From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 21:30:57 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:30:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 Message-ID: I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to reflect the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more pictures. There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a very basic view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other details removed. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 07:58:51 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:58:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Do you have (or need) the name of the new owner of 2629? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to > reflect > the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more > pictures. > There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a > very basic > view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other > details > removed. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 3 11:34:05 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:34:05 GMT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20100803.143405.25755.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi Guys, I just added a few pictures to my web site if any care to look. 2010 Show Pix - Ashtabula County Antique Engine Club www.oldengine.org/members/betz Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Man will bury himself in plastic." ____________________________________________________________ SHOCKING: 2010 Honda Civic for $1,732.09 SPECIAL REPORT: High ticket items are being auctioned for an incredible 90% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c5861255bebc5c3823st02vuc From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 3 13:36:01 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:36:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Engine Show Message-ID: Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE See ya there! Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 15:19:19 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:19:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Engine Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup! Did you get any reply from Mark re: the Fishook address? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the > show! > > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > > See ya there! > > Arnie From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Aug 3 20:49:50 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:49:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! > >http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > >See ya there! > >Arnie > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 21:26:00 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:26:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > > > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the >> show! >> >> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE >> >> See ya there! >> >> Arnie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Aug 4 04:11:06 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:11:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 04:59:34 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:59:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9A994552A0F54691999B47EB935F5AC1@D2JYVHJ1> Yeah Russell, the Recession has hit hard! I thought maybe some old iron guys would be heading down I-65 and would be doing 71 mph (the speed limit on I-65 is 70 through my county) giving us a "legal" reason to stop them. I've put out word to my local law enforcement to stop all vehicles loaded with old iron and bring them immediately to jail. You'd be surprised what people are willing to post as bail! Especially when we walk them back to Butch's cell and let them know Butch will be their new bunkmate. Butch is 6' 10', weighs 280 and was offered a contract to play for the Indianapolis Colts. He has a problem though in that he doesn't like other people. The last guy we put in the cell with him will be getting out of the hospital this week after a 2 month stay. AND, all he had on his truck was a 2 cylinder Maytag! Seriously, there are about 35 Hagan engines known to be left. At one time I had 16 of them. I've still got 14 and I've decided that's probably too many for one shed. I've got 3 Model B Hagan engines (one hopper cooled, one tank cooled and the Electric Lighting model) and thought it might be good to make some room in the shed by turning one loose. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3045 - Release Date: 08/02/10 06:35:00 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 05:39:54 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <09b29ff9b55fa90cc6ea34e95af8e6c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Engines are loaded, just gotta load the "stuff" in the truck. Oh, and pickup beer and ice. 8-)) Are they still doing the corn roast Friday night? YUM!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 3, 2010 11:49 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >>Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! >> >>http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Aug 4 05:32:23 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:32:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> The answer is yes but probably easier to use the Fishlock gate to get in . But the Fishlock gate does not have an address. For next year I will get the address for the house across the street from the Fishlock gate, Or maybe the coordinates of the gate. Mark At 12:26 AM 8/4/2010, you wrote: >Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? > Dave > >On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: > >> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the > >> show! > >> > >> > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > >> > >> See ya there! > >> > >> Arnie > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 06:08:02 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <353.90962.qm@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Russell Gilbert wrote: From: Russell Gilbert Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:11 AM I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 06:28:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have the stupid export barriers that your country does. So, no worries mate! See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:21:07 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:21:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2010 8:11:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded OH MY GOSH---HE is A DOOZER Stan Pleasanton Tx From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:23:44 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:23:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: Bet he IS hard to get started! Stan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 06:26:46 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:26:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <353.90962.qm@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05C362B64E074F98BE4694491DB45C5C@laruecounty.courthouse> Joe, He doesn't need to waste his time on the Governorship....he needs to be in DC with those just like him! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 06:40:08 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:40:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Arnie, If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow G'day Russell, Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have the stupid export barriers that your country does. So, no worries mate! See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:47:44 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:47:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: TOMMY! YOU hit it right on the HEAD for sure! If they were ALL like that, things would be MUCH better----(?)----LOL Stan Pleasanton, Tx From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 10:04:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:04:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Russell, that was easy!! Send Tommy a check and your shipping address and start planning the Ozzie "Coming Out" party for your new Hagen. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - You KNOW that you want it. We talked about this sort of opportunity on the drive to and from Coolspring. PPS - Don't forget that important old engine maxim; you snooze you lose. On Wed, August 4, 2010 9:40 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! > I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them > parts :-) > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Aug 4 10:46:53 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse>, <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Or more importantly, if you snooze an evil Royster could ease over to Tommy's shed and ply him with the Elixer and make off with yet another TT reject engine! > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:04:52 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > Gee Russell, that was easy!! > > Send Tommy a check and your shipping address and start planning the Ozzie "Coming > Out" party for your new Hagen. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - You KNOW that you want it. We talked about this sort of opportunity on the > drive to and from Coolspring. > > PPS - Don't forget that important old engine maxim; you snooze you lose. > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 4 11:06:49 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:06:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, We can always use the traditional ATIS cheap transport system! See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2766315600028520097zfIXuw Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > Arnie, > If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! > I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:29 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them > parts :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 12:25:31 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <05C362B64E074F98BE4694491DB45C5C@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <834355.58778.qm@web112612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Once again, you are right. When they made him, they broke the mold.... and beat the tar out of the mold maker. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 8:26 AM Joe, ??? He doesn't need to waste his time on the Governorship....he needs to be in DC with those just like him! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 4 12:43:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:43:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <05B3F697-9641-4F39-B4C6-7080EF2E2D3B@me.com> That's OK, I don't have a 26' trailer anyway! Dave PS, See you about 1:00 tomorrow! On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > The answer is yes but probably easier to use the Fishlock gate to get > in . But the Fishlock gate does not have an address. For next year I > will get the address for the house across the street from the > Fishlock gate, Or maybe the coordinates of the gate. Mark > > > At 12:26 AM 8/4/2010, you wrote: >> Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? >> Dave >> >> On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: >> >>> Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! >>> >>> For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS >>> to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See >>> Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >>>> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the >>>> show! >>>> >>>> >> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE >>>> >>>> See ya there! >>>> >>>> Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> Mark Shulaw >>> 454 County Road 33 >>> Bluffton, OH. 45817 >>> USA >>> >>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. >>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 14:20:17 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: <11651070.1280956818899.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm somewhat suprised that this has yet to happen. -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Royster >Sent: Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > >Or more importantly, if you snooze an evil Royster could ease over to Tommy's shed and ply him with the Elixer and make off with yet another TT reject engine! > > > Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Aug 4 14:57:51 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:57:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your other items. No worries mate!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts >> :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 4 20:07:55 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:07:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the mid70s) He called it a "piston vise"............. ? This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg Bill From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 20:42:08 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:42:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: G'day Russell, DO they have Shark Week in Oz? Hope so, cos you just been CHOMPED!! 8-)) On Wed, August 4, 2010 5:57 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your > other items. > > No worries mate!!!! > > MR From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 20:36:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:36:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Don't tell me you have parted with your lovely Austral! It is not critical to know who owns an engine or where it is but it does help prevent duplicates or mis-identified engines on the register. Patrick On 4/8/10 12:58 AM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > Hi Patrick, Do you have (or need) the name of the new owner of 2629? > Dave > > On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to >> reflect >> the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more >> pictures. >> There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a >> very basic >> view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other >> details >> removed. >> It can be seen at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 20:48:18 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:48:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like a pipe vice to me... On Wed, August 4, 2010 11:07 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 4 23:01:43 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:01:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: Message-ID: It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing it damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine job on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. A nice bit of gear. I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Aug 5 05:05:29 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:05:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't have ... ! At 01:42 PM 5/08/2010, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >DO they have Shark Week in Oz? Hope so, cos you just been CHOMPED!! 8-)) > >On Wed, August 4, 2010 5:57 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > > Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your > > other items. > > > > No worries mate!!!! > > > > MR > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Aug 5 05:09:29 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 05:09:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b65232840bb7ca29e003cb5976f4997.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> So, Reg - you are saying it IS indeed a piston vise, like my old boss said? He's 83, and was a mechanic way back in the 50s and 60s and had a lot of stuff from the middle of the 1900s as far as car tools. He had a lot of the early Kent Moore tools for working on the Ramblers/AMC cars, especially for their early 6s. I'd like to know more - this is really interesting stuff! (LOL, and engine related!) Bill > It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing > it > damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine job > on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. > The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. > A nice bit of gear. > I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I > also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: [SEL] What is it? > > >> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in >> the >> mid70s) >> >> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of >> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >> >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 05:22:14 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:22:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <3b65232840bb7ca29e003cb5976f4997.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: This is the first I have seen but, it was made to do the job I described. I, for my needs, came up with a comparable setup. There were/are a lot of things to do when making pistons from basic raw material. The holding without damage is a BIG thing. These days, so called mechanics are just part changers. The days of 'making' the part when needed are gone. Perhaps that is why we play in this hobby. I 'make' the stuff I need from basic stock. Pistons, valves, all of the stuff to make a working model engine. I take joy from the making, and the finished models. When I am done making, I sorta lose interest in a lot of projects. Thats why I sell them and start in on a new one. Some are 'keepers' and reside in the back shed. Others go to new homes. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What is it? > So, Reg - you are saying it IS indeed a piston vise, like my old boss > said? > He's 83, and was a mechanic way back in the 50s and 60s and had a lot of > stuff from the middle of the 1900s as far as car tools. > He had a lot of the early Kent Moore tools for working on the Ramblers/AMC > cars, especially for their early 6s. > > I'd like to know more - this is really interesting stuff! (LOL, and engine > related!) > > Bill > >> It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing >> it >> damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine >> job >> on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. >> The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. >> A nice bit of gear. >> I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I >> also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Dickerson" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM >> Subject: [SEL] What is it? >> >> >>> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >>> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in >>> the >>> mid70s) >>> >>> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >>> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of >>> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >>> >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Aug 5 06:31:49 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:31:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Chris Boyens Message-ID: Hi all Is Chris Boyens on either engine list please or does anyone have a contact number for him? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 07:29:53 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:29:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> On Aug 5, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start > passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't > have ... ! You can start by selling me that bum crack Campbell motor... From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Aug 5 15:50:04 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:50:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> You already have one, ..... greedy man At 12:29 AM 6/08/2010, you wrote: >On Aug 5, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start > > passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't > > have ... ! > > >You can start by selling me that bum crack Campbell motor... > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 16:03:07 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:03:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <09328DD5-D6CE-417A-8622-2C183BB1CDB4@rustyiron.com> On Aug 5, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > You already have one, ..... greedy man I want to be with Campbells like you are with Hornsbys. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 8 10:31:13 2010 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:31:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home Message-ID: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1@aol.com> Has any one used this product shown in the following? _http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx _ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 8 11:11:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:11:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1@aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds a lot like Evapo Rust. Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home Has any one used this product shown in the following? _http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx _ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3050 - Release Date: 08/08/10 06:35:00 From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 8 13:15:41 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> As with most "piston vises" Bill, it's a vise into which a piston is placed (and held) in order to work on the fore-mentioned piston! Dave PS, Glad to be of help! PPS, Books, school, eat! On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him > in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a > lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From doubled.66 at verizon.net Sun Aug 8 16:17:40 2010 From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (JANA DAVIS) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:17:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help Message-ID: <000601cb374f$e683c310$2101a8c0@David> I am looking for someone to haul a 30 inch flywheel with the crank still attached to from Portland to some where close to Pittsburgh Pa . If you can help me out please let me know . From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 16:44:50 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:44:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help References: <000601cb374f$e683c310$2101a8c0@David> Message-ID: Try Arnie or Dave. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANA DAVIS" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help >I am looking for someone to haul a 30 inch flywheel with the crank still >attached to from Portland to some where close to Pittsburgh Pa . If you can >help me out please let me know . > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 8 18:59:44 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:59:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: Hi All, I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the engine--30's when I start it and 60+ on real hot days after it warms up. It ran at about 40-42 0n Thursday and the same on Friday (perhaps only 34 in the early afternoon.) Then about 2:30 it slowed to only about 20 revs between hits, and as Arnie and I watched (and listened) to 14-16. I shut it down and began checking things out. First I checked out the temperature of the rod and main bearing caps--95 degrees which is about normal. Next Arnie and I turned the engine over by hand. Clearly something was "binding" somewhere! We then removed the rod cap and examines the journal and the brasses. Everything was normal. Next with the rod disconnected we turned the flywheels over and it was smooth as silk with no tightness noted. So we reconnected the rod and rolled it over. Tightness noted, Must be something with the piston? Arnie suggested that the cylinder/piston might be all gummed up and that perhaps some gasoline poured down the oiler hole might free things up. So while Arnie turned the flywheels I poured about a 1/4 pint of gasoline down the oiler hole. THE ENGINE loosed up almost immediately! We started the Galloway and the first time over it made 32 revs before it hit! PROBLEM SOLVED! Two minutes later it was down to 16 revs and after several cycles I shut the Galloway down and Arnie and I had another beer on which to think! It took a while, but after some time I said "You know Arnie the only thing I changed (about two years ago) is to go to non detergent oil because you pointed out that after a rain it left no white residue" Arnie replied, "That's for an engine 'wipe down', not in the oilers!" OPPS! I did not run the engine at all on Saturday! Today after I got home I took the piston out and now have it soaking in the parts cleaner--the rings are loose. I also removed the ignitor and gunked the cylinder well. Tomorrow I'll do that again. I'll then wipe down the piston and cylinder and reinstall the piston and replace the oil in the oiler. Baraboo and Portland will "tell the tail!" Dave From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Sun Aug 8 19:53:14 2010 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:53:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5F6D9A.8040903@matthewsfarm.com> Interesting, keep us informed as to the results. Thanks for the information Bob -- << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the > > From gastzt at aol.com Sun Aug 8 20:03:45 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:03:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: HMMmmmmmm! Wonder how synthetic would SCARE the engine? Stan From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 06:22:49 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:22:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> Message-ID: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of day in both cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, How many fish did you catch in lake Rotigel ? Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty fairgrounds and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in Ohio. We had it all!! Doug Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage machines together I know of anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly from him yet. The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line up of Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is 386 This included the Briggs engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam even brought the infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs engines missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not know what it was. Talk about Corn, we roasted 45 dozen ears! And cut up 25 musk melons Friday evening. ONCE again my hats off to you the exhibitor!! The efforts of all to bring this display of equipment together and do it SAFELY is just amazing! I know that many times I was asked to pass on Thank You to the volunteers that organize the show and we appreciate that. But without you the Exhibitor we would only have an empty grounds. You fill it, You and your machines are the reason for the show and the heart of it. Thank You!!! We would like to hear your suggestions as to how we could make the show and your experience better for next year. There is one important event that many forget about and that is the Membership banquet that we have every November held usually about the second weekend. If you want an invitation to it and you do not get it before October 1 let us know. This meeting is important. At that banquet we the members can nominate and vote for to elect the Trustees that will represent us the members. The best way to influence the organization is to vote in the people that have your views and ideas. These Trustees then elect your Officers, Pres, V-Pres, Secretary, and Treasurer. Your vote counts, Come to the Banquet. See you all at Portland. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 9 07:36:46 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> On Aug 8, 2010, at 6:59 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. Another variable that might be a factor is the drip rate. Don't you set your oilers to 0.024 drops per minute? Perhaps a more LIBERAL application of lubricants would affect the running characteristics. If not, then just fill the oilers with gasoline?it seems to do the trick. Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 9 07:56:56 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Okay Dave: What was the problem? Stuck rings? Crud on the cylinder wall? Whut??!! Maybe you have experienced some "history" first-hand. There was probably a good reason why them scientist guys at the oil companies came up with detergent oils. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil > > > Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP > Galloway at Findlay From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 9 07:59:35 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:59:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <949419CE33784B8CA4FF9DFF7E7E6793@laruecounty.courthouse> And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you don't care. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY If not, then just fill the oilers with gasoline-it seems to do the trick. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 9 08:22:51 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:22:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> References: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> Message-ID: <938ae2a0534ace2704f48f933d5f4cf2.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Thanks - and to think it took a tenured professor to explain that! Bill > As with most "piston vises" Bill, it's a vise into which a piston is > placed (and held) in order to work on the fore-mentioned piston! > Dave > PS, Glad to be of help! > PPS, Books, school, eat! > > On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him >> in the >> mid70s) >> >> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a >> lot of >> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >> >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Aug 9 08:30:19 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:30:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> References: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4C601F0B.1040808@accnorwalk.com> > > Another variable that might be a factor is the drip rate. Don't you > set your oilers to 0.024 drops per minute? > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > I think your on to something here, Rob. The one million to one rate isn't quite as effective on the Galloway as it is a Maytag only because the flywheel is bigger!! Doug T From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Aug 9 08:50:51 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:50:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> Mark, our count consists of all motorized lawn and garden equipment. Our official count was 961 pieces of equipment on display. I would be willing to bet you missed quite a few Briggs because it seems to me the ratio of Briggs powered equipment would have been off?? It really doesn't make a difference, no matter how you slice the musk melon it was still a fantastic show!! I sure didn't hear any negatives on the displays!! Can't wait to get to Portland and rest up. ha-ha Doug T Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it > safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of > day in both > > cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through > most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, > How many fish did > > you catch in lake Rotigel ? > > Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty fairgrounds > and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in Ohio. We had it > all!! Doug > > Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America > motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage machines > together I know of > > anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly from > him yet. > > The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line up of > Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is 386 This > included the Briggs > > engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two > here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam > even brought the > > infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs engines > missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not know what it > was. > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 09:05:02 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:05:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Mark, thanks to you and your buds for putting on another FINE show. As to the fish in the pond, some little kid took two nice smallmouth bass, but Dave and I were skunked. One question... What are the dates for the 2011 show, we want to make motel reservations. I think it's Aug. 4-7, 2011. It was in the show flyer, but somewhere along the line that got pitched. See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 9:22 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it > safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of > day in both > cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through > most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, > How many fish did you catch in lake Rotigel ? > From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Aug 9 09:35:43 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available In-Reply-To: <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>, <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>, <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>, <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com>, <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi folks out there in Engine Land; Would any of you know of an Engine / Show site / Org. that might be interested in a complete Engine Power plant set-up This is a Fairbanks 37 F-16 , 7 Cyl. overhauled in 1999 is very complete & in running condition. If there is any interest please let me know. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 9 09:36:58 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:36:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:59:35 -0400 >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Message-ID: <949419CE33784B8CA4FF9DFF7E7E6793 at laruecounty.courthouse> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you don't >care. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy :-), That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car made a new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 09:58:30 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] English Engine Rallies Message-ID: Ron, Have a look at... http://www.melright.com/music/whatson.htm See ya, Arnie > --------------------------------- Original Message -------------------- > > Just a quick question. What engine rallies are coming up in England > this month and early September? > Thanks > Ron > Canberra From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 10:14:10 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:14:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9 August 2010 02:59, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ?I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. We run the 11hp Ruston diesel on Morris Lubricants Golden Film oil. It's not a full detergent, just a straight 30 oil for older engines and cars: http://www.morrislubricantsonline.co.uk/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=165&product=Golden+Film+SAE+30+Classic+Motor+Oil Probably there's something equivalent in the USA? We have plenty of synthetic and semi-synthetic for the diesel vans and the Discovery V8 (semi-synthetic diesel oil 10W-40) but the Ruston is slow speed and doesn't really get hot enough to make multi-grades work properly. We have run quite a few hours now, and haven't changed any of the drip-rates, it still drags out a lot of dirt from the engine and the bore etc is fine. We did a bearing inspection after Nuenen and it all looks fine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 10:24:06 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:24:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >> >> And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you >> don't >> care. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > Hi Tommy :-), > That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car > made a > new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" Dave From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 10:47:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:47:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> The piston and cylinder have both been cleaned well, and the piston has been reinstalled. Detergent oil has been put in the oiler and everything has been well oiled. The Galloway started the first time over and went 34 revs before hitting a second time. It's been running for about an hour now and has settled into a civilized 50 revs between hits! I'll not know conclusively if the non-detergent oil was the problem until the fall of 2013, but at this point that would seem to be the case! (I'm applying for a federal grant to study the situation!) Dave PS, Life is GOOD PPS, Life is even better at 40-plus revs between hits! On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Elden wrote: > Okay Dave: > > What was the problem? Stuck rings? Crud on the cylinder wall? > Whut??!! > > Maybe you have experienced some "history" first-hand. There was > probably a good reason why them scientist guys at the oil > companies came up with detergent oils. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:00 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >> >> >> Hi All, >> I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP >> Galloway at Findlay From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:08:12 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!! On Mon, August 9, 2010 1:24 pm, David Rotigel wrote: >> That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car made a >> new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! >> > > Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" > Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 10:59:14 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:59:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <20100809175910.F423A93AA@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Doug, Great numbers !!! So close to 1000. Did you count the engine area? We had a number of pieces there too. 20-30 pieces I would estimate based on just three displays I can think of. I feel the count is fairly close. Besides the engine area we went through all the machines in the garden tractor and scooter area and the rows in the infield and the tent as well looking under the hoods. But I will admit that on the brands that did not normally factory install Briggs we did not look close at them so if there was a Briggs rigged into it we could have missed that. We even walked through the camping area east of the infield and the camping area to the north side to make sure to catch anything setting in camping. Even looked in the vending areas along the creek in case some were being displayed there along with a venders spot. That was a hoof covering the whole grounds. Only area we did not cover was the flea market on the north side. Did you get through there and see anything? Mark At 11:50 AM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >Mark, our count consists of all motorized lawn and garden equipment. >Our official count was 961 pieces of equipment on display. I would >be willing to bet you missed quite a few Briggs because it seems to >me the ratio of Briggs powered equipment would have been off?? It >really doesn't make a difference, no matter how you slice the musk >melon it was still a fantastic show!! I sure didn't hear any >negatives on the displays!! Can't wait to get to Portland and rest >up. ha-ha Doug T > > > > > >Mark Shulaw wrote: >> >>Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did >>it safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time >>of day in both >> >>cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through >>most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. >>Arnie, How many fish did >> >>you catch in lake Rotigel ? >> >> Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty >> fairgrounds and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in >> Ohio. We had it all!! Doug >> >>Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America >>motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage >>machines together I know of >> >>anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly >>from him yet. >> >> The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line >> up of Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is >> 386 This included the Briggs >> >>engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two >>here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam >>even brought the >> >>infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs >>engines missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not >>know what it was. >> > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:15:33 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:15:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> References: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: That is an interesting aspect of the 16 hp Galloway at the "tourist" shows like Apple & Arts. Gals are walking up the engine line with an armload of bundles from the artsy part of the show headed for the parking lot; not really paying much attention to the engines. The Galloway is just sitting there quietly turning over (solar powered?). The gals happen to be opposite the engine when she takes this deep intake snort, and BANG! she hits. Poor gals 'bout jump out of their knickers with a "Wot the HELL was THAT???" Dave and I are sitting there just snickering... Life is good (and amusing). On Mon, August 9, 2010 1:47 pm, David Rotigel wrote: > PPS, Life is even better at 40-plus revs between hits! See ya, Arnie From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 9 11:04:54 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:04:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:31:13 EDT >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1 at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Has any one used this product shown in the following? > >_http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx > > >_ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 Hi Francis, You've been quiet. Sounds like a great product and I checked to see if we can get it here (in South Africa). Bummer, look at their distribution page here: Africa does not even exist :-) (or Europe for that matter). Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:41:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:41:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <8cb6cd57647c7848a8e128f9f059437d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, There's your opportunity knocking mate!! All of Africa as YOUR territory. Just think of the PROFITS!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 2:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > You've been quiet. Sounds like a great product and I checked to > see if we can get it here (in South Africa). Bummer, look at their > distribution page here: > > Africa does not even exist :-) (or Europe for that matter). From jbcast at charter.net Mon Aug 9 12:36:09 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:36:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. J.B. Castagnos, B Belle Rose, LA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 13:11:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> Message-ID: <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Dave, have a care with this offer. The pieces of turtle shell and pelican feathers might alter the lubrication properties... See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you > want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. > J.B. Castagnos, > Belle Rose, LA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 9 14:10:38 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:10:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> JB, Bet you could make money selling little bottles of BP crude at the shows. Wonder if anyone is selling it on Ebay ? ;-) George On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you > want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. > J.B. Castagnos, > Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 15:09:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:09:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Interesting problem. I run the big R&V on non-detergent oil with no problems in fact it is better than when I used to use detergent oil in it. Once it is warmed up it consistently gets 42 revolutions between firing. At one show I was asked 'what is that noise it makes every now and then?' I said that it was the engine firing. Back to oils; when I had the Austral at the Royal Easter Show someone put some cheap detergent oil in it. The next morning it was seized solid. I had to climb on the spokes to get the piston to move. Not happy. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 9 16:07:24 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:07:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a little later? RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 17:31:11 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:31:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100810003107.3354E9421@smtp.wcoil.com> I would tend to think that if non detergent oil is the problem it might really boil down to a particular brand from a particular refiner. Not all refiners crack from the same crude stock. So there may be characteristics from that which come into play. A paraffin based crude is generally accepted as being a crude that produces the best lubricants. But another 30W ND could be made from a Asphaltic-Base crude. And too refiners are not all the same. Mark At 07:07 PM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to >admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a >little later? > >RickinMt. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 17:37:42 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:37:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52644933-BF76-4066-9298-4146D37CA4B6@me.com> Hi Rick, Are you saying that when your elevator does not reach the top floor the detergent gets there a bit later? What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? Please clarify so that all can understand! Dave On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the > first to > admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent > come a > little later? > > RickinMt. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 9 18:01:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100810003107.3354E9421@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I've figured this out folks. We need to find out the brand of oil Dave used. I've got several old hunks of iron here that have a great deal of blow by. The bore on the cylinder is worn out. If Dave's oil will "tighten" them up, then we've got an overhaul in a can! Come to think of it, this stuff may be good for other uses as well. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:31 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story I would tend to think that if non detergent oil is the problem it might really boil down to a particular brand from a particular refiner. Not all refiners crack from the same crude stock. So there may be characteristics from that which come into play. A paraffin based crude is generally accepted as being a crude that produces the best lubricants. But another 30W ND could be made from a Asphaltic-Base crude. And too refiners are not all the same. Mark At 07:07 PM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to >admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a >little later? > >RickinMt. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3061 - Release Date: 08/09/10 18:35:00 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 18:12:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:12:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <84f85dc8531a9cbf5f8907f40300814c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> JB, It looks like eBay is wide open for GOM BP crude oil sales!! Maybe even put some in the Portland Charity Auction? See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 5:10 pm, Best, George wrote: > JB, > Bet you could make money selling little bottles of BP crude at the shows. > Wonder if anyone is selling it on Ebay ? ;-) > > On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you >> want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. >> J.B. Castagnos, >> Belle Rose, LA > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 18:18:06 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:18:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ec53f8bec2c21a3d22402d51bd8fd8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, Not relevant. When the Galloway was working for a living, you can bet your boots that it never coasted 40 revs between hits. It was belted up powering a big apple grinding / pressing operation up in the NW. It's only now that it's leading a luxury life as a show pony that it gets to loaf along. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 7:07 pm, Richard Strobel wrote: > > A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to > admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a > little later? From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Aug 9 20:58:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:58:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available In-Reply-To: References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>, , <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>, , <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>, , <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, , <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , , <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>, , <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com>, , <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, Message-ID: HMmmmmmmmmmmmmm aint anybody even courious what 50 tons of Engine looks like ? with 16 " bore & 20" stroke & 300 RPM Max Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:35:43 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available > > > > > Hi folks out there in Engine Land; > > Would any of you know of an Engine / Show site / Org. that might > be interested in a complete Engine Power plant set-up > > This is a Fairbanks 37 F-16 , 7 Cyl. overhauled in 1999 > is very complete & in running condition. > > If there is any interest please let me know. > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Aug 10 00:38:00 2010 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: <737372.82097.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What.. Dave posting a message about old engines. Who lives closest to Dave and can go check him out? Check his temperature, just make sure he can't bite the thermometer. Graham in Oz >Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay >this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the >engine--30's when I start it and 60+ on real hot days after it warms From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 10 05:21:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:21:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <52644933-BF76-4066-9298-4146D37CA4B6@me.com> Message-ID: Rick & Dave: Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when they are retired. Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the non-detergent oils of the time. Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring grooves, causing ring binding. I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:38 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > Hi Rick, > Are you saying that when your elevator does not > reach the top floor > the detergent gets there a bit later? What does this > have to do with > the discussion at hand? Please clarify so that all can > understand! > Dave From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 05:56:06 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:56:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: Elden- Your opinion is a very good one----my dad and my uncle both had one of the hit-miss! They used them on the water-well pumpjacks--(which I did acquire---)--- Both were Stovers---- they would yank the head off, remove the piston assembly and really clean it up good, then stuff it back together (same rings etc)---, adjust the rod-shims, then let 'er rip for another maybe 2 years or so! My dad ran his (4hp) rather slow, but my uncle (his brother), ran the crap out of his-----HIGH RPM's----I need to re-do the babbits on that one---ha! It is a 5hp----but luckey for me, I ended up with all of it, pumpjacks and all----sure is fun stuff! Guess it don't hurt to clean them up now and then! Take care all--- Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx ps: I use synthetic when I can---sure works great! Only thing is the $$----yuk! From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 06:33:49 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:33:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story References: Message-ID: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not changed much. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Rick & Dave: Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when they are retired. Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the non-detergent oils of the time. Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring grooves, causing ring binding. I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 06:44:54 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:44:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden, That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going through at Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 8:21 am, Elden wrote: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 06:44:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yea, pretty much parallels what Arnie said. Guess I've never used non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) Thanks Elden Rick > Rick & Dave: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. > > I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, > worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 06:46:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:46:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> Message-ID: Be cool to see the 16 on a prony brake and see the results. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kirkes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about > weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in > old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed > for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was > foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be > prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not > changed much. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > Rick & Dave: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a > living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, > when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. > > I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my > opinion, > worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 06:47:12 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:47:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: Arnie--- that BOTTOM line is the BEST part---LOL Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 06:59:26 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:59:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 07:18:26 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:18:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a454c9b084eb4c247f6aa6380863cc1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Rick, Most any decent auto parts store carries 30 wt non-detergent oil. I mix it 50-50 with kero and spray the mix on old, original finish engines to glam them up a bit. As Dave mentioned, when that "recipe" gets rained on or when the engine is covered and water evaporating from the hopper condenses and wets the finish, it doesn't turn a yukky white like a detergent oil will. See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 9:44 am, Richard Strobel wrote: > yea, pretty much parallels what Arnie said. Guess I've never used > non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 10 07:19:19 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:19:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> Wow, that's a lot of oil to be pouring down that babe. But as has been stated, an engine hooked to a saw, grinder or similar piece of equipment would run hotter, burn out the oil, etc. I still don't see why Dave's engine acted as it did by seizing up a bit with the ND oil. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Aug 10 08:08:12 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> Prioritys Prioritys, Counting drips or watching gals, What yah think they were watching. Good engine men can do BOTH! With a Beer or Whiskey in each hand and a fishing line in the waters of Lake Rotigel. Walked by several times and seen them at their finest! Mark At 09:59 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > > through at > > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > >While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the >"drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > >One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says >two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > >Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > >Rob > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:19:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:19:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34B60CD5-A327-45F9-A997-0CE620B5B85A@me.com> Wal Mart, any auto supply store, K-mart etc. Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Guess I've never used > non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) > > Thanks Elden > Rick > > > >> Rick & Dave: >> >> Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, >> they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when >> they are retired. >> >> Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down >> periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the >> non-detergent oils of the time. >> >> Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of >> detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring >> grooves, causing ring binding. >> >> I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, >> worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:22:34 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:22:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Two drops per minute per HP was the general recomendation. That, of course, is if the engine is working. I, typically, set the Galloway for around 4 to 5 drops per minute. Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >> That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going >> through at >> Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > > While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the > "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > > One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says > two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > > Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:32:04 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:32:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <98C79111-3BC6-4E88-80BF-BDF98AFE50FD@me.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I still don't see why Dave's > engine acted as it did by seizing up a bit with the ND oil. > > Tommy Turner It was a goooooy/gummmmy mess when I took it apart Tommy! The rings were free, but VERY sticky, as was the piston and cylinder. The 30 weight ND I was using was the house brand from Tractor Supply, but of the 4 or 5 qts. that I've used over the past 2 years most have come from Wal-Mart. Dave From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:51:55 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:51:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3F296C9F-DE89-4916-8CB3-602058258AE7@me.com> As Arnie is want to say "Engine shows are very tiring" when done properly! Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Prioritys Prioritys, Counting drips or watching gals, What yah think > they were watching. Good engine men can do BOTH! With a Beer or > Whiskey in each hand and a fishing line in the waters of Lake > Rotigel. Walked by several times and seen them at their > finest! Mark > > > > > At 09:59 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: > >> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>> That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going >>> through at >>> Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. >> >> >> While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the >> "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? >> >> One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says >> two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. >> >> Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. >> >> Rob >> > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 10 10:19:40 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:19:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100810191822.01c59ad8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 10/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:24:06 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" > Dave O.K. Dave, You got me that time :-) Jerry From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 10 10:25:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: On my Homebrew Hvid engine, I set the rate to between two and three drops per minute. If they are slobbering a little oil past the piston skirt and aren't running hot or making rude noises, that seems to be enough. Also, when the engine is stopped, if I can feel oilyness on the cylinder wall, it's okay. On the McVickerish engine, I'm presently tweaking it to run well and it seems to be happy with a little over two drops per minute. Any more than that and it looks like it's got a lot of blowby but the smoke is really only the expelled gas from the valve actuator cylinder. I suppose more is better to a point. Personally, I use either single weight (30W) detergent or 15W-40. It depends on what I happen to fill the oil can with. Some time, I may try some of the low-ash 15W-40 synthetic I use in the Jetta. It should work okay and is not supposed to burn so the smoke may be less. Ain't it fun! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave > and I were going > > through at > > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > > While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother > to count the > "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > > One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, > another manual says > two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > > Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > > Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 12:48:37 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:48:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> I just love that 15-40 synthetic---works great! The rings and cylinder love it---ha! Stan From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 15:36:38 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:36:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> About then (10 or so years ago) I got into a discussion with John Culp (who seems to be well versed regarding petrochemistry) about this issue. His feeling was, as I recall, that the early oil was far different from today's non-detergent oil in that it contained natural products that acted in some respect as detergents. With today's refining technology non-detergent oil is not the same product as "pre-detergent" oil. Larry Evans At 06:33 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about >weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in >old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed >for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was >foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be >prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not >changed much. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 15:44:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> Message-ID: <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> Have you tested the 15-40 syn against 10-40 detergent? At what speed did you test the difference? Over a period of how many years? Dave PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a difference given the number of years I have left. On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, gastzt at aol.com wrote: > I just love that 15-40 synthetic---works great! The rings and > cylinder > love it---ha! > Stan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 16:16:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:16:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> John was considered to be an expert in many things Larry! Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Larry Evans wrote: > About then (10 or so years ago) I got into a discussion with John > Culp (who > seems to be well versed regarding petrochemistry) about this issue. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Tue Aug 10 16:46:46 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:46:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> What's this - you have gals at rallies? Do you need special permits or permission for this? :) Mark On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Elden, > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > See ya, Arnie > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:00:35 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:00:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <665d4.21e74315.39934223@aol.com> Well Dave--- I'm in the same boat---I only use it in the cylinder-dripper----! I am 70---and really haven't had time to test it much-----I only run the old engines here at the house lately--(we just moved here and haven't had time to get squared away yet---) Hopefully next year will be more of an engine-time/show time fun thing!---- Hope to get my 8hp Stover up and going this fall---- gee---too much to do--LOL-- Stan Pleasanton, Tx only thing going now is my old 5hp Economy----LOL----got about 6 others to get out of moth-balls after moving! From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:01:56 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:01:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <666e3.d5c95e9.39934274@aol.com> Actually I did use 15-40 det oil----(for a bunch of years at my other old place)----had no trouble at all--- Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:15:47 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:15:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> Message-ID: <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a > difference given the number of years I have left. No! Use the good oil NOW. I don't want to have to re-ring the Galloway after I buy it from your widow. Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:23:00 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:23:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <678c0.1ec2fc93.39934764@aol.com> OH MY LORD! ha Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:27:15 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <69223FC5-407E-4D5D-BE46-5546F9EF4AC4@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Mark Kennedy wrote: > What's this - you have gals at rallies? > > Do you need special permits or permission for this? > > :) > > Mark Mark, Here in the United States, men like having women at rallies. In fact we consider them almost as fun to watch as we do engines. If Aussies like watching men and engines, that's ok, too. It doesn't make you bad people. In fact, I have some very good friends who are Aussies. From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:41:09 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:41:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:22 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Two drops per minute per HP was the general recomendation. That, of > course, is if the engine is working. I, typically, set the Galloway > for around 4 to 5 drops per minute. > Dave Hey, Dave. I used to know this very smart bloke. John was his name. He knew more about oil than I'll ever know. You could drive around with him and he would be able to tell you the geological features below ground, if there was oil present, and at what depth. Sadly, John never saw his 21st birthday. Anyway, one early morning, I was wandering about the showgrounds, and John was tinkering with his engine. He called me over and told me how he liked to use way oil on all his engines. He had me wipe some oil onto my finger from the running engine. I did, and he explained that the milkiness was from condensation, but that it would go away as soon as the engine warmed up. He had me feel the stickiness of the oil, and noted how it was unlike modern motor oil, which didn't seem to stick to exposed metal surfaces. John was almost reverent in his observation of the oil. The man truly loved petroleum, it was in his veins. Since that day, I began using way oil on the engines. I usually have plenty on hand for the machine tools, so it's not inconvenient to use. Perhaps it's more expensive than Brand X Motor Oil, but the way oil makes me happy, and sometimes when I use it, I think of my friend, John. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 18:32:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:32:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mark, On Tue, August 10, 2010 7:46 pm, Mark Kennedy wrote: > What's this - you have gals at rallies? YEP, hotties too. > Do you need special permits or permission for this? Nope. And we don't even protect 'em from the engine blokes behind fences. See ya, Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 18:27:50 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:27:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Has she advertised that damn engine already? Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a >> difference given the number of years I have left. > > No! Use the good oil NOW. I don't want to have to re-ring the > Galloway after I buy it from your widow. > > Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 18:36:45 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:36:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <77d70.718f01f0.399358ad@aol.com> HEY DAVE------ I feel for ya'---LOL--- I'm in the same ol' boat----ha! Stan Z From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 19:01:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:01:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Message-ID: John was a VERY wise man!! I'll never forget the toast he offered at dinner one evening.... "Here's to our wives and to our lovers." "May they never meet." On Tue, August 10, 2010 8:41 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > I used to know this very smart bloke. John was his name. He knew > more about oil than I'll ever know. > You could drive around with him and he would be able to tell you the > geological features below ground, if there was oil present, and at > what depth. Sadly, John never saw his 21st birthday. > > Anyway, one early morning, I was wandering about the showgrounds, and > John was tinkering with his engine. He called me over and told me how > he liked to use way oil on all his engines. He had me wipe some oil > onto my finger from the running engine. I did, and he explained that > the milkiness was from condensation, but that it would go away as soon > as the engine warmed up. He had me feel the stickiness of the oil, > and noted how it was unlike modern motor oil, which didn't seem to > stick to exposed metal surfaces. > > John was almost reverent in his observation of the oil. The man truly > loved petroleum, it was in his veins. > > Since that day, I began using way oil on the engines. I usually have > plenty on hand for the machine tools, so it's not inconvenient to > use. Perhaps it's more expensive than Brand X Motor Oil, but the way > oil makes me happy, and sometimes when I use it, I think of my friend, > John. From don.h at wcoil.com Tue Aug 10 18:56:34 2010 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:56:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop><6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> Message-ID: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> what has happen to John Culp Don in Ohio From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 19:19:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop><6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> Message-ID: <796746633f0c100a977600cc4118f239.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I think he mainly plays on Facebook these days. On Tue, August 10, 2010 9:56 pm, Don Heringhaus wrote: > what has happen to John Culp > Don in Ohio From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Aug 10 20:42:02 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:42:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 20:47:57 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:47:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810204559.03d03920@pop.att.yahoo.com> Don, I don't know what he has been up to lately but he did post a message on Jim's list (oldengine.org) a little more than a week ago. Larry At 06:56 PM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >what has happen to John Culp >Don in Ohio >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From gop4evr at lsol.net Tue Aug 10 22:40:44 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:40:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC1 0DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au><1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4C6237DC.2070305@lsol.net> I remember that. The most remarkable thing was that all thw while she was preeining in front of the camera, there was some real work being done just a few yards away with a 12 hp Herc belted to a stubborn 7 hp Herc. Seemed to me that was an appropriate photo opportunity. I think that was the year the train derailed just down the road from the show too. Nels Manitowoc WI On 8/10/10 10:42 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg > > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldironnut at windstream.net Wed Aug 11 05:27:39 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:27:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg Lincoln and I arrived to the show grounds just after she adorned you Herc. That was his first show and he still goes to a show looking for Info Babes! Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 11 09:55:31 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:55:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith, Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 11:42 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg From oldironnut at windstream.net Wed Aug 11 10:05:26 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:05:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Keith, > > Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? > Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." > 8-)) So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! Mike > On Tue, August 10, 2010 11:42 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: >> Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) >> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 11 10:21:58 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:21:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: "Have you tested the 15-40 syn against 10-40 detergent? At what speed did you test the difference? Over a period of how many years? Dave PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a difference given the number of years I have left." Bought a new water heater. Guy asked if I wanted six year, nine year, or 12 year warranty. Hell, it doesn't matter. They're all a lifetime warranty to me. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 11 10:35:27 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:35:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <947c0.1de9f548.3994395f@aol.com> AMEN on the water heater warranty-----LOL Stan From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 11 11:10:25 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:10:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> Message-ID: <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! I KNEW he was precocious!! On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: > On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >> 8-)) > > So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! > > Mike From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 11 12:12:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6006FE2F-0913-4408-8EE9-9ACE51C8792D@me.com> OK, but why is the fluff chick even included in this subject/thread? Granted I have not seen her in a long time, but to the best of my memory she needed no lubrication. Dave On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > ROFLMAO!!! I KNEW he was precocious!! > > On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >>> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >>> 8-)) >> >> So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! >> >> Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 16:06:26 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <6006FE2F-0913-4408-8EE9-9ACE51C8792D@me.com> Message-ID: <643770.86247.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Really now, Dave. I am sure you know what OT means. In this case it means the subject is leaving the lubrication topic. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 8/11/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 3:12 PM OK, but why is the fluff chick even included in this subject/thread?? Granted I have not seen her in a long time, but to the best of my? memory she needed no lubrication. ??? Dave On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > ROFLMAO!!!? I KNEW he was precocious!! > > On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >>> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >>> 8-)) >> >> So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! >> >> Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Aug 13 15:48:53 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:48:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rental cars from ORD Chicago info wanted. Message-ID: Hi guys I am going through the maze of rental cars from ORD, Chicago airport, anyone out there that can lead me in the right direction. I am just trying to get around their insurances RIP OFF. My travel insurance has a $3000 motor vehicle excess. I remember watching a show here in Oz, "Current Affair" I think it was, where they said that even though you insure these rental cars it is worth basically nothing with all the loop holes. Contact me OFF LIST at plowe at exemail.com.au if you can actually help with advise. I am going from Chicago ORD and back to Chicago ORD Airport. Some of the companies listed at ORD are: AVIS HERTZ ALAMO ENTERPRISE DOLLAR THRIFTY BUDGET NATIONAL Regards Peter, Oz From yostsw at atis.net Fri Aug 13 16:21:18 2010 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:21:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... Message-ID: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the skids are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine onto the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it running by the end of the week. I am missing several things for the engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone with oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, propane stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing to sell, bring it on to Portland! Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I should somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am not sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could not use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. The steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking is screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is this really necessary? I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. As for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it on in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or moved. Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be much appreciated! Take care, Spencer Yost From rotigel at me.com Fri Aug 13 18:57:59 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:57:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <5FA3FB5C-A751-4F75-95D1-9DCEC76759B0@me.com> On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine > during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine > will > finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the > skids > are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine > onto > the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will > happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and > skids here: > > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 VER nice Steve! > > > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it > running by the end of the week. We will be setting up the ATIS engine area on Friday ("We" meand Bob Matthews) > I am missing several things for the > engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone > with > oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, > propane > stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing > to sell, bring it on to Portland! What kind of gasket material do you need? Head? Water? How big? > > > Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the > engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I > should > somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am > not > sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could > not > use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since > those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. > The > steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to > bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking > is > screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom > skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" > bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So > that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the > bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the > engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really > hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is > this > really necessary? Yes to the first question, no to the second! > I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good > for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. If you get in a serious accident with a #10,000 gvw trailer the 6 bolts will be the least of your problems! > As > for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it > on > in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or > moved. > > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! If this will be a dedicated trailer then bolt it down. If not then don't bother. Two straps over the skid will be more than enough when it's running. Bring blocking in order to get the trailer up off it's wheels while running. I take for granted that you will be at the ATIS dinner on Thursday! > > > > Take care, > > Spencer Yost Dave From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sat Aug 14 03:06:24 2010 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:06:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: where is the engine, why have a trailer when the engine is only a mounting frame Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will > finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the skids > are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine onto > the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will > happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids > here: > > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 > > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it > running by the end of the week. I am missing several things for the > engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone with > oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, propane > stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing > to sell, bring it on to Portland! > > Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the > engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I should > somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am not > sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could not > use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since > those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. The > steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to > bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking is > screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom > skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" > bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So > that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the > bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the > engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really > hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is this > really necessary? I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good > for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. As > for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it on > in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or > moved. > > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! > > > Take care, > > Spencer Yost > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 14 09:31:34 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:31:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Spencer WHO? Anyone know this guy? On Fri, August 13, 2010 7:21 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will > finally be at Portland this year. From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Aug 14 09:26:31 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:26:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this > year. Wow, Spencer. That's exciting. I wish Kelley and I were going to be there to see her debut. > Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 Nice! > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition Fun idea. > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! The feng shui is maximized when the engine is on the ground. Getting the engine on the ground is serious business that is best considered before you begin. I would use 2" pipes for rollers, and plenty of 'em. Trailer ramps must be stout. If you can unload onto asphalt, you're golden. If you're going to set up on dirt, especially in the Portland Mud Bog, bring 2x10s onto which you can roll the engine. Pipes generally don't roll well over dry dirt. In and out is controlled with a winch mounted at the front of your trailer. You can use a come-a-long, but that gets old. Use a GOOD come-a-long. Two can be nice to have. Up and down is controlled with a mechanical toe jack. Two can be nice to have. I build skids with the toe jack in mind. I've seen original skids such as yours that have a cross member near each end, off the ground a ways. Those are nice places to lift from. A 5' or 6' pry bar is also handy. An assortment of short blocks is also handy. It would be nice to have someone experienced in moving heavy stuff show you their method for your first time. Whatever you do, use only one or two trustworthy helpers-NO MORE. You don't need a bunch of "experts" buzzing around and turning a serious project into a dangerous project. Hints: There will be two points that might come as a surprise. One, is when the center of gravity rolls over the apex of the trailer/ ramps. The engine will begin to tip from level to a nose-down attitude. At this point, you'll want one roller near the apex, and the engine can pivot on that roller. That's why you need a straight pull on your winch, to keep it from turning all cattywampus. Go slow, keep it under control. The second surprise is when the engine reaches the bottom of the ramps and digs right into the ground. If you've placed your rollers properly, you might avoid this. Otherwise, just jack it up a little and stick another roller under there. Be careful, as you're now beneath the load. Go slow, keep it under control. Principles: With 2" pipes, you're never more than 2.5" off the ground. The higher off the ground you are, the more precarious you become. Keep it low. For your first time, keep four pipes under the engine. It adds stability. Prime directive: Captain Kirk had a Prime Directive. You have two: 1. Don't hurt anyone. 2. Don't hurt your engine. Have fun with your new toy. I'm looking forward to the pictures and the video of her running. Rob From rotigel at me.com Sat Aug 14 14:38:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Your advice is sage Rob, except that showing Spencer's Ball on the trailer will make it look even BIGGER! Additionally, you could cure the problem of not being at Portland easily! If YOU are too busy to attend Portland why not just buy Kelley a plane ticket to Baraboo and Arnie and I will do the rest! Dave PS, We will send Kelley back to KA right after the Portland show! On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this >> year. > > Wow, Spencer. That's exciting. I wish Kelley and I were going to be > there to see her debut. > > >> Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: >> http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 > > Nice! > > >> The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the >> week at Portland getting it in running condition > > Fun idea. > > >> Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would >> be >> much appreciated! > > The feng shui is maximized when the engine is on the ground. > > Getting the engine on the ground is serious business that is best > considered before you begin. I would use 2" pipes for rollers, and > plenty of 'em. Trailer ramps must be stout. > > If you can unload onto asphalt, you're golden. If you're going to set > up on dirt, especially in the Portland Mud Bog, bring 2x10s onto which > you can roll the engine. Pipes generally don't roll well over dry > dirt. > > In and out is controlled with a winch mounted at the front of your > trailer. You can use a come-a-long, but that gets old. Use a GOOD > come-a-long. Two can be nice to have. > > Up and down is controlled with a mechanical toe jack. Two can be nice > to have. I build skids with the toe jack in mind. I've seen original > skids such as yours that have a cross member near each end, off the > ground a ways. Those are nice places to lift from. > > A 5' or 6' pry bar is also handy. An assortment of short blocks is > also handy. > > It would be nice to have someone experienced in moving heavy stuff > show you their method for your first time. Whatever you do, use only > one or two trustworthy helpers-NO MORE. You don't need a bunch of > "experts" buzzing around and turning a serious project into a > dangerous project. > > Hints: > > There will be two points that might come as a surprise. > > One, is when the center of gravity rolls over the apex of the trailer/ > ramps. The engine will begin to tip from level to a nose-down > attitude. At this point, you'll want one roller near the apex, and > the engine can pivot on that roller. That's why you need a straight > pull on your winch, to keep it from turning all cattywampus. Go slow, > keep it under control. > > The second surprise is when the engine reaches the bottom of the ramps > and digs right into the ground. If you've placed your rollers > properly, you might avoid this. Otherwise, just jack it up a little > and stick another roller under there. Be careful, as you're now > beneath the load. Go slow, keep it under control. > > Principles: > > With 2" pipes, you're never more than 2.5" off the ground. The higher > off the ground you are, the more precarious you become. Keep it low. > > For your first time, keep four pipes under the engine. It adds > stability. > > Prime directive: > > Captain Kirk had a Prime Directive. You have two: > > 1. Don't hurt anyone. > 2. Don't hurt your engine. > > Have fun with your new toy. I'm looking forward to the pictures and > the video of her running. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Aug 14 15:13:37 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:13:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload notification References: Message-ID: <0ABAD643-9803-40E6-A6C2-1833FF3472DB@me.com> Spencer--Look At This! Begin forwarded message: > From: classifieds at oldengine.net > Date: August 14, 2010 5:55:45 PM EDT > To: rotigel at me.com > Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload > notification > > welkriz has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to. > > Title: For Sale 25 hp BALL ENGINE > Location: Hartford city, IN USA > > Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below. > > Description: 25 HP BALL ENGINE needs finished Have had running. Lost > vacation time so no time to do shows with this big engine. All dirty > work is done, its was primed and has one coat of paint on it. need > plumbing finished and head gasket, two clutches go and extra head, > mag you get it all. I am 20 miles west of Portland In just off hiway > 26 easy trip from Tri State show. Home in evenings after 4pm if you > want to look at it give me a call 765-729-0408 leave message if I > dont pick up (work thing) stored inside can store for few months if > paid for come look lets talk > > Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=40202 > > See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php > > To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following > link: > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=5 > > The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team > http://www.enginads.com From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat Aug 14 17:28:28 2010 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:28:28 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1309.218.214.134.238.1281832108.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> You know... I was going to say that... but decided not too. Thanks Arnie :) Seriously good to see you'll be at Portland with your best. Sorry I can't be there to see it. Paul > Spencer WHO? Anyone know this guy? > > On Fri, August 13, 2010 7:21 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: >> OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a >> great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years >> since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will >> finally be at Portland this year. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Aug 14 17:51:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:51:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <9DB65A69-DE8C-4091-BCD6-22639F5DB40A@rustyiron.com> On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Your advice is sage Rob, except that showing Spencer's Ball on the > trailer will make it look even BIGGER! Rumor has it that Spencer doesn't need smoke and mirrors to give the illusion of ample size. Besides, when he buys that 20 hp Ball that's for sale just a few miles from Portland, the spectators will REALLY be able to marvel over Spencer's Balls. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Aug 14 19:17:27 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:17:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian Sugar planters magazine. http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology involved with the gasoline engine. Here's a link to the patent. http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Aug 14 19:56:40 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:56:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader Message-ID: <20100814.195733.953.297396@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> Totally cool J.B. Can't wait to see it assembled. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Online Auction Tricks EXPOSED Reporter Uncovers Shocking Online Auction Tricks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c6757c7cb06778d8efst01vuc From yostsw at atis.net Sun Aug 15 02:20:27 2010 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:20:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Misc Portland Stuff In-Reply-To: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> First a quick question: I want to put some oil in the cylinder before I head down the road so the road trip can work some oil around. Can I just add via the spring loaded intake baffle?? About a half a cup? >Happy to see on the list......haven't seen you on here for some >time........I agree with the guy who said take it easy !! > I'm around and rumors of my death are premature. Just "life stuff" keeps me from having any free time whatsoever. The folks at Portland will hear the story around the Dotson fire ring I'm sure. > Question: do you have any more brass key chains? As for the key chains and money clips - I'll bring what I have to Portland and save you some but I have very little left. In fact, if memory serves, I think I may be out of key chains and only have money clips. I haven't dug them out of the attic yet so I am not sure. >Spencer--Look At This! >> welkriz has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to. >> >> Title: For Sale 25 hp BALL ENGINE Yikes! For $4500 I'll sell him mine (-: Would be cool to take a side trip maybe though..... His is a "new" engine, as he has a mag. These new fangled engine that show up at these shows - sheesh! >What kind of gasket material do you need? Head? Water? How big? You sent me some gasket material; exhaust I think. I plan to not have to open up the head, so just water material. I also need a chimney. Not sure of the original size here, but the base looks real similar in size to the Bessemers of similar HP. The hot tube itself was OK I think we decided. I will be at the dinner! Spencer From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 03:18:05 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:18:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Misc Portland Stuff In-Reply-To: <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> References: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> Message-ID: On 15 August 2010 10:20, Spencer Yost wrote: > I'm around and rumors of my death are premature. ? Just "life stuff" keeps me from having any free time whatsoever. It will be good to see you again, we missed last year too. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 03:54:36 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:54:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rental cars from ORD Chicago info wanted. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100815105427.0AD843B4908@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Hi Peter, we used dollar; had no troubles. regards Russell At 08:48 AM 14/08/2010, you wrote: >Hi guys >I am going through the maze of rental cars from ORD, Chicago >airport, anyone out there that can lead me in the right direction. >I am just trying to get around their insurances RIP OFF. My travel >insurance has a $3000 motor vehicle excess. >I remember watching a show here in Oz, "Current Affair" I think it >was, where they said that even though you insure these rental cars >it is worth basically nothing with all the loop holes. >Contact me OFF LIST at plowe at exemail.com.au if you can actually help >with advise. >I am going from Chicago ORD and back to Chicago ORD Airport. > >Some of the companies listed at ORD are: >AVIS >HERTZ >ALAMO >ENTERPRISE >DOLLAR >THRIFTY >BUDGET >NATIONAL > > >Regards >Peter, Oz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 15 06:03:48 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:03:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader Message-ID: <2d6f1.5d3c9295.39993fb4@aol.com> That is really great to have that family history and now a real one to boot! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 15 06:15:15 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:15:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: Nice! 250 TONS is a lot of cane. On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:17 PM, wrote: > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's > disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All > of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the > Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My > grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, > patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian > Sugar planters magazine. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v > =onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false > > Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos > and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering > two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline > engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a > man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took > two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology > involved with the gasoline engine. > Here's a link to the patent. > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos > > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 15 09:00:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:00:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: GREAT find JB! Dave On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:17 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's > disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All > of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the > Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My > grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, > patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian > Sugar planters magazine. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v > =onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false > > Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos > and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering > two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline > engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a > man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took > two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology > involved with the gasoline engine. > Here's a link to the patent. > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos > > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Aug 15 17:12:40 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:12:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover Message-ID: <58C64808E40340948DB6BF29E8941AC5@billPC> spent the weekend at the annual show at hope, arkansas and had good luck with the stovers 1st outing,,, ran it most of the day thurs, fri, and sat,,,,, with no cooling system yet, we just hooked the water hoses up to it and let it discharge into the creek. i'm thinking a screen cooler would look best and was wondering if there is any rule of thumb regarding screen surface area in relation to engine size,?,, since its a throttler, its gets plenty hot,, and i;m guessing a circulating pump is required,,? does anyone one know of blueprints or plans available for a screen cooler? any thoughts or other ideas on cooling will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 15 21:00:36 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:00:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: Oh JB, that is so neat! You've gotta be really happy and excited. I can't wait to see it restored and running. See ya, Arnie On Sat, August 14, 2010 10:17 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's disassembled and needs a > lot of work, but it's almost complete. All of the framework is there, it has the > draw works and the grab, the Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to > find. My grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, patented > in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian Sugar planters magazine. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 16 05:20:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:20:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Solex 26 FH Carby Manual Wanted Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Does anyone know where I might find a copy of a manual for a Solex 26 FH carby? It's fitted to a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine that's circa 1937. I did find this one on the web... http://www.australian-ariel-register.com/documents/Solex_Carburettor_Handbook.pdf And this pair of images... http://www.stationaryenginesscotland.co.uk/FowlerPages/solexfh.htm Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 07:01:28 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:01:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <4309C6B063E24D6A9C3E344D72EFA895@kgwASUSi7> References: <4309C6B063E24D6A9C3E344D72EFA895@kgwASUSi7> Message-ID: On 16 August 2010 14:06, GWaugh wrote: > Hello, All... > > Am just wondering if anyone has a spare bed/motel reservation that they > would want to share costs on---I'm getting too old for the tent business!!! > > TIA, > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA Gene: If you don't mind the drive, you can usually get in at the Super8 at Muncie, that's where we always stay when at Portland. (Rita likes the shopping malls!) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 16 08:53:53 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:53:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his stuff on a webpage so here it is. This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 09:37:11 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:37:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Nice collection, Jerry! I didn't know that some of the big Ruston & Hornsby flywheel Diesels were made as late as 1965, BTW, I recently saw an engine based on that design that is only about five years old, made in Pakistan! I know nothing else about it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:54 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 16 09:43:27 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:43:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <66BB656649304520AD17B363248248EA@morpheus> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: New webpage added. Hi all, One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his stuff on a webpage so here it is. This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Hi Jerry, I spotted that Diamant Danish mill on the site and wondered if this poster I own was of interest? I have posted it on http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2504870950028520097kSJWrQ Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 16 09:49:11 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: <301590EB-03CE-4E87-9534-ECCD086B415D@windstream.net> > On Sat, August 14, 2010 10:17 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> >> A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. That's so cool!!! That should be a GREAT project!!! ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Aug 16 10:53:35 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:53:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Hotel Room Available In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <2AEA1F53-2444-4C2F-9C78-78617669E11D@herculesengines.com> I have a room reserved at the Portland, Holiday Inn Express that I won't be using. It is currently reserved for 8/23-8/29 but I'm sure the dates could be modified. I think the room rate is $145 per night. If anyone needs it please let me know and we'll get the reservation moved into your name. Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 16 12:30:29 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1A93F7DA-98E9-4200-8ABD-AA28B2D25C5F@me.com> Never mind all the stupid ass (that's a technical term!) old iron. What can you tell me about this Luann chick? Dave PS, NICE collection! On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his > stuff on a webpage so here it is. > > This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 16 16:24:58 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:24:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spencer..... Message-ID: ....this is for you! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=40296 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 17 09:56:29 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:56:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 77, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100817183903.024f8b28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:37:11 -0400 >From: "Elden" >Subject: Re: [SEL] New webpage added. > > >Nice collection, Jerry! > >I didn't know that some of the big Ruston & Hornsby flywheel >Diesels were made as late as 1965, > >BTW, I recently saw an engine based on that design that is only >about five years old, made in Pakistan! I know nothing else >about it. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden, Yes, they were made quite recently but still beautiful machines. The one in question was a "College Engine" - supplied to a local "Technical College" to teach "appies" all about how diesel engines work. As with the Ruston recently restored by Peter Forbes it also has all sorts of "extra's" that Neville is trying to get hold of. (Do not ask me what they are but they draw graphs and suchlike to show H.P., torque, R.P.M's. etc. under different running conditions). I just enjoy them running :-) The engine had hardly done any work when he got it (complete) - just demo stuff for students - maybe had a few nuts loosened here and there and re tightened. Then the "guvmunt" decided it was obsolete and it ended up with Neville. Great deal for a collector. The vertical steam engine on the same page came from the same source and at the same time. Not too sure about Pakistan but I do know that the big Rustons were made in India (under the Ruston name) until quite recently. I'm sure that Peter Forbes could supply more info there. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 17 10:02:30 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:02:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100817185750.0252b9c8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:30:29 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] New webpage added. >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Never mind all the stupid ass (that's a technical term!) old iron. >What can you tell me about this Luann chick? > Dave >PS, NICE collection! Dave, Dave, Dave, That's my mates wife !!! Yes, she is a stunner. I'll reply "Off List" :-) Jerry From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 17 22:08:23 2010 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:08:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 18 03:11:51 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey Bill & Peg, Where have you been? Yes, the same old rusty group will be there again this year. I am actually going up today to mark off our spot. Again I will make reservations at Quintins Resturant for Saturday Banquet Dinner. See ya there! Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:08:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Aug 18 08:13:01 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:13:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> Deb and I will be there Friday early afternoon. This is our first time at Baraboo and really looking forward to it. Keith On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:08 AM, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Aug 18 09:17:35 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:17:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> References: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20100818161731.A890B9482@smtp.wcoil.com> I've been to Baraboo swap a couple times and loved it. Some day I may get to the show. Envious of those of you who get to go. Mark At 11:13 AM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >Deb and I will be there Friday early afternoon. This is our first >time at Baraboo and really looking forward to it. >Keith > > >On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:08 AM, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > > > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by > early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it > 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >kkinney at herculesengines.com >WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From grookus2 at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 12:46:59 2010 From: grookus2 at comcast.net (grookus2 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1873982049.26543.1282160819779.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> we are leaveing town thurs. hope to see all at baraboo garyrookus ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:08:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? ? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. ?We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. ? Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. ? Bill & Peg Pfeiffer ? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ????????????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 18 13:14:46 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:14:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels (it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years previously.) Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never got around to actually "completing his restoration". One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to show him in his "working clothes". Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. See and page down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August 2010" All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. Update 18th August 2010. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 18 13:30:38 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: It looks nice! Kind of a cross between nicely painted-up and left in it's work clothes. Don't change a thing! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:15 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 15:48:34 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:48:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > We are 'there' already..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 18 17:16:59 2010 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:16:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? References: Message-ID: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Peter, This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Skip Cleveland Hello Skip, I believe there is a wooden table saw on our show grounds that arrived in the last year. It looks like a piece of furniture. A photo would confirm. Please send a photo and I will let you know. Regards, Robert R. Coates President Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Cleveland [mailto:skipcleveland at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:31 AM To: l.coates at charter.net Subject: From the Club Website I sold an old wooden table saw to a fellow on e-bay last year and he indicated that it might be displayed at your facility. I am wondering if it ever made it there. I could ask him but I have to go back through my records and it would be a nice surprise to see a picture of it at your place. I could send a picture if it would help. Thanks. Skip Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> >> Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? >> > > We are 'there' already..... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From george at irontrader.com Wed Aug 18 19:51:29 2010 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try the video feature on my digital camera. George From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 20:57:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:57:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: Nice engine. Big American throttlers are always nice to hear running :) On 19/8/10 12:51 PM, "George Best" wrote: > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 21:11:04 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <237140.52866.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A really nice table saw was donated a year or so ago by a fellow named Richard Thomas, from Rochelle, IL. Known as "Stretch" because he stands about 6 foot 13 inches, he has been a long time member and is a real swell guy to visit with. I believe he acquired the saw via eBay. It is always a treat to have the chance to meet up with so many of the list members at Baraboo. I think that we are just going to be bringing a couple of tractors this year, working on engines at home for the Mount Pleasant show. See yoo in Baraboo! Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote: From: SKIP CLEVELAND Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 7:16 PM Peter, This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Skip Cleveland Hello Skip, I believe there is a wooden table saw on our show grounds that arrived in the last year.? It looks like a piece of furniture.? A photo would confirm. Please send a photo and I will let you know. Regards, Robert R. Coates President Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Cleveland [mailto:skipcleveland at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:31 AM To: l.coates at charter.net Subject: From the Club Website I sold an old wooden table saw to a fellow on e-bay last year and he indicated that it might be displayed at your facility. I am wondering if it ever made it there. I could ask him but I have to go back through my records and it would be a nice surprise to see a picture of it at your place. I could send a picture if it would help. Thanks. Skip Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> >> Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? >> > > We are 'there' already..... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Aug 19 02:23:26 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:23:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original rust or paint. Dave Merchant At 04:14 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", > > It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business >wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've >managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the >important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. > > You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a >good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels >(it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years >previously.) > > Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few >shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never >got around to actually "completing his restoration". > > One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make >up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have >done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to >show him in his "working clothes". > > Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. > > I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm >NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. > >See and page >down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August >2010" > >All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. > > >Update 18th August 2010. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 04:09:24 2010 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <946617.68469.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I got here late Wed afternoon.? Setup not too far from the SEL area with my big red trailer full of F&J engines.? NICK From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 19 04:47:48 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:47:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: Great looking engine and a great runner, George! Really cool optical illusion in your video... because of the video camera capture rate, it looks like the flywheels are rotating counterclockwise while the crankshaft is rotating clockwise! Mike On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:51 PM, George Best wrote: > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 04:58:30 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:58:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: On 19 August 2010 01:16, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote: > Peter, > > This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver > metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. > > Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Thanks, Skip, Bob and I exchanged emails before we flew over, and I'll check that saw out over the next day or so. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 05:07:25 2010 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:07:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I think it looks good but I don't usually use the blacking,just 50/50 boiled and white spirit. John > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:14:46 +0200 > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. > > Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", > > It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business > wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've > managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the > important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. > > You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a > good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels > (it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years > previously.) > > Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few > shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never > got around to actually "completing his restoration". > > One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make > up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have > done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to > show him in his "working clothes". > > Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. > > I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm > NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. > > See and page > down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August > 2010" > > All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. > > > Update 18th August 2010. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 05:23:50 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:23:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> References: , <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB>, <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: lookin good George > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:29 -0700 > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 06:44:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:44:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: George: I enjoyed the video but wonder if the engine would run even better if the exhaust weren't reduced so much for the muffler. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of George Best > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled > Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good > and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Thu Aug 19 11:04:15 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:04:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45910B18@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, I've thought about putting a vertical stack on the engine. Main problem around here is find pipe elbow and pipe of the correct size. Get anything larger than normal house plumbing and the big box stores don't carry it. The current exhaust is necked down to fit the muffler. If I get a vertical stack on, I'll post another video for comparison. george -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 18hp Stover video George: I enjoyed the video but wonder if the engine would run even better if the exhaust weren't reduced so much for the muffler. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of George Best > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled > Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good > and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 19 12:19:29 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:19:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 19/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:23:26 -0400 >From: Dave Merchant >Subject: Re: [SEL] Linseed oil question. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270 at ncweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! > >The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original >rust or paint. > >Dave Merchant Hi Dave, Elden and others who replied, Thanks for your positive comments - I've got it standing in the sun near my office door and it grows on me each day so I'm not totally unhappy :-) One thing that I forgot to mention in my original post was my reason for using the black stove polish. When I got this engine it's flywheels were missing (probably went to the scrappie) and being the only one known to exist in South Africa at the time (another has since surfaced) I knew that I stood no chance of finding another set of original flywheels so I fitted the Lister flywheels (they look better than the originals anyway). The engine had no paint left on it but the flywheels still had a lot of green as well as some grey primer showing (I don't think that Lister ever used grey primer) and the stove polish was an attempt at getting the engine to look the same all over (which it now does). All for now, thanks again for the replies. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 19 14:54:30 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:54:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. In-Reply-To: References: <861534.39379.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819223749.01f12f38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi the lists, Following on my recent post I feel that another explanation/thread is in order. (Be warned, this may be a bit long winded) :-) Pease allow me to explain a few things and do not think me "big headed" for this. I'm a relative "newbie" to this great hobby (only been here since about 2004 or thereabouts) but I do tend to go "all the way" with whatever I do. One of the first things I did when getting involved was to start my webpage: (and, as always, thanks to Jim for making this possible). Just because I had a webpage did not mean that I was an experienced old engine restorer or an "expert" (which I'm NOT) - it just meant that I knew how to write a webpage. Because it was, at that time, the only webpage for old engine collectors from South Africa a lot of local collectors, especially newbies like myself, found it (Google is your friend) and read it. The first engine that I restored was a very common Wolseley WD9 and I really "went to town" on this one. I spent many hours grinding and "slicking" the cast iron and eventually ended up with an engine that probably made old man "Frederick York Wolseley" turn in his grave! It was painted a metallic charcoal (some 2K paint that was left over from a previous signwriting job) and all fittings (pipes and pipe connectors) were made from stainless steel and highly polished. It looked great and still regularly goes to shows and is well received but I would never do this to a rare or collectible engine like the Wolseley "R" type. But (and I again ask that you do not think me "big headed") local guys started to see my page and thought the those were the standards that they had to work to (or compete with). The result has been some totally ridiculously painted engines (a Petter "M" "Appletop" painted Maroon, Burgundy, Yellow and Brown for example). The finish I put onto my Wolsely "R type" is completely reversible (albeit with some "elbow grease") but a sandblasted and slicked engine's finish is NOT reversible. I finished this Wolseley this way because I'm hoping that some South African collectors will follow my example and stop with their ridiculous finishes and try to be more original. That's it for now I'm off to bed !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 15:17:44 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:17:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We went over this morning, probably a bit early for any SEL folks to be there, but saw the roped-off area in the trees ready for the list guys. Met up with Robert Coates, have joined the club as a life member, spent a hot morning and early afternoon wandering round and snapping lots of pic's. Will be over again tomorrow. Arnie and Dave reckon they'll be there around 7pm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Aug 19 19:00:01 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:00:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <56ac3d01fb551aff8cc6111fbfbdfe70.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, I've gotta agree with Dave on this one. She looks GREAT!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, August 19, 2010 5:23 am, Dave Merchant wrote: > Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! > > The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original > rust or paint. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 04:14 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >> Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. >> >> I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm >>NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. >> >>See and page >>down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August >>2010" From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 19:30:05 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:30:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45910B18@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I am running an original style Stover muffler on my 6hp vertical. The larger verticals and the horizontals used this type: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05121303.JPG I would guess that the larger horsepower engines used a much bigger casting. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 19:39:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:39:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Cooper xc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone can help with dating info on a Cooper XC please contact Arnie direct at the address below. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html ------ Forwarded Message From: arnold Laird To: Subject: Cooper xc Hi Patrick, ???????????????? Arnold Laird [Arnie] From Hawkes Bay NZ with a request for info. ???? I have just aquired a COOPER XC with engine # 473665 and would like to know the year of manufacture or anything else about it.Can you steer me in the right direction??? ????? I have 5 NORMAN twins restored and spend time at local shows and events. ?? Thank you and regards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Arnie ------ End of Forwarded Message From swilliams268 at frontier.com Thu Aug 19 20:33:43 2010 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:33:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New E-Mail Address Message-ID: <4C6DF797.20607@frontier.com> For anyone interested we finally moved into high speed land. So far it's fun. Trying to remember all of the folks who send mail is a PIA though. I've only had the old address for 20 years!!!! swilliams268 @ frontier.com remove spaces please. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 05:07:51 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:07:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures Message-ID: First page is up on the uK server, I'll get it over to Oldengine.,org later this morning. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 20 05:54:51 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:54:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter..great pix's!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Listerdiesel To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Stationary-Engine Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures First page is up on the uK server, I'll get it over to Oldengine.,org later this morning. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 05:52:01 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) Message-ID: Now on Oldengine.org: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm There is NO main page icon yet, will do that later. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 17:43:29 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:43:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come and be a part of the fun. Tommy Turner From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Aug 20 17:58:05 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:58:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> I am coming over from Australia Tommy, looking forward to meeting you. Will be at the dinner also. Peter, Oz > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 18:09:53 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:09:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> Great Peter. I hope we have several of our buddies from across the water attend. Portland is certainly the place to see a lot of friends. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 I am coming over from Australia Tommy, looking forward to meeting you. Will be at the dinner also. Peter, Oz > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Aug 20 18:59:46 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like they got a big section. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 8:43 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Aug 20 19:32:30 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:32:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or wherever Royster's are allowed! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 20 19:51:59 2010 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:51:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon arriving for the Baraboo Show! Peg Pfeiffer > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:11:51 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > > Hey Bill & Peg, > Where have you been? Yes, the same old rusty group will be there again this year. I am actually going up today to mark off our spot. > Again I will make reservations at Quintins Resturant for Saturday Banquet Dinner. > See ya there! > Curt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:08:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 20:39:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:39:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1279AA4C05754B9196A61096C171C775@D2JYVHJ1> Tim, looks like there could be some really wet weather coming in for a few days. Keep the umbrella and waders handy. See you soon! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like they got a big section. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 8:43 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 20:54:25 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or wherever Royster's are allowed! MR From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Aug 20 22:15:48 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:15:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <20100821051544.11A379350@smtp.wcoil.com> See Ya There Tommy. Maytag Mark At 08:43 PM 8/20/2010, you wrote: > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 04:06:52 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:06:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> References: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: On 21 August 2010 02:09, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Great Peter. ?I hope we have several of our buddies from across the > water attend. ?Portland is certainly the place to see a lot of friends. > > Tommy We are at Baraboo with the regular gang, all are coming down to Portland afterwards. Reggie is also here. Big storm last evening. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 04:41:11 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:41:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: Message-ID: <001601cb4125$c10c3830$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Courtesy and convenience, I like that! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a > space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near > Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Aug 21 05:22:33 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <30211177.1282393353750.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mike, I sense a bit of aggression towards you in that last post. Could it be that you've taken too many trip to Kentucky? If you find that your really not welcome then just come over to the cabin, I have some extra room you can set up in, after all, as you said, your after mine now. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Royster >Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:41 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Courtesy and convenience, I like that! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >> Royster >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >> Tommy or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Aug 21 06:46:23 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:46:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp>, Message-ID: Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a > space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near > Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 11:11:29 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:11:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <30211177.1282393353750.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901cb415c$470ca9c0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> So true Tim. I think the evil Royster has pushed our limits. Plus like I always say, what's yours is mine! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, I sense a bit of aggression towards you in that last post. Could it > be that you've taken too many trip to Kentucky? If you find that your > really not welcome then just come over to the cabin, I have some extra > room you can set up in, after all, as you said, your after mine now. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Mike Royster >>Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:41 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >>Courtesy and convenience, I like that! >> >>MR >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> >>> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >>> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >>> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >>> Royster >>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >>> >>> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >>> >>> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >>> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >>> space >>> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >>> Tommy or >>> wherever Royster's are allowed! >>> >>> MR >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 11:25:45 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:25:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp>, Message-ID: <003a01cb415e$4537d7d0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Glad you reminded me Steve. I always like to have some refreshing soft drinks ready for my dear friends with really nice engines. I'll make sure Tim's and Tommy's are cool and fresh, just like you taught me. PS: Is it whisky into pepsi, makes em tipsy? Or Pepsi into whisky, way to risky? You may have to show me again. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be > able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil > Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered > with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day > and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring > reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! > Steve. The good Brother! > >> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >> Royster >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >> Tommy or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 12:34:28 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:34:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819223749.01f12f38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Maybe you didn't go far enough. Obtain some dry transfer stars and other decorative thingies and apply 'em to your engine. If you make it ridiculous enough, some of your imitators just might get the message. If not, just think of the interesting engines you will see in the future. I know it's hard for you to be such a trend-setter! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:55 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. .....................snip.................... > The first engine that I restored was a very > common Wolseley WD9 > and I really "went to town" on this one. I spent many > hours grinding and > "slicking" the cast iron and eventually ended up with > an engine that > probably made old man "Frederick York Wolseley" turn > in his grave! It was > painted a metallic charcoal (some 2K paint that was > left over from a > previous signwriting job) and all fittings (pipes and > pipe connectors) were > made from stainless steel and highly polished. It > looked great and still > regularly goes to shows and is well received but I > would never do this to a > rare or collectible engine like the Wolseley "R" type. > > But (and I again ask that you do not think me > "big headed") local > guys started to see my page and thought the those were > the standards that > they had to work to (or compete with). The result has > been some totally > ridiculously painted engines (a Petter "M" "Appletop" > painted Maroon, > Burgundy, Yellow and Brown for example). From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 21 16:34:59 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:34:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <11c293af4fe0db37026dda1ba088882a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tim, Bob Matthews was the saint who did the SEL setup. I sure hope that folks who were there early pitched in and helped him!! We have a question from Reggie. Who is setting up the SEL camping area? Tom Ball needs a space to park his RV. See ya, Arnie (from Baraboo) On Fri, August 20, 2010 9:59 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that > you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like > they got a big section. > > Tim Christoff > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 21 16:40:50 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:40:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> HEAR!! HEAR!! The SEL area is PERFECT!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, August 20, 2010 10:51 pm, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon > arriving for the Baraboo Show! > > Peg Pfeiffer From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Aug 21 19:23:52 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <18792044.1282443832152.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Not sure who saved the camping area Arnie, I do know that there is a lot of empty space there right now. I will check it out tomorrow morning. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:34 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Hi Tim, > >Bob Matthews was the saint who did the SEL setup. I sure hope that folks who were >there early pitched in and helped him!! > >We have a question from Reggie. Who is setting up the SEL camping area? >Tom Ball needs a space to park his RV. > >See ya, Arnie (from Baraboo) > >On Fri, August 20, 2010 9:59 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >> Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that >> you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like >> they got a big section. >> >> Tim Christoff >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 21 20:16:08 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland this year. Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's. NO RAIN! There was some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell apart when they got to central IN. Somebody is living right in Portland! See everyone soon. Tommy Turner From gop4evr at lsol.net Sun Aug 22 03:40:34 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:40:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4C70FEA2.6040604@lsol.net> I really wanted to get down to Baraboo this weekend, but circumstances did not allow. I feel terrible that I missed my only realistic chance of checking in with you guys. We have a new government contract at work (shell casings) that has our weekends spoken for (at least while in development). And today I'm off to be a guest speaker at a church about 25 miles up the road. Long story, that. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI On 8/21/10 6:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > HEAR!! HEAR!! The SEL area is PERFECT!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, August 20, 2010 10:51 pm, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon >> arriving for the Baraboo Show! >> >> Peg Pfeiffer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:31:37 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <2e3f3.61616d83.39a272a9@aol.com> Tommy remember it's a lot easier on the eyes to keep a eye on one brother that two. Have fun at Portland and please take a lot of photo's KK In a message dated 8/21/2010 9:52:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Aug 22 06:09:00 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:09:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike Is Miles bringing his grist mill? Keith On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> >> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >> all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >> Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >> hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >> I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >> and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >> and be a part of the fun. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 22 06:30:05 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:30:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1><001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <001d01cb41fe$21e8bab0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I don't think so. I think for his first trip he is there to absorb it all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike > Is Miles bringing his grist mill? > Keith > > > On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy >> or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> >>> >>> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >>> all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >>> Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >>> hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >>> I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >>> and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >>> and be a part of the fun. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 07:13:04 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! INK." So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. Tim Christoff. PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is Steve. Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! > > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 22 07:40:32 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:40:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001cb4207$f984b7e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tim: Thanks to your connections to the seedy underworld of the Kentuckian "Boss Hawg", I am forewarned and prepared. That's why I am bringing Miles this year. Who knows what his real occupation is but he goes by Miles "the Hammer" Hamrick. Looking forward to seeing you and all my future treasures you and Tommy have assembled for me! Mike (the only good and saintly) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging > I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is > mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: > > "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick > up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is > not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve > the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an > antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the > profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, > they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone > picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! > > INK." > > > > So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping > an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. > Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > > Tim Christoff. > > PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is > Steve. > > > > Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be > able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil > Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered > with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day > and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring > reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! > Steve. The good Brother! > > >> >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> > > > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 18:41:02 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley Message-ID: <700590.1105.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, ? I had a blast at the Buckley show. I just had my 1928, H&M, ?1 3/4 HP Hercules S there running my 1890s built 2-hole Mountville Hero corn sheller. ? I invited Rick Gilder from Smokstak to set up under my canopy with his 1890s built 2-hole Henge & Dromgold corn sheller powered by his 1918 TG FBM 1 1/2 HP engine. ? Two very old shellers that look so alike but are so?different running there together was very cool. ? Between the two of us we shelled 4200 pounds of corn in three days. ? I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. ? Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM but in a much calmer manner. This was around ten years ago. ? When I first checked at the show this week it was running at 400 RPM By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had slowed down. Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. ? It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor is breaking up. What do you figure is going on? The engine and sheller are both turning very easy so it is not resistance slowing it down. I would like to hear some ideas before?I tear it apart. ? Alan in Michigan ? ? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 22 19:51:18 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> References: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <6acd12e4fe0f645318cdef37f60dfd86.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, You can thank me for the awesome weather. In England I'm known as the "Sun Bringer" and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland > this year. Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's. NO RAIN! There was > some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell > apart when they got to central IN. Somebody is living right in > Portland! See everyone soon. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 20:23:33 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <6acd12e4fe0f645318cdef37f60dfd86.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <829146.38228.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Arnie, While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is sun....... ? It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will see if any of it makes it's way into print. ? I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM Tommy, You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun Bringer" and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) See ya,? Arnie On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland > this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was > some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell > apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in > Portland!? See everyone soon. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 23 08:20:16 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <700590.1105.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: The spring sounds like a good suspect. The throttle linkage may have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine.Org List > Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > Howdy Folks, > ? ....................snip.................... > ? > I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. > ? > Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that > I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running > very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring > and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM > but in a much calmer manner. > This was around ten years ago. > ? > When I first checked at the show this week it was > running at 400 RPM > By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had > slowed down. > Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before > it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it > hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. > ? > It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor > is breaking up. ................snip.................... From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 23 08:32:16 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Royster >Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:40 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Tim: > > Thanks to your connections to the seedy underworld of the Kentuckian >"Boss Hawg", I am forewarned and prepared. That's why I am bringing Miles >this year. Who knows what his real occupation is but he goes by Miles "the >Hammer" Hamrick. Looking forward to seeing you and all my future treasures >you and Tommy have assembled for me! > >Mike (the only good and saintly) Royster > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Christoff" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:13 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging >> I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is >> mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: >> >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick >> up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is >> not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve >> the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an >> antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the >> profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, >> they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone >> picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! >> >> INK." >> >> >> >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping >> an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. >> Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. >> >> Tim Christoff. >> >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is >> Steve. >> >> >> >> Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be >> able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil >> Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered >> with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day >> and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring >> reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! >> Steve. The good Brother! >> >> >>> >>> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >>> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >>> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Tim Christoff >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 23 08:49:43 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7hp Economy saw rig In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45B5CC07@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> What's a ball park figure on the value of a 7hp Economy on a factory drop frame saw rig? Unrestored, hasn't run in many years, has Webster Tri-polar. Don't know if it is stuck or not, but looks complete in the photo I saw. Currently in a building, but don't know if was previously stored outside or not. Owner is looking for a good home for this engine. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 09:02:56 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259826.38114.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What throttle linkage? That is a model S hit-n-miss engine. 8>)) Wico EK mag and plenty compression. I have a very lazy running engine now but that is not what?I need to run my corn sheller. ? Alan --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Elden wrote: From: Elden Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:20 AM Alan: The spring sounds like a good suspect.? The throttle linkage may have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine.Org List > Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > Howdy Folks, > ? ....................snip.................... > ? > I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. > ? > Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that > I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running > very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring > and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM > but in a much calmer manner. > This was around ten years ago. > ? > When I first checked at the show this week it was > running at 400 RPM > By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had > slowed down. > Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before > it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it > hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. > ? > It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor > is breaking up. ................snip.................... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 23 09:31:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:31:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <259826.38114.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: Ahh! THAT little fact eliminates all of the throttle linkage, doesn't it? I guess the culprit's gotta be the spring. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > What throttle linkage? > That is a model S hit-n-miss engine. 8>)) > Wico EK mag and plenty compression. > I have a very lazy running engine now but that is not > what?I need to run my corn sheller. > ? > Alan > > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Elden wrote: > > > From: Elden > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:20 AM > > > Alan: > > The spring sounds like a good suspect.? The throttle > linkage may > have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From gastzt at aol.com Mon Aug 23 09:45:42 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:45:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley Message-ID: <70143.1f9c1d44.39a3ffb6@aol.com> yep---need stronger spring----for sure! Stan Pleasanton, Tx From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 23 10:32:35 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:32:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: "I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. Tim" Tim, this is off list so as not to tip anyone off, but I have to ask if this is one of the Paola Bessemers. If it is, which railroad moved it for you? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 13:42:42 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <70143.1f9c1d44.39a3ffb6@aol.com> Message-ID: <300921.76994.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yup, When I get a chance to play with my engines that one will be first. I forget which great SEL member bought a box of hand tachs cheap then offered them to the list folks that contacted him. ? Thanks to him I had one to measure the RPM when I first put that spring in the govener. It was running at 500 RPM. Seemed slow at the show so I measured it again Wednesday. 400/375 Saturday afternoon as I was finishing the 4200 pounds of corn the sheller was slower so I got the tach out again. 350/300 But,,, The corn was done. I shut the engine down then spun the sheller's flywheel. It was running just as nice as always on those 1890s roller bearings. I went back to the engine and spun the flywheels bouncing the piston against compression several times. No drag there either. ? When I first fired that engine up the original spring was so stiff the whole engine jumped about an inch off the ground every time it hit. It was a raging beast. I don't even want to know how fast it was turning. I could only compress that spring about an eighth of an inch. I had one the same size in my spring bag made from thin wire that I could compress all the way 150 times a minute. That is what?I put in the govenor then tached the engine and found 500 RPM. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 8/23/10, gastzt at aol.com wrote: From: gastzt at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:45 PM yep---need stronger spring----for sure! Stan Pleasanton, Tx _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 23 13:42:26 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <4402821.1282596148019.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger >Sent: Aug 23, 2010 1:32 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > > >"I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. > >Tim" > >Tim, this is off list so as not to tip anyone off, but I have to ask if this is one of the Paola Bessemers. If it is, which railroad moved it for you? > > >Bruce Younger > >05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > >Madison, SD > >sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > >"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted >armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." > >E. Hemingway > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 23 17:08:07 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:08:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 7 1/2 Hp engine Message-ID: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> Hi,just trying to help a friendwith his new toy. It seems like there isn't much information out there on Galloways. Has someone built a a registry for them? He's trying to find the DOB. For the serial #9357. it's got the early style hopper and a round rod. Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Aug 23 17:36:03 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:36:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 7 1/2 Hp engine In-Reply-To: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> References: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <4C7313F3.6090606@coastalnet.com> Jim, John Cullom put this list together with the results of his research gathering info on the Galloway line. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/numbers.PDF Linked from his page at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html Take care. Ken On 8/23/2010 8:08 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi,just trying to help a friendwith his new toy. It seems like there isn't > much information out there on Galloways. Has someone built a a registry for > them? He's trying to find the DOB. For the serial #9357. it's got the early > style hopper and a round rod. Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, > Ca. 415 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 23 19:39:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:39:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <940661a7963f76c831c38ec5d430d6ea.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tim, You better get that sorry-assed Bessemer running right. There's a gang of us coming over on Tuesday to check it out!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 23, 2010 11:32 am, Tim Christoff wrote: > I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was > running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under > 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running > engines. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 23 20:24:51 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:24:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> Tim, Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! INK." So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. Tim Christoff. PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is Steve. From jneth3 at mac.com Mon Aug 23 21:02:53 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:02:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? Web site doesn't say. Thanks John Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Tim, > Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll > teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some > digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I > think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as > follows: > > "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to > pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when > Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect > that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving > something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling > it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere > in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what > that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is > in danger! > > INK." > > > > So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display > keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by > my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > > Tim Christoff. > > PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother > is Steve. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 24 03:43:10 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:43:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> John: I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have never heard anything like it. :) See you there! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Neth" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? > Web site doesn't say. Thanks > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner > wrote: > >> Tim, >> Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll >> teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some >> digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I >> think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as >> follows: >> >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to >> pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when >> Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect >> that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving >> something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling >> it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere >> in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what >> that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is >> in danger! >> >> INK." >> >> >> >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display >> keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by >> my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. >> >> Tim Christoff. >> >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother >> is Steve. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 24 05:10:30 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:10:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike: I couldn't have said it better! :-) That is one of the things I will miss most about not being able to go to Portland again. :-( Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mike Royster > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 ................snip..................... > At 9am daily the show officially opens > with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I > promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 05:27:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:27:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Mike, the show was in full swing YESTERDAY. Where are you???? And everyone that's still on the way, please be sure to ask Craig Morrison about his mysterious "Disappearing Sandow engine." heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 24, 2010 6:43 am, Mike Royster wrote: > > I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by > 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at > night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! > > Mike From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 05:39:59 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:39:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've got a Millars sludge pump outfit that's powered by a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine circa 1937. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm At Baraboo I concluded that I really need to slow the engine down. She's running at full rated speed and the pump just does too much sloshing of water. It's hard to keep the water in the tank that I'm using. Here's what it looked like at home with the pre-Baraboo test run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuCVOIvhD4 In looking it over, it appears that there might be coil springs behind pins that the governor weights press on. I didn't see any sort of speed adjustment. If anyone has any experience with the governor setup on a Bamford OV I'd love to hear from you. I plan to tear into it today at Portland, but if there's an adjustment that I'm not seeing, that would sure save time. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 08:41:32 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:41:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arnie, if you can't slow the engine down could you put ba valve on the intake pipe temporally? Hope you guys are having fun! Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:40 AM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing Hi Folks, I've got a Millars sludge pump outfit that's powered by a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine circa 1937. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm At Baraboo I concluded that I really need to slow the engine down. She's running at full rated speed and the pump just does too much sloshing of water. It's hard to keep the water in the tank that I'm using. Here's what it looked like at home with the pre-Baraboo test run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuCVOIvhD4 In looking it over, it appears that there might be coil springs behind pins that the governor weights press on. I didn't see any sort of speed adjustment. If anyone has any experience with the governor setup on a Bamford OV I'd love to hear from you. I plan to tear into it today at Portland, but if there's an adjustment that I'm not seeing, that would sure save time. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 24 12:03:20 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:03:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1><1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com><000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Leaving now!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hey Mike, the show was in full swing YESTERDAY. Where are you???? > > And everyone that's still on the way, please be sure to ask Craig Morrison > about his > mysterious "Disappearing Sandow engine." heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, August 24, 2010 6:43 am, Mike Royster wrote: >> >> I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring >> by >> 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs >> at >> night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly >> singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have >> never heard anything like it. :) >> >> See you there! >> >> Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Tue Aug 24 16:56:50 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:56:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 17:24:09 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (gasenginetom at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1810505536-1282695847-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214993874-@bda624.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I'm not there yet. Still loading tonight :( Tom Winland Ohio Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: winkandginger at aol.com Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:56:50 To: Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 24 17:27:38 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Tue Aug 24 17:53:24 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Thanks, Linda and I are coming up to Portland Wed, staying in Berne and will make it for two days. Thanks again. John? John W. Neth III 228 Old Milligan Highway Johnson City, TN 37601 423-434-0978 or 634 Elm St. Groveport, OH 43125-1216 614-836-3465 On 24 Aug, 2010,at 06:43 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > John: > > I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by > 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at > night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Neth" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > > > Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? > > Web site doesn't say. Thanks > > John > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner > > wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today..that'll > >> teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. > >> > >> Tommy Turner > >> Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some > >> digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I > >> think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as > >> follows: > >> > >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to > >> pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when > >> Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect > >> that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving > >> something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling > >> it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere > >> in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what > >> that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is > >> in danger! > >> > >> INK." > >> > >> > >> > >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display > >> keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by > >> my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > >> > >> Tim Christoff. > >> > >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother > >> is Steve. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Aug 24 18:39:13 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:39:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3ABC06708B584DE1887678D77354C006@shop> Nice job Rick! Does the carriage tilt back and forth to create the taper on the shingle? And how does the trim part of the mill work? Thanks for sharing, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Aug 24 18:54:49 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C7477E9.7080805@coastalnet.com> Great job on this project, Rick. I really enjoyed the slideshow as well as the video. I am sure this is a real crowd pleaser. Thanks for sharing. Ken On 8/24/2010 8:27 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. > > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. > > Sorry for the html > > http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc > > > Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." > RickinMt. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 19:08:52 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:08:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: "Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. Tim" I'd like to see that five horse, Tim. The hot tubes I've seen have all been larger oil field engines. Damn shame about the Paola Bessies. China got some fine iron there; they'll probably mis-alloy it and sell it back to us. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 19:23:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:23:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1><1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com><000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <783a20bff24e78e72d90b7319f3435be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Drive safely and DON'T forget the Elixer!! PS - Beverly has been asking where that cutie Mike was. She pointed out that in order for her to be forgiven her sins, she must first SIN. Mike I think she has plans for you... On Tue, August 24, 2010 3:03 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Leaving now!!!!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 19:32:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:32:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speed Governing Message-ID: Andy, Thanks so much for the detailed and spot-on advice!! And Roly, thanks so much for the referral!! We did this on the rally field today and it worked a treat. We were able to slow the engine down below mid-range and the pumping is not nearly as vigorous but still moves a great deal of water. Thanks again!! Arnie On Tue, August 24, 2010 10:40 am, Andrew Milestone wrote: > > Arnie, > > On the cranshaft, starting handle side, there is a heavy tin cover fitted to the > flywheel boss. This cover needs removing to reveal two adjusting screws. To increase > speed turn clockwise, to reduce speed turn anti-clockwise. One full turn of both > screws alters the engine speed by approx 25 RPM. > > If there is not sufficient adjustment this way then from experience the other way > is more drastic. Measure the distance from the end of crank to the flywheel. Remove > the key and slide the flywheel about 1/16" to 1/8" towards the end of the crank. Be > carefull not to go to far or the tensioners will fall out of the flywheel. Refit > the key and try running the engine again. > > If all the above fail the only option left is to put a slight bend in the vertical > control rod to close the butterfly. > > The tensioners consist of a part hollowed dowel (on show inside edge of the > flywheel), compression spring, small dowel and then the adjusting screw. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Andy > > >> From: roland at petternut.co.uk >> To: milestones_a at hotmail.com >> Subject: Fw: Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing >> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:25:19 +0100 >> >> Andy >> I hope you can help Arnie please. If you can, please reply directly to him. >> >> thanks >> Roland From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Aug 24 19:37:45 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <29819767.1282703865256.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Well jump in that RV Bruce and start driving. You should be able to make it before the show ends. -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger >Sent: Aug 24, 2010 10:08 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >"Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. > >Tim" > >I'd like to see that five horse, Tim. The hot tubes I've seen have all been larger oil field engines. > >Damn shame about the Paola Bessies. China got some fine iron there; they'll probably mis-alloy it and sell it back to us. >Bruce Younger > >05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > >Madison, SD > >sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > >"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted >armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." > >E. Hemingway > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 24 20:41:19 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:41:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0543529D-9CE4-4ED3-BEB7-C524F5F42E28@rustyiron.com> On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:56 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink Hey, Wink! Why don't you load your lovely bride into the pickup and come join us Saturday at the Chino Corn Feed Run? Hot cars, hot engines, hot babes, and hot dogs. What more could you ask for? Rob From gibsongus at earthlink.net Tue Aug 24 21:04:00 2010 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:04:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <2642451.1282709041301.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I sure hate to see a grone?? man kry?? ... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Aug 24, 2010 4:56 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. >Maybe next year more of us can join them! > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From winkandginger at aol.com Tue Aug 24 21:13:15 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:13:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD1222F9AE2B7A-1DBC-70E5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> It must have taken a long time to cut enough shingles to roof a house! Good looking rig Rick, thanks for the video. Wink -----Original Message----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 04:04:01 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:04:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/2010 8:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Hey Rick, Great looking machine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 07:23:40 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:23:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> References: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys and gals!! I'll try to get a video of it today running. I have an electric motor driven mandrel belted up to it for tweaking. It moves real slow and works great. The edger/trimmer is just a big rotating flat wheel with several knives in it. You put the shingle in the slot and trim until you like it. There are two slots for a two man trimming operation. Just think of a big slow turning jointer if you're a wood shop person. The advancer for the bolt (block of wood) is another story and the video hopefully will show it's operation. It is fun to watch...kinda reminds me of watching a grain binder as you can see almost everything....and the castings are very cool. untill later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Germoamer at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! In a message dated 8/24/2010 8:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Hey Rick, Great looking machine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 25 09:08:05 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:08:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ Everyone looks great! Ken From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 09:20:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:20:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: Unfortunately, I'm still here in the Redneck Riviera, unable to go to the bash. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:57 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to > Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 09:24:39 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:24:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Ken Christison wrote: > A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of > one of my contacts:-) A FINE looking bunch, they are! From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 09:26:58 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: Nice video! That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in action and is very different from the first one which had a horizontal saw blade. Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase > Shingle Mill. .................snippety snip........................ From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:25:46 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. Life is good, Wink -----Original Message----- From: Ken Christison To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 9:08 am Subject: [SEL] Portland crew A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ Everyone looks great! Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:38:52 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard on us who have to remain on the homefront. By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un protected?.....Hmmm! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 9:20 am Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Wink: Unfortunately, I'm still here in the Redneck Riviera, unable to go to the bash. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:57 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to > Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 25 09:46:45 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:46:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to >two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some >tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should >cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and >not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far >away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" >as it was called. > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. >Sorry for the html >http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc >Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Hope you are keeping well. That's a really great setup. We never used shingles in South Africa so it's something unique to me - may I ask a few questions? i)I do understand that these were used as cladding on buildings and I assume overlapping each other for water runoff. Were they used on roofs as well as walls ? ii)Those in the video looked very thin (the light shone through some of them, what is the thickness and did they get any kind of preservative treatment before being used? iii) Are they cut "with the grain" ie. does the grain run lengthwise on the final product? It would appear the best way but the reason for my question is that I found it interesting that to do that the "bolt" would have been a crosscut piece of the log and that itself would need some pretty impressive machinery to produce. iV) Are the "bolts" still readily available from sawmills or is it a bygone industry? All for now. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 10:20:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey, Wink: Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you bring the loader. If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > protected?.....Hmmm! From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 12:26:30 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: G'day all; Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Hope you enjoy as much as we have on this freshen up job! http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3004325720039077051TSrFuC?vhost=good-times Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc> Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Wed Aug 25 12:44:33 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:44:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> New here where are you guys Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ > > Everyone looks great! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 25 13:08:28 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:08:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C75783C.6030802@coastalnet.com> Hi John, They are at the Tri State Gas Engine show in Portland, Indiana. http://tristategasengineandt.intuitwebsites.com/ This list gets kind of quiet during this show because so many of our members are there. Ken On 8/25/2010 3:44 PM, John Neth wrote: > New here where are you guys > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > >> A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ >> >> Everyone looks great! >> >> Ken >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 13:24:04 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:24:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill Message-ID: <7f502.384ee481.39a6d5e4@aol.com> Jerry, To answer one of your questions, the shingles are made with the grain running the length of the shingle. Before powered mills came into existence, they were split by hand. A piece of log was cut, stood up on end, and split off the log using a "Froe" which is a knife blade with handle at a right angle to it. The Froe was hammered into the log face and then twisted back and forth so that the knife followed the grain rather than make its own path as a saw blade would. Wooden shingles were some of the first methods of covering a roof. As they were installed, they were double lapped to cover all seams. However, it was not unusual to look up thru a roof and see daylight and the roof would not leak. Having the grain run the length made is very simple to split some off when you needed a smaller piece to finish up a row, or to cover up the next lap, etc. One of the most common woods in the early days was American Chestnut, which was virtually rot proof, but now extinct due to a blight in the early 1900's. Cedar and white oak also were commonly used. The making and installation of shingles in mostly a lost art, however some are occasionally used on siding to give historic look. No roofs are done to my knowledge. I may be able to find a picture of a froe. Hope this helps. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 13:28:21 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:28:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill Message-ID: <7f9c5.689b0434.39a6d6e5@aol.com> Jerry, here is how to make shingles with a froe. _http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1973-11-01/How-To-Hand-Split- Shakes.aspx Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _ (http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1973-11-01/How-To-Hand-Split-Shakes.aspx) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 14:38:41 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:38:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, I am using ponderosa "Blue" Pine only to demonstrate. They would have used sawed dimentional lumber without the bark. Shingles are usually 16 inches long and in this neck of the woods would have been cedar or redwood as they contain their own oil and last forever. Not used too much anymore as they do turn an ugly color and fire insurance would kill us. As far as the thickness, ours has #8 sprockets and there were others available for different thicknesses. As Tom mentioned you could see the sun thru the roof, but it never leaked. Today you would have to go or have a sawmill that would cut the proper lumber...and we did just that at the Barnes' Steam and power show. A buzz saw was used to cut it to proper 16 inch lengths. Take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill At 06:00 PM 25/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to >two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some >tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should >cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and >not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far >away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" >as it was called. > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. >Sorry for the html >http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc> >Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Hope you are keeping well. That's a really great setup. We never used shingles in South Africa so it's something unique to me - may I ask a few questions? i)I do understand that these were used as cladding on buildings and I assume overlapping each other for water runoff. Were they used on roofs as well as walls ? ii)Those in the video looked very thin (the light shone through some of them, what is the thickness and did they get any kind of preservative treatment before being used? iii) Are they cut "with the grain" ie. does the grain run lengthwise on the final product? It would appear the best way but the reason for my question is that I found it interesting that to do that the "bolt" would have been a crosscut piece of the log and that itself would need some pretty impressive machinery to produce. iV) Are the "bolts" still readily available from sawmills or is it a bygone industry? All for now. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 14:45:06 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Hey, Wink: > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > bring the loader. > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > protected?.....Hmmm! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 14:48:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:48:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We do have a few horizontals shown at Montana shows, and they do have the vertical Chases' on the right side of the big river. I've heard that one guy in Pa. even has the patterns. BTW our 32 inch blade is not OEM...the smallest were 36 and were a special grind....still available but to the tune of 600 to 1000 rockets. You take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Rick: Nice video! That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in action and is very different from the first one which had a horizontal saw blade. Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase > Shingle Mill. .................snippety snip........................ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 15:15:47 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:15:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:50:31 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD12C76DFA8F98-1380-3DE7@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Sounds good Elden! I'll see you there about dark thirty! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20 am Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Hey, Wink: Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you bring the loader. If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > protected?.....Hmmm! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:54:06 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Steve Royster To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Hey, Wink: > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > bring the loader. > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > protected?.....Hmmm! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:59:38 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:59:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com><8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 17:03:08 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:03:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:44 PM, John Neth wrote: > New here where are you guys ALL RIGHT! A guy with a .mac address, sending from his iPhone. WELCOME! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 17:09:38 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:09:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 26 August 2010 00:59, wrote: > Thanks Rob, ?I see you didn't make to Portland either! ?You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink It's been a good day, started out grey, but cleared to a fine but not too hot afternoon. Walked most of the site a couple of times, taken about 300 pictures and some video footage. Just about to start editing. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 17:10:49 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:10:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C76DFA8F98-1380-3DE7@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: We need to figure out which of the Royster boys is at Portland. HE's the one we need to visit. Better make it about oh dark forty-five. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:51 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Sounds good Elden! I'll see you there about dark thirty! From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 17:12:13 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:12:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: I done sent 'ya Plan B. Maybe I need to change that to Stealth Plan B. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:54 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! > > Wink > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll > find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 17:47:06 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <596571.19505.qm@web111713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We just have two horizontals at the Buckley, Michigan show. That sweet one you have sure would be a hit. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Richard Strobel wrote: From: Richard Strobel Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:48 PM We do have a few horizontals shown at Montana shows, and they do have the vertical Chases' on the right side of the big river.? I've heard that one guy in Pa. even has the patterns.? BTW our 32 inch blade is not OEM...the smallest were 36 and were a special grind....still available but to the tune of 600 to? 1000 rockets. You take care, Rick ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Elden ? To: The SEL email discussion list ? Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:26 AM ? Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! ? Rick: ? Nice video!? That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in ? action and is very different from the first one which had a ? horizontal saw blade. ? Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? ? Take care - Elden ? http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand ? > -----Original Message----- ? > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com ? > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On ? > Behalf Of Richard ? > Strobel ? > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM ? > To: The SEL email discussion list ? > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! ? > ? > ? > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase ? > Shingle Mill. ? .................snippety snip........................ ? _______________________________________________ ? SEL mailing list ? SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com ? http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 17:55:57 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:55:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD12D093B88833-1380-4E74@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Elden, It's a good thing we're discussing this "off line", otherwise we would have blown our cover by now! OK,.... back to the shop, Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Wink: I done sent 'ya Plan B. Maybe I need to change that to Stealth Plan B. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:54 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! > > Wink > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll > find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 18:20:14 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:20:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hey, Wink: > > > > > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > > > bring the loader. > > > > > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > > > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > > > :-) > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > > > winkandginger at aol.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > > > protected?.....Hmmm! > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 18:53:44 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:53:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which > one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > Are Mike's engines all being offered individually, or can I get a bulk price for a trailerful? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 25 20:27:49 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:27:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: Hand that man a rotary dial phone!! 8-)) On Wed, August 25, 2010 8:03 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:44 PM, John Neth wrote: >> New here where are you guys > > ALL RIGHT! > A guy with a .mac address, sending from his iPhone. > WELCOME! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 25 20:38:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <871572117d75796a4d1f6d3305a8d70d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!! The tricky Royster that's at Portland left ALL of his old iron at home!! He's come to Portland with an empty truck, empty trailer, two engines to pick up, and an emgine mate new to the hobby who's arrived at Portland with a thick wad of 10's and 20's and an itch to leave 'em all here in return for some rusty old iron. See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 25, 2010 9:20 pm, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue > tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 22:03:00 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:03:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com><8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink Heck, no! Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 02:48:28 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <962960.61771.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 1:03 AM On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Rob,? I see you didn't make to Portland either!? You might? > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink Heck, no! Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Aug 26 03:43:25 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:43:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's was quiet! but the Aussies have arrived Message-ID: <380-220108426104325991@M2W133.mail2web.com> Hi all We have arrived after 24 hours of travel. At Super 8 Elk Grove, Chicago now leaving for Decatur this morning. May get to Portland today, Thursday, if not see you at the dinner. Peter, oz -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 05:11:17 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <13805578.1282824677716.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost take his engine by mistake (?) Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Aug 25, 2010 11:38 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > >DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!! > >The tricky Royster that's at Portland left ALL of his old iron at home!! >He's come to Portland with an empty truck, empty trailer, two engines to pick up, >and an emgine mate new to the hobby who's arrived at Portland with a thick wad of >10's and 20's and an itch to leave 'em all here in return for some rusty old iron. > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, August 25, 2010 9:20 pm, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >> Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue >> tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 26 07:50:02 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12D093B88833-1380-4E74@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah, Wink - we can't be too careful! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:56 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Elden, It's a good thing we're discussing this "off > line", otherwise we would have blown our cover by now! From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 26 07:54:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:54:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A case of beer delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, giving us least twelve hours to do the deed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > > > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland > either! You might > > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > > > Wink > > > Heck, no! > Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, > he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy > Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 26 08:06:45 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:06:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <4C768305.6030808@windstream.net> On 8/25/10 5:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! Beware, Tommy! While you are having to keep your eyes on the Royster hovering arund your trailer, the other Royster is free to make a run to Kentucky to snatch a whole trailer load!!! Mike PS. Steve, if you drop off his 8 hp IHC at my place, I'll keep y'all's plan off-list and a secret! From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 26 08:12:48 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:12:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> On 8/25/10 3:26 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Rick, GREAT looking saw!! Do the shingles have a tapered thickness or are they uniform thickness? Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Aug 26 09:16:32 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:16:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! now shingle mill In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> Message-ID: When it's working right Mike, the shingles are tapered. The upper and lower sprockets have catches, short spaced and long spaced. When one advances short the other advances long..then visa versa. Hopefully this video will clear it up; http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3063583140039077051NPuznM?vhost=good-times take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Tucker To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! On 8/25/10 3:26 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Rick, GREAT looking saw!! Do the shingles have a tapered thickness or are they uniform thickness? Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 26 09:32:34 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:32:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100826183111.00dd42f0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 26/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:38:41 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill >Jerry, I am using ponderosa "Blue" Pine only to demonstrate. They would >have used sawed dimentional lumber without the bark. Shingles are usually >16 inches long and in this neck of the woods would have been cedar or >redwood as they contain their own oil and last forever. Not used too much >anymore as they do turn an ugly color and fire insurance would kill >us. As far as the thickness, ours has #8 sprockets and there were others >available for different thicknesses. As Tom mentioned you could see the >sun thru the roof, but it never leaked. > > Today you would have to go or have a sawmill that would cut the proper > lumber...and we did just that at the Barnes' Steam and power show. A > buzz saw was used to cut it to proper 16 inch lengths. > >Take care, >Rick Hi Rick and Tom, Thanks for the information and links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 11:57:18 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:57:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , Message-ID: Individually on list , or meet me at his warehouse for the bulk discount! Keep this quiet, Mike doesn't have a computer with him and he'll never know till he gets home! /Steve > From: rob at rustyiron.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:53:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which > > one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > > > > Are Mike's engines all being offered individually, or can I get a bulk > price for a trailerful? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 23:10:35 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:10:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral pages update Message-ID: I have been doing some scanning and added some more images of Australs from catalogues and factory images at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/awimages_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Aug 27 13:53:16 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:53:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show Message-ID: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at Gardnerville Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's there and running. Pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01vuc From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 14:28:26 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:28:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CFDE887FC99403482E96F17E1D078E9@VALUED3253602F> Ron, Thanks for the pictures. Looks like it was a success. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:53 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show Hi all. Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at Gardnerville Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's there and running. Pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 27 14:38:57 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:38:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <2BC93B7F-D49A-4FC0-ACC3-600767ED9BE8@rustyiron.com> On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:53 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at > Gardnerville > Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's > there and running. Pictures at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# > If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Looks like a lot of nice T's and JOAT's out there, Ron. I think Frank Moody's big T is still for sale, if you need another. Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Aug 27 15:31:42 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: That's the most T's (Jack of All Trades) engines I've ever seen pictured in one place. I remember several years ago when a Jack of All Trades was a rare bird, indeed. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show > > > Hi all. > Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual > show at Gardnerville > Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. > There were 17 T's > there and running. Pictures at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGar dnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01v uc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Fri Aug 27 17:58:42 2010 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:58:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] age ofcrossley Message-ID: Hello all, Can some body advise me of the age of this Crossley engine So 119308 RPM 600 TYPE VOSE7 BHP 11-12 and where can I get information can supply photos Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:10:50 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:10:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing that...now I do! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of winkandginger at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Aug 27 20:15:32 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <39d6d.7075c10.39a9d954@aol.com> Tommy the American tradition is under ground. KK In a message dated 8/27/2010 11:13:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing that...now I do! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of winkandginger at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:17:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:17:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <962960.61771.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071C1DD8F86E4D2A9B177B781C7B459D@D2JYVHJ1> Alan, Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:19:39 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:19:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <13805578.1282824677716.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, Now you understand why I ran a locked chain through the flywheels of my engine each evening. Tommy Turner One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost take his engine by mistake (?) Tim Christoff From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:28:39 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:28:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well Elden, you're in for a surprise. Roscoe and Enos are teetotalers. You've got them mixed up with the other two deputies, Bubba and Ace. Tommy Turner Rob: That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A case of beer delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, giving us least twelve hours to do the deed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:30:55 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C768305.6030808@windstream.net> Message-ID: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> Mike, I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been "Roystered" again! Tommy Turner PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? Beware, Tommy! While you are having to keep your eyes on the Royster hovering arund your trailer, the other Royster is free to make a run to Kentucky to snatch a whole trailer load!!! Mike PS. Steve, if you drop off his 8 hp IHC at my place, I'll keep y'all's plan off-list and a secret! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Aug 27 20:37:34 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:37:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] age ofcrossley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80BD4A68B32E4AEB92FE38760ACA853E@KerryPC> Kevin contact the Anson Museum as they have the Crossley data, you have to fill out a form and it does cost for the data http://www.enginemuseum.org/ Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > Can some body advise me of the age of this Crossley engine So 119308 RPM > 600 TYPE VOSE7 BHP 11-12 > and where can I get information > can supply photos From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Aug 27 21:25:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:25:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <829146.38228.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 27 21:42:33 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:42:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F785912-0E44-40E4-87CC-69DBCCE9434F@rustyiron.com> On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of > paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things > "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing > that...now > I do! That's right, Tommy. I had to make a list of those "common" engines that I don't want to waste my time on. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 05:52:52 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <932915.54267.qm@smtp107-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Send me your address Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Windows? phone. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:25 PM To: ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > [The entire original message is not included] From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Aug 28 06:39:21 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:39:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: We sent Roscoe and Enos to the big tent revival in E-town. Bubba and Ace got the beer. Anyway, we checked over your shed(s) and didn't find anything worth lifting into the truck. Just a lot of rusty 'ol junk. Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:29 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > > > Well Elden, you're in for a surprise. Roscoe and Enos > are teetotalers. > You've got them mixed up with the other two deputies, > Bubba and Ace. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > Rob: > > That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A > case of beer > delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine > gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, > giving us least > twelve hours to do the deed! From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 11:48:37 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <071C1DD8F86E4D2A9B177B781C7B459D@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <608790.9981.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guns yes but there is still nothing functional between the ears. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:17 PM Alan, ??? Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Aug 28 13:14:46 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] R&V CD Message-ID: <380-2201086282014462@M2W104.mail2web.com> I will bring a copy home Patrick. Regards Peter Lowe Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 28 17:21:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:21:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <608790.9981.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well Alan, I didn't mean brains! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:49 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Guns yes but there is still nothing functional between the ears. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:17 PM Alan, ??? Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From STB440 at aol.com Sat Aug 28 18:02:15 2010 From: STB440 at aol.com (STB440 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:02:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <5f3a2.7d761eab.39ab0b97@aol.com> That's Tom Ball from Oregon, Ohio From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 06:58:23 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <28529771.1283090303428.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I thought that was a bit unusal when I seen the chain. That Alamo was awful close to the Hagen though. -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 27, 2010 11:19 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > >Tim, > Now you understand why I ran a locked chain through the >flywheels of my engine each evening. > >Tommy Turner > > > > > >One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost >take his engine by mistake (?) > >Tim Christoff > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 07:02:23 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <29411139.1283090543674.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You won't have that problem anymore Elden, Mike has a brand new engine tarp that should show up well on the satelite images now. It stands out better than the old blue ones. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Elden >Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 29 10:42:26 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:42:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew References: <29411139.1283090543674.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01cb47a1$8ba0a960$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Yes, thanks to the hard work of Tim's mother-in-law, I have a "new" engine tarp. Actually it was for my brother Steve and his "girlie engines" but since he could not make Portland, I was fortunate enough to receive the custom tarp on my engine. I can't wait to see the pictures show up! Give it up Tim! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > You won't have that problem anymore Elden, Mike has a brand new engine > tarp that should show up well on the satelite images now. It stands out > better than the old blue ones. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Elden > >>Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! >> >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 29 18:38:26 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:38:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? Dave On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Now on Oldengine.org: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm > > There is NO main page icon yet, will do that later. > > Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 29 19:18:37 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:18:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Great song Message-ID: <006301cb47e9$befe9ae0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sallie Craig To: Mark Hudson ; Royster, Ann ; mr at carolina.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Great song Who doesn't love BBQ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 23:56:37 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:56:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> References: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 02:38, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? > ? ? ? ?Dave > Nope, just us two..... :-)) Most of the early pictures were taken on the Thursday, before everyone turned up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 00:21:02 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:21:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland & Baraboo Shows Message-ID: We had a great fortnight, met up with all the regulars and both shows were really good. Apart from the thunderstorm at Baraboo (which we missed) the weather was good, and the engine selection was better than average. The Charity Dinner & Auction went off well, Dave would be able to confirm figures, but I think it was over $1400 or so, with 25 bidders. We drove about 2000 miles all told, visited lots of Antique Malls and bought far more stuff than we had room for in our luggage, fortunately American Airlines didn't hit us for our overweight bags on the flight back home! Thanks to Dave Rotigel and Arnie Fero for the welcome and hospitality, and to Jim Dunmyer for bringing along some parts for us that we had bought back in April for our Land Rover Discovery. The outstanding engine item has to be Brian & Jonathan Triebner's Otto Slide Valve engine, superb runner and so nice to watch running. We were able to get close up with the cameras on Friday and have taken a 9 minute video of it running, I'll post the URL later when it has finished. We did try to upload it last evening but had trouble with Youtube, it is 1.1gb file size. It was very good to see Mike Tucker in better shape than when we last saw him in 2008, excellent news that his condition has stabilised. All too soon it was time to say our goodbyes, and we left Portland at 4pm to drive up to Chicago. The flight home on Saturday morning was good, our youngest son met us at Heathrow, and we were home by 12.40am. Looking through the picture files of both shows, it was clear that the hobby is in good shape, and the attendance at both shows indicated that the recession hasn't hit too badly. Thanks to everyone for a great time. Peter & Rita Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 03:49:00 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:49:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <932915.54267.qm@smtp107-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe & Peter, Thanks Joe for the offer of the CD and Peter for bringing it back to Oz. What a great hobby this is :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 30 04:02:57 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:02:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] US trip Message-ID: Hi all Had a great time at Portland, too short as usual, with some great engine friends. No room for toys this time, US customs are going to have a hard enough time working out what an R&V crankshaft, governor and head look like through X-ray. We headed off to Indianapolis to show my son Chris the motor museum etc only to arrive in the middle of the MotoGP weekend, thousands of bikes everywhere and 91F (33C) temps. So we decided to keep heading to Moline, Illinois to the R&V engine/car factory site to do some more R&V research. Found heaps of new info. We then head to Mount Pleasant, Iowa to the R&V Expo with some nice large R&V's coming and a large number of R&V made cars. I hope to keep the R&V web site updated with photos from Mount Pleasant, nice to have 54Mbps high speed internet. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 30 05:25:18 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:25:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> On 8/27/10 11:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally > empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been > "Roystered" again! > > Tommy Turner > > PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? Tommy, It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! Mike From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 30 07:29:36 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> Message-ID: <5092097FEA8646119FA347A07D814581@laruecounty.courthouse> No telling where its at Mike...my guess is its hid in the NC hills somewhere! Tommy Turner It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 30 08:27:06 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:27:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> Message-ID: <20100830152706.LUFJP.48098.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Nope, still just the bad older brother. I have witnesses to prove i was at Portland, why I was with the Judge the whole time! MR ---- Michael Tucker wrote: > On 8/27/10 11:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > Mike, > > I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally > > empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been > > "Roystered" again! > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? > > Tommy, > > It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about > it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 09:28:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:28:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video Message-ID: Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen on your PC media player. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 09:56:27 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BEAUTIFUL Peter! THANKS!!!!!!!! Dave PS, It works on an Apple as well! On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 30 10:26:30 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:26:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7BE9C6.4090207@windstream.net> On 8/30/10 12:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter VERY NICE Peter! Great video of an amazing engine! Thanks, Mike From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 11:11:58 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:11:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: Thanks so much for the detailed video of the Otto! I really like the oilers as well as hearing the ignition flame as it transfers(?) to the ignition port. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths inventors went to in order to ignite the fuel charge. Lenoir in the early 1860's used high tension jump-spark ignition, decades before it was taken up by others. His ignition system had it's oddities, too. The Rumkhoff (sp?) trembler coil ran all the time and spark was timed in the high tension circuit via a distributor of sorts. Flame, hot tube, ignitor then back to the high tension spark plug. Surprising to me, ignitors lasted well into the 1920's in stationary engines. There ain't nuthin' new under the sun! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Aug 30 11:39:13 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100830143809.048d8440@ncweb.com> This is nothing but pure engine porn! Dave Merchant At 12:28 PM 8/30/2010, you wrote: >Here's the link: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > >It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen >on your PC media player. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 14:43:54 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Nice pictures. I did notice your Page 61 has a bad link. ? Alan in Michigan having fun at Buckley while you were at Baraboo. --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 2:56 AM On 30 August 2010 02:38, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? > ? ? ? ?Dave > Nope, just us two..... :-)) Most of the early pictures were taken on the Thursday, before everyone turned up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 16:40:13 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:40:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 22:43, Alan wrote: > Hi Peter, > Nice pictures. > I did notice your Page 61 has a bad link. > > Alan in Michigan having fun at Buckley while you were at Baraboo. Thanks for the heads-up Alan, should be fixed now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 18:26:26 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:26:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 17:28, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter I have split the original file up and processed it at a lower resolution of 640 X 480 in MPEG1 format, and saved the separate files here: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve1.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve2.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve3.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve4.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve5.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve6.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve7.mpg Anyone can then download the files and run any time they want. File 1 is 6mb, File 2 is 36mb, File 3 is 14mb, File 4 is 5.7mb, File 5 is 6mb, File 6 is 3.2mb and File 7 is 25mb. File 7 takes 54 seconds to download on our broadband connection. I'm off to bed! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 18:55:07 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:55:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7DE423-26DD-4BC0-8B16-FF6420EE13F7@me.com> > Hi Peter, Have you done this for those who have PC's? Dave > I have split the original file up and processed it at a lower > resolution of 640 X 480 in MPEG1 format, and saved the separate files > here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve1.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve2.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve3.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve4.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve5.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve6.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve7.mpg > > Anyone can then download the files and run any time they want. > > File 1 is 6mb, File 2 is 36mb, File 3 is 14mb, File 4 is 5.7mb, File 5 > is 6mb, File 6 is 3.2mb and File 7 is 25mb. > > File 7 takes 54 seconds to download on our broadband connection. > > I'm off to bed! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Mon Aug 30 19:14:12 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (Stan Zettner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:14:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner Message-ID: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> If you are not able to click these links, click the following: ??Show content?? and try again. E-mail sent 8/30/2010 10:14:04 PM, by Stan Zettner: Hello, Imagine one day I changed my e-mail address... and automatically, and without having to tell you, my new address was entered in your address book! It?s now possible! UNYK is a really effective tool that allows you to securely and more easily than ever manage all your contacts. As soon as one of your contacts changes his or her contact info, your address book is automatically updated and vice versa. With UNYK, from now on, the only contact info you have to keep up to date is your own. Can I add you as one of my contacts? To accept, click here! http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/64/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 You too can create your own smart address book. It?s simple, free and 100% secure. Stan Zettner UNYK : XNH 358 Please do not reply to this email directly. Questions? Contact us - http://unyk.com/en/Contact UNYK Inc., 1010 de Serigny, suite 820, Longueuil, QC, J4K 5G7, Canada. I no longer wish to receive invitations to join UNYK from Stan Zettner: Unsubscribe http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/78/?mid=9F91A2AD817B859E&email=sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&s=20098721&w=1283206444 I never again wish to receive invitation to join UNYK: Unsubscribe http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/65/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 UNYK, the first smart address book that updates itself! From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 19:49:31 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:49:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner In-Reply-To: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> References: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> Message-ID: <40C5C6FE-B4A7-4F03-BCFD-D351180E4E38@me.com> Hi Stan, Why in the hell would I want your e-address? Dave On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Stan Zettner wrote: > > > If you are not able to click these links, click the following: ? > Show content ? and try again. > E-mail sent 8/30/2010 10:14:04 PM, by Stan Zettner: > > > > Hello, > > > > Imagine one day I changed my e-mail address... and automatically, > and without having to tell you, my new address was entered in your > address book! It?s now possible! > > UNYK is a really effective tool that allows you to securely and more > easily than ever manage all your contacts. > > As soon as one of your contacts changes his or her contact info, > your address book is automatically updated and vice versa. With > UNYK, from now on, the only contact info you have to keep up to date > is your own. > > Can I add you as one of my contacts? To accept, click here! > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/64/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > You too can create your own smart address book. > > It?s simple, free and 100% secure. > > > > Stan Zettner > UNYK : XNH 358 > > > > Please do not reply to this email directly. Questions? Contact us - http://unyk.com/en/Contact > UNYK Inc., 1010 de Serigny, suite 820, Longueuil, QC, J4K 5G7, Canada. > > I no longer wish to receive invitations to join UNYK from Stan > Zettner: Unsubscribe > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/78/?mid=9F91A2AD817B859E&email=sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > I never again wish to receive invitation to join UNYK: Unsubscribe > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/65/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > > > UNYK, the first smart address book that updates itself! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at ohio.edu Mon Aug 30 20:40:35 2010 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Steve Sewell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:40:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner In-Reply-To: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> References: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> Message-ID: --On Monday, August 30, 2010 22:14 -0400 Stan Zettner wrote: > > > If you are not able to click these links, click the following: He's gone. -steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at ohio.edu sewell at atis.net From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 31 10:24:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:24:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new book Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Now that the excitement of Portland is over you may want to sit back with a good book !! David Edgington's latest book "Wolseley Stationary Engines 1909 - 1975" is ready. As with all his books this one is worth having. I've got mine and it is a good read with a lot of pictures and useful information. I've already sold 30 of them to South African collectors in the last 10 days. You can order it securely online from his site here: Some shameless self promotion - quite a few of my engines feature in the book including the pic on the back cover . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 11:36:35 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mt. Pleasant Message-ID: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, I am really looking forward to heading down to the Mt. Pleasant show this year and am writing to say that I would really enjoy a visit with any of the SEL members who are in attendance. We will be in the R&V area, with several engines. If you are around, please look me up. We will have a canopy set up and several extra chairs. Looking forward to a relaxing weekend doing my favorite things, playing with engines, visiting with friends and watching the pretty ladies go by.................. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 31 16:28:40 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:28:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new book In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Damn, this guy talks funny. Does he write any better? Dave PS, Thanks for the heads up Jerry! On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > Now that the excitement of Portland is over you may want to > sit > back with a good book !! > > David Edgington's latest book "Wolseley Stationary Engines > 1909 - > 1975" is ready. As with all his books this one is worth having. I've > got > mine and it is a good read with a lot of pictures and useful > information. > I've already sold 30 of them to South African collectors in the last > 10 days. > > You can order it securely online from his site here: > > > Some shameless self promotion - quite a few of my engines > feature > in the book including the pic on the back cover . > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 15:53:46 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:53:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Videos Message-ID: I'm slowly working through the five mini-DVD's of videos for the Baraboo and Portland Shows. Here are a couple from Baraboo, featuring some hot fog machines. Nice old Steam drilling Rig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49Xq8Yq-kQ Case Traction Engine powering the hydraulic saw rig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z02-ElUTM8 Plus Baraboo club member's larger engines running in the club engine shed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0_b6voQYU8 (just uploaded so allow a few minutes for it to finish processing) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Aug 31 16:24:09 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:24:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mt. Pleasant Show In-Reply-To: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe Just arrived at Mount Pleasant and setup in the R&V show area, it is going to be a great show if the weather holds off. Hope your booked for the bus trip back to Moline to the R&V factory tomorrow, I am running one of those tours. Also Moline cars will be there. Should be a top day. I spend two days researching at the Moline library and Rock Island Historical Society. There are already some nice engines there including the only known surviving marine engine of Kenny Large. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia > Hi, > I am really looking forward to heading down to the Mt. Pleasant show this > year and am writing to say that I would really enjoy a visit with any of > the SEL members who are in attendance. We will be in the R&V area, with > several engines. If you are around, please look me up. We will have a > canopy set up and several extra chairs. > Looking forward to a relaxing weekend doing my favorite things, playing > with engines, visiting with friends and watching the pretty ladies go > by.................. > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 21:30:57 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:30:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 Message-ID: I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to reflect the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more pictures. There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a very basic view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other details removed. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 07:58:51 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:58:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Do you have (or need) the name of the new owner of 2629? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to > reflect > the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more > pictures. > There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a > very basic > view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other > details > removed. > It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 3 11:34:05 2010 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:34:05 GMT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20100803.143405.25755.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi Guys, I just added a few pictures to my web site if any care to look. 2010 Show Pix - Ashtabula County Antique Engine Club www.oldengine.org/members/betz Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Man will bury himself in plastic." ____________________________________________________________ SHOCKING: 2010 Honda Civic for $1,732.09 SPECIAL REPORT: High ticket items are being auctioned for an incredible 90% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c5861255bebc5c3823st02vuc From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 3 13:36:01 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:36:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Engine Show Message-ID: Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE See ya there! Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 15:19:19 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:19:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Engine Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup! Did you get any reply from Mark re: the Fishook address? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the > show! > > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > > See ya there! > > Arnie From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Aug 3 20:49:50 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:49:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! > >http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > >See ya there! > >Arnie > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 3 21:26:00 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:26:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? Dave On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > > > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the >> show! >> >> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE >> >> See ya there! >> >> Arnie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Aug 4 04:11:06 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:11:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 04:59:34 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:59:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9A994552A0F54691999B47EB935F5AC1@D2JYVHJ1> Yeah Russell, the Recession has hit hard! I thought maybe some old iron guys would be heading down I-65 and would be doing 71 mph (the speed limit on I-65 is 70 through my county) giving us a "legal" reason to stop them. I've put out word to my local law enforcement to stop all vehicles loaded with old iron and bring them immediately to jail. You'd be surprised what people are willing to post as bail! Especially when we walk them back to Butch's cell and let them know Butch will be their new bunkmate. Butch is 6' 10', weighs 280 and was offered a contract to play for the Indianapolis Colts. He has a problem though in that he doesn't like other people. The last guy we put in the cell with him will be getting out of the hospital this week after a 2 month stay. AND, all he had on his truck was a 2 cylinder Maytag! Seriously, there are about 35 Hagan engines known to be left. At one time I had 16 of them. I've still got 14 and I've decided that's probably too many for one shed. I've got 3 Model B Hagan engines (one hopper cooled, one tank cooled and the Electric Lighting model) and thought it might be good to make some room in the shed by turning one loose. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3045 - Release Date: 08/02/10 06:35:00 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 05:39:54 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <09b29ff9b55fa90cc6ea34e95af8e6c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Engines are loaded, just gotta load the "stuff" in the truck. Oh, and pickup beer and ice. 8-)) Are they still doing the corn roast Friday night? YUM!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 3, 2010 11:49 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >>Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the show! >> >>http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Aug 4 05:32:23 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:32:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> The answer is yes but probably easier to use the Fishlock gate to get in . But the Fishlock gate does not have an address. For next year I will get the address for the house across the street from the Fishlock gate, Or maybe the coordinates of the gate. Mark At 12:26 AM 8/4/2010, you wrote: >Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? > Dave > >On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! > > > > For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS > > to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See > > Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark > > > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: > >> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the > >> show! > >> > >> > http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE > >> > >> See ya there! > >> > >> Arnie > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 06:08:02 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <353.90962.qm@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Russell Gilbert wrote: From: Russell Gilbert Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:11 AM I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) Russ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 06:28:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have the stupid export barriers that your country does. So, no worries mate! See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:21:07 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:21:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2010 8:11:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded OH MY GOSH---HE is A DOOZER Stan Pleasanton Tx From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:23:44 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:23:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: Bet he IS hard to get started! Stan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 06:26:46 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:26:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <353.90962.qm@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05C362B64E074F98BE4694491DB45C5C@laruecounty.courthouse> Joe, He doesn't need to waste his time on the Governorship....he needs to be in DC with those just like him! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 4 06:40:08 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:40:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Arnie, If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow G'day Russell, Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have the stupid export barriers that your country does. So, no worries mate! See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: > I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 4 06:47:44 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:47:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: TOMMY! YOU hit it right on the HEAD for sure! If they were ALL like that, things would be MUCH better----(?)----LOL Stan Pleasanton, Tx From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 10:04:52 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:04:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Gee Russell, that was easy!! Send Tommy a check and your shipping address and start planning the Ozzie "Coming Out" party for your new Hagen. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - You KNOW that you want it. We talked about this sort of opportunity on the drive to and from Coolspring. PPS - Don't forget that important old engine maxim; you snooze you lose. On Wed, August 4, 2010 9:40 am, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! > I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them > parts :-) > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Aug 4 10:46:53 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse>, <8464441e32d971698ec82e07cb8a1fbf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Or more importantly, if you snooze an evil Royster could ease over to Tommy's shed and ply him with the Elixer and make off with yet another TT reject engine! > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:04:52 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > Gee Russell, that was easy!! > > Send Tommy a check and your shipping address and start planning the Ozzie "Coming > Out" party for your new Hagen. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - You KNOW that you want it. We talked about this sort of opportunity on the > drive to and from Coolspring. > > PPS - Don't forget that important old engine maxim; you snooze you lose. > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 4 11:06:49 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:06:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow References: <92C18393621B4A78B85B2DB0F26699C7@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, We can always use the traditional ATIS cheap transport system! See http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2766315600028520097zfIXuw Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > Arnie, > If Russell wants it, we'll see that he gets it across the water! > I know you're right in that there won't be another on in Oz. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:29 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them > parts :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 12:25:31 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <05C362B64E074F98BE4694491DB45C5C@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <834355.58778.qm@web112612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Once again, you are right. When they made him, they broke the mold.... and beat the tar out of the mold maker. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 8:26 AM Joe, ??? He doesn't need to waste his time on the Governorship....he needs to be in DC with those just like him! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:08 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Perhaps he is trying to sell out so he can move before Basil Marceaux takes over! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCY99-Y540&feature=player_embedded ? Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 4 12:43:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:43:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show & GPS In-Reply-To: <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100804034941.ECF29936C@smtp.wcoil.com> <20100804123214.1B1889311@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <05B3F697-9641-4F39-B4C6-7080EF2E2D3B@me.com> That's OK, I don't have a 26' trailer anyway! Dave PS, See you about 1:00 tomorrow! On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > The answer is yes but probably easier to use the Fishlock gate to get > in . But the Fishlock gate does not have an address. For next year I > will get the address for the house across the street from the > Fishlock gate, Or maybe the coordinates of the gate. Mark > > > At 12:26 AM 8/4/2010, you wrote: >> Hi Mark, Can I get in at 1017 with a 26' trailer? >> Dave >> >> On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: >> >>> Hey now, nothing but the best for our show!! >>> >>> For those of you who are navigationally challenged and is Using GPS >>> to get to the Findlay show use the address 1017 East Sandusky See >>> Yah, We have a great weekend on Tap. Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 04:36 PM 8/3/2010, you wrote: >>>> Man, it looks like Mark has arranged for gorgeous weather for the >>>> show! >>>> >>>> >> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Findlay&state=OH&site=CLE >>>> >>>> See ya there! >>>> >>>> Arnie >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> Mark Shulaw >>> 454 County Road 33 >>> Bluffton, OH. 45817 >>> USA >>> >>> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. >>> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >>> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 14:20:17 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow Message-ID: <11651070.1280956818899.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm somewhat suprised that this has yet to happen. -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Royster >Sent: Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > > >Or more importantly, if you snooze an evil Royster could ease over to Tommy's shed and ply him with the Elixer and make off with yet another TT reject engine! > > > Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Aug 4 14:57:51 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:57:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your other items. No worries mate!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow > G'day Russell, > > Ya know, a Hagan would look REALLY good in your shed. > I dare say it would be the only one in Oz. > > You NEED to buy that. AND this country doesn't have > the stupid export barriers that your country does. > So, no worries mate! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, August 4, 2010 7:11 am, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> I see theres a hagan for sale in KY; Must be slow pickins down them parts >> :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 4 20:07:55 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:07:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the mid70s) He called it a "piston vise"............. ? This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg Bill From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 20:42:08 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:42:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: G'day Russell, DO they have Shark Week in Oz? Hope so, cos you just been CHOMPED!! 8-)) On Wed, August 4, 2010 5:57 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your > other items. > > No worries mate!!!! > > MR From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 20:36:51 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:36:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Austral Register August 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Don't tell me you have parted with your lovely Austral! It is not critical to know who owns an engine or where it is but it does help prevent duplicates or mis-identified engines on the register. Patrick On 4/8/10 12:58 AM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > Hi Patrick, Do you have (or need) the name of the new owner of 2629? > Dave > > On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> I have spent a little time and updated the Austral register page to >> reflect >> the engines on the register as of August 2010 & added some more >> pictures. >> There are currently 1209 numbers on the register. This is just a >> very basic >> view of the register with the test month, history, owner & other >> details >> removed. >> It can be seen at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0810web.htm >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 4 20:48:18 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:48:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like a pipe vice to me... On Wed, August 4, 2010 11:07 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 4 23:01:43 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:01:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: Message-ID: It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing it damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine job on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. A nice bit of gear. I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Aug 5 05:05:29 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:05:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't have ... ! At 01:42 PM 5/08/2010, you wrote: >G'day Russell, > >DO they have Shark Week in Oz? Hope so, cos you just been CHOMPED!! 8-)) > >On Wed, August 4, 2010 5:57 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > > Plus, i will go get it for you and store it in my warehouse with all your > > other items. > > > > No worries mate!!!! > > > > MR > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Aug 5 05:09:29 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 05:09:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b65232840bb7ca29e003cb5976f4997.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> So, Reg - you are saying it IS indeed a piston vise, like my old boss said? He's 83, and was a mechanic way back in the 50s and 60s and had a lot of stuff from the middle of the 1900s as far as car tools. He had a lot of the early Kent Moore tools for working on the Ramblers/AMC cars, especially for their early 6s. I'd like to know more - this is really interesting stuff! (LOL, and engine related!) Bill > It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing > it > damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine job > on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. > The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. > A nice bit of gear. > I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I > also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: [SEL] What is it? > > >> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in >> the >> mid70s) >> >> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of >> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >> >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 05:22:14 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:22:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <3b65232840bb7ca29e003cb5976f4997.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: This is the first I have seen but, it was made to do the job I described. I, for my needs, came up with a comparable setup. There were/are a lot of things to do when making pistons from basic raw material. The holding without damage is a BIG thing. These days, so called mechanics are just part changers. The days of 'making' the part when needed are gone. Perhaps that is why we play in this hobby. I 'make' the stuff I need from basic stock. Pistons, valves, all of the stuff to make a working model engine. I take joy from the making, and the finished models. When I am done making, I sorta lose interest in a lot of projects. Thats why I sell them and start in on a new one. Some are 'keepers' and reside in the back shed. Others go to new homes. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What is it? > So, Reg - you are saying it IS indeed a piston vise, like my old boss > said? > He's 83, and was a mechanic way back in the 50s and 60s and had a lot of > stuff from the middle of the 1900s as far as car tools. > He had a lot of the early Kent Moore tools for working on the Ramblers/AMC > cars, especially for their early 6s. > > I'd like to know more - this is really interesting stuff! (LOL, and engine > related!) > > Bill > >> It is a vice to allow a piston to be held for working on without causing >> it >> damage. The top parts are rubber stuff when you need to do any machine >> job >> on the alloy stuff you dont need any marks etc on the working surface. >> The 4 holding faces stop crush damage. >> A nice bit of gear. >> I use two nylon vee blocks to hold model pistons in the machine vice. I >> also make a plastic collet for holding in the lath chuck. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle.NSW Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Dickerson" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:07 PM >> Subject: [SEL] What is it? >> >> >>> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >>> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him in >>> the >>> mid70s) >>> >>> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >>> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a lot of >>> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >>> >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >>> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Aug 5 06:31:49 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:31:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Chris Boyens Message-ID: Hi all Is Chris Boyens on either engine list please or does anyone have a contact number for him? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 07:29:53 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:29:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> On Aug 5, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start > passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't > have ... ! You can start by selling me that bum crack Campbell motor... From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Aug 5 15:50:04 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:50:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> You already have one, ..... greedy man At 12:29 AM 6/08/2010, you wrote: >On Aug 5, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Sounds like all you folk want me to have it so bad you better start > > passing the hat around to pick up the 90% costs that I don't > > have ... ! > > >You can start by selling me that bum crack Campbell motor... > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 16:03:07 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:03:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Corruption in KY must be slow In-Reply-To: <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <437968.96591.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100804111107.0FCCB338302@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> <5cb3d7d832a0b2f2950b18af68f73027.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <005401cb3420$157491f0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <20100805120527.42464318891@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au> <54B874AD-A653-412D-B5AF-CD2EAECA36FE@rustyiron.com> <20100805225004.B1943304478@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <09328DD5-D6CE-417A-8622-2C183BB1CDB4@rustyiron.com> On Aug 5, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > You already have one, ..... greedy man I want to be with Campbells like you are with Hornsbys. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 8 10:31:13 2010 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:31:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home Message-ID: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1@aol.com> Has any one used this product shown in the following? _http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx _ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 8 11:11:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:11:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1@aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds a lot like Evapo Rust. Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of FRM8198 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home Has any one used this product shown in the following? _http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx _ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3050 - Release Date: 08/08/10 06:35:00 From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 8 13:15:41 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> As with most "piston vises" Bill, it's a vise into which a piston is placed (and held) in order to work on the fore-mentioned piston! Dave PS, Glad to be of help! PPS, Books, school, eat! On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've > "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him > in the > mid70s) > > He called it a "piston vise"............. ? > This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a > lot of > stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. > > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg > http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From doubled.66 at verizon.net Sun Aug 8 16:17:40 2010 From: doubled.66 at verizon.net (JANA DAVIS) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:17:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help Message-ID: <000601cb374f$e683c310$2101a8c0@David> I am looking for someone to haul a 30 inch flywheel with the crank still attached to from Portland to some where close to Pittsburgh Pa . If you can help me out please let me know . From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 16:44:50 2010 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:44:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help References: <000601cb374f$e683c310$2101a8c0@David> Message-ID: Try Arnie or Dave. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANA DAVIS" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland to Pittsburgh PA. help >I am looking for someone to haul a 30 inch flywheel with the crank still >attached to from Portland to some where close to Pittsburgh Pa . If you can >help me out please let me know . > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 8 18:59:44 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:59:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: Hi All, I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the engine--30's when I start it and 60+ on real hot days after it warms up. It ran at about 40-42 0n Thursday and the same on Friday (perhaps only 34 in the early afternoon.) Then about 2:30 it slowed to only about 20 revs between hits, and as Arnie and I watched (and listened) to 14-16. I shut it down and began checking things out. First I checked out the temperature of the rod and main bearing caps--95 degrees which is about normal. Next Arnie and I turned the engine over by hand. Clearly something was "binding" somewhere! We then removed the rod cap and examines the journal and the brasses. Everything was normal. Next with the rod disconnected we turned the flywheels over and it was smooth as silk with no tightness noted. So we reconnected the rod and rolled it over. Tightness noted, Must be something with the piston? Arnie suggested that the cylinder/piston might be all gummed up and that perhaps some gasoline poured down the oiler hole might free things up. So while Arnie turned the flywheels I poured about a 1/4 pint of gasoline down the oiler hole. THE ENGINE loosed up almost immediately! We started the Galloway and the first time over it made 32 revs before it hit! PROBLEM SOLVED! Two minutes later it was down to 16 revs and after several cycles I shut the Galloway down and Arnie and I had another beer on which to think! It took a while, but after some time I said "You know Arnie the only thing I changed (about two years ago) is to go to non detergent oil because you pointed out that after a rain it left no white residue" Arnie replied, "That's for an engine 'wipe down', not in the oilers!" OPPS! I did not run the engine at all on Saturday! Today after I got home I took the piston out and now have it soaking in the parts cleaner--the rings are loose. I also removed the ignitor and gunked the cylinder well. Tomorrow I'll do that again. I'll then wipe down the piston and cylinder and reinstall the piston and replace the oil in the oiler. Baraboo and Portland will "tell the tail!" Dave From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Sun Aug 8 19:53:14 2010 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:53:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5F6D9A.8040903@matthewsfarm.com> Interesting, keep us informed as to the results. Thanks for the information Bob -- << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the > > From gastzt at aol.com Sun Aug 8 20:03:45 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:03:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: HMMmmmmmm! Wonder how synthetic would SCARE the engine? Stan From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 06:22:49 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:22:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> Message-ID: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of day in both cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, How many fish did you catch in lake Rotigel ? Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty fairgrounds and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in Ohio. We had it all!! Doug Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage machines together I know of anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly from him yet. The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line up of Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is 386 This included the Briggs engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam even brought the infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs engines missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not know what it was. Talk about Corn, we roasted 45 dozen ears! And cut up 25 musk melons Friday evening. ONCE again my hats off to you the exhibitor!! The efforts of all to bring this display of equipment together and do it SAFELY is just amazing! I know that many times I was asked to pass on Thank You to the volunteers that organize the show and we appreciate that. But without you the Exhibitor we would only have an empty grounds. You fill it, You and your machines are the reason for the show and the heart of it. Thank You!!! We would like to hear your suggestions as to how we could make the show and your experience better for next year. There is one important event that many forget about and that is the Membership banquet that we have every November held usually about the second weekend. If you want an invitation to it and you do not get it before October 1 let us know. This meeting is important. At that banquet we the members can nominate and vote for to elect the Trustees that will represent us the members. The best way to influence the organization is to vote in the people that have your views and ideas. These Trustees then elect your Officers, Pres, V-Pres, Secretary, and Treasurer. Your vote counts, Come to the Banquet. See you all at Portland. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 9 07:36:46 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> On Aug 8, 2010, at 6:59 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. Another variable that might be a factor is the drip rate. Don't you set your oilers to 0.024 drops per minute? Perhaps a more LIBERAL application of lubricants would affect the running characteristics. If not, then just fill the oilers with gasoline?it seems to do the trick. Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 9 07:56:56 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Okay Dave: What was the problem? Stuck rings? Crud on the cylinder wall? Whut??!! Maybe you have experienced some "history" first-hand. There was probably a good reason why them scientist guys at the oil companies came up with detergent oils. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:00 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil > > > Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP > Galloway at Findlay From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 9 07:59:35 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:59:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <949419CE33784B8CA4FF9DFF7E7E6793@laruecounty.courthouse> And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you don't care. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY If not, then just fill the oilers with gasoline-it seems to do the trick. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 9 08:22:51 2010 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:22:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> References: <8CA663B0-1CBD-4EBC-9E3D-17C3A4516C60@me.com> Message-ID: <938ae2a0534ace2704f48f933d5f4cf2.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Thanks - and to think it took a tenured professor to explain that! Bill > As with most "piston vises" Bill, it's a vise into which a piston is > placed (and held) in order to work on the fore-mentioned piston! > Dave > PS, Glad to be of help! > PPS, Books, school, eat! > > On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > >> My former boss gave it to my father to give to me as a gift (I've >> "inherited" a LOT of the tools we used to use when I worked for him >> in the >> mid70s) >> >> He called it a "piston vise"............. ? >> This is one tool I don't recall, but he ran an old shop and had a >> lot of >> stuff from the 50s and 60s, and I bet some stuff from earlier. >> >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-001.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-002.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-003.jpg >> http://antique-engines.com/images/misc/vise-004.jpg >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Aug 9 08:30:19 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:30:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> References: <4791F210-25FC-43F1-BAC3-CAE4D62438C5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4C601F0B.1040808@accnorwalk.com> > > Another variable that might be a factor is the drip rate. Don't you > set your oilers to 0.024 drops per minute? > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > I think your on to something here, Rob. The one million to one rate isn't quite as effective on the Galloway as it is a Maytag only because the flywheel is bigger!! Doug T From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Aug 9 08:50:51 2010 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:50:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> Mark, our count consists of all motorized lawn and garden equipment. Our official count was 961 pieces of equipment on display. I would be willing to bet you missed quite a few Briggs because it seems to me the ratio of Briggs powered equipment would have been off?? It really doesn't make a difference, no matter how you slice the musk melon it was still a fantastic show!! I sure didn't hear any negatives on the displays!! Can't wait to get to Portland and rest up. ha-ha Doug T Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it > safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of > day in both > > cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through > most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, > How many fish did > > you catch in lake Rotigel ? > > Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty fairgrounds > and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in Ohio. We had it > all!! Doug > > Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America > motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage machines > together I know of > > anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly from > him yet. > > The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line up of > Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is 386 This > included the Briggs > > engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two > here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam > even brought the > > infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs engines > missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not know what it > was. > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 09:05:02 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:05:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Mark, thanks to you and your buds for putting on another FINE show. As to the fish in the pond, some little kid took two nice smallmouth bass, but Dave and I were skunked. One question... What are the dates for the 2011 show, we want to make motel reservations. I think it's Aug. 4-7, 2011. It was in the show flyer, but somewhere along the line that got pitched. See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 9:22 am, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did it > safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time of > day in both > cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through > most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. Arnie, > How many fish did you catch in lake Rotigel ? > From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Aug 9 09:35:43 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available In-Reply-To: <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>, <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>, <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>, <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>, <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com>, <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi folks out there in Engine Land; Would any of you know of an Engine / Show site / Org. that might be interested in a complete Engine Power plant set-up This is a Fairbanks 37 F-16 , 7 Cyl. overhauled in 1999 is very complete & in running condition. If there is any interest please let me know. Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 9 09:36:58 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:36:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:59:35 -0400 >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Message-ID: <949419CE33784B8CA4FF9DFF7E7E6793 at laruecounty.courthouse> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you don't >care. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy :-), That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car made a new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 09:58:30 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] English Engine Rallies Message-ID: Ron, Have a look at... http://www.melright.com/music/whatson.htm See ya, Arnie > --------------------------------- Original Message -------------------- > > Just a quick question. What engine rallies are coming up in England > this month and early September? > Thanks > Ron > Canberra From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 10:14:10 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:14:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9 August 2010 02:59, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > ? ? ? ?I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay > this weekend. We run the 11hp Ruston diesel on Morris Lubricants Golden Film oil. It's not a full detergent, just a straight 30 oil for older engines and cars: http://www.morrislubricantsonline.co.uk/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=165&product=Golden+Film+SAE+30+Classic+Motor+Oil Probably there's something equivalent in the USA? We have plenty of synthetic and semi-synthetic for the diesel vans and the Discovery V8 (semi-synthetic diesel oil 10W-40) but the Ruston is slow speed and doesn't really get hot enough to make multi-grades work properly. We have run quite a few hours now, and haven't changed any of the drip-rates, it still drags out a lot of dirt from the engine and the bore etc is fine. We did a bearing inspection after Nuenen and it all looks fine. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 10:24:06 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:24:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >> >> And if that doesn't work, just fill up with more beer. Then you >> don't >> care. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > Hi Tommy :-), > That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car > made a > new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" Dave From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 10:47:16 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:47:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> The piston and cylinder have both been cleaned well, and the piston has been reinstalled. Detergent oil has been put in the oiler and everything has been well oiled. The Galloway started the first time over and went 34 revs before hitting a second time. It's been running for about an hour now and has settled into a civilized 50 revs between hits! I'll not know conclusively if the non-detergent oil was the problem until the fall of 2013, but at this point that would seem to be the case! (I'm applying for a federal grant to study the situation!) Dave PS, Life is GOOD PPS, Life is even better at 40-plus revs between hits! On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Elden wrote: > Okay Dave: > > What was the problem? Stuck rings? Crud on the cylinder wall? > Whut??!! > > Maybe you have experienced some "history" first-hand. There was > probably a good reason why them scientist guys at the oil > companies came up with detergent oils. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:00 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >> >> >> Hi All, >> I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP >> Galloway at Findlay From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:08:12 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809183409.01e38ae0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!! On Mon, August 9, 2010 1:24 pm, David Rotigel wrote: >> That sounds like what my ex wife used to do. When the car made a >> new noise she just turned the radio up higher. It didn't work !!! >> > > Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" > Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 10:59:14 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:59:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show In-Reply-To: <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com> <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com> <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com> <4C6023DB.6050204@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <20100809175910.F423A93AA@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Doug, Great numbers !!! So close to 1000. Did you count the engine area? We had a number of pieces there too. 20-30 pieces I would estimate based on just three displays I can think of. I feel the count is fairly close. Besides the engine area we went through all the machines in the garden tractor and scooter area and the rows in the infield and the tent as well looking under the hoods. But I will admit that on the brands that did not normally factory install Briggs we did not look close at them so if there was a Briggs rigged into it we could have missed that. We even walked through the camping area east of the infield and the camping area to the north side to make sure to catch anything setting in camping. Even looked in the vending areas along the creek in case some were being displayed there along with a venders spot. That was a hoof covering the whole grounds. Only area we did not cover was the flea market on the north side. Did you get through there and see anything? Mark At 11:50 AM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >Mark, our count consists of all motorized lawn and garden equipment. >Our official count was 961 pieces of equipment on display. I would >be willing to bet you missed quite a few Briggs because it seems to >me the ratio of Briggs powered equipment would have been off?? It >really doesn't make a difference, no matter how you slice the musk >melon it was still a fantastic show!! I sure didn't hear any >negatives on the displays!! Can't wait to get to Portland and rest >up. ha-ha Doug T > > > > > >Mark Shulaw wrote: >> >>Holy Moly, Another Findlay show has come and gone already!! We did >>it safely and with only two rain events that came at the right time >>of day in both >> >>cases and did a great job of killing the dust. It was muggy through >>most of it but there seemed to be a good breeze all the time. >>Arnie, How many fish did >> >>you catch in lake Rotigel ? >> >> Once again the exhibitors came together to fill an empty >> fairgrounds and put on one of the biggest shows of its type in >> Ohio. We had it all!! Doug >> >>Tallman got the Vintage Garden Tractor Collectors of America >>motivated into action and got the largest number of Vintage >>machines together I know of >> >>anywhere. I have heard some figures but I have not heard directly >>from him yet. >> >> The Briggs collectors went out of their way to bring in a line >> up of Briggs to boggle the mind. The official Briggs count is >> 386 This included the Briggs >> >>engines also in equipment on display. We probably missed one or two >>here or there but its believed this is a pretty close number. Sam >>even brought the >> >>infamous S Stationary. I am not sure if there was any Briggs >>engines missing. If there was a letter Briggs missing I would not >>know what it was. >> > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:15:33 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:15:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> References: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: That is an interesting aspect of the 16 hp Galloway at the "tourist" shows like Apple & Arts. Gals are walking up the engine line with an armload of bundles from the artsy part of the show headed for the parking lot; not really paying much attention to the engines. The Galloway is just sitting there quietly turning over (solar powered?). The gals happen to be opposite the engine when she takes this deep intake snort, and BANG! she hits. Poor gals 'bout jump out of their knickers with a "Wot the HELL was THAT???" Dave and I are sitting there just snickering... Life is good (and amusing). On Mon, August 9, 2010 1:47 pm, David Rotigel wrote: > PPS, Life is even better at 40-plus revs between hits! See ya, Arnie From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 9 11:04:54 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:04:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:31:13 EDT >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <37e3c.138b2195.399043e1 at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Has any one used this product shown in the following? > >_http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx > > >_ (http://www.metalrescue.com/home.aspx) > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 Hi Francis, You've been quiet. Sounds like a great product and I checked to see if we can get it here (in South Africa). Bummer, look at their distribution page here: Africa does not even exist :-) (or Europe for that matter). Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 11:41:07 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:41:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out Metal Rescue - Home In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100809195414.01e351f8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <8cb6cd57647c7848a8e128f9f059437d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, There's your opportunity knocking mate!! All of Africa as YOUR territory. Just think of the PROFITS!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 2:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > You've been quiet. Sounds like a great product and I checked to > see if we can get it here (in South Africa). Bummer, look at their > distribution page here: > > Africa does not even exist :-) (or Europe for that matter). From jbcast at charter.net Mon Aug 9 12:36:09 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:36:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. J.B. Castagnos, B Belle Rose, LA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 13:11:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> Message-ID: <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Dave, have a care with this offer. The pieces of turtle shell and pelican feathers might alter the lubrication properties... See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you > want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. > J.B. Castagnos, > Belle Rose, LA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 9 14:10:38 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:10:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> JB, Bet you could make money selling little bottles of BP crude at the shows. Wonder if anyone is selling it on Ebay ? ;-) George On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you > want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. > J.B. Castagnos, > Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 15:09:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:09:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2FC47BD8-28F1-4BDE-8147-94E8B0D66F91@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Interesting problem. I run the big R&V on non-detergent oil with no problems in fact it is better than when I used to use detergent oil in it. Once it is warmed up it consistently gets 42 revolutions between firing. At one show I was asked 'what is that noise it makes every now and then?' I said that it was the engine firing. Back to oils; when I had the Austral at the Royal Easter Show someone put some cheap detergent oil in it. The next morning it was seized solid. I had to climb on the spokes to get the piston to move. Not happy. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 9 16:07:24 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:07:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a little later? RickinMt. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Aug 9 17:31:11 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:31:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100810003107.3354E9421@smtp.wcoil.com> I would tend to think that if non detergent oil is the problem it might really boil down to a particular brand from a particular refiner. Not all refiners crack from the same crude stock. So there may be characteristics from that which come into play. A paraffin based crude is generally accepted as being a crude that produces the best lubricants. But another 30W ND could be made from a Asphaltic-Base crude. And too refiners are not all the same. Mark At 07:07 PM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to >admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a >little later? > >RickinMt. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 9 17:37:42 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:37:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52644933-BF76-4066-9298-4146D37CA4B6@me.com> Hi Rick, Are you saying that when your elevator does not reach the top floor the detergent gets there a bit later? What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? Please clarify so that all can understand! Dave On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the > first to > admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent > come a > little later? > > RickinMt. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 9 18:01:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100810003107.3354E9421@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: I've figured this out folks. We need to find out the brand of oil Dave used. I've got several old hunks of iron here that have a great deal of blow by. The bore on the cylinder is worn out. If Dave's oil will "tighten" them up, then we've got an overhaul in a can! Come to think of it, this stuff may be good for other uses as well. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:31 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story I would tend to think that if non detergent oil is the problem it might really boil down to a particular brand from a particular refiner. Not all refiners crack from the same crude stock. So there may be characteristics from that which come into play. A paraffin based crude is generally accepted as being a crude that produces the best lubricants. But another 30W ND could be made from a Asphaltic-Base crude. And too refiners are not all the same. Mark At 07:07 PM 8/9/2010, you wrote: >A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to >admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a >little later? > >RickinMt. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3061 - Release Date: 08/09/10 18:35:00 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 18:12:44 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:12:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20100809153609.V4DL6.9813851.root@mp07> <518521762d709cbb5041461cf4a1e86f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F43C46910@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <84f85dc8531a9cbf5f8907f40300814c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> JB, It looks like eBay is wide open for GOM BP crude oil sales!! Maybe even put some in the Portland Charity Auction? See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 5:10 pm, Best, George wrote: > JB, > Bet you could make money selling little bottles of BP crude at the shows. > Wonder if anyone is selling it on Ebay ? ;-) > > On Mon, August 9, 2010 3:36 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> Dave, I can bring a couple gallons of BP crude with and without dispersants if you >> want to further your studies, let me know, I'll deliver to Portland. >> J.B. Castagnos, >> Belle Rose, LA > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 18:18:06 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:18:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ec53f8bec2c21a3d22402d51bd8fd8f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rick, Not relevant. When the Galloway was working for a living, you can bet your boots that it never coasted 40 revs between hits. It was belted up powering a big apple grinding / pressing operation up in the NW. It's only now that it's leading a luxury life as a show pony that it gets to loaf along. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 9, 2010 7:07 pm, Richard Strobel wrote: > > A Galloway engine doesn't like non-detergent oil?? I'll be the first to > admit my elevator doesn't go to the top floor..but didn't detergent come a > little later? From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Aug 9 20:58:51 2010 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:58:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available In-Reply-To: References: <20100720.110815.27590.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>, , <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F42F81838@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>, , <590F2FC4-84E4-4D2F-A3C9-BF1F9B891EE9@rustyiron.com>, , <70a40194cdb027e9473956fb3629518c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, , <6319.33692.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , , <803322.71830.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <8D6C61A2-4D6F-4A7C-B825-D825F673F743@me.com>, , <20100809132246.93C9793E6@smtp.wcoil.com>, , <297d57995869b60a1c537f05ef655cef.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>, Message-ID: HMmmmmmmmmmmmmm aint anybody even courious what 50 tons of Engine looks like ? with 16 " bore & 20" stroke & 300 RPM Max Best Regards Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:35:43 -0400 > Subject: [SEL] Large Fairbanks Morse Engine / Generator Available > > > > > Hi folks out there in Engine Land; > > Would any of you know of an Engine / Show site / Org. that might > be interested in a complete Engine Power plant set-up > > This is a Fairbanks 37 F-16 , 7 Cyl. overhauled in 1999 > is very complete & in running condition. > > If there is any interest please let me know. > > Best Regards > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Aug 10 00:38:00 2010 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil Message-ID: <737372.82097.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What.. Dave posting a message about old engines. Who lives closest to Dave and can go check him out? Check his temperature, just make sure he can't bite the thermometer. Graham in Oz >Hi All, > I had an interesting experience with the 16 HP Galloway at Findlay >this weekend. I typically get 32-60+ revs between each "hit" on the >engine--30's when I start it and 60+ on real hot days after it warms From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 10 05:21:33 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:21:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <52644933-BF76-4066-9298-4146D37CA4B6@me.com> Message-ID: Rick & Dave: Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when they are retired. Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the non-detergent oils of the time. Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring grooves, causing ring binding. I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:38 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > Hi Rick, > Are you saying that when your elevator does not > reach the top floor > the detergent gets there a bit later? What does this > have to do with > the discussion at hand? Please clarify so that all can > understand! > Dave From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 05:56:06 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:56:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: Elden- Your opinion is a very good one----my dad and my uncle both had one of the hit-miss! They used them on the water-well pumpjacks--(which I did acquire---)--- Both were Stovers---- they would yank the head off, remove the piston assembly and really clean it up good, then stuff it back together (same rings etc)---, adjust the rod-shims, then let 'er rip for another maybe 2 years or so! My dad ran his (4hp) rather slow, but my uncle (his brother), ran the crap out of his-----HIGH RPM's----I need to re-do the babbits on that one---ha! It is a 5hp----but luckey for me, I ended up with all of it, pumpjacks and all----sure is fun stuff! Guess it don't hurt to clean them up now and then! Take care all--- Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Tx ps: I use synthetic when I can---sure works great! Only thing is the $$----yuk! From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 06:33:49 2010 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:33:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story References: Message-ID: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not changed much. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Rick & Dave: Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when they are retired. Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the non-detergent oils of the time. Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring grooves, causing ring binding. I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 06:44:54 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:44:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden, That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going through at Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 8:21 am, Elden wrote: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 06:44:29 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yea, pretty much parallels what Arnie said. Guess I've never used non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) Thanks Elden Rick > Rick & Dave: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. > > I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, > worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 06:46:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:46:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> Message-ID: Be cool to see the 16 on a prony brake and see the results. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kirkes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about > weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in > old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed > for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was > foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be > prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not > changed much. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > Rick & Dave: > > Methink that in the days these engines were working for a > living, > they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, > when > they are retired. > > Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down > periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the > non-detergent oils of the time. > > Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of > detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring > grooves, causing ring binding. > > I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my > opinion, > worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 06:47:12 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:47:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: Arnie--- that BOTTOM line is the BEST part---LOL Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 06:59:26 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:59:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 07:18:26 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:18:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a454c9b084eb4c247f6aa6380863cc1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Rick, Most any decent auto parts store carries 30 wt non-detergent oil. I mix it 50-50 with kero and spray the mix on old, original finish engines to glam them up a bit. As Dave mentioned, when that "recipe" gets rained on or when the engine is covered and water evaporating from the hopper condenses and wets the finish, it doesn't turn a yukky white like a detergent oil will. See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 9:44 am, Richard Strobel wrote: > yea, pretty much parallels what Arnie said. Guess I've never used > non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 10 07:19:19 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:19:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> Wow, that's a lot of oil to be pouring down that babe. But as has been stated, an engine hooked to a saw, grinder or similar piece of equipment would run hotter, burn out the oil, etc. I still don't see why Dave's engine acted as it did by seizing up a bit with the ND oil. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Aug 10 08:08:12 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> Prioritys Prioritys, Counting drips or watching gals, What yah think they were watching. Good engine men can do BOTH! With a Beer or Whiskey in each hand and a fishing line in the waters of Lake Rotigel. Walked by several times and seen them at their finest! Mark At 09:59 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > > through at > > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > >While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the >"drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > >One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says >two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > >Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > >Rob > Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:19:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:19:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34B60CD5-A327-45F9-A997-0CE620B5B85A@me.com> Wal Mart, any auto supply store, K-mart etc. Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Guess I've never used > non-detergent, wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to. :-) > > Thanks Elden > Rick > > > >> Rick & Dave: >> >> Methink that in the days these engines were working for a living, >> they probably ran hotter and with leaner mixtures than now, when >> they are retired. >> >> Also, back then, I kinda think that they were torn down >> periodically to remove carbon and other clag left by the >> non-detergent oils of the time. >> >> Nowadays, running rich and cool and without the benefit of >> detergent additives, carbon is likely to build-up in ring >> grooves, causing ring binding. >> >> I could be wrong here (and probably am) but that's my opinion, >> worth exactly what you paid for it. :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:22:34 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:22:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Two drops per minute per HP was the general recomendation. That, of course, is if the engine is working. I, typically, set the Galloway for around 4 to 5 drops per minute. Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >> That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going >> through at >> Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > > While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the > "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > > One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says > two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > > Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:32:04 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:32:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> References: <6BB433B88BC34C2D9D78D735AF6482FE@laruecounty.courthouse> Message-ID: <98C79111-3BC6-4E88-80BF-BDF98AFE50FD@me.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I still don't see why Dave's > engine acted as it did by seizing up a bit with the ND oil. > > Tommy Turner It was a goooooy/gummmmy mess when I took it apart Tommy! The rings were free, but VERY sticky, as was the piston and cylinder. The 30 weight ND I was using was the house brand from Tractor Supply, but of the 4 or 5 qts. that I've used over the past 2 years most have come from Wal-Mart. Dave From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 09:51:55 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:51:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <20100810150811.6C93F938E@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3F296C9F-DE89-4916-8CB3-602058258AE7@me.com> As Arnie is want to say "Engine shows are very tiring" when done properly! Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Prioritys Prioritys, Counting drips or watching gals, What yah think > they were watching. Good engine men can do BOTH! With a Beer or > Whiskey in each hand and a fishing line in the waters of Lake > Rotigel. Walked by several times and seen them at their > finest! Mark > > > > > At 09:59 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: > >> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>> That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going >>> through at >>> Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. >> >> >> While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother to count the >> "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? >> >> One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, another manual says >> two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. >> >> Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. >> >> Rob >> > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 10 10:19:40 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:19:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100810191822.01c59ad8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 10/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:24:06 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil >Jerry, If the radio didn't work why did she turn it "up higher?" > Dave O.K. Dave, You got me that time :-) Jerry From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 10 10:25:03 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: On my Homebrew Hvid engine, I set the rate to between two and three drops per minute. If they are slobbering a little oil past the piston skirt and aren't running hot or making rude noises, that seems to be enough. Also, when the engine is stopped, if I can feel oilyness on the cylinder wall, it's okay. On the McVickerish engine, I'm presently tweaking it to run well and it seems to be happy with a little over two drops per minute. Any more than that and it looks like it's got a lot of blowby but the smoke is really only the expelled gas from the valve actuator cylinder. I suppose more is better to a point. Personally, I use either single weight (30W) detergent or 15W-40. It depends on what I happen to fill the oil can with. Some time, I may try some of the low-ash 15W-40 synthetic I use in the Jetta. It should work okay and is not supposed to burn so the smoke may be less. Ain't it fun! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story > > > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave > and I were going > > through at > > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > > While you guys were drinking beer, did anyone bother > to count the > "drops per minute" of the non-detergent oil? > > One manual I have says fifteen drops per minute, > another manual says > two drops per minute per inch of bore diameter. > > Oiling on an engine is not like vermouthing a martini. > > Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 12:48:37 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:48:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> I just love that 15-40 synthetic---works great! The rings and cylinder love it---ha! Stan From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 15:36:38 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:36:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> About then (10 or so years ago) I got into a discussion with John Culp (who seems to be well versed regarding petrochemistry) about this issue. His feeling was, as I recall, that the early oil was far different from today's non-detergent oil in that it contained natural products that acted in some respect as detergents. With today's refining technology non-detergent oil is not the same product as "pre-detergent" oil. Larry Evans At 06:33 AM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >About ten years ago the list nearly went to war about >weather non detergent or detergent oil should be used in >old engines. Some holding that the engines were designed >for use with non detergent oil, others stating that it was >foolish to use old fashioned oil and engine life would be >prolonged with detergent oil. I see that opinions have not >changed much. > >Jim > >Jim and Diane Kirkes >jd.kirkes at verizon.net Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 15:44:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> Message-ID: <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> Have you tested the 15-40 syn against 10-40 detergent? At what speed did you test the difference? Over a period of how many years? Dave PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a difference given the number of years I have left. On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, gastzt at aol.com wrote: > I just love that 15-40 synthetic---works great! The rings and > cylinder > love it---ha! > Stan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 16:16:36 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:16:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> John was considered to be an expert in many things Larry! Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Larry Evans wrote: > About then (10 or so years ago) I got into a discussion with John > Culp (who > seems to be well versed regarding petrochemistry) about this issue. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Tue Aug 10 16:46:46 2010 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:46:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> What's this - you have gals at rallies? Do you need special permits or permission for this? :) Mark On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Elden, > > That's pretty much the line of thinking that Dave and I were going > through at > Findlay while sipping beer and watching the gals walk by. > > See ya, Arnie > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:00:35 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:00:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <665d4.21e74315.39934223@aol.com> Well Dave--- I'm in the same boat---I only use it in the cylinder-dripper----! I am 70---and really haven't had time to test it much-----I only run the old engines here at the house lately--(we just moved here and haven't had time to get squared away yet---) Hopefully next year will be more of an engine-time/show time fun thing!---- Hope to get my 8hp Stover up and going this fall---- gee---too much to do--LOL-- Stan Pleasanton, Tx only thing going now is my old 5hp Economy----LOL----got about 6 others to get out of moth-balls after moving! From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:01:56 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:01:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <666e3.d5c95e9.39934274@aol.com> Actually I did use 15-40 det oil----(for a bunch of years at my other old place)----had no trouble at all--- Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:15:47 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:15:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> Message-ID: <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a > difference given the number of years I have left. No! Use the good oil NOW. I don't want to have to re-ring the Galloway after I buy it from your widow. Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 17:23:00 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:23:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <678c0.1ec2fc93.39934764@aol.com> OH MY LORD! ha Stan From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:27:15 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <69223FC5-407E-4D5D-BE46-5546F9EF4AC4@rustyiron.com> On Aug 10, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Mark Kennedy wrote: > What's this - you have gals at rallies? > > Do you need special permits or permission for this? > > :) > > Mark Mark, Here in the United States, men like having women at rallies. In fact we consider them almost as fun to watch as we do engines. If Aussies like watching men and engines, that's ok, too. It doesn't make you bad people. In fact, I have some very good friends who are Aussies. From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 10 17:41:09 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:41:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:22 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Two drops per minute per HP was the general recomendation. That, of > course, is if the engine is working. I, typically, set the Galloway > for around 4 to 5 drops per minute. > Dave Hey, Dave. I used to know this very smart bloke. John was his name. He knew more about oil than I'll ever know. You could drive around with him and he would be able to tell you the geological features below ground, if there was oil present, and at what depth. Sadly, John never saw his 21st birthday. Anyway, one early morning, I was wandering about the showgrounds, and John was tinkering with his engine. He called me over and told me how he liked to use way oil on all his engines. He had me wipe some oil onto my finger from the running engine. I did, and he explained that the milkiness was from condensation, but that it would go away as soon as the engine warmed up. He had me feel the stickiness of the oil, and noted how it was unlike modern motor oil, which didn't seem to stick to exposed metal surfaces. John was almost reverent in his observation of the oil. The man truly loved petroleum, it was in his veins. Since that day, I began using way oil on the engines. I usually have plenty on hand for the machine tools, so it's not inconvenient to use. Perhaps it's more expensive than Brand X Motor Oil, but the way oil makes me happy, and sometimes when I use it, I think of my friend, John. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 18:32:24 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:32:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mark, On Tue, August 10, 2010 7:46 pm, Mark Kennedy wrote: > What's this - you have gals at rallies? YEP, hotties too. > Do you need special permits or permission for this? Nope. And we don't even protect 'em from the engine blokes behind fences. See ya, Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 10 18:27:50 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:27:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> References: <8f054.18b15909.39930715@aol.com> <760A7E88-7A3A-4CD9-AF8D-48B2458E85CC@me.com> <8958F1F6-CADC-4C8A-B952-628DD3B803E9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Has she advertised that damn engine already? Dave On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:44 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a >> difference given the number of years I have left. > > No! Use the good oil NOW. I don't want to have to re-ring the > Galloway after I buy it from your widow. > > Rob From gastzt at aol.com Tue Aug 10 18:36:45 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:36:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <77d70.718f01f0.399358ad@aol.com> HEY DAVE------ I feel for ya'---LOL--- I'm in the same ol' boat----ha! Stan Z From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 19:01:39 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:01:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: <5BE189DA-E1CE-4C62-89E9-9ED2D1E7094D@rustyiron.com> <2AB20BF8-10C3-44F0-9F88-6AE207E7A39B@me.com> Message-ID: John was a VERY wise man!! I'll never forget the toast he offered at dinner one evening.... "Here's to our wives and to our lovers." "May they never meet." On Tue, August 10, 2010 8:41 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > I used to know this very smart bloke. John was his name. He knew > more about oil than I'll ever know. > You could drive around with him and he would be able to tell you the > geological features below ground, if there was oil present, and at > what depth. Sadly, John never saw his 21st birthday. > > Anyway, one early morning, I was wandering about the showgrounds, and > John was tinkering with his engine. He called me over and told me how > he liked to use way oil on all his engines. He had me wipe some oil > onto my finger from the running engine. I did, and he explained that > the milkiness was from condensation, but that it would go away as soon > as the engine warmed up. He had me feel the stickiness of the oil, > and noted how it was unlike modern motor oil, which didn't seem to > stick to exposed metal surfaces. > > John was almost reverent in his observation of the oil. The man truly > loved petroleum, it was in his veins. > > Since that day, I began using way oil on the engines. I usually have > plenty on hand for the machine tools, so it's not inconvenient to > use. Perhaps it's more expensive than Brand X Motor Oil, but the way > oil makes me happy, and sometimes when I use it, I think of my friend, > John. From don.h at wcoil.com Tue Aug 10 18:56:34 2010 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:56:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop><6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> Message-ID: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> what has happen to John Culp Don in Ohio From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 19:19:17 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop><6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> Message-ID: <796746633f0c100a977600cc4118f239.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I think he mainly plays on Facebook these days. On Tue, August 10, 2010 9:56 pm, Don Heringhaus wrote: > what has happen to John Culp > Don in Ohio From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Aug 10 20:42:02 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:42:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 20:47:57 2010 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:47:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> References: <03074C8F4EC04CD58F17A17915468B57@Desktop> <6.0.1.1.2.20100810152247.04d86ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <6B0F692C-F30F-4B99-805C-7D8F310A579E@me.com> <42685729A345461EA9E9A343FE23A940@gusPC> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20100810204559.03d03920@pop.att.yahoo.com> Don, I don't know what he has been up to lately but he did post a message on Jim's list (oldengine.org) a little more than a week ago. Larry At 06:56 PM 8/10/2010, you wrote: >what has happen to John Culp >Don in Ohio >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From gop4evr at lsol.net Tue Aug 10 22:40:44 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:40:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC1 0DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au><1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4C6237DC.2070305@lsol.net> I remember that. The most remarkable thing was that all thw while she was preeining in front of the camera, there was some real work being done just a few yards away with a 12 hp Herc belted to a stubborn 7 hp Herc. Seemed to me that was an appropriate photo opportunity. I think that was the year the train derailed just down the road from the show too. Nels Manitowoc WI On 8/10/10 10:42 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg > > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldironnut at windstream.net Wed Aug 11 05:27:39 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:27:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg Lincoln and I arrived to the show grounds just after she adorned you Herc. That was his first show and he still goes to a show looking for Info Babes! Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 11 09:55:31 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:55:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith, Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 10, 2010 11:42 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: > Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg From oldironnut at windstream.net Wed Aug 11 10:05:26 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:05:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Keith, > > Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? > Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." > 8-)) So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! Mike > On Tue, August 10, 2010 11:42 pm, Keith Kinney wrote: >> Who remembers this gal at the SIAM show a few years ago??? :-) >> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Info%20Babe%202.jpg ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 11 10:21:58 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:21:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: "Have you tested the 15-40 syn against 10-40 detergent? At what speed did you test the difference? Over a period of how many years? Dave PS, I ask the above because I need to know if it will make a difference given the number of years I have left." Bought a new water heater. Guy asked if I wanted six year, nine year, or 12 year warranty. Hell, it doesn't matter. They're all a lifetime warranty to me. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From gastzt at aol.com Wed Aug 11 10:35:27 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:35:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story Message-ID: <947c0.1de9f548.3994395f@aol.com> AMEN on the water heater warranty-----LOL Stan From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 11 11:10:25 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:10:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> Message-ID: <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! I KNEW he was precocious!! On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: > On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >> 8-)) > > So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! > > Mike From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 11 12:12:20 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7EC10DA7-91FE-4CAB-8998-51B44AE7D748@netconnect.com.au> <1bfc7e3846b4b906dfe4b171ca78f296.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <576A1597-9611-4EC7-ABFC-64B5A6B07C07@herculesengines.com> <53137B99-9E5A-414E-92EE-F0EDC72574B8@windstream.net> <2ce4bbed4f38db47c59c8bdb385c91be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6006FE2F-0913-4408-8EE9-9ACE51C8792D@me.com> OK, but why is the fluff chick even included in this subject/thread? Granted I have not seen her in a long time, but to the best of my memory she needed no lubrication. Dave On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > ROFLMAO!!! I KNEW he was precocious!! > > On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >>> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >>> 8-)) >> >> So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! >> >> Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 16:06:26 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT In-Reply-To: <6006FE2F-0913-4408-8EE9-9ACE51C8792D@me.com> Message-ID: <643770.86247.qm@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Really now, Dave. I am sure you know what OT means. In this case it means the subject is leaving the lubrication topic. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 8/11/10, David Rotigel wrote: From: David Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Non-detergent Oil--The Rest Of The Story OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 3:12 PM OK, but why is the fluff chick even included in this subject/thread?? Granted I have not seen her in a long time, but to the best of my? memory she needed no lubrication. ??? Dave On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > ROFLMAO!!!? I KNEW he was precocious!! > > On Wed, August 11, 2010 1:05 pm, Michael Tucker wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> Man, who could possibly forget the Fluff Chick? >>> Or the fact that later in the show you were selling "seat sniffs." >>> 8-)) >> >> So THAT'S why Lincoln kept asking me for dollar bills!!! >> >> Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Aug 13 15:48:53 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:48:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rental cars from ORD Chicago info wanted. Message-ID: Hi guys I am going through the maze of rental cars from ORD, Chicago airport, anyone out there that can lead me in the right direction. I am just trying to get around their insurances RIP OFF. My travel insurance has a $3000 motor vehicle excess. I remember watching a show here in Oz, "Current Affair" I think it was, where they said that even though you insure these rental cars it is worth basically nothing with all the loop holes. Contact me OFF LIST at plowe at exemail.com.au if you can actually help with advise. I am going from Chicago ORD and back to Chicago ORD Airport. Some of the companies listed at ORD are: AVIS HERTZ ALAMO ENTERPRISE DOLLAR THRIFTY BUDGET NATIONAL Regards Peter, Oz From yostsw at atis.net Fri Aug 13 16:21:18 2010 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:21:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... Message-ID: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the skids are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine onto the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it running by the end of the week. I am missing several things for the engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone with oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, propane stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing to sell, bring it on to Portland! Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I should somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am not sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could not use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. The steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking is screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is this really necessary? I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. As for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it on in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or moved. Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be much appreciated! Take care, Spencer Yost From rotigel at me.com Fri Aug 13 18:57:59 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:57:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <5FA3FB5C-A751-4F75-95D1-9DCEC76759B0@me.com> On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine > during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine > will > finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the > skids > are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine > onto > the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will > happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and > skids here: > > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 VER nice Steve! > > > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it > running by the end of the week. We will be setting up the ATIS engine area on Friday ("We" meand Bob Matthews) > I am missing several things for the > engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone > with > oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, > propane > stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing > to sell, bring it on to Portland! What kind of gasket material do you need? Head? Water? How big? > > > Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the > engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I > should > somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am > not > sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could > not > use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since > those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. > The > steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to > bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking > is > screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom > skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" > bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So > that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the > bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the > engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really > hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is > this > really necessary? Yes to the first question, no to the second! > I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good > for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. If you get in a serious accident with a #10,000 gvw trailer the 6 bolts will be the least of your problems! > As > for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it > on > in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or > moved. > > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! If this will be a dedicated trailer then bolt it down. If not then don't bother. Two straps over the skid will be more than enough when it's running. Bring blocking in order to get the trailer up off it's wheels while running. I take for granted that you will be at the ATIS dinner on Thursday! > > > > Take care, > > Spencer Yost Dave From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Sat Aug 14 03:06:24 2010 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:06:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: where is the engine, why have a trailer when the engine is only a mounting frame Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" ; Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:21 AM Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will > finally be at Portland this year. The trailer is finished, the skids > are finished, and I am just waiting on the crane to lift the engine onto > the skids and the whole shooing match onto the trailer. This will > happen this Friday. Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids > here: > > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 > > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition an hope to have it > running by the end of the week. I am missing several things for the > engine so I actually could use stuff. So this is call for anyone with > oiling trees, oilers, wicks, various plumbing, gasket material, propane > stuff, piping anything you think I might could use and you are willing > to sell, bring it on to Portland! > > Also, I could use some thoughts and ideas on loading and mounting the > engine. Some folks - one in particular I really trust - think I should > somehow bolt the engine to the trailer. I like the idea, but I am not > sure I can bolt this in any meaningful way . To bolt down, I could not > use the hardened all-thread that is bolting the engine and skids since > those won't line up with the steel under the deck of the trailer. The > steel under the decking is 2"x4" 'L' irons and these are all I have to > bolt to. The 2" leg is the horizontal portion (the part the decking is > screwed to), so I imagine I could drill 3/4" holes through the bottom > skid, through the deck, and then through these irons and use 3/4" > bolts. I have three irons crossing under the length of the skids. So > that would be total of 6(three on each side) 3/4" bolts holding the > bottom skid to the trailer while my 6 hardened all-thread holds the > engine and skids together. My question: Would 6 3/4" bolts really > hold a 6000+ pound engine while running and even if they would, is this > really necessary? I plan to obviously chain and strap the sucker good > for traveling and those bolts wouldn't help in an accident anyway. As > for running - it wasn't bolted to the concrete foundation I found it on > in PA. It was just sitting on it and it obviously never shimmied or > moved. > > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! > > > Take care, > > Spencer Yost > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 14 09:31:34 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:31:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Spencer WHO? Anyone know this guy? On Fri, August 13, 2010 7:21 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: > OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a > great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years > since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will > finally be at Portland this year. From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Aug 14 09:26:31 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:26:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> Message-ID: <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this > year. Wow, Spencer. That's exciting. I wish Kelley and I were going to be there to see her debut. > Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: > http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 Nice! > The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the > week at Portland getting it in running condition Fun idea. > Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would be > much appreciated! The feng shui is maximized when the engine is on the ground. Getting the engine on the ground is serious business that is best considered before you begin. I would use 2" pipes for rollers, and plenty of 'em. Trailer ramps must be stout. If you can unload onto asphalt, you're golden. If you're going to set up on dirt, especially in the Portland Mud Bog, bring 2x10s onto which you can roll the engine. Pipes generally don't roll well over dry dirt. In and out is controlled with a winch mounted at the front of your trailer. You can use a come-a-long, but that gets old. Use a GOOD come-a-long. Two can be nice to have. Up and down is controlled with a mechanical toe jack. Two can be nice to have. I build skids with the toe jack in mind. I've seen original skids such as yours that have a cross member near each end, off the ground a ways. Those are nice places to lift from. A 5' or 6' pry bar is also handy. An assortment of short blocks is also handy. It would be nice to have someone experienced in moving heavy stuff show you their method for your first time. Whatever you do, use only one or two trustworthy helpers-NO MORE. You don't need a bunch of "experts" buzzing around and turning a serious project into a dangerous project. Hints: There will be two points that might come as a surprise. One, is when the center of gravity rolls over the apex of the trailer/ ramps. The engine will begin to tip from level to a nose-down attitude. At this point, you'll want one roller near the apex, and the engine can pivot on that roller. That's why you need a straight pull on your winch, to keep it from turning all cattywampus. Go slow, keep it under control. The second surprise is when the engine reaches the bottom of the ramps and digs right into the ground. If you've placed your rollers properly, you might avoid this. Otherwise, just jack it up a little and stick another roller under there. Be careful, as you're now beneath the load. Go slow, keep it under control. Principles: With 2" pipes, you're never more than 2.5" off the ground. The higher off the ground you are, the more precarious you become. Keep it low. For your first time, keep four pipes under the engine. It adds stability. Prime directive: Captain Kirk had a Prime Directive. You have two: 1. Don't hurt anyone. 2. Don't hurt your engine. Have fun with your new toy. I'm looking forward to the pictures and the video of her running. Rob From rotigel at me.com Sat Aug 14 14:38:15 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Your advice is sage Rob, except that showing Spencer's Ball on the trailer will make it look even BIGGER! Additionally, you could cure the problem of not being at Portland easily! If YOU are too busy to attend Portland why not just buy Kelley a plane ticket to Baraboo and Arnie and I will do the rest! Dave PS, We will send Kelley back to KA right after the Portland show! On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will finally be at Portland this >> year. > > Wow, Spencer. That's exciting. I wish Kelley and I were going to be > there to see her debut. > > >> Check out the pictures of the trailer and skids here: >> http://www.atis.net/forums/album.php?albumid=29 > > Nice! > > >> The engine is not running and this year I am planning on spending the >> week at Portland getting it in running condition > > Fun idea. > > >> Any thoughts and comments on the trailer loading and mounting would >> be >> much appreciated! > > The feng shui is maximized when the engine is on the ground. > > Getting the engine on the ground is serious business that is best > considered before you begin. I would use 2" pipes for rollers, and > plenty of 'em. Trailer ramps must be stout. > > If you can unload onto asphalt, you're golden. If you're going to set > up on dirt, especially in the Portland Mud Bog, bring 2x10s onto which > you can roll the engine. Pipes generally don't roll well over dry > dirt. > > In and out is controlled with a winch mounted at the front of your > trailer. You can use a come-a-long, but that gets old. Use a GOOD > come-a-long. Two can be nice to have. > > Up and down is controlled with a mechanical toe jack. Two can be nice > to have. I build skids with the toe jack in mind. I've seen original > skids such as yours that have a cross member near each end, off the > ground a ways. Those are nice places to lift from. > > A 5' or 6' pry bar is also handy. An assortment of short blocks is > also handy. > > It would be nice to have someone experienced in moving heavy stuff > show you their method for your first time. Whatever you do, use only > one or two trustworthy helpers-NO MORE. You don't need a bunch of > "experts" buzzing around and turning a serious project into a > dangerous project. > > Hints: > > There will be two points that might come as a surprise. > > One, is when the center of gravity rolls over the apex of the trailer/ > ramps. The engine will begin to tip from level to a nose-down > attitude. At this point, you'll want one roller near the apex, and > the engine can pivot on that roller. That's why you need a straight > pull on your winch, to keep it from turning all cattywampus. Go slow, > keep it under control. > > The second surprise is when the engine reaches the bottom of the ramps > and digs right into the ground. If you've placed your rollers > properly, you might avoid this. Otherwise, just jack it up a little > and stick another roller under there. Be careful, as you're now > beneath the load. Go slow, keep it under control. > > Principles: > > With 2" pipes, you're never more than 2.5" off the ground. The higher > off the ground you are, the more precarious you become. Keep it low. > > For your first time, keep four pipes under the engine. It adds > stability. > > Prime directive: > > Captain Kirk had a Prime Directive. You have two: > > 1. Don't hurt anyone. > 2. Don't hurt your engine. > > Have fun with your new toy. I'm looking forward to the pictures and > the video of her running. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Aug 14 15:13:37 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:13:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload notification References: Message-ID: <0ABAD643-9803-40E6-A6C2-1833FF3472DB@me.com> Spencer--Look At This! Begin forwarded message: > From: classifieds at oldengine.net > Date: August 14, 2010 5:55:45 PM EDT > To: rotigel at me.com > Subject: Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Ad upload > notification > > welkriz has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to. > > Title: For Sale 25 hp BALL ENGINE > Location: Hartford city, IN USA > > Do not click reply to this email. Visit Enginads at the link below. > > Description: 25 HP BALL ENGINE needs finished Have had running. Lost > vacation time so no time to do shows with this big engine. All dirty > work is done, its was primed and has one coat of paint on it. need > plumbing finished and head gasket, two clutches go and extra head, > mag you get it all. I am 20 miles west of Portland In just off hiway > 26 easy trip from Tri State show. Home in evenings after 4pm if you > want to look at it give me a call 765-729-0408 leave message if I > dont pick up (work thing) stored inside can store for few months if > paid for come look lets talk > > Link to the ad: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=40202 > > See the Hottest Auctions on eBay: http://www.enginads.com/auctions.php > > To turn off subscriptions for this category, click on the following > link: > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/misc.php?action=subscribe&sub=5 > > The Antique Tractors + Hit and Miss Engines Team > http://www.enginads.com From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat Aug 14 17:28:28 2010 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:28:28 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7bf0f2383d898e28af3ce6f416a49733.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1309.218.214.134.238.1281832108.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au> You know... I was going to say that... but decided not too. Thanks Arnie :) Seriously good to see you'll be at Portland with your best. Sorry I can't be there to see it. Paul > Spencer WHO? Anyone know this guy? > > On Fri, August 13, 2010 7:21 pm, Spencer Yost wrote: >> OK - it has been two and one half years since I got the engine during a >> great trip with Steve, Brice and Dave Rotigel. It has been two years >> since I have been to Portland. But the 25 HP Ball oilfield engine will >> finally be at Portland this year. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Aug 14 17:51:49 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:51:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess what is showing up at Portland... In-Reply-To: References: <4C65D36E.7010900@atis.net> <7C70891F-4956-49DF-A426-3DDD9E8E450C@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <9DB65A69-DE8C-4091-BCD6-22639F5DB40A@rustyiron.com> On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > Your advice is sage Rob, except that showing Spencer's Ball on the > trailer will make it look even BIGGER! Rumor has it that Spencer doesn't need smoke and mirrors to give the illusion of ample size. Besides, when he buys that 20 hp Ball that's for sale just a few miles from Portland, the spectators will REALLY be able to marvel over Spencer's Balls. From jbcast at charter.net Sat Aug 14 19:17:27 2010 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:17:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian Sugar planters magazine. http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology involved with the gasoline engine. Here's a link to the patent. http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Aug 14 19:56:40 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:56:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader Message-ID: <20100814.195733.953.297396@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com> Totally cool J.B. Can't wait to see it assembled. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Online Auction Tricks EXPOSED Reporter Uncovers Shocking Online Auction Tricks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c6757c7cb06778d8efst01vuc From yostsw at atis.net Sun Aug 15 02:20:27 2010 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:20:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Misc Portland Stuff In-Reply-To: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> First a quick question: I want to put some oil in the cylinder before I head down the road so the road trip can work some oil around. Can I just add via the spring loaded intake baffle?? About a half a cup? >Happy to see on the list......haven't seen you on here for some >time........I agree with the guy who said take it easy !! > I'm around and rumors of my death are premature. Just "life stuff" keeps me from having any free time whatsoever. The folks at Portland will hear the story around the Dotson fire ring I'm sure. > Question: do you have any more brass key chains? As for the key chains and money clips - I'll bring what I have to Portland and save you some but I have very little left. In fact, if memory serves, I think I may be out of key chains and only have money clips. I haven't dug them out of the attic yet so I am not sure. >Spencer--Look At This! >> welkriz has uploaded one or more ads to a category you subscribe to. >> >> Title: For Sale 25 hp BALL ENGINE Yikes! For $4500 I'll sell him mine (-: Would be cool to take a side trip maybe though..... His is a "new" engine, as he has a mag. These new fangled engine that show up at these shows - sheesh! >What kind of gasket material do you need? Head? Water? How big? You sent me some gasket material; exhaust I think. I plan to not have to open up the head, so just water material. I also need a chimney. Not sure of the original size here, but the base looks real similar in size to the Bessemers of similar HP. The hot tube itself was OK I think we decided. I will be at the dinner! Spencer From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 03:18:05 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:18:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Misc Portland Stuff In-Reply-To: <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> References: <958310.50216.qm@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C67B15B.6050701@atis.net> Message-ID: On 15 August 2010 10:20, Spencer Yost wrote: > I'm around and rumors of my death are premature. ? Just "life stuff" keeps me from having any free time whatsoever. It will be good to see you again, we missed last year too. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 03:54:36 2010 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:54:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rental cars from ORD Chicago info wanted. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100815105427.0AD843B4908@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Hi Peter, we used dollar; had no troubles. regards Russell At 08:48 AM 14/08/2010, you wrote: >Hi guys >I am going through the maze of rental cars from ORD, Chicago >airport, anyone out there that can lead me in the right direction. >I am just trying to get around their insurances RIP OFF. My travel >insurance has a $3000 motor vehicle excess. >I remember watching a show here in Oz, "Current Affair" I think it >was, where they said that even though you insure these rental cars >it is worth basically nothing with all the loop holes. >Contact me OFF LIST at plowe at exemail.com.au if you can actually help >with advise. >I am going from Chicago ORD and back to Chicago ORD Airport. > >Some of the companies listed at ORD are: >AVIS >HERTZ >ALAMO >ENTERPRISE >DOLLAR >THRIFTY >BUDGET >NATIONAL > > >Regards >Peter, Oz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 15 06:03:48 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:03:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader Message-ID: <2d6f1.5d3c9295.39993fb4@aol.com> That is really great to have that family history and now a real one to boot! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 15 06:15:15 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:15:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: Nice! 250 TONS is a lot of cane. On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:17 PM, wrote: > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's > disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All > of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the > Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My > grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, > patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian > Sugar planters magazine. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v > =onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false > > Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos > and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering > two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline > engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a > man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took > two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology > involved with the gasoline engine. > Here's a link to the patent. > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos > > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 15 09:00:56 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:00:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: GREAT find JB! Dave On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:17 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's > disassembled and needs a lot of work, but it's almost complete. All > of the framework is there, it has the draw works and the grab, the > Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to find. My > grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, > patented in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian > Sugar planters magazine. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=_ucoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=jb+castagnos&source=bl&ots=wUBSZfNk0V&sig=SxuXcp-F1iduu24-unNcwJQlyo8&hl=en&ei=sEdnTOsow4GUB-TozZ4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v > =onepage&q=jb%20castagnos&f=false > > Don't know if that link will work, but you can Google JB Castagnos > and go to the sugar planters magazine article. He tells of offering > two models, one mule powered, and one with a New Way gasoline > engine. The gasoline engine powered was a better design requiring a > man and a boy to operate it, while the mule powered machines took > two men and a boy. He said farmers were scared of the technology > involved with the gasoline engine. > Here's a link to the patent. > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=cyRgAAAAEBAJ&dq=jb+castagnos > > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Aug 15 17:12:40 2010 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:12:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 22 hp stover Message-ID: <58C64808E40340948DB6BF29E8941AC5@billPC> spent the weekend at the annual show at hope, arkansas and had good luck with the stovers 1st outing,,, ran it most of the day thurs, fri, and sat,,,,, with no cooling system yet, we just hooked the water hoses up to it and let it discharge into the creek. i'm thinking a screen cooler would look best and was wondering if there is any rule of thumb regarding screen surface area in relation to engine size,?,, since its a throttler, its gets plenty hot,, and i;m guessing a circulating pump is required,,? does anyone one know of blueprints or plans available for a screen cooler? any thoughts or other ideas on cooling will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 15 21:00:36 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:00:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: Oh JB, that is so neat! You've gotta be really happy and excited. I can't wait to see it restored and running. See ya, Arnie On Sat, August 14, 2010 10:17 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > > A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. It's disassembled and needs a > lot of work, but it's almost complete. All of the framework is there, it has the > draw works and the grab, the Fairbanks Morse engine is gone, but they are easy to > find. My grandfather, J.B. Castagnos made the first succesful cane loader, patented > in 1907. There are interviews with him here in the Louisian Sugar planters magazine. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 16 05:20:21 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:20:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Solex 26 FH Carby Manual Wanted Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Does anyone know where I might find a copy of a manual for a Solex 26 FH carby? It's fitted to a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine that's circa 1937. I did find this one on the web... http://www.australian-ariel-register.com/documents/Solex_Carburettor_Handbook.pdf And this pair of images... http://www.stationaryenginesscotland.co.uk/FowlerPages/solexfh.htm Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 07:01:28 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:01:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <4309C6B063E24D6A9C3E344D72EFA895@kgwASUSi7> References: <4309C6B063E24D6A9C3E344D72EFA895@kgwASUSi7> Message-ID: On 16 August 2010 14:06, GWaugh wrote: > Hello, All... > > Am just wondering if anyone has a spare bed/motel reservation that they > would want to share costs on---I'm getting too old for the tent business!!! > > TIA, > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA Gene: If you don't mind the drive, you can usually get in at the Super8 at Muncie, that's where we always stay when at Portland. (Rita likes the shopping malls!) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Aug 16 08:53:53 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:53:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his stuff on a webpage so here it is. This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 09:37:11 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:37:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Nice collection, Jerry! I didn't know that some of the big Ruston & Hornsby flywheel Diesels were made as late as 1965, BTW, I recently saw an engine based on that design that is only about five years old, made in Pakistan! I know nothing else about it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:54 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 16 09:43:27 2010 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:43:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <66BB656649304520AD17B363248248EA@morpheus> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: New webpage added. Hi all, One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his stuff on a webpage so here it is. This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Hi Jerry, I spotted that Diamant Danish mill on the site and wondered if this poster I own was of interest? I have posted it on http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2504870950028520097kSJWrQ Dave Croft Warrington. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 16 09:49:11 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Castagnos Cane Loader In-Reply-To: References: <20100814221727.1HP0X.10012558.root@mp12> Message-ID: <301590EB-03CE-4E87-9534-ECCD086B415D@windstream.net> > On Sat, August 14, 2010 10:17 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> >> A friend gave me a Castagnos Cane Loader this week. That's so cool!!! That should be a GREAT project!!! ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Aug 16 10:53:35 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:53:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Hotel Room Available In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <2AEA1F53-2444-4C2F-9C78-78617669E11D@herculesengines.com> I have a room reserved at the Portland, Holiday Inn Express that I won't be using. It is currently reserved for 8/23-8/29 but I'm sure the dates could be modified. I think the room rate is $145 per night. If anyone needs it please let me know and we'll get the reservation moved into your name. Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 16 12:30:29 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100816175110.01f4ad98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1A93F7DA-98E9-4200-8ABD-AA28B2D25C5F@me.com> Never mind all the stupid ass (that's a technical term!) old iron. What can you tell me about this Luann chick? Dave PS, NICE collection! On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi all, > One of my friends finally agreed to letting me put some of his > stuff on a webpage so here it is. > > This is only a fraction of what he has but it's a start. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/neville/index.htm > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 16 16:24:58 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:24:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spencer..... Message-ID: ....this is for you! See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=40296 From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 17 09:56:29 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:56:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 77, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100817183903.024f8b28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:37:11 -0400 >From: "Elden" >Subject: Re: [SEL] New webpage added. > > >Nice collection, Jerry! > >I didn't know that some of the big Ruston & Hornsby flywheel >Diesels were made as late as 1965, > >BTW, I recently saw an engine based on that design that is only >about five years old, made in Pakistan! I know nothing else >about it. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Elden, Yes, they were made quite recently but still beautiful machines. The one in question was a "College Engine" - supplied to a local "Technical College" to teach "appies" all about how diesel engines work. As with the Ruston recently restored by Peter Forbes it also has all sorts of "extra's" that Neville is trying to get hold of. (Do not ask me what they are but they draw graphs and suchlike to show H.P., torque, R.P.M's. etc. under different running conditions). I just enjoy them running :-) The engine had hardly done any work when he got it (complete) - just demo stuff for students - maybe had a few nuts loosened here and there and re tightened. Then the "guvmunt" decided it was obsolete and it ended up with Neville. Great deal for a collector. The vertical steam engine on the same page came from the same source and at the same time. Not too sure about Pakistan but I do know that the big Rustons were made in India (under the Ruston name) until quite recently. I'm sure that Peter Forbes could supply more info there. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 17 10:02:30 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:02:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New webpage added. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100817185750.0252b9c8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 17/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:30:29 -0400 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] New webpage added. >To: The SEL email discussion list > > >Never mind all the stupid ass (that's a technical term!) old iron. >What can you tell me about this Luann chick? > Dave >PS, NICE collection! Dave, Dave, Dave, That's my mates wife !!! Yes, she is a stunner. I'll reply "Off List" :-) Jerry From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 17 22:08:23 2010 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:08:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 18 03:11:51 2010 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey Bill & Peg, Where have you been? Yes, the same old rusty group will be there again this year. I am actually going up today to mark off our spot. Again I will make reservations at Quintins Resturant for Saturday Banquet Dinner. See ya there! Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:08:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Aug 18 08:13:01 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:13:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> Deb and I will be there Friday early afternoon. This is our first time at Baraboo and really looking forward to it. Keith On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:08 AM, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Aug 18 09:17:35 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:17:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> References: <9A6CC1D8-E48E-4CFF-AACE-5577D54BFD97@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20100818161731.A890B9482@smtp.wcoil.com> I've been to Baraboo swap a couple times and loved it. Some day I may get to the show. Envious of those of you who get to go. Mark At 11:13 AM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >Deb and I will be there Friday early afternoon. This is our first >time at Baraboo and really looking forward to it. >Keith > > >On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:08 AM, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > > > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by > early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it > 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Keith Kinney >kkinney at herculesengines.com >WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From grookus2 at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 12:46:59 2010 From: grookus2 at comcast.net (grookus2 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1873982049.26543.1282160819779.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> we are leaveing town thurs. hope to see all at baraboo garyrookus ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:08:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? ? We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. ?We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. ? Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. ? Bill & Peg Pfeiffer ? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ????????????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 18 13:14:46 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:14:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels (it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years previously.) Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never got around to actually "completing his restoration". One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to show him in his "working clothes". Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. See and page down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August 2010" All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. Update 18th August 2010. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 18 13:30:38 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: It looks nice! Kind of a cross between nicely painted-up and left in it's work clothes. Don't change a thing! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:15 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 15:48:34 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:48:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > We are 'there' already..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 18 17:16:59 2010 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:16:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? References: Message-ID: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Peter, This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Skip Cleveland Hello Skip, I believe there is a wooden table saw on our show grounds that arrived in the last year. It looks like a piece of furniture. A photo would confirm. Please send a photo and I will let you know. Regards, Robert R. Coates President Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Cleveland [mailto:skipcleveland at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:31 AM To: l.coates at charter.net Subject: From the Club Website I sold an old wooden table saw to a fellow on e-bay last year and he indicated that it might be displayed at your facility. I am wondering if it ever made it there. I could ask him but I have to go back through my records and it would be a nice surprise to see a picture of it at your place. I could send a picture if it would help. Thanks. Skip Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> >> Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? >> > > We are 'there' already..... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From george at irontrader.com Wed Aug 18 19:51:29 2010 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try the video feature on my digital camera. George From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 20:57:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:57:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: Nice engine. Big American throttlers are always nice to hear running :) On 19/8/10 12:51 PM, "George Best" wrote: > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 21:11:04 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: <237140.52866.qm@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A really nice table saw was donated a year or so ago by a fellow named Richard Thomas, from Rochelle, IL. Known as "Stretch" because he stands about 6 foot 13 inches, he has been a long time member and is a real swell guy to visit with. I believe he acquired the saw via eBay. It is always a treat to have the chance to meet up with so many of the list members at Baraboo. I think that we are just going to be bringing a couple of tractors this year, working on engines at home for the Mount Pleasant show. See yoo in Baraboo! Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Wed, 8/18/10, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote: From: SKIP CLEVELAND Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 7:16 PM Peter, This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Skip Cleveland Hello Skip, I believe there is a wooden table saw on our show grounds that arrived in the last year.? It looks like a piece of furniture.? A photo would confirm. Please send a photo and I will let you know. Regards, Robert R. Coates President Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Cleveland [mailto:skipcleveland at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:31 AM To: l.coates at charter.net Subject: From the Club Website I sold an old wooden table saw to a fellow on e-bay last year and he indicated that it might be displayed at your facility. I am wondering if it ever made it there. I could ask him but I have to go back through my records and it would be a nice surprise to see a picture of it at your place. I could send a picture if it would help. Thanks. Skip Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> >> Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? >> > > We are 'there' already..... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Aug 19 02:23:26 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:23:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original rust or paint. Dave Merchant At 04:14 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", > > It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business >wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've >managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the >important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. > > You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a >good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels >(it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years >previously.) > > Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few >shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never >got around to actually "completing his restoration". > > One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make >up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have >done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to >show him in his "working clothes". > > Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. > > I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm >NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. > >See and page >down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August >2010" > >All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. > > >Update 18th August 2010. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 04:09:24 2010 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <946617.68469.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I got here late Wed afternoon.? Setup not too far from the SEL area with my big red trailer full of F&J engines.? NICK From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 19 04:47:48 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:47:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: Great looking engine and a great runner, George! Really cool optical illusion in your video... because of the video camera capture rate, it looks like the flywheels are rotating counterclockwise while the crankshaft is rotating clockwise! Mike On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:51 PM, George Best wrote: > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at windstream.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 04:58:30 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:58:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> References: <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB> Message-ID: On 19 August 2010 01:16, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote: > Peter, > > This is some corespondence I had with people at Baraboo. The saw in question is red with a clear maple table and hammered silver > metal pieces. There is a jackshaft at it's rear and has a heavy metal saw gard. The saw should be somewhere in their wood shop. > > Look for it if it is still there and enjoy. Thanks, Skip, Bob and I exchanged emails before we flew over, and I'll check that saw out over the next day or so. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 05:07:25 2010 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:07:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100818213510.025770e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I think it looks good but I don't usually use the blacking,just 50/50 boiled and white spirit. John > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:14:46 +0200 > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. > > Hi all you Great Guys and Gals's in "Engine Land", > > It's been a very busy time for me these last few months "business > wise" (thank goodness) and engines have had to take a back seat but I've > managed to catch up and have been able to spend a little time on the > important things in life (Old Engines) just recently. > > You may recall that I acquired a 6 H.P. 1928 Wolseley Type "R" a > good number of years back and got it running with a set of Lister flywheels > (it's original flywheels had disappeared to the "scrappie" many years > previously.) > > Well, this magnificent piece of "Old Iron" has been to quite a few > shows/rallies and always acquitted himself well in that time but I never > got around to actually "completing his restoration". > > One of the reasons for this is that I have never been able to make > up my mind as to wether I wanted to slick him up and paint him as I have > done with all of my other (less illustrious) engines. I really wanted to > show him in his "working clothes". > > Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. > > I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm > NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. > > See and page > down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August > 2010" > > All for now - I look forward to your comments an suggestions. > > > Update 18th August 2010. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 05:23:50 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:23:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> References: , <25FC278FF25C48B797D8BAAC19736961@YOURDA6F5028CB>, <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: lookin good George > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:51:29 -0700 > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 06:44:36 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:44:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: George: I enjoyed the video but wonder if the engine would run even better if the exhaust weren't reduced so much for the muffler. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of George Best > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled > Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good > and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Thu Aug 19 11:04:15 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:04:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cb3f49$6d312190$479364b0$@com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45910B18@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Elden, I've thought about putting a vertical stack on the engine. Main problem around here is find pipe elbow and pipe of the correct size. Get anything larger than normal house plumbing and the big box stores don't carry it. The current exhaust is necked down to fit the muffler. If I get a vertical stack on, I'll post another video for comparison. george -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 18hp Stover video George: I enjoyed the video but wonder if the engine would run even better if the exhaust weren't reduced so much for the muffler. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of George Best > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:51 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video > > > I just loaded a youtube video of my 18hp screen cooled > Stover running. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCGfPDScM4 > > Still needs some work, but it was running pretty good > and I wanted to try > the video feature on my digital camera. > > George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 19 12:19:29 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:19:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 19/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:23:26 -0400 >From: Dave Merchant >Subject: Re: [SEL] Linseed oil question. >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270 at ncweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! > >The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original >rust or paint. > >Dave Merchant Hi Dave, Elden and others who replied, Thanks for your positive comments - I've got it standing in the sun near my office door and it grows on me each day so I'm not totally unhappy :-) One thing that I forgot to mention in my original post was my reason for using the black stove polish. When I got this engine it's flywheels were missing (probably went to the scrappie) and being the only one known to exist in South Africa at the time (another has since surfaced) I knew that I stood no chance of finding another set of original flywheels so I fitted the Lister flywheels (they look better than the originals anyway). The engine had no paint left on it but the flywheels still had a lot of green as well as some grey primer showing (I don't think that Lister ever used grey primer) and the stove polish was an attempt at getting the engine to look the same all over (which it now does). All for now, thanks again for the replies. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 19 14:54:30 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:54:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. In-Reply-To: References: <861534.39379.