From rolfb at accima.com Sat May 1 05:58:56 2010 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 05:58:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic Message-ID: <4BDC2590.8000700@accima.com> A Coastie friend of mine clued me in that there's video of the toppling of the LORAN tower at Port Clarence, AK. I had no idea the thing was 1350 ft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-DFU7Xwq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgxbUBNaee0 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 1 08:37:31 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:37:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <4BDC2590.8000700@accima.com> Message-ID: Wow! I wouldn't have wanted to be standing there when it fell! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bob W7AVK > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 07:59 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Off Topic > > > A Coastie friend of mine clued me in that there's > video of the toppling > of the LORAN tower at Port Clarence, AK. I had > no idea the thing was > 1350 ft. From bboyce at swat.coop Sat May 1 18:37:26 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:37:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover Message-ID: happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat May 1 18:48:13 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] U.S. of A. Gas Engine Shows on the Last May Weekend Message-ID: <307643.70602.qm@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> May 28?& 29 I will be making a trip from Northern lower Michigan to central Missouri. Michigan 131 to 196 to 31/94. NW corner of Indiana. In Illinois I will take?80 West to either 57 or 55 then one of those South to 70 or 270. In Missouri 70 West to exit 175 where I get off on local roads through Herman, Gasconade, Morrison and arrive at Chamois. ? Are there any shows I can visit that weekend. 50 miles or less off that route. ? Never again will I get rid of my show directories before I get my new one. I just didn't know plans would change and I wouldn't be making that trip a month later so I could stop by the nice smallish show at Sandwich, Illinois. ? Alan in Michigan From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 1 21:12:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c812accf4b9f37ae3e7d3177a0ded07.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Bill, How 'bout some pictures? See ya, Arnie On Sat, May 1, 2010 9:37 pm, bill boyce wrote: > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and > brought it home From bdb at mchsi.com Sat May 1 21:39:49 2010 From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 23:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <847012E7E12D48A1ACC48FDCD070F3C0@Buffystoy> Hi Peter Yes I will be at Mount Peasant Tuesday thru Saturday. I spend Sundays with my 86 year old mother who has stage 2 Alzheimer's and is in an assisted care home so I'll load up Saturday evening. Since I no longer have an R&VS. engine I'll probably grab whatever is closest to the door. I'm going to try to get my son to come to the show and show some of his engines. He always goes to Portland with me since his mother quit going after my Dad passed in 2002. We stay in Muncie and make the 31 mile drive to Portland every day. The room rates are lower and there are plenty of motels, also Muncie has a lot more places to eat than Portland. Looking forward to seeing you again Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA > Barry > Are you coming to the R&V show at Mount Pleasant?? > Peter > > > > > >> Hi Peter >> >> I live 45 miles on the other side of Mount Pleasant and I can make the >> Portland trip from Ottumwa Ia to Portland in under 8 hours pulling a >> loaded >> 18' car trailer and stopping for lunch. Usually the men in blue won't >> bother >> you for 5 over unless you are weaving in and out of traffic or driving >> erratically. I can't guarantee that you won't get stopped but I drive 5 >> to >> 10 over and have gotten away with it for years. >> Barry >> P.SO. we drive on the right side of the road >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Google maps says it takes 7 hours 33 minutes from Portland, IN to Mount >>> Pleasant, IA. Is this time very conservative?? >>> What would it take if I hooned along right on the speed limit?? being >>> good >>> and not attracting the men in blue of course. >>> >>> Peter, Oz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bdb at mchsi.com Sat May 1 22:44:08 2010 From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:44:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <4761C84C5D2041BCB517C56C8D56503D@peterlowe> References: <4761C84C5D2041BCB517C56C8D56503D@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4FD759317FDA44F389F251511F254F9E@Buffystoy> Peter... I was thinking about you and your visit here to the states and may have a plan to offer to you. If you fly into Indianapolis on Thursday or Friday I could pick you up there. If you want I can reserve a room at the motel in Muncie that we stay at and you can ride back and forth to the show grounds with us. I'm driving a 2009 Ford F-150 super crew cab so there is plenty of room for 2 more. Then if you want you can ride with us to Mount Pleasant when we return home on Sunday. George Eddy rides with us to ad from Portland and I drop him off at his camper in Mount Pleasant at the show grounds. You are more than welcome to ride with us. Where are you staying in Mount Pleasant? Let me know your plans. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hi All > My son and I are coming over in August for the Mount Pleasant Show. We are > trying to also get there for the Friday and Saturday of Portland before we > head on down to Iowa. > We are after accommodation for the 27th and 28th August close to Portland > if anyone can help. I do not care where I sleep nor does my son if anyone > can help out. > If not we will come over a few days later. Flight seats with Virgin are > filling fast and I do not want to miss out booking for Mount Pleasant Sept > 2 to 6. We prefer non smoking, just to be fussy ;-)) > > Please also spread the word around to all R&V engine owners that we would > like you all to come to Mount Pleasant as R&V is the feature engine this > year. Also there will be a bus trip back to East Moline, Illinois to the > original factory, like the 2003 centenary tour, for those who missed out > then. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 2 00:33:16 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:33:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill; White or live oak, or even Lignum Vitae Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: bboyce at swat.coop > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:37:26 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover > > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 2 02:37:17 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 05:37:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <380-2201050293717294@M2W133.mail2web.com> Hi Barry All is OK now, I have accommodation in Decatur, IN, going to the Back40 Junction Thursday night, Friday, Saturday Portland, then on the Mt Pleasant. I will hire a car. I now have my son with me. Many thanks for the offer though, look forward to meeting you again mate. Also looking foward to meeting George Eddy. Regards Peter, Oz Peter... I was thinking about you and your visit here to the states and may have a plan to offer to you. If you fly into Indianapolis on Thursday or Friday I could pick you up there. If you want I can reserve a room at the motel in Muncie that we stay at and you can ride back and forth to the show grounds with us. I'm driving a 2009 Ford F-150 super crew cab so there is plenty of room for 2 more. Then if you want you can ride with us to Mount Pleasant when we return home on Sunday. George Eddy rides with us to ad from Portland and I drop him off at his camper in Mount Pleasant at the show grounds. You are more than welcome to ride with us. Where are you staying in Mount Pleasant? Let me know your plans. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hi All > My son and I are coming over in August for the Mount Pleasant Show. We are > trying to also get there for the Friday and Saturday of Portland before we > head on down to Iowa. > We are after accommodation for the 27th and 28th August close to Portland > if anyone can help. I do not care where I sleep nor does my son if anyone > can help out. > If not we will come over a few days later. Flight seats with Virgin are > filling fast and I do not want to miss out booking for Mount Pleasant Sept > 2 to 6. We prefer non smoking, just to be fussy ;-)) > > Please also spread the word around to all R&V engine owners that we would > like you all to come to Mount Pleasant as R&V is the feature engine this > year. Also there will be a bus trip back to East Moline, Illinois to the > original factory, like the 2003 centenary tour, for those who missed out > then. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 2 06:14:00 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:14:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Some kind of antique sewing machine followed me home from an auction yesterday. I believe it may have been for burlap bags as it came out of an old seed cleaning mill. So far I have found no markings anywhere on it. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew3.jpg) Sew1 is from the front and shows the foot operated pedal. On the right is some sort of T-handle that may have held the spools of thread. Not sure what the cone shape is for on the T-handles other than there is a hole in the middle that may have held a bracket to help feed the thread. Sew2 shows the needle movement mechanism. The flat wheel on the left rotates by gears and has small sharp tacks on it that would have held and moved under the needle what ever was being sewn. If you look closely behind the needle you can see one of the small tacks sticking up. Under the needle plate is a small rotating finger to catch the thread. Sew3 looking from right side and shows more of the T-handle and cone shaped bracket. Anybody have any ideas or information on it? Also, would anybody know why stuff like this follows me home? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 2 07:18:17 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:18:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> Bill, Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big Stover there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 2 12:52:45 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:52:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: I've heard tell of using apple wood for bearings. It is dense and I wonder how it would work for a clutch. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 08:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover .........................snip...................... > what is the > correct color, and what type of wood is used for > the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current > wood is a little worn, but it feels very light > bill boyce From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 2 13:14:42 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, No info on the neat piece of old iron, but I sure as hell can answer the last question if you REALLY need an answer. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 2, 2010 9:14 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Some kind of antique sewing machine followed me home from an auction > yesterday. I believe it may have been for burlap bags as it came out of an old > seed cleaning mill. So far I have found no markings anywhere on it. > > Anybody have any ideas or information on it? > > Also, would anybody know why stuff like this follows me home? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From christison at coastalnet.com Sun May 2 13:32:44 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> Bill, Congrats on the new toy! Machinery's Handbook of 1915 mentions poplar as the best wood for clutch blocks. Take care. Ken bill boyce wrote: > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 2 15:43:05 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:43:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> References: , <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: on Clutch woos, Lidger logging Staem winches used oak & it lasted in the weather a long time Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:32:44 -0400 > From: christison at coastalnet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp Stover > > Bill, > > Congrats on the new toy! > > Machinery's Handbook of 1915 mentions poplar as the best wood for clutch > blocks. > > Take care. > > Ken > > bill boyce wrote: > > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 2 14:27:02 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:27:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <5bbe8.5379c96a.390f4826@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2010 4:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I sure as hell can answer the last question if you REALLY need an answer. Thanks Arnie, I think I already knew the answer but needed reassurance! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 2 23:26:56 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:26:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Message-ID: Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 3 00:05:32 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:05:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <5BE0A460644D47C699F65192E623809F@regpc> Good on ya mates. Now I have TWO good mates!!! Re Tas. Both our kids have moved back there( We lived there for 7 years when we first came from UK) and our G Daughter and husband +GGchild are ther too! Must be something about the place. Mates, from the heart, ALL the best for your future together. Luvya both. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 3 03:42:00 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:42:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <005601caeaad$4321a280$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Congrats Patrick! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 2:26 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon May 3 04:21:16 2010 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:21:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801caeab2$bf828240$0201010a@JBCooper> Congratulations Patrick and Ann. Met you at Young. John Cooper, Bega. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Monday, 3 May 2010 4:27 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 3 07:59:48 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congratulations to you and Ann! May your marriage be long and happy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 01:27 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! From obise at moscow.com Mon May 3 07:10:55 2010 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations, Pat and Ann. Here's wishing you a lifetime of happiness together. May good fortune smile upon you all the way. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:27 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 3 07:17:40 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:17:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Message-ID: Patrick, What a great way to get married. Many happy years for you both. Not sure why Millie has put up with me and the junk for 45 years! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon May 3 08:58:32 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:58:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: Tom: The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of punch, and that's all she can think of. The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things there. A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very creative and very interesting. Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 3 09:43:46 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bd05ad18a0e61564c23d72037360e91.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick. Man, what an awesome wedding venue! You'll not soon forget that. And it opens up some interesting options for future wedding anniversaries. I can see pirate costumes in your future. 8->> Does Ann go to the rallys with you or does she look at it as "free time" without you underfoot? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 3, 2010 2:26 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 3 10:38:54 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:38:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100503192925.0288ede8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:58:32 -0700 >From: "P. Johns" >Subject: Re: [SEL] auction > >Tom: > >The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. >One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of >punch, and that's all she can think of. > Hi Tom, It does not matter what it is. It's a beautiful piece of old iron and I'm jealous. I was thinking maybe something to do with saddlery or leather work but that's just a guess. Your original idea of a "bag stitcher" also makes sense. Well done, I could visualize that standing in my lounge (without a pot plant :-)). Please let us know when you do eventually identify it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From weolson at wiktel.com Mon May 3 14:07:48 2010 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:07:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: <1796765553.20100503160748@wiktel.com> Hi P., Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:58:32 AM, you wrote: PJ> Tom: PJ> The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. PJ> One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of PJ> punch, and that's all she can think of. PJ> The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine PJ> for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in PJ> SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things PJ> there. PJ> A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he PJ> would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very PJ> creative and very interesting. PJ> Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky PJ> high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by PJ> when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. PJ> That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that PJ> was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on PJ> and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. PJ> _______________________________________________ PJ> SEL mailing list PJ> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com PJ> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel There are some machines that use only a single thread and sew what is known as a Chain Stitch and they don't use a bobbin, but it does have something to catch the thread and make the chain. I have a couple of hand battery powered units that do this. But then, it could be something else too. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Mon May 3 14:35:52 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying to Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came to our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. John Mathieson Eden NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 16:07:29 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <1796765553.20100503160748@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes and that chain stitch is exactly what feed or flour sacks are sewn with. SO, A gal that says it is NOT a sewing machine because it does not have a bobbin just doesn't know about feed/flour sack sewing machines. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 5/3/10, William Olson wrote: From: William Olson Subject: Re: [SEL] auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 5:07 PM Hi P., Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:58:32 AM, you wrote: PJ> Tom: PJ> The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. PJ> One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of PJ> punch, and that's all she can think of. PJ> The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine PJ> for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in PJ> SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things PJ> there. PJ> A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he PJ> would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very PJ> creative and very interesting. PJ> Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky PJ> high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by PJ> when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. PJ> That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that PJ> was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on PJ> and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. PJ> _______________________________________________ PJ> SEL mailing list PJ> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com PJ> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel There are some machines that use only a single thread and sew what is known as a Chain Stitch and they don't use a bobbin, but it does have something to catch the thread and make the chain.? I have a couple of hand battery powered units that do this.? But then, it could be something else too. -- Thanks,? William? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon May 3 16:53:52 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:53:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22CF8B28-4D9E-4A1F-8D8C-6AE6F8F80E97@me.com> On May 3, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Alan wrote: > SO, A gal that says it is NOT a sewing machine because it does not > have a bobbin just doesn't know about feed/flour sack sewing machines. > > Alan in Michigan "Gals" know very little Alan. We started down a VERY slippery slope when we gave them the right to vote in the 20's! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 3 17:04:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:04:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> Thanks for all the replies. And yes, it is a sewing machine that chain stitches as in a feed bag. If you look at the top right side of the photo you can see a spring mechanism that provides thread tension. Looking at the left side on the up and down rod there are 2 wire loops that the thread passes thru before passing thru the needle. On the underside of the plate where the needle passes thru, there is a rotating hook that catches the thread thus forming the under part of the chain stitch. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) I finally found a mfg. tag that was hidden by a removable cover. It reads: Tillinghast S.&M. Co. Salem, Mass Type T.L.2.F.P. See photo of tag _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg) I have found no information on this company or the "bag closer" yet on the internet or google patents. I have sent the information to the Salem Historical Society to enlist their help. Any other help would be appreciated. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 3 18:10:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> References: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Message-ID: John, WELL DONE!! I'd say you're on track for another happy forty years!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35 pm, Renee Mathieson wrote: > Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th > anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying to > Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came to > our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to > Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. John > Mathieson > Eden NSW From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 3 18:37:08 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 11:37:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: <7bd05ad18a0e61564c23d72037360e91.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, I suggested doing my vows with a pirate voice (eg Do you take this woman. ARRRRRRR) but it did not go down well :) Ann comes along to some of the rallies with me (usually the larger ones) but often work or social commitments keep her at home. At least it means we don't need to find a dogsitter. The more local rallies Ann will usually come out later in her car and bring the dog along. Ann has found (as most people do) that the engine people are great to hang around with. Patrick On 4/5/10 2:43 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick. > > Man, what an awesome wedding venue! You'll not soon forget that. > And it opens up some interesting options for future wedding anniversaries. > I can see pirate costumes in your future. 8->> > > Does Ann go to the rallys with you or does she look at it as "free time" > without you underfoot? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 2:26 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month >> on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR >> Ford Station Wagon. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg >> >> We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as >> Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly >> people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some >> pics on my site when I get them sorted. >> Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From swebre at hotmail.com Tue May 4 10:49:49 2010 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:49:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Patrick! Great news and Congrats! Please give the blushing bride a hug from friends she's never met! > Ann has found (as most people do) that the engine people are great to hang around with. Humph. Bring her to Portland. That'll change..... :) -Steve- From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 4 11:15:58 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:15:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> References: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> Message-ID: HI Tom, Nice machine! Why didn't you bring it to Reidsville for us to play with? We missed you last weekend and it didn't rain until Sat Night. We stayed DRY! Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:04:52 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] auction > > Thanks for all the replies. And yes, it is a sewing machine that chain > stitches as in a feed bag. If you look at the top right side of the photo you > can see a spring mechanism that provides thread tension. Looking at the > left side on the up and down rod there are 2 wire loops that the thread > passes thru before passing thru the needle. On the underside of the plate > where the needle passes thru, there is a rotating hook that catches the thread > thus forming the under part of the chain stitch. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) > > I finally found a mfg. tag that was hidden by a removable cover. It reads: > > Tillinghast S.&M. Co. > Salem, Mass > Type T.L.2.F.P. > > See photo of tag > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg) > > > I have found no information on this company or the "bag closer" yet on the > internet or google patents. > > I have sent the information to the Salem Historical Society to enlist their > help. Any other help would be appreciated. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue May 4 15:01:47 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:01:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Message-ID: <5FE45284D3774EE4ACAD0D48C1420B40@lightning> Thanks Arnie, With retirement being the next thing to look forward to life is sure to get a lot more interesting. Work always got in the way of a lot of engine rallies. See ya John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > John, > > WELL DONE!! I'd say you're on track for another happy forty years!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35 pm, Renee Mathieson wrote: >> Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th >> anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying >> to >> Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came >> to >> our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to >> Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. >> John >> Mathieson >> Eden NSW > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 4 14:38:57 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:38:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <10b09.4cb1e1d.3911edf1@aol.com> Hi Steve, I made a mistake about Reidsville and that was to listen to the weather man at various sites. All predicted showers off and on all day. I was all packed and decided not to go. Got up early saturday morning to a shower and told myself I had made a good decision. It was the only rain we had too till that night. Kicked myself in the pants all day. I only purchased the sewing machine this past weekend. I am going to take it to a small local show this coming weekend. _http://www.oldhalifax.com/phototour/noland.htm_ (http://www.oldhalifax.com/phototour/noland.htm) Ken Christison has found a lot of information so far on the machine, but more searches are on going. No patent information so far. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue May 4 18:12:11 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:12:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics Message-ID: While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From r7734g at hotmail.com Tue May 4 19:02:30 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:02:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW!!! > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:12:11 +1000 > From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics > > While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort > through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 5 01:48:08 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:48:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: Hi all Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I am there. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 5 03:15:00 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 03:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943274.20318.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> WOW, Thanks for the pix. How many of those large Quonset huts did they have full of toys? ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:12 PM While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 04:14:39 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:14:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: <943274.20318.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are the two big 'huts' as well as a few items outside. Lots of nice toys :) On 5/5/10 8:15 PM, "Alan" wrote: > WOW, > Thanks for the pix. > How many of those large Quonset huts did they have full of toys? > ? > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:12 PM > > > While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort > through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 04:15:08 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:15:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some more Tassie Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/wcpm/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Wed May 5 05:21:39 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 08:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6008FFAB-0217-41A8-BBF6-2B6CB7404788@me.com> YES Peter--as it was in the begining, is now and forever shall be! Dave PS, Same place as usual as well! On May 5, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at > Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I > am there. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 5 05:29:10 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:29:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <6008FFAB-0217-41A8-BBF6-2B6CB7404788@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, looking forward to catching up again mate. Peter, Oz > YES Peter--as it was in the begining, is now and forever shall be! > Dave > PS, Same place as usual as well! > > On May 5, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at >> Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I >> am there. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 5 04:45:23 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:45:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2010 12:11:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, enginepaul at gmail.com writes: The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. One clue is that there is no bobbin. Paul. Ken Christison has found some patent information on a sewing machine similar to mine. It makes a chain stitch. The machine uses no bobbin that your wife is used to seeing on "regular" sewing machines. If you look under the needle shaft, you will see a part that is labeled "b" on the end of a rotating shaft. This catches the thread as it is fed down forming the "loop" on a chain stitch. Thus no need for a bobbin. See patent picture. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew5.pdf_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew5.pdf) Always need to see what the old folks invented! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed May 5 07:45:54 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:45:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> References: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I've gotta stop relying on "experts." Paul in California From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed May 5 13:27:02 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:27:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505221143.028ebf70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you good people out there, Another "Off Topic" post (says me while rapping myself over the knuckles) (bad boy et al). Some of you may remember that I put a page on my site a good while back called "You know that you live in Africa when.........!" Well, I just updated it with some pretty gory stuff that came in today. BE WARNED THAT THIS IS NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART. If you have a weak heart (or vote Conservative) then just delete this mail right now. If not, you can have a look at: Scroll down the page to "Crime - the serious side. " and see the update. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed May 5 13:45:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:45:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! OOOOOOOPS!!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505223949.00cfccf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Sorry All, (Must be the Brandy & Coke) I meant "Liberal" - not "Conservative" - so sorry. Jerry. Hi all you good people out there, Another "Off Topic" post (says me while rapping myself over the knuckles) (bad boy et al). Some of you may remember that I put a page on my site a good while back called "You know that you live in Africa when.........!" Well, I just updated it with some pretty gory stuff that came in today. BE WARNED THAT THIS IS NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART. If you have a weak heart (or vote Conservative) then just delete this mail right now. If not, you can have a look at: Scroll down the page to "Crime - the serious side. " and see the update. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 5 14:55:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:55:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505221143.028ebf70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Nice collection of "Crispy Critters" you have there. It doesn't pay to mess with Reddy Kilowatt! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 03:27 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > slick at toltbbs.com > Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post > from Jerry:!! ......................snip............................... > If not, you can have a look at: > > > Scroll down the page to "Crime - the > serious side. " and see the > update. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 19:27:07 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:27:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] More Tassie Pics Message-ID: The last batch of Tassie Pics: The West Coast Wilderness Railway from Strahan to Queenstown. It is a great trip and hauled by steam locos using the ABT system. The grade is 1 in 16 at its steepest and the railway is using 3 of the 5 locos that were originally built for the railway (Numbers 1, 3 & 5. No.4 was scrapped many years ago and No.2 is in a museum). http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/wcwr/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 7 16:39:21 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:39:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Fri May 7 17:41:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:41:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? References: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Everybody need more stuff. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri May 7 18:10:47 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Message-ID: <3cb9e.3af7def5.39161417@aol.com> Your there and here. KK In a message dated 5/7/2010 8:47:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, james.kangas at timken.com writes: Everybody need more stuff. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Dvswan03 at aol.com Sat May 8 00:41:42 2010 From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 03:41:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics Message-ID: <42e21.3ae2410b.39166fb6@aol.com> Patrick, just saw the Tassie pics. especially liked the washing machines! Sweet! sure would like them for my collection. Mary in Freeport. Il From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 8 11:01:31 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, The Ruston is looking SWEET!! Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? See ya, Arnie On Sat, April 24, 2010 3:29 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. > > We are still bringing the whole trolley/generator together, but we are > probably 85% there. > > There is an 18mb video file: > > On the UK server: > http://www.stationary-engine.net/For.../Ruston491.mpg > > on the US Oldengine site: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/die.../Ruston491.mpg > > or on Youtube: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXNR6UvyaBY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 8 11:34:48 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: > Peter, > > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? > > See ya, ?Arnie Yes, we will have it there. Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it is running, hopefully tomorrow. The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg through http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg The Forum thread is here: http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sat May 8 15:40:48 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 08:40:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100508224033.98E6C3767F5@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> G'day Jim, I see you have replied to my post which has not turned up this end?? Bloody internet hey? go figure Russ At 10:41 AM 8/05/2010, you wrote: >Everybody need more stuff. > Jim K. > >________________________________ > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert >Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? > > > >Getting very little sel stuff of late? >Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do >not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken >Corporation >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 9 11:37:06 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 20:37:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Peter, From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost "day to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of his (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, I just could not resist that comment).) All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that field. I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" that you have been through on this restoration. Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just being an "HR" - many differences). There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as brief as possible (very difficult for me). Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" engines in South Africa). I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's when it will become MINE !!!! Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be brief. :-(. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et al.). P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Peter, > > > > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! > > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? > > > > See ya, ?Arnie > >Yes, we will have it there. > >Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >is running, hopefully tomorrow. > >The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg > >through > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg > >The Forum thread is here: > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 > >Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 9 13:23:08 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:23:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, As I am a strong Stirling collector I can advise your brother that Stirlings run better indoors & enable you to drink alcohol at the same time.8^) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/My%20Hotair%20Engines.htm Dave Croft Warrington. http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running > Hi Peter, > From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or > so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I > somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost "day > to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this > morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be > enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of his > (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, > I just could not resist that comment).) > > All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and > the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention > to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that field. > > I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" > that you have been through on this restoration. > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be > brief. :-(. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More > Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these > lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his > interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) > > P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors > begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to > disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et al.). > > P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >>From: Listerdiesel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >>Cc: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> > >> > See ya, ?Arnie >> >>Yes, we will have it there. >> >>Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >>weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >>to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >>is running, hopefully tomorrow. >> >>The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg >> >>through >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg >> >>The Forum thread is here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 >> >>Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 9 16:42:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Methink you've been paying too much attention to the wiley Dave R. You're getting to be positively evil in your engine machinations! Boy! I'm glad I'm not your brother. Poor sod. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 01:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running ....................snip........................... > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests > are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as > found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in > the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his > interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in > "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that > interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will > happen !!!!!!!!!!!! .................snip.................. > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 9 15:45:55 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001501caefc9$62f63cd0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Jerry: No apologies needed, I feel your pain having an older brother in the hobby, stealing all my good engines too!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running > Hi Peter, > From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or > so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I > somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost > "day > to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this > morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be > enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of > his > (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, > I just could not resist that comment).) > > All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and > the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention > to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that > field. > > I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" > that you have been through on this restoration. > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was > a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL > realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- > that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be > brief. :-(. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More > Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these > lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his > interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) > > P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors > begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to > disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et > al.). > > P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >>From: Listerdiesel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >>Cc: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> > >> > See ya, ?Arnie >> >>Yes, we will have it there. >> >>Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >>weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >>to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >>is running, hopefully tomorrow. >> >>The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg >> >>through >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg >> >>The Forum thread is here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 >> >>Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 9 16:04:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, WHY are you wasting time typing email? You should be in high gear restoring a "Wolseley WD9" for your bro to rally and setting him up with a suitable Stirling engine. Sheesh.... See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 9, 2010 2:37 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Sun May 9 19:40:30 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:40:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Technical Shop Terms Explained (a little off any topic) Message-ID: DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted vertical stabilizer which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh darn..." SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible future use. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminium sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN * x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling 'DAMMIT!' at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 10 00:44:08 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:44:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Arnie, I mentioned it was a long story :-) He actually did find 2 Wolseleys as well, complete and running but needing some paint. After they had cluttered up his workshop for about a year without so much as a wipe clean he loaded them up and delivered them here - lost interest. I'm waiting for the same to happen to the Ruston !! Only thing is that it's not cluttering up his workshop like the Wolseleys were - the Ruston is in my mates shed (who is a Ruston expert) where it was sent to see what parts were missing etc. Maybe I should deliver it back to my bro so that it can get in his way a bit and speed up the "waning of interest" thing :-) I do not have a pic of the engine but have put 2 scans (from the manual) on my page here. These show the engine as well as the missing parts: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 01:04 AM 10/05/2010, you wrote: >Jerry, > >WHY are you wasting time typing email? > >You should be in high gear restoring a "Wolseley WD9" for your bro to >rally and >setting him up with a suitable Stirling engine. Sheesh.... > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, May 9, 2010 2:37 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > > being an "HR" - many differences). > > > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > > engines in South Africa). > > > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > > when it will become MINE !!!! > > > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon May 10 01:44:38 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:44:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aluminum (Aluminium) oxide removal Message-ID: <8ABD30F90C5F4E23AAFEC390E443C8A8@peterlowe> Hi all I have a British Seagull outboard motor I am restoring. What is the best home remedy for neutralizing the heavy white oxide build up on the Aluminum parts please. Without buying all the fancy stuff that you guys in the US have that we can't buy here, a home remedy like Vinegar etc. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 10 07:44:13 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:44:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications Message-ID: Pipe Specifications: 1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole, surrounded by metal or plastic centered around the hole. 2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length - do not use holes of different length than the pipe. 3. The inside diameter of the pipe must not exceed the outside diameter - otherwise the hole will be on the outside. 4. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole so that water, steam or other stuff can be put inside at a later date. 5. All pipe should be supplied without rust - this can be more readily applied at the job site. Some vendors are now able to supply pre-rusted pipe. If available in your area this product is recommended as it will save a lot of time on the job site. 6. All pipe over 500 ft (153 m) long should have the words 'long pipe' painted on each end, so the contractor will know it is a long pipe. 7. Pipe over 2 miles (3.2 km) in length must have the words 'long pipe painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe. 8. All pipe over 6" in diameter must have the words 'large pipe' painted on it so the contractor will not mistake it for a small pipe. 9. Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts quite separate from the big hole in the middle. 10. When ordering 90 degree, 45 degree or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify right hand or left hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way. 11. Be sure to specify whether you want level, uphill or downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipe for going uphill, the water will flow the wrong way. 12. All couplings should have either right hand or left hand threads, but do not mix the threads - otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one pipe, it is being unscrewed from the other. Respectfully submitted in the interest of standardization, Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 10 06:52:12 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse> Looks like federal government specifications to me Elden. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:44 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications Pipe Specifications: 1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole, surrounded by metal or plastic centered around the hole. 2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length - do not use holes of different length than the pipe. 3. The inside diameter of the pipe must not exceed the outside diameter - otherwise the hole will be on the outside. 4. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole so that water, steam or other stuff can be put inside at a later date. 5. All pipe should be supplied without rust - this can be more readily applied at the job site. Some vendors are now able to supply pre-rusted pipe. If available in your area this product is recommended as it will save a lot of time on the job site. 6. All pipe over 500 ft (153 m) long should have the words 'long pipe' painted on each end, so the contractor will know it is a long pipe. 7. Pipe over 2 miles (3.2 km) in length must have the words 'long pipe painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe. 8. All pipe over 6" in diameter must have the words 'large pipe' painted on it so the contractor will not mistake it for a small pipe. 9. Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts quite separate from the big hole in the middle. 10. When ordering 90 degree, 45 degree or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify right hand or left hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way. 11. Be sure to specify whether you want level, uphill or downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipe for going uphill, the water will flow the wrong way. 12. All couplings should have either right hand or left hand threads, but do not mix the threads - otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one pipe, it is being unscrewed from the other. Respectfully submitted in the interest of standardization, Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 10 08:42:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:42:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: Tommy: Must be! I got some brass pipe the other day from the scrap yard that had an O.D. of 1-1/2" and an I.D. of 0". Must be some of that cheap non-spec. Chinese stuff. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 08:52 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > > Looks like federal government specifications to > me Elden. From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon May 10 08:31:07 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:31:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually. Number 12 may be a problem. There is something called a "Left - Right coupling" that is used for gas pipes that are to be concealed. It is a short length of pipe (nipple) and a coupling that has both left and right hand threads. It is used to join to lengths together without the typical ground coupling that is more likely to leak. Basicly, when you are tightening in the normal direction, the other end is tightening too; drawing both lengths together. So if you pick up a coupling that has one end knurled, you have one in your hand - left or right, it doesn't matter. Paul in California PS: The list is still funny; I just get over technical at times - I do have Plumbing Engineering training that I rarely get to us; hence the nit-picking. PPS: yes, it does sound like a Gov'mt spec. PPPS: You want one for your collection? Go to: http://www.plumbingsupply.com/leftright.html From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 10 08:40:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:40:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: References: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse>, Message-ID: Shaft is a cover up name for un-drilled pipe ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:42:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > Tommy: > > Must be! I got some brass pipe the other day from the scrap yard that had an O.D. of 1-1/2" and an I.D. of 0". Must be some of that cheap non-spec. Chinese stuff. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > > Turner > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 08:52 AM > > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > > > > > Looks like federal government specifications to > > me Elden. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 11:45:35 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:45:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 10 May 2010 08:44, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Arnie, > ? ? ? ? I mentioned it was a long story :-) > > ? ? ? ? He actually did find 2 Wolseleys as well, complete and running but > needing some paint. After they had cluttered up his workshop for about a > year without so much as a wipe clean he loaded them up and delivered them > here - lost interest. > > ? ? ? ? I'm waiting for the same to happen to the Ruston !! Only thing is > that it's not cluttering up his workshop like the Wolseleys were - the > Ruston is in my mates shed (who is a Ruston expert) where it was sent to > see what parts were missing etc. > > ? ? ? ? Maybe I should deliver it back to my bro so that it can get in his > way a bit and speed up the "waning of interest" thing :-) The 1XHR, 1YHR and 1ZHR are pretty similar, especially the last two which are identical apart from injector settings. The injection pump can probably be sorted out, the injector is pure Ruston and not used on anything else. The only other guy I know with a 1HR is John Ambler, he bought it off PTFE and I transported it down to his place near Pulborough in Sussex from Philip's place near Oxford. If John still has it, he may be able to help with close-up shots of the parts, the pushrod is nothing special, the air silencer is just a bit of tinware, the oilers and the other parts are more difficult, but I'll copy this to John and see if he responds. We had the flywheels back on ours on the weekend, and today after painting the rims we had it running. Still bouncy-bouncy but we have eliminated the flywheels now and have also marked the flywheel rim on one side to show the point of greatest deflection of the trolley suspension. You NEED to get that Ruston 1HR out of your mate's place and into your workshop, soon! Once last thing, those pictures illustrate nicely what I was saying about the width of the crankshaft, I think it is almost the same as the length of the engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 11:52:56 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:52:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 April 2010 20:29, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. > We have been experimenting with glow plugs on the Ruston, as the glowing starters that we get from Ray Hooley are gradually becoming 'rocking horse poo', and the unburnt bits stick in the silencer :-)) We tried a short Onan plug which was well red hot in about 10 seconds. but couldn't get much out of the engine at all, so went a bit more modern and found a long-reach glow plug out of the Vauxhall/Opel car diesel, which puts the tip right on top of the piston and in the way of the injector discharge. Knocked up another adaptor tonight (the starter goes into a special housing which screws into the cylinder head, as per Jerry's picture) It's a standard 3/4" BSP blanking plug with an M10 X 1.0 thread in to take the glow plug. With that in place, both flywheels AND the drive wheel on the engine, it fired immediately and picked up on the half compression cam, and really punched away on full whack. Having a hexagonal bodied adaptor turned up now as a permanent fitting, the blanking plugs are too large in the hexagon to fit into the head and we have to run it off on the lather. I'll get some picture posted asap. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 12:07:26 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:07:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010 19:34, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Peter, >> >> The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> >> See ya, ?Arnie > > Yes, we will have it there. > > Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, ?cast two > weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them > to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it > is running, hopefully tomorrow. > > The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg > > through > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg > > The Forum thread is here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 10 more pictures added. Last image is now: http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics131.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 10 16:31:33 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:31:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine mounted. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 10 17:35:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:35:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished In-Reply-To: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: CLASS ACT RON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished > For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and > finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine > mounted. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Mon May 10 16:47:08 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <716f3.383c44af.3919f4fc@aol.com> Very nice I like it. Thanks for sharing. KK In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine mounted. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue May 11 00:00:07 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:00:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] British Seagull motor manuals Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone have a copy scanned of a British Seagull model 102 outboard motor that I could have please. I am after parts and workshop manual. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 11 04:45:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <7ec4a.6bbc5fdb.391a9d6d@aol.com> In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Witte cart painted and finished Sure looks great all put together. What is on the end of the exhaust rod, some kind of assist spring? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 11 08:07:37 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:07:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <20100511.080810.956.40448@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Hi Tom. It is a battery saver. Allows the circuit for the buzz coil to energize only on the compression stroke, not when it is missing. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:49 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > Witte cart painted and > finished > > > Sure looks great all put together. What is on the end of the > exhaust rod, > some kind of assist spring? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: Nikon D90 for $24.73? Special Report: Nikon D90s are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4be972f3cb2b9459c31st02vuc From mgomaize at yahoo.com Tue May 11 15:32:15 2010 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transport from Middletown, Delaware Message-ID: <281564.69112.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, Anyone from the Middletown, Delaware area coming to the Portland swap or anywhere in a reasonable drive of SE Michigan anytime soon. There is a 8 HP Wisconsin engine there I would like to buy. Thanks, Tony From bboyce at swat.coop Tue May 11 18:59:41 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:59:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] head gasket material Message-ID: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> hello all,,,i;ve started back together with the stover 22, and since its been a number of years since i;ve purchased any material for a head gasket, i thought some new and improved material may have surfaced,,, so, what is everyone using nowadays? if i;m not mistaken, the last i bought came from one of the vendors in GEM,,,, any ideas will be appreciated. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From bboyce at swat.coop Tue May 11 19:25:08 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:25:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: yes, tommy, it was in uvalde,,,,, we've traded engines with the guy on several occasions,,he has sold just about everything he had now,,,, he had quiet a collection at one time,, bill > Bill, > Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big > Stover there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 11 19:55:14 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <316F04463AAF428F93411019AC5A4609@D2JYVHJ1> Yes, nice gent. I've bought several things off him over the years. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp Stover yes, tommy, it was in uvalde,,,,, we've traded engines with the guy on several occasions,,he has sold just about everything he had now,,,, he had quiet a collection at one time,, bill > Bill, > Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big > Stover there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2853 - Release Date: 05/11/10 18:40:00 From gastzt at aol.com Wed May 12 05:11:35 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:11:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover Message-ID: <489a0.46d79291.391bf4f7@aol.com> GOSH yes he IS a very nice fellow! I even bought a 8hp Stover from him---NICE old engine! His name is Hensarling----does BEAUTIFUL wood furniture work! Hang in there STOVERS! ha Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 12 08:35:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes Message-ID: <178863d1dba7397a643939954b8feadb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/power_city/2010/05/enpro_has_stake_in_nuclear_renaissance.html See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 12 09:13:53 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes Message-ID: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2010 11:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! Fairbanks built a great engine years ago and still does to this day! One of the very few companies that has remained in business from the start. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed May 12 10:06:13 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes In-Reply-To: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> References: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3AD19939@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, Here's a question for the group. What early engine companies are still in the engine business? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:14 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes In a message dated 5/12/2010 11:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! Fairbanks built a great engine years ago and still does to this day! One of the very few companies that has remained in business from the start. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mcanady at lilleyinternational.com Thu May 13 10:16:30 2010 From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com (Merton Canady) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate Message-ID: I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. Thanks Merton From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 13 18:21:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:21:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] head gasket material In-Reply-To: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> Message-ID: Bill: Lee Pedersen (an advertiser on SMokstak) sells various thickness of the dark grey/black high temperature gasket material. It has always worked fine for me. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] head gasket material > > > hello all,,,i;ve started back together with the > stover 22, and since its been a number of years > since i;ve > purchased any material for a head gasket, i > thought some new and improved material may have > surfaced,,, > so, what is everyone using nowadays? if i;m not > mistaken, the last i bought came from one of the vendors > in GEM,,,, any ideas will be appreciated. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu May 13 17:54:12 2010 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:54:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001caf2ff$fab18280$f0148780$@net> Jerry Evans, a member of this list, makes first class repro brass plates. I have bought several from him and have been very pleased. His contact information is at the bottom of this web page: www.oldengine.org/members/evans Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Merton Canady Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. Thanks Merton _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu May 13 18:01:22 2010 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:01:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Upcomming show June 12-13 In-Reply-To: References: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> Message-ID: The Wood County Historical Society ( www.woodcountyhistory.org ) will hold its annual Heritage Days farm show on June 12-13. Our steam powered oil drilling rig will be in operation as will the S.M. Jones powered pumping power. The Power of Yesteryear will have a display of farm equipment and gas engines on the museum grounds. Various early farm tasks will be demonstrated along with craft displays. I will be demonstrating in the blacksmith shop next to the boiler. A chicken/pork chop BBQ will be on Sunday at 11:30 until gone. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW Bowling Green, Ohio America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 14 02:20:36 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merton; I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. have a look at the link to my engraving. http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. > Thanks > Merton > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:13:51 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:13:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, This being Africa, our ISP's (Internet Service Provider) e-mail servers crashed sometime around Tuesday and have only been restored today (Saturday).(Is "Service Provider" and oxymoron in this case?) I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL and am suffering serious withdrawal symptoms from not having received it for a few days. Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to or I did get the most recent one (14th May - SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 13). Many thanks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:25:00 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:25:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] re. IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142323.034420b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 >From: "Merton Canady" >Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate >I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has >anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can >reproduce one. >Thanks >Merton Hi Merton, I have replied off list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:26:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:26:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142523.03419648@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:54:12 -0500 >From: "Bill Brueck" >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > >Jerry Evans, a member of this list, makes first class repro brass plates. I >have bought several from him and have been very pleased. > >His contact information is at the bottom of this web page: > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN USA Thanks Bill. (Your cheque's in the mail :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:31:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:31:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 >From: frank skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > >Merton; >I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. >have a look at the link to my engraving. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm >Franklin S. Skinner Franklin, With all due respect, an engraved plate will only always be a cheap substitute for a genuine replica etched plate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 15 06:16:43 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 06:16:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On May 15, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th > May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to > or Jerry, If I didn't have my own domain, I would certainly be using a free gmail account from Google. From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 15 07:32:18 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:32:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: , <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry I know that its isnt an etched plate & I dont want your buisness, I mearly offered my engraving if anyone wants it. After all they arnt the same are they. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:31:17 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 5 > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 > >From: frank skinner > >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > > >Merton; > >I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. > >have a look at the link to my engraving. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm > >Franklin S. Skinner > > Franklin, > With all due respect, an engraved plate will only always be a > cheap substitute for a genuine replica etched plate. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 10:04:05 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:04:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest Now O.T. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515183206.00c95740@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 06:16:43 -0700 >From: Rob Skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest > > >On May 15, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th > > May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to > > or > >Jerry, >If I didn't have my own domain, I would certainly be using a free >gmail account from Google. Hi Rob, Thanks for the reply. I do agree and the way things are happening here at the moment it is a distinct possibility but there are reasons for using this one. I'm not too sure how things work elsewhere but I have 4 domains, each with full e-mail facilities (POP3 as well as Webmail) and they are hosted on a server in Cape Town (about 1000 Kms away) (best hosting company in the country - a German crowd by the name of Hetzner). But, due to the distance and as a legacy from the old "dial-up" days my actual internet connection is done with Cyberserv (a local company - local call rates et al.) Although that has changed in recent years and I now have ADSL and can connect from anywhere I am a "sentimental old fool" and prefer to stay with Cyberserv because I was one of their first customers way back in about 1991/2. I have also kept the same address for all that time and not many people can say that they have had the same e-mail addy for nearly 20 years. In all that time they have given me excellent service and if I have a problem, I can call the owner of the business - not a "help desk" anytime day or night and the problem is sorted out immediately. Unfortunately, in this case they had major problems and it took a few days to sort out but I'm not prepared to take my business away from them because of that. Like I said, "I'm a sentimental old fool!!" but that's the way I am. For reasons of convenience all mail addresses on my domains are set up as "aliases" and simply redirect mail to my "cyberserv" address because that's who I connect to the Internet with. I do not have to check mail in different places. In this case it would have been quite a simple matter to stop them forwarding to cyberserv and check them on the Cape town server but I've been pretty busy this week and also never thought the problem would take so long to resolve. Sorry about the long "Off Topic" explanation but that's just who I am :-) Keep well, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat May 15 19:39:57 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:39:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay10/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 15 23:50:59 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 07:50:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 April 2010 20:29, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. More videos from yesterday, got the electric start working, just got to get the alternator working now. First one is a shot as the engine is started on the motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIw0v7HE494 Next is Rita starting it up while I shoot the sequence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vlWk3YNZhY Last is the engine running while up on the wood blocks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUEAamOI-2A Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 06:15:50 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:15:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: <13d71.14107ffe.39214a06@aol.com> In a message dated 5/15/2010 10:48:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Patrick, Some very nice displays there! On the National Gas engine, photo 4029, what is the round object that is mounted to the cooling tank? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 16 07:25:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:25:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: What a nice running engine! Thanks for the videos! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 01:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 06:42:55 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:42:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] tool collection display Message-ID: A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand tool for many years. The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and built a dedicated building to house them. They are very well known in the US tool collectors group. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) Wish my junk was displayed that neat! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 16 06:59:45 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:59:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <13d71.14107ffe.39214a06@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It is the original type gas bag. The owner is in the process of converting the engine from being a petrol engine back to its original gas operation. Patrick On 16/5/10 11:15 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2010 10:48:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: > > Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally > > Patrick, > > > Some very nice displays there! > > On the National Gas engine, photo 4029, what is the round object that is > mounted to the cooling tank? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 16 07:02:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 08:02:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] tool collection display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VERY NICE TOM...THANKS!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: [SEL] tool collection display > A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand > tool for many years. The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and > built a dedicated building to house them. They are very well known in the > US tool collectors group. > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) > > Wish my junk was displayed that neat! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 08:29:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 11:29:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 5/16/2010 10:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: It is the original type gas bag That is neat! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 16 12:10:51 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] tool collection display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294730.90700.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Very nice Tom, I could show you a garage almost like that just down the road from my mother's house. This guy has a four car garage FULL of tools nicely displayed. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: [SEL] tool collection display To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 9:42 AM A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand? tool for many years.? The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and? built a dedicated building to house them.? They are very well known in the? US tool collectors group.? _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) Wish my junk was displayed that neat! Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 17 14:34:35 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:34:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guy's, I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and google won't go through. As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 15:23:52 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:23:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my > behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be > collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send > an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even > tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and > google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 15:28:24 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:28:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 17 19:00:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Craig, Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. The guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 (while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) Dave PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. (See: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for "peaceful purposes" only! PPS, Thanks for your consideration! On May 17, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi Guy's, >> >> I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any >> contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased >> an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my >> behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be >> collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send >> an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even >> tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and >> google won't go through. >> As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending >> messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss >> as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. >> I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via >> Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this >> experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and >> may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at >> Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. >> Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if >> it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. > Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon May 17 15:58:14 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:58:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <20100517225805.A35DF9212@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Craig, If your luck is anything like mine you ought to check the obituaries. Or if you have not been trying for very long they might be on vacation. Whats the sellers user ID and or other info? Reputed location? Mark At 05:34 PM 5/17/2010, you wrote: >Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on > my behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to > be collected by another list member, but when either he or myself > send an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We > have even tried contact by phone but the number listed in white > pages and google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either > via Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > > Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 17 16:19:22 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:19:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>, <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Cuz Rob; I have Guido's number, hes the knee cap guy, here abouts Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: rob at rustyiron.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:23:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > > On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > > > Hi Guy's, > > > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my > > behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be > > collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send > > an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even > > tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and > > google won't go through. > > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. > Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 17 16:20:57 2010 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:20:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000001caf617$9db70b20$d9252160$@net> Curt bought a Sandow from me in 2006, paid cash when he picked up the engine, the transaction was routine; I don't remember a lot about it. I don't have e-mail archives back that far, all I have for you now is the e-mail address from 2006 that's in a spreadsheet I keep: cgstoecker at globalccs.net. Stratford rings a bell, and I would probably have remembered if he were from Ames, since that's my home town and we would have known some people in common and connected a few dots. If he's the guy I'm thinking of, he had a special interest in Iowa-built engines. Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 17 16:36:15 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Craig, you have my sympathy on this as I got burned by a model supplier years back. I gave all the details to the lists and members tried to help me. To no avail though and due to him not doing the right thing (I was not alone in being cheated) and my spreading the word, he is no longer in business. You owe it to the rest to warn and give true details Of this event, along with the details of this person. The outcome will decide his future standing in the hobby. This is the only real way of keeping the hobby 'clean' Good luck with the final outcome. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any contact > information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased an engine from > him in December of last year which was paid for on my behalf by a list > member,it has been arranged for this engine to be collected by another > list member, but when either he or myself send an email to the vendor we > cannot get any reply from him.We have even tried contact by phone but the > number listed in white pages and google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending messages > via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss as what to do > next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this experience > is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and may even make me > think twice about buying anything when I'm at Portland this year out of > fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if it's > just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > > Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 18:51:02 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:51:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> The only number I could turn up was 515 838-2836 I've tried it both as a local and a long-distance call. Both fail to go through. (it should be LD from Des Moines) I've tried DEXKNOWS (the local QWEST phone book online) www.whitepages.com and google and bing No response on email. (but no bounce messages either) I'm at a loss. I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his wife sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that they claimed her uncle had given her child as a present. They lost on both counts. The uncle showed he didn't gift the horse, and did nothing wrong by going and taking it back. But that's all I've been able to find so far......... Bill Runnells, Iowa -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 18:51:40 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:51:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: PS - Stratford - getting up near Fort Dodge......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 19:34:44 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:34:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> Message-ID: <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his > wife > sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that > they > claimed her uncle had given her child Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 17 19:55:09 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:55:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: That may be but it aint helping Craig. His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer park". Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person overseas ever can. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >> wife >> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >> they >> claimed her uncle had given her child > > Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He > sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by > and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a > school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the > horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 20:11:46 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:11:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if anyone that works there might have any ideas........... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker That may be but it aint helping Craig. His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer park". Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person overseas ever can. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >> wife >> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >> they >> claimed her uncle had given her child > > Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He > sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by > and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a > school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the > horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 18 00:08:42 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:08:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Guys, Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I have is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And as Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying and selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name of "JANAES99" . I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact information for him. Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > That may be but it aint helping Craig. > His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is > near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to > him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer > park". > Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person > overseas ever can. > Reg > > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> >> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>> wife >>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>> they >>> claimed her uncle had given her child >> >> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 18:26:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 18 00:15:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:15:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: On 18 May 2010 04:11, Bill Dickerson wrote: > The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if > anyone that works there might have any ideas........... > > Bill I'll ask Harry Matthews if he has any info on the Smokstak members list. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 18 01:18:28 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:18:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He may be dead and not discovered!! You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Guys, > Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I > have > is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And > as > Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this > point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying > and > selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name > of > "JANAES99" . > I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact > information for him. > > Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is >> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to >> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >> park". >> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person >> overseas ever can. >> Reg >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> >>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>>> wife >>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>> they >>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>> >>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 > 18:26:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Tue May 18 03:42:09 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <5914f.69e44ad6.3923c901@aol.com> Bill shoot me a Email as I grew up in Altoona IA. _BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) Thanks Kevin K In a message dated 5/17/2010 9:57:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: Bill Runnells, Iowa From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Tue May 18 03:49:21 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <598f0.5199a52c.3923cab1@aol.com> Here is a suggestion. Do a search for his closest neighbor and give the neighbor a call. That's just to check to see if he lives there. If you then found him, your going to have to contact a local attorney to have a letter sent to him. (Certified) This will flush the man out and let him think something is coming. Keep it cool calm and collective. KK In a message dated 5/18/2010 4:27:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He may be dead and not discovered!! You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Guys, > Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I > have > is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And > as > Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this > point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying > and > selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name > of > "JANAES99" . > I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact > information for him. > > Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is >> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to >> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >> park". >> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person >> overseas ever can. >> Reg >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> >>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>>> wife >>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>> they >>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>> >>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 > 18:26:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 18 05:03:11 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 05:03:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: Yeah, at this point it's simply to contact the fellow to get this wrapped up! No panic yet....... But I find it odd that the only phone listing won't go through and there's no email response. OTOH, we've seen even on this list how something can happen to someone (like they get sick, cancer, or worse........) and well, things happen. So it's possible this is an honest out of touch thing....... we need to be sure. Anyone who lives in my neighborhood would wonder how authorities ever find any bodies as if someone wanted to commit the perfect crime and dispose of all evidence, there's land here just a few yards south of me that no humans have been on for decades. Cell phones don't even work on our property. TV reception sucks. Anyway, we just need a response from the fellow so the engine can be picked up. Bill out in the sticks near runnells! Former mechanic at Porters Auto Parts and Service, Altoona, Iowa Former farmer near Thornton/Clear Lake, Iowa Current classic car nut and antique engine fixer-upper at Runnells > On 18 May 2010 04:11, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if >> anyone that works there might have any ideas........... >> >> Bill > > I'll ask Harry Matthews if he has any info on the Smokstak members list. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 10:01:54 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:01:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? Dave On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He > may be > dead and not discovered!! > You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> Guys, >> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >> have >> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >> 50249. And >> as >> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >> At this >> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >> buying >> and >> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >> the name >> of >> "JANAES99" . >> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >> information for him. >> >> Thanks, Craig >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>> member is >>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>> known to >>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>> park". >>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>> person >>> overseas ever can. >>> Reg >>> >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>> his >>>>> wife >>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>> they >>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>> >>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>> entitlement. He >>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>> came by >>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >> 05/16/10 >> 18:26:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 18 08:13:20 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:13:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> Message-ID: <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now and will call him later today and make the arrangements. WOW and whew! Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL Sort of a "hint"...... Bill > Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit > already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? > Dave > > On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > >> I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He >> may be >> dead and not discovered!! >> You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "craig morrison" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> Guys, >>> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >>> have >>> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >>> 50249. And >>> as >>> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >>> At this >>> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >>> buying >>> and >>> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >>> the name >>> of >>> "JANAES99" . >>> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >>> information for him. >>> >>> Thanks, Craig >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Reg Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>>> member is >>>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>>> known to >>>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>>> park". >>>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>>> person >>>> overseas ever can. >>>> Reg >>>> >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> engine.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>>> his >>>>>> wife >>>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>>> they >>>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>>> >>>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>>> entitlement. He >>>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>>> came by >>>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >>> 05/16/10 >>> 18:26:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 18 08:38:35 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:38:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: On 18 May 2010 13:03, wrote: > Yeah, at this point it's simply to contact the fellow to get this wrapped up! > No panic yet....... > But I find it odd that the only phone listing won't go through and there's > no email response. > OTOH, we've seen even on this list how something can happen to someone > (like they get sick, cancer, or worse........) and well, things happen. > So it's possible this is an honest out of touch thing....... we need to be > sure. > Anyone who lives in my neighborhood would wonder how authorities ever find > any bodies as if someone wanted to commit the perfect crime and dispose of > all evidence, there's land here just a few yards south of me that no > humans have been on for decades. > Cell phones don't even work on our property. TV reception sucks. > > Anyway, we just need a response from the fellow so the engine can be > picked up. > > Bill Had this back from Harry on Smokstak: cgstoecker at globalccs.net Last Smokstak activity 12/2/09 Joined 3/30/07 Curt B Stoecker Age 49 1585 400th St Stratford, IA 50249-7547 (515) 838-2836 Also picking up an unlisted number here - may be old: CURTIS B STOECKER Age 49 1512 FLORIDA AVE AMES, IA 50014 (515) 292-2133 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 18 09:26:54 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:26:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now > and > will call him later today and make the arrangements. > WOW and whew! > > Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL > Sort of a "hint"...... > > Bill Good job, mate! From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 18 09:57:28 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:57:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com><3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <29E46483AB6448198DC9A15A06E50D77@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Curt just emailed me direct as well , and I'm now happy that everything is finally unravelling it's self. I sure everything will now be wrapped up without ant problems, but it was starting to get worrying but atleast its now all sorted. Thanks to all who offered any suggestions of how to go about this, I did think it would help to air this on the list as Bill and myself were always hitting a brick wall. Thanks again , Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED > SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now and > will call him later today and make the arrangements. > WOW and whew! > > Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL > Sort of a "hint"...... > > Bill > >> Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit >> already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? >> Dave >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: >> >>> I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He >>> may be >>> dead and not discovered!! >>> You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "craig morrison" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> Guys, >>>> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >>>> have >>>> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >>>> 50249. And >>>> as >>>> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >>>> At this >>>> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >>>> buying >>>> and >>>> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >>>> the name >>>> of >>>> "JANAES99" . >>>> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >>>> information for him. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Craig >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Reg Ingold" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>> >>>> >>>>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>>>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>>>> member is >>>>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>>>> known to >>>>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>>>> park". >>>>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>>>> person >>>>> overseas ever can. >>>>> Reg >>>>> >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> engine.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> wife >>>>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>>>> entitlement. He >>>>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>>>> came by >>>>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >>>> 05/16/10 >>>> 18:26:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2881 - Release Date: 05/18/10 06:26:00 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 18 11:25:04 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:25:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 18/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > >Hi Craig, > Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. The >guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 >(while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, >on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of >Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low >price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 >bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more >than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more >individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) > Dave >PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at >OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. >(See: >http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html > > Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for >"peaceful purposes" only! >PPS, Thanks for your consideration! Hi Guys, (a bit late but I only get the digest). Wow what an interesting thread. The SEL stands together !! Great stuff. I remember Reg's model problem from a few years - bad one ! Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. Jerry. From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 17:11:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:11:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <426E9D54-ABAF-49A2-9E86-9EF446B2A04E@me.com> > Hi Jerry, I try to save the customer money by a single shot into the left eye and out the back of the head. Arnie, on the other hand, will make it painful if the customer insists. He still follows the "three shot" rule, but the first is in the ankle, the second about 2.1 feet higher and then (after a short time) the third is in the left eye. Dave PS, I'm thinking of going on my own when I grow up, and since my method saves "energy" calling it "The Green Alternative." > Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more > painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. > Jerry. From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 17:14:05 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:14:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6A9333EF-F430-4AC5-87A8-6B1A437C8EF5@me.com> On May 18, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now >> and >> will call him later today and make the arrangements. >> WOW and whew! >> >> Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL >> Sort of a "hint"...... >> >> Bill > > > > Good job, mate! Yup, Good on ya mate! Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 19 01:25:44 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:25:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT Message-ID: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> Hi all A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 19 04:57:12 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:57:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Well Craig must have a really good friend here or at Harry's or somewhere who was watching out for him because I got this last night. Seems someone was "watching" this list or some web site, and decided to contact the sheriff's department who then contacted Curt, and told him what was being said... Hard to believe this is a spoof since it would be SO SIMPLE to check up on! Here's the email........... was someone threatening him?? OR, did a friend of Curt's see the joking around and get PO'd about it? ----------------- Bill, I just got a call from the Hamilton Co. Sherriff stating that someone had forwarded him an e-mail of an internet posting that Craig Morrison has posted threatening me over this engine deal. I was told that I probably should not release this engine to anyone except Craig Morrison with a photo ID. Not sure what to do, Any good ideas? Thank You Curt ----------------- I emailed him back stating I'm on this list and saw no such thing, and in fact I thought Craig was really cool about it all, and wasn't even in panic mode, just wanted to get in contact. I also stated that as proof I'd forward him either email or paper copies of all email I had on the topic showing there was no threat made by Craig at any time, and he was only concerned about contact, and not threatening in any way. I said he was free to call the law around here and ask about me, contact my neighbors, co-workers, etc if he felt it necessary. I've not heard back since. Bill Down by the river near Runnells... > At 06:00 PM 18/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 4 >>Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 >>From: David Rotigel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >>Hi Craig, >> Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. >> The >>guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 >>(while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, >>on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of >>Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low >>price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 >>bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more >>than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more >>individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) >> Dave >>PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at >>OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. >>(See: >>http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html >> >> Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for >>"peaceful purposes" only! >>PPS, Thanks for your consideration! > > > Hi Guys, > (a bit late but I only get the digest). > > Wow what an interesting thread. The SEL stands together !! Great > stuff. I remember Reg's model problem from a few years - bad one ! > > Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more > painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. > Jerry. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed May 19 07:58:00 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:58:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On May 19, 2010, at 4:57 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Well Craig must have a really good friend here or at Harry's or > somewhere > who was watching out for him because I got this last night. > Seems someone was "watching" this list or some web site, and decided > to > contact the sheriff's department who then contacted Curt, and told him > what was being said... What do you expect? This weasel sued his wife's 75 year old uncle for trespassing. He's the kind of guy who will stop at nothing to screw someone over, and now he has Craig's money and won't provide the engine or respond to Craig's attempts to contact him. If Craig was to ask you to act on his behalf and provide the documentation showing that he bought the engine, you could contact the sheriff yourself. Explain how Craig is the victim of wire fraud, and ask them to go have a talk with him. It wouldn't hurt to remind the sheriff that this is the sort of guy who sues a 75 year old uncle. Use the facts to paint him as a bad guy. If that doesn't work, ask them for the procedure by which Craig can call them on the phone and file a complaint. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 19 08:10:41 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:10:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the occasional horn or sounder. Mark At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >Hi all > >A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? >If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 19 08:39:11 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <641083.42497.qm@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Your best bet is to arrange for someone stateside to procure your parts for you from a vendor prior to your visit. Almost anything you need can be bought from Dwane Wyatt wyattsmusical.com at a reasonable price and in good usable condition. A lot of parts look like they might fit but won't when you get them home, so finding a bargain in the flea market usually doesn't work out the way you planned. I have a large (35 piece) collection of Edison cylinder machines, ranging from my 1889 Class M to my Amberola 75, including the models Opera, Idelia, the complete set of Standards and Homes, a few Triumphs, Firesides and Gems. I might have what you need if you let me know. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:10 AM I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are not accurate indicators of future events.? The spring wound motors and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the occasional horn or sounder. Mark At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >Hi all > >A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? >If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 19 14:29:30 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:29:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: But worry about taking them home! My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated on his return flight to Tasmania.!! How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? Sanity is surely dead!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT >I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even > the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are > not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors > and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the > occasional horn or sounder. > > Mark > > > > At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >>Hi all >> >>A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >>my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >>at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? >> >>Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder >>models)? >>If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>Skype name: ozengines >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 19 15:45:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress Message-ID: Gang: The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 19 15:16:44 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20100519221634.E3F1F934F@smtp.wcoil.com> Anything that looks out of the ordinary is at risk of confiscation, hell anything really, Mail small antique and vintage items home. Mark At 05:29 PM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >But worry about taking them home! >My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated >on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > >How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >Sanity is surely dead!! >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:10 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > > > >I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even > > the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are > > not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors > > and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the > > occasional horn or sounder. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: > >>Hi all > >> > >>A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for > >>my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas > >>at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >> > >>Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder > >>models)? > >>If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > >> > >> > >>Regards > >>Peter Lowe > >>R&V Engine Registrar > >>Australia > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >>Skype name: ozengines > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 19 16:43:46 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:43:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <20100519221634.E3F1F934F@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <08AA947B930E4780ADEFAB6AD4518C6A@D2JYVHJ1> There may have been an inspector who needed a set of Letter Punches.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY At 05:29 PM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >But worry about taking them home! >My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated >on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > >How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >Sanity is surely dead!! >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 19 19:14:22 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:14:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Message-ID: Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Wed May 19 22:37:58 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:37:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B58FF0B-474A-4531-887D-7D3091745867@me.com> Ah Patrick, I had the same problem YEARS ago when Jennie became pregnant and I had to find a way to tell my (then) wife Joann. It was a problem on which I spent much thought, many tears and many hours of reflevtion, I spent days in bed with this problen and finally when all my buds arrived we had a meeting, At that meeting ell of those assembelled voted 71% to kill the bitch, I did and the problem was no more On May 19, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 19 19:38:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <51E8952A666F423096F6CFC0C6D09166@D2JYVHJ1> Congratulations Patrick! Get ready. Your life is going to change a LOT in a few months. Old iron will still have its place, but you'll find yourself consumed with something a lot more dear to you....and a lot more work! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2883 - Release Date: 05/19/10 06:26:00 From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 19 20:16:46 2010 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:16:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra References: Message-ID: <003501caf7ca$e2566e10$210110ac@Chester> Well done Patrick & Ann, you need to collect some more old iron for him/her, well thats one of my escuses anyway, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Wed May 19 20:34:08 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:34:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra References: Message-ID: Great news Patrick. In future I may not catch you as often at rallies. All the best. John Mathieson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 06:26:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 06:26:00 From gandr at slingshot.co.nz Wed May 19 21:28:14 2010 From: gandr at slingshot.co.nz (Graham and Ros) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:28:14 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com><3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com><9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <3D0C48784BC447D28C0A619ABDAE3EC0@hagrid> name and shame still works well cheers graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED > > On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now >> and >> will call him later today and make the arrangements. >> WOW and whew! >> >> Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL >> Sort of a "hint"...... >> >> Bill > > > > Good job, mate! > > > > > > > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 19 22:14:04 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 06:14:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 03:14, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone Congratulations from us both! Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Thu May 20 05:25:35 2010 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:25:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001caf817$8f5ec750$0201010a@JBCooper> Congratulations Patrick and Ann. May your bundle of joy bring you many years of happiness. Beryl and I are on the other end of the scale. 43 years married, 3 adult children and 7 grandchildren. No regrets. John Cooper Bega N.S.W. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 12:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 20 05:30:18 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Message-ID: <278d2.5a83830c.3926855a@aol.com> Congrads to both of you. KK In a message dated 5/20/2010 8:29:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes: Congratulations Patrick and Ann. May your bundle of joy bring you many years of happiness. Beryl and I are on the other end of the scale. 43 years married, 3 adult children and 7 grandchildren. No regrets. John Cooper Bega N.S.W. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 12:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 20 09:56:30 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From gandr at slingshot.co.nz Thu May 20 11:21:55 2010 From: gandr at slingshot.co.nz (Graham and Ros) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 06:21:55 +1200 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress References: Message-ID: <77E8564114A345068736FAA294AA043B@hagrid> Hi Elden, That is a great little engine and it sounds nice too, i can't wait to see the next video. just one question, how many hours have you clocked up on it so far (approximately)?. Cheers Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my > webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 12:27:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Steve! Today, I re-did the valve actuator cylinder and put in a stiffer check valve spring and it now motors on about 30 PSI, close enough for now. I'll probably work on ignition tomorrow. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > > > Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 20 11:45:08 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:45:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Parts_available_at_Portland_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=26_Mt_Pleasant_OT?= In-Reply-To: References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Hi Reg It's fear of the unknown. On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his carry-on which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male agents on either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the checked baggage. I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently stamp a rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? Dolly On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: > But worry about taking them home! > My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated > on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > > How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? > Sanity is surely dead!! > Reg& Marg Ingold > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Thu May 20 12:01:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:01:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress References: Message-ID: It has an interesting sound even on compressed air.Can't wait to hear and see it running on gas. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Steve Royster Sent: Thu 5/20/2010 12:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 20 13:28:12 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:28:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you Guys 'n Gals out there in preservation land, From past posts some of you probably remember that one of my favourite places is "Sandstone Estates": Well !!! Look what they just got. A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. This factory is situated in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa and dates to the 1880's. Grahamstown was the most important town in the area accupied by the original 1820 British Settlers and the area is still "very British". The mill is centrally situated in the City of Grahamstown (Grahamstown qualifies as a "city" by virtue of the fact that it has a Cathedral) and as too often happens today, the ground is just too valuable and the "developers" have got in. The whole Mill House came up for auction last week and Sandstone bought it at a bargain price. It consists of a 4 level milling operation all driven by an 1880's (sometime) Crossley Suction Gas engine via lineshafts. There are 4 Roller mills included as well as ALL ancillary equipment. By prior arrangement with the owners and auctioneers the complete building (due for demolition), including the roof and woodwork (floors & roof trusses) as well as all tools, all documents etc. formed part of the "Lot". Well, I cannot describe everything in this post - go and have a look yourselves: If this link "wraps" then copy the part between the <> brackets into your browser. I do not have confirmation on the price apart from a newspaper article someone sent me but it was a bargain. I'd rather not mention it on a public forum at this time but suffice to say that if Arnie (or a few other list members) gave up his "beer money" for a year it could have been theirs. Of course it is going to take many times this amount to dismantle it, move it to it's new home at Sandstone and re-erect it but you can read all about that on the linked page above. It appears that my friend, Andy Selfe, may be tasked with this "job" which will probably take a few years. (But Sandstone does get a "move on" with projects like this). I hope that I'm invited to the "Start Up". While you are on Sandstones site have a look at this page which says a few nice things about me: . (Please forgive the unashamed "ego bashing". It's really nice when customers go to this amount of effort to say "thanks" for a job done. Whenever I do work for them I get a personal letter from the "big boss" thanking me for my effort. Not too many businesses do that anymore and it is well appreciated - makes me try harder next time.) He (the owner/"big boss") also owns a farm in the UK: The pretty girl on the front page is his daughter Tamara. All for now, enjoy the links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 20 14:51:14 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:51:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Because of the grreed (Extra$$ if you have a case) they only had cabin bags for the couple of days here. Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more stressful and difficult. There is a scam in Cambodia where they sell the Tennis racket flyswats in the markets, confiscate at the airport and back to the markets! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > Hi Reg > > It's fear of the unknown. > On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his carry-on > which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. > The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level > with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male agents on > either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The > spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have > dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the > checked baggage. > > I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently stamp a > rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? > > Dolly > > On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: >> But worry about taking them home! >> My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES >> confiscated >> on his return flight to Tasmania.!! >> >> How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >> Sanity is surely dead!! >> Reg& Marg Ingold >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 20 15:56:23 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:28 PM Hi all you Guys 'n Gals out there in preservation land, ? ? ? ???From past posts some of you probably remember that one of my favourite places is "Sandstone Estates": ? ? ? ???Well !!! Look what they just got. A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. This factory is situated in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa and dates to the 1880's. Grahamstown was the most important town in the area accupied by the original 1820 British Settlers and the area is still "very British". ? ? ? ???The mill is centrally situated in the City of Grahamstown (Grahamstown qualifies as a "city" by virtue of the fact that it has a Cathedral) and as too often happens today, the ground is just too valuable and the "developers" have got in. ? ? ? ???The whole Mill House came up for auction last week and Sandstone bought it at a bargain price. ? ? ? ???It consists of a 4 level milling operation all driven by an 1880's (sometime) Crossley Suction Gas engine via lineshafts. There are 4 Roller mills included as well as ALL ancillary equipment. ? ? ? ???By prior arrangement with the owners and auctioneers the complete building (due for demolition), including the roof and woodwork (floors & roof trusses) as well as all tools, all documents etc. formed part of the "Lot". ? ? ? ???Well, I cannot describe everything in this post - go and have a look yourselves: ? ? ? ???If this link "wraps" then copy the part between the <> brackets into your browser. ? ? ? ???I do not have confirmation on the price apart from a newspaper article someone sent me but it was a bargain. I'd rather not mention it on a public forum at this time but suffice to say that if Arnie (or a few other list members) gave up his "beer money" for a year it could have been theirs. ? ? ? ???Of course it is going to take many times this amount to dismantle it, move it to it's new home at Sandstone and re-erect it but you can read all about that on the linked page above. ? ? ? ???It appears that my friend, Andy Selfe, may be tasked with this "job" which will probably take a few years. (But Sandstone does get a "move on" with projects like this). I hope that I'm invited to the "Start Up". ? ? ? ???While you are on Sandstones site have a look at this page which says a few nice things about me: . ? ? ? ???(Please forgive the unashamed "ego bashing". It's really nice when customers go to this amount of effort to say "thanks" for a job done. Whenever I do work for them I get a personal letter from the "big boss" thanking me for my effort. Not too many businesses do that anymore and it is well appreciated - makes me try harder next time.) ? ? ? ???He (the owner/"big boss") also owns a farm in the UK: The pretty girl on the front page is his daughter Tamara. ? ? ? ???All for now, enjoy the links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 17:18:18 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:18:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: <77E8564114A345068736FAA294AA043B@hagrid> Message-ID: Graham: Since I'm now retired, worthless and bone idle (mostly), I don't keep a time sheet but I've been averaging probably 25 hours a week since I started the project sometime around 20 March 2010. You add 'em up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Graham and > Ros > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 01:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > > Hi Elden, > That is a great little engine and it > sounds nice too, i can't > wait to see the next video. > just one question, how many hours have you > clocked up on it so far > (approximately)?. > Cheers > Graham From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 17:24:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: That is quite some undertaking! I wish them the best of luck with the move. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 03:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 20 16:24:40 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:24:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/2010 5:04:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. WOW, what a treasure trove of goodies! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 20 18:31:10 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 18:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: You don't believe in re-cycling? " they sell the Tennis racket flyswats in the markets, confiscate at the airport and back to the markets!" Paul in California PS: A recent plane trip from Las Vegas to SanFran took about ten hours. I could have driven in that time. From rotigel at me.com Thu May 20 21:39:37 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:39:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> Hi Dolly, I just HOPE that you reward Jim PROPERLY for him ALLOWING you to use his 'puter! Dave On May 20, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Reg > > It's fear of the unknown. > On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his > carry-on > which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. > The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level > with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male > agents on > either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The > spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have > dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the > checked baggage. > > I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently > stamp a > rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? > > Dolly > > On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: >> But worry about taking them home! >> My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES >> confiscated >> on his return flight to Tasmania.!! >> >> How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >> Sanity is surely dead!! >> Reg& Marg Ingold >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu May 20 21:45:21 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:45:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: By Golly Darn Reg, That's the same thing the security officers here said about you the last time you visited the USA! Dave On May 20, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more > stressful and > difficult. > Reg From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 20 19:22:32 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:22:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe><20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com><4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk><2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: <42DAB86F0A2C42BC9609D349E00A3663@regpc> Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > By Golly Darn Reg, That's the same thing the security officers here > said about you the last time you visited the USA! > Dave > > On May 20, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: >> Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more >> stressful and >> difficult. >> Reg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 20 20:05:13 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:05:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT Message-ID: <380-2201055213513786@M2W125.mail2web.com> I think it basically falls into two catagories. 1. You pay peanuts - you get monkeys, or in this case Gorillas 2. You give a Gorilla a uniform and it goes to his/her head. There amount of interest in the job is ZERO. Last time in the US I bought a nice Wizard Rotary low tension generator from Ron Haskell. I packed it nice and tightly amoungst my clothes to help preserve it from the Gorilla treament at the airport. Of course it rang bells and sirens on x-ray and I was asked for my key to the pad lock. I told them what it was and to be carefull, I got a stare and told to stand behind the line. He pulled it out and then threw it back in my suitcase, I refused to accept the way it was packed and told them to pack it as I had. We had three goes at this until I asked to speak to a supervisor. This of course added another Gorilla to the equation and finally it was packed as I had done it. On arriving home in Sydney I noticed the suitcase was scuffed a little and on opening it, my generator had the horse shoe magnets almost dislodged from the body of the generator. I guess after I put in onto the conveyor at LAX it was dropped the tree levels of the building in one go and hit the ground with a thud. ;-)) I was hoping to only take a back pack and my laptop in August, but I have a fair bit of R&V literature to bring so I will have to take a small suitcase. I guess we wait in anticipation to see what awaits us this time when we fly across that big pond. Peter, Oz Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu May 20 23:15:51 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:15:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Message-ID: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 engines were displayed. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Thu May 20 23:41:20 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:41:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A3DC6A9-31AB-4844-A619-76E56092E800@rustyiron.com> On May 20, 2010, at 11:15 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just > the > pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check > spelling of > owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. > just > North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 > engines were displayed. > Enjoy. WOW! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 21 00:00:58 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:00:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <380-2201055213513786@M2W125.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Peter, On one trip in the USA, I was sitting at the rear of the plane and, looking out the window, saw my bag on the conveyer. It came to the end, 5 feet off the ground and, THUD!! Yup, nobody to take it off. When I got it from the baggage spinaround, it was split and ruined. I took it to the airline front counter and told them my baggage was damaged. Reply? "How do you know WE did it? Reply, "Cos I watched it exit the plane!" (LOTS of people getting tickets) I then got a voucher for the cost of new luggage.(To MY evaluation of the cost of the original!) Ya gotta play the game THEY set the rules for!! Grin. Travelling around the globe does give you a few clues. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT I think it basically falls into two catagories. 1. You pay peanuts - you get monkeys, or in this case Gorillas 2. You give a Gorilla a uniform and it goes to his/her head. There amount of interest in the job is ZERO. Last time in the US I bought a nice Wizard Rotary low tension generator from Ron Haskell. I packed it nice and tightly amoungst my clothes to help preserve it from the Gorilla treament at the airport. Of course it rang bells and sirens on x-ray and I was asked for my key to the pad lock. I told them what it was and to be carefull, I got a stare and told to stand behind the line. He pulled it out and then threw it back in my suitcase, I refused to accept the way it was packed and told them to pack it as I had. We had three goes at this until I asked to speak to a supervisor. This of course added another Gorilla to the equation and finally it was packed as I had done it. On arriving home in Sydney I noticed the suitcase was scuffed a little and on opening it, my generator had the horse shoe magnets almost dislodged from the body of the generator. I guess after I put in onto the conveyor at LAX it was dropped the tree levels of the building in one go and hit the ground with a thud. ;-)) I was hoping to only take a back pack and my laptop in August, but I have a fair bit of R&V literature to bring so I will have to take a small suitcase. I guess we wait in anticipation to see what awaits us this time when we fly across that big pond. Peter, Oz Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 21 03:46:15 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:46:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> Message-ID: <4BF66477.5040500@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave I've let him go to Nuenen with his twin brother AND made them food and cookies to take, while I stay at home to clean the house and do the gardening. Is that good enough? Dolly On 21/05/2010 05:39, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Dolly, I just HOPE that you reward Jim PROPERLY for him ALLOWING > you to use his 'puter! > Dave > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 21 10:11:13 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ron Frost >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? Hi Ron, No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines either but are they not beautiful? Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a very fine smooth meal (flour). There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kosh at ncweb.com Fri May 21 10:58:00 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521135146.0bf55140@ncweb.com> Actually, I was hoping it would be Rick Rowlands saying he had a rolling mill. The grain machinery is cool though...there are a couple working antique flour mills near here, one is yuppie commercial with a water wheel, the other is a state park with a fairly big steam engine. Dave Merchant At 01:11 PM 5/21/2010, Jerry Evans wrote: >At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Ron Frost > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > >Hi Ron, > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines >either but are they not beautiful? > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains >like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then >used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills >had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a >very fine smooth meal (flour). > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the >subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole >thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 21 10:57:56 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BF6C9A4.8050009@coastalnet.com> Jerry, I think Rob can supply a first person account on the operation of a roller mill. Also one small correction, Jerry; most stone mills have a stationary stone and a rotating, or "runner" stone. Take care. Ken From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 21 11:02:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love any list members to comment on how one would set them up. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Ron Frost > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > Hi Ron, > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > either but are they not beautiful? > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 11:19:17 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <538983.90349.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> thanks Jerry. That answers my question. I also am not familiar with them. I have seen the double stone ones. Not in operation. Just the stones. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 1:11 PM At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ron Frost >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? Hi Ron, ? ? ? ???No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines either but are they not beautiful? ? ? ? ???Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a very fine smooth meal (flour). ? ? ? ???There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri May 21 13:04:16 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:04:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron. Thanks for the pictures, I was hoping to be able to go this year and take my Samson, but it was not to be. So your pictures are the next best thing to being there. Thanks, Steve > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:15:51 -0700 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures > > Hi all. > Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the > pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of > owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just > North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 > engines were displayed. > Enjoy. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Soaring 3000% > Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 13:19:04 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Frank and all SEL list members, I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. Would these pictures be of any help to you? Ralph Holt DeBary, FL. > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > >Message: 8 > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ron Frost > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 21 13:45:16 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Ralph; Contact me directly @ marinesurveys at msn.com I may be of some help in your bearing area, Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: rehot at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. > > Would these pictures be of any help to you? > > Ralph Holt > > DeBary, FL. > > > > > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Message: 8 > > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Ron Frost > > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > Jerry Evans > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 13:47:26 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I for one would love to see them Ralph. I didn't realize you were on this list. I don't post much either. My one and only is a? Montgomery Wards Sattley 1-1/2 HP and doesn't allow me much air time here. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Ralph Holt wrote: From: Ralph Holt Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:19 PM Hi Frank and all SEL list members, I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. Would these pictures be of any help to you? Ralph Holt DeBary, FL. > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > >Message: 8 > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ron Frost > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 21 14:23:27 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CA73386@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Steve, You could still go to the EDGE&TA National Show. June 24-27 Santa Margarita CA EDGE&TA National Show "Best of the West" show Hosted by Branches 27 & 3 Historic Santa Margarita Ranch Call Ben Ostini 805-423-4865 or jbo.aermotor at bigvalley.net or Nancy 559-240-0148 ms.johndeereonsafari at netzero.net There will probably be more California built engines at that show than at the California Gold Show. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Hi Ron. Thanks for the pictures, I was hoping to be able to go this year and take my Samson, but it was not to be. So your pictures are the next best thing to being there. Thanks, Steve This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Fri May 21 14:52:06 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:52:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On May 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the > whole > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Ken is the REAL expert. I've played with one, and have a little hands- on experience. I've described the function on my web page, http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html There are some other pictures of the unit in operation at, http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 We've tried using the roller mill for corn, but it didn't work out well. The flour would cake onto the rollers, making them bigger and bigger until everything jammed up and the belts would slip. Rob From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 14:53:54 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:53:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been in stealth mode Ron. I will send the pictures directly to you. Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:47:26 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > I for one would love to see them Ralph. I didn't realize you were on this list. I don't post much either. My one and only is a Montgomery Wards Sattley 1-1/2 HP and doesn't allow me much air time here. > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Ralph Holt wrote: > > From: Ralph Holt > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:19 PM > > > Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. > > Would these pictures be of any help to you? > > Ralph Holt > > DeBary, FL. > > > > > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Message: 8 > > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Ron Frost > > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > Jerry Evans > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From edurand at mchsi.com Fri May 21 16:15:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. ......................snippety snip.......................... > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 15:33:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:33:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: <000001caf817$8f5ec750$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. I suggested Ronaldson would be a good name for the bub but I don't think I will get away with that one ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 16:05:19 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I haven't seen one either. How about a couple pictures, Ralph? Photobucket or Webshots free phote sharing. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 7:15 PM Ralph: I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids.? :-) I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >? Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. ......................snippety snip.......................... > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > >? > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 16:08:01 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:08:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't know much about railcars either just have this engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to identify it and it seemed like no one had ever seen one like it before either. I have been told that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod bearings and they look a bit like replaceable inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell down to the brass, the other one looks good. Ralph Holt > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > Ralph: > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > ......................snippety snip.......................... > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From edurand at mchsi.com Fri May 21 17:26:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:26:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I'm sure someone here can lead you to a reputable shop that can rebabitt the rod for your engine. All you need to do is send the rod & cap with the shim pack you want and tell them the width and diameter of the journal. All that is left is to apply money and time and your engine will be running. How about pix? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 06:08 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It > is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't > know much about railcars either just have this > engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to > it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what > it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to > identify it and it seemed like no one had ever > seen one like it before either. I have been told > that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The > number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but > this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. > > > > I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 > not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod > bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and > mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame > just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod > bearings and they look a bit like replaceable > inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell > down to the brass, the other one looks good. > > Ralph Holt > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > Ralph: > > > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle > railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on > steroids. :-) > > > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > ......................snippety > snip.......................... > > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat > and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?oci d=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 16:27:21 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:27:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I've never used one of those photo sharing services but I will see if I can figure it out and will post it when I do. Thanks, Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:05:19 -0700 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > I haven't seen one either. > How about a couple pictures, Ralph? > Photobucket or Webshots free phote sharing. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 7:15 PM > > > Ralph: > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > ......................snippety snip.......................... > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From ddotto at cableone.net Fri May 21 17:20:55 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:20:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <57E2ABF75362405B821E1784A6C9F904@shop> Great pics Ron! Thanks, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:16 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Hi all. Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 engines were displayed. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5135 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5135 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5136 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5136 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 17:27:22 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:27:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thank you Elden, I'm working on those pics right now. It's not a very interesting engine with a lot of monkey motion like the hit and miss engines have but it's what it is. The problem with the bearings is they are replaceable bearings like automotive inserts but very beefy. The rod itself does not have the babbitt. I'm at a loss as to how to get this engine running without buying new bearings and the odds of finding these bearings I think would be slim to none, I hope I'm wrong though. I'm about to get the picture thing figured out so I hope to have them up soon. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:26:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > Ralph: > > I'm sure someone here can lead you to a reputable shop that can rebabitt the rod for your engine. All you need to do is send the rod & cap with the shim pack you want and tell them the width and diameter of the journal. All that is left is to apply money and time and your engine will be running. > > How about pix? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 06:08 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > > > Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It > > is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't > > know much about railcars either just have this > > engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to > > it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what > > it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to > > identify it and it seemed like no one had ever > > seen one like it before either. I have been told > > that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The > > number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but > > this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. > > > > > > > > I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 > > not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod > > bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and > > mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame > > just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod > > bearings and they look a bit like replaceable > > inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell > > down to the brass, the other one looks good. > > > > Ralph Holt > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle > > railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on > > steroids. :-) > > > > > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > ......................snippety > > snip.......................... > > > > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > __________________________________________________ > > _______________ > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat > > and e-mail from your inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?oci > d=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:52:11 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:52:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register May 2010 Message-ID: I have been a little busy but the work on the register never ends. I have updated the totals on the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 18:32:35 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:32:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the picture thing. This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, still learning how to drive this car. Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. Ralph http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 21 18:50:21 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:50:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100521215021.I0KW8.6593669.root@mp19> > > The problem with the bearings is they are replaceable bearings like automotive inserts but very beefy. The rod itself does not have the babbitt. I'm at a loss as to how to get this engine running without buying new bearings and the odds of finding these bearings I think would be slim to none, I hope I'm wrong though. > For many years the babbitt man in our area was Adam Loupe. He retired from an automitive machine shop and bought the babbitting equipment when he left, considered obsolete by the shop. When I met him he was in his late 80's and still doing work. A customer came into my shop and saw my hobby table with the babbet rods I had poured. He told me he had an import Diesel tractor that developed a knock, no parts available. Someone told him to go see Mr. Loupe. After looking it over Mr. Loupe told him to get the crank gound until it cleared and leave the bearings with hm. He rebabbitted the bearings and machined them to fit the crank. Last I heard the tractor was still running fine. I rebored a tractor block for a club member, he said he was going to have the babbitt re done. I asked who was going to do it, he said Mr. Loupe, he was 95 at the time. I wish I could have managed to spend some time working with him. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 21 19:25:31 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:25:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <20100521215021.I0KW8.6593669.root@mp19> Message-ID: <20100521222531.RPG7U.6594826.root@mp19> When the local sugar mill was still open I would stop in the machine shop while out road testing vehicles. It was always interesting to see what they were repairing. The shafts for the mill rollers were probably 16"-18", brass bearings with babbit liners. The welder had babbitt wire that looked like solder, he would tin the worn bearings with acid core solder and build up with babbitt, much like soldering. They would then mount the bearings on the table of a large Cincinatti mill and bore them. J.B. From kosh at ncweb.com Fri May 21 19:26:50 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> I just posted a video of one of these beasts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs Dave Merchant At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the >picture thing. > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, >still learning how to drive this car. > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > >Ralph > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > >_________________________________________________________________ >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri May 21 19:39:35 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:39:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Message-ID: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> I finally had time to put captions on the California Gold show. No new pictures just information. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf7441157f1a558b35st03vuc From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 21 20:03:28 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:03:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Very nice Ron. Thanks for the photos and info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I finally had time to put captions on the California Gold show. No new pictures just information. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 21:45:25 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 00:45:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> References: , , <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this David. This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > Dave Merchant > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > >picture thing. > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 23:53:12 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:53:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] It Lives! Message-ID: I finally had some time to devote to my 1916 4hp R&V CR. I pulled the 'money-motion' Wizard bracket off, checked and cleaned it, filed the points flat and put it back on the engine. The pushrod return spring was a bit weak so I shortened it a bit, poured some fuel down the priming cup, and it fired first pull! I still have to rebuild the fuel system and fit the new muffler but it is good to have another R&V running. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From kosh at ncweb.com Sat May 22 00:20:16 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> Went to the stills, it's an F-M. Dave Merchant At 12:45 AM 5/22/2010, you wrote: > > >Thanks for posting this David. > > > >This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked >suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. > > > >The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? > > > >Ralph > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > > >picture thing. > > > > > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGIN > ES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > > - Prof. Phil Jones > > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > > - School of Environmental Sciences > > - University of East Anglia > > - Norwich, UK > > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your >inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 07:20:44 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: Interesting engine! I agree that the rod needs to be rebabitted but the bore doesn't look too shabby for the engine to run. You might try to put it back together with the old rings and just a slight honing of the bore when you get the rod back and see how it runs. I'll bet it runs fine. I don't think the railroad folks cared much about their track crews living in all the smog and noise from the engine. It doesn't look like it had any kind of exhaust system at all - just blew it out the port. Good luck and thanks for sharing the phos. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 08:33 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > OK all interested, I think this is going to work, > my first try at the picture thing. ...............snip...................... From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 07:36:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: Thanks for the photos! One caution, though. For the sake of preserving these fine historical relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you ship as many as possible of them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few for safekeeping. I also think that others would be willing to undergo the hardship of saving them. The reason for our munificence is that the world would be very unhappy if you Californians are unheedful and they went into the Pacific when the "left coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. Please let me know which engines you will ship (prepaid) to the Redneck Riviera. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 09:40 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > I finally had time to put captions on the > California Gold show. No new > pictures just information. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat May 22 08:47:49 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:47:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Elden, GREED is never a pretty thing to watch!. Cya, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Ron: Thanks for the photos! One caution, though. For the sake of preserving these fine historical relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you ship as many as possible of them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few for safekeeping. I also think that others would be willing to undergo the hardship of saving them. The reason for our munificence is that the world would be very unhappy if you Californians are unheedful and they went into the Pacific when the "left coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. Please let me know which engines you will ship (prepaid) to the Redneck Riviera. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 09:40 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > I finally had time to put captions on the > California Gold show. No new > pictures just information. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:15:44 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:15:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522183852.00d0bcd0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:57:56 -0400 >From: Ken Christison >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >Jerry, > >I think Rob can supply a first person account on the operation of a >roller mill. > >Also one small correction, Jerry; most stone mills have a stationary >stone and >a rotating, or "runner" stone. > >Take care. > >Ken Thanks Ken, As mentioned, I'm no expert and you have set me straight on this one. I appreciate learning and that's just another reason why these lists are so enjoyable. May I ask a question? Is the "grain" fed in at the centre of the stones (somehow missing the shaft arrangement) and how does it make it's way to the outside of the stones to be collected. I know that it (the rotating stone) turns quite slowly so do not think that centrifugal force would come in to play too much or does it ? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:24:05 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:24:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522191650.00d0ed40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 >From: Ralph Holt >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: > >Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > >I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post >because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that >doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. Hi Ralph, Welcome! These lists need participation to survive. I also do not have any "hit 'n miss" engines apart from my Maytag) (Shuddup Dave and Arnie :-)) but that does not mean that you cannot post messages. Hope to see you around more often. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 10:36:56 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:36:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com>, , , <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com>, <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave, would you happen to have any contact information for the gentleman who owns this motorcar? I would really like to talk with him about his engine and see if he knows of any parts sources. Thanks, Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:20:16 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Went to the stills, it's an F-M. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 12:45 AM 5/22/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Thanks for posting this David. > > > > > > > >This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked > >suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. > > > > > > > >The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? > > > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > > > >picture thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > > > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGIN > > ES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > > kosh at nesys.com > > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > > http://www.nesys.org > > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > > > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > > > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > > > - Prof. Phil Jones > > > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > > > - School of Environmental Sciences > > > - University of East Anglia > > > - Norwich, UK > > > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > >inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:50:35 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:50:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522192529.00d0fac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:52:06 -0700 >From: Rob Skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list > >On May 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the > > whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > >Ken is the REAL expert. I've played with one, and have a little hands- >on experience. I've described the function on my web page, >http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html > There are some other pictures of the unit in operation at, > http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 > >We've tried using the roller mill for corn, but it didn't work out >well. The flour would cake onto the rollers, making them bigger and >bigger until everything jammed up and the belts would slip. > >Rob Hi Rob, Yes, we know that Ken is the expert but your page is really great - thanks for going to the trouble. I learnt a lot from it and it answered a lot of questions for me. I always wondered about the "fine stuff" (flour). That was/is more profitable than the "coarse stuff" (hog feed). How do you increase the amount of profitable flour through a "roller mill" - easy answer (from your page) - put it through the mill again and again until the percentage of "fines" has reached an acceptable level. So simple - why did I not realise that before? The original mill house you describe is multi level (as was the one I originally posted about) and now I understand why they were built this way. Take raw grain to the top and reap the profits at the bottom! Thanks mate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:58:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:58:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522195147.00cf0410@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:33:28 +1000 >From: Patrick Livingstone >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > >Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. >I suggested Ronaldson would be a good name for the bub but I don't think I >will get away with that one ;) > >Patrick M Livingstone Hi Patrick, Good try !!!! Maybe if it's a girl you could try "Roseberry" (an "r" added) - just a thought! :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From christison at coastalnet.com Sat May 22 12:01:29 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:01:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Burr mill info Message-ID: <4BF82A09.2070208@coastalnet.com> I keep getting the following message: "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed" Not sure if it is going through, or not. Sorry if it did. Ken Hi Jerry, The grain is fed in through the center of the stationary stone and is augered in by a worm on the shaft. The stones are dressed so the center portion has fairly deep grooves and tapers out to nothing at the outer edge of the stone. Centrifugal force carries the grain towards the rim and it gradually gets ground down. There are small "paddles" at the rim end of the runner stone that carry the ground material to the spout that usually runs into a sifter/shaker that further separates the ground grain. The stones on the smaller mills that most of us have will run from 500RPM for the 30 inch up to 1000RPM for the 12 inch stones, so yes, centrifugal force is part of the process. Take care. Ken From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 12:28:38 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:28:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hello Elden, Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning the piston and rings up, just light honing of the cylinder and put it back together. The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can get it freed up without breaking it. The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on this engine because it has what is very much like automotive inserts of brass that will come out of the rod and they are held in place to keep them from spinning via pins. The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) and says number per car (1.) Part number: MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or removed to adjust the fit on the crank. The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it and also so does the insert (bushing.) Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe that can be put on instead then the exhaust can be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I guess that option is a little better than the way it is now. At least I think I should be able to make some new friends with the Maytag folks. :) Thank you for your input. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:20:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Ralph: > > Interesting engine! I agree that the rod needs to be rebabitted but the bore doesn't look too shabby for the engine to run. You might try to put it back together with the old rings and just a slight honing of the bore when you get the rod back and see how it runs. > > I'll bet it runs fine. > > I don't think the railroad folks cared much about their track crews living in all the smog and noise from the engine. It doesn't look like it had any kind of exhaust system at all - just blew it out the port. > > Good luck and thanks for sharing the phos. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 08:33 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > OK all interested, I think this is going to work, > > my first try at the picture thing. > > ...............snip...................... > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 12:40:18 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:40:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522191650.00d0ed40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Thank you for the welcome Jerry. I'll work on keeping the mosquitoes under control in the US and you do the same in SA. :) Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:24:05 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 > >From: Ralph Holt > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: > > > >Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > > >I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post > >because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that > >doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > Hi Ralph, > Welcome! These lists need participation to survive. I also do not > have any "hit 'n miss" engines apart from my Maytag) (Shuddup Dave and > Arnie :-)) but that does not mean that you cannot post messages. > > Hope to see you around more often. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 13:45:40 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:48 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > Elden, GREED is never a pretty thing to watch!. Cya, Jimmy > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > Ron: > > Thanks for the photos! > > One caution, though. For the sake of preserving > these fine historical > relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you > ship as many as possible of > them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few > for safekeeping. I also > think that others would be willing to undergo the > hardship of saving them. > > The reason for our munificence is that the world > would be very unhappy if > you Californians are unheedful and they went into > the Pacific when the "left > coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. > > Please let me know which engines you will ship > (prepaid) to the Redneck > Riviera. From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 13:50:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. Afterward, reaming gets them to size. Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very large variety of sizes. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Hello Elden, > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > cylinder and put it back together. > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > this engine because it has what is very much like > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > from spinning via pins. > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > guess that option is a little better than the way > it is now. > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > Thank you for your input. > > Ralph From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 13:36:58 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:36:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank too just the crank pin size maybe? Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on about how much it would cost to do? Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Ralph: > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very large variety of sizes. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > it is now. > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > Ralph > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat May 22 15:51:51 2010 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from the right brass. just my 02$ R Fink At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on >about how much it would cost to do? > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > >Ralph > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Ralph: > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > large variety of sizes. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more >from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 17:10:56 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:10:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> References: , , , <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. You can see them in the pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink If you scroll down a bit in the photos you will see the badly worn bearing shell that has most of the babbitt gone, I'm holding it in my hand. Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: nancydick at pennswoods.net > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from > the right brass. just my 02$ > R Fink > > > > > At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: > > >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this > >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my > >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank > >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > > > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on > >about how much it would cost to do? > > > > > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > > large variety of sizes. > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more > >from your inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 18:24:54 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:24:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I will leave it to others on the list to steer you to one of the shops that does that type of rebabbiting. The last time I had that done was in about 1971, when I had the rods and mains done for my American LaFrance monster sportscar. I believe Federal Mogul in Kansas City did them but I'll about bet that they are not doing that anymore. The cost shouldn't be prohibitive. Just make sure you have the crankpin diameter measured accurately, both diameter and width. Check the advertisers on Harry Matthews' website, Smokstak.com. If that doesn't work for you, let me know and I'll cast about. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 03:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could > be done on this type of rod, thanks for clearing > it up for me. I was thinking my only option would > be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > I take that the person who does this work would > not need the crank too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > Sorry for all the questions this is new territory > for me but I'm learning. > > > > Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a > ball park guess on about how much it would cost to do? > > > > Thank you Elden for all the good information, I > appreciate it very much. > > Ralph From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 22 17:35:36 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:35:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Message-ID: <20100522.173556.962.202212@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Hi Elden. I think it is: He who dies, dies. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 "Elden DuRand" writes: > Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! > > After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf8788f59ff65914c1st04vuc From jbcast at charter.net Sat May 22 19:17:21 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:17:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100522221721.472ZH.6614142.root@mp06> ---- Ralph Holt wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. > > I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. > Heat the bearing and wipe with a damp cloth, the babbitt should wipe clean. Use the same procedure to tin the bearings with acid core solder, agian wiping with a damp cloth. Install the bearings in the rod, use some aluminum shims in the split. Drill a hole in an oak board to receive the piston pin, insert the piston pin in the small end of the rod, block the rod so it's paralell with the board. Center a piece of shaft 1/4" or so smaller than the crank pin in the big end, the shims should touch the shaft, rtv silicone can be used to seal the rod to the board, no need to wait for it to dry. Preheat the pin and the rod, pour full of babbitt. After it cools the bearing should split at the shims, remove the piece of shaft, reassemble. Have it bored to size if you don't have the equipment to do it. J.B. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 06:22:57 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:22:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100522.173556.962.202212@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: I think that's true, too! :-) Remember, "Death is Mother Nature's subtle way of telling you that you should slow down." Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 07:36 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > Hi Elden. > I think it is: He who dies, dies. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 "Elden DuRand" > > writes: > > Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! > > > > After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun May 23 06:58:57 2010 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4bf934b5.c36cdc0a.2821.604d@mx.google.com> I see what you are saying. R Fink At 08:10 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Richard, > >The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume >to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much >gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. > >I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. > >You can see them in the pictures here: > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > >If you scroll down a bit in the photos you will see the badly worn >bearing shell that has most of the babbitt gone, I'm holding it in my hand. > >Ralph > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: nancydick at pennswoods.net > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from > > the right brass. just my 02$ > > R Fink > > > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this > > >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my > > >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > > > > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank > > >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > > > > > > > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on > > >about how much it would cost to do? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > > > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > > > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > > > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > > > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > > > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > > > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > > > large variety of sizes. > > > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more > > >from your inbox. > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:W > LMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 12:12:28 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:12:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! Message-ID: Gang: For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 23 12:09:16 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100523150821.0b78cec0@ncweb.com> Excellent! The bidirectional running feature suggests a possible marine application. Dave Merchant At 03:12 PM 5/23/2010, you wrote: >Gang: > >For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish >Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > >Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 13:27:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:27:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100523150821.0b78cec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave: Yes - I figured that it would run in either direction and kind of wondered why it hadn't been used for boats. I guess that the McVicker engine production was short-lived and that during period no one tried to promote the design for marine use. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Merchant > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 02:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > > Excellent! > > The bidirectional running feature suggests a > possible marine application. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 03:12 PM 5/23/2010, you wrote: > >Gang: > > > >For those who have been following the project, > today The McVickerish > >Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > > > >Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube > video is now up. > > > >Take care - Elden > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of > adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from > 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, > Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From r7734g at hotmail.com Sun May 23 12:57:43 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:57:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden Congratulations on the first smoke. I have enjoyed following the progress on this engine as well as reading and watching the whole story on the Hvid. I appreciate the time you have taken to document your progress. I especially like seeing your solutions to making complex engine forms without castings. You are an inspiration for me. I have had some ideas and general plans for building up some other engine types so seeing your approach has given me new ideas as well as encouragement. I just need to retire so I can find more time to devote to the hobby. RonG > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:12:28 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > Gang: > > For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > > Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 14:23:53 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:23:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: I'm glad you enjoy my musings. That's the reason I do it. Being retired with lots of time really helps but this is something I've always wanted to do. As long as my mind and physical health lasts, I think I can keep busy designing and building unusual engine types. After I get the McVickerish engine debugged and reliable, I have an idea for a one valve 4-cycle engine. Until I can start drawing on it, I won't know if it will work. Anyway, thanks for your comments! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ron Gerlach > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 02:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > > > Elden > > > > Congratulations on the first smoke. I have > enjoyed following the progress on this engine as > well as reading and watching the whole story on > the Hvid. I appreciate the time you have taken > to document your progress. I especially like > seeing your solutions to making complex engine > forms without castings. You are an inspiration > for me. I have had some ideas and general plans > for building up some other engine types so seeing > your approach has given me new ideas as well as > encouragement. I just need to retire so I can > find more time to devote to the hobby. From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 23 16:23:20 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:23:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? regards Russell From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun May 23 21:31:44 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:31:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, Good to hear you have the Blackstone running again. I'm interested in how you plan to take the wobble out of the flywheel. Rupert On 5/23/2010 5:23 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to > tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it > runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side > shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was > due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft > seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the > gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side > flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice > big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the > one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a > different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2892 - Release Date: 05/23/10 12:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 24 03:44:27 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:44:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <20100524104417.E0B1E3B41A7@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> G'day Rupert, mate I'm interested to know how I'm gonna get the wobble out also! :-) Pretty sure the crank has a slight bend so looks like I will be hunting advice on how other before me have straightend big shafts. A fellow club member some years back pulled a big bend out of a 6hp blackstone crank shaft with the flywheel still on; they used plenty of heat and a porter power. A very good result but something I have never had to do before. Russell At 02:31 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: >Hello Russel, > Good to hear you have the Blackstone running again. I'm > interested in >how you plan to take the wobble out of the flywheel. > >Rupert From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 24 06:22:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:22:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russell: Don't you just love that feeling when a long-silent engine comes back to life! Good on 'ya, mate. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 06:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone > > > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I > finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough > to fire it up. ..................snip.................... From gastzt at aol.com Mon May 24 06:03:11 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:03:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone Message-ID: <4b001.2603379a.392bd30f@aol.com> Stan here--- heck I had a bad wobble in an old Stover--- you know how I fixed it? I just let 'er wobble---- ! But it sure run good----LOL Stan Zettner Old Stovers!!!! you guys be careful out there! From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 24 09:49:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:23:20 +1000 >From: Russell Gilbert >Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <20100523232311.E221D30418C at gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp >blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to >tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it >runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side >shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was >due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft >seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the >gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side >flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice >big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the >one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a >different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? >regards Russell Well done Russell, No, you're right, not my forte, I know the Blackstone plates - beautiful but alas, cast not etched. I've often thought that someone with a bit of ingenuity should be able to reproduce a cast plate quite easily if they had an original to use as a "master". Casting is not a strong point of mine but surely, if you could borrow one it would be easy to take it to a sandcaster to make a mould? I've seen our local "non ferrous" casting guys making really complicated designs literally in minutes. I do realise that shrinkage comes into the equation but on something like a plate this is not important. The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. Try your Aussie mates and borrow a plate to make a casting from. If you need to add serial numbers and suchlike then take it to an engraver later or stamp them in. One thing I've found about engine people in South Africa is that most of them do not mind taking a piece off their engine and "lending" it to you to copy - I assume that this is the same elsewhere. I've seen "rocker arms" and other parts replicated in this way before. All for now, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 24 10:53:11 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 19:53:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that I NEEDED. WELL, it's mine now. I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). It's mine !! Signed,sealed and soon to be delivered. I'll restore an equivalent Horsepower (common engine - Wolseley WLB9 as Arnie suggested) and pay him a cash for what he paid for the Ruston. This will be quite a long term project due to the fact that I do not have unlimited funds to allocate to my hobby but it WILL happen. There are a quite a few missing parts but, fortunately, nothing too difficult. Will just need cash ! (Anyone needing to order any etched brass engine plates? Now would be a good time :-)) Here are two scanned pics that I did post earlier of the engine type. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From christison at coastalnet.com Mon May 24 11:06:16 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:06:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFAC018.6090907@coastalnet.com> Congratulations, Jerry!! Ain't life grand:-) Ken Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 24 11:25:39 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:25:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! Message-ID: <20100524.112632.22947.56298@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> Way to go Jerry. Looks like a really great engine. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Term Life Insurance Coverage levels: $250K, $500K, $1M. Cheap rates online, simple, fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bfac4fcaef1613387st06vuc From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon May 24 15:49:51 2010 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foundries Message-ID: Russell; I have had cast plates reproduced, but not from a conventional founder. There, results were unsatisfactory. I was told to search out an "Art Foundry"... and they did a great job. The proprietor told me that they used a fine grade of sand and that they were accustomed to detail. In fact, the stamped numbers etc. in the original plate reproduced so clearly that I didn't need to re-stamp. This particular "art foundry" typically cast stuff in brass and bronze, and to them, my job was "no big deal". With over-eager inspectors enforcing more restrictive government regulations, many of our small foundries are gone. The politicians talk about "creating new jobs" but it seems they are focused on "green"... and, of course, perpetuating their own lifestyle. Jim in Vermont > Well done Russell, > No, you're right, not my forte, I know the Blackstone plates - > beautiful but alas, cast not etched. > > I've often thought that someone with a bit of ingenuity should be > able to reproduce a cast plate quite easily if they had an original to use > as a "master". > > Casting is not a strong point of mine but surely, if you could > borrow one it would be easy to take it to a sandcaster to make a mould? > I've seen our local "non ferrous" casting guys making really complicated > designs literally in minutes. I do realise that shrinkage comes into the > equation but on something like a plate this is not important. > > The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched > fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've > just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not > anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of > the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had > also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been > anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and > were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. > > Try your Aussie mates and borrow a plate to make a casting from. > If you need to add serial numbers and suchlike then take it to an engraver > later or stamp them in. > > One thing I've found about engine people in South Africa is that > most of them do not mind taking a piece off their engine and "lending" it > to you to copy - I assume that this is the same elsewhere. I've seen > "rocker arms" and other parts replicated in this way before. > > All for now, > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > /listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 24 17:15:35 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:15:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I have one on order!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother > that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I > mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" > (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", > "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). > > It's mine !! Signed,sealed and soon to be delivered. I'll restore > an equivalent Horsepower (common engine - Wolseley WLB9 as Arnie > suggested) > and pay him a cash for what he paid for the Ruston. > > This will be quite a long term project due to the fact that I do > not have unlimited funds to allocate to my hobby but it WILL happen. > > There are a quite a few missing parts but, fortunately, nothing > too difficult. Will just need cash ! > > (Anyone needing to order any etched brass engine plates? Now would > be a good time :-)) > > Here are two scanned pics that I did post earlier of the engine > type. > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 24 18:13:09 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:13:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> > > The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched > fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've > just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not > anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of > the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had > also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been > anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and > were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. > Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes me want to try it. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 19:58:41 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:58:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Good stuff Russell. If you have no luck getting a name plate for your engine, talk to the 'Maltese Mafia' here in Sydney. I pulled the name plate off my Austral to get one cast for Kerry & I am sure we could get a Blackstone one cast off one of the many engines here in Sydney. On Blackstones it is usually the crank that is bent rather than the flywheel itself as the flywheels seem to be pretty sturdy. My 4hp is badly bent on the sideshaft side but should be fixable. All the best, Patrick On 24/5/10 9:23 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to > tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it > runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side > shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was > due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft > seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the > gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side > flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice > big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the > one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a > different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 20:00:17 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Gee Jerry, All you need is the boat to go with your new anchor ;) Just kidding, they are a real nice smooth running engine. It should keep you out of mischief for at least a week. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 24 20:29:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. On Mon, May 24, 2010 1:53 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I > mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" > (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", > "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon May 24 20:45:19 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:45:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> References: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> Message-ID: <4BFB47CF.6010804@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, I think JB is right. I use a similar mix to make cores. Rupert On 5/24/2010 7:13 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >> >> The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched >> fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've >> just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not >> anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of >> the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had >> also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been >> anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and >> were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. >> > Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes me want to try it. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2893 - Release Date: 05/24/10 00:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon May 24 20:49:52 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:49:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFB48E0.5030509@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, Guys, Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be an interesting project to try casting one. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 21:00:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:00:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <4BFB48E0.5030509@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Here are a couple on my site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/blkstnbadge.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091506.JPG On 25/5/10 1:49 PM, "Rupert" wrote: > Hello Russel, Guys, > Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done > some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD > software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be > an interesting project to try casting one. > > Rupert Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 25 00:00:44 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:00:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone References: Message-ID: <064C266FE9864799BC075D2A8C94D9ED@regpc> Hey Patrick, you ARE sailing close to the wind with that sort of statement!!! Ya wanna be around for the birth of your child, HUSH YO MOUTH!! Ya just DONT upset 'those' folk! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone > Good stuff Russell. If you have no luck getting a name plate for your > engine, talk to the 'Maltese Mafia' here in Sydney. I pulled the name > plate > off my Austral to get one cast for Kerry & I am sure we could get a > Blackstone one cast off one of the many engines here in Sydney. > On Blackstones it is usually the crank that is bent rather than the > flywheel > itself as the flywheels seem to be pretty sturdy. My 4hp is badly bent on > the sideshaft side but should be fixable. > All the best, > Patrick > > > On 24/5/10 9:23 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > >> G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp >> blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to >> tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it >> runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side >> shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was >> due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft >> seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the >> gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side >> flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice >> big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the >> one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a >> different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your >> bag? >> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue May 25 04:21:26 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>, <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: >From your brother!? Oh boy....... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ---------------------------------------- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > > I have one on order!!!! > > MR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Evans" > >> >> I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & >> Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother >> that >> I NEEDED. >> _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:29:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:29:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525181453.02bebcb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 15 >Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:26 +0000 >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > > >From your brother!? Oh boy....... > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Yes Luke, AND, we're still friends :-) Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:51:02 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Foundries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525183651.00cb77e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:51 -0400 >From: "Jim Hardman" >Subject: [SEL] Foundries > >Russell; > >I have had cast plates reproduced, but not from a conventional founder. >There, results were unsatisfactory. > >I was told to search out an "Art Foundry"... and they did a great job. The >proprietor told me that they used a fine grade of sand and that they were >accustomed to detail. In fact, the stamped numbers etc. in the original >plate reproduced so clearly that I didn't need to re-stamp. This particular >"art foundry" typically cast stuff in brass and bronze, and to them, my job >was "no big deal". > >With over-eager inspectors enforcing more restrictive government >regulations, many of our small foundries are gone. The politicians talk >about "creating new jobs" but it seems they are focused on "green"... and, >of course, perpetuating their own lifestyle. > >Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, You are right about "conventional founder" but I did mention a non ferrous founder. These guys often use the finer grade of "sand" and get really good detail. "Fingerprints" good enough? I'm only mentioning this because many members may not have art foundries nearby - non ferrous founders are all over the place. We also have an art foundry nearby but the owner is a paedophile (pedophile)so we do not support him :-( Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:55:51 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:55:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185125.02c00268@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:15:35 -0400 >From: "Mike Royster" >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0 at mikecomp> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I have one on order!!!! > >MR Thanks Mike, Not forgotten, just very busy with my daytime job. I've been through a rough time "business wise" for the last 18 months or so but just at the moment have a lot of work - that's why I can negotiate to buy a Ruston :-) keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:09:50 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:09:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185651.00cb04c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:13:09 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate > > > > > > > The guy who showed > >Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas >would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes >me want to try it. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) Hi JB, I hope you do try it and let the rest of us know how it's done. The whole process looked so simple - once you had the master and the right equipment! They were making split moulds to be able to remove the casting but I did not pay too much attention to how they did this. Their moulds were re-useable unlike the iron founders I use who break the mould off the casting - at least for "one-off" jobs like we have made. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:14:56 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:14:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191056.00cb83b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:17 +1000 >From: Patrick Livingstone >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > >Gee Jerry, >All you need is the boat to go with your new anchor ;) >Just kidding, they are a real nice smooth running engine. It should keep you >out of mischief for at least a week. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html Hell Patrick, This aint a Maytag :-) - boat anchor - HRUMPH !! :-) Unfortunately, much more than a week !! Keep well, Jerry From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue May 25 10:21:52 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFC0730.1090007@xplornet.com> Thanks Patrick. Those pictures are great and should work fine to create a *.dxf file to use to make a pattern. What I need yet is a dimension to get the proper scale. The width or height and the thickness would be nice. And of course the time to work on it. Rupert On 5/24/2010 10:00 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Here are a couple on my site: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/blkstnbadge.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091506.JPG > > > On 25/5/10 1:49 PM, "Rupert" wrote: > >> Hello Russel, Guys, >> Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done >> some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD >> software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be >> an interesting project to try casting one. >> >> Rupert > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/24/10 12:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:50:34 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:50:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191514.02c2e998@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Arnie Fero" >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: > <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. Hi Arnie, I dunno about the "YEE HAW" but a few good "Brandy & Cokes" did it for me !! Thanks for the wishes. Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:52:59 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:52:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:45:19 -0600 >From: Rupert >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4BFB47CF.6010804 at xplornet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello Jerry, > I think JB is right. I use a similar mix to make cores. > >Rupert Hi Rupert, Please tell us more. Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 11:23:58 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:23:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:49:52 -0600 >From: Rupert >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4BFB48E0.5030509 at xplornet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello Russel, Guys, > Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I > have done >some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD >software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be >an interesting project to try casting one. > >Rupert Hi again Rupert, The pic that Patrick linked to: should be good enough. What will you use to create the "Master" ? I'm pretty sure that most of the originals must have had some Pantograph work involved and with today's CNC machines it would be easy. The "hatch" pattern in the background could be done on a CNC machine but another method used was to cut the letters and outline (all the raised bits) from thin stock, polish all the machining marks out of them and then "fix" them to a background material (which could have been something like a fine wire mesh - think fly screen netting) and make an intermediate mould from that. Then more polishing with things like dentists drills and general cleaning and tidying up - it must have taken hours but they were craftsmen. If you would like to give it a try then I'd like to get involved as well (joint project) I could copy the plate the same way as I do for my etched plates (no modern computer fonts - redraw each letter the way it was originally. I also use a CAD programme and could send you a .dxf file to import. You take it from there. Think about it and let me know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 25 11:11:22 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:11:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191514.02c2e998@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Hi Jerry, I owe you for one of your beautiful etched tags. Don't you need Ruston payment money????? Steve > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:50:34 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 10 > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Message-ID: > > <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. > > Hi Arnie, > I dunno about the "YEE HAW" but a few good "Brandy & Cokes" did it > for me !! Thanks for the wishes. > > Keep well, > Jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 25 19:30:12 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:30:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185651.00cb04c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: There's also what's called "Investment" or "Lost Wax" casting. This is used for artwork, gold teeth and things like turbine blades. Basically how it works is you make a mould of your part out of RTV rubber, plaster paris, etc, then make a cast of that using either beeswax or one of the modern materials. What you now have is a positive image of the part you want to reproduce. This wax image then has sprue holes attached (wax rods) so the metal will flow into the mold. The whole works is then repeatedly dipped into a slurry that, when dried and baked, can withstand the high temperature of the molten metal. At the time of the baking, the wax melts out. Pour metal into the matrix and, when cool, chip off the outer coating and, voila! New part virtually identical to the original. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:10 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 07:37:02 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:37:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFD320E.3090006@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, I've used the old hand method of making and engraving in the past. I use Autocad 2000 now to create the drawing in DXF format. Then import the DXF file into Sheetcam to get the Gcode, Notepad to edit the code (if necessary) and then load the code into Mach3 to control a CNC router table I built last year. In this case, I would load the image into Autocad and trace the outlines into different layers. I bought PhotoVcarve recently which I think will remove some steps as I think it will go directly from the image to outputting the Gcode. PhotoVcarve is new to me so I'm still learning it. I would use the CNC to cut several wood patterns and then mount them on a pattern board if there is any likelihood of more than one casting needed. I would then use the pattern board to make a sand mold using an oil base sand (petrobond). That is, if the casting is thick enough to use the sand casting method. Another way is to use investment casting to cast the plates. Investment casting works better if the part is too thin for sand casting. Do you have a dimension or two to get the size right? Rupert Ps. I will put up a web page on the sand/sodium silicate process as others have asked the same question. Remind me if I haven't made an announcement in a few days. On 5/25/2010 12:23 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi again Rupert, > The pic that Patrick linked to: > > should be good enough. > > What will you use to create the "Master" ? > > > If you would like to give it a try then I'd like to get involved > as well (joint project) I could copy the plate the same way as I do for my > etched plates (no modern computer fonts - redraw each letter the way it was > originally. I also use a CAD programme and could send you a .dxf file to > import. You take it from there. > > Think about it and let me know. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed May 26 13:03:05 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:03:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: I just put up several new pages of show pictures. Some are a couple years old. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/fremont07/fremont07.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale09/allendale2009.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port09/portland2009.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 26 13:20:40 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:20:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Thanks Luke I was needing some show pictures! How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 14:01:49 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:01:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, Making sodium silicate/sand cores is relatively a simile process once a core box has been made. Each core is different so how the core is made varies. The sand I use for cores is fairly coarse (about 80 grit size). There shouldn't be many fines as the sand needs to be porous for good venting. The sodium silicate is formulated special for foundry use. The SS I use is "Carsil 310" manufactured by Foresco. The additives help reduce the strength of the sodium silicate and make it solvable in water. Finer grit sands can be substituted to get a smoother finish but great attention must be given to venting. It's been awhile since I actually measure the quantities. I add enough SS (Carsil 310) to the sand and mix well to get a very stiff cookie dough texture. I fill the mold with the pattern in place with the mixture and pack it only hand tight making sure there are no voids i the sand. The pattern has to be placed taking note of the draft angles as for normal sand casting rules. The mold can be left sitting on the bench to absorb CO2 from the air or a shot of compressed CO2 can be injected into the mold as this point. The amount of injected CO2 depends on the size of the mold. An example, I recently made a core for the standard on a 3/4" bore vertical steam engine. That took about a 15 second shot of CO2 at 3-5 psi to set the sand/sodium silicate mix. The core can be used in a normal sand (green sand or petrobond) mold at this point to make a casting. I like to warm my cores at 250?F to make sure there is no moisture in the core prior to inserting the core in the mold. The next step is fill the mold with the metal of your choice, let sit until the metal has had time to harden. Sometimes it is better to let the metal cool in the sand mold before shaking it out. Shake out the casting and hopefuly you can admire a good casting ready for machining. In the case of the plaques or engine plate: I have poured plaques using only petrobond sand and green sand with good results. I think I would be inclined to use a petrobond molding sand for a one of plaque possibly using a thin layer of facing sand of finer grit size next to the pattern. Is this what you are looking for? Rupert On 5/25/2010 11:52 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Rupert, > Please tell us more. > Jerry > > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 16:00:27 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:00:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: castings (some are engine related) In-Reply-To: <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4BFDA80B.5050902@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry and anyone else interested, I posted pictures of some of my castings at The cover plates are for an Gould Shapley & Nuir engine my son-in-law has. The dark one is an original. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed May 26 19:35:50 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:35:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> engines and model t's!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Show Pictures I just put up several new pages of show pictures. Some are a couple years old. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/fremont07/fremont07.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale09/allendale2009.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port09/portland2009.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 26 21:29:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Steve, I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen 2009 pages. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 26, 2010 4:20 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the > French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr > Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 27 03:31:07 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:31:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4BFE49EB.2080801@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve I was wondering about that engine too. I saw the pics of the Lorenz collecting being transported - it gave Jim plenty of ideas, by the way, for shipping Arnie's Bamford to him so as not to upset the woodophobes in US customs. As you know, I didn't make it to Nuenen this year, and photography is my role at engine shows, but the twins did take a few pics, including some of the latest models the Germanus guys had this year for sale. I shall think of somewhere to upload the pictures, when I have time. Dolly On 27/05/2010 05:29, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey Steve, > > I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. > ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. > I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon > that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop > to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? > > In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen > 2009 pages. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 4:20 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > >> How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the >> French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr >> Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu May 27 04:16:11 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:16:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: , <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: That year there was a model T club that was meeting in Grand Rapids, MI. I don't remember if it was a national deal or what. I know there were ALOT of them that rolled in and out all day long. There was easily over 100 of them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ---------------------------------------- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > > engines and model t's!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 27 09:12:24 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:12:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:29:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > Hey Steve, > > I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. > ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. > I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon > that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop > to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? > > In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen > 2009 pages. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From swebre at hotmail.com Thu May 27 09:17:22 2010 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:17:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve R! You bought a Germanus inverted last year? Seriously cool!!!! When do we get to see some shots? -Steve- From George_Best at adp.com Thu May 27 09:51:36 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: References: , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Steve, I've wondered what happened to the Germanus deal as there hasn't been any mention of it since last year at Nuenen. Assuming you haven't paid for it, you can look at the bright side in that the Euro is down compared to the dollar a year ago. Of course by next year who knows what the Euro/Dollar exchange will be. I'm just glad that the Euro is down now since I head to Italy this weekend. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 27 10:05:27 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:05:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: , , , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, , <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, The bad part is I sold some nice engines to pay for this Inverted and now I have neither! Steve > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:51:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > > Steve, > > I've wondered what happened to the Germanus deal as there hasn't been any mention of it since last year at Nuenen. > > Assuming you haven't paid for it, you can look at the bright side in that the Euro is down compared to the dollar a year ago. Of course by next year who knows what the Euro/Dollar exchange will be. > > I'm just glad that the Euro is down now since I head to Italy this weekend. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > > > Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 27 12:56:28 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:56:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos Message-ID: The 45 shortish videos are all uploaded to YouTube, full list below. Total running time is about 30 minutes or so. Note that some sound is clipped by the camera due to peak noise in the locality, I'll try and get the captions done when I've processed the pictures for the websites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTEk1Tu-_w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TLG6_to1A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH6XxVBA1Ew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHkz9SQqs0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrp52Hi0v4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ot_G32skg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ENLgU5COY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MYn4HMVTGQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXznAD1zktU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzpl4VMxjk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK97IdGjkHY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvwmaj3tsmI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU85FuZkorc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvL7qK-hBXQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho98wawAs24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQuPKuYt-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHiwEooWVXI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tqs9buBaAA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQIU9MuRAk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Astdq1UnxGY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIilBsZCvM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xa3AkPPpQY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZdq3FKCbk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW36q1F4jVA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwFE_Nsi4k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cupYttn8upQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdFndG2_AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58DkoVatCs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNq4vqA6qOQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7-XwrRuNw0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiTGfzPKlsA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyvzTOSkgUg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSQLJaR4Wg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyQOHY-rc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd6AkGlQ7eM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdEfglDqrs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mPT-tcOn40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zevz2UtJZCA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efhpWVFf_3I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK6uYE-S3q0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZNr7BhR-M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyygvQD7zcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJZQJzOS_Zw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZXxVg8usA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deD_rUP-8CI You can also find these by looking for videos under my username of 'listerdiesel'. Enjoy Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 27 18:49:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <969e1c03b1e542b75bda0a3d7b4f68a2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Are the first two in the list below your Ruston? A really liked the ones of all the light plants running at night. That's a pretty unique aspect of the European shows. We should do more of that over here. See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > The 45 shortish videos are all uploaded to YouTube, full list below. > Total running time is about 30 minutes or so. Note that some sound is > clipped by the camera due to peak noise in the locality, > > I'll try and get the captions done when I've processed the pictures > for the websites. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTEk1Tu-_w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TLG6_to1A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH6XxVBA1Ew > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHkz9SQqs0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrp52Hi0v4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ot_G32skg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ENLgU5COY From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri May 28 04:12:08 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Super Steam In-Reply-To: <65C5370C18844F85B26619A76C3A5309@kgwASUSi7> References: <65C5370C18844F85B26619A76C3A5309@kgwASUSi7> Message-ID: I caught that one too Gene. Was very very cool!! Showed Jay Leno with his Stanley Steamer, a White steam car, his huge stationary steam engine and boiler, walking beam steam engine, some locomotive stuff, and much more. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ________________________________ > From: GWaugh at wowway.com > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Super Steam > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:12:49 -0500 > > > History Channel , Modern Marvels, > tonight was about steam---"Super Steam". VERY interesting. > > > > Gene _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:05:48 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm or on the American server: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From gastzt at aol.com Fri May 28 14:21:01 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:21:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: <32440.4c8b536f.39318dbd@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/2010 4:09:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm Thanks for sharing these GREAT pictures! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas Old Stovers!!!! From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 29 11:33:49 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 29/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > >I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm > >or on the American server: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm > >I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that >there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, I've just started looking at your pics. Your Ruston sure looks good on the trailer behind your car. I'm sure you must have had many admiring glances on the trip. I always enjoy the trip to shows because of all the interest shown by other motorists. Kids point, Dad's speed up and drive next to you to look, some even try to ask questions through the window. I'm not sure if you have caught up with your other list mail since Nuenen but the 1HR we discussed previously now belongs to me !!!! It's still in my friends shed and quite safe there. I'm going over tomorrow to take pics. I've also traced someone locally who has a restored 1XHR like yours as well as another scrapped 1XHR that he says I'm welcome to help myself to parts from. I can also use the parts from his restored engine to copy if needs be. How interchangeable are the 1HR and 1XHR parts? (As a reminder, here is the link to the pic of parts mine is missing: More later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 29 11:47:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 19:47:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 29 May 2010 19:33, Jerry Evans wrote: > ? ? ? ? It's still in my friends shed and quite safe there. I'm going over > tomorrow to take pics. I've also traced someone locally who has a restored > 1XHR like yours as well as another scrapped 1XHR that he says I'm welcome > to help myself to parts from. I can also use the parts from his restored > engine to copy if needs be. How interchangeable are the 1HR and 1XHR parts? > (As a reminder, here is the link to the pic of parts mine is missing: > > > ? ? ? ? More later. Hi Jerry: I seem to remember that your engine is a 1HR ? That's the 'tiddler' at 5hp, while the 1XHR, 1YHR and 1ZHR are all much larger engines, 8hp 10hp and 11hp, and almost everything is going to be different. Yours is oiler lubricated, the larger engines have pumps, for example, and most of the cambox and pump are different. I'll see if I have the books for the 1 series here. The 1YHR and 1ZHR are almost identical, only injection pressures are different to give the increased power. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 29 14:20:09 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:20:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for the Nuenen Show pictures. I just lost about an hour lookin' at 'em! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 29 13:22:24 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:22:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529221152.02a30140@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 29/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > >I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: >I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that >there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Again Peter, Wow, thank you, I've just finished looking. Really nice engines and pics. I'm soooooo jealous - I really have to go there one day. I always find it interesting to see how much the engines from a certain geographic area resemble each other. The French (and other European) engines are so different from the British and American engines I'm a Bernard (including Conord and Japy) fan. I've got a few Bernards and a Conord but have yet to come across a Japy in South Africa. Thanks again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 29 13:57:46 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:57:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 29 May 2010 22:20, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Thanks for the Nuenen Show pictures. ?I just lost about an hour lookin' at 'em! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand There are 120 up there now on both sites, in 5 24-page menus. I'll do the last few tomorrow. The Trip Menu page has a link now to the new stuff, I'll update the Main pages also tomorrow. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 30 00:54:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:54:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 May 2010 22:05, Listerdiesel wrote: > I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: All are up and running, 138 pictures over 6 menu pages. The link from the main menu is not in place yet, but there is now a link from the Trip Menu page, which has its own icon at the top right of the main page. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm All menu pages have links to move between them as usual. Enjoy! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Sun May 30 02:54:57 2010 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:54:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: <4D031E687993453A992B1CA95DC29692@HOUSE> Thank you very much Peter for an excellent set of pictures with captions. Much appreciated, Teddy, Tasmania, Australia. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 30 07:03:20 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:03:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: Again, thanks for the photos. I've got to go along with Jerry that the Europeans had different ideas of engine layout than we colonials did on this side of the pond. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 02:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > > > On 28 May 2010 22:05, Listerdiesel > wrote: > > I have started to upload the first menu pages > for the Nuenen show: > > All are up and running, 138 pictures over 6 menu > pages. The link from > the main menu is not in place yet, but there is > now a link from the > Trip Menu page, which has its own icon at the top > right of the main > page. > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuen en2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 30 06:58:17 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:58:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 May 2010 15:03, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Again, thanks for the photos. ?I've got to go along with Jerry that the Europeans had different ideas of engine layout than we colonials did on this side of the pond. > > Take care - Elden I think that the Europeans had a better-developed carburettor industry in the early years, and that pushed us along the throttle-governed path, but as far as general engine design goes, I think we are probably about equal. Diesels feature a lot more in Europe than the USA, something that still holds today. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 31 05:14:43 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:14:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List Message-ID: I have added some images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 07:39:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual Message-ID: Hi Folks, My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 31 08:02:14 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 08:02:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> On May 31, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of water come rainy season. Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 31 08:42:57 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:42:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Well Rob, notice that was Mr. French running it on the other side of the pond. Who knows if we shall see it at a show or if it will run over here? After all, the famous Fero Compressor is due at Portland this year, the 9th anniversary of which it was presented to him!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: Cc: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Bamford OV Engine Manual > > On May 31, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. >> Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of water > come rainy season. > > Rob > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 31 09:59:58 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:59:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <464028A7-38E0-45DB-8C44-A8D9C93C50BC@rustyiron.com> On May 31, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > Well Rob, notice that was Mr. French running it on the other side of > the > pond. Who knows if we shall see it at a show or if it will run over > here? > After all, the famous Fero Compressor is due at Portland this year, > the 9th > anniversary of which it was presented to him!!!! In Arnie's defense, those Fero compressors weren't even as good as that Pommy motor, and even the original owners couldn't even get them to run. Nevertheless, they should both make nice static displays next to someone's Maytag. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 31 10:18:29 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> WOW!!!!!!! When do you collect it? Dave On May 31, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon May 31 12:26:45 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283184.43410.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If they were selling nice engines like those in 1929 then what were they selling in 1915? I want one of each. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 8:14 AM I have added some images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 31 14:07:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: Dont'cha just love it when the danged thing starts first try? Nice outfit. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 09:39 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 13:45:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> References: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> Message-ID: <1b2b1afac58843edf169dcc3c0486f99.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Picked it up Thursday. I think you were still in Florida. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 31, 2010 1:18 pm, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW!!!!!!! When do you collect it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 13:47:15 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rob. As big as the pump is, I really can't wait to see how much water she does slosh out. See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 31, 2010 11:02 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of > water come rainy season. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 31 14:14:29 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:14:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73D85AC9B9484CC29D6B8A4EA498D0E3@KerryPC> Beautiful Mate , great looking set up Kerry > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon May 31 15:37:13 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:37:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D764491-7808-48D0-8F1F-80DFEB75D85F@herculesengines.com> SWEEET! It just started pissing an pouring here, might come in handy. Keith On May 31, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 31 16:23:46 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:23:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <464028A7-38E0-45DB-8C44-A8D9C93C50BC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100531192346.TF2ME.6901819.root@mp18> > > In Arnie's defense, those Fero compressors weren't even as good as > that Pommy motor, and even the original owners couldn't even get them > to run. Nevertheless, they should both make nice static displays next > to someone's Maytag. I heard the compressors are good, they just haven't got around to publishing the manuals yet. J.B. Castagnos From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 31 23:02:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:02:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List Message-ID: I have added some more images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_2.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rolfb at accima.com Sat May 1 05:58:56 2010 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 05:58:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic Message-ID: <4BDC2590.8000700@accima.com> A Coastie friend of mine clued me in that there's video of the toppling of the LORAN tower at Port Clarence, AK. I had no idea the thing was 1350 ft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-DFU7Xwq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgxbUBNaee0 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 1 08:37:31 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:37:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <4BDC2590.8000700@accima.com> Message-ID: Wow! I wouldn't have wanted to be standing there when it fell! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bob W7AVK > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 07:59 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Off Topic > > > A Coastie friend of mine clued me in that there's > video of the toppling > of the LORAN tower at Port Clarence, AK. I had > no idea the thing was > 1350 ft. From bboyce at swat.coop Sat May 1 18:37:26 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:37:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover Message-ID: happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat May 1 18:48:13 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] U.S. of A. Gas Engine Shows on the Last May Weekend Message-ID: <307643.70602.qm@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> May 28?& 29 I will be making a trip from Northern lower Michigan to central Missouri. Michigan 131 to 196 to 31/94. NW corner of Indiana. In Illinois I will take?80 West to either 57 or 55 then one of those South to 70 or 270. In Missouri 70 West to exit 175 where I get off on local roads through Herman, Gasconade, Morrison and arrive at Chamois. ? Are there any shows I can visit that weekend. 50 miles or less off that route. ? Never again will I get rid of my show directories before I get my new one. I just didn't know plans would change and I wouldn't be making that trip a month later so I could stop by the nice smallish show at Sandwich, Illinois. ? Alan in Michigan From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 1 21:12:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c812accf4b9f37ae3e7d3177a0ded07.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Bill, How 'bout some pictures? See ya, Arnie On Sat, May 1, 2010 9:37 pm, bill boyce wrote: > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and > brought it home From bdb at mchsi.com Sat May 1 21:39:49 2010 From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 23:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <847012E7E12D48A1ACC48FDCD070F3C0@Buffystoy> Hi Peter Yes I will be at Mount Peasant Tuesday thru Saturday. I spend Sundays with my 86 year old mother who has stage 2 Alzheimer's and is in an assisted care home so I'll load up Saturday evening. Since I no longer have an R&VS. engine I'll probably grab whatever is closest to the door. I'm going to try to get my son to come to the show and show some of his engines. He always goes to Portland with me since his mother quit going after my Dad passed in 2002. We stay in Muncie and make the 31 mile drive to Portland every day. The room rates are lower and there are plenty of motels, also Muncie has a lot more places to eat than Portland. Looking forward to seeing you again Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA > Barry > Are you coming to the R&V show at Mount Pleasant?? > Peter > > > > > >> Hi Peter >> >> I live 45 miles on the other side of Mount Pleasant and I can make the >> Portland trip from Ottumwa Ia to Portland in under 8 hours pulling a >> loaded >> 18' car trailer and stopping for lunch. Usually the men in blue won't >> bother >> you for 5 over unless you are weaving in and out of traffic or driving >> erratically. I can't guarantee that you won't get stopped but I drive 5 >> to >> 10 over and have gotten away with it for years. >> Barry >> P.SO. we drive on the right side of the road >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:18 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Travel time to engine shows USA >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Google maps says it takes 7 hours 33 minutes from Portland, IN to Mount >>> Pleasant, IA. Is this time very conservative?? >>> What would it take if I hooned along right on the speed limit?? being >>> good >>> and not attracting the men in blue of course. >>> >>> Peter, Oz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bdb at mchsi.com Sat May 1 22:44:08 2010 From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:44:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <4761C84C5D2041BCB517C56C8D56503D@peterlowe> References: <4761C84C5D2041BCB517C56C8D56503D@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4FD759317FDA44F389F251511F254F9E@Buffystoy> Peter... I was thinking about you and your visit here to the states and may have a plan to offer to you. If you fly into Indianapolis on Thursday or Friday I could pick you up there. If you want I can reserve a room at the motel in Muncie that we stay at and you can ride back and forth to the show grounds with us. I'm driving a 2009 Ford F-150 super crew cab so there is plenty of room for 2 more. Then if you want you can ride with us to Mount Pleasant when we return home on Sunday. George Eddy rides with us to ad from Portland and I drop him off at his camper in Mount Pleasant at the show grounds. You are more than welcome to ride with us. Where are you staying in Mount Pleasant? Let me know your plans. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hi All > My son and I are coming over in August for the Mount Pleasant Show. We are > trying to also get there for the Friday and Saturday of Portland before we > head on down to Iowa. > We are after accommodation for the 27th and 28th August close to Portland > if anyone can help. I do not care where I sleep nor does my son if anyone > can help out. > If not we will come over a few days later. Flight seats with Virgin are > filling fast and I do not want to miss out booking for Mount Pleasant Sept > 2 to 6. We prefer non smoking, just to be fussy ;-)) > > Please also spread the word around to all R&V engine owners that we would > like you all to come to Mount Pleasant as R&V is the feature engine this > year. Also there will be a bus trip back to East Moline, Illinois to the > original factory, like the 2003 centenary tour, for those who missed out > then. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 2 00:33:16 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:33:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill; White or live oak, or even Lignum Vitae Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: bboyce at swat.coop > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:37:26 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover > > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 2 02:37:17 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 05:37:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <380-2201050293717294@M2W133.mail2web.com> Hi Barry All is OK now, I have accommodation in Decatur, IN, going to the Back40 Junction Thursday night, Friday, Saturday Portland, then on the Mt Pleasant. I will hire a car. I now have my son with me. Many thanks for the offer though, look forward to meeting you again mate. Also looking foward to meeting George Eddy. Regards Peter, Oz Peter... I was thinking about you and your visit here to the states and may have a plan to offer to you. If you fly into Indianapolis on Thursday or Friday I could pick you up there. If you want I can reserve a room at the motel in Muncie that we stay at and you can ride back and forth to the show grounds with us. I'm driving a 2009 Ford F-150 super crew cab so there is plenty of room for 2 more. Then if you want you can ride with us to Mount Pleasant when we return home on Sunday. George Eddy rides with us to ad from Portland and I drop him off at his camper in Mount Pleasant at the show grounds. You are more than welcome to ride with us. Where are you staying in Mount Pleasant? Let me know your plans. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hi All > My son and I are coming over in August for the Mount Pleasant Show. We are > trying to also get there for the Friday and Saturday of Portland before we > head on down to Iowa. > We are after accommodation for the 27th and 28th August close to Portland > if anyone can help. I do not care where I sleep nor does my son if anyone > can help out. > If not we will come over a few days later. Flight seats with Virgin are > filling fast and I do not want to miss out booking for Mount Pleasant Sept > 2 to 6. We prefer non smoking, just to be fussy ;-)) > > Please also spread the word around to all R&V engine owners that we would > like you all to come to Mount Pleasant as R&V is the feature engine this > year. Also there will be a bus trip back to East Moline, Illinois to the > original factory, like the 2003 centenary tour, for those who missed out > then. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 2 06:14:00 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:14:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Some kind of antique sewing machine followed me home from an auction yesterday. I believe it may have been for burlap bags as it came out of an old seed cleaning mill. So far I have found no markings anywhere on it. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew3.jpg) Sew1 is from the front and shows the foot operated pedal. On the right is some sort of T-handle that may have held the spools of thread. Not sure what the cone shape is for on the T-handles other than there is a hole in the middle that may have held a bracket to help feed the thread. Sew2 shows the needle movement mechanism. The flat wheel on the left rotates by gears and has small sharp tacks on it that would have held and moved under the needle what ever was being sewn. If you look closely behind the needle you can see one of the small tacks sticking up. Under the needle plate is a small rotating finger to catch the thread. Sew3 looking from right side and shows more of the T-handle and cone shaped bracket. Anybody have any ideas or information on it? Also, would anybody know why stuff like this follows me home? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 2 07:18:17 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:18:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> Bill, Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big Stover there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 2 12:52:45 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:52:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill: I've heard tell of using apple wood for bearings. It is dense and I wonder how it would work for a clutch. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 08:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover .........................snip...................... > what is the > correct color, and what type of wood is used for > the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current > wood is a little worn, but it feels very light > bill boyce From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 2 13:14:42 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, No info on the neat piece of old iron, but I sure as hell can answer the last question if you REALLY need an answer. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 2, 2010 9:14 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Some kind of antique sewing machine followed me home from an auction > yesterday. I believe it may have been for burlap bags as it came out of an old > seed cleaning mill. So far I have found no markings anywhere on it. > > Anybody have any ideas or information on it? > > Also, would anybody know why stuff like this follows me home? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From christison at coastalnet.com Sun May 2 13:32:44 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> Bill, Congrats on the new toy! Machinery's Handbook of 1915 mentions poplar as the best wood for clutch blocks. Take care. Ken bill boyce wrote: > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 2 15:43:05 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:43:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> References: , <4BDDE16C.5020004@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: on Clutch woos, Lidger logging Staem winches used oak & it lasted in the weather a long time Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:32:44 -0400 > From: christison at coastalnet.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp Stover > > Bill, > > Congrats on the new toy! > > Machinery's Handbook of 1915 mentions poplar as the best wood for clutch > blocks. > > Take care. > > Ken > > bill boyce wrote: > > happened up on a 1913 Stover 22 hp engine down in south west texas last weekend and brought it home ,,,,have a couple of questions,,,what is the correct color, and what type of wood is used for the shoes or pads in the clutch ?,,, the current wood is a little worn, but it feels very light, even lighter than a soft wood,,,,maybe because its so dried out because of being in such an arid climate for so many years,,, ?? i'd think a dense wood would be used in a clutch,,, ?? > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 2 14:27:02 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:27:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <5bbe8.5379c96a.390f4826@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2010 4:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I sure as hell can answer the last question if you REALLY need an answer. Thanks Arnie, I think I already knew the answer but needed reassurance! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 2 23:26:56 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:26:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Message-ID: Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 3 00:05:32 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:05:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <5BE0A460644D47C699F65192E623809F@regpc> Good on ya mates. Now I have TWO good mates!!! Re Tas. Both our kids have moved back there( We lived there for 7 years when we first came from UK) and our G Daughter and husband +GGchild are ther too! Must be something about the place. Mates, from the heart, ALL the best for your future together. Luvya both. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 3 03:42:00 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:42:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <005601caeaad$4321a280$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Congrats Patrick! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 2:26 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon May 3 04:21:16 2010 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:21:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801caeab2$bf828240$0201010a@JBCooper> Congratulations Patrick and Ann. Met you at Young. John Cooper, Bega. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Monday, 3 May 2010 4:27 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 3 07:59:48 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:59:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congratulations to you and Ann! May your marriage be long and happy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 01:27 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! From obise at moscow.com Mon May 3 07:10:55 2010 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations, Pat and Ann. Here's wishing you a lifetime of happiness together. May good fortune smile upon you all the way. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:27 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR Ford Station Wagon. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some pics on my site when I get them sorted. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 3 07:17:40 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:17:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! Message-ID: Patrick, What a great way to get married. Many happy years for you both. Not sure why Millie has put up with me and the junk for 45 years! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon May 3 08:58:32 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:58:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: Tom: The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of punch, and that's all she can think of. The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things there. A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very creative and very interesting. Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 3 09:43:46 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bd05ad18a0e61564c23d72037360e91.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick. Man, what an awesome wedding venue! You'll not soon forget that. And it opens up some interesting options for future wedding anniversaries. I can see pirate costumes in your future. 8->> Does Ann go to the rallys with you or does she look at it as "free time" without you underfoot? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 3, 2010 2:26 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 3 10:38:54 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:38:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100503192925.0288ede8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:58:32 -0700 >From: "P. Johns" >Subject: Re: [SEL] auction > >Tom: > >The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. >One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of >punch, and that's all she can think of. > Hi Tom, It does not matter what it is. It's a beautiful piece of old iron and I'm jealous. I was thinking maybe something to do with saddlery or leather work but that's just a guess. Your original idea of a "bag stitcher" also makes sense. Well done, I could visualize that standing in my lounge (without a pot plant :-)). Please let us know when you do eventually identify it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From weolson at wiktel.com Mon May 3 14:07:48 2010 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:07:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: References: <821a.5521f3dd.390ed498@aol.com> Message-ID: <1796765553.20100503160748@wiktel.com> Hi P., Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:58:32 AM, you wrote: PJ> Tom: PJ> The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. PJ> One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of PJ> punch, and that's all she can think of. PJ> The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine PJ> for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in PJ> SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things PJ> there. PJ> A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he PJ> would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very PJ> creative and very interesting. PJ> Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky PJ> high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by PJ> when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. PJ> That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that PJ> was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on PJ> and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. PJ> _______________________________________________ PJ> SEL mailing list PJ> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com PJ> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel There are some machines that use only a single thread and sew what is known as a Chain Stitch and they don't use a bobbin, but it does have something to catch the thread and make the chain. I have a couple of hand battery powered units that do this. But then, it could be something else too. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Mon May 3 14:35:52 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: Message-ID: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying to Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came to our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. John Mathieson Eden NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month > on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR > Ford Station Wagon. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg > > We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as > Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly > people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put > some > pics on my site when I get them sorted. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 16:07:29 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <1796765553.20100503160748@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes and that chain stitch is exactly what feed or flour sacks are sewn with. SO, A gal that says it is NOT a sewing machine because it does not have a bobbin just doesn't know about feed/flour sack sewing machines. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 5/3/10, William Olson wrote: From: William Olson Subject: Re: [SEL] auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 5:07 PM Hi P., Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:58:32 AM, you wrote: PJ> Tom: PJ> The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. PJ> One clue is that there is no bobbin. It is heavy enough to be some sort of PJ> punch, and that's all she can think of. PJ> The lack of a brand name shows that it is possibly a one-off custom machine PJ> for some specific purpose. I do know there used to be a few places in PJ> SanFran that made custom machinery of all types way back when we made things PJ> there. PJ> A side note here: I had a neighbor that had a few custom machines that he PJ> would buy at auctions and convert them to some general uses. Some very PJ> creative and very interesting. PJ> Another Side note: Unfortunately, when he died, property values were sky PJ> high and whoever handled his estate just junked his entire shop. I went by PJ> when they were filling the last dumpster and one guy said everything went. PJ> That would include three or four lathes, including a new (1970's) one that PJ> was never hooked up; shelves full of taps, dies, and various tooling and on PJ> and on. The point is: Find someone to find a use for all that we collect. PJ> _______________________________________________ PJ> SEL mailing list PJ> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com PJ> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel There are some machines that use only a single thread and sew what is known as a Chain Stitch and they don't use a bobbin, but it does have something to catch the thread and make the chain.? I have a couple of hand battery powered units that do this.? But then, it could be something else too. -- Thanks,? William? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon May 3 16:53:52 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:53:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <49722.8202.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22CF8B28-4D9E-4A1F-8D8C-6AE6F8F80E97@me.com> On May 3, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Alan wrote: > SO, A gal that says it is NOT a sewing machine because it does not > have a bobbin just doesn't know about feed/flour sack sewing machines. > > Alan in Michigan "Gals" know very little Alan. We started down a VERY slippery slope when we gave them the right to vote in the 20's! Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 3 17:04:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:04:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> Thanks for all the replies. And yes, it is a sewing machine that chain stitches as in a feed bag. If you look at the top right side of the photo you can see a spring mechanism that provides thread tension. Looking at the left side on the up and down rod there are 2 wire loops that the thread passes thru before passing thru the needle. On the underside of the plate where the needle passes thru, there is a rotating hook that catches the thread thus forming the under part of the chain stitch. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) I finally found a mfg. tag that was hidden by a removable cover. It reads: Tillinghast S.&M. Co. Salem, Mass Type T.L.2.F.P. See photo of tag _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg) I have found no information on this company or the "bag closer" yet on the internet or google patents. I have sent the information to the Salem Historical Society to enlist their help. Any other help would be appreciated. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 3 18:10:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> References: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Message-ID: John, WELL DONE!! I'd say you're on track for another happy forty years!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35 pm, Renee Mathieson wrote: > Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th > anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying to > Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came to > our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to > Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. John > Mathieson > Eden NSW From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 3 18:37:08 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 11:37:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! In-Reply-To: <7bd05ad18a0e61564c23d72037360e91.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, I suggested doing my vows with a pirate voice (eg Do you take this woman. ARRRRRRR) but it did not go down well :) Ann comes along to some of the rallies with me (usually the larger ones) but often work or social commitments keep her at home. At least it means we don't need to find a dogsitter. The more local rallies Ann will usually come out later in her car and bring the dog along. Ann has found (as most people do) that the engine people are great to hang around with. Patrick On 4/5/10 2:43 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick. > > Man, what an awesome wedding venue! You'll not soon forget that. > And it opens up some interesting options for future wedding anniversaries. > I can see pirate costumes in your future. 8->> > > Does Ann go to the rallys with you or does she look at it as "free time" > without you underfoot? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 2:26 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> Well I am back after some very busy weeks. Ann & I were married last month >> on board the 1874 barque 'James Craig'. Ann arrived in my Father's 1928 AR >> Ford Station Wagon. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Misc/P4160094.jpg >> >> We have just got back from two weeks in Tasmania. We had a great time as >> Tassie is wonderfully scenic as well as having great food and friendly >> people. I did manage to spot some old iron on my travels and I will put some >> pics on my site when I get them sorted. >> Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From swebre at hotmail.com Tue May 4 10:49:49 2010 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:49:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Patrick! Great news and Congrats! Please give the blushing bride a hug from friends she's never met! > Ann has found (as most people do) that the engine people are great to hang around with. Humph. Bring her to Portland. That'll change..... :) -Steve- From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 4 11:15:58 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:15:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> References: <11467.3ccb6dec.3910bea4@aol.com> Message-ID: HI Tom, Nice machine! Why didn't you bring it to Reidsville for us to play with? We missed you last weekend and it didn't rain until Sat Night. We stayed DRY! Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:04:52 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] auction > > Thanks for all the replies. And yes, it is a sewing machine that chain > stitches as in a feed bag. If you look at the top right side of the photo you > can see a spring mechanism that provides thread tension. Looking at the > left side on the up and down rod there are 2 wire loops that the thread > passes thru before passing thru the needle. On the underside of the plate > where the needle passes thru, there is a rotating hook that catches the thread > thus forming the under part of the chain stitch. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew1.jpg) > > I finally found a mfg. tag that was hidden by a removable cover. It reads: > > Tillinghast S.&M. Co. > Salem, Mass > Type T.L.2.F.P. > > See photo of tag > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew4.jpg) > > > I have found no information on this company or the "bag closer" yet on the > internet or google patents. > > I have sent the information to the Salem Historical Society to enlist their > help. Any other help would be appreciated. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Tue May 4 15:01:47 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:01:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! References: <4CB292883B70425280F97DA1D2581915@lightning> Message-ID: <5FE45284D3774EE4ACAD0D48C1420B40@lightning> Thanks Arnie, With retirement being the next thing to look forward to life is sure to get a lot more interesting. Work always got in the way of a lot of engine rallies. See ya John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Another one bites the dust! > John, > > WELL DONE!! I'd say you're on track for another happy forty years!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 5:35 pm, Renee Mathieson wrote: >> Great news Patrick & Ann, last weekend Val & I celebrated our 40th >> anniversery by flying to Gabo Island,climbing the lighthouse then flying >> to >> Mallacoota for a lunch at the pub. When we arrived home I had a chef came >> to >> our house & cooked us a 8 course seafood meal. All this was a surprise to >> Val. Hope your married life is as full of surprises as ours has been. >> John >> Mathieson >> Eden NSW > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 18:31:00 From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 4 14:38:57 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:38:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <10b09.4cb1e1d.3911edf1@aol.com> Hi Steve, I made a mistake about Reidsville and that was to listen to the weather man at various sites. All predicted showers off and on all day. I was all packed and decided not to go. Got up early saturday morning to a shower and told myself I had made a good decision. It was the only rain we had too till that night. Kicked myself in the pants all day. I only purchased the sewing machine this past weekend. I am going to take it to a small local show this coming weekend. _http://www.oldhalifax.com/phototour/noland.htm_ (http://www.oldhalifax.com/phototour/noland.htm) Ken Christison has found a lot of information so far on the machine, but more searches are on going. No patent information so far. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Tue May 4 18:12:11 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:12:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics Message-ID: While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From r7734g at hotmail.com Tue May 4 19:02:30 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:02:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW!!! > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:12:11 +1000 > From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics > > While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort > through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 5 01:48:08 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:48:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: Hi all Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I am there. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 5 03:15:00 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 03:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943274.20318.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> WOW, Thanks for the pix. How many of those large Quonset huts did they have full of toys? ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:12 PM While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 04:14:39 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:14:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics In-Reply-To: <943274.20318.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are the two big 'huts' as well as a few items outside. Lots of nice toys :) On 5/5/10 8:15 PM, "Alan" wrote: > WOW, > Thanks for the pix. > How many of those large Quonset huts did they have full of toys? > ? > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:12 PM > > > While on Honeymoon in Tasmania I did manage to see some old iron. As I sort > through the pics I will add more to my site. The first batch are at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/psw/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 04:15:08 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:15:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Some more Tassie Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/wcpm/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Wed May 5 05:21:39 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 08:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6008FFAB-0217-41A8-BBF6-2B6CB7404788@me.com> YES Peter--as it was in the begining, is now and forever shall be! Dave PS, Same place as usual as well! On May 5, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at > Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I > am there. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 5 05:29:10 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:29:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <6008FFAB-0217-41A8-BBF6-2B6CB7404788@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, looking forward to catching up again mate. Peter, Oz > YES Peter--as it was in the begining, is now and forever shall be! > Dave > PS, Same place as usual as well! > > On May 5, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Are we having the usual yellow ATIS banner and shade area at >> Portland this year, I have some people you need to find me while I >> am there. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 5 04:45:23 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:45:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] auction Message-ID: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2010 12:11:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, enginepaul at gmail.com writes: The wife, who owns about 20 sewing machines, says it isn't a sewing machine. One clue is that there is no bobbin. Paul. Ken Christison has found some patent information on a sewing machine similar to mine. It makes a chain stitch. The machine uses no bobbin that your wife is used to seeing on "regular" sewing machines. If you look under the needle shaft, you will see a part that is labeled "b" on the end of a rotating shaft. This catches the thread as it is fed down forming the "loop" on a chain stitch. Thus no need for a bobbin. See patent picture. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew5.pdf_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sew5.pdf) Always need to see what the old folks invented! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed May 5 07:45:54 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:45:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] auction In-Reply-To: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> References: <2fc66.3ec2c196.3912b453@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I've gotta stop relying on "experts." Paul in California From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed May 5 13:27:02 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:27:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505221143.028ebf70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you good people out there, Another "Off Topic" post (says me while rapping myself over the knuckles) (bad boy et al). Some of you may remember that I put a page on my site a good while back called "You know that you live in Africa when.........!" Well, I just updated it with some pretty gory stuff that came in today. BE WARNED THAT THIS IS NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART. If you have a weak heart (or vote Conservative) then just delete this mail right now. If not, you can have a look at: Scroll down the page to "Crime - the serious side. " and see the update. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed May 5 13:45:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:45:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! OOOOOOOPS!!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505223949.00cfccf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Sorry All, (Must be the Brandy & Coke) I meant "Liberal" - not "Conservative" - so sorry. Jerry. Hi all you good people out there, Another "Off Topic" post (says me while rapping myself over the knuckles) (bad boy et al). Some of you may remember that I put a page on my site a good while back called "You know that you live in Africa when.........!" Well, I just updated it with some pretty gory stuff that came in today. BE WARNED THAT THIS IS NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART. If you have a weak heart (or vote Conservative) then just delete this mail right now. If not, you can have a look at: Scroll down the page to "Crime - the serious side. " and see the update. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 5 14:55:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:55:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post from Jerry:!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100505221143.028ebf70@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Nice collection of "Crispy Critters" you have there. It doesn't pay to mess with Reddy Kilowatt! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 03:27 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > slick at toltbbs.com > Subject: [SEL] Damn, not another "Off Topic" post > from Jerry:!! ......................snip............................... > If not, you can have a look at: > > > Scroll down the page to "Crime - the > serious side. " and see the > update. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 5 19:27:07 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:27:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] More Tassie Pics Message-ID: The last batch of Tassie Pics: The West Coast Wilderness Railway from Strahan to Queenstown. It is a great trip and hauled by steam locos using the ABT system. The grade is 1 in 16 at its steepest and the railway is using 3 of the 5 locos that were originally built for the railway (Numbers 1, 3 & 5. No.4 was scrapped many years ago and No.2 is in a museum). http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Tasmania2010/wcwr/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Fri May 7 16:39:21 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:39:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Fri May 7 17:41:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:41:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? References: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Everybody need more stuff. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri May 7 18:10:47 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Message-ID: <3cb9e.3af7def5.39161417@aol.com> Your there and here. KK In a message dated 5/7/2010 8:47:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, james.kangas at timken.com writes: Everybody need more stuff. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? Getting very little sel stuff of late? Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Dvswan03 at aol.com Sat May 8 00:41:42 2010 From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 03:41:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tassie Pics Message-ID: <42e21.3ae2410b.39166fb6@aol.com> Patrick, just saw the Tassie pics. especially liked the washing machines! Sweet! sure would like them for my collection. Mary in Freeport. Il From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 8 11:01:31 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, The Ruston is looking SWEET!! Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? See ya, Arnie On Sat, April 24, 2010 3:29 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. > > We are still bringing the whole trolley/generator together, but we are > probably 85% there. > > There is an 18mb video file: > > On the UK server: > http://www.stationary-engine.net/For.../Ruston491.mpg > > on the US Oldengine site: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/die.../Ruston491.mpg > > or on Youtube: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXNR6UvyaBY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 8 11:34:48 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: > Peter, > > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? > > See ya, ?Arnie Yes, we will have it there. Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it is running, hopefully tomorrow. The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg through http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg The Forum thread is here: http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sat May 8 15:40:48 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 08:40:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507233909.D69A0298CB2@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100508224033.98E6C3767F5@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> G'day Jim, I see you have replied to my post which has not turned up this end?? Bloody internet hey? go figure Russ At 10:41 AM 8/05/2010, you wrote: >Everybody need more stuff. > Jim K. > >________________________________ > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Russell Gilbert >Sent: Fri 5/7/2010 7:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Just seeing if I turn up? > > > >Getting very little sel stuff of late? >Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do >not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken >Corporation >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 9 11:37:06 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 20:37:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Peter, From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost "day to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of his (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, I just could not resist that comment).) All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that field. I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" that you have been through on this restoration. Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just being an "HR" - many differences). There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as brief as possible (very difficult for me). Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" engines in South Africa). I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's when it will become MINE !!!! Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be brief. :-(. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et al.). P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Peter, > > > > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! > > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? > > > > See ya, ?Arnie > >Yes, we will have it there. > >Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >is running, hopefully tomorrow. > >The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg > >through > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg > >The Forum thread is here: > >http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 > >Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 9 13:23:08 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:23:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, As I am a strong Stirling collector I can advise your brother that Stirlings run better indoors & enable you to drink alcohol at the same time.8^) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/My%20Hotair%20Engines.htm Dave Croft Warrington. http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running > Hi Peter, > From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or > so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I > somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost "day > to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this > morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be > enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of his > (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, > I just could not resist that comment).) > > All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and > the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention > to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that field. > > I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" > that you have been through on this restoration. > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be > brief. :-(. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More > Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these > lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his > interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) > > P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors > begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to > disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et al.). > > P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >>From: Listerdiesel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >>Cc: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> > >> > See ya, ?Arnie >> >>Yes, we will have it there. >> >>Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >>weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >>to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >>is running, hopefully tomorrow. >> >>The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg >> >>through >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg >> >>The Forum thread is here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 >> >>Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 9 16:42:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Methink you've been paying too much attention to the wiley Dave R. You're getting to be positively evil in your engine machinations! Boy! I'm glad I'm not your brother. Poor sod. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 01:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running ....................snip........................... > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests > are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as > found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in > the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his > interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in > "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that > interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will > happen !!!!!!!!!!!! .................snip.................. > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 9 15:45:55 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001501caefc9$62f63cd0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Jerry: No apologies needed, I feel your pain having an older brother in the hobby, stealing all my good engines too!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running > Hi Peter, > From your post and going to the links, I spent a good 5 hours or > so (that I could ill afford) this morning reading about your engine. I > somehow managed to get onto the English forum where you have an almost > "day > to day running commentary" on your work on the engine (last updated this > morning!!). (Why not post the link to our lists also - it will really be > enjoyed). Even some pics taken quite a few years ago by Arnie on one of > his > (yet to be completed) webpage series of Yankee trips England (sorry Arnie, > I just could not resist that comment).) > > All I can say is "Wow, well done!" That engine is looking good and > the trouble you have gone to is a credit to your workmanship and attention > to detail. The "electrics" are also a credit to your knowledge in that > field. > > I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the "trials and tribulations" > that you have been through on this restoration. > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was > a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL > realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- > that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > There is a lot more to the story but I promised to try and be > brief. :-(. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > P.S. I know that family is important but engines like this are "More > Important" :-). I'm not trying to "steal" it (as other brothers on these > lists may do - no names will be mentioned). I'm just waiting for his > interest to "wane sufficiently" :-) > > P.P.S. I have not forwarded him all the e-mails from other collectors > begging to buy the engine. He runs his own business and, it's best not to > disturb him and take his mind off his business.(Silence is a virtue, et > al.). > > P.P.S. - Hi Steve and Mike - I luv ya both! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 09/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:34:48 +0100 >>From: Listerdiesel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running >>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >>Cc: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> > Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> > >> > See ya, ?Arnie >> >>Yes, we will have it there. >> >>Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, cast two >>weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them >>to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it >>is running, hopefully tomorrow. >> >>The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg >> >>through >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg >> >>The Forum thread is here: >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 >> >>Will you be at Nuenen, perchance? >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 9 16:04:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100509190426.00cee3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, WHY are you wasting time typing email? You should be in high gear restoring a "Wolseley WD9" for your bro to rally and setting him up with a suitable Stirling engine. Sheesh.... See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 9, 2010 2:37 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > being an "HR" - many differences). > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > engines in South Africa). > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > when it will become MINE !!!! > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Sun May 9 19:40:30 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:40:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Technical Shop Terms Explained (a little off any topic) Message-ID: DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted vertical stabilizer which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh darn..." SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible future use. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminium sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN * x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling 'DAMMIT!' at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 10 00:44:08 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:44:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Arnie, I mentioned it was a long story :-) He actually did find 2 Wolseleys as well, complete and running but needing some paint. After they had cluttered up his workshop for about a year without so much as a wipe clean he loaded them up and delivered them here - lost interest. I'm waiting for the same to happen to the Ruston !! Only thing is that it's not cluttering up his workshop like the Wolseleys were - the Ruston is in my mates shed (who is a Ruston expert) where it was sent to see what parts were missing etc. Maybe I should deliver it back to my bro so that it can get in his way a bit and speed up the "waning of interest" thing :-) I do not have a pic of the engine but have put 2 scans (from the manual) on my page here. These show the engine as well as the missing parts: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 01:04 AM 10/05/2010, you wrote: >Jerry, > >WHY are you wasting time typing email? > >You should be in high gear restoring a "Wolseley WD9" for your bro to >rally and >setting him up with a suitable Stirling engine. Sheesh.... > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, May 9, 2010 2:37 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Apart from really enjoying reading about your work, my interest > > also stems from the fact that my brother (who is NOT AN ENGINE COLLECTOR) > > also owns one of these engines. Information from Ray: "Ruston 1HR 247588, > > rated 5.5hp @ 550rpm, was sold to agents Hubert Davies & Co. Ltd, London - > > and was despatched to Port Elizabeth on 9.7.1947" This engine is not > > identical to yours (yours having a "ZHR" designation and this one just > > being an "HR" - many differences). > > > > There is a story and explanation to this. I will try to be as > > brief as possible (very difficult for me). > > > > Since I started in this hobby (madness ??) in about 1994/5 my > > elder "bro" has taken a great interest (his background is the same as > > mine). Well, perchance, about 2 years back he came across this engine and > > bought it (great pangs of jealousy from me and other collectors)! A > > "Wolseley WD9" would have satisfied his "need". He got this one at a > > bargain price (there are a few missing parts) from someone emigrating to > > Aus who was totally disconnected from the "collectors fraternity". It was a > > real bargain - scrappie price. Briefly, most local collectors would have > > paid many more "bucks" for this engine. (We have very few size 1 Ruston" > > engines in South Africa). > > > > I's actually "criminal" all he wanted was something that went > > "Boof-boof" (like I said, a Wolseley WD would have been fine and satisfied > > his craving) yet he found this very desirable engine at a bargain price. > > > > Anyway, I know my "bro" his interests are shortlived (but it's > > been 2 years so far)and the engine is still as found. No progress towards > > getting it going or restoration. At some time in the future he WILL realise > > that he is not interested in the engine (or his interest has waned)- that's > > when it will become MINE !!!! > > > > Currently he has a growing interest in "Stirling" engines (and I'm > > doing my best to nurture and encourage that interest :-)) - and get his > > mind off Ruston horizontal diesels. It will happen !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon May 10 01:44:38 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:44:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aluminum (Aluminium) oxide removal Message-ID: <8ABD30F90C5F4E23AAFEC390E443C8A8@peterlowe> Hi all I have a British Seagull outboard motor I am restoring. What is the best home remedy for neutralizing the heavy white oxide build up on the Aluminum parts please. Without buying all the fancy stuff that you guys in the US have that we can't buy here, a home remedy like Vinegar etc. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 10 07:44:13 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:44:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications Message-ID: Pipe Specifications: 1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole, surrounded by metal or plastic centered around the hole. 2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length - do not use holes of different length than the pipe. 3. The inside diameter of the pipe must not exceed the outside diameter - otherwise the hole will be on the outside. 4. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole so that water, steam or other stuff can be put inside at a later date. 5. All pipe should be supplied without rust - this can be more readily applied at the job site. Some vendors are now able to supply pre-rusted pipe. If available in your area this product is recommended as it will save a lot of time on the job site. 6. All pipe over 500 ft (153 m) long should have the words 'long pipe' painted on each end, so the contractor will know it is a long pipe. 7. Pipe over 2 miles (3.2 km) in length must have the words 'long pipe painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe. 8. All pipe over 6" in diameter must have the words 'large pipe' painted on it so the contractor will not mistake it for a small pipe. 9. Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts quite separate from the big hole in the middle. 10. When ordering 90 degree, 45 degree or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify right hand or left hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way. 11. Be sure to specify whether you want level, uphill or downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipe for going uphill, the water will flow the wrong way. 12. All couplings should have either right hand or left hand threads, but do not mix the threads - otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one pipe, it is being unscrewed from the other. Respectfully submitted in the interest of standardization, Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 10 06:52:12 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse> Looks like federal government specifications to me Elden. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:44 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications Pipe Specifications: 1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole, surrounded by metal or plastic centered around the hole. 2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length - do not use holes of different length than the pipe. 3. The inside diameter of the pipe must not exceed the outside diameter - otherwise the hole will be on the outside. 4. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing in the hole so that water, steam or other stuff can be put inside at a later date. 5. All pipe should be supplied without rust - this can be more readily applied at the job site. Some vendors are now able to supply pre-rusted pipe. If available in your area this product is recommended as it will save a lot of time on the job site. 6. All pipe over 500 ft (153 m) long should have the words 'long pipe' painted on each end, so the contractor will know it is a long pipe. 7. Pipe over 2 miles (3.2 km) in length must have the words 'long pipe painted in the middle, so the contractor will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine whether or not it is a long pipe. 8. All pipe over 6" in diameter must have the words 'large pipe' painted on it so the contractor will not mistake it for a small pipe. 9. Flanges must be used on all pipe. Flanges must have holes for bolts quite separate from the big hole in the middle. 10. When ordering 90 degree, 45 degree or 30 degree elbows, be sure to specify right hand or left hand, otherwise you will end up going the wrong way. 11. Be sure to specify whether you want level, uphill or downhill pipe. If you use downhill pipe for going uphill, the water will flow the wrong way. 12. All couplings should have either right hand or left hand threads, but do not mix the threads - otherwise, as the coupling is being screwed on one pipe, it is being unscrewed from the other. Respectfully submitted in the interest of standardization, Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 10 08:42:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:42:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: Tommy: Must be! I got some brass pipe the other day from the scrap yard that had an O.D. of 1-1/2" and an I.D. of 0". Must be some of that cheap non-spec. Chinese stuff. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 08:52 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > > Looks like federal government specifications to > me Elden. From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon May 10 08:31:07 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:31:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually. Number 12 may be a problem. There is something called a "Left - Right coupling" that is used for gas pipes that are to be concealed. It is a short length of pipe (nipple) and a coupling that has both left and right hand threads. It is used to join to lengths together without the typical ground coupling that is more likely to leak. Basicly, when you are tightening in the normal direction, the other end is tightening too; drawing both lengths together. So if you pick up a coupling that has one end knurled, you have one in your hand - left or right, it doesn't matter. Paul in California PS: The list is still funny; I just get over technical at times - I do have Plumbing Engineering training that I rarely get to us; hence the nit-picking. PPS: yes, it does sound like a Gov'mt spec. PPPS: You want one for your collection? Go to: http://www.plumbingsupply.com/leftright.html From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 10 08:40:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:40:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications In-Reply-To: References: <86D6BAD0BD6540149FD52C27E86F7409@laruecounty.courthouse>, Message-ID: Shaft is a cover up name for un-drilled pipe ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:42:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > Tommy: > > Must be! I got some brass pipe the other day from the scrap yard that had an O.D. of 1-1/2" and an I.D. of 0". Must be some of that cheap non-spec. Chinese stuff. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > > Turner > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 08:52 AM > > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.: Pipe Specifications > > > > > > Looks like federal government specifications to > > me Elden. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 11:45:35 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:45:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100510094333.02b794c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 10 May 2010 08:44, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Arnie, > ? ? ? ? I mentioned it was a long story :-) > > ? ? ? ? He actually did find 2 Wolseleys as well, complete and running but > needing some paint. After they had cluttered up his workshop for about a > year without so much as a wipe clean he loaded them up and delivered them > here - lost interest. > > ? ? ? ? I'm waiting for the same to happen to the Ruston !! Only thing is > that it's not cluttering up his workshop like the Wolseleys were - the > Ruston is in my mates shed (who is a Ruston expert) where it was sent to > see what parts were missing etc. > > ? ? ? ? Maybe I should deliver it back to my bro so that it can get in his > way a bit and speed up the "waning of interest" thing :-) The 1XHR, 1YHR and 1ZHR are pretty similar, especially the last two which are identical apart from injector settings. The injection pump can probably be sorted out, the injector is pure Ruston and not used on anything else. The only other guy I know with a 1HR is John Ambler, he bought it off PTFE and I transported it down to his place near Pulborough in Sussex from Philip's place near Oxford. If John still has it, he may be able to help with close-up shots of the parts, the pushrod is nothing special, the air silencer is just a bit of tinware, the oilers and the other parts are more difficult, but I'll copy this to John and see if he responds. We had the flywheels back on ours on the weekend, and today after painting the rims we had it running. Still bouncy-bouncy but we have eliminated the flywheels now and have also marked the flywheel rim on one side to show the point of greatest deflection of the trolley suspension. You NEED to get that Ruston 1HR out of your mate's place and into your workshop, soon! Once last thing, those pictures illustrate nicely what I was saying about the width of the crankshaft, I think it is almost the same as the length of the engine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 11:52:56 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:52:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 April 2010 20:29, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. > We have been experimenting with glow plugs on the Ruston, as the glowing starters that we get from Ray Hooley are gradually becoming 'rocking horse poo', and the unburnt bits stick in the silencer :-)) We tried a short Onan plug which was well red hot in about 10 seconds. but couldn't get much out of the engine at all, so went a bit more modern and found a long-reach glow plug out of the Vauxhall/Opel car diesel, which puts the tip right on top of the piston and in the way of the injector discharge. Knocked up another adaptor tonight (the starter goes into a special housing which screws into the cylinder head, as per Jerry's picture) It's a standard 3/4" BSP blanking plug with an M10 X 1.0 thread in to take the glow plug. With that in place, both flywheels AND the drive wheel on the engine, it fired immediately and picked up on the half compression cam, and really punched away on full whack. Having a hexagonal bodied adaptor turned up now as a permanent fitting, the blanking plugs are too large in the hexagon to fit into the head and we have to run it off on the lather. I'll get some picture posted asap. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 10 12:07:26 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:07:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: <31fd25a4482eca6cc8e1906e4cc6b907.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010 19:34, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8 May 2010 19:01, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Peter, >> >> The Ruston is looking SWEET!! >> Are you taking it to Nuenen this year? >> >> See ya, ?Arnie > > Yes, we will have it there. > > Have been balancing the flywheels yesterday and today, ?cast two > weights, 400g each (about half a pound) out of lead and attached them > to the flywheels. We then intend to further balance the engine when it > is running, hopefully tomorrow. > > The latest pictures (images only, no comments) are here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics01.jpg > > through > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics121.jpg > > The Forum thread is here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229 10 more pictures added. Last image is now: http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics131.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 10 16:31:33 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:31:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine mounted. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 10 17:35:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:35:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished In-Reply-To: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100510.163231.1009.102656@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: CLASS ACT RON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished > For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and > finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine > mounted. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Mon May 10 16:47:08 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <716f3.383c44af.3919f4fc@aol.com> Very nice I like it. Thanks for sharing. KK In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: For Arnie and anyone else who wanted to see the Witte cart painted and finished, I have added four pictures of the finished cart with engine mounted. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue May 11 00:00:07 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:00:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] British Seagull motor manuals Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone have a copy scanned of a British Seagull model 102 outboard motor that I could have please. I am after parts and workshop manual. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 11 04:45:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <7ec4a.6bbc5fdb.391a9d6d@aol.com> In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: Witte cart painted and finished Sure looks great all put together. What is on the end of the exhaust rod, some kind of assist spring? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 11 08:07:37 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:07:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte cart finished Message-ID: <20100511.080810.956.40448@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Hi Tom. It is a battery saver. Allows the circuit for the buzz coil to energize only on the compression stroke, not when it is missing. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:49 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 5/10/2010 7:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > Witte cart painted and > finished > > > Sure looks great all put together. What is on the end of the > exhaust rod, > some kind of assist spring? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: Nikon D90 for $24.73? Special Report: Nikon D90s are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4be972f3cb2b9459c31st02vuc From mgomaize at yahoo.com Tue May 11 15:32:15 2010 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transport from Middletown, Delaware Message-ID: <281564.69112.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, Anyone from the Middletown, Delaware area coming to the Portland swap or anywhere in a reasonable drive of SE Michigan anytime soon. There is a 8 HP Wisconsin engine there I would like to buy. Thanks, Tony From bboyce at swat.coop Tue May 11 18:59:41 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:59:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] head gasket material Message-ID: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> hello all,,,i;ve started back together with the stover 22, and since its been a number of years since i;ve purchased any material for a head gasket, i thought some new and improved material may have surfaced,,, so, what is everyone using nowadays? if i;m not mistaken, the last i bought came from one of the vendors in GEM,,,, any ideas will be appreciated. bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From bboyce at swat.coop Tue May 11 19:25:08 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:25:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <03BB4E7F2D8940AA89E3A04B46E1FD82@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: yes, tommy, it was in uvalde,,,,, we've traded engines with the guy on several occasions,,he has sold just about everything he had now,,,, he had quiet a collection at one time,, bill > Bill, > Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big > Stover there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 11 19:55:14 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <316F04463AAF428F93411019AC5A4609@D2JYVHJ1> Yes, nice gent. I've bought several things off him over the years. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp Stover yes, tommy, it was in uvalde,,,,, we've traded engines with the guy on several occasions,,he has sold just about everything he had now,,,, he had quiet a collection at one time,, bill > Bill, > Did your engine come from Uvalde, TX? I knew there was a big > Stover there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2853 - Release Date: 05/11/10 18:40:00 From gastzt at aol.com Wed May 12 05:11:35 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:11:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] 22 hp Stover Message-ID: <489a0.46d79291.391bf4f7@aol.com> GOSH yes he IS a very nice fellow! I even bought a 8hp Stover from him---NICE old engine! His name is Hensarling----does BEAUTIFUL wood furniture work! Hang in there STOVERS! ha Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 12 08:35:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes Message-ID: <178863d1dba7397a643939954b8feadb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/power_city/2010/05/enpro_has_stake_in_nuclear_renaissance.html See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 12 09:13:53 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes Message-ID: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2010 11:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! Fairbanks built a great engine years ago and still does to this day! One of the very few companies that has remained in business from the start. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed May 12 10:06:13 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes In-Reply-To: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> References: <30c9a.57becef7.391c2dc1@aol.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3AD19939@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, Here's a question for the group. What early engine companies are still in the engine business? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:14 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks-Morse Engines & New Nukes In a message dated 5/12/2010 11:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: A venerable name in the olde engine community is playing a major role in two new BWR power plants being built in Texas. Yee Haw!! Fairbanks built a great engine years ago and still does to this day! One of the very few companies that has remained in business from the start. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From mcanady at lilleyinternational.com Thu May 13 10:16:30 2010 From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com (Merton Canady) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate Message-ID: I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. Thanks Merton From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 13 18:21:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:21:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] head gasket material In-Reply-To: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> Message-ID: Bill: Lee Pedersen (an advertiser on SMokstak) sells various thickness of the dark grey/black high temperature gasket material. It has always worked fine for me. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of bill boyce > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 09:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] head gasket material > > > hello all,,,i;ve started back together with the > stover 22, and since its been a number of years > since i;ve > purchased any material for a head gasket, i > thought some new and improved material may have > surfaced,,, > so, what is everyone using nowadays? if i;m not > mistaken, the last i bought came from one of the vendors > in GEM,,,, any ideas will be appreciated. > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu May 13 17:54:12 2010 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:54:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001caf2ff$fab18280$f0148780$@net> Jerry Evans, a member of this list, makes first class repro brass plates. I have bought several from him and have been very pleased. His contact information is at the bottom of this web page: www.oldengine.org/members/evans Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Merton Canady Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. Thanks Merton _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu May 13 18:01:22 2010 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:01:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Upcomming show June 12-13 In-Reply-To: References: <1B59CD06448E4E3497F2EF3206F5C7F6@billPC> Message-ID: The Wood County Historical Society ( www.woodcountyhistory.org ) will hold its annual Heritage Days farm show on June 12-13. Our steam powered oil drilling rig will be in operation as will the S.M. Jones powered pumping power. The Power of Yesteryear will have a display of farm equipment and gas engines on the museum grounds. Various early farm tasks will be demonstrated along with craft displays. I will be demonstrating in the blacksmith shop next to the boiler. A chicken/pork chop BBQ will be on Sunday at 11:30 until gone. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW Bowling Green, Ohio America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 14 02:20:36 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merton; I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. have a look at the link to my engraving. http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: mcanady at lilleyinternational.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can reproduce one. > Thanks > Merton > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:13:51 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:13:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, This being Africa, our ISP's (Internet Service Provider) e-mail servers crashed sometime around Tuesday and have only been restored today (Saturday).(Is "Service Provider" and oxymoron in this case?) I receive the "Digest" version of the SEL and am suffering serious withdrawal symptoms from not having received it for a few days. Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to or I did get the most recent one (14th May - SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 13). Many thanks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:25:00 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:25:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] re. IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142323.034420b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:16:30 -0400 >From: "Merton Canady" >Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate >I have a IHC Titan Jr engine that is missing it's name/sn plate. Has >anybody ever had a sn plate reproduced or do you know of somebody who can >reproduce one. >Thanks >Merton Hi Merton, I have replied off list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:26:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:26:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142523.03419648@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:54:12 -0500 >From: "Bill Brueck" >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > >Jerry Evans, a member of this list, makes first class repro brass plates. I >have bought several from him and have been very pleased. > >His contact information is at the bottom of this web page: > >www.oldengine.org/members/evans > >Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN USA Thanks Bill. (Your cheque's in the mail :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 05:31:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:31:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 >From: frank skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > >Merton; >I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. >have a look at the link to my engraving. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm >Franklin S. Skinner Franklin, With all due respect, an engraved plate will only always be a cheap substitute for a genuine replica etched plate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 15 06:16:43 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 06:16:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515135730.0343bc08@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On May 15, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th > May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to > or Jerry, If I didn't have my own domain, I would certainly be using a free gmail account from Google. From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 15 07:32:18 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:32:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: , <5.2.1.1.2.20100515142733.03439a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry I know that its isnt an etched plate & I dont want your buisness, I mearly offered my engraving if anyone wants it. After all they arnt the same are they. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:31:17 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > At 06:00 PM 14/05/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 5 > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:20:36 -0400 > >From: frank skinner > >Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Titan Jr SN Plate > > > >Merton; > >I can make engraved plates in brass pretty much to your specs. > >have a look at the link to my engraving. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/pages/engraving.htm > >Franklin S. Skinner > > Franklin, > With all due respect, an engraved plate will only always be a > cheap substitute for a genuine replica etched plate. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 15 10:04:05 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:04:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest Now O.T. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100515183206.00c95740@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 06:16:43 -0700 >From: Rob Skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] e-mail woes. SEL Digest > > >On May 15, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Would anyone who has digest versions from the 10th May thru 13th > > May kindly forward them to me (Off List) to > > or > >Jerry, >If I didn't have my own domain, I would certainly be using a free >gmail account from Google. Hi Rob, Thanks for the reply. I do agree and the way things are happening here at the moment it is a distinct possibility but there are reasons for using this one. I'm not too sure how things work elsewhere but I have 4 domains, each with full e-mail facilities (POP3 as well as Webmail) and they are hosted on a server in Cape Town (about 1000 Kms away) (best hosting company in the country - a German crowd by the name of Hetzner). But, due to the distance and as a legacy from the old "dial-up" days my actual internet connection is done with Cyberserv (a local company - local call rates et al.) Although that has changed in recent years and I now have ADSL and can connect from anywhere I am a "sentimental old fool" and prefer to stay with Cyberserv because I was one of their first customers way back in about 1991/2. I have also kept the same address for all that time and not many people can say that they have had the same e-mail addy for nearly 20 years. In all that time they have given me excellent service and if I have a problem, I can call the owner of the business - not a "help desk" anytime day or night and the problem is sorted out immediately. Unfortunately, in this case they had major problems and it took a few days to sort out but I'm not prepared to take my business away from them because of that. Like I said, "I'm a sentimental old fool!!" but that's the way I am. For reasons of convenience all mail addresses on my domains are set up as "aliases" and simply redirect mail to my "cyberserv" address because that's who I connect to the Internet with. I do not have to check mail in different places. In this case it would have been quite a simple matter to stop them forwarding to cyberserv and check them on the Cape town server but I've been pretty busy this week and also never thought the problem would take so long to resolve. Sorry about the long "Off Topic" explanation but that's just who I am :-) Keep well, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat May 15 19:39:57 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:39:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay10/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 15 23:50:59 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 07:50:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 April 2010 20:29, Listerdiesel wrote: > After a few years laying dormant, and a fairly busy last 12 months, we > had the Ruston running yesterday and today. More videos from yesterday, got the electric start working, just got to get the alternator working now. First one is a shot as the engine is started on the motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIw0v7HE494 Next is Rita starting it up while I shoot the sequence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vlWk3YNZhY Last is the engine running while up on the wood blocks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUEAamOI-2A Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 06:15:50 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:15:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: <13d71.14107ffe.39214a06@aol.com> In a message dated 5/15/2010 10:48:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Patrick, Some very nice displays there! On the National Gas engine, photo 4029, what is the round object that is mounted to the cooling tank? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 16 07:25:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:25:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: What a nice running engine! Thanks for the videos! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 01:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR Running From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 06:42:55 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:42:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] tool collection display Message-ID: A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand tool for many years. The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and built a dedicated building to house them. They are very well known in the US tool collectors group. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) Wish my junk was displayed that neat! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 16 06:59:45 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:59:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <13d71.14107ffe.39214a06@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It is the original type gas bag. The owner is in the process of converting the engine from being a petrol engine back to its original gas operation. Patrick On 16/5/10 11:15 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2010 10:48:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: > > Some pics from the Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally > > Patrick, > > > Some very nice displays there! > > On the National Gas engine, photo 4029, what is the round object that is > mounted to the cooling tank? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 16 07:02:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 08:02:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] tool collection display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VERY NICE TOM...THANKS!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: [SEL] tool collection display > A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand > tool for many years. The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and > built a dedicated building to house them. They are very well known in the > US tool collectors group. > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) > > Wish my junk was displayed that neat! > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 16 08:29:56 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 11:29:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: In a message dated 5/16/2010 10:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: It is the original type gas bag That is neat! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 16 12:10:51 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] tool collection display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294730.90700.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Very nice Tom, I could show you a garage almost like that just down the road from my mother's house. This guy has a four car garage FULL of tools nicely displayed. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: [SEL] tool collection display To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 9:42 AM A few days a go I visited 2 brothers who have been collecting mostly hand? tool for many years.? The have an amazing collection, some very rare, and? built a dedicated building to house them.? They are very well known in the? US tool collectors group.? _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools1.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools2.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools3.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools4.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools5.jpg) _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/tools6.jpg) Wish my junk was displayed that neat! Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 17 14:34:35 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:34:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Guy's, I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and google won't go through. As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 15:23:52 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:23:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my > behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be > collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send > an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even > tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and > google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 15:28:24 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:28:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 17 19:00:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Craig, Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. The guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 (while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) Dave PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. (See: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for "peaceful purposes" only! PPS, Thanks for your consideration! On May 17, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi Guy's, >> >> I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any >> contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased >> an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my >> behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be >> collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send >> an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even >> tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and >> google won't go through. >> As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending >> messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss >> as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. >> I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via >> Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this >> experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and >> may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at >> Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. >> Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if >> it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. > Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon May 17 15:58:14 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:58:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <20100517225805.A35DF9212@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Craig, If your luck is anything like mine you ought to check the obituaries. Or if you have not been trying for very long they might be on vacation. Whats the sellers user ID and or other info? Reputed location? Mark At 05:34 PM 5/17/2010, you wrote: >Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on > my behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to > be collected by another list member, but when either he or myself > send an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We > have even tried contact by phone but the number listed in white > pages and google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either > via Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > > Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 17 16:19:22 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:19:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>, <5EDA920C-5327-456E-A708-19B964AAB2BD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Cuz Rob; I have Guido's number, hes the knee cap guy, here abouts Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: rob at rustyiron.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:23:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > > On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > > > Hi Guy's, > > > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased > > an engine from him in December of last year which was paid for on my > > behalf by a list member,it has been arranged for this engine to be > > collected by another list member, but when either he or myself send > > an email to the vendor we cannot get any reply from him.We have even > > tried contact by phone but the number listed in white pages and > > google won't go through. > > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending > > messages via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss > > as what to do next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this > > experience is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and > > may even make me think twice about buying anything when I'm at > > Portland this year out of fear that I won't see it again. > > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if > > it's just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > So where does this bloke live? That will help in hunting him down. > Should we fit him with a pair of cement shoes, or just break his legs? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 17 16:20:57 2010 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:20:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000001caf617$9db70b20$d9252160$@net> Curt bought a Sandow from me in 2006, paid cash when he picked up the engine, the transaction was routine; I don't remember a lot about it. I don't have e-mail archives back that far, all I have for you now is the e-mail address from 2006 that's in a spreadsheet I keep: cgstoecker at globalccs.net. Stratford rings a bell, and I would probably have remembered if he were from Ames, since that's my home town and we would have known some people in common and connected a few dots. If he's the guy I'm thinking of, he had a special interest in Iowa-built engines. Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 17 16:36:15 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <63B11D62D2F84D209ECDDA7E4EABBE57@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Craig, you have my sympathy on this as I got burned by a model supplier years back. I gave all the details to the lists and members tried to help me. To no avail though and due to him not doing the right thing (I was not alone in being cheated) and my spreading the word, he is no longer in business. You owe it to the rest to warn and give true details Of this event, along with the details of this person. The outcome will decide his future standing in the hobby. This is the only real way of keeping the hobby 'clean' Good luck with the final outcome. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any contact > information for the above named Curt Stoecker. I purchased an engine from > him in December of last year which was paid for on my behalf by a list > member,it has been arranged for this engine to be collected by another > list member, but when either he or myself send an email to the vendor we > cannot get any reply from him.We have even tried contact by phone but the > number listed in white pages and google won't go through. > As this engine was purchased on E-bay I've even tried sending messages > via E-bay but they also go unanswered. I am now at a loss as what to do > next, any suggestions would be appreciated. > I have bought quite a few engines and parts in the USA either via > Engine-ads or E-bay without any problems in the past, but this experience > is starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and may even make me > think twice about buying anything when I'm at Portland this year out of > fear that I won't see it again. > Any help or advice on this matter would be appreciated ,even if it's > just an email address or phone number that we can try. > > > Thankyou a VERY PISSED OFF, Craig in sunny Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 18:51:02 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:51:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> The only number I could turn up was 515 838-2836 I've tried it both as a local and a long-distance call. Both fail to go through. (it should be LD from Des Moines) I've tried DEXKNOWS (the local QWEST phone book online) www.whitepages.com and google and bing No response on email. (but no bounce messages either) I'm at a loss. I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his wife sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that they claimed her uncle had given her child as a present. They lost on both counts. The uncle showed he didn't gift the horse, and did nothing wrong by going and taking it back. But that's all I've been able to find so far......... Bill Runnells, Iowa -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 18:51:40 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:51:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <84635EE9-F73D-40A8-B834-88481B2B9B3C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: PS - Stratford - getting up near Fort Dodge......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker On May 17, 2010, at 2:34 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Guy's, > > I turn to the wide network of the SEL for help in getting any > contact information for the above named Curt Stoecker. There's a dude by that name who has addresses in both Ames and Stratford, Iowa. He also has two phone numbers. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 17 19:34:44 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:34:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> Message-ID: <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his > wife > sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that > they > claimed her uncle had given her child Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 17 19:55:09 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:55:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: That may be but it aint helping Craig. His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer park". Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person overseas ever can. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >> wife >> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >> they >> claimed her uncle had given her child > > Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He > sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by > and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a > school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the > horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 17 20:11:46 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:11:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if anyone that works there might have any ideas........... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg Ingold Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker That may be but it aint helping Craig. His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer park". Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person overseas ever can. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >> wife >> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >> they >> claimed her uncle had given her child > > Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He > sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by > and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a > school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the > horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 18 00:08:42 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:08:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Guys, Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I have is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And as Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying and selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name of "JANAES99" . I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact information for him. Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > That may be but it aint helping Craig. > His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is > near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to > him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer > park". > Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person > overseas ever can. > Reg > > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> >> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>> wife >>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>> they >>> claimed her uncle had given her child >> >> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 18:26:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 18 00:15:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:15:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: On 18 May 2010 04:11, Bill Dickerson wrote: > The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if > anyone that works there might have any ideas........... > > Bill I'll ask Harry Matthews if he has any info on the Smokstak members list. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 18 01:18:28 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:18:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He may be dead and not discovered!! You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Guys, > Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I > have > is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And > as > Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this > point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying > and > selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name > of > "JANAES99" . > I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact > information for him. > > Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is >> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to >> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >> park". >> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person >> overseas ever can. >> Reg >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> >>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>>> wife >>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>> they >>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>> >>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 > 18:26:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Tue May 18 03:42:09 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <5914f.69e44ad6.3923c901@aol.com> Bill shoot me a Email as I grew up in Altoona IA. _BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) Thanks Kevin K In a message dated 5/17/2010 9:57:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: Bill Runnells, Iowa From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Tue May 18 03:49:21 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker Message-ID: <598f0.5199a52c.3923cab1@aol.com> Here is a suggestion. Do a search for his closest neighbor and give the neighbor a call. That's just to check to see if he lives there. If you then found him, your going to have to contact a local attorney to have a letter sent to him. (Certified) This will flush the man out and let him think something is coming. Keep it cool calm and collective. KK In a message dated 5/18/2010 4:27:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He may be dead and not discovered!! You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > Guys, > Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I > have > is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA 50249. And > as > Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. At this > point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been buying > and > selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under the name > of > "JANAES99" . > I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact > information for him. > > Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a member is >> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it known to >> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >> park". >> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a person >> overseas ever can. >> Reg >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Skinner" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> >>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and his >>>> wife >>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>> they >>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>> >>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self-entitlement. He >>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy came by >>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 > 18:26:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 18 05:03:11 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 05:03:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: Yeah, at this point it's simply to contact the fellow to get this wrapped up! No panic yet....... But I find it odd that the only phone listing won't go through and there's no email response. OTOH, we've seen even on this list how something can happen to someone (like they get sick, cancer, or worse........) and well, things happen. So it's possible this is an honest out of touch thing....... we need to be sure. Anyone who lives in my neighborhood would wonder how authorities ever find any bodies as if someone wanted to commit the perfect crime and dispose of all evidence, there's land here just a few yards south of me that no humans have been on for decades. Cell phones don't even work on our property. TV reception sucks. Anyway, we just need a response from the fellow so the engine can be picked up. Bill out in the sticks near runnells! Former mechanic at Porters Auto Parts and Service, Altoona, Iowa Former farmer near Thornton/Clear Lake, Iowa Current classic car nut and antique engine fixer-upper at Runnells > On 18 May 2010 04:11, Bill Dickerson wrote: >> The agency I work for does have an office in Fort Dodge, I could see if >> anyone that works there might have any ideas........... >> >> Bill > > I'll ask Harry Matthews if he has any info on the Smokstak members list. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 10:01:54 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:01:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? Dave On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He > may be > dead and not discovered!! > You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > > >> Guys, >> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >> have >> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >> 50249. And >> as >> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >> At this >> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >> buying >> and >> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >> the name >> of >> "JANAES99" . >> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >> information for him. >> >> Thanks, Craig >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>> member is >>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>> known to >>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>> park". >>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>> person >>> overseas ever can. >>> Reg >>> >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>> his >>>>> wife >>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>> they >>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>> >>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>> entitlement. He >>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>> came by >>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >> 05/16/10 >> 18:26:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 18 08:13:20 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:13:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> Message-ID: <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now and will call him later today and make the arrangements. WOW and whew! Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL Sort of a "hint"...... Bill > Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit > already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? > Dave > > On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > >> I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He >> may be >> dead and not discovered!! >> You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "craig morrison" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >> >>> Guys, >>> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >>> have >>> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >>> 50249. And >>> as >>> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >>> At this >>> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >>> buying >>> and >>> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >>> the name >>> of >>> "JANAES99" . >>> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >>> information for him. >>> >>> Thanks, Craig >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Reg Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>>> member is >>>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>>> known to >>>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>>> park". >>>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>>> person >>>> overseas ever can. >>>> Reg >>>> >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> engine.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>>> his >>>>>> wife >>>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>>> they >>>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>>> >>>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>>> entitlement. He >>>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>>> came by >>>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >>> 05/16/10 >>> 18:26:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 18 08:38:35 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:38:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: References: <1CD90A280C01472BAC9DE0F19AAD7DAA@l2800> Message-ID: On 18 May 2010 13:03, wrote: > Yeah, at this point it's simply to contact the fellow to get this wrapped up! > No panic yet....... > But I find it odd that the only phone listing won't go through and there's > no email response. > OTOH, we've seen even on this list how something can happen to someone > (like they get sick, cancer, or worse........) and well, things happen. > So it's possible this is an honest out of touch thing....... we need to be > sure. > Anyone who lives in my neighborhood would wonder how authorities ever find > any bodies as if someone wanted to commit the perfect crime and dispose of > all evidence, there's land here just a few yards south of me that no > humans have been on for decades. > Cell phones don't even work on our property. TV reception sucks. > > Anyway, we just need a response from the fellow so the engine can be > picked up. > > Bill Had this back from Harry on Smokstak: cgstoecker at globalccs.net Last Smokstak activity 12/2/09 Joined 3/30/07 Curt B Stoecker Age 49 1585 400th St Stratford, IA 50249-7547 (515) 838-2836 Also picking up an unlisted number here - may be old: CURTIS B STOECKER Age 49 1512 FLORIDA AVE AMES, IA 50014 (515) 292-2133 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 18 09:26:54 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:26:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now > and > will call him later today and make the arrangements. > WOW and whew! > > Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL > Sort of a "hint"...... > > Bill Good job, mate! From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 18 09:57:28 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:57:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com><3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <29E46483AB6448198DC9A15A06E50D77@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Curt just emailed me direct as well , and I'm now happy that everything is finally unravelling it's self. I sure everything will now be wrapped up without ant problems, but it was starting to get worrying but atleast its now all sorted. Thanks to all who offered any suggestions of how to go about this, I did think it would help to air this on the list as Bill and myself were always hitting a brick wall. Thanks again , Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED > SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now and > will call him later today and make the arrangements. > WOW and whew! > > Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL > Sort of a "hint"...... > > Bill > >> Reg, Are you trying to say that Rob may have paid Curt a visit >> already? Do you know if there are any elevatore close? >> Dave >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: >> >>> I just looked it up on Google Earth. Man! That sure is isolated. He >>> may be >>> dead and not discovered!! >>> You would need a good voice to call a neighbor. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "craig morrison" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>> >>> >>>> Guys, >>>> Thanks for the suggestions etc, The only contact information that I >>>> have >>>> is as follows, Curt Stoecker, 1585 400th Street, Stratford IA >>>> 50249. And >>>> as >>>> Bill says when he tries to phone him the number won't go through. >>>> At this >>>> point I'm not saying he has scammed me in any way, as he has been >>>> buying >>>> and >>>> selling on E-bay in the last month or so, on there he goes under >>>> the name >>>> of >>>> "JANAES99" . >>>> I will try contacting Kenny Wolf to see if he has any contact >>>> information for him. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Craig >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Reg Ingold" >>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>> >>>> >>>>> That may be but it aint helping Craig. >>>>> His address, and other details need putting up on here so if a >>>>> member is >>>>> near, he can do what we all would for a friend, try and make it >>>>> known to >>>>> him that if "He Messes with Craig, he messes with the whole trailer >>>>> park". >>>>> Contact with the local police from another local does more than a >>>>> person >>>>> overseas ever can. >>>>> Reg >>>>> >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>>> Newcastle.NSW Australia >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rob Skinner" >>>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>> engine.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:34 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>>>>>> I did find through Google an interesting court case where he and >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> wife >>>>>>> sued his wife's uncle for trespassing and taking a horse back that >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> claimed her uncle had given her child >>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, this joker seems to harbor some illusion of self- >>>>>> entitlement. He >>>>>> sued the 75 year old uncle for trespassing, after the old guy >>>>>> came by >>>>>> and picked up his horse. The uncle let the kid use the horse for a >>>>>> school project, and the kid could no longer properly care for the >>>>>> horse. It sounds to me like this guy is the hind end of a horse. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: >>>> 05/16/10 >>>> 18:26:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2881 - Release Date: 05/18/10 06:26:00 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 18 11:25:04 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:25:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 18/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker > >Hi Craig, > Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. The >guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 >(while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, >on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of >Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low >price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 >bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more >than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more >individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) > Dave >PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at >OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. >(See: >http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html > > Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for >"peaceful purposes" only! >PPS, Thanks for your consideration! Hi Guys, (a bit late but I only get the digest). Wow what an interesting thread. The SEL stands together !! Great stuff. I remember Reg's model problem from a few years - bad one ! Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. Jerry. From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 17:11:47 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:11:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <426E9D54-ABAF-49A2-9E86-9EF446B2A04E@me.com> > Hi Jerry, I try to save the customer money by a single shot into the left eye and out the back of the head. Arnie, on the other hand, will make it painful if the customer insists. He still follows the "three shot" rule, but the first is in the ankle, the second about 2.1 feet higher and then (after a short time) the third is in the left eye. Dave PS, I'm thinking of going on my own when I grow up, and since my method saves "energy" calling it "The Green Alternative." > Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more > painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. > Jerry. From rotigel at me.com Tue May 18 17:14:05 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:14:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800> <51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com> <3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com> <9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6A9333EF-F430-4AC5-87A8-6B1A437C8EF5@me.com> On May 18, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now >> and >> will call him later today and make the arrangements. >> WOW and whew! >> >> Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL >> Sort of a "hint"...... >> >> Bill > > > > Good job, mate! Yup, Good on ya mate! Dave From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 19 01:25:44 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:25:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT Message-ID: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> Hi all A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 19 04:57:12 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:57:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Well Craig must have a really good friend here or at Harry's or somewhere who was watching out for him because I got this last night. Seems someone was "watching" this list or some web site, and decided to contact the sheriff's department who then contacted Curt, and told him what was being said... Hard to believe this is a spoof since it would be SO SIMPLE to check up on! Here's the email........... was someone threatening him?? OR, did a friend of Curt's see the joking around and get PO'd about it? ----------------- Bill, I just got a call from the Hamilton Co. Sherriff stating that someone had forwarded him an e-mail of an internet posting that Craig Morrison has posted threatening me over this engine deal. I was told that I probably should not release this engine to anyone except Craig Morrison with a photo ID. Not sure what to do, Any good ideas? Thank You Curt ----------------- I emailed him back stating I'm on this list and saw no such thing, and in fact I thought Craig was really cool about it all, and wasn't even in panic mode, just wanted to get in contact. I also stated that as proof I'd forward him either email or paper copies of all email I had on the topic showing there was no threat made by Craig at any time, and he was only concerned about contact, and not threatening in any way. I said he was free to call the law around here and ask about me, contact my neighbors, co-workers, etc if he felt it necessary. I've not heard back since. Bill Down by the river near Runnells... > At 06:00 PM 18/05/2010, you wrote: >>Message: 4 >>Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 >>From: David Rotigel >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker >> >>Hi Craig, >> Rob is very good at what he does, but is somewhat over priced. >> The >>guy he left in the elevator (between floors) for three weeks in 2006 >>(while creative) was at a cost of more than $US6,000.00! Arnie and I, >>on the other hand, do "low cost elimination" at less that half of >>Rob's prices. Knee caps are $US250.00 each or two for the amazing low >>price of $US350.00. Total elimination ranges from $US675.00 (per .380 >>bullet) to $US1,125.00 (per.45 bullet) with a guarantee of no more >>than 3 (three) bullets per individual! (Lower rates for two or more >>individuals if orders are placed at the same time!) >> Dave >>PS, Arnie is developing a NTB (Nuke The Bas#@rd) program at >>OUTSTANDINGLY LOW prices. Contact me off list for further details. >>(See: >>http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-17/miniature-nuclear-plants-seek-approval-to-work-in-u-s-update1-.html >> >> Like Iran, Arnie has assured the UN that his "reactor" is for >>"peaceful purposes" only! >>PPS, Thanks for your consideration! > > > Hi Guys, > (a bit late but I only get the digest). > > Wow what an interesting thread. The SEL stands together !! Great > stuff. I remember Reg's model problem from a few years - bad one ! > > Just a question for Dave, are your "cheaper alternatives" more > painful? Not being much of a "Gun guy" I was just wondering. > Jerry. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed May 19 07:58:00 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:58:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker In-Reply-To: <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100518201712.04c7c0f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <95b3035039ab416374fd4739d8e8dd6b.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: On May 19, 2010, at 4:57 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Well Craig must have a really good friend here or at Harry's or > somewhere > who was watching out for him because I got this last night. > Seems someone was "watching" this list or some web site, and decided > to > contact the sheriff's department who then contacted Curt, and told him > what was being said... What do you expect? This weasel sued his wife's 75 year old uncle for trespassing. He's the kind of guy who will stop at nothing to screw someone over, and now he has Craig's money and won't provide the engine or respond to Craig's attempts to contact him. If Craig was to ask you to act on his behalf and provide the documentation showing that he bought the engine, you could contact the sheriff yourself. Explain how Craig is the victim of wire fraud, and ask them to go have a talk with him. It wouldn't hurt to remind the sheriff that this is the sort of guy who sues a 75 year old uncle. Use the facts to paint him as a bad guy. If that doesn't work, ask them for the procedure by which Craig can call them on the phone and file a complaint. From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 19 08:10:41 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:10:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the occasional horn or sounder. Mark At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >Hi all > >A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? >If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 19 08:39:11 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <641083.42497.qm@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Your best bet is to arrange for someone stateside to procure your parts for you from a vendor prior to your visit. Almost anything you need can be bought from Dwane Wyatt wyattsmusical.com at a reasonable price and in good usable condition. A lot of parts look like they might fit but won't when you get them home, so finding a bargain in the flea market usually doesn't work out the way you planned. I have a large (35 piece) collection of Edison cylinder machines, ranging from my 1889 Class M to my Amberola 75, including the models Opera, Idelia, the complete set of Standards and Homes, a few Triumphs, Firesides and Gems. I might have what you need if you let me know. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:10 AM I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are not accurate indicators of future events.? The spring wound motors and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the occasional horn or sounder. Mark At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >Hi all > >A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder models)? >If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 19 14:29:30 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:29:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: But worry about taking them home! My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated on his return flight to Tasmania.!! How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? Sanity is surely dead!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT >I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even > the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are > not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors > and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the > occasional horn or sounder. > > Mark > > > > At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >>Hi all >> >>A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for >>my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas >>at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? >> >>Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder >>models)? >>If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au >> >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>Skype name: ozengines >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 19 15:45:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress Message-ID: Gang: The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 19 15:16:44 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20100519221634.E3F1F934F@smtp.wcoil.com> Anything that looks out of the ordinary is at risk of confiscation, hell anything really, Mail small antique and vintage items home. Mark At 05:29 PM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >But worry about taking them home! >My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated >on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > >How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >Sanity is surely dead!! >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Shulaw" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:10 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > > > >I have seen parts of these at Portland show in the antique and even > > the engine parts vending area before. But as always past results are > > not accurate indicators of future events. The spring wound motors > > and governors are not uncommon items to be seen. As well as the > > occasional horn or sounder. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > At 04:25 AM 5/19/2010, you wrote: > >>Hi all > >> > >>A little off topic, while in the USA I will be after some parts for > >>my Edison Phonographs. Do any of the sellers in the swap/sale areas > >>at Portland, IN or Mt Pleasant, IA sell these items?? > >> > >>Is there anyone on the LISTS that collect Edison Phongraphs (cylinder > >>models)? > >>If so contact me HERE ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au > >> > >> > >>Regards > >>Peter Lowe > >>R&V Engine Registrar > >>Australia > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > >>Skype name: ozengines > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 19 16:43:46 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:43:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <20100519221634.E3F1F934F@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <08AA947B930E4780ADEFAB6AD4518C6A@D2JYVHJ1> There may have been an inspector who needed a set of Letter Punches.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY At 05:29 PM 5/19/2010, you wrote: >But worry about taking them home! >My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated >on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > >How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >Sanity is surely dead!! >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed May 19 19:14:22 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:14:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Message-ID: Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Wed May 19 22:37:58 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:37:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B58FF0B-474A-4531-887D-7D3091745867@me.com> Ah Patrick, I had the same problem YEARS ago when Jennie became pregnant and I had to find a way to tell my (then) wife Joann. It was a problem on which I spent much thought, many tears and many hours of reflevtion, I spent days in bed with this problen and finally when all my buds arrived we had a meeting, At that meeting ell of those assembelled voted 71% to kill the bitch, I did and the problem was no more On May 19, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 19 19:38:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <51E8952A666F423096F6CFC0C6D09166@D2JYVHJ1> Congratulations Patrick! Get ready. Your life is going to change a LOT in a few months. Old iron will still have its place, but you'll find yourself consumed with something a lot more dear to you....and a lot more work! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2883 - Release Date: 05/19/10 06:26:00 From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 19 20:16:46 2010 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:16:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra References: Message-ID: <003501caf7ca$e2566e10$210110ac@Chester> Well done Patrick & Ann, you need to collect some more old iron for him/her, well thats one of my escuses anyway, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Wed May 19 20:34:08 2010 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:34:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra References: Message-ID: Great news Patrick. In future I may not catch you as often at rallies. All the best. John Mathieson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 06:26:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 06:26:00 From gandr at slingshot.co.nz Wed May 19 21:28:14 2010 From: gandr at slingshot.co.nz (Graham and Ros) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:28:14 +1200 Subject: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED References: <3455558447664586B366C1353CA611AB@l2800><51E2BB74-8FF6-4EED-A454-1ACDD9C0FF8A@rustyiron.com><3130600EB9D344579C9B32BF4C65886F@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><81F6781D-C19C-47F0-9BCD-E5D0883B8D64@me.com><9255bedf073a1dd01002412d96cbcce5.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <3D0C48784BC447D28C0A619ABDAE3EC0@hagrid> name and shame still works well cheers graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt Stoecker !! SOLVED > > On May 18, 2010, at 8:13 AM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> SOLVED! Curt just emailed me, I've got a different phone number now >> and >> will call him later today and make the arrangements. >> WOW and whew! >> >> Funny, Dave - one could read Reg's message that way! LOL >> Sort of a "hint"...... >> >> Bill > > > > Good job, mate! > > > > > > > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 19 22:14:04 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 06:14:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 03:14, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! > All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone Congratulations from us both! Peter & Rita -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Thu May 20 05:25:35 2010 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:25:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001caf817$8f5ec750$0201010a@JBCooper> Congratulations Patrick and Ann. May your bundle of joy bring you many years of happiness. Beryl and I are on the other end of the scale. 43 years married, 3 adult children and 7 grandchildren. No regrets. John Cooper Bega N.S.W. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 12:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 20 05:30:18 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Message-ID: <278d2.5a83830c.3926855a@aol.com> Congrads to both of you. KK In a message dated 5/20/2010 8:29:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes: Congratulations Patrick and Ann. May your bundle of joy bring you many years of happiness. Beryl and I are on the other end of the scale. 43 years married, 3 adult children and 7 grandchildren. No regrets. John Cooper Bega N.S.W. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 12:14 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra Some good news. Ann & I are expecting our first child in November! All is going well but I don't know how to break the news to Petra ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 20 09:56:30 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From gandr at slingshot.co.nz Thu May 20 11:21:55 2010 From: gandr at slingshot.co.nz (Graham and Ros) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 06:21:55 +1200 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress References: Message-ID: <77E8564114A345068736FAA294AA043B@hagrid> Hi Elden, That is a great little engine and it sounds nice too, i can't wait to see the next video. just one question, how many hours have you clocked up on it so far (approximately)?. Cheers Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my > webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 12:27:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Steve! Today, I re-did the valve actuator cylinder and put in a stiffer check valve spring and it now motors on about 30 PSI, close enough for now. I'll probably work on ignition tomorrow. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > > > Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 20 11:45:08 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:45:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Parts_available_at_Portland_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=26_Mt_Pleasant_OT?= In-Reply-To: References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Hi Reg It's fear of the unknown. On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his carry-on which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male agents on either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the checked baggage. I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently stamp a rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? Dolly On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: > But worry about taking them home! > My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES confiscated > on his return flight to Tasmania.!! > > How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? > Sanity is surely dead!! > Reg& Marg Ingold > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Thu May 20 12:01:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:01:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress References: Message-ID: It has an interesting sound even on compressed air.Can't wait to hear and see it running on gas. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Steve Royster Sent: Thu 5/20/2010 12:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress Looking good, Elden, That was fast work , Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:07 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > Gang: > > The McVickerish Engine ran on air for the first time today! Look on my webpage for more information if you're interested. > > Also, today I uploaded a video to Youtube of it running on air: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFAqNegOzI > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 20 13:28:12 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:28:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you Guys 'n Gals out there in preservation land, From past posts some of you probably remember that one of my favourite places is "Sandstone Estates": Well !!! Look what they just got. A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. This factory is situated in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa and dates to the 1880's. Grahamstown was the most important town in the area accupied by the original 1820 British Settlers and the area is still "very British". The mill is centrally situated in the City of Grahamstown (Grahamstown qualifies as a "city" by virtue of the fact that it has a Cathedral) and as too often happens today, the ground is just too valuable and the "developers" have got in. The whole Mill House came up for auction last week and Sandstone bought it at a bargain price. It consists of a 4 level milling operation all driven by an 1880's (sometime) Crossley Suction Gas engine via lineshafts. There are 4 Roller mills included as well as ALL ancillary equipment. By prior arrangement with the owners and auctioneers the complete building (due for demolition), including the roof and woodwork (floors & roof trusses) as well as all tools, all documents etc. formed part of the "Lot". Well, I cannot describe everything in this post - go and have a look yourselves: If this link "wraps" then copy the part between the <> brackets into your browser. I do not have confirmation on the price apart from a newspaper article someone sent me but it was a bargain. I'd rather not mention it on a public forum at this time but suffice to say that if Arnie (or a few other list members) gave up his "beer money" for a year it could have been theirs. Of course it is going to take many times this amount to dismantle it, move it to it's new home at Sandstone and re-erect it but you can read all about that on the linked page above. It appears that my friend, Andy Selfe, may be tasked with this "job" which will probably take a few years. (But Sandstone does get a "move on" with projects like this). I hope that I'm invited to the "Start Up". While you are on Sandstones site have a look at this page which says a few nice things about me: . (Please forgive the unashamed "ego bashing". It's really nice when customers go to this amount of effort to say "thanks" for a job done. Whenever I do work for them I get a personal letter from the "big boss" thanking me for my effort. Not too many businesses do that anymore and it is well appreciated - makes me try harder next time.) He (the owner/"big boss") also owns a farm in the UK: The pretty girl on the front page is his daughter Tamara. All for now, enjoy the links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 20 14:51:14 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:51:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Because of the grreed (Extra$$ if you have a case) they only had cabin bags for the couple of days here. Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more stressful and difficult. There is a scam in Cambodia where they sell the Tennis racket flyswats in the markets, confiscate at the airport and back to the markets! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > Hi Reg > > It's fear of the unknown. > On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his carry-on > which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. > The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level > with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male agents on > either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The > spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have > dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the > checked baggage. > > I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently stamp a > rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? > > Dolly > > On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: >> But worry about taking them home! >> My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES >> confiscated >> on his return flight to Tasmania.!! >> >> How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >> Sanity is surely dead!! >> Reg& Marg Ingold >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 20 15:56:23 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:28 PM Hi all you Guys 'n Gals out there in preservation land, ? ? ? ???From past posts some of you probably remember that one of my favourite places is "Sandstone Estates": ? ? ? ???Well !!! Look what they just got. A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. This factory is situated in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa and dates to the 1880's. Grahamstown was the most important town in the area accupied by the original 1820 British Settlers and the area is still "very British". ? ? ? ???The mill is centrally situated in the City of Grahamstown (Grahamstown qualifies as a "city" by virtue of the fact that it has a Cathedral) and as too often happens today, the ground is just too valuable and the "developers" have got in. ? ? ? ???The whole Mill House came up for auction last week and Sandstone bought it at a bargain price. ? ? ? ???It consists of a 4 level milling operation all driven by an 1880's (sometime) Crossley Suction Gas engine via lineshafts. There are 4 Roller mills included as well as ALL ancillary equipment. ? ? ? ???By prior arrangement with the owners and auctioneers the complete building (due for demolition), including the roof and woodwork (floors & roof trusses) as well as all tools, all documents etc. formed part of the "Lot". ? ? ? ???Well, I cannot describe everything in this post - go and have a look yourselves: ? ? ? ???If this link "wraps" then copy the part between the <> brackets into your browser. ? ? ? ???I do not have confirmation on the price apart from a newspaper article someone sent me but it was a bargain. I'd rather not mention it on a public forum at this time but suffice to say that if Arnie (or a few other list members) gave up his "beer money" for a year it could have been theirs. ? ? ? ???Of course it is going to take many times this amount to dismantle it, move it to it's new home at Sandstone and re-erect it but you can read all about that on the linked page above. ? ? ? ???It appears that my friend, Andy Selfe, may be tasked with this "job" which will probably take a few years. (But Sandstone does get a "move on" with projects like this). I hope that I'm invited to the "Start Up". ? ? ? ???While you are on Sandstones site have a look at this page which says a few nice things about me: . ? ? ? ???(Please forgive the unashamed "ego bashing". It's really nice when customers go to this amount of effort to say "thanks" for a job done. Whenever I do work for them I get a personal letter from the "big boss" thanking me for my effort. Not too many businesses do that anymore and it is well appreciated - makes me try harder next time.) ? ? ? ???He (the owner/"big boss") also owns a farm in the UK: The pretty girl on the front page is his daughter Tamara. ? ? ? ???All for now, enjoy the links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 17:18:18 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:18:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress In-Reply-To: <77E8564114A345068736FAA294AA043B@hagrid> Message-ID: Graham: Since I'm now retired, worthless and bone idle (mostly), I don't keep a time sheet but I've been averaging probably 25 hours a week since I started the project sometime around 20 March 2010. You add 'em up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Graham and > Ros > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 01:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] McVickerish Engine Progress > > > Hi Elden, > That is a great little engine and it > sounds nice too, i can't > wait to see the next video. > just one question, how many hours have you > clocked up on it so far > (approximately)?. > Cheers > Graham From edurand at mchsi.com Thu May 20 17:24:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:24:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100520212736.00c7cae8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: That is quite some undertaking! I wish them the best of luck with the move. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 03:28 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 20 16:24:40 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:24:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/2010 5:04:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: A fully equipped, historically significant, roller mill factory. WOW, what a treasure trove of goodies! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 20 18:31:10 2010 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 18:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: You don't believe in re-cycling? " they sell the Tennis racket flyswats in the markets, confiscate at the airport and back to the markets!" Paul in California PS: A recent plane trip from Las Vegas to SanFran took about ten hours. I could have driven in that time. From rotigel at me.com Thu May 20 21:39:37 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:39:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> Hi Dolly, I just HOPE that you reward Jim PROPERLY for him ALLOWING you to use his 'puter! Dave On May 20, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Reg > > It's fear of the unknown. > On one of our post 9-11 trips, Jim had a couple of tools in his > carry-on > which were to be gifts. A spirit level and a small Whitworth spanner. > The female customs agent puzzled long and hard over the spirit level > with its strange, luminous green liquid inside, until the male > agents on > either side of her rolled their eyes and said "let it through". The > spanner caused more trouble, because, of course, Jim could EASILY have > dismatled the entire aircraft midair with it and it had to go in the > checked baggage. > > I suppose the letter punches could have been used to permanently > stamp a > rude name into the forehead of uncooperative cabin crew? > > Dolly > > On 19/05/2010 22:29, Reg Ingold wrote: >> But worry about taking them home! >> My son in law visited last week and had a set of LETTER PUNCHES >> confiscated >> on his return flight to Tasmania.!! >> >> How in hells name can they be a "Dangerous weapon" ? >> Sanity is surely dead!! >> Reg& Marg Ingold >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu May 20 21:45:21 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:45:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: By Golly Darn Reg, That's the same thing the security officers here said about you the last time you visited the USA! Dave On May 20, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more > stressful and > difficult. > Reg From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 20 19:22:32 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:22:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe><20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com><4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk><2F7E79B6991D47288464BB15C0CA55D8@regpc> Message-ID: <42DAB86F0A2C42BC9609D349E00A3663@regpc> Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT > By Golly Darn Reg, That's the same thing the security officers here > said about you the last time you visited the USA! > Dave > > On May 20, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: >> Every trip I have taken by plane has got progressively more >> stressful and >> difficult. >> Reg > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 20 20:05:13 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:05:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT Message-ID: <380-2201055213513786@M2W125.mail2web.com> I think it basically falls into two catagories. 1. You pay peanuts - you get monkeys, or in this case Gorillas 2. You give a Gorilla a uniform and it goes to his/her head. There amount of interest in the job is ZERO. Last time in the US I bought a nice Wizard Rotary low tension generator from Ron Haskell. I packed it nice and tightly amoungst my clothes to help preserve it from the Gorilla treament at the airport. Of course it rang bells and sirens on x-ray and I was asked for my key to the pad lock. I told them what it was and to be carefull, I got a stare and told to stand behind the line. He pulled it out and then threw it back in my suitcase, I refused to accept the way it was packed and told them to pack it as I had. We had three goes at this until I asked to speak to a supervisor. This of course added another Gorilla to the equation and finally it was packed as I had done it. On arriving home in Sydney I noticed the suitcase was scuffed a little and on opening it, my generator had the horse shoe magnets almost dislodged from the body of the generator. I guess after I put in onto the conveyor at LAX it was dropped the tree levels of the building in one go and hit the ground with a thud. ;-)) I was hoping to only take a back pack and my laptop in August, but I have a fair bit of R&V literature to bring so I will have to take a small suitcase. I guess we wait in anticipation to see what awaits us this time when we fly across that big pond. Peter, Oz Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu May 20 23:15:51 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:15:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Message-ID: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 engines were displayed. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Thu May 20 23:41:20 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:41:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A3DC6A9-31AB-4844-A619-76E56092E800@rustyiron.com> On May 20, 2010, at 11:15 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just > the > pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check > spelling of > owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. > just > North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 > engines were displayed. > Enjoy. WOW! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 21 00:00:58 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:00:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT References: <380-2201055213513786@M2W125.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Peter, On one trip in the USA, I was sitting at the rear of the plane and, looking out the window, saw my bag on the conveyer. It came to the end, 5 feet off the ground and, THUD!! Yup, nobody to take it off. When I got it from the baggage spinaround, it was split and ruined. I took it to the airline front counter and told them my baggage was damaged. Reply? "How do you know WE did it? Reply, "Cos I watched it exit the plane!" (LOTS of people getting tickets) I then got a voucher for the cost of new luggage.(To MY evaluation of the cost of the original!) Ya gotta play the game THEY set the rules for!! Grin. Travelling around the globe does give you a few clues. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT I think it basically falls into two catagories. 1. You pay peanuts - you get monkeys, or in this case Gorillas 2. You give a Gorilla a uniform and it goes to his/her head. There amount of interest in the job is ZERO. Last time in the US I bought a nice Wizard Rotary low tension generator from Ron Haskell. I packed it nice and tightly amoungst my clothes to help preserve it from the Gorilla treament at the airport. Of course it rang bells and sirens on x-ray and I was asked for my key to the pad lock. I told them what it was and to be carefull, I got a stare and told to stand behind the line. He pulled it out and then threw it back in my suitcase, I refused to accept the way it was packed and told them to pack it as I had. We had three goes at this until I asked to speak to a supervisor. This of course added another Gorilla to the equation and finally it was packed as I had done it. On arriving home in Sydney I noticed the suitcase was scuffed a little and on opening it, my generator had the horse shoe magnets almost dislodged from the body of the generator. I guess after I put in onto the conveyor at LAX it was dropped the tree levels of the building in one go and hit the ground with a thud. ;-)) I was hoping to only take a back pack and my laptop in August, but I have a fair bit of R&V literature to bring so I will have to take a small suitcase. I guess we wait in anticipation to see what awaits us this time when we fly across that big pond. Peter, Oz Ha! is he in for a shock! I am returning in August!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 21 03:46:15 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:46:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Parts available at Portland & Mt Pleasant OT In-Reply-To: <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> References: <3E24B66208F340BBA4BD79413BA9647C@peterlowe> <20100519151033.0868B9347@smtp.wcoil.com> <4BF58334.3070109@insulate.co.uk> <0DCE174E-D307-443B-9188-2E25EB4995DF@me.com> Message-ID: <4BF66477.5040500@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave I've let him go to Nuenen with his twin brother AND made them food and cookies to take, while I stay at home to clean the house and do the gardening. Is that good enough? Dolly On 21/05/2010 05:39, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Dolly, I just HOPE that you reward Jim PROPERLY for him ALLOWING > you to use his 'puter! > Dave > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 21 10:11:13 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ron Frost >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? Hi Ron, No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines either but are they not beautiful? Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a very fine smooth meal (flour). There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kosh at ncweb.com Fri May 21 10:58:00 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521135146.0bf55140@ncweb.com> Actually, I was hoping it would be Rick Rowlands saying he had a rolling mill. The grain machinery is cool though...there are a couple working antique flour mills near here, one is yuppie commercial with a water wheel, the other is a state park with a fairly big steam engine. Dave Merchant At 01:11 PM 5/21/2010, Jerry Evans wrote: >At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Ron Frost > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > >Hi Ron, > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines >either but are they not beautiful? > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains >like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then >used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills >had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a >very fine smooth meal (flour). > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the >subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole >thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 21 10:57:56 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BF6C9A4.8050009@coastalnet.com> Jerry, I think Rob can supply a first person account on the operation of a roller mill. Also one small correction, Jerry; most stone mills have a stationary stone and a rotating, or "runner" stone. Take care. Ken From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 21 11:02:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love any list members to comment on how one would set them up. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Ron Frost > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > Hi Ron, > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > either but are they not beautiful? > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 11:19:17 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <538983.90349.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> thanks Jerry. That answers my question. I also am not familiar with them. I have seen the double stone ones. Not in operation. Just the stones. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Jerry Evans wrote: From: Jerry Evans Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 1:11 PM At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ron Frost >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? Hi Ron, ? ? ? ???No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines either but are they not beautiful? ? ? ? ???Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a very fine smooth meal (flour). ? ? ? ???There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri May 21 13:04:16 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:04:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron. Thanks for the pictures, I was hoping to be able to go this year and take my Samson, but it was not to be. So your pictures are the next best thing to being there. Thanks, Steve > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:15:51 -0700 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures > > Hi all. > Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the > pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of > owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just > North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 > engines were displayed. > Enjoy. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Soaring 3000% > Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 13:19:04 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Frank and all SEL list members, I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. Would these pictures be of any help to you? Ralph Holt DeBary, FL. > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > >Message: 8 > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ron Frost > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri May 21 13:45:16 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Ralph; Contact me directly @ marinesurveys at msn.com I may be of some help in your bearing area, Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: rehot at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. > > Would these pictures be of any help to you? > > Ralph Holt > > DeBary, FL. > > > > > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Message: 8 > > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Ron Frost > > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > Jerry Evans > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 13:47:26 2010 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I for one would love to see them Ralph. I didn't realize you were on this list. I don't post much either. My one and only is a? Montgomery Wards Sattley 1-1/2 HP and doesn't allow me much air time here. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Ralph Holt wrote: From: Ralph Holt Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:19 PM Hi Frank and all SEL list members, I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. Would these pictures be of any help to you? Ralph Holt DeBary, FL. > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > >Message: 8 > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ron Frost > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 21 14:23:27 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CA73386@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Steve, You could still go to the EDGE&TA National Show. June 24-27 Santa Margarita CA EDGE&TA National Show "Best of the West" show Hosted by Branches 27 & 3 Historic Santa Margarita Ranch Call Ben Ostini 805-423-4865 or jbo.aermotor at bigvalley.net or Nancy 559-240-0148 ms.johndeereonsafari at netzero.net There will probably be more California built engines at that show than at the California Gold Show. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Hi Ron. Thanks for the pictures, I was hoping to be able to go this year and take my Samson, but it was not to be. So your pictures are the next best thing to being there. Thanks, Steve This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Fri May 21 14:52:06 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:52:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100521190127.00c97e98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On May 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the > whole > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) Ken is the REAL expert. I've played with one, and have a little hands- on experience. I've described the function on my web page, http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html There are some other pictures of the unit in operation at, http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 We've tried using the roller mill for corn, but it didn't work out well. The flour would cake onto the rollers, making them bigger and bigger until everything jammed up and the belts would slip. Rob From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 14:53:54 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:53:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <569654.72487.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been in stealth mode Ron. I will send the pictures directly to you. Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:47:26 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > I for one would love to see them Ralph. I didn't realize you were on this list. I don't post much either. My one and only is a Montgomery Wards Sattley 1-1/2 HP and doesn't allow me much air time here. > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Ralph Holt wrote: > > From: Ralph Holt > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:19 PM > > > Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > On your question, I have some pictures of a water wheel grist mill in Norris, TN. that shows the gears and works and stuff. The gears and teeth are wood. > > Would these pictures be of any help to you? > > Ralph Holt > > DeBary, FL. > > > > > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:02:51 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Jerry, those machines were really neat, I have a set of stones & would love > > > > any list members to comment on how one would set them up. > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:11:13 +0200 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > At 06:00 PM 21/05/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Message: 8 > > > >Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Ron Frost > > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > >To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >Message-ID: <973457.95379.qm at web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > >Jerry, At the risk of sounding stupid, What is a roller mill's product? > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > No, you do not sound stupid. I'm no expert on those machines > > > either but are they not beautiful? > > > > > > Basically a Roller Mill crushes and grinds wheat (and other grains > > > like corn) to make meal. I'm not too sure if stone or burr mills were then > > > used to get a finer meal (flour). The really old water wheel powered mills > > > had two counter rotating stone discs (wheels) which ground wheat into a > > > very fine smooth meal (flour). > > > > > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the whole > > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > > Jerry Evans > > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From edurand at mchsi.com Fri May 21 16:15:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. ......................snippety snip.......................... > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 15:33:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:33:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: <000001caf817$8f5ec750$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. I suggested Ronaldson would be a good name for the bub but I don't think I will get away with that one ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri May 21 16:05:19 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I haven't seen one either. How about a couple pictures, Ralph? Photobucket or Webshots free phote sharing. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 7:15 PM Ralph: I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids.? :-) I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >? Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. ......................snippety snip.......................... > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > >? > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 16:08:01 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:08:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't know much about railcars either just have this engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to identify it and it seemed like no one had ever seen one like it before either. I have been told that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod bearings and they look a bit like replaceable inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell down to the brass, the other one looks good. Ralph Holt > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > Ralph: > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > ......................snippety snip.......................... > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From edurand at mchsi.com Fri May 21 17:26:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:26:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I'm sure someone here can lead you to a reputable shop that can rebabitt the rod for your engine. All you need to do is send the rod & cap with the shim pack you want and tell them the width and diameter of the journal. All that is left is to apply money and time and your engine will be running. How about pix? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 06:08 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It > is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't > know much about railcars either just have this > engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to > it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what > it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to > identify it and it seemed like no one had ever > seen one like it before either. I have been told > that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The > number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but > this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. > > > > I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 > not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod > bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and > mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame > just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod > bearings and they look a bit like replaceable > inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell > down to the brass, the other one looks good. > > Ralph Holt > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > Ralph: > > > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle > railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on > steroids. :-) > > > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > ......................snippety > snip.......................... > > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat > and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?oci d=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 16:27:21 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:27:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <13466.7869.qm@web111717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I've never used one of those photo sharing services but I will see if I can figure it out and will post it when I do. Thanks, Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:05:19 -0700 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > I haven't seen one either. > How about a couple pictures, Ralph? > Photobucket or Webshots free phote sharing. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 7:15 PM > > > Ralph: > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on steroids. :-) > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > ......................snippety snip.......................... > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From ddotto at cableone.net Fri May 21 17:20:55 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:20:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures In-Reply-To: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100520.231647.1009.123294@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <57E2ABF75362405B821E1784A6C9F904@shop> Great pics Ron! Thanks, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:16 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] California Gold show pictures Hi all. Here are some pictures taken at the 2010 California Gold show. Just the pictures for now, captions to follow as I have time and check spelling of owners names. The show was at Ken McCrary's ranch in Davenport CA. just North of Santa Cruz in the Redwoods. Featured engine was Union. 51 engines were displayed. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf62577918056738cst06vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5135 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5135 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5136 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5136 (20100521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 17:27:22 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:27:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thank you Elden, I'm working on those pics right now. It's not a very interesting engine with a lot of monkey motion like the hit and miss engines have but it's what it is. The problem with the bearings is they are replaceable bearings like automotive inserts but very beefy. The rod itself does not have the babbitt. I'm at a loss as to how to get this engine running without buying new bearings and the odds of finding these bearings I think would be slim to none, I hope I'm wrong though. I'm about to get the picture thing figured out so I hope to have them up soon. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:26:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > Ralph: > > I'm sure someone here can lead you to a reputable shop that can rebabitt the rod for your engine. All you need to do is send the rod & cap with the shim pack you want and tell them the width and diameter of the journal. All that is left is to apply money and time and your engine will be running. > > How about pix? > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 06:08 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > > > Yes, it is pretty large for a railcar engine. It > > is from a Sheffield rail car model 53. I don't > > know much about railcars either just have this > > engine that I picked up in 1971 and hung on to > > it. It took me over 30 yrs just to find out what > > it was as it has no ID plate or anything on it to > > identify it and it seemed like no one had ever > > seen one like it before either. I have been told > > that F-M railcars engines are a bit rare. The > > number 1 railcar here is a Fairmont I guess but > > this engine looks bigger than any of them I have seen. > > > > > > > > I told wrong about the HP it is listed as 8-13 > > not 8-14 HP. I'm hoping to get the worn rod > > bearing problem solved (crank looks good) and > > mount it on a Power King tractor rolling frame > > just for the fun of it. It has adjustable rod > > bearings and they look a bit like replaceable > > inserts but all the babbitt is gone on one shell > > down to the brass, the other one looks good. > > > > Ralph Holt > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:15:36 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > I suppose you could say that your F-M 2-cycle > > railcar engine is a bit like a Maytag "motor" on > > steroids. :-) > > > > > > I don't think I've ever seen an F-M railcar engine. > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 03:19 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > > > > > ......................snippety > > snip.......................... > > > > > > > I do have a Fairbanks Morse rail road motorcar > > > > engine with a steam condenser, 2 stroke, 8-14 HP, > > > > 4 3/4" bore X 4 3/4" stroke with 24" flywheels > > > > that I'm trying to restore. What I'm going to do > > > > about the worn rod bearing has me stumped right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know how much everyone here just loves a nice > > > > stinky 2 stroke engine. :) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > __________________________________________________ > > _______________ > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat > > and e-mail from your inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?oci > d=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:52:11 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:52:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register May 2010 Message-ID: I have been a little busy but the work on the register never ends. I have updated the totals on the register on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austral%20history.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 18:32:35 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:32:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the picture thing. This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, still learning how to drive this car. Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. Ralph http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 21 18:50:21 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:50:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100521215021.I0KW8.6593669.root@mp19> > > The problem with the bearings is they are replaceable bearings like automotive inserts but very beefy. The rod itself does not have the babbitt. I'm at a loss as to how to get this engine running without buying new bearings and the odds of finding these bearings I think would be slim to none, I hope I'm wrong though. > For many years the babbitt man in our area was Adam Loupe. He retired from an automitive machine shop and bought the babbitting equipment when he left, considered obsolete by the shop. When I met him he was in his late 80's and still doing work. A customer came into my shop and saw my hobby table with the babbet rods I had poured. He told me he had an import Diesel tractor that developed a knock, no parts available. Someone told him to go see Mr. Loupe. After looking it over Mr. Loupe told him to get the crank gound until it cleared and leave the bearings with hm. He rebabbitted the bearings and machined them to fit the crank. Last I heard the tractor was still running fine. I rebored a tractor block for a club member, he said he was going to have the babbitt re done. I asked who was going to do it, he said Mr. Loupe, he was 95 at the time. I wish I could have managed to spend some time working with him. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 21 19:25:31 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:25:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <20100521215021.I0KW8.6593669.root@mp19> Message-ID: <20100521222531.RPG7U.6594826.root@mp19> When the local sugar mill was still open I would stop in the machine shop while out road testing vehicles. It was always interesting to see what they were repairing. The shafts for the mill rollers were probably 16"-18", brass bearings with babbit liners. The welder had babbitt wire that looked like solder, he would tin the worn bearings with acid core solder and build up with babbitt, much like soldering. They would then mount the bearings on the table of a large Cincinatti mill and bore them. J.B. From kosh at ncweb.com Fri May 21 19:26:50 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> I just posted a video of one of these beasts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs Dave Merchant At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the >picture thing. > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, >still learning how to drive this car. > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > >Ralph > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > >_________________________________________________________________ >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri May 21 19:39:35 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:39:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Message-ID: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> I finally had time to put captions on the California Gold show. No new pictures just information. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf7441157f1a558b35st03vuc From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 21 20:03:28 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:03:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Very nice Ron. Thanks for the photos and info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I finally had time to put captions on the California Gold show. No new pictures just information. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell From rehot at msn.com Fri May 21 21:45:25 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 00:45:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> References: , , <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this David. This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? Ralph > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > Dave Merchant > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > >picture thing. > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri May 21 23:53:12 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:53:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] It Lives! Message-ID: I finally had some time to devote to my 1916 4hp R&V CR. I pulled the 'money-motion' Wizard bracket off, checked and cleaned it, filed the points flat and put it back on the engine. The pushrod return spring was a bit weak so I shortened it a bit, poured some fuel down the priming cup, and it fired first pull! I still have to rebuild the fuel system and fit the new muffler but it is good to have another R&V running. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From kosh at ncweb.com Sat May 22 00:20:16 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> Went to the stills, it's an F-M. Dave Merchant At 12:45 AM 5/22/2010, you wrote: > > >Thanks for posting this David. > > > >This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked >suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. > > > >The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? > > > >Ralph > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > > >picture thing. > > > > > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGIN > ES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > > - Prof. Phil Jones > > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > > - School of Environmental Sciences > > - University of East Anglia > > - Norwich, UK > > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your >inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 07:20:44 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: Interesting engine! I agree that the rod needs to be rebabitted but the bore doesn't look too shabby for the engine to run. You might try to put it back together with the old rings and just a slight honing of the bore when you get the rod back and see how it runs. I'll bet it runs fine. I don't think the railroad folks cared much about their track crews living in all the smog and noise from the engine. It doesn't look like it had any kind of exhaust system at all - just blew it out the port. Good luck and thanks for sharing the phos. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 08:33 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > OK all interested, I think this is going to work, > my first try at the picture thing. ...............snip...................... From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 07:36:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: Thanks for the photos! One caution, though. For the sake of preserving these fine historical relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you ship as many as possible of them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few for safekeeping. I also think that others would be willing to undergo the hardship of saving them. The reason for our munificence is that the world would be very unhappy if you Californians are unheedful and they went into the Pacific when the "left coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. Please let me know which engines you will ship (prepaid) to the Redneck Riviera. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 09:40 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > I finally had time to put captions on the > California Gold show. No new > pictures just information. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat May 22 08:47:49 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:47:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Elden, GREED is never a pretty thing to watch!. Cya, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:37 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Ron: Thanks for the photos! One caution, though. For the sake of preserving these fine historical relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you ship as many as possible of them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few for safekeeping. I also think that others would be willing to undergo the hardship of saving them. The reason for our munificence is that the world would be very unhappy if you Californians are unheedful and they went into the Pacific when the "left coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. Please let me know which engines you will ship (prepaid) to the Redneck Riviera. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 09:40 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > I finally had time to put captions on the > California Gold show. No new > pictures just information. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2010# _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:15:44 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:15:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522183852.00d0bcd0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:57:56 -0400 >From: Ken Christison >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >Jerry, > >I think Rob can supply a first person account on the operation of a >roller mill. > >Also one small correction, Jerry; most stone mills have a stationary >stone and >a rotating, or "runner" stone. > >Take care. > >Ken Thanks Ken, As mentioned, I'm no expert and you have set me straight on this one. I appreciate learning and that's just another reason why these lists are so enjoyable. May I ask a question? Is the "grain" fed in at the centre of the stones (somehow missing the shaft arrangement) and how does it make it's way to the outside of the stones to be collected. I know that it (the rotating stone) turns quite slowly so do not think that centrifugal force would come in to play too much or does it ? Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:24:05 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:24:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522191650.00d0ed40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 >From: Ralph Holt >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: > >Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > >I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post >because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that >doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. Hi Ralph, Welcome! These lists need participation to survive. I also do not have any "hit 'n miss" engines apart from my Maytag) (Shuddup Dave and Arnie :-)) but that does not mean that you cannot post messages. Hope to see you around more often. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 10:36:56 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:36:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com>, , , <5.2.0.9.0.20100521222600.0c0cdb80@ncweb.com>, <5.2.0.9.0.20100522031216.0c5df930@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave, would you happen to have any contact information for the gentleman who owns this motorcar? I would really like to talk with him about his engine and see if he knows of any parts sources. Thanks, Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:20:16 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Went to the stills, it's an F-M. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 12:45 AM 5/22/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > >Thanks for posting this David. > > > > > > > >This You Tube clip said 'Fairmont' but that engine running looked > >suspiciously like my Fairbanks Morse engine, head and all. > > > > > > > >The motorcar next to it was a Fairmont, hummm, I wonder?? > > > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:50 -0400 > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > I just posted a video of one of these beasts. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCEm3niSRs > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > > > > > > > > At 09:32 PM 5/21/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >OK all interested, I think this is going to work, my first try at the > > > >picture thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is all my pictures on this engine. I didn't mean to put them all in, > > > >still learning how to drive this car. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me know what you think about the rod bearings. > > > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGIN > > ES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > > kosh at nesys.com > > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > > http://www.nesys.org > > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > > > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > > > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > > > - Prof. Phil Jones > > > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > > > - School of Environmental Sciences > > > - University of East Anglia > > > - Norwich, UK > > > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > >inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:50:35 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:50:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522192529.00d0fac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:52:06 -0700 >From: Rob Skinner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. >To: The SEL email discussion list > >On May 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > There are many guys on this list far more clued up than me on the > > subject - how about a few explanations - it's not "Off Topic" if the > > whole > > thing was powered by an internal combustion engine :-) > > >Ken is the REAL expert. I've played with one, and have a little hands- >on experience. I've described the function on my web page, >http://engines.rustyiron.com/stable/greatwesternrollermill.html > There are some other pictures of the unit in operation at, > http://engines.rustyiron.com/losalamitos06 > >We've tried using the roller mill for corn, but it didn't work out >well. The flour would cake onto the rollers, making them bigger and >bigger until everything jammed up and the belts would slip. > >Rob Hi Rob, Yes, we know that Ken is the expert but your page is really great - thanks for going to the trouble. I learnt a lot from it and it answered a lot of questions for me. I always wondered about the "fine stuff" (flour). That was/is more profitable than the "coarse stuff" (hog feed). How do you increase the amount of profitable flour through a "roller mill" - easy answer (from your page) - put it through the mill again and again until the percentage of "fines" has reached an acceptable level. So simple - why did I not realise that before? The original mill house you describe is multi level (as was the one I originally posted about) and now I understand why they were built this way. Take raw grain to the top and reap the profits at the bottom! Thanks mate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 22 10:58:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:58:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT Company for Petra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522195147.00cf0410@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:33:28 +1000 >From: Patrick Livingstone >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Company for Petra > >Thanks to everyone for their good wishes. >I suggested Ronaldson would be a good name for the bub but I don't think I >will get away with that one ;) > >Patrick M Livingstone Hi Patrick, Good try !!!! Maybe if it's a girl you could try "Roseberry" (an "r" added) - just a thought! :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From christison at coastalnet.com Sat May 22 12:01:29 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:01:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Burr mill info Message-ID: <4BF82A09.2070208@coastalnet.com> I keep getting the following message: "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed" Not sure if it is going through, or not. Sorry if it did. Ken Hi Jerry, The grain is fed in through the center of the stationary stone and is augered in by a worm on the shaft. The stones are dressed so the center portion has fairly deep grooves and tapers out to nothing at the outer edge of the stone. Centrifugal force carries the grain towards the rim and it gradually gets ground down. There are small "paddles" at the rim end of the runner stone that carry the ground material to the spout that usually runs into a sifter/shaker that further separates the ground grain. The stones on the smaller mills that most of us have will run from 500RPM for the 30 inch up to 1000RPM for the 12 inch stones, so yes, centrifugal force is part of the process. Take care. Ken From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 12:28:38 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:28:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hello Elden, Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning the piston and rings up, just light honing of the cylinder and put it back together. The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can get it freed up without breaking it. The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on this engine because it has what is very much like automotive inserts of brass that will come out of the rod and they are held in place to keep them from spinning via pins. The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) and says number per car (1.) Part number: MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or removed to adjust the fit on the crank. The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it and also so does the insert (bushing.) Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe that can be put on instead then the exhaust can be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I guess that option is a little better than the way it is now. At least I think I should be able to make some new friends with the Maytag folks. :) Thank you for your input. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:20:44 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Ralph: > > Interesting engine! I agree that the rod needs to be rebabitted but the bore doesn't look too shabby for the engine to run. You might try to put it back together with the old rings and just a slight honing of the bore when you get the rod back and see how it runs. > > I'll bet it runs fine. > > I don't think the railroad folks cared much about their track crews living in all the smog and noise from the engine. It doesn't look like it had any kind of exhaust system at all - just blew it out the port. > > Good luck and thanks for sharing the phos. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 08:33 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > OK all interested, I think this is going to work, > > my first try at the picture thing. > > ...............snip...................... > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 12:40:18 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:40:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100522191650.00d0ed40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Thank you for the welcome Jerry. I'll work on keeping the mosquitoes under control in the US and you do the same in SA. :) Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:24:05 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > > At 06:00 PM 22/05/2010, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:19:04 -0400 > >From: Ralph Holt > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Wow ! Quite a find. > >To: > > > >Hi Frank and all SEL list members, > > > >I have been a member here for a good while but this is my first post > >because I don't have any hit and miss engines to talk about but that > >doesn't stop me from loving them and from enjoying this group. > > > > Hi Ralph, > Welcome! These lists need participation to survive. I also do not > have any "hit 'n miss" engines apart from my Maytag) (Shuddup Dave and > Arnie :-)) but that does not mean that you cannot post messages. > > Hope to see you around more often. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 13:45:40 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:48 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > Elden, GREED is never a pretty thing to watch!. Cya, Jimmy > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of Elden DuRand > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > Ron: > > Thanks for the photos! > > One caution, though. For the sake of preserving > these fine historical > relics, I suggest that, as soon as possible, you > ship as many as possible of > them east. I would be agreeable to taking a few > for safekeeping. I also > think that others would be willing to undergo the > hardship of saving them. > > The reason for our munificence is that the world > would be very unhappy if > you Californians are unheedful and they went into > the Pacific when the "left > coast" breaks off and takes a dunk. > > Please let me know which engines you will ship > (prepaid) to the Redneck > Riviera. From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 13:50:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. Afterward, reaming gets them to size. Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very large variety of sizes. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Hello Elden, > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > cylinder and put it back together. > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > this engine because it has what is very much like > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > from spinning via pins. > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > guess that option is a little better than the way > it is now. > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > Thank you for your input. > > Ralph From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 13:36:58 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:36:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank too just the crank pin size maybe? Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on about how much it would cost to do? Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. Ralph > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > Ralph: > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very large variety of sizes. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > it is now. > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > Ralph > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat May 22 15:51:51 2010 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from the right brass. just my 02$ R Fink At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on >about how much it would cost to do? > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > >Ralph > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Ralph: > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > large variety of sizes. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more >from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rehot at msn.com Sat May 22 17:10:56 2010 From: rehot at msn.com (Ralph Holt) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:10:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> References: , , , <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. You can see them in the pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink If you scroll down a bit in the photos you will see the badly worn bearing shell that has most of the babbitt gone, I'm holding it in my hand. Ralph > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: nancydick at pennswoods.net > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from > the right brass. just my 02$ > R Fink > > > > > At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: > > >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this > >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my > >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank > >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > > > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on > >about how much it would cost to do? > > > > > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > > large variety of sizes. > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more > >from your inbox. > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 22 18:24:54 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:24:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ralph: I will leave it to others on the list to steer you to one of the shops that does that type of rebabbiting. The last time I had that done was in about 1971, when I had the rods and mains done for my American LaFrance monster sportscar. I believe Federal Mogul in Kansas City did them but I'll about bet that they are not doing that anymore. The cost shouldn't be prohibitive. Just make sure you have the crankpin diameter measured accurately, both diameter and width. Check the advertisers on Harry Matthews' website, Smokstak.com. If that doesn't work for you, let me know and I'll cast about. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 03:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could > be done on this type of rod, thanks for clearing > it up for me. I was thinking my only option would > be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > I take that the person who does this work would > not need the crank too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > Sorry for all the questions this is new territory > for me but I'm learning. > > > > Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a > ball park guess on about how much it would cost to do? > > > > Thank you Elden for all the good information, I > appreciate it very much. > > Ralph From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 22 17:35:36 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:35:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. Message-ID: <20100522.173556.962.202212@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Hi Elden. I think it is: He who dies, dies. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 "Elden DuRand" writes: > Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! > > After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf8788f59ff65914c1st04vuc From jbcast at charter.net Sat May 22 19:17:21 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:17:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100522221721.472ZH.6614142.root@mp06> ---- Ralph Holt wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. > > I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. > Heat the bearing and wipe with a damp cloth, the babbitt should wipe clean. Use the same procedure to tin the bearings with acid core solder, agian wiping with a damp cloth. Install the bearings in the rod, use some aluminum shims in the split. Drill a hole in an oak board to receive the piston pin, insert the piston pin in the small end of the rod, block the rod so it's paralell with the board. Center a piece of shaft 1/4" or so smaller than the crank pin in the big end, the shims should touch the shaft, rtv silicone can be used to seal the rod to the board, no need to wait for it to dry. Preheat the pin and the rod, pour full of babbitt. After it cools the bearing should split at the shims, remove the piece of shaft, reassemble. Have it bored to size if you don't have the equipment to do it. J.B. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 06:22:57 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:22:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. In-Reply-To: <20100522.173556.962.202212@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: I think that's true, too! :-) Remember, "Death is Mother Nature's subtle way of telling you that you should slow down." Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 07:36 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions are up for CA Gold. > > > Hi Elden. > I think it is: He who dies, dies. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:45:40 -0500 "Elden DuRand" > > writes: > > Yeah Jimmy. BUT it gets a person LOTS of stuff! > > > > After all, he who dies with the most stuff, wins. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun May 23 06:58:57 2010 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine In-Reply-To: References: <4bf8600d.c36cdc0a.2821.5001@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4bf934b5.c36cdc0a.2821.604d@mx.google.com> I see what you are saying. R Fink At 08:10 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Richard, > >The problem is, these bearing shells are brass with what I presume >to be a heavy overlay of babbitt on them. The babbitt is pretty much >gone on one of the shells and the crank pin has been running on the brass. > >I am needing to get this babbitt put back on again. > >You can see them in the pictures here: > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/108843557668119866536/FAIRBANKSMORSERRENGINES?authkey=Gv1sRgCOOj557l4vj6UA&feat=directlink > > > >If you scroll down a bit in the photos you will see the badly worn >bearing shell that has most of the babbitt gone, I'm holding it in my hand. > >Ralph > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:51:51 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: nancydick at pennswoods.net > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > I would try to find a good machinist and get a new one turned from > > the right brass. just my 02$ > > R Fink > > > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 5/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Oh ok, now I understand. I had no idea this could be done on this > > >type of rod, thanks for clearing it up for me. I was thinking my > > >only option would be to find a new set of the bearings somewhere. > > > > > >I take that the person who does this work would not need the crank > > >too just the crank pin size maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > >Sorry for all the questions this is new territory for me but I'm learning. > > > > > > > > > > > >Can you suggest anyone to do this and a maybe a ball park guess on > > >about how much it would cost to do? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you Elden for all the good information, I appreciate it very much. > > > > > >Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:50:33 -0500 > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > Ralph: > > > > > > > > When rebabbitting the thick shell "Insert" bearings, they are > > > mounted in the rod with the appropriate shim pack and then poured. > > > > > > > > Afterward, reaming gets them to size. > > > > > > > > Use some heat to try to loosen the stuck ring. Most times, if you > > > get the piston smoking hot (no hotter), the rings will pop out on > > > their own. If not, while still too hot to touch, dip the whole > > > works in your favorite penetrant or solvent and let it cool > > > overnight. Gentle prying should make it give up. > > > > > > > > If you break it - don't worry. There are folks out there (Otto > > > Gas Engine Company) who can supply single rings or sets in a very > > > large variety of sizes. > > > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Ralph Holt > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 02:29 PM > > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse RR Motorcar Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Elden, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I plan on doing as you said after cleaning > > > > > the piston and rings up, just light honing of the > > > > > cylinder and put it back together. > > > > > > > > > > The second ring is stuck tight, hopefully I can > > > > > get it freed up without breaking it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rebabitting of the rod is confusing to me on > > > > > this engine because it has what is very much like > > > > > automotive inserts of brass that will come out of > > > > > the rod and they are held in place to keep them > > > > > from spinning via pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The manual calls them a rod bushing (crank end) > > > > > and says number per car (1.) Part number: > > > > > MR419659 It also has shims that can be added or > > > > > removed to adjust the fit on the crank. > > > > > > > > > > The rod cap has a lot of lubrication holes in it > > > > > and also so does the insert (bushing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the exhaust just dumps out of the baffle > > > > > thing at the port on the bottom of the engine on > > > > > this one. The manual shows an optional flex pipe > > > > > that can be put on instead then the exhaust can > > > > > be routed out the side of the car, no muffler. I > > > > > guess that option is a little better than the way > > > > > it is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least I think I should be able to make some > > > > > new friends with the Maytag folks. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more > > >from your inbox. > > >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:W > LMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 12:12:28 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:12:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! Message-ID: Gang: For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 23 12:09:16 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100523150821.0b78cec0@ncweb.com> Excellent! The bidirectional running feature suggests a possible marine application. Dave Merchant At 03:12 PM 5/23/2010, you wrote: >Gang: > >For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish >Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > >Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 13:27:05 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:27:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100523150821.0b78cec0@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave: Yes - I figured that it would run in either direction and kind of wondered why it hadn't been used for boats. I guess that the McVicker engine production was short-lived and that during period no one tried to promote the design for marine use. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Merchant > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 02:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > > Excellent! > > The bidirectional running feature suggests a > possible marine application. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 03:12 PM 5/23/2010, you wrote: > >Gang: > > > >For those who have been following the project, > today The McVickerish > >Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > > > >Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube > video is now up. > > > >Take care - Elden > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of > adding in the real temps > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from > 1981 onwards) > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." > - Prof. Phil Jones > - Director, Climatic Research Unit > - School of Environmental Sciences > - University of East Anglia > - Norwich, UK > - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, > Malcolm Hughes > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From r7734g at hotmail.com Sun May 23 12:57:43 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:57:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden Congratulations on the first smoke. I have enjoyed following the progress on this engine as well as reading and watching the whole story on the Hvid. I appreciate the time you have taken to document your progress. I especially like seeing your solutions to making complex engine forms without castings. You are an inspiration for me. I have had some ideas and general plans for building up some other engine types so seeing your approach has given me new ideas as well as encouragement. I just need to retire so I can find more time to devote to the hobby. RonG > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:12:28 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > Gang: > > For those who have been following the project, today The McVickerish Engine ran (sort of) for the first time. > > Go to my website for the full story. A YouTube video is now up. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 23 14:23:53 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:23:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: I'm glad you enjoy my musings. That's the reason I do it. Being retired with lots of time really helps but this is something I've always wanted to do. As long as my mind and physical health lasts, I think I can keep busy designing and building unusual engine types. After I get the McVickerish engine debugged and reliable, I have an idea for a one valve 4-cycle engine. Until I can start drawing on it, I won't know if it will work. Anyway, thanks for your comments! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ron Gerlach > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 02:58 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] First Smoke for The McVickerish Engine! > > > > Elden > > > > Congratulations on the first smoke. I have > enjoyed following the progress on this engine as > well as reading and watching the whole story on > the Hvid. I appreciate the time you have taken > to document your progress. I especially like > seeing your solutions to making complex engine > forms without castings. You are an inspiration > for me. I have had some ideas and general plans > for building up some other engine types so seeing > your approach has given me new ideas as well as > encouragement. I just need to retire so I can > find more time to devote to the hobby. From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 23 16:23:20 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:23:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? regards Russell From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun May 23 21:31:44 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:31:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, Good to hear you have the Blackstone running again. I'm interested in how you plan to take the wobble out of the flywheel. Rupert On 5/23/2010 5:23 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to > tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it > runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side > shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was > due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft > seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the > gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side > flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice > big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the > one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a > different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2892 - Release Date: 05/23/10 12:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 24 03:44:27 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:44:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> References: <20100521.193936.5900.485816@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <4BFA0130.7060006@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <20100524104417.E0B1E3B41A7@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> G'day Rupert, mate I'm interested to know how I'm gonna get the wobble out also! :-) Pretty sure the crank has a slight bend so looks like I will be hunting advice on how other before me have straightend big shafts. A fellow club member some years back pulled a big bend out of a 6hp blackstone crank shaft with the flywheel still on; they used plenty of heat and a porter power. A very good result but something I have never had to do before. Russell At 02:31 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: >Hello Russel, > Good to hear you have the Blackstone running again. I'm > interested in >how you plan to take the wobble out of the flywheel. > >Rupert From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 24 06:22:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:22:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russell: Don't you just love that feeling when a long-silent engine comes back to life! Good on 'ya, mate. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 06:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone > > > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I > finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough > to fire it up. ..................snip.................... From gastzt at aol.com Mon May 24 06:03:11 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:03:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone Message-ID: <4b001.2603379a.392bd30f@aol.com> Stan here--- heck I had a bad wobble in an old Stover--- you know how I fixed it? I just let 'er wobble---- ! But it sure run good----LOL Stan Zettner Old Stovers!!!! you guys be careful out there! From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 24 09:49:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:23:20 +1000 >From: Russell Gilbert >Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <20100523232311.E221D30418C at gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp >blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to >tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it >runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side >shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was >due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft >seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the >gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side >flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice >big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the >one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a >different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? >regards Russell Well done Russell, No, you're right, not my forte, I know the Blackstone plates - beautiful but alas, cast not etched. I've often thought that someone with a bit of ingenuity should be able to reproduce a cast plate quite easily if they had an original to use as a "master". Casting is not a strong point of mine but surely, if you could borrow one it would be easy to take it to a sandcaster to make a mould? I've seen our local "non ferrous" casting guys making really complicated designs literally in minutes. I do realise that shrinkage comes into the equation but on something like a plate this is not important. The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. Try your Aussie mates and borrow a plate to make a casting from. If you need to add serial numbers and suchlike then take it to an engraver later or stamp them in. One thing I've found about engine people in South Africa is that most of them do not mind taking a piece off their engine and "lending" it to you to copy - I assume that this is the same elsewhere. I've seen "rocker arms" and other parts replicated in this way before. All for now, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 24 10:53:11 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 19:53:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that I NEEDED. WELL, it's mine now. I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). It's mine !! Signed,sealed and soon to be delivered. I'll restore an equivalent Horsepower (common engine - Wolseley WLB9 as Arnie suggested) and pay him a cash for what he paid for the Ruston. This will be quite a long term project due to the fact that I do not have unlimited funds to allocate to my hobby but it WILL happen. There are a quite a few missing parts but, fortunately, nothing too difficult. Will just need cash ! (Anyone needing to order any etched brass engine plates? Now would be a good time :-)) Here are two scanned pics that I did post earlier of the engine type. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From christison at coastalnet.com Mon May 24 11:06:16 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:06:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFAC018.6090907@coastalnet.com> Congratulations, Jerry!! Ain't life grand:-) Ken Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 24 11:25:39 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:25:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! Message-ID: <20100524.112632.22947.56298@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> Way to go Jerry. Looks like a really great engine. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Get Term Life Insurance Coverage levels: $250K, $500K, $1M. Cheap rates online, simple, fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bfac4fcaef1613387st06vuc From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon May 24 15:49:51 2010 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foundries Message-ID: Russell; I have had cast plates reproduced, but not from a conventional founder. There, results were unsatisfactory. I was told to search out an "Art Foundry"... and they did a great job. The proprietor told me that they used a fine grade of sand and that they were accustomed to detail. In fact, the stamped numbers etc. in the original plate reproduced so clearly that I didn't need to re-stamp. This particular "art foundry" typically cast stuff in brass and bronze, and to them, my job was "no big deal". With over-eager inspectors enforcing more restrictive government regulations, many of our small foundries are gone. The politicians talk about "creating new jobs" but it seems they are focused on "green"... and, of course, perpetuating their own lifestyle. Jim in Vermont > Well done Russell, > No, you're right, not my forte, I know the Blackstone plates - > beautiful but alas, cast not etched. > > I've often thought that someone with a bit of ingenuity should be > able to reproduce a cast plate quite easily if they had an original to use > as a "master". > > Casting is not a strong point of mine but surely, if you could > borrow one it would be easy to take it to a sandcaster to make a mould? > I've seen our local "non ferrous" casting guys making really complicated > designs literally in minutes. I do realise that shrinkage comes into the > equation but on something like a plate this is not important. > > The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched > fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've > just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not > anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of > the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had > also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been > anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and > were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. > > Try your Aussie mates and borrow a plate to make a casting from. > If you need to add serial numbers and suchlike then take it to an engraver > later or stamp them in. > > One thing I've found about engine people in South Africa is that > most of them do not mind taking a piece off their engine and "lending" it > to you to copy - I assume that this is the same elsewhere. I've seen > "rocker arms" and other parts replicated in this way before. > > All for now, > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > /listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 24 17:15:35 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:15:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I have one on order!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother > that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I > mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" > (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", > "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). > > It's mine !! Signed,sealed and soon to be delivered. I'll restore > an equivalent Horsepower (common engine - Wolseley WLB9 as Arnie > suggested) > and pay him a cash for what he paid for the Ruston. > > This will be quite a long term project due to the fact that I do > not have unlimited funds to allocate to my hobby but it WILL happen. > > There are a quite a few missing parts but, fortunately, nothing > too difficult. Will just need cash ! > > (Anyone needing to order any etched brass engine plates? Now would > be a good time :-)) > > Here are two scanned pics that I did post earlier of the engine > type. > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 24 18:13:09 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:13:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> > > The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched > fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've > just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not > anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of > the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had > also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been > anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and > were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. > Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes me want to try it. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 19:58:41 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:58:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20100523232311.E221D30418C@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Good stuff Russell. If you have no luck getting a name plate for your engine, talk to the 'Maltese Mafia' here in Sydney. I pulled the name plate off my Austral to get one cast for Kerry & I am sure we could get a Blackstone one cast off one of the many engines here in Sydney. On Blackstones it is usually the crank that is bent rather than the flywheel itself as the flywheels seem to be pretty sturdy. My 4hp is badly bent on the sideshaft side but should be fixable. All the best, Patrick On 24/5/10 9:23 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp > blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to > tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it > runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side > shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was > due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft > seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the > gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side > flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice > big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the > one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a > different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your bag? > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 20:00:17 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Gee Jerry, All you need is the boat to go with your new anchor ;) Just kidding, they are a real nice smooth running engine. It should keep you out of mischief for at least a week. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 24 20:29:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. On Mon, May 24, 2010 1:53 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > WOW ! LIFE'S GOOD ! I DUNNIT !!!!!! > > I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & > Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother that > I NEEDED. > > WELL, it's mine now. > > I've just put the phone down. We did a deal (a good deal). As I > mentioned previously, all he wanted was something that went "doef - doef" > (that's South African for something that goes "boom-boom", "shush-shush", > "bang-bang" or whatever your language preference). From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon May 24 20:45:19 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:45:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> References: <20100524211309.3TKC6.6729315.root@mp12> Message-ID: <4BFB47CF.6010804@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, I think JB is right. I use a similar mix to make cores. Rupert On 5/24/2010 7:13 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >> >> The guy who showed it to me made me hold some sand in my clenched >> fist and then inserted a nozzle into the sand and pumped in a gas (I've >> just forgotten what the gas was but it was a commonly available gas - not >> anything fancy) and within about a minute had a perfectly formed mould of >> the inside of my hand - fingerprints included. Obviously the "sand" had >> also had some kind of previous treatment but it could not have been >> anything too fancy as they had the stuff lying in a pile on the floor and >> were just picking it up with shovels to put into moulds. >> > Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes me want to try it. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2893 - Release Date: 05/24/10 00:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Mon May 24 20:49:52 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:49:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524181628.03221e78@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFB48E0.5030509@xplornet.com> Hello Russel, Guys, Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be an interesting project to try casting one. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 24 21:00:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:00:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <4BFB48E0.5030509@xplornet.com> Message-ID: Here are a couple on my site: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/blkstnbadge.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091506.JPG On 25/5/10 1:49 PM, "Rupert" wrote: > Hello Russel, Guys, > Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done > some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD > software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be > an interesting project to try casting one. > > Rupert Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 25 00:00:44 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:00:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone References: Message-ID: <064C266FE9864799BC075D2A8C94D9ED@regpc> Hey Patrick, you ARE sailing close to the wind with that sort of statement!!! Ya wanna be around for the birth of your child, HUSH YO MOUTH!! Ya just DONT upset 'those' folk! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone > Good stuff Russell. If you have no luck getting a name plate for your > engine, talk to the 'Maltese Mafia' here in Sydney. I pulled the name > plate > off my Austral to get one cast for Kerry & I am sure we could get a > Blackstone one cast off one of the many engines here in Sydney. > On Blackstones it is usually the crank that is bent rather than the > flywheel > itself as the flywheels seem to be pretty sturdy. My 4hp is badly bent on > the sideshaft side but should be fixable. > All the best, > Patrick > > > On 24/5/10 9:23 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > >> G'day all, although a long time between drinks; I finally got my 8hp >> blacky together yesturday. Well complete enough to fire it up. Had to >> tinker with the governor for quite bit to have it settle down but it >> runs. Was seized when I got it; but not the piston. Rather the side >> shaft. I bought it with both gears on the shaft smashed. This was >> due to some dill trying to turn the engine over with the shaft >> seized; it must have strong rocker arms as they didn't brake but the >> gears instead!! Still plenty to do, has a wobble in the pully side >> flywheel, still need to assemble fuel pump, cooling exhaust etc. Nice >> big engine how ever; anyone have a spare cast blacksone badge?? the >> one that goes on the barrel with the engine number on it? it's a >> different size to the plash guard badge. Jerry not sure if this is your >> bag? >> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue May 25 04:21:26 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100524192255.00d067b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>, <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: >From your brother!? Oh boy....... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ---------------------------------------- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > > I have one on order!!!! > > MR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Evans" > >> >> I mentioned recently, during discussions about Peter's Ruston & >> Hornsby 1XHR that there was a Ruston & Hornsby 1HR owned by my brother >> that >> I NEEDED. >> _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:29:57 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:29:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525181453.02bebcb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 15 >Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:26 +0000 >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > > >From your brother!? Oh boy....... > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Yes Luke, AND, we're still friends :-) Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:51:02 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Foundries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525183651.00cb77e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:49:51 -0400 >From: "Jim Hardman" >Subject: [SEL] Foundries > >Russell; > >I have had cast plates reproduced, but not from a conventional founder. >There, results were unsatisfactory. > >I was told to search out an "Art Foundry"... and they did a great job. The >proprietor told me that they used a fine grade of sand and that they were >accustomed to detail. In fact, the stamped numbers etc. in the original >plate reproduced so clearly that I didn't need to re-stamp. This particular >"art foundry" typically cast stuff in brass and bronze, and to them, my job >was "no big deal". > >With over-eager inspectors enforcing more restrictive government >regulations, many of our small foundries are gone. The politicians talk >about "creating new jobs" but it seems they are focused on "green"... and, >of course, perpetuating their own lifestyle. > >Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, You are right about "conventional founder" but I did mention a non ferrous founder. These guys often use the finer grade of "sand" and get really good detail. "Fingerprints" good enough? I'm only mentioning this because many members may not have art foundries nearby - non ferrous founders are all over the place. We also have an art foundry nearby but the owner is a paedophile (pedophile)so we do not support him :-( Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 09:55:51 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:55:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185125.02c00268@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:15:35 -0400 >From: "Mike Royster" >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <002801cafb9f$65f9c500$0201a8c0 at mikecomp> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I have one on order!!!! > >MR Thanks Mike, Not forgotten, just very busy with my daytime job. I've been through a rough time "business wise" for the last 18 months or so but just at the moment have a lot of work - that's why I can negotiate to buy a Ruston :-) keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:09:50 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:09:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185651.00cb04c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:13:09 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate > > > > > > > The guy who showed > >Jerry, that's probably sodium slicate, also know as water glass, the gas >would be CO2. I've read about it but haven't used i yet, your post makes >me want to try it. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA (90 miles north of the oil) Hi JB, I hope you do try it and let the rest of us know how it's done. The whole process looked so simple - once you had the master and the right equipment! They were making split moulds to be able to remove the casting but I did not pay too much attention to how they did this. Their moulds were re-useable unlike the iron founders I use who break the mould off the casting - at least for "one-off" jobs like we have made. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:14:56 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:14:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191056.00cb83b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:17 +1000 >From: Patrick Livingstone >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > >Gee Jerry, >All you need is the boat to go with your new anchor ;) >Just kidding, they are a real nice smooth running engine. It should keep you >out of mischief for at least a week. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html Hell Patrick, This aint a Maytag :-) - boat anchor - HRUMPH !! :-) Unfortunately, much more than a week !! Keep well, Jerry From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Tue May 25 10:21:52 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFC0730.1090007@xplornet.com> Thanks Patrick. Those pictures are great and should work fine to create a *.dxf file to use to make a pattern. What I need yet is a dimension to get the proper scale. The width or height and the thickness would be nice. And of course the time to work on it. Rupert On 5/24/2010 10:00 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Here are a couple on my site: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/blkstnbadge.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/03091506.JPG > > > On 25/5/10 1:49 PM, "Rupert" wrote: > >> Hello Russel, Guys, >> Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I have done >> some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD >> software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be >> an interesting project to try casting one. >> >> Rupert > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/24/10 12:26:00 > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:50:34 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:50:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191514.02c2e998@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Arnie Fero" >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: > <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. Hi Arnie, I dunno about the "YEE HAW" but a few good "Brandy & Cokes" did it for me !! Thanks for the wishes. Keep well, Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 10:52:59 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:52:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:45:19 -0600 >From: Rupert >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4BFB47CF.6010804 at xplornet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello Jerry, > I think JB is right. I use a similar mix to make cores. > >Rupert Hi Rupert, Please tell us more. Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 25 11:23:58 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:23:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:49:52 -0600 >From: Rupert >Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <4BFB48E0.5030509 at xplornet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello Russel, Guys, > Has anyone got a good closeup picture of a cast name plate? I > have done >some work making patterns using a picture as a background in my CAD >software. The patterns I have done turned out fairly well. It might be >an interesting project to try casting one. > >Rupert Hi again Rupert, The pic that Patrick linked to: should be good enough. What will you use to create the "Master" ? I'm pretty sure that most of the originals must have had some Pantograph work involved and with today's CNC machines it would be easy. The "hatch" pattern in the background could be done on a CNC machine but another method used was to cut the letters and outline (all the raised bits) from thin stock, polish all the machining marks out of them and then "fix" them to a background material (which could have been something like a fine wire mesh - think fly screen netting) and make an intermediate mould from that. Then more polishing with things like dentists drills and general cleaning and tidying up - it must have taken hours but they were craftsmen. If you would like to give it a try then I'd like to get involved as well (joint project) I could copy the plate the same way as I do for my etched plates (no modern computer fonts - redraw each letter the way it was originally. I also use a CAD programme and could send you a .dxf file to import. You take it from there. Think about it and let me know. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 25 11:11:22 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:11:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525191514.02c2e998@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: Hi Jerry, I owe you for one of your beautiful etched tags. Don't you need Ruston payment money????? Steve > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:50:34 +0200 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > > At 06:00 PM 25/05/2010, you wrote: > >Message: 10 > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] I dunnit, I dunnit, I dunnit - the Ruston is mine!! > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Message-ID: > > <0bc8b96ffe008107652a45ca4c75efce.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >I think that calls for a big YEE HAW!! Well done! Enjoy the project. > > Hi Arnie, > I dunno about the "YEE HAW" but a few good "Brandy & Cokes" did it > for me !! Thanks for the wishes. > > Keep well, > Jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 25 19:30:12 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:30:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525185651.00cb04c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: There's also what's called "Investment" or "Lost Wax" casting. This is used for artwork, gold teeth and things like turbine blades. Basically how it works is you make a mould of your part out of RTV rubber, plaster paris, etc, then make a cast of that using either beeswax or one of the modern materials. What you now have is a positive image of the part you want to reproduce. This wax image then has sprue holes attached (wax rods) so the metal will flow into the mold. The whole works is then repeatedly dipped into a slurry that, when dried and baked, can withstand the high temperature of the molten metal. At the time of the baking, the wax melts out. Pour metal into the matrix and, when cool, chip off the outer coating and, voila! New part virtually identical to the original. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:10 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 07:37:02 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:37:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195336.02c29ae0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFD320E.3090006@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, I've used the old hand method of making and engraving in the past. I use Autocad 2000 now to create the drawing in DXF format. Then import the DXF file into Sheetcam to get the Gcode, Notepad to edit the code (if necessary) and then load the code into Mach3 to control a CNC router table I built last year. In this case, I would load the image into Autocad and trace the outlines into different layers. I bought PhotoVcarve recently which I think will remove some steps as I think it will go directly from the image to outputting the Gcode. PhotoVcarve is new to me so I'm still learning it. I would use the CNC to cut several wood patterns and then mount them on a pattern board if there is any likelihood of more than one casting needed. I would then use the pattern board to make a sand mold using an oil base sand (petrobond). That is, if the casting is thick enough to use the sand casting method. Another way is to use investment casting to cast the plates. Investment casting works better if the part is too thin for sand casting. Do you have a dimension or two to get the size right? Rupert Ps. I will put up a web page on the sand/sodium silicate process as others have asked the same question. Remind me if I haven't made an announcement in a few days. On 5/25/2010 12:23 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi again Rupert, > The pic that Patrick linked to: > > should be good enough. > > What will you use to create the "Master" ? > > > If you would like to give it a try then I'd like to get involved > as well (joint project) I could copy the plate the same way as I do for my > etched plates (no modern computer fonts - redraw each letter the way it was > originally. I also use a CAD programme and could send you a .dxf file to > import. You take it from there. > > Think about it and let me know. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed May 26 13:03:05 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:03:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: I just put up several new pages of show pictures. Some are a couple years old. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/fremont07/fremont07.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale09/allendale2009.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port09/portland2009.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 26 13:20:40 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:20:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Thanks Luke I was needing some show pictures! How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 14:01:49 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:01:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Blackstone/cast engine plate In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, Making sodium silicate/sand cores is relatively a simile process once a core box has been made. Each core is different so how the core is made varies. The sand I use for cores is fairly coarse (about 80 grit size). There shouldn't be many fines as the sand needs to be porous for good venting. The sodium silicate is formulated special for foundry use. The SS I use is "Carsil 310" manufactured by Foresco. The additives help reduce the strength of the sodium silicate and make it solvable in water. Finer grit sands can be substituted to get a smoother finish but great attention must be given to venting. It's been awhile since I actually measure the quantities. I add enough SS (Carsil 310) to the sand and mix well to get a very stiff cookie dough texture. I fill the mold with the pattern in place with the mixture and pack it only hand tight making sure there are no voids i the sand. The pattern has to be placed taking note of the draft angles as for normal sand casting rules. The mold can be left sitting on the bench to absorb CO2 from the air or a shot of compressed CO2 can be injected into the mold as this point. The amount of injected CO2 depends on the size of the mold. An example, I recently made a core for the standard on a 3/4" bore vertical steam engine. That took about a 15 second shot of CO2 at 3-5 psi to set the sand/sodium silicate mix. The core can be used in a normal sand (green sand or petrobond) mold at this point to make a casting. I like to warm my cores at 250?F to make sure there is no moisture in the core prior to inserting the core in the mold. The next step is fill the mold with the metal of your choice, let sit until the metal has had time to harden. Sometimes it is better to let the metal cool in the sand mold before shaking it out. Shake out the casting and hopefuly you can admire a good casting ready for machining. In the case of the plaques or engine plate: I have poured plaques using only petrobond sand and green sand with good results. I think I would be inclined to use a petrobond molding sand for a one of plaque possibly using a thin layer of facing sand of finer grit size next to the pattern. Is this what you are looking for? Rupert On 5/25/2010 11:52 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Rupert, > Please tell us more. > Jerry > > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Wed May 26 16:00:27 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:00:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: castings (some are engine related) In-Reply-To: <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100525195152.02c27678@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BFD8C3D.8010805@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <4BFDA80B.5050902@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry and anyone else interested, I posted pictures of some of my castings at The cover plates are for an Gould Shapley & Nuir engine my son-in-law has. The dark one is an original. Rupert -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed May 26 19:35:50 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:35:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> engines and model t's!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Show Pictures I just put up several new pages of show pictures. Some are a couple years old. Hope you enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/fremont07/fremont07.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale09/allendale2009.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port09/portland2009.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 26 21:29:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Steve, I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen 2009 pages. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 26, 2010 4:20 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the > French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr > Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu May 27 03:31:07 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:31:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4BFE49EB.2080801@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve I was wondering about that engine too. I saw the pics of the Lorenz collecting being transported - it gave Jim plenty of ideas, by the way, for shipping Arnie's Bamford to him so as not to upset the woodophobes in US customs. As you know, I didn't make it to Nuenen this year, and photography is my role at engine shows, but the twins did take a few pics, including some of the latest models the Germanus guys had this year for sale. I shall think of somewhere to upload the pictures, when I have time. Dolly On 27/05/2010 05:29, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hey Steve, > > I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. > ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. > I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon > that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop > to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? > > In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen > 2009 pages. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 4:20 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > >> How about you guys on the list back from Neunen. Lets get those pics up, I know the >> French Bros were there, and Larry Anger, The Juffer family,Craig M, maybe even Dr >> Fero. Thanks in advance, Steve >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu May 27 04:16:11 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:16:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: , <009201cafd45$52861490$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: That year there was a model T club that was meeting in Grand Rapids, MI. I don't remember if it was a national deal or what. I know there were ALOT of them that rolled in and out all day long. There was easily over 100 of them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ---------------------------------------- > From: mr at carolina.rr.com > > engines and model t's!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale07/allendale2007.html > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 27 09:12:24 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:12:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:29:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > Hey Steve, > > I'm glad to hear you mention Nuenen. But I've got a question about Nuenen 2009. > ISTR a sweet little Germanus inverted that was to be delivered to YOUR engine shed. > I've seen the gaggle of Lorenzes that your brother had shipped back, so I reckon > that you're holding out on us. Whassup bro? Are you waiting for the Euro to drop > to the point that the seller pays YOU to take it off his hands? > > In case you don't remember this little gem, Dolly has pics of it up on her Nuenen > 2009 pages. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/nuenen09/58a.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From swebre at hotmail.com Thu May 27 09:17:22 2010 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:17:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 74, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve R! You bought a Germanus inverted last year? Seriously cool!!!! When do we get to see some shots? -Steve- From George_Best at adp.com Thu May 27 09:51:36 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: References: , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Steve, I've wondered what happened to the Germanus deal as there hasn't been any mention of it since last year at Nuenen. Assuming you haven't paid for it, you can look at the bright side in that the Euro is down compared to the dollar a year ago. Of course by next year who knows what the Euro/Dollar exchange will be. I'm just glad that the Euro is down now since I head to Italy this weekend. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 27 10:05:27 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:05:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: , , , , <65c2cf3793d56103299b58b38affd693.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, , <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3CDAF98D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, The bad part is I sold some nice engines to pay for this Inverted and now I have neither! Steve > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:51:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > > Steve, > > I've wondered what happened to the Germanus deal as there hasn't been any mention of it since last year at Nuenen. > > Assuming you haven't paid for it, you can look at the bright side in that the Euro is down compared to the dollar a year ago. Of course by next year who knows what the Euro/Dollar exchange will be. > > I'm just glad that the Euro is down now since I head to Italy this weekend. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:12 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show Pictures - Germanus? > > > Hi Arnie and Dolly, About the Germanus Inverted...... It'a a long story and I hate to drag the owners name through the mud but I might have to if he doesn't respond soon. It was supposed to be ready for Harry to pick up by last fall to go in the crates with the Lorenzes, but he said he was busy at work and would do it soon. Then it was to be ready for Neunen this year. Then he had bought a motorcycle and an Otto and had to get them ready for a show in Germany. Then it was e-mail me two weeks before Neunen and I'll let you know. So I did and never heard another word from him. Harry went by his display booth at Neunen 3 times but never saw him, HOWEVER.... Harry found an engine amazingly like mine at a display from France at Neunen and I have pictures and serial Numbers but no word from Thomas . It looks like he sold my engine to the guys from France, but I can't prove it! What can I do halfway around the world? Next year I go to Neunen ! Steve > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 27 12:56:28 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:56:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos Message-ID: The 45 shortish videos are all uploaded to YouTube, full list below. Total running time is about 30 minutes or so. Note that some sound is clipped by the camera due to peak noise in the locality, I'll try and get the captions done when I've processed the pictures for the websites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTEk1Tu-_w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TLG6_to1A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH6XxVBA1Ew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHkz9SQqs0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrp52Hi0v4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ot_G32skg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ENLgU5COY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MYn4HMVTGQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXznAD1zktU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzpl4VMxjk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK97IdGjkHY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvwmaj3tsmI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU85FuZkorc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvL7qK-hBXQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho98wawAs24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQuPKuYt-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHiwEooWVXI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tqs9buBaAA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQIU9MuRAk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Astdq1UnxGY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIilBsZCvM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xa3AkPPpQY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZdq3FKCbk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW36q1F4jVA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwFE_Nsi4k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cupYttn8upQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdFndG2_AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58DkoVatCs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNq4vqA6qOQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7-XwrRuNw0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiTGfzPKlsA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyvzTOSkgUg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSQLJaR4Wg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyQOHY-rc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd6AkGlQ7eM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdEfglDqrs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mPT-tcOn40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zevz2UtJZCA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efhpWVFf_3I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK6uYE-S3q0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZNr7BhR-M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyygvQD7zcc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJZQJzOS_Zw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZXxVg8usA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deD_rUP-8CI You can also find these by looking for videos under my username of 'listerdiesel'. Enjoy Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 27 18:49:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <969e1c03b1e542b75bda0a3d7b4f68a2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Are the first two in the list below your Ruston? A really liked the ones of all the light plants running at night. That's a pretty unique aspect of the European shows. We should do more of that over here. See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > The 45 shortish videos are all uploaded to YouTube, full list below. > Total running time is about 30 minutes or so. Note that some sound is > clipped by the camera due to peak noise in the locality, > > I'll try and get the captions done when I've processed the pictures > for the websites. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTEk1Tu-_w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TLG6_to1A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH6XxVBA1Ew > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHkz9SQqs0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrp52Hi0v4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ot_G32skg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ENLgU5COY From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri May 28 04:12:08 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Super Steam In-Reply-To: <65C5370C18844F85B26619A76C3A5309@kgwASUSi7> References: <65C5370C18844F85B26619A76C3A5309@kgwASUSi7> Message-ID: I caught that one too Gene. Was very very cool!! Showed Jay Leno with his Stanley Steamer, a White steam car, his huge stationary steam engine and boiler, walking beam steam engine, some locomotive stuff, and much more. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ________________________________ > From: GWaugh at wowway.com > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Super Steam > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:12:49 -0500 > > > History Channel , Modern Marvels, > tonight was about steam---"Super Steam". VERY interesting. > > > > Gene _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:05:48 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm or on the American server: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From gastzt at aol.com Fri May 28 14:21:01 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:21:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: <32440.4c8b536f.39318dbd@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/2010 4:09:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm Thanks for sharing these GREAT pictures! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas Old Stovers!!!! From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 29 11:33:49 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 29/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > >I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm > >or on the American server: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu2.htm > >I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that >there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Peter, I've just started looking at your pics. Your Ruston sure looks good on the trailer behind your car. I'm sure you must have had many admiring glances on the trip. I always enjoy the trip to shows because of all the interest shown by other motorists. Kids point, Dad's speed up and drive next to you to look, some even try to ask questions through the window. I'm not sure if you have caught up with your other list mail since Nuenen but the 1HR we discussed previously now belongs to me !!!! It's still in my friends shed and quite safe there. I'm going over tomorrow to take pics. I've also traced someone locally who has a restored 1XHR like yours as well as another scrapped 1XHR that he says I'm welcome to help myself to parts from. I can also use the parts from his restored engine to copy if needs be. How interchangeable are the 1HR and 1XHR parts? (As a reminder, here is the link to the pic of parts mine is missing: More later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 29 11:47:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 19:47:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 29 May 2010 19:33, Jerry Evans wrote: > ? ? ? ? It's still in my friends shed and quite safe there. I'm going over > tomorrow to take pics. I've also traced someone locally who has a restored > 1XHR like yours as well as another scrapped 1XHR that he says I'm welcome > to help myself to parts from. I can also use the parts from his restored > engine to copy if needs be. How interchangeable are the 1HR and 1XHR parts? > (As a reminder, here is the link to the pic of parts mine is missing: > > > ? ? ? ? More later. Hi Jerry: I seem to remember that your engine is a 1HR ? That's the 'tiddler' at 5hp, while the 1XHR, 1YHR and 1ZHR are all much larger engines, 8hp 10hp and 11hp, and almost everything is going to be different. Yours is oiler lubricated, the larger engines have pumps, for example, and most of the cambox and pump are different. I'll see if I have the books for the 1 series here. The 1YHR and 1ZHR are almost identical, only injection pressures are different to give the increased power. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 29 14:20:09 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:20:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for the Nuenen Show pictures. I just lost about an hour lookin' at 'em! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 29 13:22:24 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:22:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529221152.02a30140@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 29/05/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:05:48 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > >I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: >I will update the pages as we get more pictures processed. Note that >there is NO link between the main front page and this new section yet. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes Hi Again Peter, Wow, thank you, I've just finished looking. Really nice engines and pics. I'm soooooo jealous - I really have to go there one day. I always find it interesting to see how much the engines from a certain geographic area resemble each other. The French (and other European) engines are so different from the British and American engines I'm a Bernard (including Conord and Japy) fan. I've got a few Bernards and a Conord but have yet to come across a Japy in South Africa. Thanks again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 29 13:57:46 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:57:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100529202103.02a37328@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: On 29 May 2010 22:20, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Thanks for the Nuenen Show pictures. ?I just lost about an hour lookin' at 'em! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand There are 120 up there now on both sites, in 5 24-page menus. I'll do the last few tomorrow. The Trip Menu page has a link now to the new stuff, I'll update the Main pages also tomorrow. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 30 00:54:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:54:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 May 2010 22:05, Listerdiesel wrote: > I have started to upload the first menu pages for the Nuenen show: All are up and running, 138 pictures over 6 menu pages. The link from the main menu is not in place yet, but there is now a link from the Trip Menu page, which has its own icon at the top right of the main page. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm All menu pages have links to move between them as usual. Enjoy! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Sun May 30 02:54:57 2010 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:54:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures Message-ID: <4D031E687993453A992B1CA95DC29692@HOUSE> Thank you very much Peter for an excellent set of pictures with captions. Much appreciated, Teddy, Tasmania, Australia. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 30 07:03:20 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:03:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: Again, thanks for the photos. I've got to go along with Jerry that the Europeans had different ideas of engine layout than we colonials did on this side of the pond. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 02:55 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures > > > On 28 May 2010 22:05, Listerdiesel > wrote: > > I have started to upload the first menu pages > for the Nuenen show: > > All are up and running, 138 pictures over 6 menu > pages. The link from > the main menu is not in place yet, but there is > now a link from the > Trip Menu page, which has its own icon at the top > right of the main > page. > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2010/Nuen en2010Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2010/Nuenen2010Menu1.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 30 06:58:17 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:58:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010 Show Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 May 2010 15:03, Elden DuRand wrote: > Peter: > > Again, thanks for the photos. ?I've got to go along with Jerry that the Europeans had different ideas of engine layout than we colonials did on this side of the pond. > > Take care - Elden I think that the Europeans had a better-developed carburettor industry in the early years, and that pushed us along the throttle-governed path, but as far as general engine design goes, I think we are probably about equal. Diesels feature a lot more in Europe than the USA, something that still holds today. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 31 05:14:43 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:14:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List Message-ID: I have added some images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 07:39:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual Message-ID: Hi Folks, My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 31 08:02:14 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 08:02:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> On May 31, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of water come rainy season. Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 31 08:42:57 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:42:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Well Rob, notice that was Mr. French running it on the other side of the pond. Who knows if we shall see it at a show or if it will run over here? After all, the famous Fero Compressor is due at Portland this year, the 9th anniversary of which it was presented to him!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: Cc: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Bamford OV Engine Manual > > On May 31, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. >> Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of water > come rainy season. > > Rob > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 31 09:59:58 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:59:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> <002201cb00d7$f1827b20$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <464028A7-38E0-45DB-8C44-A8D9C93C50BC@rustyiron.com> On May 31, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > Well Rob, notice that was Mr. French running it on the other side of > the > pond. Who knows if we shall see it at a show or if it will run over > here? > After all, the famous Fero Compressor is due at Portland this year, > the 9th > anniversary of which it was presented to him!!!! In Arnie's defense, those Fero compressors weren't even as good as that Pommy motor, and even the original owners couldn't even get them to run. Nevertheless, they should both make nice static displays next to someone's Maytag. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 31 10:18:29 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> WOW!!!!!!! When do you collect it? Dave On May 31, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon May 31 12:26:45 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283184.43410.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If they were selling nice engines like those in 1929 then what were they selling in 1915? I want one of each. 8>)) Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 8:14 AM I have added some images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 31 14:07:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie: Dont'cha just love it when the danged thing starts first try? Nice outfit. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 09:39 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 13:45:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> References: <78DFAD86-CB23-45E5-A007-6863A5C8B20A@me.com> Message-ID: <1b2b1afac58843edf169dcc3c0486f99.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Picked it up Thursday. I think you were still in Florida. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 31, 2010 1:18 pm, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW!!!!!!! When do you collect it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 31 13:47:15 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> References: <3777E5A1-A8A8-4F47-88AD-1C057492BC70@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rob. As big as the pump is, I really can't wait to see how much water she does slosh out. See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 31, 2010 11:02 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > That's a nice hunk of iron there, Arnie. You'll be moving a lot of > water come rainy season. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 31 14:14:29 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:14:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73D85AC9B9484CC29D6B8A4EA498D0E3@KerryPC> Beautiful Mate , great looking set up Kerry > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon May 31 15:37:13 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:37:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D764491-7808-48D0-8F1F-80DFEB75D85F@herculesengines.com> SWEEET! It just started pissing an pouring here, might come in handy. Keith On May 31, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > My Bamford / Millars pumping outfit is now on our side of the pond. > Here's some pictures and video of the outfit. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm > > Does anyone have a copy of a manual for the Bamford OV engine? > I'd be grateful for a copy or a scan of one. Thanks. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 31 16:23:46 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:23:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Manual In-Reply-To: <464028A7-38E0-45DB-8C44-A8D9C93C50BC@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100531192346.TF2ME.6901819.root@mp18> > > In Arnie's defense, those Fero compressors weren't even as good as > that Pommy motor, and even the original owners couldn't even get them > to run. Nevertheless, they should both make nice static displays next > to someone's Maytag. I heard the compressors are good, they just haven't got around to publishing the manuals yet. J.B. Castagnos From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 31 23:02:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:02:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1929 R-T Price List Message-ID: I have added some more images taken from the 1929 R-T Illustrated Price list to my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austcatrt_1929_2.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html