From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Feb  2 04:50:48 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:50:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
Message-ID: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch marksman and
and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this morning?????
Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
Curt


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 05:22:45 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:22:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
Message-ID: <30b5.4c566892.38998125@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2010 7:59:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

top  notch marksman and
and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil 


Careful Curt, Peta has gotten involved and wants Phil to be  substituted 
with a robot so that he does not have to live in an  air-conditioned 
environment in the summer and a heated one in the winter.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Feb  2 05:57:53 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:57:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4B682F61.6060606@xplornet.com>

Hello Curt,
	It's cloudy up here at the moment with kind of ice fog in the air. Temp 
is 13F with 60% chance of snow today. Does that mean winter is over for 
us? :-)

Rupert

On 2/2/2010 5:50 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch marksman and
> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this morning?????
> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
> Curt
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 11:35:05 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:35:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
Message-ID: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>

I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept promising a
couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally got around
to it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

through to

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Feb  2 12:19:10 2010
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:19:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>

Hi Peter,

Both of the links do not work.  can you take a look?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists


I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept 
promising a
couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally 
got around
to it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

through to

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From weolson at wiktel.com  Tue Feb  2 12:36:12 2010
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:36:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <971804418.20100202143612@wiktel.com>

Hi Listerdiesel,

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 1:35:05 PM, you wrote:

L> I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept promising a
L> couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally got around
L> to it:

L> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

L> through to

L> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

L> Peter

Here's what I got when I tried:  
The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. 

-- 
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Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 13:28:13 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:28:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2 February 2010 20:19, Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Both of the links do not work. ?can you take a look?
>
> Jim

Oh, the joys of getting old ! :-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R3.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R4.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R5.jpg

Left out the 'Misc' folder in the url, sorry!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb  2 16:20:12 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:20:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>

Hi Peter, That good looking chick that you sleep with has been telling  
me of some of your other FAILURES as well of late!
	Dave
PS, Will you be at Portland this year?
PPS, If you can't make it could you please send your wife and her  
sister? Thanks!
PPPS, Thanks also for the O&R parts list!

On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> Oh, the joys of getting old ! :-))
>
>
> Peter


From ivancou at windstream.net  Tue Feb  2 17:09:06 2010
From: ivancou at windstream.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:09:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com><DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop><6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
Message-ID: <95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>

Better than parts lists ,I have gasket sets and a few NOS parts and a 
dealers manual . Ivan 




From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb  2 19:27:15 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:27:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
	<95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>
Message-ID: <8EA290C8-C29B-4994-A81B-D80DDB229118@me.com>

THANK YOU Peter for the parts list!
	Dave

On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Ivan Cousins wrote:

> Better than parts lists ,I have gasket sets and a few NOS parts and a
> dealers manual . Ivan



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 00:16:14 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:16:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002030016v2a1a69ddlb913fecc6226b1cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 February 2010 00:20, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter, That good looking chick that you sleep with has been telling
> me of some of your other FAILURES as well of late!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, Will you be at Portland this year?
> PPS, If you can't make it could you please send your wife and her
> sister? Thanks!
> PPPS, Thanks also for the O&R parts list!

LOL!

I guess we all have to get there sooner or later, just creeps up on you.... :-))

Rita sends her best, and we do hope to be at Portland this year. The
search is on for a suitably sized King Dick tool (can we say that on a
family mailing list?) for the Charity Auction.

After a lousy trading year in 2009, the factory order book is picking
up well, so we will likely be too busy to make it to Zolfo, which is a
pity as we enjoyed last year's visit.

Catch you later,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Feb  3 12:50:42 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:50:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

WAY too many State Troopers, TV Fluff Chicks, the Inner Circle, and 100,000 or his
closest friends.  Not a good idea...

On Tue, February 2, 2010 7:50 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch
> marksman and
> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this
> morning?????
> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
> Curt




From rotigel at me.com  Wed Feb  3 13:03:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:03:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <015D7FAC-2A46-48F1-8AB2-B7D93645F2DD@me.com>

Flywheelers in three weeks and Zolfo follows the next week. What's the  
problem?
	Dave

On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> WAY too many State Troopers, TV Fluff Chicks, the Inner Circle, and  
> 100,000 or his
> closest friends.  Not a good idea...
>
> On Tue, February 2, 2010 7:50 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed  
>> to be top notch
>> marksman and
>> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head  
>> out this
>> morning?????
>> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
>> Curt
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  6 08:08:01 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:08:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

Yesterday, to my disgust, my "Free" hit counter reset itself back by about 15,000 hits and wouldn't let me correct it.  Short story, I deleted it.

Now, I'd like some kind of counter that I can use.  The free one required visiting their site to download the new number and I've always been a bit nervous about that little feature because of security and load time issues.

Does anyone have a source of code or a simple (cheap!) little routine I can add to my web page to keep hits "in the family"?  I use hit count to make sure the site is worth the effort.  Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.

Thanks!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  6 07:23:41 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:23:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <47b5fa360cb08c7dd58df632d264e326.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Elden,

Take a look on http://www.tucows.com .  I did a search for "web site hit counter"
and there were loads; both freeware and shareware.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, February 6, 2010 11:08 am, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Now, I'd like some kind of counter that I can use.  The free one required visiting
> their site to download the new number and I've always been a bit nervous about that
> little feature because of security and load time issues.
>
> Does anyone have a source of code or a simple (cheap!) little routine I can add to
> my web page to keep hits "in the family"?  I use hit count to make sure the site is
> worth the effort.  Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 09:30:44 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:30:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
>?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Take care - Elden

The hit counters register visitors passing through the page where
their code is located, they don't appear to have any way to register
visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.

We've had one for years, but the figures are meaningless unless you
can have ALL the visitor information.

Ours is provided free by www.statcounter.com.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  6 17:05:22 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:05:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the URL!  I'm fiddling with it now.

I know that, if you've been using it for a while, it MUST be good!   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
> 
> 
> On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand 
> <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if 
> anyone uses the site.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> The hit counters register visitors passing 
> through the page where
> their code is located, they don't appear to have 
> any way to register
> visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
> 
> We've had one for years, but the figures are 
> meaningless unless you
> can have ALL the visitor information.
> 
> Ours is provided free by www.statcounter.com.
> 
> Peter




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 19:01:08 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My club website
In-Reply-To: <4B645DBC.2050009@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <695915.19307.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The only thing?I didn't like about the site is the web address does not change 
between the pages. It all happens there.
All that means is it is hard to copy the link to email someone to send them a 
direct link to that sweet car that is for sale.
Other than that I really like the site.
AND, I am here on stupid IE

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com> wrote:


From: Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:26 AM


Jerry,
Nice website.? The only thing that I noticed was that the 
title-origin-banner at the top of the page seemed to blend in to the 
whole page and not stand out much.? Possibly adding color to the graphic 
, or it may just be my older monitor.


-- 
<< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>

Jerry Evans wrote:

> 
>? ? ? ? ? I'd really appreciate some criticism and input.
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 00:05:28 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:05:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 February 2010 01:05, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for the URL! ?I'm fiddling with it now.
>
> I know that, if you've been using it for a while, it MUST be good! ? :-)
>
> Take care - Elden

We were interested initially in seeing what kind of response we were
getting, and we can still log onto their site and check the details,
but 90% of the visitors to our websites go directly to a page that has
been listed, rather than go all the way through the main index page,
so what you get back is only part of the story.

The last check showed the following:

Page Loads	Unique Visitors	First Time Visitors	Returning Visitors
Total	                       443	          327	      282	                  45
Average	                55	           41	        35	                   6

Day	      Date	       Page Loads	Unique Visitors	First Time
Visitors	Returning Visitors
Sunday	7th Feb	    17	                             11	            9	
                         2
Saturday	6th Feb	    46	                             38	
31	                            7
Friday	5th Feb	    45	                             35	            32	
                          3
Thursday	4th Feb         64	                             44	
 36	                            8
Wednesday 3rd Feb	    65	                             47	
41	                            6
Tuesday	2nd Feb	    80	                             62	            55	
                           7
Monday	1st Feb	    50	                             40	            36	
                          4
Sunday	31st Jan	    76	                             50	            42
	                    8

Hopefully that won't get too screwed by the browsers!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 00:10:04 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:10:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002070010x4dc3dac0q55d314815217a8aa@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 February 2010 08:05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hopefully that won't get too screwed by the browsers!

It did!

I did a screendump and put it up on one of the websites:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/WebsiteDump.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Feb  7 02:42:08 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:42:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT question please
Message-ID: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>

Hi all
Off topic - does anyone in these two group subscribe to ancestry.com that could look something up for me with me having to subscribe.
I am trying to help an old gentleman, who is dying of cancer, find his great great grand father's details.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From bethell at internode.on.net  Sun Feb  7 23:13:12 2010
From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:13:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT question please
In-Reply-To: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>
References: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <C2B8C937F826473593943FD0504E2C39@bethell>

Peter,
Send me the details and I will see what I can find as I am also researching 
and have contacts who may help out.
regards
Jim
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<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT question please


> Hi all
> Off topic - does anyone in these two group subscribe to ancestry.com that 
> could look something up for me with me having to subscribe.
> I am trying to help an old gentleman, who is dying of cancer, find his 
> great great grand father's details.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 14:46:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:46:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1265562002.27587.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207223448.00cfdd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 07/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:30:44 +0000
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
><snip>
>On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.
> > Thanks!>
> > Take care - Elden
>
>The hit counters register visitors passing through the page where
>their code is located, they don't appear to have any way to register
>visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
>
>We've had one for years, but the figures are meaningless unless you
>can have ALL the visitor information.

Hi Elden and Peter,
         (**** APOLOGY to other list members - this is not about engines 
and will only be of interest to guys who spend time developing their 
(engine) webpages. Apologies but the "delete" key is right there on the 
bottom right hand side of most keyboards - use it!*** not you Jim D there 
is a question for you lower down :-))

         On my Oldengine page I have also made use of a few of the "hit 
counters" offered as freebies by many sites on the net but as Peter 
mentions they only work on the particular page that they are placed on 
(there may be others available that I do not have experience with). They 
are great when you put up a new page (with a counter on that page) and send 
the link (to that page) to (say) the lists. As you (Elden) mentioned they 
let you know if people are really interested in what you have to say.

         In my experience of the "free counters" I have found the following 
drawbacks
         i) You have to give your e-mail address to register or receive the 
code (not all of them but their spiders will find it on your site) - this 
leads to an increase in spam sent to you. (Nothing is free - they sell your 
address to spammers to cover their costs and make a profit). This is easy 
to overcome by getting a free email addy from someone like hotmail and 
giving it a unique and recognizable name like 
"register-freecount at hotmail.com". Use this address when signing up and when 
spam gets delivered to this account you know where it came from.

         ii) Some of them only allow the use of the code on one page. When 
you put up another page you have to set up a different false e-mail address 
to do so. O.K., it's not a major problem, if you're prepared to do that 
then it's fine.

         iii) Again, as mentioned by Peter, anyone clicking on the link 
that you send by e-mail will only be counted as a hit on that page. This is 
fine for most of us but it will not reflect actual "hits" on your site - 
ie. anyone entering through your front page from a search engine or website 
link.

         Having said that, I do not want to be totally negative - the free 
counters are useful and will allow you to see information that you want 
(Does anyone look at my page?)- just understand that nothing is "free" and 
you will (in most cases) get extra spam but that can be overcome.

         (Maybe I'm just obsessed with spam but I'm very proud of the fact 
that I've had my main e-mail address from early internet days, somewhere 
about 1991/2 or thereabouts and am in a constant fight against spam. This 
address is on many spam lists but I do not want to delete it so spend a lot 
of time writing "rules" on the server. Just one of my idiosyncrasies !)

         ***(Engine guys, if you ignored my previous warning, I strongly 
advise you to use that "delete" button now :-) except you Jim D )***

         O.K. away from free counters. Nothing beats proper web site 
statistics. On my business site as well as the new Club site our web 
hosting company supplies really good statistics (from a third party 
company) probably very similar to the graph the Peter supplied. In these 
stats I can see so much data - I can see I.P. addresses that the request 
for my page came from, hits per week, hits per day, hits per hour, did the 
hit's come from bookmarks or search engines, which search engines indexed 
the site, how often and when and many more stats. but that's irrelevant to 
our discussion.

         Now my question to Jim but first let me once again thank you, Jim 
Dunmeyer, for the tremendous gift that you give us engine people by 
allowing us to place our websites on Oldengine.org with no restrictions, no 
advertising, no nonsense. I probably understand what this costs you more 
than most.

         Jim, on my business website, the provider has a very small CGI 
script that I can place on any page and it puts a counter on that page (the 
same as all the free counters but without the spam)(you can "view 
source"  on <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/nav.html>    near the bottom). This 
counter only works on the page it is placed on (as mentioned) and is not 
part of the aforementioned "web site statistics". I can put it on any page 
of the site (same code) and it will place a counter there independent of 
any other counters on the site. The advantage being that I do not need to 
register (and receive spam). Does the "Oldengine.org" server support cgi 
and do they have a script (and the corresponding files on the server) like 
this available that we could use without costing you anything extra?

         That's all for now, apologies for the long uninteresting (to most) 
post but as we all know "S**t H*****s". :-) ( I did warn you to use the 
"Delete" button!!!)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 12:32:55 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:32:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our club website /follow up. (maybe O.T.)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207212001.03bf1008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A big thank you to everyone who replied to my original post (both 
on and off list). Apologies that I have not replied earlier but I've been 
pretty busy this last week.

         One problem that was pointed out to me was that the banner on top 
was disappearing off the right hand side of the screen when viewed with 
monitors set to 1024 x 768 - this was immediately fixed.

         Another BIG THANK YOU to all of those who logged onto the page. 
The website stats (not the counter now installed on the front page - the 
actual detailed stats provided by our hosting company) showed a marked 
increase in "hits" from the time I sent that mail out to the lists which 
lasted for about 3 days. The graphs really skyrocketed. When I printed 
these out and showed them to the club they earned me many "pats on the 
back" and congratulations <big grin>. Many thanks guys and gals. You can 
always rely on engine people!

         Also, possibly due to the surge in traffic "Googlebot" and 
"Yahoo's Slurper" (these are the automated robot programmes used by Google 
and Yahoo) have been hitting the site about 10 times a day - that's great 
for a website owner and has to do with your search engine rankings. 
Previously they were hitting far less frequently.

         Now for everyone that asked me to include links to their sites. I 
have done this and hope I have not left anyone out. If you asked, check the 
page again <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/> and I've forgotten to add yours 
please drop me a mail off list and I'll get it done immediately. (I expect 
reciprocal links :-). That also goes for anyone else who would like a link 
to their site added.

         Talking about links - link pages can sometimes be very boring but 
there is a reason why they are important to website owners. Google and 
other search engines use the number of external links (That's the number of 
links to "your page" that they find on other peoples pages) in determining 
your ranking (it may only be a small part of their equation but "every 
little bit helps" when you are trying to get better search engine 
listings). So if anyone would like to do me a favour then please add links 
to both my own site on Oldengine.org  <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/> as 
well as our club site <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/> I would appreciate it. 
Drop me an "off list" mail and I'll reciprocate by adding your link to the 
above 2 sites. If your "Links" page uses a "pic" let me know and I'll 
supply these as well. Many thanks.

         Why are search engine rankings important? Because you can really 
impress your mates when you type a string like "Wolseley engine south 
africa" into Google's search box and your site comes first in the listings 
<Extra big smile> (try it). Or even "Wolseley WD9". It even works in Google 
images !!

         O.K. that's all for now. many thanks once again, you are the best.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 11:23:56 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:23:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] My club website/Answers O.T.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1265562002.27587.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207195903.00d04bb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 07/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:01:08 -0800 (PST)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <695915.19307.qm at web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>The only thing?I didn't like about the site is the web address does not 
>change
>between the pages. It all happens there.
>All that means is it is hard to copy the link to email someone to send them a
>direct link to that sweet car that is for sale.
>Other than that I really like the site.
>AND, I am here on stupid IE
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:26 AM
>
>
>Jerry,
>Nice website.? The only thing that I noticed was that the
>title-origin-banner at the top of the page seemed to blend in to the
>whole page and not stand out much.? Possibly adding color to the graphic
>, or it may just be my older monitor.
>
>
>--
><< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> >
> >? ? ? ? ? I'd really appreciate some criticism and input.


Hi Alan,Bob, and all,

         First let me answer Alan's question. You are correct Alan that it 
only shows the index in the address bar. This is because the site uses 
frames and the page you log on to <index.html> only contains what is known 
as the "frameset". Thereafter, all links clicked from the "menu" which is 
positioned in the left hand frame open in the right hand frame - the whole 
page and menu do not reload every time you click a link - only the frame 
that you are viewing in the right hand frame loads and changes. The reason 
I did this is that the javascript menu (in the left frame) is fairly big 
(Kilobytes) (Currently only about 200 Kbytes but it will grow with time) 
and is the slowest loading part of the site - many of our club members (as 
well  as others overseas) still have slow connections so this is better for 
them as they do not have to wait for the menu to reload every time they 
click a link.

         There are many "Pros & Cons" to using frames and what you 
mentioned is one of the "cons". If you could copy the link of one of the 
content pages and send it to your mate he would arrive directly at that 
page but not contained in the "Frameset" and would have no way of looking 
at the rest of the site from there. There are "javascripts" available that 
will force a visitor coming from such a link to the page to be reloaded 
within the frameset but I have not got there yet. It will happen soon.

         One small point however, If you were using a "decent" browser like 
Firefox instead of that Microsoft rubbish you would have the option of 
right clicking on any particular frame and then viewing only that frame - 
then it's easy to bookmark or copy the link to that page :-)   (Also, IE 
does not render the colours of our page correctly for some unexplained 
reason) Use Firefox it's a million times better :-)

O.K. Now for Bob's answer:
         Hi Bob,
         No it is not because of your older monitor. The page and banner 
was designed to look like that with the banner blending into the background 
- almost as if it were embossed on a sheet of paper (or a plastered and 
painted wall). It is the theme used throughout the site. If you log on 
again <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za> and look at the new section in the menu 
"Trading Post" /Services you will see more pics done that way.
         It may not be everyone's "cup of tea" but it is different and part 
of the general design of the site.
         Thank you for taking the time to reply, that's what I asked people 
to do and your answer was appreciated.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb  7 19:07:38 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:07:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207223448.00cfdd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEIFIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Thanks for your informative post!  I've been doing my web page for five years or so and still learn something new all the time.

Peter says the counter that he recommended is good and that's the one I'm using now.  They offer stats, etc. and I'll see what I can glean from them.   They also allow entering the code in multiple pages.  I may do that to all the pages eventually just to see what I can get away with lopping-off for more popular topics.  This will also save space on Jim's server.

Thanks for linking my page.  I've returned the favor.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 04:47 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
> >
> >The hit counters register visitors passing 
> through the page where
> >their code is located, they don't appear to have 
> any way to register
> >visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
> >
> >We've had one for years, but the figures are 
> meaningless unless you
> >can have ALL the visitor information.

.....................snippety snip........................




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 09:52:35 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:52:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mawdsley's / Lister History
Message-ID: <6f6025161002080952x58a1ae40we00497ac382f52ef@mail.gmail.com>

Found this while looking for soething else (as you do!)

Thought that it might be of interest, and also corrects my wrong
spelling of the company name :-))

http://www.dursleyglos.org.uk/downloads/miscellaneous/mawdsleys_history.pdf

I dealt with them in the 1970's when they produced 110V 1000A dynamos
for the Film & TV industries, mainly for running 110V DC Arc Lights
(Mole-Richardson 'Brutes' - 25kW ) and regular filament light up to
10kW each,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:06:36 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:06:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
Message-ID: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>



The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been replicated in New Zealand.See it run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Feb  8 14:32:13 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:32:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100208173111.0d4cc200@ncweb.com>

Absolutely brilliant!

Dave Merchant


At 03:06 PM 2/8/2010, you wrote:


>The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been 
>replicated in New Zealand.See it 
>run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action
>
>Bruce Younger
>
>05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
>
>Madison, SD
>
>sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted
>armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
>thereafter."
>
>E. Hemingway
>
>
>
>
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Feb  8 14:38:09 2010
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:38:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
References: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A6879040DAEF7@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

I've seen Gnome rotary engines run but not one of these.
  Jim K.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
Sent: Mon 2/8/2010 3:06 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?





The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been replicated in New Zealand.See it run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action

Bruce Younger  

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68  

Madison, SD 

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From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  8 14:59:10 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
Message-ID: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,
After? a long absence I just had to come back to ask a few questions from the experts.? You see, I'm involved in restoring (more like un-mothballing) a couple of Fairbanks Morse model 47 diesels.? These are the big ones, 14"x18".? One is a single?75hp and right beside it is a double 150hp both direct coupled to alternators.? They are in their original positions in a powerhouse here in SW Michigan.? Our intent is to get them fully functional, powering various decorative lighting at a restored amusement park/museum.
We have found a wealth of information on everything except the engines and associated parts, thus the questions.
Does anyone have any knowledge on the 47's?? There are manuals and all sorts of information on the model 'Y's but I haven't found anything on the 47's.? In fact the only other one I have any knowledge of is at Coolspring Power Museum.? I sent an e-mail to them for help this weekend.
Most of the operation of the engine is straight forward but I need to know if the fuel transfer pump from the tank supplied any pressure to the injector pump or was it just flow?? If it was just flow then how was pressure supplied to the blowtorches for starting, and how much?? Was it just a couple of inches or 10lbs??? They seem to have been tied right into the fuel supply to the filter on the engine thus the confusion.
Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I realize our terminology is much different than it was in the '30's.
Is there supposed to be a chimney around the 'glow plug'?? I can't see how it should have been as the plug is immediately below the injector.? It just seems there should be some sort of something to direct the heat away from the injector.
?I appreciate all your help and?as soon as I am able I will send pictures.? The building is in a state of disarray but it to will be restored to it's art-deco splendor in the near future.
Thanks,
David Myers
Paw Paw, MI


      

From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Feb  8 16:27:55 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:27:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

.......................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI




From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  8 17:07:07 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <659702.27562.qm@web55903.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thank you Eldon.? We'll give it a try.? 
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 7:27 PM


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

........................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

.......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 18:10:21 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:10:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002001caa92d$089c3d80$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Regular Diesel will be just fine.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

.......................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  8 18:48:39 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:48:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe389cc9b974154c4c3c50f1c0163f26.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi David,

Have you seen this video clip of the one at Coolspring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, February 8, 2010 5:59 pm, David Myers wrote:
> Hi guys,
> After? a long absence I just had to come back to ask a few questions from the
> experts.? You see, I'm involved in restoring (more like un-mothballing) a couple of
> Fairbanks Morse model 47 diesels.? These are the big ones, 14"x18".? One is a
> single?75hp and right beside it is a double 150hp both direct coupled to
> alternators.? They are in their original positions in a powerhouse here in SW
> Michigan.? Our intent is to get them fully functional, powering various decorative
> lighting at a restored amusement park/museum.
> We have found a wealth of information on everything except the engines and
> associated parts, thus the questions.
> Does anyone have any knowledge on the 47's?? There are manuals and all sorts of
> information on the model 'Y's but I haven't found anything on the 47's.? In fact the
> only other one I have any knowledge of is at Coolspring Power Museum.? I sent an
> e-mail to them for help this weekend.




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Feb  8 18:50:35 2010
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
References: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01caa932$a8894db0$b4d34c0c@D48VHZ61>


 Don't know the models but both the shows at Reidsville, NC and Denton, NC 
have big Fairbanks diesels. The engine at the Reidsville show actually makes 
the electricity to pull their sawmill. I don't know who to contact but would 
imagine these shows are in any current show listing.
What's the chance Fairbanks still has info. on these? I believe Fairbanks is 
owned by Colt industries but am not certain.

John Hall



From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 07:02:43 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:02:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
Message-ID: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/8/2010 8:49:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA


WOW!  Nice clip---thanks sooo much
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx
 
 
old stovers!!!


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb  9 07:52:14 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:52:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>
References: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54ebaacb0f10213f087dfc2fa31744ee.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Sadly the clip just doesn't do justice to the wonderful deep
thump-thump-thump of the exhaust.  True stack music.

You NEED to visit Coolspring and enjoy it in person.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 10:02 am, gastzt at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA
> WOW!  Nice clip---thanks sooo much
>  Stan - Pleasanton, Tx





From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 08:21:07 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:21:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <54ebaacb0f10213f087dfc2fa31744ee.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



Arnie-san,? Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
? When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?? Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 7:52 AM


Sadly the clip just doesn't do justice to the wonderful deep
thump-thump-thump of the exhaust.? True stack music.

You NEED to visit Coolspring and enjoy it in person.

See ya,? Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 10:02 am, gastzt at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA
> WOW!? Nice clip---thanks sooo much
>? Stan - Pleasanton, Tx



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb  9 10:20:54 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:20:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d0a5aa1e380a74c580e9936e19783afb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Konichiwa Young-san,

Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

I hope to see you there.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>
> Arnie-san,? Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year??
> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.




From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:14:10 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:14:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <fe389cc9b974154c4c3c50f1c0163f26.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <103596.80426.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Arnie,
Yes thank you, I have and Mike's is the only one I have found.? I have spent a lot of time studying the video and it has?helped but doesn't answer all my questions.? ?I wrote the museum this weekend but have yet to hear anything.? Does anyone know Mike to either forward a request for information or send me contact info? 
>From the lack of finding any other engines or literature or anything it appears to me at this time that these were not?popular engines and they may be 'scarcer than hen's teeth'.

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:48 PM


Hi David,

Have you seen this video clip of the one at Coolspring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA

See ya,? Arnie




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:15:36 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:15:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <002001caa92d$089c3d80$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <954457.8160.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks Mike.? This helps.
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:


From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:10 PM


Regular Diesel will be just fine.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

........................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

.......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:17:15 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:17:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <001a01caa932$a8894db0$b4d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <846571.82758.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'll check them both out.? Thanks
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:


From: John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:50 PM



Don't know the models but both the shows at Reidsville, NC and Denton, NC 
have big Fairbanks diesels. The engine at the Reidsville show actually makes 
the electricity to pull their sawmill. I don't know who to contact but would 
imagine these shows are in any current show listing.
What's the chance Fairbanks still has info. on these? I believe Fairbanks is 
owned by Colt industries but am not certain.

John Hall

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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 06:51:42 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

TO: Jacob
From: Bill Young
RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net




Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types of
magnetos? Jacob

Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of my own.
(1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I imagined that?I had a real need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could not find a distributor in Japan.
(2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 30 beginning at the hinge.
?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
(3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away from the hinge in one inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather?than Gauss.
(4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed everything.? It was then that I became disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? Different reading.
(5)? My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the expensive meter.? I was getting an average reading of magnetic strength rather than point to point readings.
? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?? 
??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in village and city, maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?

( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )





      

From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Wed Feb 10 18:21:02 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:21:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
Message-ID: <1b68d.5ed45231.38a4c38e@aol.com>

Can anyone tell me what engine this igniter belongs to? Part #  H26
Thanks 
Kevin K 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Feb 10 20:42:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:42:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill-san:

I haven't used my gaussmeter on but a few magnetos, not enough to get a good idea of the strength range but I may take it to Zolfo and sneak some readings.

The one I built seems to be relatively accurate and easy to use.  I mainly use it around my shop for determining the polarity of the small rare-earth magnets I use for ignition triggers on my home-built engines and others.  

I believe it can be useful to determine the necessity of recharging magnets once a table of the strengths of various magnets is done.  What would be really interesting is to measure a "weak" magnet then recharge it on a high quality charger, one that will maximize the magnetism, then re-measure the magnet to determine the improvement.  After finishing the mag, get a relative reading on the spark strength (and so on).

BTW What are you doing in Thailand?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 08:52 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I 
> imagined that?I had a real need for one because I 
> was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could 
> not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> ?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
> ?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a 
> hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made 
> notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 
> 30 beginning at the hinge.
> ?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
> would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away from the hinge in one 
> inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an 
> idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch 
> pounds rather?than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not 
> cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I 
> gaussed everything.? It was then that I became 
> disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any 
> magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a 
> quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? 
> Different reading.
> (5)? My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the 
> expensive meter.? I was getting an average 
> reading of magnetic strength rather than point to 
> point readings.
> ? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?? 
> ??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy 
> on the block with one. Also in village and city, 
> maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )




From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 20:08:09 2010
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:08:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <395987.47208.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Link to build one and some information if interested.
?
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm




________________________________
From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 11:42:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth

Bill-san:

I haven't used my gaussmeter on but a few magnetos, not enough to get a good idea of the strength range but I may take it to Zolfo and sneak some readings.

The one I built seems to be relatively accurate and easy to use.? I mainly use it around my shop for determining the polarity of the small rare-earth magnets I use for ignition triggers on my home-built engines and others.? 

I believe it can be useful to determine the necessity of recharging magnets once a table of the strengths of various magnets is done.? What would be really interesting is to measure a "weak" magnet then recharge it on a high quality charger, one that will maximize the magnetism, then re-measure the magnet to determine the improvement.? After finishing the mag, get a relative reading on the spark strength (and so on).

BTW What are you doing in Thailand?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 08:52 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I 
> imagined that?I had a real need for one because I 
> was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could 
> not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> ?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
> ?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a 
> hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made 
> notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 
> 30 beginning at the hinge.
> ?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
> would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away from the hinge in one 
> inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an 
> idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch 
> pounds rather?than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not 
> cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I 
> gaussed everything.? It was then that I became 
> disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any 
> magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a 
> quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? 
> Different reading.
> (5)? My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the 
> expensive meter.? I was getting an average 
> reading of magnetic strength rather than point to 
> point readings.
> ? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?? 
> ??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy 
> on the block with one. Also in village and city, 
> maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Feb 10 21:53:41 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:53:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <395987.47208.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a link to my Gaussmeter article:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul
> Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Link to build one and some information if interested.
> ?
> http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 11 03:10:27 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:10:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
In-Reply-To: <1b68d.5ed45231.38a4c38e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <708736.91159.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Kevin,
?
You didn't show us a picture so it is hard to help you.
You can help yourself probably by going to this page provided by the Late Great Ted Brookover.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
?
IHTH
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 2/10/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:


From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:21 PM


Can anyone tell me what engine this igniter belongs to? Part #? H26
Thanks 
Kevin K 
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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 11 09:46:08 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:46:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com>,
	<530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W47EF163507F8B6201A83FFB44E0@phx.gbl>


Bill,

 

Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc.  

 

Ed Herreid
 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)  I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.  I imagined that I had a real need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I could not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)  So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>    (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.  
>    (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm.  But before mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered  them from 1 to 30 beginning at the hinge.
>    (C)  Then I made an "S" hook which    
> would connect  the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away from the hinge in one inch increments.  Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not cheap.  I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed everything.  It was then that I became disillusioned.  Put the probe on any spot of any magnet; note the reading.  Now, move the probe a quarter inch in any direction.  Guess what?  Different reading.
> (5)  My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the expensive meter.  I was getting an average reading of magnetic strength rather than point to point readings.
>   Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?  
>     My greatest satisfaction?  I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in village and city, maybe even in the  county.  Comments please.  Bill 
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com  )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Feb  9 14:20:30 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <d0a5aa1e380a74c580e9936e19783afb.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>

The fall show in October is good too...

Dave Merchant


At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>Konichiwa Young-san,
>
>Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>
>I hope to see you there.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
> >
> > Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> > When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
> > Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 10:48:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:48:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <924BDB1A-840A-4D10-B42D-04B69F6E4207@me.com>

Hi Elden,
	Years ago Ted Brookover showed me how to test a magnet using a  
screwdriver. Remind me to show you Ted's "secret" at Zolfo this year!
		Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Paul:
>
> It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a link to my Gaussmeter  
> article:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Paul
>> Russell
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:08 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> Link to build one and some information if interested.
>>
>> http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 10:52:07 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:52:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <81E0C990-46EA-4A48-92E3-EB55A90C1332@me.com>

The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
	Dave

On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> The fall show in October is good too...
>
> Dave Merchant
>
>
> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>
>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>
>> I hope to see you there.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>
>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>         - University of East Anglia
>         - Norwich, UK
>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Feb 11 11:25:33 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:25:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <81E0C990-46EA-4A48-92E3-EB55A90C1332@me.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>

It's a real show, lots of big engines running!

Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.

Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex

...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!

Dave Merchant


At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>         Dave
>
>On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>
> > The fall show in October is good too...
> >
> > Dave Merchant
> >
> >
> > At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
> >> Konichiwa Young-san,
> >>
> >> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
> >> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
> >>
> >> I hope to see you there.
> >>
> >> See ya,  Arnie
> >>
> >> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> >>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
> >>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Dave Merchant
> > kosh at nesys.com
> > nesys_com at ameritech.net
> > dmerchant at layerzero.com
> >
> > http://www.nesys.com
> > http://www.nesys.org
> > YouTube: SteamCrane
> >
> > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
> >         - Prof. Phil Jones
> >         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
> >         - School of Environmental Sciences
> >         - University of East Anglia
> >         - Norwich, UK
> >         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb 11 13:26:19 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:26:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
Message-ID: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.

Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio show?

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Feb 11 14:59:56 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:59:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <924BDB1A-840A-4D10-B42D-04B69F6E4207@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEJMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Brother Dave:

You'll have to remind me to remind you to show me.  CRS Syndrome, dont'cha know?

Take care - Elden  .......   What day is it, anyway?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:49 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Hi Elden,
> 	Years ago Ted Brookover showed me how to 
> test a magnet using a  
> screwdriver. Remind me to show you Ted's "secret" 
> at Zolfo this year!
> 		Dave
> 
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Paul:
> >
> > It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a 
> link to my Gaussmeter  
> > article:
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Feb 11 15:10:29 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:10:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>


	Looks like August 5-7, 2010. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just;
that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas jefferson



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August

Hi Folks,

I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.

Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio show?

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 15:30:42 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:30:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>

Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
	Dave
PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!

On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>
> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>
> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>
> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>
> Dave Merchant
>
>
> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>        Dave
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>
>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>
>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>         - University of East Anglia
>         - Norwich, UK
>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 15:32:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:32:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
Message-ID: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>

Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010  
calendar?
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have  
> removed
> their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that  
> these
> liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated  
> but with
> His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God  
> is just;
> that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie  
> Fero
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>
> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay  
> Ohio show?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Feb 11 15:49:19 2010
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
Message-ID: <0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>

PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is not something that 
should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS


> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
> Dave
> PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>
>> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>>
>> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>>
>> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>
>> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>>
>> Dave Merchant
>>
>>
>> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>>        Dave
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>>
>>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>>
>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>>
>>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>>
>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>>
>>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Dave Merchant
>> kosh at nesys.com
>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>
>> http://www.nesys.com
>> http://www.nesys.org
>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>
>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>>         - University of East Anglia
>>         - Norwich, UK
>>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Thu Feb 11 16:05:49 2010
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:05:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
Message-ID: <D009F5B649BA4E8F8CE22F7B8F78AEF9@YOURDA6F5028CB>

SWAP MEAT?
Dave



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 16:09:33 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:09:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS (Now COOLSPRING)
In-Reply-To: <0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
	<0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <9D9B2ECE-25D7-4173-8722-0AA4E93FAE34@me.com>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
	Dave
PS, Shit, I got it right the first time didn't I?

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is not something  
> that
> should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>
>
>> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
>> Dave
>> PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>>>
>>> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>>>
>>> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>>> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>>
>>> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>>>       Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real  
>>>>> temps
>>>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>>       - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>>       - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>>       - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>>>       - University of East Anglia
>>>>>       - Norwich, UK
>>>>>       - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Feb 11 16:13:09 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
	<6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
Message-ID: <C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>


	I looked at the schedule of shows on the web. They have a web site
but I could not find it directly. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just;
that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas jefferson



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August

Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010 calendar?
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have 
> removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people 
> that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be 
> violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I 
> reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie 
> Fero
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>
> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio 
> show?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Feb 11 16:45:36 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS (Now COOLSPRING)
Message-ID: <18f40.13b9933a.38a5feb0@aol.com>

Now that's something I am going to do this year is barbeque  my own  meat 
at Coolsprings.  Oh I meant a good steak or some kabob's. 
Can't Wait
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/11/2010 7:19:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Dave
PS, Shit, I got it right the  first time didn't I?

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Rick Rowlands  wrote:

> PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is  not something  
> that
> should be discussed on a family type  forum!  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The  SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL]  COOLSPRINGS
>
>
>> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring  calls it a SWAP MEAT!
>> Dave
>> PS, Also, it's Coolspring,  NOT Coolspring_s_!
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave  Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> It's a real show, lots of big  engines running!
>>>
>>> Go to my + my son's YouTube  to see what happens at the fall show.
>>>
>>>  Me:      <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>>>  Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>>
>>> ...maybe  not as many little engines, but the big stuff  runs!
>>>
>>> Dave  Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:52 PM  2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>>> The fall show is really a swap  meet--NOT a show!
>>>>        Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave  Merchant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The fall show in  October is good too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave  Merchant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> Konichiwa  Young-san,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coolspring  is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>>>  http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I hope to see you  there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,   Arnie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, February  9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand  )
>>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place  this year?
>>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since  Portland a few years  ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>  SEL mailing list
>>>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dave Merchant
>>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>>>  nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>>>  dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.nesys.com
>>>>>  http://www.nesys.org
>>>>> YouTube:  SteamCrane
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've just  completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real   
>>>>> temps
>>>>> to each series for the  last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>>> and from 1961 for  Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>>     - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>>     - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>>   - School of Environmental  Sciences
>>>>>       - University of  East Anglia
>>>>>       - Norwich,  UK
>>>>>       - To: Michael Mann,  Raymond Bradley, Malcolm  Hughes
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL  mailing list
>>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL  mailing list
>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>  Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>  nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>  dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>>  http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>  YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed  Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series  for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for  Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        -  Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director,  Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of  Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University  of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich,  UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond  Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing  list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing  list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 18:44:50 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:44:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
	<6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
	<C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>
Message-ID: <77E80A68-BD05-4A17-9D01-73544E67A74E@me.com>

It's August 5th-8th this year. See: http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	I looked at the schedule of shows on the web. They have a web site
> but I could not find it directly.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have  
> removed
> their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that  
> these
> liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated  
> but with
> His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God  
> is just;
> that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010  
> calendar?
> 	Dave
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:
>
>>
>> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>>
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> The Eagle's Anvil
>> WB8NQW
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>>
>> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have
>> removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the  
>> people
>> that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be
>> violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I
>> reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
>> Thomas jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie
>> Fero
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>>
>> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio
>> show?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 12 10:20:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:20:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 12/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>
><snip> Swapping meat is not something that
>should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>
>Rick

Why not Rick?
         I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Feb 12 11:18:15 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:18:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>

Stop by and borrow my broiler
http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg

Frank


>Why not Rick?
>          I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 12 12:06:01 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:06:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Frank,

That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's belted to the light
plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air to blow on your
broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> Stop by and borrow my broiler
> http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
>
> Frank
>
>>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 12 12:10:45 2010
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:10:45 -0000
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS


> At 07:00 PM 12/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Message: 11
>>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>>
>><snip> Swapping meat is not something that
>>should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>>Rick
> 
> Why not Rick?
>         I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans

I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
(This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Feb 12 12:48:44 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRING not "S"
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An engine guy near me has one of those little compressors, out of a 
dentist's office.
Gorgeous little piece of machinery.

Maybe you could also get an antique dentist's drill to demo on visitors?

Dave Merchant


At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's belted to 
>the light
>plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air to 
>blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 12 12:51:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
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And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))

On Fri, February 12, 2010 3:10 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
>
> I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
> (This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978





From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb 12 18:03:51 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:03:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <7A0983E2250C40BCA87929EB9F4D229F@lightning>

Can anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden toolbox that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables? Thanks in advance. John
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Feb 12 18:30:09 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:30:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
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It is a old dental office air compressor.  Open crank, flat leather 
belt,  (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.  It is fun to 
watch.  It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator 
something to do.  When it calls for more air, the motor switches on 
and the generator engine starts.

I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running 
this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator 
using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a 
miniature open frame antique alternator,
http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor 
that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will 
run the alternator that will light the light bulb.  It sounds odd, 
but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.

Frank



At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's 
>belted to the light
>plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air 
>to blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 23:48:28 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:48:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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Ed-san,

Bill,? Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not really.? Do not yet have operable digital camera.
?Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?? Like 4 inch pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid

Yes, that is exactly what I did.? 
??? Those EK's are fascinating instruments.? I had one EK, the armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.? There was just a whisper of magnetism.? No spark?? No, not so.? A good spark.? Why?? Don't know.?? Does anyone?

 
 




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 03:36:06 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:36:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <20100213023612.0116859584@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <271258.14793.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Frank,
In a past life did you have the nickname of 'Rube' (as in Goldberg)?
I love the idea, the more things go whir, click, and bang, the better I like them.
David

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Frank DeWitt LBP <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:


From: Frank DeWitt LBP <Frank at lbpinc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:30 PM


It is a old dental office air compressor.? Open crank, flat leather 
belt,? (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.? It is fun to 
watch.? It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator 
something to do.? When it calls for more air, the motor switches on 
and the generator engine starts.

I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running 
this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator 
using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a 
miniature open frame antique alternator,
http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor 
that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will 
run the alternator that will light the light bulb.? It sounds odd, 
but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.

Frank



At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.? Is that a small compressor that's 
>belted to the light
>plant?? How does that come into play?? Do you use the compressed air 
>to blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?? 8-))
>
>See ya,? Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>? I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 13 03:39:17 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:39:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <830745129.4618991266061064429.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Ahhhh Yes there will be Black Pudding in Baraboo this year as none other then world famous Mr. Croft will be there in person to teach us Yanks how to cook it in true Brit tradition!
Curt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:51:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS

And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))

On Fri, February 12, 2010 3:10 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
>
> I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
> (This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 05:37:54 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:37:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <2620.7491f82.38a80532@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:

Can  anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden 
toolbox  that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables?


It may be the same as the 6 Famous.  If so, I can help.  Let me  know.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 06:17:37 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:17:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <31d8.1aaf3646.38a80e81@aol.com>

If I am right those boxes were all metal.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 8:39:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:


In a  message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,   
mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:

Can  anyone post a photo or  better still supply dimensions of the wooden 
toolbox  that was on the  4 H.P. Mogul portables?


It may be the same as the 6 Famous.   If so, I can help.  Let me  know.  

Tom   Schmutz
Concord,   Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 07:22:25 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:22:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Large Engines For Sale
Message-ID: <492e.244a11e6.38a81db1@aol.com>

Click the link below and these are for sale.
Thanks 
KK
 
_http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/33508/cat/all_ 
(http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/33508/cat/all) 
 
 


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 12:57:31 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:57:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <c242.6eb10ac8.38a86c3b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 9:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com writes:

If I am  right those boxes were all metal.





The ones on my Famous are wood  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 13 13:54:43 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:54:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ****SPAM**** Re:  COOLSPRINGS
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NEAT!!  Frank, how long has it been since you were last at Coolspring or Portland?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, February 12, 2010 9:30 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> It is a old dental office air compressor.  Open crank, flat leather
> belt,  (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.  It is fun to
> watch.  It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator
> something to do.  When it calls for more air, the motor switches on
> and the generator engine starts.
>
> I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running
> this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator
> using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a
> miniature open frame antique alternator,
> http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
> Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor
> that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will
> run the alternator that will light the light bulb.  It sounds odd,
> but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 13 14:14:13 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
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Well, YEE DAMN HAW!!!  What EXCELLENT news.  Maybe advise the good Mr. Croft to NOT
try to hand-carry that black pudding past US Customs and past the
contraband-sniffing dogs.  I saw those dogs in Atlanta nail three different old
ladies with fruit in their purses.  Black pudding they'd pick up at 100 yards.  8-))

Will Dave be continuing on to Portland after Baraboo?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, February 13, 2010 6:39 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Ahhhh Yes there will be Black Pudding in Baraboo this year as none other then world
> famous Mr. Croft will be there in person to teach us Yanks how to cook it in true
> Brit tradition!
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
> him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))




From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Feb 13 16:08:10 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:08:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
References: <2620.7491f82.38a80532@aol.com>
Message-ID: <513085121510464294E86E9B24375FA8@lightning>

I am starting to think that the toolbox is made of steel not wood. I will 
chase up dimensions of an original steel one here in Australia. Thanks. John 
Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul


>
> In a message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:
>
> Can  anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden
> toolbox  that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables?
>
>
> It may be the same as the 6 Famous.  If so, I can help.  Let me  know.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 16:20:09 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:20:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <106e9.4c339e6f.38a89bb9@aol.com>

The Famous is a wooden box. The Mogul are steel I think
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 4:00:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:


In a  message dated 2/13/2010 9:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,   
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com writes:

If I am  right those boxes were  all metal.





The ones on my Famous are wood   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,   Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Feb 13 16:42:55 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:42:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ****SPAM**** Re:  COOLSPRINGS
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Coolsprings,  About 2 years, but I didn't bring the trailer.  I plan 
on attending this year.
Never been to Portland.
Frank

At 04:54 PM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
>NEAT!!  Frank, how long has it been since you were last at 
>Coolspring or Portland?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>

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    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb 14 06:17:09 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:17:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The cars we drove (Not quite O.T. - they had engines:-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100214161513.02bfe760@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Here is a link to a great presentation on the cars and lifestyle 
of the 50's and 60's. Turn the sound up on your computer but be warned that 
it may be a bit slow with dial-up connections.

http://oldfortyfives.com/CarsWeDrove.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 14 07:27:54 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:27:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
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Actually, Mark, the feature tractor is the garden tractor. It just isn't 
brand specific so any garden tractor will be a feature tractor. Now, 
before I hear cries of having a lawn mower show, let me tell you there 
will be a lot more than that. A lot of the early "garden" stuff was 
meant to replace a one horse farm. A 1918 testimonial book from the 
Beeman Garden Tractor Co contains a testimonial from a user that states 
he is gardening approximately 92 acres and that the tractor would be 
useful for anyone gardening more than 5 acres. Not quite the garden 
tractor terms we think of today. I am working on exhibitors to get the 
early and odd pieces at the show. When we were there in 2002 we had over 
700 pieces of motorized lawn and garden equipment on the grounds. Since 
then we have had an expo with 800 pieces displayed. Although 800 is the 
number to beat, 1000 is the goal I've set. Last time the number to beat 
was 425 and I set the goal at 500. Anybody that would bring exhibits to 
help the count will be appreciated. I am also copying this to the 
tractor list in hopes of getting more help! Doug T

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> There actually is not feature tractor this year, Findlay is hosting 
> the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America, this show will serve 
> as their 2010 National Exposition.
> Mark
>
>
> At 03:51 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>> Mark: What is the featured tractor?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org]On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:00 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: Re: Findlay Ohio Show in August
>>
>>
>> Arnie
>>
>> August 5-6-7 & 8
>>
>> This year we are hosting the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of
>> America and Featuring Briggs N Stratton Engines.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> At 04:26 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>> >
>> >Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay 
>> Ohio show?
>> >
>> >Thanks!!
>> >
>> >See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> >Arnie Fero
>> >Pittsburgh, PA
>> >fero_ah at city-net.com
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb 14 08:51:44 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:51:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What 
can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark


At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:



>Ed-san,
>
>Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not 
>really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
>  Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch 
> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
>
>Yes, that is exactly what I did.
>     Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the 
> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There 
> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good 
> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
>
>
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 14 15:23:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:23:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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Mark, Remind me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:  
testing magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
	Dave
PS, An Fe one works lots better than an Al one!

On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What
> can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark
>
>
> At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Ed-san,
>>
>> Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not
>> really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
>> Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch
>> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
>>
>> Yes, that is exactly what I did.
>>    Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the
>> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There
>> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good
>> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 17:23:57 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:23:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
Message-ID: <25538.4d8398a1.38a9fc2d@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/14/2010 6:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

Remind  me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:  
testing  magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
 
Dave,

Any  way to explain the screw driver test on this list?
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb 15 09:27:21 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:27:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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I'll be glad to see what Ted Did. I assume he had some weight that he 
had settled on as good enough?  But  still even if the magnets are 
weak they usually should not produce a spark that will run an engine 
properly.  Mark



At 06:23 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
>Mark, Remind me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:
>testing magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
>         Dave
>PS, An Fe one works lots better than an Al one!
>
>On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What
> > can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark
> >
> >
> > At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ed-san,
> >>
> >> Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not
> >> really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
> >> Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch
> >> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
> >>
> >> Yes, that is exactly what I did.
> >>    Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the
> >> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There
> >> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good
> >> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 Co. Rd. 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
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USA

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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 16 00:29:37 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <20100214165139.01C0E8EA1@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <644734.75564.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill here ( in Thailand ) responding to Mark. No, it was not an intense blue spark.? It was an ole yeller, but did jump a significant gap.? Yes, I am aware of spark behavior under pressure and to make visual observations, I built a "hyperbaric chamber" replete with glass window, mirror inside and pressure guage outside.? 
No, I never put that EK on an engine, but I never forgot about it, either.
? Those EK's are fascinating magnetos, especially when they don't work -- when they should...?




      

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Feb 16 09:48:38 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:48:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
Message-ID: <20100216.094939.16307.74478@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
Could someone help me find a picture showing the fill and return lines
entering the tank on a Fairbanks T. 2 hp if it makes any difference. 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 16 17:37:21 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:37:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
In-Reply-To: <20100216.094939.16307.74478@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCELOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I could take a couple of Kodaks of my 2 HP Jack where the pipes go into the base but you're not THAT good a buddy for me to pull a flywheel in order to remove the tank!

Lemmeknowwhatchawantmetodo.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of rdhaskell
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
> 
> 
> Hi all.
> Could someone help me find a picture showing the 
> fill and return lines
> entering the tank on a Fairbanks T. 2 hp if it 
> makes any difference. 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Feb 18 06:21:40 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100218161849.00c69480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Can anyone please give me current contact info for Malcolm MacKay. 
(Dave, you're not an Aussie!) I've lost the details I had.

         Does he have e-mail yet?

Many thanks.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 07:59:27 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:59:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 18 08:47:44 2010
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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hi George, Glenns book says 'bare weight' is 221#? skip

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From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:59 AM


Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 08:58:10 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:58:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:48 AM
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hi George, Glenns book says 'bare weight' is 221#? skip

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Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 18 12:35:20 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:35:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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Hi George, "Not a guess?" Are you suggesting that anyone on THIS LIST  
would post about something of which they are not SURE?
	Dave

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.
>
> Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.
>
> george


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 13:01:34 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:01:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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It's not so bad now, but years ago we had a lot of people who felt compelled to reply to everything.  Often they were just guessing or responding that they didn't know.

I'd already guessed the engine was about 200 lbs, wanted facts rather a bunch of people agreeing on guessed weights.

Sort of like our government.  Runs on opinions rather than facts ;-)  (oops!  Wrong forum to post that!)

George

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Hi George, "Not a guess?" Are you suggesting that anyone on THIS LIST  
would post about something of which they are not SURE?
	Dave

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.
>
> Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.
>
> george
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 19 00:36:41 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:36:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Tips 'n Tricks
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100219090420.00d08448@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi everyone,
         I need help again :-)

         On our club website <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za> I have a section 
called "Tips 'n Tricks". This is for any good ideas/ shortcuts/workarounds 
and the like.

         This is supposed to be supported by club members but they seem to 
be a pretty useless lot when it comes to contributing to the web pages and 
the only "Tip" up there so far is my "Gib Key Puller" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/index.htm>

         Now, seeing as that these lists are made up of the greatest engine 
people in the world (unashamed flattery/bribery but true) I'm appealing to 
you to members to help me fill the page.

         A new thread with the above subject line should do it and make 
some interesting reading for other members as well.

         I'm looking for ideas as simple a using a hose clip as a ring 
compressor (I'll put this one up -it came from a SEL discussion last year 
and a few guys mentioned it but Arnie was the first so he'll get the credit 
:-)).

         Also articles published on your pages like Robs Wico Testing bench 
<http://www.rustyiron.com/engines/WICO/index.html> (Rob, can i have your 
permission?)- or Reg's excellent "gear cutting" method 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/models/gearcutting/> (Reg, 
permission please?)In cases like this I will not repeat the article - just 
a link to your page.

         Full credit and links where applicable will be given on the page.

Thanks all of you, I hope to see this grow into a "BIG" thread.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Feb 19 02:14:39 2010
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <4b7e648f.39a.134c.232541930@netspeed.com.au>

G,day Jerry 
here is malcom mackays 19 kennedy cl moss vale nsw 2577  ph
02 48692260
janne_malc at hotmail.com
regards Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:40 +0200

> Hi Guys,
>          Can anyone please give me current contact info
> for Malcolm MacKay.  (Dave, you're not an Aussie!) I've
> lost the details I had.
> 
>          Does he have e-mail yet?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 19 10:14:41 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1266598802.28460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100219200832.033c8bb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 19/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:39 +1000
>From: "brock at netspeed.com.au" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] One for the Aussies
><snip>
>
>G,day Jerry
>here is malcom mackays 19 kennedy cl moss vale nsw 2577  ph
>02 48692260
>janne_malc at hotmail.com
>regards Brock
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jerry Evans

<snip>.

Thanks Brock,
         This was for David Edgington and thanks to you and Peter Lowe he 
did manage to contact Malcolm today.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 14:23:27 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:23:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>

I am a little late here, just back from a trip.

The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier 
link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC board. 
I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used 
too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition 
trigger magnets on an Onan engine.

The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those charging 
the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if the 
magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring 
the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would 
not have to disturb the magnets that were good.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


TO: Jacob
From: Bill Young
RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net




Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types 
of
magnetos? Jacob

Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of 
my own.
(1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I imagined that I had a real 
need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I could not 
find a distributor in Japan.
(2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
(A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
(B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm. But before 
mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered them from 1 to 30 beginning 
at the hinge.
(C) Then I made an "S" hook which
would connect the lever arm to armature.
(3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away 
from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea 
of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather than Gauss.
(4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold 
Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed 
everything. It was then that I became disillusioned. Put the probe on any 
spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move the probe a quarter inch in 
any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
(5) My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool 
than the expensive meter. I was getting an average reading of magnetic 
strength rather than point to point readings.
Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?
My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in 
village and city, maybe even in the county. Comments please. Bill

( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
wmlyoung at yahoo.com )






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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Feb 19 14:59:06 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:59:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I bought one of the testers years ago when Ed offered them.  I admit I'd forgotten I even had it until Ed/Elden mentioned them in an earlier posting this year.  Mine is sitting out in the shop someplace, I think I saw it a few months ago.  When I first got it I used it a few times, but was mostly a novelty item rather than anything I used.

When I had a magneto charger handy, it was quick and simple to recharge a magneto if it was questionable.  Never did record the readings I got.

Might have to find it again and test some of my magnetos and see what sort of numbers I get.  Of course if the numbers vary a lot for each point tested it may not be of much value.  Might have to pick the same spot on each magnet and just use the numbers for that location.

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to post results as it might be awhile.

George

Ps. Will be quicker than Arnie ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth

I am a little late here, just back from a trip.

The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier 
link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC board. 
I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used 
too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition 
trigger magnets on an Onan engine.

The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those charging 
the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if the 
magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring 
the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would 
not have to disturb the magnets that were good.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Feb 19 16:14:37 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:14:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my supplier, Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post on my site.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
> 
> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look 
> like those in the earlier 
> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , 
> but made with a PC board. 
> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as 
> I found the ones we used 
> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was 
> for mapping the ignition 
> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
> 
> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets 
> was a bust as those charging 
> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, 
> pull them off and know if the 
> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look 
> at the idea of measuring 
> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed 
> in a magneto so we would 
> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types 
> of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of 
> my own.
> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I 
> imagined that I had a real 
> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the 
> local lads, I could not 
> find a distributor in Japan.
> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged 
> lever arm. But before 
> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered 
> them from 1 to 30 beginning 
> at the hinge.
> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
> would connect the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away 
> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my 
> "quantifier" gave me an idea 
> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds 
> rather than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold 
> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my 
> purchase; I gaussed 
> everything. It was then that I became 
> disillusioned. Put the probe on any 
> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move 
> the probe a quarter inch in 
> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
> (5) My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool 
> than the expensive meter. I was getting an 
> average reading of magnetic 
> strength rather than point to point readings.
> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?
> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on 
> the block with one. Also in 
> village and city, maybe even in the county. 
> Comments please. Bill
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 17:50:56 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:50:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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George,
It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of 
magnets. The sensor is much smaller than the chunks so one gets a variety of 
numbers as you rome around the surface. To try to make some sense of it and 
have repeatability, I find the strongest spot and use that for the 
measurement.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


>I bought one of the testers years ago when Ed offered them.  I admit I'd 
>forgotten I even had it until Ed/Elden mentioned them in an earlier posting 
>this year.  Mine is sitting out in the shop someplace, I think I saw it a 
>few months ago.  When I first got it I used it a few times, but was mostly 
>a novelty item rather than anything I used.
>
> When I had a magneto charger handy, it was quick and simple to recharge a 
> magneto if it was questionable.  Never did record the readings I got.
>
> Might have to find it again and test some of my magnetos and see what sort 
> of numbers I get.  Of course if the numbers vary a lot for each point 
> tested it may not be of much value.  Might have to pick the same spot on 
> each magnet and just use the numbers for that location.
>
> Don't hold your breath waiting for me to post results as it might be 
> awhile.
>
> George
>
> Ps. Will be quicker than Arnie ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>
> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier
> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC 
> board.
> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used
> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition
> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>
> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those 
> charging
> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if 
> the
> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring
> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would
> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 18:02:18 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:02:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>

I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  Allegro Micro Systems and 
distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered it. It has been a while; 
the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too early to know if I am going 
to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.

I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source as I have to check to see 
if the battery is going dead. I would like to use a 12 Volt battery and 
Zener diode to substitute for it.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my supplier, 
> Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post on my 
> site.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>>
>> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look
>> like those in the earlier
>> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm ,
>> but made with a PC board.
>> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as
>> I found the ones we used
>> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was
>> for mapping the ignition
>> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>>
>> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets
>> was a bust as those charging
>> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam,
>> pull them off and know if the
>> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look
>> at the idea of measuring
>> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed
>> in a magneto so we would
>> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> TO: Jacob
>> From: Bill Young
>> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
>> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
>> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss
>> measurements for different types
>> of
>> magnetos? Jacob
>>
>> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments
>> and wish to add a couple of
>> my own.
>> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I
>> imagined that I had a real
>> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the
>> local lads, I could not
>> find a distributor in Japan.
>> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
>> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged
>> lever arm. But before
>> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered
>> them from 1 to 30 beginning
>> at the hinge.
>> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
>> would connect the lever arm to armature.
>> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight
>> which could be moved away
>> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my
>> "quantifier" gave me an idea
>> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds
>> rather than Gauss.
>> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a
>> company in Tokyo that sold
>> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my
>> purchase; I gaussed
>> everything. It was then that I became
>> disillusioned. Put the probe on any
>> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move
>> the probe a quarter inch in
>> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
>> (5) My current thinking is that my $2
>> "quantifier" was a more useful tool
>> than the expensive meter. I was getting an
>> average reading of magnetic
>> strength rather than point to point readings.
>> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a
>> useful instrument?
>> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on
>> the block with one. Also in
>> village and city, maybe even in the county.
>> Comments please. Bill
>>
>> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Feb 19 18:43:41 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:43:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <9009075E-11D2-4DD7-AB61-EE5840BBF6E9@me.com>

I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of testing a magnet using  
ONLY a screwdriver!
	Dave

On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  Allegro Micro  
> Systems and
> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered it. It has been a  
> while;
> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too early to know if I am  
> going
> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>
> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source as I have to check  
> to see
> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use a 12 Volt battery  
> and
> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
>> Ed:
>>
>> Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my  
>> supplier,
>> Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post  
>> on my
>> site.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>>>
>>> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look
>>> like those in the earlier
>>> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm ,
>>> but made with a PC board.
>>> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as
>>> I found the ones we used
>>> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was
>>> for mapping the ignition
>>> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>>>
>>> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets
>>> was a bust as those charging
>>> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam,
>>> pull them off and know if the
>>> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look
>>> at the idea of measuring
>>> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed
>>> in a magneto so we would
>>> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>>>
>>> Ed Stoller
>>> New Fairfield, CT
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> TO: Jacob
>>> From: Bill Young
>>> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
>>> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
>>> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss
>>> measurements for different types
>>> of
>>> magnetos? Jacob
>>>
>>> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments
>>> and wish to add a couple of
>>> my own.
>>> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I
>>> imagined that I had a real
>>> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the
>>> local lads, I could not
>>> find a distributor in Japan.
>>> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>>> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
>>> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged
>>> lever arm. But before
>>> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered
>>> them from 1 to 30 beginning
>>> at the hinge.
>>> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
>>> would connect the lever arm to armature.
>>> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight
>>> which could be moved away
>>> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my
>>> "quantifier" gave me an idea
>>> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds
>>> rather than Gauss.
>>> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a
>>> company in Tokyo that sold
>>> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my
>>> purchase; I gaussed
>>> everything. It was then that I became
>>> disillusioned. Put the probe on any
>>> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move
>>> the probe a quarter inch in
>>> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
>>> (5) My current thinking is that my $2
>>> "quantifier" was a more useful tool
>>> than the expensive meter. I was getting an
>>> average reading of magnetic
>>> strength rather than point to point readings.
>>> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a
>>> useful instrument?
>>> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on
>>> the block with one. Also in
>>> village and city, maybe even in the county.
>>> Comments please. Bill
>>>
>>> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
>>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb 19 20:41:18 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:41:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>

On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
> magnets.


magnet/2 = 2(magnet)










From rotigel at me.com  Fri Feb 19 20:58:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:58:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
	<D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>

It's also the nature of jello that it's made up of little chunks of  
jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
	Dave
PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work on jello.

On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
>> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
>> magnets.
>
>
> magnet/2 = 2(magnet)


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Feb 19 21:36:01 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:36:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup><D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
	<BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>
Message-ID: <09954B635CAE4D53B9C4CE053F0C609B@regpc>

Aw, Dave, ya dun it again.
I need a fund set up for new keyboards!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> It's also the nature of jello that it's made up of little chunks of  
> jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
> Dave
> PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
> PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work on jello.
> 
> On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
>>> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
>>> magnets.
>>
>>
>> magnet/2 = 2(magnet)
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:50:19 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:50:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit to test the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half scale means the battery is still good.

I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.

Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're still available.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  
> Allegro Micro Systems and 
> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered 
> it. It has been a while; 
> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too 
> early to know if I am going 
> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
> 
> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source 
> as I have to check to see 
> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use 
> a 12 Volt battery and 
> Zener diode to substitute for it.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:52:39 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:52:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <9009075E-11D2-4DD7-AB61-EE5840BBF6E9@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver is about as good as a Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong enough to work in a magneto.

We techno-Geeks need to have something to occupy our minds, don't we?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of 
> testing a magnet using  
> ONLY a screwdriver!
> 	Dave




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:53:46 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:53:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dang fancy-pants mathematicians!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:58 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> It's also the nature of jello that it's made up 
> of little chunks of  
> jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
> 	Dave
> PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
> PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work 
> on jello.




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Feb 20 10:23:07 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:23:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9815123C-7E87-4B28-A707-E99CD9AA7C28@me.com>

Golly darn Elden! Did Ted show you that trick too? And all this time I  
thought it was a secret between Ted and me--and that now I was the  
ONLY living person to know the trick!
	Dave

On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Dave:
>
> I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver is about as good as a  
> Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong enough to work in a  
> magneto.
>
> We techno-Geeks need to have something to occupy our minds, don't we?
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of David
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:44 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of
>> testing a magnet using
>> ONLY a screwdriver!
>> 	Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Feb 20 10:35:45 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:35:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>

I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like 
Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look like. 
Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
Thanks in advance,
Dave E 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 14:30:45 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:30:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <9815123C-7E87-4B28-A707-E99CD9AA7C28@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMENKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Sorry, Dave.  There are two of us that know that magnet test method.  Be sure and not tell anyone else.  Job security, dontcha know.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Golly darn Elden! Did Ted show you that trick 
> too? And all this time I  
> thought it was a secret between Ted and me--and 
> that now I was the  
> ONLY living person to know the trick!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Dave:
> >
> > I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver 
> is about as good as a  
> > Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong 
> enough to work in a  
> > magneto.
> >
> > We techno-Geeks need to have something to 
> occupy our minds, don't we?
> >
> > Take care - Elden




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 20 18:24:20 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:24:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>

Eldon,

I should have given you the link;   http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .

I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the 
tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am 
likely to set Dave off again.)

I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few 
> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable 
> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit to test 
> the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half scale 
> means the battery is still good.
>
> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they 
> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>
> Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're 
> still available.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>> it. It has been a while;
>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>> early to know if I am going
>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>
>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>> as I have to check to see
>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>> a 12 Volt battery and
>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 21 05:23:11 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:23:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>
Message-ID: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is okay, Ed.
I also mave a huge tractor battery.
I don't have a tractor though.
Alan in Michigan
?
PS Last I knew Dave had a tractor though.

--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:24 PM


Eldon,

I should have given you the link;???http://www.allegromicro.com/en/? .

I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the 
tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am 
likely to set Dave off again.)

I have several UGN 3503UA's? if you need one.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.? The version I built a few 
> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable 
> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.? I also made a simple circuit to test 
> the battery using the meter on the tester.? Any reading over half scale 
> means the battery is still good.
>
> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they 
> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>
> Thanks for the part number.? When I get a chance, I'll see if they're 
> still available.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>? Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>> it. It has been a while;
>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>> early to know if I am going
>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>
>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>> as I have to check to see
>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>> a 12 Volt battery and
>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
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> SEL mailing list
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> 


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 21 05:23:56 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:23:56 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
Message-ID: <23f5.60180ef8.38b28dec@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/20/2010 1:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

I've  come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag


Dave,
 
I have a 6 Economy 1916, but not a Sparta if this will help.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 21 06:49:30 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:49:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Thanks for the offer but what I'm looking for is a part number that's readily available I can post on my web page.  I think I looked at the Allegro site earlier but I'll look again.

Now, speaking of Dave, don't try to pry Ted Brookover's magnet testing procedure out of either him or me 'cause we're sworn to secrecy.  If either of us tells you, we are honor bound to kill you.     :-)

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 08:24 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> I should have given you the link;   
> http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
> 
> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I 
> would use one of the 
> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I 
> used the T word and am 
> likely to set Dave off again.)
> 
> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth




From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 21 05:52:52 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:52:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta. 
Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that 
determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are 
earlier. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like 
> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look like. 
> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave E 
>
>
>   


From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Feb 21 10:39:02 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:39:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>
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It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
one from that.
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta


Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
earlier. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
> like.
> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave E
>
>
>
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 21 12:24:20 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:24:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>	<4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>
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Message-ID: <4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>

I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't 
find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's 
herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you 
need it. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
> one from that.
> Dave E
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>
>
> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
> earlier. Doug T
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>   
>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
>> like.
>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave E
>>
>>
>>
>>     
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 21 13:26:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:26:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B956B63-325D-4E99-AEA7-6DE565547411@me.com>

Yes, I not only have a tractor, but a MAYTAG and a screwdriver as well!
	Dave
PS, The tractor and the screwdriver work well
PPS, The MAYTAG works, well, like a MAYTAG!
PPPS, Have you heard the one about the bus driver and the screwdriver?

On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Alan wrote:

> That is okay, Ed.
> I also mave a huge tractor battery.
> I don't have a tractor though.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> PS Last I knew Dave had a tractor though.
>
> --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:24 PM
>
>
> Eldon,
>
> I should have given you the link;   http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
>
> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the
> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am
> likely to set Dave off again.)
>
> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
>> Ed:
>>
>> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few
>> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a  
>> stable
>> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit  
>> to test
>> the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half  
>> scale
>> means the battery is still good.
>>
>> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because  
>> they
>> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>>
>> Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're
>> still available.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>>   Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>>> it. It has been a while;
>>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>>> early to know if I am going
>>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>>
>>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>>> as I have to check to see
>>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>>> a 12 Volt battery and
>>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>>
>>> Ed Stoller
>>> New Fairfield, CT
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 21 13:30:12 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:30:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <40CEB5D7-1789-4722-8F6F-DF17933A8E0C@me.com>

Hi Elden, Part number 694016869 is readily available.
	Dave
PS, Like the bus driver I would like one!

On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Ed:
>
> Thanks for the offer but what I'm looking for is a part number  
> that's readily available I can post on my web page.  I think I  
> looked at the Allegro site earlier but I'll look again.
>
> Now, speaking of Dave, don't try to pry Ted Brookover's magnet  
> testing procedure out of either him or me 'cause we're sworn to  
> secrecy.  If either of us tells you, we are honor bound to kill  
> you.     :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 08:24 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> Eldon,
>>
>> I should have given you the link;
>> http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
>>
>> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I
>> would use one of the
>> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I
>> used the T word and am
>> likely to set Dave off again.)
>>
>> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 21 16:51:51 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <40CEB5D7-1789-4722-8F6F-DF17933A8E0C@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEODIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hmmmm.  Could you give me a clue as to the manufacturer of part number 694016869 and the current price in the 1-9 break?

Whutz all thishere stuff about a dang bus driver anyhoo??!!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 03:30 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, Part number 694016869 is readily available.
> 	Dave
> PS, Like the bus driver I would like one!




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Feb 21 21:05:00 2010
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>	<4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>
	<77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <F451C086-D5B2-4893-A952-F510ECB18012@herculesengines.com>

Doug
Glenn did not have a web site.  
Hit and Miss Enterprises list a Sparta name tag in their catalog.  Not sure if it is the one Dave needs or not but worth a look.  Dave you might want to compare it to the one you found on my web site and see if it is a match.  I wouldn't be surprised if Starbolt didn't carry them too.
Keith


On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't 
> find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's 
> herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you 
> need it. Doug T
> 
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
>> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
>> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
>> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
>> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
>> one from that.
>> Dave E
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>> 
>> 
>> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
>> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
>> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
>> earlier. Doug T
>> 
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> 
>>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
>>> like.
>>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Feb 21 23:01:58 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:01:58 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
Message-ID: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig your not the only one who gets them),
i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up with next, cheers,
Chester.








Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my shipping 
address is
Clive street
Albany
Western Australia  6330
please let me know total cost, cheers,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: 
http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm


> Hello
>
> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this 
> question
>
> Regards
>
> On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Smith
>>
>> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> your urgent response will be appreciated
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of your
>>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, hope 
>>> to
>>> hear from you, cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>>>> question
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine ,i
>>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me your
>>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic to
>>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks and
>>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if you
>>>>> need more parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i need,
i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available 
from the UK.
Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: 
http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm


> Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
> subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
> condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
> i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
> in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
> cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
> back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards 

>> 


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb 22 01:57:06 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:57:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were 
looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the 
trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to 
move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a 
different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it 
but I do have the e-mail address

Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one 
part of our conversations!


May we have an address so we can have an inspection please


At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so 
>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>A few words about the process:
>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone 
>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a 
>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they 
>will secure the money.
>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will 
>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive 
>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the 
>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay 
>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>
>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western 
>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>
>Regards!
>
>
>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM

Seems awfully messy!

How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a 
full ownership transfer papers before paying money
Russell


At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
 > Hi,
 > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in 
hearing details about my caravan.
 > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan 
and the way we can complete a transaction.
 > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy 
about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea 
was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i 
really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration 
taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough 
time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go! 
Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping 
costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price ) 
.I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle 
also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will 
be delivered to your DOOR.
 > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for 
it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean title.
 > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment 
when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If 
still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do 
this without me being in AU!
 > Thanks
 >



At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig 
>your not the only one who gets them),
>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was 
>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him 
>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up 
>with next, cheers,
>Chester.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my shipping
>address is
>Clive street
>Albany
>Western Australia  6330
>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>Chester.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>Subject: Re:
>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
> > question
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Smith
> >>
> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of your
> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, hope
> >>> to
> >>> hear from you, cheers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re:
> >>> 
> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello
> >>>>
> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
> >>>> question
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine ,i
> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me your
> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic to
> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks and
> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if you
> >>>>> need more parts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regard
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i need,
>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>from the UK.
>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>Chester.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>Subject:
>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>
>
> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>
> >>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Feb 22 04:02:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:02:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
	<20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <21B2B15CB4184AB9ABA571F3CA9206A9@loungeroom>

The bad English is the give away.
Peter, Oz




> Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were
> looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the
> trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to
> move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a
> different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it
> but I do have the e-mail address
>
> Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one
> part of our conversations!
>
>
> May we have an address so we can have an inspection please
>
>
> At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so
>>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>>A few words about the process:
>>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone
>>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a
>>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they
>>will secure the money.
>>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will
>>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive
>>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the
>>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay
>>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>>
>>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western
>>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>>
>>Regards!
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
> Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
> To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
> Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
> Seems awfully messy!
>
> How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a
> full ownership transfer papers before paying money
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
> > Hi,
> > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in
> hearing details about my caravan.
> > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan
> and the way we can complete a transaction.
> > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy
> about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea
> was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i
> really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration
> taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough
> time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go!
> Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping
> costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price )
> .I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle
> also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will
> be delivered to your DOOR.
> > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for
> it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean 
> title.
> > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment
> when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If
> still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do
> this without me being in AU!
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig
>>your not the only one who gets them),
>>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was
>>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him
>>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up
>>with next, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my 
>>shipping
>>address is
>>Clive street
>>Albany
>>Western Australia  6330
>>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>>Subject: Re:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>> > question
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Smith
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of 
>> >>> your
>> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, 
>> >>> hope
>> >>> to
>> >>> hear from you, cheers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>>
>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to 
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> question
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine 
>> >>>>> ,i
>> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me 
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic 
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks 
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if 
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> need more parts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i 
>> >>>need,
>>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>>from the UK.
>>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>>Subject:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
>> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
>> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
>> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
>> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
>> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
>> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>>
>> >>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 22 10:46:03 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:46:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
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	<F451C086-D5B2-4893-A952-F510ECB18012@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <0BF4ECEB8D7E4CA691924E4844AB0A54@YOURA8CFD79427>

Thanks for the info.
Keith, I still have that Weeden steam engine you sold to me a few years ago. 
Had it running last year.
Thanks again
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta


Doug
Glenn did not have a web site.
Hit and Miss Enterprises list a Sparta name tag in their catalog.  Not sure 
if it is the one Dave needs or not but worth a look.  Dave you might want to 
compare it to the one you found on my web site and see if it is a match.  I 
wouldn't be surprised if Starbolt didn't carry them too.
Keith


On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't
> find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's
> herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you
> need it. Doug T
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" 
>> apart,
>> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am 
>> wrong
>> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and 
>> a
>> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the 
>> tag
>> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can 
>> fabricate
>> one from that.
>> Dave E
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>>
>>
>> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
>> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
>> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
>> earlier. Doug T
>>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look
>>> like.
>>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 22 10:50:48 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:50:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester><20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
	<21B2B15CB4184AB9ABA571F3CA9206A9@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <D08CA82F6CAF467191951EECBCB77DF3@YOURA8CFD79427>

I played one to the end  back in 2004. Received (framed on the shop wall) a 
cashiers check for $8,900 with that famed request to mail back the change. 
Took it to the bank for fun, told them it had to be fake. They called the 
bank it was supposedly issued from and they had a fit.
I'm sure this was from Nigeria.
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


The bad English is the give away.
Peter, Oz




> Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were
> looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the
> trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to
> move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a
> different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it
> but I do have the e-mail address
>
> Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one
> part of our conversations!
>
>
> May we have an address so we can have an inspection please
>
>
> At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so
>>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>>A few words about the process:
>>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone
>>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a
>>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they
>>will secure the money.
>>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will
>>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive
>>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the
>>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay
>>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>>
>>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western
>>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>>
>>Regards!
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
> Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
> To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
> Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
> Seems awfully messy!
>
> How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a
> full ownership transfer papers before paying money
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
> > Hi,
> > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in
> hearing details about my caravan.
> > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan
> and the way we can complete a transaction.
> > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy
> about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea
> was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i
> really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration
> taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough
> time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go!
> Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping
> costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price )
> .I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle
> also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will
> be delivered to your DOOR.
> > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for
> it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean
> title.
> > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment
> when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If
> still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do
> this without me being in AU!
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig
>>your not the only one who gets them),
>>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was
>>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him
>>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up
>>with next, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my
>>shipping
>>address is
>>Clive street
>>Albany
>>Western Australia  6330
>>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>>Subject: Re:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>> > question
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Smith
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of
>> >>> your
>> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?,
>> >>> hope
>> >>> to
>> >>> hear from you, cheers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>>
>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> question
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine
>> >>>>> ,i
>> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> need more parts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i
>> >>>need,
>>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>>from the UK.
>>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>>Subject:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
>> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
>> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
>> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
>> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
>> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
>> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>>
>> >>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Feb 22 16:58:39 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
Message-ID: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>

Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 8hp 
Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
Chester.



> Hello Chester
>
> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>
> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>
> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>
> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following details
>
> Sender name
> Address
> Mtcn number
> Exact money sent
>
>
> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>
> Regards
>
> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a friend 
>> in
>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>> cheers,
>> Chester.
>>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Feb 22 17:26:23 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:26:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>

I just looked at that address on Google earth and it is an empty house. 
Possibly due for demolition.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Scam


> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 
> 8hp
> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
> Chester.
>
>
>
>> Hello Chester
>>
>> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
>> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
>> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
>> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>>
>> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>>
>> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>>
>> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following details
>>
>> Sender name
>> Address
>> Mtcn number
>> Exact money sent
>>
>>
>> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
>> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
>> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a friend
>>> in
>>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>>> cheers,
>>> Chester.
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Feb 22 18:26:33 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:26:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
	<8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>
Message-ID: <002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>

Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the money, 
cheers,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


>I just looked at that address on Google earth and it is an empty house.
> Possibly due for demolition.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Scam
>
>
>> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a
>> 8hp
>> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
>> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello Chester
>>>
>>> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
>>> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
>>> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
>>> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>>>
>>> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>>>
>>> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>>>
>>> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following 
>>> details
>>>
>>> Sender name
>>> Address
>>> Mtcn number
>>> Exact money sent
>>>
>>>
>>> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
>>> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
>>> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a 
>>>> friend
>>>> in
>>>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Chester.
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 01:58:05 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:58:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
	<8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>
	<002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the money,
> cheers,
> Chester.

Probably a serviced mailbox.

Email him back and tell him that you have a friend with a trailer who
lives north of London, that will call round with two of his big
friends to help with loading, and they will bring the money with them
when they collect. See what that brings back!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb 23 02:38:20 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:38:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester><8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc><002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
	<6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DB33E1016BA492FA9ECA4CBF5F26114@regpc>

Sounds like a great line to try.
Keep us informed.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


> On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> 
> wrote:
>> Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the 
>> money,
>> cheers,
>> Chester.
>
> Probably a serviced mailbox.
>
> Email him back and tell him that you have a friend with a trailer who
> lives north of London, that will call round with two of his big
> friends to help with loading, and they will bring the money with them
> when they collect. See what that brings back!
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 23 07:25:53 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:25:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

You might want to put the police into the loop and have them watch the box.  You could do your part by mailing a letter to that address with your name promininetly displayed.

When the slimeball picks up the letter, he can be taken into custody to try to rpove that he wasn't in on a swindle.

OR, if you're not one of the folks who think the police can do no wrong, just hire a couple of your handy neighborhood thugs to give the slimeball an "attitude adjustment".

For further information about the term, see the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URvFvF3Ut3g

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 03:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam
> 
> 
> On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith 
> <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the 
> mailbox waiting for the money,
> > cheers,
> > Chester.
> 
> Probably a serviced mailbox.
> 
> Email him back and tell him that you have a 
> friend with a trailer who
> lives north of London, that will call round with 
> two of his big
> friends to help with loading, and they will bring 
> the money with them
> when they collect. See what that brings back!
> 
> Peter




From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb 23 07:30:40 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:30:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
Message-ID: <36B1D215-8A35-463F-BA7A-2F3C96494EF2@me.com>

......don't own a screwdriver! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=34004
	Dave


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 08:46:30 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:46:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb1002230846pf52d326v565b23382b2a8623@mail.gmail.com>

Eldon:
".. just hire a couple of your handy neighborhood thugs to give the
slimeball an "attitude adjustment"."

I'm shocked! I would never hire a criminal. I would tell a criminal or two
about the thousands in cash that is being mailed to the guy and then send an
empty package to the slimebag.

Paul in California, staying honest - somewhat


From no1djc at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 23 12:21:18 2010
From: no1djc at hotmail.com (David Carter)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:21:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W37268C1C9FA75985C4A95892420@phx.gbl>


  Hello Chester, 

I don't live near but I Googled the postcode  "se18 2up", and it doesn't seem to exist, however Plumstead Common Road does. The correct postcode is se18 2ul.

The premises were sold in October last year:-

 

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/174-plumstead-common-road/london/se18-2ul/21122290

 

I wonder if he was the purchaser, and ever met Mr. Steggle!

 

http://www.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/Library/files/planning/DecisonNotices3/1073-06.pdf

 

Have fun!

Regards, Dave Carter.

 

 

 

 

 
> From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:39 +0800
> Subject: [SEL] Scam
> 
> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 8hp 
> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
> Chester.
> 
>  		 	   		  
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 23 14:59:38 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
In-Reply-To: <36B1D215-8A35-463F-BA7A-2F3C96494EF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEOPIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

It may have been germaine to something but the ad's expired.

Tough luck, guy.  It was probably good.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 09:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
> 
> 
> ......don't own a screwdriver! See: 
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.ph
> p?product=34004
> 	Dave




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Feb 25 11:20:51 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:20:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Leather Belting & Leather cups & packing
In-Reply-To: <561279A861C04D538906BAD7D0169668@BA8718F5>
References: <8D7569B75D4A43A1A4E3D44D8EB7701F@peterlowe>,
	<561279A861C04D538906BAD7D0169668@BA8718F5>
Message-ID: <COL106-W33967287B0944FD5056D84B4400@phx.gbl>


here is a link to the above

 

http://www.monarch-mclaren.com/flat_belting.html

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




  		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 06:30:53 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
Message-ID: <b18d.6ec8e254.38b9351d@aol.com>

_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171) 


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 07:31:27 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:31:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <b18d.6ec8e254.38b9351d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>

Arnie NEEDS this!

---- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: 
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171_ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171) 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb 26 08:28:47 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:28:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <F8EB3519-5DDD-489E-A951-981828CD4D77@rustyiron.com>

On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:31 AM, <mr at carolina.rr.com> <mr at carolina.rr.com>  
wrote:

> Arnie NEEDS this!


If nothing else, he can add it to his Lorenz Milk Tester Registry,  
which you can view on his web page.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 11:34:16 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:34:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
Message-ID: <1f646.7898c7ba.38b97c38@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/26/2010 10:40:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

Arnie  NEEDS this!


I had that in mind when I posted it.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 13:23:06 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:23:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <F8EB3519-5DDD-489E-A951-981828CD4D77@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20100226212306.ZOI8L.140794.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

Great, there goes my Diet Coke all over the keyboard!!!!


---- Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote: 
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:31 AM, <mr at carolina.rr.com> <mr at carolina.rr.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Arnie NEEDS this!
> 
> 
> If nothing else, he can add it to his Lorenz Milk Tester Registry,  
> which you can view on his web page.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb 26 16:57:05 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:57:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
Message-ID: <B430ED720C05424FB0839D9B1344B18A@peterlowe>

Hi
It is List member from UK, Nev Beaty's Birthday today, Happy Birthday mate from Oz

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 26 18:38:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:38:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
In-Reply-To: <B430ED720C05424FB0839D9B1344B18A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <121279.44866.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Well Happy Birthday, Nev.
Yesterday was my birthday.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:


From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:57 PM


Hi
It is List member from UK, Nev Beaty's Birthday today, Happy Birthday mate from Oz

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 26 21:18:15 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:18:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <01a202a4d350a9601a41b99ede5fa08a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Ya reckon I could have the gals of the SEL get "tested" at Portland?

On Fri, February 26, 2010 10:31 am, mr at carolina.rr.com wrote:
> Arnie NEEDS this!
>




From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Feb 27 22:15:11 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:15:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Toy.
In-Reply-To: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
References: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <3C31F8CC-D2D8-49E8-9F22-F11F20D19577@rustyiron.com>

Score!





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 22:57:33 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:57:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Toy.
In-Reply-To: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <C7B05F0D.4069%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Very nice. That is the big brother transport compared to Ron?s 3hp.


On 28/2/10 11:26 AM, "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original cast iron
> transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation.
> Brian Watts
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> (03) 97266147
>  
> David Watts
> damewatt at bigpond.com.au
> (03) 87616332
>  
>  Blackstone videos..
> http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts
> The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
> IMG_0296
> 
> Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending
> or receiving certain types of file attachments.  Check your e-mail security
> settings to determine how attachments are handled.



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb 28 15:09:51 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
In-Reply-To: <9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
References: <ODECJOOOFHNCJHIEHLDLKEOECCAA.ketleys@telkomsa.net>
	<9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
Message-ID: <20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>


Congrats Team Canada!




Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206




From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Feb 28 15:23:03 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:23:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
Message-ID: <f119.596190f9.38bc54d7@aol.com>

I agree what a game.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2010 6:20:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:


Congrats Team Canada!




Mark & Christine  Shulaw
Bluffton, OH.  45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 28 17:57:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
In-Reply-To: <20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <ODECJOOOFHNCJHIEHLDLKEOECCAA.ketleys@telkomsa.net>
	<9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
	<20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <D9BFC651-5347-4E3F-8590-AE3AAB022842@me.com>

>
> Congrats Team Canada!

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser!
	Dave



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Feb  2 04:50:48 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:50:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
Message-ID: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch marksman and
and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this morning?????
Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
Curt


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 05:22:45 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:22:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
Message-ID: <30b5.4c566892.38998125@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2010 7:59:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

top  notch marksman and
and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil 


Careful Curt, Peta has gotten involved and wants Phil to be  substituted 
with a robot so that he does not have to live in an  air-conditioned 
environment in the summer and a heated one in the winter.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Feb  2 05:57:53 2010
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:57:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4B682F61.6060606@xplornet.com>

Hello Curt,
	It's cloudy up here at the moment with kind of ice fog in the air. Temp 
is 13F with 60% chance of snow today. Does that mean winter is over for 
us? :-)

Rupert

On 2/2/2010 5:50 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch marksman and
> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this morning?????
> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
> Curt
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 11:35:05 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:35:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
Message-ID: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>

I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept promising a
couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally got around
to it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

through to

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Feb  2 12:19:10 2010
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:19:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>

Hi Peter,

Both of the links do not work.  can you take a look?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists


I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept 
promising a
couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally 
got around
to it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

through to

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From weolson at wiktel.com  Tue Feb  2 12:36:12 2010
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:36:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <971804418.20100202143612@wiktel.com>

Hi Listerdiesel,

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 1:35:05 PM, you wrote:

L> I got hold of some O&R engine info last year, and kept promising a
L> couple of folks that I would scan the stuff, so I finally got around
L> to it:

L> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R1.jpg

L> through to

L> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/O&R5.jpg

L> Peter

Here's what I got when I tried:  
The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. 

-- 
Thanks,  William    Olson                   mailto:weolson at wiktel.com

Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 13:28:13 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:28:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2 February 2010 20:19, Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Both of the links do not work. ?can you take a look?
>
> Jim

Oh, the joys of getting old ! :-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R2.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R3.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R4.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/O&R5.jpg

Left out the 'Misc' folder in the url, sorry!

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb  2 16:20:12 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:20:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>

Hi Peter, That good looking chick that you sleep with has been telling  
me of some of your other FAILURES as well of late!
	Dave
PS, Will you be at Portland this year?
PPS, If you can't make it could you please send your wife and her  
sister? Thanks!
PPPS, Thanks also for the O&R parts list!

On Feb 2, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> Oh, the joys of getting old ! :-))
>
>
> Peter


From ivancou at windstream.net  Tue Feb  2 17:09:06 2010
From: ivancou at windstream.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:09:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com><DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop><6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
Message-ID: <95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>

Better than parts lists ,I have gasket sets and a few NOS parts and a 
dealers manual . Ivan 




From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb  2 19:27:15 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:27:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
	<95B5E79F4F90414CA3F80867016D2653@reg96197eb8820>
Message-ID: <8EA290C8-C29B-4994-A81B-D80DDB229118@me.com>

THANK YOU Peter for the parts list!
	Dave

On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Ivan Cousins wrote:

> Better than parts lists ,I have gasket sets and a few NOS parts and a
> dealers manual . Ivan



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 00:16:14 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:16:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Ohlsson & Rice engine parts lists
In-Reply-To: <C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
References: <6f6025161002021135s4a670caake0d8220bcc37c3ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAC2984318C646BDB4137E36A95DC516@Desktop>
	<6f6025161002021328mc4af998i5e4655039a47af3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C663FBD5-7AC5-4F7F-B396-C9979622289E@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002030016v2a1a69ddlb913fecc6226b1cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 February 2010 00:20, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter, That good looking chick that you sleep with has been telling
> me of some of your other FAILURES as well of late!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, Will you be at Portland this year?
> PPS, If you can't make it could you please send your wife and her
> sister? Thanks!
> PPPS, Thanks also for the O&R parts list!

LOL!

I guess we all have to get there sooner or later, just creeps up on you.... :-))

Rita sends her best, and we do hope to be at Portland this year. The
search is on for a suitably sized King Dick tool (can we say that on a
family mailing list?) for the Charity Auction.

After a lousy trading year in 2009, the factory order book is picking
up well, so we will likely be too busy to make it to Zolfo, which is a
pity as we enjoyed last year's visit.

Catch you later,

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Feb  3 12:50:42 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:50:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

WAY too many State Troopers, TV Fluff Chicks, the Inner Circle, and 100,000 or his
closest friends.  Not a good idea...

On Tue, February 2, 2010 7:50 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed to be top notch
> marksman and
> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head out this
> morning?????
> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
> Curt




From rotigel at me.com  Wed Feb  3 13:03:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:03:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Punxsutawey Phil Saw His Shadow
In-Reply-To: <6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1825738969.2439891265115048127.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<6b2132db0f40ab5d358437c713c18c08.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <015D7FAC-2A46-48F1-8AB2-B7D93645F2DD@me.com>

Flywheelers in three weeks and Zolfo follows the next week. What's the  
problem?
	Dave

On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> WAY too many State Troopers, TV Fluff Chicks, the Inner Circle, and  
> 100,000 or his
> closest friends.  Not a good idea...
>
> On Tue, February 2, 2010 7:50 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> Since there are a couple of good oli boys in PA that are supposed  
>> to be top notch
>> marksman and
>> and shooters hows come you didn't shoot Phil when he stuck his head  
>> out this
>> morning?????
>> Ugh........Six more weeks of winter!
>> Curt
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  6 08:08:01 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:08:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

Yesterday, to my disgust, my "Free" hit counter reset itself back by about 15,000 hits and wouldn't let me correct it.  Short story, I deleted it.

Now, I'd like some kind of counter that I can use.  The free one required visiting their site to download the new number and I've always been a bit nervous about that little feature because of security and load time issues.

Does anyone have a source of code or a simple (cheap!) little routine I can add to my web page to keep hits "in the family"?  I use hit count to make sure the site is worth the effort.  Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.

Thanks!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb  6 07:23:41 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:23:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <47b5fa360cb08c7dd58df632d264e326.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Elden,

Take a look on http://www.tucows.com .  I did a search for "web site hit counter"
and there were loads; both freeware and shareware.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, February 6, 2010 11:08 am, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Now, I'd like some kind of counter that I can use.  The free one required visiting
> their site to download the new number and I've always been a bit nervous about that
> little feature because of security and load time issues.
>
> Does anyone have a source of code or a simple (cheap!) little routine I can add to
> my web page to keep hits "in the family"?  I use hit count to make sure the site is
> worth the effort.  Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 09:30:44 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:30:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
>?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Take care - Elden

The hit counters register visitors passing through the page where
their code is located, they don't appear to have any way to register
visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.

We've had one for years, but the figures are meaningless unless you
can have ALL the visitor information.

Ours is provided free by www.statcounter.com.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  6 17:05:22 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:05:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the URL!  I'm fiddling with it now.

I know that, if you've been using it for a while, it MUST be good!   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
> 
> 
> On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand 
> <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if 
> anyone uses the site.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> The hit counters register visitors passing 
> through the page where
> their code is located, they don't appear to have 
> any way to register
> visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
> 
> We've had one for years, but the figures are 
> meaningless unless you
> can have ALL the visitor information.
> 
> Ours is provided free by www.statcounter.com.
> 
> Peter




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 19:01:08 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My club website
In-Reply-To: <4B645DBC.2050009@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <695915.19307.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The only thing?I didn't like about the site is the web address does not change 
between the pages. It all happens there.
All that means is it is hard to copy the link to email someone to send them a 
direct link to that sweet car that is for sale.
Other than that I really like the site.
AND, I am here on stupid IE

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com> wrote:


From: Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:26 AM


Jerry,
Nice website.? The only thing that I noticed was that the 
title-origin-banner at the top of the page seemed to blend in to the 
whole page and not stand out much.? Possibly adding color to the graphic 
, or it may just be my older monitor.


-- 
<< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>

Jerry Evans wrote:

> 
>? ? ? ? ? I'd really appreciate some criticism and input.
> 
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 00:05:28 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:05:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 February 2010 01:05, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for the URL! ?I'm fiddling with it now.
>
> I know that, if you've been using it for a while, it MUST be good! ? :-)
>
> Take care - Elden

We were interested initially in seeing what kind of response we were
getting, and we can still log onto their site and check the details,
but 90% of the visitors to our websites go directly to a page that has
been listed, rather than go all the way through the main index page,
so what you get back is only part of the story.

The last check showed the following:

Page Loads	Unique Visitors	First Time Visitors	Returning Visitors
Total	                       443	          327	      282	                  45
Average	                55	           41	        35	                   6

Day	      Date	       Page Loads	Unique Visitors	First Time
Visitors	Returning Visitors
Sunday	7th Feb	    17	                             11	            9	
                         2
Saturday	6th Feb	    46	                             38	
31	                            7
Friday	5th Feb	    45	                             35	            32	
                          3
Thursday	4th Feb         64	                             44	
 36	                            8
Wednesday 3rd Feb	    65	                             47	
41	                            6
Tuesday	2nd Feb	    80	                             62	            55	
                           7
Monday	1st Feb	    50	                             40	            36	
                          4
Sunday	31st Jan	    76	                             50	            42
	                    8

Hopefully that won't get too screwed by the browsers!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 00:10:04 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:10:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025161002060930l1d2a976fwe386484ddf3bcb06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEHNIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6f6025161002070005x7f4b2cedld33b8f719f345163@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002070010x4dc3dac0q55d314815217a8aa@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 February 2010 08:05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hopefully that won't get too screwed by the browsers!

It did!

I did a screendump and put it up on one of the websites:

http://www.stationary-engine.net/Forum/Images/Uploaded/WebsiteDump.jpg

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Feb  7 02:42:08 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:42:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT question please
Message-ID: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>

Hi all
Off topic - does anyone in these two group subscribe to ancestry.com that could look something up for me with me having to subscribe.
I am trying to help an old gentleman, who is dying of cancer, find his great great grand father's details.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From bethell at internode.on.net  Sun Feb  7 23:13:12 2010
From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim & Geraldine Bethell)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:13:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT question please
In-Reply-To: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>
References: <7C7A727CD36F480DAA0C9D3E676B2800@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <C2B8C937F826473593943FD0504E2C39@bethell>

Peter,
Send me the details and I will see what I can find as I am also researching 
and have contacts who may help out.
regards
Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT question please


> Hi all
> Off topic - does anyone in these two group subscribe to ancestry.com that 
> could look something up for me with me having to subscribe.
> I am trying to help an old gentleman, who is dying of cancer, find his 
> great great grand father's details.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> Skype name: ozengines
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 14:46:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:46:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1265562002.27587.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207223448.00cfdd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 07/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:30:44 +0000
>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
><snip>
>On 6 February 2010 16:08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >?Without a counter, I have no idea at all if anyone uses the site.
> > Thanks!>
> > Take care - Elden
>
>The hit counters register visitors passing through the page where
>their code is located, they don't appear to have any way to register
>visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
>
>We've had one for years, but the figures are meaningless unless you
>can have ALL the visitor information.

Hi Elden and Peter,
         (**** APOLOGY to other list members - this is not about engines 
and will only be of interest to guys who spend time developing their 
(engine) webpages. Apologies but the "delete" key is right there on the 
bottom right hand side of most keyboards - use it!*** not you Jim D there 
is a question for you lower down :-))

         On my Oldengine page I have also made use of a few of the "hit 
counters" offered as freebies by many sites on the net but as Peter 
mentions they only work on the particular page that they are placed on 
(there may be others available that I do not have experience with). They 
are great when you put up a new page (with a counter on that page) and send 
the link (to that page) to (say) the lists. As you (Elden) mentioned they 
let you know if people are really interested in what you have to say.

         In my experience of the "free counters" I have found the following 
drawbacks
         i) You have to give your e-mail address to register or receive the 
code (not all of them but their spiders will find it on your site) - this 
leads to an increase in spam sent to you. (Nothing is free - they sell your 
address to spammers to cover their costs and make a profit). This is easy 
to overcome by getting a free email addy from someone like hotmail and 
giving it a unique and recognizable name like 
"register-freecount at hotmail.com". Use this address when signing up and when 
spam gets delivered to this account you know where it came from.

         ii) Some of them only allow the use of the code on one page. When 
you put up another page you have to set up a different false e-mail address 
to do so. O.K., it's not a major problem, if you're prepared to do that 
then it's fine.

         iii) Again, as mentioned by Peter, anyone clicking on the link 
that you send by e-mail will only be counted as a hit on that page. This is 
fine for most of us but it will not reflect actual "hits" on your site - 
ie. anyone entering through your front page from a search engine or website 
link.

         Having said that, I do not want to be totally negative - the free 
counters are useful and will allow you to see information that you want 
(Does anyone look at my page?)- just understand that nothing is "free" and 
you will (in most cases) get extra spam but that can be overcome.

         (Maybe I'm just obsessed with spam but I'm very proud of the fact 
that I've had my main e-mail address from early internet days, somewhere 
about 1991/2 or thereabouts and am in a constant fight against spam. This 
address is on many spam lists but I do not want to delete it so spend a lot 
of time writing "rules" on the server. Just one of my idiosyncrasies !)

         ***(Engine guys, if you ignored my previous warning, I strongly 
advise you to use that "delete" button now :-) except you Jim D )***

         O.K. away from free counters. Nothing beats proper web site 
statistics. On my business site as well as the new Club site our web 
hosting company supplies really good statistics (from a third party 
company) probably very similar to the graph the Peter supplied. In these 
stats I can see so much data - I can see I.P. addresses that the request 
for my page came from, hits per week, hits per day, hits per hour, did the 
hit's come from bookmarks or search engines, which search engines indexed 
the site, how often and when and many more stats. but that's irrelevant to 
our discussion.

         Now my question to Jim but first let me once again thank you, Jim 
Dunmeyer, for the tremendous gift that you give us engine people by 
allowing us to place our websites on Oldengine.org with no restrictions, no 
advertising, no nonsense. I probably understand what this costs you more 
than most.

         Jim, on my business website, the provider has a very small CGI 
script that I can place on any page and it puts a counter on that page (the 
same as all the free counters but without the spam)(you can "view 
source"  on <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/nav.html>    near the bottom). This 
counter only works on the page it is placed on (as mentioned) and is not 
part of the aforementioned "web site statistics". I can put it on any page 
of the site (same code) and it will place a counter there independent of 
any other counters on the site. The advantage being that I do not need to 
register (and receive spam). Does the "Oldengine.org" server support cgi 
and do they have a script (and the corresponding files on the server) like 
this available that we could use without costing you anything extra?

         That's all for now, apologies for the long uninteresting (to most) 
post but as we all know "S**t H*****s". :-) ( I did warn you to use the 
"Delete" button!!!)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 12:32:55 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:32:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our club website /follow up. (maybe O.T.)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207212001.03bf1008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A big thank you to everyone who replied to my original post (both 
on and off list). Apologies that I have not replied earlier but I've been 
pretty busy this last week.

         One problem that was pointed out to me was that the banner on top 
was disappearing off the right hand side of the screen when viewed with 
monitors set to 1024 x 768 - this was immediately fixed.

         Another BIG THANK YOU to all of those who logged onto the page. 
The website stats (not the counter now installed on the front page - the 
actual detailed stats provided by our hosting company) showed a marked 
increase in "hits" from the time I sent that mail out to the lists which 
lasted for about 3 days. The graphs really skyrocketed. When I printed 
these out and showed them to the club they earned me many "pats on the 
back" and congratulations <big grin>. Many thanks guys and gals. You can 
always rely on engine people!

         Also, possibly due to the surge in traffic "Googlebot" and 
"Yahoo's Slurper" (these are the automated robot programmes used by Google 
and Yahoo) have been hitting the site about 10 times a day - that's great 
for a website owner and has to do with your search engine rankings. 
Previously they were hitting far less frequently.

         Now for everyone that asked me to include links to their sites. I 
have done this and hope I have not left anyone out. If you asked, check the 
page again <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/> and I've forgotten to add yours 
please drop me a mail off list and I'll get it done immediately. (I expect 
reciprocal links :-). That also goes for anyone else who would like a link 
to their site added.

         Talking about links - link pages can sometimes be very boring but 
there is a reason why they are important to website owners. Google and 
other search engines use the number of external links (That's the number of 
links to "your page" that they find on other peoples pages) in determining 
your ranking (it may only be a small part of their equation but "every 
little bit helps" when you are trying to get better search engine 
listings). So if anyone would like to do me a favour then please add links 
to both my own site on Oldengine.org  <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/> as 
well as our club site <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za/> I would appreciate it. 
Drop me an "off list" mail and I'll reciprocate by adding your link to the 
above 2 sites. If your "Links" page uses a "pic" let me know and I'll 
supply these as well. Many thanks.

         Why are search engine rankings important? Because you can really 
impress your mates when you type a string like "Wolseley engine south 
africa" into Google's search box and your site comes first in the listings 
<Extra big smile> (try it). Or even "Wolseley WD9". It even works in Google 
images !!

         O.K. that's all for now. many thanks once again, you are the best.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb  7 11:23:56 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:23:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] My club website/Answers O.T.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1265562002.27587.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207195903.00d04bb0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 07/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:01:08 -0800 (PST)
>From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <695915.19307.qm at web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>The only thing?I didn't like about the site is the web address does not 
>change
>between the pages. It all happens there.
>All that means is it is hard to copy the link to email someone to send them a
>direct link to that sweet car that is for sale.
>Other than that I really like the site.
>AND, I am here on stupid IE
>
>Alan in Michigan
>
>--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Bob Matthews <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My club website
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:26 AM
>
>
>Jerry,
>Nice website.? The only thing that I noticed was that the
>title-origin-banner at the top of the page seemed to blend in to the
>whole page and not stand out much.? Possibly adding color to the graphic
>, or it may just be my older monitor.
>
>
>--
><< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> >
> >? ? ? ? ? I'd really appreciate some criticism and input.


Hi Alan,Bob, and all,

         First let me answer Alan's question. You are correct Alan that it 
only shows the index in the address bar. This is because the site uses 
frames and the page you log on to <index.html> only contains what is known 
as the "frameset". Thereafter, all links clicked from the "menu" which is 
positioned in the left hand frame open in the right hand frame - the whole 
page and menu do not reload every time you click a link - only the frame 
that you are viewing in the right hand frame loads and changes. The reason 
I did this is that the javascript menu (in the left frame) is fairly big 
(Kilobytes) (Currently only about 200 Kbytes but it will grow with time) 
and is the slowest loading part of the site - many of our club members (as 
well  as others overseas) still have slow connections so this is better for 
them as they do not have to wait for the menu to reload every time they 
click a link.

         There are many "Pros & Cons" to using frames and what you 
mentioned is one of the "cons". If you could copy the link of one of the 
content pages and send it to your mate he would arrive directly at that 
page but not contained in the "Frameset" and would have no way of looking 
at the rest of the site from there. There are "javascripts" available that 
will force a visitor coming from such a link to the page to be reloaded 
within the frameset but I have not got there yet. It will happen soon.

         One small point however, If you were using a "decent" browser like 
Firefox instead of that Microsoft rubbish you would have the option of 
right clicking on any particular frame and then viewing only that frame - 
then it's easy to bookmark or copy the link to that page :-)   (Also, IE 
does not render the colours of our page correctly for some unexplained 
reason) Use Firefox it's a million times better :-)

O.K. Now for Bob's answer:
         Hi Bob,
         No it is not because of your older monitor. The page and banner 
was designed to look like that with the banner blending into the background 
- almost as if it were embossed on a sheet of paper (or a plastered and 
painted wall). It is the theme used throughout the site. If you log on 
again <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za> and look at the new section in the menu 
"Trading Post" /Services you will see more pics done that way.
         It may not be everyone's "cup of tea" but it is different and part 
of the general design of the site.
         Thank you for taking the time to reply, that's what I asked people 
to do and your answer was appreciated.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb  7 19:07:38 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:07:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100207223448.00cfdd68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEIFIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Thanks for your informative post!  I've been doing my web page for five years or so and still learn something new all the time.

Peter says the counter that he recommended is good and that's the one I'm using now.  They offer stats, etc. and I'll see what I can glean from them.   They also allow entering the code in multiple pages.  I may do that to all the pages eventually just to see what I can get away with lopping-off for more popular topics.  This will also save space on Jim's server.

Thanks for linking my page.  I've returned the favor.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 04:47 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hit Counter (somewhat O.T.)
> >
> >The hit counters register visitors passing 
> through the page where
> >their code is located, they don't appear to have 
> any way to register
> >visitors who go direct to a specific page or url.
> >
> >We've had one for years, but the figures are 
> meaningless unless you
> >can have ALL the visitor information.

.....................snippety snip........................




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 09:52:35 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:52:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mawdsley's / Lister History
Message-ID: <6f6025161002080952x58a1ae40we00497ac382f52ef@mail.gmail.com>

Found this while looking for soething else (as you do!)

Thought that it might be of interest, and also corrects my wrong
spelling of the company name :-))

http://www.dursleyglos.org.uk/downloads/miscellaneous/mawdsleys_history.pdf

I dealt with them in the 1970's when they produced 110V 1000A dynamos
for the Film & TV industries, mainly for running 110V DC Arc Lights
(Mole-Richardson 'Brutes' - 25kW ) and regular filament light up to
10kW each,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:06:36 2010
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:06:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
Message-ID: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>



The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been replicated in New Zealand.See it run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Feb  8 14:32:13 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:32:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100208173111.0d4cc200@ncweb.com>

Absolutely brilliant!

Dave Merchant


At 03:06 PM 2/8/2010, you wrote:


>The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been 
>replicated in New Zealand.See it 
>run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action
>
>Bruce Younger
>
>05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
>
>Madison, SD
>
>sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted
>armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else 
>thereafter."
>
>E. Hemingway
>
>
>
>
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http://www.nesys.org
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"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Feb  8 14:38:09 2010
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:38:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?
References: <BAY127-W114FC0F3B7CC876DC87B8BCB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A6879040DAEF7@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

I've seen Gnome rotary engines run but not one of these.
  Jim K.

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Subject: [SEL] Ever seen a rotary run?





The engine that powered the Red Baron's Fokker Dr1 Triplane has been replicated in New Zealand.See it run.  http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/oberursel-engine/urii-action

Bruce Younger  

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From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  8 14:59:10 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
Message-ID: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,
After? a long absence I just had to come back to ask a few questions from the experts.? You see, I'm involved in restoring (more like un-mothballing) a couple of Fairbanks Morse model 47 diesels.? These are the big ones, 14"x18".? One is a single?75hp and right beside it is a double 150hp both direct coupled to alternators.? They are in their original positions in a powerhouse here in SW Michigan.? Our intent is to get them fully functional, powering various decorative lighting at a restored amusement park/museum.
We have found a wealth of information on everything except the engines and associated parts, thus the questions.
Does anyone have any knowledge on the 47's?? There are manuals and all sorts of information on the model 'Y's but I haven't found anything on the 47's.? In fact the only other one I have any knowledge of is at Coolspring Power Museum.? I sent an e-mail to them for help this weekend.
Most of the operation of the engine is straight forward but I need to know if the fuel transfer pump from the tank supplied any pressure to the injector pump or was it just flow?? If it was just flow then how was pressure supplied to the blowtorches for starting, and how much?? Was it just a couple of inches or 10lbs??? They seem to have been tied right into the fuel supply to the filter on the engine thus the confusion.
Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I realize our terminology is much different than it was in the '30's.
Is there supposed to be a chimney around the 'glow plug'?? I can't see how it should have been as the plug is immediately below the injector.? It just seems there should be some sort of something to direct the heat away from the injector.
?I appreciate all your help and?as soon as I am able I will send pictures.? The building is in a state of disarray but it to will be restored to it's art-deco splendor in the near future.
Thanks,
David Myers
Paw Paw, MI


      

From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Feb  8 16:27:55 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:27:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

.......................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI




From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  8 17:07:07 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <659702.27562.qm@web55903.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thank you Eldon.? We'll give it a try.? 
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 7:27 PM


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

........................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene?? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

.......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 18:10:21 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:10:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEIMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002001caa92d$089c3d80$0201a8c0@mikecomp>

Regular Diesel will be just fine.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

.......................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Feb  8 18:48:39 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:48:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe389cc9b974154c4c3c50f1c0163f26.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi David,

Have you seen this video clip of the one at Coolspring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, February 8, 2010 5:59 pm, David Myers wrote:
> Hi guys,
> After? a long absence I just had to come back to ask a few questions from the
> experts.? You see, I'm involved in restoring (more like un-mothballing) a couple of
> Fairbanks Morse model 47 diesels.? These are the big ones, 14"x18".? One is a
> single?75hp and right beside it is a double 150hp both direct coupled to
> alternators.? They are in their original positions in a powerhouse here in SW
> Michigan.? Our intent is to get them fully functional, powering various decorative
> lighting at a restored amusement park/museum.
> We have found a wealth of information on everything except the engines and
> associated parts, thus the questions.
> Does anyone have any knowledge on the 47's?? There are manuals and all sorts of
> information on the model 'Y's but I haven't found anything on the 47's.? In fact the
> only other one I have any knowledge of is at Coolspring Power Museum.? I sent an
> e-mail to them for help this weekend.




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Feb  8 18:50:35 2010
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
References: <833214.98858.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01caa932$a8894db0$b4d34c0c@D48VHZ61>


 Don't know the models but both the shows at Reidsville, NC and Denton, NC 
have big Fairbanks diesels. The engine at the Reidsville show actually makes 
the electricity to pull their sawmill. I don't know who to contact but would 
imagine these shows are in any current show listing.
What's the chance Fairbanks still has info. on these? I believe Fairbanks is 
owned by Colt industries but am not certain.

John Hall



From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 07:02:43 2010
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:02:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
Message-ID: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/8/2010 8:49:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA


WOW!  Nice clip---thanks sooo much
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx
 
 
old stovers!!!


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb  9 07:52:14 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:52:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>
References: <64a3.1cbb4a4f.38a2d313@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54ebaacb0f10213f087dfc2fa31744ee.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Sadly the clip just doesn't do justice to the wonderful deep
thump-thump-thump of the exhaust.  True stack music.

You NEED to visit Coolspring and enjoy it in person.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 10:02 am, gastzt at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA
> WOW!  Nice clip---thanks sooo much
>  Stan - Pleasanton, Tx





From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 08:21:07 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:21:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <54ebaacb0f10213f087dfc2fa31744ee.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



Arnie-san,? Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
? When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?? Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 7:52 AM


Sadly the clip just doesn't do justice to the wonderful deep
thump-thump-thump of the exhaust.? True stack music.

You NEED to visit Coolspring and enjoy it in person.

See ya,? Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 10:02 am, gastzt at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA
> WOW!? Nice clip---thanks sooo much
>? Stan - Pleasanton, Tx



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Feb  9 10:20:54 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:20:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d0a5aa1e380a74c580e9936e19783afb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Konichiwa Young-san,

Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

I hope to see you there.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>
> Arnie-san,? Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year??
> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.




From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:14:10 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:14:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <fe389cc9b974154c4c3c50f1c0163f26.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <103596.80426.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Arnie,
Yes thank you, I have and Mike's is the only one I have found.? I have spent a lot of time studying the video and it has?helped but doesn't answer all my questions.? ?I wrote the museum this weekend but have yet to hear anything.? Does anyone know Mike to either forward a request for information or send me contact info? 
>From the lack of finding any other engines or literature or anything it appears to me at this time that these were not?popular engines and they may be 'scarcer than hen's teeth'.

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:48 PM


Hi David,

Have you seen this video clip of the one at Coolspring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocugWirGSGA

See ya,? Arnie




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:15:36 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:15:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <002001caa92d$089c3d80$0201a8c0@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <954457.8160.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks Mike.? This helps.
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:


From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:10 PM


Regular Diesel will be just fine.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions


David:

I think you can safely run your engines on today's #2 Diesel.

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of David Myers
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 04:59 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
> 
> 
> Hi guys,

........................................snip..........................

> Will these run on #1 diesel or do I need 
> kerosene? The manual for the 'Y' that I have 
> just mentions not using to heavy of fuel, I 
> realize our terminology is much different than it 
> was in the '30's.

.......................snip..........................

> Thanks,
> David Myers
> Paw Paw, MI


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From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 17:17:15 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:17:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
In-Reply-To: <001a01caa932$a8894db0$b4d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <846571.82758.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'll check them both out.? Thanks
David

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:


From: John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse model 47 questions
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:50 PM



Don't know the models but both the shows at Reidsville, NC and Denton, NC 
have big Fairbanks diesels. The engine at the Reidsville show actually makes 
the electricity to pull their sawmill. I don't know who to contact but would 
imagine these shows are in any current show listing.
What's the chance Fairbanks still has info. on these? I believe Fairbanks is 
owned by Colt industries but am not certain.

John Hall

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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 06:51:42 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

TO: Jacob
From: Bill Young
RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net




Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types of
magnetos? Jacob

Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of my own.
(1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I imagined that?I had a real need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could not find a distributor in Japan.
(2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 30 beginning at the hinge.
?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
(3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away from the hinge in one inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather?than Gauss.
(4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed everything.? It was then that I became disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? Different reading.
(5)? My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the expensive meter.? I was getting an average reading of magnetic strength rather than point to point readings.
? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?? 
??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in village and city, maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?

( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )





      

From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Wed Feb 10 18:21:02 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:21:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
Message-ID: <1b68d.5ed45231.38a4c38e@aol.com>

Can anyone tell me what engine this igniter belongs to? Part #  H26
Thanks 
Kevin K 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Feb 10 20:42:13 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:42:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill-san:

I haven't used my gaussmeter on but a few magnetos, not enough to get a good idea of the strength range but I may take it to Zolfo and sneak some readings.

The one I built seems to be relatively accurate and easy to use.  I mainly use it around my shop for determining the polarity of the small rare-earth magnets I use for ignition triggers on my home-built engines and others.  

I believe it can be useful to determine the necessity of recharging magnets once a table of the strengths of various magnets is done.  What would be really interesting is to measure a "weak" magnet then recharge it on a high quality charger, one that will maximize the magnetism, then re-measure the magnet to determine the improvement.  After finishing the mag, get a relative reading on the spark strength (and so on).

BTW What are you doing in Thailand?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 08:52 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I 
> imagined that?I had a real need for one because I 
> was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could 
> not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> ?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
> ?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a 
> hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made 
> notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 
> 30 beginning at the hinge.
> ?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
> would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away from the hinge in one 
> inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an 
> idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch 
> pounds rather?than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not 
> cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I 
> gaussed everything.? It was then that I became 
> disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any 
> magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a 
> quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? 
> Different reading.
> (5)? My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the 
> expensive meter.? I was getting an average 
> reading of magnetic strength rather than point to 
> point readings.
> ? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?? 
> ??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy 
> on the block with one. Also in village and city, 
> maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )




From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 20:08:09 2010
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:08:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <395987.47208.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Link to build one and some information if interested.
?
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm




________________________________
From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 11:42:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth

Bill-san:

I haven't used my gaussmeter on but a few magnetos, not enough to get a good idea of the strength range but I may take it to Zolfo and sneak some readings.

The one I built seems to be relatively accurate and easy to use.? I mainly use it around my shop for determining the polarity of the small rare-earth magnets I use for ignition triggers on my home-built engines and others.? 

I believe it can be useful to determine the necessity of recharging magnets once a table of the strengths of various magnets is done.? What would be really interesting is to measure a "weak" magnet then recharge it on a high quality charger, one that will maximize the magnetism, then re-measure the magnet to determine the improvement.? After finishing the mag, get a relative reading on the spark strength (and so on).

BTW What are you doing in Thailand?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 08:52 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: ?jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of?December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)? I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.? I 
> imagined that?I had a real need for one because I 
> was doing many EKs for the local lads, I?could 
> not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)? So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> ?? (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.? 
> ?? (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a 
> hinged lever arm.? But before mounting, I made 
> notches every inch and numbered? them from 1 to 
> 30 beginning at the hinge.
> ?? (C)? Then I made an "S" hook which??? 
> would?connect? the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away from the hinge in one 
> inch increments.? Thus my "quantifier" gave me an 
> idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch 
> pounds rather?than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese?engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not 
> cheap.? I was so happy with my purchase; I 
> gaussed everything.? It was then that I became 
> disillusioned.? Put the probe on any spot of any 
> magnet; note the reading.? Now, move the probe a 
> quarter inch in any direction.? Guess what?? 
> Different reading.
> (5)? My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the 
> expensive meter.? I was getting an average 
> reading of magnetic strength rather than point to 
> point readings.
> ? Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?? 
> ??? My greatest satisfaction?? I was the only guy 
> on the block with one. Also in village and city, 
> maybe even in the??county.? Comments please.? Bill?
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com? )


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Feb 10 21:53:41 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:53:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <395987.47208.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a link to my Gaussmeter article:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul
> Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Link to build one and some information if interested.
> ?
> http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 11 03:10:27 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:10:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
In-Reply-To: <1b68d.5ed45231.38a4c38e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <708736.91159.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Kevin,
?
You didn't show us a picture so it is hard to help you.
You can help yourself probably by going to this page provided by the Late Great Ted Brookover.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
?
IHTH
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 2/10/10, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com> wrote:


From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
Subject: [SEL] Igniter help needed
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:21 PM


Can anyone tell me what engine this igniter belongs to? Part #? H26
Thanks 
Kevin K 
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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 11 09:46:08 2010
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:46:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com>,
	<530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W47EF163507F8B6201A83FFB44E0@phx.gbl>


Bill,

 

Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc.  

 

Ed Herreid
 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of my own.
> (1)  I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way.  I imagined that I had a real need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I could not find a distributor in Japan.
> (2)  So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>    (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.  
>    (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm.  But before mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered  them from 1 to 30 beginning at the hinge.
>    (C)  Then I made an "S" hook which    
> would connect  the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away from the hinge in one inch increments.  Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold Gauss meters -- not cheap.  I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed everything.  It was then that I became disillusioned.  Put the probe on any spot of any magnet; note the reading.  Now, move the probe a quarter inch in any direction.  Guess what?  Different reading.
> (5)  My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool than the expensive meter.  I was getting an average reading of magnetic strength rather than point to point readings.
>   Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?  
>     My greatest satisfaction?  I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in village and city, maybe even in the  county.  Comments please.  Bill 
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address: 
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com  )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Feb  9 14:20:30 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <d0a5aa1e380a74c580e9936e19783afb.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>

The fall show in October is good too...

Dave Merchant


At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>Konichiwa Young-san,
>
>Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>
>I hope to see you there.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
> >
> > Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> > When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
> > Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 10:48:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:48:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEJHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <924BDB1A-840A-4D10-B42D-04B69F6E4207@me.com>

Hi Elden,
	Years ago Ted Brookover showed me how to test a magnet using a  
screwdriver. Remind me to show you Ted's "secret" at Zolfo this year!
		Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Paul:
>
> It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a link to my Gaussmeter  
> article:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Paul
>> Russell
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:08 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> Link to build one and some information if interested.
>>
>> http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 10:52:07 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:52:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
References: <127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <81E0C990-46EA-4A48-92E3-EB55A90C1332@me.com>

The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
	Dave

On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> The fall show in October is good too...
>
> Dave Merchant
>
>
> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>
>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>
>> I hope to see you there.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>
>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>         - University of East Anglia
>         - Norwich, UK
>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Feb 11 11:25:33 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:25:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <81E0C990-46EA-4A48-92E3-EB55A90C1332@me.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>

It's a real show, lots of big engines running!

Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.

Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex

...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!

Dave Merchant


At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>         Dave
>
>On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>
> > The fall show in October is good too...
> >
> > Dave Merchant
> >
> >
> > At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
> >> Konichiwa Young-san,
> >>
> >> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
> >> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
> >>
> >> I hope to see you there.
> >>
> >> See ya,  Arnie
> >>
> >> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
> >>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
> >>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Dave Merchant
> > kosh at nesys.com
> > nesys_com at ameritech.net
> > dmerchant at layerzero.com
> >
> > http://www.nesys.com
> > http://www.nesys.org
> > YouTube: SteamCrane
> >
> > "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> > to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> > and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
> >         - Prof. Phil Jones
> >         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
> >         - School of Environmental Sciences
> >         - University of East Anglia
> >         - Norwich, UK
> >         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
         - Prof. Phil Jones
         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
         - School of Environmental Sciences
         - University of East Anglia
         - Norwich, UK
         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Feb 11 13:26:19 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:26:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
Message-ID: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.

Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio show?

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Feb 11 14:59:56 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:59:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <924BDB1A-840A-4D10-B42D-04B69F6E4207@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEJMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Brother Dave:

You'll have to remind me to remind you to show me.  CRS Syndrome, dont'cha know?

Take care - Elden  .......   What day is it, anyway?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:49 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Hi Elden,
> 	Years ago Ted Brookover showed me how to 
> test a magnet using a  
> screwdriver. Remind me to show you Ted's "secret" 
> at Zolfo this year!
> 		Dave
> 
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Paul:
> >
> > It looks like an interesting link.  Here's a 
> link to my Gaussmeter  
> > article:
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Feb 11 15:10:29 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:10:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>


	Looks like August 5-7, 2010. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just;
that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas jefferson



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August

Hi Folks,

I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.

Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio show?

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 15:30:42 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:30:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>

Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
	Dave
PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!

On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:

> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>
> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>
> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>
> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>
> Dave Merchant
>
>
> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>        Dave
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>
>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>
>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>         - University of East Anglia
>         - Norwich, UK
>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 15:32:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:32:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
Message-ID: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>

Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010  
calendar?
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have  
> removed
> their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that  
> these
> liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated  
> but with
> His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God  
> is just;
> that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie  
> Fero
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>
> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay  
> Ohio show?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Feb 11 15:49:19 2010
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
Message-ID: <0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>

PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is not something that 
should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS


> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
> Dave
> PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>
>> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>>
>> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>>
>> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>
>> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>>
>> Dave Merchant
>>
>>
>> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>>        Dave
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>>
>>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>>
>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>>
>>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>>
>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>>
>>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Dave Merchant
>> kosh at nesys.com
>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>
>> http://www.nesys.com
>> http://www.nesys.org
>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>
>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>         - Prof. Phil Jones
>>         - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>         - School of Environmental Sciences
>>         - University of East Anglia
>>         - Norwich, UK
>>         - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Thu Feb 11 16:05:49 2010
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:05:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com><5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
Message-ID: <D009F5B649BA4E8F8CE22F7B8F78AEF9@YOURDA6F5028CB>

SWAP MEAT?
Dave



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 16:09:33 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:09:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS (Now COOLSPRING)
In-Reply-To: <0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<127105.38788.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100209171907.0d34fb30@ncweb.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20100211142109.0d5d48f0@ncweb.com>
	<30A83329-1249-4DF2-8E45-258E27177489@me.com>
	<0df101caab74$d630d140$6401a8c0@PC179134136174>
Message-ID: <9D9B2ECE-25D7-4173-8722-0AA4E93FAE34@me.com>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
	Dave
PS, Shit, I got it right the first time didn't I?

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is not something  
> that
> should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>
>
>> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring calls it a SWAP MEAT!
>> Dave
>> PS, Also, it's Coolspring, NOT Coolspring_s_!
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> It's a real show, lots of big engines running!
>>>
>>> Go to my + my son's YouTube to see what happens at the fall show.
>>>
>>> Me:     <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>>> Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>>
>>> ...maybe not as many little engines, but the big stuff runs!
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:52 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>>> The fall show is really a swap meet--NOT a show!
>>>>       Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The fall show in October is good too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> Konichiwa Young-san,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coolspring is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>>> http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to see you there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, February 9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand )
>>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place this year?
>>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since Portland a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Merchant
>>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real  
>>>>> temps
>>>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>>       - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>>       - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>>       - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>>>       - University of East Anglia
>>>>>       - Norwich, UK
>>>>>       - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>> http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>> YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich, UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Feb 11 16:13:09 2010
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
	<6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
Message-ID: <C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>


	I looked at the schedule of shows on the web. They have a web site
but I could not find it directly. 


Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW
Bowling Green, Ohio

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just;
that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas jefferson



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August

Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010 calendar?
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have 
> removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people 
> that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be 
> violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I 
> reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie 
> Fero
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>
> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio 
> show?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Feb 11 16:45:36 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS (Now COOLSPRING)
Message-ID: <18f40.13b9933a.38a5feb0@aol.com>

Now that's something I am going to do this year is barbeque  my own  meat 
at Coolsprings.  Oh I meant a good steak or some kabob's. 
Can't Wait
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/11/2010 7:19:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Dave
PS, Shit, I got it right the  first time didn't I?

On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Rick Rowlands  wrote:

> PPS, its SWAP MEET, not SWAP MEAT!  Swapping meat is  not something  
> that
> should be discussed on a family type  forum!  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The  SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL]  COOLSPRINGS
>
>
>> Have it your way Dave, but Coolspring  calls it a SWAP MEAT!
>> Dave
>> PS, Also, it's Coolspring,  NOT Coolspring_s_!
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Dave  Merchant wrote:
>>
>>> It's a real show, lots of big  engines running!
>>>
>>> Go to my + my son's YouTube  to see what happens at the fall show.
>>>
>>>  Me:      <http://www.youtube.com/user/SteamCrane>SteamCrane
>>>  Kid:    wurlitzer153duplex
>>>
>>> ...maybe  not as many little engines, but the big stuff  runs!
>>>
>>> Dave  Merchant
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:52 PM  2/11/2010, you wrote:
>>>> The fall show is really a swap  meet--NOT a show!
>>>>        Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Dave  Merchant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The fall show in  October is good too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave  Merchant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  At 01:20 PM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> Konichiwa  Young-san,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coolspring  is June 17, 18, 19, 2010.
>>>>>>  http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I hope to see you  there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,   Arnie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, February  9, 2010 11:21 am, William Young  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Arnie-san,  Bill Young here ( Chiang Mai, Thailand  )
>>>>>>> When will the Coolsprings event take place  this year?
>>>>>>> Have not seen you in person since  Portland a few years  ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>  SEL mailing list
>>>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dave Merchant
>>>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>>>  nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>>>  dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.nesys.com
>>>>>  http://www.nesys.org
>>>>> YouTube:  SteamCrane
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've just  completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real   
>>>>> temps
>>>>> to each series for the  last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>>>> and from 1961 for  Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>>>     - Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>>     - Director, Climatic Research Unit
>>>>>   - School of Environmental  Sciences
>>>>>       - University of  East Anglia
>>>>>       - Norwich,  UK
>>>>>       - To: Michael Mann,  Raymond Bradley, Malcolm  Hughes
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL  mailing list
>>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL  mailing list
>>>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>  Dave Merchant
>>> kosh at nesys.com
>>>  nesys_com at ameritech.net
>>>  dmerchant at layerzero.com
>>>
>>>  http://www.nesys.com
>>> http://www.nesys.org
>>>  YouTube: SteamCrane
>>>
>>> "I've just completed  Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
>>> to each series  for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
>>> and from 1961 for  Keith's to hide the decline."
>>>        -  Prof. Phil Jones
>>>        - Director,  Climatic Research Unit
>>>        - School of  Environmental Sciences
>>>        - University  of East Anglia
>>>        - Norwich,  UK
>>>        - To: Michael Mann, Raymond  Bradley, Malcolm Hughes
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing  list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing  list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing  list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 11 18:44:50 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:44:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>
References: <8fa04e47ff9aaea9d57d351216977f61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<79E8AD4BCBD445B0B0F15DCED4D578E9@Eagle>
	<6F93A519-B80F-4C54-989D-CEA78424788D@me.com>
	<C9493BAC4B7245DB8674B371D8E52713@Eagle>
Message-ID: <77E80A68-BD05-4A17-9D01-73544E67A74E@me.com>

It's August 5th-8th this year. See: http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
	Dave

On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

>
> 	I looked at the schedule of shows on the web. They have a web site
> but I could not find it directly.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> Bowling Green, Ohio
>
> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have  
> removed
> their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that  
> these
> liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated  
> but with
> His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God  
> is just;
> that His justice cannot sleep forever.
> Thomas jefferson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>
> Hi Bob, Do you know this FOR SURE, or just from looking at a 2010  
> calendar?
> 	Dave
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Bob Willman wrote:
>
>>
>> 	Looks like August 5-7, 2010.
>>
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> The Eagle's Anvil
>> WB8NQW
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>>
>> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have
>> removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the  
>> people
>> that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be
>> violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I
>> reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
>> Thomas jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie
>> Fero
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:26 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>>
>> Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay Ohio
>> show?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 12 10:20:38 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:20:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 12/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>
><snip> Swapping meat is not something that
>should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>
>Rick

Why not Rick?
         I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Feb 12 11:18:15 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:18:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>

Stop by and borrow my broiler
http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg

Frank


>Why not Rick?
>          I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 12 12:06:01 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:06:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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	<20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Frank,

That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's belted to the light
plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air to blow on your
broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> Stop by and borrow my broiler
> http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
>
> Frank
>
>>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 12 12:10:45 2010
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:10:45 -0000
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <88F6916E6302429FA825430DBF6EAB15@zen>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS


> At 07:00 PM 12/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Message: 11
>>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:19 -0500
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
>>
>><snip> Swapping meat is not something that
>>should be discussed on a family type forum!  :-)
>>Rick
> 
> Why not Rick?
>         I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans

I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
(This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Feb 12 12:48:44 2010
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRING not "S"
In-Reply-To: <5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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	<20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100212154448.0db163a0@ncweb.com>

An engine guy near me has one of those little compressors, out of a 
dentist's office.
Gorgeous little piece of machinery.

Maybe you could also get an antique dentist's drill to demo on visitors?

Dave Merchant


At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's belted to 
>the light
>plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air to 
>blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 12 12:51:00 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <88F6916E6302429FA825430DBF6EAB15@zen>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<88F6916E6302429FA825430DBF6EAB15@zen>
Message-ID: <c8b7a80aa80c8ea96d4a7f415d6416f5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))

On Fri, February 12, 2010 3:10 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
>
> I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
> (This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978





From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Fri Feb 12 18:03:51 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:03:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <7A0983E2250C40BCA87929EB9F4D229F@lightning>

Can anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden toolbox that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables? Thanks in advance. John
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Feb 12 18:30:09 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:30:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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	<5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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It is a old dental office air compressor.  Open crank, flat leather 
belt,  (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.  It is fun to 
watch.  It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator 
something to do.  When it calls for more air, the motor switches on 
and the generator engine starts.

I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running 
this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator 
using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a 
miniature open frame antique alternator,
http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor 
that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will 
run the alternator that will light the light bulb.  It sounds odd, 
but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.

Frank



At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.  Is that a small compressor that's 
>belted to the light
>plant?  How does that come into play?  Do you use the compressed air 
>to blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>  I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.                   |  Fax     585 624 1038
    2365 Cox Rd.              |     N 42.9130  W 
77.5164|
    Bloomfield NY 14469   |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/

   



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 23:48:28 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:48:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W47EF163507F8B6201A83FFB44E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <621591.51566.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>




Ed-san,

Bill,? Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not really.? Do not yet have operable digital camera.
?Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?? Like 4 inch pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid

Yes, that is exactly what I did.? 
??? Those EK's are fascinating instruments.? I had one EK, the armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.? There was just a whisper of magnetism.? No spark?? No, not so.? A good spark.? Why?? Don't know.?? Does anyone?

 
 




      

From walking_tractor at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 03:36:06 2010
From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (David Myers)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:36:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <20100213023612.0116859584@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <271258.14793.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Frank,
In a past life did you have the nickname of 'Rube' (as in Goldberg)?
I love the idea, the more things go whir, click, and bang, the better I like them.
David

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Frank DeWitt LBP <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:


From: Frank DeWitt LBP <Frank at lbpinc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:30 PM


It is a old dental office air compressor.? Open crank, flat leather 
belt,? (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.? It is fun to 
watch.? It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator 
something to do.? When it calls for more air, the motor switches on 
and the generator engine starts.

I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running 
this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator 
using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a 
miniature open frame antique alternator,
http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor 
that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will 
run the alternator that will light the light bulb.? It sounds odd, 
but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.

Frank



At 03:06 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>That's a nifty looking rig.? Is that a small compressor that's 
>belted to the light
>plant?? How does that come into play?? Do you use the compressed air 
>to blow on your
>broiled sausage to cool it before taking a bite?? 8-))
>
>See ya,? Arnie
>
>On Fri, February 12, 2010 2:18 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> > Stop by and borrow my broiler
> > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waffl/robot_broiler_02.jpg
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >>? I've often read about guys cooking their sausage in the hopper :-)
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 13 03:39:17 2010
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:39:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <830745129.4618991266061064429.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Ahhhh Yes there will be Black Pudding in Baraboo this year as none other then world famous Mr. Croft will be there in person to teach us Yanks how to cook it in true Brit tradition!
Curt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:51:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS

And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))

On Fri, February 12, 2010 3:10 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
>
> I have done the same with Black Puddings on a few occasions!
> (This time it was to feed Arnie)   See
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5385027560730398978



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 05:37:54 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:37:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <2620.7491f82.38a80532@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:

Can  anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden 
toolbox  that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables?


It may be the same as the 6 Famous.  If so, I can help.  Let me  know.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 06:17:37 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:17:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <31d8.1aaf3646.38a80e81@aol.com>

If I am right those boxes were all metal.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 8:39:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:


In a  message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,   
mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:

Can  anyone post a photo or  better still supply dimensions of the wooden 
toolbox  that was on the  4 H.P. Mogul portables?


It may be the same as the 6 Famous.   If so, I can help.  Let me  know.  

Tom   Schmutz
Concord,   Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 07:22:25 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:22:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Large Engines For Sale
Message-ID: <492e.244a11e6.38a81db1@aol.com>

Click the link below and these are for sale.
Thanks 
KK
 
_http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/33508/cat/all_ 
(http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/33508/cat/all) 
 
 


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 12:57:31 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:57:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <c242.6eb10ac8.38a86c3b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 9:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com writes:

If I am  right those boxes were all metal.





The ones on my Famous are wood  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 13 13:54:43 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:54:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ****SPAM**** Re:  COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <20100213023612.0116859584@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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	<20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
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	<20100213023612.0116859584@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <cad3423d08d0baf43294d8408952846e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

NEAT!!  Frank, how long has it been since you were last at Coolspring or Portland?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, February 12, 2010 9:30 pm, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote:
> It is a old dental office air compressor.  Open crank, flat leather
> belt,  (I had a new one made by the shoe repair shop.  It is fun to
> watch.  It is driven by a electric motor so it gives the generator
> something to do.  When it calls for more air, the motor switches on
> and the generator engine starts.
>
> I am working on a 1/4 hp steam engine kit. (I should have it running
> this summer.) Once that is complete I need to build up a alternator
> using the parts from a old Honda motorcycle (They look like a
> miniature open frame antique alternator,
> http://216.197.127.227/Gallery/05pictures/williamson2.jpg
> Then the Kohler engine will run the generator that will run the motor
> that will compress the air that will run the steam engine that will
> run the alternator that will light the light bulb.  It sounds odd,
> but think of the carbon foot print that incandescent light bulb will have.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Feb 13 14:14:13 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1795176228.4619071266061157119.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <57b9ef86d5a74e76318667666fee7f2a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Well, YEE DAMN HAW!!!  What EXCELLENT news.  Maybe advise the good Mr. Croft to NOT
try to hand-carry that black pudding past US Customs and past the
contraband-sniffing dogs.  I saw those dogs in Atlanta nail three different old
ladies with fruit in their purses.  Black pudding they'd pick up at 100 yards.  8-))

Will Dave be continuing on to Portland after Baraboo?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, February 13, 2010 6:39 am, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Ahhhh Yes there will be Black Pudding in Baraboo this year as none other then world
> famous Mr. Croft will be there in person to teach us Yanks how to cook it in true
> Brit tradition!
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> And DAMN good stuff it was too!!  Now that Curt Andree owns that Uller, we expect
> him to continue the black pudding tradition at Baraboo!!  8-))




From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Feb 13 16:08:10 2010
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:08:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
References: <2620.7491f82.38a80532@aol.com>
Message-ID: <513085121510464294E86E9B24375FA8@lightning>

I am starting to think that the toolbox is made of steel not wood. I will 
chase up dimensions of an original steel one here in Australia. Thanks. John 
Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul


>
> In a message dated 2/12/2010 9:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mathjr at optusnet.com.au writes:
>
> Can  anyone post a photo or better still supply dimensions of the wooden
> toolbox  that was on the 4 H.P. Mogul portables?
>
>
> It may be the same as the 6 Famous.  If so, I can help.  Let me  know.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 16:20:09 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:20:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] 4 H.P Mogul
Message-ID: <106e9.4c339e6f.38a89bb9@aol.com>

The Famous is a wooden box. The Mogul are steel I think
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2010 4:00:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:


In a  message dated 2/13/2010 9:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,   
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com writes:

If I am  right those boxes were  all metal.





The ones on my Famous are wood   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,   Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Feb 13 16:42:55 2010
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:42:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ****SPAM**** Re:  COOLSPRINGS
In-Reply-To: <cad3423d08d0baf43294d8408952846e.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <mailman.1.1265994002.17953.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20100212201831.02ee9680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20100212191836.825DF57CE8@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<5e74844dd060cade82d4ceed662f327b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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Coolsprings,  About 2 years, but I didn't bring the trailer.  I plan 
on attending this year.
Never been to Portland.
Frank

At 04:54 PM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
>NEAT!!  Frank, how long has it been since you were last at 
>Coolspring or Portland?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Feb 14 06:17:09 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:17:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The cars we drove (Not quite O.T. - they had engines:-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100214161513.02bfe760@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Here is a link to a great presentation on the cars and lifestyle 
of the 50's and 60's. Turn the sound up on your computer but be warned that 
it may be a bit slow with dial-up connections.

http://oldfortyfives.com/CarsWeDrove.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 14 07:27:54 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:27:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show in August
In-Reply-To: <20100212211905.7CFF59298@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20100211225940.4D7BE942A@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<9D274C33623F408EBA8B3802C1FF4CC8@tractor>
	<20100212211905.7CFF59298@smtp.wcoil.com>
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Actually, Mark, the feature tractor is the garden tractor. It just isn't 
brand specific so any garden tractor will be a feature tractor. Now, 
before I hear cries of having a lawn mower show, let me tell you there 
will be a lot more than that. A lot of the early "garden" stuff was 
meant to replace a one horse farm. A 1918 testimonial book from the 
Beeman Garden Tractor Co contains a testimonial from a user that states 
he is gardening approximately 92 acres and that the tractor would be 
useful for anyone gardening more than 5 acres. Not quite the garden 
tractor terms we think of today. I am working on exhibitors to get the 
early and odd pieces at the show. When we were there in 2002 we had over 
700 pieces of motorized lawn and garden equipment on the grounds. Since 
then we have had an expo with 800 pieces displayed. Although 800 is the 
number to beat, 1000 is the goal I've set. Last time the number to beat 
was 425 and I set the goal at 500. Anybody that would bring exhibits to 
help the count will be appreciated. I am also copying this to the 
tractor list in hopes of getting more help! Doug T

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> There actually is not feature tractor this year, Findlay is hosting 
> the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America, this show will serve 
> as their 2010 National Exposition.
> Mark
>
>
> At 03:51 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>> Mark: What is the featured tractor?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org]On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:00 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: Re: Findlay Ohio Show in August
>>
>>
>> Arnie
>>
>> August 5-6-7 & 8
>>
>> This year we are hosting the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of
>> America and Featuring Briggs N Stratton Engines.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> At 04:26 PM 2/11/2010, you wrote:
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >
>> >I can't wait for the Show Directory to be published.
>> >
>> >Would someone please give me the dates in August for the Findlay 
>> Ohio show?
>> >
>> >Thanks!!
>> >
>> >See ya,  Arnie
>> >
>> >Arnie Fero
>> >Pittsburgh, PA
>> >fero_ah at city-net.com
>> >
>> >
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb 14 08:51:44 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:51:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <621591.51566.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What 
can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark


At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:



>Ed-san,
>
>Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not 
>really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
>  Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch 
> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
>
>Yes, that is exactly what I did.
>     Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the 
> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There 
> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good 
> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
>
>
>
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 14 15:23:18 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:23:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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Mark, Remind me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:  
testing magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
	Dave
PS, An Fe one works lots better than an Al one!

On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What
> can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark
>
>
> At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Ed-san,
>>
>> Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not
>> really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
>> Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch
>> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
>>
>> Yes, that is exactly what I did.
>>    Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the
>> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There
>> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good
>> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 17:23:57 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:23:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
Message-ID: <25538.4d8398a1.38a9fc2d@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/14/2010 6:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

Remind  me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:  
testing  magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
 
Dave,

Any  way to explain the screw driver test on this list?
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Feb 15 09:27:21 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:27:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
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I'll be glad to see what Ted Did. I assume he had some weight that he 
had settled on as good enough?  But  still even if the magnets are 
weak they usually should not produce a spark that will run an engine 
properly.  Mark



At 06:23 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
>Mark, Remind me to show you the trick that Ted Brookover showed me re:
>testing magnets. All it takes is a screw driver!
>         Dave
>PS, An Fe one works lots better than an Al one!
>
>On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:
>
> > Was it a good looking spark in open air? Did it run an engine? What
> > can look good in open air can be a weak spark under compression.  Mark
> >
> >
> > At 02:48 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ed-san,
> >>
> >> Bill,  Any chance of posting a picture of the setup?  No, not
> >> really.  Do not yet have operable digital camera.
> >> Did you determine a good/bad criteria for the mags?  Like 4 inch
> >> pounds is too weak and 6 is good etc. Ed Herreid
> >>
> >> Yes, that is exactly what I did.
> >>    Those EK's are fascinating instruments.  I had one EK, the
> >> armature of which almost fell off the poles when inverted.  There
> >> was just a whisper of magnetism.  No spark?  No, not so.  A good
> >> spark.  Why?  Don't know.   Does anyone?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > 454 Co. Rd. 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
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USA

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Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 16 00:29:37 2010
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <20100214165139.01C0E8EA1@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <644734.75564.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill here ( in Thailand ) responding to Mark. No, it was not an intense blue spark.? It was an ole yeller, but did jump a significant gap.? Yes, I am aware of spark behavior under pressure and to make visual observations, I built a "hyperbaric chamber" replete with glass window, mirror inside and pressure guage outside.? 
No, I never put that EK on an engine, but I never forgot about it, either.
? Those EK's are fascinating magnetos, especially when they don't work -- when they should...?




      

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Feb 16 09:48:38 2010
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:48:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
Message-ID: <20100216.094939.16307.74478@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
Could someone help me find a picture showing the fill and return lines
entering the tank on a Fairbanks T. 2 hp if it makes any difference. 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 16 17:37:21 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:37:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
In-Reply-To: <20100216.094939.16307.74478@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCELOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I could take a couple of Kodaks of my 2 HP Jack where the pipes go into the base but you're not THAT good a buddy for me to pull a flywheel in order to remove the tank!

