From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 1 09:21:11 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:21:11 GMT Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands Message-ID: <20100301.122111.9427.9@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi List, Anyone who gets the Farm and Dairy newspaper, from Ohio, there is a nice article written by Tom G. Downing (N.W. PA Steam Engine & Old Power Assc.) concerning the Tod engine project and Rick Rolands. He is also promoting their books on the subject. See Farm and Dairy, Thursday, Feb. 25th, 2010 I didn't look but it might be on line at: www.farmanddairy.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Drive like it was your kid (_o_) playing in the street. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=PLR2xANyvw6Njozk9OT2AAAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 2 12:42:22 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle> <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Mar 2 13:57:43 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George; you could always try more counter weight, like they do on cranes Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! > > George > > > Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 2 14:57:39 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:57:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle><6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 2 15:22:41 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:22:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle><6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002301caba5f$41b21610$0201a8c0@mikecomp> George, I did the same about 3 years ago and was the best $$$$ I spent in a long time. Loading, putting engines on carts, instant jack, you name it, what apowerful tool. Of course I got a good used one cause my brother raised me to pinch those pennies. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my > stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which > exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out > into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it > around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may > still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one > instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use > more than you have! > > George > > > Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, > and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 15:35:56 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:35:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Message-ID: I agree they are wonderful tools to have in the hobby. Don't know how I would manage without one. I have 4000 lb Yale and I've picked up 6000 lbs and moved it before Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mike Royster Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:22:41 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy George, ? I did the same about 3 years ago and was the best $$$$ I spent in a long time.? Loading, putting engines on carts, instant jack, you name it, what apowerful tool.? Of course I got a good used one cause my brother raised me to pinch those pennies. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my > stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which > exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out > into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it > around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may > still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one > instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use > more than you have! > > George > > > Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, > and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 2 15:38:46 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:38:46 -0000 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy >> From: George_Best at adp.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 >> Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy >> Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. >> For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several >> things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. >> I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers >> to move it around! >> Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a >> 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! >> George >> Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. > George; > you could always try more counter weight, like they do on cranes > Franklin S. Skinner On this subject, me and my friend visited Denmarks first Stationary Engine collector, Jens Lauritsen many years ago. As we arrived Jens was trying to move a large 12 HP horizontal engine in to the museum but the weight was so heavy that it tipped the tractor that he had attached a fork lift on the back of so the front wheels were off the ground! He asked us and we obliged to sit astride the engine to get the front wheels down so he could steer through the museum doorway. Happy memories! Dave Croft From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 2 16:35:21 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:35:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands References: <20100301.122111.9427.9@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <026001caba69$684c6550$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to pick up a copy tomorrow while I am out. I have been quite busy lately with the new Westinghouse engine project. I spent several hours today looking through engineering drawings and found the original foundation drawing for the engine, as well as about 200 more that were just too neat not to copy. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands > Hi List, > Anyone who gets the Farm and Dairy newspaper, from Ohio, there is a nice > article written by Tom G. Downing (N.W. PA Steam Engine & Old Power Assc.) > concerning the Tod engine project and Rick Rolands. He is also promoting > their books on the subject. > See Farm and Dairy, Thursday, Feb. 25th, 2010 > I didn't look but it might be on line at: www.farmanddairy.com > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ Drive like it was your kid > (_o_) playing in the street. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=PLR2xANyvw6Njozk9OT2AAAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 17:15:30 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:15:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <911374.31256.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 2 19:45:28 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:45:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <911374.31256.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They take the fun out of everything. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 02:52:28 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 02:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <769917.88099.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Back around 2004 to 2006 I had a warehouse job. There were five forklifts there, Two?electrics and three LP ones. Only the old green one was a real lifter. I loved it but the other guys all wanted the bigger and newer Clark. I set one load down and a guy tried to move it with the bigger Clark. He couldn't pick it up. ? I like the three levers for lift, tilt and shift forks instead of the one lever does it all ones. I am so happy we have a forklift like that where I work now. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:45 PM They take the fun out of everything. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 3 05:06:42 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:06:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September Message-ID: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Hi All I have been talking to Barry Tuller this evening my time about the R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant, Iowa. Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm If you plan to attend please get your registrations in ASAP so the Midwest Old Threshers Club can cater and so the Show Packs can be purchased. If you get in past the cut off date then you will not be guaranteed the Special R&V Show Merchandise that will be in the show packs. The letter from Barry and my web site have accommodation info, registration form, a letter explaining what is happening and a poster that you can hand around to your club members. I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. There may not ever be another large gathering of R&V engine in one place again for quite some time, so do not miss out. Remember we want you and your engines. We have the grand daughter and great grand sons of William Van Dervoort attending the show also. So come on guys and gals, book your vacation time, save up your gas money and be there. More info will be sent out as it comes to me from Barry. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 08:09:25 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September In-Reply-To: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <36265.65872.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My neighbor and I will be there with his R&V engines, some literature and his R & V oil can, a little treasure he got on eBay a few years back. Anyone who hasn't been to the Mt. Pleasant show really owes it to themselves to take it in. There are lots of steam engines and tractors in operation, lots of gas engines and a really good variety of permanent displays. Even if the show is rained out, there is so much to see in the museum buildings that you can spend a couple of days enjoying it. See you there, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Peter Lowe wrote: From: Peter Lowe Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September To: "Oldengine.org" , "ATIS" Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:06 AM Hi All I have been talking to Barry Tuller this evening my time about the R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant, Iowa. Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm If you plan to attend please get your registrations in ASAP so the Midwest Old Threshers Club can cater and so the Show Packs can be purchased. If you get in past the cut off date then you will not be guaranteed the Special R&V Show Merchandise that will be in the show packs. The letter from Barry and my web site have accommodation info, registration form, a letter explaining what is happening and a poster that you can hand around to your club members. I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. There may not ever be another large gathering of R&V engine in one place again for quite some time, so do not miss out. Remember we want you and your engines. We have the grand daughter and great grand sons of William Van Dervoort attending the show also. So come on guys and gals, book your vacation time, save up your gas money and be there. More info will be sent out as it comes to me from Barry. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 3 20:44:00 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:44:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September In-Reply-To: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> References: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'day Pete, I hope that you're gonna come over a couple of weeks early and do Baraboo and Portland before the big R&V shindig? It would be nuts to travel all that way for just one show. See ya, Arnie On Wed, March 3, 2010 8:06 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from > Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the > information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm > > I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would > very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 4 01:29:36 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:29:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September References: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: Planning Portland but time off work is a killer. I am mainly doing this for R&V research. Pete. > G'day Pete, > > I hope that you're gonna come over a couple of weeks early and do Baraboo > and > Portland before the big R&V shindig? It would be nuts to travel all that > way for > just one show. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, March 3, 2010 8:06 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a >> letter from >> Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the >> information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm >> >> I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show >> and I would >> very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 06:22:38 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? Wink From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 7 07:55:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:55:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > days....is the SEL down? > > Wink From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 7 06:57:35 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:57:35 EST Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <7a290.6aed60b4.38c518df@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/2010 9:32:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, winkandginger at aol.com writes: is the SEL down Not from here, just a very slow time of the year as it is warming up and most of the snow is gone. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 07:14:10 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:14:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the reply guys, i was about to get the shakes, thinking I had lost my SEL!! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden DuRand To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 7:55 am Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? Wink: Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > days....is the SEL down? > > Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 7 08:58:25 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:58:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6994F341-FA4E-43A5-8806-7B1C52B9664A@rustyiron.com> On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:22 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > > Wink Hey, Wink. Did you arrange with the boss to get time off to come up to Tulare? It's not far off. From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Mar 7 09:27:21 2010 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:27:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] just a test Message-ID: <6748A612FA2547A8BCED6360FCFDB31B@OwnerPC> Hi List Just a test. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 7 09:29:23 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:29:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 07/03/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? >Wink Hi Wink, Coming through fine here but very quiet. Why not spend the time getting that new tag on the Lambert? Keep well, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 7 09:36:18 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> Just relax pour a nice stiff adult beverage. Alls well with the list, GRINNNNNN. When the snow melts and yah can get in the yard to start clean it up engine things slow down. Sales do to. I'm already buying garden seed and getting ready to do the first spray of the fruit trees of the year. 6 Weeks to LeSueur Swap 10 weeks to Portland Swap Maytag Mark At 10:14 AM 3/7/2010, you wrote: > Thanks for the reply guys, i was about to get the shakes, thinking > I had lost my SEL!! > >Wink > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elden DuRand >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 7:55 am >Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? > > >Wink: > >Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > > days....is the SEL down? > > > > Wink > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2728 - Release Date: >03/07/10 07:34:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 7 10:06:01 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <2609B920-F478-40CA-A4F0-FBC3BD6E1027@rustyiron.com> On Mar 7, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Wink, > Coming through fine here but very quiet. Why not spend the > time > getting that new tag on the Lambert? Good idea, Wink! When you finally cave in and sell me the Lambert, I want it to have a nice tag on it. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 7 10:46:32 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:46:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <20100307.104733.13717.120428@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> This one made it to me Wink. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 winkandginger at aol.com writes: > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > > Wink ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=FfS2bRi6DDciAET2VtaBHwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From gibsongus at earthlink.net Sun Mar 7 21:04:34 2010 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:04:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Now see what you did you woke some guys up..... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Mar 7, 2010 6:22 AM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 21:27:10 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:27:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC8C97230781B4-1DFC-1F9B2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Well, Gus.....there must have been a lot of sleepers, 'cause there were a lot of reply's ........and the Lambert gets the new tag mounted this week......(thanks Jerry, you did an excellent job!). Wink -----Original Message----- From: Gus To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? Now see what you did you woke some guys up..... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Mar 7, 2010 6:22 AM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 8 07:00:41 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:00:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? Message-ID: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Anyone still getting messages through slick? -- Steve W. From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 8 07:18:32 2010 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:18:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Message-ID: <9FE80C8540C54F1084FC4ADBFBFB01F9@YOURDA6F5028CB> It say's it's disabled Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "Engine list" ; "ATIS LIST" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? > Anyone still getting messages through slick? > > -- > Steve W. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Frank at lbpinc.com Mon Mar 8 07:22:37 2010 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:22:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? In-Reply-To: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> Jim's in Florida at the Flywheelers and Zolfo and ???. He's been trying to fix things remotely, but I think it's not working. From Arnie Frank At 10:00 AM 3/8/2010, you wrote: >Anyone still getting messages through slick? > >-- >Steve W. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date: >03/08/10 02:34:00 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:47:15 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:47:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:50:46 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work Message-ID: OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... --------------------------- Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:57:21 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:57:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: none of your links work for me Tom Winland Ohio > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:47:15 +0000 > Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG > > > > > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG > > > > > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG > > > > > > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 8 07:54:11 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:54:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <059D4A8745CB4C05BC085AB859F1A556@laruecounty.courthouse> Luke, When I try to click on them it keeps telling me "page not found". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:47 AM To: Engine List; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 08:05:37 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:05:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: looks like a nelson bros carb > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 8 08:16:09 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:16:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got 'em to work this time Luke. Not sure what that baby is. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:47 AM To: Engine List; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 8 08:54:09 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:54:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F375ECE42@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday was the first day I got to seriously use my forklift. Moved several engines around in both the shop part and storage part of my pole barn. Was nice being able to move the big 12hp Ingeco SS into the shop area. Last time I moved the Ingeco we used pry bars and rollers just to get it unloaded from the trailer and moved against a wall in the barn. So much easier being able to just pick it up and move it over to the shop! The forklift handled it without any problem. Still need to move some more stuff around before I try lifting the big Kearney & Trecker 3B universal mill. It's right at the capacity of the forklift. Anyone want to buy a 2.5 ton milling machine for cheap? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 8 09:03:50 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:03:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? In-Reply-To: <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <4B952DF6.8000009@telenet.net> Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > Jim's in Florida at the Flywheelers and Zolfo and ???. He's been trying to fix > things remotely, but I think it's not working. > From Arnie > > Frank > Thanks Frank. -- Steve W. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 16:19:55 2010 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luke, Looking at Hit n Miss Enterprises web page on the part cross reference page. There is a Monmouth engine listing - Nelson brothers made engine with a part number P4 for mixer body. http://www.hitnmiss.com/partcros.html Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe something else. Ed Herreid > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 17:22:48 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:22:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F375ECE42@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <577848.34970.qm@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> YES, Just deliver it here?free. Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 11:54 AM Yesterday was the first day I got to seriously use my forklift.? Moved several engines around in both the shop part and storage part of my pole barn.? Was nice being able to move the big 12hp Ingeco SS into the shop area.? Last time I moved the Ingeco we used pry bars and rollers just to get it unloaded from the trailer and moved against a wall in the barn.? So much easier being able to just pick it up and move it over to the shop!? The forklift handled it without any problem. Still need to move some more stuff around before I try lifting the big Kearney & Trecker 3B universal mill.? It's right at the capacity of the forklift.? Anyone want to buy a 2.5 ton milling machine for cheap? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 9 04:28:41 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:28:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Ed, I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure what they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and spring under the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with the fuel pump check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope someone recognizes these things. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== > From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > > Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe something else. > > Ed Herreid > > > > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Mar 9 07:41:20 2010 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:41:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work References: , Message-ID: Hi Luke, I don't recognize any of them. The coil may have been oil filled and vented. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > Hi Ed, > > > > I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure what > they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and spring under > the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with the fuel pump > check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope someone recognizes > these things. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > =============================== > >> From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work >> >> >> >> Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe >> something else. >> >> Ed Herreid >> >> >> > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help >> > with ID's. >> > >> > >> > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and >> > there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. >> > Looks like casting numbers are 62379: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it >> > goes to?: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap >> > with spring underneath it for? >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring >> > underneath it for? >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > Luke Tonneberger >> > Rockford, Michigan >> > USA >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Mar 9 08:19:37 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:19:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4B967519.2080406@telenet.net> Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Ed, > > > > I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure > what they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and > spring under the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with > the fuel pump check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope > someone recognizes these things. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA The first one sort of looks like a pressure relief valve of some type. The spring items sort of look like open wire resistors. Do they connect to anything or are they a one piece spring? I also wonder if those were/are oil filled and that is some type of vent. -- Steve W. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 02:57:24 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:57:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem Message-ID: The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer but I have been doing a little work on the small R&Vs in spare moments. Tonight I spent some time on the BL 2hp. I have been working on it off and on for some time but keep getting discouraged as no matter what I did or what I made a head gasket out of it would blow almost immediately. When I first brought the engine home I replaced the ratty head that had been drilled, plugged and heavily brazed with an immaculate spare one I had on the shelf. Tonight I pulled out the original head, cleaned it up and put the valves back in it. The R&V started first pull and the head gasket is holding well with a few minutes running. Obviously the 'good' head is slightly warped and will need a little tidying up before I use it again but for now the R&V is running sweet. I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now for the other two... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 11 03:34:19 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:34:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem References: Message-ID: I only use annealed copper gaskets on those types of heads. Om my R&V the first gasket I made was from a heat resistance gasket material and first bang it blew out.. The original gasket on the engine was copper but it was damaged. So I made one from copper the same as the original and no more problems. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines > The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer > but > I have been doing a little work on the small R&Vs in spare moments. > Tonight I spent some time on the BL 2hp. > I have been working on it off and on for some time but keep getting > discouraged as no matter what I did or what I made a head gasket out of it > would blow almost immediately. > When I first brought the engine home I replaced the ratty head that had > been > drilled, plugged and heavily brazed with an immaculate spare one I had on > the shelf. Tonight I pulled out the original head, cleaned it up and put > the > valves back in it. The R&V started first pull and the head gasket is > holding > well with a few minutes running. Obviously the 'good' head is slightly > warped and will need a little tidying up before I use it again but for now > the R&V is running sweet. I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) > Now > for the other two... > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 11 04:26:38 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5851427375c0a97dd7c7166711674583.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Honeymoon project? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 11, 2010 5:57 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer but > I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now > for the other two... From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 11 05:20:59 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:20:59 EST Subject: [SEL] R&V problem Message-ID: <533d9.5c673f70.38ca483b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/11/2010 8:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now for the other two... Patrick, Always nice to solve a problem! Spring is here and I need to get some old engines fixed and running for upcoming shows. Thanks for giving me the incentive to get busy! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 11 07:33:30 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:33:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: I've also used solid copper. That gasket was made of 0.020" (0.508 mm) copper sheeting. As you, I annealed it and witness marked it so it could be at the same orientation upon re-installation. This gasket was made for my Homebrew Hvid engine (20:1 +,- compression ratio) and has never leaked despite being re-installed at least a dozen times during the debugging of the Hvid system. I'm not sure if it helped but I used a -very- thin coat of RTV gasket sealer each time and made sure all surfaces were scrupuously clean. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 05:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V problem > > > I only use annealed copper gaskets on those types > of heads. Om my R&V the > first gasket I made was from a heat resistance > gasket material and first > bang it blew out.. > The original gasket on the engine was copper but > it was damaged. So I made > one from copper the same as the original and no > more problems. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ rvpage.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Mar 11 11:54:07 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:54:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, The lists are very quiet at the moment so for those of you longing for something engine related to read, I've just updated the page which holds the archive of "Paraffinalia - the newsletter" and "Cape Vintage Engine". "Paraffinalia" was the newsletter written by Andy Selfe from the Western Cape, South Africa from August 2000 until the last edition in early 2005. "Cape Vintage Engine" is it's successor written by Phil Gray-Taylor and Gordon Riley also of the Western Cape, South Africa. There is also a link on the page to e-mail Phil should you wish to subscribe to their newsletter. It's free, comes out bi-monthly and they will not give your address to any filthy spammers :-) It's here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 11 12:12:42 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:12:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to the Tulare show in April. Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows this year or just enjoy it at home. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Mar 11 17:32:59 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:32:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__R=26V_problem?= Message-ID: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. Joe ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 19:55:58 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem In-Reply-To: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: From: avanti_64 at juno.com Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. Joe ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 12 01:14:13 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem In-Reply-To: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>, <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe; Devcon steel putty & also a product called "QuikSteel" ,steel reinforced epoxy putty, works on things like that. Both can be drilled & tapped, if you need too. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 08:30:18 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:30:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around with the 3hp Gade. Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a charge. Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my top five. I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run really nice. How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp one, but don't know if there are others. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to the Tulare show in April. Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows this year or just enjoy it at home. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From langer5 at xplornet.ca Fri Mar 12 09:31:16 2010 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (langer5 xplornet.ca) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Best, George wrote: > Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around > with the 3hp Gade. > > Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old > Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged > one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries > taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small > batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one > with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my > batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a > charge. > > Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to > smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the house. > Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that nice > exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > > It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to > least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my > top five. > > I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and > ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run really > nice. > > How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp > one, but don't know if there are others. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto: > sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! > > Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! > > Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole > barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are > accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to > the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new > forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! > > Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to > the Tulare show in April. > > Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the > plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows > this year or just enjoy it at home. > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 10:04:27 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:04:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list. It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at engines. It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the flywheel. Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. When the time comes to move to a smaller place and only have a few engines, that Lorenz will be one I'll keep. I have a later Lorenz of the same size, plus a 5hp Benz that are nice, but I'd sell them for the right offer. My 5hp Ceres is close to the top as well and it will probably be one of my keepers. So the Lorenz, Ceres, and Gade are likely keepers. Of course if I get my big engines (18hp Stover, 12hp Ingeco SS) running nice, they would be hard to part with although they take up a lot of space. Might have to find other storage for them when the time comes to move to a smaller place. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of langer5 xplornet.ca Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 12 11:46:28 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:46:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all of you great people in engine land, Seeing as that most people only read the first paragraph let me get the main question over and done with. I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and worthless to me. O.K. You guys who only read the first paragraph can hit the "Delete" key now as I'm going to explain the other part in the "Good stuff happens" subject of this mail. (And it could go on for a long time !!) I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of our engines came from Britain. I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my engine ? O.K. Guy's 'n Gals - that's all for tonight - gotta pour another one and get deeper into that box. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Mar 12 12:14:42 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:14:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>, <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve dale at kwikpolyllc.com > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 12:41:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <78a6cf382a528518e19ddc6f11d95acb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, Your Lorenz is, in fact, the second oldest one in the US. There are a total of nine older Lorenzes known; including two that are ignitor fired; and one of those is a runner. See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 1:04 pm, Best, George wrote: > My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list. It's an early one > and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this > for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet > running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at > engines. It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the > flywheel. Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 12 12:33:13 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2D6464D90F244C8097BCD3942C628A94@laruecounty.courthouse> Here's the web site you can order Kwik Poly from. http://www.kwikpolyllc.com/ Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve dale at kwikpolyllc.com From skipl130 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 12:44:33 2010 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <141622.75961.qm@web112419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hi George, i got a notice today that my iron trader subscription expired. i renewed for 2 years a couple weeks ago with paypal. check on this if you would.? thanks, skip --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:04 AM Larry, My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list.? It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it.? It's a sweet running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at engines.? It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the flywheel.? Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. When the time comes to move to a smaller place and only have a few engines, that Lorenz will be one I'll keep. I have a later Lorenz of the same size, plus a 5hp Benz that are nice, but I'd sell them for the right offer. My 5hp Ceres is close to the top as well and it will probably be one of my keepers. So the Lorenz, Ceres, and Gade are likely keepers.? Of course if I get my big engines (18hp Stover, 12hp Ingeco SS) running nice, they would be hard to part with although they take up a lot of space.? Might have to find other storage for them when the time comes to move to a smaller place. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of langer5 xplornet.ca Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Mar 12 13:00:48 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:00:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> George, I've got a 1-1/2 hp "baby" Gade - does that count? My brother and I plan on taking it along with a Domestic and a United, both air cooled also, to Tulare. Larry Evans At 08:30 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote: >Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around >with the 3hp Gade. > >Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old >Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged >one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries >taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small >batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one >with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my >batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a >charge. > >Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to >smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the >house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that >nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > >It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to >least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my >top five. > >I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and >ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run >really nice. > >How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp >one, but don't know if there are others. > >George Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 12 13:21:30 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:30 GMT Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Message-ID: <20100312.162130.16331.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jerry, I was going to say that mine was found on the end of the crankshaft but you already looked there. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Maybe not this year, but soon I think people will realize (_o_) that "Green" is a scam and things will get back to normal. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:46:28 +0200 Hi all of you great people in engine land, Seeing as that most people only read the first paragraph let me get the main question over and done with. I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and worthless to me. O.K. You guys who only read the first paragraph can hit the "Delete" key now as I'm going to explain the other part in the "Good stuff happens" subject of this mail. (And it could go on for a long time !!) I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of our engines came from Britain. I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my engine ? O.K. Guy's 'n Gals - that's all for tonight - gotta pour another one and get deeper into that box. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=grVCowLfxriyc_mMVMgEKwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 13:34:10 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:34:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure trove!! To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank shaft throws and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a look on your Witte. GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual S/N on your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the S/N from the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and if the engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, I think you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte CD engine to take a photo of the tag? There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte CD diesel". http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that parts are available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > worthless to me. > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > our engines came from Britain. > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > engine ? > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 13:45:38 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:45:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F37911482@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, Of course it counts, it's a Gade! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George, I've got a 1-1/2 hp "baby" Gade - does that count? My brother and I plan on taking it along with a Domestic and a United, both air cooled also, to Tulare. Larry Evans At 08:30 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote: >Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around >with the 3hp Gade. > >Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old >Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged >one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries >taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small >batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one >with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my >batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a >charge. > >Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to >smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the >house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that >nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > >It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to >least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my >top five. > >I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and >ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run >really nice. > >How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp >one, but don't know if there are others. > >George Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 13:48:54 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:48:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Great minds think alike! ;-) Since Jerry is the engine tag man I almost posted a message saying he should just pick his favorite number from the shipping documents and make his own tag! You beat me to it. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:34 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure trove!! To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank shaft throws and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a look on your Witte. GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual S/N on your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the S/N from the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and if the engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, I think you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte CD engine to take a photo of the tag? There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte CD diesel". http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that parts are available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > worthless to me. > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > our engines came from Britain. > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > engine ? > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 12 14:51:24 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:51:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Some guys have all the luck! Enjoy - - - AND have one for me! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 01:46 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 12 14:55:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:55:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Database Message-ID: Gang: Denis Basson, from Oz has compiled a Microsloth Excel database of Brons/Hvid engine manufacturers, brand names and horsepowers which I've posted on my Homebrew Hvid page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Homebrew%20Hvid/Homebrew_Hvid.html If you would like to take a look and see if you can add any information to the base, we'd be happy to rework the database. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 12 13:58:32 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:58:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> G'Day George Photo of the Gade? > it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet running > engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at > engines. The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) > It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie > has never confirmed this for me. Good to see you have a forklift to do the hard work Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 14:12:13 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:12:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <75ead0e5ed872a2eb4b74e4a455773de.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> George, The more that I think about Jerry's good fortune, the more likely it seems that the engine and the paperwork have been reunited. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!! I think Jerry should too. 8-)) It's just too sweet not to. See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 4:48 pm, Best, George wrote: > > Great minds think alike! ;-) > > Since Jerry is the engine tag man I almost posted a message saying he should just > pick his favorite number from the shipping documents and make his own tag! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 14:13:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:13:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> Message-ID: 8-P On Fri, March 12, 2010 4:58 pm, Kerry wrote: > The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he > has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work > for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell > you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 12 14:23:22 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:23:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B0E6D3E354B46BB9DDF77663B073093@KerryPC> G'Day Elden What a great page you have, well done I enjoyed looking at it again Kerry From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 12 14:39:48 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:39:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <689AC769-FF39-4CDF-AFAA-E4CB69A39E54@rustyiron.com> On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:31 AM, langer5 xplornet.ca wrote: > Where do you put your Lorenz on your list Larry, The only one who is allowed to put Lorenz engines on a list is Arnie. Where he puts the engines on the list, no one knows because it is a secret list that no one is allowed to see. From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Mar 12 17:19:19 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:19:19 GMT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem Message-ID: <20100312.201919.23722.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Yes, I used to sell Kwik Poly when Harold the guy that invented it was alive and Charlie Bryant used to live in Missouri and when he came to Maine he would bring me kits of it to save the shipping. Then Harold got sick, sold the company, Charlie moved back to Maine and the guy who bought KP started doing Internet sales and that was the end of the deal for me anyway. Now there is a new guy making and selling it who has a web site Kwik Poly LLC. The formula is the same as the old stuff. Yes it will work sealing a water tank. I sealed a seam leak on a Galloway hopper that had a small irritating drip. I couldn't shake the engine around so I just used more KP and dumped it in. It sealed it up as soon as it started to cure up. I bet it is still in there!!! Joe Kelley in Maine ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=VBXAgw6hjW-NFHaPYNw53QAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 12 20:13:09 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the time to browse through it. Just go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first installment. Take care. Ken From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 20:17:34 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:17:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Everybody! Thanks for all of the information about KwikPoly, both on and off list. I really appreciate it and will order some next week. I am working on a 10-20 Titan for a friend of ours. It is a fairly early one, 1917, and one of the things that needs attention in the water tank. The tank is in very good shape except for some pinholes in the bottom where it sat in the mounting brackets. I suppose that the webbing used to cushion the brackets held the moisture and helped rot it out. I am going to have to scab a piece of tin in on the bottom. I figure on tacking it in with the wirefeed and then soldering it. The KwikPoly will be used to slosh the tank when done and act as a sealer to seal any pinholes and protect the tin from the water. At least that is the plan. Lots of machine work on this tractor, they vibrate pretty good and as things get worn, they shake more violently. We are doing a lot of boring and making things oversize. I will share some photos once the project is further along. Again, thank you, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Steve Royster wrote: From: Steve Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwikpoly To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 2:14 PM Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve???dale at kwikpolyllc.com > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 13 02:54:16 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:54:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> Hey Kerry!!! Do you want something from Arnie, and that's why you are blaming his lax behaviour on me??? I haven't had ANYTHING from Arnie for YEARS to put on his website, not Yanks' Trip tales or Lorenz Registry stuff or ANYTHING. Which fortunately, gives me time to play on my bike! Dolly On 12/03/2010 21:58, Kerry wrote: > > The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he > has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work > for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell > you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Mar 13 04:35:10 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:35:10 GMT Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <20100313.073510.124.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Ken, nice reference material. I looked to see if Associated, Desjardins or Root and Vandervoort engines were listed, maybe later. Joe K ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 05:32:23 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <8557953d8f8700e863a00b3fc2857896.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ken, What a neat idea. Thanks for doing this. This is a great source of info! I'm really looking forward to this compilation growing over time. One thought struck me as I looked over this first list. If a bloke had one of each of these engines, he'd have a VERY impressive collection!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 11:13 pm, Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 13 05:33:43 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> Those are fantastic Ken. I can see that website being visited extensively when you get it completed. It will be almost as useful as Wendel's BYB at helping gain info on engines. I really appreciate your work on this. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the time to browse through it. Just go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first installment. Take care. Ken From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 06:08:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> References: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: Ken, It will certainly be a very useful resource for determining when certain engines first started to appear and when they were going out of business. I suspect that you'll also turn up engines that aren't in the BYB. See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 13, 2010 8:33 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Those are fantastic Ken. I can see that website being visited > extensively when you get it completed. It will be almost as useful as > Wendel's BYB at helping gain info on engines. I really appreciate your > work on this. > > >> I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements >> from early magazines ... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first >> installment. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 13 06:36:36 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:36:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <4015c.3f1c1381.38ccfcf4@aol.com> In a message dated 3/13/2010 9:11:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I suspect that you'll also turn up engines that aren't in the BYB. Arnie, I have already spotted one, Pennsylvania Machine Company. There is a Pennsylvania Iron Works in BRB/BYB, but no Pa. Machine Company. Neat old stuff! Thanks Ken! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Mar 13 06:57:13 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 9:57:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20100313145713.I21EV.357725.root@hrndva-web03-z02> Ken: Great idea! Very useful,informative and entertaining. I am surprised you were able to do this so fast too. I have a good friend that has been working on stories and registrys ofr years and just can't get them into "share mode" yet. He shall remain nameless though as I would never use a public medium to embarrass Arnie. MR ---- Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. > > Take care. > > Ken > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat Mar 13 07:07:07 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:07:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <4B9BAA1B.4070601@windstream.net> On 3/12/10 11:13 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. > GREAT stuff Ken... thanks for doing these and sharing! Mike From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 13 07:42:19 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:42:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <2c7e7.4690fea5.38cd0c5b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/13/2010 10:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: I have a good friend that has been working on stories and registrys ofr years Me thinks you are headed on the down hill side (pretty far down too) of a "good friend". Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 13 10:09:51 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:09:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi Everybody! > Thanks for all of the information about KwikPoly, both on and off > list. I really appreciate it and will order some next week. > I am working on a 10-20 Titan for a friend of ours. It is a fairly > early one, 1917, and one of the things that needs attention in the > water tank. The tank is in very good shape except for some pinholes > in the bottom where it sat in the mounting brackets. I suppose that > the webbing used to cushion the brackets held the moisture and > helped rot it out. I am going to have to scab a piece of tin in on > the bottom. I figure on tacking it in with the wirefeed and then > soldering it. The KwikPoly will be used to slosh the tank when done > and act as a sealer to seal any pinholes and protect the tin from > the water. At least that is the plan. > Lots of machine work on this tractor, they vibrate pretty good and > as things get worn, they shake more violently. We are doing a lot of > boring and making things oversize. I will share some photos once the > project is further along. Mister Joe, If you don't need the extra tin for structural integrity, you might want to try the KwikPoly by itself. Tape up the outside of the pinholes so the KP doesn't just leak out. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 13 14:06:04 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:06:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no./Progress In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Thanks for all the replies. Good News - I found the serial number and although not confirmed it looks more and more like the papers may belong to my engine. I should have read the docs before writing last night - on the front page of the "Parts Price List" it states - look for the serial no on the nameplate and under the crankcase cover. I took the cover and gasket off today and sure enough, there it was as clear as anything. No. 25751. (Unfortunately it was a bit early in the day for a celebratory B&C). I dated this from info on . I'm not sure if Tony Leonard is a list member but thanks for putting the info up. It appears that my engine was made between 1947 and 1949 (probably 1948). Now back to the documents. The "Packing List" does not contain a serial number but it does contain a "Job Number" as well as the date 26th January 1949. I've written to David Johnson (the Witte Guru on Smokstak) to see if he can help - I really do not know if David or Eagle Engines (Witte's successors) have any records going back that far but can only wait and see. If not, then as both Arnie and George suggested these documents BELONG TO MY ENGINE :-) I've updated the webpage here: and added a few pics (scroll down a bit to get to the update). As Arnie also suggested - has anyone got a pic of the brass nameplate that goes onto one of these engines - I need to find someone who can make me a decent replica :-) Many thanks once again for the replies and suggestions - they are all appreciated. I'll keep you updated as I learn more. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 11:34 PM 12/03/2010, you wrote: >Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure >trove!! > >To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial >number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. >On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank >shaft throws >and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a >look on >your Witte. > >GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual >S/N on >your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the >S/N from >the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and >if the >engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, >I think >you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. > >Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte >CD engine >to take a photo of the tag? > >There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte >CD diesel". >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 >http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg >http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 >http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk > >It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that >parts are >available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > > worthless to me. > > > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and > restore it. > > > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > > our engines came from Britain. > > > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > > engine ? > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 13 14:06:27 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:06:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] very OT - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <21A82C054B1F4D16BD5B9C44F3497433@KerryPC> Sorry Darling in involving you into the Data Drain Case but you have now cut off his only means of escape. The Villain has obtained a nuke powered Black Hole, it was started only to consume empty beer bottles and cans as an easy and secret way of getting rid of them without his wife having to carry them to the bin every week, then it started consuming his own data of his tripsetc but now is consuming data of other peoples freely donated information and next I am worried it will consume his engines before starting on ours. I think working with all those nuke things have turned him to the dark side and is now worse that the evil brother or heaven help us the evil maytag killing doctor. You maybe the only one that can save our friend by getting the lost data (if it ever ever existed) as working with those very dangerous nuke things will make him even worse. Worried Kerry PS. do you know what 8-P is? > Hey Kerry!!! > Do you want something from Arnie, and that's why you are blaming his lax > behaviour on me??? > I haven't had ANYTHING from Arnie for YEARS to put on his website, not > Yanks' Trip tales or Lorenz Registry stuff or ANYTHING. Which > fortunately, gives me time to play on my bike! > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 15:19:04 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:19:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no./Progress In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <54b9b8fbc5e0eb59ef6041628cbc4451.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhh, Jerry! Life is GOOD! See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 13, 2010 5:06 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Good News - I found the serial number and although not confirmed > it looks more and more like the papers may belong to my engine. > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 04:02:39 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:02:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping Message-ID: I have decided that I did not like the green that had been applied to my 2hp R&V sometime in the past so out comes the paint stripper: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4016.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4017.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4018.JPG Some of the original green has appeared on the flywheels but the rest of the engine is almost back to bare metal. I am 50/50 on whether to go for the bare metal look or to give the engine a nice paint job. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 14 05:17:12 2010 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:17:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. Message-ID: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: Fw: New Toy. The new Blackstone Toy ran today for the first time in about 40 years,have just put a quick video on utube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og5w6IHWW3E ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: New Toy. Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original cast iron transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation. Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts damewatt at bigpond.com.au (03) 87616332 Blackstone videos.. http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: IMG_0296 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 14 05:57:54 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:57:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping Message-ID: <429a.6b98d0de.38ce3752@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2010 7:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: so out comes the paint stripper Patrick, Looks like you had good success with the paint stripper. What kind did you use? Water soluble? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 07:53:00 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Google Logo Message-ID: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? Brilliant! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Mar 14 08:07:54 2010 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:07:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> Arnie, Can you recite the first 100 digits of Pi.... -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:53 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; slick at toltbbs.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Google Logo So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? Brilliant! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 14 08:48:09 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:48:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 04:53 PM 14/03/2010, Arnie Fero wrote: >So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? >Brilliant! Hi Arnie, It must be a localised Yankee thing - Google South Africa just has the normal logo and if we try to log on to Google.com it automatically redirects to Google.co.za which is a bummer as our Google can be incredibly slow. We can get to Google.co.uk and that has a Sheep for Mothers Day - must be an Aussie thing ?? Mothers Day here is in May. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 09:20:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> References: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> Message-ID: Nope. The first six is my limit... On Sun, March 14, 2010 11:07 am, Wayne Thackery wrote: > > Can you recite the first 100 digits of Pi.... > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 14 09:34:45 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:34:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. MR ---- Arnie Fero wrote: > So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? > Brilliant! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 14 09:46:09 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> Message-ID: <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Happy PI Day! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. > > MR > > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the >> day? >> Brilliant! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 14 11:06:39 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:06:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Message-ID: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Slice of Cherry Please. Mark At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: >Happy PI Day! > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; ; "The SEL email >discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. > > > > MR > > > > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: > >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the > >> day? > >> Brilliant! > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: >03/14/10 07:33:00 Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Mar 14 11:18:39 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:18:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01><04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <51D1BFD14FD94116996C34137E3AB019@D6R3D961> I tried to copy paste to this site, but the file is to large. I received a email back saying the administrator has to approve it and sorry I just finished the cherry pie Roger DiRuscio R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate #615513 Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: >>Happy PI Day! >> >>Rick >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: ; ; "The SEL email >>discussion list" >>Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo >> >> >> > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. >> > >> > MR >> > >> > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: >> >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the >> >> day? >> >> Brilliant! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: >>03/14/10 07:33:00 > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 > USA > 419.358.5206 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 14 12:22:10 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: Brian: Nice running engine. I love those curved spokes! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 07:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 14 12:24:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:24:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Kaintuck Speak: Thuh aruh uv a curcil is Pi R square. No, it ain't neither! Pi R round - CORN BREAD R square! Dumb hick! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 01:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: > >Happy PI Day! > > > >Rick From jbcast at charter.net Sun Mar 14 11:24:51 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:24:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20100314142451.04YRM.565343.root@mp14> ---- Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. > > Take care. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ Looks great Ken, keep us posted, will be looking for more. J.B.Castagnos From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Mar 14 12:27:52 2010 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:27:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4B9D38B8.9040201@rustic-engines.com> Oi, that would be a Kiwi "thing", Mr Springbox. :-P Cheers, Al Harris Autum Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jerry Evans wrote: > At 04:53 PM 14/03/2010, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? >> Brilliant! >> > Hi Arnie, > It must be a localised Yankee thing - Google South Africa just has > the normal logo and if we try to log on to Google.com it automatically > redirects to Google.co.za which is a bummer as our Google can be incredibly > slow. > > We can get to Google.co.uk and that has a Sheep for Mothers Day - > must be an Aussie thing ?? Mothers Day here is in May. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Mar 14 14:26:34 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:26:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More engine ads Message-ID: <4B9D548A.5030006@coastalnet.com> This is from Volume 8 of the American Blacksmith. '08 and '09 http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-8/ Take care. Ken From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun Mar 14 14:27:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: References: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>, Message-ID: Elden ; both r round in the deep south, its the brownies that r square ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:24:59 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > Kaintuck Speak: > > Thuh aruh uv a curcil is Pi R square. > > No, it ain't neither! > > Pi R round - CORN BREAD R square! > > Dumb hick! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 01:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > > > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: > > >Happy PI Day! > > > > > >Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 14 14:50:27 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:50:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20100314215027.2F0AE298053@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Nice Brian, same type as one of the blacky's at the bookham sale. Did I see the choke tube on your engine turning 90 degrees? Whats the go with that? I have only ever seen them in a vertical position. Russell At 11:17 PM 14/03/2010, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Watts >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:16 PM >Subject: Fw: New Toy. > > >The new Blackstone Toy ran today for the first time in about 40 >years,have just put a quick video on utube, >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og5w6IHWW3E > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Watts >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:26 AM >Subject: New Toy. > > >Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original >cast iron transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation. >Brian Watts >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >(03) 97266147 > >David Watts >damewatt at bigpond.com.au >(03) 87616332 > > Blackstone videos.. >http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts >The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: >IMG_0296 > >Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may >prevent sending or receiving certain types of file >attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how >attachments are handled. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 14 15:01:33 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:01:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there is a register and after doing due diligence we realise it's a load of hot air! How ever; for what it's worth; I have spoted a Lorenz on Harry's! Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal info etc and add another to the phantom list! http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/all Super size this add! Russell From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 15:39:08 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: HOLY CRAP Russell! WELL Spotted!! 8-))) I have a 3-4 Lorenz in the register for Clark Toleman, but I don't have the S/N or any pics. I've emailed him. Hopefully he'll reply. THANKS mate!! You are bloody amazing! See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 14, 2010 6:01 pm, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told > it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there > is a register and after doing due diligence we realize it's a load of hot air! > How ever; for what it's worth; I have spotted a Lorenz on Harry's! > Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal > info etc and add another to the phantom list! > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/all > Super size this ad! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 14 17:03:07 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:03:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9D548A.5030006@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: More great info Ken! I would bet as the years progress you find fewer and fewer companies. This is going to be a tremendous asset to us old iron fans. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS: You even got a couple of Hagan ads in there! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:27 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More engine ads This is from Volume 8 of the American Blacksmith. '08 and '09 http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-8/ Take care. Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/14/10 07:33:00 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 14 17:05:42 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> Yup, I know Clark well. He's a very busy guy though. Next time I'm at his place (not sure when that will be), I'll see if he still has the Lorenz. I think its now owned by Earl Snedegar. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there is a register and after doing due diligence we realise it's a load of hot air! How ever; for what it's worth; I have spoted a Lorenz on Harry's! Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal info etc and add another to the phantom list! http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/al l Super size this add! Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/14/10 07:33:00 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 07:56:02 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> References: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the smaller Lorenz. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:06 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz Yup, I know Clark well. He's a very busy guy though. Next time I'm at his place (not sure when that will be), I'll see if he still has the Lorenz. I think its now owned by Earl Snedegar. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 15 08:39:32 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:39:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> George, That photo was actually taken in Earl Snedegar's shop. That's why I think the engine is now owned by Earl. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the smaller Lorenz. George From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:53:23 2010 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293169.72141.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys,?? A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. no. 168734.?? He was wondering what year it was made.? Do any of you have that kind of info at hand? ??? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit.? Thanks, Bill wmlyoung at yahoo.com From winkandginger at aol.com Mon Mar 15 09:57:43 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:57:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: <293169.72141.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC9277C37EFB85-89A0-ED23@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: William Young To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 8:53 am Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M info Hi Guys, A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. no. 168734. He was wondering what year it was made. Do any of you have that kind of info at hand? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit. Thanks, Bill wmlyoung at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Bill, I'm sending you a full list of Fairbanks Morse serial no,s. You never can tell....he may find another treasure he can use this to identify it's birthday. Wink From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 10:30:45 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swapmeet In-Reply-To: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891FDD2@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I went to the WHEAT swap meet that was held in Turlock CA this weekend. It had been a few years since I've attended that swap meet, mostly because it is a 700 mile drive each way for me, plus it is a one day parking lot swap meet that wasn't all that big in the past. We got there Saturday afternoon for people setting up early and there was a fair amount of vendors setup and about the size that I remembered the swap meet as being. Unfortunately there was also a pretty good wind that really had a chilling effect on you. Went out that evening for dinner with a group of 8 collectors and had a nice visit. Sunday morning (official day of swap meet) we were out there before daylight and it had grown pretty good in size. Even mid morning there were vendors pulling in and setting up. Since we had a 700 mile return drive and I had to be a work this morning we had to leave by 11am. Next time I think I'll take a vacation day on Monday so we can stay into the afternoon and drive partway home that evening as there were a couple rows of late arriving vendors that I didn't even get to go down. It was definitely the biggest WHEAT swap meet I've seen and was really a good one with lots of goodies to buy if you had the money. Sunday morning I walked past a trailer that had a real nice 6' blade for a 3pt hitch. I've been looking locally for a rear blade for my tractor to make maintaining my gravel driveway easier. Bad part was we had driven my Chevy HHR to the swap meet rather than my pickup. The rear blade was too good of a deal to pass up and after borrowing a tape measure I decided that if we took the blade off the 3pt frame we could angle it and it would just fit inside the HHR! Took a couple packing attempts to get the 3pt blade inside the HHR along with our other purchases, plus all my W.A.I.T. booth stuff I'd brought along. Talk about loading a lot of stuff in that little HHR! Bet no other HHR owner has hauled a 3pt implement inside the cargo area! Had a great weekend, talked to hobby friends, bought a few things, plus the weather was nice and sunny on Sunday with no wind. Life is good. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 15 10:38:45 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:38:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F-M info Message-ID: <20100315.103944.13717.138954@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> 168326-224189 is 1916. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) William Young writes: > Hi Guys, A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, > ser. no. 168734. He was wondering what year it was made. Do any > of you have that kind of info at hand? > Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a > bit. Thanks, Bill > > wmlyoung at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=pzysgJURkVmrr1zobwqfgQAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 10:42:07 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:42:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891FE39@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I went to the WHEAT swap meet that was held in Turlock CA this weekend. It had been a few years since I've attended that swap meet, mostly because it is a 700 mile drive each way for me, plus it is a one day parking lot swap meet that wasn't all that big in the past. We got there Saturday afternoon for people setting up early and there was a fair amount of vendors setup and about the size that I remembered the swap meet as being. Unfortunately there was also a pretty good wind that really had a chilling effect on you. Went out that evening for dinner with a group of 8 collectors and had a nice visit. Sunday morning (official day of swap meet) we were out there before daylight and it had grown pretty good in size. Even mid morning there were vendors pulling in and setting up. Since we had a 700 mile return drive and I had to be a work this morning we had to leave by 11am. Next time I think I'll take a vacation day on Monday so we can stay into the afternoon and drive partway home that evening as there were a couple rows of late arriving vendors that I didn't even get to go down. It was definitely the biggest WHEAT swap meet I've seen and was really a good one with lots of goodies to buy if you had the money. Sunday morning I walked past a trailer that had a real nice 6' blade for a 3pt hitch. I've been looking locally for a rear blade for my tractor to make maintaining my gravel driveway easier. Bad part was we had driven my Chevy HHR to the swap meet rather than my pickup. The rear blade was too good of a deal to pass up and after borrowing a tape measure I decided that if we took the blade off the 3pt frame we could angle it and it would just fit inside the HHR! Took a couple packing attempts to get the 3pt blade inside the HHR along with our other purchases, plus all my W.A.I.T. booth stuff I'd brought along. Talk about loading a lot of stuff in that little HHR! Bet no other HHR owner has hauled a 3pt implement inside the cargo area! Had a great weekend, talked to hobby friends, bought a few things, plus the weather was nice and sunny on Sunday with no wind. Life is good. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 15 11:07:23 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:07:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More ads Message-ID: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ Take care. Ken From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Mar 15 11:08:12 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:08:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100315200255.00ce64d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 15/03/2010, you wrote: >Message: 19 >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M info >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <293169.72141.qm at web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Guys,?? A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. >no. 168734.?? He was wondering what year it was made.? Do any of you have >that kind of info at hand? >??? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit.? >Thanks, Bill > >wmlyoung at yahoo.com Hello Oom Bill-san, According to this page on Tony Kimmels site: it is 1916. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 15 13:32:15 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:32:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank: Oh! Figgers. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of frank > skinner > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 04:28 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > Elden ; > > > > both r round in the deep south, its the brownies > that r square ;-} From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 12:47:06 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:47:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ken, It's nice that you're doing this. Will you be adding an index page for the various magazine issues so we can locate them? If you're creating a reference website I would think some of us would be willing scan ads out of other publications and email them to you so you don't have to scan everything. But we'd need some way of knowing which magazines and which engines have already been scanned. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More ads These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ Take care. Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 15 13:20:43 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The phantom (no more) Lorenz(s) In-Reply-To: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> References: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: Thanks Tommy. I have both of Earl's Lorenz engines in the register along with a nice set of pics. I'll have to take a look at his shop pics and see if I can recognize it from the GS&M pic on Harry's. For info they are a 5-7 hp S/N 13495 and a 3-4 hp S/N 17219. See ya, Arnie On Mon, March 15, 2010 11:39 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > George, > That photo was actually taken in Earl Snedegar's shop. That's > why I think the engine is now owned by Earl. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz > > Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech > engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the > smaller Lorenz. > > George From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 15 13:54:24 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:54:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> Hi George, I do plan on making an index page, perhaps linking to individual pages of each company with ads from different years if the ads are indeed different. I am not scanning these. They are available for download at Google books. I am going through each volume, saving each page with ads in photoshop and then cropping out each ad from there. I have downloaded all the volumes of Gas Power, The American Blacksmith and Modern Machinery up to the '20s that are available as full view. There are several others that have come up when searching for specific engine names that I have downloaded, but I haven't gone through to see how much engine content is there. Perhaps after I have depleted what I have downloaded, folks can see what I have and will be able to see if they have anything new to add, and send to me to include. Thanks for suggesting this. Perhaps one of these days we can rival Alan King's work, with the advantage of easily printing out any one we care to. Take care. Ken Best, George wrote: > Ken, > > It's nice that you're doing this. > > Will you be adding an index page for the various magazine issues so we can locate them? > > If you're creating a reference website I would think some of us would be willing scan ads out of other publications and email them to you so you don't have to scan everything. But we'd need some way of knowing which magazines and which engines have already been scanned. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] More ads > > These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ > > Take care. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 14:27:59 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:27:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAFCD5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ken, Speaking of Alan King, I was looking at one of his ad books yesterday. The thing I didn't like about his book is that I didn't see a year with each ad. When I look at an ad I'd like to know what date it is from. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:54 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Thanks for suggesting this. Perhaps one of these days we can rival Alan King's work, with the advantage of easily printing out any one we care to. Take care. Ken This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:47:48 2010 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tnx for F-M info In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100315200255.00ce64d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <504756.94787.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> THANKS to all of you who responded to my call for help and? especially to Wink & Ginger who sent the complete list of S.N.s with mfg. dates. Arigato gozaimas & 73's.? Bill From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Mar 15 17:42:16 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:42:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alan C. King advertisement books Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi....... The Alan King books are a good resource for engine information but with 8 separate volumes, each with their own index they are sometimes a little tedious to use. About 20 years ago when I got my first computer (Apple IIe) I embarked on a project of making a combined and expanded index of the whole series in one volume. I did it primarily as an exercise in learning about computers and their software in general and specifically how to use the data base program. Besides just copying the original index from each volume my brother and I looked at each individual ad and made separate entries entries if there was an engine model name different from the manufacturer so the ads are cross referenced also. It ended up being about 25 pages long and the same size and shape at the King volumes. At that time we had some of them printed up and I still have a few left. If you have most or all of the books and I haven't sent you one in the past I would be glad to send you one. If you are interested contact me OFF LIST and we can work out the details. My email address is in my signature below. Larry Evans Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 19:44:31 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:44:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping In-Reply-To: <429a.6b98d0de.38ce3752@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It is a water soluble paint stripper. I paint it on, leave it 'till the paint starts to left and then hit it with the pressure washer. On 14/3/10 11:57 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/2010 7:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: > > so out comes the paint stripper > > > Patrick, > > > Looks like you had good success with the paint stripper. What kind did > you use? Water soluble? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ihcboggs at bright.net Tue Mar 16 10:04:09 2010 From: ihcboggs at bright.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers Message-ID: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Mar 16 10:46:27 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: Seat it with a punch & hammer Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: ihcboggs at bright.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Mar 16 11:51:19 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:51:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers Message-ID: <20100316.115207.962.55963@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> I braze a similar ball on the end of a round rod and lap it in with lapping compound Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" writes: > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a > engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat > correctly > ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=ifcu1UgjjJZWYhXsU5kJfQAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 16 12:50:58 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <8e4b85e4fc1db8e423f8dc5f6049ca9d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Another approach is to take a steel ball of the same size, attach it to a wooden dowel rod with JB Weld (or other adhesive), and lap the seat in with a little bit of valve grinding compound. When you secure the check ball in your oiler with a cross-pin, make sure that it is fairly close to the or the exhaust pulse might not have time to seat the ball. See ya, Arnie On Tue, March 16, 2010 1:46 pm, frank skinner wrote: > > Seat it with a punch & hammer >> From: ihcboggs at bright.net >> >> Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . >> oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 16 14:09:12 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:09:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> Beside the ball, that blows UP against the seat, and is retained by a wire pin, you need a vent tube from the drip sight area to above the oil level in the main oil chamber. An easier way is to put a vent pipe into the tube down to the cylinder and bring it to above the hopper water level. Any oil spray will help stop rust in the hopper. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine > cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 16 15:03:39 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:03:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: Why? Dave On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:04 PM, DeWayne & Casey Boggs wrote: > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a > engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat > correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 16 17:28:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:28:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: DeWayne: I have the same problem. I think the secret is to limit the movement of the ball and make the bore that the ball rides in a few thousandths bigger than the ball. There must be a science to it but I can't figger it out. Mine will do fine for a while then start blowing back. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of DeWayne & > Casey Boggs > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:04 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make > a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a > check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 16 20:31:12 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:31:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Damn Elden, Even I'm not going to touch that one! Dave On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > DeWayne: > > I have the same problem. Mine will do fine for a while then start > blowing back. > > Take care - Elden From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 16 21:16:55 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:16:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> Message-ID: <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner and can forward me his contact details. regards Russell From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 17 06:17:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:17:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave: What can I say? You've got a devious mind. You need to seek professional help. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > > Damn Elden, Even I'm not going to touch that one! > Dave > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > DeWayne: > > > > I have the same problem. Mine will do fine > for a while then start > > blowing back. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Mar 17 20:20:53 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night after a little more tinkering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From bethell at internode.on.net Wed Mar 17 20:36:48 2010 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:36:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa><701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russel I have a photo of this. regards Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally > G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that > was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's > governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball > governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached > which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine > down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National > Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner > and can forward me his contact details. > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 17 21:02:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith, That's sooo SWEET! There aren't that many kero burners that are hit & miss. Are all the Economy kero burners setup that way? ISTR that Dave's 12 hp Herc kero burner was T/G. So, you've got the full set of Hercs and just need a 12 hp Economy for a full set of those? EXCELLENT. What's next; a full set of Spartas? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, March 17, 2010 11:20 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: > Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in > Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show > where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks > ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance > to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with > the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and > lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide > what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night > after a little more tinkering. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 > > Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) > > Keith From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 17 21:47:25 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:47:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Good stuff Jimbo, mate I look forward to seeing it in my in box :-) Russell At 02:36 PM 18/03/2010, you wrote: >Russel I have a photo of this. >regards >Jimbo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:16 PM >Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally > > > > G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that > > was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's > > governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball > > governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached > > which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine > > down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National > > Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner > > and can forward me his contact details. > > regards Russell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 17 22:06:48 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:06:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Good stuff Jimbo, mate I look forward to seeing it in my in box :-) > Russell Hey, Jimbo. Can you please send a copy of that picture my way? Thanks, Rob From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 22:17:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:17:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: I have not had time to have a look, but you may find it in the National Rally pics on my site. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 17 22:28:18 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:28:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: References: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100318052817.BDFC014C03A@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Patrick just had a look, nope you don't have it. From memory the engine was a portable not base. Russell At 04:17 PM 18/03/2010, you wrote: >I have not had time to have a look, but you may find it in the National >Rally pics on my site. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 02:56:27 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:56:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 18 05:01:44 2010 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:01:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: Message-ID: <9B7A34CFE333419AA4C377E3011839F8@Edd> See you all there.Leaving in the morning. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally >I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( > At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 18 05:27:24 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) In-Reply-To: <7e7f4.6bf5ba69.38d36328@aol.com> Message-ID: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Kind of a Kool old video on Besler Steam powered airplanes. Curt ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:06:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) ? ? From: randchorst at mchsi.com To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: 3/17/2010 4:28:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) ? ? http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Mar 18 05:22:33 2010 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:22:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <4ba21b09.214.232e.220676591@netspeed.com.au> looking forward to seeing every one at the rally been out there all day doing things it coming together well Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Livingstone To: ATIS , Oldengine Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:56:27 +1100 > I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work > tomorrow night :( At least the engine is loaded and ready > to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 18 05:23:34 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:23:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <763072B775FD4C3F8350B7E84BE6482E@laruecounty.courthouse> Keith, I could tell that was going to be a pretty good old hunk of iron. Placing the Elkhart mag on it will be a neat addition. Are you going to mount it on a set of trucks or make it a skidded engine? TT Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night after a little more tinkering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 18 07:11:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:11:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith: Very nice! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 18 10:43:00 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:43:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) In-Reply-To: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: thanks a bunch Curt...that is very kewl. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > Kind of a Kool old video on Besler Steam powered airplanes. > Curt > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:06:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > > > > > > > > > From: randchorst at mchsi.com > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: 3/17/2010 4:28:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > > > http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 18 10:53:24 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:53:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Hi, Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have misplaced it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. Thanks, Curt Holland From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Mar 18 11:05:17 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:05:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com > > > > Welton's Maintenance > > 4117 Copley Rd > > Copley, OH 44321 > > (330)666-1576 Take care. Ken curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Hi, > Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have misplaced > it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 18 14:46:51 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'day Patrick and all, When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled for Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, including of the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's display sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on display. Thanks!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( > At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 18 15:10:28 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:10:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> Arnie never seen one in Oz yet But. Some would say more info for the black hole but I don't know what they mean 8-)) Kerry > G'day Patrick and all, > > When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled > for > Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, > including of > the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's > display > sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on > display. > > Thanks!! > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry > > On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night >> :( >> At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 18:33:00 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Mar 18 17:15:18 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:15:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Keeper of the registry In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Now I understand the " Keeper" term. I confused it with Sharing the Lorenz Info! Dumb Steve > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Mar 18 20:04:49 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:04:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an miss. The throttle governed kerosene engine was not offered by Sears/Economy until the late 20's. Yes, Dave's 12HP Hercules was a throttle governed Kerosene. By the way, my 9 HP Economy is also a hit and miss kerosene with the rolled top like 7 HP but it is a half base engine. That is one reason I wanted this particular 7 HP. Some day I hope to be able to afford a 12 HP Economy but it will be a while. A full set of Sparta's would be nice but at this point if I try for another mile stone set it would be to have one of each model, I would need a Model D,G,H,N to complete that set. As long as I don't go for the large engines that shouldn't be to0 hard or too expensive. The model N will be the hardest to find/afford. Tommy, I'm not sure what I'm going to do as far as mounting the engine. I'd like to put it on a cart but I've got more engines than carts right now and haven't decided which is going on a cart and which are going on skids. You were right on assessing the condition of the engine. You'd think you've looked at one or two engines in your life. :-) Thanks again for your transportation assistance. Keith On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Keith, > > That's sooo SWEET! There aren't that many kero burners that are hit & miss. Are > all the Economy kero burners setup that way? ISTR that Dave's 12 hp Herc kero > burner was T/G. > > So, you've got the full set of Hercs and just need a 12 hp Economy for a full set of > those? EXCELLENT. What's next; a full set of Spartas? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, March 17, 2010 11:20 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: >> Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in >> Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show >> where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks >> ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance >> to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with >> the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and >> lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide >> what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night >> after a little more tinkering. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 >> >> Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) >> >> Keith > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 19 03:52:31 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:52:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: 2nd Engine & Tractor Show In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , Message-ID: Here is a link with more info on the show http://bladenjournal.com/view/full_story/6566185/article-Southern-Farm-Days-Show-set-for-March-20-at-Lake-Waccamaw Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From: marinesurveys at msn.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: 2nd Engine & Tractor Show Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:44:29 -0400 Hi Folks; Sat. & Sun. this weekend is the 2nd Southern Farm Show Its located at the Boys & Girls Club grounds @ Lake Waccamaw NC. While the show last year wasn't huge, it was very good Are any list members going to attend? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 19 03:44:29 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2nd Engine & Tractor Show In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Hi Folks; Sat. & Sun. this weekend is the 2nd Southern Farm Show Its located at the Boys & Girls Club grounds @ Lake Waccamaw NC. While the show last year wasn't huge, it was very good Are any list members going to attend? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 19 10:33:02 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <4794797a4897b57a938b726e75ed1415.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Thank you Ken. Curt > Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com >> > >> > Welton's Maintenance >> > 4117 Copley Rd >> > Copley, OH 44321 >> > (330)666-1576 > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > curt at rustyiron.com wrote: >> Hi, >> Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have >> misplaced >> it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. >> Thanks, >> Curt Holland >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 19 10:44:40 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit > and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle > governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the > Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many > around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they > wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an > miss. For running at a show, not working the engine, do you run it without water in the hopper? Or did the p/o even run kero in it? They make beautiful smoke rings on kero, but are messy. Tried kero in my 6HP long ago and the smoke rings were entertaining. Yes, this was prior to the paint job :-) Too much trouble to clean! Curt From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 19 14:31:50 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:31:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Message-ID: Gang: In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the same principle. BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power stroke. It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, WHOOSH, etc". It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that at full power. If you wanna have a look, go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Mar 19 14:11:52 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: Message-ID: That does sound interesting.Is there any videos of the full-size engine? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Fri 3/19/2010 5:31 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Gang: In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the same principle. BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power stroke. It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, WHOOSH, etc". It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that at full power. If you wanna have a look, go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 19 18:17:46 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> References: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4c48b1aeae6d0487a7b6423f53185029.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, I thought there was one in one of Patrick's rally collections. I wasn't as aggressive about the Register back then as I didn't have such a devoted "cheer-leading squad" if you get my drift. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 18, 2010 6:10 pm, Kerry wrote: > Arnie never seen one in Oz yet But. > Some would say more info for the black hole but I don't know what they mean > 8-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 19 18:23:22 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Would you happen to have a high-res version of that photo that you could email me? It would be nice to be able to zoom in to try and get the S/N off the tag and maybe the owners details off his display sign. If anyone happens to spot it out & about at other rallies, I'd love to have the details for the register. At least initially, it would be the only one in Oz in the register. See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 18, 2010 6:48 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I only know of one here and it was at the Sydney rally last year. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/images/DSCF3514_JPG.jpg > > > On 19/3/10 8:46 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > >> G'day Patrick and all, >> >> When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled for >> Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, >> including of >> the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's >> display >> sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on display. >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry >> >> On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >>> I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( >>> At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Mar 19 20:15:41 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:15:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: I don't think the previous owner ever ran the engine. I don't plan to run it on kerosene. It would have to be under a load to get warm enough. Gasoline will be just fine. Keith On Mar 19, 2010, at 12:44 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: >> Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit >> and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle >> governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the >> Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many >> around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they >> wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an >> miss. > > For running at a show, not working the engine, do you run it without water > in the hopper? Or did the p/o even run kero in it? They make beautiful > smoke rings on kero, but are messy. > Tried kero in my 6HP long ago and the smoke rings were entertaining. Yes, > this was prior to the paint job :-) Too much trouble to clean! > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 20 06:27:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:27:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I took a look on YouTube and found the following: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mcvicker+engine&search_type=&aq=f There are three videos of McVicker Automatic engines. It looks like there is a later(?) model McVicker engine in one of the videos that does have an exhaust cam (eccentric?). It's operating at crankshaft speed and the pushrod is moved out of the way of the valve stem during the "miss" interval. I assume the mechanism that moves the pushrod out of the way is the overpressure cylinder. That's another interesting way of getting rid of gears but not as true to the original patent. I suppose there were some problems with the full pneumatic operation so they went to the gearless pushrod version. Please let me know if this is correct. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 04:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > That does sound interesting.Is there any videos > of the full-size engine? > Jim K. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 03:46:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:46:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for neglecting it. I am already looking forward to the next rally at this site. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 03:49:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:49:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Video of the 12hp R&V Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nicnHCcWY8 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Mar 21 03:58:54 2010 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:58:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Patrick Many thanks for the comments. I will pass them on at our club night on Thursday. I am sure they will be appreciated. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 9:46 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for neglecting it. I am already looking forward to the next rally at this site. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 21 05:38:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:38:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <5a185.1a6ca41e.38d76d59@aol.com> In a message dated 3/21/2010 6:51:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: Home again from another great weekend with the engines. Patrick, Always great to head to the shows for a nice weekend. Engines want to act up at the shows and run great at home! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 21 06:50:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:50:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to identify. can you guys please help. The pics are here: many thanks as usual. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 08:25:41 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cb10a9a5c1aa2de8e9e19a6550a977c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, I think you're being too rough on Brock. I'm sure that he wasn't SNORING. He was probably just re-living the day's events in his dreams and those were engine sounds. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 6:46 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first > rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the > ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp > Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! > The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have > a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on > Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the > grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined > a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and > dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... > This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok > except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for > neglecting it. From cwja at telus.net Sun Mar 21 08:28:23 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:28:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BA63B17.50505@telus.net> Hi Jerry, I believe what you have is an old military genset where the generator is mated with an Iron Horse engine of about 1 hp . The engine is made in Canada by Iron Horse company in the 1940's and 50's . I have two of these gensets and can send some pictures and also some manuals for the engine type. You are missing some metal round bar stock that formed a protective cage around the unit for transport. Let me know , Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Canada Jerry Evans wrote: >Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to >identify. can you guys please help. > >The pics are here: > > >many thanks as usual. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2760 - Release Date: 03/20/10 13:33:00 > > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Mar 21 09:07:33 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. Rupert On 3/21/2010 7:50 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > > The pics are here: > > > many thanks as usual. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 21 09:24:26 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:24:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20100321162419.C4E1E9237@smtp.wcoil.com> I'm pretty sure the engine is Iron Horse. Interesting little outfits. Mark At 09:50 AM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to >identify. can you guys please help. > >The pics are here: > > >many thanks as usual. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 10:06:53 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:06:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211006l5a09c15bwa6fe91a103c26d13@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > > The pics are here: > > > many thanks as usual. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Made by BSA in the UK in some quantities under licence from Johnson/OMC, look on the ASECC site for more details, I will email you the pdf file of the BSA manual, it's virtually the same, whoever made it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 21 10:33:10 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:33:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321191628.00cd5b40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 21/03/2010, you wrote: Hi Jeff and Ken, Thanks for the info and to Ken for sending the ad from Popular Mechanics. Sometimes I can be very stupid !!!! I've been busy all day making skids and axles for a few engines and came and sat in the office for a break. That mail came in so I quickly the pics on my page and wrote to the lists. I should have just walked out to the shed and looked at my Iron Horse - they're identical apart from the tag and military colour !! Thanks for the replies guys. Jeff I'd love a manual as well as some pics of the cage. Mine (unrestored) is not the military version but it may be nice to make the cage and possibly paint the engine to military colours - time will tell. Is the manual in pdf - if so please send it off list to the same address I use for the list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >Hi Jerry, >I believe what you have is an old military genset where the generator is >mated with an Iron Horse engine of about 1 hp . The engine is made in >Canada by Iron Horse company in the 1940's and 50's . I have two of >these gensets and can send some pictures and also some manuals for the >engine type. You are missing some metal round bar stock that formed a >protective cage around the unit for transport. Let me know , Jeff Allen, >Edmonton, Canada > >Jerry Evans wrote: > > >Hi All, > > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > >identify. can you guys please help. > > > >The pics are here: > > > > > >many thanks as usual. > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 11:14:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & Sparks page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 21 12:01:51 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20100321190150.36AE99277@smtp.wcoil.com> I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little then this one. Mark At 02:14 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >Jerry, > >If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & >Sparks page. >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 >http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: > > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years > > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Mar 21 12:33:22 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Message-ID: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi all, It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I could visit. Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. Tim Christoff From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 12:37:01 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:37:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics Message-ID: I have not had time to caption them as yet but here are some pics from Canberra: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can10/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Mar 21 12:39:30 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:39:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za><4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com><926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20100321190150.36AE99277@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2329E255CD1B44FC8A85D3B3CA5C126A@D6R3D961> There were two smaller sets that I remember the continental and the Delco, I do not remember which one was called the tiny Tim I have both buried out in the shop somewhere Roger DiRuscio R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate #615513 Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity >I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little > then this one. Mark > > > At 02:14 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >>Jerry, >> >>If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & >>Sparks page. >>http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 >>http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: >> > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have >> > years >> > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >>03/21/10 07:33:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 21 13:25:36 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:25:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs References: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00af01cac934$ad4bf880$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tim, this might help. MR Coolspring Power Museum Board of Directors & Officers Vance Packard - President 570-472-3274 Clark W. Colby - Vice President 724-863-4372 Jennifer Fye Secretary/Treasurer 814-943-2908 Glenn Anthony 814-849-5697 Chris Austin 724-294-0254 Douglas Fye 814-943-2908 Michael Fuoco 814-362-0040 John Hanley 517-669-8658 Dr. Paul E. Harvey 814-849-5495 Kim Himes 814-849-8824 Edward Kuntz (Endowment Fund Chairman) 814-781-6296 Brad Miller 814-849-7693 Tommy Turner 724-539-8580 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs > Hi all, > > It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of > Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip > so that would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who > know, is the museum open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so > close it would be great if I could visit. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 21 13:28:36 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:28:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics References: Message-ID: <00b401cac935$161931c0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Thanks for the photos, as if we were there! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics >I have not had time to caption them as yet but here are some pics from > Canberra: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can10/index.htm > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:17:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > There are also Pincor Gen-E-Motor who made the WS No12 power supply unit, which had 230V AC and 12V DC to run Army radios in the field (talking WWII and just after here) We have a couple or so of the BSA sets, one of which went to the Wings of LIberation Museum near Eindhoven last year while we were at Nuenen, the two Pincor units we have will be going there this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:20:00 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:20:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211420u69b644b5n6da22805b55eeb4b@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > Here is the ASECC link that I mentioned in an earlier message: http://www.asecc.com/data/iron/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:25:06 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:25:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za>, <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Can you tell us a little more about the museum in Eindhoven, I'd like to go there next trip to Neunen. Thanks Steve > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:17:50 +0000 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity > > On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi All, > > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > > identify. can you guys please help. > > > > There are also Pincor Gen-E-Motor who made the WS No12 power supply > unit, which had 230V AC and 12V DC to run Army radios in the field > (talking WWII and just after here) > > We have a couple or so of the BSA sets, one of which went to the Wings > of LIberation Museum near Eindhoven last year while we were at Nuenen, > the two Pincor units we have will be going there this year. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 14:54:20 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring In-Reply-To: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.n et> References: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4595f0ce87dea56753b9c2e6b6fc82b3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tim, If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not I-70. I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only about 15 or 20 minutes south of Brookville. The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org and their phone number is 814-849-6883 Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be there. That show is awesome. If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings and show you around at times other than their open days. See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of > Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that > would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum > open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I > could visit. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Mar 21 15:08:33 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Message-ID: <13033051.1269209313842.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> After doing a map check it looks like I will be heading North out of Columbus OH on I-71 so I won't even be close to Coolsprings but thanks to both you and Mike for the info. If I could hold off I would but due to time problems and my traveling companion, it looks as we will be leaving this Thursday. He needs to retrive his items right away. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Mar 21, 2010 5:54 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring > >Tim, > >If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not I-70. >I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. > >If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only about 15 >or 20 minutes south of Brookville. > >The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org >and their phone number is 814-849-6883 > >Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. >The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. > >If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be there. That >show is awesome. > >If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings and show >you around at times other than their open days. > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >> It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of >> Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that >> would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum >> open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I >> could visit. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 21 15:39:24 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:39:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring References: <13033051.1269209313842.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a901cac947$5bb68630$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> The Tod Engine Heritage Park is on I-80 just inside the Ohio border, but if you are going up I-71 you are probably going straight to I-90 in Cleveland. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring > After doing a map check it looks like I will be heading North out of > Columbus OH on I-71 so I won't even be close to Coolsprings but thanks to > both you and Mike for the info. If I could hold off I would but due to > time problems and my traveling companion, it looks as we will be leaving > this Thursday. He needs to retrive his items right away. > > Tim Christoff > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Arnie Fero >>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 5:54 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring >> >>Tim, >> >>If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not >>I-70. >>I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. >> >>If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only >>about 15 >>or 20 minutes south of Brookville. >> >>The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org >>and their phone number is 814-849-6883 >> >>Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. >>The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. >> >>If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be >>there. That >>show is awesome. >> >>If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings >>and show >>you around at times other than their open days. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >>> It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part >>> of >>> Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the >>> trip so that >>> would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is >>> the museum >>> open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be >>> great if I >>> could visit. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Mar 21 20:43:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:43:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! Message-ID: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> See: http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=5016125 At every show to which we go Arnie and I experience the same temptations to which Tiger is subjected! We understand Tiger's problem and deal with his/our affelection. We can never know how Tiger attemptsbhis salvation, but Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a superfluity of naughtiness! (See: Jamnes 1:21) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 21 21:19:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:19:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! In-Reply-To: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> References: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2010, at 8:43 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a > superfluity of naughtiness! And you make such a CUTE couple. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 21 23:09:09 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:09:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! References: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> Message-ID: <92B41AB3ADC54B57A6D2537E2B318DAC@regpc> Cute meaning 'Ugly but appealing' Er, which is what?? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] We Understand! > On Mar 21, 2010, at 8:43 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a >> superfluity of naughtiness! > > And you make such a CUTE couple. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 03:09:19 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:09:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <2B1F4A3B58A741E3A83FEDA11B80FC6A@KerryPC> Congratulations to The Canberra Club for a great Rally, always a good rally this one was one of the best in relation to Great Engines, great settings, great accommodation and above all a friendly rally. well done boys Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 05:04:00 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Serial number location In-Reply-To: <1026109101.11444791269259230186.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <1847139163.11445221269259439988.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All, I have been looking for the serial number on my Stover 2hp model "Y". Have completely polished the more common areas with a wire wheel such as on the water hopper front face, back, both sides and top around the opening and bottom. Also both flywheel tops and rims and the base section, also the crankshaft,yokes, ends,keyways and still no numbers. I did find the ignition mark stamping. Hopefully someone has similiar engine and can help? thank you in advance, Curt Andree From curt at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 22 06:25:11 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:25:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Elden, This will be a fun project to see developed. Have you considered moving the exhaust valve operating mechanism to the top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the crudy products of combustion and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. Curt Holland > Gang: > > In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. > > This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked > him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the > original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the > same principle. > > BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or > cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a > small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power > stroke. > > It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds > really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during > the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, > SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, > WHOOSH, etc". > > It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of > The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either > direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be > reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and > starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that > at full power. > > If you wanna have a look, go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html > > Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 10:00:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Hmmmm ...... good point ...... but I can't put the ports at the side because the wrist pin will interfere with the lower port and add a bit more volume. Whether or not that makes a difference is a good question. On top will work, but it will interfere with the oiler and the water outlet, which is at the front and maybe in the head itself if there's room in there for drilled water passages. There may be an advantage in having the valve actuator piston at the bottom. Lubrication. Some cylinder oil will necessarily be included in the stream of combustion gas into the valve cylinder and it would be good for lubrication. If it ends up accumulating there and messes with it's operation, I could just drill a very small hole in the valve cylinder at the end of the stroke so the piston will uncover it when it bottoms-out and blows out any junk that may be there. It gives me something to think about. ........ ........ well, back to the shop for some more FUN. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Elden, > This will be a fun project to see developed. > > Have you considered moving the exhaust valve > operating mechanism to the > top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the > crudy products of combustion > and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. > > Curt Holland From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 22 10:04:11 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:04:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Kerry wrote: > Arnie got to apologize for my camera, It took photos of a Lorenz at > the > Sydney Rally without me knowing 8-)). > Blown up to me it is 9106 and is owned by Merv Sutton with clearly > your name > on his information board and to contact you if anyone has another, > which > only supports the idea that other have in that you only maintain a > black > hole. > Have spoken to the camera it will let me know if I ever see another > one > > Always on the look out Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 12:18:39 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025161003221218x4a9f9426qae152e1b9a40d27a@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 21:25, Steve Royster wrote: > > Hi Peter, Can you tell us a little more about the museum in Eindhoven, I'd like to go there next trip to Neunen. Thanks Steve > Hi Steve: It's a place that is on the site of an unused NATO logistics base, in a place called Best, near to Eindhoven, 15 minutes drive or so from Nuenen. They have a couple of C-47's, a LOT of wheeled and tracked stuff, plus a very comprehensive collection of WWII radio equipment, all restored and working, from the Allies, Germany, Russia etc. It has a very large restaurant out front with a Sherman tank sitting in the trees. I posted a lot of pictures of the radio stuff here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu7.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu8.htm The museum website is at: http://www.wingsofliberation.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1&lang=en When we went there with Jan Helleman, the radio restorer, it was closed because of the public holiday, but we will be seeing him this year and can ask in advance about access if you are over for the show again, or in future. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 12:46:43 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:46:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must hit in order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Elden, This will be a fun project to see developed. Have you considered moving the exhaust valve operating mechanism to the top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the crudy products of combustion and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. Curt Holland > Gang: > > In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. > > This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked > him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the > original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the > same principle. > > BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or > cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a > small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power > stroke. > > It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds > really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during > the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, > SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, > WHOOSH, etc". > > It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of > The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either > direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be > reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and > starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that > at full power. > > If you wanna have a look, go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html > > Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 22 13:25:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:25:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag Message-ID: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I noted the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The old folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to imprint this on each clip they made. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and noted that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor flange mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I guess IH made everything they could for their engines. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Mar 22 13:47:24 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Hello all, I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? Thanks, Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 13:48:22 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:48:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> Message-ID: <3B1D784DAEC34FDDBEA0C949931D73FE@KerryPC> Rob Well mate at least we have found one, fairly low if he could not think of his own set of words, but then again what is the chance of being found out. Glad I did not say anything about Arnies great register Kerry > Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who > pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd > rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, > and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. > > Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit > this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you > see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! > > Rob > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/22/10 06:33:00 From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Mar 22 14:22:08 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:22:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> <3B1D784DAEC34FDDBEA0C949931D73FE@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002b01caca05$baf9c9e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Alleged register!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally > Rob > Well mate at least we have found one, fairly low if he could not think of > his own set of words, but then again what is the chance of being found > out. > Glad I did not say anything about Arnies great register > > Kerry > >> Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who >> pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd >> rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, >> and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. >> >> Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit >> this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you >> see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/22/10 > 06:33:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 22 14:33:49 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:33:49 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Message-ID: <7A81CD22B5E24F498A8C9B6AD9207235@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Mike, Have you tried John Wanat in CT, he is a sponsor on Harrys,email address is kingpoleAC at aol.com ; hope this is of some use to you. Cheers, Craig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank > Hello all, > > I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen > cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If > you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? > > Thanks, > Mike > > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 07:33:00 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Mar 22 14:39:28 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:39:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Message-ID: <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> Mike I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! John Wanat & Sons P.O. Box 275 West Redding, CT 06896 203-938-3771 Kingpoleacaol.com Keith On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? > > Thanks, > Mike > > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 22 15:56:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jim, There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve is opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. See ya, Arnie On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must hit in > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't fire and no > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 16:58:41 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: The McVicker engine will always suck a charge after firing (and operating the exhaust valve). After the exhaust is gone, the automatic inlet valve allows a fresh charge to be sucked in. While the engine is "missing", the charge is just compressed and expanded 'til the next time the plug fires it at TDC or thereabouts. If there is leakage past the rings during the "miss" period, a small vacuum will be present upon the next expansion and a little more fuel/air will be drawn in. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 02:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it > sounds like the engine must hit in order to > operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the > engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held > open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > Jim K From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 17:15:45 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Message-ID: Steve: I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe with the union on it that goes to the exhaust port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the exhaust relief port. Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 16:22:02 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which means no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on not opening the intake valve. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Jim, > > There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. > The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve > is > opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must > hit in > > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't > fire and no > > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:24:02 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve piston, I think the small piston uncovers the port in the valve cage at the end of it's downward travel and this small port lets the small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If you hold your finger over the port when it fires there is very little pressure coming from it. I have to take the cage off and replace the bolts with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > Steve: > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe with the union on it that goes to the exhaust port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the exhaust relief port. > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 18:50:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:50:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: Hmmm! The drawing on the patent you sent doesn't show the exhaust from the valve cylinder going anywhere but to the back of the cylinder when it gets to the top of the stroke. That must have been added later. I think I'll leave it out and just let the valve cylinder exhaust beneath the piston. If there is an oil/crud buildup in the valve cylinder, I can probably get away with a very small hole that opens to the atmosphere right at the top of the valve piston stroke. The hole would have to be very small to not interfere with operation of the exhaust valve system. When I do the finalization of the exhaust valve mechanism, I'll have to come up with a way to seal the port pipes in the water jacket (I may just weld 'em in) and attach the checkvalve/piston part to these pipes. I think I know how I'll do it but won't actually do the dimensioned drawing until I've cogitated on it a bit. I would like to see the pics of your disassembled engine even though I probably won't do the diagonal exhaust valve and cage on my engine due to complexity. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to > relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve > piston, I think the small piston uncovers the > port in the valve cage at the end of it's > downward travel and this small port lets the > small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and > oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If > you hold your finger over the port when it fires > there is very little pressure coming from it. I > have to take the cage off and replace the bolts > with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Steve: > > > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe > with the union on it that goes to the exhaust > port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the > exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the > exhaust relief port. > > > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 17:59:05 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:59:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep turning over. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which means no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on not opening the intake valve. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Jim, > > There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. > The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve > is > opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must > hit in > > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't > fire and no > > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 18:07:09 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: Message-ID: Thank you Elden,I think my misunderstanding is coming from trying to equate how a modern engine runs versus these older ones. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: The McVicker engine will always suck a charge after firing (and operating the exhaust valve). After the exhaust is gone, the automatic inlet valve allows a fresh charge to be sucked in. While the engine is "missing", the charge is just compressed and expanded 'til the next time the plug fires it at TDC or thereabouts. If there is leakage past the rings during the "miss" period, a small vacuum will be present upon the next expansion and a little more fuel/air will be drawn in. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 02:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it > sounds like the engine must hit in order to > operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the > engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held > open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 18:15:10 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes Tom. People in the USA used to have pride in what they did. Have you noticed lately how many auto manufactures don't any longer put their brand on the back of their cars? Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I > noted > the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The > old > folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to > imprint > this on each clip they made. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > > I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and > noted > that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor > flange > mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I > guess IH > made everything they could for their engines. > > Tom Schmutz From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 18:20:23 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate either! Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If > neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the > engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob > brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very > quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine > to keep turning over. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which > means > no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on > not > opening the intake valve. > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero > wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >> intake valve >> is >> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>> engine must >> hit in >>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>> doesn't >> fire and no >>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 22 18:38:07 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:38:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45E03E5ECA884A83BFE09E76CBD7E39C@D2JYVHJ1> Tom, I guess some folks are still proud of their work. I was in Wal-Mart the other day and everything I picked up had "Made in China" on it.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I > noted > the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The > old > folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to > imprint > this on each clip they made. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > > I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and > noted > that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor > flange > mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I > guess IH > made everything they could for their engines. > > Tom Schmutz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/22/10 19:44:00 From donreneau at netzero.net Mon Mar 22 18:42:39 2010 From: donreneau at netzero.net (donreneau at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:42:39 GMT Subject: [SEL] small motor driven generators et al tiny tim, airline etc. Message-ID: <20100322.204239.21521.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Mark Shulaw continentalTo: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:51 -0400 I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little > Continental engines made the :Tiny Tim for sale by Sears& Roebuck in 6v,12v &32 volt units;> >_________________________Airline for sale by Montgomery Ward Airline their radio brand _Delco made a slightly smaller unit named Little Joe_____________________ >SEL mailing listDon Reneau donreneau at netzero.net >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=TGfAJokW0cgpk8tSbJOWwwAAJ1GD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jbcast at charter.net Mon Mar 22 18:50:34 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:50:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100322215034.YOFUC.3417746.root@mp18> ---- "Kangas wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep turning over. The jake brake was invented because a Diesel has little braking on it's own. A gasoline engine has a throttle plate and vacuum helps slow the engine. Exhaust brakes use a butterfly in the exhaust to restrict flow and build back pressure. Modern variable displacement engines close both valves on a cylinder, the compression acts as a spring and uses very little energy. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 18:56:23 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if your remark might be an inside joke. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate either! Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If > neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the > engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob > brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very > quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine > to keep turning over. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which > means > no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on > not > opening the intake valve. > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero > wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >> intake valve >> is >> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>> engine must >> hit in >>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>> doesn't >> fire and no >>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Mar 22 20:17:01 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100323031652.1629592D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark At 04:25 PM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I noted >the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The old >folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to imprint >this on each clip they made. > >_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ >(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > >I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and noted >that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor flange >mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I guess IH >made everything they could for their engines. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at AOL.com Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 20:40:02 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:40:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such as the JJ work by not opening the exhuast valve so that they miss against compression. A little odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why Crossleys did this but they were often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04111306.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 20:51:52 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:51:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20E12AB2-262F-4C46-A583-6BC7AA174C53@me.com> Hell Jim, Fred knew "basically nothing about [his] MAYTAG [MOTORS] Most of the time they would NOT start unless the ambient terepurture was at least 76 degrees! Clearly that temp was NOWHERE THAT MAYTAG MOTOR WAS BROUGHT INTO THE KITCHEN AND THENN WNEN THE MAYTAG MAN GOT THERE THE MAYTAG WARMED UP AND THEN WOULD FIRE WHEN KICKRD Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing > that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also > I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if > yourCUSSIOS remark might be an inside joke. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate > either! > Dave > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If >> neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the >> engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob >> brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very >> quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine >> to keep turning over. >> Jim K >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick >> Livingstone >> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> >> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which >> means >> no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on >> not >> opening the intake valve. >> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero >> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >>> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >>> intake valve >>> is >>> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>>> engine must >>> hit in >>>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>>> doesn't >>> fire and no >>>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 22 21:08:21 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:08:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> <20E12AB2-262F-4C46-A583-6BC7AA174C53@me.com> Message-ID: <5DD6D78F8EFE45B5A43BB8AB501E9AE2@regpc> Wot ya drinkin Dave? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > Hell Jim, Fred knew "basically nothing about [his] MAYTAG [MOTORS] > Most of the time they would NOT start unless the ambient terepurture > was at least 76 degrees! Clearly that temp was NOWHERE THAT MAYTAG > MOTOR WAS BROUGHT INTO THE KITCHEN AND THENN WNEN THE MAYTAG MAN > GOT THERE THE MAYTAG WARMED UP AND THEN WOULD FIRE WHEN KICKRD > Dave > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing >> that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also >> I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if >> yourCUSSIOS remark might be an inside joke. >> Jim K >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: >> >>> Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If >>> neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the >>> engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob >>> brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very >>> quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine >>> to keep turning over. >>> Jim K >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick >>> Livingstone >>> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >>> >>> >>> >>> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which >>> means >>> no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on >>> not >>> opening the intake valve. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >>>> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >>>> intake valve >>>> is >>>> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>>>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>>>> engine must >>>> hit in >>>>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>>>> doesn't >>>> fire and no >>>>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >>> entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The >>> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 21:29:28 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:29:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On a petrol Hornsby the governor does not open the fuel inlet valve when over speed but it has a second valve that lets air only in when over speed this prevents the condition Jim spoke about. Kerry > I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such as the JJ work by not > opening the exhuast valve so that they miss against compression. A little > odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why Crossleys did this but they > were > often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 04:53:33 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:53:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <20100323031652.1629592D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <37DD8BD1ACBA429BB0F50E4D6BBC7476@laruecounty.courthouse> Mark, I don't know if its changed or not but many years ago I had a friend who is in the construction business. He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. He could take a couple of friends with him and he asked me to come along. It was something to see. While they didn't mine the ore the iron came into one end of the plant and the finished machine came out the other. Most everything from start to finish was done there at the plant. I don't know if this is still the case or not. That was before the days of electronic controls on the machines and I don't know how much of this is done by Cat and how much is from outside sources. At the time I asked the tour guide why Cat did so much of it in house. He told me it was all about quality control and the only way Cat could assure the quality they want is by doing it themselves. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 23 05:23:39 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:23:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag Message-ID: <3b98a.1d5ab886.38da0ccb@aol.com> In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. I too was fortunate to take a Cat plant tour in Peoria many years ago. They sure put on a show for us! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 06:52:21 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:52:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: If you are correct about the exhaust port at the end of the valve piston's stroke, it makes sense. That port would allow overpressure in that cylinder to be released and the valve piston would retreat a short distance toward the head of the valve cylinder to close the port and hold there until the power piston skirt cleared the port to let the pressure escape. In your engine, the valve cylinder overpressure is routed to the power cylinder exhaust port. If I end-up drilling the small hole to let out the oil/crud, it will be in the same position and, if needed, I can simply increase the hole size a little and either let it "spit" directly into the atmosphere or I could plumb it to the exhaust pipe. This would alleviate some of the hammering of the exhaust valve piston due to overpressure, allowing the exhaust valve to "overopen" due to momentum of the valve piston and valve gear, then settle back to a smaller opening for the rest of the stroke. Ingenious guy, that McVicker! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to > relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve > piston, I think the small piston uncovers the > port in the valve cage at the end of it's > downward travel and this small port lets the > small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and > oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If > you hold your finger over the port when it fires > there is very little pressure coming from it. I > have to take the cage off and replace the bolts > with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Steve: > > > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe > with the union on it that goes to the exhaust > port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the > exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the > exhaust relief port. > > > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at mchsi.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful > SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 06:54:39 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 07:03:43 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:03:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave: Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. Others may differ. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > on a MAYTAG operate > either! > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 07:09:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:09:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Very nice engine! I have one comment though. Historically, it must have some relation to the Maytag "motor". I noted in the photo of your engine that there was definite evidence of blue smoke which is characteristic of those infernal Maytag things. :-) I'm sure the sound of your engine is a bit more pleasant. Note: I've got to stop this Maytag bashing! There's the definite possibility that I could take on some of Dave's characteristics ....... EEK! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:40 PM > To: ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such > as the JJ work by not > opening the exhuast valve so that they miss > against compression. A little > odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why > Crossleys did this but they were > often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/041 > 11306.JPG > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 09:50:50 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:50:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Elden: This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson Observatory. What I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and then killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and 45 seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing but also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 minutes to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against compression probably is a little more efficient than not. Larry At 06:54 AM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >Jim: > >Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true >compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and >expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and >giving (most of) it back on expansion. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Mar 23 09:59:47 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:59:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Hi Elden and Dave Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s Dolly On 23/03/2010 14:03, Elden DuRand wrote: > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 23 10:28:57 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3972DF8F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, Interesting experiment. I'd never really thought about engines governing against compression that the expanding of the compressed air does return some of the energy used to compress it so it is not a total loss. Although I'm not sure your experiment is a good comparison between governing against compression and the common method of holding the exhaust valve open. If your compression release is a much smaller opening that that provided by an open exhaust valve, then I wouldn't have the same effect. Your experiment did show that keeping the valves closed does take longer for the engine to come to a complete stop. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Elden: This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson Observatory. What I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and then killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and 45 seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing but also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 minutes to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against compression probably is a little more efficient than not. Larry This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From oldironnut at windstream.net Tue Mar 23 10:29:16 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:29:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> Thanks Keith, He's got just what I need. Mike On Mar 22, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Mike > I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. > > Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! > John Wanat & Sons > P.O. Box 275 > West Redding, CT 06896 > 203-938-3771 > Kingpoleacaol.com ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From gop4evr at lsol.net Tue Mar 23 11:10:58 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back Message-ID: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Mar 23 11:25:39 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:25:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <4BA907A3.2040204@accnorwalk.com> I guess we better watch what we say about you then!! Welcome Back! Doug T Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Mar 23 11:46:10 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:46:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <219DBAC4-06CC-4AF7-BD17-EBB7B97FE0CC@herculesengines.com> Welcome bak Nels. How's that Hercules doing? Keith On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Mar 23 11:48:34 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:48:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> Message-ID: You're welcome Mike. John does very nice work. Keith On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Thanks Keith, > > He's got just what I need. > > Mike > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > >> Mike >> I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. >> >> Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! >> John Wanat & Sons >> P.O. Box 275 >> West Redding, CT 06896 >> 203-938-3771 >> Kingpoleacaol.com > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 12:20:53 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 12:50:48 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:50:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, The McVickers were built in models some call "fully automatic" and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube video is a semi automatic. They had a valve chest on the side of the engine rather than the valve underneath. The fully automatic's are like the one Steve Royster has (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is piston tripped on the semi's. Both miss under compression. If you notice the one in the video its very smooth and you really can't tell that its missing under compression. The secret to these engines running good is for them to have great compression. If they do, then they compress the charge and then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to push the piston back out. The action/reaction is equalized. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 13:03:02 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <9ae227f065ff2dd6205eaf5c27cff620.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Hey Nels, welcome back after all these years. You'll be happy to know that Missy took your teaching of how to do Wisconsin style brats to heart and she cooks 'em all the time now. She cooks them for the SEL at Cotton Ginning Days and last Saturday made a big batch for the Boy Scouts who were over at our new place having a fishing day. Those teenage boys devoured 30 brats in a flash! Curt & Missy Holland Bessemer City, NC > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 13:12:57 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:12:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag References: <37DD8BD1ACBA429BB0F50E4D6BBC7476@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: I thought there was something in the news the other day where Cat said it would be closing some of it's plants in the south and move the operations to the United Kingdom. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 7:53 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Podlesak mag Mark, I don't know if its changed or not but many years ago I had a friend who is in the construction business. He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. He could take a couple of friends with him and he asked me to come along. It was something to see. While they didn't mine the ore the iron came into one end of the plant and the finished machine came out the other. Most everything from start to finish was done there at the plant. I don't know if this is still the case or not. That was before the days of electronic controls on the machines and I don't know how much of this is done by Cat and how much is from outside sources. At the time I asked the tour guide why Cat did so much of it in house. He told me it was all about quality control and the only way Cat could assure the quality they want is by doing it themselves. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 13:31:53 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:31:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: Thank you Tommy for your explanation. I didn't know there were the two types of Mcvickers.I really like the one in the video with it's mechanism to push the valve in. Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 3:50 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim, The McVickers were built in models some call "fully automatic" and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube video is a semi automatic. They had a valve chest on the side of the engine rather than the valve underneath. The fully automatic's are like the one Steve Royster has (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is piston tripped on the semi's. Both miss under compression. If you notice the one in the video its very smooth and you really can't tell that its missing under compression. The secret to these engines running good is for them to have great compression. If they do, then they compress the charge and then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to push the piston back out. The action/reaction is equalized. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 23 13:52:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> References: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48739788-1899-4260-838C-8614DB5DFBD4@me.com> Hell Dolly, I've known for years that you were different! Dave PS, Jim, you are a GOOD GUY for letting Dolly use your 'puter! (I hope she PROPERLY thanks you!) On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Elden and Dave > > Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s > > Dolly > > On 23/03/2010 14:03, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Dave: >> >> Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG >> "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely >> circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel >> better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. >> >> Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product >> they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product >> and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show >> grounds. >> >> They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just >> very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually >> converted is that which is required to keep them turning after >> repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all >> the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating >> sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. >> >> Others may differ. :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 13:55:55 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1AwYAqZ-w Hi Jim, This is the video of mine running so you can se the difference. Steve > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 > From: james.kangas at timken.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > > turning over. > > Jim K > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 15:10:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:10:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: , Message-ID: Thank you Steve,I'll check it out when I get home from work. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Steve Royster Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 4:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1AwYAqZ-w Hi Jim, This is the video of mine running so you can se the difference. Steve > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 > From: james.kangas at timken.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > > turning over. > > Jim K > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 15:50:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:50:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Larry Evans wrote: > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson > Observatory. What > I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and > then > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and > 45 > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing > but > also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 > minutes > to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against > compression > probably is a little more efficient than not. Sounds like a fun experiment, Larry. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 15:54:45 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01E242FA31F94DA490C452301ECA4EE6@tommydk7hxjr4h> He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. Jim K. ________________________________ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 23 16:04:39 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about engines on this list? J.B. Castagnos Bele Rose, LA From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 16:54:28 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:54:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 7:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about engines on this list? J.B. Castagnos Bele Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Mar 23 16:56:05 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:56:05 GMT Subject: [SEL] I'm back Message-ID: <20100323.195605.26621.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hi Nels,, Welcome back.. Joe Kelley in Maine ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3ECaOUXq1C8QkgIE4ewuRAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 16:58:58 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:58:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: On Mar 23, 2010, at 4:04 PM, wrote: > An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of > the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, > intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you > compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it > OK to talk about engines on this list? > J.B. Castagnos > Bele Rose, LA Righteo, JB... but don't forget that after you finish converting mechanical energy into thermal energy by compression, the thermal energy is converted right back into mechanical energy as the compressed gas expands! The "open exhaust" system will not coast as long as the "compress/expand" system because it's pushing air in and out of the cylinder the whole time. All this pondering about engines is FUN! Rob From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Mar 23 16:57:40 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:57:40 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__The_McVickerish_Engine_and_vi?= =?iso-8859-1?q?deo?= Message-ID: <20100323.195740.26621.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hey JB, talking about engines beats talking about health care! Makes a lot more sense!!! 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Woops , I didn't mean to give my secret away! > From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. > Jim K. > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Mar 23 18:22:29 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Message-ID: <443978.1269393749640.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Is an Otto some sort of mind altering drink that you and Mike came up with Steve? Told Tommy that you had an Otto for him and the next thing he knew was there was less engines in the barn and you were not there. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Royster >Sent: Mar 23, 2010 8:12 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > >Jim, All ya gotta do is find him a stray Otto every now and then and he'll let a few rejects slip out! Steve. Woops , I didn't mean to give my secret away! > >> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video >> >> He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. >> Jim K. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 23 18:53:07 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:53:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100323215307.VPO8N.3499301.root@mp12> ---- "Kangas wrote: > How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. > The Aeromotor had the cam geared 4 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. The exhaust lobe was large enough to keep it open for the 5 strokes. These were air cooled engines both internally and externally, didn't use a cooling fan. They were built to put on windmills and pump water when there was no wind. The idea was to start it and let it run unattended until it ran out of gas. J.B. Castagnos From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 18:58:48 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:58:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Jim, The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to dump the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing of the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. Larry At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 19:04:01 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:04:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323190157.04442ea8@pop.att.yahoo.com> Rob, It was fun. The sound of about 1200 cubic inches of air per cylinder coming out of the 1/2 inch pipe compression release during the upstroke is quite impressive. Larry At 03:50 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Larry Evans wrote: > > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. > > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson > > Observatory. What > > I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and > > then > > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and > > 45 > > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing > > but > > also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 > > minutes > > to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against > > compression > > probably is a little more efficient than not. > >Sounds like a fun experiment, Larry. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 23 19:07:10 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:07:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63A1B1D7C2D94EF3839F4B7B4E264705@regpc> Out of interest, the one I own has a double lobe cam, making it a normal 4 cycle engine. It is original and could have been an export engine as they were sold for a while in Western Australia only. I know of only 3 original imports over here. I dont know about the cams on the others. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > Jim, > > The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft > gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam > shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold > the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the > governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away > with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air > cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to > dump > the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing > of > the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. > > Larry > > At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >>How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >>the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. >> Jim K. > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 19:46:50 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Larry for your detailed explanation.I got to look up both the Aeromotor and Gade when I get home. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Larry Evans Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim, The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to dump the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing of the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. Larry At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 20:25:54 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:25:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <443978.1269393749640.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <86CEB357F0D84809AD3F06CAF4F4A79F@laruecounty.courthouse> That's exactly what happens! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Is an Otto some sort of mind altering drink that you and Mike came up with Steve? Told Tommy that you had an Otto for him and the next thing he knew was there was less engines in the barn and you were not there. Tim From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:35:09 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:35:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry: In a word, Interesting! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Elden: > > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while > back with the 50 hp. > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount > Wilson Observatory. What > I did was run the engine up to its regulated > speed of 290 rpm. and then > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It > took 2 minutes and 45 > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did > the exact same thing but > also opened the compression releases at shut > down. It took just 2 minutes > to come to a stop which indicates to me that > governing against compression > probably is a little more efficient than not. > > Larry From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:44:24 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:44:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, > Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems > to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on > behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine > is not working as a true compressor when it is in > "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and > expanded, acting more like a spring - taking > energy on compression and giving (most of) it > back on expansion. From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:46:20 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:46:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: Which came first, the semi automatic or the automatic version? For an obscure (to me at least) engine, there sure seems to be a lot of interest. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Jim, > The McVickers were built in models some > call "fully automatic" > and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube > video is a semi automatic. > They had a valve chest on the side of the engine > rather than the valve > underneath. The fully automatic's are like the > one Steve Royster has > (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is > piston tripped on the > semi's. Both miss under compression. If you > notice the one in the > video its very smooth and you really can't tell > that its missing under > compression. The secret to these engines running > good is for them to > have great compression. If they do, then they > compress the charge and > then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to > push the piston back > out. The action/reaction is equalized. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:55:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:55:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: I think that we agree to disagree. :-) Just - PLEASE don't park your Fogger ...... er.......MAYTAG MOTOR next to me, lest I'm forced to do to yours what he did to his, using a rather cumbersome woodworking tool. Oh, yes - Dave and I were talking at Zolfo a couple of years ago and the subject of yourself came up. I think I dimly recall from many years back, someone by that name, a teenage exchange student I only knew as "Dolly". It was in the mid nineteen sixties and I was working as an all-nightrock-n-roll disc jockey (The Rudy Ratfink Show) at WAKY-AM in Louisville, KY, spinning the hits of the day. A rather hippie looking girl visited the transmitter site where I ran the show ....... I dimly recall rigging a trapeze from the framing of the antenna common-point tuner from which she performed some rather interesting acrobatics. Was that, perhaps, you? Mabe I remember in error. If so, my apologies. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Elden and Dave > > Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s > > Dolly From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 07:02:38 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: J.B.: First, I enjoyed finally meeting you at Zolfo. It's always nice to meet someone I've corresponded with for years. You are "sort of" right about the heat of compression being a negative. Remember, though, that when the gas is expanded on the return stroke, the heat is given back up. Of course, not all of the heat/pressure is exchanged either way so the process isn't 100 percent efficient. To the list: I apologize for J.B. and myself for being off-topic for talking about engines. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 06:05 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the > cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 > cycles took this to the extreme, intake, > compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. > When you compress air you're making heat as in a > Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about > engines on this list? > J.B. Castagnos > Bele Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 07:07:08 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <63A1B1D7C2D94EF3839F4B7B4E264705@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: A few years ago, I also restored a 4-cycle Aermotor. The 4-cycle cam runs at a quarter crankshaft speed but has two lobes on it. There aren't many of those around. BTW, they can be converted back and forth from 4-cycle to 8-cycle by simply punching out the taper pin and swapping cams. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 09:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Out of interest, the one I own has a double lobe > cam, making it a normal 4 > cycle engine. It is original and could have been > an export engine as they > were sold for a while in Western Australia only. > I know of only 3 original > imports over here. I dont know about the cams on > the others. > Reg & Marg Ingold From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 24 06:55:52 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:55:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The one that is referred to as fully automatic is the first version. This model is like Steve's and has the piston located under the engine that activates the exhaust valve. I've seen a few of these in a hopper cooled version but most were tank cooled. The later style has the valve box on the side with the pushrod run from a cam on the crankshaft. Most all of these are hopper cooled. Both are neat engines for sure. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 08:56:00 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:56:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: Thanks! Now I know the McVickerish I'm building is based on the original design. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 08:56 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > The one that is referred to as fully automatic is > the first version. > This model is like Steve's and has the piston > located under the engine > that activates the exhaust valve. I've seen a > few of these in a hopper > cooled version but most were tank cooled. The > later style has the valve > box on the side with the pushrod run from a cam > on the crankshaft. Most > all of these are hopper cooled. Both are neat > engines for sure. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Mar 24 08:16:47 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:16:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAA2CDF.5030108@insulate.co.uk> Hi Elden I must have a word with Dave if he didn't put you right on that one. The mid nineteen sixties was when I put in my first appearance on this planet,so it's unlikely you saw me and my trapeze act then. Perhaps it was an ancestor of mine .... Dolly On 24/03/2010 13:55, Elden DuRand wrote: > Dolly: > > I think that we agree to disagree. :-) > > Just - PLEASE don't park your Fogger ...... er.......MAYTAG MOTOR next to me, lest I'm forced to do to yours what he did to his, using a rather cumbersome woodworking tool. > > Oh, yes - Dave and I were talking at Zolfo a couple of years ago and the subject of yourself came up. I think I dimly recall from many years back, someone by that name, a teenage exchange student I only knew as "Dolly". > > It was in the mid nineteen sixties and I was working as an all-nightrock-n-roll disc jockey (The Rudy Ratfink Show) at WAKY-AM in Louisville, KY, spinning the hits of the day. A rather hippie looking girl visited the transmitter site where I ran the show ....... I dimly recall rigging a trapeze from the framing of the antenna common-point tuner from which she performed some rather interesting acrobatics. > > Was that, perhaps, you? > > Mabe I remember in error. If so, my apologies. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 12:08:01 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:08:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: The more obscure an engine is the more interesting it is. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 9:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Tommy: Which came first, the semi automatic or the automatic version? For an obscure (to me at least) engine, there sure seems to be a lot of interest. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Jim, > The McVickers were built in models some > call "fully automatic" > and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube > video is a semi automatic. > They had a valve chest on the side of the engine > rather than the valve > underneath. The fully automatic's are like the > one Steve Royster has > (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is > piston tripped on the > semi's. Both miss under compression. If you > notice the one in the > video its very smooth and you really can't tell > that its missing under > compression. The secret to these engines running > good is for them to > have great compression. If they do, then they > compress the charge and > then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to > push the piston back > out. The action/reaction is equalized. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 12:44:26 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:44:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: Elden, I looked up the patent to better understand the design. After reading the patent I wonder if McVickers took his inspiration from a gas operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 9:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, > Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems > to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on > behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine > is not working as a true compressor when it is in > "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and > expanded, acting more like a spring - taking > energy on compression and giving (most of) it > back on expansion. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 15:13:54 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BAA2CDF.5030108@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: Egad! You are, indeed a spring chick(en)! A mere child! What are you doing hanging around with an old mouldy coot like Dave? Maybe the aforementioned girl was your maiden Aunt. Take care - Elden, another mouldy old coot. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Elden > > I must have a word with Dave if he didn't put you > right on that one. > The mid nineteen sixties was when I put in my > first appearance on this > planet,so it's unlikely you saw me and my trapeze > act then. Perhaps it > was an ancestor of mine .... > > Dolly From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 15:16:31 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:16:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Elden, > I looked up the patent to better understand the > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > Jim K From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Mar 24 14:39:46 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:39:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100324173842.0d35a660@ncweb.com> You mean it makes a "Ting!" sound on every 8th stoke? Dave Merchant At 06:16 PM 3/24/2010, Elden DuRand wrote: >Jim: > >I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a >startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. > >I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more >pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > > > Elden, > > I looked up the patent to better understand the > > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > > Jim K > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 14:46:35 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:46:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: The McVicker would be a lot more pleasant to be around for sure. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 6:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Elden, > I looked up the patent to better understand the > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 16:02:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:02:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100324173842.0d35a660@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave M. (as opposed to Dave R.): Not exactly but there's a chance you could get an "M-1 Thumb" from cranking it the wrong way. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Merchant > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 04:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; The SEL email > discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > You mean it makes a "Ting!" sound on every 8th stoke? > > Dave Merchant > > > At 06:16 PM 3/24/2010, Elden DuRand wrote: > >Jim: > > > >I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the > McVicker engine bears a > >startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of > WWII fame, among others. > > > >I'm almost certain the sound of an operating > McVicker engine is much more > >pleasing to the ear than the sound of an > operating M1. :-) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 18:13:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:13:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: New announcement: Fraudsters Charged In-Reply-To: <20100326001813.7DE582155BB@mx.scuztech.com> Message-ID: This from TOMM regarding the fraudsters who were causing problems here in Oz. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html ------ Forwarded Message From: Old Machinery Forums Dear Editor Could you pass on to your readers that Rodney Worth and others including Stuart Gorman and Michelle Barnes were charged in Lake Illawarra with a number of fraud offences. I will contact the people I had previously contacted regarding statements as we've been pretty busy. If there are other victims, could they contact me on email as I believe the name of Webb may have also been used recently. Thank you, Darren Kelly Lake Illawarra Police NSW Email: kell3dar at police.nsw.gov.au Phone: 02 4295 2640 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 18:38:11 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Message-ID: "Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-)" Elden, that depends entirely on the circumstances in which you find yourself, modifiable by which end of the rifle you are looking at - the round end, or the oblong end. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "He got that right," Hathcock said. "It was the hunt, not the killing." Carlos_Hathcock _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 26 07:03:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I MUCH prefer the oblong end of the rifle but still prefer the sound of the engine. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 08:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > "Jim: > > I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the > McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance > to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. > > I'm almost certain the sound of an operating > McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the > ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-)" > > Elden, that depends entirely on the circumstances > in which you find yourself, modifiable by > which end of the rifle you are looking at - the > round end, or the oblong end. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 07:57:23 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Keep it up Elden?and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring my Shotgun Maytag. I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to then I will. ? I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does not know how to start a Maytag ENGINE. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM Dave: Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices.? The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal.? After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. Others may differ.? ? ? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >? Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > on a MAYTAG operate? > either! > ??? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 27 11:32:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: So, YOU are the guy who had the Maytag MOTOR at Portland, hooked to an old shotgun! It sounded just like that gun woulda sounded if it were firing black powder shells ....... AND it smoked like it, too! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 09:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Keep it up Elden?and I will just HAVE TO make it > to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day > but if I have to then I will. > ? > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just > because he does not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > ? > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand > wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any > time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag > "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth > of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted > daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the > hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered > by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, > in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up > show grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in > actuality, they are just very efficient coasting > devices.? The only energy actually converted is > that which is required to keep them turning after > repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" > pedal.? After all the kicking and cussing, their > only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ.? ? ? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >? Behalf Of David > > Rotigel > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > > on a MAYTAG operate? > > either! > > ??? Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Mar 27 12:31:05 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:31:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3016968C-A378-4128-B151-8A84D7E85190@me.com> Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG > "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just > very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 14:56:59 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <3016968C-A378-4128-B151-8A84D7E85190@me.com> Message-ID: <652609.22198.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Dave, Axe my Maytag and I will axe you. I do not take threats well at all. ? Alan --- On Sat, 3/27/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 3:31 PM Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I? assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! ??? Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to? FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to? > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does? > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG? > "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag "motor" owners have widely? > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel? > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product? > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product? > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show? > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just? > very efficient coasting devices.? The only energy actually converted? > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly? > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal.? After all the kicking? > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and? > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ.? ? ? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>???Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >>? ???Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 27 15:32:58 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:32:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <652609.22198.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <90B0EAF100F141D3B9FB77FFB3869BCA@regpc> Cabin Fever. Sigh! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Hey Dave, Axe my Maytag and I will axe you. I do not take threats well at all. Alan --- On Sat, 3/27/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 3:31 PM Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG > "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just > very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 29 04:13:44 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:13:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] FE Myers & Bros pump jack info needed Message-ID: <690448633.12696341269861224103.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All, Looking for an operators/service manual for my F.E. Myers & Bros. pumpjack (not the piston pump but the Jack for hooking up to the pump). I have already contacted Ken Christison and been told its about a 1935 model. Model No. V2950AMTS, Ser: 104851. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Curt Andree From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 06:02:46 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:02:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: test. Haven't been able to send in a couple weeks. testie Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 29 06:18:13 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:18:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <69e3d.6fb9a7c5.38e20295@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:12:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: Haven't been able to send in a couple weeks. testie Good test! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 04:48:20 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:48:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?I_think_I_messed_me_drawers=FE?= Message-ID: I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple weeks ago but haven't been able to send to the SEL. I'm finally able to send again for some reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of you....... Came across this video and thought some of you would enjoy seeing it!! Looks like a fun time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 05:01:44 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:01:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Help_ID_These_Items_Please_-_these_links_s?= =?windows-1256?q?hould_work=FE?= Message-ID: As I said in my other note, I haven't been able to send in a couple weeks to the SEL so am sending this now..... Thanks for the help trying to identify my parts. This was identified as a Nelson Bros carb. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG These coils were identified as being from a light plant. The spring looking thing under the cap is a resistor to cut down the 32v. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG This item could not be identified though: Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379. Could this part be off of a Model T Ford or something? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 30 07:12:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:12:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Manufacturer Database Message-ID: Gang: An Aussie friend is compiling a database of companies and brand names for Brons and Hvid engines and has a question. He read that Fricks and A.S. Fricks (U.S.) and Fricks (Danish) both produced Brons engines. He then got a letter saying that neither company made spray cup engines. "I am not sure about Fricks which is a Danish company but i will do more checking on this one but what can you find out about A.S.Fricks which was an American Co. and made lots of different engines and Traction engines too can you find out for me if they made or sold Hvid engines either made by them or re badged please." Can anyone shed light on this? You can see the database by going to my web page, then to The Homebrew Hvid. Any additions, corrections or comments would be greatly appreciated. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 30 07:20:18 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I think I messed me drawers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Luke: I bet those guys had to do some laundering on their underclothes after that fiasco. It pays to check the oil on them-there 2-cycle Diesels! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Luke > Tonneberger > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 06:48 AM > To: Engine List > Subject: [SEL] I think I messed me drawers? > > > > I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple > weeks ago but haven't been able to send to the > SEL. I'm finally able to send again for some > reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of > you....... > > > > Came across this video and thought some of you > would enjoy seeing it!! Looks like a fun time! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 30 06:44:19 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:44:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?I_think_I_messed_me_drawers=E2=80=8F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22740823-5D53-4CB7-812A-699326E7DF82@me.com> I know the feeling. Some of you may recall the Austral last year at Portland when the vapor spring became too week to shut off the kero. Dave On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple weeks ago but haven't > been able to send to the SEL. I'm finally able to send again for > some reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of you....... > > > > Came across this video and thought some of you would enjoy seeing > it!! Looks like a fun time! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related > > Luke Tonneberger > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 30 12:33:32 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? Message-ID: When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought the first of April had come 2 days early. The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being copied assembled but still moving against each other. I do hope that is genuine though!! http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Mar 30 12:56:58 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:56:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? Message-ID: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> It is very real Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 "Dave Croft" writes: > When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought > the first of April had come 2 days early. > The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being > copied assembled but still moving against each other. > I do hope that is genuine though!! > http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df0 5a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 > > Dave Croft > Warrington. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# ____________________________________________________________ Free Credit Score A bad credit score is below 598. Click here to see yours for $0. Checking won't affect your score. By Experian® http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bb257e95e3ff178b3st02vuc From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 30 13:47:52 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:47:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? In-Reply-To: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F39AC2E5F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> My brother-in-law owns one of those 3D printers. Not sure what model of printer he has, but the same manufacturer. Don't know if he's got a 3D scanner or not. I do know he used to 3D printer to make some casting patterns for me. I saw the video a year or two ago, so it isn't something new. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:57 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? It is very real Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 "Dave Croft" writes: > When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought > the first of April had come 2 days early. > The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being > copied assembled but still moving against each other. > I do hope that is genuine though!! > http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df0 5a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 > > Dave Croft > Warrington. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# ____________________________________________________________ Free Credit Score A bad credit score is below 598. Click here to see yours for $0. Checking won't affect your score. 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From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 31 11:32:00 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals Message-ID: Gang: I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From r7734g at hotmail.com Wed Mar 31 12:40:05 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden You might as well deep six the Simpson manuals because all the 260 series manuals are available as PDFs on line. Go to http://www.simpson260.com/ for a complete listing from the old Series 1 from the 1930s up to the most recent version. That link has manuals, photos, specifications, history etc.. RonG > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > Gang: > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Mar 31 12:16:03 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden; I'd very much like the simpson info Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > Gang: > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 31 13:43:35 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:43:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals Message-ID: <714dc.fe5ab76.38e50df7@aol.com> My old Simpson 260 just went kput. I failed to check the batteries and they corroded with some getting on the printed circuit. I cleaned as much as possible, but the meter is doing weird things when checking stuff. So, good by to an old faithful meter I have had for a long time. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 31 15:52:11 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank: I'll send 'em to you but do I have to put the grid coordinates on the address label? :-) Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of frank > skinner > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 02:16 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > > > Elden; > > I'd very much like the simpson info > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > > > Gang: > > > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found > manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 1 09:21:11 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:21:11 GMT Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands Message-ID: <20100301.122111.9427.9@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi List, Anyone who gets the Farm and Dairy newspaper, from Ohio, there is a nice article written by Tom G. Downing (N.W. PA Steam Engine & Old Power Assc.) concerning the Tod engine project and Rick Rolands. He is also promoting their books on the subject. See Farm and Dairy, Thursday, Feb. 25th, 2010 I didn't look but it might be on line at: www.farmanddairy.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Drive like it was your kid (_o_) playing in the street. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=PLR2xANyvw6Njozk9OT2AAAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 2 12:42:22 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle> <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Mar 2 13:57:43 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:57:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George; you could always try more counter weight, like they do on cranes Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! > > George > > > Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 2 14:57:39 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:57:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle><6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Mar 2 15:22:41 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:22:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle><6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <002301caba5f$41b21610$0201a8c0@mikecomp> George, I did the same about 3 years ago and was the best $$$$ I spent in a long time. Loading, putting engines on carts, instant jack, you name it, what apowerful tool. Of course I got a good used one cause my brother raised me to pinch those pennies. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my > stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which > exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out > into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it > around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may > still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one > instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use > more than you have! > > George > > > Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, > and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 15:35:56 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:35:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Message-ID: I agree they are wonderful tools to have in the hobby. Don't know how I would manage without one. I have 4000 lb Yale and I've picked up 6000 lbs and moved it before Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mike Royster Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:22:41 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy George, ? I did the same about 3 years ago and was the best $$$$ I spent in a long time.? Loading, putting engines on carts, instant jack, you name it, what apowerful tool.? Of course I got a good used one cause my brother raised me to pinch those pennies. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy > Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. > > For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my > stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which > exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. > > I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out > into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it > around! > > Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may > still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one > instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use > more than you have! > > George > > > Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, > and 48" forks. > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 2 15:38:46 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:38:46 -0000 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy >> From: George_Best at adp.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:42:22 -0600 >> Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy >> Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. >> For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several >> things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. >> I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers >> to move it around! >> Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a >> 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! >> George >> Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. > George; > you could always try more counter weight, like they do on cranes > Franklin S. Skinner On this subject, me and my friend visited Denmarks first Stationary Engine collector, Jens Lauritsen many years ago. As we arrived Jens was trying to move a large 12 HP horizontal engine in to the museum but the weight was so heavy that it tipped the tractor that he had attached a fork lift on the back of so the front wheels were off the ground! He asked us and we obliged to sit astride the engine to get the front wheels down so he could steer through the museum doorway. Happy memories! Dave Croft From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 2 16:35:21 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:35:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands References: <20100301.122111.9427.9@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <026001caba69$684c6550$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to pick up a copy tomorrow while I am out. I have been quite busy lately with the new Westinghouse engine project. I spent several hours today looking through engineering drawings and found the original foundation drawing for the engine, as well as about 200 more that were just too neat not to copy. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Rick Rowlands > Hi List, > Anyone who gets the Farm and Dairy newspaper, from Ohio, there is a nice > article written by Tom G. Downing (N.W. PA Steam Engine & Old Power Assc.) > concerning the Tod engine project and Rick Rolands. He is also promoting > their books on the subject. > See Farm and Dairy, Thursday, Feb. 25th, 2010 > I didn't look but it might be on line at: www.farmanddairy.com > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ Drive like it was your kid > (_o_) playing in the street. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=PLR2xANyvw6Njozk9OT2AAAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 17:15:30 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:15:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <911374.31256.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 2 19:45:28 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:45:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy References: <911374.31256.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They take the fun out of everything. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run. No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift. Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead! Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps. It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 02:52:28 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 02:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <769917.88099.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Back around 2004 to 2006 I had a warehouse job. There were five forklifts there, Two?electrics and three LP ones. Only the old green one was a real lifter. I loved it but the other guys all wanted the bigger and newer Clark. I set one load down and a guy tried to move it with the bigger Clark. He couldn't pick it up. ? I like the three levers for lift, tilt and shift forks instead of the one lever does it all ones. I am so happy we have a forklift like that where I work now. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:45 PM They take the fun out of everything. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy All that only works on the old ones. Any newer forklift has a pressure release and will not lift anything heavier than it is rated to lift. Alan in Michigan 35 years on forklifts. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:57 PM You could make up a box that sits on the counterweight of the forklift and throw in a couple hundred pounds of whatever in on the rare occasion you need a little more lift. In a shop that I worked in we just had a couple guys sit on the back-end when we needed a little extra lift capacity.Yeah I know it wasn't real safe but that was back in the good old days when men were men, women were bored, and sheep were nervous. ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 3:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy Yesterday I bought a 5k lb capacity forklift. For years I've used my Bobcat with pallet forks for moving most of my stuff around, but in the past year have gotten several things which exceeded the Bobcat's capacity. I'm looking forward to be able to get my biggest non-portable engine out into the daylight to run.? No more using pipes as rollers to move it around! Unfortunately a heavy piece of machinery I bought a couple years ago may still be too much for the forklift.? Should have gotten a 6k capacity one instead!? Guess it is like shop size or storage space, you can always use more than you have! George Ps.? It's a LP powered Yale with pneumatic tires, sideshift, triple-mast, and 48" forks. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Mar 3 05:06:42 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:06:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September Message-ID: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Hi All I have been talking to Barry Tuller this evening my time about the R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant, Iowa. Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm If you plan to attend please get your registrations in ASAP so the Midwest Old Threshers Club can cater and so the Show Packs can be purchased. If you get in past the cut off date then you will not be guaranteed the Special R&V Show Merchandise that will be in the show packs. The letter from Barry and my web site have accommodation info, registration form, a letter explaining what is happening and a poster that you can hand around to your club members. I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. There may not ever be another large gathering of R&V engine in one place again for quite some time, so do not miss out. Remember we want you and your engines. We have the grand daughter and great grand sons of William Van Dervoort attending the show also. So come on guys and gals, book your vacation time, save up your gas money and be there. More info will be sent out as it comes to me from Barry. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 08:09:25 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September In-Reply-To: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <36265.65872.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My neighbor and I will be there with his R&V engines, some literature and his R & V oil can, a little treasure he got on eBay a few years back. Anyone who hasn't been to the Mt. Pleasant show really owes it to themselves to take it in. There are lots of steam engines and tractors in operation, lots of gas engines and a really good variety of permanent displays. Even if the show is rained out, there is so much to see in the museum buildings that you can spend a couple of days enjoying it. See you there, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Peter Lowe wrote: From: Peter Lowe Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September To: "Oldengine.org" , "ATIS" Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:06 AM Hi All I have been talking to Barry Tuller this evening my time about the R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant, Iowa. Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm If you plan to attend please get your registrations in ASAP so the Midwest Old Threshers Club can cater and so the Show Packs can be purchased. If you get in past the cut off date then you will not be guaranteed the Special R&V Show Merchandise that will be in the show packs. The letter from Barry and my web site have accommodation info, registration form, a letter explaining what is happening and a poster that you can hand around to your club members. I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. There may not ever be another large gathering of R&V engine in one place again for quite some time, so do not miss out. Remember we want you and your engines. We have the grand daughter and great grand sons of William Van Dervoort attending the show also. So come on guys and gals, book your vacation time, save up your gas money and be there. More info will be sent out as it comes to me from Barry. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 3 20:44:00 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:44:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September In-Reply-To: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> References: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'day Pete, I hope that you're gonna come over a couple of weeks early and do Baraboo and Portland before the big R&V shindig? It would be nuts to travel all that way for just one show. See ya, Arnie On Wed, March 3, 2010 8:06 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a letter from > Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the > information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm > > I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show and I would > very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 4 01:29:36 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:29:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V Expo at Mt Pleasant in September References: <400F0B35E6E045AD841099EB990A785E@peterlowe> Message-ID: Planning Portland but time off work is a killer. I am mainly doing this for R&V research. Pete. > G'day Pete, > > I hope that you're gonna come over a couple of weeks early and do Baraboo > and > Portland before the big R&V shindig? It would be nuts to travel all that > way for > just one show. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, March 3, 2010 8:06 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Everyone that attended the 2003 Factory Centenary Re-Union should get a >> letter from >> Barry promoting the coming show. If you were not there and would like the >> information pack, please click below here for the relevent documents: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/R&V-2010.htm >> >> I am coming over from Australia, around 14,000 miles, just for this show >> and I would >> very much like to meet as many R&V Register members as possible. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 06:22:38 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? Wink From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 7 07:55:34 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:55:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > days....is the SEL down? > > Wink From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 7 06:57:35 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:57:35 EST Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <7a290.6aed60b4.38c518df@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/2010 9:32:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, winkandginger at aol.com writes: is the SEL down Not from here, just a very slow time of the year as it is warming up and most of the snow is gone. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 07:14:10 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:14:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the reply guys, i was about to get the shakes, thinking I had lost my SEL!! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden DuRand To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 7:55 am Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? Wink: Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > days....is the SEL down? > > Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 7 08:58:25 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:58:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC8C18C6589FEC-1DFC-14EFF@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6994F341-FA4E-43A5-8806-7B1C52B9664A@rustyiron.com> On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:22 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > > Wink Hey, Wink. Did you arrange with the boss to get time off to come up to Tulare? It's not far off. From dleis at centurytel.net Sun Mar 7 09:27:21 2010 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:27:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] just a test Message-ID: <6748A612FA2547A8BCED6360FCFDB31B@OwnerPC> Hi List Just a test. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 7 09:29:23 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:29:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 07/03/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? >Wink Hi Wink, Coming through fine here but very quiet. Why not spend the time getting that new tag on the Lambert? Keep well, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 7 09:36:18 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> Just relax pour a nice stiff adult beverage. Alls well with the list, GRINNNNNN. When the snow melts and yah can get in the yard to start clean it up engine things slow down. Sales do to. I'm already buying garden seed and getting ready to do the first spray of the fruit trees of the year. 6 Weeks to LeSueur Swap 10 weeks to Portland Swap Maytag Mark At 10:14 AM 3/7/2010, you wrote: > Thanks for the reply guys, i was about to get the shakes, thinking > I had lost my SEL!! > >Wink > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elden DuRand >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 7:55 am >Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? > > >Wink: > >Naah. It's okay ....... You just woke me up. :-) > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 08:23 AM > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > > > > > > I haven't received any posts for a few > > days....is the SEL down? > > > > Wink > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2728 - Release Date: >03/07/10 07:34:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 7 10:06:01 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100307192731.00cd7a18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <2609B920-F478-40CA-A4F0-FBC3BD6E1027@rustyiron.com> On Mar 7, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Wink, > Coming through fine here but very quiet. Why not spend the > time > getting that new tag on the Lambert? Good idea, Wink! When you finally cave in and sell me the Lambert, I want it to have a nice tag on it. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Mar 7 10:46:32 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:46:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <20100307.104733.13717.120428@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> This one made it to me Wink. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:22:38 -0500 winkandginger at aol.com writes: > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > > Wink ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=FfS2bRi6DDciAET2VtaBHwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From gibsongus at earthlink.net Sun Mar 7 21:04:34 2010 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:04:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [SEL] What happened? Message-ID: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Now see what you did you woke some guys up..... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Mar 7, 2010 6:22 AM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From winkandginger at aol.com Sun Mar 7 21:27:10 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:27:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What happened? In-Reply-To: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12983798.1268024674986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC8C97230781B4-1DFC-1F9B2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Well, Gus.....there must have been a lot of sleepers, 'cause there were a lot of reply's ........and the Lambert gets the new tag mounted this week......(thanks Jerry, you did an excellent job!). Wink -----Original Message----- From: Gus To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] What happened? Now see what you did you woke some guys up..... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Mar 7, 2010 6:22 AM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] What happened? > > > I haven't received any posts for a few days....is the SEL down? > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 8 07:00:41 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:00:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? Message-ID: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Anyone still getting messages through slick? -- Steve W. From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 8 07:18:32 2010 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:18:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Message-ID: <9FE80C8540C54F1084FC4ADBFBFB01F9@YOURDA6F5028CB> It say's it's disabled Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "Engine list" ; "ATIS LIST" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? > Anyone still getting messages through slick? > > -- > Steve W. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Frank at lbpinc.com Mon Mar 8 07:22:37 2010 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:22:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? In-Reply-To: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> Jim's in Florida at the Flywheelers and Zolfo and ???. He's been trying to fix things remotely, but I think it's not working. From Arnie Frank At 10:00 AM 3/8/2010, you wrote: >Anyone still getting messages through slick? > >-- >Steve W. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date: >03/08/10 02:34:00 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:47:15 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:47:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:50:46 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work Message-ID: OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... --------------------------- Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 07:57:21 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:57:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: none of your links work for me Tom Winland Ohio > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:47:15 +0000 > Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG > > > > > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG > > > > > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG > > > > > > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 8 07:54:11 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:54:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <059D4A8745CB4C05BC085AB859F1A556@laruecounty.courthouse> Luke, When I try to click on them it keeps telling me "page not found". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:47 AM To: Engine List; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 08:05:37 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:05:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: looks like a nelson bros carb > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 8 08:16:09 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:16:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got 'em to work this time Luke. Not sure what that baby is. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:47 AM To: Engine List; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please Hi Everyone, I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602.JPG This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609.JPG This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612.JPG Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 8 08:54:09 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:54:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>, <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F373DA48B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F375ECE42@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday was the first day I got to seriously use my forklift. Moved several engines around in both the shop part and storage part of my pole barn. Was nice being able to move the big 12hp Ingeco SS into the shop area. Last time I moved the Ingeco we used pry bars and rollers just to get it unloaded from the trailer and moved against a wall in the barn. So much easier being able to just pick it up and move it over to the shop! The forklift handled it without any problem. Still need to move some more stuff around before I try lifting the big Kearney & Trecker 3B universal mill. It's right at the capacity of the forklift. Anyone want to buy a 2.5 ton milling machine for cheap? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From falcon at telenet.net Mon Mar 8 09:03:50 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:03:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Slick list gone? In-Reply-To: <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <4B951119.8040302@telenet.net> <20100308152303.3648558B53@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <4B952DF6.8000009@telenet.net> Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > Jim's in Florida at the Flywheelers and Zolfo and ???. He's been trying to fix > things remotely, but I think it's not working. > From Arnie > > Frank > Thanks Frank. -- Steve W. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 16:19:55 2010 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luke, Looking at Hit n Miss Enterprises web page on the part cross reference page. There is a Monmouth engine listing - Nelson brothers made engine with a part number P4 for mixer body. http://www.hitnmiss.com/partcros.html Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe something else. Ed Herreid > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > OOOOooops, I forgot the letter "F" in the addresses. Try the links below again, they should work now....... > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 17:22:48 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:22:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] My new (old) toy In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F375ECE42@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <577848.34970.qm@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> YES, Just deliver it here?free. Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] My new (old) toy To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 11:54 AM Yesterday was the first day I got to seriously use my forklift.? Moved several engines around in both the shop part and storage part of my pole barn.? Was nice being able to move the big 12hp Ingeco SS into the shop area.? Last time I moved the Ingeco we used pry bars and rollers just to get it unloaded from the trailer and moved against a wall in the barn.? So much easier being able to just pick it up and move it over to the shop!? The forklift handled it without any problem. Still need to move some more stuff around before I try lifting the big Kearney & Trecker 3B universal mill.? It's right at the capacity of the forklift.? Anyone want to buy a 2.5 ton milling machine for cheap? George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 9 04:28:41 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:28:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Ed, I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure what they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and spring under the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with the fuel pump check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope someone recognizes these things. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== > From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > > Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe something else. > > Ed Herreid > > > > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help with ID's. > > > > > > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG > > > > > > > > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it goes to?: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG > > > > > > > > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG > > > > > > > > > > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring underneath it for? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Mar 9 07:41:20 2010 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:41:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work References: , Message-ID: Hi Luke, I don't recognize any of them. The coil may have been oil filled and vented. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work > > Hi Ed, > > > > I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure what > they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and spring under > the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with the fuel pump > check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope someone recognizes > these things. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > =============================== > >> From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:19:55 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work >> >> >> >> Have you run engines with the coils? Are they engine coils or maybe >> something else. >> >> Ed Herreid >> >> >> > From: flywheelin at hotmail.com >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:50:46 +0000 >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > I have several items that have been laying around and I need some help >> > with ID's. >> > >> > >> > Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and >> > there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. >> > Looks like casting numbers are 62379: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > This mixer appears to have "P4" in the casting, any clue what engine it >> > goes to?: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-607F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-609F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > This appears to be some sort of coil, is it? What is the little cap >> > with spring underneath it for? >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-611F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-612F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Same thing with this item, coil? What is the little cap with spring >> > underneath it for? >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-613F.JPG >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-614F.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > Luke Tonneberger >> > Rockford, Michigan >> > USA >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Mar 9 08:19:37 2010 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:19:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help ID These Items Please - these links should work In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4B967519.2080406@telenet.net> Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Ed, > > > > I haven't tried anything with the coil looking things. I'm not sure > what they are. They look like a coil but are odd, with the cap and > spring under the cap. I figured someone on here would know. Same with > the fuel pump check valve looking thing. I'll sit tight and hope > someone recognizes these things. > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA The first one sort of looks like a pressure relief valve of some type. The spring items sort of look like open wire resistors. Do they connect to anything or are they a one piece spring? I also wonder if those were/are oil filled and that is some type of vent. -- Steve W. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 02:57:24 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:57:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem Message-ID: The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer but I have been doing a little work on the small R&Vs in spare moments. Tonight I spent some time on the BL 2hp. I have been working on it off and on for some time but keep getting discouraged as no matter what I did or what I made a head gasket out of it would blow almost immediately. When I first brought the engine home I replaced the ratty head that had been drilled, plugged and heavily brazed with an immaculate spare one I had on the shelf. Tonight I pulled out the original head, cleaned it up and put the valves back in it. The R&V started first pull and the head gasket is holding well with a few minutes running. Obviously the 'good' head is slightly warped and will need a little tidying up before I use it again but for now the R&V is running sweet. I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now for the other two... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Mar 11 03:34:19 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:34:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem References: Message-ID: I only use annealed copper gaskets on those types of heads. Om my R&V the first gasket I made was from a heat resistance gasket material and first bang it blew out.. The original gasket on the engine was copper but it was damaged. So I made one from copper the same as the original and no more problems. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines > The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer > but > I have been doing a little work on the small R&Vs in spare moments. > Tonight I spent some time on the BL 2hp. > I have been working on it off and on for some time but keep getting > discouraged as no matter what I did or what I made a head gasket out of it > would blow almost immediately. > When I first brought the engine home I replaced the ratty head that had > been > drilled, plugged and heavily brazed with an immaculate spare one I had on > the shelf. Tonight I pulled out the original head, cleaned it up and put > the > valves back in it. The R&V started first pull and the head gasket is > holding > well with a few minutes running. Obviously the 'good' head is slightly > warped and will need a little tidying up before I use it again but for now > the R&V is running sweet. I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) > Now > for the other two... > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 11 04:26:38 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] R&V problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5851427375c0a97dd7c7166711674583.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Honeymoon project? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 11, 2010 5:57 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > The engines have been a little neglected with the wedding getting closer but > I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now > for the other two... From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Mar 11 05:20:59 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:20:59 EST Subject: [SEL] R&V problem Message-ID: <533d9.5c673f70.38ca483b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/11/2010 8:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: I now have four of my six R&Vs running well :) Now for the other two... Patrick, Always nice to solve a problem! Spring is here and I need to get some old engines fixed and running for upcoming shows. Thanks for giving me the incentive to get busy! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 11 07:33:30 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:33:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] R&V problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: I've also used solid copper. That gasket was made of 0.020" (0.508 mm) copper sheeting. As you, I annealed it and witness marked it so it could be at the same orientation upon re-installation. This gasket was made for my Homebrew Hvid engine (20:1 +,- compression ratio) and has never leaked despite being re-installed at least a dozen times during the debugging of the Hvid system. I'm not sure if it helped but I used a -very- thin coat of RTV gasket sealer each time and made sure all surfaces were scrupuously clean. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 05:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V problem > > > I only use annealed copper gaskets on those types > of heads. Om my R&V the > first gasket I made was from a heat resistance > gasket material and first > bang it blew out.. > The original gasket on the engine was copper but > it was damaged. So I made > one from copper the same as the original and no > more problems. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/ rvpage.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Mar 11 11:54:07 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:54:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, The lists are very quiet at the moment so for those of you longing for something engine related to read, I've just updated the page which holds the archive of "Paraffinalia - the newsletter" and "Cape Vintage Engine". "Paraffinalia" was the newsletter written by Andy Selfe from the Western Cape, South Africa from August 2000 until the last edition in early 2005. "Cape Vintage Engine" is it's successor written by Phil Gray-Taylor and Gordon Riley also of the Western Cape, South Africa. There is also a link on the page to e-mail Phil should you wish to subscribe to their newsletter. It's free, comes out bi-monthly and they will not give your address to any filthy spammers :-) It's here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Thu Mar 11 12:12:42 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:12:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to the Tulare show in April. Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows this year or just enjoy it at home. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Mar 11 17:32:59 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:32:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__R=26V_problem?= Message-ID: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. Joe ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 19:55:58 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem In-Reply-To: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: From: avanti_64 at juno.com Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. Joe ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 12 01:14:13 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem In-Reply-To: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>, <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe; Devcon steel putty & also a product called "QuikSteel" ,steel reinforced epoxy putty, works on things like that. Both can be drilled & tapped, if you need too. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 08:30:18 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:30:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around with the 3hp Gade. Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a charge. Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my top five. I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run really nice. How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp one, but don't know if there are others. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to the Tulare show in April. Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows this year or just enjoy it at home. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From langer5 at xplornet.ca Fri Mar 12 09:31:16 2010 From: langer5 at xplornet.ca (langer5 xplornet.ca) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Best, George wrote: > Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around > with the 3hp Gade. > > Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old > Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged > one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries > taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small > batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one > with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my > batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a > charge. > > Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to > smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the house. > Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that nice > exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > > It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to > least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my > top five. > > I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and > ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run really > nice. > > How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp > one, but don't know if there are others. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto: > sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lists are quiet!! > > Maybe I'll go out to the shop tonight and start up a couple engines! > > Last weekend I moved some engines around between the two parts of my pole > barn. I have a 24x30 shop area and 36x30 storage area. Both sides are > accessible by outside overhead doors, so moving an engine from one side to > the other involves taking it outside to get to the other side. My new > forklift certainly makes moving engines around a lot easier! > > Put the 3hp Gade into the shop area as it's the engine I plan on taking to > the Tulare show in April. > > Also put the 12hp Ingeco SS in the shop as I'd like to get some of the > plumbing worked out on it so it can be run. Might take it to a few shows > this year or just enjoy it at home. > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail > and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 10:04:27 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:04:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list. It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at engines. It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the flywheel. Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. When the time comes to move to a smaller place and only have a few engines, that Lorenz will be one I'll keep. I have a later Lorenz of the same size, plus a 5hp Benz that are nice, but I'd sell them for the right offer. My 5hp Ceres is close to the top as well and it will probably be one of my keepers. So the Lorenz, Ceres, and Gade are likely keepers. Of course if I get my big engines (18hp Stover, 12hp Ingeco SS) running nice, they would be hard to part with although they take up a lot of space. Might have to find other storage for them when the time comes to move to a smaller place. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of langer5 xplornet.ca Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Mar 12 11:46:28 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:46:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all of you great people in engine land, Seeing as that most people only read the first paragraph let me get the main question over and done with. I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and worthless to me. O.K. You guys who only read the first paragraph can hit the "Delete" key now as I'm going to explain the other part in the "Good stuff happens" subject of this mail. (And it could go on for a long time !!) I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of our engines came from Britain. I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my engine ? O.K. Guy's 'n Gals - that's all for tonight - gotta pour another one and get deeper into that box. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Mar 12 12:14:42 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:14:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20100311.203259.20111.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>, <816455.41216.qm@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve dale at kwikpolyllc.com > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 12:41:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <78a6cf382a528518e19ddc6f11d95acb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi George, Your Lorenz is, in fact, the second oldest one in the US. There are a total of nine older Lorenzes known; including two that are ignitor fired; and one of those is a runner. See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 1:04 pm, Best, George wrote: > My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list. It's an early one > and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this > for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet > running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at > engines. It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the > flywheel. Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Mar 12 12:33:13 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2D6464D90F244C8097BCD3942C628A94@laruecounty.courthouse> Here's the web site you can order Kwik Poly from. http://www.kwikpolyllc.com/ Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve dale at kwikpolyllc.com From skipl130 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 12:44:33 2010 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <141622.75961.qm@web112419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hi George, i got a notice today that my iron trader subscription expired. i renewed for 2 years a couple weeks ago with paypal. check on this if you would.? thanks, skip --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Best, George wrote: From: Best, George Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:04 AM Larry, My early Lorenz has got to be pretty close to the top of my list.? It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie has never confirmed this for me. Plus it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it.? It's a sweet running engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at engines.? It can sit for months and usually starts on the first 1/4 pull of the flywheel.? Just need to pull it over to trip the magneto and it is usually running. When the time comes to move to a smaller place and only have a few engines, that Lorenz will be one I'll keep. I have a later Lorenz of the same size, plus a 5hp Benz that are nice, but I'd sell them for the right offer. My 5hp Ceres is close to the top as well and it will probably be one of my keepers. So the Lorenz, Ceres, and Gade are likely keepers.? Of course if I get my big engines (18hp Stover, 12hp Ingeco SS) running nice, they would be hard to part with although they take up a lot of space.? Might have to find other storage for them when the time comes to move to a smaller place. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of langer5 xplornet.ca Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:31 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George - I don't have a Gade but!!!!! I do own a couple of Lorenz engines now and I saw the little one run at Mike's place. What a sweet running engine. I'm sure these Lorenz engines will be at the top of my list of favorite engines. These engines will always have good memories to go along with how well they run. Where do you put your Lorenz on your list of favorites???? Larry. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Mar 12 13:00:48 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:00:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad .adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> George, I've got a 1-1/2 hp "baby" Gade - does that count? My brother and I plan on taking it along with a Domestic and a United, both air cooled also, to Tulare. Larry Evans At 08:30 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote: >Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around >with the 3hp Gade. > >Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old >Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged >one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries >taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small >batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one >with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my >batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a >charge. > >Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to >smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the >house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that >nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > >It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to >least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my >top five. > >I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and >ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run >really nice. > >How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp >one, but don't know if there are others. > >George Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 12 13:21:30 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:30 GMT Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Message-ID: <20100312.162130.16331.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jerry, I was going to say that mine was found on the end of the crankshaft but you already looked there. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ Maybe not this year, but soon I think people will realize (_o_) that "Green" is a scam and things will get back to normal. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:46:28 +0200 Hi all of you great people in engine land, Seeing as that most people only read the first paragraph let me get the main question over and done with. I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and worthless to me. O.K. You guys who only read the first paragraph can hit the "Delete" key now as I'm going to explain the other part in the "Good stuff happens" subject of this mail. (And it could go on for a long time !!) I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of our engines came from Britain. I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my engine ? O.K. Guy's 'n Gals - that's all for tonight - gotta pour another one and get deeper into that box. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=grVCowLfxriyc_mMVMgEKwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 13:34:10 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:34:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure trove!! To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank shaft throws and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a look on your Witte. GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual S/N on your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the S/N from the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and if the engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, I think you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte CD engine to take a photo of the tag? There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte CD diesel". http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that parts are available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > worthless to me. > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > our engines came from Britain. > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > engine ? > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 13:45:38 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:45:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20100312125559.041e7ff0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F37911482@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, Of course it counts, it's a Gade! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet George, I've got a 1-1/2 hp "baby" Gade - does that count? My brother and I plan on taking it along with a Domestic and a United, both air cooled also, to Tulare. Larry Evans At 08:30 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote: >Last night a built a fire in the stove in the workshop, then played around >with the 3hp Gade. > >Took awhile to find a charged battery so I could run it. I use my old >Makita cordless 9.6v batteries on my engines, but couldn't find a charged >one. Plus I have a fair number of the small 12v power backup batteries >taken out of computer UPS units or phone system backups. These small >batteries are free but of questionable condition. Luckily I did find one >with a good charge. Got to make a note to myself to recharge all my >batteries before show season and get rid of the ones that no longer hold a >charge. > >Took a little playing around but got the Gade running and ran it enough to >smoke up the shop and get good and stinky before going back to the >house. Kathy just loves it when I've been running engines and get that >nice exhaust aroma in my hair and clothes! > >It would be hard to rank my engines as to which are my most favorite to >least favorite engines, but I would guess the Gade would need to be in my >top five. > >I really like the early style Gade with the cast iron fuel mixer and >ignitor. These are a nice heavy weight for their size engine and run >really nice. > >How many others on SEL have a Gade? I know one of the Roysters has a 6hp >one, but don't know if there are others. > >George Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Mar 12 13:48:54 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:48:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Arnie, Great minds think alike! ;-) Since Jerry is the engine tag man I almost posted a message saying he should just pick his favorite number from the shipping documents and make his own tag! You beat me to it. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:34 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure trove!! To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank shaft throws and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a look on your Witte. GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual S/N on your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the S/N from the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and if the engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, I think you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte CD engine to take a photo of the tag? There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte CD diesel". http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that parts are available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > worthless to me. > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and restore it. > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > our engines came from Britain. > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > engine ? > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 12 14:51:24 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:51:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Some guys have all the luck! Enjoy - - - AND have one for me! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 01:46 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 12 14:55:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:55:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Database Message-ID: Gang: Denis Basson, from Oz has compiled a Microsloth Excel database of Brons/Hvid engine manufacturers, brand names and horsepowers which I've posted on my Homebrew Hvid page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Homebrew%20Hvid/Homebrew_Hvid.html If you would like to take a look and see if you can add any information to the base, we'd be happy to rework the database. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 12 13:58:32 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:58:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> G'Day George Photo of the Gade? > it has a lot of original paint and stripping on it. It's a sweet running > engine and the engine I most often start when I have visitors looking at > engines. The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) > It's an early one and I only know of one older in the U.S.. Although Arnie > has never confirmed this for me. Good to see you have a forklift to do the hard work Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 14:12:13 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:12:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no. In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F379114A4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <75ead0e5ed872a2eb4b74e4a455773de.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> George, The more that I think about Jerry's good fortune, the more likely it seems that the engine and the paperwork have been reunited. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!! I think Jerry should too. 8-)) It's just too sweet not to. See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 4:48 pm, Best, George wrote: > > Great minds think alike! ;-) > > Since Jerry is the engine tag man I almost posted a message saying he should just > pick his favorite number from the shipping documents and make his own tag! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 12 14:13:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:13:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> Message-ID: 8-P On Fri, March 12, 2010 4:58 pm, Kerry wrote: > The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he > has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work > for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell > you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 12 14:23:22 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:23:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B0E6D3E354B46BB9DDF77663B073093@KerryPC> G'Day Elden What a great page you have, well done I enjoyed looking at it again Kerry From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 12 14:39:48 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:39:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <689AC769-FF39-4CDF-AFAA-E4CB69A39E54@rustyiron.com> On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:31 AM, langer5 xplornet.ca wrote: > Where do you put your Lorenz on your list Larry, The only one who is allowed to put Lorenz engines on a list is Arnie. Where he puts the engines on the list, no one knows because it is a secret list that no one is allowed to see. From avanti_64 at juno.com Fri Mar 12 17:19:19 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:19:19 GMT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem Message-ID: <20100312.201919.23722.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Yes, I used to sell Kwik Poly when Harold the guy that invented it was alive and Charlie Bryant used to live in Missouri and when he came to Maine he would bring me kits of it to save the shipping. Then Harold got sick, sold the company, Charlie moved back to Maine and the guy who bought KP started doing Internet sales and that was the end of the deal for me anyway. Now there is a new guy making and selling it who has a web site Kwik Poly LLC. The formula is the same as the old stuff. Yes it will work sealing a water tank. I sealed a seam leak on a Galloway hopper that had a small irritating drip. I couldn't shake the engine around so I just used more KP and dumped it in. It sealed it up as soon as it started to cure up. I bet it is still in there!!! Joe Kelley in Maine ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=VBXAgw6hjW-NFHaPYNw53QAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 12 20:13:09 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the time to browse through it. Just go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first installment. Take care. Ken From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 20:17:34 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:17:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Everybody! Thanks for all of the information about KwikPoly, both on and off list. I really appreciate it and will order some next week. I am working on a 10-20 Titan for a friend of ours. It is a fairly early one, 1917, and one of the things that needs attention in the water tank. The tank is in very good shape except for some pinholes in the bottom where it sat in the mounting brackets. I suppose that the webbing used to cushion the brackets held the moisture and helped rot it out. I am going to have to scab a piece of tin in on the bottom. I figure on tacking it in with the wirefeed and then soldering it. The KwikPoly will be used to slosh the tank when done and act as a sealer to seal any pinholes and protect the tin from the water. At least that is the plan. Lots of machine work on this tractor, they vibrate pretty good and as things get worn, they shake more violently. We are doing a lot of boring and making things oversize. I will share some photos once the project is further along. Again, thank you, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Steve Royster wrote: From: Steve Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwikpoly To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 2:14 PM Joe, this is the new agent for KwikPoly, really great stuff. I highly recommend it for water tanks and gas tanks! Steve???dale at kwikpolyllc.com > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:55:58 -0800 > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > > Are you the fellow who was selling the Quik-Poly? I used some 20 years ago on some punky wood in a model T body and it was amazing stuff. Would it work to seal up a water tank for an old engine? > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > From: avanti_64 at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: R&V problem > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:32 PM > > > As Peter said copper gaskets. There is very little sealing surface on those small R & V heads. The larger engines I have used regular gasket material. I used to sell Chesteron packing when I was on the road. 8 years ago I got dumped by them along with 22 others in a down sizing. Now I sell the Garlock non asbestos material at engine shows. It works fine, but only if you have a wide sealing surface. Pure graphite works real well if you have some pitting on the surface, The graphite will fill in the pits as it compresses more than regular material. > Joe > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Spell > Click here to light up your life with a love spell! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=m42KoSe2V01Wim4E98bFRQAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Mar 13 02:54:16 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:54:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gade - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> Hey Kerry!!! Do you want something from Arnie, and that's why you are blaming his lax behaviour on me??? I haven't had ANYTHING from Arnie for YEARS to put on his website, not Yanks' Trip tales or Lorenz Registry stuff or ANYTHING. Which fortunately, gives me time to play on my bike! Dolly On 12/03/2010 21:58, Kerry wrote: > > The reason for Arnies failure to confirm anything on the Lorenz, is that he > has not got anything, what he collects he sends to Dolly to do all the work > for him, and our lovely Dolly has been to busy on her bike. Arnie may tell > you thats its second oldest but thats just to keep you quiet 8-)) > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Mar 13 04:35:10 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:35:10 GMT Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <20100313.073510.124.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Ken, nice reference material. I looked to see if Associated, Desjardins or Root and Vandervoort engines were listed, maybe later. Joe K ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 05:32:23 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <8557953d8f8700e863a00b3fc2857896.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ken, What a neat idea. Thanks for doing this. This is a great source of info! I'm really looking forward to this compilation growing over time. One thought struck me as I looked over this first list. If a bloke had one of each of these engines, he'd have a VERY impressive collection!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 12, 2010 11:13 pm, Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Mar 13 05:33:43 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:33:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> Those are fantastic Ken. I can see that website being visited extensively when you get it completed. It will be almost as useful as Wendel's BYB at helping gain info on engines. I really appreciate your work on this. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the time to browse through it. Just go to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first installment. Take care. Ken From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 06:08:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> References: <651561AFD84B490DBF5E1B585C837218@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: Ken, It will certainly be a very useful resource for determining when certain engines first started to appear and when they were going out of business. I suspect that you'll also turn up engines that aren't in the BYB. See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 13, 2010 8:33 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Those are fantastic Ken. I can see that website being visited > extensively when you get it completed. It will be almost as useful as > Wendel's BYB at helping gain info on engines. I really appreciate your > work on this. > > >> I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements >> from early magazines ... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first >> installment. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 13 06:36:36 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:36:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <4015c.3f1c1381.38ccfcf4@aol.com> In a message dated 3/13/2010 9:11:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I suspect that you'll also turn up engines that aren't in the BYB. Arnie, I have already spotted one, Pennsylvania Machine Company. There is a Pennsylvania Iron Works in BRB/BYB, but no Pa. Machine Company. Neat old stuff! Thanks Ken! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Mar 13 06:57:13 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 9:57:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20100313145713.I21EV.357725.root@hrndva-web03-z02> Ken: Great idea! Very useful,informative and entertaining. I am surprised you were able to do this so fast too. I have a good friend that has been working on stories and registrys ofr years and just can't get them into "share mode" yet. He shall remain nameless though as I would never use a public medium to embarrass Arnie. MR ---- Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. > > Take care. > > Ken > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat Mar 13 07:07:07 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:07:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <4B9BAA1B.4070601@windstream.net> On 3/12/10 11:13 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. > GREAT stuff Ken... thanks for doing these and sharing! Mike From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 13 07:42:19 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:42:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads Message-ID: <2c7e7.4690fea5.38cd0c5b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/13/2010 10:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: I have a good friend that has been working on stories and registrys ofr years Me thinks you are headed on the down hill side (pretty far down too) of a "good friend". Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 13 10:09:51 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:09:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Kwikpoly In-Reply-To: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <605166.3550.qm@web112602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi Everybody! > Thanks for all of the information about KwikPoly, both on and off > list. I really appreciate it and will order some next week. > I am working on a 10-20 Titan for a friend of ours. It is a fairly > early one, 1917, and one of the things that needs attention in the > water tank. The tank is in very good shape except for some pinholes > in the bottom where it sat in the mounting brackets. I suppose that > the webbing used to cushion the brackets held the moisture and > helped rot it out. I am going to have to scab a piece of tin in on > the bottom. I figure on tacking it in with the wirefeed and then > soldering it. The KwikPoly will be used to slosh the tank when done > and act as a sealer to seal any pinholes and protect the tin from > the water. At least that is the plan. > Lots of machine work on this tractor, they vibrate pretty good and > as things get worn, they shake more violently. We are doing a lot of > boring and making things oversize. I will share some photos once the > project is further along. Mister Joe, If you don't need the extra tin for structural integrity, you might want to try the KwikPoly by itself. Tape up the outside of the pinholes so the KP doesn't just leak out. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 13 14:06:04 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:06:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no./Progress In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Thanks for all the replies. Good News - I found the serial number and although not confirmed it looks more and more like the papers may belong to my engine. I should have read the docs before writing last night - on the front page of the "Parts Price List" it states - look for the serial no on the nameplate and under the crankcase cover. I took the cover and gasket off today and sure enough, there it was as clear as anything. No. 25751. (Unfortunately it was a bit early in the day for a celebratory B&C). I dated this from info on . I'm not sure if Tony Leonard is a list member but thanks for putting the info up. It appears that my engine was made between 1947 and 1949 (probably 1948). Now back to the documents. The "Packing List" does not contain a serial number but it does contain a "Job Number" as well as the date 26th January 1949. I've written to David Johnson (the Witte Guru on Smokstak) to see if he can help - I really do not know if David or Eagle Engines (Witte's successors) have any records going back that far but can only wait and see. If not, then as both Arnie and George suggested these documents BELONG TO MY ENGINE :-) I've updated the webpage here: and added a few pics (scroll down a bit to get to the update). As Arnie also suggested - has anyone got a pic of the brass nameplate that goes onto one of these engines - I need to find someone who can make me a decent replica :-) Many thanks once again for the replies and suggestions - they are all appreciated. I'll keep you updated as I learn more. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: At 11:34 PM 12/03/2010, you wrote: >Holy crap Jerry!! I think you scored BIG TIME with that paper treasure >trove!! > >To help you with your quest of linking the engine to the paper via the serial >number, may I suggest two other locations that you did not mention. >On the Lorenz engines the S/N is stamped on the big end caps and crank >shaft throws >and also on the top surface of the piston. You might give those spots a >look on >your Witte. > >GOOD LUCK!! BTW, if you continue to be unsuccessful in finding the actual >S/N on >your engine, I would opt for the "engine rarity" argument and select the >S/N from >the paperwork that you have. As you say, there can't be many of 'em, and >if the >engine doesn't have a number, who's to say that you're wrong? Personally, >I think >you've just reunited the engine with it's paperwork. > >Do you have a tag design or should folks elsewhere be looking for a Witte >CD engine >to take a photo of the tag? > >There seem to be some interesting threads on the web in response to "Witte >CD diesel". >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29849 >http://www.petternut.co.uk/Witte%20CD.jpg >http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=station&th=2039 >http://www.www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJXSzj2LBk > >It appears that the Witte is still being used in the oil fields and that >parts are >available. Perhaps contact a distributer with the "Where's the S/N question?" > >See ya, Arnie > >On Fri, March 12, 2010 2:46 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > I have a 12 H.P. Witte CD Diesel. Tank cooled - not radiator > > cooled. Do any of you great guru's know if there is a serial number > > "stamped" anywhere on or in the engine and where? (Dave, "Yes" does not > > qualify as an answer :-)). Mine was without a plate when I got it. I've > > asked this question in the past (also of David Johnson on Smokstak) but > > have never got an answer. I've searched all over the engine without luck. I > > really would like to know the serial number and if I can find it anywhere > > on the engine. I've looked at all the obvious/normal/usual places > > (crankshaft ends, flywheels etc.) without luck so unless someone who > > actually knows the answer can tell me to look at a specific point/place on > > these engines then your "guess" would be no better than I already have and > > worthless to me. > > > > I was given this Witte CD a few years ago (actually November 2007): > > > > It had a few missing parts which I managed to import from the USA > > (David Johnson). Now it's waiting for me to get off my rear end and > restore it. > > > > About 2 weeks ago I received an e-mail from someone in the area > > where the engine came from - he is an old guy (aren't we all?) and is > > "cleaning up". He had, amongst other things, an original manual for this > > engine as well as the original packing/shipping documents for 2 of these > > engines to South Africa. My heart rate hit the roof (but another "Brandy & > > Coke" stabilised it). Would it not be fantastic if these shipping documents > > (dated 1947) were actually for my engine? There were not many Witte CD's > > brought to South Africa - being part of the British Commonwealth most of > > our engines came from Britain. > > > > I took the plunge and today decided to drive to the "Big City" and > > collected the documents from him (as well as a box full of other old > > manuals, pamphlets and similar stuff). On the way home I realised that this > > was going to be a "Brandy & Coke" evening and stopped off at the local > > liquor outlet and stocked up. :-) > > > > So far I've only opened the old "buff coloured" (kraft paper) > > Witte envelope. Packing slips (in that old blue print from early > > duplicating machines (Banda, Gestetner, Roneo et al)are all intact as is > > the operators manual - AND - the manual refers to the same engine that I > > have (although not necessarily to my engines serial number). > > > > Would it not be incredible if these documents actually are for my > > engine ? > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 13 14:06:27 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:06:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] very OT - was Lists are quiet In-Reply-To: <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100311214001.00d03cf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378608DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B25DA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><928abba01003120931h15e69bd6mc74000a1bfc06f21@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F378B2A0F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><1AE3ED139010432F8E605201AE665A53@KerryPC> <4B9B6ED8.6060308@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <21A82C054B1F4D16BD5B9C44F3497433@KerryPC> Sorry Darling in involving you into the Data Drain Case but you have now cut off his only means of escape. The Villain has obtained a nuke powered Black Hole, it was started only to consume empty beer bottles and cans as an easy and secret way of getting rid of them without his wife having to carry them to the bin every week, then it started consuming his own data of his tripsetc but now is consuming data of other peoples freely donated information and next I am worried it will consume his engines before starting on ours. I think working with all those nuke things have turned him to the dark side and is now worse that the evil brother or heaven help us the evil maytag killing doctor. You maybe the only one that can save our friend by getting the lost data (if it ever ever existed) as working with those very dangerous nuke things will make him even worse. Worried Kerry PS. do you know what 8-P is? > Hey Kerry!!! > Do you want something from Arnie, and that's why you are blaming his lax > behaviour on me??? > I haven't had ANYTHING from Arnie for YEARS to put on his website, not > Yanks' Trip tales or Lorenz Registry stuff or ANYTHING. Which > fortunately, gives me time to play on my bike! > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Mar 13 15:19:04 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:19:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens / Witte CD serial no./Progress In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100312201939.00c94d10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20100313201812.03514640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <54b9b8fbc5e0eb59ef6041628cbc4451.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhh, Jerry! Life is GOOD! See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 13, 2010 5:06 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Good News - I found the serial number and although not confirmed > it looks more and more like the papers may belong to my engine. > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 04:02:39 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:02:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping Message-ID: I have decided that I did not like the green that had been applied to my 2hp R&V sometime in the past so out comes the paint stripper: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4016.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4017.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/rvbl/DSCF4018.JPG Some of the original green has appeared on the flywheels but the rest of the engine is almost back to bare metal. I am 50/50 on whether to go for the bare metal look or to give the engine a nice paint job. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 14 05:17:12 2010 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:17:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. Message-ID: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: Fw: New Toy. The new Blackstone Toy ran today for the first time in about 40 years,have just put a quick video on utube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og5w6IHWW3E ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: New Toy. Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original cast iron transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation. Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts damewatt at bigpond.com.au (03) 87616332 Blackstone videos.. http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: IMG_0296 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 14 05:57:54 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:57:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping Message-ID: <429a.6b98d0de.38ce3752@aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/2010 7:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: so out comes the paint stripper Patrick, Looks like you had good success with the paint stripper. What kind did you use? Water soluble? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 07:53:00 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Google Logo Message-ID: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? Brilliant! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Mar 14 08:07:54 2010 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:07:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> Arnie, Can you recite the first 100 digits of Pi.... -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:53 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; slick at toltbbs.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Google Logo So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? Brilliant! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 14 08:48:09 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:48:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 04:53 PM 14/03/2010, Arnie Fero wrote: >So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? >Brilliant! Hi Arnie, It must be a localised Yankee thing - Google South Africa just has the normal logo and if we try to log on to Google.com it automatically redirects to Google.co.za which is a bummer as our Google can be incredibly slow. We can get to Google.co.uk and that has a Sheep for Mothers Day - must be an Aussie thing ?? Mothers Day here is in May. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 09:20:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> References: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <15A1F89ECEE94729A2A68734949EC710@Waynexp> Message-ID: Nope. The first six is my limit... On Sun, March 14, 2010 11:07 am, Wayne Thackery wrote: > > Can you recite the first 100 digits of Pi.... > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 14 09:34:45 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:34:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <6ac26ec9cd2fbb742c1833287add3139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. MR ---- Arnie Fero wrote: > So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? > Brilliant! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 14 09:46:09 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> Message-ID: <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Happy PI Day! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. > > MR > > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the >> day? >> Brilliant! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 14 11:06:39 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:06:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01> <04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> Message-ID: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Slice of Cherry Please. Mark At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: >Happy PI Day! > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; ; "The SEL email >discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. > > > > MR > > > > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: > >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the > >> day? > >> Brilliant! > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: >03/14/10 07:33:00 Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Mar 14 11:18:39 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:18:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo References: <20100314163445.6BMT4.475293.root@hrndva-web02-z01><04b201cac395$d939aea0$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <51D1BFD14FD94116996C34137E3AB019@D6R3D961> I tried to copy paste to this site, but the file is to large. I received a email back saying the administrator has to approve it and sorry I just finished the cherry pie Roger DiRuscio R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate #615513 Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: >>Happy PI Day! >> >>Rick >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: ; ; "The SEL email >>discussion list" >>Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo >> >> >> > I'm no nooklear injineer, but I believe it is Pi. >> > >> > MR >> > >> > ---- Arnie Fero wrote: >> >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the >> >> day? >> >> Brilliant! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: >>03/14/10 07:33:00 > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 > USA > 419.358.5206 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 14 12:22:10 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: Brian: Nice running engine. I love those curved spokes! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 07:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Mar 14 12:24:59 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:24:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Kaintuck Speak: Thuh aruh uv a curcil is Pi R square. No, it ain't neither! Pi R round - CORN BREAD R square! Dumb hick! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 01:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: > >Happy PI Day! > > > >Rick From jbcast at charter.net Sun Mar 14 11:24:51 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:24:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9B10D5.9030206@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <20100314142451.04YRM.565343.root@mp14> ---- Ken Christison wrote: > I have just started a project to glean old engine advertisements > from early magazines accessed through google books. The first page > of these is from the first volume of the American Blacksmith. This > magazine has a lot of great information for those willing to take the > time to browse through it. Just go to: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-1/ for the first > installment. > > Take care. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ Looks great Ken, keep us posted, will be looking for more. J.B.Castagnos From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Mar 14 12:27:52 2010 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:27:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100314165420.00ce3fa8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4B9D38B8.9040201@rustic-engines.com> Oi, that would be a Kiwi "thing", Mr Springbox. :-P Cheers, Al Harris Autum Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jerry Evans wrote: > At 04:53 PM 14/03/2010, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> So have y'all picked up on the significance of the Google Logo for the day? >> Brilliant! >> > Hi Arnie, > It must be a localised Yankee thing - Google South Africa just has > the normal logo and if we try to log on to Google.com it automatically > redirects to Google.co.za which is a bummer as our Google can be incredibly > slow. > > We can get to Google.co.uk and that has a Sheep for Mothers Day - > must be an Aussie thing ?? Mothers Day here is in May. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Mar 14 14:26:34 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:26:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More engine ads Message-ID: <4B9D548A.5030006@coastalnet.com> This is from Volume 8 of the American Blacksmith. '08 and '09 http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-8/ Take care. Ken From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun Mar 14 14:27:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: References: <20100314180635.DAB3992BE@smtp.wcoil.com>, Message-ID: Elden ; both r round in the deep south, its the brownies that r square ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:24:59 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > Kaintuck Speak: > > Thuh aruh uv a curcil is Pi R square. > > No, it ain't neither! > > Pi R round - CORN BREAD R square! > > Dumb hick! :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 01:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > > > Slice of Cherry Please. Mark > > > > > > At 12:46 PM 3/14/2010, you wrote: > > >Happy PI Day! > > > > > >Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 14 14:50:27 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:50:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: New Toy. In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20100314215027.2F0AE298053@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Nice Brian, same type as one of the blacky's at the bookham sale. Did I see the choke tube on your engine turning 90 degrees? Whats the go with that? I have only ever seen them in a vertical position. Russell At 11:17 PM 14/03/2010, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Watts >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:16 PM >Subject: Fw: New Toy. > > >The new Blackstone Toy ran today for the first time in about 40 >years,have just put a quick video on utube, >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og5w6IHWW3E > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Watts >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:26 AM >Subject: New Toy. > > >Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original >cast iron transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation. >Brian Watts >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >(03) 97266147 > >David Watts >damewatt at bigpond.com.au >(03) 87616332 > > Blackstone videos.. >http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts >The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: >IMG_0296 > >Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may >prevent sending or receiving certain types of file >attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how >attachments are handled. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 14 15:01:33 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:01:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there is a register and after doing due diligence we realise it's a load of hot air! How ever; for what it's worth; I have spoted a Lorenz on Harry's! Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal info etc and add another to the phantom list! http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/all Super size this add! Russell From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 14 15:39:08 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <15ABC2DA0A04458BB9395AAC3CA13252@bd32d875216e74> <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: HOLY CRAP Russell! WELL Spotted!! 8-))) I have a 3-4 Lorenz in the register for Clark Toleman, but I don't have the S/N or any pics. I've emailed him. Hopefully he'll reply. THANKS mate!! You are bloody amazing! See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 14, 2010 6:01 pm, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told > it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there > is a register and after doing due diligence we realize it's a load of hot air! > How ever; for what it's worth; I have spotted a Lorenz on Harry's! > Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal > info etc and add another to the phantom list! > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/all > Super size this ad! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 14 17:03:07 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:03:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More engine ads In-Reply-To: <4B9D548A.5030006@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: More great info Ken! I would bet as the years progress you find fewer and fewer companies. This is going to be a tremendous asset to us old iron fans. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY PS: You even got a couple of Hagan ads in there! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:27 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More engine ads This is from Volume 8 of the American Blacksmith. '08 and '09 http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/vol-8/ Take care. Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/14/10 07:33:00 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 14 17:05:42 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> Yup, I know Clark well. He's a very busy guy though. Next time I'm at his place (not sure when that will be), I'll see if he still has the Lorenz. I think its now owned by Earl Snedegar. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz I wonder if Arnie is his actual name! Just because we have been told it is does this really mean it's true! Like you have been told there is a register and after doing due diligence we realise it's a load of hot air! How ever; for what it's worth; I have spoted a Lorenz on Harry's! Arnie you might be able to bullshit this guy out of all his personal info etc and add another to the phantom list! http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/34659/cat/al l Super size this add! Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/14/10 07:33:00 From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 07:56:02 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> References: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the smaller Lorenz. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:06 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz Yup, I know Clark well. He's a very busy guy though. Next time I'm at his place (not sure when that will be), I'll see if he still has the Lorenz. I think its now owned by Earl Snedegar. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 15 08:39:32 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:39:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> George, That photo was actually taken in Earl Snedegar's shop. That's why I think the engine is now owned by Earl. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the smaller Lorenz. George From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:53:23 2010 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293169.72141.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys,?? A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. no. 168734.?? He was wondering what year it was made.? Do any of you have that kind of info at hand? ??? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit.? Thanks, Bill wmlyoung at yahoo.com From winkandginger at aol.com Mon Mar 15 09:57:43 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:57:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: <293169.72141.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC9277C37EFB85-89A0-ED23@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: William Young To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 8:53 am Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M info Hi Guys, A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. no. 168734. He was wondering what year it was made. Do any of you have that kind of info at hand? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit. Thanks, Bill wmlyoung at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Hi Bill, I'm sending you a full list of Fairbanks Morse serial no,s. You never can tell....he may find another treasure he can use this to identify it's birthday. Wink From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 10:30:45 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swapmeet In-Reply-To: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891FDD2@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I went to the WHEAT swap meet that was held in Turlock CA this weekend. It had been a few years since I've attended that swap meet, mostly because it is a 700 mile drive each way for me, plus it is a one day parking lot swap meet that wasn't all that big in the past. We got there Saturday afternoon for people setting up early and there was a fair amount of vendors setup and about the size that I remembered the swap meet as being. Unfortunately there was also a pretty good wind that really had a chilling effect on you. Went out that evening for dinner with a group of 8 collectors and had a nice visit. Sunday morning (official day of swap meet) we were out there before daylight and it had grown pretty good in size. Even mid morning there were vendors pulling in and setting up. Since we had a 700 mile return drive and I had to be a work this morning we had to leave by 11am. Next time I think I'll take a vacation day on Monday so we can stay into the afternoon and drive partway home that evening as there were a couple rows of late arriving vendors that I didn't even get to go down. It was definitely the biggest WHEAT swap meet I've seen and was really a good one with lots of goodies to buy if you had the money. Sunday morning I walked past a trailer that had a real nice 6' blade for a 3pt hitch. I've been looking locally for a rear blade for my tractor to make maintaining my gravel driveway easier. Bad part was we had driven my Chevy HHR to the swap meet rather than my pickup. The rear blade was too good of a deal to pass up and after borrowing a tape measure I decided that if we took the blade off the 3pt frame we could angle it and it would just fit inside the HHR! Took a couple packing attempts to get the 3pt blade inside the HHR along with our other purchases, plus all my W.A.I.T. booth stuff I'd brought along. Talk about loading a lot of stuff in that little HHR! Bet no other HHR owner has hauled a 3pt implement inside the cargo area! Had a great weekend, talked to hobby friends, bought a few things, plus the weather was nice and sunny on Sunday with no wind. Life is good. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Mar 15 10:38:45 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:38:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F-M info Message-ID: <20100315.103944.13717.138954@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> 168326-224189 is 1916. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) William Young writes: > Hi Guys, A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, > ser. no. 168734. He was wondering what year it was made. Do any > of you have that kind of info at hand? > Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a > bit. Thanks, Bill > > wmlyoung at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=pzysgJURkVmrr1zobwqfgQAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 10:42:07 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:42:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] W.H.E.A.T. swap meet In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20100314220133.5CDEE14C016@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <8B15310D3E554D6993BD2AE2B7C65348@D2JYVHJ1> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891F668@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3891FE39@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I went to the WHEAT swap meet that was held in Turlock CA this weekend. It had been a few years since I've attended that swap meet, mostly because it is a 700 mile drive each way for me, plus it is a one day parking lot swap meet that wasn't all that big in the past. We got there Saturday afternoon for people setting up early and there was a fair amount of vendors setup and about the size that I remembered the swap meet as being. Unfortunately there was also a pretty good wind that really had a chilling effect on you. Went out that evening for dinner with a group of 8 collectors and had a nice visit. Sunday morning (official day of swap meet) we were out there before daylight and it had grown pretty good in size. Even mid morning there were vendors pulling in and setting up. Since we had a 700 mile return drive and I had to be a work this morning we had to leave by 11am. Next time I think I'll take a vacation day on Monday so we can stay into the afternoon and drive partway home that evening as there were a couple rows of late arriving vendors that I didn't even get to go down. It was definitely the biggest WHEAT swap meet I've seen and was really a good one with lots of goodies to buy if you had the money. Sunday morning I walked past a trailer that had a real nice 6' blade for a 3pt hitch. I've been looking locally for a rear blade for my tractor to make maintaining my gravel driveway easier. Bad part was we had driven my Chevy HHR to the swap meet rather than my pickup. The rear blade was too good of a deal to pass up and after borrowing a tape measure I decided that if we took the blade off the 3pt frame we could angle it and it would just fit inside the HHR! Took a couple packing attempts to get the 3pt blade inside the HHR along with our other purchases, plus all my W.A.I.T. booth stuff I'd brought along. Talk about loading a lot of stuff in that little HHR! Bet no other HHR owner has hauled a 3pt implement inside the cargo area! Had a great weekend, talked to hobby friends, bought a few things, plus the weather was nice and sunny on Sunday with no wind. Life is good. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 15 11:07:23 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:07:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More ads Message-ID: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ Take care. Ken From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Mar 15 11:08:12 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:08:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] F-M info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100315200255.00ce64d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 15/03/2010, you wrote: >Message: 19 >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: William Young >Subject: Re: [SEL] F-M info >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <293169.72141.qm at web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Guys,?? A friend of mine here in AZ showed me his Fairbanks 6hp Z, ser. >no. 168734.?? He was wondering what year it was made.? Do any of you have >that kind of info at hand? >??? Will head back to Japan as soon as weather reports moderate a bit.? >Thanks, Bill > >wmlyoung at yahoo.com Hello Oom Bill-san, According to this page on Tony Kimmels site: it is 1916. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 15 13:32:15 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:32:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Google Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank: Oh! Figgers. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of frank > skinner > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 04:28 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] Google Logo > > > > Elden ; > > > > both r round in the deep south, its the brownies > that r square ;-} From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 12:47:06 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:47:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ken, It's nice that you're doing this. Will you be adding an index page for the various magazine issues so we can locate them? If you're creating a reference website I would think some of us would be willing scan ads out of other publications and email them to you so you don't have to scan everything. But we'd need some way of knowing which magazines and which engines have already been scanned. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] More ads These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ Take care. Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 15 13:20:43 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The phantom (no more) Lorenz(s) In-Reply-To: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> References: <91AAE7DED0A54F418A0F3239C523F057@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: Thanks Tommy. I have both of Earl's Lorenz engines in the register along with a nice set of pics. I'll have to take a look at his shop pics and see if I can recognize it from the GS&M pic on Harry's. For info they are a 5-7 hp S/N 13495 and a 3-4 hp S/N 17219. See ya, Arnie On Mon, March 15, 2010 11:39 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > George, > That photo was actually taken in Earl Snedegar's shop. That's > why I think the engine is now owned by Earl. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The phantom Lorenz > > Actually, if you look at the picture it appears that he has TWO Czech > engines. You can see another set of larger cart wheels behind the > smaller Lorenz. > > George From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 15 13:54:24 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:54:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> Hi George, I do plan on making an index page, perhaps linking to individual pages of each company with ads from different years if the ads are indeed different. I am not scanning these. They are available for download at Google books. I am going through each volume, saving each page with ads in photoshop and then cropping out each ad from there. I have downloaded all the volumes of Gas Power, The American Blacksmith and Modern Machinery up to the '20s that are available as full view. There are several others that have come up when searching for specific engine names that I have downloaded, but I haven't gone through to see how much engine content is there. Perhaps after I have depleted what I have downloaded, folks can see what I have and will be able to see if they have anything new to add, and send to me to include. Thanks for suggesting this. Perhaps one of these days we can rival Alan King's work, with the advantage of easily printing out any one we care to. Take care. Ken Best, George wrote: > Ken, > > It's nice that you're doing this. > > Will you be adding an index page for the various magazine issues so we can locate them? > > If you're creating a reference website I would think some of us would be willing scan ads out of other publications and email them to you so you don't have to scan everything. But we'd need some way of knowing which magazines and which engines have already been scanned. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] More ads > > These are from the June 1907 issue of Gas Power magazine. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/ads/gp-07/ > > Take care. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Mar 15 14:27:59 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:27:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] More ads In-Reply-To: <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> References: <4B9E775B.3050501@coastalnet.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAF889@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4B9E9E80.5030806@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F38FAFCD5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ken, Speaking of Alan King, I was looking at one of his ad books yesterday. The thing I didn't like about his book is that I didn't see a year with each ad. When I look at an ad I'd like to know what date it is from. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ken Christison Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:54 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Thanks for suggesting this. Perhaps one of these days we can rival Alan King's work, with the advantage of easily printing out any one we care to. Take care. Ken This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 16:47:48 2010 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tnx for F-M info In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100315200255.00ce64d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <504756.94787.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> THANKS to all of you who responded to my call for help and? especially to Wink & Ginger who sent the complete list of S.N.s with mfg. dates. Arigato gozaimas & 73's.? Bill From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Mar 15 17:42:16 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:42:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alan C. King advertisement books Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi....... The Alan King books are a good resource for engine information but with 8 separate volumes, each with their own index they are sometimes a little tedious to use. About 20 years ago when I got my first computer (Apple IIe) I embarked on a project of making a combined and expanded index of the whole series in one volume. I did it primarily as an exercise in learning about computers and their software in general and specifically how to use the data base program. Besides just copying the original index from each volume my brother and I looked at each individual ad and made separate entries entries if there was an engine model name different from the manufacturer so the ads are cross referenced also. It ended up being about 25 pages long and the same size and shape at the King volumes. At that time we had some of them printed up and I still have a few left. If you have most or all of the books and I haven't sent you one in the past I would be glad to send you one. If you are interested contact me OFF LIST and we can work out the details. My email address is in my signature below. Larry Evans Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 19:44:31 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:44:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] R&V paint stripping In-Reply-To: <429a.6b98d0de.38ce3752@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It is a water soluble paint stripper. I paint it on, leave it 'till the paint starts to left and then hit it with the pressure washer. On 14/3/10 11:57 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/2010 7:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: > > so out comes the paint stripper > > > Patrick, > > > Looks like you had good success with the paint stripper. What kind did > you use? Water soluble? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ihcboggs at bright.net Tue Mar 16 10:04:09 2010 From: ihcboggs at bright.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers Message-ID: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue Mar 16 10:46:27 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: Seat it with a punch & hammer Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: ihcboggs at bright.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Mar 16 11:51:19 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:51:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers Message-ID: <20100316.115207.962.55963@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> I braze a similar ball on the end of a round rod and lap it in with lapping compound Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:04:09 -0400 "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" writes: > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a > engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat > correctly > ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=ifcu1UgjjJZWYhXsU5kJfQAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 16 12:50:58 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <8e4b85e4fc1db8e423f8dc5f6049ca9d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Another approach is to take a steel ball of the same size, attach it to a wooden dowel rod with JB Weld (or other adhesive), and lap the seat in with a little bit of valve grinding compound. When you secure the check ball in your oiler with a cross-pin, make sure that it is fairly close to the or the exhaust pulse might not have time to seat the ball. See ya, Arnie On Tue, March 16, 2010 1:46 pm, frank skinner wrote: > > Seat it with a punch & hammer >> From: ihcboggs at bright.net >> >> Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine cyl . >> oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 16 14:09:12 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:09:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> Beside the ball, that blows UP against the seat, and is retained by a wire pin, you need a vent tube from the drip sight area to above the oil level in the main oil chamber. An easier way is to put a vent pipe into the tube down to the cylinder and bring it to above the hopper water level. Any oil spray will help stop rust in the hopper. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne & Casey Boggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a engine > cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 16 15:03:39 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:03:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: Why? Dave On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:04 PM, DeWayne & Casey Boggs wrote: > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make a regular oiler a > engine cyl . oiler with a check ball but the ball won't seat > correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 16 17:28:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:28:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: DeWayne: I have the same problem. I think the secret is to limit the movement of the ball and make the bore that the ball rides in a few thousandths bigger than the ball. There must be a science to it but I can't figger it out. Mine will do fine for a while then start blowing back. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of DeWayne & > Casey Boggs > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:04 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > > Can anyone give me some advise I'm trying to make > a regular oiler a engine cyl . oiler with a > check ball but the ball won't seat correctly > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 16 20:31:12 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:31:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Damn Elden, Even I'm not going to touch that one! Dave On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > DeWayne: > > I have the same problem. Mine will do fine for a while then start > blowing back. > > Take care - Elden From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Mar 16 21:16:55 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:16:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> Message-ID: <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner and can forward me his contact details. regards Russell From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 17 06:17:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:17:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave: What can I say? You've got a devious mind. You need to seek professional help. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Cyl.oilers > > > Damn Elden, Even I'm not going to touch that one! > Dave > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > DeWayne: > > > > I have the same problem. Mine will do fine > for a while then start > > blowing back. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Mar 17 20:20:53 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night after a little more tinkering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From bethell at internode.on.net Wed Mar 17 20:36:48 2010 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:36:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa><701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russel I have a photo of this. regards Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally > G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that > was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's > governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball > governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached > which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine > down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National > Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner > and can forward me his contact details. > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Mar 17 21:02:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith, That's sooo SWEET! There aren't that many kero burners that are hit & miss. Are all the Economy kero burners setup that way? ISTR that Dave's 12 hp Herc kero burner was T/G. So, you've got the full set of Hercs and just need a 12 hp Economy for a full set of those? EXCELLENT. What's next; a full set of Spartas? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, March 17, 2010 11:20 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: > Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in > Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show > where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks > ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance > to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with > the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and > lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide > what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night > after a little more tinkering. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 > > Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) > > Keith From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 17 21:47:25 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:47:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Good stuff Jimbo, mate I look forward to seeing it in my in box :-) Russell At 02:36 PM 18/03/2010, you wrote: >Russel I have a photo of this. >regards >Jimbo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:16 PM >Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally > > > > G'day all, I am chasing the owner of a ?? 7hp Hornsby Oil engine that > > was at the National Rally. It had a distinctive addition to it's > > governing system. It was a cast iron bracket mounted to the flyball > > governor housing. This bracket had a pendulum type weight attached > > which help's lesson the weight/speed needed to govern/slow the engine > > down. Might any of you guys who went to the Murray Bridge National > > Rally have a good photo of this part or better still know the owner > > and can forward me his contact details. > > regards Russell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 17 22:06:48 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:06:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> References: <464ABBCAAD984B4794105D1D05772770@dewayne1ugjafa> <701BA64F114A4A9A97984C5754824203@regpc> <20100317041650.E83E0FC01F@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Good stuff Jimbo, mate I look forward to seeing it in my in box :-) > Russell Hey, Jimbo. Can you please send a copy of that picture my way? Thanks, Rob From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 22:17:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:17:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: I have not had time to have a look, but you may find it in the National Rally pics on my site. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Mar 17 22:28:18 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:28:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby info from 2009 National rally In-Reply-To: References: <20100318044724.F37D034800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <20100318052817.BDFC014C03A@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Patrick just had a look, nope you don't have it. From memory the engine was a portable not base. Russell At 04:17 PM 18/03/2010, you wrote: >I have not had time to have a look, but you may find it in the National >Rally pics on my site. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 02:56:27 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:56:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 18 05:01:44 2010 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:01:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: Message-ID: <9B7A34CFE333419AA4C377E3011839F8@Edd> See you all there.Leaving in the morning. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally >I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( > At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Mar 18 05:27:24 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) In-Reply-To: <7e7f4.6bf5ba69.38d36328@aol.com> Message-ID: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Kind of a Kool old video on Besler Steam powered airplanes. Curt ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:06:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) ? ? From: randchorst at mchsi.com To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: 3/17/2010 4:28:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) ? ? http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Mar 18 05:22:33 2010 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:22:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <4ba21b09.214.232e.220676591@netspeed.com.au> looking forward to seeing every one at the rally been out there all day doing things it coming together well Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Livingstone To: ATIS , Oldengine Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:56:27 +1100 > I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work > tomorrow night :( At least the engine is loaded and ready > to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Mar 18 05:23:34 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:23:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <763072B775FD4C3F8350B7E84BE6482E@laruecounty.courthouse> Keith, I could tell that was going to be a pretty good old hunk of iron. Placing the Elkhart mag on it will be a neat addition. Are you going to mount it on a set of trucks or make it a skidded engine? TT Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night after a little more tinkering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Mar 18 07:11:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:11:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith: Very nice! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 18 10:43:00 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:43:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) In-Reply-To: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <682608136.10851301268915244434.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: thanks a bunch Curt...that is very kewl. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > Kind of a Kool old video on Besler Steam powered airplanes. > Curt > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:06:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > > > > > > > > > From: randchorst at mchsi.com > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: 3/17/2010 4:28:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: The Besler Steam Powered Airplane (1933) > > > http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 18 10:53:24 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:53:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Hi, Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have misplaced it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. Thanks, Curt Holland From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Mar 18 11:05:17 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:05:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com > > > > Welton's Maintenance > > 4117 Copley Rd > > Copley, OH 44321 > > (330)666-1576 Take care. Ken curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Hi, > Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have misplaced > it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Mar 18 14:46:51 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'day Patrick and all, When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled for Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, including of the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's display sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on display. Thanks!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( > At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 18 15:10:28 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:10:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> Arnie never seen one in Oz yet But. Some would say more info for the black hole but I don't know what they mean 8-)) Kerry > G'day Patrick and all, > > When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled > for > Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, > including of > the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's > display > sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on > display. > > Thanks!! > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry > > On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night >> :( >> At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 18:33:00 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Mar 18 17:15:18 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:15:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Keeper of the registry In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Now I understand the " Keeper" term. I confused it with Sharing the Lorenz Info! Dumb Steve > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Mar 18 20:04:49 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:04:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an miss. The throttle governed kerosene engine was not offered by Sears/Economy until the late 20's. Yes, Dave's 12HP Hercules was a throttle governed Kerosene. By the way, my 9 HP Economy is also a hit and miss kerosene with the rolled top like 7 HP but it is a half base engine. That is one reason I wanted this particular 7 HP. Some day I hope to be able to afford a 12 HP Economy but it will be a while. A full set of Sparta's would be nice but at this point if I try for another mile stone set it would be to have one of each model, I would need a Model D,G,H,N to complete that set. As long as I don't go for the large engines that shouldn't be to0 hard or too expensive. The model N will be the hardest to find/afford. Tommy, I'm not sure what I'm going to do as far as mounting the engine. I'd like to put it on a cart but I've got more engines than carts right now and haven't decided which is going on a cart and which are going on skids. You were right on assessing the condition of the engine. You'd think you've looked at one or two engines in your life. :-) Thanks again for your transportation assistance. Keith On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Keith, > > That's sooo SWEET! There aren't that many kero burners that are hit & miss. Are > all the Economy kero burners setup that way? ISTR that Dave's 12 hp Herc kero > burner was T/G. > > So, you've got the full set of Hercs and just need a 12 hp Economy for a full set of > those? EXCELLENT. What's next; a full set of Spartas? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, March 17, 2010 11:20 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: >> Last October I purchased a 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine in >> Pennsylvania. The seller arranged to have it delivered to the Fall Coolspring show >> where Tommy Turner picked it up and hauled it back to KY for me. A couple of weeks >> ago I made a trip to Tommy's and retrieved the engine. Last weekend we had a chance >> to play with it and got her running. It is a very early engine made in 1914 with >> the rolled water hopper top, gasoline starting tank on the side of the block and >> lunkenheimer 3 valve mixer. I still need to mount the Elkhart magneto and decide >> what to do about the paint job and cart. Here is a video of it running last night >> after a little more tinkering. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPfN3dSVB8 >> >> Now all I need is a 12 HP Economy to complete the set. :-) >> >> Keith > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 19 03:52:31 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:52:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: 2nd Engine & Tractor Show In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , Message-ID: Here is a link with more info on the show http://bladenjournal.com/view/full_story/6566185/article-Southern-Farm-Days-Show-set-for-March-20-at-Lake-Waccamaw Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From: marinesurveys at msn.com To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: 2nd Engine & Tractor Show Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:44:29 -0400 Hi Folks; Sat. & Sun. this weekend is the 2nd Southern Farm Show Its located at the Boys & Girls Club grounds @ Lake Waccamaw NC. While the show last year wasn't huge, it was very good Are any list members going to attend? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Mar 19 03:44:29 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:44:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2nd Engine & Tractor Show In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Hi Folks; Sat. & Sun. this weekend is the 2nd Southern Farm Show Its located at the Boys & Girls Club grounds @ Lake Waccamaw NC. While the show last year wasn't huge, it was very good Are any list members going to attend? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 19 10:33:02 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Jack Welton? In-Reply-To: <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> References: <8CC8C1FF8CC1C2C-1DFC-157C2@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <20100307173619.D637B927C@smtp.wcoil.com> <0a72a170df0a54c2e4b67270263ced32.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <4BA26B5D.70100@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <4794797a4897b57a938b726e75ed1415.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Thank you Ken. Curt > Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com >> > >> > Welton's Maintenance >> > 4117 Copley Rd >> > Copley, OH 44321 >> > (330)666-1576 > > Take care. > > Ken > > > > curt at rustyiron.com wrote: >> Hi, >> Can someone supply the phone number for Jack Welton again? Have >> misplaced >> it and need to get the water pump readied for show season. >> Thanks, >> Curt Holland >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 19 10:44:40 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> > Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit > and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle > governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the > Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many > around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they > wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an > miss. For running at a show, not working the engine, do you run it without water in the hopper? Or did the p/o even run kero in it? They make beautiful smoke rings on kero, but are messy. Tried kero in my 6HP long ago and the smoke rings were entertaining. Yes, this was prior to the paint job :-) Too much trouble to clean! Curt From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 19 14:31:50 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:31:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Message-ID: Gang: In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the same principle. BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power stroke. It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, WHOOSH, etc". It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that at full power. If you wanna have a look, go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Mar 19 14:11:52 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: Message-ID: That does sound interesting.Is there any videos of the full-size engine? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Fri 3/19/2010 5:31 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Gang: In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the same principle. BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power stroke. It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, WHOOSH, etc". It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that at full power. If you wanna have a look, go here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 19 18:17:46 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> References: <3588A8ABB23F4F168E5027F66A8E129A@KerryPC> Message-ID: <4c48b1aeae6d0487a7b6423f53185029.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, I thought there was one in one of Patrick's rally collections. I wasn't as aggressive about the Register back then as I didn't have such a devoted "cheer-leading squad" if you get my drift. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 18, 2010 6:10 pm, Kerry wrote: > Arnie never seen one in Oz yet But. > Some would say more info for the black hole but I don't know what they mean > 8-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 19 18:23:22 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Would you happen to have a high-res version of that photo that you could email me? It would be nice to be able to zoom in to try and get the S/N off the tag and maybe the owners details off his display sign. If anyone happens to spot it out & about at other rallies, I'd love to have the details for the register. At least initially, it would be the only one in Oz in the register. See ya, Arnie On Thu, March 18, 2010 6:48 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I only know of one here and it was at the Sydney rally last year. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/images/DSCF3514_JPG.jpg > > > On 19/3/10 8:46 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > >> G'day Patrick and all, >> >> When you're out and about at the Canberra Rally, please keep an eye peeled for >> Lorenz & Benz engines. If you do spot one, please take some pictures, >> including of >> the name plate with the engine serial number. Also photograph the owner's >> display >> sign with his name, city, state, and any other info he may have on display. >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> Keeper of the Lorenz & Benz Engine Registry >> >> On Thu, March 18, 2010 5:56 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >>> I will see you all on Saturday morning as I have to work tomorrow night :( >>> At least the engine is loaded and ready to go. >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Mar 19 20:15:41 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:15:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Economy Hit and Miss Kerosene engine In-Reply-To: <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100315170752.0483cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <43802C6D-4FDE-41D3-B837-AE1414391C75@herculesengines.com> <27e6b41eb7ac7170c607badc7672143f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: I don't think the previous owner ever ran the engine. I don't plan to run it on kerosene. It would have to be under a load to get warm enough. Gasoline will be just fine. Keith On Mar 19, 2010, at 12:44 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: >> Thanks Arnie, I'm very pleased with the engine. They only made the Hit >> and Miss kerosene in 1914-16. They were replaced with the throttle >> governed Kerosene engine for the Hercules brand in late 1915 and with the >> Thermoil engine for the Economy brand in 1917. There are not to many >> around. I don't think they were a very good runner on kerosene as they >> wouldn't run hot enough to vaporize the kerosene since they were hit an >> miss. > > For running at a show, not working the engine, do you run it without water > in the hopper? Or did the p/o even run kero in it? They make beautiful > smoke rings on kero, but are messy. > Tried kero in my 6HP long ago and the smoke rings were entertaining. Yes, > this was prior to the paint job :-) Too much trouble to clean! > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 20 06:27:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:27:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I took a look on YouTube and found the following: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mcvicker+engine&search_type=&aq=f There are three videos of McVicker Automatic engines. It looks like there is a later(?) model McVicker engine in one of the videos that does have an exhaust cam (eccentric?). It's operating at crankshaft speed and the pushrod is moved out of the way of the valve stem during the "miss" interval. I assume the mechanism that moves the pushrod out of the way is the overpressure cylinder. That's another interesting way of getting rid of gears but not as true to the original patent. I suppose there were some problems with the full pneumatic operation so they went to the gearless pushrod version. Please let me know if this is correct. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 04:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > That does sound interesting.Is there any videos > of the full-size engine? > Jim K. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 03:46:03 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:46:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for neglecting it. I am already looking forward to the next rally at this site. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 03:49:36 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:49:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Video of the 12hp R&V Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nicnHCcWY8 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Mar 21 03:58:54 2010 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:58:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Patrick Many thanks for the comments. I will pass them on at our club night on Thursday. I am sure they will be appreciated. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 9:46 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for neglecting it. I am already looking forward to the next rally at this site. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 21 05:38:49 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:38:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally Message-ID: <5a185.1a6ca41e.38d76d59@aol.com> In a message dated 3/21/2010 6:51:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: Home again from another great weekend with the engines. Patrick, Always great to head to the shows for a nice weekend. Engines want to act up at the shows and run great at home! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 21 06:50:37 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:50:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to identify. can you guys please help. The pics are here: many thanks as usual. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 08:25:41 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cb10a9a5c1aa2de8e9e19a6550a977c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, I think you're being too rough on Brock. I'm sure that he wasn't SNORING. He was probably just re-living the day's events in his dreams and those were engine sounds. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 6:46 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Home again from another great weekend with the engines. This was the first > rally at the Canberra Club's new grounds at Tuggeranong Homestead in the > ACT. It is a great location with good facilities and home to a 1905 1.5hp > Hornsby-Akroyd that had been on the farm since new! > The weather was pretty hot (so I am burnt again) but everyone seemed to have > a great time. As always the rally was well organised with a dinner on > Saturday night and good facilities for those who wished to camp on the > grounds. I could not be bothered to set up my tent for one night so I joined > a number of people who camped in one of the old wool sheds. It was warm and > dry and would have been excellent except for Brock's snoring... > This was the first appearance of my 12hp R&V for five years and it ran ok > except for random stopping due to fuel pump problems. It serves me right for > neglecting it. From cwja at telus.net Sun Mar 21 08:28:23 2010 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:28:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BA63B17.50505@telus.net> Hi Jerry, I believe what you have is an old military genset where the generator is mated with an Iron Horse engine of about 1 hp . The engine is made in Canada by Iron Horse company in the 1940's and 50's . I have two of these gensets and can send some pictures and also some manuals for the engine type. You are missing some metal round bar stock that formed a protective cage around the unit for transport. Let me know , Jeff Allen, Edmonton, Canada Jerry Evans wrote: >Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to >identify. can you guys please help. > >The pics are here: > > >many thanks as usual. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2760 - Release Date: 03/20/10 13:33:00 > > > From rwenig2 at xplornet.com Sun Mar 21 09:07:33 2010 From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> Hello Jerry, That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. Rupert On 3/21/2010 7:50 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > > The pics are here: > > > many thanks as usual. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/ From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 21 09:24:26 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:24:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20100321162419.C4E1E9237@smtp.wcoil.com> I'm pretty sure the engine is Iron Horse. Interesting little outfits. Mark At 09:50 AM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to >identify. can you guys please help. > >The pics are here: > > >many thanks as usual. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 10:06:53 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:06:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211006l5a09c15bwa6fe91a103c26d13@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > > The pics are here: > > > many thanks as usual. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Made by BSA in the UK in some quantities under licence from Johnson/OMC, look on the ASECC site for more details, I will email you the pdf file of the BSA manual, it's virtually the same, whoever made it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 21 10:33:10 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:33:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321191628.00cd5b40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 21/03/2010, you wrote: Hi Jeff and Ken, Thanks for the info and to Ken for sending the ad from Popular Mechanics. Sometimes I can be very stupid !!!! I've been busy all day making skids and axles for a few engines and came and sat in the office for a break. That mail came in so I quickly the pics on my page and wrote to the lists. I should have just walked out to the shed and looked at my Iron Horse - they're identical apart from the tag and military colour !! Thanks for the replies guys. Jeff I'd love a manual as well as some pics of the cage. Mine (unrestored) is not the military version but it may be nice to make the cage and possibly paint the engine to military colours - time will tell. Is the manual in pdf - if so please send it off list to the same address I use for the list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >Hi Jerry, >I believe what you have is an old military genset where the generator is >mated with an Iron Horse engine of about 1 hp . The engine is made in >Canada by Iron Horse company in the 1940's and 50's . I have two of >these gensets and can send some pictures and also some manuals for the >engine type. You are missing some metal round bar stock that formed a >protective cage around the unit for transport. Let me know , Jeff Allen, >Edmonton, Canada > >Jerry Evans wrote: > > >Hi All, > > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > >identify. can you guys please help. > > > >The pics are here: > > > > > >many thanks as usual. > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 11:14:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> Message-ID: <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & Sparks page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Mar 21 12:01:51 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com> <926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20100321190150.36AE99277@smtp.wcoil.com> I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little then this one. Mark At 02:14 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >Jerry, > >If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & >Sparks page. >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 >http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: > > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have years > > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Mar 21 12:33:22 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Message-ID: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi all, It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I could visit. Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. Tim Christoff From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 12:37:01 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:37:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics Message-ID: I have not had time to caption them as yet but here are some pics from Canberra: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can10/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Mar 21 12:39:30 2010 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:39:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za><4BA64445.6010601@xplornet.com><926c648461e57c65eb1af433f63931d7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <20100321190150.36AE99277@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2329E255CD1B44FC8A85D3B3CA5C126A@D6R3D961> There were two smaller sets that I remember the continental and the Delco, I do not remember which one was called the tiny Tim I have both buried out in the shop somewhere Roger DiRuscio R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate #615513 Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity >I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little > then this one. Mark > > > At 02:14 PM 3/21/2010, you wrote: >>Jerry, >> >>If it's a Tiny Tim genset, there's some threadsd on Harry's Arcs & >>Sparks page. >>http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42717 >>http://classic-engines.com/continental-2/ >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Sun, March 21, 2010 12:07 pm, Rupert wrote: >> > That unit looks very much like a Tiny Tim genset I used to have >> > years >> > ago if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had it now. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >>03/21/10 07:33:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 21 13:25:36 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:25:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs References: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00af01cac934$ad4bf880$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tim, this might help. MR Coolspring Power Museum Board of Directors & Officers Vance Packard - President 570-472-3274 Clark W. Colby - Vice President 724-863-4372 Jennifer Fye Secretary/Treasurer 814-943-2908 Glenn Anthony 814-849-5697 Chris Austin 724-294-0254 Douglas Fye 814-943-2908 Michael Fuoco 814-362-0040 John Hanley 517-669-8658 Dr. Paul E. Harvey 814-849-5495 Kim Himes 814-849-8824 Edward Kuntz (Endowment Fund Chairman) 814-781-6296 Brad Miller 814-849-7693 Tommy Turner 724-539-8580 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs > Hi all, > > It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of > Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip > so that would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who > know, is the museum open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so > close it would be great if I could visit. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 21 13:28:36 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:28:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics References: Message-ID: <00b401cac935$161931c0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Thanks for the photos, as if we were there! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Livingstone" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally pics >I have not had time to caption them as yet but here are some pics from > Canberra: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can10/index.htm > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:17:50 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > There are also Pincor Gen-E-Motor who made the WS No12 power supply unit, which had 230V AC and 12V DC to run Army radios in the field (talking WWII and just after here) We have a couple or so of the BSA sets, one of which went to the Wings of LIberation Museum near Eindhoven last year while we were at Nuenen, the two Pincor units we have will be going there this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:20:00 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:20:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025161003211420u69b644b5n6da22805b55eeb4b@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ? A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > identify. can you guys please help. > Here is the ASECC link that I mentioned in an earlier message: http://www.asecc.com/data/iron/ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Mar 21 14:25:06 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:25:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za>, <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Can you tell us a little more about the museum in Eindhoven, I'd like to go there next trip to Neunen. Thanks Steve > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:17:50 +0000 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity > > On 21 March 2010 13:50, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi All, > > A friend sent a few pics of a small battery charging set to > > identify. can you guys please help. > > > > There are also Pincor Gen-E-Motor who made the WS No12 power supply > unit, which had 230V AC and 12V DC to run Army radios in the field > (talking WWII and just after here) > > We have a couple or so of the BSA sets, one of which went to the Wings > of LIberation Museum near Eindhoven last year while we were at Nuenen, > the two Pincor units we have will be going there this year. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 21 14:54:20 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring In-Reply-To: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.n et> References: <15882506.1269200002504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4595f0ce87dea56753b9c2e6b6fc82b3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tim, If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not I-70. I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only about 15 or 20 minutes south of Brookville. The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org and their phone number is 814-849-6883 Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be there. That show is awesome. If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings and show you around at times other than their open days. See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of > Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that > would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum > open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I > could visit. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Mar 21 15:08:33 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Message-ID: <13033051.1269209313842.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> After doing a map check it looks like I will be heading North out of Columbus OH on I-71 so I won't even be close to Coolsprings but thanks to both you and Mike for the info. If I could hold off I would but due to time problems and my traveling companion, it looks as we will be leaving this Thursday. He needs to retrive his items right away. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Mar 21, 2010 5:54 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring > >Tim, > >If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not I-70. >I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. > >If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only about 15 >or 20 minutes south of Brookville. > >The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org >and their phone number is 814-849-6883 > >Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. >The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. > >If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be there. That >show is awesome. > >If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings and show >you around at times other than their open days. > >See ya, Arnie > >On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >> It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part of >> Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the trip so that >> would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is the museum >> open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be great if I >> could visit. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 21 15:39:24 2010 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:39:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring References: <13033051.1269209313842.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a901cac947$5bb68630$6401a8c0@PC179134136174> The Tod Engine Heritage Park is on I-80 just inside the Ohio border, but if you are going up I-71 you are probably going straight to I-90 in Cleveland. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring > After doing a map check it looks like I will be heading North out of > Columbus OH on I-71 so I won't even be close to Coolsprings but thanks to > both you and Mike for the info. If I could hold off I would but due to > time problems and my traveling companion, it looks as we will be leaving > this Thursday. He needs to retrive his items right away. > > Tim Christoff > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Arnie Fero >>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 5:54 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring >> >>Tim, >> >>If you're headed for the northern part of PA, you want to be on I-80 not >>I-70. >>I-70 runs across the southern part of the state. >> >>If you're on I-80 and you exit onto PA36 at Brookville, Coolspring is only >>about 15 >>or 20 minutes south of Brookville. >> >>The Coolspring website is: http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org >>and their phone number is 814-849-6883 >> >>Their first official "open days" with running engines are April 17-18. >>The next is May 15-16 and the 2010 Exposition is June 17-19. >> >>If you can hold off a couple of months, June would be the time to be >>there. That >>show is awesome. >> >>If not, give 'em a call. Sometimes they are willing to open the buildings >>and show >>you around at times other than their open days. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Sun, March 21, 2010 3:33 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >>> It looks as though next weekend I will be driveing to the Northern Part >>> of >>> Pennsylvania to pick up a new toy. I will be on I-70 for most of the >>> trip so that >>> would put me very close to Cool Springs. For those of you who know, is >>> the museum >>> open for veiwing during the winter months? Being so close it would be >>> great if I >>> could visit. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Mar 21 20:43:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:43:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! Message-ID: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> See: http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=5016125 At every show to which we go Arnie and I experience the same temptations to which Tiger is subjected! We understand Tiger's problem and deal with his/our affelection. We can never know how Tiger attemptsbhis salvation, but Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a superfluity of naughtiness! (See: Jamnes 1:21) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 21 21:19:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:19:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! In-Reply-To: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> References: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2010, at 8:43 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a > superfluity of naughtiness! And you make such a CUTE couple. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Mar 21 23:09:09 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:09:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] We Understand! References: <173E6773-F08A-4DD5-A4DF-DFF1F25F0A2C@me.com> Message-ID: <92B41AB3ADC54B57A6D2537E2B318DAC@regpc> Cute meaning 'Ugly but appealing' Er, which is what?? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] We Understand! > On Mar 21, 2010, at 8:43 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> Arnie and I are ALWAYS trying to acheive a >> superfluity of naughtiness! > > And you make such a CUTE couple. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 03:09:19 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:09:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001d01cac8e5$7f894910$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <2B1F4A3B58A741E3A83FEDA11B80FC6A@KerryPC> Congratulations to The Canberra Club for a great Rally, always a good rally this one was one of the best in relation to Great Engines, great settings, great accommodation and above all a friendly rally. well done boys Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 05:04:00 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Serial number location In-Reply-To: <1026109101.11444791269259230186.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <1847139163.11445221269259439988.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All, I have been looking for the serial number on my Stover 2hp model "Y". Have completely polished the more common areas with a wire wheel such as on the water hopper front face, back, both sides and top around the opening and bottom. Also both flywheel tops and rims and the base section, also the crankshaft,yokes, ends,keyways and still no numbers. I did find the ignition mark stamping. Hopefully someone has similiar engine and can help? thank you in advance, Curt Andree From curt at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 22 06:25:11 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:25:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Elden, This will be a fun project to see developed. Have you considered moving the exhaust valve operating mechanism to the top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the crudy products of combustion and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. Curt Holland > Gang: > > In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. > > This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked > him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the > original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the > same principle. > > BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or > cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a > small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power > stroke. > > It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds > really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during > the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, > SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, > WHOOSH, etc". > > It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of > The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either > direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be > reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and > starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that > at full power. > > If you wanna have a look, go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html > > Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 10:00:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Hmmmm ...... good point ...... but I can't put the ports at the side because the wrist pin will interfere with the lower port and add a bit more volume. Whether or not that makes a difference is a good question. On top will work, but it will interfere with the oiler and the water outlet, which is at the front and maybe in the head itself if there's room in there for drilled water passages. There may be an advantage in having the valve actuator piston at the bottom. Lubrication. Some cylinder oil will necessarily be included in the stream of combustion gas into the valve cylinder and it would be good for lubrication. If it ends up accumulating there and messes with it's operation, I could just drill a very small hole in the valve cylinder at the end of the stroke so the piston will uncover it when it bottoms-out and blows out any junk that may be there. It gives me something to think about. ........ ........ well, back to the shop for some more FUN. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Elden, > This will be a fun project to see developed. > > Have you considered moving the exhaust valve > operating mechanism to the > top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the > crudy products of combustion > and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. > > Curt Holland From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Mar 22 10:04:11 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:04:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Kerry wrote: > Arnie got to apologize for my camera, It took photos of a Lorenz at > the > Sydney Rally without me knowing 8-)). > Blown up to me it is 9106 and is owned by Merv Sutton with clearly > your name > on his information board and to contact you if anyone has another, > which > only supports the idea that other have in that you only maintain a > black > hole. > Have spoken to the camera it will let me know if I ever see another > one > > Always on the look out Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 12:18:39 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:18:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please help with identity In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100321154801.00d06598@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025161003211417x431fd2f5qd09d11c49e4d7a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025161003221218x4a9f9426qae152e1b9a40d27a@mail.gmail.com> On 21 March 2010 21:25, Steve Royster wrote: > > Hi Peter, Can you tell us a little more about the museum in Eindhoven, I'd like to go there next trip to Neunen. Thanks Steve > Hi Steve: It's a place that is on the site of an unused NATO logistics base, in a place called Best, near to Eindhoven, 15 minutes drive or so from Nuenen. They have a couple of C-47's, a LOT of wheeled and tracked stuff, plus a very comprehensive collection of WWII radio equipment, all restored and working, from the Allies, Germany, Russia etc. It has a very large restaurant out front with a Sherman tank sitting in the trees. I posted a lot of pictures of the radio stuff here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu7.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu8.htm The museum website is at: http://www.wingsofliberation.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1&lang=en When we went there with Jan Helleman, the radio restorer, it was closed because of the public holiday, but we will be seeing him this year and can ask in advance about access if you are over for the show again, or in future. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 12:46:43 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:46:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must hit in order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Elden, This will be a fun project to see developed. Have you considered moving the exhaust valve operating mechanism to the top or side of the cylinder, to keep all the crudy products of combustion and oil from pouring into that mechanism? Just a thought. Curt Holland > Gang: > > In case you're interested, I've started another engine project. > > This time, I saw Steve Royster's McVicker engine thread and casually asked > him for some information. Steve was good enough to send me a copy of the > original 1901 patent and I've decided to build an engine that runs on the > same principle. > > BTW, the McVicker is a four-cycle Otto-cycle engine but it has no gears or > cams. The exhaust valve is operated by overpressure that is ported to a > small cylinder which operates the exhaust valve at the end of the power > stroke. > > It's hit and miss in operation and Steve says that his McVicker sounds > really wierd when it's "coasting" because the valves remain closed during > the "coasting" period. I guess the sound is sorta like, "BANG, WHOOSH, > SUCK, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, EXPAND, SQUEEZE, BANG, > WHOOSH, etc". > > It's gonna be interesting to see how it runs. While doing the design of > The McVickerish Engine, I've come to the conclusion that it can run either > direction with, at most, a tweak of the ignition timing. It may be > reversible by advancing the spark to the point the engine backfires and > starts in the other direction. I don't think, though, I'd want to do that > at full power. > > If you wanna have a look, go here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/McVickerish/McVickerish.Html > > Take care - Elden (starting to have fun) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 22 13:25:52 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:25:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag Message-ID: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I noted the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The old folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to imprint this on each clip they made. _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and noted that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor flange mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I guess IH made everything they could for their engines. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Mar 22 13:47:24 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Hello all, I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? Thanks, Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 13:48:22 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:48:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> Message-ID: <3B1D784DAEC34FDDBEA0C949931D73FE@KerryPC> Rob Well mate at least we have found one, fairly low if he could not think of his own set of words, but then again what is the chance of being found out. Glad I did not say anything about Arnies great register Kerry > Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who > pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd > rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, > and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. > > Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit > this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you > see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! > > Rob > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/22/10 06:33:00 From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Mar 22 14:22:08 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:22:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally References: <8299469692B6445E976B487F3DC4E905@KerryPC> <3B1D784DAEC34FDDBEA0C949931D73FE@KerryPC> Message-ID: <002b01caca05$baf9c9e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Alleged register!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally > Rob > Well mate at least we have found one, fairly low if he could not think of > his own set of words, but then again what is the chance of being found > out. > Glad I did not say anything about Arnies great register > > Kerry > >> Kerry, can you also be on the lookout for Australian Pirates who >> pilfer the intellectual property of hard working Americans? I'd >> rather not have to call Obama and create an international incident, >> and think it would be better if we handled this among ourselves. >> >> Take another gander at your picture of the Lorenz placard, then visit >> this webpage, http://engines.rustyiron.com/lorenz and tell me if you >> see any similarities. The resemblance is uncanny! >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/22/10 > 06:33:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 22 14:33:49 2010 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:33:49 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Message-ID: <7A81CD22B5E24F498A8C9B6AD9207235@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Mike, Have you tried John Wanat in CT, he is a sponsor on Harrys,email address is kingpoleAC at aol.com ; hope this is of some use to you. Cheers, Craig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank > Hello all, > > I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen > cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If > you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? > > Thanks, > Mike > > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 07:33:00 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Mar 22 14:39:28 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:39:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> Message-ID: <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> Mike I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! John Wanat & Sons P.O. Box 275 West Redding, CT 06896 203-938-3771 Kingpoleacaol.com Keith On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking for an original style repro gas tank for my 1907 4 hp, screen cooled, IHC Famous/Osborne engine that is mounted on a buzz saw rig. If you know of someone who makes these, could you send me their contact info? > > Thanks, > Mike > > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Mar 22 15:56:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jim, There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve is opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. See ya, Arnie On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must hit in > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't fire and no > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 16:58:41 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: The McVicker engine will always suck a charge after firing (and operating the exhaust valve). After the exhaust is gone, the automatic inlet valve allows a fresh charge to be sucked in. While the engine is "missing", the charge is just compressed and expanded 'til the next time the plug fires it at TDC or thereabouts. If there is leakage past the rings during the "miss" period, a small vacuum will be present upon the next expansion and a little more fuel/air will be drawn in. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 02:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it > sounds like the engine must hit in order to > operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the > engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held > open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > Jim K From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 17:15:45 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Message-ID: Steve: I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe with the union on it that goes to the exhaust port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the exhaust relief port. Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 16:22:02 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which means no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on not opening the intake valve. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Jim, > > There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. > The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve > is > opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must > hit in > > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't > fire and no > > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:24:02 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve piston, I think the small piston uncovers the port in the valve cage at the end of it's downward travel and this small port lets the small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If you hold your finger over the port when it fires there is very little pressure coming from it. I have to take the cage off and replace the bolts with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > Steve: > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe with the union on it that goes to the exhaust port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the exhaust relief port. > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Mar 22 18:50:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:50:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: Hmmm! The drawing on the patent you sent doesn't show the exhaust from the valve cylinder going anywhere but to the back of the cylinder when it gets to the top of the stroke. That must have been added later. I think I'll leave it out and just let the valve cylinder exhaust beneath the piston. If there is an oil/crud buildup in the valve cylinder, I can probably get away with a very small hole that opens to the atmosphere right at the top of the valve piston stroke. The hole would have to be very small to not interfere with operation of the exhaust valve system. When I do the finalization of the exhaust valve mechanism, I'll have to come up with a way to seal the port pipes in the water jacket (I may just weld 'em in) and attach the checkvalve/piston part to these pipes. I think I know how I'll do it but won't actually do the dimensioned drawing until I've cogitated on it a bit. I would like to see the pics of your disassembled engine even though I probably won't do the diagonal exhaust valve and cage on my engine due to complexity. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to > relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve > piston, I think the small piston uncovers the > port in the valve cage at the end of it's > downward travel and this small port lets the > small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and > oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If > you hold your finger over the port when it fires > there is very little pressure coming from it. I > have to take the cage off and replace the bolts > with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Steve: > > > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe > with the union on it that goes to the exhaust > port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the > exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the > exhaust relief port. > > > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 17:59:05 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:59:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep turning over. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which means no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on not opening the intake valve. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Jim, > > There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. > The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the intake valve > is > opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the engine must > hit in > > order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine doesn't > fire and no > > valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 18:07:09 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: Message-ID: Thank you Elden,I think my misunderstanding is coming from trying to equate how a modern engine runs versus these older ones. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: The McVicker engine will always suck a charge after firing (and operating the exhaust valve). After the exhaust is gone, the automatic inlet valve allows a fresh charge to be sucked in. While the engine is "missing", the charge is just compressed and expanded 'til the next time the plug fires it at TDC or thereabouts. If there is leakage past the rings during the "miss" period, a small vacuum will be present upon the next expansion and a little more fuel/air will be drawn in. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 02:47 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > How can this engine be a hit and miss when it > sounds like the engine must hit in order to > operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the > engine doesn't fire and no valve is being held > open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 18:15:10 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes Tom. People in the USA used to have pride in what they did. Have you noticed lately how many auto manufactures don't any longer put their brand on the back of their cars? Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I > noted > the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The > old > folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to > imprint > this on each clip they made. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > > I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and > noted > that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor > flange > mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I > guess IH > made everything they could for their engines. > > Tom Schmutz From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 18:20:23 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate either! Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If > neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the > engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob > brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very > quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine > to keep turning over. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which > means > no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on > not > opening the intake valve. > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero > wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >> intake valve >> is >> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>> engine must >> hit in >>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>> doesn't >> fire and no >>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Mar 22 18:38:07 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:38:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45E03E5ECA884A83BFE09E76CBD7E39C@D2JYVHJ1> Tom, I guess some folks are still proud of their work. I was in Wal-Mart the other day and everything I picked up had "Made in China" on it.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I > noted > the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The > old > folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to > imprint > this on each clip they made. > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > > I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and > noted > that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor > flange > mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I > guess IH > made everything they could for their engines. > > Tom Schmutz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/22/10 19:44:00 From donreneau at netzero.net Mon Mar 22 18:42:39 2010 From: donreneau at netzero.net (donreneau at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:42:39 GMT Subject: [SEL] small motor driven generators et al tiny tim, airline etc. Message-ID: <20100322.204239.21521.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Mark Shulaw continentalTo: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Please help with identity Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:51 -0400 I think the Tiny Tim was the little Delco set. Smaller by a little > Continental engines made the :Tiny Tim for sale by Sears& Roebuck in 6v,12v &32 volt units;> >_________________________Airline for sale by Montgomery Ward Airline their radio brand _Delco made a slightly smaller unit named Little Joe_____________________ >SEL mailing listDon Reneau donreneau at netzero.net >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: >03/21/10 07:33:00 Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=TGfAJokW0cgpk8tSbJOWwwAAJ1GD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From jbcast at charter.net Mon Mar 22 18:50:34 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:50:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100322215034.YOFUC.3417746.root@mp18> ---- "Kangas wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep turning over. The jake brake was invented because a Diesel has little braking on it's own. A gasoline engine has a throttle plate and vacuum helps slow the engine. Exhaust brakes use a butterfly in the exhaust to restrict flow and build back pressure. Modern variable displacement engines close both valves on a cylinder, the compression acts as a spring and uses very little energy. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Mar 22 18:56:23 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if your remark might be an inside joke. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate either! Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If > neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the > engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob > brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very > quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine > to keep turning over. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which > means > no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on > not > opening the intake valve. > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero > wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >> intake valve >> is >> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>> engine must >> hit in >>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>> doesn't >> fire and no >>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Mar 22 20:17:01 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100323031652.1629592D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark At 04:25 PM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >While doing some spring tune-up of the Podlesak mag for my Famous I noted >the writing on the wire clip. FAHNESTOCK Pat. April 07 (1907). The old >folks sure were proud of their work and went to a lot of trouble to imprint >this on each clip they made. > >_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak mag.jpg_ >(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/podlsak%20mag.jpg) > > >I was also doing some cleaning on the gas tank for the Famous and noted >that International Harvester had imprinted their IH logo on a floor flange >mounted on the underside of the tank for the outlet gas pipe. I guess IH >made everything they could for their engines. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at AOL.com Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 20:40:02 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:40:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such as the JJ work by not opening the exhuast valve so that they miss against compression. A little odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why Crossleys did this but they were often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04111306.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 22 20:51:52 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:51:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20E12AB2-262F-4C46-A583-6BC7AA174C53@me.com> Hell Jim, Fred knew "basically nothing about [his] MAYTAG [MOTORS] Most of the time they would NOT start unless the ambient terepurture was at least 76 degrees! Clearly that temp was NOWHERE THAT MAYTAG MOTOR WAS BROUGHT INTO THE KITCHEN AND THENN WNEN THE MAYTAG MAN GOT THERE THE MAYTAG WARMED UP AND THEN WOULD FIRE WHEN KICKRD Dave On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing > that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also > I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if > yourCUSSIOS remark might be an inside joke. > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate > either! > Dave > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If >> neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the >> engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob >> brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very >> quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine >> to keep turning over. >> Jim K >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick >> Livingstone >> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> >> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which >> means >> no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on >> not >> opening the intake valve. >> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero >> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >>> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >>> intake valve >>> is >>> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>>> engine must >>> hit in >>>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>>> doesn't >>> fire and no >>>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Mar 22 21:08:21 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:08:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <6b24039d167caf5476b0088649b4709f.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><669384cc25bc89b05da4f421d56cca88.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><871ed611003221622t26ae7aa4n5d17cd4e3f586699@mail.gmail.com> <20E12AB2-262F-4C46-A583-6BC7AA174C53@me.com> Message-ID: <5DD6D78F8EFE45B5A43BB8AB501E9AE2@regpc> Wot ya drinkin Dave? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > Hell Jim, Fred knew "basically nothing about [his] MAYTAG [MOTORS] > Most of the time they would NOT start unless the ambient terepurture > was at least 76 degrees! Clearly that temp was NOWHERE THAT MAYTAG > MOTOR WAS BROUGHT INTO THE KITCHEN AND THENN WNEN THE MAYTAG MAN > GOT THERE THE MAYTAG WARMED UP AND THEN WOULD FIRE WHEN KICKRD > Dave > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> I know basically nothing about MAYTAG engines. I do remember hearing >> that they were two-cycle which made me think of a chain saw. Also >> I've noticed that MAYTAGS get a lot of grief here so I'm not sure if >> yourCUSSIOS remark might be an inside joke. >> Jim K >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 9:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: >> >>> Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a little puzzled. If >>> neither the exhaust nor intake valve is opened at any time while the >>> engine is missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's Jacob >>> brake? The compression without firing will stop the engine very >>> quickly if it was not for the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine >>> to keep turning over. >>> Jim K >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Patrick >>> Livingstone >>> Sent: Mon 3/22/2010 7:22 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >>> >>> >>> >>> Crossley kerosene engines govern on not opening the fuel valve which >>> means >>> no valves are open when they are missing. My Bartram also works on >>> not >>> opening the intake valve. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Arnie Fero >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> There's a lot of hit & miss engines that don't hold a valve open. >>>> The Lorenz is one. The only time the engine fires is when the >>>> intake valve >>>> is >>>> opened to admit a fuel charge. They run beautifully. >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:46 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote: >>>>> How can this engine be a hit and miss when it sounds like the >>>>> engine must >>>> hit in >>>>> order to operate the exhaust valve?It would seem if the engine >>>>> doesn't >>>> fire and no >>>>> valve is being held open the engine would quickly slow to a stop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >>> entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The >>> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 22 21:29:28 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:29:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On a petrol Hornsby the governor does not open the fuel inlet valve when over speed but it has a second valve that lets air only in when over speed this prevents the condition Jim spoke about. Kerry > I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such as the JJ work by not > opening the exhuast valve so that they miss against compression. A little > odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why Crossleys did this but they > were > often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 04:53:33 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:53:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag In-Reply-To: <20100323031652.1629592D7@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <37DD8BD1ACBA429BB0F50E4D6BBC7476@laruecounty.courthouse> Mark, I don't know if its changed or not but many years ago I had a friend who is in the construction business. He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. He could take a couple of friends with him and he asked me to come along. It was something to see. While they didn't mine the ore the iron came into one end of the plant and the finished machine came out the other. Most everything from start to finish was done there at the plant. I don't know if this is still the case or not. That was before the days of electronic controls on the machines and I don't know how much of this is done by Cat and how much is from outside sources. At the time I asked the tour guide why Cat did so much of it in house. He told me it was all about quality control and the only way Cat could assure the quality they want is by doing it themselves. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Mar 23 05:23:39 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:23:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag Message-ID: <3b98a.1d5ab886.38da0ccb@aol.com> In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. I too was fortunate to take a Cat plant tour in Peoria many years ago. They sure put on a show for us! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 06:52:21 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:52:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: If you are correct about the exhaust port at the end of the valve piston's stroke, it makes sense. That port would allow overpressure in that cylinder to be released and the valve piston would retreat a short distance toward the head of the valve cylinder to close the port and hold there until the power piston skirt cleared the port to let the pressure escape. In your engine, the valve cylinder overpressure is routed to the power cylinder exhaust port. If I end-up drilling the small hole to let out the oil/crud, it will be in the same position and, if needed, I can simply increase the hole size a little and either let it "spit" directly into the atmosphere or I could plumb it to the exhaust pipe. This would alleviate some of the hammering of the exhaust valve piston due to overpressure, allowing the exhaust valve to "overopen" due to momentum of the valve piston and valve gear, then settle back to a smaller opening for the rest of the stroke. Ingenious guy, that McVicker! Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Hi Elden, I believe this is only a small port to > relieve the pressure from the lower exhaust valve > piston, I think the small piston uncovers the > port in the valve cage at the end of it's > downward travel and this small port lets the > small amount of pressure and unburned fuel and > oil blow out the pipe to the man exhaust pipe. If > you hold your finger over the port when it fires > there is very little pressure coming from it. I > have to take the cage off and replace the bolts > with studs soon and I'll take pics for you. Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:15:45 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Steve: > > > > I was looking at the photos again. Is the pipe > with the union on it that goes to the exhaust > port an actual ported exhaust setup? If so, the > exhaust valve actuating port must be ahead of the > exhaust relief port. > > > > Disorganized (disordered?) minds need to know. :-) > > > > Take care - Elden > > edurand at mchsi.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________________________________________________ > _______________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful > SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 06:54:39 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 07:03:43 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:03:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave: Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. Others may differ. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > on a MAYTAG operate > either! > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 23 07:09:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:09:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Very nice engine! I have one comment though. Historically, it must have some relation to the Maytag "motor". I noted in the photo of your engine that there was definite evidence of blue smoke which is characteristic of those infernal Maytag things. :-) I'm sure the sound of your engine is a bit more pleasant. Note: I've got to stop this Maytag bashing! There's the definite possibility that I could take on some of Dave's characteristics ....... EEK! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:40 PM > To: ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > I was back to front on the Crossley. Engines such > as the JJ work by not > opening the exhuast valve so that they miss > against compression. A little > odd but it seems to work. I am not sure why > Crossleys did this but they were > often well ahead of everyone else in experimentation. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/041 > 11306.JPG > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 09:50:50 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:50:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Elden: This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson Observatory. What I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and then killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and 45 seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing but also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 minutes to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against compression probably is a little more efficient than not. Larry At 06:54 AM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >Jim: > >Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true >compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and >expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and >giving (most of) it back on expansion. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Mar 23 09:59:47 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:59:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Hi Elden and Dave Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s Dolly On 23/03/2010 14:03, Elden DuRand wrote: > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 23 10:28:57 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:28:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3972DF8F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Larry, Interesting experiment. I'd never really thought about engines governing against compression that the expanding of the compressed air does return some of the energy used to compress it so it is not a total loss. Although I'm not sure your experiment is a good comparison between governing against compression and the common method of holding the exhaust valve open. If your compression release is a much smaller opening that that provided by an open exhaust valve, then I wouldn't have the same effect. Your experiment did show that keeping the valves closed does take longer for the engine to come to a complete stop. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Elden: This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson Observatory. What I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and then killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and 45 seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing but also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 minutes to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against compression probably is a little more efficient than not. Larry This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From oldironnut at windstream.net Tue Mar 23 10:29:16 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:29:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> Thanks Keith, He's got just what I need. Mike On Mar 22, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Mike > I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. > > Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! > John Wanat & Sons > P.O. Box 275 > West Redding, CT 06896 > 203-938-3771 > Kingpoleacaol.com ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From gop4evr at lsol.net Tue Mar 23 11:10:58 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back Message-ID: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Mar 23 11:25:39 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:25:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <4BA907A3.2040204@accnorwalk.com> I guess we better watch what we say about you then!! Welcome Back! Doug T Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Mar 23 11:46:10 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:46:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <219DBAC4-06CC-4AF7-BD17-EBB7B97FE0CC@herculesengines.com> Welcome bak Nels. How's that Hercules doing? Keith On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Mar 23 11:48:34 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:48:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Famous Gas Tank In-Reply-To: <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> References: <19ac0.67a7c331.38d92c50@aol.com> <52CC71BB-C125-47A5-AE85-ECAD95467430@windstream.net> <0FAC30C2-8286-4E8C-918E-7032D2B08073@herculesengines.com> <03342302-3C7F-410B-8768-C06FACA5CE72@windstream.net> Message-ID: You're welcome Mike. John does very nice work. Keith On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Thanks Keith, > > He's got just what I need. > > Mike > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > >> Mike >> I'd contact this guy and see if he has them. >> >> Low tension ignition coils, battery boxes, crank guards, fuel tanks and cooling tanks in stock! >> John Wanat & Sons >> P.O. Box 275 >> West Redding, CT 06896 >> 203-938-3771 >> Kingpoleacaol.com > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at windstream.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 12:20:53 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 12:50:48 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:50:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, The McVickers were built in models some call "fully automatic" and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube video is a semi automatic. They had a valve chest on the side of the engine rather than the valve underneath. The fully automatic's are like the one Steve Royster has (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is piston tripped on the semi's. Both miss under compression. If you notice the one in the video its very smooth and you really can't tell that its missing under compression. The secret to these engines running good is for them to have great compression. If they do, then they compress the charge and then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to push the piston back out. The action/reaction is equalized. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From curt at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 13:03:02 2010 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I'm back In-Reply-To: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> References: <4BA90432.6070102@lsol.net> Message-ID: <9ae227f065ff2dd6205eaf5c27cff620.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Hey Nels, welcome back after all these years. You'll be happy to know that Missy took your teaching of how to do Wisconsin style brats to heart and she cooks 'em all the time now. She cooks them for the SEL at Cotton Ginning Days and last Saturday made a big batch for the Boy Scouts who were over at our new place having a fishing day. Those teenage boys devoured 30 brats in a flash! Curt & Missy Holland Bessemer City, NC > Just a quick (OT) note to say I'm back. I had fits a few months ago > trying to sign up again and I gave up for awhile. Today it worked. > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 13:12:57 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:12:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Podlesak mag References: <37DD8BD1ACBA429BB0F50E4D6BBC7476@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: I thought there was something in the news the other day where Cat said it would be closing some of it's plants in the south and move the operations to the United Kingdom. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 7:53 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Podlesak mag Mark, I don't know if its changed or not but many years ago I had a friend who is in the construction business. He was buying a new Cat dozer and they offered him the opportunity to go to the plant in Peoria, IL and view the operations. He could take a couple of friends with him and he asked me to come along. It was something to see. While they didn't mine the ore the iron came into one end of the plant and the finished machine came out the other. Most everything from start to finish was done there at the plant. I don't know if this is still the case or not. That was before the days of electronic controls on the machines and I don't know how much of this is done by Cat and how much is from outside sources. At the time I asked the tour guide why Cat did so much of it in house. He told me it was all about quality control and the only way Cat could assure the quality they want is by doing it themselves. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Things sure have changed from the days when a company actually made everything they sold. Now all a "Holding" company owns is the name brand and distribution rights. And hires everyone else to make their product. Gone are the days like with Ford Motor company when they even owned the mines the metal ore was mined from, the trucks that hauled it to the rail yard, the cars on the line, the ships that hauled it to the smelters and on down the line. Ford farmed out very little in comparison to today. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 13:31:53 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:31:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: Thank you Tommy for your explanation. I didn't know there were the two types of Mcvickers.I really like the one in the video with it's mechanism to push the valve in. Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 3:50 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim, The McVickers were built in models some call "fully automatic" and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube video is a semi automatic. They had a valve chest on the side of the engine rather than the valve underneath. The fully automatic's are like the one Steve Royster has (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is piston tripped on the semi's. Both miss under compression. If you notice the one in the video its very smooth and you really can't tell that its missing under compression. The secret to these engines running good is for them to have great compression. If they do, then they compress the charge and then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to push the piston back out. The action/reaction is equalized. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Jim: Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > turning over. > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 23 13:52:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> References: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48739788-1899-4260-838C-8614DB5DFBD4@me.com> Hell Dolly, I've known for years that you were different! Dave PS, Jim, you are a GOOD GUY for letting Dolly use your 'puter! (I hope she PROPERLY thanks you!) On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi Elden and Dave > > Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s > > Dolly > > On 23/03/2010 14:03, Elden DuRand wrote: >> Dave: >> >> Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG >> "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely >> circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel >> better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. >> >> Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product >> they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product >> and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show >> grounds. >> >> They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just >> very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually >> converted is that which is required to keep them turning after >> repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all >> the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating >> sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. >> >> Others may differ. :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 13:55:55 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1AwYAqZ-w Hi Jim, This is the video of mine running so you can se the difference. Steve > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 > From: james.kangas at timken.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > > turning over. > > Jim K > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 15:10:49 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:10:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: , Message-ID: Thank you Steve,I'll check it out when I get home from work. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Steve Royster Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 4:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1AwYAqZ-w Hi Jim, This is the video of mine running so you can se the difference. Steve > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:20:53 -0400 > From: james.kangas at timken.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine is not working as a true compressor when it is in "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and expanded, acting more like a spring - taking energy on compression and giving (most of) it back on expansion. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:59 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Thank you Arnie and Patrick but I'm still a > > little puzzled. If neither the exhaust nor intake > > valve is opened at any time while the engine is > > missing wouldn't that be like a Diesel using it's > > Jacob brake? The compression without firing will > > stop the engine very quickly if it was not for > > the vehicle's momentum forcing the engine to keep > > turning over. > > Jim K > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 15:50:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:50:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Larry Evans wrote: > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson > Observatory. What > I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and > then > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and > 45 > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing > but > also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 > minutes > to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against > compression > probably is a little more efficient than not. Sounds like a fun experiment, Larry. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 15:54:45 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01E242FA31F94DA490C452301ECA4EE6@tommydk7hxjr4h> He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. Jim K. ________________________________ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 23 16:04:39 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about engines on this list? J.B. Castagnos Bele Rose, LA From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 16:54:28 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:54:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 7:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about engines on this list? J.B. Castagnos Bele Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Mar 23 16:56:05 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:56:05 GMT Subject: [SEL] I'm back Message-ID: <20100323.195605.26621.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hi Nels,, Welcome back.. Joe Kelley in Maine ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3ECaOUXq1C8QkgIE4ewuRAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 23 16:58:58 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:58:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: On Mar 23, 2010, at 4:04 PM, wrote: > An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the cooling effect of > the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 cycles took this to the extreme, > intake, compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. When you > compress air you're making heat as in a Diesel. Kinda strange, is it > OK to talk about engines on this list? > J.B. Castagnos > Bele Rose, LA Righteo, JB... but don't forget that after you finish converting mechanical energy into thermal energy by compression, the thermal energy is converted right back into mechanical energy as the compressed gas expands! The "open exhaust" system will not coast as long as the "compress/expand" system because it's pushing air in and out of the cylinder the whole time. All this pondering about engines is FUN! Rob From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Mar 23 16:57:40 2010 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:57:40 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__The_McVickerish_Engine_and_vi?= =?iso-8859-1?q?deo?= Message-ID: <20100323.195740.26621.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hey JB, talking about engines beats talking about health care! Makes a lot more sense!!! Joe ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=mRH4XzDCq5nXCKk07Mbq1wAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 17:12:21 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:12:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <01E242FA31F94DA490C452301ECA4EE6@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: , <01E242FA31F94DA490C452301ECA4EE6@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Jim, All ya gotta do is find him a stray Otto every now and then and he'll let a few rejects slip out! Steve. Woops , I didn't mean to give my secret away! > From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. > Jim K. > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Mar 23 18:22:29 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Message-ID: <443978.1269393749640.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Is an Otto some sort of mind altering drink that you and Mike came up with Steve? Told Tommy that you had an Otto for him and the next thing he knew was there was less engines in the barn and you were not there. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Royster >Sent: Mar 23, 2010 8:12 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > >Jim, All ya gotta do is find him a stray Otto every now and then and he'll let a few rejects slip out! Steve. Woops , I didn't mean to give my secret away! > >> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:54:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video >> >> He's slipped more than one out of my shed....he's good! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> Steve must be really good if he could slip an engine that size away. >> Jim K. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From jbcast at charter.net Tue Mar 23 18:53:07 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:53:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100323215307.VPO8N.3499301.root@mp12> ---- "Kangas wrote: > How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. > The Aeromotor had the cam geared 4 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. The exhaust lobe was large enough to keep it open for the 5 strokes. These were air cooled engines both internally and externally, didn't use a cooling fan. They were built to put on windmills and pump water when there was no wind. The idea was to start it and let it run unattended until it ran out of gas. J.B. Castagnos From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 18:58:48 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:58:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Jim, The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to dump the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing of the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. Larry At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 19:04:01 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:04:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <5794F754-B9F6-4C4F-8217-135B80FAE9AD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323190157.04442ea8@pop.att.yahoo.com> Rob, It was fun. The sound of about 1200 cubic inches of air per cylinder coming out of the 1/2 inch pipe compression release during the upstroke is quite impressive. Larry At 03:50 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Larry Evans wrote: > > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while back with the 50 hp. > > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount Wilson > > Observatory. What > > I did was run the engine up to its regulated speed of 290 rpm. and > > then > > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It took 2 minutes and > > 45 > > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did the exact same thing > > but > > also opened the compression releases at shut down. It took just 2 > > minutes > > to come to a stop which indicates to me that governing against > > compression > > probably is a little more efficient than not. > >Sounds like a fun experiment, Larry. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Mar 23 19:07:10 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:07:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63A1B1D7C2D94EF3839F4B7B4E264705@regpc> Out of interest, the one I own has a double lobe cam, making it a normal 4 cycle engine. It is original and could have been an export engine as they were sold for a while in Western Australia only. I know of only 3 original imports over here. I dont know about the cams on the others. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > Jim, > > The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft > gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam > shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold > the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the > governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away > with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air > cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to > dump > the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing > of > the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. > > Larry > > At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >>How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >>the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. >> Jim K. > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Mar 23 19:46:50 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> <6.0.1.1.2.20100323184522.044b9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Larry for your detailed explanation.I got to look up both the Aeromotor and Gade when I get home. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Larry Evans Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim, The Aermotor's cam shaft has a gear four times as large as the crankshaft gear so the crank turns four times instead of the usual two times per cam shaft rotation of a typical four stroke engine. The cam is shaped to hold the exhaust valve open all the time except during the firing cycle if the governor calls for it. This was probably the company's way of doing away with a belt driven fan for cooling. Another variation was the Gade air cooled engines that had an exhaust port at the bottom of the stroke to dump the hot gasses out and then the exhaust valve allowed the final clearing of the cylinder. This also did away with the need for a cooling fan. Larry At 04:54 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >How did the Aeromotor hold the exhaust valve open for 5 strokes? Venting >the cylinder that way does make sense from a cooling stand point. > Jim K. Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Mar 23 20:25:54 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:25:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <443978.1269393749640.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <86CEB357F0D84809AD3F06CAF4F4A79F@laruecounty.courthouse> That's exactly what happens! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Is an Otto some sort of mind altering drink that you and Mike came up with Steve? Told Tommy that you had an Otto for him and the next thing he knew was there was less engines in the barn and you were not there. Tim From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:35:09 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:35:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100323093408.044beec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry: In a word, Interesting! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Larry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:51 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Elden: > > This reminds me of an experiment I ran a while > back with the 50 hp. > Fairbanks Morse spark ignited engine at the Mount > Wilson Observatory. What > I did was run the engine up to its regulated > speed of 290 rpm. and then > killed the ignition and fuel to shut it down. It > took 2 minutes and 45 > seconds to come to a complete stop. I then did > the exact same thing but > also opened the compression releases at shut > down. It took just 2 minutes > to come to a stop which indicates to me that > governing against compression > probably is a little more efficient than not. > > Larry From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:44:24 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:44:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, > Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems > to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on > behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine > is not working as a true compressor when it is in > "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and > expanded, acting more like a spring - taking > energy on compression and giving (most of) it > back on expansion. From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:46:20 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:46:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: Which came first, the semi automatic or the automatic version? For an obscure (to me at least) engine, there sure seems to be a lot of interest. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Jim, > The McVickers were built in models some > call "fully automatic" > and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube > video is a semi automatic. > They had a valve chest on the side of the engine > rather than the valve > underneath. The fully automatic's are like the > one Steve Royster has > (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is > piston tripped on the > semi's. Both miss under compression. If you > notice the one in the > video its very smooth and you really can't tell > that its missing under > compression. The secret to these engines running > good is for them to > have great compression. If they do, then they > compress the charge and > then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to > push the piston back > out. The action/reaction is equalized. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 06:55:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:55:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BA8F383.4070407@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: I think that we agree to disagree. :-) Just - PLEASE don't park your Fogger ...... er.......MAYTAG MOTOR next to me, lest I'm forced to do to yours what he did to his, using a rather cumbersome woodworking tool. Oh, yes - Dave and I were talking at Zolfo a couple of years ago and the subject of yourself came up. I think I dimly recall from many years back, someone by that name, a teenage exchange student I only knew as "Dolly". It was in the mid nineteen sixties and I was working as an all-nightrock-n-roll disc jockey (The Rudy Ratfink Show) at WAKY-AM in Louisville, KY, spinning the hits of the day. A rather hippie looking girl visited the transmitter site where I ran the show ....... I dimly recall rigging a trapeze from the framing of the antenna common-point tuner from which she performed some rather interesting acrobatics. Was that, perhaps, you? Mabe I remember in error. If so, my apologies. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Elden and Dave > > Yes, I differ. Well, Margaret Maytag and I. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXw1Tidh7s > > Dolly From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 07:02:38 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <20100323190439.ORH8I.3475202.root@mp06> Message-ID: J.B.: First, I enjoyed finally meeting you at Zolfo. It's always nice to meet someone I've corresponded with for years. You are "sort of" right about the heat of compression being a negative. Remember, though, that when the gas is expanded on the return stroke, the heat is given back up. Of course, not all of the heat/pressure is exchanged either way so the process isn't 100 percent efficient. To the list: I apologize for J.B. and myself for being off-topic for talking about engines. Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 06:05 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > An advantage to holding the exhaust open is the > cooling effect of the air in and out, Aeromotor 8 > cycles took this to the extreme, intake, > compression, power, 5 strokes with exhaust open. > When you compress air you're making heat as in a > Diesel. Kinda strange, is it OK to talk about > engines on this list? > J.B. Castagnos > Bele Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 07:07:08 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:07:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <63A1B1D7C2D94EF3839F4B7B4E264705@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: A few years ago, I also restored a 4-cycle Aermotor. The 4-cycle cam runs at a quarter crankshaft speed but has two lobes on it. There aren't many of those around. BTW, they can be converted back and forth from 4-cycle to 8-cycle by simply punching out the taper pin and swapping cams. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 09:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Out of interest, the one I own has a double lobe > cam, making it a normal 4 > cycle engine. It is original and could have been > an export engine as they > were sold for a while in Western Australia only. > I know of only 3 original > imports over here. I dont know about the cams on > the others. > Reg & Marg Ingold From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Mar 24 06:55:52 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:55:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The one that is referred to as fully automatic is the first version. This model is like Steve's and has the piston located under the engine that activates the exhaust valve. I've seen a few of these in a hopper cooled version but most were tank cooled. The later style has the valve box on the side with the pushrod run from a cam on the crankshaft. Most all of these are hopper cooled. Both are neat engines for sure. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 08:56:00 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:56:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: Thanks! Now I know the McVickerish I'm building is based on the original design. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 08:56 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > The one that is referred to as fully automatic is > the first version. > This model is like Steve's and has the piston > located under the engine > that activates the exhaust valve. I've seen a > few of these in a hopper > cooled version but most were tank cooled. The > later style has the valve > box on the side with the pushrod run from a cam > on the crankshaft. Most > all of these are hopper cooled. Both are neat > engines for sure. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Mar 24 08:16:47 2010 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:16:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAA2CDF.5030108@insulate.co.uk> Hi Elden I must have a word with Dave if he didn't put you right on that one. The mid nineteen sixties was when I put in my first appearance on this planet,so it's unlikely you saw me and my trapeze act then. Perhaps it was an ancestor of mine .... Dolly On 24/03/2010 13:55, Elden DuRand wrote: > Dolly: > > I think that we agree to disagree. :-) > > Just - PLEASE don't park your Fogger ...... er.......MAYTAG MOTOR next to me, lest I'm forced to do to yours what he did to his, using a rather cumbersome woodworking tool. > > Oh, yes - Dave and I were talking at Zolfo a couple of years ago and the subject of yourself came up. I think I dimly recall from many years back, someone by that name, a teenage exchange student I only knew as "Dolly". > > It was in the mid nineteen sixties and I was working as an all-nightrock-n-roll disc jockey (The Rudy Ratfink Show) at WAKY-AM in Louisville, KY, spinning the hits of the day. A rather hippie looking girl visited the transmitter site where I ran the show ....... I dimly recall rigging a trapeze from the framing of the antenna common-point tuner from which she performed some rather interesting acrobatics. > > Was that, perhaps, you? > > Mabe I remember in error. If so, my apologies. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 12:08:01 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:08:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: The more obscure an engine is the more interesting it is. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 9:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Tommy: Which came first, the semi automatic or the automatic version? For an obscure (to me at least) engine, there sure seems to be a lot of interest. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Jim, > The McVickers were built in models some > call "fully automatic" > and "semi automatic". The one in the YouTube > video is a semi automatic. > They had a valve chest on the side of the engine > rather than the valve > underneath. The fully automatic's are like the > one Steve Royster has > (that he slipped out of my shed). The ignitor is > piston tripped on the > semi's. Both miss under compression. If you > notice the one in the > video its very smooth and you really can't tell > that its missing under > compression. The secret to these engines running > good is for them to > have great compression. If they do, then they > compress the charge and > then the compressed air/fuel acts as a force to > push the piston back > out. The action/reaction is equalized. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 12:44:26 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:44:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: Elden, I looked up the patent to better understand the design. After reading the patent I wonder if McVickers took his inspiration from a gas operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 9:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I watched the video and I see at least two variations the McVicker engine went through. The one I'm basing The McVickerish Engine on is what I think is the original idea, covered in the patent, where there were no eccentrics, cams or gears and the exhaust valve was operated exclusively by cylinder overpressure. I could be mistaken, though. The earlier engine could be the one with the eccentric (cam?) on the crankshaft where overpressure simply shoves the pushrod up so the exhaust valve can operate after a power stroke and McVicker could have called his camless version the "improved" model. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 02:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > That explanation finally makes it clear to me, > Thank you again Elden > I can across this video of a McVickers that seems > to be different then the one you're building > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-_yxULB4s > > Jim K > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on > behalf of Elden DuRand > Sent: Tue 3/23/2010 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > Jim: > > Unlike Diesel exhaust brakes, the McVicker engine > is not working as a true compressor when it is in > "miss" mode. The mixture is compressed and > expanded, acting more like a spring - taking > energy on compression and giving (most of) it > back on expansion. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 15:13:54 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <4BAA2CDF.5030108@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: Egad! You are, indeed a spring chick(en)! A mere child! What are you doing hanging around with an old mouldy coot like Dave? Maybe the aforementioned girl was your maiden Aunt. Take care - Elden, another mouldy old coot. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Elden > > I must have a word with Dave if he didn't put you > right on that one. > The mid nineteen sixties was when I put in my > first appearance on this > planet,so it's unlikely you saw me and my trapeze > act then. Perhaps it > was an ancestor of mine .... > > Dolly From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 15:16:31 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:16:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Elden, > I looked up the patent to better understand the > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > Jim K From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Mar 24 14:39:46 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:39:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100324173842.0d35a660@ncweb.com> You mean it makes a "Ting!" sound on every 8th stoke? Dave Merchant At 06:16 PM 3/24/2010, Elden DuRand wrote: >Jim: > >I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a >startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. > >I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more >pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Kangas, > > James G. > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > > > Elden, > > I looked up the patent to better understand the > > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > > Jim K > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Mar 24 14:46:35 2010 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:46:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video References: Message-ID: The McVicker would be a lot more pleasant to be around for sure. Jim K ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 6:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:44 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > Elden, > I looked up the patent to better understand the > design. After reading the patent I wonder if > McVickers took his inspiration from a gas > operated semi-automatic gun. In both cases high > pressure gas is used to operate some part of the mechanism > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 16:02:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:02:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100324173842.0d35a660@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave M. (as opposed to Dave R.): Not exactly but there's a chance you could get an "M-1 Thumb" from cranking it the wrong way. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave > Merchant > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 04:40 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; The SEL email > discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > You mean it makes a "Ting!" sound on every 8th stoke? > > Dave Merchant > > > At 06:16 PM 3/24/2010, Elden DuRand wrote: > >Jim: > > > >I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the > McVicker engine bears a > >startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of > WWII fame, among others. > > > >I'm almost certain the sound of an operating > McVicker engine is much more > >pleasing to the ear than the sound of an > operating M1. :-) From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 18:13:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:13:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: New announcement: Fraudsters Charged In-Reply-To: <20100326001813.7DE582155BB@mx.scuztech.com> Message-ID: This from TOMM regarding the fraudsters who were causing problems here in Oz. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html ------ Forwarded Message From: Old Machinery Forums Dear Editor Could you pass on to your readers that Rodney Worth and others including Stuart Gorman and Michelle Barnes were charged in Lake Illawarra with a number of fraud offences. I will contact the people I had previously contacted regarding statements as we've been pretty busy. If there are other victims, could they contact me on email as I believe the name of Webb may have also been used recently. Thank you, Darren Kelly Lake Illawarra Police NSW Email: kell3dar at police.nsw.gov.au Phone: 02 4295 2640 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 18:38:11 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video Message-ID: "Jim: I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. I'm almost certain the sound of an operating McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-)" Elden, that depends entirely on the circumstances in which you find yourself, modifiable by which end of the rifle you are looking at - the round end, or the oblong end. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "He got that right," Hathcock said. "It was the hunt, not the killing." Carlos_Hathcock _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Mar 26 07:03:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: I MUCH prefer the oblong end of the rifle but still prefer the sound of the engine. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 08:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine and video > > > > "Jim: > > I'd say the valve operating mechanism of the > McVicker engine bears a startling resemblance > to the Garrand M1 rifle of WWII fame, among others. > > I'm almost certain the sound of an operating > McVicker engine is much more pleasing to the > ear than the sound of an operating M1. :-)" > > Elden, that depends entirely on the circumstances > in which you find yourself, modifiable by > which end of the rifle you are looking at - the > round end, or the oblong end. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 07:57:23 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Keep it up Elden?and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring my Shotgun Maytag. I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to then I will. ? I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does not know how to start a Maytag ENGINE. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: From: Elden DuRand Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM Dave: Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show grounds. They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just very efficient coasting devices.? The only energy actually converted is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal.? After all the kicking and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. Others may differ.? ? ? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >? Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > on a MAYTAG operate? > either! > ??? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Mar 27 11:32:27 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: So, YOU are the guy who had the Maytag MOTOR at Portland, hooked to an old shotgun! It sounded just like that gun woulda sounded if it were firing black powder shells ....... AND it smoked like it, too! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 09:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > Keep it up Elden?and I will just HAVE TO make it > to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day > but if I have to then I will. > ? > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just > because he does not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > ? > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand > wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any > time, MAYTAG "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag > "motor" owners have widely circulated the "myth > of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted > daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the > hydrocarbon product they are supposedly powered > by into a different hydrocarbon product and are, > in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up > show grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in > actuality, they are just very efficient coasting > devices.? The only energy actually converted is > that which is required to keep them turning after > repeatedly stomping on that infernal "starting" > pedal.? After all the kicking and cussing, their > only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ.? ? ? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >? Behalf Of David > > Rotigel > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > > > > > > Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve > > on a MAYTAG operate? > > either! > > ??? Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Mar 27 12:31:05 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:31:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <816029.93491.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3016968C-A378-4128-B151-8A84D7E85190@me.com> Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG > "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just > very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 14:56:59 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine In-Reply-To: <3016968C-A378-4128-B151-8A84D7E85190@me.com> Message-ID: <652609.22198.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Dave, Axe my Maytag and I will axe you. I do not take threats well at all. ? Alan --- On Sat, 3/27/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 3:31 PM Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I? assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! ??? Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to? FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to? > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does? > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG? > "motors" don't actually run.? Maytag "motor" owners have widely? > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel? > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product? > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product? > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show? > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just? > very efficient coasting devices.? The only energy actually converted? > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly? > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal.? After all the kicking? > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and? > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ.? ? ? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>???Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >>? ???Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Mar 27 15:32:58 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:32:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine References: <652609.22198.qm@web111718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <90B0EAF100F141D3B9FB77FFB3869BCA@regpc> Cabin Fever. Sigh! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine Hey Dave, Axe my Maytag and I will axe you. I do not take threats well at all. Alan --- On Sat, 3/27/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 3:31 PM Please DO bring it to Portland Alan AND set it up in the SEL area. I assure you that you will NOT have to listen to it all day! Dave PS, I may not know how to start a MAYTAG, but I sure know how to FINISH one! PPS, So many MAYTAGS, SO LITTLE TIME! On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Alan wrote: > Keep it up Elden and I will just HAVE TO make it to Portland and bring > my Shotgun Maytag. > > I hate listening to that thing cracking all day but if I have to > then I will. > > I expect that nonsense from Dave but that is just because he does > not know how > to start a Maytag ENGINE. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Elden DuRand wrote: > > > From: Elden DuRand > Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:03 AM > > > Dave: > > Because the valves don't actually operate at any time, MAYTAG > "motors" don't actually run. Maytag "motor" owners have widely > circulated the "myth of runnership" to try to make themselves feel > better about having spent good money and wasted daylight on 'em. > > Actually, MAYTAG "motors" simply convert the hydrocarbon product > they are supposedly powered by into a different hydrocarbon product > and are, in reality, an ingenious and evil way to stink up show > grounds. > > They are thought to be running when, in actuality, they are just > very efficient coasting devices. The only energy actually converted > is that which is required to keep them turning after repeatedly > stomping on that infernal "starting" pedal. After all the kicking > and cussing, their only task is to make irritating sounds and > complet the hydrocarbon conversion process. > > Others may differ. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 08:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The McVickerish Engine >> >> >> Hi Jim, Neither the exhaust nor the intake valve >> on a MAYTAG operate >> either! >> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Mar 29 04:13:44 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:13:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] FE Myers & Bros pump jack info needed Message-ID: <690448633.12696341269861224103.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All, Looking for an operators/service manual for my F.E. Myers & Bros. pumpjack (not the piston pump but the Jack for hooking up to the pump). I have already contacted Ken Christison and been told its about a 1935 model. Model No. V2950AMTS, Ser: 104851. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Curt Andree From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 06:02:46 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:02:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: test. Haven't been able to send in a couple weeks. testie Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Mar 29 06:18:13 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:18:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <69e3d.6fb9a7c5.38e20295@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:12:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flywheelin at hotmail.com writes: Haven't been able to send in a couple weeks. testie Good test! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 04:48:20 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:48:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?I_think_I_messed_me_drawers=FE?= Message-ID: I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple weeks ago but haven't been able to send to the SEL. I'm finally able to send again for some reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of you....... Came across this video and thought some of you would enjoy seeing it!! Looks like a fun time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 05:01:44 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:01:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1256?q?Help_ID_These_Items_Please_-_these_links_s?= =?windows-1256?q?hould_work=FE?= Message-ID: As I said in my other note, I haven't been able to send in a couple weeks to the SEL so am sending this now..... Thanks for the help trying to identify my parts. This was identified as a Nelson Bros carb. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-606F.JPG These coils were identified as being from a light plant. The spring looking thing under the cap is a resistor to cut down the 32v. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-610F.JPG This item could not be identified though: Is this some sort of check valve or fuel pump? I took the cap off and there are two balls, a plunger looking thing, and a spring inside. Looks like casting numbers are 62379. Could this part be off of a Model T Ford or something? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-603F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-604F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/MVC-602F.JPG Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 30 07:12:14 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:12:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hvid Manufacturer Database Message-ID: Gang: An Aussie friend is compiling a database of companies and brand names for Brons and Hvid engines and has a question. He read that Fricks and A.S. Fricks (U.S.) and Fricks (Danish) both produced Brons engines. He then got a letter saying that neither company made spray cup engines. "I am not sure about Fricks which is a Danish company but i will do more checking on this one but what can you find out about A.S.Fricks which was an American Co. and made lots of different engines and Traction engines too can you find out for me if they made or sold Hvid engines either made by them or re badged please." Can anyone shed light on this? You can see the database by going to my web page, then to The Homebrew Hvid. Any additions, corrections or comments would be greatly appreciated. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Mar 30 07:20:18 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:20:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] I think I messed me drawers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Luke: I bet those guys had to do some laundering on their underclothes after that fiasco. It pays to check the oil on them-there 2-cycle Diesels! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Luke > Tonneberger > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 06:48 AM > To: Engine List > Subject: [SEL] I think I messed me drawers? > > > > I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple > weeks ago but haven't been able to send to the > SEL. I'm finally able to send again for some > reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of > you....... > > > > Came across this video and thought some of you > would enjoy seeing it!! Looks like a fun time! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 30 06:44:19 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:44:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?I_think_I_messed_me_drawers=E2=80=8F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22740823-5D53-4CB7-812A-699326E7DF82@me.com> I know the feeling. Some of you may recall the Austral last year at Portland when the vapor spring became too week to shut off the kero. Dave On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > I sent this to the oldengine.org list a couple weeks ago but haven't > been able to send to the SEL. I'm finally able to send again for > some reason, yeah! This might be a repeat for some of you....... > > > > Came across this video and thought some of you would enjoy seeing > it!! Looks like a fun time! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM&feature=related > > Luke Tonneberger > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 30 12:33:32 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? Message-ID: When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought the first of April had come 2 days early. The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being copied assembled but still moving against each other. I do hope that is genuine though!! http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Mar 30 12:56:58 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:56:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? Message-ID: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> It is very real Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 "Dave Croft" writes: > When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought > the first of April had come 2 days early. > The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being > copied assembled but still moving against each other. > I do hope that is genuine though!! > http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df0 5a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 > > Dave Croft > Warrington. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# ____________________________________________________________ Free Credit Score A bad credit score is below 598. Click here to see yours for $0. Checking won't affect your score. By Experian® http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bb257e95e3ff178b3st02vuc From George_Best at adp.com Tue Mar 30 13:47:52 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:47:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? In-Reply-To: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100330.125734.953.13966@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F39AC2E5F@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> My brother-in-law owns one of those 3D printers. Not sure what model of printer he has, but the same manufacturer. Don't know if he's got a 3D scanner or not. I do know he used to 3D printer to make some casting patterns for me. I saw the video a year or two ago, so it isn't something new. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:57 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Has paradise come at last? It is very real Dave. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:33:32 +0100 "Dave Croft" writes: > When I saw this posted on the UK list it was so good that I thought > the first of April had come 2 days early. > The bit that looks too good to me is the multi-part items being > copied assembled but still moving against each other. > I do hope that is genuine though!! > http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df0 5a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 > > Dave Croft > Warrington. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09# ____________________________________________________________ Free Credit Score A bad credit score is below 598. Click here to see yours for $0. Checking won't affect your score. 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From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 31 11:32:00 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals Message-ID: Gang: I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From r7734g at hotmail.com Wed Mar 31 12:40:05 2010 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden You might as well deep six the Simpson manuals because all the 260 series manuals are available as PDFs on line. Go to http://www.simpson260.com/ for a complete listing from the old Series 1 from the 1930s up to the most recent version. That link has manuals, photos, specifications, history etc.. RonG > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > Gang: > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Mar 31 12:16:03 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden; I'd very much like the simpson info Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > Gang: > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 31 13:43:35 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:43:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals Message-ID: <714dc.fe5ab76.38e50df7@aol.com> My old Simpson 260 just went kput. I failed to check the batteries and they corroded with some getting on the printed circuit. I cleaned as much as possible, but the meter is doing weird things when checking stuff. So, good by to an old faithful meter I have had for a long time. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Mar 31 15:52:11 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank: I'll send 'em to you but do I have to put the grid coordinates on the address label? :-) Take care - Elden DuRand edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of frank > skinner > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 02:16 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > > > Elden; > > I'd very much like the simpson info > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:32:00 -0500 > > Subject: [SEL] Beckman & Simpson Manuals > > > > Gang: > > > > I've been cleaning out some old files and found > manuals for the following meters that I no longer own. > > > > Simpson Model 260 Series 5 and 5M Operator's Manual. > > Beckman Tech 300 and Tech 310 Digital Multimeters. > > > > If anyone wants these, they're free!! :-) > > > > Otherwise, I'll deep six 'em. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand