From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Jul  1 03:08:36 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:08:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <COL106-W245C920082451F0133C3C0B4CD0@phx.gbl>


Hi all, are any list members going to the Denton NC show ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470


 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 04:27:36 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 07:27:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <a840b.113b41ee.395dd5a8@aol.com>

I will be there on Friday arriving around 9:30.  Probably be parked up  the 
road a short walk from Starbolt, just before you start up the hill headed,  
towards the bathrooms. Dark blue Chev extended cab with 1/2 hp New Holland  
engine sitting on the tail gate.   

Hope to see you there.
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul  1 05:41:05 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:41:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W245C920082451F0133C3C0B4CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F0E7C7506F3F4758A5D610469386897A@D2JYVHJ1>

I'm here now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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skinner
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Subject: [SEL] Denton Show


Hi all, are any list members going to the Denton NC show ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470


 		 	   		  
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu Jul  1 08:05:10 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:05:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
In-Reply-To: <C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>

Here's one to get you started:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wgrenning#p/u/25/Zs56Cii3kdg
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul  1 14:29:59 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:29:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net><SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl><4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com><28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net><C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
	<4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

We were there on our EHOWT last year and that is our tourguide/director of 
all the engines/museum.  He let me and Harry actually start 2 of those 
engines.  A great memory and what a thrill!!!  Best trip ever!!!

Mike Royster

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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos


> Here's one to get you started:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wgrenning#p/u/25/Zs56Cii3kdg
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 14:55:33 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Manitoba engine
Message-ID: <9A06E9AB62C44A30BEFAE3A6D31C903F@VALUED3253602F>

Hi, a friend of mine just purchased an 8 horse Manitoba . I'm just trying to
help him find any information on it.Is it a knock-off of an American engine?
Is there a Registry that he can go to? Any information would help. Thanks,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jul  1 14:58:18 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:58:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
In-Reply-To: <002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net><SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl><4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com><28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net><C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
	<4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>
	<002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3DD7FAC6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Mike,

Thanks for the plug!  Nothing definite yet, but I am planning on doing another tour next year.  Email me if you would be interested in going on the next tour.  Not sure which collections we would visit, but am sure that we would revisit some of the same places as the last tour, plus a few from the previous tour, and of course a few new places.

George

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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos

We were there on our EHOWT last year and that is our tourguide/director of 
all the engines/museum.  He let me and Harry actually start 2 of those 
engines.  A great memory and what a thrill!!!  Best trip ever!!!

Mike Royster



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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 17:23:42 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <cdc9a.499ddb57.395e8b8e@aol.com>

Tommy can you take some photos?
Thanks 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:50:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'm here  now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be  near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to  show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul  1 18:33:39 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <cdc9a.499ddb57.395e8b8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D0DEE746F3D94C36B756AA82C6A27C80@D2JYVHJ1>

I'll try Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in free
but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have 50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
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BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:24 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show

Tommy can you take some photos?
Thanks 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:50:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'm here  now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be  near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to
show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 19:25:20 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:25:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>

Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type shows  
where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in this  
country. Sure sounds a lot like  Canandaigua NY or Mt  Pleasant IA shows. 
Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong  Coolspring ROCKS.  Have 
some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food  as good as the show?
Thanks 
KK
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The  wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train  and
other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"  show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned  by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul  1 19:44:42 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>

I just found the site on Google Earth.
Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats 
farming!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

>
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
> what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
> builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
> a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
> etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
> the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The  wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train  and
> other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"  show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned  by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
> but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000 or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy  Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 20:00:19 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:00:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
Message-ID: <COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>


Hi Reg,  Arrive early next trip and I'll take you there, It;s just about as hot as Australia in mid summer with lots of people elbow to elbow but a good show to see. Steve


 
> From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> 
> I just found the site on Google Earth.
> Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
> Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
> If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats 
> farming!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> >
> > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
> >
> > I'll try Kevin. Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> > There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
> > what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
> > builders south of the Mason Dixon line). Today I saw some nice Moguls,
> > a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
> > etc) and some other neat stuff. It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> > market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys. This is
> > the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me. The wife
> > likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
> > other attractions. Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
> > While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by a
> > gent named Brown Lauflin. I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
> > trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me. Exhibitors get in free
> > but for the general public its $14 each. They probably have 50,000 or
> > more come through during the show.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 16:56:10 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
In-Reply-To: <20100701002349.078639361@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

They run fine here, Mark.
Send yours to me.
Maybe mine will teach yours how to run.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 8:23 PM



That seems to be the case here lately.???Mark



At 05:42 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark, The TWINS fail to run no matter what coils they have (or do
>not have) in them!
>? ? ? ???Dave
>
>On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has a report on the new coils being
> > sold by Zach N out in Iowa. How are they working out????Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 County Road 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com
> >
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Mark Shulaw
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Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com? 

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 17:24:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>
Message-ID: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
They just come for the flea market.
Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or dancing areas.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:

From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM

Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type shows? 
where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in this? 
country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA shows. 
Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring ROCKS.? Have 
some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the show?
Thanks 
KK
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The? wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train? and
other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"? show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned? by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy? Turner
Magnolia, KY

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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jul  2 18:41:22 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:41:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F3B67E8A-AF54-4A44-8935-2AA51B7DEE23@me.com>

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
	Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or  
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type  
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in  
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like  Canandaigua NY or Mt  Pleasant IA  
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong  Coolspring  
> ROCKS.  Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food  as good as the  
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the  
> line of
> what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few  
> engine
> builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice  
> Moguls,
> a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan  
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
> the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The   
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train   
> and
> other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"   
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned   
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
> but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000  
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy  Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 07:32:17 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 07:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <F3B67E8A-AF54-4A44-8935-2AA51B7DEE23@me.com>
Message-ID: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yup, The point is THEY COME IN!!!!!
They pay to come in.
That gives us the funds to pour the concrete to set our nearly half million pounds of Snow engine on.
Let them have the flea market.
My display is swamped during the show.
This year I will take some stakes and rope so I can rope off the corn sheller in case of rain.
Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy with shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 9:41 PM

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
??? Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or? 
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type? 
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in? 
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA? 
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring? 
> ROCKS.? Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the? 
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the? 
> line of
> what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few? 
> engine
> builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice? 
> Moguls,
> a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan? 
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
> the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The???
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train???
> and
> other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"???
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned???
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
> but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000? 
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy? Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  3 08:19:08 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 11:19:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <b68b9.1cc33766.3960aeec@aol.com>

Steve,
 
Went to Denton on Friday and the weather was unusually great, cool 80  
degrees, no dust due to a rain on Tuesday.  Tommy Turner had his Hagan  there 
running and what a great engine to see.  What I did not understand  about it 
was the small bar magnets on the front axle.  Must have set up  some kind of 
magnetic field to help control the gas chain feed mechanism!
 
All in all an absolutely fantastic day at Denton  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 08:44:10 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <974243.89747.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OOPS, I meant to write,,,

Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy without shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 10:32 AM

Yup, The point is THEY COME IN!!!!!
They pay to come in.
That gives us the funds to pour the concrete to set our nearly half million pounds of Snow engine on.
Let them have the flea market.
My display is swamped during the show.
This year I will take some stakes and rope so I can rope off the corn sheller in case of rain.
Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy with shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 9:41 PM

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
??? Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or? 
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type? 
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in? 
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA? 
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring? 
> ROCKS.? Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the? 
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the? 
> line of
> what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few? 
> engine
> builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice? 
> Moguls,
> a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan? 
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
> the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The???
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train???
> and
> other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"???
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned???
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
> but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000? 
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy? Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 09:25:27 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <126572.9145.qm@web111724.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
That is what I am looking for.

This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.

I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.

Alan in Michigan



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Jul  3 10:29:56 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:29:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
In-Reply-To: <309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100701002349.078639361@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100703172953.92CD893D6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Alan,
  Sounds like a plan. Some times I want to ship them all off to some 
far away land.   Mark


At 07:56 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>They run fine here, Mark.
>Send yours to me.
>Maybe mine will teach yours how to run.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 8:23 PM
>
>
>
>That seems to be the case here lately.   Mark
>
>
>
>At 05:42 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
> >Hi Mark, The TWINS fail to run no matter what coils they have (or do
> >not have) in them!
> >         Dave
> >
> >On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has a report on the new coils being
> > > sold by Zach N out in Iowa. How are they working out?   Mark
> > >



Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  3 10:59:33 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
Message-ID: <27450797.1278179973119.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Get ahold of Wayne Walker Alan, he has hundreds of them in all sizes.  kcjunior at bluevalley.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
>
>Howdy Folks,
>
>Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
>This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
>The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
>That is what I am looking for.
>
>This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.
>
>I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
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Tim Christoff


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 12:29:33 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:29:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <126572.9145.qm@web111724.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1997273342.6277961278185373058.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Alan,
I have the following pulleys:

1 1/4" bore x 8" dia x 3 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 7" dia x 2 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 8" dia x 4 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 6" dia x 3 1/2" wide

Contact me off list or give me a call on my cell: 815-238-7316
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2010 11:25:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley

Howdy Folks,

Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
That is what I am looking for.

This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.

I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.

Alan in Michigan

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 15:12:19 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:12:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <1997273342.6277961278185373058.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEILCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

Today, I finished converting The Homebrew Hvid engine back
to Hvid from the spark ignition naphtha fueled version I
tried.

I found that the Hvid didn't make enough power to run The
2009 Algore Edition Green Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell and the clag
boogers from the exhaust got all over everything.  I
converted it to spark ignition but it was still a bit on the
wimpy side although it really ran sweet.

Because I now have The McVickerish Engine on the tractor,
I've made a cart ("trolley" for the Aussies and Brits out
there) and a radiator for display.  See my web page for the
story and photos.

Now, with The Homebrew Hvid, I can go to shows and really
stink up the area - just like the Maytag guys do.  Maybe I
can locate close to some Maytags and mingle my black smoke
with their white smoke and irritating sound to create a
REALLY annoying area.    :-)

Science is always working for you at Hoyt Clagwell &
Company.

Oops, didn't mean to offend the Maytag Motor guys and gals.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 15:40:09 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 15:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEILCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <113235.19496.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 6:12 PM

Gang:

Today, I finished converting The Homebrew Hvid engine back
to Hvid from the spark ignition naphtha fueled version I
tried.

I found that the Hvid didn't make enough power to run The
2009 Algore Edition Green Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell and the clag
boogers from the exhaust got all over everything.? I
converted it to spark ignition but it was still a bit on the
wimpy side although it really ran sweet.

Because I now have The McVickerish Engine on the tractor,
I've made a cart ("trolley" for the Aussies and Brits out
there) and a radiator for display.? See my web page for the
story and photos.

Now, with The Homebrew Hvid, I can go to shows and really
stink up the area - just like the Maytag guys do.? Maybe I
can locate close to some Maytags and mingle my black smoke
with their white smoke and irritating sound to create a
REALLY annoying area.? ? :-)

Science is always working for you at Hoyt Clagwell &
Company.

Oops, didn't mean to offend the Maytag Motor guys and gals.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 16:06:09 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 19:06:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <113235.19496.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHOEIMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.  You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.  Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 16:34:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHOEIMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <444924.3308.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This puter is so screwed up I can't even sign in to youtube.
I did watch your videos though.
I need to find someone local that will record a video of my engine running and put it on youtube for me.
I have seen pictures of a lot of old toys today but not one picture of an engine like mine.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:06 PM

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.? You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.? Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 16:35:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <27450797.1278179973119.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <207653.1634.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Tim,
I sent him an email.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] I need a pulley
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:59 PM

Get ahold of Wayne Walker Alan, he has hundreds of them in all sizes.? kcjunior at bluevalley.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
>
>Howdy Folks,
>
>Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
>This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
>The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
>That is what I am looking for.
>
>This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.
>
>I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul  3 23:48:18 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:48:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
	<COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>

Thanks for the offer mate but, getting away for a month is hard enough. 
Grin.
Really looking forward to supping a beer on your veranda.
Will we have time to visit the oldies? (HA! That from ME!!)]
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show


>
> Hi Reg,  Arrive early next trip and I'll take you there, It;s just about 
> as hot as Australia in mid summer with lots of people elbow to elbow but a 
> good show to see. Steve
>
>
>
>> From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
>>
>> I just found the site on Google Earth.
>> Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
>> Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
>> If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats
>> farming!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold
>> Newcastle.NSW Australia
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> >
>> > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>> >
>> > I'll try Kevin. Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
>> > There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line 
>> > of
>> > what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
>> > builders south of the Mason Dixon line). Today I saw some nice Moguls,
>> > a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
>> > etc) and some other neat stuff. It's a big show, has a lot of flea
>> > market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys. This is
>> > the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me. The wife
>> > likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
>> > other attractions. Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
>> > While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by 
>> > a
>> > gent named Brown Lauflin. I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
>> > trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me. Exhibitors get in free
>> > but for the general public its $14 each. They probably have 50,000 or
>> > more come through during the show.
>> >
>> > Tommy Turner
>> > Magnolia, KY
>> >
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul  4 06:11:19 2010
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:11:19 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...
Message-ID: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Happy 4th of July Yanks - as for the rest of us where this day is just
another and nearly gone at that... hope you enjoyed your Sunday. I did.

Paul



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  4 06:29:48 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:29:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...
In-Reply-To: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

I'm gonna take the mighty Hoyt-Clagwell 54/75 to DeFuniak
Springs (FL) today to participate in the Tea Party's part of
their 4th of July parade.

Waving "Old Glory" and all that!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
pjp08 at steamengine.com.au
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...


Happy 4th of July Yanks - as for the rest of us where this
day is just
another and nearly gone at that... hope you enjoyed your
Sunday. I did.

Paul



From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  4 07:31:00 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 07:31:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
References: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>

Those on the west coast need to come to the Gardnerville NV show on August 
20th and 21st. 5 of us are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and running. Should be quite a sight.

Dave E in Nevada 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 07:47:02 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:47:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
Message-ID: <1a0f8.1a66739a.3961f8e6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2010 10:40:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

5 of us  are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and  running. 


That would be a great site to see!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  4 13:45:52 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 13:45:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <20100704.134630.962.284813@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>









Great photos of the Mesta Machine Company circa 1910-1920.  They made
some huge engines and steel mill rolling equipment.



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  5 04:50:28 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:50:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] many thanks
In-Reply-To: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.
	com.au>
References: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Hi to all, Just settling back into work again after a couple of weeks 
in the USA and 1 week in Qld (Aust) Just wanted to say a very big 
thanks to all our American friends who spent the time to make Dad's 
and my trip one to remember. Coolspring show was something else. I 
recomemnd it to anyone who has the opportunity to make it. Had fun 
driving on the WRONG side of the road again. Didn't upset anyone 
either. It's a long way to go and the stop start of the airports is 
no fun but when it's all said and done; worth every cent. Looking 
forward to being part of this great group of guys for many years to come.

thanks again FRIENDS'
regards Russell Gilbert

btw: shit it's cold back here at home.




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 05:32:05 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:32:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2010 4:51:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Great  photos of the Mesta Machine Company circa 1910-1920
 
Nice old historic photographs.  No nc/cnc machines back then.   Just highly 
skilled machinists who knew their trade, how to use manual machines  and 
manual inspection equipment to turn out a precision product.  Skills  long 
gone by the wayside
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 05:39:21 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:39:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] many thanks
In-Reply-To: <20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
	<20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BB01C031-E00D-41D3-AD5A-BF31EB4B98AC@me.com>

It was fun having you and your dad here Russ. I don't care what anyone  
says about their love of old iron, it's meeting and getting to know  
those who profess such a love that is at the heart of this hobby!
	Dave
PS, Only got up to 88 here yesterday. Will get to 92 today and then  
they say it will start to warm up!

On Jul 5, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hi to all, Just settling back into work again after a couple of weeks
> in the USA and 1 week in Qld (Aust) Just wanted to say a very big
> thanks to all our American friends who spent the time to make Dad's
> and my trip one to remember. Coolspring show was something else. I
> recomemnd it to anyone who has the opportunity to make it. Had fun
> driving on the WRONG side of the road again. Didn't upset anyone
> either. It's a long way to go and the stop start of the airports is
> no fun but when it's all said and done; worth every cent. Looking
> forward to being part of this great group of guys for many years to  
> come.
>
> thanks again FRIENDS'
> regards Russell Gilbert
>
> btw: shit it's cold back here at home.
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 06:35:42 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 09:35:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
Message-ID: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg) 
 
 
Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.  
Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 Grain  Style 
872 oval.
 
I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.  
But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it 
was used for.  Anybody have any information?  

Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Jul  5 07:03:48 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:03:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C31E644.3060102@coastalnet.com>

Found in google books:

"A ring traveler is a small metal ring or loop used to guide the yarn or 
thread in winding it upon the spindle.

Ring travelers are used in all ring spinning, which is done on ring 
frames. A ring frame is a spinning machine with vertical spindles, now 
extensively used, in which the winding of each thread is governed by 
passing through the eye or circle of a small steel loop, called a ring 
traveler, one of which revolves around each spindle in an annular way 
called the ring. These rings are supported by a horizontal bar, which 
moves up and down in such a manner as to give a shape to the cap on the 
spindle, that adapts it for use in a shuttle. The ring frame is also 
called ring-throstle, ring-throstle-frame, ring- and travelerspinner and 
ring spinner.

A ring traveler is made out of one piece of solid steel. It may be 
divided into three component parts, for purposes of reference to 
varieties in shape and size."

Ken





Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg) 
>  
>  
> Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.  
> Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 Grain  Style 
> 872 oval.
>  
> I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.  
> But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it 
> was used for.  Anybody have any information?  
>
> Thanks,
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 07:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>



Looks like some type of curtain hook. I remember some of those older 
curtain holder mechanisms that had pull ropes that opened and closed 
the curtains like theater curtains but meant for a house had hooks 
that looked like that. Those open and close mechanisms which the 
curtains hung on might have been the traveler.  I am pretty sure 
thats what they were called.   Mark


At 09:35 AM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg)
>
>
>Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.
>Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 
>Grain  Style
>872 oval.
>
>I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.
>But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it
>was used for.  Anybody have any information?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 07:43:56 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:43:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
	<20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <7DC87F87-55D3-4827-A661-58F33149CF0B@me.com>

Hell, I've not seen anything like that since my S&M days!
	Dave

On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Looks like some type of curtain hook. I remember some of those older
> curtain holder mechanisms that had pull ropes that opened and closed
> the curtains like theater curtains but meant for a house had hooks
> that looked like that. Those open and close mechanisms which the
> curtains hung on might have been the traveler.  I am pretty sure
> thats what they were called.   Mark
>
>
> At 09:35 AM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_
>> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg)
>>
>>
>> Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.
>> Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2
>> Grain  Style
>> 872 oval.
>>
>> I can find information on the company, and ring traveler   
>> manufactures.
>> But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used,  
>> or what it
>> was used for.  Anybody have any information?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 10:39:07 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <444924.3308.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <675279.25158.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Elden and Folks.
Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy Electric Engine.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/

I sure hope the link works for ya.

Alan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:34 PM

This puter is so screwed up I can't even sign in to youtube.
I did watch your videos though.
I need to find someone local that will record a video of my engine running and put it on youtube for me.
I have seen pictures of a lot of old toys today but not one picture of an engine like mine.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:06 PM

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.? You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.? Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul  5 11:06:43 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:06:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100705195410.0212dcd8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Thanks to a collector in Germany I've added a "Dating" list for 
Deutz engines to my manual download page.

         It goes from 1864 (establishment of N.A.Otto & Co. as the first 
engine factory in the world) to 1947 and is in German but quite easy to 
understand.

         For those who may be interested it is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>

         It's a .pdf file but very small (22 Kbytes).


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 11:08:19 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:08:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
Message-ID: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>



Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was 
its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the 
tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not 
know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in 
Rathbones book . Any ideas?
Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206






From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  5 12:53:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <675279.25158.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHMEJJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Neat stuff!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden and Folks.
Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my
1908 Toy Electric Engine.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/

I sure hope the link works for ya.

Alan



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  5 13:03:38 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 16:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
In-Reply-To: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>
References: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2d99024bb8cb31bd0a4780ce73f952f7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

My dad (a machinist) used to say that was the difference between a machinist and a
machine operator.  You could give the machinist a part to make and the oldest, most
worn out machine in the shop, and he'd turn out the part that was needed.  I fear
those skills are being lost in today's computer-operated world.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, July 5, 2010 8:32 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> Nice old historic photographs.  No nc/cnc machines back then.   Just highly
> skilled machinists who knew their trade, how to use manual machines  and
> manual inspection equipment to turn out a precision product.  Skills  long
> gone by the wayside





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 14:17:29 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:17:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>

Arnie,
 
My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff 
manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and  Wilcox 
(nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot 
of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new  
fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a  lot 
for the old ones long gone.
 
94 here and going to be hotter as the week goes on.    
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 15:16:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>

Hi Mark,
	To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to  
put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of  
said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
	Dave

On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
> its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
> know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> Mark
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
> USA
> 419.358.5206


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Jul  5 16:33:27 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:33:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W62D30EEF76B4C9481024ABB4B10@phx.gbl>


The "Funnel" was used on the Titanic also, didnt help tho 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:16:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Funnel
> 
> Hi Mark,
> To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to 
> put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of 
> said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered 7926 T What was
> > its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> > tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books. But I do not
> > know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> > Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Mark & Christine Shulaw
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
> > USA
> > 419.358.5206
> _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  5 17:04:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 20:04:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
In-Reply-To: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
References: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a65cc58bfe3b9c633ad7012b709f1e8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Every machinist I know is a life-long-learner.  I vividly remember times when my dad
would come home from work eager to talk about some tip he picked up from another
machinist or some clever setup he figured out for a project.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, July 5, 2010 5:17 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff
> manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and  Wilcox
> (nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot
> of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new
> fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a  lot
> for the old ones long gone.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  5 17:06:42 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:06:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
References: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
	<a65cc58bfe3b9c633ad7012b709f1e8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43524B2B23E5407595C1AB1983B98D54@regpc>

I know I am still learning at my advanced age!
Aint only machining either!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images


> Tom,
>
> Every machinist I know is a life-long-learner.  I vividly remember times 
> when my dad
> would come home from work eager to talk about some tip he picked up from 
> another
> machinist or some clever setup he figured out for a project.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, July 5, 2010 5:17 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff
>> manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and 
>> Wilcox
>> (nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot
>> of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new
>> fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a 
>> lot
>> for the old ones long gone.
>
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 19:15:46 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:15:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A couple of toys out of storage
Message-ID: <C858CEF2.5144%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

On a trip to the country on the weekend to pick up some stuff for the baby,
I also brought a couple of my engines out of storage. The Buzacott 4K has
not been out for about 6 years and the Monitor has been away for nearly 10.
The Buzacott needs the magneto replacing with the correct ML and the Monitor
just needs a general going over (I have taken the Dixie off for safety while
transporting the engine).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 19:42:14 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:42:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
Message-ID: <20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>



Good one Dave, Yah got me, GRINN,  I have been informed that its for 
a 8-16 IHC tractor.      Mark



At 06:16 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>         To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to
>put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of
>said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
>         Dave
>
>On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
> > its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> > tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
> > know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> > Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> > Mark
> >
> >


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 21:47:28 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 04:47:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
Message-ID: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>



I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys Engine ads.  I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads.  Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers.  I have tried resizing the pictures and it did not help.  I tried multiple times and I can get only one picture per ad.  Thanks in advance.

 

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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jul  5 21:59:38 2010
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:59:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
References: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>

I believe you need to be a paying member to post more than one picture. I'm 
sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I have been a member to long to 
remember what it was like before I joined

Roger DiRuscio RDC-PRO, REO-PRO, GRI.
REO Specialist. Equator Certified REO, Short sale.
R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate
Fremont, Ca 94539    DRE #615513
510-676-3122 cell
510-226-2414 ofc message line
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "slick willy list" 
<slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help


>
>
> I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys 
> Engine ads.  I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads. 
> Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers.  I have tried 
> resizing the pictures and it did not help.  I tried multiple times and I 
> can get only one picture per ad.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Ed Herreid
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Jul  6 03:39:44 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 06:39:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
	<20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <C7DA3A1D-164A-4219-9BFD-4B433FC00685@me.com>

Just trying to be of some help Mark!
	Dave
PS, Looking forward to Findlay! See you then!

On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Good one Dave, Yah got me, GRINN,  I have been informed that its for
> a 8-16 IHC tractor.      Mark
>
>
>
> At 06:16 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was  
>> used to
>> put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of
>> said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
>>        Dave
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
>>> its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of  
>>> the
>>> tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
>>> know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
>>> Rathbones book . Any ideas?
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 08:49:20 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:49:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
In-Reply-To: <93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>
References: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>,
	<93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <COL115-W43C0EAD38703B649C31FA4B4B20@phx.gbl>


Thanks for the answer. I did not catch that in the instructions.  This is the first time trying to sell there.  

 

Ed

 
> From: solarrog at pacbell.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:59:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ads help
> 
> I believe you need to be a paying member to post more than one picture. I'm 
> sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I have been a member to long to 
> remember what it was like before I joined
> 
> Roger DiRuscio RDC-PRO, REO-PRO, GRI.
> REO Specialist. Equator Certified REO, Short sale.
> R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate
> Fremont, Ca 94539 DRE #615513
> 510-676-3122 cell
> 510-226-2414 ofc message line
> Ham radio KG6QKZ
> Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood"
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Herreid" <bigtime64 at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "slick willy list" 
> <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:47 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys 
> > Engine ads. I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads. 
> > Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers. I have tried 
> > resizing the pictures and it did not help. I tried multiple times and I 
> > can get only one picture per ad. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Herreid
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
> > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul  6 09:35:06 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:35:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
In-Reply-To: <4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3DEB61C5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Dave, 

Wish you guys weren't so far away and also the same weekend as a closer show.  Would like to see the show at the new location, but I skipped the Tillamook show the last couple of years and need to go there this year.

Also it seems that I have a problem of not having enough vacation days each year.  Can't quite afford to retire and still be able to do all the stuff I'd like to do.

Hope to see you at one of the shows or swap meets this year.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:31 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals

Those on the west coast need to come to the Gardnerville NV show on August 
20th and 21st. 5 of us are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and running. Should be quite a sight.

Dave E in Nevada 

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul  6 10:38:26 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:38:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1278432003.26480.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100706193338.024ecea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 06/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
><snip>
>Hi Elden and Folks.
>Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy 
>Electric Engine.
>http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/
>
>I sure hope the link works for ya.
>
>Alan

Hi Alan,
         Isn't that a solenoid engine? I know nothing about them but seem 
to remember Reg writing about one he built quite some time ago.




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 14:36:31 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100706193338.024ecea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <780073.10269.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The word solenoid does not appear in the ad.
Those are magnets according to the ad.? 8>))
The company that sold it in 1908 called it an Electric Engine so that is what it is as far as I am concerned.? 8>)))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:38 PM

At 06:00 PM 06/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
><snip>
>Hi Elden and Folks.
>Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy 
>Electric Engine.
>http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/
>
>I sure hope the link works for ya.
>
>Alan

Hi Alan,
? ? ? ???Isn't that a solenoid engine? I know nothing about them but seem 
to remember Reg writing about one he built quite some time ago.




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>? 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul  7 07:38:05 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:38:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a Valspar 
clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.

  I believe it may have been for a marine application.

  Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product

RickinMt. 



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 09:01:15 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:01:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilYTFxVfEroVQqVo-0WB5eTAWQboUTQS1pRngwg@mail.gmail.com>

I have used valspar as well as other spar varnishes. If your paint store
doesn't carry it, try a marine supply or boat store. They still make it, but
I'm not sure if it still has they old, tough, long lasting formula.

Paul in California - near the water

PS: The Smith Company in Richmond California has some epoxy coatings that
are tough as nails. They discontinued a deck coating that costs - for a two
gallon set - about $700.00. They didn't sell much.


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 12:55:43 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:55:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>, ,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>,
	<COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>,
	<457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>
Message-ID: <COL112-W18BFBE9280FC150A20983E95B30@phx.gbl>


The oldies are looking forward to a visit from you!    and the youngies!   Steve
 .
> Will we have time to visit the oldies? (HA! That from ME!!)]
> 
 		 	   		  
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul  7 14:04:54 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:04:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <cff42e4e58f51abf9a38a68b602678b0.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> G'day all;
>   Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a
> Valspar
> clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.
>
>   I believe it may have been for a marine application.
>
>   Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product

Rick,
Add some light??? Now you want it to glow in the dark?
Curt Holland
P.S. Sorry I couldn't resist that! :-)






From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul  7 14:44:29 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:44:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDC466B8-E726-4B60-8E42-CBA169E95CC8@me.com>

Try
  http://www.google.com/products?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Valspar+clear+matte+finish&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=m_Q0TKbCCsGC8gblnIi_Aw&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CD0QrQQwCg 
     and
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Valspar+clear+matte+finish&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Ain't Google WONDERFUL!
	Dave

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:

> G'day all;
>  Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a  
> Valspar
> clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.
>
>  I believe it may have been for a marine application.
>
>  Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product
>
> RickinMt.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jul  7 15:26:17 2010
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:26:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] trying to contact Bill Dickerson
Message-ID: <E16EF55661CD40028E0B61B235E81EB3@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

I've been trying to contact Bill for a while now , but can't get any responce from either e-mail addresses, anyone got any ideas? is he ill or on vacation?


Thanks, Craig Morrison

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 19:18:03 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:18:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage. I had forgotten what a
soft spot I have for this engine which I have owned for about 25 years.
It came from a farm (which is no longer there) called 'Friendly Ridge'. We
were there picking up a couple of 100E Prefects that  my father had bought
as spares for our Prefect.
While the loading was taking place I spotted the top of a pair of flywheels
sitting in the middle of a paddock in the grass. I wandered over and found
the Buzacott sitting there. A deal was struck ($50 from memory) and we
loaded the engine and its shearing plant onto the trailer. I found the
original Lewis oiler and the crank handle inside the hopper. The engine was
in excellent condition given it had sat in the weather for many, many years.
The ML magneto was beyond repair so a Wico A was fitted. It has been rallied
for many years but at its last outing the Wico gave up the ghost. I now have
an original ML to go on the engine which means I can refit the gear guard
which would not fit with the Wico.
There is a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper where my
father & I have placed our hands cranking the engine.
The old girl deserves a little TLC to get it out rallying again.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul  8 05:00:07 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:00:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEKMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Nice story.  Thanks for passing it along.

Reminds me of the story of my Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All
Trades.  I just figured it up and am shocked to realize that
I've had it for over 50 years!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul  8 07:19:51 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:19:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <5a3c1.5ce06a05.39673887@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I've had  it for over 50 years!


Were you 3 when you got it?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul  8 08:05:04 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:05:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B87CB4E9-3E70-410E-AAF5-426B35B1EBB9@me.com>

GOODS on ya Patrick!
	Dave

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage.
> There is a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper  
> where my
> father & I have placed our hands cranking the engine.
> The old girl deserves a little TLC to get it out rallying again.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG
>
> Patrick M Livingstone


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Thu Jul  8 17:04:03 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:04:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76374A0A77742E98CDC1124EBCDA01F@JBCooper>

Hi Patrick,
Reminds me of my first engine which I have had for 50 years, It is an OFG
Bagshaw 6 hp which is apparently the oldest one on record in Australia. I
also have a buzacott 4 hp similar to yours but with a Wico trip magneto.
Regards,
John Cooper,
Bega NSW.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage. I had forgotten what a
soft spot I have for this engine which I have owned for about 25 years. It
came from a farm (which is no longer there) called 'Friendly Ridge'. We were
there picking up a couple of 100E Prefects that  my father had bought as
spares for our Prefect. While the loading was taking place I spotted the top
of a pair of flywheels sitting in the middle of a paddock in the grass. I
wandered over and found the Buzacott sitting there. A deal was struck ($50
from memory) and we loaded the engine and its shearing plant onto the
trailer. I found the original Lewis oiler and the crank handle inside the
hopper. The engine was in excellent condition given it had sat in the
weather for many, many years. The ML magneto was beyond repair so a Wico A
was fitted. It has been rallied for many years but at its last outing the
Wico gave up the ghost. I now have an original ML to go on the engine which
means I can refit the gear guard which would not fit with the Wico. There is
a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper where my father & I
have placed our hands cranking the engine. The old girl deserves a little
TLC to get it out rallying again.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  8 18:17:58 2010
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:17:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
Message-ID: <567850.1278638278883.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Jerry I have a 1960 Kramer 140 kls tractor and I need a oper. manual for it think you mite have one ???


-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>Sent: Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
>
>Hi All,
>         Thanks to a collector in Germany I've added a "Dating" list for 
>Deutz engines to my manual download page.
>
>         It goes from 1864 (establishment of N.A.Otto & Co. as the first 
>engine factory in the world) to 1947 and is in German but quite easy to 
>understand.
>
>         For those who may be interested it is here:
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>
>
>         It's a .pdf file but very small (22 Kbytes).
>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


-----------------
Gus
Whittier, CA



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul  8 20:16:37 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 23:16:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <5a3c1.5ce06a05.39673887@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEAECAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tom:

No, I was about 16.  That makes me 68 and an old Geezer!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:20 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I've had  it for over 50 years!


Were you 3 when you got it?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 04:53:56 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:53:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <bbb31.e8caab6.396867d4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 11:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

That  makes me 68 and an old Geezer!


Is 66 considered an old Geezer too?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul  9 05:23:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:23:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <bbb31.e8caab6.396867d4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEAJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Yeah, 'ya Old Geezer!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:54 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 11:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

That  makes me 68 and an old Geezer!


Is 66 considered an old Geezer too?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 06:01:23 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:01:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <6fd56.243ee0d2.396877a3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/9/2010 8:32:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Yeah,  'ya Old Geezer!


I had kind of figured that for a long time now!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul  9 09:57:51 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:57:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1278691202.4725.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100709185455.02654e98@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:17:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>From: Gus <gibsongus at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New "Manual" added
>
>
>Jerry I have a 1960 Kramer 140 kls tractor and I need a oper. manual for 
>it think you mite have one ???


Sorry Gus,
         No such manual in my possession. Maybe other members can help ?


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 01:26:26 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:26:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>

We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
electrical power and charging its own battery set.

We had the control cabinet up and wired in this week, and apart from a
tweak to the output voltage and the addition of a 2-rate charge
arrangement, it is all finished.

The next job will be to make a 3-axle drawbar trailer, rear section to
carry the engine and front section will be a small motor-home type
section with beds, cooking and shower/toilet. That is at the very
early stages, but we already have most of the running gear on the
floor in the workshop. Body length 7metres or about 23feet if we go to
the maximum allowed size, excluding the drawbar and coupling.

We had a run yesterday with the revised cooling tank and the engine
running 1.5kW load:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics217.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics219.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics215.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics213.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics212.jpg

New fuel filter:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics199.jpg

Recalibrating one of the meters from 50A down to 30A by making a new shunt:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics197.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics198.jpg
(The old shunt is the one on the left-hand side)

New meter set and a duplicate set of the old type, main differences
are the scale lettering, and the 0-25V meter was changed to 0-30V, the
0-50A ammeter was changed to 0-30A:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics196.JPG

Checking the recalibrated 0-30V meter against a known standard:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics191.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics192.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics193.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics194.JPG

New anti-splash top for the cooling tank:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics188.jpg

Running on load for the first time with no control cabinet, load is a
1.5kW radiant heater.
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics184.jpg

The whole saga is on the UK Stationary Engine Forum:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229

You will need to register to see the images, and there are over 250 of
them in total.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul 11 04:04:30 2010
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:04:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Willie with dating an air cooled Austral?
Message-ID: <1425.218.214.134.238.1278846270.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>



---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Austral engine
From:    "Willie Young" <williewa at bigpond.net.au>
Date:    Sun, July 11, 2010 5:06 pm
To:      "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Paul
Years ago you were able to help me with some info in a Roseberry engine
One of the committee members at the Whiteman Park tractor museum has an
Austral air cooled 2.4 HP petrol engine made by Ronaldson and Tippett.
It is mounted on a bag elevator made by Horwood Bagshaw

The engine plate reads:
Austral Petrol Engine
Manufactired by Ronaldson and Tippett
2.4HP    Ser#  65262  Type N/A
1500RPM
Jim Creagh who lives in Gidgegannup would like to find out about it`s age etc
Can you help?

>From memory I think you told me That you lived in the Eastern Hills
somewhere
Willie Young

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 04:14:12 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:14:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Willie with dating an air cooled Austral?
In-Reply-To: <1425.218.214.134.238.1278846270.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <C85FE4A4.51F3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


My lists make No.65262 as being made in 1952.

On 11/7/10 9:04 PM, "pjp08 at steamengine.com.au" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
wrote:

> 
> 
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Austral engine
> From:    "Willie Young" <williewa at bigpond.net.au>
> Date:    Sun, July 11, 2010 5:06 pm
> To:      "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi Paul
> Years ago you were able to help me with some info in a Roseberry engine
> One of the committee members at the Whiteman Park tractor museum has an
> Austral air cooled 2.4 HP petrol engine made by Ronaldson and Tippett.
> It is mounted on a bag elevator made by Horwood Bagshaw
> 
> The engine plate reads:
> Austral Petrol Engine
> Manufactired by Ronaldson and Tippett
> 2.4HP    Ser#  65262  Type N/A
> 1500RPM
> Jim Creagh who lives in Gidgegannup would like to find out about it`s age etc
> Can you help?
> 
>> From memory I think you told me That you lived in the Eastern Hills
> somewhere
> Willie Young
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 12 07:24:44 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1364713115.542051278944684893.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>

Peter:

I see that you are a bit njerdy like me.  I love fiddling with meter movements, changing the scale, etc.  I think you'll be able to keep close track of how the genset is running.  I especially like the exhaust temperature gauge.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:26:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jul 12 07:27:20 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:27:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the embossed cylinder, but didn't want to tell anyone until I was able to actually have the engine in my possession.  I've seen too many engine deals fall apart at the last minute, buy the seller changing his mind or someone else offering more and seller going for the higher price.

My friend went along just to see if he could buy an engine too and we really didn't know what other engines were available to buy.

Having never been to the seller's place before I really didn't know which house on the street was his so we were basically driving down a street looking for a likely house with some clue that an engine collection resided there.  No problem.... drove past a house with the garage door open and big flywheel engine running!!  Got to be the right place!!

To keep this from being a long story, I'll just say we got my engine loaded up and my friend got a real nice 6hp Samson.  I would have loved to have gotten the Samson too, but after buying the Stover my wife would have divorced me if I had bought it too.  Plus there was the problem I didn't have enough to buy two nice engines at a time.

After loading the trailer in 100+ weather we headed back home.  We got a motel room just before 10pm and had gone 1000 miles, saw a nice collection of engines, and had two nice ones on the trailer!

Sunday morning we got up and only had another 500 miles to drive to get to my friends place to unload his Samson.  When we got to his place we hooked up a propane tank and fired up his new engine.  Runs real nice and slows down pretty good.  Only problem with the engine is a little wristpin noise, other than that it was in great shape.

When I got mine off the trailer at home I put some gas in the tank, primed it, and took right off!  Runs great although this one does look like it could use some new rings at the minimum as it slobbers gas/oil out the back of the clylinder.  Hopefully it isn't so bad it will need to be resleeved.

However, it does run good. Put some water in the cooling tank and the water pump works great.  It has a Wizard dynamo and I switched it over to the dynamo and it keeps running!  So I'm quite happy with my new engine.

I took some pictures last night but haven't had time to resize them and load them so they can be viewed.  I'll try to have them available tonight.

George




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From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 12 08:39:21 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:39:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 12, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am  
> and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal  
> deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the  
> embossed cylinder,

Aside from the Oregonian Pirate fleet swooping down from the north and  
pillaging our precious historical artifacts, that's a pretty good trip  
report, George.

Rob







From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jul 12 09:02:35 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0F03FA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Rob,

You've got us on the Samson.  A California engine that hadn't been out of the state until it crossed the border into Oregon on Sunday morning. ;-)

However, rumor has it that the Stover was in Oregon when a California collector got the engine and took it south, so I'm returning it to a state where it was previously.

Haven't had a chance to talk to the CA collector that originally took the engine to CA to see if he has any history on the engine.  I do have to admit that the Stover shipping records show that it originally was shipped to Nova Scotia so I do wonder how it got all the way to the west coast.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Quick engine trip


On Jul 12, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am  
> and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal  
> deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the  
> embossed cylinder,

Aside from the Oregonian Pirate fleet swooping down from the north and  
pillaging our precious historical artifacts, that's a pretty good trip  
report, George.

Rob





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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 15:04:49 2010
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:04:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
Message-ID: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Guys, 

    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .

Thanks, Craig

From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 12 15:35:16 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:35:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, craig morrison wrote:

> Guys,
>
>    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell  
> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses  
> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>
> Thanks, Craig



I think this is his info:

William A Dickerson
9687 SE 48th Ave
Runnells, IA 50237
(515) 966-2190

bill at antique-engines.com 


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 12 15:52:33 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:52:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20100712225228.9D32D930A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Try him at his wifes quilting page I know he used to help her a lot 
with it and probably still does.   http://dickerson-design.com




At 06:04 PM 7/12/2010, you wrote:
>Guys,
>
>     I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell 
> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses 
> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>
>Thanks, Craig


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 05:12:16 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:12:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] need a possible ride / engine transportation
Message-ID: <SNT118-W205174829772EE524CB068C8B90@phx.gbl>


Does anyone live near Pottsville, PA or drive by there on their way to Portland, In in August?  Pottsville is between Allentown and Harrisbug.  The engine is a 1.5 hp IH M on a cart.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 		 	   		  
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 05:21:52 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:21:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <189f7.55bb9387.394ba2b6@aol.com>
References: <189f7.55bb9387.394ba2b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W1430A2E6462D6B8E3D4944C8B90@phx.gbl>


Hi Tom,
 
I'm going through some old email and didn't see a reply to your question. Yes, I think you are correct, that is where the gas is injected.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port08/MVC-502F.html


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


----------------------------------------
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:09:26 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 Show Pictures
>
> Luke,
>
> Some great photos of nice engines.
>
> Photo 502, Springfield, what is happening with the brass tube going into
> the vertical red pipe? Is that where gas is injected?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:37:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:37:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_URGENT_help_wanted_please_in_USA?=
Message-ID: <B246CE98538A4FFEA132128E259FF910@loungeroom>

Hi all
I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you nominate how much.

If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
I will go with the person who comes back to me.


Thanks guys

Peter, Australia

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:42:52 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:42:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ebay listing
Message-ID: <DB607CF5C7774FC68C2C9300186127A1@loungeroom>

Does anyone know this seller on Ebay "powellandhyde" 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230493781573

I want to get the serial number from this R&V engine, looking at their other itmes for sale, they have cornered the market in Maytags.

Peter, Oz

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:46:01 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] help wanted pleasefrom USA members
Message-ID: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>

I am sending this again to the ATIS List, I think it did not like to URGENT 
in the subject line and marked it as SPAM. It might not have reached 
everyone with Spam filters on.


 Hi all
 I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee 
for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

 I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their 
bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
 I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you 
nominate how much.

 If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will 
send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
 I will go with the person who comes back to me.


 Thanks guys

 Peter, Australia



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 13 11:59:49 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:59:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] help wanted pleasefrom USA members
In-Reply-To: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>
References: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <99825d4ed7362ba6c8ea0a1f460ea33d.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have paypal connected directly to my AMC FORUM checking account. It's
how we take donations, then pay the expenses............

Bill
(FINALLY back at a computer..........)


> I am sending this again to the ATIS List, I think it did not like to
> URGENT
> in the subject line and marked it as SPAM. It might not have reached
> everyone with Spam filters on.
>
>
>  Hi all
>  I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee
> for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP
>
>  I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their
> bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
>  I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you
> nominate how much.
>
>  If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will
> send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
>  I will go with the person who comes back to me.
>
>
>  Thanks guys
>
>  Peter, Australia
>
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> SEL mailing list
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 13 12:14:29 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:14:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <e869c28175425115f8a85ec9f119b159.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>


Yup - I've come up for a breath of air finally........ buried with projects.

I spoke directly with Curt Andree and we'll see how things progress if the
seller finally believes it's ok for me to get the engine.

Right now, my son has my truck. Long story, but he needed a second car
badly and so we bought him one, and on the way home, the engine blew.
So now, i've got a shop filled with cars with engines and complete
drive-trains out in various states. His is an emergency need...... (and
neither of us has the money, but I'm fixing it and he can pay me when he
can)
So he's got my truck until his car is fixed, but I could probably get my
truck back on Sundays when he doesn't have to work.

I dropped the WHOLE drivetrain out of my car in half a day - it took two
of us a full day to get just the engine out of his. I like bottom-out
better.

Luke's car:
http://theamcpages.com/images/luke-sx4/sx43.jpg

My car:
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-cleaning-5.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-engineout-14.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-jeep-engine-90.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/eagle-jeep-rockers-002.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-engineout-4.jpg

Bill



>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, craig morrison wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell
>> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses
>> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
>
>
>
> I think this is his info:
>
> William A Dickerson
> 9687 SE 48th Ave
> Runnells, IA 50237
> (515) 966-2190
>
> bill at antique-engines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 14:10:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:10:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] help wanted please from USA members thanks
Message-ID: <504338D628454DDC92AF279A803882E0@peterlowe>

Hi all
Arnie is my contact to transfer money, thanks to all those who have offered, you are a great bunch.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 15:30:29 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> URGENT help wanted please in USA
In-Reply-To: <B246CE98538A4FFEA132128E259FF910@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <964897.13062.qm@web111713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Where in Michigan?

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Spam> URGENT help wanted please in USA
To: "oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:37 AM

Hi all
I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you nominate how much.

If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
I will go with the person who comes back to me.


Thanks guys

Peter, Australia
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 14 00:04:53 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:04:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
Message-ID: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>

Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say, "In 4 weeks, you will be 'over there'"
Which hit home to me.
I went looking through back pics of trips, (along with  pics from Dolly, taken when her offspring were a LOT smaller than they are now!)
It was a lot of years ago, I made my first 'Engine Trip' to the USA and Portland was the 'Special place' where I met up with some of the best folk on this planet.
I also accept the fact that at 74, this may well be MY last foray to the USA. (Dont sigh with relief just yet! Ya never know!!)
So, thinking  back on the great times I had with you all, (Sadly, the 'end of the perch' has removed a lot of our original members),
I think we should aim to make this year's event, a 'Catch up with old mates' event. (I am aware that the internet allows us to keep in contact but, it aint the same as a personal hug and handshake.)
Ok, each and every one of you has some thinking and planning to do.
I, ME, will be there and will be looking out for old mates! I sure want to see as many as I can. The friendships formed has made my life so much better in all respects.
See ya mates.
Reg
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 14 03:15:26 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:15:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
Message-ID: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>

Hi all 
Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping boucing back un-deliverable??

I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??


Hi Arnie

I just sent $140 green Yankee dollars to your PayPal account
fero_ah at city-net.com

Can you please send a cheque for $130 payable to Midwest Old Threshers to:

Barry Tuller
6544 Stevensville Baroda Road
Stevensville, MI  49127

Place a note telling Barry the money is for me and my son's R&V Expo fees at
Mount Pleasant.
Your a pal mate, my beer shout at Portland


Peter, Oz

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 14 08:34:22 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:34:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping  
> boucing back un-deliverable??
>
> I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??


Let's get this straight, Pete.  You wired a lot of money into a  
foreign bank account, and now the recipient has disappeared.  Please  
tell me you're not surprised.





From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 14 08:35:24 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:35:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <C107B70956F24F218013B305718FCEF2@regpc>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<C107B70956F24F218013B305718FCEF2@regpc>
Message-ID: <23E37022-5065-4F9F-8F49-982FD19A147B@rustyiron.com>

		
On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:
> Its been doing it for a long time on my sendings. Server offers no  
> clues!


And how much money did he get YOU for, mate?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 14 09:42:28 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:42:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4c82806a6d1c26b50d3aef2ccd58c529.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

heh-heh-heh...  (evil laugh)

On Wed, July 14, 2010 11:34 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping
>> boucing back un-deliverable??
>>
>
> Let's get this straight, Pete.  You wired a lot of money into a
> foreign bank account, and now the recipient has disappeared.  Please
> tell me you're not surprised.
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 14 10:06:15 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:06:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
Message-ID: <eec37d383b698ec37a56e491c902d54b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bloody difficult Ozzies!

I keep telling you 'roo eaters that your emails hit my server upside-down, it
doesn't know what to do, so it bounces.

You NEED to turn YOUR computer upside-down BEFORE you hit send.  That'll fix it.
Kerry & Russell have figgered that out.  You can too.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, July 14, 2010 6:29 am, Reg Ingold wrote:
> Its been doing it for a long time on my sendings. Server offers no clues!
> Arnie needs to find a new, better, etc.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Peter Lowe
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:15 PM
>
>   Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping boucing back
>   un-deliverable??
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 14:10:55 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:10:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
In-Reply-To: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
References: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil1pvZMtvqhp66FeMk8jMn8A5QM1GOz20uTJDti@mail.gmail.com>

On 14 July 2010 08:04, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say, "In 4
> weeks, you will be 'over there'"
> Which hit home to me.

Hmmm, a little bit longer and so will we! :-))

Looking forward to seeing some friends again, missed last year's trip
a lot, just isn't the same without the trip!

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 16 09:40:28 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:40:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] test - No need to reply
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100716183516.00d83738@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Just testing,
	Our server installed new Spam filtering software yesterday and since then 
I've had no list mail. This is just a test to see if these come back to me.

	It could just be that the lists are very quiet but there are usually at 
least a few posts from Slick each day !!

	No need to reply unless you are also totally bored and missing list mail :-)

Keep well,
Jerry



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 16:54:55 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:54:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
Message-ID: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 16 17:07:58 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:07:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For 
the babies sake :-)


At 09:54 AM 17/07/2010, you wrote:
>Things are quiet here at the moment :(
>To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
>4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
>which engine should I take?
>I have narrowed it down to three choices;
>The 12hp R&V:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg
>
>The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg
>
>Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG
>
>I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
>year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
>will probably be my last rally before the baby.
>Thoughts?
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 16 19:57:41 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:57:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <F9D7F64C-02C6-464C-9453-E6C0A942E965@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For
> the babies sake :-)

Sounds to me like Patrick needs to buy a bigger trailer... for  
nappies, babas and binkies.

Rob





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 16 20:46:35 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:46:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>

I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville

Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project
(the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and
Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 16 22:50:20 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:50:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <13722757-F9C4-4656-A19E-5847CADB4BCA@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


Hey, Tommy.  Just finished watching a tv show featuring your homeboy,  
Booker Noe.







From peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 01:59:28 2010
From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:59:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8CCF3A57F5EC45F-D7C-1594A@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>


Hey Patrick
get a bigger trailer and take the lot
Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete

Peter Woodmore




-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville


Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For 
he babies sake :-)

t 09:54 AM 17/07/2010, you wrote:
Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 00:23:39 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:23:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>

On 11 July 2010 09:26, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
> electrical power and charging its own battery set.

We did some running tests with the electrical load connected
yesterday, maximum temperature reached was 94 Deg C or 201 Deg F in
old money.

No problems with anything, the engine ran well for over an hour and
the alternator hardly got warm. The test load was 1.5kW, the engine is
11hp so hardly stretching itself!

There is a video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNfziTsKRc

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:16:38 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <4A8AA7F44ED74C769FBEE08ECA566732@regpc>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8AA7F44ED74C769FBEE08ECA566732@regpc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikivfhq0v5eq4_dRNMAshPxvc_sPHOuJYuNT86u@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 July 2010 08:26, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> So, wots that sad looking vehicle in front of it??
> Reg & Marg Ingold

That is Philip's Landy (Land Rover) Series III. He has just finished
replacing the front chassis dumb-irons and was refitting the wings and
radiator when the pictures and videos were taken.

He was out in it last evening, and is planning to go down to the
Mediterranean in his holiday fortnight next month.

It's a 2.5 n/a diesel now, but was a 2.25 petrol when he got it nearly
2 years ago, it has been stood in a barn in Essex for 12 years, still
had air in the tyres and he had it running within half an hour of
getting it home.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:50:28 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:50:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <C868FD74.52C4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

One of the engines will be earmarked for the baby (boy or girl). I don't
have the room for any more at the moment so it will be one of the existing
collection.
Patrick


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:57:48 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:57:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <F9D7F64C-02C6-464C-9453-E6C0A942E965@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C868FF2C.52C9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Next year it could be a travelling circus when we go to a rally: Engine, dog
& baby!


On 17/7/10 12:57 PM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For
>> the babies sake :-)
> 
> Sounds to me like Patrick needs to buy a bigger trailer... for
> nappies, babas and binkies.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:01:50 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <C869001E.52CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Tommy,
The Austral is a good engine to rally. It is a good size to transport in the
trailer and only weighs 1.25 tonne. It is the smallest of the early style
lampstart, portable, Australs. The only problem is has is that it is not
good in cold weather as it cools off and stops after an hour or so.


On 17/7/10 1:46 PM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:03:11 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <8CCF3A57F5EC45F-D7C-1594A@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C869006F.52CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
You are going to run out of room. You had better drop that little Blackstone
off to my place ;
If you need some parts, talk to Paul. He has been making bits for his 3hp.
Patrick


On 17/7/10 6:59 PM, "peterwoodmore at aol.com" <peterwoodmore at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> Hey Patrick
> get a bigger trailer and take the lot
> Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete
> 
> Peter Woodmore


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sun Jul 18 02:32:42 2010
From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:32:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C869006F.52CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCF4734E223EA9-5080-11CB7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com>


Patrick didn't you just say that you had run out of room, what a shame.

Peter Woodmore





-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville


Hi Peter,
ou are going to run out of room. You had better drop that little Blackstone
ff to my place ;
f you need some parts, talk to Paul. He has been making bits for his 3hp.
atrick

n 17/7/10 6:59 PM, "peterwoodmore at aol.com" <peterwoodmore at aol.com> wrote:
> 
 Hey Patrick
 get a bigger trailer and take the lot
 Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete
 
 Peter Woodmore

atrick M Livingstone
eichhardt NSW
ttp://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Jul 18 19:20:13 2010
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:20:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
Message-ID: <548EC7CC8A55444CA1336F98BE6724EF@billPC>

making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough of it hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and springs layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or pictures that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there is no stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be appreciated,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 19:53:42 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:53:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
In-Reply-To: <548EC7CC8A55444CA1336F98BE6724EF@billPC>
Message-ID: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Bill,
If you have Wendell's Power in the Past Vol3 there is a good cutaway of the
engine on page 79. If you don't I scan if for you.
The fuel return level is set in the pump by the level of the pipe into the
bowl.
The hit and miss governing is similar across all the Stover engines but I am
not sure how the throttler horizontals are setup.  I will look through my
files and see what I can find.
My vertical throttler has a different governing system to any other Stover
engines.
Patrick


On 19/7/10 12:20 PM, "bill boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:

> making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough of it
> hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
> we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and springs
> layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
> smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or pictures
> that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a
> throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there is no
> stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we
> could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be appreciated,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
> _______________________________________________
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Jul 19 09:57:54 2010
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:57:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
In-Reply-To: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08F5F9AB3B4A42FFB964D70C7C782004@billPC>

patrick, thanks for the offer to scan the cutaway, i;d really appreciate it,
bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp stover


> Hi Bill,
> If you have Wendell's Power in the Past Vol3 there is a good cutaway of 
> the
> engine on page 79. If you don't I scan if for you.
> The fuel return level is set in the pump by the level of the pipe into the
> bowl.
> The hit and miss governing is similar across all the Stover engines but I 
> am
> not sure how the throttler horizontals are setup.  I will look through my
> files and see what I can find.
> My vertical throttler has a different governing system to any other Stover
> engines.
> Patrick
>
>
> On 19/7/10 12:20 PM, "bill boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
>
>> making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough 
>> of it
>> hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
>> we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and 
>> springs
>> layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
>> smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or 
>> pictures
>> that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a
>> throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there 
>> is no
>> stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we
>> could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be 
>> appreciated,,
>> bill boyce
>> lost prairie, arkansas
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 13:39:56 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:39:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 July 2010 08:23, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 July 2010 09:26, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
>> electrical power and charging its own battery set.
>
> We did some running tests with the electrical load connected
> yesterday, maximum temperature reached was 94 Deg C or 201 Deg F in
> old money.
>
> No problems with anything, the engine ran well for over an hour and
> the alternator hardly got warm. The test load was 1.5kW, the engine is
> 11hp so hardly stretching itself!
>
> There is a video here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNfziTsKRc

Apologies, I thought that the video editing had produced a single long
video, in fact it had separated each chapter into a separate MPEG
file, and I had only uploaded the first one to YouTube.

Here are the rest of the sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXEYG-k6kBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuDmkPfsRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMOKlVANA2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilzLwhxvFJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgYfCTFUhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_vqvYoph4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzRQIQBDqI

Sorry about that!

Peter
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 20 07:15:42 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:15:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>

Peter:

Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston.  If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.

Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.

Am I missing something here?  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul 20 08:08:15 2010
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:08:15 GMT
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
Message-ID: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.  
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?  
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul 20 08:26:20 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:26:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Joe,

Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.

A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.  (worded for Dave's benefit)

For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.

George


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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:08 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.  
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?  
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 08:36:58 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:36:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <B148BCEC-9191-4DE9-8763-C363E36D10A4@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
> The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight  
> with my CP impact gun.
> But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.
> Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?
> Oil?
> Anti-Sieze?

Anti-seize is a good idea on lug nuts, or at the least, put some oil  
or grease on the surfaces prior to assembly.  Just as important is  
assembling using the proper torque.  Use the rattle gun to get the  
nuts snug, but finish them off with your torque wrench.






From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 09:05:46 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:05:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them  
> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening  
> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>
> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing


How do you DO that?





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul 20 10:11:19 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:11:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1279641603.1266.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100720183303.00e1f7a8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:26:20 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
><snip>
>
>Joe,
>
>Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.  But 
>you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make 
>sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>
>A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes 
>them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.  (worded for Dave's benefit)
>
>For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to 
>break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a 
>pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.
>
>George

Hi George,
         "it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date" - I 
love it - now to get the "Brandy & Coke" off the monitor !!!

         The thread reminds me of an experience I had a few years ago. 
Jacqui, my daughter, is a small girl - just 5' tall and 110 lbs. She had a 
male "friend" a few years ago who was what I would politely describe as an 
"idiot". I'm sure that you all know them - more muscle than brain although 
that's being too generous in his case. Let's rather say "All muscle - no 
brain".

         He was a "mechanic" (inverted comma's intentional) and had 
opportunity to change the wheels on her car. Well a few weeks later she had 
a puncture - fortunately at home. No problem, get the (also CP) impact 
wrench out and start removing the nuts - darn, not a budge - turn up the 
pressure on the compressor - still nothing - wrench at maximum !!

         O.K. try the wheel spanner and then a good long offset ring 
spanner and try again - still not a budge (Hey, I'm no weakling).

         I eventually loosened each nut by placing a 6' pipe over the ring 
spanner for leverage and even then it needed a lot of pressure and "bouncing"!

         How the hell this arsehole (Oops, sorry, I mean idiot) thought 
that Jacqui would ever get the wheel nuts loose if she had a puncture while 
travelling I do not know. (It's not a good idea for a single woman to be 
stuck on the side of the road in South Africa).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 20 12:46:30 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:46:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
Message-ID: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 12:58:30 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:58:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston. ?If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
>
> Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.
>
> Am I missing something here? ?:-)
>
> Take care - Elden

Hi Elden:

Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:

It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of water, the
higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated and takes more
heat out.

It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound of water through
1 degree Fahrenheit.

It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water into steam.

So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature = increased
evaporation = more heat out of the water.

That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and tank-cooled engines work under.

I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation drawings, it would give
me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it looks as though
it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.

I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve my aim of a
reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 20 13:53:28 2010
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <3EC9B2206255432496F108E3D6EB9A99@Desktop>

You could go to Germany where everybody has a square head.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; 
"Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws


Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive 
square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & 
Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything 
from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and 
lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long 
black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 14:38:51 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:38:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <006401cb2853$f1f87660$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

My local Tractor Supply has a good selection.

MR
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arnie Fero 
  To: Old Engine List ; Stationary Engine List 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:46 PM
  Subject: Square Head Lag Screws


  Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

  A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
  http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

  It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
  1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
  finish.

  These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
  http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

  Neat resource!!

  See ya,  Arnie

  Arnie Fero
  Pittsburgh, PA
  fero_ah at city-net.com



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 14:41:59 2010
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:41:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>,
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>,
	<AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>


Peter,according to publication7750, the temp of the out let water should be no hotter than 140 F.   John

> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:58:30 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
> 
> On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Peter:
> >
> > Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston.  If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
> >
> > Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.
> >
> > Am I missing something here?  :-)
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden:
> 
> Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:
> 
> It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of water, the
> higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated and takes more
> heat out.
> 
> It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound of water through
> 1 degree Fahrenheit.
> 
> It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water into steam.
> 
> So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature = increased
> evaporation = more heat out of the water.
> 
> That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and tank-cooled engines work under.
> 
> I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation drawings, it would give
> me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it looks as though
> it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.
> 
> I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve my aim of a
> reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 20 15:09:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:09:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Clearly, great minds and all that...

On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>
>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>
>
> How do you DO that?




From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:11:13 2010
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone,

? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any 
discussion on the Findlay show?
?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is 
doing well.

Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com 




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From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:09:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Clearly, great minds and all that...

On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>> up.? But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>
>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>
>
> How do you DO that?


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:24:46 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
In-Reply-To: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That is the site that was mentions a couplke yeras ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks,? Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.? Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.? Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:27:41 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <939823.2898.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bring it here.
I have an impact that will break the studs if the nuts won't come off. 8>))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:


From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 11:26 AM


Joe,

Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.? But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.

A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.? (worded for Dave's benefit)

For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:08 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.? 
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?? 
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jul 20 18:07:13 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:07:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <939823.2898.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100720210713.SCV38.9087438.root@mp16>


-> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.? (worded for Dave's benefit)
> 
It's policy in our shop to torque every wheel. We have a chart on the wall with specs. These are for dry threads, when oiled you have to reduce by at least 10% and watch what you're doing, they still may not want to torque up. Many of the new studs are coated or plated, no problem, but if they show any signs of rust they get oiled.
J.B. Castagnos




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 18:15:15 2010
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:15:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <12D16BEBD60040EEAAE03EB4A582E5F9@YOURDA6F5028CB>

A wack job escapes from the local loonie bin, rapes a woman on the street.  The next day's news paper headline yells "NUT BOLTS AND 
SCREWS"


That is the site that was mentions a couplke yeras ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks, Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs. Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long. Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 20 18:29:36 2010
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:29:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>

You are right Arnie , getting them all the same is important , But over 
tighting is a accident waiting to happen , to tight and you streach the 
studs and start to crack the stud in the deep part of the thread and then 
somebody finds your wheel and tire , just hope it's not a laywer . the use 
of oil and anticease is ok on some wheel fastners but not all , I use an air 
wrench but I been doing tires for 35 years and kinda got the feel , I hate 
you buildes with the broken box of dry wall screws in the back of your Dodge 
Ram with the tail gate down spewing them all over whever you go costing 
Ameircan truckers more then they make ,  phew ! got that off my chest , just 
don't over tourqe them and your fine.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts


> Clearly, great minds and all that...
>
> On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>>
>>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>>
>>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>>
>>
>> How do you DO that?
>
>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 20 18:41:32 2010
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com><70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
Message-ID: <3EF0DD91B0784DE1BFB1FBDE59222B94@homebase>

Sorry Guys , What I mean Is when you lose a wheel  going down the road at 55 
it don't just stop and lay down they can travel a mile and do lots of damage 
, I work for a trucking company that why I hate dry wall screwes , I have 
large coffee can full of naile and stuff I find in tires , most are dry wall 
screws

 Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts


> You are right Arnie , getting them all the same is important , But over
> tighting is a accident waiting to happen , to tight and you streach the
> studs and start to crack the stud in the deep part of the thread and then
> somebody finds your wheel and tire , just hope it's not a laywer . the use
> of oil and anticease is ok on some wheel fastners but not all , I use an 
> air
> wrench but I been doing tires for 35 years and kinda got the feel , I hate
> you buildes with the broken box of dry wall screws in the back of your 
> Dodge
> Ram with the tail gate down spewing them all over whever you go costing
> Ameircan truckers more then they make ,  phew ! got that off my chest , 
> just
> don't over tourqe them and your fine.
>
> Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
>
>
>> Clearly, great minds and all that...
>>
>> On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>>>
>>>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>>>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>>>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>>>
>>>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you DO that?
>>
>>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 18:43:35 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:43:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_3eGNPVkKFpH49gBbmm8SVr7S1_Ch_DL1NME9@mail.gmail.com>

I put a dab of anti-size on the part of the nut that touches the aluminum
wheel to prevent scoring as well as making them easier to get off. A little
oil on the threads keeps the rust away.

(My Ranger says 90 to 120 lbs - pretty wide range.)

Paul - many years near the ocean in SanFran


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 20 20:09:07 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:09:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100721030906.68FA99394@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Jim,
  Long time no see,  Hey ya know personally I am biased by it being 
my home show but we like it. August 5-8   You can start hauling 
tractors in Monday. Camping set up begins Tuesday north of the creek 
as well as engine set up. Marking spots begins Monday 5 pm.  Hosting 
the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America.
  See http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
Will you be bringing a display or coming to camp and relax?      Mark




At 08:11 PM 7/20/2010, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>   It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.  Any
>discussion on the Findlay show?
>  This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
>doing well.
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:09:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
>
>Clearly, great minds and all that...
>
>On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
> >
> >> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
> >> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
> >> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
> >>
> >> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
> >
> >
> > How do you DO that?
>
>
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Mark Shulaw
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USA

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Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 00:18:25 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:18:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>

Who is this Arnie Fero?
	Dave

On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping  
> boucing back un-deliverable??
>
> I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??
>
>
> Hi Arnie
>
> I just sent $140 green Yankee dollars to your PayPal account
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Can you please send a cheque for $130 payable to Midwest Old  
> Threshers to:
>
> Barry Tuller
> 6544 Stevensville Baroda Road
> Stevensville, MI  49127
>
> Place a note telling Barry the money is for me and my son's R&V Expo  
> fees at
> Mount Pleasant.
> Your a pal mate, my beer shout at Portland
>
>
> Peter, Oz
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 22:14:33 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:14:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
	<AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvzC4SlGZ8QVUubO5XXd5Ty-VTym9Tniz2Syn-@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 July 2010 22:41, john palmer <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Peter,according to publication7750, the temp of the out let water should be no hotter than 140 F. ? John

Hi John:

That is also in the 1HR - 1ZHR series book.

60 deg C seems awfully cool to me, especially for a diesel, but I'll
see what we can do to bring that temperature down.

My book is 1955, and with modern lubricants etc I would have no
worries about running at the higher temperatures, it certainly isn't
showing any distress or signs of anything getting near the limit. It
is not under anything like full load either.

I wonder how many engines actually achieved that, especially the
hopper-cooled 1HR and the OK, AP series, which must have run at higher
temperatures to achieve the cooling?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 23:25:35 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:25:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
Message-ID: <7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Who is this Arnie Fero?
> 	Dave


Hi, Dave.

This is what Wikipedia says:

Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Jul 21 00:26:26 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:26:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>,
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>,
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W527F336CC10AD764F23060B4A10@phx.gbl>


Rob; that was cold, or is it scary true ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:25:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
> > Who is this Arnie Fero?
> > Dave
> 
> 
> Hi, Dave.
> 
> This is what Wikipedia says:
> 
> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear 
> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S. 
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as 
> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and 
> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of 
> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S. 
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College 
> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the 
> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior 
> University Scholar. During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a 
> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> 
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 21 00:40:05 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:40:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe><D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>

I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing


> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
>> Dave
> 
> 
> Hi, Dave.
> 
> This is what Wikipedia says:
> 
> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 03:02:24 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:02:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
In-Reply-To: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <570128.19814.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I HATE the keyboard that came with this new computer.
Gray letters on black keys,,,,,
These keys don't know where to find my fingers yet.?? 8>))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 8:24 PM


That is the site that was mentions a couple years ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks,? Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.? Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.? Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 03:33:34 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe><D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com><7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
	<A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>
Message-ID: <001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Well, you can't argue with facts!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing


>I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> 
>>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
>>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, Dave.
>> 
>> This is what Wikipedia says:
>> 
>> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
>> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
>> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
>> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
>> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
>> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
>> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
>> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
>> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
>> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
>> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
>> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
>> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 05:59:30 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:59:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat  
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on  some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I also 
make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed Jul 21 06:53:13 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3BC626D57DBB43C1A5B5A84CFA731DE8@Eagle>


	I have several hobbies - some more closely followed than others.

Blacksmithing - demonstrating at the Wood County Historical Museum and doing
simple reproduction iron work. Presently vice-president of the Historical
Society.

Amateur radio - active mostly on VHF/UHF mobile but also on HF with hopes
for more antennas someday. Active in SKYWARN as a trained tornado spotter
and Amateur Radio Emergency Services. President of the local ham radio club
- Wood County Amateur Radio Club

Photography - still learning with new HD camcorder

Woodworking - not very skilled here but once in a while I get lucky

Flying - had a student license many years ago but still interested - going
to Oshkosh next week for a week

Collecting old technical books and manuals

Trying to keep up with HI-FI and audio/video technology and converting old
vinyl records to CDs. Sound technician at church for the Praise Service
musical group.

Firearms / reloading - enjoy hunting when I can and a little target practice
at the backyard range

	I really don't know how I had time to work before I retired in 2005.
Had to get an answering machine and keep a calendar since retirement.

Life is good!  


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are
unauthoritave, void and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have
any old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer
heads around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple
of loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is
some terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I
also make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit
hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 07:36:30 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:36:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <58477.7a2458d6.39785fee@aol.com>

Speaking of shooting, here is a shooting bench I built a couple of months  
ago.  Lots of fun target shooting on the farm.  Just wish I could hit  the 
same place twice!
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bench.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bench.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 07:56:39 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:56:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F325EF05B0084823828972E1D398E002@shop>

Hi Tom

Nice work! My dad carves walking sticks and canes and has completed in the 4
to 5 hundred range. He is 85 now and it has been his primary hobby for quite
a few years now. He gives most of them away and keeps a log of the time
spent on each one and who he gave it to. In most cases he has a picture of
the new owner with his/her stick.

I was wondering what type of wood your sticks are made of? I seem to
remember dad doing some type of wood that was killed bay a vine wrapping
around it. It looks like yours my be something like this.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat  
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have
any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I also

make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 08:41:59 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:41:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>

Dave,
 
I am an occasional stick maker, and give some away and others just hang in  
the basement.  Maybe Millie can sell them with the auctioneer someday along 
 with the other junk!  Mine are usually live when I cut them, and the vine  
is still wrapped around it.  Most dead ones I see are somewhat rotted due  
to the vine cutting into the tree. I find a lot of poplar, some oak, and an  
occasional cedar and dogwood.
 
Wish your father was closer as I am sure I could learn some valuable  
lessons from him in the art of making good sticks.  He probably has a  leather 
apron and all to make life easier.  I have found it is best to  rough strip 
off the bark while the tree is still freshly cut.  Once  it dries, taking off 
the bark is tough and time consuming.   

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From obise at moscow.com  Wed Jul 21 09:23:15 2010
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:23:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>

My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with a look
at our Web page menu.  

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm

Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine, hoping to
finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm nearly done
with the machine work; painting comes next.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 




From obise at moscow.com  Wed Jul 21 09:31:57 2010
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:31:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
References: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <280397989BC34EBA9936EAAC6E185A1C@CathyComp>

This is just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower, or whatever was following the sun.

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jul 21 09:47:27 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:47:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C47249F.4020301@coastalnet.com>

Pretty neat stuff, Tom.  I always enjoy seeing the walking sticks that
folks like you make. 

I am another of those folks with too many hobbies.  Photography has sort 
of taken over my
life these days.  It certainly has taken over my pocketbook;-)  I also 
dabble in woodworking,
mostly woodturning bowls.   I also make a little sorghum syrup and used 
to do a little bit
of gristmilling, but I don't have a working gristmill at the moment.  

Most of my photography can be seen on my Flickr page at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters/

Ken

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>  
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>  
>
>   



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 10:33:50 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:33:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <3EF0DD91B0784DE1BFB1FBDE59222B94@homebase>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
	<3EF0DD91B0784DE1BFB1FBDE59222B94@homebase>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilGKD2ViuOBQ_BYhGAw4ikStfwvZwYQsnh2qmlu@mail.gmail.com>

I used to be next to a tool rental place. The guys at the closest tire place
used to love me! Screws were bad but bolts were almost instantly fatal to
the tires. At least with bolts, I didn't have time to get on the freeway to
have a flat at high speed.

Paul


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 21 10:51:48 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:51:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.  Dave and I are planning to be there setup
in the "high rent district" down by the river.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
> ? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any
> discussion on the Findlay show?
> ?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
> doing well.




From don.h at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 21 11:22:16 2010
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:22:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com><70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <9A0830686C9D49A2B2235104330AD419@gusPC>

And the sweet corn is awful good this summer




From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 11:28:36 2010
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <F325EF05B0084823828972E1D398E002@shop>
Message-ID: <907085.30504.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Dave,
? In my area of Va. the vine is wild honeysucle and the sapling can be most any other kind of wood. I really like finding one with wild cherry.
? Dave.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net> wrote:


From: Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:56 AM


Hi Tom

Nice work! My dad carves walking sticks and canes and has completed in the 4
to 5 hundred range. He is 85 now and it has been his primary hobby for quite
a few years now. He gives most of them away and keeps a log of the time
spent on each one and who he gave it to. In most cases he has a picture of
the new owner with his/her stick.

I was wondering what type of wood your sticks are made of? I seem to
remember dad doing some type of wood that was killed bay a vine wrapping
around it. It looks like yours my be something like this.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat? 
working on old junk.? Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.? Some old chisels that I made new handles for.???I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower? one).? Anybody have
any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?? Also? had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.? Fitted some new? ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.? I installed the handles using? gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come? out again.? That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook? and cranny it can find!? I also

make some walking sticks I pick up when out? in the woods rabbit hunting.? 

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg???


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom? Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 12:11:16 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:11:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is  just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,  or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,
 
I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
 I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of  looking.  Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps 
based on  something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of  a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!  My  91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping  when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.  I had 
never taken  the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same  way.  So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.  
 
I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.  And Dave is  
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are  honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too  much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and  leave it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 21 14:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <9A0830686C9D49A2B2235104330AD419@gusPC>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<9A0830686C9D49A2B2235104330AD419@gusPC>
Message-ID: <20100721212203.4B7FD92CD@smtp.wcoil.com>

Wow is it ever!! Must be some of the best I have had in YEARS.  Even 
the stuff from the grocery stores is good.   Mark


At 02:22 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

>From: "Don Heringhaus" <don.h at wcoil.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>And the sweet corn is awful good this summer


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 21 14:47:55 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:47:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <20100721212203.4B7FD92CD@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<9A0830686C9D49A2B2235104330AD419@gusPC>
	<20100721212203.4B7FD92CD@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <e92ad9e6741a68d7804388d81f060bfd.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

AWESOME!!  Only two weeks to wait till the show!!

On Wed, July 21, 2010 5:22 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Wow is it ever!! Must be some of the best I have had in YEARS.  Even
> the stuff from the grocery stores is good.   Mark
>
>
> At 02:22 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
>
>>From: "Don Heringhaus" <don.h at wcoil.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>
>>And the sweet corn is awful good this summer





From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:08:40 2010
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>
Message-ID: <281434.69512.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I saw some kind of nature show on PBS one time that had slow-motion photography of the growing tip of a young vine going in a circular motion like it was looking for something to wrap around. Don't remember what kind it was. Now I'm going to have to go out in the yard and check the 3 or 4 different kinds of vines we have in the driveway and hedge rows? !!!!
? Dave.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 3:11 PM



In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is? just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,? or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,

I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of? looking.? Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps 
based on? something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of? a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!? My? 91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping? when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.? I had 
never taken? the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same? way.? So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.? 

I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.? And Dave is? 
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are? honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too? much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and? leave it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 


Tom? Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:41:32 2010
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Cant wait for that sweet corn. Hope to be able to have a beer or two with Arnie 
and?Dave and anyone else.?LOL
?Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com 




________________________________
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:51:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay show

It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.? Dave and I are planning to be there 
setup
in the "high rent district" down by the river.

See ya,? Arnie

On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
> ? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any
> discussion on the Findlay show?
> ?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
> doing well.


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 16:43:45 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:43:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>

I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and doing a
little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day stuff
and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.

Some day that seven day weekend will come.

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
Iseminger
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with a look
at our Web page menu.  

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm

Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine, hoping to
finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm nearly done
with the machine work; painting comes next.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 


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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jul 21 17:04:57 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <280397989BC34EBA9936EAAC6E185A1C@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>

Hi Tom,
All climbing beans down under climb clockwise.
John Cooper 
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
Iseminger
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 2:32 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


This is just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower, or whatever was following the sun.

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 17:10:28 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:10:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
References: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9CB00DC39FF42A089348E667B90CB2E@shop>

Hi Tom

Yes it would be fun for you guys to get together; I'm sure you would have a
lot to talk about. Dad is a picky German (perfectionist) and his sticks and
canes reflect that. I will try to send you a couple of pictures of the ones
my family has. Mine is a cane and I put it to good use when I broke my foot
some years ago.

I'm not quite sure how he deals with the bark; I do know that he likes to
carefully work his way down through the layers and on certain types of wood
the bark is left mostly intact. He prefers Formby's Tung Oil for a finish
and they are usually glass smooth when finished.

Best regards,
Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

Dave,
 
I am an occasional stick maker, and give some away and others just hang in  
the basement.  Maybe Millie can sell them with the auctioneer someday along 
 with the other junk!  Mine are usually live when I cut them, and the vine  
is still wrapped around it.  Most dead ones I see are somewhat rotted due  
to the vine cutting into the tree. I find a lot of poplar, some oak, and an

occasional cedar and dogwood.
 
Wish your father was closer as I am sure I could learn some valuable  
lessons from him in the art of making good sticks.  He probably has a
leather 
apron and all to make life easier.  I have found it is best to  rough strip 
off the bark while the tree is still freshly cut.  Once  it dries, taking
off 
the bark is tough and time consuming.   

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 17:13:37 2010
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:13:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <1300391126-1279757618-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1007266171-@bda2235.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have a 5 year old daughter and 3 year old son, plus a job that sucks 50-55 hours out of me every week.  Needless to say, my hobby time is limited...

I did the old cars hobby for a few years, but engines were my first obsession and always will be my favorite.  Besides, you can only bring home so many rusty old clunkers before the wife starts waving the rolling pin.  Not to mention you can fit 6-7 mid size engines in the same amount of room that an old car or truck takes up!

-Tony


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jul 21 17:14:00 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:14:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2ECDAA5978AE480EA385937A9BC79D9B@JBCooper>

Hi Tom,
Are my eyes playing tricks. That stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.
John Cooper 
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 5:11 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is  just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,  or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,
 
I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
 I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of  looking.  Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps

based on  something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of  a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!  My  91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping  when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.  I
had 
never taken  the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same  way.  So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.  
 
I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.  And Dave is  
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are
honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too  much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and  leave
it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 18:13:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:13:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
Message-ID: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>

When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
> doing a
> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
> stuff
> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>
> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
> Iseminger
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
> a look
> at our Web page menu.
>
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>
> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
> hoping to
> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
> nearly done
> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 18:15:19 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:15:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>

It will be good to see you again Jim! Will you bring along that good  
looking young gal that you have been sleeping with for a while now?
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:41 PM, James Yost wrote:

> Cant wait for that sweet corn. Hope to be able to have a beer or two  
> with Arnie
> and Dave and anyone else. LOL
>  Jim and Janna Yost
> Utica, Ohio
> USA
> jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:51:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay show
>
> It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.  Dave and I are planning to  
> be there
> setup
> in the "high rent district" down by the river.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
>>   It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on  
>> line.  Any
>> discussion on the Findlay show?
>>  This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope  
>> everyone one is
>> doing well.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 18:29:24 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:29:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
Message-ID: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>

And the URL is?



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
> doing a
> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
> stuff
> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>
> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
> Iseminger
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
> a look
> at our Web page menu.
>
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>
> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
> hoping to
> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
> nearly done
> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 21 19:03:45 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:03:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
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On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:13 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> the porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps  
> both of
> us pretty damn busy.

Don't ask, don't tell.






























From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 19:17:29 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:17:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014801cb2944$091dbd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Good work there Tom!  Lets see, other than engines and keeping my evil 
brother out of trouble, I also am a Ford Model T guy, work on Brunner air 
compressors, and collect gasoline related items.  Plus dozens of other 
things that keep me from finishing many things.

Work really gets in the way.....

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies


> It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat
> working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on 
> some
> other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to
> fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have 
> any
> old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer 
> heads
> around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of
> loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any 
> voids,
> so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some
> terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I 
> also
> make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg
>
>
> _ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg)
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jul 21 19:18:54 2010
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:18:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
Message-ID: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>

Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should be at the top of the list. :-)
Keith



On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
> 
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>> 
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>> 
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>> 
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>> 
>> Orrin
>> 
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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Keith Kinney
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WWW.HerculesEngines.com






From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 19:19:58 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:19:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
Message-ID: <017301cb2944$61b41d60$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

It seems that I am not alone in my creative writing........


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>>
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 19:29:50 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:29:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop><D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com><6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
	<269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <F80E464CF5F84100BC29449AAF72F487@shop>

I think I will pass!

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should be at
the top of the list. :-)
Keith



On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
> 
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>> 
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>> 
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>> 
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>> 
>> Orrin
>> 
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 19:38:24 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:38:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
Message-ID: <DE7F0A16-BE95-4880-9F98-E0FEC396BFB5@me.com>

http://www.youporn.com/ provides most of our supplemental income. It's  
(for the most part) a "family friendly" site. (There are at times  
sisters [often even twins] and a mother and daughter "act.") The other  
site (for which Arnie is mostly responsible) is a bit more explicit  
and, therefore, I hesitate to post it on a family oriented list such  
as this!
	Dave
PS, Dave, Remember, your wife checks your 'puter from time to time!

On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>>
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 19:44:11 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:44:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
	<269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <400BB2E3-A828-4C3A-8D9B-494292D93CD4@me.com>

At $US0.04 per hit I sure as hell hope that it's "top of the list!"
	Dave
PS, Can you multiply $US0.04 times 50,000 hits per day times 365 days  
per year?
PPS, You guys didn't really think that Arnie was getting all that  
engine money from Dear Leader, did you?

On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should  
> be at the top of the list. :-)
> Keith
>
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>
>> And the URL is?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the
>> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both  
>> of
>> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and
>> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a
>> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was
>> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me
>> all night to do what I used to do all night!
>> 	Dave
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and
>>> doing a
>>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day
>>> stuff
>>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>>
>>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Otto
>>> Boise, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of  
>>> Orrin B
>>> Iseminger
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>>
>>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with
>>> a look
>>> at our Web page menu.
>>>
>>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>>
>>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,
>>> hoping to
>>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm
>>> nearly done
>>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>>
>>> Orrin
>>>
>>> Orrin Iseminger
>>> Colton, Washington, USA
>>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Germoamer at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>>
>>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jul 21 19:50:54 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:50:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>


---- John & Beryl Cooper <cooperjb at aapt.net.au> wrote: 
> Hi Tom,
> All climbing beans down under climb clockwise.
> John Cooper 
> Bega Australia.

What direction do the clocks run down there?
J.B. Castagnos


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 20:03:04 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:03:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
In-Reply-To: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
References: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
Message-ID: <E8FFC2E5-CDA0-4AFE-94C5-4D2C77180A5B@me.com>

"End of the perch?" What the hell do you think we are Reg--STUPID?  
Shit we fell for that several years ago and bought you beer the whole  
time you were over here! Marg warned us, but we didn't listen. This  
time we simply don't trust you. We expect to see you MANY times before  
you turn room temperature--so stop trying to play on our sympathy!
	Dave

On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:04 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say,  
> "In 4 weeks, you will be 'over there'"
> Which hit home to me.
> I went looking through back pics of trips, (along with  pics from  
> Dolly, taken when her offspring were a LOT smaller than they are now!)
> It was a lot of years ago, I made my first 'Engine Trip' to the USA  
> and Portland was the 'Special place' where I met up with some of the  
> best folk on this planet.
> I also accept the fact that at 74, this may well be MY last foray to  
> the USA. (Dont sigh with relief just yet! Ya never know!!)
> So, thinking  back on the great times I had with you all, (Sadly,  
> the 'end of the perch' has removed a lot of our original members),
> I think we should aim to make this year's event, a 'Catch up with  
> old mates' event. (I am aware that the internet allows us to keep in  
> contact but, it aint the same as a personal hug and handshake.)
> Ok, each and every one of you has some thinking and planning to do.
> I, ME, will be there and will be looking out for old mates! I sure  
> want to see as many as I can. The friendships formed has made my  
> life so much better in all respects.
> See ya mates.
> Reg
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 20:22:00 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:22:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie
Message-ID: <09EC1722-2552-4124-BDA7-D28C5876BDEB@me.com>

Arnie, We still have this one "UP" on our second site, do we not? See: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.db0e3a510e837b22648b1cac367c137d.1e1&show_article=1
	Dave



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:34:18 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:34:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9bc26.3e833dd1.397986ba@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

Besides,  you can only bring home so many rusty old clunkers before the 
wife starts  waving the rolling pin. 


Tony,
 
No rolling pins here, but Millie did tell me more than once I could not own 
 the world!  
She also refused me to erect any more buildings!
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:45:05 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:45:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c373.1d0fe06d.39798941@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

That  stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.


John,
 
I was wondering if that subject would come up.  The sticks are hanging  
with the butt towards the ground, just as it grows.  If you lay your head  on 
the ground and look up, the vine wraps in a clockwise motion.  If you  look 
from the top of the stick and unwind the vine it unwinds in a  
counterclockwise motion.  It is the way I look at it and probably no  winners on the 
subject. I suppose it all depends on which way you  have the clock facing to make 
the determination. It is my  understanding once you pass the equator, 
clocks face upside down from what they  do in the northern hemisphere. I think I 
have hear that on this list  before.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:46:35 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:46:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c487.4ba10765.3979899b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

I will  try to send you a couple of pictures of the ones
my family  has.


Dave,
 
Look forward to seeing the pictures of your Dad's canes.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:48:12 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:48:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c5ab.7783cf2e.397989fc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 9:21:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

The  primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what  I used to do all night!



Geesh Dave, I thought "men pills" solved that problem!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:53:04 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:53:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c98b.5e208f2e.39798b20@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

Work  really gets in the way.....


Mike,
 
That is the reason after working as a mechanical engineer for 30 years in  
the nuclear industry like Arnie, and then working for brother in law for 
another  10 years building houses, I finally quit last year.  Still do not have 
 enough time for all the hobbies I have and stuff to do.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 14:36:48 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:36:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <9c98b.5e208f2e.39798b20@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801cb29e5$fd7ba6e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

I intend to be the first Royster to ever retire.  When I turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> Work  really gets in the way.....
>
>
> Mike,
>
> That is the reason after working as a mechanical engineer for 30 years in
> the nuclear industry like Arnie, and then working for brother in law for
> another  10 years building houses, I finally quit last year.  Still do not 
> have
> enough time for all the hobbies I have and stuff to do.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 15:46:03 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:46:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <7052a.40a2f888.397a242b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

When I  turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!


If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having to  
pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little early! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Thu Jul 22 15:55:08 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:55:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <9c373.1d0fe06d.39798941@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E3169A48C1BE456BA5BEFBA9117E662D@JBCooper>

Tom,
Take another look. No matter which way up the stick is the rotation is the
same.
John
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 9:45 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

That  stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.


John,
 
I was wondering if that subject would come up.  The sticks are hanging  
with the butt towards the ground, just as it grows.  If you lay your head
on 
the ground and look up, the vine wraps in a clockwise motion.  If you  look 
from the top of the stick and unwind the vine it unwinds in a  
counterclockwise motion.  It is the way I look at it and probably no
winners on the 
subject. I suppose it all depends on which way you  have the clock facing to
make 
the determination. It is my  understanding once you pass the equator, 
clocks face upside down from what they  do in the northern hemisphere. I
think I 
have hear that on this list  before.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 22 16:00:39 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:00:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>
References: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>
	<20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <20100722230028.C521A304246@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>


>
>
>What direction do the clocks run down there?
>J.B. Castagnos


Hi JB, mate it all depends on where we are going. Moving forward in 
our lives our clocks go clockwise!  When we go backwards; say like 
head off to the USA, they go anticlockwise!
Russ



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 22 16:14:17 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed!  Mark me as wrong!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
>
>
> On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Peter:
> >
> > Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system
> for the Ruston. ?If you really load it up, it will
> surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
> >
> > Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line
> and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp
> gets to 90C or so.
> >
> > Am I missing something here? ?:-)
> >
> > Take care - Elden
>
> Hi Elden:
>
> Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:
>
> It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of
> water, the
> higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated
> and takes more
> heat out.
>
> It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound
> of water through
> 1 degree Fahrenheit.
>
> It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water
> into steam.
>
> So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature
> = increased
> evaporation = more heat out of the water.
>
> That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and
> tank-cooled engines work under.
>
> I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation
> drawings, it would give
> me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it
> looks as though
> it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.
>
> I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve
> my aim of a
> reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul 22 16:56:52 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <7052a.40a2f888.397a242b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E538A53EAA84DEA8AE5FD4481809254@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:46 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

 
In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

When I  turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!


If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having
to  
pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little
early! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 18:09:43 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:09:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Columbus Progress
Message-ID: <C86F28F7.53CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This little goody recently arrived from the USA:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/DSCF4013.JPG

A nice new mixer for my vertical Columbus. I am slowly getting the bits
together for this engine and once I have critical mass I will make a start
on it :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 19:15:40 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:15:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <0E538A53EAA84DEA8AE5FD4481809254@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <003f01cb2a0c$f26dfe20$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Why, all that flattery may just cause me to come back even sooner.  Went to 
Bowling Green and back yesterday but I was riding in a small plane.  Next 
time I fly to Magnolia it will be in a C-140!!!!   Er, you know, so i can 
bring lots of goodies to trade.  MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


> Tom,
> He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
> there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
> coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
> long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:46 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
>
> In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> When I  turn 80, I am
> quitting regardless!!!
>
>
> If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having
> to
> pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little
> early!
>
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 00:01:20 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:01:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuQOtV9dVwz3KDBe85e8qRMwJ7nPsyWnH25yu+@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 July 2010 00:14, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed! ?Mark me as wrong!
>
> Take care - Elden

Well, I asked the question, haven't had a definitive answer yet.

The 1HR and above was available with hopper cooling, and the petrol
and petrol/paraffin (kero) engines were as well, up to 10hp, and they
must run hotter than a diesel.

As soon as I have a definitive answer, I'll get back to you.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 06:34:45 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:34:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
Message-ID: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>

Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show on Friday, Saturday.
I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???

Peter, Oz

From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 23 07:00:23 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:00:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <DC27F4B55DCD47E68E486C1C3B884E4C@laruecounty.courthouse>

Its pretty dead on Sunday Peter.  I'd say about 20 to 25% of the
exhibitors and sellers pull out Friday evening and more than that on
Sat.  There's probably about a 1/4 of them left on the grounds by noon
on Sunday.  This is from my experience years ago.  I haven't been to
Portland on Sunday for the last 15 or more years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:35 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show

Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up
and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and
the show on Friday, Saturday.
I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???

Peter, Oz
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 23 07:19:31 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:19:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Pete,

A number of folks are pulling out on Saturday.  We load up and pull out Sunday
morning.  By the time we're rolling on Sunday, it's pretty sparse.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, July 23, 2010 9:34 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up and gone
> home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show on Friday,
> Saturday.
> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:16:46 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:16:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <DC27F4B55DCD47E68E486C1C3B884E4C@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <126415CFEEF34070A048E84038B7406A@peterlowe>

Looks like I might have to get up very early in Chicago, jet lagged,  and 
get there mid day Thursday!!
Peter




> Its pretty dead on Sunday Peter.  I'd say about 20 to 25% of the
> exhibitors and sellers pull out Friday evening and more than that on
> Sat.  There's probably about a 1/4 of them left on the grounds by noon
> on Sunday.  This is from my experience years ago.  I haven't been to
> Portland on Sunday for the last 15 or more years.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:35 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
>
> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up
> and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and
> the show on Friday, Saturday.
> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???
>
> Peter, Oz
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:17:50 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
Message-ID: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>

Have a look at this engine
http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html





Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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Skype name: ozengines

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:23:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:23:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
	<4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>

OK, thanks Arnie
Pete





> G'day Pete,
>
> A number of folks are pulling out on Saturday.  We load up and pull out 
> Sunday
> morning.  By the time we're rolling on Sunday, it's pretty sparse.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, July 23, 2010 9:34 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up 
>> and gone
>> home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show 
>> on Friday,
>> Saturday.
>> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 07:41:09 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:41:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
	<4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHTkyrDwixRkooJhMhWvVhuOzSMcDV8q-gtxf-@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 July 2010 15:23, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
> OK, thanks Arnie
> Pete

We always do the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, you see the best of
the show on those days. Saturdays are left for the thunderstorms :-))

Peter
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 08:13:24 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>



Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

Tom Winland

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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 09:01:57 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:01:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
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Tom,

Nice pictures!  One of these years I'll do something like that at my place.  Just don't have a nice big building full of engine like you do ;-)

Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.

George

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To: SEL list
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Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:12:21 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:12:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuQOtV9dVwz3KDBe85e8qRMwJ7nPsyWnH25yu+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
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On 23 July 2010 08:01, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 July 2010 00:14, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Peter:
>>
>> I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed! ?Mark me as wrong!
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>
> Well, I asked the question, haven't had a definitive answer yet.
>
> The 1HR and above was available with hopper cooling, and the petrol
> and petrol/paraffin (kero) engines were as well, up to 10hp, and they
> must run hotter than a diesel.
>
> As soon as I have a definitive answer, I'll get back to you.
>
> Peter

I emailed Ray Hooley, here is his response:

"Hello Peter. I am attaching sections from instruction books for  1.
Hopper-cooled  and  2. Tank-cooled engines.
Engines run more efficiently with hotter water. Hopper-cooled engines
are usually well-attended and so
are designed to reach close-on boiling point and the attendant can top
them up regularly as they lose water by evaporation.  Tank-cooled
engines are usually left for long periods without attention - so they
are designed to run at a lower temperature so that they do not lose
water quickly. If the water level dropped below the inlet-pipe
connection, circulation would stop and the engine could be damaged!!!
I hope that this helps. Best wishes. Ray."

I think that confirms my own feelings, especially about the
temperatures that the other engines run up to without problems.

Peter
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From gop4evr at lsol.net  Fri Jul 23 09:13:25 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>

On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Have a look at this engine
> http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
>
>    
Looks like the text on the site needs an update.  He says he has not 
tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
line hooked up.  NEAT engine though.

Nels
Manitowoc WI


From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 09:29:35 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:29:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323D81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Yes, it appears he was trying to run it.

http://gasenginetom.com/images/Wooden_Engine_pic_1.jpg

Even the oiler is turned on in this picture.  Plus you can see the propane hose hooked up to the engine.

Would sure love to see some video of the governor working in this engine.

George

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:13 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unusual engine

On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Have a look at this engine
> http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
>
>    
Looks like the text on the site needs an update.  He says he has not 
tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
line hooked up.  NEAT engine though.

Nels
Manitowoc WI
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:37:36 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:37:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>


George,

 

lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen.  :(

 

Tom
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:01:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Nice pictures! One of these years I'll do something like that at my place. Just don't have a nice big building full of engine like you do ;-)
> 
> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:13 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend :) Good time had by all :)
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 23 09:49:41 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:49:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	Wished I could have made it.  I don't see any engines
runnging....but a lot of beer drinkin!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 11:13 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures



Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house
last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 10:00:22 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
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Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.

While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.

Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.

Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.

I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.

Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
George,

lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen.  :(

Tom
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> 
> George


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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:33:18 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:33:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
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some of those pictures are from the previous owner who didn't know much about engines and was trying to get it running but finally gave up on it.  Some day maybe I'll find the time to mess with it.  Right now it doesn't have much compression and that will have to be addressed first

 

Tom
 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:25 -0500
> From: gop4evr at lsol.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unusual engine
> 
> On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> > Have a look at this engine
> > http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
> >
> > 
> Looks like the text on the site needs an update. He says he has not 
> tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
> can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
> line hooked up. NEAT engine though.
> 
> Nels
> Manitowoc WI
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 23 10:37:29 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
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	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
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Hi George,

I agree that some throttlers (and some two-strokes) make some really sweet stack
music.  Included in that chorus would be my 7 hp Crossley (AKA Fat Bastard), my 5 hp
Petter "M", and the Bessemer half-breed when she's running slow and hitting every
time.

Last year at Portland Steve Webre turned me onto the sound of a 10 hp IHC "M". 
SWEET!!  I could listen to one of those all day.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, July 23, 2010 1:00 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be
> hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I
> do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle
> governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting
> cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat
> of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger
> engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 10:31:51 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:31:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>
References: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w519DBFF5CC2AF84EE20714C2A30@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy,

 

We ran several engines inside the barn later in the day and yes there was alot of beer drinking that went on.  I think I finally went to bed about 4:30 in the morning  :)

 

Tom
 
> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:49:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> Tom,
> Wished I could have made it. I don't see any engines
> runnging....but a lot of beer drinkin!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 11:13 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house
> last weekend :) Good time had by all :)
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 23 10:51:44 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:51:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1279900802.26920.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100723194809.01cf8168@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 23/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
><snip>
>Tom,
>         He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
>there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
>coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
>long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Judge, I FEEL for you! I've got a cat like that - he knows that he can 
twist my arm and I'll do anything he wants :-)



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 11:11:03 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:11:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?


I have two International 6hp M's and the are great running engines with a  
nice sound!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 12:57:08 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:57:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>, ,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>, ,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>,
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>


What about the engines that coast against compression like Otto's and several other's.  :)  They aren't typical throtle governed engines but yet they only fire when they get fuel.

 

Personally I like em all !!!!   :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
> Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
> 
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers. Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines. Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
> 
> lol Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover. :) I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen. :(
> 
> Tom
> 
> > From: George_Best at adp.com
> > Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> > 
> > George
> 
> 
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 13:01:07 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:01:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <1f49d.69b37cfb.397b4f03@aol.com>

Oh gosh yes----they sound great---especially at VERY slow  idle---   I have 
a 8hp  Stover that I just re-done----I did not  have a good mixer, so I 
hung a Model-A Ford carb on it temporary and it  sounds  great!  Just got to 
get it back  original!!!     FUN stuff!
   Stan Zettner
     Pleasanton, Tx
      Old Stovers!!!
        


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 23 13:16:47 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tom:

I, too, like throttle governed engines.  It takes a bit more work
to get them to run sweet but it's worth it to hear the slow and
constant chug, chug, chub, etc.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:11 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> George_Best at adp.com writes:
>
> Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
>
> I have two International 6hp M's and the are great
> running engines with a
> nice sound!
>
> Tom  Schmutz



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 13:35:21 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>, ,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>, ,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>,
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43324545@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

The Czech Benz and Lorenz engines also coast against compression, but they are still hit&miss.  

Engines like these still coast, but you don't hear the air movement like on the ones with the exhaust valve held open.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:57 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


What about the engines that coast against compression like Otto's and several other's.  :)  They aren't typical throtle governed engines but yet they only fire when they get fuel.

 

Personally I like em all !!!!   :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
> Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
> 
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers. Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines. Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
> 
> lol Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover. :) I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen. :(
> 
> Tom
> 
> > From: George_Best at adp.com
> > Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> > 
> > George
> 
> 
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 13:39:51 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:39:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>

It is also fun to CONVERT the old hitt-miss to throttle  governed---even if 
it is just temporary----   sure is  easy on  the rod bearings etc etc
 Stan Zettner


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jul 23 14:12:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:12:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>
References: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>
Message-ID: <374AEB5E-A78C-4D00-ACF6-AD27B77F7E48@me.com>

WHY do you think it is "easier on the rod bearings?"
	Dave
PS, What is the "etc etc" to which you refer?

On Jul 23, 2010, at 4:39 PM, gastzt at aol.com wrote:

> It is also fun to CONVERT the old hitt-miss to throttle  governed--- 
> even if
> it is just temporary----   sure is  easy on  the rod bearings etc etc
> Stan Zettner
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 23 14:21:25 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:21:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43324545@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

George:

Don't forget the McVicker which coasts on compression, governed
by turning off the ignition when on the governor.  They are wierd
sounding engines, making some folks swear that they're 2-cycle.

The McVicker will also run either direction!

Check mine out at my web page and YouTube (username: Enginecoot)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:35 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
>
>
> The Czech Benz and Lorenz engines also coast against
> compression, but they are still hit&miss.
>
> Engines like these still coast, but you don't hear the
> air movement like on the ones with the exhaust valve held open.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Jul 23 15:25:48 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Steam
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4C4A16EC.7000409@lbpinc.com>

  This year the Pageant of Steam 3349 Gehan Road, Canandaigua, New York 
is on August 11 thru 14

Many years is it is the same time as Portland.  This might be a good 
year to catch a good show.

Check it out here.
http://www.pageantofsteam.org/
http://www.pageantofsteam.org/2007pics.php

Frank

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SERVE PEOPLE
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    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 23 15:27:19 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:27:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B72437BF0BE453A906D674070FF4EE8@regpc>


My 1hp Mogul has a sweet sound to it. It  gets fired up now and then.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


>
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> George_Best at adp.com writes:
>
> Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
>
> I have two International 6hp M's and the are great running engines with a
> nice sound!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul 23 15:47:26 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:47:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <004a01cb2ab9$06445910$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

heresy!!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's 
> looks to be hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including 
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are 
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its 
> coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the 
> nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes 
> to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
>
> lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was 
> hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the 
> get together but that didn't happen.  :(
>
> Tom
>
>> From: George_Best at adp.com
>> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
>>
>> George
>
>
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the 
> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 
> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an 
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> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments 
> from your system.
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul 23 15:48:22 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:48:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100723194809.01cf8168@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <005d01cb2ab9$278b0650$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Meeeeeeeeyowwwwww!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs


> At 06:00 PM 23/07/2010, you wrote:
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>><snip>
>>Tom,
>>         He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
>>there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
>>coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
>>long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
> 
> Judge, I FEEL for you! I've got a cat like that - he knows that he can 
> twist my arm and I'll do anything he wants :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jul 23 16:12:51 2010
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:12:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<004a01cb2ab9$06445910$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A6879049C8223@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

When did throttle governed engines start to gain prominence over hit&miss governed engines?
  Jim K

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mike Royster
Sent: Fri 7/23/2010 6:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound



heresy!!!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's
> looks to be hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its
> coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the
> nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes
> to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
>
> lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was
> hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the
> get together but that didn't happen.  :(
>
> Tom
>
>> From: George_Best at adp.com
>> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
>>
>> George
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 23 16:26:02 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:26:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100723232550.04A903042C3@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

G'day Tom, gotta love those shed days. Have had a couple of small 
social days like that here.  Plenty of beers and good mates. Lifes good
Russell



At 01:13 AM 24/07/2010, you wrote:


>Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my 
>house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)
>
>
>http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
>
>
>
>Tom Winland
>
>Ohio
>
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>with Hotmail.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 16:26:28 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:26:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7c296.2d2dea5d.397b7f24@aol.com>

Hey George---I'm with you on that one!   Those small  ones are a blast to 
watch---and listen to---LOL!   They are all   better than ANY TV show for 
sure---ha!
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx


From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 23 16:28:52 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:28:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
	<A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>
	<001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20100723232839.992463B4607@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Carmel and I always thought Arnie hid is age well. He may well be 
Daves twin brother ....
Russell


At 08:33 PM 21/07/2010, you wrote:
>Well, you can't argue with facts!!!
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
>
>
> >I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
> > Reg & Marg Ingold
> > Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
> >>> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Dave.
> >>
> >> This is what Wikipedia says:
> >>
> >> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear
> >> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.
> >> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as
> >> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and
> >> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-
> >> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of
> >> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.
> >> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College
> >> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the
> >> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior
> >> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a
> >> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> >>
> >>
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> >
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 16:30:02 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:30:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7c517.481afefb.397b7ffa@aol.com>

Hey Tom--
  yooooo are soooo right--they are ALL  a  blast!  Thank goodness for a 
GOOD variety----sure keeps the shows from  being dull for sure--LOL!
       The concession-stands do  a GREAT job also------ha!
 Stan


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 17:42:07 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:42:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <C87073FF.540E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have a real soft spot for my big Stover 6hp vertical throttler. It is a
real sweet runner. The real issue is it putting me to sleep at rallies with
its nice even beat.
A big throttler running well is a joy to listen to. The issue with
throttlers is that they are often not running right at rallies and often
sound like a bad hit and miss engine.
Patrick


On 24/7/10 3:00 AM, "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks
> to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting
> cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady
> beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to
> larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 23 18:22:47 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:22:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <7B649D82-A940-47EB-9E23-680CF9CB9EDF@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 23, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?


I won't go as far as to say that I prefer TG, but I like our  
Commercial, which is TG.  When I throttle it back, the exhaust is VERY  
quiet.  We old guys with bad hearing prefer quiet engines.

Rob





From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Sat Jul 24 00:38:20 2010
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:38:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] info on tail light indicator
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5BE415FDDDC34249A86DC20A10AC839F@shack>


Hi all
 
A friend is restoring a 47 ford Ute, and on the dash it has a taillight
indicator can anyone tell us how it works or what it was for?
Sort of looks like a relay but not it has a moving plate that uncovers a
slotted hole in the front. Bloody hard to describe 
Look for any ideas on it 

Thanks Alan 
 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jul 25 19:18:17 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad
	.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>


Hi All,
  With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone 
that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil 
testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil 
really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old 
mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to 
find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is. 
Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jul 25 19:59:35 2010
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:59:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
Message-ID: <1139445221-1280113176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995880209-@bda2235.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Mark,
Try looking up Blackstone Labs.  They make and analyze oil analysis kits and could probably test it for you.

www.bobistheoilguy.com is also a good site to check.  Many oil-gurus on there...

-Tony


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 26 08:42:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:42:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Mark,

When used at the recommended dilution of 50,000:1,
does it really matter?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - You had to see that coming, right?

On Sun, July 25, 2010 10:18 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>   With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone
> that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil
> testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil
> really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old
> mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to
> find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is.
> Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark





From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 26 09:04:47 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:04:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>



         Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would 
ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 
1  That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark

At 11:42 AM 7/26/2010, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>When used at the recommended dilution of 50,000:1,
>does it really matter?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - You had to see that coming, right?
>
>On Sun, July 25, 2010 10:18 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >
> >   With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone
> > that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil
> > testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil
> > really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old
> > mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to
> > find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is.
> > Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 26 09:40:38 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Does the axe need to be removed before the starting attempt?  8-))

On Mon, July 26, 2010 12:04 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>          Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would
> ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
> Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 1
> That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 26 10:07:19 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:07:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20100726170715.7013892F5@smtp.wcoil.com>

Depends upon your intentions. If its hot out and the air is still I 
would say no. If you need the axe to chase away other Taggers , 
yes,  GRINNNNN   Maytag Mark    SEE YA AT FINDlAY!!!!


At 12:40 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote:
>Does the axe need to be removed before the starting attempt?  8-))
>
>On Mon, July 26, 2010 12:04 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >          Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would
> > ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
> > Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 1
> > That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jul 27 16:04:32 2010
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:04:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] dess scott
Message-ID: <6C6783B9F79D4DDD9C97B789257F7BD1@Edd>

I need to contact Dess Scott in Newcastle NSW.I know he lurks on the 
lists.Maybe you can help me Reg.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 28 05:28:39 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:28:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
Message-ID: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>

Hi guys
Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a current email address OFF LIST please.
His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying when people do not notify change of address.


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 28 13:45:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:45:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
In-Reply-To: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>

Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
there is a reason for it!
	Dave
PS, Just a thought!

On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi guys
> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
> current email address OFF LIST please.
> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
> when people do not notify change of address.
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 28 14:10:40 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:10:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
	<6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>
Message-ID: <7033CC335963423985B1AF0E442BF075@peterlowe>

You mean, IRS, CIA, FBI etc Dave !!!
Peter





> Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
> there is a reason for it!
> Dave
> PS, Just a thought!
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
>> current email address OFF LIST please.
>> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
>> when people do not notify change of address.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 28 14:57:29 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:57:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
	<6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>
Message-ID: <5532C0D2850442A69637549C0B6CB3D8@regpc>

On form this morning Dave!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa


> Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
> there is a reason for it!
> Dave
> PS, Just a thought!
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
>> current email address OFF LIST please.
>> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
>> when people do not notify change of address.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 12:59:30 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
Message-ID: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. Can anyone help me out.
My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a fun project.
Thanks in advance,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul 30 13:38:33 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:38:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
Message-ID: <20100730.133918.989.268101@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>

 Hi Joe.
Was it this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that 
> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling 
> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. 
> Can anyone help me out.
> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a 
> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a 
> fun project.
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." 
> Spike Milligan
____________________________________________________________
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 17:22:52 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <20100730.133918.989.268101@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set of trucks and hope to imitate it.
Thanks,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:


From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM


Hi Joe.
Was it this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that 
> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling 
> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. 
> Can anyone help me out.
> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a 
> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a 
> fun project.
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." 
> Spike Milligan
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 31 06:36:52 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:36:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32A1AA04-1D47-477B-9651-CD7DD6B325D0@me.com>

Hi Joe, You will have much trouble attempting "to imitate it.I Why not  
just try to make one like it?
	Dave

On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:

> YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set  
> of trucks and hope to imitate it.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."  
> Spike Milligan
>
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
> Hi Joe.
> Was it this?
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that
>> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling
>> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him.
>> Can anyone help me out.
>> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a
>> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a
>> fun project.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."
>> Spike Milligan
> ____________________________________________________________
> LCD 42" TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
> Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c53387f3dfdb4bc8a4st06vuc
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 12:18:25 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <32A1AA04-1D47-477B-9651-CD7DD6B325D0@me.com>
Message-ID: <630149.93989.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I didn't ask if Joe was a shape shifter because I just knew you would have input here, Dave.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/31/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 9:36 AM


Hi Joe, You will have much trouble attempting "to imitate it.I Why not? 
just try to make one like it?
??? Dave

On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:

> YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set? 
> of trucks and hope to imitate it.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."? 
> Spike Milligan
>
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
> Hi Joe.
> Was it this?
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that
>> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling
>> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him.
>> Can anyone help me out.
>> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a
>> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a
>> fun project.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."
>> Spike Milligan
> ____________________________________________________________
> LCD 42" TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
> Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Jul  1 03:08:36 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:08:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <COL106-W245C920082451F0133C3C0B4CD0@phx.gbl>


Hi all, are any list members going to the Denton NC show ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470


 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 04:27:36 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 07:27:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <a840b.113b41ee.395dd5a8@aol.com>

I will be there on Friday arriving around 9:30.  Probably be parked up  the 
road a short walk from Starbolt, just before you start up the hill headed,  
towards the bathrooms. Dark blue Chev extended cab with 1/2 hp New Holland  
engine sitting on the tail gate.   

Hope to see you there.
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul  1 05:41:05 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:41:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W245C920082451F0133C3C0B4CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F0E7C7506F3F4758A5D610469386897A@D2JYVHJ1>

I'm here now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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skinner
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:09 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show


Hi all, are any list members going to the Denton NC show ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470


 		 	   		  
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Thu Jul  1 08:05:10 2010
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:05:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
In-Reply-To: <C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>

Here's one to get you started:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wgrenning#p/u/25/Zs56Cii3kdg
______________________
Michael Tucker
oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul  1 14:29:59 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:29:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net><SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl><4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com><28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net><C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
	<4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

We were there on our EHOWT last year and that is our tourguide/director of 
all the engines/museum.  He let me and Harry actually start 2 of those 
engines.  A great memory and what a thrill!!!  Best trip ever!!!

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Tucker" <oldironnut at windstream.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos


> Here's one to get you started:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wgrenning#p/u/25/Zs56Cii3kdg
> ______________________
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> oldironnut at windstream.net
> Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 14:55:33 2010
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Manitoba engine
Message-ID: <9A06E9AB62C44A30BEFAE3A6D31C903F@VALUED3253602F>

Hi, a friend of mine just purchased an 8 horse Manitoba . I'm just trying to
help him find any information on it.Is it a knock-off of an American engine?
Is there a Registry that he can go to? Any information would help. Thanks,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jul  1 14:58:18 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:58:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos
In-Reply-To: <002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net><SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl><4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com><28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net><C3630E89-7D49-4B4E-BDD5-B8C232EBFA79@herculesengines.com>
	<4BF16083-F990-49F9-AEC9-86EB352250BA@windstream.net>
	<002801cb1964$8eff4870$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3DD7FAC6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Mike,

Thanks for the plug!  Nothing definite yet, but I am planning on doing another tour next year.  Email me if you would be interested in going on the next tour.  Not sure which collections we would visit, but am sure that we would revisit some of the same places as the last tour, plus a few from the previous tour, and of course a few new places.

George

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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice collection of engine videos

We were there on our EHOWT last year and that is our tourguide/director of 
all the engines/museum.  He let me and Harry actually start 2 of those 
engines.  A great memory and what a thrill!!!  Best trip ever!!!

Mike Royster



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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 17:23:42 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <cdc9a.499ddb57.395e8b8e@aol.com>

Tommy can you take some photos?
Thanks 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:50:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'm here  now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be  near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to  show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul  1 18:33:39 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:33:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <cdc9a.499ddb57.395e8b8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D0DEE746F3D94C36B756AA82C6A27C80@D2JYVHJ1>

I'll try Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in free
but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have 50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
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BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:24 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show

Tommy can you take some photos?
Thanks 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:50:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'm here  now Frank.  I haven't set up yet but will this morning.  I'll
be  near Starbolts set up.  I've got a Model B Hagan engine here to
show.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 19:25:20 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:25:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>

Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type shows  
where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in this  
country. Sure sounds a lot like  Canandaigua NY or Mt  Pleasant IA shows. 
Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong  Coolspring ROCKS.  Have 
some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food  as good as the show?
Thanks 
KK
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The  wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train  and
other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"  show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned  by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jul  1 19:44:42 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>

I just found the site on Google Earth.
Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats 
farming!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

>
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
> what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
> builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice Moguls,
> a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
> etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
> the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The  wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train  and
> other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"  show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned  by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
> but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000 or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy  Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 20:00:19 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:00:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
Message-ID: <COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>


Hi Reg,  Arrive early next trip and I'll take you there, It;s just about as hot as Australia in mid summer with lots of people elbow to elbow but a good show to see. Steve


 
> From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> 
> I just found the site on Google Earth.
> Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
> Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
> If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats 
> farming!
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> >
> > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
> >
> > I'll try Kevin. Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> > There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
> > what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
> > builders south of the Mason Dixon line). Today I saw some nice Moguls,
> > a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
> > etc) and some other neat stuff. It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> > market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys. This is
> > the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me. The wife
> > likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
> > other attractions. Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
> > While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by a
> > gent named Brown Lauflin. I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
> > trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me. Exhibitors get in free
> > but for the general public its $14 each. They probably have 50,000 or
> > more come through during the show.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
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> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 16:56:10 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
In-Reply-To: <20100701002349.078639361@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

They run fine here, Mark.
Send yours to me.
Maybe mine will teach yours how to run.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 8:23 PM



That seems to be the case here lately.???Mark



At 05:42 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark, The TWINS fail to run no matter what coils they have (or do
>not have) in them!
>? ? ? ???Dave
>
>On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has a report on the new coils being
> > sold by Zach N out in Iowa. How are they working out????Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 County Road 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com
> >
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USA

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 17:24:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>
Message-ID: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
They just come for the flea market.
Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or dancing areas.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:

From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM

Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type shows? 
where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in this? 
country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA shows. 
Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring ROCKS.? Have 
some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the show?
Thanks 
KK
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line of
what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice Moguls,
a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The? wife
likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train? and
other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"? show.
While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned? by a
gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000 or
more come through during the show.

Tommy? Turner
Magnolia, KY

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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jul  2 18:41:22 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:41:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <511849.33987.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F3B67E8A-AF54-4A44-8935-2AA51B7DEE23@me.com>

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
	Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or  
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type  
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in  
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like  Canandaigua NY or Mt  Pleasant IA  
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong  Coolspring  
> ROCKS.  Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food  as good as the  
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try  Kevin.  Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is  a lot of great engines here but they are more along the  
> line of
> what was  used in the southern US (remember, there were very few  
> engine
> builders  south of the Mason Dixon line).  Today I saw some nice  
> Moguls,
> a nice  Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan  
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and  some other neat stuff.  It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market  areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.  This is
> the  only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.  The   
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train   
> and
> other attractions.  Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"   
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned   
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.  I know what it is when I'm hooking to  the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.  Exhibitors get in  free
> but for the general public its $14 each.  They probably have  50,000  
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy  Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 07:32:17 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 07:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <F3B67E8A-AF54-4A44-8935-2AA51B7DEE23@me.com>
Message-ID: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yup, The point is THEY COME IN!!!!!
They pay to come in.
That gives us the funds to pour the concrete to set our nearly half million pounds of Snow engine on.
Let them have the flea market.
My display is swamped during the show.
This year I will take some stakes and rope so I can rope off the corn sheller in case of rain.
Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy with shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 9:41 PM

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
??? Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or? 
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type? 
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in? 
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA? 
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring? 
> ROCKS.? Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the? 
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the? 
> line of
> what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few? 
> engine
> builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice? 
> Moguls,
> a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan? 
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
> the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The???
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train???
> and
> other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"???
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned???
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
> but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000? 
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy? Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Jul  3 08:19:08 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 11:19:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
Message-ID: <b68b9.1cc33766.3960aeec@aol.com>

Steve,
 
Went to Denton on Friday and the weather was unusually great, cool 80  
degrees, no dust due to a rain on Tuesday.  Tommy Turner had his Hagan  there 
running and what a great engine to see.  What I did not understand  about it 
was the small bar magnets on the front axle.  Must have set up  some kind of 
magnetic field to help control the gas chain feed mechanism!
 
All in all an absolutely fantastic day at Denton  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 08:44:10 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <974243.89747.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OOPS, I meant to write,,,

Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy without shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 10:32 AM

Yup, The point is THEY COME IN!!!!!
They pay to come in.
That gives us the funds to pour the concrete to set our nearly half million pounds of Snow engine on.
Let them have the flea market.
My display is swamped during the show.
This year I will take some stakes and rope so I can rope off the corn sheller in case of rain.
Then I could still let folks in under my 18X30 canopy with shutting down the engine so they don't get tangled up in the belt.

Alan

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 9:41 PM

Sounds like a REAL GREAT engine show Alan!
??? Dave

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Alan wrote:

> That is one thing we love about our Buckley show.
> We get thousands of folks that never look at the engines.
> They just come for the flea market.
> Some folks even come in during the evening just for the music or? 
> dancing areas.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> Tommy Thank You. Now for what you have said I plain like family type? 
> shows
> where everyone is involved (family). We need more of these venues in? 
> this
> country. Sure sounds a lot like? Canandaigua NY or Mt? Pleasant IA? 
> shows.
> Lots to do other that engines. Don't get me wrong? Coolspring? 
> ROCKS.? Have
> some fun and enjoy your weekend. Oh PS is the food? as good as the? 
> show?
> Thanks
> KK
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:40:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
> I'll try? Kevin.? Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
> There is? a lot of great engines here but they are more along the? 
> line of
> what was? used in the southern US (remember, there were very few? 
> engine
> builders? south of the Mason Dixon line).? Today I saw some nice? 
> Moguls,
> a nice? Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan? 
> Sideshafts,
> etc) and? some other neat stuff.? It's a big show, has a lot of flea
> market? areas and has some other interests the family enjoys.? This is
> the? only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me.? The???
> wife
> likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train???
> and
> other attractions.? Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial"???
> show.
> While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned???
> by a
> gent named Brown Lauflin.? I know what it is when I'm hooking to? the
> trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me.? Exhibitors get in? free
> but for the general public its $14 each.? They probably have? 50,000? 
> or
> more come through during the show.
>
> Tommy? Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 09:25:27 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <350653.51457.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <126572.9145.qm@web111724.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks,

Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
That is what I am looking for.

This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.

I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.

Alan in Michigan



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Jul  3 10:29:56 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:29:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
In-Reply-To: <309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100701002349.078639361@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<309874.37333.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100703172953.92CD893D6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Alan,
  Sounds like a plan. Some times I want to ship them all off to some 
far away land.   Mark


At 07:56 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>They run fine here, Mark.
>Send yours to me.
>Maybe mine will teach yours how to run.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Twin Coils
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 8:23 PM
>
>
>
>That seems to be the case here lately.   Mark
>
>
>
>At 05:42 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote:
> >Hi Mark, The TWINS fail to run no matter what coils they have (or do
> >not have) in them!
> >         Dave
> >
> >On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has a report on the new coils being
> > > sold by Zach N out in Iowa. How are they working out?   Mark
> > >



Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  3 10:59:33 2010
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
Message-ID: <27450797.1278179973119.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Get ahold of Wayne Walker Alan, he has hundreds of them in all sizes.  kcjunior at bluevalley.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
>
>Howdy Folks,
>
>Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
>This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
>The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
>That is what I am looking for.
>
>This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.
>
>I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 12:29:33 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:29:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <126572.9145.qm@web111724.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1997273342.6277961278185373058.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Alan,
I have the following pulleys:

1 1/4" bore x 8" dia x 3 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 7" dia x 2 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 8" dia x 4 1/2" wide
1 1/4" bore x 6" dia x 3 1/2" wide

Contact me off list or give me a call on my cell: 815-238-7316
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2010 11:25:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley

Howdy Folks,

Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
That is what I am looking for.

This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.

I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.

Alan in Michigan

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 15:12:19 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:12:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <1997273342.6277961278185373058.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEILCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

Today, I finished converting The Homebrew Hvid engine back
to Hvid from the spark ignition naphtha fueled version I
tried.

I found that the Hvid didn't make enough power to run The
2009 Algore Edition Green Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell and the clag
boogers from the exhaust got all over everything.  I
converted it to spark ignition but it was still a bit on the
wimpy side although it really ran sweet.

Because I now have The McVickerish Engine on the tractor,
I've made a cart ("trolley" for the Aussies and Brits out
there) and a radiator for display.  See my web page for the
story and photos.

Now, with The Homebrew Hvid, I can go to shows and really
stink up the area - just like the Maytag guys do.  Maybe I
can locate close to some Maytags and mingle my black smoke
with their white smoke and irritating sound to create a
REALLY annoying area.    :-)

Science is always working for you at Hoyt Clagwell &
Company.

Oops, didn't mean to offend the Maytag Motor guys and gals.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 15:40:09 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 15:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEILCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <113235.19496.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 6:12 PM

Gang:

Today, I finished converting The Homebrew Hvid engine back
to Hvid from the spark ignition naphtha fueled version I
tried.

I found that the Hvid didn't make enough power to run The
2009 Algore Edition Green Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell and the clag
boogers from the exhaust got all over everything.? I
converted it to spark ignition but it was still a bit on the
wimpy side although it really ran sweet.

Because I now have The McVickerish Engine on the tractor,
I've made a cart ("trolley" for the Aussies and Brits out
there) and a radiator for display.? See my web page for the
story and photos.

Now, with The Homebrew Hvid, I can go to shows and really
stink up the area - just like the Maytag guys do.? Maybe I
can locate close to some Maytags and mingle my black smoke
with their white smoke and irritating sound to create a
REALLY annoying area.? ? :-)

Science is always working for you at Hoyt Clagwell &
Company.

Oops, didn't mean to offend the Maytag Motor guys and gals.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jul  3 16:06:09 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 19:06:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <113235.19496.qm@web111708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHOEIMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.  You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.  Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 16:34:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHOEIMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <444924.3308.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This puter is so screwed up I can't even sign in to youtube.
I did watch your videos though.
I need to find someone local that will record a video of my engine running and put it on youtube for me.
I have seen pictures of a lot of old toys today but not one picture of an engine like mine.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:06 PM

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.? You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.? Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 16:35:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
In-Reply-To: <27450797.1278179973119.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <207653.1634.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Tim,
I sent him an email.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] I need a pulley
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:59 PM

Get ahold of Wayne Walker Alan, he has hundreds of them in all sizes.? kcjunior at bluevalley.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] I need a pulley
>
>Howdy Folks,
>
>Do any of you have an extra 1 1/4" bore, 12" diameter, flat belt pulley you are willing to sell?
>This is for my 2hp Jeager tagged Herc. S.
>The one on my 1 3/4hp Herc. S is 3 1/2" wide.
>That is what I am looking for.
>
>This year I have a second 2-hole sheller to run and the 12" pulley on my 1 3/4hp Herc. runs a sheller at the perfect speed.
>
>I was just looking for one on the Hit N Miss site and all they are offering is one 4X4 size.
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jul  3 23:48:18 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:48:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>
	<COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>

Thanks for the offer mate but, getting away for a month is hard enough. 
Grin.
Really looking forward to supping a beer on your veranda.
Will we have time to visit the oldies? (HA! That from ME!!)]
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show


>
> Hi Reg,  Arrive early next trip and I'll take you there, It;s just about 
> as hot as Australia in mid summer with lots of people elbow to elbow but a 
> good show to see. Steve
>
>
>
>> From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:44:42 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Denton Show
>>
>> I just found the site on Google Earth.
>> Nice looking place,eh. Great entrances.
>> Its great to be able to see these things even if you cannot attend.
>> If he has attendances like the numbers you quoted, well, it sure beats
>> farming!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold
>> Newcastle.NSW Australia
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> >
>> > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>> >
>> > I'll try Kevin. Denton isn't known as the "Coolspring of the South".
>> > There is a lot of great engines here but they are more along the line 
>> > of
>> > what was used in the southern US (remember, there were very few engine
>> > builders south of the Mason Dixon line). Today I saw some nice Moguls,
>> > a nice Stickney, some very nice IH engines (Famous, 2 Titan Sideshafts,
>> > etc) and some other neat stuff. It's a big show, has a lot of flea
>> > market areas and has some other interests the family enjoys. This is
>> > the only show the wife and kids are able to attend with me. The wife
>> > likes the country music shows they have and my kids like the train and
>> > other attractions. Some criticize Denton as it is a "Commercial" show.
>> > While it has the name Southeastern Old Thrashers Reunion, its owned by 
>> > a
>> > gent named Brown Lauflin. I know what it is when I'm hooking to the
>> > trailer to come here so it doesn't bother me. Exhibitors get in free
>> > but for the general public its $14 each. They probably have 50,000 or
>> > more come through during the show.
>> >
>> > Tommy Turner
>> > Magnolia, KY
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul  4 06:11:19 2010
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:11:19 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...
Message-ID: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Happy 4th of July Yanks - as for the rest of us where this day is just
another and nearly gone at that... hope you enjoyed your Sunday. I did.

Paul



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  4 06:29:48 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:29:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...
In-Reply-To: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

I'm gonna take the mighty Hoyt-Clagwell 54/75 to DeFuniak
Springs (FL) today to participate in the Tea Party's part of
their 4th of July parade.

Waving "Old Glory" and all that!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
pjp08 at steamengine.com.au
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] May the 4th be with you...


Happy 4th of July Yanks - as for the rest of us where this
day is just
another and nearly gone at that... hope you enjoyed your
Sunday. I did.

Paul



From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Jul  4 07:31:00 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 07:31:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
References: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>

Those on the west coast need to come to the Gardnerville NV show on August 
20th and 21st. 5 of us are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and running. Should be quite a sight.

Dave E in Nevada 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 07:47:02 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:47:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
Message-ID: <1a0f8.1a66739a.3961f8e6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/4/2010 10:40:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

5 of us  are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and  running. 


That would be a great site to see!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jul  4 13:45:52 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 13:45:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <20100704.134630.962.284813@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>









Great photos of the Mesta Machine Company circa 1910-1920.  They made
some huge engines and steel mill rolling equipment.



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jul  5 04:50:28 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:50:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] many thanks
In-Reply-To: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.
	com.au>
References: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Hi to all, Just settling back into work again after a couple of weeks 
in the USA and 1 week in Qld (Aust) Just wanted to say a very big 
thanks to all our American friends who spent the time to make Dad's 
and my trip one to remember. Coolspring show was something else. I 
recomemnd it to anyone who has the opportunity to make it. Had fun 
driving on the WRONG side of the road again. Didn't upset anyone 
either. It's a long way to go and the stop start of the airports is 
no fun but when it's all said and done; worth every cent. Looking 
forward to being part of this great group of guys for many years to come.

thanks again FRIENDS'
regards Russell Gilbert

btw: shit it's cold back here at home.




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 05:32:05 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:32:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/2010 4:51:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Great  photos of the Mesta Machine Company circa 1910-1920
 
Nice old historic photographs.  No nc/cnc machines back then.   Just highly 
skilled machinists who knew their trade, how to use manual machines  and 
manual inspection equipment to turn out a precision product.  Skills  long 
gone by the wayside
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 05:39:21 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:39:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] many thanks
In-Reply-To: <20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <2469.218.214.134.238.1278249079.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
	<20100705114953.77736338116@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BB01C031-E00D-41D3-AD5A-BF31EB4B98AC@me.com>

It was fun having you and your dad here Russ. I don't care what anyone  
says about their love of old iron, it's meeting and getting to know  
those who profess such a love that is at the heart of this hobby!
	Dave
PS, Only got up to 88 here yesterday. Will get to 92 today and then  
they say it will start to warm up!

On Jul 5, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hi to all, Just settling back into work again after a couple of weeks
> in the USA and 1 week in Qld (Aust) Just wanted to say a very big
> thanks to all our American friends who spent the time to make Dad's
> and my trip one to remember. Coolspring show was something else. I
> recomemnd it to anyone who has the opportunity to make it. Had fun
> driving on the WRONG side of the road again. Didn't upset anyone
> either. It's a long way to go and the stop start of the airports is
> no fun but when it's all said and done; worth every cent. Looking
> forward to being part of this great group of guys for many years to  
> come.
>
> thanks again FRIENDS'
> regards Russell Gilbert
>
> btw: shit it's cold back here at home.
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 06:35:42 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 09:35:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
Message-ID: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg) 
 
 
Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.  
Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 Grain  Style 
872 oval.
 
I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.  
But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it 
was used for.  Anybody have any information?  

Thanks,
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Jul  5 07:03:48 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:03:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C31E644.3060102@coastalnet.com>

Found in google books:

"A ring traveler is a small metal ring or loop used to guide the yarn or 
thread in winding it upon the spindle.

Ring travelers are used in all ring spinning, which is done on ring 
frames. A ring frame is a spinning machine with vertical spindles, now 
extensively used, in which the winding of each thread is governed by 
passing through the eye or circle of a small steel loop, called a ring 
traveler, one of which revolves around each spindle in an annular way 
called the ring. These rings are supported by a horizontal bar, which 
moves up and down in such a manner as to give a shape to the cap on the 
spindle, that adapts it for use in a shuttle. The ring frame is also 
called ring-throstle, ring-throstle-frame, ring- and travelerspinner and 
ring spinner.

A ring traveler is made out of one piece of solid steel. It may be 
divided into three component parts, for purposes of reference to 
varieties in shape and size."

Ken





Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg) 
>  
>  
> Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.  
> Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 Grain  Style 
> 872 oval.
>  
> I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.  
> But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it 
> was used for.  Anybody have any information?  
>
> Thanks,
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 07:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>



Looks like some type of curtain hook. I remember some of those older 
curtain holder mechanisms that had pull ropes that opened and closed 
the curtains like theater curtains but meant for a house had hooks 
that looked like that. Those open and close mechanisms which the 
curtains hung on might have been the traveler.  I am pretty sure 
thats what they were called.   Mark


At 09:35 AM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg)
>
>
>Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.
>Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2 
>Grain  Style
>872 oval.
>
>I can find information on the company, and ring traveler  manufactures.
>But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used, or what it
>was used for.  Anybody have any information?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 07:43:56 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:43:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ring traveler help
In-Reply-To: <20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <8b35c.c56b0b5.396339ae@aol.com>
	<20100705142201.7F569935C@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <7DC87F87-55D3-4827-A661-58F33149CF0B@me.com>

Hell, I've not seen anything like that since my S&M days!
	Dave

On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Looks like some type of curtain hook. I remember some of those older
> curtain holder mechanisms that had pull ropes that opened and closed
> the curtains like theater curtains but meant for a house had hooks
> that looked like that. Those open and close mechanisms which the
> curtains hung on might have been the traveler.  I am pretty sure
> thats what they were called.   Mark
>
>
> At 09:35 AM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg_
>> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/ring%20traveler.jpg)
>>
>>
>> Found in a box of auction stuff.  Envelope full of clips as  shown.
>> Envelope says U. S. Ring traveler Co. Providence R.I.  Size 2  1/2
>> Grain  Style
>> 872 oval.
>>
>> I can find information on the company, and ring traveler   
>> manufactures.
>> But I cannot find out what a "ring traveler" is, how it was  used,  
>> or what it
>> was used for.  Anybody have any information?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 10:39:07 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <444924.3308.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <675279.25158.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Elden and Folks.
Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy Electric Engine.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/

I sure hope the link works for ya.

Alan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:34 PM

This puter is so screwed up I can't even sign in to youtube.
I did watch your videos though.
I need to find someone local that will record a video of my engine running and put it on youtube for me.
I have seen pictures of a lot of old toys today but not one picture of an engine like mine.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/3/10, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Elden <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:06 PM

Alan:

I don't have any originals but I have built a few.? You can
see 'em in action on my YouTube videos.? Just go to YouTube
and do a search for "Enginecoot".

I did have a copy of that Sears catalog but, when we moved,
it got a new home.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden,
Right up your alley,,,,
Do you have any Electric Engines?

Do you happen to have a copy of the 1908 Sears, Roebuck
Catalogue?
On page 208 in the upper left corner is a Toy Electric
Engine with Battery for?? $1.25
It made me think of you the first time I saw it.
It was setting on a table at a swap meet and I bought it.
Not the book,,,,
The real engine,.? 8>))

Alan in Michigan

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jul  5 11:06:43 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:06:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100705195410.0212dcd8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Thanks to a collector in Germany I've added a "Dating" list for 
Deutz engines to my manual download page.

         It goes from 1864 (establishment of N.A.Otto & Co. as the first 
engine factory in the world) to 1947 and is in German but quite easy to 
understand.

         For those who may be interested it is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>

         It's a .pdf file but very small (22 Kbytes).


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 11:08:19 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:08:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
Message-ID: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>



Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was 
its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the 
tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not 
know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in 
Rathbones book . Any ideas?
Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206






From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  5 12:53:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <675279.25158.qm@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHMEJJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Neat stuff!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Alan
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid


Hi Elden and Folks.
Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my
1908 Toy Electric Engine.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/

I sure hope the link works for ya.

Alan



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  5 13:03:38 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 16:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
In-Reply-To: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>
References: <4b41a.52948faf.39632ac5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2d99024bb8cb31bd0a4780ce73f952f7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

My dad (a machinist) used to say that was the difference between a machinist and a
machine operator.  You could give the machinist a part to make and the oldest, most
worn out machine in the shop, and he'd turn out the part that was needed.  I fear
those skills are being lost in today's computer-operated world.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, July 5, 2010 8:32 am, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> Nice old historic photographs.  No nc/cnc machines back then.   Just highly
> skilled machinists who knew their trade, how to use manual machines  and
> manual inspection equipment to turn out a precision product.  Skills  long
> gone by the wayside





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 14:17:29 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:17:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
Message-ID: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>

Arnie,
 
My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff 
manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and  Wilcox 
(nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot 
of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new  
fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a  lot 
for the old ones long gone.
 
94 here and going to be hotter as the week goes on.    
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  5 15:16:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>

Hi Mark,
	To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to  
put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of  
said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
	Dave

On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
> its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
> know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> Mark
>
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
> USA
> 419.358.5206


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Jul  5 16:33:27 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:33:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>,
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W62D30EEF76B4C9481024ABB4B10@phx.gbl>


The "Funnel" was used on the Titanic also, didnt help tho 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:16:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Funnel
> 
> Hi Mark,
> To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to 
> put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of 
> said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered 7926 T What was
> > its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> > tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books. But I do not
> > know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> > Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Mark & Christine Shulaw
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
> > USA
> > 419.358.5206
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul  5 17:04:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 20:04:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
In-Reply-To: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
References: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a65cc58bfe3b9c633ad7012b709f1e8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Every machinist I know is a life-long-learner.  I vividly remember times when my dad
would come home from work eager to talk about some tip he picked up from another
machinist or some clever setup he figured out for a project.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, July 5, 2010 5:17 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff
> manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and  Wilcox
> (nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot
> of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new
> fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a  lot
> for the old ones long gone.




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jul  5 17:06:42 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:06:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images
References: <a7995.2501899b.3963a5e9@aol.com>
	<a65cc58bfe3b9c633ad7012b709f1e8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43524B2B23E5407595C1AB1983B98D54@regpc>

I know I am still learning at my advanced age!
Aint only machining either!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] you might enjoy these old images


> Tom,
>
> Every machinist I know is a life-long-learner.  I vividly remember times 
> when my dad
> would come home from work eager to talk about some tip he picked up from 
> another
> machinist or some clever setup he figured out for a project.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, July 5, 2010 5:17 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> My son is a machinist too.  He worked in job shops and had to make  stuff
>> manually on what ever machine they had.  He works now for Babcock and 
>> Wilcox
>> (nuclear components) in their tooling department.  Still has to do a  lot
>> of manual machine work, figure how to repair stuff, as well as make new
>> fixtures, etc.  He is a good practical machinist but could still learn a 
>> lot
>> for the old ones long gone.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 19:15:46 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:15:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A couple of toys out of storage
Message-ID: <C858CEF2.5144%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

On a trip to the country on the weekend to pick up some stuff for the baby,
I also brought a couple of my engines out of storage. The Buzacott 4K has
not been out for about 6 years and the Monitor has been away for nearly 10.
The Buzacott needs the magneto replacing with the correct ML and the Monitor
just needs a general going over (I have taken the Dixie off for safety while
transporting the engine).
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul  5 19:42:14 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:42:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
Message-ID: <20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>



Good one Dave, Yah got me, GRINN,  I have been informed that its for 
a 8-16 IHC tractor.      Mark



At 06:16 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>         To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was used to
>put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of
>said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
>         Dave
>
>On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
> > its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of the
> > tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
> > know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
> > Rathbones book . Any ideas?
> > Mark
> >
> >


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 21:47:28 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 04:47:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
Message-ID: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>



I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys Engine ads.  I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads.  Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers.  I have tried resizing the pictures and it did not help.  I tried multiple times and I can get only one picture per ad.  Thanks in advance.

 

Ed Herreid
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jul  5 21:59:38 2010
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:59:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
References: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>

I believe you need to be a paying member to post more than one picture. I'm 
sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I have been a member to long to 
remember what it was like before I joined

Roger DiRuscio RDC-PRO, REO-PRO, GRI.
REO Specialist. Equator Certified REO, Short sale.
R.E. Realty Experts Broker Associate
Fremont, Ca 94539    DRE #615513
510-676-3122 cell
510-226-2414 ofc message line
Ham radio KG6QKZ
Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Herreid" <bigtime64 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "slick willy list" 
<slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help


>
>
> I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys 
> Engine ads.  I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads. 
> Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers.  I have tried 
> resizing the pictures and it did not help.  I tried multiple times and I 
> can get only one picture per ad.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Ed Herreid
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Jul  6 03:39:44 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 06:39:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC Funnel
In-Reply-To: <20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100705180815.EB9469366@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<DF2FE528-7BD0-467A-AD29-B1E8C7C39BF0@me.com>
	<20100706024210.B87D0933A@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <C7DA3A1D-164A-4219-9BFD-4B433FC00685@me.com>

Just trying to be of some help Mark!
	Dave
PS, Looking forward to Findlay! See you then!

On Jul 5, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

>
>
> Good one Dave, Yah got me, GRINN,  I have been informed that its for
> a 8-16 IHC tractor.      Mark
>
>
>
> At 06:16 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>        To the best of my knowledge the funnel (part # 7926 T) was  
>> used to
>> put some sort of fluid into a small opening that, without the use of
>> said funnel, would surly spill the fluid all over the place!
>>        Dave
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with a IHC funnel part numbered  7926 T  What was
>>> its proper application? I know the gas engine and I think some of  
>>> the
>>> tractor funnels were numbered G-8413 in the books.   But I do not
>>> know of this funnel and the only reference I can find on it is in
>>> Rathbones book . Any ideas?
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 08:49:20 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:49:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
In-Reply-To: <93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>
References: <COL115-W54129E5F877279822730D0B4B20@phx.gbl>,
	<93B6440C6E8142EEB0FE21AE0900A83E@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <COL115-W43C0EAD38703B649C31FA4B4B20@phx.gbl>


Thanks for the answer. I did not catch that in the instructions.  This is the first time trying to sell there.  

 

Ed

 
> From: solarrog at pacbell.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:59:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ads help
> 
> I believe you need to be a paying member to post more than one picture. I'm 
> sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I have been a member to long to 
> remember what it was like before I joined
> 
> Roger DiRuscio RDC-PRO, REO-PRO, GRI.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Herreid" <bigtime64 at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "slick willy list" 
> <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:47 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Engine ads help
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > I am attempting to post some engines for sale for a friend on Harrys 
> > Engine ads. I am having trouble posting multiple photos on the ads. 
> > Anyone an experienced advertiser can give me some pointers. I have tried 
> > resizing the pictures and it did not help. I tried multiple times and I 
> > can get only one picture per ad. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Herreid
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul  6 09:35:06 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:35:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals
In-Reply-To: <4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHAEJACAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<4498976766C9452D9C66DAE0544F4322@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3DEB61C5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Dave, 

Wish you guys weren't so far away and also the same weekend as a closer show.  Would like to see the show at the new location, but I skipped the Tillamook show the last couple of years and need to go there this year.

Also it seems that I have a problem of not having enough vacation days each year.  Can't quite afford to retire and still be able to do all the stuff I'd like to do.

Hope to see you at one of the shows or swap meets this year.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:31 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Verticals

Those on the west coast need to come to the Gardnerville NV show on August 
20th and 21st. 5 of us are going to display at least 12 Fairbanks verticals 
all in a row and running. Should be quite a sight.

Dave E in Nevada 

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul  6 10:38:26 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:38:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1278432003.26480.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100706193338.024ecea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 06/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
><snip>
>Hi Elden and Folks.
>Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy 
>Electric Engine.
>http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/
>
>I sure hope the link works for ya.
>
>Alan

Hi Alan,
         Isn't that a solenoid engine? I know nothing about them but seem 
to remember Reg writing about one he built quite some time ago.




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 14:36:31 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100706193338.024ecea0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <780073.10269.qm@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The word solenoid does not appear in the ad.
Those are magnets according to the ad.? 8>))
The company that sold it in 1908 called it an Electric Engine so that is what it is as far as I am concerned.? 8>)))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:38 PM

At 06:00 PM 06/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on The Homebrew Hvid
><snip>
>Hi Elden and Folks.
>Here is a link to my Photobucket Toys page with pix of my 1908 Toy 
>Electric Engine.
>http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Toys/
>
>I sure hope the link works for ya.
>
>Alan

Hi Alan,
? ? ? ???Isn't that a solenoid engine? I know nothing about them but seem 
to remember Reg writing about one he built quite some time ago.




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>? 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jul  7 07:38:05 2010
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:38:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a Valspar 
clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.

  I believe it may have been for a marine application.

  Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product

RickinMt. 



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 09:01:15 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:01:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilYTFxVfEroVQqVo-0WB5eTAWQboUTQS1pRngwg@mail.gmail.com>

I have used valspar as well as other spar varnishes. If your paint store
doesn't carry it, try a marine supply or boat store. They still make it, but
I'm not sure if it still has they old, tough, long lasting formula.

Paul in California - near the water

PS: The Smith Company in Richmond California has some epoxy coatings that
are tough as nails. They discontinued a deck coating that costs - for a two
gallon set - about $700.00. They didn't sell much.


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 12:55:43 2010
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:55:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Denton Show
In-Reply-To: <457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>
References: <c2d3d.5dcc22c0.395ea810@aol.com>, ,
	<7E51E10638B548FEA08FE3B868A17818@regpc>,
	<COL112-W421659C6B69746D6D02FF595CE0@phx.gbl>,
	<457FA9FE66894355A791EAD846869A31@regpc>
Message-ID: <COL112-W18BFBE9280FC150A20983E95B30@phx.gbl>


The oldies are looking forward to a visit from you!    and the youngies!   Steve
 .
> Will we have time to visit the oldies? (HA! That from ME!!)]
> 
 		 	   		  
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul  7 14:04:54 2010
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:04:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <cff42e4e58f51abf9a38a68b602678b0.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> G'day all;
>   Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a
> Valspar
> clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.
>
>   I believe it may have been for a marine application.
>
>   Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product

Rick,
Add some light??? Now you want it to glow in the dark?
Curt Holland
P.S. Sorry I couldn't resist that! :-)






From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul  7 14:44:29 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:44:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bulletproof clear wood finish
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds2138BEEECE06EFD7CF1C80BBB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDC466B8-E726-4B60-8E42-CBA169E95CC8@me.com>

Try
  http://www.google.com/products?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Valspar+clear+matte+finish&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=m_Q0TKbCCsGC8gblnIi_Aw&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CD0QrQQwCg 
     and
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Valspar+clear+matte+finish&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Ain't Google WONDERFUL!
	Dave

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Richard Strobel wrote:

> G'day all;
>  Several years ago on the Economy cart I used what I believe was a  
> Valspar
> clear matte finish.  I has held up well to the spills.
>
>  I believe it may have been for a marine application.
>
>  Appreciate if anyone can add some light to this product
>
> RickinMt.
>
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jul  7 15:26:17 2010
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:26:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] trying to contact Bill Dickerson
Message-ID: <E16EF55661CD40028E0B61B235E81EB3@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

I've been trying to contact Bill for a while now , but can't get any responce from either e-mail addresses, anyone got any ideas? is he ill or on vacation?


Thanks, Craig Morrison

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 19:18:03 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:18:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage. I had forgotten what a
soft spot I have for this engine which I have owned for about 25 years.
It came from a farm (which is no longer there) called 'Friendly Ridge'. We
were there picking up a couple of 100E Prefects that  my father had bought
as spares for our Prefect.
While the loading was taking place I spotted the top of a pair of flywheels
sitting in the middle of a paddock in the grass. I wandered over and found
the Buzacott sitting there. A deal was struck ($50 from memory) and we
loaded the engine and its shearing plant onto the trailer. I found the
original Lewis oiler and the crank handle inside the hopper. The engine was
in excellent condition given it had sat in the weather for many, many years.
The ML magneto was beyond repair so a Wico A was fitted. It has been rallied
for many years but at its last outing the Wico gave up the ghost. I now have
an original ML to go on the engine which means I can refit the gear guard
which would not fit with the Wico.
There is a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper where my
father & I have placed our hands cranking the engine.
The old girl deserves a little TLC to get it out rallying again.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul  8 05:00:07 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:00:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDEMJJLEBKKAMBICANCHIEKMCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Nice story.  Thanks for passing it along.

Reminds me of the story of my Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All
Trades.  I just figured it up and am shocked to realize that
I've had it for over 50 years!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul  8 07:19:51 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:19:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <5a3c1.5ce06a05.39673887@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I've had  it for over 50 years!


Were you 3 when you got it?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul  8 08:05:04 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:05:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B87CB4E9-3E70-410E-AAF5-426B35B1EBB9@me.com>

GOODS on ya Patrick!
	Dave

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage.
> There is a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper  
> where my
> father & I have placed our hands cranking the engine.
> The old girl deserves a little TLC to get it out rallying again.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG
>
> Patrick M Livingstone


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Thu Jul  8 17:04:03 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:04:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <C85B727B.517F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76374A0A77742E98CDC1124EBCDA01F@JBCooper>

Hi Patrick,
Reminds me of my first engine which I have had for 50 years, It is an OFG
Bagshaw 6 hp which is apparently the oldest one on record in Australia. I
also have a buzacott 4 hp similar to yours but with a Wico trip magneto.
Regards,
John Cooper,
Bega NSW.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


It is nice to have my old 4K Buzacott out of storage. I had forgotten what a
soft spot I have for this engine which I have owned for about 25 years. It
came from a farm (which is no longer there) called 'Friendly Ridge'. We were
there picking up a couple of 100E Prefects that  my father had bought as
spares for our Prefect. While the loading was taking place I spotted the top
of a pair of flywheels sitting in the middle of a paddock in the grass. I
wandered over and found the Buzacott sitting there. A deal was struck ($50
from memory) and we loaded the engine and its shearing plant onto the
trailer. I found the original Lewis oiler and the crank handle inside the
hopper. The engine was in excellent condition given it had sat in the
weather for many, many years. The ML magneto was beyond repair so a Wico A
was fitted. It has been rallied for many years but at its last outing the
Wico gave up the ghost. I now have an original ML to go on the engine which
means I can refit the gear guard which would not fit with the Wico. There is
a worn spot in the paint on the top corner of the hopper where my father & I
have placed our hands cranking the engine. The old girl deserves a little
TLC to get it out rallying again.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/DSCF4001.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  8 18:17:58 2010
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:17:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
Message-ID: <567850.1278638278883.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Jerry I have a 1960 Kramer 140 kls tractor and I need a oper. manual for it think you mite have one ???


-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>Sent: Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
>
>Hi All,
>         Thanks to a collector in Germany I've added a "Dating" list for 
>Deutz engines to my manual download page.
>
>         It goes from 1864 (establishment of N.A.Otto & Co. as the first 
>engine factory in the world) to 1947 and is in German but quite easy to 
>understand.
>
>         For those who may be interested it is here:
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>
>
>         It's a .pdf file but very small (22 Kbytes).
>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>
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Whittier, CA



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul  8 20:16:37 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 23:16:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <5a3c1.5ce06a05.39673887@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEAECAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tom:

No, I was about 16.  That makes me 68 and an old Geezer!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:20 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

I've had  it for over 50 years!


Were you 3 when you got it?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 04:53:56 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:53:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <bbb31.e8caab6.396867d4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 11:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

That  makes me 68 and an old Geezer!


Is 66 considered an old Geezer too?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul  9 05:23:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:23:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
In-Reply-To: <bbb31.e8caab6.396867d4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEAJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Yeah, 'ya Old Geezer!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:54 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott


 
In a message dated 7/8/2010 11:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

That  makes me 68 and an old Geezer!


Is 66 considered an old Geezer too?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 06:01:23 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:01:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The tale of the Buzacott
Message-ID: <6fd56.243ee0d2.396877a3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/9/2010 8:32:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Yeah,  'ya Old Geezer!


I had kind of figured that for a long time now!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul  9 09:57:51 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:57:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New "Manual" added
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1278691202.4725.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100709185455.02654e98@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:17:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>From: Gus <gibsongus at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New "Manual" added
>
>
>Jerry I have a 1960 Kramer 140 kls tractor and I need a oper. manual for 
>it think you mite have one ???


Sorry Gus,
         No such manual in my possession. Maybe other members can help ?


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 01:26:26 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:26:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>

We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
electrical power and charging its own battery set.

We had the control cabinet up and wired in this week, and apart from a
tweak to the output voltage and the addition of a 2-rate charge
arrangement, it is all finished.

The next job will be to make a 3-axle drawbar trailer, rear section to
carry the engine and front section will be a small motor-home type
section with beds, cooking and shower/toilet. That is at the very
early stages, but we already have most of the running gear on the
floor in the workshop. Body length 7metres or about 23feet if we go to
the maximum allowed size, excluding the drawbar and coupling.

We had a run yesterday with the revised cooling tank and the engine
running 1.5kW load:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics217.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics219.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics215.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics213.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics212.jpg

New fuel filter:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics199.jpg

Recalibrating one of the meters from 50A down to 30A by making a new shunt:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics197.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics198.jpg
(The old shunt is the one on the left-hand side)

New meter set and a duplicate set of the old type, main differences
are the scale lettering, and the 0-25V meter was changed to 0-30V, the
0-50A ammeter was changed to 0-30A:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics196.JPG

Checking the recalibrated 0-30V meter against a known standard:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics191.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics192.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics193.JPG
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics194.JPG

New anti-splash top for the cooling tank:
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics188.jpg

Running on load for the first time with no control cabinet, load is a
1.5kW radiant heater.
http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/RustonPics184.jpg

The whole saga is on the UK Stationary Engine Forum:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7229

You will need to register to see the images, and there are over 250 of
them in total.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Jul 11 04:04:30 2010
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:04:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Willie with dating an air cooled Austral?
Message-ID: <1425.218.214.134.238.1278846270.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>



---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Austral engine
From:    "Willie Young" <williewa at bigpond.net.au>
Date:    Sun, July 11, 2010 5:06 pm
To:      "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Paul
Years ago you were able to help me with some info in a Roseberry engine
One of the committee members at the Whiteman Park tractor museum has an
Austral air cooled 2.4 HP petrol engine made by Ronaldson and Tippett.
It is mounted on a bag elevator made by Horwood Bagshaw

The engine plate reads:
Austral Petrol Engine
Manufactired by Ronaldson and Tippett
2.4HP    Ser#  65262  Type N/A
1500RPM
Jim Creagh who lives in Gidgegannup would like to find out about it`s age etc
Can you help?

>From memory I think you told me That you lived in the Eastern Hills
somewhere
Willie Young

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 04:14:12 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:14:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Willie with dating an air cooled Austral?
In-Reply-To: <1425.218.214.134.238.1278846270.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <C85FE4A4.51F3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


My lists make No.65262 as being made in 1952.

On 11/7/10 9:04 PM, "pjp08 at steamengine.com.au" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
wrote:

> 
> 
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Austral engine
> From:    "Willie Young" <williewa at bigpond.net.au>
> Date:    Sun, July 11, 2010 5:06 pm
> To:      "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi Paul
> Years ago you were able to help me with some info in a Roseberry engine
> One of the committee members at the Whiteman Park tractor museum has an
> Austral air cooled 2.4 HP petrol engine made by Ronaldson and Tippett.
> It is mounted on a bag elevator made by Horwood Bagshaw
> 
> The engine plate reads:
> Austral Petrol Engine
> Manufactired by Ronaldson and Tippett
> 2.4HP    Ser#  65262  Type N/A
> 1500RPM
> Jim Creagh who lives in Gidgegannup would like to find out about it`s age etc
> Can you help?
> 
>> From memory I think you told me That you lived in the Eastern Hills
> somewhere
> Willie Young
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jul 12 07:24:44 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1364713115.542051278944684893.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>

Peter:

I see that you are a bit njerdy like me.  I love fiddling with meter movements, changing the scale, etc.  I think you'll be able to keep close track of how the genset is running.  I especially like the exhaust temperature gauge.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:26:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jul 12 07:27:20 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:27:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the embossed cylinder, but didn't want to tell anyone until I was able to actually have the engine in my possession.  I've seen too many engine deals fall apart at the last minute, buy the seller changing his mind or someone else offering more and seller going for the higher price.

My friend went along just to see if he could buy an engine too and we really didn't know what other engines were available to buy.

Having never been to the seller's place before I really didn't know which house on the street was his so we were basically driving down a street looking for a likely house with some clue that an engine collection resided there.  No problem.... drove past a house with the garage door open and big flywheel engine running!!  Got to be the right place!!

To keep this from being a long story, I'll just say we got my engine loaded up and my friend got a real nice 6hp Samson.  I would have loved to have gotten the Samson too, but after buying the Stover my wife would have divorced me if I had bought it too.  Plus there was the problem I didn't have enough to buy two nice engines at a time.

After loading the trailer in 100+ weather we headed back home.  We got a motel room just before 10pm and had gone 1000 miles, saw a nice collection of engines, and had two nice ones on the trailer!

Sunday morning we got up and only had another 500 miles to drive to get to my friends place to unload his Samson.  When we got to his place we hooked up a propane tank and fired up his new engine.  Runs real nice and slows down pretty good.  Only problem with the engine is a little wristpin noise, other than that it was in great shape.

When I got mine off the trailer at home I put some gas in the tank, primed it, and took right off!  Runs great although this one does look like it could use some new rings at the minimum as it slobbers gas/oil out the back of the clylinder.  Hopefully it isn't so bad it will need to be resleeved.

However, it does run good. Put some water in the cooling tank and the water pump works great.  It has a Wizard dynamo and I switched it over to the dynamo and it keeps running!  So I'm quite happy with my new engine.

I took some pictures last night but haven't had time to resize them and load them so they can be viewed.  I'll try to have them available tonight.

George




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From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 12 08:39:21 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:39:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 12, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am  
> and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal  
> deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the  
> embossed cylinder,

Aside from the Oregonian Pirate fleet swooping down from the north and  
pillaging our precious historical artifacts, that's a pretty good trip  
report, George.

Rob







From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jul 12 09:02:35 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Quick engine trip
In-Reply-To: <624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>
References: <dd440d08f86a4637949d051d2dcb7ff1.toadhill@aeroinc.net>
	<SNT131-w62800462D1458923BD65A5C2C90@phx.gbl>
	<4147F185-40D2-4FA1-9A6C-3E18B03D9322@herculesengines.com>
	<28AA2662-DB98-456C-B22F-6649013D0553@windstream.net>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0EFFCA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<624179DE-BE21-49A1-9E72-5376DDBFEB93@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F3E0F03FA@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Rob,

You've got us on the Samson.  A California engine that hadn't been out of the state until it crossed the border into Oregon on Sunday morning. ;-)

However, rumor has it that the Stover was in Oregon when a California collector got the engine and took it south, so I'm returning it to a state where it was previously.

Haven't had a chance to talk to the CA collector that originally took the engine to CA to see if he has any history on the engine.  I do have to admit that the Stover shipping records show that it originally was shipped to Nova Scotia so I do wonder how it got all the way to the west coast.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Quick engine trip


On Jul 12, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Got up at 3am on Saturday and picked up a collector friend at 4am  
> and we headed to California to get some engines!  I'd made a verbal  
> deal two weeks ago for a 1903 4hp tank cooled Stover with the  
> embossed cylinder,

Aside from the Oregonian Pirate fleet swooping down from the north and  
pillaging our precious historical artifacts, that's a pretty good trip  
report, George.

Rob





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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 15:04:49 2010
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:04:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
Message-ID: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Guys, 

    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .

Thanks, Craig

From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul 12 15:35:16 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:35:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, craig morrison wrote:

> Guys,
>
>    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell  
> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses  
> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>
> Thanks, Craig



I think this is his info:

William A Dickerson
9687 SE 48th Ave
Runnells, IA 50237
(515) 966-2190

bill at antique-engines.com 


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 12 15:52:33 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:52:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20100712225228.9D32D930A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Try him at his wifes quilting page I know he used to help her a lot 
with it and probably still does.   http://dickerson-design.com




At 06:04 PM 7/12/2010, you wrote:
>Guys,
>
>     I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell 
> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses 
> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>
>Thanks, Craig


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 05:12:16 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:12:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] need a possible ride / engine transportation
Message-ID: <SNT118-W205174829772EE524CB068C8B90@phx.gbl>


Does anyone live near Pottsville, PA or drive by there on their way to Portland, In in August?  Pottsville is between Allentown and Harrisbug.  The engine is a 1.5 hp IH M on a cart.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 		 	   		  
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 05:21:52 2010
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:21:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2008 Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <189f7.55bb9387.394ba2b6@aol.com>
References: <189f7.55bb9387.394ba2b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W1430A2E6462D6B8E3D4944C8B90@phx.gbl>


Hi Tom,
 
I'm going through some old email and didn't see a reply to your question. Yes, I think you are correct, that is where the gas is injected.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port08/MVC-502F.html


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


----------------------------------------
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:09:26 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2008 Show Pictures
>
> Luke,
>
> Some great photos of nice engines.
>
> Photo 502, Springfield, what is happening with the brass tube going into
> the vertical red pipe? Is that where gas is injected?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:37:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:37:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_URGENT_help_wanted_please_in_USA?=
Message-ID: <B246CE98538A4FFEA132128E259FF910@loungeroom>

Hi all
I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you nominate how much.

If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
I will go with the person who comes back to me.


Thanks guys

Peter, Australia

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:42:52 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:42:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ebay listing
Message-ID: <DB607CF5C7774FC68C2C9300186127A1@loungeroom>

Does anyone know this seller on Ebay "powellandhyde" 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230493781573

I want to get the serial number from this R&V engine, looking at their other itmes for sale, they have cornered the market in Maytags.

Peter, Oz

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 05:46:01 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] help wanted pleasefrom USA members
Message-ID: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>

I am sending this again to the ATIS List, I think it did not like to URGENT 
in the subject line and marked it as SPAM. It might not have reached 
everyone with Spam filters on.


 Hi all
 I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee 
for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

 I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their 
bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
 I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you 
nominate how much.

 If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will 
send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
 I will go with the person who comes back to me.


 Thanks guys

 Peter, Australia



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 13 11:59:49 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:59:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] help wanted pleasefrom USA members
In-Reply-To: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>
References: <60CCA786557842C8B473EF87B8D7C089@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <99825d4ed7362ba6c8ea0a1f460ea33d.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have paypal connected directly to my AMC FORUM checking account. It's
how we take donations, then pay the expenses............

Bill
(FINALLY back at a computer..........)


> I am sending this again to the ATIS List, I think it did not like to
> URGENT
> in the subject line and marked it as SPAM. It might not have reached
> everyone with Spam filters on.
>
>
>  Hi all
>  I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee
> for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP
>
>  I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their
> bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
>  I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you
> nominate how much.
>
>  If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will
> send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
>  I will go with the person who comes back to me.
>
>
>  Thanks guys
>
>  Peter, Australia
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jul 13 12:14:29 2010
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:14:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson
In-Reply-To: <DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>
References: <80767A450F3F4F1C8A0020EEC37619A0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<DB023100-814A-4234-B436-16719CDE73C0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <e869c28175425115f8a85ec9f119b159.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>


Yup - I've come up for a breath of air finally........ buried with projects.

I spoke directly with Curt Andree and we'll see how things progress if the
seller finally believes it's ok for me to get the engine.

Right now, my son has my truck. Long story, but he needed a second car
badly and so we bought him one, and on the way home, the engine blew.
So now, i've got a shop filled with cars with engines and complete
drive-trains out in various states. His is an emergency need...... (and
neither of us has the money, but I'm fixing it and he can pay me when he
can)
So he's got my truck until his car is fixed, but I could probably get my
truck back on Sundays when he doesn't have to work.

I dropped the WHOLE drivetrain out of my car in half a day - it took two
of us a full day to get just the engine out of his. I like bottom-out
better.

Luke's car:
http://theamcpages.com/images/luke-sx4/sx43.jpg

My car:
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-cleaning-5.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-engineout-14.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-jeep-engine-90.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/eagle-jeep-rockers-002.jpg
http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/sx4-engineout-4.jpg

Bill



>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, craig morrison wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>    I ugently need to contact Bill does anyone have a phone or cell
>> number for him as I can't get any responce via the E-mail addresses
>> that I have for him, maybe he has changed  E-mail address .
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
>
>
>
> I think this is his info:
>
> William A Dickerson
> 9687 SE 48th Ave
> Runnells, IA 50237
> (515) 966-2190
>
> bill at antique-engines.com
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>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jul 13 14:10:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:10:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] help wanted please from USA members thanks
Message-ID: <504338D628454DDC92AF279A803882E0@peterlowe>

Hi all
Arnie is my contact to transfer money, thanks to all those who have offered, you are a great bunch.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 15:30:29 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> URGENT help wanted please in USA
In-Reply-To: <B246CE98538A4FFEA132128E259FF910@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <964897.13062.qm@web111713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Where in Michigan?

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Spam> URGENT help wanted please in USA
To: "oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 8:37 AM

Hi all
I need to get $130US to Barry Tuller in Michigan for my registration fee for the R&V Expo at Mount Pleasant, IA., ASAP

I need someone with a PayPal account that can pull money back into their bank, then write a cheque for $130 to Barry.
I will add extra to this amount to allow for postage and bank fees, you nominate how much.

If someone can help, please send me your PayPal email address and I will send money immediately. Then I will email Barry's address.
I will go with the person who comes back to me.


Thanks guys

Peter, Australia
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 14 00:04:53 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:04:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
Message-ID: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>

Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say, "In 4 weeks, you will be 'over there'"
Which hit home to me.
I went looking through back pics of trips, (along with  pics from Dolly, taken when her offspring were a LOT smaller than they are now!)
It was a lot of years ago, I made my first 'Engine Trip' to the USA and Portland was the 'Special place' where I met up with some of the best folk on this planet.
I also accept the fact that at 74, this may well be MY last foray to the USA. (Dont sigh with relief just yet! Ya never know!!)
So, thinking  back on the great times I had with you all, (Sadly, the 'end of the perch' has removed a lot of our original members),
I think we should aim to make this year's event, a 'Catch up with old mates' event. (I am aware that the internet allows us to keep in contact but, it aint the same as a personal hug and handshake.)
Ok, each and every one of you has some thinking and planning to do.
I, ME, will be there and will be looking out for old mates! I sure want to see as many as I can. The friendships formed has made my life so much better in all respects.
See ya mates.
Reg
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 14 03:15:26 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:15:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
Message-ID: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>

Hi all 
Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping boucing back un-deliverable??

I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??


Hi Arnie

I just sent $140 green Yankee dollars to your PayPal account
fero_ah at city-net.com

Can you please send a cheque for $130 payable to Midwest Old Threshers to:

Barry Tuller
6544 Stevensville Baroda Road
Stevensville, MI  49127

Place a note telling Barry the money is for me and my son's R&V Expo fees at
Mount Pleasant.
Your a pal mate, my beer shout at Portland


Peter, Oz

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 14 08:34:22 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:34:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping  
> boucing back un-deliverable??
>
> I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??


Let's get this straight, Pete.  You wired a lot of money into a  
foreign bank account, and now the recipient has disappeared.  Please  
tell me you're not surprised.





From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 14 08:35:24 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:35:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <C107B70956F24F218013B305718FCEF2@regpc>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<C107B70956F24F218013B305718FCEF2@regpc>
Message-ID: <23E37022-5065-4F9F-8F49-982FD19A147B@rustyiron.com>

		
On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:
> Its been doing it for a long time on my sendings. Server offers no  
> clues!


And how much money did he get YOU for, mate?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 14 09:42:28 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:42:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<6130350F-9534-4062-A552-BA76669FEECB@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4c82806a6d1c26b50d3aef2ccd58c529.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

heh-heh-heh...  (evil laugh)

On Wed, July 14, 2010 11:34 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping
>> boucing back un-deliverable??
>>
>
> Let's get this straight, Pete.  You wired a lot of money into a
> foreign bank account, and now the recipient has disappeared.  Please
> tell me you're not surprised.
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 14 10:06:15 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:06:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
Message-ID: <eec37d383b698ec37a56e491c902d54b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bloody difficult Ozzies!

I keep telling you 'roo eaters that your emails hit my server upside-down, it
doesn't know what to do, so it bounces.

You NEED to turn YOUR computer upside-down BEFORE you hit send.  That'll fix it.
Kerry & Russell have figgered that out.  You can too.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, July 14, 2010 6:29 am, Reg Ingold wrote:
> Its been doing it for a long time on my sendings. Server offers no clues!
> Arnie needs to find a new, better, etc.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Peter Lowe
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:15 PM
>
>   Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping boucing back
>   un-deliverable??
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 14:10:55 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:10:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
In-Reply-To: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
References: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil1pvZMtvqhp66FeMk8jMn8A5QM1GOz20uTJDti@mail.gmail.com>

On 14 July 2010 08:04, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say, "In 4
> weeks, you will be 'over there'"
> Which hit home to me.

Hmmm, a little bit longer and so will we! :-))

Looking forward to seeing some friends again, missed last year's trip
a lot, just isn't the same without the trip!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 16 09:40:28 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:40:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL] test - No need to reply
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100716183516.00d83738@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Just testing,
	Our server installed new Spam filtering software yesterday and since then 
I've had no list mail. This is just a test to see if these come back to me.

	It could just be that the lists are very quiet but there are usually at 
least a few posts from Slick each day !!

	No need to reply unless you are also totally bored and missing list mail :-)

Keep well,
Jerry



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 16:54:55 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:54:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
Message-ID: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 16 17:07:58 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:07:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For 
the babies sake :-)


At 09:54 AM 17/07/2010, you wrote:
>Things are quiet here at the moment :(
>To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
>4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
>which engine should I take?
>I have narrowed it down to three choices;
>The 12hp R&V:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg
>
>The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg
>
>Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG
>
>I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
>year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
>will probably be my last rally before the baby.
>Thoughts?
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 16 19:57:41 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:57:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <F9D7F64C-02C6-464C-9453-E6C0A942E965@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For
> the babies sake :-)

Sounds to me like Patrick needs to buy a bigger trailer... for  
nappies, babas and binkies.

Rob





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 16 20:46:35 2010
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:46:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>

I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville

Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project
(the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and
Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 16 22:50:20 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:50:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <13722757-F9C4-4656-A19E-5847CADB4BCA@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


Hey, Tommy.  Just finished watching a tv show featuring your homeboy,  
Booker Noe.







From peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 01:59:28 2010
From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:59:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <C8672E6F.5291%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8CCF3A57F5EC45F-D7C-1594A@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>


Hey Patrick
get a bigger trailer and take the lot
Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete

Peter Woodmore




-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville


Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For 
he babies sake :-)

t 09:54 AM 17/07/2010, you wrote:
Things are quiet here at the moment :(
To spur things on I have a question. If I don't get my current project (the
4hp R Line R&V) finished in time for the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville,
which engine should I take?
I have narrowed it down to three choices;
The 12hp R&V:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/rvfeb7.jpg

The 3.5hp Austral Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/images/0906050025_JPG.jpg

Or the 5.5hp Buzacott:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can06/can06098.JPG

I thought of adding the 6hp Stover vertical throttler but I took it last
year. It will probably go to Sydney as it is a bit of a favourite and Sydney
will probably be my last rally before the baby.
Thoughts?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 00:23:39 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:23:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>

On 11 July 2010 09:26, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
> electrical power and charging its own battery set.

We did some running tests with the electrical load connected
yesterday, maximum temperature reached was 94 Deg C or 201 Deg F in
old money.

No problems with anything, the engine ran well for over an hour and
the alternator hardly got warm. The test load was 1.5kW, the engine is
11hp so hardly stretching itself!

There is a video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNfziTsKRc

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:16:38 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <4A8AA7F44ED74C769FBEE08ECA566732@regpc>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8AA7F44ED74C769FBEE08ECA566732@regpc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikivfhq0v5eq4_dRNMAshPxvc_sPHOuJYuNT86u@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 July 2010 08:26, Reg Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> So, wots that sad looking vehicle in front of it??
> Reg & Marg Ingold

That is Philip's Landy (Land Rover) Series III. He has just finished
replacing the front chassis dumb-irons and was refitting the wings and
radiator when the pictures and videos were taken.

He was out in it last evening, and is planning to go down to the
Mediterranean in his holiday fortnight next month.

It's a 2.5 n/a diesel now, but was a 2.25 petrol when he got it nearly
2 years ago, it has been stood in a barn in Essex for 12 years, still
had air in the tyres and he had it running within half an hour of
getting it home.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:50:28 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:50:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <20100717000758.AC6AC3041F1@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <C868FD74.52C4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

One of the engines will be earmarked for the baby (boy or girl). I don't
have the room for any more at the moment so it will be one of the existing
collection.
Patrick


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:57:48 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:57:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <F9D7F64C-02C6-464C-9453-E6C0A942E965@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C868FF2C.52C9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Next year it could be a travelling circus when we go to a rally: Engine, dog
& baby!


On 17/7/10 12:57 PM, "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> Sounds to me Patrick like you NEED to buy another engine......... For
>> the babies sake :-)
> 
> Sounds to me like Patrick needs to buy a bigger trailer... for
> nappies, babas and binkies.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:01:50 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <46287E1B43234CDAB5F79FE85FEE03B7@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <C869001E.52CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Tommy,
The Austral is a good engine to rally. It is a good size to transport in the
trailer and only weighs 1.25 tonne. It is the smallest of the early style
lampstart, portable, Australs. The only problem is has is that it is not
good in cold weather as it cools off and stops after an hour or so.


On 17/7/10 1:46 PM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> I'd go for the Austral.  I love a portable and those engines are neat.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:03:11 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <8CCF3A57F5EC45F-D7C-1594A@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C869006F.52CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
You are going to run out of room. You had better drop that little Blackstone
off to my place ;
If you need some parts, talk to Paul. He has been making bits for his 3hp.
Patrick


On 17/7/10 6:59 PM, "peterwoodmore at aol.com" <peterwoodmore at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> Hey Patrick
> get a bigger trailer and take the lot
> Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete
> 
> Peter Woodmore


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sun Jul 18 02:32:42 2010
From: peterwoodmore at aol.com (peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:32:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville
In-Reply-To: <C869006F.52CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CCF4734E223EA9-5080-11CB7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com>


Patrick didn't you just say that you had run out of room, what a shame.

Peter Woodmore





-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dilemma for Macksville


Hi Peter,
ou are going to run out of room. You had better drop that little Blackstone
ff to my place ;
f you need some parts, talk to Paul. He has been making bits for his 3hp.
atrick

n 17/7/10 6:59 PM, "peterwoodmore at aol.com" <peterwoodmore at aol.com> wrote:
> 
 Hey Patrick
 get a bigger trailer and take the lot
 Just picked up a 3hp Blackstone last week, rusty and seized but 90% complete
 
 Peter Woodmore

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eichhardt NSW
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Jul 18 19:20:13 2010
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:20:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
Message-ID: <548EC7CC8A55444CA1336F98BE6724EF@billPC>

making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough of it hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and springs layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or pictures that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there is no stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be appreciated,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 19:53:42 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:53:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
In-Reply-To: <548EC7CC8A55444CA1336F98BE6724EF@billPC>
Message-ID: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Bill,
If you have Wendell's Power in the Past Vol3 there is a good cutaway of the
engine on page 79. If you don't I scan if for you.
The fuel return level is set in the pump by the level of the pipe into the
bowl.
The hit and miss governing is similar across all the Stover engines but I am
not sure how the throttler horizontals are setup.  I will look through my
files and see what I can find.
My vertical throttler has a different governing system to any other Stover
engines.
Patrick


On 19/7/10 12:20 PM, "bill boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:

> making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough of it
> hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
> we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and springs
> layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
> smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or pictures
> that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a
> throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there is no
> stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we
> could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be appreciated,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Jul 19 09:57:54 2010
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:57:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover
In-Reply-To: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C869FB56.52F2%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08F5F9AB3B4A42FFB964D70C7C782004@billPC>

patrick, thanks for the offer to scan the cutaway, i;d really appreciate it,
bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 22 hp stover


> Hi Bill,
> If you have Wendell's Power in the Past Vol3 there is a good cutaway of 
> the
> engine on page 79. If you don't I scan if for you.
> The fuel return level is set in the pump by the level of the pipe into the
> bowl.
> The hit and miss governing is similar across all the Stover engines but I 
> am
> not sure how the throttler horizontals are setup.  I will look through my
> files and see what I can find.
> My vertical throttler has a different governing system to any other Stover
> engines.
> Patrick
>
>
> On 19/7/10 12:20 PM, "bill boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
>
>> making some progress on the stover,,, me and son bryan assembled enough 
>> of it
>> hear it fire a couple of licks this afternoon,,,
>> we're in bad need of a fuel plumbing diagram, and governor lever and 
>> springs
>> layout,,, bryan said he has been asking around on
>> smokestack, but hasnt had any luck,,, anyone here have any manuals or 
>> pictures
>> that would help? ,,,,,, it has a fuel pump, and is set up as a
>> throttler,,,cant figure out how a fuel return is to be plumbed,,,, there 
>> is no
>> stand pipe in the fuel bowl of the fuel pump, or in the carb,,,i guess we
>> could be missing some parts,,, just not sure,,,any help will be 
>> appreciated,,
>> bill boyce
>> lost prairie, arkansas
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 13:39:56 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:39:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikD0rb1LZOmE5lbBwg_P9xgSHDk6NNk0pyRiCfY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilcMHlAn6svKeKCQMDyRmzzFQQdqk8x2oTiNjIs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 July 2010 08:23, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 July 2010 09:26, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We've progressed a bit since Nuenen, with the Ruston now generating
>> electrical power and charging its own battery set.
>
> We did some running tests with the electrical load connected
> yesterday, maximum temperature reached was 94 Deg C or 201 Deg F in
> old money.
>
> No problems with anything, the engine ran well for over an hour and
> the alternator hardly got warm. The test load was 1.5kW, the engine is
> 11hp so hardly stretching itself!
>
> There is a video here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNfziTsKRc

Apologies, I thought that the video editing had produced a single long
video, in fact it had separated each chapter into a separate MPEG
file, and I had only uploaded the first one to YouTube.

Here are the rest of the sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXEYG-k6kBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuDmkPfsRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMOKlVANA2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilzLwhxvFJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgYfCTFUhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_vqvYoph4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzRQIQBDqI

Sorry about that!

Peter
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jul 20 07:15:42 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:15:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>

Peter:

Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston.  If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.

Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.

Am I missing something here?  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

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Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:39:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul 20 08:08:15 2010
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:08:15 GMT
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
Message-ID: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.  
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?  
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful ? 
(_o_)      Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs. "

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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jul 20 08:26:20 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:26:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Joe,

Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.

A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.  (worded for Dave's benefit)

For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:08 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.  
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?  
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



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,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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(_o_)      Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs. "

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 08:36:58 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:36:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <B148BCEC-9191-4DE9-8763-C363E36D10A4@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
> The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight  
> with my CP impact gun.
> But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.
> Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?
> Oil?
> Anti-Sieze?

Anti-seize is a good idea on lug nuts, or at the least, put some oil  
or grease on the surfaces prior to assembly.  Just as important is  
assembling using the proper torque.  Use the rattle gun to get the  
nuts snug, but finish them off with your torque wrench.






From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 09:05:46 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:05:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>

On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them  
> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening  
> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>
> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing


How do you DO that?





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jul 20 10:11:19 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:11:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1279641603.1266.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100720183303.00e1f7a8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:26:20 -0500
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
><snip>
>
>Joe,
>
>Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.  But 
>you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make 
>sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>
>A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes 
>them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.  (worded for Dave's benefit)
>
>For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to 
>break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a 
>pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.
>
>George

Hi George,
         "it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date" - I 
love it - now to get the "Brandy & Coke" off the monitor !!!

         The thread reminds me of an experience I had a few years ago. 
Jacqui, my daughter, is a small girl - just 5' tall and 110 lbs. She had a 
male "friend" a few years ago who was what I would politely describe as an 
"idiot". I'm sure that you all know them - more muscle than brain although 
that's being too generous in his case. Let's rather say "All muscle - no 
brain".

         He was a "mechanic" (inverted comma's intentional) and had 
opportunity to change the wheels on her car. Well a few weeks later she had 
a puncture - fortunately at home. No problem, get the (also CP) impact 
wrench out and start removing the nuts - darn, not a budge - turn up the 
pressure on the compressor - still nothing - wrench at maximum !!

         O.K. try the wheel spanner and then a good long offset ring 
spanner and try again - still not a budge (Hey, I'm no weakling).

         I eventually loosened each nut by placing a 6' pipe over the ring 
spanner for leverage and even then it needed a lot of pressure and "bouncing"!

         How the hell this arsehole (Oops, sorry, I mean idiot) thought 
that Jacqui would ever get the wheel nuts loose if she had a puncture while 
travelling I do not know. (It's not a good idea for a single woman to be 
stuck on the side of the road in South Africa).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 20 12:46:30 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:46:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
Message-ID: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 12:58:30 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:58:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston. ?If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
>
> Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.
>
> Am I missing something here? ?:-)
>
> Take care - Elden

Hi Elden:

Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:

It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of water, the
higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated and takes more
heat out.

It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound of water through
1 degree Fahrenheit.

It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water into steam.

So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature = increased
evaporation = more heat out of the water.

That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and tank-cooled engines work under.

I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation drawings, it would give
me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it looks as though
it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.

I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve my aim of a
reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jul 20 13:53:28 2010
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <3EC9B2206255432496F108E3D6EB9A99@Desktop>

You could go to Germany where everybody has a square head.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; 
"Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws


Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive 
square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & 
Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything 
from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and 
lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long 
black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 14:38:51 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:38:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <006401cb2853$f1f87660$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

My local Tractor Supply has a good selection.

MR
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arnie Fero 
  To: Old Engine List ; Stationary Engine List 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:46 PM
  Subject: Square Head Lag Screws


  Folks,  Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

  A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
  http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

  It looks like they are perfect for our needs.  Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
  1" x 12" long.  Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
  finish.

  These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
  http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

  Neat resource!!

  See ya,  Arnie

  Arnie Fero
  Pittsburgh, PA
  fero_ah at city-net.com



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 14:41:59 2010
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:41:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>,
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>,
	<AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>


Peter,according to publication7750, the temp of the out let water should be no hotter than 140 F.   John

> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:58:30 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
> 
> On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Peter:
> >
> > Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system for the Ruston.  If you really load it up, it will surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
> >
> > Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp gets to 90C or so.
> >
> > Am I missing something here?  :-)
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden:
> 
> Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:
> 
> It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of water, the
> higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated and takes more
> heat out.
> 
> It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound of water through
> 1 degree Fahrenheit.
> 
> It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water into steam.
> 
> So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature = increased
> evaporation = more heat out of the water.
> 
> That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and tank-cooled engines work under.
> 
> I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation drawings, it would give
> me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it looks as though
> it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.
> 
> I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve my aim of a
> reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jul 20 15:09:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:09:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Clearly, great minds and all that...

On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>
>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>
>
> How do you DO that?




From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:11:13 2010
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone,

? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any 
discussion on the Findlay show?
?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is 
doing well.

Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com 




________________________________
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:09:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Clearly, great minds and all that...

On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>> up.? But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>
>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>
>
> How do you DO that?


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:24:46 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
In-Reply-To: <3a8c2da3249f99b16f4253b898c32f02.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That is the site that was mentions a couplke yeras ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks,? Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.? Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.? Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 17:27:41 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <939823.2898.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bring it here.
I have an impact that will break the studs if the nuts won't come off. 8>))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:


From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 11:26 AM


Joe,

Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them up.? But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.

A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.? (worded for Dave's benefit)

For you present problem, if the impact wrench doesn't have enough power to break them loose, your next option is a big breaker bar and socket with a pipe to extend the handle for more leverage.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:08 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts

Hi Guys,
I'm having a problem with removing the lug nuts on my '95 Buick.
The wheels are aluminum and I try not to install the nuts too tight with my CP impact gun.
But - Once on, I can't get enough pressure to remove the nuts.? 
Does anyone have an idea to make the nuts easier to remove.?? 
Oil? 
Anti-Sieze?



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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jul 20 18:07:13 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:07:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <939823.2898.qm@web111705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100720210713.SCV38.9087438.root@mp16>


-> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing as it makes them easier to get your nuts off at a later date.? (worded for Dave's benefit)
> 
It's policy in our shop to torque every wheel. We have a chart on the wall with specs. These are for dry threads, when oiled you have to reduce by at least 10% and watch what you're doing, they still may not want to torque up. Many of the new studs are coated or plated, no problem, but if they show any signs of rust they get oiled.
J.B. Castagnos




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 18:15:15 2010
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:15:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
References: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <12D16BEBD60040EEAAE03EB4A582E5F9@YOURDA6F5028CB>

A wack job escapes from the local loonie bin, rapes a woman on the street.  The next day's news paper headline yells "NUT BOLTS AND 
SCREWS"


That is the site that was mentions a couplke yeras ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks, Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs. Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long. Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 20 18:29:36 2010
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:29:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>

You are right Arnie , getting them all the same is important , But over 
tighting is a accident waiting to happen , to tight and you streach the 
studs and start to crack the stud in the deep part of the thread and then 
somebody finds your wheel and tire , just hope it's not a laywer . the use 
of oil and anticease is ok on some wheel fastners but not all , I use an air 
wrench but I been doing tires for 35 years and kinda got the feel , I hate 
you buildes with the broken box of dry wall screws in the back of your Dodge 
Ram with the tail gate down spewing them all over whever you go costing 
Ameircan truckers more then they make ,  phew ! got that off my chest , just 
don't over tourqe them and your fine.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts


> Clearly, great minds and all that...
>
> On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>>
>>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>>
>>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>>
>>
>> How do you DO that?
>
>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jul 20 18:41:32 2010
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com><70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
Message-ID: <3EF0DD91B0784DE1BFB1FBDE59222B94@homebase>

Sorry Guys , What I mean Is when you lose a wheel  going down the road at 55 
it don't just stop and lay down they can travel a mile and do lots of damage 
, I work for a trucking company that why I hate dry wall screwes , I have 
large coffee can full of naile and stuff I find in tires , most are dry wall 
screws

 Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts


> You are right Arnie , getting them all the same is important , But over
> tighting is a accident waiting to happen , to tight and you streach the
> studs and start to crack the stud in the deep part of the thread and then
> somebody finds your wheel and tire , just hope it's not a laywer . the use
> of oil and anticease is ok on some wheel fastners but not all , I use an 
> air
> wrench but I been doing tires for 35 years and kinda got the feel , I hate
> you buildes with the broken box of dry wall screws in the back of your 
> Dodge
> Ram with the tail gate down spewing them all over whever you go costing
> Ameircan truckers more then they make ,  phew ! got that off my chest , 
> just
> don't over tourqe them and your fine.
>
> Rex Hinz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
>
>
>> Clearly, great minds and all that...
>>
>> On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
>>>
>>>> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
>>>> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
>>>> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
>>>>
>>>> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you DO that?
>>
>>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 18:43:35 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:43:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
In-Reply-To: <5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5CE833939D5B4AAD8880E047A8FD955C@homebase>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_3eGNPVkKFpH49gBbmm8SVr7S1_Ch_DL1NME9@mail.gmail.com>

I put a dab of anti-size on the part of the nut that touches the aluminum
wheel to prevent scoring as well as making them easier to get off. A little
oil on the threads keeps the rust away.

(My Ranger says 90 to 120 lbs - pretty wide range.)

Paul - many years near the ocean in SanFran


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 20 20:09:07 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:09:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
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	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100721030906.68FA99394@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Jim,
  Long time no see,  Hey ya know personally I am biased by it being 
my home show but we like it. August 5-8   You can start hauling 
tractors in Monday. Camping set up begins Tuesday north of the creek 
as well as engine set up. Marking spots begins Monday 5 pm.  Hosting 
the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America.
  See http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
Will you be bringing a display or coming to camp and relax?      Mark




At 08:11 PM 7/20/2010, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>   It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.  Any
>discussion on the Findlay show?
>  This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
>doing well.
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:09:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
>
>Clearly, great minds and all that...
>
>On Tue, July 20, 2010 12:05 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Best, George wrote:
> >
> >> Impact wrench is fine for undoing lug nuts and just snugging them
> >> up.  But you should really use a torque wrench to finish tightening
> >> them to make sure all are tightened to the same amount.
> >>
> >> A little oil or anti-seize isn't a bad idea when installing
> >
> >
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 00:18:25 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:18:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>

Who is this Arnie Fero?
	Dave

On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:15 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
> Does anyone know why Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com keeping  
> boucing back un-deliverable??
>
> I will post the reply I need him to get here, if that is OK??
>
>
> Hi Arnie
>
> I just sent $140 green Yankee dollars to your PayPal account
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Can you please send a cheque for $130 payable to Midwest Old  
> Threshers to:
>
> Barry Tuller
> 6544 Stevensville Baroda Road
> Stevensville, MI  49127
>
> Place a note telling Barry the money is for me and my son's R&V Expo  
> fees at
> Mount Pleasant.
> Your a pal mate, my beer shout at Portland
>
>
> Peter, Oz
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 22:14:33 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:14:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTilckLzvW5Ik6YZTbrnUc30iYKrqCYfpTvmxNYPt@mail.gmail.com>
	<923317751.1840991279635342590.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs15>
	<AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT107-W40DE708E81B24A9EA6CA50D0A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvzC4SlGZ8QVUubO5XXd5Ty-VTym9Tniz2Syn-@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 July 2010 22:41, john palmer <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Peter,according to publication7750, the temp of the out let water should be no hotter than 140 F. ? John

Hi John:

That is also in the 1HR - 1ZHR series book.

60 deg C seems awfully cool to me, especially for a diesel, but I'll
see what we can do to bring that temperature down.

My book is 1955, and with modern lubricants etc I would have no
worries about running at the higher temperatures, it certainly isn't
showing any distress or signs of anything getting near the limit. It
is not under anything like full load either.

I wonder how many engines actually achieved that, especially the
hopper-cooled 1HR and the OK, AP series, which must have run at higher
temperatures to achieve the cooling?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Jul 20 23:25:35 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:25:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
Message-ID: <7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Who is this Arnie Fero?
> 	Dave


Hi, Dave.

This is what Wikipedia says:

Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Jul 21 00:26:26 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:26:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>,
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>,
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W527F336CC10AD764F23060B4A10@phx.gbl>


Rob; that was cold, or is it scary true ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:25:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
> > Who is this Arnie Fero?
> > Dave
> 
> 
> Hi, Dave.
> 
> This is what Wikipedia says:
> 
> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear 
> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S. 
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as 
> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and 
> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of 
> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S. 
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College 
> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the 
> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior 
> University Scholar. During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a 
> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> 
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 21 00:40:05 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:40:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe><D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>

I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing


> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> 
>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
>> Dave
> 
> 
> Hi, Dave.
> 
> This is what Wikipedia says:
> 
> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 03:02:24 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:02:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
In-Reply-To: <314563.19073.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <570128.19814.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I HATE the keyboard that came with this new computer.
Gray letters on black keys,,,,,
These keys don't know where to find my fingers yet.?? 8>))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 8:24 PM


That is the site that was mentions a couple years ago.
I have a nice box of nuts and bolts plus square head set screws out in my engine shed.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: [SEL] Square Head Lag Screws
To: "Old Engine List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:46 PM


Folks,? Mr. Steve and I were chatting about the elusive square head lag screws.

A bit of Googling disclosed this outfit "Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply"
http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/gpage.html

It looks like they are perfect for our needs.? Everything from 1/4" x 1-1/4" long to
1" x 12" long.? Pretty decent selection of diameters and lengths in plain or black
finish.

These folks have the smaller sizes up to 3/8" x 4" long black finish.
http://www.instockfasteners.com/MyFA/mydescriptxhtmlpartid=15635/categoryid=35

Neat resource!!

See ya,? Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 03:33:34 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe><D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com><7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
	<A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>
Message-ID: <001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Well, you can't argue with facts!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing


>I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> 
>>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
>>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, Dave.
>> 
>> This is what Wikipedia says:
>> 
>> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear  
>> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.  
>> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as  
>> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and  
>> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self- 
>> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of  
>> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.  
>> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College  
>> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the  
>> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior  
>> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a  
>> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 05:59:30 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:59:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat  
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on  some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I also 
make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed Jul 21 06:53:13 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:53:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3BC626D57DBB43C1A5B5A84CFA731DE8@Eagle>


	I have several hobbies - some more closely followed than others.

Blacksmithing - demonstrating at the Wood County Historical Museum and doing
simple reproduction iron work. Presently vice-president of the Historical
Society.

Amateur radio - active mostly on VHF/UHF mobile but also on HF with hopes
for more antennas someday. Active in SKYWARN as a trained tornado spotter
and Amateur Radio Emergency Services. President of the local ham radio club
- Wood County Amateur Radio Club

Photography - still learning with new HD camcorder

Woodworking - not very skilled here but once in a while I get lucky

Flying - had a student license many years ago but still interested - going
to Oshkosh next week for a week

Collecting old technical books and manuals

Trying to keep up with HI-FI and audio/video technology and converting old
vinyl records to CDs. Sound technician at church for the Praise Service
musical group.

Firearms / reloading - enjoy hunting when I can and a little target practice
at the backyard range

	I really don't know how I had time to work before I retired in 2005.
Had to get an answering machine and keep a calendar since retirement.

Life is good!  


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are
unauthoritave, void and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have
any old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer
heads around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple
of loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is
some terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I
also make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit
hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 07:36:30 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:36:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <58477.7a2458d6.39785fee@aol.com>

Speaking of shooting, here is a shooting bench I built a couple of months  
ago.  Lots of fun target shooting on the farm.  Just wish I could hit  the 
same place twice!
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bench.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bench.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 07:56:39 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:56:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F325EF05B0084823828972E1D398E002@shop>

Hi Tom

Nice work! My dad carves walking sticks and canes and has completed in the 4
to 5 hundred range. He is 85 now and it has been his primary hobby for quite
a few years now. He gives most of them away and keeps a log of the time
spent on each one and who he gave it to. In most cases he has a picture of
the new owner with his/her stick.

I was wondering what type of wood your sticks are made of? I seem to
remember dad doing some type of wood that was killed bay a vine wrapping
around it. It looks like yours my be something like this.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat  
working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have
any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I also

make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.  
 
What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 
 _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg   


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 08:41:59 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:41:59 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>

Dave,
 
I am an occasional stick maker, and give some away and others just hang in  
the basement.  Maybe Millie can sell them with the auctioneer someday along 
 with the other junk!  Mine are usually live when I cut them, and the vine  
is still wrapped around it.  Most dead ones I see are somewhat rotted due  
to the vine cutting into the tree. I find a lot of poplar, some oak, and an  
occasional cedar and dogwood.
 
Wish your father was closer as I am sure I could learn some valuable  
lessons from him in the art of making good sticks.  He probably has a  leather 
apron and all to make life easier.  I have found it is best to  rough strip 
off the bark while the tree is still freshly cut.  Once  it dries, taking off 
the bark is tough and time consuming.   

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From obise at moscow.com  Wed Jul 21 09:23:15 2010
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:23:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>

My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with a look
at our Web page menu.  

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm

Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine, hoping to
finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm nearly done
with the machine work; painting comes next.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
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Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 




From obise at moscow.com  Wed Jul 21 09:31:57 2010
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:31:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
References: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
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This is just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower, or whatever was following the sun.

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jul 21 09:47:27 2010
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:47:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C47249F.4020301@coastalnet.com>

Pretty neat stuff, Tom.  I always enjoy seeing the walking sticks that
folks like you make. 

I am another of those folks with too many hobbies.  Photography has sort 
of taken over my
life these days.  It certainly has taken over my pocketbook;-)  I also 
dabble in woodworking,
mostly woodturning bowls.   I also make a little sorghum syrup and used 
to do a little bit
of gristmilling, but I don't have a working gristmill at the moment.  

Most of my photography can be seen on my Flickr page at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters/

Ken

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>  
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>  
>
>   



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 10:33:50 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:33:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT - Lug Nuts
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I used to be next to a tool rental place. The guys at the closest tire place
used to love me! Screws were bad but bolts were almost instantly fatal to
the tires. At least with bolts, I didn't have time to get on the freeway to
have a flat at high speed.

Paul


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 21 10:51:48 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:51:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
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It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.  Dave and I are planning to be there setup
in the "high rent district" down by the river.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
> ? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any
> discussion on the Findlay show?
> ?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
> doing well.




From don.h at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 21 11:22:16 2010
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:22:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com><70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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And the sweet corn is awful good this summer




From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 11:28:36 2010
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <F325EF05B0084823828972E1D398E002@shop>
Message-ID: <907085.30504.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Dave,
? In my area of Va. the vine is wild honeysucle and the sapling can be most any other kind of wood. I really like finding one with wild cherry.
? Dave.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net> wrote:


From: Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:56 AM


Hi Tom

Nice work! My dad carves walking sticks and canes and has completed in the 4
to 5 hundred range. He is 85 now and it has been his primary hobby for quite
a few years now. He gives most of them away and keeps a log of the time
spent on each one and who he gave it to. In most cases he has a picture of
the new owner with his/her stick.

I was wondering what type of wood your sticks are made of? I seem to
remember dad doing some type of wood that was killed bay a vine wrapping
around it. It looks like yours my be something like this.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat? 
working on old junk.? Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on
some 
other stuff.? Some old chisels that I made new handles for.???I prefer to 
fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower? one).? Anybody have
any 
old ones they would like to get rid of?? Also? had a number of hammer heads 
around and handles for them.? Fitted some new? ones and fixed a couple of 
loose ones.? I installed the handles using? gorilla glue to fill in any
voids, 
so the handles should never loosen or come? out again.? That glue is some 
terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook? and cranny it can find!? I also

make some walking sticks I pick up when out? in the woods rabbit hunting.? 

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg) 

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg) 

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg???


_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg) 

Tom? Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 12:11:16 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:11:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is  just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,  or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,
 
I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
 I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of  looking.  Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps 
based on  something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of  a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!  My  91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping  when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.  I had 
never taken  the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same  way.  So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.  
 
I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.  And Dave is  
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are  honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too  much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and  leave it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 21 14:22:04 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:22:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <9A0830686C9D49A2B2235104330AD419@gusPC>
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Wow is it ever!! Must be some of the best I have had in YEARS.  Even 
the stuff from the grocery stores is good.   Mark


At 02:22 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

>From: "Don Heringhaus" <don.h at wcoil.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>And the sweet corn is awful good this summer


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jul 21 14:47:55 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:47:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <20100721212203.4B7FD92CD@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
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AWESOME!!  Only two weeks to wait till the show!!

On Wed, July 21, 2010 5:22 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Wow is it ever!! Must be some of the best I have had in YEARS.  Even
> the stuff from the grocery stores is good.   Mark
>
>
> At 02:22 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
>
>>From: "Don Heringhaus" <don.h at wcoil.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>
>>And the sweet corn is awful good this summer





From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:08:40 2010
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>
Message-ID: <281434.69512.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I saw some kind of nature show on PBS one time that had slow-motion photography of the growing tip of a young vine going in a circular motion like it was looking for something to wrap around. Don't remember what kind it was. Now I'm going to have to go out in the yard and check the 3 or 4 different kinds of vines we have in the driveway and hedge rows? !!!!
? Dave.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 3:11 PM



In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is? just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,? or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,

I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of? looking.? Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps 
based on? something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of? a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!? My? 91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping? when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.? I had 
never taken? the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same? way.? So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.? 

I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.? And Dave is? 
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are? honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too? much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and? leave it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.

_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 


Tom? Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 16:41:32 2010
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
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Cant wait for that sweet corn. Hope to be able to have a beer or two with Arnie 
and?Dave and anyone else.?LOL
?Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com 




________________________________
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:51:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay show

It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.? Dave and I are planning to be there 
setup
in the "high rent district" down by the river.

See ya,? Arnie

On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
> ? It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on line.??Any
> discussion on the Findlay show?
> ?This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope everyone one is
> doing well.


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 16:43:45 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:43:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>

I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and doing a
little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day stuff
and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.

Some day that seven day weekend will come.

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
Iseminger
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with a look
at our Web page menu.  

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm

Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine, hoping to
finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm nearly done
with the machine work; painting comes next.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies

What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
 


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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jul 21 17:04:57 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <280397989BC34EBA9936EAAC6E185A1C@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>

Hi Tom,
All climbing beans down under climb clockwise.
John Cooper 
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
Iseminger
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 2:32 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


This is just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower, or whatever was following the sun.

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 17:10:28 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:10:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
References: <60cce.6206e48c.39786f47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9CB00DC39FF42A089348E667B90CB2E@shop>

Hi Tom

Yes it would be fun for you guys to get together; I'm sure you would have a
lot to talk about. Dad is a picky German (perfectionist) and his sticks and
canes reflect that. I will try to send you a couple of pictures of the ones
my family has. Mine is a cane and I put it to good use when I broke my foot
some years ago.

I'm not quite sure how he deals with the bark; I do know that he likes to
carefully work his way down through the layers and on certain types of wood
the bark is left mostly intact. He prefers Formby's Tung Oil for a finish
and they are usually glass smooth when finished.

Best regards,
Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:42 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

Dave,
 
I am an occasional stick maker, and give some away and others just hang in  
the basement.  Maybe Millie can sell them with the auctioneer someday along 
 with the other junk!  Mine are usually live when I cut them, and the vine  
is still wrapped around it.  Most dead ones I see are somewhat rotted due  
to the vine cutting into the tree. I find a lot of poplar, some oak, and an

occasional cedar and dogwood.
 
Wish your father was closer as I am sure I could learn some valuable  
lessons from him in the art of making good sticks.  He probably has a
leather 
apron and all to make life easier.  I have found it is best to  rough strip 
off the bark while the tree is still freshly cut.  Once  it dries, taking
off 
the bark is tough and time consuming.   

If you look at the sticks closely, all the vines wrap in the same rotation. 
 As the vine grow up from the ground it wraps clockwise.  Much the same as  
all water does when draining from the bathtub in the northern  hemisphere.  
I have often wondered if the vines grow in the opposite  direction as 
draining water does in the southern hemisphere?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 17:13:37 2010
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:13:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <1300391126-1279757618-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1007266171-@bda2235.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have a 5 year old daughter and 3 year old son, plus a job that sucks 50-55 hours out of me every week.  Needless to say, my hobby time is limited...

I did the old cars hobby for a few years, but engines were my first obsession and always will be my favorite.  Besides, you can only bring home so many rusty old clunkers before the wife starts waving the rolling pin.  Not to mention you can fit 6-7 mid size engines in the same amount of room that an old car or truck takes up!

-Tony


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jul 21 17:14:00 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:14:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6eb64.19568e50.3978a054@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2ECDAA5978AE480EA385937A9BC79D9B@JBCooper>

Hi Tom,
Are my eyes playing tricks. That stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.
John Cooper 
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 5:11 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 12:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
obise at moscow.com writes:

This is  just a SWAG, but I thought the rotation was caused by the vine,
sunflower,  or whatever was following the sun.


Orrin,
 
I have no idea what makes the vine wrap in a clockwise direction, only that 
 I have never seen one wrapped in a counterclockwise direction from many 
years of  looking.  Because of this I made an assumption that it was perhaps

based on  something to do with the earths rotation much the same as water 
draining out of  a tub does. Of course assumptions can often lead to other 
stuff!  My  91 year old neighbor was the first to make me think about the 
clockwise wrapping  when he asked me if I had any idea how come this was.  I
had 
never taken  the time to stop and think about it or realize everyone I saw 
wrapped the same  way.  So, from then on I took the time to really look at 
stuff.  
 
I too live in Virginia, central Virginia near Lynchburg.  And Dave is  
right, most of the vines found on twisted sticks in our area are
honeysuckle 
vines. Lots of times if I find a twisted stick and it is bent too  much to 
make a walking stick, I will tie it on a piece of slotted angle and  leave
it 
dry for 6 months to a year. See photo of one drying now.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/bent%20stick.jpg) 
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 18:13:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:13:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
Message-ID: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>

When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
> doing a
> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
> stuff
> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>
> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
> Iseminger
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
> a look
> at our Web page menu.
>
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>
> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
> hoping to
> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
> nearly done
> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 18:15:19 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:15:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay show
In-Reply-To: <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>
	<70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<cc03a73b1a02824a48e7de99a8eae047.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>

It will be good to see you again Jim! Will you bring along that good  
looking young gal that you have been sleeping with for a while now?
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:41 PM, James Yost wrote:

> Cant wait for that sweet corn. Hope to be able to have a beer or two  
> with Arnie
> and Dave and anyone else. LOL
>  Jim and Janna Yost
> Utica, Ohio
> USA
> jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:51:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay show
>
> It's a DAMN fine show and a lot of fun.  Dave and I are planning to  
> be there
> setup
> in the "high rent district" down by the river.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, July 20, 2010 8:11 pm, James Yost wrote:
>>   It has been a long time since I have had a chance to get on  
>> line.  Any
>> discussion on the Findlay show?
>>  This is the first show that we will go to this year. I hope  
>> everyone one is
>> doing well.
>
>
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 18:29:24 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:29:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
Message-ID: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>

And the URL is?



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
> doing a
> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
> stuff
> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>
> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
> Iseminger
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
> a look
> at our Web page menu.
>
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>
> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
> hoping to
> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
> nearly done
> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Jul 21 19:03:45 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:03:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
Message-ID: <8F4769A8-398F-4F4C-858D-1018831DFEBA@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:13 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> the porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps  
> both of
> us pretty damn busy.

Don't ask, don't tell.






























From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 19:17:29 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:17:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014801cb2944$091dbd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Good work there Tom!  Lets see, other than engines and keeping my evil 
brother out of trouble, I also am a Ford Model T guy, work on Brunner air 
compressors, and collect gasoline related items.  Plus dozens of other 
things that keep me from finishing many things.

Work really gets in the way.....

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies


> It has been very hot and dry here, so I have not been out in the heat
> working on old junk.  Rather, I have been in the cool basement working on 
> some
> other stuff.  Some old chisels that I made new handles for.   I prefer to
> fix the tang type rather than the socket type (lower  one).  Anybody have 
> any
> old ones they would like to get rid of?  Also  had a number of hammer 
> heads
> around and handles for them.  Fitted some new  ones and fixed a couple of
> loose ones.  I installed the handles using  gorilla glue to fill in any 
> voids,
> so the handles should never loosen or come  out again.  That glue is some
> terrible stuff, expanding out of every nook  and cranny it can find!  I 
> also
> make some walking sticks I pick up when out  in the woods rabbit hunting.
>
> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/chisels.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/hammers.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg
>
>
> _ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sticks.jpg)
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jul 21 19:18:54 2010
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:18:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
Message-ID: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>

Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should be at the top of the list. :-)
Keith



On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
> 
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>> 
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>> 
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>> 
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>> 
>> Orrin
>> 
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Keith Kinney
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WWW.HerculesEngines.com






From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 19:19:58 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:19:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
Message-ID: <017301cb2944$61b41d60$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

It seems that I am not alone in my creative writing........


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>>
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ddotto at cableone.net  Wed Jul 21 19:29:50 2010
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:29:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com><6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp><1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop><D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com><6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
	<269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <F80E464CF5F84100BC29449AAF72F487@shop>

I think I will pass!

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should be at
the top of the list. :-)
Keith



On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
> 
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the  
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of  
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and  
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a  
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was  
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> 
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and  
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day  
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>> 
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with  
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>> 
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>> 
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,  
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm  
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>> 
>> Orrin
>> 
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>> 
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 19:38:24 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:38:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
Message-ID: <DE7F0A16-BE95-4880-9F98-E0FEC396BFB5@me.com>

http://www.youporn.com/ provides most of our supplemental income. It's  
(for the most part) a "family friendly" site. (There are at times  
sisters [often even twins] and a mother and daughter "act.") The other  
site (for which Arnie is mostly responsible) is a bit more explicit  
and, therefore, I hesitate to post it on a family oriented list such  
as this!
	Dave
PS, Dave, Remember, your wife checks your 'puter from time to time!

On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:

> And the URL is?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the
> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both of
> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and
> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a
> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was
> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me
> all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>
>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and
>> doing a
>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day
>> stuff
>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>
>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Dave Otto
>> Boise, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B
>> Iseminger
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with
>> a look
>> at our Web page menu.
>>
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>
>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,
>> hoping to
>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm
>> nearly done
>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 19:44:11 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:44:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
References: <5175a.4ff629a8.39784932@aol.com>
	<6837C1C7315C4A22894C76E274B8960A@CathyComp>
	<1C62197FA612474191D14C6B68D14378@shop>
	<D502647F-8322-4460-A043-22CE0554AF1A@me.com>
	<6314C6854ED1426ABB0C1FE9F12EC92F@shop>
	<269CBD86-5485-4DF8-9907-956C6222AAC8@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <400BB2E3-A828-4C3A-8D9B-494292D93CD4@me.com>

At $US0.04 per hit I sure as hell hope that it's "top of the list!"
	Dave
PS, Can you multiply $US0.04 times 50,000 hits per day times 365 days  
per year?
PPS, You guys didn't really think that Arnie was getting all that  
engine money from Dear Leader, did you?

On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Just do a google search on "Dave and Arnie's Gay Porn site".  Should  
> be at the top of the list. :-)
> Keith
>
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>
>> And the URL is?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>
>> When we are not messing with engines or attending engine shows the
>> porn web site that Arnie and I started several years ago keeps both  
>> of
>> us pretty damn busy. Arnie (mostly) takes care of the site itself and
>> I interview and do the photo shoots with the girls. It's damn near a
>> full time job these days, but it's almost as much fun as when I was
>> teaching collage! The primary problem I fine now is that it takes me
>> all night to do what I used to do all night!
>> 	Dave
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have too many hobbies; it's just with a full time job and
>>> doing a
>>> little machine work on the side add that to all the other day to day
>>> stuff
>>> and I only seem to get a few hours each month for myself.
>>>
>>> Some day that seven day weekend will come.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Otto
>>> Boise, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of  
>>> Orrin B
>>> Iseminger
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>>>
>>> My problem is too many hobbies.  You can get a sampling of them with
>>> a look
>>> at our Web page menu.
>>>
>>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/Menu.htm
>>>
>>> Currently, I'm building a quarter-scale Ericsson pumping engine,
>>> hoping to
>>> finish it in time for the Oregon GEARS show in September.  I'm
>>> nearly done
>>> with the machine work; painting comes next.
>>>
>>> Orrin
>>>
>>> Orrin Iseminger
>>> Colton, Washington, USA
>>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
>>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Germoamer at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:00 AM
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
>>>
>>> What other hobbies do you old engine folks have?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>
>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jul 21 19:50:54 2010
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:50:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>


---- John & Beryl Cooper <cooperjb at aapt.net.au> wrote: 
> Hi Tom,
> All climbing beans down under climb clockwise.
> John Cooper 
> Bega Australia.

What direction do the clocks run down there?
J.B. Castagnos


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 20:03:04 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:03:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland and stuff
In-Reply-To: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
References: <6E524EBF2A974500B4C25CC2D0131DDA@regpc>
Message-ID: <E8FFC2E5-CDA0-4AFE-94C5-4D2C77180A5B@me.com>

"End of the perch?" What the hell do you think we are Reg--STUPID?  
Shit we fell for that several years ago and bought you beer the whole  
time you were over here! Marg warned us, but we didn't listen. This  
time we simply don't trust you. We expect to see you MANY times before  
you turn room temperature--so stop trying to play on our sympathy!
	Dave

On Jul 14, 2010, at 3:04 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Today, being well caught up with shed stuff, and having Marg say,  
> "In 4 weeks, you will be 'over there'"
> Which hit home to me.
> I went looking through back pics of trips, (along with  pics from  
> Dolly, taken when her offspring were a LOT smaller than they are now!)
> It was a lot of years ago, I made my first 'Engine Trip' to the USA  
> and Portland was the 'Special place' where I met up with some of the  
> best folk on this planet.
> I also accept the fact that at 74, this may well be MY last foray to  
> the USA. (Dont sigh with relief just yet! Ya never know!!)
> So, thinking  back on the great times I had with you all, (Sadly,  
> the 'end of the perch' has removed a lot of our original members),
> I think we should aim to make this year's event, a 'Catch up with  
> old mates' event. (I am aware that the internet allows us to keep in  
> contact but, it aint the same as a personal hug and handshake.)
> Ok, each and every one of you has some thinking and planning to do.
> I, ME, will be there and will be looking out for old mates! I sure  
> want to see as many as I can. The friendships formed has made my  
> life so much better in all respects.
> See ya mates.
> Reg
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 21 20:22:00 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:22:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie
Message-ID: <09EC1722-2552-4124-BDA7-D28C5876BDEB@me.com>

Arnie, We still have this one "UP" on our second site, do we not? See: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.db0e3a510e837b22648b1cac367c137d.1e1&show_article=1
	Dave



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:34:18 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:34:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9bc26.3e833dd1.397986ba@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

Besides,  you can only bring home so many rusty old clunkers before the 
wife starts  waving the rolling pin. 


Tony,
 
No rolling pins here, but Millie did tell me more than once I could not own 
 the world!  
She also refused me to erect any more buildings!
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:45:05 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:45:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c373.1d0fe06d.39798941@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

That  stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.


John,
 
I was wondering if that subject would come up.  The sticks are hanging  
with the butt towards the ground, just as it grows.  If you lay your head  on 
the ground and look up, the vine wraps in a clockwise motion.  If you  look 
from the top of the stick and unwind the vine it unwinds in a  
counterclockwise motion.  It is the way I look at it and probably no  winners on the 
subject. I suppose it all depends on which way you  have the clock facing to make 
the determination. It is my  understanding once you pass the equator, 
clocks face upside down from what they  do in the northern hemisphere. I think I 
have hear that on this list  before.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:46:35 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:46:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c487.4ba10765.3979899b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ddotto at cableone.net writes:

I will  try to send you a couple of pictures of the ones
my family  has.


Dave,
 
Look forward to seeing the pictures of your Dad's canes.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:48:12 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:48:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c5ab.7783cf2e.397989fc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 9:21:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

The  primary problem I fine now is that it takes me  
all night to do what  I used to do all night!



Geesh Dave, I thought "men pills" solved that problem!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 04:53:04 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:53:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <9c98b.5e208f2e.39798b20@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

Work  really gets in the way.....


Mike,
 
That is the reason after working as a mechanical engineer for 30 years in  
the nuclear industry like Arnie, and then working for brother in law for 
another  10 years building houses, I finally quit last year.  Still do not have 
 enough time for all the hobbies I have and stuff to do.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 14:36:48 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:36:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <9c98b.5e208f2e.39798b20@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801cb29e5$fd7ba6e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

I intend to be the first Royster to ever retire.  When I turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> Work  really gets in the way.....
>
>
> Mike,
>
> That is the reason after working as a mechanical engineer for 30 years in
> the nuclear industry like Arnie, and then working for brother in law for
> another  10 years building houses, I finally quit last year.  Still do not 
> have
> enough time for all the hobbies I have and stuff to do.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 15:46:03 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:46:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
Message-ID: <7052a.40a2f888.397a242b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

When I  turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!


If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having to  
pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little early! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Thu Jul 22 15:55:08 2010
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:55:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <9c373.1d0fe06d.39798941@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E3169A48C1BE456BA5BEFBA9117E662D@JBCooper>

Tom,
Take another look. No matter which way up the stick is the rotation is the
same.
John
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 9:45 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 8:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

That  stick appears to be wound anti-clockwise.


John,
 
I was wondering if that subject would come up.  The sticks are hanging  
with the butt towards the ground, just as it grows.  If you lay your head
on 
the ground and look up, the vine wraps in a clockwise motion.  If you  look 
from the top of the stick and unwind the vine it unwinds in a  
counterclockwise motion.  It is the way I look at it and probably no
winners on the 
subject. I suppose it all depends on which way you  have the clock facing to
make 
the determination. It is my  understanding once you pass the equator, 
clocks face upside down from what they  do in the northern hemisphere. I
think I 
have hear that on this list  before.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Jul 22 16:00:39 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:00:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>
References: <4632E02FDDB84B488A57A7829754D35D@JBCooper>
	<20100721225054.BQ1Z8.9126742.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <20100722230028.C521A304246@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>


>
>
>What direction do the clocks run down there?
>J.B. Castagnos


Hi JB, mate it all depends on where we are going. Moving forward in 
our lives our clocks go clockwise!  When we go backwards; say like 
head off to the USA, they go anticlockwise!
Russ



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 22 16:14:17 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed!  Mark me as wrong!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
>
>
> On 20 July 2010 15:15,  <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Peter:
> >
> > Methinks youmay have to revisit the cooling system
> for the Ruston. ?If you really load it up, it will
> surely top the boiling point of the coolant.
> >
> > Maybe you could insert an auto heater into the line
> and have a thermostat turn on the fan when the temp
> gets to 90C or so.
> >
> > Am I missing something here? ?:-)
> >
> > Take care - Elden
>
> Hi Elden:
>
> Probably teaching you how to suck eggs, but here goes:
>
> It's all to do with the latent heat of evaporation of
> water, the
> higher the temperature, the more water gets evaporated
> and takes more
> heat out.
>
> It takes 1 BTu (British Thermal Unit) to take 1pound
> of water through
> 1 degree Fahrenheit.
>
> It takes 970 BTu's to turn that same 1 pound of water
> into steam.
>
> So it's a thermal balancing act, increased temperature
> = increased
> evaporation = more heat out of the water.
>
> That's the principle that all hopper-cooled and
> tank-cooled engines work under.
>
> I'd hoped that if I looked at the installation
> drawings, it would give
> me a bit of info on the original cooling setup, but it
> looks as though
> it was a run-to-waste water system from a large header tank.
>
> I'll not be running it at full power, 2kW will achieve
> my aim of a
> reasonable loading, 8.2kW maximum in theory.
>
> Peter
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jul 22 16:56:52 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
In-Reply-To: <7052a.40a2f888.397a242b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E538A53EAA84DEA8AE5FD4481809254@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:46 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies

 
In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

When I  turn 80, I am 
quitting regardless!!!


If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having
to  
pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little
early! 
 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 18:09:43 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:09:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Columbus Progress
Message-ID: <C86F28F7.53CB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This little goody recently arrived from the USA:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/DSCF4013.JPG

A nice new mixer for my vertical Columbus. I am slowly getting the bits
together for this engine and once I have critical mass I will make a start
on it :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 19:15:40 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:15:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies
References: <0E538A53EAA84DEA8AE5FD4481809254@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <003f01cb2a0c$f26dfe20$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Why, all that flattery may just cause me to come back even sooner.  Went to 
Bowling Green and back yesterday but I was riding in a small plane.  Next 
time I fly to Magnolia it will be in a C-140!!!!   Er, you know, so i can 
bring lots of goodies to trade.  MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies


> Tom,
> He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
> there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
> coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
> long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:46 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies
>
>
> In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> When I  turn 80, I am
> quitting regardless!!!
>
>
> If you would quit making those late night runs into Kentucky and having
> to
> pay those outrageous lawyer fees, you could probably retire a little
> early!
>
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 00:01:20 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:01:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuQOtV9dVwz3KDBe85e8qRMwJ7nPsyWnH25yu+@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 July 2010 00:14, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed! ?Mark me as wrong!
>
> Take care - Elden

Well, I asked the question, haven't had a definitive answer yet.

The 1HR and above was available with hopper cooling, and the petrol
and petrol/paraffin (kero) engines were as well, up to 10hp, and they
must run hotter than a diesel.

As soon as I have a definitive answer, I'll get back to you.

Peter
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 06:34:45 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:34:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
Message-ID: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>

Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show on Friday, Saturday.
I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???

Peter, Oz

From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 23 07:00:23 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:00:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <DC27F4B55DCD47E68E486C1C3B884E4C@laruecounty.courthouse>

Its pretty dead on Sunday Peter.  I'd say about 20 to 25% of the
exhibitors and sellers pull out Friday evening and more than that on
Sat.  There's probably about a 1/4 of them left on the grounds by noon
on Sunday.  This is from my experience years ago.  I haven't been to
Portland on Sunday for the last 15 or more years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:35 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show

Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up
and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and
the show on Friday, Saturday.
I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???

Peter, Oz
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 23 07:19:31 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:19:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Pete,

A number of folks are pulling out on Saturday.  We load up and pull out Sunday
morning.  By the time we're rolling on Sunday, it's pretty sparse.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, July 23, 2010 9:34 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up and gone
> home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show on Friday,
> Saturday.
> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:16:46 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:16:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <DC27F4B55DCD47E68E486C1C3B884E4C@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <126415CFEEF34070A048E84038B7406A@peterlowe>

Looks like I might have to get up very early in Chicago, jet lagged,  and 
get there mid day Thursday!!
Peter




> Its pretty dead on Sunday Peter.  I'd say about 20 to 25% of the
> exhibitors and sellers pull out Friday evening and more than that on
> Sat.  There's probably about a 1/4 of them left on the grounds by noon
> on Sunday.  This is from my experience years ago.  I haven't been to
> Portland on Sunday for the last 15 or more years.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:35 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
>
> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up
> and gone home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and
> the show on Friday, Saturday.
> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???
>
> Peter, Oz
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:17:50 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
Message-ID: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>

Have a look at this engine
http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html





Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jul 23 07:23:02 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:23:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
	<4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>

OK, thanks Arnie
Pete





> G'day Pete,
>
> A number of folks are pulling out on Saturday.  We load up and pull out 
> Sunday
> morning.  By the time we're rolling on Sunday, it's pretty sparse.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, July 23, 2010 9:34 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Is anything happening at Portland on the Sunday or is everyone packed up 
>> and gone
>> home. I have planned to go to the dinner on Thursday night, and the show 
>> on Friday,
>> Saturday.
>> I thought I saw someone mention that most pull out Saturday ???
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 07:41:09 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:41:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>
References: <A636A59D009140D79D6CAA52A8C6CEC3@peterlowe>
	<4476ef4cdbb2937566bf3dc3df4107e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6F10F722729C4524BF185E6D830C4B4F@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHTkyrDwixRkooJhMhWvVhuOzSMcDV8q-gtxf-@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 July 2010 15:23, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
> OK, thanks Arnie
> Pete

We always do the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, you see the best of
the show on those days. Saturdays are left for the thunderstorms :-))

Peter
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 08:13:24 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>



Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 		 	   		  
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 09:01:57 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:01:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Tom,

Nice pictures!  One of these years I'll do something like that at my place.  Just don't have a nice big building full of engine like you do ;-)

Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.

George

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:13 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures



Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 		 	   		  
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:12:21 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:12:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ruston 1ZHR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuQOtV9dVwz3KDBe85e8qRMwJ7nPsyWnH25yu+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilTOG8FCX2sQhqcNCVO7aMmNhRhHTL0O8DGPB_e@mail.gmail.com>
	<AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHIECNCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<AANLkTimuQOtV9dVwz3KDBe85e8qRMwJ7nPsyWnH25yu+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=1MstYXu0N5Vb0Vh7yURAr68EAchhWgq794sqX@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 July 2010 08:01, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 July 2010 00:14, Elden <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Peter:
>>
>> I wasn't aware that boiling was allowed! ?Mark me as wrong!
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>
> Well, I asked the question, haven't had a definitive answer yet.
>
> The 1HR and above was available with hopper cooling, and the petrol
> and petrol/paraffin (kero) engines were as well, up to 10hp, and they
> must run hotter than a diesel.
>
> As soon as I have a definitive answer, I'll get back to you.
>
> Peter

I emailed Ray Hooley, here is his response:

"Hello Peter. I am attaching sections from instruction books for  1.
Hopper-cooled  and  2. Tank-cooled engines.
Engines run more efficiently with hotter water. Hopper-cooled engines
are usually well-attended and so
are designed to reach close-on boiling point and the attendant can top
them up regularly as they lose water by evaporation.  Tank-cooled
engines are usually left for long periods without attention - so they
are designed to run at a lower temperature so that they do not lose
water quickly. If the water level dropped below the inlet-pipe
connection, circulation would stop and the engine could be damaged!!!
I hope that this helps. Best wishes. Ray."

I think that confirms my own feelings, especially about the
temperatures that the other engines run up to without problems.

Peter
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From gop4evr at lsol.net  Fri Jul 23 09:13:25 2010
From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>

On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Have a look at this engine
> http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
>
>    
Looks like the text on the site needs an update.  He says he has not 
tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
line hooked up.  NEAT engine though.

Nels
Manitowoc WI


From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 09:29:35 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:29:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323D81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Yes, it appears he was trying to run it.

http://gasenginetom.com/images/Wooden_Engine_pic_1.jpg

Even the oiler is turned on in this picture.  Plus you can see the propane hose hooked up to the engine.

Would sure love to see some video of the governor working in this engine.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Johnsrud
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:13 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unusual engine

On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> Have a look at this engine
> http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
>
>    
Looks like the text on the site needs an update.  He says he has not 
tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
line hooked up.  NEAT engine though.

Nels
Manitowoc WI
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:37:36 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:37:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>


George,

 

lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen.  :(

 

Tom
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:01:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Nice pictures! One of these years I'll do something like that at my place. Just don't have a nice big building full of engine like you do ;-)
> 
> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:13 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house last weekend :) Good time had by all :)
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jul 23 09:49:41 2010
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:49:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>

Tom,
	Wished I could have made it.  I don't see any engines
runnging....but a lot of beer drinkin!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
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Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 11:13 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures



Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house
last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)


http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html

 

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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 10:00:22 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.

While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.

Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.

Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.

I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.

Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
George,

lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen.  :(

Tom
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> 
> George


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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:33:18 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:33:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Unusual engine
In-Reply-To: <4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<4C49BFA5.4020508@lsol.net>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w3208C1DEDFCCBEE0086DD5C2A30@phx.gbl>


some of those pictures are from the previous owner who didn't know much about engines and was trying to get it running but finally gave up on it.  Some day maybe I'll find the time to mess with it.  Right now it doesn't have much compression and that will have to be addressed first

 

Tom
 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:25 -0500
> From: gop4evr at lsol.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unusual engine
> 
> On 7/23/10 9:17 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> > Have a look at this engine
> > http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html
> >
> > 
> Looks like the text on the site needs an update. He says he has not 
> tried to start the engine, yet, some of the pictures clearly show an oil 
> can, redressed fittings, a propane torch to preheat the tube, and a gas 
> line hooked up. NEAT engine though.
> 
> Nels
> Manitowoc WI
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jul 23 10:37:29 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <6fb3f20dbf7d69674cee7c436a3efc92.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi George,

I agree that some throttlers (and some two-strokes) make some really sweet stack
music.  Included in that chorus would be my 7 hp Crossley (AKA Fat Bastard), my 5 hp
Petter "M", and the Bessemer half-breed when she's running slow and hitting every
time.

Last year at Portland Steve Webre turned me onto the sound of a 10 hp IHC "M". 
SWEET!!  I could listen to one of those all day.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, July 23, 2010 1:00 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be
> hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I
> do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle
> governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting
> cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat
> of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger
> engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 10:31:51 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:31:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>
References: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<E472C93CBDDC4509896D8831771DD054@laruecounty.courthouse>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w519DBFF5CC2AF84EE20714C2A30@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy,

 

We ran several engines inside the barn later in the day and yes there was alot of beer drinking that went on.  I think I finally went to bed about 4:30 in the morning  :)

 

Tom
 
> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:49:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> Tom,
> Wished I could have made it. I don't see any engines
> runnging....but a lot of beer drinkin!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 11:13 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my house
> last weekend :) Good time had by all :)
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jul 23 10:51:44 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:51:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1279900802.26920.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100723194809.01cf8168@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 23/07/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
><snip>
>Tom,
>         He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
>there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
>coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
>long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Judge, I FEEL for you! I've got a cat like that - he knows that he can 
twist my arm and I'll do anything he wants :-)



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 11:11:03 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:11:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?


I have two International 6hp M's and the are great running engines with a  
nice sound!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 12:57:08 2010
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:57:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>, ,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>, ,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>,
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>


What about the engines that coast against compression like Otto's and several other's.  :)  They aren't typical throtle governed engines but yet they only fire when they get fuel.

 

Personally I like em all !!!!   :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
> Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
> 
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers. Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines. Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
> 
> lol Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover. :) I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen. :(
> 
> Tom
> 
> > From: George_Best at adp.com
> > Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> > 
> > George
> 
> 
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 13:01:07 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:01:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <1f49d.69b37cfb.397b4f03@aol.com>

Oh gosh yes----they sound great---especially at VERY slow  idle---   I have 
a 8hp  Stover that I just re-done----I did not  have a good mixer, so I 
hung a Model-A Ford carb on it temporary and it  sounds  great!  Just got to 
get it back  original!!!     FUN stuff!
   Stan Zettner
     Pleasanton, Tx
      Old Stovers!!!
        


From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 23 13:16:47 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHAEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tom:

I, too, like throttle governed engines.  It takes a bit more work
to get them to run sweet but it's worth it to hear the slow and
constant chug, chug, chub, etc.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> Germoamer at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:11 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> George_Best at adp.com writes:
>
> Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
>
> I have two International 6hp M's and the are great
> running engines with a
> nice sound!
>
> Tom  Schmutz



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jul 23 13:35:21 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>, ,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>, ,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>,
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w445B6F0709C8523057D789C2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43324545@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

The Czech Benz and Lorenz engines also coast against compression, but they are still hit&miss.  

Engines like these still coast, but you don't hear the air movement like on the ones with the exhaust valve held open.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:57 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


What about the engines that coast against compression like Otto's and several other's.  :)  They aren't typical throtle governed engines but yet they only fire when they get fuel.

 

Personally I like em all !!!!   :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:00:22 -0500
> Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
> 
> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers. Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to larger engines. Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
> 
> lol Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover. :) I was hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the get together but that didn't happen. :(
> 
> Tom
> 
> > From: George_Best at adp.com
> > Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
> > 
> > George
> 
> 
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 13:39:51 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:39:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>

It is also fun to CONVERT the old hitt-miss to throttle  governed---even if 
it is just temporary----   sure is  easy on  the rod bearings etc etc
 Stan Zettner


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jul 23 14:12:48 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:12:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>
References: <21bcb.4df8199f.397b5817@aol.com>
Message-ID: <374AEB5E-A78C-4D00-ACF6-AD27B77F7E48@me.com>

WHY do you think it is "easier on the rod bearings?"
	Dave
PS, What is the "etc etc" to which you refer?

On Jul 23, 2010, at 4:39 PM, gastzt at aol.com wrote:

> It is also fun to CONVERT the old hitt-miss to throttle  governed--- 
> even if
> it is just temporary----   sure is  easy on  the rod bearings etc etc
> Stan Zettner
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jul 23 14:21:25 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:21:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43324545@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

George:

Don't forget the McVicker which coasts on compression, governed
by turning off the ignition when on the governor.  They are wierd
sounding engines, making some folks swear that they're 2-cycle.

The McVicker will also run either direction!

Check mine out at my web page and YouTube (username: Enginecoot)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:35 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
>
>
> The Czech Benz and Lorenz engines also coast against
> compression, but they are still hit&miss.
>
> Engines like these still coast, but you don't hear the
> air movement like on the ones with the exhaust valve held open.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Jul 23 15:25:48 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Steam
In-Reply-To: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <AJEFJOBJBOCDALIDIPGHMEDJCAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4C4A16EC.7000409@lbpinc.com>

  This year the Pageant of Steam 3349 Gehan Road, Canandaigua, New York 
is on August 11 thru 14

Many years is it is the same time as Portland.  This might be a good 
year to catch a good show.

Check it out here.
http://www.pageantofsteam.org/
http://www.pageantofsteam.org/2007pics.php

Frank

-- 
HONOR GOD
SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jul 23 15:27:19 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:27:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <7f0a.242e66fd.397b3537@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B72437BF0BE453A906D674070FF4EE8@regpc>


My 1hp Mogul has a sweet sound to it. It  gets fired up now and then.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


>
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 1:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> George_Best at adp.com writes:
>
> Anyone  else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
>
> I have two International 6hp M's and the are great running engines with a
> nice sound!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul 23 15:47:26 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:47:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <004a01cb2ab9$06445910$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

heresy!!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's 
> looks to be hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including 
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are 
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its 
> coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the 
> nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes 
> to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
>
> lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was 
> hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the 
> get together but that didn't happen.  :(
>
> Tom
>
>> From: George_Best at adp.com
>> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
>>
>> George
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jul 23 15:48:22 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:48:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100723194809.01cf8168@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <005d01cb2ab9$278b0650$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Meeeeeeeeyowwwwww!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] other hobbies/Kentucky runs


> At 06:00 PM 23/07/2010, you wrote:
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:56:52 -0400
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>><snip>
>>Tom,
>>         He'll never quit running to KY...he's found an old softie up
>>there that he knows he can take advantage of.  I've got a big shipment
>>coming in soon so I imagine he'll be making another trip before
>>long...ohhhh the pain I know I'll feel....
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
> 
> Judge, I FEEL for you! I've got a cat like that - he knows that he can 
> twist my arm and I'll do anything he wants :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jul 23 16:12:51 2010
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:12:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<004a01cb2ab9$06445910$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A6879049C8223@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

When did throttle governed engines start to gain prominence over hit&miss governed engines?
  Jim K

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mike Royster
Sent: Fri 7/23/2010 6:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound



heresy!!!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound


> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's
> looks to be hit&miss.
>
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
>
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
>
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its
> coasting cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the
> nice steady beat of my 18hp Stover.
>
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes
> to larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
> George,
>
> lol  Hopefully soon I'll have some time to dig into the Stover.  :)  I was
> hoping that someone would want to tear into it and grab a wrench at the
> get together but that didn't happen.  :(
>
> Tom
>
>> From: George_Best at adp.com
>> Hurry up and find a serial number on your 18hp Stover.
>>
>> George
>
>
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the
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> notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 23 16:26:02 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:26:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine get together pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100723232550.04A903042C3@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

G'day Tom, gotta love those shed days. Have had a couple of small 
social days like that here.  Plenty of beers and good mates. Lifes good
Russell



At 01:13 AM 24/07/2010, you wrote:


>Here are some pictures from the engine get together I had at my 
>house last weekend  :)  Good time had by all  :)
>
>
>http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Get_Together_2010.html
>
>
>
>Tom Winland
>
>Ohio
>
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>with Hotmail.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 16:26:28 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:26:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7c296.2d2dea5d.397b7f24@aol.com>

Hey George---I'm with you on that one!   Those small  ones are a blast to 
watch---and listen to---LOL!   They are all   better than ANY TV show for 
sure---ha!
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx


From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jul 23 16:28:52 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:28:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
In-Reply-To: <001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
References: <8B122A3E5EB74E498BA0E4D768C1202A@peterlowe>
	<D0656846-AC5E-4916-8AB0-E89DC88C11EE@me.com>
	<7DE2CE63-DAF2-43AD-A030-CB9DED101613@rustyiron.com>
	<A95532B3C792416197F3010ED36EAE74@regpc>
	<001b01cb28c0$2c3edbe0$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20100723232839.992463B4607@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Carmel and I always thought Arnie hid is age well. He may well be 
Daves twin brother ....
Russell


At 08:33 PM 21/07/2010, you wrote:
>Well, you can't argue with facts!!!
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
>
>
> >I think you have outdone Mike Royster with this offering!! Grin.
> > Reg & Marg Ingold
> > Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address keeps bouncing
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:18 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Who is this Arnie Fero?
> >>> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Dave.
> >>
> >> This is what Wikipedia says:
> >>
> >> Arnold H. "Novoboy" Fero (born April 15, 1940) is an American nuclear
> >> power theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S.
> >> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as
> >> well as his current work in environmentalism, green power reform, and
> >> gay rights. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-
> >> described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of
> >> bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, motivated by U.S.
> >> involvement in the Vietnam War. He is now a professor in the College
> >> of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the
> >> titles of Distinguished Professor of Environmentalism and Senior
> >> University Scholar.  During the 2008 Presidential campaign, a
> >> controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 16:30:02 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:30:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
Message-ID: <7c517.481afefb.397b7ffa@aol.com>

Hey Tom--
  yooooo are soooo right--they are ALL  a  blast!  Thank goodness for a 
GOOD variety----sure keeps the shows from  being dull for sure--LOL!
       The concession-stands do  a GREAT job also------ha!
 Stan


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 17:42:07 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:42:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <C87073FF.540E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have a real soft spot for my big Stover 6hp vertical throttler. It is a
real sweet runner. The real issue is it putting me to sleep at rallies with
its nice even beat.
A big throttler running well is a joy to listen to. The issue with
throttlers is that they are often not running right at rallies and often
sound like a bad hit and miss engine.
Patrick


On 24/7/10 3:00 AM, "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> Tom and I both have 18hp Stovers.  Mine is throttle governed and Tom's looks
> to be hit&miss.
> 
> While I know most people prefer hit&miss over throttle governed, including
> myself, I do think that in some cases I prefer throttled over hit&miss.
> 
> Almost all of my collection is hit&miss but two of my largest engines are
> throttle governed, and I think I actually prefer them that way.
> 
> Last month I saw a 22hp Stover hit&miss running and going through its coasting
> cycles and it really didn't do anything for me. I much prefer the nice steady
> beat of my 18hp Stover.
> 
> I think that I've acquired a taste for the nice steady beat when it comes to
> larger engines.  Small engines still need to be hit&miss for me.
> 
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?
> 
> George
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jul 23 18:22:47 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:22:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Throttled vs hit&miss sound
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>,
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>,
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<SNT131-w3222A858754AB2A134264FC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323E81@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <7B649D82-A940-47EB-9E23-680CF9CB9EDF@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 23, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Best, George wrote:
>
> Anyone else developed a liking for throttle governed?


I won't go as far as to say that I prefer TG, but I like our  
Commercial, which is TG.  When I throttle it back, the exhaust is VERY  
quiet.  We old guys with bad hearing prefer quiet engines.

Rob





From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Sat Jul 24 00:38:20 2010
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:38:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] info on tail light indicator
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5BE415FDDDC34249A86DC20A10AC839F@shack>


Hi all
 
A friend is restoring a 47 ford Ute, and on the dash it has a taillight
indicator can anyone tell us how it works or what it was for?
Sort of looks like a relay but not it has a moving plate that uncovers a
slotted hole in the front. Bloody hard to describe 
Look for any ideas on it 

Thanks Alan 
 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jul 25 19:18:17 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad
	.adp.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>


Hi All,
  With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone 
that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil 
testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil 
really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old 
mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to 
find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is. 
Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Jul 25 19:59:35 2010
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony Kimmell)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:59:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
Message-ID: <1139445221-1280113176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995880209-@bda2235.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Mark,
Try looking up Blackstone Labs.  They make and analyze oil analysis kits and could probably test it for you.

www.bobistheoilguy.com is also a good site to check.  Many oil-gurus on there...

-Tony


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 26 08:42:26 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:42:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Mark,

When used at the recommended dilution of 50,000:1,
does it really matter?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - You had to see that coming, right?

On Sun, July 25, 2010 10:18 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
>   With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone
> that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil
> testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil
> really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old
> mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to
> find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is.
> Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark





From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 26 09:04:47 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:04:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>



         Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would 
ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 
1  That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark

At 11:42 AM 7/26/2010, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>When used at the recommended dilution of 50,000:1,
>does it really matter?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - You had to see that coming, right?
>
>On Sun, July 25, 2010 10:18 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >
> >   With all the people on the list here I am hoping to find someone
> > that is in a position some place so that I could beg a bit of oil
> > testing. What I want to know is what Maytag Special Multi-Motor oil
> > really is. I was told a long time ago that it is just plain old
> > mineral oil. Yes baby oil but without the perfume. I would like to
> > find out for sure what it is. And if possible what grade of MO it is.
> > Is there some way to do this testing myself?   Help,   Mark
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jul 26 09:40:38 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Does the axe need to be removed before the starting attempt?  8-))

On Mon, July 26, 2010 12:04 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>          Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would
> ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
> Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 1
> That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 26 10:07:19 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:07:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Testing Oil For Maytag
In-Reply-To: <b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <10CB54C200114D7EB28150E4E788CC7C@peterlowe>
	<SNT131-w387F9069F7697D38EE70BFC2A30@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43323C6A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20100726021813.583969308@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<25324ace85e8623c0f85788167287b5d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20100726160444.037789327@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<b77f024c3d5e76c90799cd560287cb9a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20100726170715.7013892F5@smtp.wcoil.com>

Depends upon your intentions. If its hot out and the air is still I 
would say no. If you need the axe to chase away other Taggers , 
yes,  GRINNNNN   Maytag Mark    SEE YA AT FINDlAY!!!!


At 12:40 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote:
>Does the axe need to be removed before the starting attempt?  8-))
>
>On Mon, July 26, 2010 12:04 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> >          Yah as a matter of fact I was thinking the Evil One would
> > ask why bother to test? They don't run any way.
> > Bring yours to Findlay and we will try your recommended 50,000 to 1
> > That is if we can get it started, they don't run ya know. GRINNN, Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jul 27 16:04:32 2010
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:04:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] dess scott
Message-ID: <6C6783B9F79D4DDD9C97B789257F7BD1@Edd>

I need to contact Dess Scott in Newcastle NSW.I know he lurks on the 
lists.Maybe you can help me Reg.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 28 05:28:39 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:28:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
Message-ID: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>

Hi guys
Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a current email address OFF LIST please.
His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying when people do not notify change of address.


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 28 13:45:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:45:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
In-Reply-To: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>

Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
there is a reason for it!
	Dave
PS, Just a thought!

On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi guys
> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
> current email address OFF LIST please.
> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
> when people do not notify change of address.
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jul 28 14:10:40 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:10:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
	<6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>
Message-ID: <7033CC335963423985B1AF0E442BF075@peterlowe>

You mean, IRS, CIA, FBI etc Dave !!!
Peter





> Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
> there is a reason for it!
> Dave
> PS, Just a thought!
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
>> current email address OFF LIST please.
>> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
>> when people do not notify change of address.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
> _______________________________________________
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jul 28 14:57:29 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:57:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa
References: <DF90F64FAA2F4D6A8C45F4E0CC7DCFB8@peterlowe>
	<6CF50122-CCF0-4200-A526-8FBA8845A7C4@me.com>
Message-ID: <5532C0D2850442A69637549C0B6CB3D8@regpc>

On form this morning Dave!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Robert Campbell - Iowa


> Hi Peter, When I change e-addresses and do not inform certain people  
> there is a reason for it!
> Dave
> PS, Just a thought!
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Looking for Robert (Bob) Campbell of Iowa, anyone know of him and a  
>> current email address OFF LIST please.
>> His email was ecarts at prairieinet.net but now bounces, very annoying  
>> when people do not notify change of address.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 12:59:30 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
Message-ID: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. Can anyone help me out.
My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a fun project.
Thanks in advance,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jul 30 13:38:33 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:38:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
Message-ID: <20100730.133918.989.268101@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>

 Hi Joe.
Was it this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that 
> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling 
> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. 
> Can anyone help me out.
> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a 
> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a 
> fun project.
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." 
> Spike Milligan
____________________________________________________________
LCD 42&#34; TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c53387f3dfdb4bc8a4st06vuc


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 17:22:52 2010
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <20100730.133918.989.268101@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set of trucks and hope to imitate it.
Thanks,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:


From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM


Hi Joe.
Was it this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that 
> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling 
> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him. 
> Can anyone help me out.
> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a 
> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a 
> fun project.
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." 
> Spike Milligan
____________________________________________________________
LCD 42" TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c53387f3dfdb4bc8a4st06vuc
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 31 06:36:52 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:36:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <630853.45412.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32A1AA04-1D47-477B-9651-CD7DD6B325D0@me.com>

Hi Joe, You will have much trouble attempting "to imitate it.I Why not  
just try to make one like it?
	Dave

On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:

> YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set  
> of trucks and hope to imitate it.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."  
> Spike Milligan
>
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
> Hi Joe.
> Was it this?
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that
>> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling
>> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him.
>> Can anyone help me out.
>> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a
>> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a
>> fun project.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."
>> Spike Milligan
> ____________________________________________________________
> LCD 42" TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
> Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c53387f3dfdb4bc8a4st06vuc
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 12:18:25 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
In-Reply-To: <32A1AA04-1D47-477B-9651-CD7DD6B325D0@me.com>
Message-ID: <630149.93989.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I didn't ask if Joe was a shape shifter because I just knew you would have input here, Dave.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 7/31/10, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 9:36 AM


Hi Joe, You will have much trouble attempting "to imitate it.I Why not? 
just try to make one like it?
??? Dave

On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:

> YES it was! Thank you so much. I really like the looks of that set? 
> of trucks and hope to imitate it.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."? 
> Spike Milligan
>
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Engine trucks with Ackerman steering
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:38 PM
>
>
> Hi Joe.
> Was it this?
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/WitteCart#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> A while back someone had posted some photos of an engine trucks that
>> they built using Ackerman (automotive type) steering. I was telling
>> a friend about it and I can't seem to find a link to forward to him.
>> Can anyone help me out.
>> My friend has a vertical R&V engine that we would like to build a
>> set of trucks for and I thought that the auto steer would be kind a
>> fun project.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."
>> Spike Milligan
> ____________________________________________________________
> LCD 42" TV for $26.42? Macbook Pro for $91.73?
> Are these prices real? You WON'T Believe What We Found!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c53387f3dfdb4bc8a4st06vuc
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>
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