > I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician (Flow, > Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade for > over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black > pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in all > industries in Australia. > My $0.02 worth and experience. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 1 04:40:23 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 04:40:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yes, my compressor is set to a cutoff of about 150 as well. It's a single-stage 5 hp. So I need to be safe to over 150 - I'd feel better with 180-200 psi range just in case...... Bill > > > For what its worth; > I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, > 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, > Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, > glued, let stand for several days prior to use. > All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps > to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. > The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. > > This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. > > And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than > metal piping. > > I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. > and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. > > { Just my experience} > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> From: plowe at exemail.com.au >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 >> Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? >> >> There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical >> you >> want to go. >> http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf >> If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you >> want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water >> traps. >> If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. >> It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray >> painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works >> overtime. >> >> I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in >> Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the >> stuff, >> never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured >> and >> clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or >> if >> you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as >> flexible. >> I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. >> SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: >> http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php >> >> I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician >> (Flow, >> Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade >> for >> over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black >> pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in >> all >> industries in Australia. >> My $0.02 worth and experience. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 09:53:02 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:53:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engi nes.com> References: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20101101165329.AA98893AE@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi All, As a side note: You can greatly increase the life of your single stage compressor sold to you as capable of 150 by setting the cut off down to 125. Years ago single stage compressors were originally intended for 100 psi max. Then 40-50 years ago they started cheating them up to 125. In the 60s and 70s a major chain store started to sell them set up for 135-145. Now companies are cheating them again up to the 150 range. Hell they will pump up to 200 if you force them. They will do it in the short run but it does take life off of the pump in the long run to take the air from 14.5psi (depending on your altitude), up to 150 all in one step. If you can work with the lesser pressure you will gain a lot in the long run. You the user will never know what you loose by using the higher pressure. And very few of the sales people at the big box stores know much more then what the manufacturers sales propaganda states. So asking them about this subject will gain you little to none. Yes manufacturers have done some (and thats being generous to say that.) improvements to valves to increase durability at the higher pressures but the fact remains you can gain a lot by making do with less. Most air tools are designed for operation at 90 psi on average. And to use them on pressures up in the triple digits is hard on them too. Its a game of numbers, you claim larger numbers of delivery or pressure then your competition you sell more. As an added benefit lesser pressure means cooler air thus less water in your air as the separators can do a better job. Mark At 07:40 AM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Yes, my compressor is set to a cutoff of about 150 as well. It's a >single-stage 5 hp. >So I need to be safe to over 150 - I'd feel better with 180-200 psi range >just in case...... > >Bill > > > > > > > > For what its worth; > > I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, > > 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, > > Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, > > glued, let stand for several days prior to use. > > All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps > > to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. > > The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. > > > > This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. > > > > And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than > > metal piping. > > > > I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. > > and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. > > > > { Just my experience} > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: plowe at exemail.com.au > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 > >> Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? > >> > >> There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical > >> you > >> want to go. > >> http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf > >> If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you > >> want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water > >> traps. > >> If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. > >> It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray > >> painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works > >> overtime. > >> > >> I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in > >> Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the > >> stuff, > >> never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured > >> and > >> clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or > >> if > >> you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as > >> flexible. > >> I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. > >> SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: > >> http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php > >> > >> I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician > >> (Flow, > >> Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade > >> for > >> over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black > >> pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in > >> all > >> industries in Australia. > >> My $0.02 worth and experience. > >> > >> Regards > >> Peter Lowe > >> R&V Engine Registrar > >> Australia > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >> Skype name: ozengines > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 1 11:18:39 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:18:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 01/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:17:28 -0400 >From: Paul + Colleen Gray >Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4 at zoominternet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >Your mileage may vary.... >http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html >There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist... >http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306 > >Paul Gray Hi Paul, Interesting links but I think many people may be getting confused between PVC and CPVC (which Mark mentioned). The OHASA reports only mentioned PVC. (Polyvinylchloride) which is a hard, rather brittle thermoplastic commonly used for water pipes, soil vent pipes (sewage) and uses requiring resistance to certain chemicals (only some chemicals - NOT solvents). In past years this was called uPVC - unplasticised Polyvinylchloride - today the "u" seems to have been dropped. I do not have much experience with CPVC (Chlorinated Polyvinylchloride) but it is a modified PVC and more flexible than and "tougher" than PVC. This is what Mark recommended - maybe he could give us some more info on it. From a bit of "Googling" it does appear to be a better choice than PVC but nowhere as good as PEX. I know very little about PEX (I've been out of plastics since 1986) but reading about it on the net it seems to be a great product/system and very easy to use. Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very happy with it :-) Interesting to see a familiar face halfway down the page on that Home Shop Machinist link - Hi Orrin, how're you keeping :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 1 11:45:55 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:45:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC pipe: On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used on a system using compressed air or other gases" Jerry From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 1 15:31:27 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:31:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her closest friends? Dave On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > I know very little about SEX (I've been out of plastics since > 1986)........ > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 16:00:21 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 23:00:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Message-ID: On 1 November 2010 22:31, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her > closest friends? > ? ? ? ?Dave ROFL! Trust Dave to pick that one up! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 1 18:17:07 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:17:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Message-ID: <7A07F111B7144BBB9F77523ECA7B99AD@regpc> Having decided to visit my Bro in S Africa for Xmas, I wonder if I should check out their fare prices. They may be cheaper than Qantas Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 19:10:59 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:10:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi, I can't tell you more then the web about CPVC. Just that my experience is with CPVC and we have never had problems with it. Trust me we really would rather put in Black Pipe. (Not Galvanized!!) but if you are on a budget CPVC is the way. I never tried Pex but it looks like its ok. I am not up on the modern water pipe but Pex is the stuff that comes on rolls? If so I would think it would not be as nice to work with as far as keeping it straight. We do not want bellys in the lines to gather water. CPVC stick is easier to put up and keep straight with support. If I were not putting up black pipe it would be CPVC. I do like the thought of copper and polishing it up. GRINNN Just too expensive. I know a fellow engine collector from New Jersy that when he discovered the exposed water pipes in his houses crawl space basement was copper he polished it all. Sure was perdy. Yah gotta understand this fellow he is a clean, neat and tidy freak. As well as being a details fellow. TTYL, Mark At 02:18 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > Interesting links but I think many people may be getting confused >between PVC and CPVC (which Mark mentioned). > > The OHASA reports only mentioned PVC. (Polyvinylchloride) which is >a hard, rather brittle thermoplastic commonly used for water pipes, soil >vent pipes (sewage) and uses requiring resistance to certain chemicals >(only some chemicals - NOT solvents). In past years this was called uPVC - >unplasticised Polyvinylchloride - today the "u" seems to have been dropped. > > I do not have much experience with CPVC (Chlorinated >Polyvinylchloride) but it is a modified PVC and more flexible than and >"tougher" than PVC. This is what Mark recommended - maybe he could give >us some more info on it. From a bit of "Googling" it does appear to be a >better choice than PVC but nowhere as good as PEX. > > I know very little about PEX (I've been out of plastics since >1986) but reading about it on the net it seems to be a great product/system >and very easy to use. > > Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very >happy with it :-) > > Interesting to see a familiar face halfway down the page on that >Home Shop Machinist link - Hi Orrin, how're you keeping :-) > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 1 19:22:32 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:22:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Good doG, This thread has sure gone downhill! Dave On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi, > I never tried Sex but it > looks like its ok. TTYL, Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 1 19:39:27 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__PVC_air_lines?= Message-ID: <380-22010112223927316@M2W135.mail2web.com> Very good Reg :-)))))) Pete PVC air lines Having decided to visit my Bro in S Africa for Xmas, I wonder if I should check out their fare prices. They may be cheaper than Qantas Reg -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 22:20:51 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 01:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <20101102052042.2122C9368@smtp.wcoil.com> Yup is sure does say that. I never said the manufacturer recommended it for compressed gases. The manufacturer never intended or rated it for compressed gas so they have to say never for liability reasons. But we have seen it done for years and I have put it in my own shop. Bill did express some concerns over cost. Sweat copper is easy if you know how to sweat but expensive. I think black pipe is cheaper but involves a lot of cutting and threading, that for someone who has not cut and threaded is a daunting task and has a good bit of skill involved to do it without breaking something. Plastic is the cheapest way I know to plumb a shop. And if its laid out right it works well and if its braced well around the outlets I have never seen it fail. I seen a suggestion to run the main trunk line in plastic then drops with black pipe. I've seen that done too and its a great compromise idea and eliminates the hose tugging and bump risk. TTYL, Mark At 02:45 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC >pipe: > > > On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used >on a system using compressed air or other gases" >Jerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 00:26:47 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:26:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: On 1 November 2010 18:18, Jerry Evans wrote: > ? ? ? ? Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very > happy with it :-) SMC Corporation do a Polyurethane air line tube, rated to 0.8MPa or 116psi. Look for type TU: http://www.smc.eu RS have the datasheet here: http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0df8/0900766b80df850b.pdf Easy to install, there's a 16mm OD size as well as the smaller sizes listed on the pdf file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 2 04:22:55 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] USA members Message-ID: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From amkimmell at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 05:04:06 2010 From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:04:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <700243596-1288699447-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1652941966-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Git-er-done! Headed to the polls right now to kick some democrat ass! -Tony -----Original Message----- From: Germoamer at aol.com Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 To: Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] USA members May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 2 05:42:57 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 08:42:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> <700243596-1288699447-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1652941966-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <03a501cb7a8b$7a6bd080$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> I'll second that!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Kimmell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] USA members > Git-er-done! Headed to the polls right now to kick some democrat ass! > > -Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 > To: > Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] USA members > > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16190) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16190) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Nov 2 06:20:53 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: Send 'em where they belong - FLUSH THE TOILET!!!! Go out and vote today! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:23 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] USA members > > > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 2 07:54:59 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:54:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3206a21cec2f74b92a2119121629054d.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> 51% of this country wants to give their person another chance...... Go ahead, call us stupid, maybe we deserve to fall in the world order if we really are THAT dumb....... Bill > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 2 07:55:55 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:55:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3700a67512f00b205f3aa3151aa3254f.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Right after work - it's not far from home, only 3.5 miles. No excuse. Bill > Send 'em where they belong - FLUSH THE TOILET!!!! > > Go out and vote today! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >> Germoamer at aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:23 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] USA members >> >> >> May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 2 08:02:05 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <20101102052042.2122C9368@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1B098F002327458AB0DF58AA5EE0C4D1@D2JYVHJ1> Schedule 80 plastic (the gray colored stuff) is pretty heavy duty. The air compressor I have in my shop is a big Campbell Hausfield. 100 gal tank, 10 HP electric motor (that is huge, not one of the "small" motors) and a big cast iron 2 stage compressor. It was bought for an industry and they never installed it. I bought it and put it in the shop. It kicks off at 165 psi and on at about 135. I can put a 1/4 inch air chuck in it and let the air flow freely out of the hose. It will kick on, pump up and kick back off. Its great for sandblasting. I had my old shop on this compressor and had the whole shop plumbed with the gray schedule 80 pipe, probably 150 ft. It lasted for 12 years before the tornado got it. I never had a problem with it in any way. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] PVC air lines Yup is sure does say that. I never said the manufacturer recommended it for compressed gases. The manufacturer never intended or rated it for compressed gas so they have to say never for liability reasons. But we have seen it done for years and I have put it in my own shop. Bill did express some concerns over cost. Sweat copper is easy if you know how to sweat but expensive. I think black pipe is cheaper but involves a lot of cutting and threading, that for someone who has not cut and threaded is a daunting task and has a good bit of skill involved to do it without breaking something. Plastic is the cheapest way I know to plumb a shop. And if its laid out right it works well and if its braced well around the outlets I have never seen it fail. I seen a suggestion to run the main trunk line in plastic then drops with black pipe. I've seen that done too and its a great compromise idea and eliminates the hose tugging and bump risk. TTYL, Mark At 02:45 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC >pipe: > > > On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used >on a system using compressed air or other gases" >Jerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3222 - Release Date: 11/01/10 07:35:00 From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 08:06:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 11:06:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure that this List is the place for this sort of partisan politics. However, in the interest of properly turning out a large vote let me remind everyone that in light of the LARGE EXPECTED turnout for these midterms Republicans are to vote today and Democrats are to vote tomorrow! Dave On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 2 09:18:55 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:18:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines and ex wives :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 02/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:31:27 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] PVC air lines >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671 at me.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > >Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her >closest friends? > Dave > >On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:> > > I know very little about SEX (I've been out of plastics since > > 1986)........ > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans Hi Dave :-) You caught me by changing the spelling on another subject about 2 years ago - you will not get it right a second time :-).................I'm wise to your tricks !! Regarding the (ex) wife, I have not got a clue what she says ( I've not seen her in close to 20 years) but I would not be surprised if that's what she tells ALL her friends and anyone else who cares to listen :-) Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 2 09:21:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:21:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines & ex wives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102182015.00e0dcf0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 02/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 23:00:21 +0000 >From: Listerdiesel > >On 1 November 2010 22:31, David Rotigel wrote: > > Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her > > closest friends? > > ? ? ? ?Dave > >ROFL! > >Trust Dave to pick that one up! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, Surely you meant "Trust Dave to change the spelling of the original !" :-) Jerry From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 2 09:59:52 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:59:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL everyday :-( The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. One, we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt > Curt, > > Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? > I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I missed > some postings or if the project is on hold. > > Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings > about when it was finished. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting > > Jay, > The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list > Thanks, > Curt > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 2 10:37:16 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Thanks for posting the link to Devin's project. Very interesting. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting George, Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL everyday :-( The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. One, we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt > Curt, > > Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? > I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I missed > some postings or if the project is on hold. > > Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings > about when it was finished. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting > > Jay, > The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list > Thanks, > Curt > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 10:40:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines and ex wives :-) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <6D71CBF4-66C8-4A30-B0AE-0FC6773987AB@me.com> > Damn Jerry, I probably couldn't use you for testing more than one mag either! Dave > Hi Dave :-) > You caught me by changing the spelling on another subject > about 2 > years ago - you will not get it right a second > time :-).................I'm > wise to your tricks !! > > Regarding the (ex) wife, I have not got a clue what she says ( > I've not seen her in close to 20 years) but I would not be surprised > if > that's what she tells ALL her friends and anyone else who cares to > listen :-) > > Keep well, > Jerry From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 11:14:23 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:14:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: GO DEVIN! Lookin GOOD! Dave On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > George, > Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL > everyday :-( > The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. > One, > we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some > room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's > Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is > constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the > slab, > posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project > than we > should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. > I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if > you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to > put up > the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. > > > We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so > we > are really running tight! > Curt > > >> Curt, >> >> Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? >> I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I >> missed >> some postings or if the project is on hold. >> >> Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the >> postings >> about when it was finished. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting >> >> Jay, >> The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list >> Thanks, >> Curt >> >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 2 12:22:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Curt & Devin, You guys have made some nice progress since Cotton Ginning Daze! See ya, Arnie On Tue, November 2, 2010 1:37 pm, Best, George wrote: > Thanks for posting the link to Devin's project. > Very interesting. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's > Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is > constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, > posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we > should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. > I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if > you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up > the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 2 12:43:09 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <180CF66308BA4BE5913B3315B581A3DE@ckcsdb40cdd57a> Wow, great work Devin (and Curt). That will be a great addition to the show. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 3 12:19:48 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:19:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 80, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101103211527.00df85d0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/11/2010, you wrote: >ails.html> >We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we >are really running tight! >Curt From the other side of the globe - well done Devin and to you Curt and Missy for instilling values like this into your son. I take my hat off to you 3. I cannot say more! If we had more people like you this world would be a better place for us all. Jerry From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 01:29:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:29:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?= In-Reply-To: <8f77800f7bdb7cb65d59ee2556cb1bf6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: It looks like both flywheels have been moving on the keys on the 3.5hp Austral so both will need attention. One key came out OK after a bit of effort but the other side one will be a problem. Only about a third of the key came free. It seems it broke a long time ago under the strain. The flywheel is moving and the shaft so I am hoping to get the flywheel off without having to resort to extreme methods to remove the broken section of key. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 04:39:30 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:39:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Reg, This will end up being a long term project as I gather bits for the engine. I now have a good idea of what is needed. One idea that has been floated is to rotate the flywheels 180 degrees and cut new keyways. The flywheels on Australs are not balanced (the crank is) so this is a possibility. All suggestions will be looked at on this one. As well as the flywheels and crank the other major job is fixing a split and a couple of holes in the barrel. Someone has made a start on the split and ground it out. There is quite a bit of meat left so it should not be too bad to repair. No.351 may be put aside for a while so I can finish a couple of other projects and I may be a little busy when the baby arrives ;) I have some parts under way for this engine but it is a bit of a challenge as many things are different on this early engine to the later ones. Most of the bits I am missing are completely different to my other 3.5hp engine so I cannot use it as a template. Patrick On 5/11/10 8:04 PM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: > Patrick, at this point, you have to see that only a serious look at the > keyways on the shafts and the wheels with a view to getting them true and > square, (even if this means a wider key and keyway), has to be the best way > to fix this. > Welding will cause distortion. Stepped keys will only be a 'sorta repair'. > So, My advice is to spend a few $$ and get the keyways re cut. New keys. > (wider, so what?). > Then the rest of the restoration can be built on a solid crank repair. > Otherwise, there will always be the doubt. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Livingstone" > To: "Oldengine" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: Why the spokes don?t line up > > >> It looks like both flywheels have been moving on the keys on the 3.5hp >> Austral so both will need attention. One key came out OK after a bit of >> effort but the other side one will be a problem. Only about a third of the >> key came free. It seems it broke a long time ago under the strain. The >> flywheel is moving and the shaft so I am hoping to get the flywheel off >> without having to resort to extreme methods to remove the broken section >> of >> key. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html >> Patrick >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cwja at telus.net Fri Nov 5 13:22:16 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:22:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E Message-ID: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by being obvious. -- Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Nov 5 13:50:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: Jeff: I think a quarter pound of pull is very weak. You need to have the magnets charged -on- the magneto and you should be fine. You can test run the engine on battery and coil without the magneto (just leave it unhooked -NOT- in the battery circuit!). If the magneto is in any way connected to a battery, the magnets may be depolarized and the magic smoke could leak out. - The negative terminal of the battery should go to the engine frame. - The positive terminal of the battery should go through an induction coil* to the ignitor. - On a magneto fired engine, when running on battery and coil, do NOT let the engine stop with the ignitor points closed. If you do so, because the ignitor points are closed most of the time, they will probably be closed when the engine stops (see Murphy's Law) and will keep the coil in the circuit. If the coil is left on for a relatively long time, the magic smoke will most likely leak out. *: A suitable low tension coil can be made using the primary of a regular auto ignition coil, a starter solenoid, an auto A/C clutch coil or other suitable inductance. I hope this helped. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 4:22 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; C. W. Jefferys Allen > Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my > ignitor from my > magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary > Engine. I have totally > cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with > another identical > JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the > bearings, and still > I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the > instructions in my > manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, > matching the marks > on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine > compression, cleaned up > the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and > needle valve > (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three > different ignitors > that I have and the points are bright metal after > cleaning and the > points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily > through good > compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the > detent before mounting > the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. > I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the > two magnetos and > still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of > pull when I remove > the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice > as a keeper). Do > these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? > For most cases I > am very familiar with these old engines and generally > don't have trouble > getting them started. I have a good number of engines > but this is my > first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on > my flywheel > engines and have had no trouble cleaning and > refurbishing them. This is > my first try with a JD and I thought because of the > general good > condition of the engine it would be quite simple to > start. Live and > learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me > look silly by > being obvious. > -- > Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 5 13:50:57 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 07:50:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <90E9A33B04A64DF7853DFAA50D809E45@regpc> If you take a magnet off a mag, you lose a LOT of the magnetism. You need to recharge it in situ. Does the engine run with a battery and coil? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "C. W. Jefferys Allen" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E > I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my > magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally > cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical > JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still > I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my > manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks > on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up > the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve > (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors > that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the > points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good > compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting > the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. > I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and > still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove > the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do > these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I > am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble > getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my > first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel > engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is > my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good > condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and > learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by > being obvious. > -- > Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Nov 5 14:51:08 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and the owner of the engine had been trying to run this ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model T Ford coil. Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil they had been using to no avail. Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had laying around as I had no low tension coils, and hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your posting and had the engine running fine in a few minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for many years later. No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E *: A suitable low tension coil can be made using the primary of a regular auto ignition coil, a starter solenoid, an auto A/C clutch coil or other suitable inductance. I hope this helped. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jswords at mcn.net Fri Nov 5 19:01:14 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:01:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> Dear All I think I need some help but first some background. Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and watch it run. So after some looking around I found an auction that was only about 300 miles away and went and bought a 1.5 hp McCormick Deering M engine and what I thought was a 3 hp McCormick Deering M but after I got home I found it was another 1.5 hp. After some work and buying a fuel pump I had the engine sitting on metal table. Wait for it?... I tried to start it up. Well, it did start and there I am holding onto my engine so it does not fall off the table and break while trying to find the off switch. I guess they did not need one when it was new. Or more likely when it was new no one would put it on a table and then start it. After about five minutes of this monster piece of metal bouncing around the table I got it stopped. The next time I did have it on the ground to start it. But I knew I needed someone to teach me some of the basics of these engines so went to a local tractor collector show and found out who was the best to learn from. Just wanting to learn how to make them work I walked up to the gentleman and started to ask questions. I watched as he worked on getting some engines running, offered to help where I could, handing holding and helping move things. I had my daughter with me and it was fun watching but somehow I asked the wrong/right question and he gave me his engines. Four or five big ones and 10-15 small ones like the Maytag. It turns out he was retiring from his farm and moving in town with a son on the other side of Montana and did not want to take the engines and wanted someone to enjoy his engines. So for a number of years I took my tractors (IHC from the 1950?s) up to the show and would haul out engines. I would run the M, picked up a corn sheller and a flour mill (the engine and flour mill was used for many years in a small town of Wibaux) so I would have corn on the cob that people could shell and then make corn meal on the spot. It was good. I slowed down after hurting my back so have not made the show for a while. But this fall found some auctions close by that had some hit & miss engines. I got bit with the ?bug? again. I ended up buying a 1 hp Economy Gasoline Engine ?Improved Model? sn SN33709 - (not sure of year or model but the casting has 5-23-13). It is missing some things and I have found and bought a gas tank and the gas filler tube and a cart/truck and then started to look for a carburetor. Did you know that many of these engines do not have carburetors but have fuel mixers?? Who knew? And why would a small cart be called a truck?? So looking and asking around I found that there might be a J type fuel mixer for the Economy but also a Luckenheimer fuel mixer was used. I found one dealer that had one but it was stolen off his table at a show. So after posting a message on Smoke-stack I was pointed to some ebay listings. One for a 1 inch RH and one for a ? inch RH or LH (not sure) Luckenheimer. I measured the pipe the mixer would screw into and it was about 1 inch. Looked at images of RH and LH mixers but how do you know which was correct. I won the ebay auction and waited until it showed up in the mail. But like lumber what you ask for and what is measured does not match!!!! *&^(*&%%$%%^*** I now have a nice 1 inch RH Lunkenheimer but need I am pretty sure a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer fuel mixer. So DOES anyone have a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer for sale or know where I and get one??? Anyone need a nice 1 inch?? Once I have the mixer then I have to figure out how to get the spark??? This is not like the McCormick Deering M at all. I would love to get this engine running before the new year. Any help would be greatly appreciated. While I wait I am working on a 2.25 hp Galloway, John Deere, Whitte and a Grey. All in pieces but it is cold here in the winter. ? This is a great list and I enjoy reading it every day. I am on digest mode so will see the emails only once a day. Later david -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Nov 6 06:36:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 09:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I'm sorry if I treated you like a newbie. I didn't know that you were familiar with flywheel engines. Good luck and let us know when you get it running. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I > was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John > Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and > the owner of the engine had been trying to run this > ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had > bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model > T Ford coil. > > Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it > to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine > which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil > they had been using to no avail. > > Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had > laying around as I had no low tension coils, and > hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your > posting and had the engine running fine in a few > minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus > had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for > many years later. > > No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have > that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. > > George From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Nov 6 09:12:38 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 10:12:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <27D6FC3C16C54D149EC39A05B7AC9B4D@shop> Hi Jeff While cranking the engine over at a good speed rub the ignitor wire back and forth across the ignitor springs; you should see sparks. The one thing I haven't seen in the other responses is to time the ignitor to the mag. The ignitor needs to trip at the exact time when the pin drops into the detent. This is the point the mag is producing the most voltage. I don't see in your post where you had done this. But as every one else has said you probably need a magnet recharge. Good Luck Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:22 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; C. W. Jefferys Allen Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by being obvious. -- Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 6 16:33:54 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> References: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9@me.com> Hi David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear All > > I think I need some help but first some background. > > Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a > Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and > watch > it run. So after some looking around I found an auction that was only > about 300 miles away and went and bought a 1.5 hp McCormick Deering M > engine and what I thought was a 3 hp McCormick Deering M but after I > got > home I found it was another 1.5 hp. > > After some work and buying a fuel pump I had the engine sitting on > metal > table. Wait for it?... I tried to start it up. Well, it did start > and > there I am holding onto my engine so it does not fall off the table > and > break while trying to find the off switch. I guess they did not need > one > when it was new. Or more likely when it was new no one would put it > on a > table and then start it. After about five minutes of this monster > piece > of metal bouncing around the table I got it stopped. The next time I > did > have it on the ground to start it. > > But I knew I needed someone to teach me some of the basics of these > engines so went to a local tractor collector show and found out who > was > the best to learn from. Just wanting to learn how to make them work I > walked up to the gentleman and started to ask questions. I watched > as he > worked on getting some engines running, offered to help where I could, > handing holding and helping move things. I had my daughter with me and > it was fun watching but somehow I asked the wrong/right question and > he > gave me his engines. Four or five big ones and 10-15 small ones like > the > Maytag. It turns out he was retiring from his farm and moving in town > with a son on the other side of Montana and did not want to take the > engines and wanted someone to enjoy his engines. So for a number of > years I took my tractors (IHC from the 1950?s) up to the show and > would > haul out engines. I would run the M, picked up a corn sheller and a > flour mill (the engine and flour mill was used for many years in a > small > town of Wibaux) so I would have corn on the cob that people could > shell > and then make corn meal on the spot. It was good. > > I slowed down after hurting my back so have not made the show for a > while. But this fall found some auctions close by that had some hit & > miss engines. I got bit with the ?bug? again. > > I ended up buying a 1 hp Economy Gasoline Engine ?Improved Model? > sn > SN33709 - (not sure of year or model but the casting has 5-23-13). > It is > missing some things and I have found and bought a gas tank and the gas > filler tube and a cart/truck and then started to look for a > carburetor. > Did you know that many of these engines do not have carburetors but > have > fuel mixers?? Who knew? And why would a small cart be called a truck?? > > So looking and asking around I found that there might be a J type fuel > mixer for the Economy but also a Luckenheimer fuel mixer was used. I > found one dealer that had one but it was stolen off his table at a > show. > So after posting a message on Smoke-stack I was pointed to some ebay > listings. One for a 1 inch RH and one for a ? inch RH or LH (not > sure) > Luckenheimer. I measured the pipe the mixer would screw into and it > was > about 1 inch. Looked at images of RH and LH mixers but how do you know > which was correct. I won the ebay auction and waited until it showed > up > in the mail. But like lumber what you ask for and what is measured > does > not match!!!! *&^(*&%%$%%^*** > > I now have a nice 1 inch RH Lunkenheimer but need I am pretty sure a > ? > inch LH Lunkenheimer fuel mixer. > > So DOES anyone have a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer for sale or know where I > and get one??? > Anyone need a nice 1 inch?? > > Once I have the mixer then I have to figure out how to get the > spark??? > > This is not like the McCormick Deering M at all. > > I would love to get this engine running before the new year. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. While I wait I am working on a 2.25 hp > Galloway, John Deere, Whitte and a Grey. All in pieces but it is cold > here in the winter. ? > > This is a great list and I enjoy reading it every day. I am on digest > mode so will see the emails only once a day. > Later > david > > > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cwja at telus.net Sat Nov 6 16:57:06 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:57:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto Message-ID: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 6 17:10:07 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:10:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: "recharging" the magnets is the SIMPLEST "fix" you could ask for! Where are you located? There must be someone on the LIST near you who can help you out! Dave On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Jeff & Marja Allen wrote: > > Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was > hoping > for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would > have > to have the mag recharged. Jeff Allen > ____________________________________ From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Nov 6 17:21:21 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 18:21:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: <09E658A707FA468ABE0ED34AEBE798D9@shop> Hi Jeff Yes the keeper will work but it shouldn't be a problem to put the whole mag in the charger. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff & Marja Allen Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 7 05:42:26 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:42:26 EST Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Message-ID: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/6/2010 6:46:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT Calm down Dave, the election is over for a while! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 06:12:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:12:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> References: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <318FBA8F-3241-4121-94A2-B0BD6CDB7224@me.com> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/6/2010 6:46:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT > > > > Calm down Dave, the election is over for a while! > > Tom Schmutz Are you kidding me Tom? The 2012 election cycle started November 3rd at 12:01 am! Hell I've already asked for an absentee ballott in order to vote early just in case I have an accident and do not live until the next election! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 7 06:29:05 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:29:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Message-ID: <259cb.63d30825.3a0811b1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/2010 9:23:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: Hell I've already asked for an absentee ballott in order to vote early just in case I have an accident and do not live until the next election! Dave, I always knew you were one to think well in advance! Are you going to put a check mark for Sara? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 7 07:32:23 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:32:23 GMT Subject: [SEL] Fw: and another Message-ID: <20101107.103223.24240.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hi Gang, This was sent to me from a friend. 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Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Look twice, be aware ? (_o_) Asshole drivers are everywhere" ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "DJ" To: "Joe Betts" Subject: bessemer hit and miss on Craigslist Joe Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:55:26 -0400 http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/2046326742.html ____________________________________________________________ DEAL OF THE YEAR: 2010 Honda Civic for $1,734.09 SPECIAL REPORT: High ticket items are being auctioned for an incredible 90% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cd6c6eac8431cffa1st04vuc From jswords at mcn.net Sun Nov 7 10:38:12 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Dear Dave At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html I have placed images of my Economy. Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? Let me know what you think. Back to playing with my 'trucks'! later david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: > The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi > David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that > Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" > but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As > far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were > called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what > they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> > Dear All >> > >> > I think I need some help but first some background. >> > >> > Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a >> > Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >> > watch cut -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 16:20:40 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:20:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: Hi David, Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich. BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to Evansville IN. 3.) The model of your engine is CX 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 HP 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ........ Oh, never mind!) Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his book. You should buy a copy. Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > I have placed images of my Economy. > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > Let me know what you think. > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > later > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) > > On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: >> Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: >> The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi >> David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that >> Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" >> but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As >> far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were >> called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what >> they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> I think I need some help but first some background. >>>> >>>> Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working >>>> at a >>>> Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >>>> watch > cut > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 18:34:00 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:34:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> Jeff If you can't find someone locally to charge your magneto you can send it to me along with return postage and I'll be happy to charge it for you. If you take the magnets off of the magneto you must keep a keeper on the magnets until they are reinstalled on the magneto. Even if you take take the keeper off for an instant it will loose much of its charge. Keith On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeff & Marja Allen wrote: > > Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping > for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have > to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse > point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone > around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ > rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone > charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in > place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into > its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet > was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening > in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in > the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if > you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 18:36:58 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> David Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the engine until you find the one you need. Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 18:53:13 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:53:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> Hi Keith, Do you have copies of Glenn's book on the SPARTA ECONOMY? What is the cost now? $12.00/$13.00? Does that include postage? David needs one! Dave On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > David > Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do > as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the > engine until you find the one you need. > Keith > > > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com From skipl130 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 7 19:34:22 2010 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: <34564.34723.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> i have a 1 horse economy #33658. it has the lunkenhiemer & has the same casting date.? skip ________________________________ From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 5:20:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Hi David, ??? Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled? "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: ??? ??? 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. ??? ??? 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine? Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich.? BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to ??? ??? ??? Evansville IN. ??? ??? 3.) The model of your engine is CX ??? ??? 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't? take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) ??? ??? 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4,? 6, 8, and 10 HP ??? ??? 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No? changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) ??? ??? 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on? it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a? "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ??? ??? ??? ........ Oh, never mind!) ??? Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his? book. You should buy a copy. ??? ??? Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female? adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > I have placed images of my Economy. > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > Let me know what you think. > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > later > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) > > On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: >> Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed? >> To: >> The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi >> David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that >> Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" >> but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As >> far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were >> called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what >> they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> I think I need some help but first some background. >>>> >>>> Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working? >>>> at a >>>> Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >>>> watch > cut > > -- > David McDonald? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Collector of Japanese Swords and Old? > Iron > PO Box 265? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT? 59270? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243? evenings? ? ? ? ? I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword? > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub&? Super A Farmall, IH 100&? 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Nov 7 21:29:22 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4CD78AB2.50108@xplornet.com> Hello Jeff, I understand your in Alberta. The Camrose Museum has a working magneto charger that they use. They may recharge the magneto magnets for you. Rupert On 11/7/2010 7:34 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Jeff > If you can't find someone locally to charge your magneto you can send it to me along with return postage and I'll be happy to charge it for you. If you take the magnets off of the magneto you must keep a keeper on the magnets until they are reinstalled on the magneto. Even if you take take the keeper off for an instant it will loose much of its charge. > Keith > > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeff& Marja Allen wrote: > >> >> Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping >> for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have >> to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse >> point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone >> around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ >> rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone >> charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in >> place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into >> its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet >> was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening >> in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in >> the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if >> you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 21:35:31 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:35:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> Message-ID: <5CD8AC9B-F386-4CD9-B633-70E00DB9171E@herculesengines.com> Yes Dave, I have copies of both the Sparta book and the Hercules book. $12.00 each postage paid. Keith On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:53 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Keith, Do you have copies of Glenn's book on the SPARTA ECONOMY? > What is the cost now? $12.00/$13.00? Does that include postage? David > needs one! > Dave > > On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > >> David >> Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do >> as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the >> engine until you find the one you need. >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> Keith Kinney >> kkinney at herculesengines.com >> WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 8 07:53:24 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:53:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) Jeff was the one posting the question about the engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E George: I'm sorry if I treated you like a newbie. I didn't know that you were familiar with flywheel engines. Good luck and let us know when you get it running. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I > was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John > Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and > the owner of the engine had been trying to run this > ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had > bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model > T Ford coil. > > Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it > to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine > which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil > they had been using to no avail. > > Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had > laying around as I had no low tension coils, and > hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your > posting and had the engine running fine in a few > minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus > had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for > many years later. > > No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have > that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Nov 8 08:25:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:25:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > > Jeff was the one posting the question about the > engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 8 08:55:45 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:55:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, Here's your apology. Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest mistake! ;-) George Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E George: I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > > Jeff was the one posting the question about the > engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 10:36:35 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:36:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Good idea George--let's get the List back to engines and stop this political stuff. This List is NO PLACE it! Dave PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > Elden, > > Here's your apology. > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > mistake! ;-) > > George > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > ] On Behalf Of Elden > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > George: > > I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > > I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >> George >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >> >> >> Elden, >> >> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) >> >> Jeff was the one posting the question about the >> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of >> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. >> >> George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Nov 8 10:42:55 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: Nuf sed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Here's your apology. > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which > is an honest mistake! ;-) > > George > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 8 16:48:35 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:48:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > Dave >PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? > >On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > > > Elden, > > > > Here's your apology. > > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > > mistake! ;-) > > > > George > > > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > ] On Behalf Of Elden > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > > George: > > > > I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > > DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > > > > I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Best, > >> George > >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >> > >> > >> Elden, > >> > >> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > >> > >> Jeff was the one posting the question about the > >> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > >> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > >> > >> George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > > and any attachments from your system. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 17:20:44 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> Back off partner. I changed the e-mail from "all" to "most" because of you and your friendship! Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > >> Dave >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> Elden, >>> >>> Here's your apology. >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>> mistake! ;-) >>> >>> George >>> >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> ] On Behalf Of Elden >>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >>> >>> George: >>> >>> I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a >>> DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! >>> >>> I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Best, >>>> George >>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >>>> >>>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) >>>> >>>> Jeff was the one posting the question about the >>>> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of >>>> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. >>>> >>>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >>> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >>> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >>> error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >>> and any attachments from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Nov 8 17:24:27 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:24:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T Mark Shulaw wrote: > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > > >> Dave >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >> >>> Elden, >>> >>> Here's your apology. >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>> mistake! ;-) >>> >>> George >>> >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Nov 8 17:42:30 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:42:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of them. and I aint no democrat. Them's fighting words use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop using that oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER Broker Associate # 615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, & Equi-trak certified. GRI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Tallman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >> >> >> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >> >> >>> Dave >>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> Here's your apology. >>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>>> mistake! ;-) >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 8 17:43:38 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> Message-ID: <20101109014336.0ED699381@smtp.wcoil.com> ROTFLMAO Yes I so note now. GRINNNN Mark At 08:20 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Back off partner. I changed the e-mail from "all" to "most" because of >you and your friendship! > Dave > >On Nov 8, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > > > >> Dave > >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? > >> > >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> > >>> Elden, > >>> > >>> Here's your apology. > >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > >>> mistake! ;-) > >>> > >>> George > >>> > >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> ] On Behalf Of Elden > >>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > >>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >>> > >>> George: > >>> > >>> I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > >>> DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > >>> > >>> I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > >>> > >>> Take care - Elden > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >>>> Behalf Of Best, > >>>> George > >>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Elden, > >>>> > >>>> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Jeff was the one posting the question about the > >>>> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > >>>> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > >>>> > >>>> George > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > >>> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > >>> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > >>> error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > >>> and any attachments from your system. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 18:08:24 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:08:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <0A8EF857-3B1F-4074-A4D3-51B23CCAA4AD@me.com> I'm not sure Doug. I have trouble throwing the SILLY LITTLE THINGS 20 paces anymore! Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote: > I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >> >> >> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >> >> >>> Dave >>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> Here's your apology. >>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>>> mistake! ;-) >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 18:09:25 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:09:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> Message-ID: <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> Hi Roger, And your point is???????? Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of > them. and > I aint no democrat. > Them's fighting words > > use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop > using that > oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going > > Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office > R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd > Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER > Broker Associate # 615513 > 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax > REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, > & Equi-trak certified. GRI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Tallman" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > >> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! >> Doug T >> >> >> Mark Shulaw wrote: >>> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >>> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >>> >>> >>> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dave >>>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Elden, >>>>> >>>>> Here's your apology. >>>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an >>>>> honest >>>>> mistake! ;-) >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Nov 8 18:19:02 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:19:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com><4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com><8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> Message-ID: <3BD8401160DC4964834A48FCB18F2EED@RogerDiRusciPC> You can't handle the point. and should not be given anything sharp. Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER Broker Associate # 615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, & Equi-trak certified. GRI ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag stomping > Hi Roger, And your point is???????? > Dave > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > >> Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of >> them. and >> I aint no democrat. >> Them's fighting words >> >> use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop >> using that >> oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going >> >> Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office >> R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd >> Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER >> Broker Associate # 615513 >> 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax >> REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, >> & Equi-trak certified. GRI >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Tallman" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >> >> >>> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! >>> Doug T >>> >>> >>> Mark Shulaw wrote: >>>> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >>>> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Elden, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's your apology. >>>>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an >>>>>> honest >>>>>> mistake! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> George >>>>>> >>>>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jswords at mcn.net Mon Nov 8 18:22:26 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:22:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Dear Dave, Keith and all I went back to the auction bill and there was no mention about the engines were used or new. So I ended up paying about 6 times the new price. Darn! Next time I will ask more questions before I buy. :) Good news - A number of collectors have contacted me about the fuel mixer and in the end a great fellow from Oregon had some extra 3/4 inch Lunks and he traded me for my 1 inch. Turns out he collects Stovers and I had (not sure where I picked it up) a Stover brass tag for a 18 hp. Thought he might find a use and told him I would send it with the 1" Lunk - he did not have a 18 hp but had a friend that did, so the tag will get a home. :) He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Looks like I will have the gas taken care of soon. Now to start working on the electrical. No problem getting a small 12 volt gel battery, looking now at coils. Might be fun to make one. Then to make a nice battery box. Has anyone seen an very good image of the labels on the old battery boxes?? I will send a private email to Keith to get the books. Sounds like good information. Thanks for the suggestion. I sure enjoy reading the emails from this list - even when they are about engines! :) Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? later and thanks again for all the help david Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:20:40 -0500 From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi David, Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich. BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to Evansville IN. 3.) The model of your engine is CX 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 HP 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ........ Oh, never mind!) Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his book. You should buy a copy. Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Dear Dave > > > > Athttp://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > I have placed images of my Economy. > > > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > > > later > > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 19:18:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:18:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Good Job....I don't believe you need a checkvalve as the Lunk's "flutter valve" will act as a check and shut the fuel off when it's seated. Does it hurt..prolly not. Good Luck..sorry for the html gang. RickinMt. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 20:15:27 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:15:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: Actually that is a check VALVE. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Good Job....I don't believe you need a checkvalve as the Lunk's "flutter valve" will act as a check and shut the fuel off when it's seated. Does it hurt..prolly not. Good Luck..sorry for the html gang. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 9 09:45:24 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:45:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E/Duelling maytags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101109194300.00df2fb0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 09/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:48:35 -0500 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > >Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. Hi Mark, You had better be careful - don't forget that Dave's Maytag has an ax attached :-) Jerry From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 9 10:07:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: <52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD@me.com> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! You can see most of my collection at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It warms my heart to see what they can do! Dave PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the progress on your Economy! On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? > later and thanks again for all the help > david From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 15:50:27 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD@me.com> Message-ID: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Put on your hip waders and grab a big shovel before you open that link. ? Alan --- On Tue, 11/9/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:07 PM You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years? now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last!? You can see most of my collection at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm? particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It? warms my heart to see what they can do! ??? Dave PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the? progress on your Economy! On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? > later and thanks again for all the help > david _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 9 16:57:43 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHOOOOOO! Alan, are you casting aspersions on my sincerity? Dave PS, I am hurt! On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Alan wrote: > Put on your hip waders and grab a big shovel before you open that > link. > > Alan > > --- On Tue, 11/9/10, David Rotigel wrote: > > > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:07 PM > > > You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years > now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! > You can see most of my collection at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm > particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It > warms my heart to see what they can do! > Dave > PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the > progress on your Economy! > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> >> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >> later and thanks again for all the help >> david > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 10 06:01:04 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Deer In for a Drink Message-ID: <20101110140022.86904933E@smtp.wcoil.com> Check out Blufftons famous citizen of the week, there are other videos if you go looking for them. Mark http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2010/11/deer-goes-berserk-in-ohio-bar-as-surveillance-cameras-roll.html Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jswords at mcn.net Thu Nov 11 20:56:04 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:56:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Dear Dave I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. Was it something like the images on the second row? http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html later david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years > now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! > You can see most of my collection at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm > particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It > warms my heart to see what they can do! > Dave > PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the > progress on your Economy! > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >> later and thanks again for all the help >> david > -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Nov 11 21:28:19 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: For Dave firing up a Maytag does involve a length of cannon fuse Roger DiRuscio, Broker, RDC-PRO, GRI. Equi-Trax, Resnet AMP & Equator Certified REO,BPO R.E. Realty Experts fax 510-623-6979 41051 Mission Blvd. Alameda County. Fremont, Ca 94539 DRE #615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-226-2444 Office Ham radio KG6QKZ CERT volunteer Sales since 1977. NABPOP Member, VREP ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMcDonald" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 >> From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years >> now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! >> You can see most of my collection at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm >> particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It >> warms my heart to see what they can do! >> Dave >> PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the >> progress on your Economy! >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >>> later and thanks again for all the help >>> david >> > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 12 07:03:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:03:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Maytag In-Reply-To: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: <2898ff797178a72b7ebb6f693f5c31a1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> David, I think this is what Dave was referring to when he mentioned "firing" a Maytag. http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/fire.jpg Although, I do love YOUR approach!! 8-)) BTW, it seems like some of those photo links are broken? See ya, Arnie On Thu, November 11, 2010 11:56 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 12:21:17 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:21:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: Hi David, Your creativity is exceeded ONLY by your love of black powder! Dave PS, Would you mind if I added those to my MAYTAG FUN page? PPS, About the only good thing about a MAYTAG is that they seem to "run" exactly the same after something like this as they did before! On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 >> From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years >> now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! >> You can see most of my collection at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm >> particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It >> warms my heart to see what they can do! >> Dave >> PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on >> the >> progress on your Economy! >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >>> later and thanks again for all the help >>> david >> > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 16:57:55 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:57:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very Interesting that Ken has not raised his head on all this. If I had killed someone, raped someone, attempted to take drugs across the border, or failed to pay a parking ticket I sure as hell would have owned up to it and told my friends--VERY FUNNY! Dave On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote: > It would be my feeling that Ken forgot to pay some driving tickets > as we > all know what he drove around in. I have a friend that was band from > Canada > for 5 years this year as he had a DWI 3 years ago. If the USA has > to worry > about Ken Meeks being a threat to my country were in deep shit. > KK > > > In a message dated 10/28/2010 12:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jdohagan at comcast.net writes: > > YOU BETCHA! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors > + Hitand > Miss Engines > > Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything? > Dave > > On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > >> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + >> Hitand >> Miss Engines >> >> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you >> anything >> about the 5 year ban and why he got it? I've had no problem getting >> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked >> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else >> found anything? >> Dave >> >> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> >>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM >>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and >>> Miss >>> Engines >>> >>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM >>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss >>> Engines >>> >>> >>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts >>>> >>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". >>>> Put your >>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >>>> >>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584 >>>> >>>> Notice from Enginads: >>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit >>>> money >>>> orders! >>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking >>>> price. >>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or >>>> their >>>> shipper. >>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you >>>> are >>>> responsible! >>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers >>>> to >>>> report abuse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 17:16:49 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:16:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc> References: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F> <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com> <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc> Message-ID: <6058F52E-DE8A-478A-9C72-A9C5CACC4967@me.com> Don't hold your breath Reg. Kenny IS NOT talking! How can you be sure that the "error" was not intended? Unless you mean that getting caught was not intended! Dave On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Forgetting the bullshit side, most of us would like to see the facts > of what > occurred, if only to be aware of it all. > I am sure the 'error' was not intended, knowing most engine folk are > FAR > superior to Pollies. > (if you want pollie shit, see what this lot here are trying to work > on us re > their 'energy plan' etc.) > Enough! The blood pressure is rising!! > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + > Hitand > Miss Engines > > >> Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything? >> Dave >> >> On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> >>> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + >>> Hitand >>> Miss Engines >>> >>> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you >>> anything >>> about the 5 year ban and why he got it? I've had no problem getting >>> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked >>> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else >>> found anything? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >>> >>>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM >>>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net >>>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and >>>> Miss >>>> Engines >>>> >>>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM >>>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss >>>> Engines >>>> >>>> >>>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts >>>>> >>>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". >>>>> Put your >>>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >>>>> >>>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584 >>>>> >>>>> Notice from Enginads: >>>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit >>>>> money >>>>> orders! >>>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking >>>>> price. >>>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or >>>>> their >>>>> shipper. >>>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you >>>>> are >>>>> responsible! >>>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers >>>>> to >>>>> report abuse. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 12 17:22:28 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:22:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:57 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I killed someone, raped someone, attempted to take drugs > across the border, failed to pay a parking ticket, and I sure as hell > owned up to it Did you own up to it to get a more lenient sentence? From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 13 05:20:18 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> References: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1DF5DDA4-DCDA-4398-8D6E-A48407277CA5@me.com> Yes! On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Did you own up to it to get a more lenient sentence? > From jswords at mcn.net Sat Nov 13 11:10:08 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:10:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 hp --- to Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> Dear Dave Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. We might start a fad. Maytag launching! later david > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:21:17 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi David, Your creativity is exceeded ONLY by your love of black powder! > Dave > PS, Would you mind if I added those to my MAYTAG FUN page? > PPS, About the only good thing about a MAYTAG is that they seem to > "run" exactly the same after something like this as they did before! > > On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > >> Dear Dave >> >> I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. >> Was it something like the images on the second row? >> >> http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html >> >> later >> david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) >> -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 14 08:38:03 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:38:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> Message-ID: <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi David, For a number of years we've discussed having a "Maytag Launching" at Portland. Catapults & Trebuchets were the main launchers considered. The venue was to be the area where they do the plowing demonstrations. One day fer sure... See ya, Arnie On Sat, November 13, 2010 2:10 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > > Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. > We might start a fad. Maytag launching! From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 14 08:53:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:53:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] So you think you can ride a Motorcycle? References: <359475.46852.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37A04B52-4AFF-45A4-A15B-D6B4559BE716@me.com> If you look carefully in the mirror I think you will all see that the guy on the bike looks a hell of a lot like Reg. Wasn't he there several years ago for several engine shows? Dave > > So you think you can ride a Motorcycle? > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/27/video-moscow-motorcyclists-crazy-high-speed-commute/#continued > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Nov 14 09:30:00 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:30:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark At 11:38 AM 11/14/2010, you wrote: >Hi David, > >For a number of years we've discussed having a "Maytag Launching" at >Portland. >Catapults & Trebuchets were the main launchers considered. The >venue was to be the >area where they do the plowing demonstrations. > >One day fer sure... > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, November 13, 2010 2:10 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > > > > Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. > > We might start a fad. Maytag launching! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 14 10:23:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: heh-heh-heh http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx On Sun, November 14, 2010 12:30 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet > using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You > could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Nov 14 10:49:47 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:49:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4CE02F4B.7020202@accnorwalk.com> Hard to believe that was 92! Seems like yesterday. Reading that story brought back a lot of old time memories of the hobby. There's been a LOT of water under the bridge since that was written!! Doug T Arnie Fero wrote: > heh-heh-heh > > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx > > On Sun, November 14, 2010 12:30 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >> We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet >> using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You >> could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark >> > > > > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 23:17:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: We managed to get the sideshaft flywheel off my 1909 Austral on the weekend. The keyway on the flywheel has had a hard life and will need a little work: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct2.jpg While the crankshaft itself is not bad: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct4.jpg The engine is now stored with its younger sibling (1917 3.5hp portable) until I have the parts & free time to finish it: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct1.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 15 05:05:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:05:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: The keyway on the flywheel has had a hard life and will need a little work: Patrick, The shaft keyway sure has had some hard knocks in life. What is the plan to repair it? I am sure there are a number of options that other folks have used over they years when rebuilding an engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 15 09:14:14 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Hello Group, My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture at He would like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. Any help appreciated. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From pcgray at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 15 12:58:13 2010 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:58:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag launching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> Arnie- Around here in "Slower Delaware" we have Punkin Chunkin.... maybe a midwestern venue for an alternate projectile would be in order to help our chuckers prep in the off-season.. http://www.punkinchunkin.com/main.htm Paul Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:23:35 -0500 From: "Arnie Fero" Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Launching To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 heh-heh-heh http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 15 13:54:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag launching In-Reply-To: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> References: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <664a05a978b4b4b65397296c2d120e7e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Paul, Ever since I first heard about Punkin' Chunkin' I've wanted to go. And each year, come chunkin' time I've been out of vacation! One day fer sure!! Sounds like a hoot! See ya, Arnie On Mon, November 15, 2010 3:58 pm, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote: > > Around here in "Slower Delaware" we have Punkin Chunkin.... maybe a > midwestern venue for an alternate projectile would be in order to help > our chuckers prep in the off-season.. > http://www.punkinchunkin.com/main.htm From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Nov 15 15:24:34 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net>,<4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; Whats the make of the crane ? Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > > Hello Group, > My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > at He would > like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > Any help appreciated. > > Rupert > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 15 17:16:03 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:16:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net>, <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CE1DB53.5000009@xplornet.com> I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far but we haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about 25 miles away. Rupert On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > Whats the make of the crane ? > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted >> >> Hello Group, >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture >> at He would >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Rupert >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Nov 15 18:50:57 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:50:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CE1DB53.5000009@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101115214420.03a8ec70@ncweb.com> Cab styling is almost like B-E, but not as blended. What you can see thru the cab front looks B-E. About a 15-B or a slightly larger older mode. 20-B or so. However, I suspect it's something else. KOSH At 08:16 PM 11/15/2010, you wrote: > I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far > but we >haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. >Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to >get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free >up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather >is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about >25 miles away. > >Rupert > >On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > Whats the make of the crane ? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > >> > >> Hello Group, > >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > >> at He would > >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > >> Any help appreciated. > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- > >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Nov 15 18:52:23 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted video Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101115215142.037c3250@ncweb.com> Here is a B-e 15-B for comparison... http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/45/to12poYOc1E Cab styling is almost like B-E, but not as blended. What you can see thru the cab front looks B-E. About a 15-B or a slightly larger older mode. 20-B or so. However, I suspect it's something else. KOSH At 08:16 PM 11/15/2010, you wrote: > I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far > but we >haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. >Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to >get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free >up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather >is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about >25 miles away. > >Rupert > >On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > Whats the make of the crane ? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > >> > >> Hello Group, > >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > >> at He would > >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > >> Any help appreciated. > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- > >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 16 07:39:26 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:39:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Nov 16 08:18:41 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:18:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> Hi George, The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long periods of time. As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe across a damp sponge. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: [SEL] American Beauty Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? George From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Nov 16 09:35:01 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:35:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> Message-ID: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark At 11:18 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Hi George, > >The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and >then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically >controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes >the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle >around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should >be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long >periods of time. > >As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe >across a damp sponge. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM >Subject: [SEL] American Beauty > > >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an >American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately >it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, >it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty >soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new >replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 >copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip >won't last as long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? >Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a >tip? > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 16 10:04:56 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:04:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D4BFC@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Mark, You must have the "George" filter turned on to delete my postings ;-) Jim, According to American Beauty my soldering iron should heat up to 1000f. Don't know when I'll ever get around to it, but thought a heavy duty iron like this might be handy if I wanted to solder up some gas tanks for a few of my engines. In an earlier time and hobby stage I did a lot of stained glass window work. Have windows and lamps in several houses and also taught glass classes in the 70's for a few years. So I've worn out a fair number of sponges cleaning tips. Haven't cut any glass in over 20 years now. Although I've still got a fair amount of glass and lead stuffed away in the barn. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] American Beauty Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark At 11:18 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Hi George, > >The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and >then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically >controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes >the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle >around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should >be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long >periods of time. > >As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe >across a damp sponge. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM >Subject: [SEL] American Beauty > > >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an >American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately >it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, >it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty >soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new >replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 >copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip >won't last as long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? >Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a >tip? > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 16 10:18:28 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <95fcd7da29b1289c0054e736c05c9f03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Are you using a Mac (instead of a real computer)? 8-)) On Tue, November 16, 2010 12:35 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original > note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 10:15:09 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:15:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 16 November 2010 15:39, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. ?Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. ?You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. ?I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. ?I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. > > Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? ?Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > > George We have some thermostatically controlled irons, 150W and 200W, but the most useful one is the old-fashioned solid copper bit type that we bought for $3 in a surplus store in Phoenix AZ. Yes it needs a gas toprch to heat it up, but is has a far bigger heat reserve than the electrical ones. As far as copper bits go, almost any copper grade would do, but bear in mind that you will always get tip erosion from the solder, which is why modern ones are plated. Had to get up on our flat roof the other day to plug some holes in the lead sheeting left by the builders, the electrical irons worked OK as it was only 1.8mm (0.071") thick lead. Had it been much thicker then the solid copper iron would have been called into play. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Nov 16 12:20:29 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (DAVID OTTO) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:20:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George You might check with Lauren; I think he used to have some complete irons. Maybe he has some tips as well Dave On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w > soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I > plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American > Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for > the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a > piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper > tip won't last as long, but should still work. > > Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any > comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 16 16:46:22 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:46:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4CE325DE.4070402@xplornet.com> I have a 200W and a 300W electric soldering iron. The tip in them is a plain copper rod held in place with a set screw. The outer end on one is tapered like a chisel point. The other one has a diamond shape tip. The tips are tinned with solder. Works real well for soldering large objects such as tanks. Make sure the tips fit loose in the element if you make them to make room for the oxides that form. Otherwise, the tips will be difficult to remove later should the need arise. Rupert On 11/16/2010 1:20 PM, DAVID OTTO wrote: > Hi George > > You might check with Lauren; I think he used to have some complete irons. > Maybe he has some tips as well > > Dave > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w >> soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I >> plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American >> Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for >> the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a >> piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper >> tip won't last as long, but should still work. >> >> Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any >> comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? >> >> George >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail >> and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 16 19:00:23 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:00:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> I hope to get to the drag line this week end. Do you or anyone else know where I'm likely to find a name plate for the crane? All that is left of the engine plate on the bell housing is the four corners as can be seen in the picture so that one isn't much help. Thanks so much. Rupert On 11/16/2010 3:46 PM, Larry Goss wrote: >> From what I know of the company (I updated all their IPL's in the mid-70's) B-E never made their own engines. Those were purchased items from everyone under the sun. > > We were working with original drawings that dated from 1935 on some of the product lines. At one time, I had a complete set of aperture cards that contained every drawing for their 20-ton drag line. Unfortunately, I got tired of "carrying it around" so I could use it as a demo for my students of what such body of documents looked like -- around 3500 computer cards. I finally pitched it in the trash. > > Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charlie hill > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 16:08 > Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > >> Dave, I took the pictures to my friend and he says it is a >> Bucyrus. He >> says smaller than a 15B maybe a 11 or 12 but he couldn't recall >> the numbers. >> We have another friend that would know right off the top of his >> head but >> it's hard to get up with him sometimes.. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dave Merchant" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:10 PM >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted >> >>> Bantam is what came to me too. >>> >>> I hope to eventually get a machine to keep at Brownsville. >>> >>> Dave Merchant >>> >>> >>> At 07:36 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Almost looks like a Bantam, They used a lot of Buda engines. >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Mattias Kess?n >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >> >>>> Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 11:59:41 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted >>>> >>>> I have no clue but what a cool rig. I would love to see that >> one working. >>>> >>>> Mattias >>>> >>>> 2010/11/15 Rupert >>>> >>>>> Hello Group, >>>>> My son-in-law >> acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a >>>>> picture >>>>> at >> He >>>>> would >>>>> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. >>>>> Also, he is >> looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is >>>>> missing. >>>>> Any help appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Rupert >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> yvt >>>>> >>>>> Rupert Wenig >>>>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >>>>> >>>>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>>> >>>>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >>> Dave Merchant >>> kosh at nesys.com >>> dmerchant at layerzero.com >>> >>> http://www.nesys.com >>> http://www.nesys.org >>> YouTube: SteamCrane >>> >>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps >>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) >>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." >>> - Prof. Phil Jones >>> - Director, >> Climatic Research Unit >>> - School of >> Environmental Sciences >>> - University >> of East Anglia >>> - Norwich, UK >>> - To: Michael >> Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Nov 16 23:11:30 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101117020956.0c731070@ncweb.com> On most cranes, the builders + data plates are on the partition between the operator + drums. However, this machine doesn't have the partition going down far enough. Possibly on the lower plate in front of the operator, or on the draw works frame, maybe on the off side. On most cranes, the name is also cast into the counterweight. Although superficially B-E shaped, everything is wrong for that. Sloped plate on the off side is too low for B-E. I'm convinced it's a Schield Bantam. which were very good machines. Sold out to Koehring in 1963. http://www.schieldbantam.org/ This PDF has some good pix that confirm the id. Note the extremely compact draw works. http://web.augsburg.edu/~schield/SchieldFamily/SchieldB.pdf Dave Merchant Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Nov 17 08:38:29 2010 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:38:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> Hi George, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:39:26 AM, you wrote: BG> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American BG> Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing BG> the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You BG> can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement BG> tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 BG> plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 BG> copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't BG> last as long, but should still work. BG> Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also BG> any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? BG> George BG> SEL mailing list BG> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com BG> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel When I was taking my first Radio-Electronics classes at a trade school the instructor suggested (insisted) that we get an American Beauty 100 watt iron to use. He then instructed us how to maintain the tip, which was not plated in those days, about 50 years ago. When the tip needed work, he had us remove the tip and beat the tip to the proper shape with a hammer on a iron block (anvil), then file it smooth. As the tip was heating up we would re-tin it with solder as soon as it would melt the solder. I still have the iron & it still works. -- Thanks, William Olson, Rosevelt, MN mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus From George_Best at adp.com Wed Nov 17 09:21:35 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:21:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A187063@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> William, When I did stained glass years ago I used a sal-ammoniac block to keep my soldering tips well tinned. When the 1" copper rod I ordered arrives, I'll machine it to the specs listed on the American Beauty website. http://www.americanbeautytools.com/site/models/st/76 Thought it was pretty nice that they provide a drawing of the tip with all the measurements! I'll have to look through my old stuff and see if I still have my sal-ammoniac block, but if not you can still buy them and I should have one if I think I might start doing much soldering. Would like to learn how to make my own gas tanks. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Olson Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] American Beauty Hi George, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:39:26 AM, you wrote: When I was taking my first Radio-Electronics classes at a trade school the instructor suggested (insisted) that we get an American Beauty 100 watt iron to use. He then instructed us how to maintain the tip, which was not plated in those days, about 50 years ago. When the tip needed work, he had us remove the tip and beat the tip to the proper shape with a hammer on a iron block (anvil), then file it smooth. As the tip was heating up we would re-tin it with solder as soon as it would melt the solder. I still have the iron & it still works. -- Thanks, William Olson, Rosevelt, MN mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 17 09:52:27 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:52:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Has anyone dealt with Jacks Small Engines - what are they like ?? I'm having a bit of a problem placing an order with them for a few Briggs parts. Are they normally good to deal with or difficult? Or maybe I'm just having a problem because I'm from Africa (and they do not know where that is) :-( Don't suggest their online store to me as that's where the problem began !! As with many businesses in the USA they use UPS (but also offer USPS) and do not deliver to P.O.Box numbers. In Africa things are different and the only delivery option I have is to a box number. There is NO Street postal delivery available in my area - we all use P.O.Box No's. (I've "got through to their skulls" on that part and they agree to send by USPS (where a P.O.Box No. is acceptable).) When I try their online store I can only get as far as the address part and it will not accept the P.O.Box No. They also offer a "print out and mail in form" but when I e-mail this to them it seems to confuse them (how can a "mail in" form come by e-mail ????) and I get an e-mail back from them saying I must use their online store or Toll Free telephone number - no amount of explaining the problem to them seems to be "sinking in" to the woman I'm dealing with. She also does not understand that the "Toll Free No." is only toll free in the USA and an international call to it would cost more than the parts I need. I have written long explanations but she seems not to read them or understand them (I think my English is quite understandable !!) Alternatively can anyone suggest a better supplier for Briggs parts (piston rings, gaskets, carb kit etc.). I also looked at Tulsa Warehouse but they only ship to the continental USA. Many thanks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 17 09:56:32 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:56:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi George, Your original email finally came through to me. !! YAHHHH These old electric coppers are really nice to use. I have two or three of the 300 W AB irons. As well as numerous smaller ones. I have one of their 550 Watt monsters. What a beauty to solder tank seams with or solder large electrical connections. I see no reason why you could not make your own tip and use it. It might erode faster then the modern tips but it can't be any worse then the original tip that likely was solid copper on the one you have. I know a fellow who used to rep a brand of Solder coppers years ago and I know he still has some parts. I do not remember if it was American Beauty or not. Will check and let you know if he has what you need. Mark At 10:39 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American >Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the >tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can >still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, >but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper >rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as >long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any >comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 17 10:21:18 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:21:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01cb8684$3ac53980$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Jerry: Send me your needs oof list and I will try to get it for you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: "SEL List" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines > Hi Guys, > Has anyone dealt with Jacks Small Engines - what are they like ?? > > I'm having a bit of a problem placing an order with them for a few > Briggs parts. Are they normally good to deal with or difficult? Or maybe > I'm just having a problem because I'm from Africa (and they do not know > where that is) :-( > > Don't suggest their online store to me as that's where the problem > began !! As with many businesses in the USA they use UPS (but also offer > USPS) and do not deliver to P.O.Box numbers. In Africa things are > different > and the only delivery option I have is to a box number. There is NO Street > postal delivery available in my area - we all use P.O.Box No's. > (I've "got through to their skulls" on that part and they agree > to send by USPS (where a P.O.Box No. is acceptable).) > > When I try their online store I can only get as far as the address > part and it will not accept the P.O.Box No. > > They also offer a "print out and mail in form" but when I e-mail > this to them it seems to confuse them (how can a "mail in" form come by > e-mail ????) and I get an e-mail back from them saying I must use their > online store or Toll Free telephone number - no amount of explaining the > problem to them seems to be "sinking in" to the woman I'm dealing with. > She > also does not understand that the "Toll Free No." is only toll free in the > USA and an international call to it would cost more than the parts I need. > > I have written long explanations but she seems not to read them or > understand them (I think my English is quite understandable !!) > > Alternatively can anyone suggest a better supplier for Briggs > parts (piston rings, gaskets, carb kit etc.). I also looked at Tulsa > Warehouse but they only ship to the continental USA. > > Many thanks. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 13:58:21 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:58:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? Message-ID: Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 Does anyone know this guy? Dave From langer5 at xplornet.ca Wed Nov 17 14:34:41 2010 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:34:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> Must be the latest get rich quick scheme. There is not much information given about this guy. I think this is a case of buyer beware. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] ???????? Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 Does anyone know this guy? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 15:56:47 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Send them all to me. I will charge them for only $49.97. Alan --- On Wed, 11/17/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: [SEL] ???????? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:58 PM Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 ???Does anyone know this guy? ??? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 17:08:46 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Get in on the discussion at http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=580629&posted=1#post580629 Alan. It may get INTERESTING and, who knows, you may make some money! Dave PS, Did you know that if the magnets are not charged the mag will not work? On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Alan wrote: > Send them all to me. > I will charge them for only $49.97. > Alan > > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, David Rotigel wrote: > > > From: David Rotigel > Subject: [SEL] ???????? > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:58 PM > > > Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 > Does anyone know this guy? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 17:13:59 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> References: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> Message-ID: <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> Ted used to get a BIG KICK out of charging someone's magnets and getting their engine running. Mark charges nothing at a show, nor does Bill. Perhaps we are entering into a new world--See: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=580629&posted=1#post580629 Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Larry Anger wrote: > Must be the latest get rich quick scheme. There is not much > information > given about this guy. I think this is a case of buyer beware. > > Larry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:58 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ???????? > > Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 > Does anyone know this guy? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 17:37:09 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:37:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover Message-ID: Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 18:09:10 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> Contact Joe Maurer at toadhill at aeroinc.net Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a > vertical > Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in > advance, > Jimmy, Novato, Ca. From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 18:33:17 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:33:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> References: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Contact Joe Maurer at toadhill at aeroinc.net Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a > vertical > Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in > advance, > Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 17 18:37:27 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:37:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> References: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> Message-ID: On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:13 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Ted used to get a BIG KICK out of charging someone's magnets and > getting their engine running. Mark charges nothing at a show, nor does > Bill. Perhaps we are entering into a new world Hey, Dave. It seems kind of half-assed, if you ask me. It's like a shoe salesman who only sells shoes for left feet. More than likely, a twitchy magneto is going to need more than a magnet charging. Everyone assumes that if a mag doesn't spark, you just lay some gauss on it and everything will be fine. That ain't the case. If the bloke can't do it all, he might as well not bother getting started in the first place and relieving some poor sap of his cash. I've "charged" the occasional magneto for friends, and quite often ended up doing a LOT of extra work. For a while, I was refurbishing and peddling magnetos to strangers. Sometimes customers couldn't make their engines run, so it was a problem with the mag, of course. That results in troubleshooting an engine over the phone, and a lot of wasted time. Doing quality work, packaging, shipping, and customer relations take a LOT of time. So if you ask me, paying to JUST get your magnets charged is grasping at straws, and expecting to get any sort of workmanship for a mere fifty dollars is equally optimistic. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 18 01:13:46 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines/update In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101118105318.00dfada0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies both on and "off list" - I have replied to each "off list" separately but do seem to have not received all the responses so if you did not get a reply then I apologise. Arnie mentioned one from Mike - which I never got and Mike (as with most other list members) is "whitelisted" in my server rules so I do not know what happened to his reply (but it may have been to the SEL and I only get the SEL digest version which is due in about 8 hours time). As a matter of fact, I never even got my original post back (from Oldengine list). I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the list server or something on our side. The replies just served to strengthen my belief that you are all such a great bunch of people and many offered to get the parts for me and post them on to me. Thank you all, I do appreciate that. What I have done for now is I've attempted to "fool the system". We have 11 official languages in South Africa so I went back to Jacks Online Store and placed the order. When I came to the address part I entered this in Afrikaans (one of our languages) which bears no resemblance to a P.O.Box Number in English and the order was accepted and confirmed. Time will tell but I'm sure it will work. Once again, thanks to all. Jerry At 09:10 PM 17/11/2010, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!! Welcome to the world of "Hire the Handicapped." >FWIW, we all have to deal with idiots like this one, and they seem to be >getting >more common. Good luck. > >BTW, two other things to possibly try. FAX in the order or snail mail it? >Although given the level of idiot you seem to be dealing with, I'd not >predict success. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - I think Mike Royster's offer is your best shot. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Nov 18 08:05:21 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:05:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> 1914 is the year, but Joe Maurer will need to look up the actual shipping date for you. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:37 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Stover Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Nov 18 08:39:44 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:39:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <15BF5B991BF442CF877F9BA84FA1EBF4@VALUED3253602F> Thanks George, I contacted Joe and he is working on it. I guess Chas passed the records on to him. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover 1914 is the year, but Joe Maurer will need to look up the actual shipping date for you. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:37 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Stover Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Nov 18 19:17:59 2010 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:17:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Info for Jimmy O'Hagan Message-ID: <39FD45A3FB304DB395FE187C5DA04C3A@toadhill> Jimmy, Just got your email but did go to the museum today. Your Stover engine #61495 is listed in the records as a type YC 6hp. vertical shipped to C.H. Ward, Felton, California on March 28, 1914. I'll send you a regular email also. Best Regards, Joe From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 00:05:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:05:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 16 November 2010 15:39, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. A lot of the resins and chemical fluxes are now banned in the UK on 'Health & Safety' grounds, so we have stockpiled a selection of them for our use at the factory, where we make up 50mm and 35mm sq cables and connectors for our chargers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 19 07:54:37 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:54:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes Message-ID: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya, Arnie From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 08:32:34 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Arnie, There was talk about it on the Practical Machinist board several years ago and "those in the know" said it works well. I Have been able to avoid buying anything like that by making friends with a guy with a wire edm and a sinker edm. I don't ask him to do it very often, but when I walk into his shop with a piece in one hand and a case of Leinenkugel's in the other, he knows what I am up to......... Cool video, you can learn a lot on Youtube. I am interested in improving my sheet metal fabrication skills and have been studying up on metal spinning. I am going to stock up on Band-aids and give it a try. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 11/19/10, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes To: "Old Engine List" , "Stationary Engine List" Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:54 AM Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it.? What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work?? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya,? Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 19 08:33:56 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:33:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4CE6A6F4.70002@xplornet.com> Arnie, I have never owned one but apparently Watts Brothers Tool Works in PA. still make square hole drills. I couldn't find a web site for hem. Why not just make one? A Reuleaux triangle shouldn't be that hard to make. (grin) Rupert On 11/19/2010 8:54 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Folks, > > I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. > I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? > > Has anyone here tried one of these? > How well does it work? Where would one buy one? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw > > See ya, Arnie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 19 09:33:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:33:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36c6cbb7d6621a8a3d24e863530a4e36.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Joe, Man, having a bud with EDM gear is awesome! I wonder what he would do for you if you brought him real beer instead of Leinie's? 8-)) Please post your experiences with metal spinning as you get into it. Some guys did that in high school metal shop and it looked really neat. I've planned to give it a try myself, but just haven't gotten a round tuit yet. See ya, Arnie On Fri, November 19, 2010 11:32 am, Joe Prindle wrote: > There was talk about it on the Practical Machinist board several years ago and > "those in the know" said it works well. I Have been able to avoid buying anything > like that by making friends with a guy with a wire edm and a sinker edm. I don't ask > him to do it very often, but when I walk into his shop with a piece in one hand and > a case of Leinenkugel's in the other, he knows what I am up to......... > Cool video, you can learn a lot on Youtube. I am interested in improving my sheet > metal fabrication skills and have been studying up on metal spinning. I am going to > stock up on Band-aids and give it a try. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Nov 19 15:37:18 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:37:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20101119233716.3AD339350@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Again, I got ahold of Bill and yes he sold American Beauty but he has gotten rid of all the parts. We talked a bit about them and I did learn for sure that the tips are not just copper, they are an alloy of copper. Specially made to get harder as it got hotter, to a point. And this also slowed down the erosion of the surface. But the best way to keep the tip from eroding is to keep the entire head tinned. TTYL, Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 20 18:22:37 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:22:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, On the second YouTube video, it looks like someone simply copied a Wankel Rotary engine cycle. Pretty neat. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 22 10:09:43 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:09:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> Hello Guys, We found a plate with multiple coats of paint on it that reveals the maker of the dragline. See a pic of the plate after we spent a hour or so removing the three coats of paint at . We found that a civilian model T35 may be the same crane as the M49 while doing some googling last night. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 22 12:41:39 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:41:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEAD583.8050601@coastalnet.com> Interesting article about Vern Schield http://books.google.com/books?id=zzMEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA33&dq=schield+bantam+crane&hl=en&ei=EtTqTO61NJG6sQPprMWxCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Ken On 11/22/2010 1:09 PM, Rupert wrote: > Hello Guys, > We found a plate with multiple coats of paint on it that reveals the > maker of the dragline. See a pic of the plate after we spent a hour or > so removing the three coats of paint at > . > > We found that a civilian model T35 may be the same crane as the M49 > while doing some googling last night. > > Rupert > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 22 17:29:46 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com> <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could contribute more. Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Nov 23 10:17:48 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:17:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine I need PIX, send off list if you want. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > contribute more. > > Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > > Rupert > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 23 11:21:40 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Hello Frank, Can you download the pictures from my site at ? Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. Rupert On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >> >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could >> contribute more. >> >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? >> >> Rupert >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Nov 23 13:23:27 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Draglines etc. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101123162254.03c6a890@ncweb.com> The Bantam + B-E are 2 fundamentally different designs. Bantam (as shown in literature) is a single-shaft machine, ie both drums next to each other on a single shaft, like Manitowoc. B-E's are all 2 shaft machines, the 2 drums mounted on separate shafts, counter rotating. The single shaft design is very compact, but crowded to work on, although Manitowoc used the compactness to provide a dance floor between the engine + draw works, nice to work on. The 2 shaft design has advantages in working access, and the counter rotating shafts allow 2-direction drive when required via a roller chain, as the crowd/rehaul on a shovel, or hoist-drag interlock on a dragline. Visually, B-E is more styled, with curved window openings and compound curves at the upper rear of the cab. Bantam is all straight sheet metal, not as stylish, but good machines. Some single shaft machines: Bantam, Manitowoc, Marion, Lorain (at least the early ones). There may be exceptions. Some 2 shaft machines: B-E, Northwest, Insley. Here are the innards of the first Manitowoc design: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/23/momFTrrPIiI http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/24/lW5KArXu1xQ Dave Merchant Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Nov 24 00:30:01 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:30:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; My friend believes it to be an Allis Charlmers tractor engine, more and better pix might be helpfull Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Hello Frank, > Can you download the pictures from my site at > ? > Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get > some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. > > Rupert > > On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > >> > >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > >> contribute more. > >> > >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 08:15:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) Message-ID: Guys, I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some feedback from those of you with more practical experience. The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in diameter. The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the press-fit plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as dimensioned) into the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. Thoughts / comments / suggestions? Thanks!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 24 09:11:17 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:11:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) References: Message-ID: <008801cb8bfa$9bbc60d0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> Arnie, Try the forums at www.practicalmachinist.com . This is where I go when I have machining questions. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Old Engine List" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) > Guys, > > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered > plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to > get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. > > The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in > diameter. > > The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. > The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). > The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). > > My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the > press-fit > plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as > dimensioned) into > the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. > > Thoughts / comments / suggestions? > > Thanks!! > > Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 24 09:49:04 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:49:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <869441C2-ECE7-458E-BD55-C1E3F7CDAF3F@rustyiron.com> Are you asking about fitting a conical plug into a cylindrical hole? If that's the case, fugetaboudit. If the plug is indeed cylindrical, 0.004" still seems a bit much. I'd guess closer to 0.0015", but you should check Machinery's Handbook for a better understanding. -- Rob Skinner On Nov 24, 2010, at 8:15 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > Guys, > > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. > > The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in diameter. > > The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. > The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). > The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). > > My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the press-fit > plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as dimensioned) into > the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. > > Thoughts / comments / suggestions? > > Thanks!! > > Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 24 14:11:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:11:52 EST Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) Message-ID: <272edc.53c7b39.3a1ee7a8@aol.com> Arnie, As a general rule like Rob said, a tapered pin does not go in a non tapered hole. Same rule as flywheel keys follow. Your pin is only !/8 (.125) of an inch long and bigger in diameter than it is long. For something that small, and if the hole is straight I would think a straight plug with .0005-.0008 interference would be sufficient. Put the pin in freezer and then drive in place. My $.02 worth. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu Nov 25 01:03:30 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 04:03:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; I was finally able to contact a friend that has had several Bantam cranes he still has 2 of the engines and I sent him your pix, but what he described sounds like yours. Both of his are LeRoi engines, one of his has the oil line going to the same location on the head. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Hello Frank, > Can you download the pictures from my site at > ? > Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get > some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. > > Rupert > > On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > >> > >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > >> contribute more. > >> > >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Nov 25 03:54:01 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Any takers? http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Nov 25 04:36:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:36:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <9b79.6cc0e919.3a1fb261@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/2010 7:04:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, kosh at ncweb.com writes: http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave, Wow! What a great picture. Just look at what all is going on, belt driven air compressor that appears to be water cooled, lock box for some reason, air whistle, man needs new coveralls! Have a great Thanksgiving to all! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 05:34:46 2010 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 05:34:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <612692.89106.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Other than internal combustion, no.? But definitely a sweet picture!! David --- On Thu, 11/25/10, Dave Merchant wrote: From: Dave Merchant Subject: [SEL] Engine ID To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 6:54 AM Any takers? http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." ? ? ? ???- Prof. Phil Jones ? ? ? ???- Director, Climatic Research Unit ? ? ? ???- School of Environmental Sciences ? ? ? ???- University of East Anglia ? ? ? ???- Norwich, UK ? ? ? ???- To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Nov 25 05:48:58 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CEE694A.1060101@windstream.net> On 11/24/10 11:15 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. Oh please tell me this isn't for a major structural component for the fuel rod assembly for a nuke reactor that you're building in your basement!!!!! Hopefully upwind from the meltdown, Mike From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 25 06:12:30 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:12:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5DCA32B2-1EA7-4481-8006-33D3718C7580@rustyiron.com> On Nov 25, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Dave Merchant wrote: > Any takers? > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original > Cool stuff, Dave. I just spent the past 40 minutes looking at a bunch of old images. There's plenty more... if I only had the time. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 25 13:26:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:26:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101125231344.00dc8b88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 25/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 >From: Dave Merchant >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID > >Any takers? >http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >dmerchant at layerzero.com Hi Dave, I have no idea as to what the engine is but it does look British in design (Wolseley, Lister)(or maybe Aus or NZ) but not the governor arrangement on the flywheel. That's not why I wrote !! What an incredible photograph (considering it was taken in 1910). Focus, lighting, detail (even in most shadow areas) is incredible - all that and it is also "wide angle" with no distortion towards the edges. Look at the detail on the Guys (holding the hose) face -the lighting and shadows are tremendous. Thank you so much for posting it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Nov 25 15:52:29 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101125231344.00dc8b88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125184618.03f33dd0@ncweb.com> I didn't post it... The site is http://www.shorpy.com/ Named in honor of the grease covered kid in this photo... http://www.shorpy.com/node/9406?size=_original This site has ruined my life. Dave Merchant At 04:26 PM 11/25/2010, you wrote: >At 07:00 PM 25/11/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 5 > >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 > >From: Dave Merchant > >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID > > > >Any takers? > >http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original > >Dave Merchant > >kosh at nesys.com > >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >Hi Dave, > I have no idea as to what the engine is but it does look British >in design (Wolseley, Lister)(or maybe Aus or NZ) but not the governor >arrangement on the flywheel. > > That's not why I wrote !! > > What an incredible photograph (considering it was taken in 1910). >Focus, lighting, detail (even in most shadow areas) is incredible - all >that and it is also "wide angle" with no distortion towards the edges. Look >at the detail on the Guys (holding the hose) face -the lighting and shadows >are tremendous. > > Thank you so much for posting it. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Thu Nov 25 20:05:49 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:05:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEF321D.7040805@xplornet.com> Thanks Frank. I forgot all about LeRoi engines when I was googling for pictures. Rupert On 11/25/2010 2:03 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > > I was finally able to contact a friend that has had several Bantam cranes > he still has 2 of the engines and I sent him your pix, but what he described sounds > like yours. Both of his are LeRoi engines, one of his has the oil line going to > the same location on the head. > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >> >> Hello Frank, >> Can you download the pictures from my site at >> ? >> Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get >> some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. >> >> Rupert >> >> On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Rupert; >>> >>> I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine >>> I need PIX, send off list if you want. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Franklin S. Skinner >>> Marine Surveyor& Consultant >>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 >>> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 >>>> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could >>>> contribute more. >>>> >>>> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that >>>> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is >>>> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder >>>> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? >>>> >>>> Rupert >>>> -- >>>> >>>> yvt >>>> >>>> Rupert Wenig >>>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >>>> >>>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>> >>>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 11:25:42 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:25:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: Howdee gang; Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a steel rod? Thanks much and any recommendation is appreciated! RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Nov 26 11:38:59 2010 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:38:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> Rick, I believe it is called a ball turner. Francis In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a steel rod? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 12:02:21 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:02:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Radius Cutter. At least that is what I have heard them called. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Sent: Nov 26, 2010 1:38 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > >Rick, >I believe it is called a ball turner. > >Francis > > >In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > >Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these >lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a >steel >rod? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 12:58:51 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:58:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool In-Reply-To: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Radius Cutter Attachment" did it Tim..thanks much....I think I'll go with Reg's suggestion....whew!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > Radius Cutter. At least that is what I have heard them called. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- > >From: FRM8198 at aol.com > >Sent: Nov 26, 2010 1:38 PM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > > > >Rick, > >I believe it is called a ball turner. > > > >Francis > > > > > >In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > > >Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do > >these > >lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a > >steel > >rod? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 26 20:06:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:06:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool In-Reply-To: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> References: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> Message-ID: Good doG, a "ball turner" is a TSA employee. It has NOTHING to do with being a machinist! dave On Nov 26, 2010, at 2:38 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Rick, > I believe it is called a ball turner. > > Francis > > > In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these > lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a > steel > rod? From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 07:03:34 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:03:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> Hey folks, December issue of GEM has a letter from the Witte engine company dated 1907. In that letter it notes: Steel Balanced portable engine and Farm Balanced portable engine. What is the difference in "Steel" versus "Farm" balanced? Was the steel balanced more precisely balanced with inserts in the flywheels (as in vehicle rims with weights) versus the farm balance was just in the casting of the flywheels? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 09:08:45 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:08:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <7b473.7edce460.3a23e69d@aol.com> I should have told you the letter is on page 5 of the December issue of GEM. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 28 09:39:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte engines In-Reply-To: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> References: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> Message-ID: <477f3670636943c8a3195325afe13838.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tom, This was one of those cost-saving innovations for which Witte was famous. As you mentioned, the "steel balance" was the familiar cast-in extra weight near the flywheel rim. The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer applied to the flywheel rim as needed. I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Sun, November 28, 2010 10:03 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Hey folks, > > December issue of GEM has a letter from the Witte engine company dated > 1907. In that letter it notes: Steel Balanced portable engine and Farm > Balanced portable engine. What is the difference in "Steel" versus "Farm" > balanced? Was the steel balanced more precisely balanced with inserts in the > flywheels (as in vehicle rims with weights) versus the farm balance was just > in the casting of the flywheels? From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 11:51:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:51:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2010 12:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer applied to the flywheel rim as needed. Arnie, No wonder I did not know what it meant. The sticky manure on this farm readily slings off the truck tires, so it must not be the good type for engine balancing. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 28 19:58:34 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte engines In-Reply-To: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> References: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> Message-ID: <78D5E311-8B65-4A61-9957-A4814490B34E@me.com> This is the latest system (along with duct tape) used in ALL the newest 1,000 units! Dave On Nov 28, 2010, at 2:51 PM, germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2010 12:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer > applied to the flywheel rim as needed. > > Arnie, > > > No wonder I did not know what it meant. The sticky manure on this farm > readily slings off the truck tires, so it must not be the good type for > engine balancing. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 21:25:31 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Nov 28 22:45:11 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:45:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats all around Patrick regards Russell and Co On 29/11/2010, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > A new engine collector has entered the scene. > Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up > in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing > well. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Nov 29 02:15:17 2010 From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peter Woodmore) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:15:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD5DC57415857B-18D0-3920F@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> congratulations Patrick all the best wishes to Samuel and well done Mum Regards Peter & Marie Woodmore peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name = woadmere -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone To: ATIS ; Oldengine Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 4:25 pm Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector A new engine collector has entered the scene. orn this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up n intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing ell. Patrick M Livingstone eichhardt NSW ttp://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Mon Nov 29 04:08:06 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:08:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <488ef.3e840fed.3a24f1a6@aol.com> Congrads KK In a message dated 11/29/2010 12:34:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 05:14:59 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:14:59 EST Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <1f338.7d77e4f2.3a250153@aol.com> Congratulations to Mom and Dad on the arrival of Samuel and everyone is well. Good to hear the dog made it thru it all too! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 08:30:29 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:30:29 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <20101129.113029.22822.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Congrats Patrick - Good on ya !!!!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Look twice, be aware ? (_o_) Asshole drivers are everywhere" ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:08:06 -0500 (EST) Congrads KK In a message dated 11/29/2010 12:34:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf3d55ad76cb4f226bst01vuc From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Mon Nov 29 11:05:35 2010 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:05:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new engine collector Message-ID: Congratulations Patrick and best wishes to you, your wife and young Sam. PS Has you given him a second name? If it were Edwin or Erwin or similar, his initials would be S E L. That's scary! Anyway, well done, glad to hear all are well. Teddy From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Nov 29 14:25:48 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:25:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69666928-E460-4465-9E8D-FE6F8B624871@netconnect.com.au> Well done and congratulations to all! Your new life is just beginning, once you make the shed child safe that is! Best wishes, Mark (who has a 4yo train mad daughter. Engines will come later!) On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > A new engine collector has entered the scene. > Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he > ended up > in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also > doing > well. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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Hemingway From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 29 15:46:36 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:46:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71851F3302104D6F85F5018F2E62DDBB@D2JYVHJ1> Congrats Patrick. We need more youth in the hobby and sounds like you are doing your part. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:26 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/28/10 19:34:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 16:23:37 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:23:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <873454.10727.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Congratulations Patrick. ? There just isn't anything like it is there? I will always remember what hit me when our daughter was born. Now she is 16 years old and I believe we will survive these years. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 12:25 AM A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 10:01:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:01:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all for your many, many emails both on and off list. Little Samuel is now out of intensive care and spending the night with mom and dad in the hospital room. I am working on which engine will be his. I think he will get an Austral. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 30 12:25:13 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:25:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DA5AA2-C332-4B9E-AF5C-12ED9950177B@me.com> A VERY good choice Patrick! Dave PS, Belated CONGRATS! On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > I am working on which engine will be his. I think he will get an > Austral. > > Patrick M Livingstone From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 30 15:19:35 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:19:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine Message-ID: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 marine engine is? Cheers John From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 30 15:36:00 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:36:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine References: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> Message-ID: <58BBB22CC3C54132A4AB837D15F8AE6E@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mathieson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 marine engine is? Cheers John I presume you have read http://www.oldmarineengine.com/history/Palmer/Palmer%20YT%20Article.htm I have never heard of the engine myself. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 30 23:14:47 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:14:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine References: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> <58BBB22CC3C54132A4AB837D15F8AE6E@zen> Message-ID: <6CA6E10BD99B48A7BC402A4FCF8F9DE8@lightning> Thankyou Dave, what a great article. The maggy is an American Bosch FX1. It seems that the Palmers are quite a collectable engine. Regards john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Mathieson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > > >> Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 >> marine engine is? Cheers John > > I presume you have read > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/history/Palmer/Palmer%20YT%20Article.htm > I have never heard of the engine myself. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3288 - Release Date: 11/29/10 19:34:00 From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 1 02:27:42 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? References: Message-ID: There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical you want to go. http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water traps. If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works overtime. I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the stuff, never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured and clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or if you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as flexible. I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician (Flow, Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade for over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in all industries in Australia. My $0.02 worth and experience. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Nov 1 03:02:52 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 06:02:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: For what its worth; I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, glued, let stand for several days prior to use. All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than metal piping. I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. { Just my experience} Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: plowe at exemail.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 > Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? > > There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical you > want to go. > http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf > If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you > want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water traps. > If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. > It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray > painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works > overtime. > > I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in > Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the stuff, > never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured and > clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or if > you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as > flexible. > I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. > SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: > http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php > > I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician (Flow, > Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade for > over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black > pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in all > industries in Australia. > My $0.02 worth and experience. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 1 04:40:23 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 04:40:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yes, my compressor is set to a cutoff of about 150 as well. It's a single-stage 5 hp. So I need to be safe to over 150 - I'd feel better with 180-200 psi range just in case...... Bill > > > For what its worth; > I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, > 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, > Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, > glued, let stand for several days prior to use. > All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps > to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. > The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. > > This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. > > And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than > metal piping. > > I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. > and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. > > { Just my experience} > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> From: plowe at exemail.com.au >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 >> Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? >> >> There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical >> you >> want to go. >> http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf >> If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you >> want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water >> traps. >> If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. >> It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray >> painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works >> overtime. >> >> I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in >> Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the >> stuff, >> never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured >> and >> clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or >> if >> you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as >> flexible. >> I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. >> SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: >> http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php >> >> I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician >> (Flow, >> Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade >> for >> over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black >> pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in >> all >> industries in Australia. >> My $0.02 worth and experience. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 09:53:02 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:53:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? In-Reply-To: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engi nes.com> References: <0f628616ac19d40926c25e924f0e20c7.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20101101165329.AA98893AE@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi All, As a side note: You can greatly increase the life of your single stage compressor sold to you as capable of 150 by setting the cut off down to 125. Years ago single stage compressors were originally intended for 100 psi max. Then 40-50 years ago they started cheating them up to 125. In the 60s and 70s a major chain store started to sell them set up for 135-145. Now companies are cheating them again up to the 150 range. Hell they will pump up to 200 if you force them. They will do it in the short run but it does take life off of the pump in the long run to take the air from 14.5psi (depending on your altitude), up to 150 all in one step. If you can work with the lesser pressure you will gain a lot in the long run. You the user will never know what you loose by using the higher pressure. And very few of the sales people at the big box stores know much more then what the manufacturers sales propaganda states. So asking them about this subject will gain you little to none. Yes manufacturers have done some (and thats being generous to say that.) improvements to valves to increase durability at the higher pressures but the fact remains you can gain a lot by making do with less. Most air tools are designed for operation at 90 psi on average. And to use them on pressures up in the triple digits is hard on them too. Its a game of numbers, you claim larger numbers of delivery or pressure then your competition you sell more. As an added benefit lesser pressure means cooler air thus less water in your air as the separators can do a better job. Mark At 07:40 AM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Yes, my compressor is set to a cutoff of about 150 as well. It's a >single-stage 5 hp. >So I need to be safe to over 150 - I'd feel better with 180-200 psi range >just in case...... > >Bill > > > > > > > > For what its worth; > > I Piped a shop where I was Port Engineer, at the very least, > > 25+ years ago with PVC. What I used was the hot water, > > Schedule 80 , 1" pipe. All joints were properlly cleaned, > > glued, let stand for several days prior to use. > > All lines were well up on the walls, with drop pipes & traps > > to drain off water, all pipes were well supported. > > The Compressor cut off setting was 150 PSI. > > > > This system is still in use daily with no leaks & never a problem. > > > > And it seemed that the plastic produced less water in the air than > > metal piping. > > > > I seem to remember asking the supplier what to use for the App. > > and the Hot Water Sch. 80 PVC was recommended {Then}. > > > > { Just my experience} > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: plowe at exemail.com.au > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:27:42 +1100 > >> Subject: [SEL] air lines in shop? > >> > >> There are typical designs for shop air supplies, depends how technical > >> you > >> want to go. > >> http://www.ch601.org/tools/Neil/pipe-layout-1.pdf > >> If it is for blow down only then straight compressed air is fine, if you > >> want to paint and need dry air then you need good filters and water > >> traps. > >> If you are really rich you can add a refrigerant dryer. > >> It can get very humid where I live and that can be a problem when spray > >> painting, I use an automatic blow-down water trap that sometimes works > >> overtime. > >> > >> I have used polyurethane tubing for over 30 years in heavy industry in > >> Industrial Instrumentation and have run 1000's of kilometres of the > >> stuff, > >> never had a blow-out using the black UV stabilized stuff. The coloured > >> and > >> clear does not like the sun too much. Polyurethane good for 115 psi or > >> if > >> you want higher pressures go to Nylon for 225 psi, but it is not as > >> flexible. > >> I use SMC Pneumatics, an international company. > >> SMC use "One Touch" Fittings, look here and at the left hand menu: > >> http://www.smcpneumatics.com/products/fittings/instantfittings/index.php > >> > >> I am an Electgrical contractor and Industrial Instrument Technician > >> (Flow, > >> Pressure, Level and Temp controls), the latter has been my main trade > >> for > >> over 30 years. I would not be bothered cutting and screwing gal or black > >> pipe or even copper when this tubing is available. I would say used in > >> all > >> industries in Australia. > >> My $0.02 worth and experience. > >> > >> Regards > >> Peter Lowe > >> R&V Engine Registrar > >> Australia > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >> Skype name: ozengines > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 1 11:18:39 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:18:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 01/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:17:28 -0400 >From: Paul + Colleen Gray >Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <858D3E96-174B-460E-A586-CE807F16D8C4 at zoominternet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >Your mileage may vary.... >http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html >There's a thread on it Home Shop Machinist... >http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?p=126306 > >Paul Gray Hi Paul, Interesting links but I think many people may be getting confused between PVC and CPVC (which Mark mentioned). The OHASA reports only mentioned PVC. (Polyvinylchloride) which is a hard, rather brittle thermoplastic commonly used for water pipes, soil vent pipes (sewage) and uses requiring resistance to certain chemicals (only some chemicals - NOT solvents). In past years this was called uPVC - unplasticised Polyvinylchloride - today the "u" seems to have been dropped. I do not have much experience with CPVC (Chlorinated Polyvinylchloride) but it is a modified PVC and more flexible than and "tougher" than PVC. This is what Mark recommended - maybe he could give us some more info on it. From a bit of "Googling" it does appear to be a better choice than PVC but nowhere as good as PEX. I know very little about PEX (I've been out of plastics since 1986) but reading about it on the net it seems to be a great product/system and very easy to use. Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very happy with it :-) Interesting to see a familiar face halfway down the page on that Home Shop Machinist link - Hi Orrin, how're you keeping :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Nov 1 11:45:55 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:45:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC pipe: On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used on a system using compressed air or other gases" Jerry From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 1 15:31:27 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:31:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her closest friends? Dave On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > I know very little about SEX (I've been out of plastics since > 1986)........ > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 16:00:21 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 23:00:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Message-ID: On 1 November 2010 22:31, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her > closest friends? > ? ? ? ?Dave ROFL! Trust Dave to pick that one up! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 1 18:17:07 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:17:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671@me.com> Message-ID: <7A07F111B7144BBB9F77523ECA7B99AD@regpc> Having decided to visit my Bro in S Africa for Xmas, I wonder if I should check out their fare prices. They may be cheaper than Qantas Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 19:10:59 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:10:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi, I can't tell you more then the web about CPVC. Just that my experience is with CPVC and we have never had problems with it. Trust me we really would rather put in Black Pipe. (Not Galvanized!!) but if you are on a budget CPVC is the way. I never tried Pex but it looks like its ok. I am not up on the modern water pipe but Pex is the stuff that comes on rolls? If so I would think it would not be as nice to work with as far as keeping it straight. We do not want bellys in the lines to gather water. CPVC stick is easier to put up and keep straight with support. If I were not putting up black pipe it would be CPVC. I do like the thought of copper and polishing it up. GRINNN Just too expensive. I know a fellow engine collector from New Jersy that when he discovered the exposed water pipes in his houses crawl space basement was copper he polished it all. Sure was perdy. Yah gotta understand this fellow he is a clean, neat and tidy freak. As well as being a details fellow. TTYL, Mark At 02:18 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > Interesting links but I think many people may be getting confused >between PVC and CPVC (which Mark mentioned). > > The OHASA reports only mentioned PVC. (Polyvinylchloride) which is >a hard, rather brittle thermoplastic commonly used for water pipes, soil >vent pipes (sewage) and uses requiring resistance to certain chemicals >(only some chemicals - NOT solvents). In past years this was called uPVC - >unplasticised Polyvinylchloride - today the "u" seems to have been dropped. > > I do not have much experience with CPVC (Chlorinated >Polyvinylchloride) but it is a modified PVC and more flexible than and >"tougher" than PVC. This is what Mark recommended - maybe he could give >us some more info on it. From a bit of "Googling" it does appear to be a >better choice than PVC but nowhere as good as PEX. > > I know very little about PEX (I've been out of plastics since >1986) but reading about it on the net it seems to be a great product/system >and very easy to use. > > Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very >happy with it :-) > > Interesting to see a familiar face halfway down the page on that >Home Shop Machinist link - Hi Orrin, how're you keeping :-) > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 1 19:22:32 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:22:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> <20101102021055.3601B9390@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Good doG, This thread has sure gone downhill! Dave On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi, > I never tried Sex but it > looks like its ok. TTYL, Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Nov 1 19:39:27 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__PVC_air_lines?= Message-ID: <380-22010112223927316@M2W135.mail2web.com> Very good Reg :-)))))) Pete PVC air lines Having decided to visit my Bro in S Africa for Xmas, I wonder if I should check out their fare prices. They may be cheaper than Qantas Reg -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 1 22:20:51 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 01:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101204448.00dc8430@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <20101102052042.2122C9368@smtp.wcoil.com> Yup is sure does say that. I never said the manufacturer recommended it for compressed gases. The manufacturer never intended or rated it for compressed gas so they have to say never for liability reasons. But we have seen it done for years and I have put it in my own shop. Bill did express some concerns over cost. Sweat copper is easy if you know how to sweat but expensive. I think black pipe is cheaper but involves a lot of cutting and threading, that for someone who has not cut and threaded is a daunting task and has a good bit of skill involved to do it without breaking something. Plastic is the cheapest way I know to plumb a shop. And if its laid out right it works well and if its braced well around the outlets I have never seen it fail. I seen a suggestion to run the main trunk line in plastic then drops with black pipe. I've seen that done too and its a great compromise idea and eliminates the hose tugging and bump risk. TTYL, Mark At 02:45 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC >pipe: > > > On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used >on a system using compressed air or other gases" >Jerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 00:26:47 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:26:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101101195458.00de6d50@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: On 1 November 2010 18:18, Jerry Evans wrote: > ? ? ? ? Anyway, enough plastic talk - my air line is copper and I'm very > happy with it :-) SMC Corporation do a Polyurethane air line tube, rated to 0.8MPa or 116psi. Look for type TU: http://www.smc.eu RS have the datasheet here: http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0df8/0900766b80df850b.pdf Easy to install, there's a 16mm OD size as well as the smaller sizes listed on the pdf file. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 2 04:22:55 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] USA members Message-ID: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From amkimmell at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 05:04:06 2010 From: amkimmell at gmail.com (Tony Kimmell) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:04:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <700243596-1288699447-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1652941966-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Git-er-done! Headed to the polls right now to kick some democrat ass! -Tony -----Original Message----- From: Germoamer at aol.com Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 To: Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] USA members May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 2 05:42:57 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 08:42:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> <700243596-1288699447-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1652941966-@bda220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <03a501cb7a8b$7a6bd080$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> I'll second that!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Kimmell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] USA members > Git-er-done! Headed to the polls right now to kick some democrat ass! > > -Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:22:55 > To: > Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] USA members > > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16190) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16190) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Nov 2 06:20:53 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: Send 'em where they belong - FLUSH THE TOILET!!!! Go out and vote today! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:23 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] USA members > > > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 2 07:54:59 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:54:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3206a21cec2f74b92a2119121629054d.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> 51% of this country wants to give their person another chance...... Go ahead, call us stupid, maybe we deserve to fall in the world order if we really are THAT dumb....... Bill > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Nov 2 07:55:55 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:55:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3700a67512f00b205f3aa3151aa3254f.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Right after work - it's not far from home, only 3.5 miles. No excuse. Bill > Send 'em where they belong - FLUSH THE TOILET!!!! > > Go out and vote today! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of >> Germoamer at aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:23 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] USA members >> >> >> May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 2 08:02:05 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines In-Reply-To: <20101102052042.2122C9368@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1B098F002327458AB0DF58AA5EE0C4D1@D2JYVHJ1> Schedule 80 plastic (the gray colored stuff) is pretty heavy duty. The air compressor I have in my shop is a big Campbell Hausfield. 100 gal tank, 10 HP electric motor (that is huge, not one of the "small" motors) and a big cast iron 2 stage compressor. It was bought for an industry and they never installed it. I bought it and put it in the shop. It kicks off at 165 psi and on at about 135. I can put a 1/4 inch air chuck in it and let the air flow freely out of the hose. It will kick on, pump up and kick back off. Its great for sandblasting. I had my old shop on this compressor and had the whole shop plumbed with the gray schedule 80 pipe, probably 150 ft. It lasted for 12 years before the tornado got it. I never had a problem with it in any way. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] PVC air lines Yup is sure does say that. I never said the manufacturer recommended it for compressed gases. The manufacturer never intended or rated it for compressed gas so they have to say never for liability reasons. But we have seen it done for years and I have put it in my own shop. Bill did express some concerns over cost. Sweat copper is easy if you know how to sweat but expensive. I think black pipe is cheaper but involves a lot of cutting and threading, that for someone who has not cut and threaded is a daunting task and has a good bit of skill involved to do it without breaking something. Plastic is the cheapest way I know to plumb a shop. And if its laid out right it works well and if its braced well around the outlets I have never seen it fail. I seen a suggestion to run the main trunk line in plastic then drops with black pipe. I've seen that done too and its a great compromise idea and eliminates the hose tugging and bump risk. TTYL, Mark At 02:45 PM 11/1/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A bit more Googling found this link on technical features of CPVC >pipe: > > > On the 2nd page / 2nd paragraph states " CPVC must never be used >on a system using compressed air or other gases" >Jerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3222 - Release Date: 11/01/10 07:35:00 From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 08:06:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 11:06:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] USA members In-Reply-To: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> References: <361f9.1fa0a787.3a014e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure that this List is the place for this sort of partisan politics. However, in the interest of properly turning out a large vote let me remind everyone that in light of the LARGE EXPECTED turnout for these midterms Republicans are to vote today and Democrats are to vote tomorrow! Dave On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > May your favorite anti-Obama candidate win today! > > Tom Schmutz From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 2 09:18:55 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:18:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines and ex wives :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 02/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:31:27 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] PVC air lines >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <465975D7-C7F9-484B-A53F-3B88F1E24671 at me.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > >Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her >closest friends? > Dave > >On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:> > > I know very little about SEX (I've been out of plastics since > > 1986)........ > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans Hi Dave :-) You caught me by changing the spelling on another subject about 2 years ago - you will not get it right a second time :-).................I'm wise to your tricks !! Regarding the (ex) wife, I have not got a clue what she says ( I've not seen her in close to 20 years) but I would not be surprised if that's what she tells ALL her friends and anyone else who cares to listen :-) Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 2 09:21:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:21:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines & ex wives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102182015.00e0dcf0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 02/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 23:00:21 +0000 >From: Listerdiesel > >On 1 November 2010 22:31, David Rotigel wrote: > > Hi Jerry, Was that a typo, or just something your wife tells her > > closest friends? > > ? ? ? ?Dave > >ROFL! > >Trust Dave to pick that one up! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, Surely you meant "Trust Dave to change the spelling of the original !" :-) Jerry From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 2 09:59:52 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:59:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL everyday :-( The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. One, we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt > Curt, > > Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? > I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I missed > some postings or if the project is on hold. > > Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings > about when it was finished. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting > > Jay, > The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list > Thanks, > Curt > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 2 10:37:16 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Curt, Thanks for posting the link to Devin's project. Very interesting. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting George, Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL everyday :-( The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. One, we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt > Curt, > > Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? > I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I missed > some postings or if the project is on hold. > > Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the postings > about when it was finished. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting > > Jay, > The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list > Thanks, > Curt > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 10:40:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PVC air lines and ex wives :-) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101102181248.00dbbbf8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <6D71CBF4-66C8-4A30-B0AE-0FC6773987AB@me.com> > Damn Jerry, I probably couldn't use you for testing more than one mag either! Dave > Hi Dave :-) > You caught me by changing the spelling on another subject > about 2 > years ago - you will not get it right a second > time :-).................I'm > wise to your tricks !! > > Regarding the (ex) wife, I have not got a clue what she says ( > I've not seen her in close to 20 years) but I would not be surprised > if > that's what she tells ALL her friends and anyone else who cares to > listen :-) > > Keep well, > Jerry From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 2 11:14:23 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:14:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: GO DEVIN! Lookin GOOD! Dave On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > George, > Sorry for the long reply. Just too busy these days to read the SEL > everyday :-( > The Willys has been put on hold for about a year due to two events. > One, > we moved and that's been a LONG process, but the new place allows some > room for the hobbies. Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's > Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is > constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the > slab, > posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project > than we > should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. > I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if > you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to > put up > the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. > > > We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so > we > are really running tight! > Curt > > >> Curt, >> >> Speaking of Willys, how is that wagon you were restoring? >> I haven't seen any reports on it in a long time. Don't know if I >> missed >> some postings or if the project is on hold. >> >> Could be that Devin is driving it around and I just missed the >> postings >> about when it was finished. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> curt at rustyiron.com >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:55 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT! Electrical troubleshoting >> >> Jay, >> The TDR came up on the Willys Tech list >> Thanks, >> Curt >> >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >> confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any >> attachments >> from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 2 12:22:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <853d.3379d74e.39fc32c1@aol.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F497B057C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F499630BE@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Curt & Devin, You guys have made some nice progress since Cotton Ginning Daze! See ya, Arnie On Tue, November 2, 2010 1:37 pm, Best, George wrote: > Thanks for posting the link to Devin's project. > Very interesting. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > Two, we are earnestly trying to wrap up Devin's > Eagle Scout project. This is a early 1900's machine shop. He is > constructing the building which is 30' x 20'. The foundation, the slab, > posts, beams, roofing, the whole thing. Probably a larger project than we > should have taken on, but it will be a project for him to be proud of. > I've been photo documenting the project for him on the club website if > you'd like to see the progress. This Saturday we have a work day to put up > the roof rafters. Tonight Devin and I are putting up the ridge beam. > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 2 12:43:09 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Willys was RE: OT! Electrical troubleshoting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <180CF66308BA4BE5913B3315B581A3DE@ckcsdb40cdd57a> Wow, great work Devin (and Curt). That will be a great addition to the show. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we are really running tight! Curt From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 3 12:19:48 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:19:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 80, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101103211527.00df85d0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/11/2010, you wrote: >ails.html> >We have until April, when his 18th birthday is, to get this done, so we >are really running tight! >Curt From the other side of the globe - well done Devin and to you Curt and Missy for instilling values like this into your son. I take my hat off to you 3. I cannot say more! If we had more people like you this world would be a better place for us all. Jerry From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 01:29:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:29:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?= In-Reply-To: <8f77800f7bdb7cb65d59ee2556cb1bf6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: It looks like both flywheels have been moving on the keys on the 3.5hp Austral so both will need attention. One key came out OK after a bit of effort but the other side one will be a problem. Only about a third of the key came free. It seems it broke a long time ago under the strain. The flywheel is moving and the shaft so I am hoping to get the flywheel off without having to resort to extreme methods to remove the broken section of key. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 04:39:30 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:39:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_the_spokes_don_=B9_t_line_up?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Reg, This will end up being a long term project as I gather bits for the engine. I now have a good idea of what is needed. One idea that has been floated is to rotate the flywheels 180 degrees and cut new keyways. The flywheels on Australs are not balanced (the crank is) so this is a possibility. All suggestions will be looked at on this one. As well as the flywheels and crank the other major job is fixing a split and a couple of holes in the barrel. Someone has made a start on the split and ground it out. There is quite a bit of meat left so it should not be too bad to repair. No.351 may be put aside for a while so I can finish a couple of other projects and I may be a little busy when the baby arrives ;) I have some parts under way for this engine but it is a bit of a challenge as many things are different on this early engine to the later ones. Most of the bits I am missing are completely different to my other 3.5hp engine so I cannot use it as a template. Patrick On 5/11/10 8:04 PM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: > Patrick, at this point, you have to see that only a serious look at the > keyways on the shafts and the wheels with a view to getting them true and > square, (even if this means a wider key and keyway), has to be the best way > to fix this. > Welding will cause distortion. Stepped keys will only be a 'sorta repair'. > So, My advice is to spend a few $$ and get the keyways re cut. New keys. > (wider, so what?). > Then the rest of the restoration can be built on a solid crank repair. > Otherwise, there will always be the doubt. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Livingstone" > To: "Oldengine" ; "ATIS" > > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: Why the spokes don?t line up > > >> It looks like both flywheels have been moving on the keys on the 3.5hp >> Austral so both will need attention. One key came out OK after a bit of >> effort but the other side one will be a problem. Only about a third of the >> key came free. It seems it broke a long time ago under the strain. The >> flywheel is moving and the shaft so I am hoping to get the flywheel off >> without having to resort to extreme methods to remove the broken section >> of >> key. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral351.html >> Patrick >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cwja at telus.net Fri Nov 5 13:22:16 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:22:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E Message-ID: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by being obvious. -- Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Nov 5 13:50:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: Jeff: I think a quarter pound of pull is very weak. You need to have the magnets charged -on- the magneto and you should be fine. You can test run the engine on battery and coil without the magneto (just leave it unhooked -NOT- in the battery circuit!). If the magneto is in any way connected to a battery, the magnets may be depolarized and the magic smoke could leak out. - The negative terminal of the battery should go to the engine frame. - The positive terminal of the battery should go through an induction coil* to the ignitor. - On a magneto fired engine, when running on battery and coil, do NOT let the engine stop with the ignitor points closed. If you do so, because the ignitor points are closed most of the time, they will probably be closed when the engine stops (see Murphy's Law) and will keep the coil in the circuit. If the coil is left on for a relatively long time, the magic smoke will most likely leak out. *: A suitable low tension coil can be made using the primary of a regular auto ignition coil, a starter solenoid, an auto A/C clutch coil or other suitable inductance. I hope this helped. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 4:22 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; C. W. Jefferys Allen > Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my > ignitor from my > magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary > Engine. I have totally > cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with > another identical > JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the > bearings, and still > I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the > instructions in my > manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, > matching the marks > on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine > compression, cleaned up > the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and > needle valve > (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three > different ignitors > that I have and the points are bright metal after > cleaning and the > points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily > through good > compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the > detent before mounting > the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. > I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the > two magnetos and > still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of > pull when I remove > the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice > as a keeper). Do > these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? > For most cases I > am very familiar with these old engines and generally > don't have trouble > getting them started. I have a good number of engines > but this is my > first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on > my flywheel > engines and have had no trouble cleaning and > refurbishing them. This is > my first try with a JD and I thought because of the > general good > condition of the engine it would be quite simple to > start. Live and > learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me > look silly by > being obvious. > -- > Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Nov 5 13:50:57 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 07:50:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <90E9A33B04A64DF7853DFAA50D809E45@regpc> If you take a magnet off a mag, you lose a LOT of the magnetism. You need to recharge it in situ. Does the engine run with a battery and coil? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "C. W. Jefferys Allen" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E > I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my > magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally > cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical > JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still > I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my > manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks > on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up > the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve > (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors > that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the > points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good > compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting > the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. > I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and > still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove > the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do > these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I > am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble > getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my > first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel > engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is > my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good > condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and > learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by > being obvious. > -- > Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Nov 5 14:51:08 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:51:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and the owner of the engine had been trying to run this ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model T Ford coil. Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil they had been using to no avail. Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had laying around as I had no low tension coils, and hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your posting and had the engine running fine in a few minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for many years later. No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E *: A suitable low tension coil can be made using the primary of a regular auto ignition coil, a starter solenoid, an auto A/C clutch coil or other suitable inductance. I hope this helped. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jswords at mcn.net Fri Nov 5 19:01:14 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:01:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> Dear All I think I need some help but first some background. Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and watch it run. So after some looking around I found an auction that was only about 300 miles away and went and bought a 1.5 hp McCormick Deering M engine and what I thought was a 3 hp McCormick Deering M but after I got home I found it was another 1.5 hp. After some work and buying a fuel pump I had the engine sitting on metal table. Wait for it?... I tried to start it up. Well, it did start and there I am holding onto my engine so it does not fall off the table and break while trying to find the off switch. I guess they did not need one when it was new. Or more likely when it was new no one would put it on a table and then start it. After about five minutes of this monster piece of metal bouncing around the table I got it stopped. The next time I did have it on the ground to start it. But I knew I needed someone to teach me some of the basics of these engines so went to a local tractor collector show and found out who was the best to learn from. Just wanting to learn how to make them work I walked up to the gentleman and started to ask questions. I watched as he worked on getting some engines running, offered to help where I could, handing holding and helping move things. I had my daughter with me and it was fun watching but somehow I asked the wrong/right question and he gave me his engines. Four or five big ones and 10-15 small ones like the Maytag. It turns out he was retiring from his farm and moving in town with a son on the other side of Montana and did not want to take the engines and wanted someone to enjoy his engines. So for a number of years I took my tractors (IHC from the 1950?s) up to the show and would haul out engines. I would run the M, picked up a corn sheller and a flour mill (the engine and flour mill was used for many years in a small town of Wibaux) so I would have corn on the cob that people could shell and then make corn meal on the spot. It was good. I slowed down after hurting my back so have not made the show for a while. But this fall found some auctions close by that had some hit & miss engines. I got bit with the ?bug? again. I ended up buying a 1 hp Economy Gasoline Engine ?Improved Model? sn SN33709 - (not sure of year or model but the casting has 5-23-13). It is missing some things and I have found and bought a gas tank and the gas filler tube and a cart/truck and then started to look for a carburetor. Did you know that many of these engines do not have carburetors but have fuel mixers?? Who knew? And why would a small cart be called a truck?? So looking and asking around I found that there might be a J type fuel mixer for the Economy but also a Luckenheimer fuel mixer was used. I found one dealer that had one but it was stolen off his table at a show. So after posting a message on Smoke-stack I was pointed to some ebay listings. One for a 1 inch RH and one for a ? inch RH or LH (not sure) Luckenheimer. I measured the pipe the mixer would screw into and it was about 1 inch. Looked at images of RH and LH mixers but how do you know which was correct. I won the ebay auction and waited until it showed up in the mail. But like lumber what you ask for and what is measured does not match!!!! *&^(*&%%$%%^*** I now have a nice 1 inch RH Lunkenheimer but need I am pretty sure a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer fuel mixer. So DOES anyone have a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer for sale or know where I and get one??? Anyone need a nice 1 inch?? Once I have the mixer then I have to figure out how to get the spark??? This is not like the McCormick Deering M at all. I would love to get this engine running before the new year. Any help would be greatly appreciated. While I wait I am working on a 2.25 hp Galloway, John Deere, Whitte and a Grey. All in pieces but it is cold here in the winter. ? This is a great list and I enjoy reading it every day. I am on digest mode so will see the emails only once a day. Later david -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Nov 6 06:36:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 09:36:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I'm sorry if I treated you like a newbie. I didn't know that you were familiar with flywheel engines. Good luck and let us know when you get it running. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I > was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John > Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and > the owner of the engine had been trying to run this > ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had > bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model > T Ford coil. > > Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it > to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine > which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil > they had been using to no avail. > > Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had > laying around as I had no low tension coils, and > hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your > posting and had the engine running fine in a few > minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus > had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for > many years later. > > No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have > that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. > > George From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Nov 6 09:12:38 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 10:12:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <27D6FC3C16C54D149EC39A05B7AC9B4D@shop> Hi Jeff While cranking the engine over at a good speed rub the ignitor wire back and forth across the ignitor springs; you should see sparks. The one thing I haven't seen in the other responses is to time the ignitor to the mag. The ignitor needs to trip at the exact time when the pin drops into the detent. This is the point the mag is producing the most voltage. I don't see in your post where you had done this. But as every one else has said you probably need a magnet recharge. Good Luck Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:22 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; C. W. Jefferys Allen Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E I am having a terrible time getting a spark at my ignitor from my magneto on my John Deere 1 1/2 Model E Stationary Engine. I have totally cleaned the mag (actually I have the same problem with another identical JD Magneto), put in new carbon brushes, cleaned the bearings, and still I cannot get the engine to run. I have followed the instructions in my manual for timing the ignitor and timing the magneto, matching the marks on the gears very carefully. The engine has fine compression, cleaned up the valves which are in great shape, new fuel tank and needle valve (lots of fuel when cranked). I have changed out three different ignitors that I have and the points are bright metal after cleaning and the points snap quickly. They whole engine turns easily through good compression. I have pressed the "L" pin into the detent before mounting the magneto, matching the marks on the gears. I have switched the horseshoe magnet between the two magnetos and still no juice. The magnets have about 1/4 pound of pull when I remove the keeper ( I kept them on the anvil of my bench vice as a keeper). Do these magnets go dead often and need to be re-charged? For most cases I am very familiar with these old engines and generally don't have trouble getting them started. I have a good number of engines but this is my first ignitor project; I have mostly WICO magnetos on my flywheel engines and have had no trouble cleaning and refurbishing them. This is my first try with a JD and I thought because of the general good condition of the engine it would be quite simple to start. Live and learn. Any ideas would be welcome even if they make me look silly by being obvious. -- Jeff & Marja Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 6 16:33:54 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> References: <4CD4B6EA.2090608@mcn.net> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9@me.com> Hi David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear All > > I think I need some help but first some background. > > Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a > Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and > watch > it run. So after some looking around I found an auction that was only > about 300 miles away and went and bought a 1.5 hp McCormick Deering M > engine and what I thought was a 3 hp McCormick Deering M but after I > got > home I found it was another 1.5 hp. > > After some work and buying a fuel pump I had the engine sitting on > metal > table. Wait for it?... I tried to start it up. Well, it did start > and > there I am holding onto my engine so it does not fall off the table > and > break while trying to find the off switch. I guess they did not need > one > when it was new. Or more likely when it was new no one would put it > on a > table and then start it. After about five minutes of this monster > piece > of metal bouncing around the table I got it stopped. The next time I > did > have it on the ground to start it. > > But I knew I needed someone to teach me some of the basics of these > engines so went to a local tractor collector show and found out who > was > the best to learn from. Just wanting to learn how to make them work I > walked up to the gentleman and started to ask questions. I watched > as he > worked on getting some engines running, offered to help where I could, > handing holding and helping move things. I had my daughter with me and > it was fun watching but somehow I asked the wrong/right question and > he > gave me his engines. Four or five big ones and 10-15 small ones like > the > Maytag. It turns out he was retiring from his farm and moving in town > with a son on the other side of Montana and did not want to take the > engines and wanted someone to enjoy his engines. So for a number of > years I took my tractors (IHC from the 1950?s) up to the show and > would > haul out engines. I would run the M, picked up a corn sheller and a > flour mill (the engine and flour mill was used for many years in a > small > town of Wibaux) so I would have corn on the cob that people could > shell > and then make corn meal on the spot. It was good. > > I slowed down after hurting my back so have not made the show for a > while. But this fall found some auctions close by that had some hit & > miss engines. I got bit with the ?bug? again. > > I ended up buying a 1 hp Economy Gasoline Engine ?Improved Model? > sn > SN33709 - (not sure of year or model but the casting has 5-23-13). > It is > missing some things and I have found and bought a gas tank and the gas > filler tube and a cart/truck and then started to look for a > carburetor. > Did you know that many of these engines do not have carburetors but > have > fuel mixers?? Who knew? And why would a small cart be called a truck?? > > So looking and asking around I found that there might be a J type fuel > mixer for the Economy but also a Luckenheimer fuel mixer was used. I > found one dealer that had one but it was stolen off his table at a > show. > So after posting a message on Smoke-stack I was pointed to some ebay > listings. One for a 1 inch RH and one for a ? inch RH or LH (not > sure) > Luckenheimer. I measured the pipe the mixer would screw into and it > was > about 1 inch. Looked at images of RH and LH mixers but how do you know > which was correct. I won the ebay auction and waited until it showed > up > in the mail. But like lumber what you ask for and what is measured > does > not match!!!! *&^(*&%%$%%^*** > > I now have a nice 1 inch RH Lunkenheimer but need I am pretty sure a > ? > inch LH Lunkenheimer fuel mixer. > > So DOES anyone have a ? inch LH Lunkenheimer for sale or know where I > and get one??? > Anyone need a nice 1 inch?? > > Once I have the mixer then I have to figure out how to get the > spark??? > > This is not like the McCormick Deering M at all. > > I would love to get this engine running before the new year. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. While I wait I am working on a 2.25 hp > Galloway, John Deere, Whitte and a Grey. All in pieces but it is cold > here in the winter. ? > > This is a great list and I enjoy reading it every day. I am on digest > mode so will see the emails only once a day. > Later > david > > > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cwja at telus.net Sat Nov 6 16:57:06 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:57:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto Message-ID: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 6 17:10:07 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:10:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: "recharging" the magnets is the SIMPLEST "fix" you could ask for! Where are you located? There must be someone on the LIST near you who can help you out! Dave On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Jeff & Marja Allen wrote: > > Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was > hoping > for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would > have > to have the mag recharged. Jeff Allen > ____________________________________ From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Nov 6 17:21:21 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 18:21:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: <09E658A707FA468ABE0ED34AEBE798D9@shop> Hi Jeff Yes the keeper will work but it shouldn't be a problem to put the whole mag in the charger. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff & Marja Allen Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 7 05:42:26 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:42:26 EST Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Message-ID: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/6/2010 6:46:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT Calm down Dave, the election is over for a while! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 06:12:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:12:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> References: <24146.54b95cfd.3a0806c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <318FBA8F-3241-4121-94A2-B0BD6CDB7224@me.com> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/6/2010 6:46:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT > > > > Calm down Dave, the election is over for a while! > > Tom Schmutz Are you kidding me Tom? The 2012 election cycle started November 3rd at 12:01 am! Hell I've already asked for an absentee ballott in order to vote early just in case I have an accident and do not live until the next election! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 7 06:29:05 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:29:05 EST Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Message-ID: <259cb.63d30825.3a0811b1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/2010 9:23:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: Hell I've already asked for an absentee ballott in order to vote early just in case I have an accident and do not live until the next election! Dave, I always knew you were one to think well in advance! Are you going to put a check mark for Sara? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 7 07:32:23 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:32:23 GMT Subject: [SEL] Fw: and another Message-ID: <20101107.103223.24240.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hi Gang, This was sent to me from a friend. Give a look. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: and another Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:56:42 -0400 http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/2046336717.html Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Look twice, be aware ? (_o_) Asshole drivers are everywhere" ____________________________________________________________ Scholarships for Moms Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cd6c6ae9bd6dcff31st04vuc From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 7 07:33:39 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:33:39 GMT Subject: [SEL] Fw: bessemer hit and miss on Craigslist Joe Message-ID: <20101107.103339.24240.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> This was also sent to me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Look twice, be aware ? (_o_) Asshole drivers are everywhere" ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "DJ" To: "Joe Betts" Subject: bessemer hit and miss on Craigslist Joe Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:55:26 -0400 http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/2046326742.html ____________________________________________________________ DEAL OF THE YEAR: 2010 Honda Civic for $1,734.09 SPECIAL REPORT: High ticket items are being auctioned for an incredible 90% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cd6c6eac8431cffa1st04vuc From jswords at mcn.net Sun Nov 7 10:38:12 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Dear Dave At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html I have placed images of my Economy. Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? Let me know what you think. Back to playing with my 'trucks'! later david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: > The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi > David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that > Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" > but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As > far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were > called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what > they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> > Dear All >> > >> > I think I need some help but first some background. >> > >> > Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working at a >> > Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >> > watch cut -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 16:20:40 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:20:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: Hi David, Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich. BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to Evansville IN. 3.) The model of your engine is CX 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 HP 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ........ Oh, never mind!) Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his book. You should buy a copy. Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > I have placed images of my Economy. > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > Let me know what you think. > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > later > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) > > On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: >> Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: >> The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi >> David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that >> Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" >> but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As >> far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were >> called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what >> they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> I think I need some help but first some background. >>>> >>>> Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working >>>> at a >>>> Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >>>> watch > cut > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 18:34:00 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:34:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> Message-ID: <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> Jeff If you can't find someone locally to charge your magneto you can send it to me along with return postage and I'll be happy to charge it for you. If you take the magnets off of the magneto you must keep a keeper on the magnets until they are reinstalled on the magneto. Even if you take take the keeper off for an instant it will loose much of its charge. Keith On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeff & Marja Allen wrote: > > Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping > for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have > to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse > point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone > around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ > rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone > charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in > place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into > its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet > was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening > in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in > the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if > you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 18:36:58 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> David Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the engine until you find the one you need. Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 7 18:53:13 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:53:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> Hi Keith, Do you have copies of Glenn's book on the SPARTA ECONOMY? What is the cost now? $12.00/$13.00? Does that include postage? David needs one! Dave On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > David > Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do > as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the > engine until you find the one you need. > Keith > > > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com From skipl130 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 7 19:34:22 2010 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> Message-ID: <34564.34723.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> i have a 1 horse economy #33658. it has the lunkenhiemer & has the same casting date.? skip ________________________________ From: David Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 5:20:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed Hi David, ??? Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled? "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: ??? ??? 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. ??? ??? 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine? Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich.? BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to ??? ??? ??? Evansville IN. ??? ??? 3.) The model of your engine is CX ??? ??? 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't? take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) ??? ??? 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4,? 6, 8, and 10 HP ??? ??? 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No? changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) ??? ??? 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on? it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a? "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ??? ??? ??? ........ Oh, never mind!) ??? Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his? book. You should buy a copy. ??? ??? Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female? adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > At http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > I have placed images of my Economy. > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > Let me know what you think. > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > later > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) > > On 11/7/2010 10:00 AM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: >> Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:33:54 -0400 From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed? >> To: >> The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: <06C9B4D1-6B5E-4BE2-A421-2F943969C2A9 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi >> David, A picture of your "Economy" would help a lot. I think that >> Hercules never built a 1 HP. Sears owned the trademark on "Economy" >> but the casting number 5-23-13 does not make any sense. Dave PS, As >> far as a cart being called a "truck" that is just what they were >> called. It's much like calling a DEMOCRAT an IDIOT! (That's just what >> they are called!) On Nov 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> I think I need some help but first some background. >>>> >>>> Over 20 years ago I saw some running hit and miss engines working? >>>> at a >>>> Colorado tractor show and thought it would be fun to have one and >>>> watch > cut > > -- > David McDonald? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Collector of Japanese Swords and Old? > Iron > PO Box 265? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT? 59270? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243? evenings? ? ? ? ? I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword? > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub&? Super A Farmall, IH 100&? 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Nov 7 21:29:22 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] No spark in the JD magneto In-Reply-To: <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> References: <4CD5EB52.8090002@telus.net> <230C78FA-61EE-4A7E-BE30-EB921B8E2A6C@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4CD78AB2.50108@xplornet.com> Hello Jeff, I understand your in Alberta. The Camrose Museum has a working magneto charger that they use. They may recharge the magneto magnets for you. Rupert On 11/7/2010 7:34 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Jeff > If you can't find someone locally to charge your magneto you can send it to me along with return postage and I'll be happy to charge it for you. If you take the magnets off of the magneto you must keep a keeper on the magnets until they are reinstalled on the magneto. Even if you take take the keeper off for an instant it will loose much of its charge. > Keith > > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Jeff& Marja Allen wrote: > >> >> Thanks to all for your responses regarding my John Deere . I was hoping >> for a simple cure but I guess right from the get go I knew I would have >> to have the mag recharged. BTW, I have timed the mag to the impulse >> point using the pin at the back of the mag. I now have to find someone >> around my neck of the woods who can recharge the mag magnet in situ >> rather than off the mag itself. I have seen on the Net where someone >> charged a Webster magnet off the mag itself and put a keeper bar in >> place on the side of the magnet while the magnet was placed down into >> its place on the actual mag. The keeper bar was slid up while the magnet >> was pushed home. Anyone tried that with the JD mag. If Vic is listening >> in to this thread, please send me an email or phone if you are still in >> the country. I'll try to call sometime this week regardless to see if >> you have charged a JD before. Jeff Allen >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Nov 7 21:35:31 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:35:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> References: <4CD6F214.8000201@mcn.net> <4D1EDF3F-3BAF-42FE-9D16-21A155E93702@herculesengines.com> <826E6903-E8A0-4786-85CC-479BA619E826@me.com> Message-ID: <5CD8AC9B-F386-4CD9-B633-70E00DB9171E@herculesengines.com> Yes Dave, I have copies of both the Sparta book and the Hercules book. $12.00 each postage paid. Keith On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:53 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Keith, Do you have copies of Glenn's book on the SPARTA ECONOMY? > What is the cost now? $12.00/$13.00? Does that include postage? David > needs one! > Dave > > On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > >> David >> Dave hit the nail on the head on all points. Nice engine. I'd do >> as he suggested and use an adaptor to put the mixer you have on the >> engine until you find the one you need. >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> Keith Kinney >> kkinney at herculesengines.com >> WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 8 07:53:24 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:53:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49BC6B0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) Jeff was the one posting the question about the engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E George: I'm sorry if I treated you like a newbie. I didn't know that you were familiar with flywheel engines. Good luck and let us know when you get it running. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Your post reminded me that many many years ago when I > was first getting into engines I bought a 3hp John > Deere locally. It was missing the factory magneto and > the owner of the engine had been trying to run this > ignitor engine off a battery and "buzz" coil! They had > bought a real nice engine buzz coil, not an old Model > T Ford coil. > > Anyway, the engine was cheap as they couldn't get it > to run and were giving up on it. So I got the engine > which was in pretty nice shape, plus the buzz coil > they had been using to no avail. > > Got it home and pulled out an old auto coil I had > laying around as I had no low tension coils, and > hooked up the one side like you mentioned in your > posting and had the engine running fine in a few > minutes! So I ended up with a running 3hp JD, plus > had a nice engine buzz coil that I found a use for > many years later. > > No longer have the JD engine but I probably still have > that buzz coil sitting on a shelf somewhere. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Nov 8 08:25:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:25:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > > Jeff was the one posting the question about the > engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Nov 8 08:55:45 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:55:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, Here's your apology. Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest mistake! ;-) George Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E George: I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > > Jeff was the one posting the question about the > engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 10:36:35 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:36:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Good idea George--let's get the List back to engines and stop this political stuff. This List is NO PLACE it! Dave PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > Elden, > > Here's your apology. > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > mistake! ;-) > > George > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > ] On Behalf Of Elden > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > George: > > I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > > I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Best, >> George >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >> >> >> Elden, >> >> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) >> >> Jeff was the one posting the question about the >> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of >> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. >> >> George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Nov 8 10:42:55 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: Nuf sed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > Elden, > > Here's your apology. > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which > is an honest mistake! ;-) > > George > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 8 16:48:35 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:48:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > Dave >PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? > >On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > > > Elden, > > > > Here's your apology. > > Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > > I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > > mistake! ;-) > > > > George > > > > Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > ] On Behalf Of Elden > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > > > George: > > > > I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > > DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > > > > I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of Best, > >> George > >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >> > >> > >> Elden, > >> > >> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > >> > >> Jeff was the one posting the question about the > >> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > >> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > >> > >> George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > > and any attachments from your system. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 17:20:44 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> Back off partner. I changed the e-mail from "all" to "most" because of you and your friendship! Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > >> Dave >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> Elden, >>> >>> Here's your apology. >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>> mistake! ;-) >>> >>> George >>> >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> ] On Behalf Of Elden >>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >>> >>> George: >>> >>> I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a >>> DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! >>> >>> I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Best, >>>> George >>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >>>> >>>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) >>>> >>>> Jeff was the one posting the question about the >>>> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of >>>> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. >>>> >>>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >>> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >>> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >>> error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >>> and any attachments from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Nov 8 17:24:27 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:24:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T Mark Shulaw wrote: > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > > >> Dave >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >> >>> Elden, >>> >>> Here's your apology. >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>> mistake! ;-) >>> >>> George >>> >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Nov 8 17:42:30 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:42:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of them. and I aint no democrat. Them's fighting words use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop using that oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER Broker Associate # 615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, & Equi-trak certified. GRI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Tallman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >> >> >> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >> >> >>> Dave >>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> Here's your apology. >>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>>> mistake! ;-) >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Nov 8 17:43:38 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <32D03DE8-2D44-4F5A-A27B-57F02A078848@me.com> Message-ID: <20101109014336.0ED699381@smtp.wcoil.com> ROTFLMAO Yes I so note now. GRINNNN Mark At 08:20 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >Back off partner. I changed the e-mail from "all" to "most" because of >you and your friendship! > Dave > >On Nov 8, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon > > at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. > > > > > > At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: > > > >> Dave > >> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? > >> > >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> > >>> Elden, > >>> > >>> Here's your apology. > >>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. > >>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest > >>> mistake! ;-) > >>> > >>> George > >>> > >>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> ] On Behalf Of Elden > >>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:25 AM > >>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >>> > >>> George: > >>> > >>> I've just got a case of the usual CRS Syndrome. I am NOT a > >>> DEMOCRAT!!!! You've just INSULTED me!!!!! > >>> > >>> I demand an apology, so help me Mitch McConnell, I do! :-) > >>> > >>> Take care - Elden > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >>>> Behalf Of Best, > >>>> George > >>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:53 AM > >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list > >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Elden, > >>>> > >>>> I think you got a bit confused. Are you a Democrat? ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Jeff was the one posting the question about the > >>>> engine, I was just posting a comment about the use of > >>>> a car coil when a low tension coil is not available. > >>>> > >>>> George > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > >>> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > >>> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > >>> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > >>> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > >>> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > >>> error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > >>> and any attachments from your system. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 18:08:24 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:08:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E In-Reply-To: <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <0A8EF857-3B1F-4074-A4D3-51B23CCAA4AD@me.com> I'm not sure Doug. I have trouble throwing the SILLY LITTLE THINGS 20 paces anymore! Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote: > I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! Doug T > > > Mark Shulaw wrote: >> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >> >> >> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >> >> >>> Dave >>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Elden, >>>> >>>> Here's your apology. >>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an honest >>>> mistake! ;-) >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Nov 8 18:09:25 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:09:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com> <4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com> <8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> Message-ID: <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> Hi Roger, And your point is???????? Dave On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of > them. and > I aint no democrat. > Them's fighting words > > use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop > using that > oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going > > Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office > R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd > Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER > Broker Associate # 615513 > 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax > REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, > & Equi-trak certified. GRI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Tallman" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > >> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! >> Doug T >> >> >> Mark Shulaw wrote: >>> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >>> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >>> >>> >>> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dave >>>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Elden, >>>>> >>>>> Here's your apology. >>>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an >>>>> honest >>>>> mistake! ;-) >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Nov 8 18:19:02 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:19:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytag stomping In-Reply-To: <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87784@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F49C87AA6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><20101109004832.B91619373@smtp.wcoil.com><4CD8A2CB.6090504@accnorwalk.com><8F3D8445AC0B45A9BFFCF356290D9EBD@RogerDiRusciPC> <4B0D8C91-9573-428E-A32C-B31B9D6E7C3D@me.com> Message-ID: <3BD8401160DC4964834A48FCB18F2EED@RogerDiRusciPC> You can't handle the point. and should not be given anything sharp. Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER Broker Associate # 615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, & Equi-trak certified. GRI ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag stomping > Hi Roger, And your point is???????? > Dave > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > >> Dave's Maytag's don't run because he plowed an axe into the top of >> them. and >> I aint no democrat. >> Them's fighting words >> >> use the kick peddle Dave. that's what it for. If Dave would stop >> using that >> oil gas mix of one million to one he could get his going >> >> Roger DiRuscio 510-226-2414 office >> R.E. Realty Experts 41051 Mission Blvd >> Fremont, Ca. 94539. NABPOP MEMBER >> Broker Associate # 615513 >> 510-676-3122 cell 510-623-6979 fax >> REO-PRO, RDC-PRO, Equator, Resnet, >> & Equi-trak certified. GRI >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Tallman" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E >> >> >>> I think your safe, Dave. We all know those Maytags won't fire!! >>> Doug T >>> >>> >>> Mark Shulaw wrote: >>>> Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >>>> at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:36 PM 11/8/2010, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> PS, Did you know most MAYTAG collectors are DEMOCRATS? >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Best, George wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Elden, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's your apology. >>>>>> Although I didn't say you were a Democrat. >>>>>> I'd just questioned it because of the confusion, which is an >>>>>> honest >>>>>> mistake! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> George >>>>>> >>>>>> Ps. No more political posts, let's get back to engines! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jswords at mcn.net Mon Nov 8 18:22:26 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:22:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Dear Dave, Keith and all I went back to the auction bill and there was no mention about the engines were used or new. So I ended up paying about 6 times the new price. Darn! Next time I will ask more questions before I buy. :) Good news - A number of collectors have contacted me about the fuel mixer and in the end a great fellow from Oregon had some extra 3/4 inch Lunks and he traded me for my 1 inch. Turns out he collects Stovers and I had (not sure where I picked it up) a Stover brass tag for a 18 hp. Thought he might find a use and told him I would send it with the 1" Lunk - he did not have a 18 hp but had a friend that did, so the tag will get a home. :) He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Looks like I will have the gas taken care of soon. Now to start working on the electrical. No problem getting a small 12 volt gel battery, looking now at coils. Might be fun to make one. Then to make a nice battery box. Has anyone seen an very good image of the labels on the old battery boxes?? I will send a private email to Keith to get the books. Sounds like good information. Thanks for the suggestion. I sure enjoy reading the emails from this list - even when they are about engines! :) Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? later and thanks again for all the help david Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:20:40 -0500 From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi David, Sorry for the delay, but I had trouble locating the Karch book titled "SPARTA" ECONOMY. From what Glenn writes I have gleaned the following: 1.) Your engine is indeed a 1 HP. 2.) It was built after Hercules bought the Holm's Machine Manufacturing Co. (in 1913) but likely manufactured in Sparta Mich. BEFORE all the Holm's equipment was moved to Evansville IN. 3.) The model of your engine is CX 4.) The engine sold new for $28.95. (I sure hope that someone didn't take advantage of you for buying a "used" engine!) 5.) A total of about 10,000 model CX engines were built in 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 HP 6.) In late 1913 the 1 HP engine was rerated to 1 1/2 HP. (No changes were made in the bore, stroke or RPM.) 7.) I pretty sure that your engine had a Lunkenheimer "Generator" on it and not a "J" mixer. (Yes Sparta called it a "generator" not a "mixer." It's kinda like calling a DEMOCRAT a ........ Oh, never mind!) Karch has many more details about the Sparta Economy engines in his book. You should buy a copy. Dave PS, You have a real piece of history there. Take good care of it! PPS, Good luck finding the "generator" you need! PPPS, Until you find a 3/4" Lunk you could use a 3/4 male to 1" female adapter. On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Dear Dave > > > > Athttp://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > I have placed images of my Economy. > > > > Sure looks like a 1 hp on the tag????? > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > Back to playing with my 'trucks'! > > > > later > > david (on digest mode so will be slow to answer) -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 19:18:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:18:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Good Job....I don't believe you need a checkvalve as the Lunk's "flutter valve" will act as a check and shut the fuel off when it's seated. Does it hurt..prolly not. Good Luck..sorry for the html gang. RickinMt. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Nov 8 20:15:27 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:15:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: Actually that is a check VALVE. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed He then talked me through some of the other things I would need or take care of one was a check value. He said he would include a check value with the 3/4 lunk. Good Job....I don't believe you need a checkvalve as the Lunk's "flutter valve" will act as a check and shut the fuel off when it's seated. Does it hurt..prolly not. Good Luck..sorry for the html gang. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Nov 9 09:45:24 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:45:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] No Spark on John Deere Model E/Duelling maytags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101109194300.00df2fb0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 09/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:48:35 -0500 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] ~RE: No Spark on John Deere Model E > > >Oh thems fightin words. I call you out to a duel Saturday High Noon >at Wapak! Maytags at 20 paces. Hi Mark, You had better be careful - don't forget that Dave's Maytag has an ax attached :-) Jerry From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 9 10:07:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: <52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD@me.com> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! You can see most of my collection at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It warms my heart to see what they can do! Dave PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the progress on your Economy! On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? > later and thanks again for all the help > david From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 15:50:27 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD@me.com> Message-ID: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Put on your hip waders and grab a big shovel before you open that link. ? Alan --- On Tue, 11/9/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:07 PM You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years? now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last!? You can see most of my collection at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm? particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It? warms my heart to see what they can do! ??? Dave PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the? progress on your Economy! On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > > Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? > later and thanks again for all the help > david _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 9 16:57:43 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <154770.56047.qm@web111722.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHOOOOOO! Alan, are you casting aspersions on my sincerity? Dave PS, I am hurt! On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Alan wrote: > Put on your hip waders and grab a big shovel before you open that > link. > > Alan > > --- On Tue, 11/9/10, David Rotigel wrote: > > > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:07 PM > > > You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years > now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! > You can see most of my collection at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm > particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It > warms my heart to see what they can do! > Dave > PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the > progress on your Economy! > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> >> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >> later and thanks again for all the help >> david > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 10 06:01:04 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Deer In for a Drink Message-ID: <20101110140022.86904933E@smtp.wcoil.com> Check out Blufftons famous citizen of the week, there are other videos if you go looking for them. Mark http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2010/11/deer-goes-berserk-in-ohio-bar-as-surveillance-cameras-roll.html Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jswords at mcn.net Thu Nov 11 20:56:04 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:56:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Dear Dave I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. Was it something like the images on the second row? http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html later david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years > now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! > You can see most of my collection at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm > particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It > warms my heart to see what they can do! > Dave > PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the > progress on your Economy! > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >> later and thanks again for all the help >> david > -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Nov 11 21:28:19 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: For Dave firing up a Maytag does involve a length of cannon fuse Roger DiRuscio, Broker, RDC-PRO, GRI. Equi-Trax, Resnet AMP & Equator Certified REO,BPO R.E. Realty Experts fax 510-623-6979 41051 Mission Blvd. Alameda County. Fremont, Ca 94539 DRE #615513 510-676-3122 cell 510-226-2444 Office Ham radio KG6QKZ CERT volunteer Sales since 1977. NABPOP Member, VREP ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMcDonald" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 >> From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years >> now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! >> You can see most of my collection at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm >> particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It >> warms my heart to see what they can do! >> Dave >> PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on the >> progress on your Economy! >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >>> later and thanks again for all the help >>> david >> > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 12 07:03:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:03:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Maytag In-Reply-To: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: <2898ff797178a72b7ebb6f693f5c31a1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> David, I think this is what Dave was referring to when he mentioned "firing" a Maytag. http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/fire.jpg Although, I do love YOUR approach!! 8-)) BTW, it seems like some of those photo links are broken? See ya, Arnie On Thu, November 11, 2010 11:56 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 12:21:17 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:21:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed In-Reply-To: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> References: <4CDCC8E4.4090305@mcn.net> Message-ID: Hi David, Your creativity is exceeded ONLY by your love of black powder! Dave PS, Would you mind if I added those to my MAYTAG FUN page? PPS, About the only good thing about a MAYTAG is that they seem to "run" exactly the same after something like this as they did before! On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > Dear Dave > > I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. > Was it something like the images on the second row? > > http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html > > later > david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:07:16 -0500 >> From: David Rotigel >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID:<52E49EE4-E81B-4F94-93CB-F72E095D4BDD at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> You have "outed" me David! I have been a MAYTAG collector for years >> now and it's actually a good feeling to be out of the closet at last! >> You can see most of my collection at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html I'm >> particularly pleased with the last one where I fired up a MAYTAG. It >> warms my heart to see what they can do! >> Dave >> PS, Glad you located the generator you need. Keep us up to date on >> the >> progress on your Economy! >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM, DMcDonald wrote: >>> Last - Dave are you the one that collects Magtags? >>> later and thanks again for all the help >>> david >> > > -- > David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old > Iron > PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com > Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net > 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword > hilts) > > Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G > McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 16:57:55 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:57:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very Interesting that Ken has not raised his head on all this. If I had killed someone, raped someone, attempted to take drugs across the border, or failed to pay a parking ticket I sure as hell would have owned up to it and told my friends--VERY FUNNY! Dave On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote: > It would be my feeling that Ken forgot to pay some driving tickets > as we > all know what he drove around in. I have a friend that was band from > Canada > for 5 years this year as he had a DWI 3 years ago. If the USA has > to worry > about Ken Meeks being a threat to my country were in deep shit. > KK > > > In a message dated 10/28/2010 12:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jdohagan at comcast.net writes: > > YOU BETCHA! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:27 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors > + Hitand > Miss Engines > > Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything? > Dave > > On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > >> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + >> Hitand >> Miss Engines >> >> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you >> anything >> about the 5 year ban and why he got it? I've had no problem getting >> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked >> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else >> found anything? >> Dave >> >> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> >>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM >>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and >>> Miss >>> Engines >>> >>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM >>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss >>> Engines >>> >>> >>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts >>>> >>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". >>>> Put your >>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >>>> >>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584 >>>> >>>> Notice from Enginads: >>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit >>>> money >>>> orders! >>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking >>>> price. >>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or >>>> their >>>> shipper. >>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you >>>> are >>>> responsible! >>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers >>>> to >>>> report abuse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 12 17:16:49 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:16:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc> References: <0EC286DD69DF46D8A6D25804FE105A65@VALUED3253602F> <97528C3A-46EF-4387-A88E-F5F4E5A09CE8@me.com> <284EE0CCB8584BA9B55F4251F1C11E90@regpc> Message-ID: <6058F52E-DE8A-478A-9C72-A9C5CACC4967@me.com> Don't hold your breath Reg. Kenny IS NOT talking! How can you be sure that the "error" was not intended? Unless you mean that getting caught was not intended! Dave On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Forgetting the bullshit side, most of us would like to see the facts > of what > occurred, if only to be aware of it all. > I am sure the 'error' was not intended, knowing most engine folk are > FAR > superior to Pollies. > (if you want pollie shit, see what this lot here are trying to work > on us re > their 'energy plan' etc.) > Enough! The blood pressure is rising!! > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + > Hitand > Miss Engines > > >> Thanks Jimmy, Do you think Ken's silence means anything? >> Dave >> >> On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> >>> No Dave, What you read here was the total conversation. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:57 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + >>> Hitand >>> Miss Engines >>> >>> Wow Jimmy--that's an INTERESTING discussion! Did Ken tell you >>> anything >>> about the 5 year ban and why he got it? I've had no problem getting >>> on SMOKSTAK. Has anyone else experienced difficulty? I just checked >>> and Ken has put nothing on SMOKSTAK that I can find. Has anyone else >>> found anything? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >>> >>>> Here's a discussion that I had with Ken last week. Cya, Jimmy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pauline and Ken meeks [mailto:kenmeeks at rogers.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:32 PM >>>> To: jdohagan at comcast.net >>>> Subject: Re: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and >>>> Miss >>>> Engines >>>> >>>> I tryed but Iam not up to date on Smokestack but will try aagain. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:34 PM >>>> Subject: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss >>>> Engines >>>> >>>> >>>>> For Sale: Lots of engine parts >>>>> >>>>> Wow,your the first person that I know to make the "NO FLY List". >>>>> Put your >>>>> experance on Smokestack. It might help others. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >>>>> >>>>> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=42584 >>>>> >>>>> Notice from Enginads: >>>>> Beware of SCAMMERS with forged cashier's checks or counterfeit >>>>> money >>>>> orders! >>>>> The scheme will involve a check made out for more than your asking >>>>> price. >>>>> They will want you to quickly WIRE excess money back to them or >>>>> their >>>>> shipper. >>>>> Your bank will not so politely inform you after the fact that you >>>>> are >>>>> responsible! >>>>> Sender's originating IP address: 76.102.181.36 - Use these numbers >>>>> to >>>>> report abuse. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 12 17:22:28 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:22:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:57 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I killed someone, raped someone, attempted to take drugs > across the border, failed to pay a parking ticket, and I sure as hell > owned up to it Did you own up to it to get a more lenient sentence? From rotigel at me.com Sat Nov 13 05:20:18 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: A message about your ad on Antique Tractors + Hitand Miss Engines In-Reply-To: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> References: <6AFE12DB-8313-4E3D-A50B-76B585900794@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1DF5DDA4-DCDA-4398-8D6E-A48407277CA5@me.com> Yes! On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Did you own up to it to get a more lenient sentence? > From jswords at mcn.net Sat Nov 13 11:10:08 2010 From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:10:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy 1 hp --- to Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> Dear Dave Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. We might start a fad. Maytag launching! later david > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:21:17 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy 1 HP fuel mixer needed > To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi David, Your creativity is exceeded ONLY by your love of black powder! > Dave > PS, Would you mind if I added those to my MAYTAG FUN page? > PPS, About the only good thing about a MAYTAG is that they seem to > "run" exactly the same after something like this as they did before! > > On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, DMcDonald wrote: > >> Dear Dave >> >> I did not see any of your images where you FIRED up a MAYTAG. >> Was it something like the images on the second row? >> >> http://www.montanairon.com/stationaryenginesimages.html >> >> later >> david (waiting for a Lunk - it is in the mail) >> -- David McDonald Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron PO Box 265 WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com Sidney MT 59270 email - jswords at mcn.net 406-482-3243 evenings I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts) Owner of White IH Cub& Super A Farmall, IH 100& 130, 140, AC G McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 14 08:38:03 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:38:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> Message-ID: <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi David, For a number of years we've discussed having a "Maytag Launching" at Portland. Catapults & Trebuchets were the main launchers considered. The venue was to be the area where they do the plowing demonstrations. One day fer sure... See ya, Arnie On Sat, November 13, 2010 2:10 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > > Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. > We might start a fad. Maytag launching! From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 14 08:53:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:53:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] So you think you can ride a Motorcycle? References: <359475.46852.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37A04B52-4AFF-45A4-A15B-D6B4559BE716@me.com> If you look carefully in the mirror I think you will all see that the guy on the bike looks a hell of a lot like Reg. Wasn't he there several years ago for several engine shows? Dave > > So you think you can ride a Motorcycle? > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/27/video-moscow-motorcyclists-crazy-high-speed-commute/#continued > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Nov 14 09:30:00 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:30:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark At 11:38 AM 11/14/2010, you wrote: >Hi David, > >For a number of years we've discussed having a "Maytag Launching" at >Portland. >Catapults & Trebuchets were the main launchers considered. The >venue was to be the >area where they do the plowing demonstrations. > >One day fer sure... > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, November 13, 2010 2:10 pm, DMcDonald wrote: > > > > Yes please add my images to your Maytag fun page. > > We might start a fad. Maytag launching! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 14 10:23:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: heh-heh-heh http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx On Sun, November 14, 2010 12:30 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet > using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You > could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Nov 14 10:49:47 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:49:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Launching In-Reply-To: References: <4CDEE290.8000200@mcn.net> <0849f202ba375f740b31ccd9b93c7e16.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20101114172958.5E9A793D6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4CE02F4B.7020202@accnorwalk.com> Hard to believe that was 92! Seems like yesterday. Reading that story brought back a lot of old time memories of the hobby. There's been a LOT of water under the bridge since that was written!! Doug T Arnie Fero wrote: > heh-heh-heh > > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx > > On Sun, November 14, 2010 12:30 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >> We launched Maytag years ago at Hoosier Flywheelers fall swap meet >> using the Consuelo Manufacturing Catapult built by Paul Shelton. You >> could check with Paul to see if that launcher still survives. GRINN Mark >> > > > > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 23:17:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:17:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: We managed to get the sideshaft flywheel off my 1909 Austral on the weekend. The keyway on the flywheel has had a hard life and will need a little work: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct2.jpg While the crankshaft itself is not bad: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct4.jpg The engine is now stored with its younger sibling (1917 3.5hp portable) until I have the parts & free time to finish it: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/austral351/351_2010oct1.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 15 05:05:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:05:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Austral progress Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: The keyway on the flywheel has had a hard life and will need a little work: Patrick, The shaft keyway sure has had some hard knocks in life. What is the plan to repair it? I am sure there are a number of options that other folks have used over they years when rebuilding an engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 15 09:14:14 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> Message-ID: <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Hello Group, My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture at He would like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. Any help appreciated. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From pcgray at zoominternet.net Mon Nov 15 12:58:13 2010 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:58:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag launching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> Arnie- Around here in "Slower Delaware" we have Punkin Chunkin.... maybe a midwestern venue for an alternate projectile would be in order to help our chuckers prep in the off-season.. http://www.punkinchunkin.com/main.htm Paul Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:23:35 -0500 From: "Arnie Fero" Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Launching To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 heh-heh-heh http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/The-Catapult.aspx From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 15 13:54:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag launching In-Reply-To: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> References: <9D49B357-2E43-4891-9E27-5388F16C564A@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <664a05a978b4b4b65397296c2d120e7e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Paul, Ever since I first heard about Punkin' Chunkin' I've wanted to go. And each year, come chunkin' time I've been out of vacation! One day fer sure!! Sounds like a hoot! See ya, Arnie On Mon, November 15, 2010 3:58 pm, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote: > > Around here in "Slower Delaware" we have Punkin Chunkin.... maybe a > midwestern venue for an alternate projectile would be in order to help > our chuckers prep in the off-season.. > http://www.punkinchunkin.com/main.htm From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Nov 15 15:24:34 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net>,<4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; Whats the make of the crane ? Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > > Hello Group, > My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > at He would > like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > Any help appreciated. > > Rupert > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 15 17:16:03 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:16:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net>, <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CE1DB53.5000009@xplornet.com> I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far but we haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about 25 miles away. Rupert On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > Whats the make of the crane ? > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted >> >> Hello Group, >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture >> at He would >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Rupert >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Nov 15 18:50:57 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:50:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4CE1DB53.5000009@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101115214420.03a8ec70@ncweb.com> Cab styling is almost like B-E, but not as blended. What you can see thru the cab front looks B-E. About a 15-B or a slightly larger older mode. 20-B or so. However, I suspect it's something else. KOSH At 08:16 PM 11/15/2010, you wrote: > I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far > but we >haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. >Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to >get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free >up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather >is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about >25 miles away. > >Rupert > >On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > Whats the make of the crane ? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > >> > >> Hello Group, > >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > >> at He would > >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > >> Any help appreciated. > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- > >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Nov 15 18:52:23 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:52:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted video Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101115215142.037c3250@ncweb.com> Here is a B-e 15-B for comparison... http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/45/to12poYOc1E Cab styling is almost like B-E, but not as blended. What you can see thru the cab front looks B-E. About a 15-B or a slightly larger older mode. 20-B or so. However, I suspect it's something else. KOSH At 08:16 PM 11/15/2010, you wrote: > I wish I knew. We haven't found any markings on the crane so far > but we >haven't been able to get a good look inside yet as the door is seized. >Lots of parts have enough crud on them to hide a name plate too. Hope to >get to it again this week end with some penetrating oil to try to free >up the door. I also hope to get a better look inside. But, the weather >is turning sour here so plans may have to change. The dragline is about >25 miles away. > >Rupert > >On 11/15/2010 4:24 PM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > Whats the make of the crane ? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:14:14 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Drag line engine ID wanted > >> > >> Hello Group, > >> My son-in-law acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a picture > >> at He would > >> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. > >> Also, he is looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is missing. > >> Any help appreciated. > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >-- > >yvt > >Rupert Wenig >Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 16 07:39:26 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:39:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Nov 16 08:18:41 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:18:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> Hi George, The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long periods of time. As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe across a damp sponge. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: [SEL] American Beauty Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? George From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Nov 16 09:35:01 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:35:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> Message-ID: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark At 11:18 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Hi George, > >The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and >then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically >controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes >the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle >around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should >be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long >periods of time. > >As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe >across a damp sponge. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM >Subject: [SEL] American Beauty > > >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an >American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately >it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, >it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty >soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new >replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 >copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip >won't last as long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? >Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a >tip? > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 16 10:04:56 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:04:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D4BFC@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Mark, You must have the "George" filter turned on to delete my postings ;-) Jim, According to American Beauty my soldering iron should heat up to 1000f. Don't know when I'll ever get around to it, but thought a heavy duty iron like this might be handy if I wanted to solder up some gas tanks for a few of my engines. In an earlier time and hobby stage I did a lot of stained glass window work. Have windows and lamps in several houses and also taught glass classes in the 70's for a few years. So I've worn out a fair number of sponges cleaning tips. Haven't cut any glass in over 20 years now. Although I've still got a fair amount of glass and lead stuffed away in the barn. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] American Beauty Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark At 11:18 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Hi George, > >The better soldering iron tips are iron plated copper and >then pre-tinned. The better irons are also thermostatically >controlled so they don't "idle" nearly as hot which makes >the tips last a very long time. Your iron should idle >around 800 degrees. Keep it well tinned and clean it should >be ok for you. Avoid leaving it on doing nothing for long >periods of time. > >As a tip you can clean the tinned tip by giving it wipe >across a damp sponge. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:39 AM >Subject: [SEL] American Beauty > > >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an >American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately >it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, >it did heat up. You can still buy new American Beauty >soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new >replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 >copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip >won't last as long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? >Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a >tip? > >George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 16 10:18:28 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <93120CE0DC26486BBA67BBA3C85F8416@Desktop> <20101116173458.280CA92DF@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <95fcd7da29b1289c0054e736c05c9f03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Are you using a Mac (instead of a real computer)? 8-)) On Tue, November 16, 2010 12:35 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Curious, I got Jims response to George but never got Georges original > note. Checked all my filters trash bins and nothing. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 10:15:09 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:15:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 16 November 2010 15:39, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. ?Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. ?You can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. ?I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. ?I know a pure copper tip won't last as long, but should still work. > > Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? ?Also any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > > George We have some thermostatically controlled irons, 150W and 200W, but the most useful one is the old-fashioned solid copper bit type that we bought for $3 in a surplus store in Phoenix AZ. Yes it needs a gas toprch to heat it up, but is has a far bigger heat reserve than the electrical ones. As far as copper bits go, almost any copper grade would do, but bear in mind that you will always get tip erosion from the solder, which is why modern ones are plated. Had to get up on our flat roof the other day to plug some holes in the lead sheeting left by the builders, the electrical irons worked OK as it was only 1.8mm (0.071") thick lead. Had it been much thicker then the solid copper iron would have been called into play. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Nov 16 12:20:29 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (DAVID OTTO) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:20:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Hi George You might check with Lauren; I think he used to have some complete irons. Maybe he has some tips as well Dave On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w > soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I > plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American > Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for > the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a > piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper > tip won't last as long, but should still work. > > Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any > comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > > George > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 16 16:46:22 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:46:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4CE325DE.4070402@xplornet.com> I have a 200W and a 300W electric soldering iron. The tip in them is a plain copper rod held in place with a set screw. The outer end on one is tapered like a chisel point. The other one has a diamond shape tip. The tips are tinned with solder. Works real well for soldering large objects such as tanks. Make sure the tips fit loose in the element if you make them to make room for the oxides that form. Otherwise, the tips will be difficult to remove later should the need arise. Rupert On 11/16/2010 1:20 PM, DAVID OTTO wrote: > Hi George > > You might check with Lauren; I think he used to have some complete irons. > Maybe he has some tips as well > > Dave > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w >> soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the tip, but when I >> plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can still buy new American >> Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, but the new replacement tip for >> the 300w one is around $50 plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a >> piece of 7/8" C100 copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper >> tip won't last as long, but should still work. >> >> Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any >> comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? >> >> George >> >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail >> and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 16 19:00:23 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:00:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> I hope to get to the drag line this week end. Do you or anyone else know where I'm likely to find a name plate for the crane? All that is left of the engine plate on the bell housing is the four corners as can be seen in the picture so that one isn't much help. Thanks so much. Rupert On 11/16/2010 3:46 PM, Larry Goss wrote: >> From what I know of the company (I updated all their IPL's in the mid-70's) B-E never made their own engines. Those were purchased items from everyone under the sun. > > We were working with original drawings that dated from 1935 on some of the product lines. At one time, I had a complete set of aperture cards that contained every drawing for their 20-ton drag line. Unfortunately, I got tired of "carrying it around" so I could use it as a demo for my students of what such body of documents looked like -- around 3500 computer cards. I finally pitched it in the trash. > > Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charlie hill > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 16:08 > Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > >> Dave, I took the pictures to my friend and he says it is a >> Bucyrus. He >> says smaller than a 15B maybe a 11 or 12 but he couldn't recall >> the numbers. >> We have another friend that would know right off the top of his >> head but >> it's hard to get up with him sometimes.. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dave Merchant" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:10 PM >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted >> >>> Bantam is what came to me too. >>> >>> I hope to eventually get a machine to keep at Brownsville. >>> >>> Dave Merchant >>> >>> >>> At 07:36 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Almost looks like a Bantam, They used a lot of Buda engines. >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Mattias Kess?n >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group >> >>>> Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 11:59:41 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted >>>> >>>> I have no clue but what a cool rig. I would love to see that >> one working. >>>> >>>> Mattias >>>> >>>> 2010/11/15 Rupert >>>> >>>>> Hello Group, >>>>> My son-in-law >> acquired a dragline on the week end. I posted a >>>>> picture >>>>> at >> He >>>>> would >>>>> like some help confirming the brand or maker of the engine. >>>>> Also, he is >> looking for a magneto for the engine as the mag is >>>>> missing. >>>>> Any help appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Rupert >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> yvt >>>>> >>>>> Rupert Wenig >>>>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >>>>> >>>>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>>> >>>>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >>> Dave Merchant >>> kosh at nesys.com >>> dmerchant at layerzero.com >>> >>> http://www.nesys.com >>> http://www.nesys.org >>> YouTube: SteamCrane >>> >>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps >>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) >>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." >>> - Prof. Phil Jones >>> - Director, >> Climatic Research Unit >>> - School of >> Environmental Sciences >>> - University >> of East Anglia >>> - Norwich, UK >>> - To: Michael >> Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Nov 16 23:11:30 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101117020956.0c731070@ncweb.com> On most cranes, the builders + data plates are on the partition between the operator + drums. However, this machine doesn't have the partition going down far enough. Possibly on the lower plate in front of the operator, or on the draw works frame, maybe on the off side. On most cranes, the name is also cast into the counterweight. Although superficially B-E shaped, everything is wrong for that. Sloped plate on the off side is too low for B-E. I'm convinced it's a Schield Bantam. which were very good machines. Sold out to Koehring in 1963. http://www.schieldbantam.org/ This PDF has some good pix that confirm the id. Note the extremely compact draw works. http://web.augsburg.edu/~schield/SchieldFamily/SchieldB.pdf Dave Merchant Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From weolson at wiktel.com Wed Nov 17 08:38:29 2010 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:38:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> Hi George, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:39:26 AM, you wrote: BG> Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American BG> Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing BG> the tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You BG> can still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement BG> tips, but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 BG> plus shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 BG> copper rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't BG> last as long, but should still work. BG> Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also BG> any comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? BG> George BG> SEL mailing list BG> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com BG> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel When I was taking my first Radio-Electronics classes at a trade school the instructor suggested (insisted) that we get an American Beauty 100 watt iron to use. He then instructed us how to maintain the tip, which was not plated in those days, about 50 years ago. When the tip needed work, he had us remove the tip and beat the tip to the proper shape with a hammer on a iron block (anvil), then file it smooth. As the tip was heating up we would re-tin it with solder as soon as it would melt the solder. I still have the iron & it still works. -- Thanks, William Olson, Rosevelt, MN mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus From George_Best at adp.com Wed Nov 17 09:21:35 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:21:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1858061817.20101117103829@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A187063@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> William, When I did stained glass years ago I used a sal-ammoniac block to keep my soldering tips well tinned. When the 1" copper rod I ordered arrives, I'll machine it to the specs listed on the American Beauty website. http://www.americanbeautytools.com/site/models/st/76 Thought it was pretty nice that they provide a drawing of the tip with all the measurements! I'll have to look through my old stuff and see if I still have my sal-ammoniac block, but if not you can still buy them and I should have one if I think I might start doing much soldering. Would like to learn how to make my own gas tanks. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Olson Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:38 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] American Beauty Hi George, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:39:26 AM, you wrote: When I was taking my first Radio-Electronics classes at a trade school the instructor suggested (insisted) that we get an American Beauty 100 watt iron to use. He then instructed us how to maintain the tip, which was not plated in those days, about 50 years ago. When the tip needed work, he had us remove the tip and beat the tip to the proper shape with a hammer on a iron block (anvil), then file it smooth. As the tip was heating up we would re-tin it with solder as soon as it would melt the solder. I still have the iron & it still works. -- Thanks, William Olson, Rosevelt, MN mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by AVG AntiVirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Nov 17 09:52:27 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:52:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Has anyone dealt with Jacks Small Engines - what are they like ?? I'm having a bit of a problem placing an order with them for a few Briggs parts. Are they normally good to deal with or difficult? Or maybe I'm just having a problem because I'm from Africa (and they do not know where that is) :-( Don't suggest their online store to me as that's where the problem began !! As with many businesses in the USA they use UPS (but also offer USPS) and do not deliver to P.O.Box numbers. In Africa things are different and the only delivery option I have is to a box number. There is NO Street postal delivery available in my area - we all use P.O.Box No's. (I've "got through to their skulls" on that part and they agree to send by USPS (where a P.O.Box No. is acceptable).) When I try their online store I can only get as far as the address part and it will not accept the P.O.Box No. They also offer a "print out and mail in form" but when I e-mail this to them it seems to confuse them (how can a "mail in" form come by e-mail ????) and I get an e-mail back from them saying I must use their online store or Toll Free telephone number - no amount of explaining the problem to them seems to be "sinking in" to the woman I'm dealing with. She also does not understand that the "Toll Free No." is only toll free in the USA and an international call to it would cost more than the parts I need. I have written long explanations but she seems not to read them or understand them (I think my English is quite understandable !!) Alternatively can anyone suggest a better supplier for Briggs parts (piston rings, gaskets, carb kit etc.). I also looked at Tulsa Warehouse but they only ship to the continental USA. Many thanks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Nov 17 09:56:32 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:56:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi George, Your original email finally came through to me. !! YAHHHH These old electric coppers are really nice to use. I have two or three of the 300 W AB irons. As well as numerous smaller ones. I have one of their 550 Watt monsters. What a beauty to solder tank seams with or solder large electrical connections. I see no reason why you could not make your own tip and use it. It might erode faster then the modern tips but it can't be any worse then the original tip that likely was solid copper on the one you have. I know a fellow who used to rep a brand of Solder coppers years ago and I know he still has some parts. I do not remember if it was American Beauty or not. Will check and let you know if he has what you need. Mark At 10:39 AM 11/16/2010, you wrote: >Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American >Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. Unfortunately it was missing the >tip, but when I plugged it in to test it, it did heat up. You can >still buy new American Beauty soldering irons and replacement tips, >but the new replacement tip for the 300w one is around $50 plus >shipping. I'm thinking of just taking a piece of 7/8" C100 copper >rod and making my own tip. I know a pure copper tip won't last as >long, but should still work. > >Anyone on the list have one of these big soldering irons? Also any >comments on just using some C100 copper to make a tip? > >George > > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of >the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and >confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended >recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication >is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message >and any attachments from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 17 10:21:18 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:21:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001f01cb8684$3ac53980$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Jerry: Send me your needs oof list and I will try to get it for you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: "SEL List" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines > Hi Guys, > Has anyone dealt with Jacks Small Engines - what are they like ?? > > I'm having a bit of a problem placing an order with them for a few > Briggs parts. Are they normally good to deal with or difficult? Or maybe > I'm just having a problem because I'm from Africa (and they do not know > where that is) :-( > > Don't suggest their online store to me as that's where the problem > began !! As with many businesses in the USA they use UPS (but also offer > USPS) and do not deliver to P.O.Box numbers. In Africa things are > different > and the only delivery option I have is to a box number. There is NO Street > postal delivery available in my area - we all use P.O.Box No's. > (I've "got through to their skulls" on that part and they agree > to send by USPS (where a P.O.Box No. is acceptable).) > > When I try their online store I can only get as far as the address > part and it will not accept the P.O.Box No. > > They also offer a "print out and mail in form" but when I e-mail > this to them it seems to confuse them (how can a "mail in" form come by > e-mail ????) and I get an e-mail back from them saying I must use their > online store or Toll Free telephone number - no amount of explaining the > problem to them seems to be "sinking in" to the woman I'm dealing with. > She > also does not understand that the "Toll Free No." is only toll free in the > USA and an international call to it would cost more than the parts I need. > > I have written long explanations but she seems not to read them or > understand them (I think my English is quite understandable !!) > > Alternatively can anyone suggest a better supplier for Briggs > parts (piston rings, gaskets, carb kit etc.). I also looked at Tulsa > Warehouse but they only ship to the continental USA. > > Many thanks. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 13:58:21 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:58:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? Message-ID: Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 Does anyone know this guy? Dave From langer5 at xplornet.ca Wed Nov 17 14:34:41 2010 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:34:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> Must be the latest get rich quick scheme. There is not much information given about this guy. I think this is a case of buyer beware. Larry. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] ???????? Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 Does anyone know this guy? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 15:56:47 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Send them all to me. I will charge them for only $49.97. Alan --- On Wed, 11/17/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: [SEL] ???????? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:58 PM Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 ???Does anyone know this guy? ??? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 17:08:46 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <426740.99722.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Get in on the discussion at http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=580629&posted=1#post580629 Alan. It may get INTERESTING and, who knows, you may make some money! Dave PS, Did you know that if the magnets are not charged the mag will not work? On Nov 17, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Alan wrote: > Send them all to me. > I will charge them for only $49.97. > Alan > > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, David Rotigel wrote: > > > From: David Rotigel > Subject: [SEL] ???????? > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:58 PM > > > Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 > Does anyone know this guy? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 17:13:59 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> References: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> Message-ID: <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> Ted used to get a BIG KICK out of charging someone's magnets and getting their engine running. Mark charges nothing at a show, nor does Bill. Perhaps we are entering into a new world--See: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?p=580629&posted=1#post580629 Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Larry Anger wrote: > Must be the latest get rich quick scheme. There is not much > information > given about this guy. I think this is a case of buyer beware. > > Larry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:58 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ???????? > > Anyone else look at this and wonder WTK? See: > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=43604 > Does anyone know this guy? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 17:37:09 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:37:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover Message-ID: Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. From rotigel at me.com Wed Nov 17 18:09:10 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> Contact Joe Maurer at toadhill at aeroinc.net Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a > vertical > Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in > advance, > Jimmy, Novato, Ca. From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 18:33:17 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:33:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> References: <6AD1C9A3-59C3-4D4B-B6F6-4E2B39036266@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Contact Joe Maurer at toadhill at aeroinc.net Dave On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a > vertical > Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in > advance, > Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 17 18:37:27 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:37:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ???????? In-Reply-To: <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> References: <41D5C69784734A17AB7127E41DEAA8AF@larryf92159205> <22A923DB-3A5A-43F0-A47F-50F05C815BF3@me.com> Message-ID: On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:13 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Ted used to get a BIG KICK out of charging someone's magnets and > getting their engine running. Mark charges nothing at a show, nor does > Bill. Perhaps we are entering into a new world Hey, Dave. It seems kind of half-assed, if you ask me. It's like a shoe salesman who only sells shoes for left feet. More than likely, a twitchy magneto is going to need more than a magnet charging. Everyone assumes that if a mag doesn't spark, you just lay some gauss on it and everything will be fine. That ain't the case. If the bloke can't do it all, he might as well not bother getting started in the first place and relieving some poor sap of his cash. I've "charged" the occasional magneto for friends, and quite often ended up doing a LOT of extra work. For a while, I was refurbishing and peddling magnetos to strangers. Sometimes customers couldn't make their engines run, so it was a problem with the mag, of course. That results in troubleshooting an engine over the phone, and a lot of wasted time. Doing quality work, packaging, shipping, and customer relations take a LOT of time. So if you ask me, paying to JUST get your magnets charged is grasping at straws, and expecting to get any sort of workmanship for a mere fifty dollars is equally optimistic. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 18 01:13:46 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Jacks Small Engines/update In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20101117192618.00d74ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101118105318.00dfada0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies both on and "off list" - I have replied to each "off list" separately but do seem to have not received all the responses so if you did not get a reply then I apologise. Arnie mentioned one from Mike - which I never got and Mike (as with most other list members) is "whitelisted" in my server rules so I do not know what happened to his reply (but it may have been to the SEL and I only get the SEL digest version which is due in about 8 hours time). As a matter of fact, I never even got my original post back (from Oldengine list). I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the list server or something on our side. The replies just served to strengthen my belief that you are all such a great bunch of people and many offered to get the parts for me and post them on to me. Thank you all, I do appreciate that. What I have done for now is I've attempted to "fool the system". We have 11 official languages in South Africa so I went back to Jacks Online Store and placed the order. When I came to the address part I entered this in Afrikaans (one of our languages) which bears no resemblance to a P.O.Box Number in English and the order was accepted and confirmed. Time will tell but I'm sure it will work. Once again, thanks to all. Jerry At 09:10 PM 17/11/2010, you wrote: >ROFLMAO!!! Welcome to the world of "Hire the Handicapped." >FWIW, we all have to deal with idiots like this one, and they seem to be >getting >more common. Good luck. > >BTW, two other things to possibly try. FAX in the order or snail mail it? >Although given the level of idiot you seem to be dealing with, I'd not >predict success. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - I think Mike Royster's offer is your best shot. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Nov 18 08:05:21 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:05:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> 1914 is the year, but Joe Maurer will need to look up the actual shipping date for you. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:37 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Stover Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Nov 18 08:39:44 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:39:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A1DDB3E@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <15BF5B991BF442CF877F9BA84FA1EBF4@VALUED3253602F> Thanks George, I contacted Joe and he is working on it. I guess Chas passed the records on to him. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover 1914 is the year, but Joe Maurer will need to look up the actual shipping date for you. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:37 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Stover Hello everyone, Does anyone on the list have any information for a vertical Stover YC 61495. DOB and anything elese would be great! Thanks in advance, Jimmy, Novato, Ca. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Nov 18 19:17:59 2010 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe Maurer) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:17:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Info for Jimmy O'Hagan Message-ID: <39FD45A3FB304DB395FE187C5DA04C3A@toadhill> Jimmy, Just got your email but did go to the museum today. Your Stover engine #61495 is listed in the records as a type YC 6hp. vertical shipped to C.H. Ward, Felton, California on March 28, 1914. I'll send you a regular email also. Best Regards, Joe From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 00:05:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:05:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: On 16 November 2010 15:39, Best, George wrote: > Was in a second hand store this weekend and bought an American Beauty 300w soldering iron for $3. A lot of the resins and chemical fluxes are now banned in the UK on 'Health & Safety' grounds, so we have stockpiled a selection of them for our use at the factory, where we make up 50mm and 35mm sq cables and connectors for our chargers. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 19 07:54:37 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:54:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes Message-ID: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya, Arnie From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 08:32:34 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Arnie, There was talk about it on the Practical Machinist board several years ago and "those in the know" said it works well. I Have been able to avoid buying anything like that by making friends with a guy with a wire edm and a sinker edm. I don't ask him to do it very often, but when I walk into his shop with a piece in one hand and a case of Leinenkugel's in the other, he knows what I am up to......... Cool video, you can learn a lot on Youtube. I am interested in improving my sheet metal fabrication skills and have been studying up on metal spinning. I am going to stock up on Band-aids and give it a try. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 11/19/10, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes To: "Old Engine List" , "Stationary Engine List" Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:54 AM Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it.? What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work?? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya,? Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Fri Nov 19 08:33:56 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:33:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4CE6A6F4.70002@xplornet.com> Arnie, I have never owned one but apparently Watts Brothers Tool Works in PA. still make square hole drills. I couldn't find a web site for hem. Why not just make one? A Reuleaux triangle shouldn't be that hard to make. (grin) Rupert On 11/19/2010 8:54 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Folks, > > I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. > I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? > > Has anyone here tried one of these? > How well does it work? Where would one buy one? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw > > See ya, Arnie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Nov 19 09:33:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:33:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <948072.40930.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36c6cbb7d6621a8a3d24e863530a4e36.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Joe, Man, having a bud with EDM gear is awesome! I wonder what he would do for you if you brought him real beer instead of Leinie's? 8-)) Please post your experiences with metal spinning as you get into it. Some guys did that in high school metal shop and it looked really neat. I've planned to give it a try myself, but just haven't gotten a round tuit yet. See ya, Arnie On Fri, November 19, 2010 11:32 am, Joe Prindle wrote: > There was talk about it on the Practical Machinist board several years ago and > "those in the know" said it works well. I Have been able to avoid buying anything > like that by making friends with a guy with a wire edm and a sinker edm. I don't ask > him to do it very often, but when I walk into his shop with a piece in one hand and > a case of Leinenkugel's in the other, he knows what I am up to......... > Cool video, you can learn a lot on Youtube. I am interested in improving my sheet > metal fabrication skills and have been studying up on metal spinning. I am going to > stock up on Band-aids and give it a try. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Nov 19 15:37:18 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:37:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] American Beauty In-Reply-To: <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <4CD8B062.9060504@mcn.net> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F4A0D45D7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <20101117175628.1B4BE93BA@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20101119233716.3AD339350@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Again, I got ahold of Bill and yes he sold American Beauty but he has gotten rid of all the parts. We talked a bit about them and I did learn for sure that the tips are not just copper, they are an alloy of copper. Specially made to get harder as it got hotter, to a point. And this also slowed down the erosion of the surface. But the best way to keep the tip from eroding is to keep the entire head tinned. TTYL, Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 20 18:22:37 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:22:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Drilling Square Holes In-Reply-To: <459231177ed39abdf20e1b5099d1bbcb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, On the second YouTube video, it looks like someone simply copied a Wankel Rotary engine cycle. Pretty neat. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Folks, I saw this over on the British old engine newsgroup. I've never seen anything like it. What's it called? Has anyone here tried one of these? How well does it work? Where would one buy one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qEhyQfbImY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JH19-JwzA&feature=fvw See ya, Arnie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 22 10:09:43 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:09:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> Hello Guys, We found a plate with multiple coats of paint on it that reveals the maker of the dragline. See a pic of the plate after we spent a hour or so removing the three coats of paint at . We found that a civilian model T35 may be the same crane as the M49 while doing some googling last night. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 22 12:41:39 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:41:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com> <4CEAB1E7.6020102@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEAD583.8050601@coastalnet.com> Interesting article about Vern Schield http://books.google.com/books?id=zzMEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA33&dq=schield+bantam+crane&hl=en&ei=EtTqTO61NJG6sQPprMWxCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Ken On 11/22/2010 1:09 PM, Rupert wrote: > Hello Guys, > We found a plate with multiple coats of paint on it that reveals the > maker of the dragline. See a pic of the plate after we spent a hour or > so removing the three coats of paint at > . > > We found that a civilian model T35 may be the same crane as the M49 > while doing some googling last night. > > Rupert > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon Nov 22 17:29:46 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com> <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could contribute more. Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Nov 23 10:17:48 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:17:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine I need PIX, send off list if you want. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > contribute more. > > Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > > Rupert > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue Nov 23 11:21:40 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Hello Frank, Can you download the pictures from my site at ? Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. Rupert On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >> >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could >> contribute more. >> >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? >> >> Rupert >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Nov 23 13:23:27 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Draglines etc. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101123162254.03c6a890@ncweb.com> The Bantam + B-E are 2 fundamentally different designs. Bantam (as shown in literature) is a single-shaft machine, ie both drums next to each other on a single shaft, like Manitowoc. B-E's are all 2 shaft machines, the 2 drums mounted on separate shafts, counter rotating. The single shaft design is very compact, but crowded to work on, although Manitowoc used the compactness to provide a dance floor between the engine + draw works, nice to work on. The 2 shaft design has advantages in working access, and the counter rotating shafts allow 2-direction drive when required via a roller chain, as the crowd/rehaul on a shovel, or hoist-drag interlock on a dragline. Visually, B-E is more styled, with curved window openings and compound curves at the upper rear of the cab. Bantam is all straight sheet metal, not as stylish, but good machines. Some single shaft machines: Bantam, Manitowoc, Marion, Lorain (at least the early ones). There may be exceptions. Some 2 shaft machines: B-E, Northwest, Insley. Here are the innards of the first Manitowoc design: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/23/momFTrrPIiI http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane#p/u/24/lW5KArXu1xQ Dave Merchant Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Nov 24 00:30:01 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:30:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; My friend believes it to be an Allis Charlmers tractor engine, more and better pix might be helpfull Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Hello Frank, > Can you download the pictures from my site at > ? > Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get > some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. > > Rupert > > On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > >> > >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > >> contribute more. > >> > >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 08:15:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) Message-ID: Guys, I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some feedback from those of you with more practical experience. The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in diameter. The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the press-fit plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as dimensioned) into the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. Thoughts / comments / suggestions? Thanks!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 24 09:11:17 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:11:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) References: Message-ID: <008801cb8bfa$9bbc60d0$0201a8c0@PC179134136174> Arnie, Try the forums at www.practicalmachinist.com . This is where I go when I have machining questions. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Old Engine List" ; "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) > Guys, > > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered > plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to > get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. > > The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in > diameter. > > The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. > The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). > The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). > > My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the > press-fit > plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as > dimensioned) into > the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. > > Thoughts / comments / suggestions? > > Thanks!! > > Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 24 09:49:04 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:49:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <869441C2-ECE7-458E-BD55-C1E3F7CDAF3F@rustyiron.com> Are you asking about fitting a conical plug into a cylindrical hole? If that's the case, fugetaboudit. If the plug is indeed cylindrical, 0.004" still seems a bit much. I'd guess closer to 0.0015", but you should check Machinery's Handbook for a better understanding. -- Rob Skinner On Nov 24, 2010, at 8:15 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > Guys, > > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. > > The carbon steel block has a hole that is 0.161" (+.003 / -.000) in diameter. > > The tapered carbon steel plug is 0.125" long. > The small end diameter is 0.158" (+/-.001). > The big end diameter is 0.165" (+/-.001). > > My other thought is that the block that has the hole (and receives the press-fit > plug) is 0.211" thick. I'm thinking that pressing the plug (as dimensioned) into > the hole might bulge the side walls of the hole outward. > > Thoughts / comments / suggestions? > > Thanks!! > > Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 24 14:11:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:11:52 EST Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) Message-ID: <272edc.53c7b39.3a1ee7a8@aol.com> Arnie, As a general rule like Rob said, a tapered pin does not go in a non tapered hole. Same rule as flywheel keys follow. Your pin is only !/8 (.125) of an inch long and bigger in diameter than it is long. For something that small, and if the hole is straight I would think a straight plug with .0005-.0008 interference would be sufficient. Put the pin in freezer and then drive in place. My $.02 worth. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu Nov 25 01:03:30 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 04:03:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Rupert; I was finally able to contact a friend that has had several Bantam cranes he still has 2 of the engines and I sent him your pix, but what he described sounds like yours. Both of his are LeRoi engines, one of his has the oil line going to the same location on the head. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 > From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > > Hello Frank, > Can you download the pictures from my site at > ? > Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get > some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. > > Rupert > > On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > > > > > Rupert; > > > > I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine > > I need PIX, send off list if you want. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 > >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update > >> > >> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could > >> contribute more. > >> > >> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that > >> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is > >> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder > >> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? > >> > >> Rupert > >> -- > >> > >> yvt > >> > >> Rupert Wenig > >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > >> > >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > >> > >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > > yvt > > Rupert Wenig > Camrose, Alberta, Canada. > > email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com > > http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Nov 25 03:54:01 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Any takers? http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Nov 25 04:36:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:36:49 EST Subject: [SEL] Engine ID Message-ID: <9b79.6cc0e919.3a1fb261@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/2010 7:04:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, kosh at ncweb.com writes: http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave, Wow! What a great picture. Just look at what all is going on, belt driven air compressor that appears to be water cooled, lock box for some reason, air whistle, man needs new coveralls! Have a great Thanksgiving to all! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 05:34:46 2010 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 05:34:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <612692.89106.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Other than internal combustion, no.? But definitely a sweet picture!! David --- On Thu, 11/25/10, Dave Merchant wrote: From: Dave Merchant Subject: [SEL] Engine ID To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 6:54 AM Any takers? http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." ? ? ? ???- Prof. Phil Jones ? ? ? ???- Director, Climatic Research Unit ? ? ? ???- School of Environmental Sciences ? ? ? ???- University of East Anglia ? ? ? ???- Norwich, UK ? ? ? ???- To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Nov 25 05:48:58 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Press Fit Question for the Machinists (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CEE694A.1060101@windstream.net> On 11/24/10 11:15 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > I'm reviewing a drawing that is calling for a press fit of a small tapered plug into > a hole. My gut feel is that the fit is too tight, but I'd really like to get some > feedback from those of you with more practical experience. Oh please tell me this isn't for a major structural component for the fuel rod assembly for a nuke reactor that you're building in your basement!!!!! Hopefully upwind from the meltdown, Mike From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 25 06:12:30 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:12:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125065242.0cebfd10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5DCA32B2-1EA7-4481-8006-33D3718C7580@rustyiron.com> On Nov 25, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Dave Merchant wrote: > Any takers? > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original > Cool stuff, Dave. I just spent the past 40 minutes looking at a bunch of old images. There's plenty more... if I only had the time. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Nov 25 13:26:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:26:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20101125231344.00dc8b88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 25/11/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 >From: Dave Merchant >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID > >Any takers? >http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >dmerchant at layerzero.com Hi Dave, I have no idea as to what the engine is but it does look British in design (Wolseley, Lister)(or maybe Aus or NZ) but not the governor arrangement on the flywheel. That's not why I wrote !! What an incredible photograph (considering it was taken in 1910). Focus, lighting, detail (even in most shadow areas) is incredible - all that and it is also "wide angle" with no distortion towards the edges. Look at the detail on the Guys (holding the hose) face -the lighting and shadows are tremendous. Thank you so much for posting it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Nov 25 15:52:29 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine ID In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20101125231344.00dc8b88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20101125184618.03f33dd0@ncweb.com> I didn't post it... The site is http://www.shorpy.com/ Named in honor of the grease covered kid in this photo... http://www.shorpy.com/node/9406?size=_original This site has ruined my life. Dave Merchant At 04:26 PM 11/25/2010, you wrote: >At 07:00 PM 25/11/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 5 > >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:54:01 -0500 > >From: Dave Merchant > >Subject: [SEL] Engine ID > > > >Any takers? > >http://www.shorpy.com/node/9403?size=_original > >Dave Merchant > >kosh at nesys.com > >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >Hi Dave, > I have no idea as to what the engine is but it does look British >in design (Wolseley, Lister)(or maybe Aus or NZ) but not the governor >arrangement on the flywheel. > > That's not why I wrote !! > > What an incredible photograph (considering it was taken in 1910). >Focus, lighting, detail (even in most shadow areas) is incredible - all >that and it is also "wide angle" with no distortion towards the edges. Look >at the detail on the Guys (holding the hose) face -the lighting and shadows >are tremendous. > > Thank you so much for posting it. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Thu Nov 25 20:05:49 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:05:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update In-Reply-To: References: <4CD46778.8050409@telus.net> <4CE16A66.5060704@xplornet.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20101116150903.0c6179e0@ncweb.com> <7F93D1381C2E4F8B9BB18AC0EA2E1D9D@OwnerPC> <4CE34547.3040308@xplornet.com><4CEAA601.5050408@xplornet.com> <4CEAE35F.6060801@longlines.com><05468657A0D64A539D4BFCC9AFCE4576@OwnerPC> <4CEAECFC.2050507@longlines.com>, , <975E37F24DDD4959B06A275E47D412A6@OwnerPC>, , <4CEB190A.4020901@xplornet.com>, , <4CEC1444.8080500@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4CEF321D.7040805@xplornet.com> Thanks Frank. I forgot all about LeRoi engines when I was googling for pictures. Rupert On 11/25/2010 2:03 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > > > Rupert; > > I was finally able to contact a friend that has had several Bantam cranes > he still has 2 of the engines and I sent him your pix, but what he described sounds > like yours. Both of his are LeRoi engines, one of his has the oil line going to > the same location on the head. > > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor& Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:21:40 -0700 >> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >> >> Hello Frank, >> Can you download the pictures from my site at >> ? >> Those are the best pictures I have of the engine. I will try to get >> some more when the weather warms up. My thermometer recorded -39 last night. >> >> Rupert >> >> On 11/23/2010 11:17 AM, frank skinner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Rupert; >>> >>> I may have someone that can ID your Bantam Crane engine >>> I need PIX, send off list if you want. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Franklin S. Skinner >>> Marine Surveyor& Consultant >>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 >>> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:29:46 -0700 >>>> From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] [AT] Drag line engine ID wanted- update >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for your help. These groups are wonderful. Wish I could >>>> contribute more. >>>> >>>> Another question re: the engine- I saw on one of the links given that >>>> as 6 cylinder Chrysler engine was used. The engine in this one is >>>> definitely a 4 cylinder engine. Did Chrysler make a 4 cylinder >>>> industrial engine? If so, does anyone have any pictures of one? >>>> >>>> Rupert >>>> -- >>>> >>>> yvt >>>> >>>> Rupert Wenig >>>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >>>> >>>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >>>> >>>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> -- >> >> yvt >> >> Rupert Wenig >> Camrose, Alberta, Canada. >> >> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com >> >> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 11:25:42 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:25:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: Howdee gang; Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a steel rod? Thanks much and any recommendation is appreciated! RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Nov 26 11:38:59 2010 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:38:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> Rick, I believe it is called a ball turner. Francis In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a steel rod? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 12:02:21 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:02:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool Message-ID: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Radius Cutter. At least that is what I have heard them called. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Sent: Nov 26, 2010 1:38 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > >Rick, >I believe it is called a ball turner. > >Francis > > >In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > >Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these >lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a >steel >rod? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 12:58:51 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:58:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool In-Reply-To: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24699839.1290801741344.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Radius Cutter Attachment" did it Tim..thanks much....I think I'll go with Reg's suggestion....whew!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > Radius Cutter. At least that is what I have heard them called. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- > >From: FRM8198 at aol.com > >Sent: Nov 26, 2010 1:38 PM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Machinist tool > > > >Rick, > >I believe it is called a ball turner. > > > >Francis > > > > > >In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > > >Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do > >these > >lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a > >steel > >rod? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Fri Nov 26 20:06:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:06:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Machinist tool In-Reply-To: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> References: <83a6c.570fab73.3a2166d3@aol.com> Message-ID: Good doG, a "ball turner" is a TSA employee. It has NOTHING to do with being a machinist! dave On Nov 26, 2010, at 2:38 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Rick, > I believe it is called a ball turner. > > Francis > > > In a message dated 11/26/2010 11:36:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > Looking for a Christmas gift for my machinist friend who doesn't do these > lists. What's the name of the lathe tool that puts a rounded end on a > steel > rod? From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 07:03:34 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:03:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> Hey folks, December issue of GEM has a letter from the Witte engine company dated 1907. In that letter it notes: Steel Balanced portable engine and Farm Balanced portable engine. What is the difference in "Steel" versus "Farm" balanced? Was the steel balanced more precisely balanced with inserts in the flywheels (as in vehicle rims with weights) versus the farm balance was just in the casting of the flywheels? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 09:08:45 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:08:45 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <7b473.7edce460.3a23e69d@aol.com> I should have told you the letter is on page 5 of the December issue of GEM. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 28 09:39:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte engines In-Reply-To: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> References: <6bd37.e97400a.3a23c946@aol.com> Message-ID: <477f3670636943c8a3195325afe13838.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tom, This was one of those cost-saving innovations for which Witte was famous. As you mentioned, the "steel balance" was the familiar cast-in extra weight near the flywheel rim. The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer applied to the flywheel rim as needed. I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Sun, November 28, 2010 10:03 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Hey folks, > > December issue of GEM has a letter from the Witte engine company dated > 1907. In that letter it notes: Steel Balanced portable engine and Farm > Balanced portable engine. What is the difference in "Steel" versus "Farm" > balanced? Was the steel balanced more precisely balanced with inserts in the > flywheels (as in vehicle rims with weights) versus the farm balance was just > in the casting of the flywheels? From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 11:51:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:51:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Witte engines Message-ID: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2010 12:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer applied to the flywheel rim as needed. Arnie, No wonder I did not know what it meant. The sticky manure on this farm readily slings off the truck tires, so it must not be the good type for engine balancing. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Sun Nov 28 19:58:34 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Witte engines In-Reply-To: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> References: <5f8ba.7784d1fc.3a240cdc@aol.com> Message-ID: <78D5E311-8B65-4A61-9957-A4814490B34E@me.com> This is the latest system (along with duct tape) used in ALL the newest 1,000 units! Dave On Nov 28, 2010, at 2:51 PM, germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2010 12:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > The "farm balance" was a lump of sticky manure that the farmer > applied to the flywheel rim as needed. > > Arnie, > > > No wonder I did not know what it meant. The sticky manure on this farm > readily slings off the truck tires, so it must not be the good type for > engine balancing. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 21:25:31 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Nov 28 22:45:11 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:45:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats all around Patrick regards Russell and Co On 29/11/2010, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > A new engine collector has entered the scene. > Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up > in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing > well. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Nov 29 02:15:17 2010 From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peter Woodmore) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:15:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD5DC57415857B-18D0-3920F@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> congratulations Patrick all the best wishes to Samuel and well done Mum Regards Peter & Marie Woodmore peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name = woadmere -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone To: ATIS ; Oldengine Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 4:25 pm Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector A new engine collector has entered the scene. orn this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up n intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing ell. Patrick M Livingstone eichhardt NSW ttp://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Mon Nov 29 04:08:06 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:08:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <488ef.3e840fed.3a24f1a6@aol.com> Congrads KK In a message dated 11/29/2010 12:34:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 05:14:59 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:14:59 EST Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <1f338.7d77e4f2.3a250153@aol.com> Congratulations to Mom and Dad on the arrival of Samuel and everyone is well. Good to hear the dog made it thru it all too! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 08:30:29 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:30:29 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Message-ID: <20101129.113029.22822.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Congrats Patrick - Good on ya !!!!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Look twice, be aware ? (_o_) Asshole drivers are everywhere" ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:08:06 -0500 (EST) Congrads KK In a message dated 11/29/2010 12:34:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf3d55ad76cb4f226bst01vuc From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Mon Nov 29 11:05:35 2010 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:05:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new engine collector Message-ID: Congratulations Patrick and best wishes to you, your wife and young Sam. PS Has you given him a second name? If it were Edwin or Erwin or similar, his initials would be S E L. That's scary! Anyway, well done, glad to hear all are well. Teddy From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Nov 29 14:25:48 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:25:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69666928-E460-4465-9E8D-FE6F8B624871@netconnect.com.au> Well done and congratulations to all! Your new life is just beginning, once you make the shed child safe that is! Best wishes, Mark (who has a 4yo train mad daughter. Engines will come later!) On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > A new engine collector has entered the scene. > Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he > ended up > in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also > doing > well. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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Hemingway From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 29 15:46:36 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:46:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71851F3302104D6F85F5018F2E62DDBB@D2JYVHJ1> Congrats Patrick. We need more youth in the hobby and sounds like you are doing your part. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:26 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/28/10 19:34:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 16:23:37 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:23:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <873454.10727.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Congratulations Patrick. ? There just isn't anything like it is there? I will always remember what hit me when our daughter was born. Now she is 16 years old and I believe we will survive these years. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 12:25 AM A new engine collector has entered the scene. Born this morning, Samuel Livingstone. We had a big fright and he ended up in intensive care but he is doing well now. Mum, Dad & dog are also doing well. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 10:01:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:01:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all for your many, many emails both on and off list. Little Samuel is now out of intensive care and spending the night with mom and dad in the hospital room. I am working on which engine will be his. I think he will get an Austral. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Tue Nov 30 12:25:13 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:25:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A new engine collector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DA5AA2-C332-4B9E-AF5C-12ED9950177B@me.com> A VERY good choice Patrick! Dave PS, Belated CONGRATS! On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > I am working on which engine will be his. I think he will get an > Austral. > > Patrick M Livingstone From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 30 15:19:35 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:19:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine Message-ID: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 marine engine is? Cheers John From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 30 15:36:00 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:36:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine References: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> Message-ID: <58BBB22CC3C54132A4AB837D15F8AE6E@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mathieson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 marine engine is? Cheers John I presume you have read http://www.oldmarineengine.com/history/Palmer/Palmer%20YT%20Article.htm I have never heard of the engine myself. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 30 23:14:47 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:14:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine References: <4CB3C6FE2A7C45E786CA6880AAC7650A@lightning> <58BBB22CC3C54132A4AB837D15F8AE6E@zen> Message-ID: <6CA6E10BD99B48A7BC402A4FCF8F9DE8@lightning> Thankyou Dave, what a great article. The maggy is an American Bosch FX1. It seems that the Palmers are quite a collectable engine. Regards john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Mathieson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] Palmer YT1 marine engine > > >> Can anyone tell me what the correct magneto is for a 1924 Palmer YT1 >> marine engine is? Cheers John > > I presume you have read > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/history/Palmer/Palmer%20YT%20Article.htm > I have never heard of the engine myself. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3288 - Release Date: 11/29/10 19:34:00