Lemmeknowwhatchawantmetodo.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of rdhaskell
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T gas tank
> 
> 
> Hi all.
> Could someone help me find a picture showing the 
> fill and return lines
> entering the tank on a Fairbanks T. 2 hp if it 
> makes any difference. 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Feb 18 06:21:40 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100218161849.00c69480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Can anyone please give me current contact info for Malcolm MacKay. 
(Dave, you're not an Aussie!) I've lost the details I had.

         Does he have e-mail yet?

Many thanks.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 07:59:27 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:59:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 18 08:47:44 2010
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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hi George, Glenns book says 'bare weight' is 221#? skip

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From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:59 AM


Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 08:58:10 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:58:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Skip Landis
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy

hi George, Glenns book says 'bare weight' is 221#? skip

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:


From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 8:59 AM


Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.

Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.

george


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Feb 18 12:35:20 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:35:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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	<708736.91159.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36CAE9E4@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Hi George, "Not a guess?" Are you suggesting that anyone on THIS LIST  
would post about something of which they are not SURE?
	Dave

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.
>
> Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.
>
> george


From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Feb 18 13:01:34 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:01:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy
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It's not so bad now, but years ago we had a lot of people who felt compelled to reply to everything.  Often they were just guessing or responding that they didn't know.

I'd already guessed the engine was about 200 lbs, wanted facts rather a bunch of people agreeing on guessed weights.

Sort of like our government.  Runs on opinions rather than facts ;-)  (oops!  Wrong forum to post that!)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Weight of 1-1/2hp Economy

Hi George, "Not a guess?" Are you suggesting that anyone on THIS LIST  
would post about something of which they are not SURE?
	Dave

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does anyone know the shipping weight of a 1-1/2hp Economy engine.
>
> Not a guess, but the weight published by Sears or Hercules.
>
> george
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 19 00:36:41 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:36:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Tips 'n Tricks
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100219090420.00d08448@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi everyone,
         I need help again :-)

         On our club website <www.vaaloldwheels.org.za> I have a section 
called "Tips 'n Tricks". This is for any good ideas/ shortcuts/workarounds 
and the like.

         This is supposed to be supported by club members but they seem to 
be a pretty useless lot when it comes to contributing to the web pages and 
the only "Tip" up there so far is my "Gib Key Puller" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/index.htm>

         Now, seeing as that these lists are made up of the greatest engine 
people in the world (unashamed flattery/bribery but true) I'm appealing to 
you to members to help me fill the page.

         A new thread with the above subject line should do it and make 
some interesting reading for other members as well.

         I'm looking for ideas as simple a using a hose clip as a ring 
compressor (I'll put this one up -it came from a SEL discussion last year 
and a few guys mentioned it but Arnie was the first so he'll get the credit 
:-)).

         Also articles published on your pages like Robs Wico Testing bench 
<http://www.rustyiron.com/engines/WICO/index.html> (Rob, can i have your 
permission?)- or Reg's excellent "gear cutting" method 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/models/gearcutting/> (Reg, 
permission please?)In cases like this I will not repeat the article - just 
a link to your page.

         Full credit and links where applicable will be given on the page.

Thanks all of you, I hope to see this grow into a "BIG" thread.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Fri Feb 19 02:14:39 2010
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <4b7e648f.39a.134c.232541930@netspeed.com.au>

G,day Jerry 
here is malcom mackays 19 kennedy cl moss vale nsw 2577  ph
02 48692260
janne_malc at hotmail.com
regards Brock
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From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org,
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:40 +0200

> Hi Guys,
>          Can anyone please give me current contact info
> for Malcolm MacKay.  (Dave, you're not an Aussie!) I've
> lost the details I had.
> 
>          Does he have e-mail yet?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Feb 19 10:14:41 2010
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1266598802.28460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100219200832.033c8bb8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 19/02/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:14:39 +1000
>From: "brock at netspeed.com.au" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] One for the Aussies
><snip>
>
>G,day Jerry
>here is malcom mackays 19 kennedy cl moss vale nsw 2577  ph
>02 48692260
>janne_malc at hotmail.com
>regards Brock
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jerry Evans

<snip>.

Thanks Brock,
         This was for David Edgington and thanks to you and Peter Lowe he 
did manage to contact Malcolm today.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 14:23:27 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:23:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>

I am a little late here, just back from a trip.

The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier 
link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC board. 
I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used 
too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition 
trigger magnets on an Onan engine.

The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those charging 
the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if the 
magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring 
the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would 
not have to disturb the magnets that were good.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


TO: Jacob
From: Bill Young
RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net




Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measurements for different types 
of
magnetos? Jacob

Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments and wish to add a couple of 
my own.
(1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I imagined that I had a real 
need for one because I was doing many EKs for the local lads, I could not 
find a distributor in Japan.
(2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
(A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
(B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged lever arm. But before 
mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered them from 1 to 30 beginning 
at the hinge.
(C) Then I made an "S" hook which
would connect the lever arm to armature.
(3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight which could be moved away 
from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my "quantifier" gave me an idea 
of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds rather than Gauss.
(4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a company in Tokyo that sold 
Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my purchase; I gaussed 
everything. It was then that I became disillusioned. Put the probe on any 
spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move the probe a quarter inch in 
any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
(5) My current thinking is that my $2 "quantifier" was a more useful tool 
than the expensive meter. I was getting an average reading of magnetic 
strength rather than point to point readings.
Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a useful instrument?
My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on the block with one. Also in 
village and city, maybe even in the county. Comments please. Bill

( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
wmlyoung at yahoo.com )






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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Feb 19 14:59:06 2010
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:59:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I bought one of the testers years ago when Ed offered them.  I admit I'd forgotten I even had it until Ed/Elden mentioned them in an earlier posting this year.  Mine is sitting out in the shop someplace, I think I saw it a few months ago.  When I first got it I used it a few times, but was mostly a novelty item rather than anything I used.

When I had a magneto charger handy, it was quick and simple to recharge a magneto if it was questionable.  Never did record the readings I got.

Might have to find it again and test some of my magnetos and see what sort of numbers I get.  Of course if the numbers vary a lot for each point tested it may not be of much value.  Might have to pick the same spot on each magnet and just use the numbers for that location.

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to post results as it might be awhile.

George

Ps. Will be quicker than Arnie ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth

I am a little late here, just back from a trip.

The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier 
link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC board. 
I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used 
too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition 
trigger magnets on an Onan engine.

The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those charging 
the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if the 
magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring 
the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would 
not have to disturb the magnets that were good.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Feb 19 16:14:37 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:14:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my supplier, Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post on my site.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
> 
> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look 
> like those in the earlier 
> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , 
> but made with a PC board. 
> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as 
> I found the ones we used 
> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was 
> for mapping the ignition 
> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
> 
> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets 
> was a bust as those charging 
> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, 
> pull them off and know if the 
> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look 
> at the idea of measuring 
> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed 
> in a magneto so we would 
> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> TO: Jacob
> From: Bill Young
> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss 
> measurements for different types 
> of
> magnetos? Jacob
> 
> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments 
> and wish to add a couple of 
> my own.
> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I 
> imagined that I had a real 
> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the 
> local lads, I could not 
> find a distributor in Japan.
> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged 
> lever arm. But before 
> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered 
> them from 1 to 30 beginning 
> at the hinge.
> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
> would connect the lever arm to armature.
> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight 
> which could be moved away 
> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my 
> "quantifier" gave me an idea 
> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds 
> rather than Gauss.
> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a 
> company in Tokyo that sold 
> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my 
> purchase; I gaussed 
> everything. It was then that I became 
> disillusioned. Put the probe on any 
> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move 
> the probe a quarter inch in 
> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
> (5) My current thinking is that my $2 
> "quantifier" was a more useful tool 
> than the expensive meter. I was getting an 
> average reading of magnetic 
> strength rather than point to point readings.
> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a 
> useful instrument?
> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on 
> the block with one. Also in 
> village and city, maybe even in the county. 
> Comments please. Bill
> 
> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 17:50:56 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:50:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>

George,
It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of 
magnets. The sensor is much smaller than the chunks so one gets a variety of 
numbers as you rome around the surface. To try to make some sense of it and 
have repeatability, I find the strongest spot and use that for the 
measurement.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


>I bought one of the testers years ago when Ed offered them.  I admit I'd 
>forgotten I even had it until Ed/Elden mentioned them in an earlier posting 
>this year.  Mine is sitting out in the shop someplace, I think I saw it a 
>few months ago.  When I first got it I used it a few times, but was mostly 
>a novelty item rather than anything I used.
>
> When I had a magneto charger handy, it was quick and simple to recharge a 
> magneto if it was questionable.  Never did record the readings I got.
>
> Might have to find it again and test some of my magnetos and see what sort 
> of numbers I get.  Of course if the numbers vary a lot for each point 
> tested it may not be of much value.  Might have to pick the same spot on 
> each magnet and just use the numbers for that location.
>
> Don't hold your breath waiting for me to post results as it might be 
> awhile.
>
> George
>
> Ps. Will be quicker than Arnie ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>
> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look like those in the earlier
> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm , but made with a PC 
> board.
> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as I found the ones we used
> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was for mapping the ignition
> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>
> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets was a bust as those 
> charging
> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam, pull them off and know if 
> the
> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look at the idea of measuring
> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed in a magneto so we would
> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 18:02:18 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:02:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>

I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  Allegro Micro Systems and 
distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered it. It has been a while; 
the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too early to know if I am going 
to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.

I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source as I have to check to see 
if the battery is going dead. I would like to use a 12 Volt battery and 
Zener diode to substitute for it.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my supplier, 
> Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post on my 
> site.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>>
>> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look
>> like those in the earlier
>> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm ,
>> but made with a PC board.
>> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as
>> I found the ones we used
>> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was
>> for mapping the ignition
>> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>>
>> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets
>> was a bust as those charging
>> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam,
>> pull them off and know if the
>> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look
>> at the idea of measuring
>> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed
>> in a magneto so we would
>> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> TO: Jacob
>> From: Bill Young
>> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
>> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
>> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss
>> measurements for different types
>> of
>> magnetos? Jacob
>>
>> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments
>> and wish to add a couple of
>> my own.
>> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I
>> imagined that I had a real
>> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the
>> local lads, I could not
>> find a distributor in Japan.
>> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
>> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged
>> lever arm. But before
>> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered
>> them from 1 to 30 beginning
>> at the hinge.
>> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
>> would connect the lever arm to armature.
>> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight
>> which could be moved away
>> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my
>> "quantifier" gave me an idea
>> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds
>> rather than Gauss.
>> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a
>> company in Tokyo that sold
>> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my
>> purchase; I gaussed
>> everything. It was then that I became
>> disillusioned. Put the probe on any
>> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move
>> the probe a quarter inch in
>> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
>> (5) My current thinking is that my $2
>> "quantifier" was a more useful tool
>> than the expensive meter. I was getting an
>> average reading of magnetic
>> strength rather than point to point readings.
>> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a
>> useful instrument?
>> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on
>> the block with one. Also in
>> village and city, maybe even in the county.
>> Comments please. Bill
>>
>> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Feb 19 18:43:41 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:43:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENCIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <9009075E-11D2-4DD7-AB61-EE5840BBF6E9@me.com>

I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of testing a magnet using  
ONLY a screwdriver!
	Dave

On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  Allegro Micro  
> Systems and
> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered it. It has been a  
> while;
> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too early to know if I am  
> going
> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>
> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source as I have to check  
> to see
> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use a 12 Volt battery  
> and
> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
>> Ed:
>>
>> Do you have a source for calibrated Hall sensors?  I think my  
>> supplier,
>> Sprague, is out of the business.  I'd like to have a source to post  
>> on my
>> site.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 04:23 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a little late here, just back from a trip.
>>>
>>> The kits ( about 15 of them) I distributed look
>>> like those in the earlier
>>> link, http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magmeter.htm ,
>>> but made with a PC board.
>>> I do have a bag of some less sensitive sensors as
>>> I found the ones we used
>>> too sensitive. The most recent use of mine was
>>> for mapping the ignition
>>> trigger magnets on an Onan engine.
>>>
>>> The original idea of measuring magneto magnets
>>> was a bust as those charging
>>> the magnets would stick them to an iron beam,
>>> pull them off and know if the
>>> magnet was charged or not. I think we might look
>>> at the idea of measuring
>>> the magnetism of the magnets when still installed
>>> in a magneto so we would
>>> not have to disturb the magnets that were good.
>>>
>>> Ed Stoller
>>> New Fairfield, CT
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> TO: Jacob
>>> From: Bill Young
>>> RE; Gauss meter & "quantifier"
>>> Reply to: jacob warner jacob.warner at pdahome.com>
>>> Yours of December 3, 2009, 7:49 AM TO, SEL net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss
>>> measurements for different types
>>> of
>>> magnetos? Jacob
>>>
>>> Jacob-san, I quite agree with Elden's comments
>>> and wish to add a couple of
>>> my own.
>>> (1) I wanted a gauss meter in the worst way. I
>>> imagined that I had a real
>>> need for one because I was doing many EKs for the
>>> local lads, I could not
>>> find a distributor in Japan.
>>> (2) So I built my own gauss "quantifier."
>>> (A) On the wall, I fashioned an EK holder.
>>> (B) Just below the EK armature I mounted a hinged
>>> lever arm. But before
>>> mounting, I made notches every inch and numbered
>>> them from 1 to 30 beginning
>>> at the hinge.
>>> (C) Then I made an "S" hook which
>>> would connect the lever arm to armature.
>>> (3) The last step was to fashion a one lb. weight
>>> which could be moved away
>>> from the hinge in one inch increments. Thus my
>>> "quantifier" gave me an idea
>>> of comparative magnetism in terms of inch pounds
>>> rather than Gauss.
>>> (4) Years later a Japanese engine lad found a
>>> company in Tokyo that sold
>>> Gauss meters -- not cheap. I was so happy with my
>>> purchase; I gaussed
>>> everything. It was then that I became
>>> disillusioned. Put the probe on any
>>> spot of any magnet; note the reading. Now, move
>>> the probe a quarter inch in
>>> any direction. Guess what? Different reading.
>>> (5) My current thinking is that my $2
>>> "quantifier" was a more useful tool
>>> than the expensive meter. I was getting an
>>> average reading of magnetic
>>> strength rather than point to point readings.
>>> Elden-san, Did you ever find your Gauss meter a
>>> useful instrument?
>>> My greatest satisfaction? I was the only guy on
>>> the block with one. Also in
>>> village and city, maybe even in the county.
>>> Comments please. Bill
>>>
>>> ( I am in Thailand now using yahoo address:
>>> wmlyoung at yahoo.com )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb 19 20:41:18 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:41:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>

On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
> magnets.


magnet/2 = 2(magnet)










From rotigel at me.com  Fri Feb 19 20:58:02 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:58:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup>
	<D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>

It's also the nature of jello that it's made up of little chunks of  
jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
	Dave
PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work on jello.

On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
>> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
>> magnets.
>
>
> magnet/2 = 2(magnet)


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Feb 19 21:36:01 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:36:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <530764.30196.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><00F42620D2634DE59E6CD1FF1B26FE58@edbackup><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F36DC3487@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><C12C3E7FF6494CE8A7F5020960E6AC8D@edbackup><D65DF4E8-D064-4E41-B96C-38DFA2A15672@rustyiron.com>
	<BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>
Message-ID: <09954B635CAE4D53B9C4CE053F0C609B@regpc>

Aw, Dave, ya dun it again.
I need a fund set up for new keyboards!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> It's also the nature of jello that it's made up of little chunks of  
> jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
> Dave
> PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
> PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work on jello.
> 
> On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
>>> It is the nature of magnets that they are made up of little chunks of
>>> magnets.
>>
>>
>> magnet/2 = 2(magnet)
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:50:19 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:50:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <00E6E941D4C049768AE762F40712FD4D@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit to test the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half scale means the battery is still good.

I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.

Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're still available.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by  
> Allegro Micro Systems and 
> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered 
> it. It has been a while; 
> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too 
> early to know if I am going 
> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
> 
> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source 
> as I have to check to see 
> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use 
> a 12 Volt battery and 
> Zener diode to substitute for it.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:52:39 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:52:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <9009075E-11D2-4DD7-AB61-EE5840BBF6E9@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver is about as good as a Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong enough to work in a magneto.

We techno-Geeks need to have something to occupy our minds, don't we?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of 
> testing a magnet using  
> ONLY a screwdriver!
> 	Dave




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 07:53:46 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:53:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <BB8C4265-18E0-4A52-819C-0EA93211A2B3@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dang fancy-pants mathematicians!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:58 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> It's also the nature of jello that it's made up 
> of little chunks of  
> jello!. jello/2=2(jello)
> 	Dave
> PS, Ted's solution was/is so much easier!
> PPS, I don't think that Ted's solution would work 
> on jello.




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Feb 20 10:23:07 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:23:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9815123C-7E87-4B28-A707-E99CD9AA7C28@me.com>

Golly darn Elden! Did Ted show you that trick too? And all this time I  
thought it was a secret between Ted and me--and that now I was the  
ONLY living person to know the trick!
	Dave

On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Dave:
>
> I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver is about as good as a  
> Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong enough to work in a  
> magneto.
>
> We techno-Geeks need to have something to occupy our minds, don't we?
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of David
>> Rotigel
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:44 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I'm still in favor of Ted Brookover's method of
>> testing a magnet using
>> ONLY a screwdriver!
>> 	Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Feb 20 10:35:45 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:35:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>
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Message-ID: <3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>

I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like 
Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look like. 
Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
Thanks in advance,
Dave E 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 20 14:30:45 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:30:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <9815123C-7E87-4B28-A707-E99CD9AA7C28@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMENKIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Sorry, Dave.  There are two of us that know that magnet test method.  Be sure and not tell anyone else.  Job security, dontcha know.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Golly darn Elden! Did Ted show you that trick 
> too? And all this time I  
> thought it was a secret between Ted and me--and 
> that now I was the  
> ONLY living person to know the trick!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Dave:
> >
> > I think Ed and I can agree that a screwdriver 
> is about as good as a  
> > Hall sensor for telling if the magnet is strong 
> enough to work in a  
> > magneto.
> >
> > We techno-Geeks need to have something to 
> occupy our minds, don't we?
> >
> > Take care - Elden




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 20 18:24:20 2010
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:24:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENHIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>

Eldon,

I should have given you the link;   http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .

I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the 
tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am 
likely to set Dave off again.)

I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few 
> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable 
> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit to test 
> the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half scale 
> means the battery is still good.
>
> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they 
> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>
> Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're 
> still available.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>> it. It has been a while;
>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>> early to know if I am going
>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>
>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>> as I have to check to see
>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>> a 12 Volt battery and
>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 21 05:23:11 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:23:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>
Message-ID: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is okay, Ed.
I also mave a huge tractor battery.
I don't have a tractor though.
Alan in Michigan
?
PS Last I knew Dave had a tractor though.

--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:24 PM


Eldon,

I should have given you the link;???http://www.allegromicro.com/en/? .

I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the 
tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am 
likely to set Dave off again.)

I have several UGN 3503UA's? if you need one.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth


> Ed:
>
> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.? The version I built a few 
> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a stable 
> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.? I also made a simple circuit to test 
> the battery using the meter on the tester.? Any reading over half scale 
> means the battery is still good.
>
> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because they 
> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>
> Thanks for the part number.? When I get a chance, I'll see if they're 
> still available.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>? Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>> it. It has been a while;
>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>> early to know if I am going
>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>
>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>> as I have to check to see
>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>> a 12 Volt battery and
>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Feb 21 05:23:56 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:23:56 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
Message-ID: <23f5.60180ef8.38b28dec@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/20/2010 1:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
shop at cccomm.net writes:

I've  come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag


Dave,
 
I have a 6 Economy 1916, but not a Sparta if this will help.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 21 06:49:30 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:49:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <09E6175A557E4824B28536853F74A1C9@edbackup>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ed:

Thanks for the offer but what I'm looking for is a part number that's readily available I can post on my web page.  I think I looked at the Allegro site earlier but I'll look again.

Now, speaking of Dave, don't try to pry Ted Brookover's magnet testing procedure out of either him or me 'cause we're sworn to secrecy.  If either of us tells you, we are honor bound to kill you.     :-)

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ed Stoller
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 08:24 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> I should have given you the link;   
> http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
> 
> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I 
> would use one of the 
> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I 
> used the T word and am 
> likely to set Dave off again.)
> 
> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth




From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 21 05:52:52 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:52:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>

Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta. 
Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that 
determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are 
earlier. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like 
> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look like. 
> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave E 
>
>
>   


From shop at cccomm.net  Sun Feb 21 10:39:02 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:39:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>

It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
one from that.
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta


Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
earlier. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
> like.
> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave E
>
>
>
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Feb 21 12:24:20 2010
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:24:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>	<4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>
	<77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>

I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't 
find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's 
herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you 
need it. Doug T

Dave Ernst wrote:
> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
> one from that.
> Dave E
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>
>
> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
> earlier. Doug T
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>   
>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
>> like.
>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave E
>>
>>
>>
>>     
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 21 13:26:37 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:26:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <533687.21127.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B956B63-325D-4E99-AEA7-6DE565547411@me.com>

Yes, I not only have a tractor, but a MAYTAG and a screwdriver as well!
	Dave
PS, The tractor and the screwdriver work well
PPS, The MAYTAG works, well, like a MAYTAG!
PPPS, Have you heard the one about the bus driver and the screwdriver?

On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Alan wrote:

> That is okay, Ed.
> I also mave a huge tractor battery.
> I don't have a tractor though.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> PS Last I knew Dave had a tractor though.
>
> --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:24 PM
>
>
> Eldon,
>
> I should have given you the link;   http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
>
> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I would use one of the
> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I used the T word and am
> likely to set Dave off again.)
>
> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
>> Ed:
>>
>> Recently, I updated my Magnet Tester page.  The version I built a few
>> years ago uses a 78L05 three terminal voltage regulator to allow a  
>> stable
>> supply voltage to the Hall circuit.  I also made a simple circuit  
>> to test
>> the battery using the meter on the tester.  Any reading over half  
>> scale
>> means the battery is still good.
>>
>> I wouldn't suggest using a Zener diode as a shunt regulator because  
>> they
>> are current hogs and are very temperature sensitive.
>>
>> Thanks for the part number.  When I get a chance, I'll see if they're
>> still available.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>>   Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 08:02 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a calibrated sensor ( A3516LUA) made by
>>> Allegro Micro Systems and
>>> distributed by Newark, I think I special ordered
>>> it. It has been a while;
>>> the Calibration table is dated 1997. It is too
>>> early to know if I am going
>>> to Portland, Ind, but it would be easy to bring.
>>>
>>> I am not satisfied with the 9 Volt battery source
>>> as I have to check to see
>>> if the battery is going dead. I would like to use
>>> a 12 Volt battery and
>>> Zener diode to substitute for it.
>>>
>>> Ed Stoller
>>> New Fairfield, CT
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 21 13:30:12 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:30:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCENOIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <40CEB5D7-1789-4722-8F6F-DF17933A8E0C@me.com>

Hi Elden, Part number 694016869 is readily available.
	Dave
PS, Like the bus driver I would like one!

On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Ed:
>
> Thanks for the offer but what I'm looking for is a part number  
> that's readily available I can post on my web page.  I think I  
> looked at the Allegro site earlier but I'll look again.
>
> Now, speaking of Dave, don't try to pry Ted Brookover's magnet  
> testing procedure out of either him or me 'cause we're sworn to  
> secrecy.  If either of us tells you, we are honor bound to kill  
> you.     :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Ed Stoller
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 08:24 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>>
>>
>> Eldon,
>>
>> I should have given you the link;
>> http://www.allegromicro.com/en/  .
>>
>> I realize that the Zener is a pig on power, but I
>> would use one of the
>> tractor batteries I keep in the shop. ( Oops, I
>> used the T word and am
>> likely to set Dave off again.)
>>
>> I have several UGN 3503UA's  if you need one.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 21 16:51:51 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
In-Reply-To: <40CEB5D7-1789-4722-8F6F-DF17933A8E0C@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEODIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hmmmm.  Could you give me a clue as to the manufacturer of part number 694016869 and the current price in the 1-9 break?

Whutz all thishere stuff about a dang bus driver anyhoo??!!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 03:30 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My 2 cents worth
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, Part number 694016869 is readily available.
> 	Dave
> PS, Like the bus driver I would like one!




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Feb 21 21:05:00 2010
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
In-Reply-To: <4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>
References: <20080226103754.UFTD0.129165.root@fepweb09><002401c87925$fda8d430$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><01fd01c87931$c77c2720$625c65da@nomadlbb0xuixe><BAY113-DAV20C6E07597DD2D66DE0A5ABB1A0@phx.gbl><000701c879db$b108c5c0$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3><BAY113-DAV8AF7B2FBB823C5E5A816ABB1B0@phx.gbl><001601c87a40$612a31f0$0202a8c0@Ed>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590618BB61@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><3944B2D99E14440A8A2A56EC50A85F54@YOURA8CFD79427>	<4B813AB4.90905@accnorwalk.com>
	<77483441B3014513995737233815C592@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<4B819674.4050905@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <F451C086-D5B2-4893-A952-F510ECB18012@herculesengines.com>

Doug
Glenn did not have a web site.  
Hit and Miss Enterprises list a Sparta name tag in their catalog.  Not sure if it is the one Dave needs or not but worth a look.  Dave you might want to compare it to the one you found on my web site and see if it is a match.  I wouldn't be surprised if Starbolt didn't carry them too.
Keith


On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't 
> find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's 
> herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you 
> need it. Doug T
> 
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" apart, 
>> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am wrong 
>> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and a 
>> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the tag 
>> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can fabricate 
>> one from that.
>> Dave E
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>> 
>> 
>> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
>> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
>> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
>> earlier. Doug T
>> 
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> 
>>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look 
>>> like.
>>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Feb 21 23:01:58 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:01:58 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
Message-ID: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig your not the only one who gets them),
i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up with next, cheers,
Chester.








Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my shipping 
address is
Clive street
Albany
Western Australia  6330
please let me know total cost, cheers,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: 
http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm


> Hello
>
> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this 
> question
>
> Regards
>
> On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Smith
>>
>> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> your urgent response will be appreciated
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of your
>>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, hope 
>>> to
>>> hear from you, cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>>>> question
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine ,i
>>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me your
>>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic to
>>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks and
>>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if you
>>>>> need more parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i need,
i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available 
from the UK.
Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: 
http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm


> Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
> subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
> condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
> i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
> in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
> cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
> back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards 

>> 


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Feb 22 01:57:06 2010
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:57:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were 
looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the 
trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to 
move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a 
different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it 
but I do have the e-mail address

Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one 
part of our conversations!


May we have an address so we can have an inspection please


At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so 
>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>A few words about the process:
>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone 
>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a 
>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they 
>will secure the money.
>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will 
>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive 
>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the 
>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay 
>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>
>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western 
>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>
>Regards!
>
>
>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM

Seems awfully messy!

How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a 
full ownership transfer papers before paying money
Russell


At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
 > Hi,
 > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in 
hearing details about my caravan.
 > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan 
and the way we can complete a transaction.
 > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy 
about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea 
was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i 
really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration 
taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough 
time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go! 
Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping 
costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price ) 
.I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle 
also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will 
be delivered to your DOOR.
 > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for 
it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean title.
 > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment 
when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If 
still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do 
this without me being in AU!
 > Thanks
 >



At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig 
>your not the only one who gets them),
>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was 
>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him 
>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up 
>with next, cheers,
>Chester.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my shipping
>address is
>Clive street
>Albany
>Western Australia  6330
>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>Chester.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>Subject: Re:
>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
> > question
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Smith
> >>
> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of your
> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, hope
> >>> to
> >>> hear from you, cheers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re:
> >>> 
> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello
> >>>>
> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
> >>>> question
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine ,i
> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me your
> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic to
> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks and
> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if you
> >>>>> need more parts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regard
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i need,
>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>from the UK.
>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>Chester.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>Subject:
>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>
>
> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>
> >>
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>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Feb 22 04:02:36 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:02:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester>
	<20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <21B2B15CB4184AB9ABA571F3CA9206A9@loungeroom>

The bad English is the give away.
Peter, Oz




> Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were
> looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the
> trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to
> move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a
> different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it
> but I do have the e-mail address
>
> Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one
> part of our conversations!
>
>
> May we have an address so we can have an inspection please
>
>
> At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so
>>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>>A few words about the process:
>>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone
>>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a
>>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they
>>will secure the money.
>>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will
>>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive
>>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the
>>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay
>>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>>
>>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western
>>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>>
>>Regards!
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
> Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
> To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
> Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
> Seems awfully messy!
>
> How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a
> full ownership transfer papers before paying money
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
> > Hi,
> > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in
> hearing details about my caravan.
> > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan
> and the way we can complete a transaction.
> > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy
> about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea
> was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i
> really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration
> taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough
> time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go!
> Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping
> costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price )
> .I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle
> also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will
> be delivered to your DOOR.
> > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for
> it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean 
> title.
> > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment
> when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If
> still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do
> this without me being in AU!
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig
>>your not the only one who gets them),
>>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was
>>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him
>>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up
>>with next, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my 
>>shipping
>>address is
>>Clive street
>>Albany
>>Western Australia  6330
>>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>>Subject: Re:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>> > question
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Smith
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of 
>> >>> your
>> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?, 
>> >>> hope
>> >>> to
>> >>> hear from you, cheers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>>
>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to 
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> question
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine 
>> >>>>> ,i
>> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me 
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic 
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks 
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if 
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> need more parts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i 
>> >>>need,
>>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>>from the UK.
>>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>>Subject:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
>> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
>> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
>> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
>> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
>> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
>> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>>
>> >>
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>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 22 10:46:03 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:46:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Sparta
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	<F451C086-D5B2-4893-A952-F510ECB18012@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <0BF4ECEB8D7E4CA691924E4844AB0A54@YOURA8CFD79427>

Thanks for the info.
Keith, I still have that Weeden steam engine you sold to me a few years ago. 
Had it running last year.
Thanks again
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta


Doug
Glenn did not have a web site.
Hit and Miss Enterprises list a Sparta name tag in their catalog.  Not sure 
if it is the one Dave needs or not but worth a look.  Dave you might want to 
compare it to the one you found on my web site and see if it is a match.  I 
wouldn't be surprised if Starbolt didn't carry them too.
Keith


On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> I thought I had seen a picture of the tags online somewhere but couldn't
> find it. Did Glenn have a website of his own or was it on Keith Kinney's
> herculesengines.com? I can ge tthe measurements from my 2HP B tag if you
> need it. Doug T
>
> Dave Ernst wrote:
>> It mounts on the side, but on the left  the mounting holes are 3 1/4" 
>> apart,
>> on the right they are 3 5/8" which could have been a dealer tag. I am 
>> wrong
>> about the HP, according to Glenn Carchs website. It is a 4 1/2" bore and 
>> a
>> 9" stroke, making it a 4 horsepower model B. There is a drawing of the 
>> tag
>> on his website and I sent the URL to Jerry Evans. Hopefully he can 
>> fabricate
>> one from that.
>> Dave E
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Sparta
>>
>>
>> Dave, if I remember there are 2 different styles of tags for the Sparta.
>> Does your tag mount on the front of the hopper or the side? I think that
>> determines what style of tag you need. The ones mounted on the side are
>> earlier. Doug T
>>
>> Dave Ernst wrote:
>>
>>> I've come by a 6 hp Economy Sparta that is missing the tag. I would like
>>> Jerry to make me one but I haven't a clue as to size or what they look
>>> like.
>>> Any ideas of where to find a decent photo of one?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Feb 22 10:50:48 2010
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:50:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <011801cab38c$ed2c3090$210110ac@Chester><20100222095656.C02011988AF@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
	<21B2B15CB4184AB9ABA571F3CA9206A9@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <D08CA82F6CAF467191951EECBCB77DF3@YOURA8CFD79427>

I played one to the end  back in 2004. Received (framed on the shop wall) a 
cashiers check for $8,900 with that famed request to mail back the change. 
Took it to the bank for fun, told them it had to be fake. They called the 
bank it was supposedly issued from and they had a fit.
I'm sure this was from Nigeria.
Dave E
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


The bad English is the give away.
Peter, Oz




> Hi Chester, we had a similar experience a few weeks back. We were
> looking at caravans and found one too good to be true o\in the
> trading post website. The owner had just gone to England and had to
> move it quickly, In the space/time of 4 days we were given a
> different location (qld, WA, TAS and then WA again) I gave up with it
> but I do have the e-mail address
>
> Getting OT but if anyone feels like reading here is a copy of one
> part of our conversations!
>
>
> May we have an address so we can have an inspection please
>
>
> At 09:46 AM 26/01/2010, you wrote:
>>Before leaving AUSTRALIA I had prearranged the deal with eBay , so
>>my presence in AUSTRALIA isn't necessary.
>>A few words about the process:
>>- I need you to send me your full name , full address and phone
>>number so I can set up the deal with eBay Motors; you will make a
>>down payment of 20% of the caravan price to eBay Motors and they
>>will secure the money.
>>- In the same day when you will make the deposit the shipping will
>>be started and you will receive a tracking number- You will receive
>>the caravan and you will have 10 days to inspect it.
>>- If you will keep the caravan then you will send the rest of the
>>money if not then you will get your full amount back from eBay
>>Motors and the caravan will be ship back at my expences  .
>>
>>The caravan is one of the eBay drop-off stores from Western
>>Australia.For more details here is my number  0044 755 103 1741
>>
>>Regards!
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> From: Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>
> Subject: Re: caravan on trading post
> To: "Jacob Barnes" <jacobbarnes57 at yahoo.com.au>
> Received: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
> Seems awfully messy!
>
> How would this work? We would pick the van up and would need to see a
> full ownership transfer papers before paying money
> Russell
>
>
> At 11:15 PM 25/01/2010, you wrote:
> > Hi,
> > My name is Jacob Barnes and i am glad about your interest in
> hearing details about my caravan.
> > First of all i wanna tell you some details regarding the caravan
> and the way we can complete a transaction.
> > Last month my wife was promoted and both of us were very happy
> about it.The only problem is that we had to move to UK .My first idea
> was to register the caravan here in UK and to keep it because i
> really love it but after i have found out about the huge registration
> taxes from here and after i have realised that i will not have enough
> time to really enjoy it i have decided that this beauty has to go!
> Because i wanna deal as soon as possible i will cover the shipping
> costs and the insurance taxes ( they are included in the sale price )
> .I let the caravan at an eBay drop off store and they will handle
> also the shipping process.It is insured in case of damage and it will
> be delivered to your DOOR.
> > You will not have to pay additional taxes,just only the price for
> it because the caravan is already registered in AU and it has a clean
> title.
> > The shipping will be made using a caravan trailer and the moment
> when you'll recive the caravan depends of how far are you located. If
> still interested, please email me back so I can explain how we can do
> this without me being in AU!
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> At 06:01 PM 22/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi guys, just thought i would show you a scam artist at work, (Craig
>>your not the only one who gets them),
>>i have been playing along with him, its fun, the photos he sent was
>>a picture of a Austral that i reconized from Ebay, iv just sent him
>>a fake address for the shipping cost, we will see what he comes up
>>with next, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Tim, yes i recieved your email and yes we are still dealing, my
>>shipping
>>address is
>>Clive street
>>Albany
>>Western Australia  6330
>>please let me know total cost, cheers,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:30 PM
>>Subject: Re:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> > are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to this
>> > question
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On 2/19/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Smith
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your email, i will take 400 Pounds for the complete, let me
>> >> know if my price is ok for you and also email me your complete home
>> >> address to calculate the shipping cost to your doorstep, thanks and
>> >> your urgent response will be appreciated
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On 2/19/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Tim, sorry for the late responce, i have been away, the pic of
>> >>> your
>> >>> engine looks to good to be broken up for parts,
>> >>> are you interested in selling the complete unit? if so how much?,
>> >>> hope
>> >>> to
>> >>> hear from you, cheers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:04 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re:
>> >>>
>> http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How are you doing, did you receive my last email, let me know if we
>> >>>> are still having a deal,thanks and i need your urgent response to
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> question
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/5/10, Tim Kraft <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for your email,  i attached pics of my  Austral  8HP  engine
>> >>>>> ,i
>> >>>>> am stripping the complete engine as parts  since you are in need of
>> >>>>> the water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover ,asking price is 120
>> >>>>> pounds, let me know if my price is ok for you and also email me
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>> complete home address to calculate the shipping cost to your
>> >>>>> doorstep,as soon as i know your interest, i will call my Mechanic
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> get the  water and fuel pump and vapouriser cover  remove,thanks
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> your urgent response will be appreciated and also let me know if
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> need more parts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Tim, great to hear from you i am so happy you have the parts i
>> >>>need,
>>i have been looking for a long time, it is amazing that they are available
>>from the UK.
>>Please email me pics & prices, i cant wait, thank a lot,
>>Chester.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Kraft" <timkrafttimkraft at gmail.com>
>>To: <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:33 AM
>>Subject:
>>http://www.nhma.com.au/National%20Historical%20Machinery%20Association%20Inc.%20-%20Wanted.htm
>>
>>
>> > Hello, I am Tim Kraft  from UK, i found your wanted address on
>> > subject title, do you still need it, i have it for sale and in good
>> > condition,i will email you pics    and also my asking price as soon as
>> > i hear from you, don,t worry  about shipping,as i have many experience
>> > in overseas shipping,so shipping cost to your doorstep will be very
>> > cheap,  let me know if you are still interested, and email me
>> > back,hope to hear from you urgentl Regards
>>
>> >>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Feb 22 16:58:39 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
Message-ID: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>

Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 8hp 
Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
Chester.



> Hello Chester
>
> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>
> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>
> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>
> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following details
>
> Sender name
> Address
> Mtcn number
> Exact money sent
>
>
> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>
> Regards
>
> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a friend 
>> in
>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>> cheers,
>> Chester.
>>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Feb 22 17:26:23 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:26:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>

I just looked at that address on Google earth and it is an empty house. 
Possibly due for demolition.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Scam


> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 
> 8hp
> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
> Chester.
>
>
>
>> Hello Chester
>>
>> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
>> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
>> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
>> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>>
>> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>>
>> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>>
>> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following details
>>
>> Sender name
>> Address
>> Mtcn number
>> Exact money sent
>>
>>
>> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
>> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
>> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a friend
>>> in
>>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>>> cheers,
>>> Chester.
>>>
>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Feb 22 18:26:33 2010
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:26:33 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
	<8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>
Message-ID: <002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>

Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the money, 
cheers,
Chester.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


>I just looked at that address on Google earth and it is an empty house.
> Possibly due for demolition.
> Reg & Marg Ingold
> Newcastle.NSW  Australia
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Scam
>
>
>> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a
>> 8hp
>> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
>> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello Chester
>>>
>>> Thanks for your email, since you don,t used paypal, i will prefer you
>>> send the money to me via western union money transfer, shipping and
>>> insurance will cost additional 80 Pounds, so total cost will be 480
>>> Pounds,send payment via  union to my name and address below
>>>
>>> Receiver name......Tim Kraft
>>>
>>> Address.....174 plumstead common Road se18 2up UK
>>>
>>> AS soon as the payment is done, you are to email me the following 
>>> details
>>>
>>> Sender name
>>> Address
>>> Mtcn number
>>> Exact money sent
>>>
>>>
>>> As soon as i get this information, i will ship the package to your
>>> doorstep and i will email you the shipping tracking numbers, thanks
>>> and your urgent response will be appreciated
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On 2/22/10, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Hi Tim, no i dont use paypal, i can do better than that, i have a 
>>>> friend
>>>> in
>>>> the UK that will be able to organise cash,
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Chester.
>>>>
>>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 01:58:05 2010
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:58:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
	<8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc>
	<002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the money,
> cheers,
> Chester.

Probably a serviced mailbox.

Email him back and tell him that you have a friend with a trailer who
lives north of London, that will call round with two of his big
friends to help with loading, and they will bring the money with them
when they collect. See what that brings back!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Feb 23 02:38:20 2010
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:38:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scam
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester><8EE547E3E1E54F1E8099999B2C61BE20@regpc><002201cab42f$9de65120$210110ac@Chester>
	<6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DB33E1016BA492FA9ECA4CBF5F26114@regpc>

Sounds like a great line to try.
Keep us informed.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle.NSW  Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam


> On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> 
> wrote:
>> Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the mailbox waiting for the 
>> money,
>> cheers,
>> Chester.
>
> Probably a serviced mailbox.
>
> Email him back and tell him that you have a friend with a trailer who
> lives north of London, that will call round with two of his big
> friends to help with loading, and they will bring the money with them
> when they collect. See what that brings back!
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 23 07:25:53 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:25:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

You might want to put the police into the loop and have them watch the box.  You could do your part by mailing a letter to that address with your name promininetly displayed.

When the slimeball picks up the letter, he can be taken into custody to try to rpove that he wasn't in on a swindle.

OR, if you're not one of the folks who think the police can do no wrong, just hire a couple of your handy neighborhood thugs to give the slimeball an "attitude adjustment".

For further information about the term, see the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URvFvF3Ut3g

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 03:58 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Scam
> 
> 
> On 23 February 2010 02:26, Chester Smith 
> <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Interesting, he must just keep a eye on the 
> mailbox waiting for the money,
> > cheers,
> > Chester.
> 
> Probably a serviced mailbox.
> 
> Email him back and tell him that you have a 
> friend with a trailer who
> lives north of London, that will call round with 
> two of his big
> friends to help with loading, and they will bring 
> the money with them
> when they collect. See what that brings back!
> 
> Peter




From rotigel at me.com  Tue Feb 23 07:30:40 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:30:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
Message-ID: <36B1D215-8A35-463F-BA7A-2F3C96494EF2@me.com>

......don't own a screwdriver! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=34004
	Dave


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 08:46:30 2010
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:46:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025161002230158ub88499fs9d42a22691ceb65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOMIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb1002230846pf52d326v565b23382b2a8623@mail.gmail.com>

Eldon:
".. just hire a couple of your handy neighborhood thugs to give the
slimeball an "attitude adjustment"."

I'm shocked! I would never hire a criminal. I would tell a criminal or two
about the thousands in cash that is being mailed to the guy and then send an
empty package to the slimebag.

Paul in California, staying honest - somewhat


From no1djc at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 23 12:21:18 2010
From: no1djc at hotmail.com (David Carter)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:21:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Scam
In-Reply-To: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
References: <001a01cab423$5646b550$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W37268C1C9FA75985C4A95892420@phx.gbl>


  Hello Chester, 

I don't live near but I Googled the postcode  "se18 2up", and it doesn't seem to exist, however Plumstead Common Road does. The correct postcode is se18 2ul.

The premises were sold in October last year:-

 

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/174-plumstead-common-road/london/se18-2ul/21122290

 

I wonder if he was the purchaser, and ever met Mr. Steggle!

 

http://www.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/Library/files/planning/DecisonNotices3/1073-06.pdf

 

Have fun!

Regards, Dave Carter.

 

 

 

 

 
> From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:39 +0800
> Subject: [SEL] Scam
> 
> Hi, this is the latest mail, remember this engine he is selling me is a 8hp 
> Austral on transport, quite a big and heavy engine, i
> think his shipping costs are a bit out, anyone live near him?, cheers,
> Chester.
> 
>  		 	   		  
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 23 14:59:38 2010
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
In-Reply-To: <36B1D215-8A35-463F-BA7A-2F3C96494EF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEOPIKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

It may have been germaine to something but the ad's expired.

Tough luck, guy.  It was probably good.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 09:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] For You Guys Who......
> 
> 
> ......don't own a screwdriver! See: 
> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.ph
> p?product=34004
> 	Dave




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Feb 25 11:20:51 2010
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:20:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Leather Belting & Leather cups & packing
In-Reply-To: <561279A861C04D538906BAD7D0169668@BA8718F5>
References: <8D7569B75D4A43A1A4E3D44D8EB7701F@peterlowe>,
	<561279A861C04D538906BAD7D0169668@BA8718F5>
Message-ID: <COL106-W33967287B0944FD5056D84B4400@phx.gbl>


here is a link to the above

 

http://www.monarch-mclaren.com/flat_belting.html

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




  		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 06:30:53 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
Message-ID: <b18d.6ec8e254.38b9351d@aol.com>

_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171) 


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 07:31:27 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:31:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <b18d.6ec8e254.38b9351d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>

Arnie NEEDS this!

---- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: 
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171_ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220562825171) 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Feb 26 08:28:47 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:28:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <F8EB3519-5DDD-489E-A951-981828CD4D77@rustyiron.com>

On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:31 AM, <mr at carolina.rr.com> <mr at carolina.rr.com>  
wrote:

> Arnie NEEDS this!


If nothing else, he can add it to his Lorenz Milk Tester Registry,  
which you can view on his web page.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 11:34:16 2010
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:34:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
Message-ID: <1f646.7898c7ba.38b97c38@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/26/2010 10:40:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

Arnie  NEEDS this!


I had that in mind when I posted it.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 13:23:06 2010
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:23:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <F8EB3519-5DDD-489E-A951-981828CD4D77@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20100226212306.ZOI8L.140794.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

Great, there goes my Diet Coke all over the keyboard!!!!


---- Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote: 
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:31 AM, <mr at carolina.rr.com> <mr at carolina.rr.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Arnie NEEDS this!
> 
> 
> If nothing else, he can add it to his Lorenz Milk Tester Registry,  
> which you can view on his web page.
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Feb 26 16:57:05 2010
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:57:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
Message-ID: <B430ED720C05424FB0839D9B1344B18A@peterlowe>

Hi
It is List member from UK, Nev Beaty's Birthday today, Happy Birthday mate from Oz

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 26 18:38:58 2010
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:38:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
In-Reply-To: <B430ED720C05424FB0839D9B1344B18A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <121279.44866.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Well Happy Birthday, Nev.
Yesterday was my birthday.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:


From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Nev Beaty's birthday today
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:57 PM


Hi
It is List member from UK, Nev Beaty's Birthday today, Happy Birthday mate from Oz

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Feb 26 21:18:15 2010
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:18:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Milk Tester?
In-Reply-To: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20100226153127.PUD2Y.62505.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <01a202a4d350a9601a41b99ede5fa08a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Ya reckon I could have the gals of the SEL get "tested" at Portland?

On Fri, February 26, 2010 10:31 am, mr at carolina.rr.com wrote:
> Arnie NEEDS this!
>




From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Feb 27 22:15:11 2010
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:15:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Toy.
In-Reply-To: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
References: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <3C31F8CC-D2D8-49E8-9F22-F11F20D19577@rustyiron.com>

Score!





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 22:57:33 2010
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:57:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Toy.
In-Reply-To: <D5AF776406D74137A4ADFCE3A849498F@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <C7B05F0D.4069%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Very nice. That is the big brother transport compared to Ron?s 3hp.


On 28/2/10 11:26 AM, "Brian Watts" <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Our new toy arrived home t`day, a 6 1/2 hp Blackstone on an original cast iron
> transport, little work is required to return the eng. to operation.
> Brian Watts
> briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> (03) 97266147
>  
> David Watts
> damewatt at bigpond.com.au
> (03) 87616332
>  
>  Blackstone videos..
> http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Feb 28 15:09:51 2010
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
In-Reply-To: <9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
References: <ODECJOOOFHNCJHIEHLDLKEOECCAA.ketleys@telkomsa.net>
	<9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
Message-ID: <20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>


Congrats Team Canada!




Mark & Christine Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206




From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Feb 28 15:23:03 2010
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:23:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
Message-ID: <f119.596190f9.38bc54d7@aol.com>

I agree what a game.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2010 6:20:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:


Congrats Team Canada!




Mark & Christine  Shulaw
Bluffton, OH.  45817-9601
USA
419.358.5206


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Feb 28 17:57:05 2010
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Olympics
In-Reply-To: <20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <ODECJOOOFHNCJHIEHLDLKEOECCAA.ketleys@telkomsa.net>
	<9223A0F16B6443D38482DBDE884804A4@morpheus>
	<20100228230935.1035A92EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <D9BFC651-5347-4E3F-8590-AE3AAB022842@me.com>

>
> Congrats Team Canada!

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser!
	Dave