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819223749.01f12f38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi the lists, Following on my recent post I feel that another explanation/thread is in order. (Be warned, this may be a bit long winded) :-) Pease allow me to explain a few things and do not think me "big headed" for this. I'm a relative "newbie" to this great hobby (only been here since about 2004 or thereabouts) but I do tend to go "all the way" with whatever I do. One of the first things I did when getting involved was to start my webpage: (and, as always, thanks to Jim for making this possible). Just because I had a webpage did not mean that I was an experienced old engine restorer or an "expert" (which I'm NOT) - it just meant that I knew how to write a webpage. Because it was, at that time, the only webpage for old engine collectors from South Africa a lot of local collectors, especially newbies like myself, found it (Google is your friend) and read it. The first engine that I restored was a very common Wolseley WD9 and I really "went to town" on this one. I spent many hours grinding and "slicking" the cast iron and eventually ended up with an engine that probably made old man "Frederick York Wolseley" turn in his grave! It was painted a metallic charcoal (some 2K paint that was left over from a previous signwriting job) and all fittings (pipes and pipe connectors) were made from stainless steel and highly polished. It looked great and still regularly goes to shows and is well received but I would never do this to a rare or collectible engine like the Wolseley "R" type. But (and I again ask that you do not think me "big headed") local guys started to see my page and thought the those were the standards that they had to work to (or compete with). The result has been some totally ridiculously painted engines (a Petter "M" "Appletop" painted Maroon, Burgundy, Yellow and Brown for example). The finish I put onto my Wolsely "R type" is completely reversible (albeit with some "elbow grease") but a sandblasted and slicked engine's finish is NOT reversible. I finished this Wolseley this way because I'm hoping that some South African collectors will follow my example and stop with their ridiculous finishes and try to be more original. That's it for now I'm off to bed !! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 15:17:44 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:17:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 August 2010 06:08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? We went over this morning, probably a bit early for any SEL folks to be there, but saw the roped-off area in the trees ready for the list guys. Met up with Robert Coates, have joined the club as a life member, spent a hot morning and early afternoon wandering round and snapping lots of pic's. Will be over again tomorrow. Arnie and Dave reckon they'll be there around 7pm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Aug 19 19:00:01 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:00:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20100819052143.03d8a270@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <56ac3d01fb551aff8cc6111fbfbdfe70.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jerry, I've gotta agree with Dave on this one. She looks GREAT!! See ya, Arnie On Thu, August 19, 2010 5:23 am, Dave Merchant wrote: > Sorry to break it to you, but it looks great! > > The oil brings out the details that would be hidden by either the original > rust or paint. > > Dave Merchant > > > At 04:14 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >> Well, I think I have maybe "screwed up" a bit. >> >> I polished him with stove polish and applied Linseed oil AND I'm >>NOT VERY HAPPY with the result. >> >>See and page >>down to very near the bottom of the page for the Update dated "18th August >>2010" From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 19:30:05 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:30:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 18hp Stover video In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45910B18@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I am running an original style Stover muffler on my 6hp vertical. The larger verticals and the horizontals used this type: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05121303.JPG I would guess that the larger horsepower engines used a much bigger casting. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 19:39:06 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:39:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Cooper xc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone can help with dating info on a Cooper XC please contact Arnie direct at the address below. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html ------ Forwarded Message From: arnold Laird To: Subject: Cooper xc Hi Patrick, ???????????????? Arnold Laird [Arnie] From Hawkes Bay NZ with a request for info. ???? I have just aquired a COOPER XC with engine # 473665 and would like to know the year of manufacture or anything else about it.Can you steer me in the right direction??? ????? I have 5 NORMAN twins restored and spend time at local shows and events. ?? Thank you and regards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Arnie ------ End of Forwarded Message From swilliams268 at frontier.com Thu Aug 19 20:33:43 2010 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:33:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New E-Mail Address Message-ID: <4C6DF797.20607@frontier.com> For anyone interested we finally moved into high speed land. So far it's fun. Trying to remember all of the folks who send mail is a PIA though. I've only had the old address for 20 years!!!! swilliams268 @ frontier.com remove spaces please. -- Steve W. (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 05:07:51 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:07:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures Message-ID: First page is up on the uK server, I'll get it over to Oldengine.,org later this morning. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 20 05:54:51 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:54:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter..great pix's!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Listerdiesel To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Stationary-Engine Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures First page is up on the uK server, I'll get it over to Oldengine.,org later this morning. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 05:52:01 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) Message-ID: Now on Oldengine.org: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm There is NO main page icon yet, will do that later. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 17:43:29 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:43:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come and be a part of the fun. Tommy Turner From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Aug 20 17:58:05 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:58:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> I am coming over from Australia Tommy, looking forward to meeting you. Will be at the dinner also. Peter, Oz > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 18:09:53 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:09:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> Great Peter. I hope we have several of our buddies from across the water attend. Portland is certainly the place to see a lot of friends. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 I am coming over from Australia Tommy, looking forward to meeting you. Will be at the dinner also. Peter, Oz > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Aug 20 18:59:46 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like they got a big section. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 8:43 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Aug 20 19:32:30 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:32:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or wherever Royster's are allowed! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can > all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on > Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a > hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, > I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, > and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come > and be a part of the fun. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 20 19:51:59 2010 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:51:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon arriving for the Baraboo Show! Peg Pfeiffer > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:11:51 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > > Hey Bill & Peg, > Where have you been? Yes, the same old rusty group will be there again this year. I am actually going up today to mark off our spot. > Again I will make reservations at Quintins Resturant for Saturday Banquet Dinner. > See ya there! > Curt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:08:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Show? > > > Anyone going to Baraboo Show, have not seen anything on the list about it? > > We are leaving early Thursday morning and hope to be setup by early afternoon. We are taking a Fuller Johnson, Bill restored it 6 years ago, and it did it's first show last week end at Sycamore. > > Hope to see at least a few of you at Baraboo. > > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 20:39:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:39:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1279AA4C05754B9196A61096C171C775@D2JYVHJ1> Tim, looks like there could be some really wet weather coming in for a few days. Keep the umbrella and waders handy. See you soon! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like they got a big section. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 8:43 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 20 20:54:25 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or wherever Royster's are allowed! MR From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Aug 20 22:15:48 2010 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:15:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <20100821051544.11A379350@smtp.wcoil.com> See Ya There Tommy. Maytag Mark At 08:43 PM 8/20/2010, you wrote: > >Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >and be a part of the fun. > >Tommy Turner > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 04:06:52 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:06:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> References: <85F5B07F362B4CC29A3FD72FEC3296AB@peterlowe> <73D203488A294EA3A795938E758763B3@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: On 21 August 2010 02:09, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Great Peter. ?I hope we have several of our buddies from across the > water attend. ?Portland is certainly the place to see a lot of friends. > > Tommy We are at Baraboo with the regular gang, all are coming down to Portland afterwards. Reggie is also here. Big storm last evening. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 04:41:11 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:41:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: Message-ID: <001601cb4125$c10c3830$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Courtesy and convenience, I like that! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a > space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near > Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Aug 21 05:22:33 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <30211177.1282393353750.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mike, I sense a bit of aggression towards you in that last post. Could it be that you've taken too many trip to Kentucky? If you find that your really not welcome then just come over to the cabin, I have some extra room you can set up in, after all, as you said, your after mine now. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Royster >Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:41 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Courtesy and convenience, I like that! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >> Royster >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >> Tommy or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat Aug 21 06:46:23 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:46:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp>, Message-ID: Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Royster > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a > space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near > Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 11:11:29 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:11:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <30211177.1282393353750.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901cb415c$470ca9c0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> So true Tim. I think the evil Royster has pushed our limits. Plus like I always say, what's yours is mine! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, I sense a bit of aggression towards you in that last post. Could it > be that you've taken too many trip to Kentucky? If you find that your > really not welcome then just come over to the cabin, I have some extra > room you can set up in, after all, as you said, your after mine now. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Mike Royster >>Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:41 AM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >>Courtesy and convenience, I like that! >> >>MR >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> >>> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >>> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >>> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >>> Royster >>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >>> >>> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >>> >>> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >>> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >>> space >>> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >>> Tommy or >>> wherever Royster's are allowed! >>> >>> MR >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Aug 21 11:25:45 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:25:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp>, Message-ID: <003a01cb415e$4537d7d0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Glad you reminded me Steve. I always like to have some refreshing soft drinks ready for my dear friends with really nice engines. I'll make sure Tim's and Tommy's are cool and fresh, just like you taught me. PS: Is it whisky into pepsi, makes em tipsy? Or Pepsi into whisky, way to risky? You may have to show me again. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be > able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil > Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered > with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day > and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring > reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! > Steve. The good Brother! > >> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:54:25 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike >> Royster >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:33 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near >> Tommy or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 12:34:28 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:34:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819223749.01f12f38@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Maybe you didn't go far enough. Obtain some dry transfer stars and other decorative thingies and apply 'em to your engine. If you make it ridiculous enough, some of your imitators just might get the message. If not, just think of the interesting engines you will see in the future. I know it's hard for you to be such a trend-setter! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:55 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Linseed oil question./An explanation. .....................snip.................... > The first engine that I restored was a very > common Wolseley WD9 > and I really "went to town" on this one. I spent many > hours grinding and > "slicking" the cast iron and eventually ended up with > an engine that > probably made old man "Frederick York Wolseley" turn > in his grave! It was > painted a metallic charcoal (some 2K paint that was > left over from a > previous signwriting job) and all fittings (pipes and > pipe connectors) were > made from stainless steel and highly polished. It > looked great and still > regularly goes to shows and is well received but I > would never do this to a > rare or collectible engine like the Wolseley "R" type. > > But (and I again ask that you do not think me > "big headed") local > guys started to see my page and thought the those were > the standards that > they had to work to (or compete with). The result has > been some totally > ridiculously painted engines (a Petter "M" "Appletop" > painted Maroon, > Burgundy, Yellow and Brown for example). From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 21 16:34:59 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:34:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28547525.1282355986784.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <11c293af4fe0db37026dda1ba088882a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tim, Bob Matthews was the saint who did the SEL setup. I sure hope that folks who were there early pitched in and helped him!! We have a question from Reggie. Who is setting up the SEL camping area? Tom Ball needs a space to park his RV. See ya, Arnie (from Baraboo) On Fri, August 20, 2010 9:59 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that > you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like > they got a big section. > > Tim Christoff > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Aug 21 16:40:50 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:40:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> HEAR!! HEAR!! The SEL area is PERFECT!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, August 20, 2010 10:51 pm, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon > arriving for the Baraboo Show! > > Peg Pfeiffer From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Aug 21 19:23:52 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <18792044.1282443832152.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Not sure who saved the camping area Arnie, I do know that there is a lot of empty space there right now. I will check it out tomorrow morning. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Aug 21, 2010 7:34 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Hi Tim, > >Bob Matthews was the saint who did the SEL setup. I sure hope that folks who were >there early pitched in and helped him!! > >We have a question from Reggie. Who is setting up the SEL camping area? >Tom Ball needs a space to park his RV. > >See ya, Arnie (from Baraboo) > >On Fri, August 20, 2010 9:59 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: >> Arrived here 3 days ago Tommy, weather has been great and I seen where the area that >> you set up in has been roped off. Not sure who did the SEL this year but looks like >> they got a big section. >> >> Tim Christoff >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 21 20:16:08 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland this year. Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's. NO RAIN! There was some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell apart when they got to central IN. Somebody is living right in Portland! See everyone soon. Tommy Turner From gop4evr at lsol.net Sun Aug 22 03:40:34 2010 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:40:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show??Thanks Curt In-Reply-To: <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , <2092861359.977541282126311071.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <891ff70a48a882cbbbe28a39fe15cd5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4C70FEA2.6040604@lsol.net> I really wanted to get down to Baraboo this weekend, but circumstances did not allow. I feel terrible that I missed my only realistic chance of checking in with you guys. We have a new government contract at work (shell casings) that has our weekends spoken for (at least while in development). And today I'm off to be a guest speaker at a church about 25 miles up the road. Long story, that. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI On 8/21/10 6:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > HEAR!! HEAR!! The SEL area is PERFECT!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, August 20, 2010 10:51 pm, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: >> Thank you Curt for all your hard work, we again experienced a great welcome upon >> arriving for the Baraboo Show! >> >> Peg Pfeiffer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:31:37 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <2e3f3.61616d83.39a272a9@aol.com> Tommy remember it's a lot easier on the eyes to keep a eye on one brother that two. Have fun at Portland and please take a lot of photo's KK In a message dated 8/21/2010 9:52:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixer missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Aug 22 06:09:00 2010 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:09:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1> <001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike Is Miles bringing his grist mill? Keith On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. > Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. > Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a space > about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy or > wherever Royster's are allowed! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> >> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >> all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >> Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >> hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >> I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >> and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >> and be a part of the fun. >> >> Tommy Turner >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 22 06:30:05 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:30:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <476D4D8CE20F484C9F9808C06BCC2AEF@D2JYVHJ1><001201cb40d9$1aaae780$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <001d01cb41fe$21e8bab0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> I don't think so. I think for his first trip he is there to absorb it all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike > Is Miles bringing his grist mill? > Keith > > > On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > >> I should get there about noon on wednesday with a newbie, Miles Hamrick. >> Miles has always wanted to come but this is his first opportunity. >> Unfortunately Steve won't make it this year, but Reg will! I need a >> space >> about 30" by 90" for my measley display. I'd be honored to be near Tommy >> or >> wherever Royster's are allowed! >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:43 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 >> >> >>> >>> Just curious who all will make Portland. I hope the regular gang can >>> all attend and maybe some new faces will join us. I hope to be there on >>> Wednesday, probably around 9:00 am. If the early birds can lend me a >>> hand and keep my "usual" spot in front of the tree by the blacktop open, >>> I'll set up where I normally do. As always, I'll have a canopy, chairs, >>> and a cooler full of drinks (the soft kind) for any that want to come >>> and be a part of the fun. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 07:13:04 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! INK." So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. Tim Christoff. PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is Steve. Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! Steve. The good Brother! > > Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that > brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you > might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 22 07:40:32 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:40:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001cb4207$f984b7e0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Tim: Thanks to your connections to the seedy underworld of the Kentuckian "Boss Hawg", I am forewarned and prepared. That's why I am bringing Miles this year. Who knows what his real occupation is but he goes by Miles "the Hammer" Hamrick. Looking forward to seeing you and all my future treasures you and Tommy have assembled for me! Mike (the only good and saintly) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging > I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is > mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: > > "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick > up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is > not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve > the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an > antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the > profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, > they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone > picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! > > INK." > > > > So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping > an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. > Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > > Tim Christoff. > > PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is > Steve. > > > > Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be > able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil > Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered > with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day > and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring > reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! > Steve. The good Brother! > > >> >> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> > > > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 18:41:02 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley Message-ID: <700590.1105.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, ? I had a blast at the Buckley show. I just had my 1928, H&M, ?1 3/4 HP Hercules S there running my 1890s built 2-hole Mountville Hero corn sheller. ? I invited Rick Gilder from Smokstak to set up under my canopy with his 1890s built 2-hole Henge & Dromgold corn sheller powered by his 1918 TG FBM 1 1/2 HP engine. ? Two very old shellers that look so alike but are so?different running there together was very cool. ? Between the two of us we shelled 4200 pounds of corn in three days. ? I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. ? Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM but in a much calmer manner. This was around ten years ago. ? When I first checked at the show this week it was running at 400 RPM By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had slowed down. Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. ? It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor is breaking up. What do you figure is going on? The engine and sheller are both turning very easy so it is not resistance slowing it down. I would like to hear some ideas before?I tear it apart. ? Alan in Michigan ? ? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 22 19:51:18 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> References: <9E2AE5D7B63F437780BC8928EB8CA01F@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <6acd12e4fe0f645318cdef37f60dfd86.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tommy, You can thank me for the awesome weather. In England I'm known as the "Sun Bringer" and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland > this year. Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's. NO RAIN! There was > some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell > apart when they got to central IN. Somebody is living right in > Portland! See everyone soon. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 20:23:33 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <6acd12e4fe0f645318cdef37f60dfd86.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <829146.38228.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Arnie, While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is sun....... ? It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will see if any of it makes it's way into print. ? I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. Later, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM Tommy, You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun Bringer" and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) See ya,? Arnie On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland > this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was > some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell > apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in > Portland!? See everyone soon. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 23 08:20:16 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <700590.1105.qm@web111707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: The spring sounds like a good suspect. The throttle linkage may have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine.Org List > Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > Howdy Folks, > ? ....................snip.................... > ? > I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. > ? > Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that > I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running > very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring > and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM > but in a much calmer manner. > This was around ten years ago. > ? > When I first checked at the show this week it was > running at 400 RPM > By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had > slowed down. > Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before > it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it > hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. > ? > It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor > is breaking up. ................snip.................... From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 23 08:32:16 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Royster >Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:40 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > >Tim: > > Thanks to your connections to the seedy underworld of the Kentuckian >"Boss Hawg", I am forewarned and prepared. That's why I am bringing Miles >this year. Who knows what his real occupation is but he goes by Miles "the >Hammer" Hamrick. Looking forward to seeing you and all my future treasures >you and Tommy have assembled for me! > >Mike (the only good and saintly) Royster > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Christoff" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:13 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging >> I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is >> mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: >> >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick >> up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is >> not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve >> the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an >> antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the >> profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, >> they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone >> picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! >> >> INK." >> >> >> >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping >> an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. >> Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. >> >> Tim Christoff. >> >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is >> Steve. >> >> >> >> Tommy, I would keep a close eye on your cooler if I were you. I won't be >> able to make Portland this year so someone will have to keep the Evil >> Brother under control. Just make sure those Pepsi's haven't been tampered >> with before you take a swig. I noticed some elixir missing the other day >> and I fear it may have fallen into dangerous hands! Be careful and bring >> reject engines only, Ya never know what you'll go home without! >> Steve. The good Brother! >> >> >>> >>> Mike, Roysters are allowed anywhere they want to set up. You and that >>> brother of yours have cleaned me out on more than one occasion... you >>> might as well set up close by so you can take a load back to NC! >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Tim Christoff >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 23 08:49:43 2010 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 7hp Economy saw rig In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100819210413.01f23988@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F45B5CC07@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> What's a ball park figure on the value of a 7hp Economy on a factory drop frame saw rig? Unrestored, hasn't run in many years, has Webster Tri-polar. Don't know if it is stuck or not, but looks complete in the photo I saw. Currently in a building, but don't know if was previously stored outside or not. Owner is looking for a good home for this engine. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 09:02:56 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259826.38114.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What throttle linkage? That is a model S hit-n-miss engine. 8>)) Wico EK mag and plenty compression. I have a very lazy running engine now but that is not what?I need to run my corn sheller. ? Alan --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Elden wrote: From: Elden Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:20 AM Alan: The spring sounds like a good suspect.? The throttle linkage may have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine.Org List > Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > Howdy Folks, > ? ....................snip.................... > ? > I did have something strange?going on with my Hercules though. > ? > Back when I first fired up the 1 3/4 HP Hercules that > I had at the show it was barn fresh and it was running > very aggressively. I?then changed the governor spring > and?I checked the RPM and it was running at 500 RPM > but in a much calmer manner. > This was around ten years ago. > ? > When I first checked at the show this week it was > running at 400 RPM > By?Saturday late afternoon I noticed the engine had > slowed down. > Instead of 400 when it hit then slowing to 375 before > it hit again I found it was now?peaking at 350 when it > hit and slowing to 300 before it hit again. > ? > It is my belief that the spring I put in the governor > is breaking up. ................snip.................... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 23 09:31:07 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:31:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <259826.38114.qm@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan: Ahh! THAT little fact eliminates all of the throttle linkage, doesn't it? I guess the culprit's gotta be the spring. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > > > What throttle linkage? > That is a model S hit-n-miss engine. 8>)) > Wico EK mag and plenty compression. > I have a very lazy running engine now but that is not > what?I need to run my corn sheller. > ? > Alan > > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Elden wrote: > > > From: Elden > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:20 AM > > > Alan: > > The spring sounds like a good suspect.? The throttle > linkage may > have something loose and is slowly winding down, too. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From gastzt at aol.com Mon Aug 23 09:45:42 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:45:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley Message-ID: <70143.1f9c1d44.39a3ffb6@aol.com> yep---need stronger spring----for sure! Stan Pleasanton, Tx From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 23 10:32:35 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:32:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: "I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. Tim" Tim, this is off list so as not to tip anyone off, but I have to ask if this is one of the Paola Bessemers. If it is, which railroad moved it for you? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 13:42:42 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley In-Reply-To: <70143.1f9c1d44.39a3ffb6@aol.com> Message-ID: <300921.76994.qm@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yup, When I get a chance to play with my engines that one will be first. I forget which great SEL member bought a box of hand tachs cheap then offered them to the list folks that contacted him. ? Thanks to him I had one to measure the RPM when I first put that spring in the govener. It was running at 500 RPM. Seemed slow at the show so I measured it again Wednesday. 400/375 Saturday afternoon as I was finishing the 4200 pounds of corn the sheller was slower so I got the tach out again. 350/300 But,,, The corn was done. I shut the engine down then spun the sheller's flywheel. It was running just as nice as always on those 1890s roller bearings. I went back to the engine and spun the flywheels bouncing the piston against compression several times. No drag there either. ? When I first fired that engine up the original spring was so stiff the whole engine jumped about an inch off the ground every time it hit. It was a raging beast. I don't even want to know how fast it was turning. I could only compress that spring about an eighth of an inch. I had one the same size in my spring bag made from thin wire that I could compress all the way 150 times a minute. That is what?I put in the govenor then tached the engine and found 500 RPM. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 8/23/10, gastzt at aol.com wrote: From: gastzt at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Lots of fun at Buckley To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:45 PM yep---need stronger spring----for sure! Stan Pleasanton, Tx _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 23 13:42:26 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <4402821.1282596148019.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger >Sent: Aug 23, 2010 1:32 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > > >"I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running engines. > >Tim" > >Tim, this is off list so as not to tip anyone off, but I have to ask if this is one of the Paola Bessemers. If it is, which railroad moved it for you? > > >Bruce Younger > >05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > >Madison, SD > >sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > >"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted >armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." > >E. Hemingway > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 23 17:08:07 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:08:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 7 1/2 Hp engine Message-ID: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> Hi,just trying to help a friendwith his new toy. It seems like there isn't much information out there on Galloways. Has someone built a a registry for them? He's trying to find the DOB. For the serial #9357. it's got the early style hopper and a round rod. Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Aug 23 17:36:03 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:36:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 7 1/2 Hp engine In-Reply-To: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> References: <433F2A3689734490B658F79E8FC22377@VALUED3253602F> Message-ID: <4C7313F3.6090606@coastalnet.com> Jim, John Cullom put this list together with the results of his research gathering info on the Galloway line. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/numbers.PDF Linked from his page at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/index.html Take care. Ken On 8/23/2010 8:08 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi,just trying to help a friendwith his new toy. It seems like there isn't > much information out there on Galloways. Has someone built a a registry for > them? He's trying to find the DOB. For the serial #9357. it's got the early > style hopper and a round rod. Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, > Ca. 415 892 0236 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 23 19:39:16 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:39:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24589901.1282577536823.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <940661a7963f76c831c38ec5d430d6ea.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tim, You better get that sorry-assed Bessemer running right. There's a gang of us coming over on Tuesday to check it out!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, August 23, 2010 11:32 am, Tim Christoff wrote: > I don't think my pittiful engines will fullfill your needs Mike, the New Way was > running to fast yesterday on a test run and the Bessemier just would get down under > 58 RPM. I would not feel right allowing you to sucker me out of these bad running > engines. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 23 20:24:51 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:24:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <22471798.1282486384930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> Tim, Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as follows: "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is in danger! INK." So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. Tim Christoff. PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother is Steve. From jneth3 at mac.com Mon Aug 23 21:02:53 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:02:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? Web site doesn't say. Thanks John Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Tim, > Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll > teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some > digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I > think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as > follows: > > "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to > pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when > Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect > that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving > something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling > it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere > in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what > that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is > in danger! > > INK." > > > > So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display > keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by > my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > > Tim Christoff. > > PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother > is Steve. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 24 03:43:10 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:43:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> John: I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have never heard anything like it. :) See you there! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Neth" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? > Web site doesn't say. Thanks > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner > wrote: > >> Tim, >> Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today...that'll >> teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some >> digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I >> think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as >> follows: >> >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to >> pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when >> Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect >> that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving >> something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling >> it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere >> in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what >> that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is >> in danger! >> >> INK." >> >> >> >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display >> keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by >> my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. >> >> Tim Christoff. >> >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother >> is Steve. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Aug 24 05:10:30 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:10:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Mike: I couldn't have said it better! :-) That is one of the things I will miss most about not being able to go to Portland again. :-( Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Mike Royster > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:43 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 ................snip..................... > At 9am daily the show officially opens > with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I > promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 05:27:40 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:27:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1> <1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com> <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Mike, the show was in full swing YESTERDAY. Where are you???? And everyone that's still on the way, please be sure to ask Craig Morrison about his mysterious "Disappearing Sandow engine." heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) See ya, Arnie On Tue, August 24, 2010 6:43 am, Mike Royster wrote: > > I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by > 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at > night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! > > Mike From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 05:39:59 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:39:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've got a Millars sludge pump outfit that's powered by a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine circa 1937. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm At Baraboo I concluded that I really need to slow the engine down. She's running at full rated speed and the pump just does too much sloshing of water. It's hard to keep the water in the tank that I'm using. Here's what it looked like at home with the pre-Baraboo test run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuCVOIvhD4 In looking it over, it appears that there might be coil springs behind pins that the governor weights press on. I didn't see any sort of speed adjustment. If anyone has any experience with the governor setup on a Bamford OV I'd love to hear from you. I plan to tear into it today at Portland, but if there's an adjustment that I'm not seeing, that would sure save time. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 08:41:32 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:41:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arnie, if you can't slow the engine down could you put ba valve on the intake pipe temporally? Hope you guys are having fun! Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:40 AM To: Old Engine List; Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing Hi Folks, I've got a Millars sludge pump outfit that's powered by a 3-1/2 hp Bamford OV engine circa 1937. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/millars/millars.htm At Baraboo I concluded that I really need to slow the engine down. She's running at full rated speed and the pump just does too much sloshing of water. It's hard to keep the water in the tank that I'm using. Here's what it looked like at home with the pre-Baraboo test run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuCVOIvhD4 In looking it over, it appears that there might be coil springs behind pins that the governor weights press on. I didn't see any sort of speed adjustment. If anyone has any experience with the governor setup on a Bamford OV I'd love to hear from you. I plan to tear into it today at Portland, but if there's an adjustment that I'm not seeing, that would sure save time. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 24 12:03:20 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:03:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1><1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com><000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Leaving now!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > Hey Mike, the show was in full swing YESTERDAY. Where are you???? > > And everyone that's still on the way, please be sure to ask Craig Morrison > about his > mysterious "Disappearing Sandow engine." heh-heh-heh (evil laugh) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, August 24, 2010 6:43 am, Mike Royster wrote: >> >> I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring >> by >> 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs >> at >> night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly >> singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have >> never heard anything like it. :) >> >> See you there! >> >> Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Tue Aug 24 16:56:50 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:56:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 17:24:09 2010 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (gasenginetom at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1810505536-1282695847-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214993874-@bda624.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I'm not there yet. Still loading tonight :( Tom Winland Ohio Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: winkandginger at aol.com Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:56:50 To: Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 24 17:27:38 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Tue Aug 24 17:53:24 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: Thanks, Linda and I are coming up to Portland Wed, staying in Berne and will make it for two days. Thanks again. John? John W. Neth III 228 Old Milligan Highway Johnson City, TN 37601 423-434-0978 or 634 Elm St. Groveport, OH 43125-1216 614-836-3465 On 24 Aug, 2010,at 06:43 AM, Mike Royster wrote: > John: > > I am sure there are official hours but in reality people are stirring by > 8am and the oilfield engines are running by the light of the yellowdogs at > night at 9pm. At 9am daily the show officially opens with Mrs Beverly > singing the national anthems of the US and Canada. I promise, you have > never heard anything like it. :) > > See you there! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Neth" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > > > Going to try to go to Portland for the first time. What are the hours? > > Web site doesn't say. Thanks > > John > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Judge Tommy Turner > > wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> Poor "INK", he met with an unfortunate fate today..that'll > >> teach him to run his mouth! See you soon. > >> > >> Tommy Turner > >> Magnolia, KY > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike, this is off list for your protection, I intercepted an email this > >> morning from a person who only goes by the name "INK". After some > >> digging I found out that this means "Incarcerated -n- Kentucky". I > >> think he is mad at some Judge in those parts. Anyway, the message is as > >> follows: > >> > >> "To anyone who get this and knows Mike Royster please give him this > >> message - I overheard a conversation 2 days ago in the back room near my > >> cell. Somebody named Boss Tommy is planning on taking some poor oil > >> barren sap to the cleaners and they mentioned the name of Mike R. There > >> was some talk about Steve the Builder brewing up a batch of elixer in a > >> galvanized still and that Boss Tommy had made a little trip to NC to > >> pick up the stuff. He is planning on mixing it with some Pepsi when > >> Mike R is not looking or off trying to nail his next victim. I suspect > >> that Steve the Builder and Boss Tommy are planning on retriving > >> something called an antique engine or something like that, then selling > >> it and splitting the profits. There was talk of a 3rd party somewhere > >> in a place called PA, they called him Mr Novo but I have no idea what > >> that means. If anyone picks this up please let MR know that his life is > >> in danger! > >> > >> INK." > >> > >> > >> > >> So Mike I guess you had better spend all your time at your display > >> keeping an eye on Tommy Turner (AKA - Boss Tommy) instead of coming by > >> my display. Your life is not worth whats on my trailer. > >> > >> Tim Christoff. > >> > >> PS - I don't believe a word of you trying to nail your next victim, your > >> an honest person! It now is coming to light that the true evil brother > >> is Steve. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Aug 24 18:39:13 2010 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:39:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3ABC06708B584DE1887678D77354C006@shop> Nice job Rick! Does the carriage tilt back and forth to create the taper on the shingle? And how does the trim part of the mill work? Thanks for sharing, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Aug 24 18:54:49 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C7477E9.7080805@coastalnet.com> Great job on this project, Rick. I really enjoyed the slideshow as well as the video. I am sure this is a real crowd pleaser. Thanks for sharing. Ken On 8/24/2010 8:27 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. > > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. > > Sorry for the html > > http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc > > > Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." > RickinMt. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 24 19:08:52 2010 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:08:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: "Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. Tim" I'd like to see that five horse, Tim. The hot tubes I've seen have all been larger oil field engines. Damn shame about the Paola Bessies. China got some fine iron there; they'll probably mis-alloy it and sell it back to us. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 19:23:19 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:23:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> References: <0D7AFFFF023F4F3EBB945F78B04EEA26@D2JYVHJ1><1EE670AC-3418-42AB-BDE8-9E38F6045190@mac.com><000c01cb4379$252c11a0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> <83c7d13c787332b5ef9b62b3ff718916.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <000c01cb43bf$0509bd50$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Message-ID: <783a20bff24e78e72d90b7319f3435be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Drive safely and DON'T forget the Elixer!! PS - Beverly has been asking where that cutie Mike was. She pointed out that in order for her to be forgiven her sins, she must first SIN. Mike I think she has plans for you... On Tue, August 24, 2010 3:03 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Leaving now!!!!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 24 19:32:35 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:32:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bamford OV Engine Speed Governing Message-ID: Andy, Thanks so much for the detailed and spot-on advice!! And Roly, thanks so much for the referral!! We did this on the rally field today and it worked a treat. We were able to slow the engine down below mid-range and the pumping is not nearly as vigorous but still moves a great deal of water. Thanks again!! Arnie On Tue, August 24, 2010 10:40 am, Andrew Milestone wrote: > > Arnie, > > On the cranshaft, starting handle side, there is a heavy tin cover fitted to the > flywheel boss. This cover needs removing to reveal two adjusting screws. To increase > speed turn clockwise, to reduce speed turn anti-clockwise. One full turn of both > screws alters the engine speed by approx 25 RPM. > > If there is not sufficient adjustment this way then from experience the other way > is more drastic. Measure the distance from the end of crank to the flywheel. Remove > the key and slide the flywheel about 1/16" to 1/8" towards the end of the crank. Be > carefull not to go to far or the tensioners will fall out of the flywheel. Refit > the key and try running the engine again. > > If all the above fail the only option left is to put a slight bend in the vertical > control rod to close the butterfly. > > The tensioners consist of a part hollowed dowel (on show inside edge of the > flywheel), compression spring, small dowel and then the adjusting screw. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Andy > > >> From: roland at petternut.co.uk >> To: milestones_a at hotmail.com >> Subject: Fw: Bamford OV Engine Speet Governing >> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:25:19 +0100 >> >> Andy >> I hope you can help Arnie please. If you can, please reply directly to him. >> >> thanks >> Roland From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Aug 24 19:37:45 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <29819767.1282703865256.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Well jump in that RV Bruce and start driving. You should be able to make it before the show ends. -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger >Sent: Aug 24, 2010 10:08 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > > >"Hi Bruce, no, it is a 5 hp hot tube Bessemer. Those that we seen and tried to save were chopped up and sold to china. > >Tim" > >I'd like to see that five horse, Tim. The hot tubes I've seen have all been larger oil field engines. > >Damn shame about the Paola Bessies. China got some fine iron there; they'll probably mis-alloy it and sell it back to us. >Bruce Younger > >05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > >Madison, SD > >sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > >"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted >armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." > >E. Hemingway > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 24 20:41:19 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:41:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0543529D-9CE4-4ED3-BEB7-C524F5F42E28@rustyiron.com> On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:56 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink Hey, Wink! Why don't you load your lovely bride into the pickup and come join us Saturday at the Chino Corn Feed Run? Hot cars, hot engines, hot babes, and hot dogs. What more could you ask for? Rob From gibsongus at earthlink.net Tue Aug 24 21:04:00 2010 From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:04:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <2642451.1282709041301.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I sure hate to see a grone?? man kry?? ... -----Original Message----- >From: winkandginger at aol.com >Sent: Aug 24, 2010 4:56 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. >Maybe next year more of us can join them! > >Wink > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------- Gus Whittier, CA From winkandginger at aol.com Tue Aug 24 21:13:15 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:13:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD1222F9AE2B7A-1DBC-70E5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> It must have taken a long time to cut enough shingles to roof a house! Good looking rig Rick, thanks for the video. Wink -----Original Message----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 04:04:01 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:04:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/2010 8:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Hey Rick, Great looking machine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 07:23:40 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:23:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> References: <40c93.5a3065d1.39a652a1@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys and gals!! I'll try to get a video of it today running. I have an electric motor driven mandrel belted up to it for tweaking. It moves real slow and works great. The edger/trimmer is just a big rotating flat wheel with several knives in it. You put the shingle in the slot and trim until you like it. There are two slots for a two man trimming operation. Just think of a big slow turning jointer if you're a wood shop person. The advancer for the bolt (block of wood) is another story and the video hopefully will show it's operation. It is fun to watch...kinda reminds me of watching a grain binder as you can see almost everything....and the castings are very cool. untill later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Germoamer at aol.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! In a message dated 8/24/2010 8:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc Hey Rick, Great looking machine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 25 09:08:05 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:08:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ Everyone looks great! Ken From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 09:20:35 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:20:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: Unfortunately, I'm still here in the Redneck Riviera, unable to go to the bash. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:57 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to > Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 09:24:39 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:24:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Ken Christison wrote: > A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of > one of my contacts:-) A FINE looking bunch, they are! From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 09:26:58 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: Nice video! That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in action and is very different from the first one which had a horizontal saw blade. Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase > Shingle Mill. .................snippety snip........................ From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:25:46 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. Life is good, Wink -----Original Message----- From: Ken Christison To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 9:08 am Subject: [SEL] Portland crew A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ Everyone looks great! Ken _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:38:52 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard on us who have to remain on the homefront. By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un protected?.....Hmmm! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 9:20 am Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Wink: Unfortunately, I'm still here in the Redneck Riviera, unable to go to the bash. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:57 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to > Portland. > Maybe next year more of us can join them! > > Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 25 09:46:45 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:46:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 25/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to >two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some >tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should >cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and >not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far >away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" >as it was called. > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. >Sorry for the html >http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc >Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Hope you are keeping well. That's a really great setup. We never used shingles in South Africa so it's something unique to me - may I ask a few questions? i)I do understand that these were used as cladding on buildings and I assume overlapping each other for water runoff. Were they used on roofs as well as walls ? ii)Those in the video looked very thin (the light shone through some of them, what is the thickness and did they get any kind of preservative treatment before being used? iii) Are they cut "with the grain" ie. does the grain run lengthwise on the final product? It would appear the best way but the reason for my question is that I found it interesting that to do that the "bolt" would have been a crosscut piece of the log and that itself would need some pretty impressive machinery to produce. iV) Are the "bolts" still readily available from sawmills or is it a bygone industry? All for now. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 10:20:46 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey, Wink: Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you bring the loader. If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > protected?.....Hmmm! From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 12:26:30 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: G'day all; Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Hope you enjoy as much as we have on this freshen up job! http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3004325720039077051TSrFuC?vhost=good-times Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" as it was called. It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. Sorry for the html http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc> Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: winkandginger at aol.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! The list sure is quiet, with all the folks gone to Portland. Maybe next year more of us can join them! Wink _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Wed Aug 25 12:44:33 2010 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:44:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> New here where are you guys Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ > > Everyone looks great! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 25 13:08:28 2010 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:08:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C75783C.6030802@coastalnet.com> Hi John, They are at the Tri State Gas Engine show in Portland, Indiana. http://tristategasengineandt.intuitwebsites.com/ This list gets kind of quiet during this show because so many of our members are there. Ken On 8/25/2010 3:44 PM, John Neth wrote: > New here where are you guys > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > >> A few familiar faces showed up this morning on the flickr page of one of my contacts:-) >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/becca3k/4926803370/ >> >> Everyone looks great! >> >> Ken >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 13:24:04 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:24:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill Message-ID: <7f502.384ee481.39a6d5e4@aol.com> Jerry, To answer one of your questions, the shingles are made with the grain running the length of the shingle. Before powered mills came into existence, they were split by hand. A piece of log was cut, stood up on end, and split off the log using a "Froe" which is a knife blade with handle at a right angle to it. The Froe was hammered into the log face and then twisted back and forth so that the knife followed the grain rather than make its own path as a saw blade would. Wooden shingles were some of the first methods of covering a roof. As they were installed, they were double lapped to cover all seams. However, it was not unusual to look up thru a roof and see daylight and the roof would not leak. Having the grain run the length made is very simple to split some off when you needed a smaller piece to finish up a row, or to cover up the next lap, etc. One of the most common woods in the early days was American Chestnut, which was virtually rot proof, but now extinct due to a blight in the early 1900's. Cedar and white oak also were commonly used. The making and installation of shingles in mostly a lost art, however some are occasionally used on siding to give historic look. No roofs are done to my knowledge. I may be able to find a picture of a froe. Hope this helps. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 25 13:28:21 2010 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:28:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill Message-ID: <7f9c5.689b0434.39a6d6e5@aol.com> Jerry, here is how to make shingles with a froe. _http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1973-11-01/How-To-Hand-Split- Shakes.aspx Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _ (http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1973-11-01/How-To-Hand-Split-Shakes.aspx) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 14:38:41 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:38:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100825182916.01e86a28@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, I am using ponderosa "Blue" Pine only to demonstrate. They would have used sawed dimentional lumber without the bark. Shingles are usually 16 inches long and in this neck of the woods would have been cedar or redwood as they contain their own oil and last forever. Not used too much anymore as they do turn an ugly color and fire insurance would kill us. As far as the thickness, ours has #8 sprockets and there were others available for different thicknesses. As Tom mentioned you could see the sun thru the roof, but it never leaked. Today you would have to go or have a sawmill that would cut the proper lumber...and we did just that at the Barnes' Steam and power show. A buzz saw was used to cut it to proper 16 inch lengths. Take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Evans To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill At 06:00 PM 25/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:27:38 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase Shingle Mill. Close to >two years have gone into this freshen up job and still needs some >tweaking. I have now moved the carriage rollers up two inches and should >cut an eight inch shingle. What your seeing is "Blue Ponderosa Pine" and >not what we'd like..that is cedar or redwood which is way too far >away. You'll see the blue show up about half way thru the block or "bolt" >as it was called. > It's been a real joy and hope you enjoy the video also. >Sorry for the html >http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3055285890039077051cRBfFc> >Best regards...Life is good in "The Big Sky." >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Hope you are keeping well. That's a really great setup. We never used shingles in South Africa so it's something unique to me - may I ask a few questions? i)I do understand that these were used as cladding on buildings and I assume overlapping each other for water runoff. Were they used on roofs as well as walls ? ii)Those in the video looked very thin (the light shone through some of them, what is the thickness and did they get any kind of preservative treatment before being used? iii) Are they cut "with the grain" ie. does the grain run lengthwise on the final product? It would appear the best way but the reason for my question is that I found it interesting that to do that the "bolt" would have been a crosscut piece of the log and that itself would need some pretty impressive machinery to produce. iV) Are the "bolts" still readily available from sawmills or is it a bygone industry? All for now. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 14:45:06 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Hey, Wink: > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > bring the loader. > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > protected?.....Hmmm! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 25 14:48:56 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:48:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We do have a few horizontals shown at Montana shows, and they do have the vertical Chases' on the right side of the big river. I've heard that one guy in Pa. even has the patterns. BTW our 32 inch blade is not OEM...the smallest were 36 and were a special grind....still available but to the tune of 600 to 1000 rockets. You take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Rick: Nice video! That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in action and is very different from the first one which had a horizontal saw blade. Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase > Shingle Mill. .................snippety snip........................ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 15:15:47 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:15:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:50:31 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD12C76DFA8F98-1380-3DE7@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Sounds good Elden! I'll see you there about dark thirty! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20 am Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Hey, Wink: Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you bring the loader. If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > protected?.....Hmmm! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:54:06 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Steve Royster To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Hey, Wink: > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > bring the loader. > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > winkandginger at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > protected?.....Hmmm! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 16:59:38 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:59:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com><8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 17:03:08 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:03:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:44 PM, John Neth wrote: > New here where are you guys ALL RIGHT! A guy with a .mac address, sending from his iPhone. WELCOME! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 17:09:38 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:09:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 26 August 2010 00:59, wrote: > Thanks Rob, ?I see you didn't make to Portland either! ?You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink It's been a good day, started out grey, but cleared to a fine but not too hot afternoon. Walked most of the site a couple of times, taken about 300 pictures and some video footage. Just about to start editing. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 17:10:49 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:10:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C76DFA8F98-1380-3DE7@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: We need to figure out which of the Royster boys is at Portland. HE's the one we need to visit. Better make it about oh dark forty-five. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:51 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > Sounds good Elden! I'll see you there about dark thirty! From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 17:12:13 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:12:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Wink: I done sent 'ya Plan B. Maybe I need to change that to Stealth Plan B. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:54 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! > > Wink > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll > find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 17:47:06 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <596571.19505.qm@web111713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We just have two horizontals at the Buckley, Michigan show. That sweet one you have sure would be a hit. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Richard Strobel wrote: From: Richard Strobel Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:48 PM We do have a few horizontals shown at Montana shows, and they do have the vertical Chases' on the right side of the big river.? I've heard that one guy in Pa. even has the patterns.? BTW our 32 inch blade is not OEM...the smallest were 36 and were a special grind....still available but to the tune of 600 to? 1000 rockets. You take care, Rick ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Elden ? To: The SEL email discussion list ? Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:26 AM ? Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! ? Rick: ? Nice video!? That is the second shingle mill I've ever seen in ? action and is very different from the first one which had a ? horizontal saw blade. ? Which part tilts to make the taper, the saw or the carriage? ? Take care - Elden ? http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand ? > -----Original Message----- ? > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com ? > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On ? > Behalf Of Richard ? > Strobel ? > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 PM ? > To: The SEL email discussion list ? > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! ? > ? > ? > I guess now is a good time to show off our Chase ? > Shingle Mill. ? .................snippety snip........................ ? _______________________________________________ ? SEL mailing list ? SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com ? http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From winkandginger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 17:55:57 2010 From: winkandginger at aol.com (winkandginger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:55:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CD12D093B88833-1380-4E74@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Elden, It's a good thing we're discussing this "off line", otherwise we would have blown our cover by now! OK,.... back to the shop, Wink -----Original Message----- From: Elden To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! Wink: I done sent 'ya Plan B. Maybe I need to change that to Stealth Plan B. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:54 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Uh oh, Elden.....go to plan B !! > > Wink > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll > find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 18:20:14 2010 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:20:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you > > enter the wrong engine shed! > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:20:46 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > Hey, Wink: > > > > > > Let's meet at Tommy's shed. I'll bring a two tonner and you > > > bring the loader. > > > > > > If Tommy happens to be home, we can go on over to the Roysters > > > place. I'd really like to get my hands on an original McVicker! > > > :-) > > > > > > Take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > > > > winkandginger at aol.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM > > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Elden, and the rest of the "stay at home folks" > > > > Maybe if they send more pictures, it won't be as hard > > > > on us who have to remain on the homefront. > > > > By-the-way, did they leave their engine sheds un > > > > protected?.....Hmmm! > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 18:53:44 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:53:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which > one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > Are Mike's engines all being offered individually, or can I get a bulk price for a trailerful? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 25 20:27:49 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:27:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com> <162F1C4F-F039-4C2F-873F-273D4A6B0AE1@mac.com> Message-ID: Hand that man a rotary dial phone!! 8-)) On Wed, August 25, 2010 8:03 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:44 PM, John Neth wrote: >> New here where are you guys > > ALL RIGHT! > A guy with a .mac address, sending from his iPhone. > WELCOME! From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 25 20:38:53 2010 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CD12C7EFF6DDCF-1380-3F0B@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <871572117d75796a4d1f6d3305a8d70d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!! The tricky Royster that's at Portland left ALL of his old iron at home!! He's come to Portland with an empty truck, empty trailer, two engines to pick up, and an emgine mate new to the hobby who's arrived at Portland with a thick wad of 10's and 20's and an itch to leave 'em all here in return for some rusty old iron. See ya, Arnie On Wed, August 25, 2010 9:20 pm, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue > tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 25 22:03:00 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:03:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C753FE5.5020600@coastalnet.com><8CD12894EA9B7FB-2208-1353@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink Heck, no! Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 02:48:28 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <962960.61771.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 1:03 AM On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Rob,? I see you didn't make to Portland either!? You might? > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > Wink Heck, no! Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Aug 26 03:43:25 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:43:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's was quiet! but the Aussies have arrived Message-ID: <380-220108426104325991@M2W133.mail2web.com> Hi all We have arrived after 24 hours of travel. At Super 8 Elk Grove, Chicago now leaving for Decatur this morning. May get to Portland today, Thursday, if not see you at the dinner. Peter, oz -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 05:11:17 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <13805578.1282824677716.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost take his engine by mistake (?) Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Arnie Fero >Sent: Aug 25, 2010 11:38 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > >DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!! > >The tricky Royster that's at Portland left ALL of his old iron at home!! >He's come to Portland with an empty truck, empty trailer, two engines to pick up, >and an emgine mate new to the hobby who's arrived at Portland with a thick wad of >10's and 20's and an itch to leave 'em all here in return for some rusty old iron. > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, August 25, 2010 9:20 pm, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >> Just pull into the drive way and if you see a dead spot in the grass with a blue >> tarp laying there that's the Royster that is at Portland. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 26 07:50:02 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <8CD12D093B88833-1380-4E74@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah, Wink - we can't be too careful! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > winkandginger at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:56 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > Elden, It's a good thing we're discussing this "off > line", otherwise we would have blown our cover by now! From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Aug 26 07:54:26 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:54:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <33094E8E-5F43-4388-96F9-B0B0D30E270D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A case of beer delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, giving us least twelve hours to do the deed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > > > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:59 PM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland > either! You might > > want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! > > > > Wink > > > Heck, no! > Everyone in the county knows that when Tommy leaves town, > he leaves behind Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane and Deputy > Enos Strate to keep an eye on things. From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 26 08:06:45 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:06:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <4C768305.6030808@windstream.net> On 8/25/10 5:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which one if you enter the wrong engine shed! Beware, Tommy! While you are having to keep your eyes on the Royster hovering arund your trailer, the other Royster is free to make a run to Kentucky to snatch a whole trailer load!!! Mike PS. Steve, if you drop off his 8 hp IHC at my place, I'll keep y'all's plan off-list and a secret! From oldironnut at windstream.net Thu Aug 26 08:12:48 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:12:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> On 8/25/10 3:26 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Rick, GREAT looking saw!! Do the shingles have a tapered thickness or are they uniform thickness? Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Aug 26 09:16:32 2010 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:16:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! now shingle mill In-Reply-To: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> References: <8CD11FF279F95A2-9DC-5F46@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <4C768470.7080707@windstream.net> Message-ID: When it's working right Mike, the shingles are tapered. The upper and lower sprockets have catches, short spaced and long spaced. When one advances short the other advances long..then visa versa. Hopefully this video will clear it up; http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3063583140039077051NPuznM?vhost=good-times take care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Tucker To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! On 8/25/10 3:26 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Here are two video's (click next for the second one), that show the operation of the carriage and wood block advancing feature. You might need some motion sickness pills on the first one...second one I used a monopod. You'll see the clutch is sticky and this is a big priority to get fixed! Rick, GREAT looking saw!! Do the shingles have a tapered thickness or are they uniform thickness? Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Aug 26 09:32:34 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:32:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100826183111.00dd42f0@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 26/08/2010, you wrote: >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:38:41 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet!/Shingle Mill >Jerry, I am using ponderosa "Blue" Pine only to demonstrate. They would >have used sawed dimentional lumber without the bark. Shingles are usually >16 inches long and in this neck of the woods would have been cedar or >redwood as they contain their own oil and last forever. Not used too much >anymore as they do turn an ugly color and fire insurance would kill >us. As far as the thickness, ours has #8 sprockets and there were others >available for different thicknesses. As Tom mentioned you could see the >sun thru the roof, but it never leaked. > > Today you would have to go or have a sawmill that would cut the proper > lumber...and we did just that at the Barnes' Steam and power show. A > buzz saw was used to cut it to proper 16 inch lengths. > >Take care, >Rick Hi Rick and Tom, Thanks for the information and links. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 11:57:18 2010 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:57:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: References: <8CD128B22EAD7DA-2208-185E@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com>, , , , Message-ID: Individually on list , or meet me at his warehouse for the bulk discount! Keep this quiet, Mike doesn't have a computer with him and he'll never know till he gets home! /Steve > From: rob at rustyiron.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:53:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Royster wrote: > > > > One of the roysters is not at portland, guess you'll find out which > > one if you enter the wrong engine shed! > > > > Are Mike's engines all being offered individually, or can I get a bulk > price for a trailerful? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 23:10:35 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:10:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral pages update Message-ID: I have been doing some scanning and added some more images of Australs from catalogues and factory images at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/awimages_1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Aug 27 13:53:16 2010 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:53:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show Message-ID: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at Gardnerville Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's there and running. Pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01vuc From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 14:28:26 2010 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:28:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CFDE887FC99403482E96F17E1D078E9@VALUED3253602F> Ron, Thanks for the pictures. Looks like it was a success. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:53 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show Hi all. Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at Gardnerville Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's there and running. Pictures at: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 27 14:38:57 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:38:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <2BC93B7F-D49A-4FC0-ACC3-600767ED9BE8@rustyiron.com> On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:53 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual show at > Gardnerville > Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. There were 17 T's > there and running. Pictures at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGardnervilleShow# > If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Looks like a lot of nice T's and JOAT's out there, Ron. I think Frank Moody's big T is still for sale, if you need another. Rob From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Aug 27 15:31:42 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show In-Reply-To: <20100827.135414.956.260420@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: That's the most T's (Jack of All Trades) engines I've ever seen pictured in one place. I remember several years ago when a Jack of All Trades was a rare bird, indeed. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM > To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks T's at Gardnerville NV show > > > Hi all. > Last weekend EDGE branch 132 had their 15th annual > show at Gardnerville > Nevada. The feature engine was Fairbanks Morse T. > There were 17 T's > there and running. Pictures at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FairbanksTSAtGar dnervilleShow# If they had more information on the sighs I would have it for you. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c782619636d6985c16st01v uc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com Fri Aug 27 17:58:42 2010 From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:58:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] age ofcrossley Message-ID: Hello all, Can some body advise me of the age of this Crossley engine So 119308 RPM 600 TYPE VOSE7 BHP 11-12 and where can I get information can supply photos Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:10:50 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:10:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <8CD12C8B5F5D288-1380-408D@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing that...now I do! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of winkandginger at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Aug 27 20:15:32 2010 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <39d6d.7075c10.39a9d954@aol.com> Tommy the American tradition is under ground. KK In a message dated 8/27/2010 11:13:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing that...now I do! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of winkandginger at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Thanks Rob, I see you didn't make to Portland either! You might want to join Elden and myself at Tommy's shed! Wink -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:25 AM, WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: > Pictures! More pictures! The next best thing to being there! > > I put a name to everyone except the gentleman to Reg's right. > > Life is good, > > Wink Tom Ball _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:17:13 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:17:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <962960.61771.qm@web111721.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071C1DD8F86E4D2A9B177B781C7B459D@D2JYVHJ1> Alan, Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:19:39 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:19:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <13805578.1282824677716.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, Now you understand why I ran a locked chain through the flywheels of my engine each evening. Tommy Turner One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost take his engine by mistake (?) Tim Christoff From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:28:39 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:28:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well Elden, you're in for a surprise. Roscoe and Enos are teetotalers. You've got them mixed up with the other two deputies, Bubba and Ace. Tommy Turner Rob: That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A case of beer delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, giving us least twelve hours to do the deed! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 20:30:55 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C768305.6030808@windstream.net> Message-ID: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> Mike, I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been "Roystered" again! Tommy Turner PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? Beware, Tommy! While you are having to keep your eyes on the Royster hovering arund your trailer, the other Royster is free to make a run to Kentucky to snatch a whole trailer load!!! Mike PS. Steve, if you drop off his 8 hp IHC at my place, I'll keep y'all's plan off-list and a secret! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Aug 27 20:37:34 2010 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:37:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] age ofcrossley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80BD4A68B32E4AEB92FE38760ACA853E@KerryPC> Kevin contact the Anson Museum as they have the Crossley data, you have to fill out a form and it does cost for the data http://www.enginemuseum.org/ Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > Can some body advise me of the age of this Crossley engine So 119308 RPM > 600 TYPE VOSE7 BHP 11-12 > and where can I get information > can supply photos From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Aug 27 21:25:28 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:25:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <829146.38228.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 27 21:42:33 2010 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:42:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F785912-0E44-40E4-87CC-69DBCCE9434F@rustyiron.com> On Aug 27, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Hey, Rob was in my shed several months ago. I saw him have a piece of > paper that he was sketching out a diagram on and labeling things > "Geiser", "Springfield", etc. I didn't know why he was doing > that...now > I do! That's right, Tommy. I had to make a list of those "common" engines that I don't want to waste my time on. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 05:52:52 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Message-ID: <932915.54267.qm@smtp107-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Send me your address Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Windows? phone. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:25 PM To: ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > [The entire original message is not included] From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Aug 28 06:39:21 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:39:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy: We sent Roscoe and Enos to the big tent revival in E-town. Bubba and Ace got the beer. Anyway, we checked over your shed(s) and didn't find anything worth lifting into the truck. Just a lot of rusty 'ol junk. Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:29 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > > > Well Elden, you're in for a surprise. Roscoe and Enos > are teetotalers. > You've got them mixed up with the other two deputies, > Bubba and Ace. > > Tommy Turner > > > > > Rob: > > That's not a problem. Roscoe and Enos are easy. A > case of beer > delivered to the back seats of their patrol cars of those fine > gentlemen will ensure that they are mellowed out, > giving us least > twelve hours to do the deed! From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 11:48:37 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <071C1DD8F86E4D2A9B177B781C7B459D@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <608790.9981.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guns yes but there is still nothing functional between the ears. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:17 PM Alan, ??? Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Aug 28 13:14:46 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] R&V CD Message-ID: <380-2201086282014462@M2W104.mail2web.com> I will bring a copy home Patrick. Regards Peter Lowe Hi Joe, If you have any spare cds of R&V literature I would love a copy. Thanks, Patrick On 23/8/10 1:23 PM, "Joe Prindle" wrote: > Arnie, > While I am sure you do bring something that makes plants grow, I doubt it is > sun....... > ? > It was sure great to see you guys at Baraboo. I was so disappointed to learn > that the reporter from the Baraboo News Republic (AKA The Prairie Pravda) was > unable to interview Dave. I did my best to explain the list to him and will > see if any of it makes it's way into print. > ? > I hope that you all have a great time at Portland, wish I could be there. We > will be at Mt. Pleasant for the R & V reunion, and I have scanned all of our R > & V literature and will bring CD's for all who want one. > Later, > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, Arnie Fero wrote: > > > From: Arnie Fero > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2010 > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > Tommy, > > You can thank me for the awesome weather.? In England I'm known as the "Sun > Bringer" > and am regularly hired for weddings and bar mitzvas.? 8-)) > > See ya,? Arnie > > On Sat, August 21, 2010 11:16 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> Looks like the weather is going to absolutely fantastic for Portland >> this year.? Highs in the upper 70's to low 80's.? NO RAIN!? There was >> some pretty severe storms headed that way late yesterday but they fell >> apart when they got to central IN.? Somebody is living right in >> Portland!? See everyone soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 28 17:21:06 2010 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:21:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew In-Reply-To: <608790.9981.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well Alan, I didn't mean brains! Tommy Turner -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:49 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew Guns yes but there is still nothing functional between the ears. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: From: Judge Tommy Turner Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:17 PM Alan, ??? Hey, both of them are "packin". Tommy Turner It should be easy pickin's with those two on guard. ? Alan in Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From STB440 at aol.com Sat Aug 28 18:02:15 2010 From: STB440 at aol.com (STB440 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:02:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <5f3a2.7d761eab.39ab0b97@aol.com> That's Tom Ball from Oregon, Ohio From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 06:58:23 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! Message-ID: <28529771.1283090303428.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I thought that was a bit unusal when I seen the chain. That Alamo was awful close to the Hagen though. -----Original Message----- >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Sent: Aug 27, 2010 11:19 PM >To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SEL] It's quiet! > >Tim, > Now you understand why I ran a locked chain through the >flywheels of my engine each evening. > >Tommy Turner > > > > > >One wonders why he is set up so close to Boss Tommy, they could almost >take his engine by mistake (?) > >Tim Christoff > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 07:02:23 2010 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland crew Message-ID: <29411139.1283090543674.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You won't have that problem anymore Elden, Mike has a brand new engine tarp that should show up well on the satelite images now. It stands out better than the old blue ones. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Elden >Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Tim Christoff From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 29 10:42:26 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:42:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland crew References: <29411139.1283090543674.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01cb47a1$8ba0a960$0201a8c0@mikecomp> Yes, thanks to the hard work of Tim's mother-in-law, I have a "new" engine tarp. Actually it was for my brother Steve and his "girlie engines" but since he could not make Portland, I was fortunate enough to receive the custom tarp on my engine. I can't wait to see the pictures show up! Give it up Tim! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland crew > You won't have that problem anymore Elden, Mike has a brand new engine > tarp that should show up well on the satelite images now. It stands out > better than the old blue ones. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Elden > >>Couldn't find the Roysters. They are too far out in the hills! >> >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 29 18:38:26 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:38:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? Dave On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Now on Oldengine.org: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Baraboo2010/Baraboo10Menu1.htm > > There is NO main page icon yet, will do that later. > > Peter From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 29 19:18:37 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:18:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Great song Message-ID: <006301cb47e9$befe9ae0$0201a8c0@mikecomp> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sallie Craig To: Mark Hudson ; Royster, Ann ; mr at carolina.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Great song Who doesn't love BBQ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 23:56:37 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:56:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> References: <748B6772-CF04-422F-9B7A-0F4D63EA704B@me.com> Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 02:38, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? > ? ? ? ?Dave > Nope, just us two..... :-)) Most of the early pictures were taken on the Thursday, before everyone turned up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 00:21:02 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:21:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland & Baraboo Shows Message-ID: We had a great fortnight, met up with all the regulars and both shows were really good. Apart from the thunderstorm at Baraboo (which we missed) the weather was good, and the engine selection was better than average. The Charity Dinner & Auction went off well, Dave would be able to confirm figures, but I think it was over $1400 or so, with 25 bidders. We drove about 2000 miles all told, visited lots of Antique Malls and bought far more stuff than we had room for in our luggage, fortunately American Airlines didn't hit us for our overweight bags on the flight back home! Thanks to Dave Rotigel and Arnie Fero for the welcome and hospitality, and to Jim Dunmyer for bringing along some parts for us that we had bought back in April for our Land Rover Discovery. The outstanding engine item has to be Brian & Jonathan Triebner's Otto Slide Valve engine, superb runner and so nice to watch running. We were able to get close up with the cameras on Friday and have taken a 9 minute video of it running, I'll post the URL later when it has finished. We did try to upload it last evening but had trouble with Youtube, it is 1.1gb file size. It was very good to see Mike Tucker in better shape than when we last saw him in 2008, excellent news that his condition has stabilised. All too soon it was time to say our goodbyes, and we left Portland at 4pm to drive up to Chicago. The flight home on Saturday morning was good, our youngest son met us at Heathrow, and we were home by 12.40am. Looking through the picture files of both shows, it was clear that the hobby is in good shape, and the attendance at both shows indicated that the recession hasn't hit too badly. Thanks to everyone for a great time. Peter & Rita Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 03:49:00 2010 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:49:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 In-Reply-To: <932915.54267.qm@smtp107-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe & Peter, Thanks Joe for the offer of the CD and Peter for bringing it back to Oz. What a great hobby this is :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 30 04:02:57 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:02:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] US trip Message-ID: Hi all Had a great time at Portland, too short as usual, with some great engine friends. No room for toys this time, US customs are going to have a hard enough time working out what an R&V crankshaft, governor and head look like through X-ray. We headed off to Indianapolis to show my son Chris the motor museum etc only to arrive in the middle of the MotoGP weekend, thousands of bikes everywhere and 91F (33C) temps. So we decided to keep heading to Moline, Illinois to the R&V engine/car factory site to do some more R&V research. Found heaps of new info. We then head to Mount Pleasant, Iowa to the R&V Expo with some nice large R&V's coming and a large number of R&V made cars. I hope to keep the R&V web site updated with photos from Mount Pleasant, nice to have 54Mbps high speed internet. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 30 05:25:18 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:25:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> References: <0F6F1A88E61F431FA0EA067D398E1E90@D2JYVHJ1> Message-ID: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> On 8/27/10 11:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally > empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been > "Roystered" again! > > Tommy Turner > > PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? Tommy, It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! Mike From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 30 07:29:36 2010 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> Message-ID: <5092097FEA8646119FA347A07D814581@laruecounty.courthouse> No telling where its at Mike...my guess is its hid in the NC hills somewhere! Tommy Turner It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 30 08:27:06 2010 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:27:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's quiet! In-Reply-To: <4C7BA32E.5040809@windstream.net> Message-ID: <20100830152706.LUFJP.48098.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Nope, still just the bad older brother. I have witnesses to prove i was at Portland, why I was with the Judge the whole time! MR ---- Michael Tucker wrote: > On 8/27/10 11:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > Mike, > > I made it home about 8:00 this evening and the sheds are totally > > empty. Not even a rusty nut or bolt is left! Looks like I've been > > "Roystered" again! > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > PS: I wonder if there is an 8 HP IHC in Midway, KY now? > > Tommy, > > It looks like we're both empty handed because as much as I dreamed about > it, no 8 hp IHC in my barn! Maybe BOTH of those Royster brothers are BAD!!! > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 09:28:31 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:28:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video Message-ID: Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen on your PC media player. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 09:56:27 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BEAUTIFUL Peter! THANKS!!!!!!!! Dave PS, It works on an Apple as well! On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Aug 30 10:26:30 2010 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:26:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7BE9C6.4090207@windstream.net> On 8/30/10 12:28 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter VERY NICE Peter! Great video of an amazing engine! Thanks, Mike From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 11:11:58 2010 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:11:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter: Thanks so much for the detailed video of the Otto! I really like the oilers as well as hearing the ignition flame as it transfers(?) to the ignition port. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths inventors went to in order to ignite the fuel charge. Lenoir in the early 1860's used high tension jump-spark ignition, decades before it was taken up by others. His ignition system had it's oddities, too. The Rumkhoff (sp?) trembler coil ran all the time and spark was timed in the high tension circuit via a distributor of sorts. Flame, hot tube, ignitor then back to the high tension spark plug. Surprising to me, ignitors lasted well into the 1920's in stationary engines. There ain't nuthin' new under the sun! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Stationary-Engine > Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video From kosh at ncweb.com Mon Aug 30 11:39:13 2010 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20100830143809.048d8440@ncweb.com> This is nothing but pure engine porn! Dave Merchant At 12:28 PM 8/30/2010, you wrote: >Here's the link: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > >It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen >on your PC media player. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 14:43:54 2010 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Nice pictures. I did notice your Page 61 has a bad link. ? Alan in Michigan having fun at Buckley while you were at Baraboo. --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Listerdiesel wrote: From: Listerdiesel Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 2:56 AM On 30 August 2010 02:38, David Rotigel wrote: > WOW Peter, were there no people at Baraboo? > ? ? ? ?Dave > Nope, just us two..... :-)) Most of the early pictures were taken on the Thursday, before everyone turned up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 16:40:13 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:40:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Pictures (2) In-Reply-To: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <252703.92312.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 22:43, Alan wrote: > Hi Peter, > Nice pictures. > I did notice your Page 61 has a bad link. > > Alan in Michigan having fun at Buckley while you were at Baraboo. Thanks for the heads-up Alan, should be fixed now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 18:26:26 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:26:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 17:28, Listerdiesel wrote: > Here's the link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtqcW_q38CU > > It is in hi-definition wide-screen format, so should play full-screen > on your PC media player. > > Peter I have split the original file up and processed it at a lower resolution of 640 X 480 in MPEG1 format, and saved the separate files here: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve1.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve2.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve3.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve4.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve5.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve6.mpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve7.mpg Anyone can then download the files and run any time they want. File 1 is 6mb, File 2 is 36mb, File 3 is 14mb, File 4 is 5.7mb, File 5 is 6mb, File 6 is 3.2mb and File 7 is 25mb. File 7 takes 54 seconds to download on our broadband connection. I'm off to bed! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 18:55:07 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:55:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Otto Slide Valve Engine Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7DE423-26DD-4BC0-8B16-FF6420EE13F7@me.com> > Hi Peter, Have you done this for those who have PC's? Dave > I have split the original file up and processed it at a lower > resolution of 640 X 480 in MPEG1 format, and saved the separate files > here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve1.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve2.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve3.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve4.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve5.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve6.mpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland2010/OttoSlideValve7.mpg > > Anyone can then download the files and run any time they want. > > File 1 is 6mb, File 2 is 36mb, File 3 is 14mb, File 4 is 5.7mb, File 5 > is 6mb, File 6 is 3.2mb and File 7 is 25mb. > > File 7 takes 54 seconds to download on our broadband connection. > > I'm off to bed! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Mon Aug 30 19:14:12 2010 From: gastzt at aol.com (Stan Zettner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:14:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner Message-ID: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> If you are not able to click these links, click the following: ??Show content?? and try again. E-mail sent 8/30/2010 10:14:04 PM, by Stan Zettner: Hello, Imagine one day I changed my e-mail address... and automatically, and without having to tell you, my new address was entered in your address book! It?s now possible! UNYK is a really effective tool that allows you to securely and more easily than ever manage all your contacts. As soon as one of your contacts changes his or her contact info, your address book is automatically updated and vice versa. With UNYK, from now on, the only contact info you have to keep up to date is your own. Can I add you as one of my contacts? To accept, click here! http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/64/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 You too can create your own smart address book. It?s simple, free and 100% secure. Stan Zettner UNYK : XNH 358 Please do not reply to this email directly. Questions? Contact us - http://unyk.com/en/Contact UNYK Inc., 1010 de Serigny, suite 820, Longueuil, QC, J4K 5G7, Canada. I no longer wish to receive invitations to join UNYK from Stan Zettner: Unsubscribe http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/78/?mid=9F91A2AD817B859E&email=sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&s=20098721&w=1283206444 I never again wish to receive invitation to join UNYK: Unsubscribe http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/65/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 UNYK, the first smart address book that updates itself! From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 30 19:49:31 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:49:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner In-Reply-To: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> References: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> Message-ID: <40C5C6FE-B4A7-4F03-BCFD-D351180E4E38@me.com> Hi Stan, Why in the hell would I want your e-address? Dave On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Stan Zettner wrote: > > > If you are not able to click these links, click the following: ? > Show content ? and try again. > E-mail sent 8/30/2010 10:14:04 PM, by Stan Zettner: > > > > Hello, > > > > Imagine one day I changed my e-mail address... and automatically, > and without having to tell you, my new address was entered in your > address book! It?s now possible! > > UNYK is a really effective tool that allows you to securely and more > easily than ever manage all your contacts. > > As soon as one of your contacts changes his or her contact info, > your address book is automatically updated and vice versa. With > UNYK, from now on, the only contact info you have to keep up to date > is your own. > > Can I add you as one of my contacts? To accept, click here! > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/64/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > You too can create your own smart address book. > > It?s simple, free and 100% secure. > > > > Stan Zettner > UNYK : XNH 358 > > > > Please do not reply to this email directly. Questions? Contact us - http://unyk.com/en/Contact > UNYK Inc., 1010 de Serigny, suite 820, Longueuil, QC, J4K 5G7, Canada. > > I no longer wish to receive invitations to join UNYK from Stan > Zettner: Unsubscribe > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/78/?mid=9F91A2AD817B859E&email=sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > I never again wish to receive invitation to join UNYK: Unsubscribe > http://www.unyk.com/ml/346/65/?i=2D0C56B9275C46C78C1DCE795DEDFB9F&s=20098721&w=1283206444 > > > > UNYK, the first smart address book that updates itself! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sewell at ohio.edu Mon Aug 30 20:40:35 2010 From: sewell at ohio.edu (Steve Sewell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:40:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Personal invitation from Stan Zettner In-Reply-To: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> References: <7plag0$1ir4nks@ironport-b.unyk.com> Message-ID: --On Monday, August 30, 2010 22:14 -0400 Stan Zettner wrote: > > > If you are not able to click these links, click the following: He's gone. -steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at ohio.edu sewell at atis.net From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Aug 31 10:24:17 2010 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:24:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new book Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Now that the excitement of Portland is over you may want to sit back with a good book !! David Edgington's latest book "Wolseley Stationary Engines 1909 - 1975" is ready. As with all his books this one is worth having. I've got mine and it is a good read with a lot of pictures and useful information. I've already sold 30 of them to South African collectors in the last 10 days. You can order it securely online from his site here: Some shameless self promotion - quite a few of my engines feature in the book including the pic on the back cover . Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 11:36:35 2010 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mt. Pleasant Message-ID: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, I am really looking forward to heading down to the Mt. Pleasant show this year and am writing to say that I would really enjoy a visit with any of the SEL members who are in attendance. We will be in the R&V area, with several engines. If you are around, please look me up. We will have a canopy set up and several extra chairs. Looking forward to a relaxing weekend doing my favorite things, playing with engines, visiting with friends and watching the pretty ladies go by.................. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From rotigel at me.com Tue Aug 31 16:28:40 2010 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:28:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new book In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20100831191129.01e1a330@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Damn, this guy talks funny. Does he write any better? Dave PS, Thanks for the heads up Jerry! On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > Now that the excitement of Portland is over you may want to > sit > back with a good book !! > > David Edgington's latest book "Wolseley Stationary Engines > 1909 - > 1975" is ready. As with all his books this one is worth having. I've > got > mine and it is a good read with a lot of pictures and useful > information. > I've already sold 30 of them to South African collectors in the last > 10 days. > > You can order it securely online from his site here: > > > Some shameless self promotion - quite a few of my engines > feature > in the book including the pic on the back cover . > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 15:53:46 2010 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:53:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Videos Message-ID: I'm slowly working through the five mini-DVD's of videos for the Baraboo and Portland Shows. Here are a couple from Baraboo, featuring some hot fog machines. Nice old Steam drilling Rig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49Xq8Yq-kQ Case Traction Engine powering the hydraulic saw rig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z02-ElUTM8 Plus Baraboo club member's larger engines running in the club engine shed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0_b6voQYU8 (just uploaded so allow a few minutes for it to finish processing) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Aug 31 16:24:09 2010 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:24:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mt. Pleasant Show In-Reply-To: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <376093.76021.qm@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe Just arrived at Mount Pleasant and setup in the R&V show area, it is going to be a great show if the weather holds off. Hope your booked for the bus trip back to Moline to the R&V factory tomorrow, I am running one of those tours. Also Moline cars will be there. Should be a top day. I spend two days researching at the Moline library and Rock Island Historical Society. There are already some nice engines there including the only known surviving marine engine of Kenny Large. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia > Hi, > I am really looking forward to heading down to the Mt. Pleasant show this > year and am writing to say that I would really enjoy a visit with any of > the SEL members who are in attendance. We will be in the R&V area, with > several engines. If you are around, please look me up. We will have a > canopy set up and several extra chairs. > Looking forward to a relaxing weekend doing my favorite things, playing > with engines, visiting with friends and watching the pretty ladies go > by.................. > Joe > > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike > Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel