From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 02:16:04 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:16:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <003401ca2a85$da010f80$d0624b47@mikecomp>
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2009/8/31 Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:

> Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat
> him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?

Tell us more.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 03:19:19 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re.? Cast iron welding
?
What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys?? I have always heard that it takes a?trained technician?using special equipment and rod to do a superlative job.
??A few years ago ( before 9/11 )?I hauled a huge head to a shop in California??that did nothing but cast iron repairs.? it was expensive but beautifully done and worked well for as long as I had the engine.? I wanted to watch but was not permitted to do so.
?? Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question:? Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.? Would it be archived somewhere and still available?

From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep  1 05:02:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:02:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W297A3C6F45D6D651A16C20B4F10@phx.gbl>


Bill;

Cast Iron welding is not a tuff task, really.

the quality of the weld depends {to an extent on quality of the cast iron

your attempting to weld}

The casting needs to be very clean, the crack "VEE'd" out {almost all the way thru }

The piece pre-heated, a good quality rod used { there many} I like McKay or Lincoln.

Work at lower heat ranges, skip-weld along the break { clamp together} if need be.

Use many beads, chipping & wirebrushing the slag away COMPLETELY  between

each pass.

 

Note the Piece needs to be uniformly preheated, the hotter the better

{ to a point} not red hot, actually not even to change the color,

but close.

After welding the Piece needs to cool VERY SLOWLY , this can be buried

 in lime, sand, covered with several layers of a welding blanket, the poing is 

that the slow cooling will remove a lot of stress from the weld.

 

After its completely cooled, it can also be further stress relieved with an air needle gun.

 

Another note;  The bigger the piece { Mass}  the more the above is important,

the smaller it is the less important, also it can be welded in stages to eliminate 

the sudden heating of the part. Also it is of advantage to end-stop drill the 

cracks as well.

 

Cast iron welding is like learning to ride a bicycle, you may fall off

a time or two, but once you got, it its easy, by the way cast iron rod 

{ the good rods} weld like stainless steel, { like butter} & flow great.

 

The better the rod, the better the job as well .

 

www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

 

 

            Best of luck

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:19:19 -0700
> From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
> 
> 
> Greetings to SEL crew,
> >From Bill Young in Japan
> Re.  Cast iron welding
>  
> What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys?  I have always heard that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a superlative job.
>   A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California  that did nothing but cast iron repairs.  it was expensive but beautifully done and worked well for as long as I had the engine.  I wanted to watch but was not permitted to do so.
>    Thanks, standing by, Bill
> Another question:  Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.  Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  1 14:51:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:51:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006301ca2b4e$62035730$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Bill:

  Curt Holland recently attended a hands on demo for welding cast iron and 
it is as Frank described, but I believe it was a new type of rod.  Chime in 
here Curt!

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California 
that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  1 15:03:58 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:03:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>

Check out this website and watch the video clips they show welding cast iron 
using their rods.

http://www.muggyweld.com/castiron.html

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California 
that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Sep  1 16:37:50 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:37:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>
Message-ID: <001401ca2b5d$3814a370$a83dea50$@net.au>

It would be interesting to know successful silver soldering an exhaust
manifold would be as done on the Muggyweld site seeing that the melting
point of any silver solder would be below the operating temperature the
manifold.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 6:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING

Check out this website and watch the video clips they show welding cast iron

using their rods.

http://www.muggyweld.com/castiron.html

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California

that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Sep  1 17:32:22 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:32:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
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References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
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	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
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I have been following this closely.  fire 
fighters are back on the ground and fighting.

Here is the latest I have been able to find

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<http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/pitched-battle-underway-to-save-mt-wilson-from-fire-as-officials-cite-progress-elsewhere.html>Pitched 
battle underway to save Mt. Wilson from fire as 
officials cite progress elsewhere

September 1, 2009 |  4:24 pm

<http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a5956fa0970c-pi>
La-me-1station06_kpbeaznc


Firefighters made significant progress today in 
the Station fire, but a tense battle was underway 
this afternoon to save the communication centers atop Mt. Wilson from flames.

Officials announced this afternoon that most of 
the evacuation orders in La Ca?ada Flintridge and 
La Crescenta have been lifted. Crews were making 
good progress during the day on the fire's 
southern, northern and western fronts.

But firefighters were frantically trying to save 
the historic astronomical observatory and dozens 
of critical  TV and radio antennas from 
destruction. By 3 p.m., the fire was approaching 
closer than ever from two directions: one-half 
mile to the north and three-quarters of a mile to the west.

?We expect the fire to hit the Mt. Wilson 
facilities between 5 p.m. today and 2 a.m. 
Wednesday morning,? said Los Angeles County Fire 
Department Deputy Chief James Powers. ?Right now, 
we?re conducting controlled burns around the 
perimeter in preparation for the impending fire's 
arrival. We?re also bringing in trucks and 
special equipment to coat all of the structures 
with protective gel and foam if necessary. We do 
not plan to cover everything with a gooey mess.?

The equipment was driven in on the two-lane, 
five-mile long Mt. Wilson Road, which intersects 
Angeles Crest Highway. Access to the road was 
restricted to firefighters and law enforcement. 
Fire lined several sections of the road on both 
sides, and rocks were falling from denuded hillsides.

As he spoke from his ersatz headquarters in the 
observatory?s main office, myriad controlled 
burns set beneath canyon oaks and old incensed 
cedars cloaked the mountaintop with dense acrid smoke.

The air was also filled with the ear-splitting, 
blaring sounds of an observatory fire alarm system.

Chainsaws could be heard in every direction in 
the surrounding forest. Massive earth movers were 
being unloaded off flatbed trucks nearby. Powers 
said authorities had deliberately delayed 
diverting firefighters and equipment to the scene 
until the complex was in imminent danger.

?That time is now,? Powers said. Los Angeles 
County Fire Department Battalion Chief Steve 
Martin said, ?We are going to burn, cut, foam and 
gel. And if that doesn?t work, we?re going to 
pray. This place is worth a lot, but it?s not worth dying for. ?

In a worst-case scenario, firefighters were 
expected to retreat to the safety of the 
observatory parking lot or seek refuge in the 
concrete and steel basement of the 105-year-old, 
100-inch telescope observatory.

A Martin Mars air tanker, also known as a Super 
Scooper, dropped 7,500 gallons of water on Mt. 
Wilson, California Department of Forestry and 
Fire ProtectionCapt. Scott Visyak said.


Also, see http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

Frank


At 10:21 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
>http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm
>
>
>ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Sep  1 19:36:19 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:36:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
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>Good News

Chief Powers expressed his absolute confidence that they will save 
the Observatory. He said that while it may have appeared over the 
last day or so that the Observatory was being neglected, that they 
never lost sight of the importance of its preservation and it is now 
their highest priority. He flew up to the mountain yesterday, was 
delighted with what he found and knew they could achieve success 
here. There are now 150 fire fighters on Mount Wilson. Not only are 
the crews from Calaveras County (Cal Fire) back up there, but there 
are Los Angeles County fire fighters and even a crew from Helena, 
Montana. They have eight engines equipped to spray fire retardant on 
structures in addition to the crew engines. Chief Powers told me this 
army of fire fighters is "not going anywhere. They are very hard 
working and talented people who will get the job done."

 From

http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

Frank


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From swork at endacomm.com  Tue Sep  1 20:08:49 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:08:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<006301ca2b4e$62035730$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <EE755A6C5F3F4F76B1E93D01D6D964C4@ecsserverwebs>

We always used Nickel rods for AC/DC Arc welding of cast of farm equipment. 
The rods glow like cherry's while welding, and as someone else mentioned 
"Flow like hot butter" Granted, This was nearly 30 years ago to as recent as 
10 years ago. ( I left the farm back in '98) To my knowledge not one of the 
repairs has failed in that timespan.
 As far as the equipment, We had a Lincoln 225 AC/DC and a Lincoln Portable 
of similar size Both worked MUCH Better than the MIG for cast (Even with 
specified Wire/Gas combination) And required no special prep or cooling 
methods beying the normal V-Grooving of the break.

 Best of luck !

  Steve.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING


> Bill:
>
>  Curt Holland recently attended a hands on demo for welding cast iron and
> it is as Frank described, but I believe it was a new type of rod.  Chime 
> in
> here Curt!
>
> Mike Royster
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
>
>
>
> Greetings to SEL crew,
>>From Bill Young in Japan
> Re. Cast iron welding
>
> What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard
> that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a
> superlative job.
> A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in 
> California
> that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully
> done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch 
> but
> was not permitted to do so.
> Thanks, standing by, Bill
> Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.
> Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 06:09:41 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:09:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
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Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

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From weolson at wiktel.com  Wed Sep  2 07:19:57 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:19:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W285659797A536E5B0153D1C8F00@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <15910387180.20090902091957@wiktel.com>

Hi Luke,

Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:09:41 AM, you wrote:


LT> Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.

LT> Luke Tonneberger

LT> Rockford, Michigan

LT> USA 


Showed up fine here.
Northern Minnesota
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep  2 07:49:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <f08c387607adb4c7dd086655bc8aa672.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No worries Tommy.  With that lovely Miami sitting there no one noticed that you were
buck nekkid and getting sunburned.

Well, except for that one Cloistered Oyster Brother taking pictures and mumbling
"These are gonna cost Tommy a few engines, fer sure!"  8->>

On Sun, August 30, 2009 11:15 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the hotel...






From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:05:40 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:05:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <f08c387607adb4c7dd086655bc8aa672.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
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Message-ID: <SNT118-W14F630FE877F361696CFC7C8F00@phx.gbl>


Oh, I think several people noticed. That farmers tan was a sight to behold!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:49:50 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> No worries Tommy. With that lovely Miami sitting there no one noticed that you were
> buck nekkid and getting sunburned.
> 
> Well, except for that one Cloistered Oyster Brother taking pictures and mumbling
> "These are gonna cost Tommy a few engines, fer sure!" 8->>
> 
> On Sun, August 30, 2009 11:15 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> > I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the hotel...
> 

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:06:22 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:06:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
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strange, I'll have to resend.........

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:19:57 -0500
> From: weolson at wiktel.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Delete Test
> 
> Hi Luke,
> 
> Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:09:41 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> LT> Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.
> 
> LT> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> LT> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> LT> USA 
> 
> 
> Showed up fine here.
> Northern Minnesota
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 09:01:52 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:01:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp> 
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Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and brand new.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 

==============================
 
> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
> 


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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 09:03:09 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:03:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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I believe last year Brooky was the winner of the King Dick but Rob Skinner smooth talked her out of it with some protective Barbie Biking Gear and a picnic basket. Tim, you could have offered to trade her one of those flowery girly engines you have for the King Dick. Maybe next time Tim will have an opportunity to get a King Dick and won't be 'caught a bit short'.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 

============================
 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:25:13 -0500
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> I only stopped bidding because she really wanted that King Dick Wrench and it seems that after you reneged on the deal I was caught a bit short.
> 
> Tim (who has no knowledge of badges from EHOWT)
> 

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 13:36:35 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
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It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger. 
http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so 
important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen 
for them selves but for the others.)

There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a 
generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add 
to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the 
equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.

This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is 
a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I 
am just adding opinion.

Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and 
involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on 
top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still 
working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in 
there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control 
panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.

Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree" 
for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel 
(perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces 
and hobbed in place!

How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask Larry

If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your 
picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin 
Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925

Here is Larry's web site.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/


Frank



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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep  2 15:54:49 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:54:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net><004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<SNT118-W594BE1531EF27761241E92C8F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01ca2c20$604a2d10$d0624b47@mikecomp>

That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09





Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
brand new.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==============================

> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>


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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  2 16:07:50 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:07:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com><BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl><BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl><20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net><20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
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Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there 
are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I 
guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger.
> http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php
>
> I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so
> important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen
> for them selves but for the others.)
>
> There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a
> generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add
> to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the
> equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.
>
> This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is
> a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I
> am just adding opinion.
>
> Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and
> involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on
> top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still
> working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in
> there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control
> panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.
>
> Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree"
> for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel
> (perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces
> and hobbed in place!
>
> How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask 
> Larry
>
> If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your
> picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin
> Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
> He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925
>
> Here is Larry's web site.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> I want to know how God created the world.
> I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,
> in the spectrum of this or that element.
> I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
> --Albert Einstein--
>
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  2 16:53:50 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>
>
>
>Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
>brand new.
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>==============================
>
>> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>>
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep  2 17:31:31 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:31:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501ca2c2d$e2cb1170$d0624b47@mikecomp>

No no no Tim, let's get your facts straight.  They were not tarps, they were 
the leftover side curtains from my brother Steve's previous pop up awning. 
After it died, he could not bear to through them away so he made good use of 
them, being a properly raised tightwad Royster.  Russell never called them 
sissy engines.  He called them girly engines!

PS:  Sorry you came up short in your quest for a King Dick.

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there 
> engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after 
> they shot oil all over them though.  What was it that Russell called 
> them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and
>>brand new.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>==============================
>>
>>> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>>>
>>
>>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 17:48:27 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:48:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Tim, The  white tarps have been washed and crisply starched and are ready for the next show. My engines might have been sissy engines but where were Russell's engines?  How much trouble could it have been for him to have brought a few over with him and if he didn't want to haul them back to Oz, well my brother and I would have been happy to take care of them! Steve

 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though. What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >
> >That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
> >brand new.
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >
> >==============================
> >
> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >>
> >> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
> >>
> >
> >
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 18:13:39 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:13:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
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Actually it is more a campus then an observatory.  A lot of cool old 
stuff, and a lot of new research as well.

Here are a couple of sites to get a quick look
http://www.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/MWO/vir/vir.php
http://www.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/MWO/vis/selfguide.pdf

At 07:07 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:
>Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there
>are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I
>guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!
>
>Rick
>

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 20:01:04 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:01:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
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	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
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	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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A nice article about Mt Wilson
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mtwilson-scientists3-2009sep03,0,308354.story

And another.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-rotello/saving-mount-wilson_b_275493.html

Good Grief,  I just referenced the LA times and the Huffington Post I 
may need counseling.

Frank

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Sep  2 20:24:40 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:24:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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The NBC nightly news this evening did an large broadcast from Mt 
Wilson I thing they called it and they did talk about the antenna 
arrays but they did spend a good bit of time discussing the 
observatory actually acting concerned about it. They seemed to be 
properly concerned about it and told a small amount of history on the 
complex.    Mark



At 07:07 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:
>Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there
>are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I
>guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
>
>
> > It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger.
> > http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php
> >
> > I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so
> > important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen
> > for them selves but for the others.)
> >
> > There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a
> > generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add
> > to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the
> > equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.
> >
> > This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is
> > a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I
> > am just adding opinion.
> >
> > Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and
> > involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on
> > top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still
> > working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in
> > there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control
> > panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.
> >
> > Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree"
> > for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel
> > (perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces
> > and hobbed in place!
> >
> > How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask
> > Larry
> >
> > If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your
> > picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin
> > Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
> > He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925
> >
> > Here is Larry's web site.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
> >
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to know how God created the world.
> > I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,
> > in the spectrum of this or that element.
> > I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
> > --Albert Einstein--
> >
> >
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep  3 06:11:29 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink
	.net>
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Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie

On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered
> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over
> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy
> engines.





From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  3 19:58:35 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:58:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <31734191.1252033115967.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Your right Arnie, once I cross back over the Mississippi River my mind goes back into redneck mode and I tend to forget things that were said.  I don't even recall all this stuff about a King Dick.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2009 8:11 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie
>
>On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered
>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over
>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy
>> engines.
>
>
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  3 19:59:45 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:59:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <3883101.1252033185203.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yeah, I bet you would have been happy to take care of them.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 7:48 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
> 
>
>Tim, The  white tarps have been washed and crisply starched and are ready for the next show. My engines might have been sissy engines but where were Russell's engines?  How much trouble could it have been for him to have brought a few over with him and if he didn't want to haul them back to Oz, well my brother and I would have been happy to take care of them! Steve
>
> 
>
>
> 
>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500
>> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> 
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though. What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >
>> >That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>> >To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
>> >brand new.
>> >
>> >Luke Tonneberger
>> >Rockford, Michigan
>> >USA
>> >
>> >==============================
>> >
>> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >>
>> >> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Sep  4 10:19:29 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:19:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
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Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)

Russ

PS: did you all see the manly Austral Run during the rain!!
PSS: Steve might be looking for a gender change in is collection; He was
eyeing off the Austral when he noticed the for sale sign on it!!
PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)

> Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie
>
> On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there
>> engines covered
>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil
>> all over
>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah,
>> sissy
>> engines.
>
>
>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Sep  4 11:13:44 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:13:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <213230614-1252088188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356013943-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Russ, I believe the correct spelling is "mamanem." ;-)

-Tony


-----Original message-----
PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Sep  4 12:14:19 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 05:14:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
Message-ID: <E0C93F19D56648D5AA0CFBE52FD283B7@peterlowe>

Hi All
It is 5am and pouring rain and just heading off to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville, NSW,
Radar looks clear south of Coffs Harbour so fingers crossed.
It is a 2 1/2 hours drive in the dry so a little longer in the wet with the car trailer on and the Austral, more on that later.
Hope to get some good pics to show you all.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Sep  4 12:36:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:36:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <E0C93F19D56648D5AA0CFBE52FD283B7@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <259B6B4EB4554BFE87D2DF9DB8F6C981@tommyd0x52gkco>

Peter,
	Re-send me the photo of the ignitor you need.  Its on a computer
in the shop so I can't access it.  I found who had the ignitor we talked
about and the gent is waiting for me to tell him if we want it or not.
Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Oldengine.org; ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally


Hi All
It is 5am and pouring rain and just heading off to the Rusty Iron Rally
at Macksville, NSW, Radar looks clear south of Coffs Harbour so fingers
crossed. It is a 2 1/2 hours drive in the dry so a little longer in the
wet with the car trailer on and the Austral, more on that later. Hope to
get some good pics to show you all.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep  4 14:17:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:17:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <3a6e8f5083d2c2cca13de6384a822be8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  By Jove!  I think he's got it!  Bless his heart!

On Fri, September 4, 2009 1:19 pm, russell gilbert wrote:
> Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
> that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
> engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
> and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Sep  4 14:44:39 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <005901ca2da8$e85ff980$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Russ:

  Mamanem are fine as froghair.  Been emailing with your dad, telling him 
about you et-a-cat lessons we gave you at Portland and he was plum proud you 
was gettin sum learnin.  Bout the time you get that Southern charm working 
you will be in the heart of New York city, bless your heart!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "russell gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
> that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
> engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
> and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)
>
> Russ
>
> PS: did you all see the manly Austral Run during the rain!!
> PSS: Steve might be looking for a gender change in is collection; He was
> eyeing off the Austral when he noticed the for sale sign on it!!
> PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)
>
>> Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-)) 
>> Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there
>>> engines covered
>>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil
>>> all over
>>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah,
>>> sissy
>>> engines.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Sep  4 15:06:43 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:06:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi everyone,
         11:45 pm here.
         I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4 
engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
         The club would like more but they do not understand how much work 
is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning 
and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
         Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag 
along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey Engine 
guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show 
- that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it - 
then enjoy the show!!!
         They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in 
preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a 
lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to 
the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander 
off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant 
attendance to our engines.
         Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From sumron at southernphone.com.au  Fri Sep  4 15:27:54 2009
From: sumron at southernphone.com.au (sumron)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:27:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND 09
Message-ID: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all that were lucky enough to be at Portland, 

Certainly looks like Russell made us in OZ , PROUD, as he sure seems to have left his mark, ( re, girlie engines)  and I just know he cant get home quick enough to have a REAL BEER .
I take no responsibility for his ( if any ) bad behaviour, blame his mother for that ,

cheers all, John



John and  Norma Gilbert
RSD 370 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Sep  4 15:31:05 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:31:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <4AA19529.2060602@rustic-engines.com>

Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.

:-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>          11:45 pm here.
>          I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4 
> engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
>          The club would like more but they do not understand how much work 
> is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning 
> and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
>          Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag 
> along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey Engine 
> guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show 
> - that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it - 
> then enjoy the show!!!
>          They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in 
> preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a 
> lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to 
> the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander 
> off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant 
> attendance to our engines.
>          Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>
>
>   


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Sep  4 19:26:09 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:26:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
Message-ID: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>

A while back I was running an engine in the garage and some dude and  
his kid wandered up.  I had never seen them before, but they seemed  
nice, so I gave them the tour.  The dad said the engine reminded him  
of a game that he bought for his son, "Crazy Machines."  It sounded  
fun, but not so fun that I bothered to go out and buy it.  After all,  
if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me  
for a couple months.

Fast forward to last week:  I noticed an app called "Crazy Machines"  
at the iTune Store.  For $2.99, I couldn't resist.  Well... that's  
what I've been doing for the past week when I have a few minutes to  
kill.  It's pretty cool, and a steal for the price.

The premise is that you are supposed to complete a task using a  
variety of devices you have at your disposal.  Devices can be boards,  
bricks, levers, balls, flashlight, candle, torch, steam engine,  
pulleys, belts, wires, etc.  The finished system is a Rube Goldberg  
contraption.  You push the "start" button, and then you see if your  
contraption actually works.

I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also  
available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.

http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone

http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com







From rotigel at me.com  Fri Sep  4 19:27:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:27:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AC5BD71C-48D9-414F-8FA5-51E58561C8F7@me.com>

>  Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans

ONLY with the FATG!
	Dave


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Sep  4 19:53:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:53:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
In-Reply-To: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C0F3F0FBF4BF4F78B41D4254EF91B75A@larue10ijlvccx>

Rob,
	My son is the Nintendo wiz.  I'll have to get this for him

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:26 PM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads

A while back I was running an engine in the garage and some dude and  
his kid wandered up.  I had never seen them before, but they seemed  
nice, so I gave them the tour.  The dad said the engine reminded him  
of a game that he bought for his son, "Crazy Machines."  It sounded  
fun, but not so fun that I bothered to go out and buy it.  After all,  
if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me  
for a couple months.

Fast forward to last week:  I noticed an app called "Crazy Machines"  
at the iTune Store.  For $2.99, I couldn't resist.  Well... that's  
what I've been doing for the past week when I have a few minutes to  
kill.  It's pretty cool, and a steal for the price.

The premise is that you are supposed to complete a task using a  
variety of devices you have at your disposal.  Devices can be boards,  
bricks, levers, balls, flashlight, candle, torch, steam engine,  
pulleys, belts, wires, etc.  The finished system is a Rube Goldberg  
contraption.  You push the "start" button, and then you see if your  
contraption actually works.

I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also  
available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.

http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone

http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Sep  5 03:35:03 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:35:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
References: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <002401ca2e14$88959b10$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks for the DS tip. I'll look into getting it for my son--it may help him 
understand me better!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads


> I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also
> available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.
>
> http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone
>
> http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac
>
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
>



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Sep  5 03:41:09 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:41:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>

 Here is something else to consider. Ever wonder how much work goes into 
having working demonstrations at a show? By the time we get the grain binder 
out, canvases on, cut a load of wheat, load it up, take the canvases back 
off the binder and put it away, unload the wheat in a barn, load it back up 
at show time, run it through the equipment, and bring back home the grain 
and the bales of straw, quite a few man hours have been accumulated. All of 
that for only a few minutes demonstrations.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.


> Hi everyone,
>         11:45 pm here.
>         I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4
> engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
>         The club would like more but they do not understand how much work
> is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning
> and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
>         Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag
> along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey 
> Engine
> guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show
> - that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it -
> then enjoy the show!!!
>         They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in
> preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a
> lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to
> the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander
> off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant
> attendance to our engines.
>         Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep  5 05:35:04 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:35:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
Message-ID: <7D72588E50BE4208A63D9E119AED65B3@peterlowe>

Hi all

Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris
Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm

Peter, Oz

From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep  5 06:47:36 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:47:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com>

Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 06:59:42 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:59:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
In-Reply-To: <7D72588E50BE4208A63D9E119AED65B3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <090520091359.25727.4AA26ECE000CB11D0000647F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Congratulations to our mate Kerry...........at least now engine folks will get to see it run instead of it rusting away in someones shed.
Curt
-------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 


> Hi all 
> 
> Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris 
> Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th. 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm 
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 07:35:28 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:35:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Sep  5 08:06:57 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:06:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <be9.5b5791c8.37d3d891@aol.com>

AMEN to that one
 Stan


From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Sat Sep  5 09:26:40 2009
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:26:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerry's New Engine
Message-ID: <2D6119D72A2D431BAA5F5A09FC3C3B45@joe5599c86d812>

Congrats on the new engine Kerry.  I know where you can buy an even bigger one!

Joe

From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 10:24:03 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:24:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com><791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <1321460408-1252171608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-757413601-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I've never owned a pristine show winner and honestly don't care to.  Same way with the engines.  If it's so pretty that you're afraid to touch it or drive it, what's the point?

Cars were made to be DRIVEN.  In my opinion, people who own those flashy trailer queens are more about showing off than participating in and enjoying a hobby.

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>

Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:35:28 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Sep  5 10:38:32 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:38:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <d54.5a3b2556.37d3fc18@aol.com>

Hey Tony--
  100%  correct!   Why take out the  pleasure of just letting them DO THEIR 
JOB!   (engines etc)-!   They are  built to RUN and --- we even use them to 
keep time to  music!  We have 1 old 8hp Stover that keeps a PERFECT beat 
for our old  polka band ----lol----   we even put a mic in front of 
it----sounds  like PERFECT bass !   ( oh well,  don't mean to get off-the-wall  too 
much)   but it's TRUE!!!!
 Stan Zettner
 Pleasanton, Tx


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 11:48:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:48:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active in the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early '70's.  I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into the club and then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys) to serious judging shows.

Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the Plutocrats some with it.

Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 10:45:34 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <1321460408-1252171608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-757413601-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <5ECE2DDAE503433880DC8AC17C80603C@DBTOA000>

I agree for the most part with your comments Tony.  I always drove mine,
to parades, with the wife and kids to eat, etc.  The ones I have left
are not show cars and I'd rather have a brush painted clunker than a
high gloss one.  But, everyone has their own preference and if someone
wants to make their old engine look like a piece of glass with a high
gloss shine, that's OK with me.  I might not like it that way for myself
but I admire their painstaking work and effort.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
kimmell at verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

I've never owned a pristine show winner and honestly don't care to.
Same way with the engines.  If it's so pretty that you're afraid to
touch it or drive it, what's the point?

Cars were made to be DRIVEN.  In my opinion, people who own those flashy
trailer queens are more about showing off than participating in and
enjoying a hobby.

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>

Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:35:28 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:40:09 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:40:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0909051240t6e43c528s88d32092366d6668@mail.gmail.com>

Elden:

Now THAT looks like a ton of fun!

Paul in California


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Sep  5 13:10:55 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:10:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca2e64$f9d71470$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Love it!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


> Tommy:
>
> I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active in 
> the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early '70's. 
> I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into the club and 
> then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys) to serious 
> judging shows.
>
> Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster 
> out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the Plutocrats 
> some with it.
>
> Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie 
> here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep  5 13:39:09 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 06:39:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
References: <090520091359.25727.4AA26ECE000CB11D0000647F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B507FFDED3054AFF9D7B8655B4EDFDBB@peterlowe>

Oh ha ha ha ha Mr Andree who can only play engines six months of the year 
because he is afraid of the cold. :-)))
Pete




> Congratulations to our mate Kerry...........at least now engine folks will 
> get to see it run instead of it rusting away in someones shed.
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" 
> <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris
>> Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>>
>> Peter, Oz




From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep  5 13:55:13 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:55:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <85AB30BD-6C87-4989-B77F-05ADECC2F3F5@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob,
> 	I've been in the old car clubs


Holy Moly, Tommy!  I totally misjudged you.

But everyone makes a few mistakes in their lives.  We, being  
enginemen, can surely forgive the past indiscretions of your impetuous  
youth, and allow you to sit with us under our EZ-Ups.

Rob






From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 16:40:50 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:40:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5ECE2DDAE503433880DC8AC17C80603C@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

I agree with you about the "over restored" engines and cars.  They're nice eye candy but I -really- appreciate a runner and a driver.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:46 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
> 
> 
> I agree for the most part with your comments 
> Tony.  I always drove mine,
> to parades, with the wife and kids to eat, etc.  
> The ones I have left
> are not show cars and I'd rather have a brush 
> painted clunker than a
> high gloss one.  But, everyone has their own 
> preference and if someone
> wants to make their old engine look like a piece 
> of glass with a high
> gloss shine, that's OK with me.  I might not like 
> it that way for myself
> but I admire their painstaking work and effort.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 16:47:03 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:47:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0909051240t6e43c528s88d32092366d6668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It really was a lot of fun ........ back when gas was under a buck and I was younger.  The video with the Blonde in it (she was a co-worker at WAVE-TV where I worked at the time) was pretty tame.  A few years later, a guy from the same station decided he had to do a piece about it and this time the ride was a bit wilder.

You can read a description of Belchfire IV on my webpage below my signature or see the more adventurous piece by going to my little piece of YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/enginecoot

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of P. Johns
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 02:40 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
> 
> 
> Elden:
> 
> Now THAT looks like a ton of fun!
> 
> Paul in California




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 16:25:31 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:25:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <87F0E2B561A64DC2806BDEFA46605097@DBTOA000>

Elden,
	Boy you're bringing back some memories with Livingston Gilbert
anchoring that news program.  Believe it or not, I saw Mellisa Forsythe
about a year ago and she has aged very little.... I kid you not!  Still
a lovely and very pleasant lady.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Tommy:

I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active
in the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early
'70's.  I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into
the club and then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys)
to serious judging shows.

Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster
out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the
Plutocrats some with it.

Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie
here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 16:27:43 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:27:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <85AB30BD-6C87-4989-B77F-05ADECC2F3F5@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5565D635634444B38F81BE652D1914BE@DBTOA000>

Thanks Rob.  Yes, I've been rehabilitated!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob,
> 	I've been in the old car clubs


Holy Moly, Tommy!  I totally misjudged you.

But everyone makes a few mistakes in their lives.  We, being  
enginemen, can surely forgive the past indiscretions of your impetuous  
youth, and allow you to sit with us under our EZ-Ups.

Rob





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 17:22:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:22:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>

I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
#:

200377542152


Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY







From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 20:12:10 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:12:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Just a little off topic..........RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <87F0E2B561A64DC2806BDEFA46605097@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Yes, I worked with "Gil" during my time at WAVE.  Later, when I had moved to WHAS (before going fulltime with my design company), Melissa "Missy" Forsythe got fired from WAVE because she was "too old".  She immediately was offered a job at WHAS, took it, filed suit against WAVE for age discrimination and won.

A few years later, she left WHAS - I thibnk, to get married and I haven't seen her since.  She was a really talented lady and very easy to work with.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 06:26 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE: Our annual show.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 	Boy you're bringing back some memories with 
> Livingston Gilbert
> anchoring that news program.  Believe it or not, 
> I saw Mellisa Forsythe
> about a year ago and she has aged very little.... 
> I kid you not!  Still
> a lovely and very pleasant lady.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 21:10:49 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:10:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Just a little off topic..........RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E04D9A21081C4BE88CCDD54804295F9A@DBTOA000>

Elden,
	I think I saw her at a Special Olympics function or something
similar.  If you were at WHAS you probably worked with Mort Crim and the
gang.  Boy, for a station their size they really had some talent in
those days.  I remember us having engines at one of our local festivals
in the mid '70's and they did a story on them.  The good old days!!

Tommy





Tommy:

Yes, I worked with "Gil" during my time at WAVE.  Later, when I had
moved to WHAS (before going fulltime with my design company), Melissa
"Missy" Forsythe got fired from WAVE because she was "too old".  She
immediately was offered a job at WHAS, took it, filed suit against WAVE
for age discrimination and won.

A few years later, she left WHAS - I thibnk, to get married and I
haven't seen her since.  She was a really talented lady and very easy to
work with.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Sep  6 03:33:21 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:33:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???
Message-ID: <D1DC4F45EAA54CD39CA6B3B6CCBA917F@peterlowe>

Hi all
Just watching this item finish:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130327368383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true

The time counter counted down live and the bid amounts updated automatically each time someone made a bid, is this a new feature with Ebay, rather than the old static page.??

Peter, Oz

From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Sep  6 04:57:57 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:57:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
Message-ID: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>

Hello there all in Engineland.
I guess this request applies to my Australian mates, but you never know where things might be found.

Does anyone out there have a workshop manual and/or a users handbook for the little Australian built Mordiesel engine?

Any info or advice appreciated as always.

Teddee

From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Sep  6 04:58:11 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 07:58:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
References: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <00c501ca2ee9$4fb46300$5cea4c0c@D48VHZ61>

 According to the seller there are only 12 of them known to exist. Not all 
tractor collectors are so boring as to be content with a Farmall M or a John 
Deere A. It may be an ugly duckling but to those who know what they are 
looking at, it would be an attention getter. Also I believe it had some 
features not found on any other models that allowed the front end to be 
configured differently. That alone is a conversation piece. Also look at the 
name, Avery. They were building huge steamers and big gas tractors just 20 
years prior to when this one is built. To me that downsizing is an important 
step in agricultural history.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay


>I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
> I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
> when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
> noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
> tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
> valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
> #:
>
> 200377542152
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 05:16:57 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:16:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep  6 05:19:46 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:19:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <00c501ca2ee9$4fb46300$5cea4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <C0B425570DEF4C89A4110104620107DA@DBTOA000>

Thanks John.  I noticed the front end looked real strange and the
ability to reconfigure it for the operation needed would be unique.  I
had never thought about the significance of the historical progression
of Avery.  Pretty neat to consider all those changes in a short period
of time.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:58 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay

 According to the seller there are only 12 of them known to exist. Not
all 
tractor collectors are so boring as to be content with a Farmall M or a
John 
Deere A. It may be an ugly duckling but to those who know what they are 
looking at, it would be an attention getter. Also I believe it had some 
features not found on any other models that allowed the front end to be 
configured differently. That alone is a conversation piece. Also look at
the 
name, Avery. They were building huge steamers and big gas tractors just
20 
years prior to when this one is built. To me that downsizing is an
important 
step in agricultural history.

John Hall




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep  6 06:55:57 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:55:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ca2ef9$c33d2860$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Great shots Patrick, thanks for sharing with us!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From obise at moscow.com  Sun Sep  6 07:08:26 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 07:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC8B07B0C3004C10A423E65567D18533@CathyComp>

Thank you for posting the pix, Patrick.  As always your photos are superb
and your thumbnails are sized perfectly for those of us on slow hooks to the
Net.

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:17 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics

Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep  6 07:21:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:21:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
Message-ID: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>

A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big 
Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some acquaintance 
who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to 
come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family was 
asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know 
old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty 
good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see about 
starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor 
adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 40 years.  
It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
 
The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When 
I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West 
Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year to  inquire about 
buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after the family 
brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told 
it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes, 
never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
 
Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.  
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg) 
 
It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that 
 will never happen.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Sep  6 07:28:06 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:28:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
References: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <002101ca2efe$4078cd30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Tommy,
   I will find out later today, but I believe I know the people that 
purchased the Avery.  In answer to your questions--why purchase it and why 
such a large dollar amount---They wanted it because their father had had one 
like it and sold it a few years ago and the people that bought the one from 
their deceased father will not sell it and secondly as in any auction it 
takes two people to want something and you have an aution and if those have 
large means and are foolish the item can go to an almost unlimited heights. 
George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay


>I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
> I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
> when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
> noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
> tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
> valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
> #:
>
> 200377542152
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep  6 08:39:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:39:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201ca2f08$47839510$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Good story, great pics!  Thanks Tom.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul


>A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big
> Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some 
> acquaintance
> who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to
> come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family 
> was
> asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know
> old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty
> good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see 
> about
> starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor
> adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 40 
> years.
> It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
>
> The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When
> I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West
> Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year to  inquire 
> about
> buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after the 
> family
> brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told
> it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes,
> never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
>
> Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
> Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg)
>
> It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but 
> that
> will never happen.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 13:46:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:46:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.
>:-P
>Cheers,
>Al Harris

Hey Al,
         Don't you have tractors there ?  :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 13:54:45 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:54:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906225005.0246a6c8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
<snip>
(nuther snip>.
After all,
>if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me
>for a couple months.

I love that Rob - well said. :-)
Jerry



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 14:07:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:07:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906225624.02468810@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:27:31 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>

(snip all the "blah" bits>
> >  Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
> >> Jerry Evans
>
>ONLY with the FATG!
>         Dave

Thanks Dave,
         You have just confirmed that we are both cranky old buggers (sorry 
Guys I cannot remember how to spell "bastards") so everyone else "just 
leave us alone" - this is our hobby and we love it". Maytags and all :-)
Jerry 



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Sep  6 14:20:10 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:20:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <4AA4278A.6040604@rustic-engines.com>

Sure Jerry, but you don't hear them as much.

They're usually away in a paddock somewhere pulling away.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jerry Evans wrote:
>> From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>
>> Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.
>> :-P
>> Cheers,
>> Al Harris
>>     
>
> Hey Al,
>          Don't you have tractors there ?  :-)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
>
>   


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 15:30:19 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:30:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
Message-ID: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Home and starting to recover from a big weekend. We left home on Friday
morning and were in Macksville in 6 hours which was not too bad given all
the road work on the highway and the general poor condition of the road (I
think I lost my kidneys at one point).
The YC Stover was soon on the ground and covered for the night. The Mid
North Coast Club put on an excellent dinner on Friday night in their club
shed with plenty of food and the large number of people were fed quickly.
The Saturday night dinner was at a new venue and it was very good. Plenty of
good quality food served quickly (I went back for seconds but could not fit
thirds and dessert). The 'official' part of the evening was over quickly and
we were back at our Motel by 9pm.
Saturday the Stover started first pull and ran for 6.5 hours without missing
a beat. Sunday it also started first pull and ran until it used up all its
fuel (about 1230) which was perfect timing as that was my shut down time to
load for the trip home.
The weather was perfect all weekend which resulted in a big turnout of
exhibitors and a huge crowd through the gate. There were lots of very nice
engines both beautifully restored and in their 'working clothes'.
Another great Rusty Iron Rally so now I can hardly wait until next year and
our own rally at Clarendon in two weeks!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  6 15:55:36 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:25:36 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W157F0ABB86CFB845AC55319DEC0@phx.gbl>


great pics patrick and sounds like it was another excellent macksville rally, being that i am a big cooper/stover fan and that the theme for the rally was cooper/stover, going by your pics there didnt seem to be many there? bit dissapointing as i was hoping to see lots of pics of different cooper/stover engines, i thought there would have been heaps of them there?

    cheers

        mick
 
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:30:19 +1000
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
> 
> Home and starting to recover from a big weekend. We left home on Friday
> morning and were in Macksville in 6 hours which was not too bad given all
> the road work on the highway and the general poor condition of the road (I
> think I lost my kidneys at one point).
> The YC Stover was soon on the ground and covered for the night. The Mid
> North Coast Club put on an excellent dinner on Friday night in their club
> shed with plenty of food and the large number of people were fed quickly.
> The Saturday night dinner was at a new venue and it was very good. Plenty of
> good quality food served quickly (I went back for seconds but could not fit
> thirds and dessert). The 'official' part of the evening was over quickly and
> we were back at our Motel by 9pm.
> Saturday the Stover started first pull and ran for 6.5 hours without missing
> a beat. Sunday it also started first pull and ran until it used up all its
> fuel (about 1230) which was perfect timing as that was my shut down time to
> load for the trip home.
> The weather was perfect all weekend which resulted in a big turnout of
> exhibitors and a huge crowd through the gate. There were lots of very nice
> engines both beautifully restored and in their 'working clothes'.
> Another great Rusty Iron Rally so now I can hardly wait until next year and
> our own rally at Clarendon in two weeks!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 16:54:14 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:54:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W157F0ABB86CFB845AC55319DEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6CA88C6.25EF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I was surprised that there were not more Cooper/Stover engines at the rally.
There was the usual smattering of XDs and Little Wonders but only a couple
of Ws and only the one earlier engine. In fact the biggest and oldest Stover
at the rally was my YC!
There were a lot more Cooper/Stover engines at Young when it was the feature
there.
Apart from the feature engine being a little thin on the ground there were
some nice engines and it was a great weekend.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  6 18:12:57 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:12:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>


I am at my wits? end on a mechanical problem.  I know someone here has the knowledge to
point me in the right direction.

 

I have a bicycle rack that mounts in a receiver hitch.  It fastens using a bolt that goes where the
hitch pin normally goes, but with a twist. 
It is threaded on the head end, but reduced in diameter on the opposite
end.  The rack is 1 ? ??, the receiver is
2?.  There is an adapter sleeve that fits
in the receiver, surrounding the rack on three sides.  The bolt goes in on the
side where the 1 ? ?? stock is next to the inside of the receiver, thence through the adapter sleeve, and out the other
side.  That end of the bolt, as
mentioned, is reduced in diameter and drilled for a linch pin to serve as a
safety device, so if the bolt should come loose it can?t fall completely
out.  The inner wall of the 1 ? ?? stock
is threaded.

 

I removed the rack from the receiver to replace the adapter
sleeve, as it had become worn  and
allowed too much movement of the rack. 
Somehow in the reinstallation, the the bolt hung up and apparently
cross-threaded ? at any rate, it will not go in, will not come out.  I have tried driving the small end, and a
pickle fork and a three pounder on the head end.  I tried an impact wrench in conjunction with
the pickle fork  I can make no
progress.  We are fixin? to go on the
road again in a week, and I can?t take off without resolving this.  If it comes to it, I will saw it off, or find
someone with a cutting torch and cut it off. 
Who has a better idea?

 

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep  6 18:49:30 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:49:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090907014924.2FD408DC3@smtp.wcoil.com>


Hate to say it, but I liked it better before they painted it. Still a 
great engine.   Mark


At 10:21 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:
>A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big
>Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some acquaintance
>who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to
>come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family was
>asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know
>old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty
>good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see about
>starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor
>adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 
>40 years.
>It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
>
>The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When
>I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West
>Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year 
>to  inquire about
>buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after 
>the family
>brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told
>it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes,
>never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
>
>Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
>Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg)
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg)
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg)
>
>It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that
>  will never happen.
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Sep  6 19:04:50 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:04:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???
In-Reply-To: <D1DC4F45EAA54CD39CA6B3B6CCBA917F@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <E33F4DE262CB4FDCA2C6D59E241897CB@sheeba>

Pretty cool, eh? Noted that tonight, too - no more manually refreshing in
the last minutes.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:33 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???

Hi all
Just watching this item finish:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130327368383&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true

The time counter counted down live and the bid amounts updated automatically
each time someone made a bid, is this a new feature with Ebay, rather than
the old static page.??

Peter, Oz
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Sep  6 21:38:10 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:38:10 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Chamberlains in the US
Message-ID: <00dc01ca2f75$012b8970$03829c50$@net.au>

Friend of mine in Hemet California yesterday came across the 5 Chamberlain
tractors that are crossing the US. He stopped them and had a chat and took
some pics. The pics are too big to put on the list so if anyone is
interested email me at plb at iinet.net.au and I'm happy to forward them on.

Ray Freeman

Perth W.Australia



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 00:14:36 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:14:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
In-Reply-To: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>
References: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909070014g525ba0eah91c4f70020ac9710@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/6 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Hello there all in Engineland.
> I guess this request applies to my Australian mates, but you never know where things might be found.
>
> Does anyone out there have a workshop manual and/or a users handbook for the little Australian built Mordiesel engine?
>
> Any info or advice appreciated as always.
>
> Teddee
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Have you seen this thread:

http://forum1.aimoo.com/The_Old_Machinery_Magazine/category/MORDIESEL-1-1028871.html

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 04:15:48 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 07:15:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
Message-ID: <d4d.4f9848e1.37d64564@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:

Hate to  say it, but I liked it better before they painted it.


Whole heartedly agree, and was sort of ill when I saw the paint job  
Saturday!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 04:21:35 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 07:21:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped?=
Message-ID: <c0e.59b75052.37d646bf@aol.com>

Long pipe on the end of socket breaker bar may move or wring it off.   
Also, how about drilling it with different size bits till it comes out. Got the  
same set up for my bike rack with the threaded bolt and lock pin.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Sep  7 06:05:11 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <d4d.4f9848e1.37d64564@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A96A58A342BA4FCF8F78DAA7C61F9932@DBTOA000>

Same thoughts here but I still wouldn't mind having it sitting in my
shed!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:

Hate to  say it, but I liked it better before they painted it.


Whole heartedly agree, and was sort of ill when I saw the paint job  
Saturday!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Mon Sep  7 06:17:28 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>

Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!

I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a 
couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers, 
spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You 
know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".

Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors 
don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and 
allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the 
display and basically engine related.

It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world wide. 
Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... and 
coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show 
attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal, 
unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.

Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere means 
a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if 
restrictive rules are common in successful shows.

Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.

Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 06:36:00 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:36:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
Message-ID: <d61.56396975.37d66640@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/7/2009 9:28:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Jim at hardmanfamily.net writes:

Rough  & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
and  
coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show  
attendance.


Rough and Tumble ran the engine folks out a number of years ago.  Show  run 
by tractor people.  Sad, use to be a good engine show there  too.


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Sep  7 07:31:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:31:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 16
>Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:47:36 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

<snip>

>Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than
>cars:  we actually DO something.
>
>As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines
>as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the
>best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground
>it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from
>the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the
>majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.
>
>Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,
>and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>www.rustyiron.com

Hi Rob,
         GREAT ANSWER. I agree totally - us oldengine guys are the "best of 
the best" and this weekend just served to reinforce that feeling. The "car 
guys" (and there were some really beautifully restored cars there) had a 
great turnout (but I never got to pics of them) but "Engines Rule!".



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Sep  7 07:48:56 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:48:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA51D58.6020400@telenet.net>

Bruce Younger wrote:
> I am at my wits? end on a mechanical problem.  I know someone here
> has the knowledge to point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a bicycle rack that mounts in a receiver hitch.  It fastens
> using a bolt that goes where the hitch pin normally goes, but with a
> twist. It is threaded on the head end, but reduced in diameter on the
> opposite end.  The rack is 1 ? ??, the receiver is 2?.  There is an
> adapter sleeve that fits in the receiver, surrounding the rack on
> three sides.  The bolt goes in on the side where the 1 ? ?? stock is
> next to the inside of the receiver, thence through the adapter
> sleeve, and out the other side.  That end of the bolt, as mentioned,
> is reduced in diameter and drilled for a linch pin to serve as a 
> safety device, so if the bolt should come loose it can?t fall
> completely out.  The inner wall of the 1 ? ?? stock is threaded.
> 
> 
> 
> I removed the rack from the receiver to replace the adapter sleeve,
> as it had become worn  and allowed too much movement of the rack. 
> Somehow in the reinstallation, the the bolt hung up and apparently 
> cross-threaded ? at any rate, it will not go in, will not come out.
> I have tried driving the small end, and a pickle fork and a three
> pounder on the head end.  I tried an impact wrench in conjunction
> with the pickle fork  I can make no progress.  We are fixin? to go on
> the road again in a week, and I can?t take off without resolving
> this.  If it comes to it, I will saw it off, or find someone with a
> cutting torch and cut it off. Who has a better idea?
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> 
> Madison, SD

Well if I understand what you have it sounds like you need some HEAT.
Heat the threaded section of steel and then use a good socket and
breaker bar on the bolt. Once out chase the threads OR bore the entire
thing out so a standard pin will fit through it.

-- 
Steve W.



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 10:41:01 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:41:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <20090903032436.ED8AE8FC4@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20090903032436.ED8AE8FC4@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0909071041u140b8139q1a6953e1334feda6@mail.gmail.com>

For good photo coverage on the Southern California fire, go to:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/wildfires_in_southern_californ.html
Yup, a Boston newspaper site.

There was a news program about the jet air tankers. They fly out of
McClellan Airfield in Sacramento. The rent on the plans - when not flying,
just on stand-by - is $30,000 per day and they carry 20,000 gallons of
retardant at a cost of $2 to $3. per gallon. When they are in the air or
loading, the costs go up.

Paul - trying to earn enough to cover my share of the tax money they will
need for all of this.


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:50:33 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:50:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
Message-ID: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>





?Long pipe on the end of socket breaker bar may move or wring it off.   

Also, how about drilling it with different size bits till it comes out. Got the  

same set up for my bike rack with the threaded bolt and lock pin.   

 

Tom  Schmutz

Concord,  Va.

germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.  The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

 ?Well if I understand what you have it sounds like you need some HEAT.

Heat the threaded section of steel and then use a good socket and

breaker bar on the bolt. Once out chase the threads OR bore the entire

thing out so a standard pin will fit through it.

 

-- 

Steve W.? Steve, I am reluctant to heat it, as I don?t know what sort of fumious stuff that might issue forth from the composite adapter, or maybe even a good fire.I have thoroughly irritated myself, though, by ruining a $20 tool on the project, and buying more that haven?t got the job done.  Anyone have a sawzall handy?

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway




_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep  7 12:38:59 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
Message-ID: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

I'm running into an odd problem.  Perhaps one of you have also encountered it and
may have a solution.

I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
fero_ah at verizon.net.  The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list emails.

But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the following message:

     "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."

This automatic email is from:  <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or if the
reply is "plain text" or "rich text".

I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his email.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
fero_ah at verizon.net





From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 14:04:45 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:04:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

You've been blacklisted!!!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected


> Folks,
>
> I'm running into an odd problem.  Perhaps one of you have also encountered 
> it and
> may have a solution.
>
> I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
> fero_ah at verizon.net.  The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list 
> emails.
>
> But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the 
> following message:
>
>     "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."
>
> This automatic email is from:  <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or 
> if the
> reply is "plain text" or "rich text".
>
> I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his 
> email.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them. 
> Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> fero_ah at verizon.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 14:14:57 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:14:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>

It's a very common problem, Arnie, addressed here in this advice forum:
http://tinyurl.com/hj8dh

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.   
> Thanks.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep  7 15:30:54 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:30:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <5F91F1D1F12742AE9AB71A398E3766FC@KerryPC>

G'Day Jim

Shows in Oz are fairly mixed, most allow you to set up a small sales place 
alongside your display, some have separate sale areas and time eg before 
running start time but things unsold are left there and hopefully sold 
later, all usually have vendors but they only sell non engine/tractors and 
parts

Usually those with multi large things to sell leave it on their trailers 
along side the engine area and sell from there.

The rally at the weekend which I last attended about 4 years ago there was a 
major problem with the SS officers and selling, I was told that people 
stopped going, there was a change in club attitude and I saw things for sale 
in the engine area, this year was a problem for the organizers as it was the 
biggest ever and they had to set up more areas.

THANKFULLY no rally in Oz allow vehicle parking in the engine area.

Kerry




> Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!
>
> I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a
> couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers,
> spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You
> know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".
>
> Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors
> don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and
> allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the
> display and basically engine related.
>
> It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world 
> wide.
> Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
> and
> coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show
> attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal,
> unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.
>
> Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere 
> means
> a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if
> restrictive rules are common in successful shows.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.
>
> Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.
>
> 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 15:37:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:37:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <55A081CC-4F58-4F0B-A7A4-4631DD9F8878@rustyiron.com>

Right on, Jerry.  At least you have the common sense to make that  
tractor presentable by pairing with some fine SA cheesecake.

Adios!
Rob



> Hi Rob,
>         GREAT ANSWER. I agree totally - us oldengine guys are the  
> "best of
> the best" and this weekend just served to reinforce that feeling.  
> The "car
> guys" (and there were some really beautifully restored cars there)  
> had a
> great turnout (but I never got to pics of them) but "Engines Rule!".



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 15:35:07 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <DD0CFE90-3488-4995-930B-DDFA57A1BF62@rustyiron.com>

And if you're not ready to fix all your problems, perhaps I can still  
help.  Content types and subtypes include image/gif, text/plain,  
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, etc.  God only knows what is  
being sent from that silly windows computer of yours.  Send me an  
email from that account, just as you would do if you were sending it  
to the list.

Rob


On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> It's a very common problem, Arnie, addressed here in this advice  
> forum:
> http://tinyurl.com/hj8dh


> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.
>> Thanks.


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 16:12:26 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:12:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Selling items at shows is how many exhibitors make the money they need to 
gas up the truck to get to the shows in the first place.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy


> Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!
>
> I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a
> couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers,
> spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You
> know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".
>
> Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors
> don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and
> allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the
> display and basically engine related.
>
> It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world 
> wide.
> Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
> and
> coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show
> attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal,
> unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.
>
> Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere 
> means
> a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if
> restrictive rules are common in successful shows.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.
>
> Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
>
>
>> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From clemsweller at etczone.com  Mon Sep  7 17:06:53 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:06:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
	<0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>

Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
feel free to let me know!  

The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.

Chuck Emsweller



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  7 17:21:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:21:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <COL112-W37CB2B6C27793924B7F0E95EA0@phx.gbl>


Arnie, Your  e-mails will once again work as soon as you finish( not in order) The E-HOWT 09 pictures, The Fero Compressor, and the Yank's trip to England '04, '05,'06,'07,'08,09, and everything on Nancy's Honey Doooo  List.    Yer Pal. Steve
 
> > 
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm running into an odd problem. Perhaps one of you have also encountered 
> > it and
> > may have a solution.
> >
> > I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
> > fero_ah at verizon.net. The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list 
> > emails.
> >
> > But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the 
> > following message:
> >
> > "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."
> >
> > This automatic email is from: <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or 
> > if the
> > reply is "plain text" or "rich text".
> >
> > I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his 
> > email.
> >
> > If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them. 
> > Thanks.
> >
> > See ya, Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > fero_ah at verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Sep  7 17:36:30 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:36:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA5A70E.3060306@telenet.net>

Bruce Younger wrote:

> 
> Concord,  Va.
> 
> germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go
> anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the
> middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.
> The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is
> some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both
> sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

AHH, that would be a bit different than cross threaded.

In that case about the only way will be to cut the bolt off and drill it
out. Grab a grinder and load it with a cutting disc.

OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of
course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the
vehicle.......

-- 
Steve W.



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 17:43:48 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:43:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
References: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
	<4AA5A70E.3060306@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <0ec301ca301d$6dd1a0c0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

If you simply head out on your next trip with the carrier fully loaded down 
the bolt will come out on its own in about 100 miles.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped


Bruce Younger wrote:

>
> Concord,  Va.
>
> germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go
> anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the
> middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.
> The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is
> some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both
> sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

AHH, that would be a bit different than cross threaded.

In that case about the only way will be to cut the bolt off and drill it
out. Grab a grinder and load it with a cutting disc.

OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of
course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the
vehicle.......

-- 
Steve W.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  7 17:49:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <248246.40230.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just four of them.
Bring it on over and we will have it out in a jiffy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:50 PM


.? Anyone have a sawzall handy?

Bruce Younger???

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68???

Madison, SD? 

sluggo54 at hotmail.com???



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted???
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."???

E. Hemingway


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Sep  7 18:31:05 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:31:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>

pictures!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> feel free to let me know!
>
> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 21:49:30 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:49:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909072149xbdcd227h9c35cb2078132a10@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/7 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Folks,
>
> I'm running into an odd problem. ?Perhaps one of you have also encountered it and
> may have a solution.
>

Plain text is best for emails anyway, and this email is coming through
fine on your old account, so does your new ISP add anything to the
email when it handles it, and do you use the same PC to send from both
accounts?

What programme (program) do you use to send email with?  is it the
same one for both accounts, and have you verified what is actually
being transmitted?

We have used Agent for 15 years now with no problems, and have always
used plain text with no font/colour additions.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Tue Sep  8 00:34:38 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:34:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
Message-ID: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>

Thanks Peter
Yep, I am familiar wit the link to the old TOMM forum- in fact there are some pictures there that I posted of a Mordiesel running at the Diesel Anniversary Rally in Victoria last year.

I was looking for a manual, and have been privately offered a photocopy, for which I am grateful.

Thank you for your interest

Teddee. 

From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 02:47:33 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:47:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>
	<001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <000401ca3069$63e60a00$2bb21e00$@com>

Just posted some pictures at the following link:

	www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy

The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in August.
Getting him started young!



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp

pictures!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> feel free to let me know!
>
> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 03:33:19 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 06:33:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com><001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<000401ca3069$63e60a00$2bb21e00$@com>
Message-ID: <001d01ca306f$c8727d90$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Good looking engine, grandson too!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in 
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure 
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 07:16:57 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:16:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <200909081016888.SM08688@[216.8.228.159]>


Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!? 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  8 07:36:04 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:36:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!? 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>
>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>
>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>> August.
>> Getting him started young!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>> pictures!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>> we
>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>
>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>>
>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 07:59:53 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:59:53 GMT
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>


Or worse yet, a DIRTY WHITE tarp
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
Sent 9/8/2009 10:36:04 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpIt's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>
>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>
>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>> August.
>> Getting him started young!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>> pictures!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>> we
>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>
>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>>
>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  8 09:49:13 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:49:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W20A397022DB47A91B57CB4C8EA0@phx.gbl>


Just having the opportunity to play with a nice big hunk of iron like that would be satisfying to me!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

================
 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> 
> 
> It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that 
> will never happen. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 

_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep  8 10:55:29 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:55:29 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1252425602.23005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908191625.019a08e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:30:54 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
>
>G'Day Jim
><Big snip>

>THANKFULLY no rally in Oz allow vehicle parking in the engine area.
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Same here - we have our engines "parked" all round the edges of 
our display area with a big open space in the middle. This is to allow guys 
to drive in and offload without difficulty but then they have to move out 
to allow the next guy access to offload, this area is usually big enough 
(at our club show at least) to allow 4 or 5 vehicles to offload at the same 
time without difficulty. Also, our area does not have to be fenced off - 
yet, and is very "informally" laid out - no lines, lanes or fences. We do 
have a "road" all around the display area and are allowed to park next to 
our engines on this "road". (Heck, all the tools, toolboxes and, most 
importantly, beer are in the truck - they've gotta be nearby).
         In spite of signs saying "Engines Only" we always have some smart 
arse people trying to take a chance and they drive into the offloading area 
and try to park - they are usually told, in no uncertain terms, where to 
go. We had a 1 problem last year which was only sorted out when a large 
"oil spitting" engine was dragged almost against his fancy car and started 
- he soon got the message when he saw the oil spots on his car. It may have 
been quite drastic but there are always people who only understand that 
kind of demonstration. He probably never came to the show this year but we 
would rather do without his kind (and very minimal entrance fee).
         I'll have pics up of our show (this last weekend) within the next 
24 hours and will post to the lists then.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep  8 11:08:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:08:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1252425602.23005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:37:33 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>
>Right on, Jerry.  At least you have the common sense to make that
>tractor presentable by pairing with some fine SA cheesecake.
>Adios!
>Rob

Howdy Rob,
         Thanks for the reply.
         "some fine SA cheesecake." you say !!! - Hey that's my daughter 
you're talking about <big grin>.
         Yes, I'm very proud of her and the fact that she is so involved in 
this hobby. She has been a committee member of our club this year (as the 
engine representative) - not too many clubs can claim such a piece of 
"cheesecake" as their engine rep. :-) (but you've got Kelley - maybe Jacqui 
is just trying to live up to her standards !!)
Keep well.

Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep  8 13:32:30 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:32:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <83358E50-E383-4A60-97E4-B2CD11AA5BFD@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>   "some fine SA cheesecake." you say !!!

And the words were carefully chosen, as Jaqui has been known to read  
SEL on occassion.

  
   


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 14:12:30 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:12:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <200909081016888.SM08688@[216.8.228.159]>
Message-ID: <001901ca30c9$138ba8c0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I apologize for my bad brother Steve.  Bad boy, bad bad!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp



Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
you Royster brothers and engine deals!
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 14:12:59 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:12:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that 
> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue 
> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster 
> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>
>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>
>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>> August.
>>> Getting him started young!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Royster
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine 
>>>> is
>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour 
>>>> non-stop.
>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>>> we
>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on 
>>>> one,
>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>
>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was 
>>>> $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 17:10:54 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:10:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <003501ca30e2$028f7a60$07ae6f20$@com>

Mike

You referring to the radar, the blue tarps or both?

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp

Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that

> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue 
> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster

> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>
>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>
>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>> August.
>>> Getting him started young!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Royster
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine 
>>>> is
>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour 
>>>> non-stop.
>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>>> we
>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on 
>>>> one,
>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>
>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was 
>>>> $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 18:20:43 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:20:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<003501ca30e2$028f7a60$07ae6f20$@com>
Message-ID: <000901ca30eb$c0ca9470$d0624b47@mikecomp>

The tarps for sure, the rest is speculation!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Mike
>
> You referring to the radar, the blue tarps or both?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:13 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
> MR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see 
>> that
>
>> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue
>> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the 
>> Royster
>
>> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about
>>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>>
>>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>>
>>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>>> August.
>>>> Getting him started young!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>> Royster
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>>
>>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine
>>>>> is
>>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had 
>>>>> her
>>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little 
>>>>> trouble
>>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour
>>>>> non-stop.
>>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am 
>>>>> sure
>>>>> we
>>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on
>>>>> one,
>>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>>
>>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was
>>>>> $6,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  8 21:34:55 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:34:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
Message-ID: <BAY127-W250E91AD392A4FE9D1B09CCBE90@phx.gbl>


Welp - problem mostly solved.  The *%$( thing is out of the receiver, anyway.  I drilled the composite adapter until I had enough of it out to thread a hacksaw blade through the receiver.  I am grateful the back side is as unimpeded as the front (it is on the back of my fifth wheel trailer).  I sawed the bolt off on one side, inside the receiver, as close to the rack as I could get it.  Then moved the operation to the other side of the rack and sawed the bolt again.  When I got it out, I found a rubbery plastic plug in the end of the rack that goes inside the receiver.  Molded into that plug are two square nuts, a bit smaller than the inside dimension of the square rack tubing.  One goes against each side of the tubing.  One side of this rubbery muck had gotten loose a bit, and allowed the nut on that side to turn maybe an 8th of a turn.  What happened was, the nuts got a bit "out of phase", and the loose one wedged firmly in place.

I will, when time permits, make up a wedge to go in along with all the other junk to keep the rack from wallowing about, then run a bolt completely through the entire structure, and nut it up on the outside.

My wholehearted thanks to all for suggestions and advice, both on and off list.  You are a great help.

~~~~~~~~~~~~



?OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of

course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the

vehicle.......

 -- 

Steve W.? I like his shifters, too.  ?If you simply head out on your next trip with the carrier fully loaded down 

the bolt will come out on its own in about 100 miles.

 Rick? ?Zackly.  That?s what?s been scaring the whee out of me!

 

 

?Just four of them.

Bring it on over and we will have it out in a jiffy.

?

Alan in Michigan? Could have used them this morning, instead of the hour
spent with a hacksaw

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  9 08:02:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:02:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
References: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
Message-ID: <COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>


All my engines are under camoflage tarps now so Google can't see them. Steve
 
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:59:53 +0000
> From: clemsweller at etczone.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> 
> 
> Or worse yet, a DIRTY WHITE tarp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> Sent 9/8/2009 10:36:04 AM
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpIt's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp. I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.
> Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >
> >
> >Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!  I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals! 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
> >>
> >> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
> >>
> >> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> >> August.
> >> Getting him started young!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >>
> >> pictures!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> >> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction. Engine is
> >>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> >>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc. Had her
> >>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon. Still seems to have a little trouble
> >>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> >>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues. I am sure
> >>> we
> >>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> >>> feel free to let me know!
> >>>
> >>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> >>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Emsweller
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep  9 10:19:47 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>
References: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
	<COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55d43cb3cb264bee585505713e3ccd3c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Me too!  All mine now look like barbeque grills.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 9, 2009 11:02 am, Steve Royster wrote:
>
> All my engines are under camoflage tarps now so Google can't see them. Steve





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 11:37:48 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:37:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
In-Reply-To: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>
References: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909091137r27884effy436e49ab7614cfe8@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/8 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Thanks Peter
> Yep, I am familiar wit the link to the old TOMM forum- in fact there are some pictures there that I posted of a Mordiesel running at the Diesel Anniversary Rally in Victoria last year.
>
> I was looking for a manual, and have been privately offered a photocopy, for which I am grateful.
>
> Thank you for your interest
>
> Teddee.

You're more than welcome, sorry we have nothing else that we could offer.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 16:37:53 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:37:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <C6CFCAF1.26A0%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Jim,
There were quite a few little bits and pieces (magnetos etc) for sale around
the engine compounds but I just do not tend to photograph them.
Exhibitors here seem to be taking a lot more pride in their displays with
less clutter around the engines although the number of display boards was
down making some engines hard to identify. All of the rallies I regularly
attend allow selling of bits and pieces in the engine pens and anyone who
has a big load to sell normally sets up nearby out of the compound.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Sep 11 16:10:45 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
Message-ID: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day all,
We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA. 
Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our 
time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we 
would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of 
the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to 
not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour 
pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of 
engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an 
engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the 
folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave 
advice along the way.

Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air 
bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We 
arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the 
5.5 hours back home. We are still  pretty buggered from the trip and 
jet lag but will not let this stop  us planing another trip.

I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-) 
and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how 
ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we 
were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)

The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the SEL

thanks again
Russell 



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 11 17:42:03 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:42:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>


Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
 
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:45 +1000
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
> 
> G'day all,
> We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA. 
> Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our 
> time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we 
> would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of 
> the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to 
> not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour 
> pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of 
> engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an 
> engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the 
> folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave 
> advice along the way.
> 
> Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air 
> bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We 
> arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the 
> 5.5 hours back home. We are still pretty buggered from the trip and 
> jet lag but will not let this stop us planing another trip.
> 
> I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-) 
> and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how 
> ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we 
> were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)
> 
> The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
> experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the SEL
> 
> thanks again
> Russell 
> 
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From george at irontrader.com  Fri Sep 11 19:18:40 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:18:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000301ca334f$58905f50$09b11df0$@com>

Russell,

Trips of a life time can come pretty easy.  You just need to join us for the
next EHOWT!

Planning on doing another EHOWT in 2011 when the Nuenen show will be in
June.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:11 PM


The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the
SEL

thanks again
Russell 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 07:17:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:17:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>



Hello guys;

 

Does anyone have a chart of the above ?

 

          Thanks & B, Rgds


        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 

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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Sep 12 07:25:33 2009
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:25:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10057CD8FDAF4946B63BD61D8E0053A2@YOURA8CFD79427>

Frank, go here, you'll find it handy

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html

Dave
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart




Hello guys;



Does anyone have a chart of the above ?



          Thanks & B, Rgds


        Franklin S. Skinner
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 08:20:09 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:20:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
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Dave;

Thanks, I had found that & had a bit of a problem with the formular

& I was really looking for more of a chart & have seen them before,

I just cant find it now.

 

          Many tks for the reply

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: shop at cccomm.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:25:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
> 
> Frank, go here, you'll find it handy
> 
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html
> 
> Dave
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> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:17 AM
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> Hello guys;
> 
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> Does anyone have a chart of the above ?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks & B, Rgds
> 
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> Franklin S. Skinner
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Sep 12 08:59:47 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:59:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090912174919.02141348@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         The pics for last weekend's show are up at last:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow09/index.htm>

I hope you enjoy them. Due to the current financial situation we had a lot 
fewer exhibitors/engines than last year but a good time was still had by 
everyone.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep 12 09:18:56 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:18:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F94A4E14-E4BC-4FA4-8C0B-53812DCF82B4@rustyiron.com>

It's not the sort of data that can easily be displayed in a chart, but  
you can get the formulae from Machinery's Handbook.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:17 AM, frank skinner wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a chart of the above ?



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 12:05:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:05:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <F94A4E14-E4BC-4FA4-8C0B-53812DCF82B4@rustyiron.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
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Cuz Rob;

Thanks, I'd had actually forgotten to look in the "Bible" 

I did finally find a very easy to use calculator.

Heres the link.

 

http://gadi.agric.za/software/renting/pulley.php

 

                B.Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:18:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
> 
> It's not the sort of data that can easily be displayed in a chart, but 
> you can get the formulae from Machinery's Handbook.
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 14:32:31 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090912174919.02141348@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <108381.88484.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jerry,
Nice pictures.
Those Horse Gears were called Horse Powers here in the U.S. of A.
I have seen ads for up to an 8 Horse Power one.? 
That would be four teams attached to four arms.
Usually the tumbling rod would be right on the ground.
?
There were also Dog Powers that could also be powered by your children.
The ads said something like,,,, Your kids will love to do this.
The Dog/Goat/Kid Power was an inclined platform to "walk up" powering a belt.
They also offered larger ones like that for a single horse or mule.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:59 AM


Hi Everyone,
? ? ? ???The pics for last weekend's show are up at last:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow09/index.htm>

I hope you enjoy them. Due to the current financial situation we had a lot 
fewer exhibitors/engines than last year but a good time was still had by 
everyone.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>? 

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Sep 12 15:41:51 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the 
meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral 
which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you 
got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was 
actually pretty funny)

Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time. 
Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.

At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my 
>engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get 
>some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
>



From george at irontrader.com  Sat Sep 12 16:05:54 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:05:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
	<20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>

Russell,

Then next EHOWT isn't next year, it is the year after in 2011.

Although I'd love to do a tour every year, I don't want to impose on the
collectors we visit by showing up with a group at their place every year.
We have such gracious hosts I really don't want to take advantage of them.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:42 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] USA Holiday

G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the 
meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral 
which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you 
got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was 
actually pretty funny)

Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time. 
Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.

At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my 
>engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get 
>some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
>

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Sep 12 16:42:52 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:42:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
	<20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
	<000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>
Message-ID: <20090912234245.56D843B4225@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

George I fully understand and you make a very important point. It can 
be a big ask to expect folk who one has never met to drop everything 
just to entertain themselves.
Russell


At 09:05 AM 13/09/2009, you wrote:
>Russell,
>
>Then next EHOWT isn't next year, it is the year after in 2011.
>
>Although I'd love to do a tour every year, I don't want to impose on the
>collectors we visit by showing up with a group at their place every year.
>We have such gracious hosts I really don't want to take advantage of them.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
>Gilbert
>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:42 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] USA Holiday
>
>G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the
>meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral
>which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you
>got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was
>actually pretty funny)
>
>Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
>George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time.
>Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.
>
>At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my
> >engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get
> >some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
> >
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 16:44:11 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
Message-ID: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his first engine.
It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
?
It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
?
It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft but we can't read much of it.
It is throttle governed.
It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire up a buzz coil.
There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark plug instead of the Wico EK?
It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
?
Pictures are here.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
?
Do any of you have an engine like this one?
I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to know what it is.
?
Alan in Michigan

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Sep 12 17:15:39 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:15:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7744E97A-784E-4C81-A7D3-698FDB8EA748@me.com>

Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
	Dave

On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his  
> first engine.
> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red  
> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>
> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>
> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft  
> but we can't read much of it.
> It is throttle governed.
> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire  
> up a buzz coil.
> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark  
> plug instead of the Wico EK?
> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>
> Pictures are here.
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>
> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to  
> know what it is.
>
> Alan in Michigan
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 17:43:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <7744E97A-784E-4C81-A7D3-698FDB8EA748@me.com>
Message-ID: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Dave.
?
Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take pictures showed me they 
were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper on the cam lobe.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM


Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
??? Dave

On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his? 
> first engine.
> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red? 
> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>
> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>
> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft? 
> but we can't read much of it.
> It is throttle governed.
> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire? 
> up a buzz coil.
> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark? 
> plug instead of the Wico EK?
> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>
> Pictures are here.
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>
> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to? 
> know what it is.
>
> Alan in Michigan
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Sep 12 18:31:45 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:31:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AAC4B81.4010408@rustic-engines.com>

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Alan wrote:
> Thanks, Dave.
>  
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take pictures showed me they 
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper on the cam lobe.
>  
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>     Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his  
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red  
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft  
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire  
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark  
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to  
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>     
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Sep 12 20:44:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:44:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
In-Reply-To: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B6B5166D-CD51-42AF-BEE0-EFDB69AAF3A3@me.com>


On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
No, I do not know one way or the other on that. My son's is fired by a  
WICO............... Now after doing a bit of reading in their book I  
find that they did a whip w/out a mag, but rather used a battery. Then  
Gasoline for starting and kero for running--after getting the engine  
VERY HOT--WARMED to BOILING at the head.
>
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an  
> automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
I have never heard of/seen an after factory (ie Witte) conversion kit.  
If it's Witte, I would believe it was designed and put on at the  
factory. While the company "regularly furnishes" batteries for the  
engines, it "strongly recommends a BOSCH magneto  ("at a slight  
additional cost.") However, I strongly believe that the battery  
ignition would and used a whip!
>
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take  
> pictures showed me they
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper  
> on the cam lobe.
I would sure think that if Witte did it it would have been a wiper on  
the cam. If someone has one that is from the factory I would sure like  
to hear of it. Parts, in order to put it back "right'' should cost in  
the $1OO-200 range. Have fun, your friend will need help and there  
will be shimstoch making to be enjoyed!
>
>
> Alan in Michigan
	Dave
PS, If you can make out any of thr S/N numerals, amd provide the place  
holders you can mot make out I MIGHT be able to determine something,  
If you do have to guess at a mumber on the end of the ctank please  
tell me whar you think it is (as in :I dont have a fuckin idae, It's a  
S or a 5 or a 6, It's 11 or perhaps an H. From information like that I  
can sometimes figure a pretty cloce date. Ihen I can't Arnie  
says :Just tell then 1922 (if it has a Webster) and 1924 (If it's a  
WICO.)

>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>     Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep 12 21:23:34 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:23:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
Message-ID: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>

Hi all

Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc, will post pictures tonight our time.
I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight would be very very expensive.
The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
What to do ???

Peter, Oz


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep 12 22:41:07 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:41:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
In-Reply-To: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
References: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <41612F3B-480E-4881-B56B-B339241AE136@rustyiron.com>

Ebay it... or send it to your mate in Guadalahabra.





On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
> I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all  
> spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc,  
> will post pictures tonight our time.
> I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight  
> would be very very expensive.
> The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model  
> 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and  
> the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as  
> many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that  
> looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
> What to do ???
>
> Peter, Oz



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Sep 13 04:35:55 2009
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:05:55 +0930
Subject: [SEL] OT. Steam for auction in Aust.
In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG>
References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG>
Message-ID: <001801ca3466$5b6bf230$1243d690$@net.au>

http://www.norbealun.id.au/



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 04:52:32 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:52:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <C6D31A20.26DD%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Only a few days until the Sydney Rally. I hope to see a few list members
there.
We have been busily getting one of my engines ready for its first rally. It
is almost ready...

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 05:51:10 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
In-Reply-To: <B6B5166D-CD51-42AF-BEE0-EFDB69AAF3A3@me.com>
Message-ID: <415641.61398.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And again a BIG thanks Dave.
That is great info.
That book?
Is it a Witte manual Gordon could buy?
I am sure he would want one.
?
Whenever you get a chance I would love to see some pictures of your son's Witte.
Does it have an engine tag?
I?would like to see the cam gear area and what there is that provides the movement to trip the mag.
?
I am guessing your son's engine does not have the wiper.
Someone must have added parts to Gordon's Witte to trip those points.
?
If it was my engine I think I would remove the points and the rod that trips them and go with a battery, buzz coil and the wiper.
I need to find a gas tank and MAIL him the info. Mr. Wendel seems to say they were making the TG Type B engines starting in 1924.
Gordon will just be happy to know his engine was built between 1924 and 1927.
After all he bought a "Sparta Economy"?Hit-n-Miss engine,,,,?
Now he has a Witte Type B Throttle Governed engine. 8>))
He has it in writing from the previous owner that it is a Sparta.
?
Still a nice little engine for five hundred bucks.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:44 PM



On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
No, I do not know one way or the other on that. My son's is fired by a? 
WICO............... Now after doing a bit of reading in their book I? 
find that they did a whip w/out a mag, but rather used a battery. Then? 
Gasoline for starting and kero for running--after getting the engine? 
VERY HOT--WARMED to BOILING at the head.
>
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an? 
> automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
I have never heard of/seen an after factory (ie Witte) conversion kit.? 
If it's Witte, I would believe it was designed and put on at the? 
factory. While the company "regularly furnishes" batteries for the? 
engines, it "strongly recommends a BOSCH magneto? ("at a slight? 
additional cost.") However, I strongly believe that the battery? 
ignition would and used a whip!
>
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take? 
> pictures showed me they
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper? 
> on the cam lobe.
I would sure think that if Witte did it it would have been a wiper on? 
the cam. If someone has one that is from the factory I would sure like? 
to hear of it. Parts, in order to put it back "right'' should cost in? 
the $1OO-200 range. Have fun, your friend will need help and there? 
will be shimstoch making to be enjoyed!
>
>
> Alan in Michigan
??? Dave
PS, If you can make out any of thr S/N numerals, amd provide the place? 
holders you can mot make out I MIGHT be able to determine something,? 
If you do have to guess at a mumber on the end of the ctank please? 
tell me whar you think it is (as in :I dont have a fuckin idae, It's a? 
S or a 5 or a 6, It's 11 or perhaps an H. From information like that I? 
can sometimes figure a pretty cloce date. Ihen I can't Arnie? 
says :Just tell then 1922 (if it has a Webster) and 1924 (If it's a? 
WICO.)

>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>? ???Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 09:41:30 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:41:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>


 

 

Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 13 10:06:07 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
Message-ID: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1917804931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Sounds like a classic bad Magnetron coil to me.  When it dies, pull the plug wire and check for spark.

-Tony


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Sent: Sep 13, 2009 11:41 AM


 

 

Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 10:53:55 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:53:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
Message-ID: <d26.3d10b7f7.37de8bb3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/13/2009 12:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

It runs  fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and  quits.


Steve,
 
Sounds like the problem Paul Maples just had with his mower which turned  
out to be the coil.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 11:41:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <606027.96525.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is just one more?case of planned obsolesence.
Set it out by the curb now?and buy a new mower.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 12:41 PM







Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run? till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From no1djc at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 12:15:53 2009
From: no1djc at hotmail.com (David Carter)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:15:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
In-Reply-To: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
References: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <BAY113-W11E4370DB8C35F6B0D018092E50@phx.gbl>


  Peter,

     Someone on here may be able to help you out regarding the date of manufacture, or point you in the right direction:-

 

http://www.gardner-enthusiast.com/content/blogsection/13/80/

 

You will have to sign-up before you can post though.

 

Or try:-

 

http://www.gardner-enthusiast.com/content/view/104/103/

 

Regards,

    Dave Carter.

 

 

 


 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:23:34 +1000
> Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
> I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc, will post pictures tonight our time.
> I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight would be very very expensive.
> The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
> What to do ???
> 
> Peter, Oz
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 13 13:59:30 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:59:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
References: <d26.3d10b7f7.37de8bb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FE46D227004B44929A1D6CDE5167E418@PAUL>

Hello Steve,

Tom is correct. I had a 14 HP Kawasaki engine on my John Deere Lawn tractor 
and after I first started it I could drive it about 200 to 300 feet and it 
would die. However, if I let it set for about 15 - 20 minutes it would start 
right up and RUN THE REST OF THE DAY AND NEVER DIE AGAIN. I was able to 
quickly isolate the problem as being no fire and then after spending $100 on 
an electronics board that the dealership told me was the problem and it was 
not, as well as the board was non-returnable, I decided to troubleshoot the 
thing myself with the help of some guys on the Lawn & Garden Tractor list.

My problem was really the igniter which on my model was integral with the 
coil, on my model the igniter and coil was all the same. On the earlier 
models of my engine the igniter was separate from the coil and would have 
only cost me $35.00 but since mine was integral and all one piece it cost me 
$116.00. So in order to replace the bad igniter I had to replace the 
coil/igniter assembly.

I would have just suspected the coil IF it had done what you say yours is 
doing and that is run until it gets hot, quits, cools off, then runs until 
it gets hot and quits again. My engine would only stop after running about 
200 to 300 feet, let it cool off and it would start and run fine the rest of 
the day, it never would die again. So I think your problem is no doubt the 
coil.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed


>
> In a message dated 9/13/2009 12:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> It runs  fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and  quits.
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Sounds like the problem Paul Maples just had with his mower which turned
> out to be the coil.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Sep 13 16:44:58 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:44:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
Message-ID: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>

I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
thanks
R Fink
PA



From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 14:37:46 2009
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:37:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <120161798488312181398576162263863772485-Webmail@me.com>

Richard

I brought a Bessemer engine and pumping jack from Pa to Northeastern TN.  My wife would kill me if I bought another but I am interested.  I have my fathers engines but know little about them, but I'm trying to learn.  I have no idea of value, but would love to have one that works......

John

Cell 614-284-0900

John W. Neth III

228 Old Milligan Highway
Johnson City, TN  37601
423-434-0978


or
634 Elm  St.
Groveport, OH  43125-1216
614-836-3465

 
On Sunday, September 13, 2009, at 07:44PM, "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
>unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
>he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
>thanks
>R Fink
>PA
>
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Sep 13 14:49:05 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:49:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca34bc$042f38a0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Good Deal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer


>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
> unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
> he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> thanks
> R Fink
> PA
> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep 13 15:01:40 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:01:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>

Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It 
could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a 
totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta 
like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know 
what I mean.
  Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every 
now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non 
running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting 
folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with 
Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to 
strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with 
the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
  Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help 
better.         Mark



At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
>unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
>he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
>thanks
>R Fink
>PA


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep 13 15:07:54 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:07:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B127CE5FA8E146B699722985C456279E@DBTOA000>


It will be a two cycle engine.  10 HP is a nice size and the price
sounds good as long as its complete and in decent shape.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Fink Sr
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:45 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer

I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
thanks
R Fink
PA

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Sep 13 15:59:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:59:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <746BCAA3-284E-4348-9827-56EE5EF7732A@rustyiron.com>

If it's their Gaso-Kero engine (upright), it's throttle governed in  
that speed is controlled by the volume of air that is allowed into the  
crankcase.  If the engine is complete, including the oddball mixer,  
then the price is a steal.

If the engine is an older oilfield style engine, and it is complete  
and free, then the price would still seem very good.

I guess it all depends on whether the engine is good, or a rusted out  
old bone.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

> I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Sep 13 19:16:24 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:16:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
	<20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>

Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a 
ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or 
lawn ordainment.
R Fink



At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
>could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
>totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
>like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
>what I mean.
>   Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
>now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
>running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
>folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with
>Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
>strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
>the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
>   Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
>better.         Mark
>
>
>
>At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> >thanks
> >R Fink
> >PA
>
>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep 13 17:54:34 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:54:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
	<20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090914005438.1E257841A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Good luck, If its a good straight engine its a heck of a deal on a 
decent sized engine.  Mark


At 10:16 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a
>ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or
>lawn ordainment.
>R Fink
>
>
>
>At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> >Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
> >could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
> >totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
> >like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
> >what I mean.
> >   Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
> >now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
> >running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
> >folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with
> >Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
> >strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
> >the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
> >   Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
> >better.         Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
> > >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> > >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> > >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> > >thanks
> > >R Fink
> > >PA
> >
> >
> >Mark Shulaw
> >454 Co. Rd. 33
> >Bluffton, OH. 45817
> >USA
> >
> >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 18:02:21 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland )
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:02:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
Message-ID: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>

That is a hard size to come by and a really good price 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:54:34 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bessemer


Good luck, If its a good straight engine its a heck of a deal on a 
 decent sized engine.? Mark
 
 
 At 10:16 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
 >Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a
 >ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or
 >lawn ordainment.
 >R Fink
 >
 >
 >
 >At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
 > >Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
 > >could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
 > >totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
 > >like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
 > >what I mean.
 > >?? Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
 > >now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
 > >running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
 > >folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.? He did this with
 > >Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
 > >strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
 > >the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
 > >?? Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
 > >better.???????? Mark
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
 > > >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
 > > >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
 > > >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
 > > >thanks
 > > >R Fink
 > > >PA
 > >
 > >
 > >Mark Shulaw
 > >454 Co. Rd. 33
 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817
 > >USA
 > >
 > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
 > >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
 > >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at? www.Maytagclub.com <http://www.Maytagclub.com> 
 > >
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 USA
 
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Sep 13 18:52:08 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:52:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AADA1C8.6010008@xplornet.com>

Hello Steve,
	It's probably the coil as others have said. You could check the gas 
tank cap to make sure the vent is clear. A plugged cap vent will act 
like that too. A simple check on the vent is to try starting the engine 
right away with the cap loose or off. Haven't had this happen to me on 
small engines but have on tractors and older cars.

Rupert

Steve Royster wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It
> runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it
> cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could
> this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks
> for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve
> 
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sun Sep 13 22:57:32 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:57:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6CDE84B558A64BDFA4A6560F4F8AF7FB@CamPC>

G,day, well how the trip go, I should imagine it will be something that you 
will carry in the memory bank until you die. I tried to get hold of you a 
couple of times but you must have either been looking at engines or partying 
so I left you to it, anyway what did you finish up buying, I can't wait to 
see. Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday


> G'day all,
> We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA.
> Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our
> time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we
> would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of
> the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to
> not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour
> pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of
> engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an
> engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the
> folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave
> advice along the way.
>
> Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air
> bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We
> arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the
> 5.5 hours back home. We are still  pretty buggered from the trip and
> jet lag but will not let this stop  us planing another trip.
>
> I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-)
> and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how
> ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we
> were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)
>
> The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or
> experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as 
> the SEL
>
> thanks again
> Russell
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 14 05:25:55 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:25:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
Message-ID: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>


Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 14 10:15:48 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-191780
	4931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1917804931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <35ce26beda1367d19f2f551cb7617396.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Steve,  Here's an even BETTER idea.  Have MIKE "check for spark."
Bless his heart...

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 13, 2009 1:06 pm, kimmell at verizon.net wrote:
> Sounds like a classic bad Magnetron coil to me.  When it dies, pull the plug wire
> and check for spark.
>
> -Tony
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Steve Royster
>
> Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for
> about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start
> and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating
> up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines .
> Steve




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 14 10:45:45 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
Message-ID: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

August 25-29, 2010

>
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't
>> seem to find them anywhere.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 11:39:14 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:39:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need FM Dishpan engine advice
Message-ID: <45BC8E6B18EB451BBCA34A63C282268E@PAUL>

Folks a stranger whom I have never met sent me an e-mail today and told me he has one of the old Fairbanks Morse dishpan engines and it will not run. He said it ran about three months ago but will not run now. I suggested he make sure he was getting fire at the plug and if he was to check for stuck check valve on the mixer pickup.

He wrote back that he knew it was getting gas so it must be the fire that is the problem. He tells me it has an old Model-T coil as part of the ignition system.

I don't know who he is or what the engine looks like but I would appreciate any help and advice you folks me want to give me so I can ass it on to him. Meanwhile I am going to try and see if he is a local.

Paul


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 12:26:19 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:26:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
Message-ID: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>

WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in the 
last line should be pass and not the one it is.

Sorry about that.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need FM Dishpan engine advice


> Folks a stranger whom I have never met sent me an e-mail today and told me 
> he has one of the old Fairbanks Morse dishpan engines and it will not run. 
> He said it ran about three months ago but will not run now. I suggested he 
> make sure he was getting fire at the plug and if he was to check for stuck 
> check valve on the mixer pickup.
>
> He wrote back that he knew it was getting gas so it must be the fire that 
> is the problem. He tells me it has an old Model-T coil as part of the 
> ignition system.
>
> I don't know who he is or what the engine looks like but I would 
> appreciate any help and advice you folks me want to give me so I can ass 
> it on to him. Meanwhile I am going to try and see if he is a local.
>
> Paul
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Sep 14 11:55:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out there in engineland) :-)

         A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" but first I'll explain the 
problem - this may be a bit long winded!

         The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps coming loose. (To be 
fair, Arnie did warn me that, if I called him Reggie I should expect 
trouble :-)).
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>

         After restoration (and a few "rallies") he developed a knock 
(which sounded just like a bearing knock) and I discovered that the 
flywheel was loose. Closer inspection revealed a crack in the flywheel hub 
starting in one corner of the keyway and going to the outer edge of the 
hub. (A common problem with them, I believe, related to incorrect removal 
of the flywheel).
         I had the hub machined (just a tad) to fit a reinforcing steel 
ring around the outside of it and had the whole lot professionally welded. 
This welding was done with a mandrel (sp) a few thou smaller than the 
crankshaft inserted and clamped up with the bolt to prevent distortion.

          The welders did a great job and it worked fine for 3 rallies but 
then the knock (and loose flywheel) started again although the crack has 
not reappeared - the repair has held.
         The flywheel is cast with a teardrop shaped slot (opposite the 
keyway) into the web of the flywheel and going "all the way through" to the 
crankshaft.
         Fitting entails sliding the flywheel onto the crankshaft, lining 
up the keyway on flywheel and crankshaft, fitting a straight key, and then 
tightening a large bolt which theoretically clamps the flywheel to the 
shaft - the key just there to locate it and prevent the flywheel slipping 
around the crankshaft.
         Removal entails loosening the large bolt and inserting a wedge 
into the teardrop shaped slot (from the back) and knocking it in just 
enough to loosen it (the flywheel) from the crankshaft. This is where the 
damage "happens" if done incorrectly ie. wedge hammered in too far causes 
the crack on the opposite side of the hub (in the corner of the keyway 
which is a "weak spot").

         The repair has held (as mentioned earlier) but now I'm wondering 
if a tapered gib key is not the answer. (I wonder why the manufacturers 
never used that system in the first place as it seems infinitely better 
than what they did but it was 1936 and the design was even earlier so maybe 
that will explain why they went that way).

         O.K. that covers the explanation of the problem - now my questions?

         a) What do you guys think of the idea of a tapered key to replace 
the straight key - I would knock it in very slightly first - then tighten 
the clamping bolt as tight as possible - - then give the tapered key a 
whack to seat it - after a few "runs" of the engine maybe another whack? 
(ie. after a good few hours of running).

         b) How do I measure to be able to give the key manufacturer the 
correct dimensions? I know that most standard tapers are 1:100 (and I'd 
probably go for this unless otherwise advised). The question is hard for me 
to describe but what I'm trying to establish is, is there a point along the 
key where the taper must start to grip (eg 1/3 or 1/2 way along). Is there 
a tried and tested formula for this? I do not want the key to go in too far 
so that I cannot "Grip" the head to remove it later and it must also not 
stick out too far and interfere with a crankhandle adapter I have on there 
to enable me to use the same crank as my Wolseley engines. ( I put an 
adapter on each of my engines so that I only have to take 1 crankhandle to 
any rally.)
         3) Is it  acceptable to use shimstock under a tapered key if I get 
the measurement wrong and the key goes in too far?

         Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:58:45 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:58:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
In-Reply-To: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W3004C3F3D2435EE55400C0C8E40@phx.gbl>


Thanks!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

============================
 
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: Portland 2010 Show Dates
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 
> August 25-29, 2010
> 
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't
> >> seem to find them anywhere.
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 12:20:04 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:20:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
Message-ID: <A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>


On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in  
> the
> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Paul

WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
	Dave



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 07:49:36 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:49:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20E25DB5-08CE-477A-807D-142384632A87@me.com>

August 25-29.
	Dave
PS, POTIS Lied!

On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

>
> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't  
> seem to find them anywhere.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
>
> Rockford, Michigan
>
> USA
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 13:24:27 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:24:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
	<A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>

I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to 
write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such 
depredations on the List.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>> the
>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> Paul
>
> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
> Dave
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 12:54:34 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:54:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
	<A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>
	<4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
Message-ID: <3E7E5794-F05C-4200-B404-221BFF7376FC@me.com>

I was VERY worried that you may be planning to move to San Fran!
	Dave

On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:24 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for  
> you to
> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
> depredations on the List.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>>> the
>>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>>
>>> Sorry about that.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
>> Dave
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 13:05:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5C9EACAF-AC39-49CD-AA90-8ACD55F8B231@me.com>

Good doG Jerry, Think outside the gib key. Drill and tap a hole in the  
flywheel hub 90 degrees off the key slot and put a grade 8 bolt in it  
to tighten the flywheel to the crank!
	Dave
PS, "The welder did a great job" and it lasted 3 rallies? Could I have  
the name of the guy please. I know it's a long way away, but I still  
have to know who to avoid!
PPS, Arnie tells me that cats tast like rattelsnake!

On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out there in  
> engineland) :-)
>
>         A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" but first I'll explain  
> the
> problem - this may be a bit long winded!
>
>         The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps coming loose. (To be
> fair, Arnie did warn me that, if I called him Reggie I should expect
> trouble :-)).
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>
>
>         After restoration (and a few "rallies") he developed a knock
> (which sounded just like a bearing knock) and I discovered that the
> flywheel was loose. Closer inspection revealed a crack in the  
> flywheel hub
> starting in one corner of the keyway and going to the outer edge of  
> the
> hub. (A common problem with them, I believe, related to incorrect  
> removal
> of the flywheel).
>         I had the hub machined (just a tad) to fit a reinforcing steel
> ring around the outside of it and had the whole lot professionally  
> welded.
> This welding was done with a mandrel (sp) a few thou smaller than the
> crankshaft inserted and clamped up with the bolt to prevent  
> distortion.
>
>          The welders did a great job and it worked fine for 3  
> rallies but
> then the knock (and loose flywheel) started again although the crack  
> has
> not reappeared - the repair has held.
>         The flywheel is cast with a teardrop shaped slot (opposite the
> keyway) into the web of the flywheel and going "all the way through"  
> to the
> crankshaft.
>         Fitting entails sliding the flywheel onto the crankshaft,  
> lining
> up the keyway on flywheel and crankshaft, fitting a straight key,  
> and then
> tightening a large bolt which theoretically clamps the flywheel to the
> shaft - the key just there to locate it and prevent the flywheel  
> slipping
> around the crankshaft.
>         Removal entails loosening the large bolt and inserting a wedge
> into the teardrop shaped slot (from the back) and knocking it in just
> enough to loosen it (the flywheel) from the crankshaft. This is  
> where the
> damage "happens" if done incorrectly ie. wedge hammered in too far  
> causes
> the crack on the opposite side of the hub (in the corner of the keyway
> which is a "weak spot").
>
>         The repair has held (as mentioned earlier) but now I'm  
> wondering
> if a tapered gib key is not the answer. (I wonder why the  
> manufacturers
> never used that system in the first place as it seems infinitely  
> better
> than what they did but it was 1936 and the design was even earlier  
> so maybe
> that will explain why they went that way).
>
>         O.K. that covers the explanation of the problem - now my  
> questions?
>
>         a) What do you guys think of the idea of a tapered key to  
> replace
> the straight key - I would knock it in very slightly first - then  
> tighten
> the clamping bolt as tight as possible - - then give the tapered key a
> whack to seat it - after a few "runs" of the engine maybe another  
> whack?
> (ie. after a good few hours of running).
>
>         b) How do I measure to be able to give the key manufacturer  
> the
> correct dimensions? I know that most standard tapers are 1:100 (and  
> I'd
> probably go for this unless otherwise advised). The question is hard  
> for me
> to describe but what I'm trying to establish is, is there a point  
> along the
> key where the taper must start to grip (eg 1/3 or 1/2 way along). Is  
> there
> a tried and tested formula for this? I do not want the key to go in  
> too far
> so that I cannot "Grip" the head to remove it later and it must also  
> not
> stick out too far and interfere with a crankhandle adapter I have on  
> there
> to enable me to use the same crank as my Wolseley engines. ( I put an
> adapter on each of my engines so that I only have to take 1  
> crankhandle to
> any rally.)
>         3) Is it  acceptable to use shimstock under a tapered key if  
> I get
> the measurement wrong and the key goes in too far?
>
>         Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Sep 14 13:05:33 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
Message-ID: <1D088819F0C44EE283CE23178079809C@tommyd0x52gkco>

Paul,
	I remember a few years ago that a neighbor and his wife were
appointed to a community board.  I thought it was neat for them both to
serve and dropped them a typewritten note.  In it I meant to say "I hear
comments often about what both of you mean to our community and I want
you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".

	Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.  Spell
check works on words only, not on thoughts or intentions.  Luckily they
knew me well enough that we all got a big laugh out of it.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice

I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to

write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such 
depredations on the List.

Paul




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 13:36:25 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:36:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
Message-ID: <cf3.5e583f1b.37e00349@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
The tapered key will only work with a hub that has been machined with a  
taper in it.  Interchanging straight and tapered keys will not work at  all.  
If you insert a tapered key into a "straight key" hub it will only  bind up 
at a point to point contact, whereas if it is inserted in a "tapered  key" 
hub it will lock up the full surface of the key thus giving it maximum  
strength.  A tapered key in a straight key hub with the point to point  contact 
will work loose immediately.
 
It sounds to me that the key slot has worn oversize in either the shaft or  
hub or both.  If it is ok in the shaft and worn in the hub,  you can 
machine the hub to an oversize key and make a step key.  This is  something that 
is commonly done. The other thing that it could be is that  the bore size in 
hub has gotten slightly oversize during removal/running loose  and is not 
properly tightening up around the shaft.  In that case, the hub  has to be 
bored and bushed.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 14:55:32 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:55:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL><A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com><4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
	<3E7E5794-F05C-4200-B404-221BFF7376FC@me.com>
Message-ID: <9B0D1EACAE4E40398701F83C046CA5B2@PAUL>

Not to worry Dave, all is well now.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


>I was VERY worried that you may be planning to move to San Fran!
> Dave
> 
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:24 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> 
>> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for  
>> you to
>> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
>> depredations on the List.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>>>> the
>>>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about that.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
>>> Dave
>>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 14:59:53 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:59:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <1D088819F0C44EE283CE23178079809C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <5D595EBBCD044D9081BFCFBE38155298@PAUL>

Yep Tommy I have been guilty of this too often but I am thankful that we 
have the ever watchful eye of the list guardian, the evil one to police such 
depredations.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


> Paul,
> I remember a few years ago that a neighbor and his wife were
> appointed to a community board.  I thought it was neat for them both to
> serve and dropped them a typewritten note.  In it I meant to say "I hear
> comments often about what both of you mean to our community and I want
> you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".
>
> Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.  Spell
> check works on words only, not on thoughts or intentions.  Luckily they
> knew me well enough that we all got a big laugh out of it.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to
>
> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
> depredations on the List.
>
> Paul
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 14 15:27:39 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Let me throw my two cents worth into the fray.  Remember, though, that the advice I give is worth about two cents less than you paid.

What I would do would be to carefully fit a new key that is snug in both the flywheel and the crankshaft.  You may have to machine it to a different width for the crank than for the wheel but the idea is to get rid of any clearance.

Ghen, before the final assembly, I'd clean the heck out of the bore and the shaft and apply a drop or two of Loktite (or a similar locking compound).  Assemble, tighten the draw bolt then let it sit for a day or two for the Loktite to set-up.

That should hold things together and should (if you've selected the proper grade of locking compound) still allow removal of the wheel if necessary.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 01:55 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
> 
> 
> Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out 
> there in engineland) :-)
> 
>          A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" 
> but first I'll explain the 
> problem - this may be a bit long winded!
> 
>          The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps 
> coming loose......

......................snippety, snip................................

> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 14 14:57:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:57:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <66D8323D570E46249C06C28DBDE6723B@KerryPC>

G'Day Jerry
Elden beat me to it, they made over 54,000 of them so the system if used 
correctly is not the problem, are you sure the key fits nicely into both 
keyways (crank and flywheel), there must be no side movement. I have just 
finished using JB weld on one side of a badly worn keyway side and it looks 
like the end result will work ok, once it is in and every thing is tight 
there should be no side movement.
I to would use a little Loktite at least on the key.
don't see why brass shim could not be used under the key, loktite it to the 
key.

are you sure the shaft or hub is not worn and does not tighten up correctly 
without the key, if the diameters are not correct it will never tighten and 
by putting more pressure on the clamping bolt than designed to pull the hub 
tighter WILL crack the hub on the keyway side as you first had.

Kerry 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Sep 14 17:02:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:02:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] re Question re Tapered Gib Keys
Message-ID: <C28BBE492EE34951A869EBB9A2A1195C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ,the same problem comes along with Ruston SP engines ,in this case there are two of the bloody things .It seems that the shaft wears probably the bore of the flywheels as well .The remedy ......sit down and open a can of beer ,preferably VB . When you have finished cut your self a piece of shim ,using the can and if you can get it into the space between the shaft and the flywheel [ may gently wedge the slot to do this]  tighten the bolt and you should be OK .Not the ideal solution but apart from a major rework of the shaft /bore it is a solution. As you have been advised a correct fitting key is an important requirement!.
PS have you heard from Andy S lately .....he has done a great job on the Water Mill ?

From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Sep 15 06:36:14 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:36:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>

It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if 
any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send 
information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
R Fink




At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 04:42:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:42:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
Message-ID: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Sep 15 07:38:49 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
	<4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>

Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the 
flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark



At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
>It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
>any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
>information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
>R Fink
>
>
>
>
>At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 10:37:24 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Ebay 260477305719  6 port MK in Topeka KS.   Cya Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 10:54:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:54:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915194117.02136608@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:49 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>
>Good doG Jerry, Think outside the gib key. Drill and tap a hole in the
>flywheel hub 90 degrees off the key slot and put a grade 8 bolt in it
>to tighten the flywheel to the crank!
>         Dave
>PS, "The welder did a great job" and it lasted 3 rallies? Could I have
>the name of the guy please. I know it's a long way away, but I still
>have to know who to avoid!
>PPS, Arnie tells me that cats tast like rattelsnake!
>On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

Hi Dave,
         Thanks for your reply - that sounds like a real "farmer repair" 
but does have merit. I think it would be easier to weld the darn flywheel 
to the shaft - I've seen that done before !
         Yes, the welder did do a great job - as mentioned, the welding has 
not failed and the crack has not re appeared so no need to blame them ! :-)
         Maybe I should just stick to Maytags :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
P.S. "Rattlesnake", I've never tasted - I wonder if it's anything like 
"Puff Adder" ? 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 10:57:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:57:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915195546.021433e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:33 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
>Paul,
>         I remember a few years ago <snip> I want
>you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".
>
>         Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Tommy,
         That's a "classic" - thanks for sharing.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 11:09:01 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:09:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915195922.02144a30@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:36:25 EDT
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>Jerry,
>The tapered key will only work with a hub that has been machined with a
>taper in it.  Interchanging straight and tapered keys will not work at  all.
>If you insert a tapered key into a "straight key" hub it will only  bind up
>at a point to point contact, whereas if it is inserted in a "tapered  key"
>hub it will lock up the full surface of the key thus giving it maximum
>strength.  A tapered key in a straight key hub with the point to 
>point  contact
>will work loose immediately.
>
>It sounds to me that the key slot has worn oversize in either the shaft or
>hub or both.  If it is ok in the shaft and worn in the hub,  you can
>machine the hub to an oversize key and make a step key.  This 
>is  something that
>is commonly done. The other thing that it could be is that  the bore size in
>hub has gotten slightly oversize during removal/running loose  and is not
>properly tightening up around the shaft.  In that case, the hub  has to be
>bored and bushed.
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.

Hi Tom,
         You are a genius. Thank you for that answer because it also 
answered a question that I forgot to put in the original post and was 
wondering about.
         I was wondering if the  keyway in the flywheel was also machined 
at a taper.
         Your answer makes absolute sense to me and now I have a better 
idea of where to look for the answer.
         Many thanks.
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 11:45:20 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:45:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915201705.00c04458@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>Jerry:
>Let me throw my two cents worth into the fray.  Remember, though, that the 
>advice I give is worth about two cents less than you paid.
>What I would do would be to carefully fit a new key that is snug in both 
>the flywheel and the crankshaft.  You may have to machine it to a 
>different width for the crank than for the wheel but the idea is to get 
>rid of any clearance.
>Ghen, before the final assembly, I'd clean the heck out of the bore and 
>the shaft and apply a drop or two of Loktite (or a similar locking 
>compound).  Assemble, tighten the draw bolt then let it sit for a day or 
>two for the Loktite to set-up.
>
>That should hold things together and should (if you've selected the proper 
>grade of locking compound) still allow removal of the wheel if necessary.
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

Hi Elden,
         First let me say that, ALL advice given by you or any other member 
of this list is worth a helluva lot to me. That is why I ask the questions 
in the first place - I do not have the experience or knowledge that is 
available on this (and Oldengine) list.
         This thread has answered so many questions for me and taught me so 
much. (It's also on Jim's list).
         So, thank you for your answer and yes, it does make a lot of sense 
because of the fact that I can "rock" the flywheel on the shaft. (Only a 
little bit but enough to get a "click click" sound).
         All the replies I have got are stored in a file and tomorrow (or 
maybe later) I will sort through them and find the best answer to the problem.
         I was worried about having to make a "stepped key" as Tom and you 
mentioned because I do not have the equipment (or ability) for that and I'm 
useless with a file:-)
         LocTite has crept into the thread so many times (I've never used 
it) that I'm beginning to think about it but it will probably only work on 
well mated surfaces so the "stepped key" may come into it.
         Thanks for the advice.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 12:16:57 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:16:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915204750.02114cc0@mail.atech.co.za>


>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:57:06 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>G'Day Jerry
>Elden beat me to it, they made over 54,000 of them so the system if used
>correctly is not the problem, are you sure the key fits nicely into both
>keyways (crank and flywheel), there must be no side movement. I have just
>finished using JB weld on one side of a badly worn keyway side and it looks
>like the end result will work ok, once it is in and every thing is tight
>there should be no side movement.
>I to would use a little Loktite at least on the key.
>don't see why brass shim could not be used under the key, loktite it to the
>key.
>
>are you sure the shaft or hub is not worn and does not tighten up correctly
>without the key, if the diameters are not correct it will never tighten and
>by putting more pressure on the clamping bolt than designed to pull the hub
>tighter WILL crack the hub on the keyway side as you first had.
>
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Thanks for your input,
         Most of your questions were answered in my reply to Elden and others.
         Yes, I understand that the system must have worked O.K. My 
original comment was probably "uncalled for".
         You are the first one to mention JB Weld - that is another avenue 
for me to explore. Fill up those gaps that allow the flywheel to "rock" (as 
mine is doing). Maybe this will even solve the problem of having to "file" 
a "stepped key" - or at least make it easier to do.
         I'm quite sure that the internal diameter of the hub does clamp 
down O.K. onto the crankshaft (the mandrel used when it was welded was a 
few thou smaller) but I do not have the tools (or experience) to measure it 
accurately - it may be oval but will explore that possibility soon (my 
brother does have an engineering workshop with the necessary equipment).
         Another possibility (Please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the 
bolt that is used to tighten the flywheel may be of the wrong pitch and is 
coming loose with running. The original bolt was badly "mauled" and we 
replaced it with a similar sized metric bolt but I'm not sure what the 
thread pitch of the new bolt is - could this cause a problem?).

         Thanks for your interest and help Kerry.
Jerry.
(From the land of the new "Tri-Nations" champions) Although that was 
difficult - having to play against the crowd as well as the referee was not 
easy :-))



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 12:32:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:32:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915211831.02163a78@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:02:54 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] re Question re Tapered Gib Keys
>
>Jerry ,the same problem comes along with Ruston SP engines ,in this case 
>there are two of the bloody things .It seems that the shaft wears probably 
>the bore of the flywheels as well .The remedy ......sit down and open a 
>can of beer ,preferably VB . When you have finished cut your self a piece 
>of shim ,using the can and if you can get it into the space between the 
>shaft and the flywheel [ may gently wedge the slot to do this]  tighten 
>the bolt and you should be OK .Not the ideal solution but apart from a 
>major rework of the shaft /bore it is a solution. As you have been advised 
>a correct fitting key is an important requirement!.
>PS have you heard from Andy S lately .....he has done a great job on the 
>Water Mill ?

Hi Peter,
         Thanks for your answer. I'm not sure what VB is but the cans are 
probably the same thickness as "Castle" (The best beer in the world) :-).
         In my original post I did mention "shimstock", it seems that you 
Aussies use the same shimstock as we do :-)
         Your answer also will be considered when I get down to sorting out 
all the replies I've had to this thread. Thank you very much.
         I am in almost daily contact with Andy - I'm archiving all the 
mill stuff on my site (no link yet). What he is doing is really quite 
incredible - a real "labour of love".
         Are you on the "Cape Vintage" mailing list, if not then let me 
know and I'll get you added.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Sep 15 18:30:43 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
	<4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>
	<20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4ab0159a.02c3f10a.4ffb.3c74@mx.google.com>


I did not put a eye on it the owner said if it was complete i would 
be asking $2500.00
R Fink


At 10:38 AM 9/15/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the
>flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark
>
>
>
>At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
> >It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
> >any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
> >information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
> >R Fink
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.99/2372 - Release Date:
> >09/15/09 05:59:00
>
>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Sep 15 16:38:57 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:38:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4ab0159a.02c3f10a.4ffb.3c74@mx.google.com>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
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	<4ab0159a.02c3f10a.4ffb.3c74@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090915233859.88CF8854A@smtp.wcoil.com>




Must be a junker then.     Mark


At 09:30 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

>I did not put a eye on it the owner said if it was complete i would
>be asking $2500.00
>R Fink
>
>
>At 10:38 AM 9/15/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> >Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the
> >flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
> > >It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
> > >any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
> > >information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
> > >R Fink
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> > >No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > >Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.99/2372 - Release Date:
> > >09/15/09 05:59:00
> >
> >
> >Mark Shulaw
> >454 Co. Rd. 33
> >Bluffton, OH. 45817
> >USA
> >
> >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
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>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 
>09/15/09 13:37:00


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 16 00:52:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:52:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale and other things
Message-ID: <93D15EFDBB3742D1B9E76ADC13FF9913@peterlowe>

Hi all
The 10hp, L series,  R&V that was up for sale a while back, still is, read below and you guys can deal with it.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines


 
Dear Peter,
Thank you, again, for advertising my father's R&V (the L series listed on your site). My mother lowered the price to $8,000. In addition, you may post her phone number on the advertisement - 314.392.3240. She lives in Eldon, Mo. and her name is Berniece Adcock.

She also has a lot of parts for sale. If you believe there is interest, I may forward a list to you. Thanks so much, Lana Poole


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Sep 16 03:54:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:54:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <000901ca36b6$5541bdc0$0201010a@x6d7p7>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090915181815.0216ccb8@mail.atech.co.za>
	<000901ca36b6$5541bdc0$0201010a@x6d7p7>
Message-ID: <COL106-W15D944CBBE98916F211C95B4E20@phx.gbl>


Brad & the Engine guys;

For years the Tugboat & Shipyead guys { that know of it }

have used Devon Steel Putty as a fix for wobbled out key 

ways in propellers & bad tapers on the shafts { as a result of 

loose keys}. I my self used it with great success after a huge 

clunk going from Fwd to Rev on my tug.

It was a 74" Dia. propeller & a 1 " Key.

Devcon also makes a liquid steel vers the putty version,

for smaller applications with less clearence.

This stuff makes an "OK" fit perfect & a bad fit, just fine.

 

                 B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: bsoward at bigpond.net.au
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: Question re tapered gib keys
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:13:14 +1000
> 
> G'day Jerry
> 
> <after the last run there is a bit of play - I can rock the flywheel back
> and forth, not much but enough to get a "click, click" sound - this may be
> the "knock" I heard previously!>
> 
> This will be enough to cause the flywheel to continually work loose. The old
> way to repair this was to obtain some key steel larger than the current key
> and file up a replacement with a "step" big enough to securely locate the
> flywheel keyway while still fitting the existing slot in the crankshaft.
> Very time consuming, but low on the out of pocket expense scale. You do need
> to have some skill as a 'fitter' to get a good result though. If it was mine
> I would go the 'Loctite' route. There are numerous products on the market
> and only a few are suitable for a job of this type, so some advice from your
> local bearing supply house or engineering supplier would be a good idea.
> These things tend to be relatively expensive for a small amount of product
> and you want to get it right first time, so follow any instructions closely!
> :-) Best of luck. <grin>
> 
> Regards from Oz
> Brad Soward
> Nimbin, NSW. Australia
> 
> 
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Sep 16 04:32:18 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:32:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
	<20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W546B3C875B97431DFD311FB4E20@phx.gbl>


Jimmy;

Thanks a lot for the link, I've been looking for a while now.

 

               B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Frank, Ebay 260477305719 6 port MK in Topeka KS. Cya Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> 
> Hell folks;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
> 
> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
> 
> that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
> 
> 
> 
> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 16 05:18:23 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:18:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
Message-ID: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>

Hi guys

Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??

Peter, Oz




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 06:08:49 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:08:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <E64FDFC61EE1449CAE8DABC53E78B948@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Peter.....try http://www.lprtoolmakers.com/specials/JB%20Weld/JBweld.htm
.There is another product made in Australia but I am sure you can get it 
over there , I have used it and it is good
http://easyfindguide.com.au/sunshinecoast/listing.asp?Biz_ID=17217&sub=3800&guide=264
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 16 09:52:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:52:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <BAE08CE8-BBF9-463F-84AB-D5C1E6D8D8CE@me.com>

Hi Peter, http://www.jbweld.net/dealer/index.php shows NO dealers in OZ.
	Dave
PS, My guess is that, along with guns, your government putlawed JB Weld!

On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Sep 16 09:35:10 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:35:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W546B3C875B97431DFD311FB4E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090916163505.D13F9405484@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Youre welcome. Make sure you leave a large "proxv"at the end so you
don't get out Sniped . Good luck! Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:32 AM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Jimmy;

Thanks a lot for the link, I've been looking for a while now.

 

               B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Frank, Ebay 260477305719 6 port MK in Topeka KS. Cya Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> 
> Hell folks;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
> 
> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
> 
> that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
> 
> 
> 
> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 16 14:55:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:55:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAE08CE8-BBF9-463F-84AB-D5C1E6D8D8CE@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEFPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Look for either Devcon or Belzona.  Either of those companies make an epoxy that is similar to JB Weld.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
> 
> 
> Hi Peter, http://www.jbweld.net/dealer/index.php 
> shows NO dealers in OZ.
> 	Dave
> PS, My guess is that, along with guns, your 
> government putlawed JB Weld!
> 
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys
> >
> > Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
> >
> > Peter, Oz




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Sep 16 14:19:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:19:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys/Thank You
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090916231547.00c03be0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         Just a quick note to thank everyone who replied to this thread. 
I've been busy for the last day or so and not been able to sift through all 
the info I got from you guys but will do so soon.
         I will post the results when that happens.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 16 15:17:30 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:17:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day Pete, gee mate I can understand all those stories you have been 
telling me about those bloody guys from over the other side of the pond.!!!

And the SWILL they Drinkl!! man ....

Pete I have had no trouble getting jb weld and devcon through Sprint 
Auto parts here in Mildura. Keep trying the various auto stores
Russell



At 10:18 PM 16/09/2009, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>
>Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
>Peter, Oz
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 15:38:19 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:38:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Peter     I have heard it aid that you should not beleive everything on the 
net. I can assure you that you can buy JB Weld in this country try 
http://www.lprtoolmakers.com/..But why not try the homegrown product Epigen 
from Peerless Plastics ?
I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between Austria 
and Australia !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> G'day Pete, gee mate I can understand all those stories you have been
> telling me about those bloody guys from over the other side of the 
> pond.!!!
>
> And the SWILL they Drinkl!! man ....
>
> Pete I have had no trouble getting jb weld and devcon through Sprint
> Auto parts here in Mildura. Keep trying the various auto stores
> Russell
>
>
>
> At 10:18 PM 16/09/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi guys
>>
>>Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 16 17:26:48 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:26:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>


On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between  
> Austria
> and Australia !

And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
	Dave
PS, Love and kisses Mate!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 19:11:50 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:11:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>


I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458


Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 19:25:21 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:25:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe><20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au><91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
Message-ID: <B20D1996D69F4BE3A76DC18A4E63640C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

I see you are still the same little Dickhead ...age has not mellowed you!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> 
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between  
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
> 
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 16 20:07:28 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:07:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <EC7ACE714F464EFEBE2F0F7669C65A8F@Buffystoy>

Hi Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically 
just like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time zone 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines are 
only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 16 20:14:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <000d01ca3744$fe049f20$d0624b47@mikecomp>

All I know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out later!!!!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Sep 16 20:19:37 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:19:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>

The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three weeks ago 
today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It 
probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.

Fortunately due to a very major effort by many fire crews the Observatory 
and the commercial TV and radio transmission towers on the mountain 
sustained no significant damage from the fire.  The roads to the area are 
closed to the general public but I visited the Observatory today to start 
some repair work on a plumbing problem and had a chance to look around a 
bit.  The Fairbanks Morse 50 hp RE and the building it is in is just fine 
but even more importantly the big telescopes appear to be in great 
shape.  There was some concern that falling ash would get on the aluminized 
surface of the mirrors and then high humidity could cause a reaction 
between the ash and the aluminum.  The staff was able to clean any ash off 
with a dry carbon dioxide "snow" before any damage was done.

Larry

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 20:18:09 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:18:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <EC7ACE714F464EFEBE2F0F7669C65A8F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <E586EC0AC3D24CAD9ADC470949024DBD@DBTOA000>

Yes, I saw it.  Real neat!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Hi Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically

just like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time
zone 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the
other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines are

only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not
for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 20:32:37 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:32:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca3744$fe049f20$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <CCACCBED3C944D6DBB9AAC872E83317D@DBTOA000>

Mike,	
	Not sure if I can stand another "skin'in" from the NC Royster
boys!  I I don't know what the intentions are on it.  I didn't ask Kevin
if he had it or was considering purchasing it.  We'll let him tell us.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




All I know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this
one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out
later!!!!

Mike




From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 16 21:21:29 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
Message-ID: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 16 21:42:28 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:42:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6D48C66-3D54-4C21-884F-F9D555465561@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Larry.

We're all very lucky that the observatory came through relatively  
unscathed.  I'm sure there will be a lot of cleanup, though.

The satellite infrared images look like complete devastation in the  
area affected by the fire.  Some visible spectrum photographs, though,  
clearly show that big trees in some of the canyons have been spared.

If it's any consolation, it was not even a year ago that we were  
lamenting the loss of the Chino wilderness.  It seemed like it would  
be many years before normalcy was restored.  But if you visit there  
now, you would hardly know that there was ever a fire.

These pictures were taken earlier this year several miles n/e of Mt.  
Wilson.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=102977&id=693104413&l=831961878f
  To me, this area was the crown jewel of the San Gabes.  It's very sad.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Larry Evans wrote:

> The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three  
> weeks ago
> today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It
> probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.
>
> Fortunately due to a very major effort by many fire crews the  
> Observatory
> and the commercial TV and radio transmission towers on the mountain
> sustained no significant damage from the fire.  The roads to the  
> area are
> closed to the general public but I visited the Observatory today to  
> start
> some repair work on a plumbing problem and had a chance to look  
> around a
> bit.  The Fairbanks Morse 50 hp RE and the building it is in is just  
> fine
> but even more importantly the big telescopes appear to be in great
> shape.  There was some concern that falling ash would get on the  
> aluminized
> surface of the mirrors and then high humidity could cause a reaction
> between the ash and the aluminum.  The staff was able to clean any  
> ash off
> with a dry carbon dioxide "snow" before any damage was done.



From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 21:49:48 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:49:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
	<F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001601ca3752$49143ef0$db3cbcd0$@net.au>

Ya'll hang onto them while you can. You voted Obama in,now he's coming to
get ya'll gun toters.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Sep 16 22:03:37 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:03:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Nah

Most of us in OZ are so mature and trustworthy that we don't need guns.

Ron
Canberra 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 2:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Sep 16 22:14:41 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:14:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <C48350569C0E45229FFBC2B958164EF8@D6R3D961>

Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons to 
lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
Roger in California 





From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 00:01:52 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:01:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <C48350569C0E45229FFBC2B958164EF8@D6R3D961>
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917030108.0d388820@ncweb.com>

Unfortunately, that is who got elected.

Dave

At 01:14 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons to
>lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
>Roger in California
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Sep 17 00:12:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:12:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20090917030108.0d388820@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <E92A0A63C5314AD78C7F2A1E5F3B5108@REGsServer>

They rely on you thinking that way!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Merchant" <kosh at ncweb.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> Unfortunately, that is who got elected.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:14 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons 
>>to
>>lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
>>Roger in California
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mike17257 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 02:56:04 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:56:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <844af0290909170256o6c17fdf5m1adc4e4e4256c123@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,  JB weld is available from LPR Toolmakers who are in Broadford I
think - they have an ebay store as well, so search away and you'll find
em.  I have been buying bits n pieces of them for machining stuff - cutting
tools, etc etc.

Michael

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Sep 17 03:35:34 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:35:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <091720091035.6386.4AB210F6000577C0000018F2223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Pete do you want me to ship you some mate?  Its on sale right now.
Curt
-------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 


> Hi guys 
> 
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia?? 
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> 
> 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 03:58:22 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:58:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c01.6a8467cc.37e3704e@aol.com>

The LiliPut was sitting on my kitchen table until the gal of the house put  
her foot down.  There are two of these little engines in the states we no  
of and this one came out of a attic in PA. It has always been my thoughts 
one  should no what he has before he sells it.  If you look at the Duetz Otto 
on  Harry's  that Kevin Withers has for sale it sure looks a lot like that  
engine. I would like to find the manufacturer of the engine and possibly 
some  info on it. 
Yes its on the block for sale/trade
Kevin K
_BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) 
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:39:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Mike,    
Not sure if I can stand  another "skin'in" from the NC Royster
boys!  I I don't know what the  intentions are on it.  I didn't ask Kevin
if he had it or was  considering purchasing it.  We'll let him tell us.

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY




All I know is that I saw the one at  Portland, and it was nce, but this
one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you  can obtain it so we can trade it  out
later!!!!

Mike


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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:03:19 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:03:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c9a.36ee061a.37e37177@aol.com>

Mike you no the best deals are when you cut out the middle man.  Laughing
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:19:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

All I  know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this one 
is  FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out  later!!!!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge  Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion  list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September  16, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I  received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is  one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there  knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the  manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small,  etc.  Thanks!
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
>  Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:05:04 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:05:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>

Barry hook me up with this guy old pal buddy best friend. 
Kevin K
BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bdb at mchsi.com writes:

Hi  Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically 
just  like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time zone 
 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the  
other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines  are 
only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not  for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:09:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:09:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <bee.4dc13d1c.37e372f4@aol.com>

Tommy,
 
Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine  
engine!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Sep 17 05:11:37 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:11:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<844af0290909170256o6c17fdf5m1adc4e4e4256c123@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A74CBB223A8D47D4812BC153C4CFFA41@peterlowe>

WOW, $30 plus $7 post.
I guess it is purchase/postage from USA and a profit margine plus post in Oz
Peter



> Peter,  JB weld is available from LPR Toolmakers who are in Broadford I
> think - they have an ebay store as well, so search away and you'll find
> em.  I have been buying bits n pieces of them for machining stuff - 
> cutting
> tools, etc etc.
>
> Michael
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Sep 17 05:24:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:24:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
Message-ID: <E92F71F045294A72BC130B4B8AC79A5A@peterlowe>

There sure are some price differences.
One US Ebay site has it for $3.59US a pack and the thieving Yank wants 
$29.50US to post it.
That works out at $37.92AUS a pack.
I can buy it from the UK for $$8.90AUS and $7.47 post = $16.37

So I guess you have to shop around, what is the average purchase price in 
the US guys ?

I will ring Repco and Bunnings in Grafton tomorrow to see if they stock it.

Peter, Oz





From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 17 05:33:20 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:33:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Antique engine & tractor show in Gonzales TX
Message-ID: <A06E4428E940422BBA1F0C356B10119E@LapTop>

Anyone on the lists from Texas going to the Antique engine & tractor show at
the rodeo grounds in Gonzales Saturday?  It's the first annual, so they say.
I'm going for a few hours before I head East Sat. PM.







Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com


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http://oldengine.org/members/southwell



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Sep 17 05:37:43 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:37:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AB22D97.6050103@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks for the update, Larry.  News websites are absolutely useless for 
giving information after the crisis has passed.

Dolly

Larry Evans wrote:
> The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three weeks ago 
> today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It 
> probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep 17 06:42:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,

You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 1000 Engine
Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a mag.  I
think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.

Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over it.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 16, 2009 10:11 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 07:39:42 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:39:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <bee.4dc13d1c.37e372f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>

Tom,
	I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
the wife wasn't around when I did!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Tommy,
 
Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine  
engine!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

_______________________________________________




From bdb at mchsi.com  Thu Sep 17 08:13:45 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>
References: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F9B78D389F664647B0E3A51CA727F61D@Buffystoy>

Kevin, I'll send you their email this evening. You'll find what they know 
about the engine interesting.
Barry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Barry hook me up with this guy old pal buddy best friend.
> Kevin K
> BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bdb at mchsi.com writes:
>
> Hi  Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically
> just  like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time 
> zone
>
> difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the
> other
> engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines  are
> only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not  for
> sale.
> Barry Buchanan
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Sep 17 08:45:53 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:45:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tommy,
> You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 1000 Engine
> Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a mag.  I
> think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.
> Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over it.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Tommy, In the picture
http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 08:49:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:49:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c8e.445094ef.37e3b49a@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/17/2009 10:49:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I've  rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table
 
Tommy,
 

I once poured a rod bearing on the kitchen table using the oven to preheat  
the rod. Of course Millie was not around either!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:03:43 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:03:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>



 Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve

>> 

 

 


> Hi Tommy, In the picture
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
> Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Sep 17 09:25:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:25:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2AF0E584@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

This was already answered on SmokStak

" Gesetzlich gesch?tzt (abbreviated Ges. gesch.) means protected by law, patented, copyrighted"

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine



 Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve

>> 

 

 


> Hi Tommy, In the picture
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
> Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> 
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 09:41:26 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
References: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
	<649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>it now.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 09:50:44 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:50:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Antique engine & tractor show in Gonzales TX
Message-ID: <c3b.5d9079eb.37e3c2e4@aol.com>

Arthur-----
     Gee thanks for the Gonzales info---  go thru there all the time 
playing music in a polka band---I also collect old  Stovers!  May try to make that 
one for sure--again, thanks
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Tx


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Sep 17 09:55:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:55:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000><451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2AF0E584@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <000501ca37b7$b9c097b0$42920556@intrepid>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


This was already answered on SmokStak
" Gesetzlich gesch?tzt (abbreviated Ges. gesch.) means protected by law, patented, copyrighted"
George

Thanks George, that clears things for me.
My translation program comes up with  "Legally protected"
when I use the full German words.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:16:07 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <c8e.445094ef.37e3b49a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2A172F9EC640426BADC1C166696A0B21@tommyd0x52gkco>

Tom,
	I had a Webster mag once that I couldn't get to work.  One old
time engine guy told me to make sure it was dry.  He said to put the
oven on about 150 degrees and let it sit for a bit.  Well, I did this.
But, it began to smell like a skunk had relieved himself on the mag
sometime in the past and it was beginning to leach out.....Needless to
say, I didn't get to leave it as long as I planned on.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:50 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine

In a message dated 9/17/2009 10:49:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I've  rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table
 
Tommy,
 

I once poured a rod bearing on the kitchen table using the oven to
preheat  
the rod. Of course Millie was not around either!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:22:24 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:22:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <20CBE560CC2147EFB794D8A65BFABE0E@tommyd0x52gkco>

You might be right Dave.  Looks like "L I L I.... " to me though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Merchant
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline

> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German.
Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I
cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search
for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>BingT  brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
Try 
>it now.
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 17 10:23:54 2009
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (Bill Grimley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <968752.60044.qm@web180615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here's mention of a European model train company - maybe the mfg.?

http://www.reynaulds.com/liliput.aspx

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com> wrote:

From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 12:41 PM

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>? Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means? gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Bing?? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.???Try 
>it now.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:43:45 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:43:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <968752.60044.qm@web180615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8DFCF14676A46ECA2621932E2A4E7D3@tommyd0x52gkco>



Could be Bill.  Interesting.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Here's mention of a European model train company - maybe the mfg.?

http://www.reynaulds.com/liliput.aspx





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 12:39:57 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:39:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
Message-ID: <6f6025160909171239k2c1d4238k8eb03dd88fb4708@mail.gmail.com>

Got a fellow Beds and Bucks Stationary Engine Club member looking for
a replacement piston for his JD 1-1/2hp engine.

Piston is 3.490" and bore is out to 3.518" so a little slack :-))

Any assistance with suppliers or even direct supply if anyone has one
would be appreciated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 13:16:44 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:16:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909171239k2c1d4238k8eb03dd88fb4708@mail.gmail.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>

Beds and Bucks???

What is the going rate for 1 hour vs all night?
Extra charge for kinky stuff?

Dave


At 03:39 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>Got a fellow Beds and Bucks Stationary Engine Club member looking for
>a replacement piston for his JD 1-1/2hp engine.
>
>Piston is 3.490" and bore is out to 3.518" so a little slack :-))
>
>Any assistance with suppliers or even direct supply if anyone has one
>would be appreciated.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 14:13:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:13:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <bf6.3d63b81c.37e4006b@aol.com>

I would like to thank all for there interest in the engine and trying to  
help out. The correct spelling is 
Liliput. I do no at this time the engine did come with a dynamo for house  
hold electric. Maker and date still unknown. I have been contacted by a man 
from  Switzerland and will be sending photos of a original Liliput with the 
factory  dynamo attached. I have a lot of private emails to respond to. 
Once again thanks
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2009 12:49:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kosh at ncweb.com writes:

I read  the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in  searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you  wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering  means  gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and  decided it had to be German. 
Steve
>
>  >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi  Tommy, In the picture
> >  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It  shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
>  read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This  would help the search 
for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave  Croft
> > Warrington
> >  http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> >  http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
>  > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing  list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Bing?   brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.   Try  
>it  now.
>http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT
_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 15:03:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W62FE668A2EA072E50936C595E10@phx.gbl>



 I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > 		 	   		  
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Sep 17 16:14:11 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W62FE668A2EA072E50936C595E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W193D6704275D2E71585A46B4E10@phx.gbl>


Steve;

I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> 
> I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:55:30 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:55:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W193D6704275D2E71585A46B4E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W642F59AAF8CBC7FADDA0E795E10@phx.gbl>


Gee Frank, that's awfully kind of you! Steve
 
> From: marinesurveys at msn.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> Steve;
> 
> I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
> > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:00:13 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:00:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <c9a.36ee061a.37e37177@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01ca37f2$ff988780$d0624b47@mikecomp>

True Kevin, but me and Steve take great pleasure in buying Tommy's perfect 
engines, then displaying them with signs that read  "another Tommy Turner 
reject engine."  :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Mike you no the best deals are when you cut out the middle man.  Laughing
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:19:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> All I  know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this 
> one
> is  FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out 
> later!!!!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge  Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion  list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September  16, 2009 10:11 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
>
>
>>
>> I  received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is 
>> one
>> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there  knew much
>> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the  manufacturer, approx.
>> date, purpose of an engine this small,  etc.  Thanks!
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>>
>>
>>  Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:08:49 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:08:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Steve and I never fight over engines.  He buys the really nice and expensive 
ones, then I play with them.  Then eventually, they find their way to my 
house (at a greatly discounted and depreciated rate, of course.  I mean, 
they are USED and all that!).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tommy,
>
> You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 
> 1000 Engine
> Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a 
> mag.  I
> think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.
>
> Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over 
> it.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, September 16, 2009 10:11 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
>> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
>> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
>> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:16:31 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:16:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I cooked an engine head in the stove one time to get the valves out.  What's 
that smell??????


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tom,
> I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
> the wife wasn't around when I did!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>
> Tommy,
>
> Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine
> engine!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 18:19:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:19:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca37f2$ff988780$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <95FD40015454414B8B5A39D52BC4F2C0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

And laughing all the time about how the skinned that old hillbilly!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,KY





True Kevin, but me and Steve take great pleasure in buying Tommy's
perfect 
engines, then displaying them with signs that read  "another Tommy
Turner 
reject engine."  :)





From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 18:40:25 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:40:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c99.541124fc.37e43f09@aol.com>

For some reason I just don't think old Tommy T is giving any  quality 
engines up down there.  Be dammed if I am going down there to get  skinned.  
PS Tommy the Cavanaugh & Darley will be at Coolsprings next  month. 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2009 9:29:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

And  laughing all the time about how the skinned that old hillbilly!

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia,KY





True Kevin, but me and Steve take  great pleasure in buying Tommy's
perfect 
engines, then displaying them  with signs that read  "another Tommy
Turner 
reject engine."   :)



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 19:50:35 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
Message-ID: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>

Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I had any idea of what the problem might be.

I had him check a few things and from his responses it is getting gas but is not firing. He tells me it has a Model-T buzz coil and battery ignition.

I had him make sure his battery was hot, to check all of his wiring and connections and to check the points on the buzz coil to see if they needed cleaning.

I had not heard back him for a couple of days but today he sent me another message saying that he had checked all of the wiring, checked his battery and it was hot and he had gently filed his points on the buzz coil.

Does anyone have any other ideas I can share with this man to try and help him get it started?

Paul


From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Sep 17 20:28:29 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:28:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
In-Reply-To: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
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Get a new buzzcoil??


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-----Original Message-----
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I had any idea of what the problem might be.

I had him check a few things and from his responses it is getting gas but is not firing. He tells me it has a Model-T buzz coil and battery ignition.

I had him make sure his battery was hot, to check all of his wiring and connections and to check the points on the buzz coil to see if they needed cleaning.

I had not heard back him for a couple of days but today he sent me another message saying that he had checked all of the wiring, checked his battery and it was hot and he had gently filed his points on the buzz coil.

Does anyone have any other ideas I can share with this man to try and help him get it started?

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 21:08:51 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:08:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
	<1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <F0391D50AA104FCC8C626F9918918CC9@PAUL>

Is there a way that these coils can be checked out? Also, I know when I had 
my Model-T's the coil would buzz on the firing stroke and I assume the same 
should happen when the Dishpan is on it's firing stroke, correct? I have 
never used a Buzz coil on an engine. Also can someone send me a correct 
wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?

Paul

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Get a new buzzcoil??


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-----Original Message-----
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days 
ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from 
my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going 
to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, 
but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran 
fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I 
had any idea of what the problem might be.

I 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 23:37:01 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:37:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909172337m29435027y6946a1a2a8e354bc@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/17 Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>:
> Beds and Bucks???
>
> What is the going rate for 1 hour vs all night?
> Extra charge for kinky stuff?
>
> Dave

Special discounts for OAP's.... :-))

Peter
-- 
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Sep 18 00:57:07 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:57:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>
	<006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <4AB33D53.8020101@insulate.co.uk>

The head of Jim's Petter Atomic was in my oven overnight.  Not my fault 
that the food tasted a bit wierd for a couple of days!
We also had the R&V pindstriped on the kitchen table, the halfscale F-M 
Eclipse used to live in the kitchen ... We now have a glass-fronted 
dresser in the dining room to properly display a stirling engine and our 
Regimota!

Dolly

Mike Royster wrote:
> I cooked an engine head in the stove one time to get the valves out.  What's 
> that smell??????
>
>
> -

-- 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Sep 18 03:35:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:35:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W642F59AAF8CBC7FADDA0E795E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6ED84B3200367BD9B0232B4E00@phx.gbl>


Well steve;

It is a long way & the fuel cost & all,

But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'd still haul it to Wilm. for free ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:55:30 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> Gee Frank, that's awfully kind of you! Steve
> 
> > From: marinesurveys at msn.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > 
> > 
> > Steve;
> > 
> > I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > > > 
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 18 04:06:54 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:06:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
In-Reply-To: <F0391D50AA104FCC8C626F9918918CC9@PAUL>
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
	<1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W28875ACBD1A108361D4E55C8E00@phx.gbl>


http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

============================
 
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> 
> Also can someone send me a correct 
> wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?
> 
> Paul
> 
 		 	   		  
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 05:00:56 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:00:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
Message-ID: <c8d.507a7e22.37e4d078@aol.com>

Paul,
 
If a spark plug engine (that was running) will not fire with a buzz coil  
that "buzzes", then he either has a bad spark plug or gas.  Unless  something 
major has happened like timing, something broken, etc.  Buzz  coils have 
internal condensers that will go bad, etc., and they will not  "buzz". Or like 
someone said, the points will stick. They are  cheap $15-$25 and if not 
buzzing and the owner knows nothing about them, find  another one that works.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Sep 18 05:03:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:03:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         The radiator on my Lister 5/1 is pretty dirty on the outside - 
layers of soot, grime and even some paint and I'm looking at ways to clean it.
         I know that the best would be take it to the local radiator shop 
and have them do it in an acid bath but I'm over budget (and broke :-)) on 
this engine already and would like to explore ways of doing it myself.

         What acid to the radiator repair shops use and at what 
concentration and temperature (room temp maybe)?

         How long should it stay in the acid?

         Apart from the usual safety precautions (Do as you aughter - add 
the acid to the water!) are there any other precautions I should take - 
more for the sake of the radiators safety than mine :-)

  Bear in mind it is a 1953 engine so the radiator it is made of brass, 
copper, solder and a pressed steel frame - not a modern aluminium radiator.

         Although I do want to clean the inside (core) I am more concerned 
about how to get the outside clean. The cooling fins are in reasonable 
condition (nothing that I cannot fix in an hour or so with a pair of flat 
nose pliers).

         I do have a drum of phosphoric acid but am not sure if it would be 
right for this use (but would save me buying other acid).

         Thanks in advance for any help.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 05:31:00 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL><1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<SNT118-W28875ACBD1A108361D4E55C8E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF6F43D40CC544FB917B53F2CC5632F6@PAUL>

Thanks Luke,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine



http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA

============================

> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>
> Also can someone send me a correct
> wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?
>
> Paul
>

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 05:33:50 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:33:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <c8d.507a7e22.37e4d078@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED08E0140F29409B94BA90F743171CDC@PAUL>

Thanks Tom,  I have a nice Buzz Coil that Ted Brookover had rebuilt and sold 
me, before he passed away,  that I will let the man have, this should fix 
his problem.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


> Paul,
>
> If a spark plug engine (that was running) will not fire with a buzz coil
> that "buzzes", then he either has a bad spark plug or gas.  Unless 
> something
> major has happened like timing, something broken, etc.  Buzz  coils have
> internal condensers that will go bad, etc., and they will not  "buzz". Or 
> like
> someone said, the points will stick. They are  cheap $15-$25 and if not
> buzzing and the owner knows nothing about them, find  another one that 
> works.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Sep 18 05:36:28 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1385.165.206.180.130.1253277388.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

OVEN CLEANER for the outside.
Let it sit in the sun to get it warm, spray on cleaner, follow directions
on the can. I've cleaned some car engines and other nasty parts I was
prepping for rebuilds that way.

I don't like acids for cleaning grease and grime, personally.


> Hi All,
>          The radiator on my Lister 5/1 is pretty dirty on the outside -
> layers of soot, grime and even some paint and I'm looking at ways to clean
> it.
>          I know that the best would be take it to the local radiator shop
> and have them do it in an acid bath but I'm over budget (and broke :-)) on
> this engine already and would like to explore ways of doing it myself.
>
>          What acid to the radiator repair shops use and at what
> concentration and temperature (room temp maybe)?
>
>          How long should it stay in the acid?
>
>          Apart from the usual safety precautions (Do as you aughter - add
> the acid to the water!) are there any other precautions I should take -
> more for the sake of the radiators safety than mine :-)
>
>   Bear in mind it is a 1953 engine so the radiator it is made of brass,
> copper, solder and a pressed steel frame - not a modern aluminium
> radiator.
>
>          Although I do want to clean the inside (core) I am more concerned
> about how to get the outside clean. The cooling fins are in reasonable
> condition (nothing that I cannot fix in an hour or so with a pair of flat
> nose pliers).
>
>          I do have a drum of phosphoric acid but am not sure if it would
> be
> right for this use (but would save me buying other acid).
>
>          Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Sep 18 07:23:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:23:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <1385.165.206.180.130.1253277388.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill & Jerry:

I was about to suggest the oven cleaner.  It contains sodium hydroxide that will remove paint if concentrated enough.  Sodium Hydroxide (commonly known as "lye") is also the chemical that engine rebuilders use to dip engine parts in to clean them.  It removes the paint, grease and rust.

One thing though.  If you use either the oven cleaner (not very strong) or the lye (VERY strong and will eat the skin off of you!), be sure to thoroughly rinse the articles afterward then paint or oil all steel surfaces immediately.  Steel will rust very quickly after a lye bath.

Mild acid will remove lime or scale from the inside of the radiator but will not do much to paint or grease.

Good luck and be careful!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 07:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
> 
> 
> OVEN CLEANER for the outside.
> Let it sit in the sun to get it warm, spray on 
> cleaner, follow directions
> on the can. I've cleaned some car engines and 
> other nasty parts I was
> prepping for rebuilds that way.
> 
> I don't like acids for cleaning grease and grime, 
> personally.




From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Sep 18 08:51:19 2009
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:51:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <web-561742967@mail.hal-pc.org>

Jerry,

I have a very old (late 20s) Caterpillar radiator that had 60 plus 
years of mostly oil and dirt built up so thick on the lower part of 
the radiator that the fins were not visible. It was cooling ok but 
looked like hell. The former owner didn't bother to remove this prior 
to repainting, so there was a layer of paint to cap the oil/dirt 
mixture.

I removed the dirt down to fin level with a scraper which got me below 
paint and then applied several applications of a strong Chevron engine 
degreaser followed by a car wash pressure sprayer set on pressured hot 
soap. I didn't find the car wash "engine degreaser" option as 
effective as my bottle of spray degreaser after sitting for awhile and 
before hitting it with the hot car wash spray. My final application of 
compressed air took care of the bigger pieces wedged down in the fin 
area. The whole thing looks pretty good now.

Ultimately, I may have spent as much money using this technique as 
bringing to a commercial radiator shop, but I was careful not to bang 
the old radiator around causing more damage and it was (a lot of 
fun??).

Good luck,

Tom


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 18 09:01:43 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <BAY127-W60ACD78DFF2C71CC78A2CCBE00@phx.gbl>


"Tom,
	I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
the wife wasn't around when I did!
 
Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY"

And when the tools are thoroughly greasy, there's nothing like a trip through the dishwasher! 
Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep 18 15:00:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <c0d778384b56874d41f0f351bdc0f0a2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bless his heart...

On Thu, September 17, 2009 8:08 pm, Mike Royster wrote:
> Steve and I never fight over engines.  He buys the really nice and expensive
> ones, then I play with them.  Then eventually, they find their way to my
> house (at a greatly discounted and depreciated rate, of course.  I mean,
> they are USED and all that!).
>




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 01:55:46 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:55:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 20 05:17:57 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:17:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01ca39ec$635b18a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

A stellar job Patrick, I feel like I was there after viewing the photos. 
Thanks for posting!

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:55 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics


> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Sep 20 10:20:10 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:20:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <000301ca3a16$9cd840b0$42920556@intrepid>

I discovered their web site yesterday, (http://www.nmes.org/)  & after
chatting with their secretary was invited to visit which I did today.
Their next full working days are the 2nd & 3rd of January but they are
working on the engines on Wednesdays & Sundays & allow visitors with
similar interests. I really enjoyed the trip & have posted the pictures.
See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Sep 20 12:19:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:19:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <c2b.3d719d96.37e7da39@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/20/2009 12:32:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#


Beautiful pics--- and thanks!
    Stan Zettner
    Pleasanton,  Tex       old Stovers  etc


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 20 12:55:27 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:55:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
References: <000301ca3a16$9cd840b0$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002401ca3a2c$4cd993a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Nice and unusual too, good shots.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum


>I discovered their web site yesterday, (http://www.nmes.org/)  & after
> chatting with their secretary was invited to visit which I did today.
> Their next full working days are the 2nd & 3rd of January but they are
> working on the engines on Wednesdays & Sundays & allow visitors with
> similar interests. I really enjoyed the trip & have posted the pictures.
> See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 20 15:09:20 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:09:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <d60.585f89dc.37e80210@aol.com>

Dave,
 
What a great place to have visited.  I expect you will be going back  on 
the working days!
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From camaned at iinet.net.au  Mon Sep 21 03:17:40 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:17:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A29B54AB0B04C99A176C48EF384C177@CamPC>

Thanks very much for the pics, you didn't waste any time.
Cam.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 21 03:48:24 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:48:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6A29B54AB0B04C99A176C48EF384C177@CamPC>
Message-ID: <8009EFFA8AAB40C98968AC260482A222@Edd>

Very Good mate.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cam Grundy" <camaned at iinet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Thanks very much for the pics, you didn't waste any time.
> Cam.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:16 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
> 
> 
>> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Sep 21 07:58:54 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:58:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wow!  Really nice pictures and you took enough that you really got a feel for what was on display at the show.

I really liked that French engine although I couldn't figure out what sort of ignition system it had.  I'd love to have that engine in my collection as all my French engines are verticals.

George

Ps.  What did Kerry have at the show?

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 21 14:38:22 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:38:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BC83BAC3882745E68BE9FE4F2178FE03@KerryPC>

G'Day George

Took the Austral Hopper Cooled I bought of Peter 2 weeks ago.
got her sorted out and she will now start on first bounce
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/pages/DSCF3444_JPG.htm

As always Patrick has done a fantastic Job.

The French engine is
Rejou Lerouge & co

Paris

No 232 Type B6

Hot tube engine believed the only one to survive

Built 1900



Missing several bits



Kerry Oz


>>
> I really liked that French engine although I couldn't figure out what sort 
> of ignition system it had.  I'd love to have that engine in my collection 
> as all my French engines are verticals.
>
> George
>
> Ps.  What did Kerry have at the show?
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 22 10:03:30 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:03:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253635202.26180.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190000.01efdb38@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 22/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:38:22 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
>
>G'Day George
>
>Took the Austral Hopper Cooled I bought of Peter 2 weeks ago.
>got her sorted out and she will now start on first bounce
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/pages/DSCF3444_JPG.htm

<snip>
>Kerry Oz

That's beautiful Kerry,
         Is that finish "as found" (but cleaned) or is there oil or 
something else applied?

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 22 11:07:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:07:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190507.00c00510@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         After a record number of posts (for recent times) on the SEL list 
about 3 days ago suddenly all is quiet! Oldengine is the same.

         For want of anything engine related to say, I've been busy 
repairing the front end of my pickup, which had an unfortunate meeting with 
a small antelope about a year ago - (unfortunate for the antelope that 
is!). For the pickup it just involved a plastic body part and repaint of 
the front bumper, valance, covers and "bull bar".

         Enginewise, I've been busy spraying primer onto all the "bits" of 
the Lister 5/1 and yesterday a friend helped me strip and clean the diesel 
pump and injector  - apart from being a bit "gelled" all was well. He did 
his apprenticeship on diesels so is well qualified to help me (who knows 
very little about diesel but is learning fast!)

         He is coming back in a few days and we will set up one of the 
injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that he gave me 
when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump. I'm really 
looking forward to the experience (and knowledge).

         I'm working toward having the engine running at it's first engine 
day (rally) at Neville Botha's open day which is the last Saturday of 
November. Some of you may remember that I actually found 2 of these engines 
- the other went to George Botha (no relation to Neville) who is arguably 
our South African Lister expert. George and I decided to restore them 
identically (as far as possible) and show them together at rallies that we 
both attend. I mentioned "as far as possible" - although these 2 engines 
were supplied to our South African Railways workshops at the same time 
(1953) there are 2 differences - his has an "oil bath" air cleaner and mine 
has an element type. The silencers are also different but apart from that 
they are identical - I think that they will look really good standing next 
to each other at a show!.
         Just imagine - 2 engines made in 1953 that spent their lives 
together doing the same job - now "retired" and in preservation also 
together (almost).
All for now.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 22 11:28:09 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:28:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
Message-ID: <d6a.4eaa1336.37ea7139@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/22/2009 2:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

He is coming back in a few days and we will set up  one of the 
injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that  he gave me 
when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump.  I'm really 
looking forward to the experience (and  knowledge).


Jerry,
 
Maybe you should post a picture or two of the calibrator and process  for 
those of us that have never done it either.
 
I have been putting my screen cooled Famous back together today that I have 
 had apart since last winter when I had some cylinder/piston machining work 
done  to it.  With all the piping/etc., it is like a jigsaw.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Sep 22 12:58:51 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:58:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090922155512.0cf0d6a0@ncweb.com>

I have recently posted some kinda neat engines on Youtube,
a nice little Lister, and a 100+ Hp Cooper-Bessemer.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane&view=videos

Have a bit more to post soon from the Wellington OH show.

Dave Merchant

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 22 14:23:40 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:23:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090922212349.2C75D302919@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Frank, How did you do on Ebay? It looked like a nice oiler. Cya, Jimmy 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 22 14:48:55 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:48:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <20090922212349.2C75D302919@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL106-W1128111DCCB1676A0B5ED1B4DC0@phx.gbl>


Jimmy;

It was for a friend, I quit looking @ $440.00 & deleted it lol

I got an E-Mail this AM that said it was way to rich for his blood.

 

               Thanks 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:23:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Hi Frank, How did you do on Ebay? It looked like a nice oiler. Cya, Jimmy 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> 
> Hell folks;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
> 
> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
> 
> that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
> 
> 
> 
> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 22 15:44:49 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:44:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190507.00c00510@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <092220092244.14564.4AB9536100048EAB000038E4223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Jerry,
Are you still duplicating serial plates for engines?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>: -------------- 


> Hi All, 
> After a record number of posts (for recent times) on the SEL list 
> about 3 days ago suddenly all is quiet! Oldengine is the same. 
> 
> For want of anything engine related to say, I've been busy 
> repairing the front end of my pickup, which had an unfortunate meeting with 
> a small antelope about a year ago - (unfortunate for the antelope that 
> is!). For the pickup it just involved a plastic body part and repaint of 
> the front bumper, valance, covers and "bull bar". 
> 
> Enginewise, I've been busy spraying primer onto all the "bits" of 
> the Lister 5/1 and yesterday a friend helped me strip and clean the diesel 
> pump and injector - apart from being a bit "gelled" all was well. He did 
> his apprenticeship on diesels so is well qualified to help me (who knows 
> very little about diesel but is learning fast!) 
> 
> He is coming back in a few days and we will set up one of the 
> injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that he gave me 
> when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump. I'm really 
> looking forward to the experience (and knowledge). 
> 
> I'm working toward having the engine running at it's first engine 
> day (rally) at Neville Botha's open day which is the last Saturday of 
> November. Some of you may remember that I actually found 2 of these engines 
> - the other went to George Botha (no relation to Neville) who is arguably 
> our South African Lister expert. George and I decided to restore them 
> identically (as far as possible) and show them together at rallies that we 
> both attend. I mentioned "as far as possible" - although these 2 engines 
> were supplied to our South African Railways workshops at the same time 
> (1953) there are 2 differences - his has an "oil bath" air cleaner and mine 
> has an element type. The silencers are also different but apart from that 
> they are identical - I think that they will look really good standing next 
> to each other at a show!. 
> Just imagine - 2 engines made in 1953 that spent their lives 
> together doing the same job - now "retired" and in preservation also 
> together (almost). 
> All for now. 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down) 
> Jerry Evans 
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. 
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 22 19:15:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:15:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090922155512.0cf0d6a0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEIGIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I love those big 2-cycle Diesels!  Especially if they've got short straight pipes on 'em!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Merchant
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 02:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 23 02:00:10 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:00:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] East coast of Oz in darkness due to dust storm
Message-ID: <96BE4EDEE06D4BD190DC715851FA91A9@peterlowe>

East Cost of Oz darkened by huge dust storm, worst for 70 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rch-idwM5E

http://www.abc.net.au/local/videos/2009/09/22/2693489.htm?site=brokenhill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlD22HwPvI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WRT4akgPW8

From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 24 12:52:41 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190000.01efdb38@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <397637.66851.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

TO;? NO. AMERICAN CREW
FROM: BILL YOUNG IN JAPAN
RE: MAG & IGNITER

MY GOOD BUDDY, KOBAYASHI, CAME TO ME FOR HELP LOCATING A? A MAG & IGNITER FOR HIS "WASHINGTON" ENGINE.? NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME, I PULLED OUT MY WENDELL'S.? NO WASHINGTON, BUT KOBAYASHI DID RECOGNIZE WORTHINGTON.
? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN FIND AND PURCHASE A MAG AND IGNITER FOR A WORTHINGTON 2.5 H.P.?
?? THANKS, BILL





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 15:19:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <397637.66851.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090924221951.DB7203028CC@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Mr. Young, sorry I don't know of any for sale ,now, But According to
Wendle' note book ,your looking for a Webster bracket # 303 M68 B and a AMM
mag. Good luck! Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Young
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:53 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE

TO;? NO. AMERICAN CREW
FROM: BILL YOUNG IN JAPAN
RE: MAG & IGNITER

MY GOOD BUDDY, KOBAYASHI, CAME TO ME FOR HELP LOCATING A? A MAG & IGNITER
FOR HIS "WASHINGTON" ENGINE.? NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME, I PULLED
OUT MY WENDELL'S.? NO WASHINGTON, BUT KOBAYASHI DID RECOGNIZE WORTHINGTON.
? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN FIND AND PURCHASE A MAG AND
IGNITER FOR A WORTHINGTON 2.5 H.P.?
?? THANKS, BILL



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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 24 17:27:41 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <20090924221951.DB7203028CC@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <930792.55144.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

JIMMY-SAN,? THANK YOU.? WHEN MAIL COMES ADDRESSED TO MR. YOUNG, I THINK IT IS FOR MY FATHER.? PLEASE CALL ME BILL.? YES, I EXPECT FINDING THE MAG AND IGNITER WILL BE BOTH DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE.? BUT I TOLD MY JAPANESE BUDDY I WOULD GIVE IT A SHOT WITH MY ENGINE FRIENDS ON THIS NET.? BILL




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Sep 25 18:36:42 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:36:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Babbittrite
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS285CF8BDE16303825FE00BBD80@phx.gbl>

Gang, what am I doing wrong?  I dam both end of a 7" lower main bearing, get 
it hot and the first thing to pull away from the seal is the babbittrite. 
Using a blowtorch, not a Rosebud.  I've had better results with Play-dough 
and Plumbers putty.

TIA,
RickinMt. 



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Sep 25 19:29:00 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:29:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbittrite
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS285CF8BDE16303825FE00BBD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090925222900.9HSKE.5824435.root@mp14>


---- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote: 
> Gang, what am I doing wrong?  I dam both end of a 7" lower main bearing, get 
> it hot and the first thing to pull away from the seal is the babbittrite. 
> Using a blowtorch, not a Rosebud.  I've had better results with Play-dough 
> and Plumbers putty.
> 
> TIA,
> RickinMt. 
> 
Rick, had the same problem myself. It helps if you can wrap it around the shaft and stick it to itself, pile it on in a heavy mound. I like to use RTV sealer, it's messy to get off, but it won't leak. You don't have to wait for it to cure, just let it tack up a little bit.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Sep 25 21:06:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:06:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
Message-ID: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 21:29:23 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:29:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy O'Hagan
Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:06 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Sep 25 21:55:43 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:55:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ca3e65$9abd0ba0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Jim

Copy the last line 067dvK47_BwwE# and add it to the end of the picasaweb
address.  That's what I did and it worked.

Ron
Canberra

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2009 2:29 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy O'Hagan
Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:06 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
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N460NDixhaD8MNUgl3mMSCQ8KSc/
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Sep 25 21:56:06 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:56:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <37EE721C-995E-4A87-AFC9-386E1C5230A1@rustyiron.com>

The software chopped up the URL.
Try this:  http://tinyurl.com/yeo5xum

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy  
> O'Hagan
> Novato,Ca.
>
> Jim O'Hagan


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 26 04:41:12 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:41:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
References: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <7813A9D3A7F642609CD8F4D360A33020@PAUL>

Nice pictures Ron, thanks for posting them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rdhaskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures


> Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
> Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
> for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
> us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
> Thirteen pictures are up at:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
> O67dvK47_BwwE#
> 
> 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep 26 07:50:00 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:50:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEJLIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Try this:

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMO67dvK47_BwwE#

If it all comes out on one line, it will go.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of rdhaskell
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Sep 26 13:16:22 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
Message-ID: <ba8da761e97fdfa6303c2845aa4bfbb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A few weeks ago I had an email from a bloke who was looking for info on Fero air
compressors and ran across my website.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm

It turns out his father had died and the son was in the process of cleaning out the
garage and wanted to sell the compressor.  Pictures were looked at, a price was
agreed on and pickup was arranged for this morning.  Here's a pic of the compressor
as found...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Fero_Air_Pump/Fero_Air_Pump.jpg

The best part is the house with the compressor was less than five miles from where I
live!  The father had purchased it from a former Gulf gasoline station that was
going out of business.  My wife even knew his mother from time they spent in PTA
together.  Small world 'eh?

The compressor condition is amazing; original finish, original decal, it looks like
all the external parts are there and it appears to have good compression.  The motor
is a modern Dayton replacement.

Now if it will just quit chucking down rain I can get the trailer unloaded!

I'm a VERY happy camper.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Sep 26 18:40:13 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
In-Reply-To: <ba8da761e97fdfa6303c2845aa4bfbb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>


Congratulations Arnie, glad it made it's way home. You need to find a period motor for it.
J.B. Castagnos
Bele Rose, LA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep 27 02:37:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:37:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Earlier in the week someone asked me to post the info when I had 
finished calibrating the diesel injector for the Lister 5/1.

         Page and pics here, I hope it is useful.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm>



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 06:25:14 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:25:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <c1f.6afbd35f.37f0c1ba@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 5:40:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Earlier  in the week someone asked me to post the info when I had 
finished  calibrating the diesel injector for the Lister 5/1


 
Pretty simple operation.
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 06:49:04 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:49:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <d31.56953a5d.37f0c750@aol.com>

Jerry,
Many thanks to you and your friend for taking the time to document  your 
diesel injector timing procedure.  Even though I don't have a diesel  engine, 
I found that your article was very informative.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 2:40:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Page and  pics here, I hope it is  useful.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm>   






From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 06:57:10 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 08:09:06 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:09:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

VERY interesting!  As a side note, I have a friend up North who once, in a fit of foolishness, decided to work on a General Motors 5.9 liter Diesel.  This was the engine that was notorious for breaking internal parts.

One of the things he did was to collect a lot of the non-adjustable injectors and sort them according to cracking pressure.  He didn't have one of those fancy rigs so he just used a pump grease gun filled with Diesel fuel and a hydraulic pressure gauge.  He said it worked fine!

It wasn't much later that he abandoned the idea that the GM 5.9 was a good engine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 04:38 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>          Earlier in the week someone asked me to 
> post the info when I had 
> finished calibrating the diesel injector for the 
> Lister 5/1.
> 
>          Page and pics here, I hope it is useful.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htmhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 07:07:12 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:07:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>


Curt;

Are you saying that the valves are in cages ?

 

                    B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000
> Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
> 
> Hi All,
> My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage. Sure could use some help and ideas.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 07:31:28 2009
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket. it is important to tighten the three bolts evenly.? skip

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:57 AM


Hi All,
My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.? So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.? We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.? Timing is right on.? By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.? Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.? Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.? All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.???Sure could use? some help and ideas.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



      

From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 07:41:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:41:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
skipl130 at yahoo.com writes:

on mine,  there is a copper & asbestos gasket


Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Sep 27 07:42:18 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:42:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>

Curt, its been a while since I had my H but can you center light up in 
the intake and then take out the igniter and see if you can see it? When 
you are talking that the surfaces are true, did you ck with a straight 
edge or did you try a flat file? Another thought is its cracked up 
inside and when you tighten it the crack opens up. Hope not!! Doug T

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hi All,
> My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
>
>   



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Sep 27 10:00:59 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>


Curt, if you can see the back side of the intake, you could fill the cylinder with diesel or kero, bring it up on compression and hold it, watch for leaks.
J.B. Castagnos


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 27 10:28:24 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:28:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

C'mon Elden, it was a 5.7L and once 1982 rolled around, they were 
damn reliable engines!  I've owned two of them that went past 200,000 miles!!

You should be revoked of your "diesel-nut" card for that!  ;-)

-Tony



At 10:09 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry:
>
>VERY interesting!  As a side note, I have a friend up North who 
>once, in a fit of foolishness, decided to work on a General Motors 
>5.9 liter Diesel.  This was the engine that was notorious for 
>breaking internal parts.
>
>One of the things he did was to collect a lot of the non-adjustable 
>injectors and sort them according to cracking pressure.  He didn't 
>have one of those fancy rigs so he just used a pump grease gun 
>filled with Diesel fuel and a hydraulic pressure gauge.  He said it 
>worked fine!
>
>It wasn't much later that he abandoned the idea that the GM 5.9 was 
>a good engine.



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 17:49:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:49:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Group:

The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the Club or give you an email address to send it to.

Thanks! 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 18:03:12 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:03:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:

I was wrong about the engine displacement but right that it was a hunk of junk, at least the earlier "glossed over" gas 350's.  I've seen lots of them with broken pistons, cracked cylinder walls, broken crankshafts, etc.

As a result of that, I don't think I ever knew that the design had an epiphany.  I thought it was simply junked and a totaly new engine was born.

AND I will not willingly give up my "Diesel Freak" card or even my "Clag Card"!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
> 
> 
> C'mon Elden, it was a 5.7L and once 1982 rolled 
> around, they were 
> damn reliable engines!  I've owned two of them 
> that went past 200,000 miles!!
> 
> You should be revoked of your "diesel-nut" card 
> for that!  ;-)
> 
> -Tony




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Sep 27 17:19:28 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:19:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000501ca3fd1$5bfcf660$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine


> Group:
> The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you 
> has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the 
> Club or give you an email address to send it to.
> Thanks!  Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

Hi Elden, probably not clear enough but I have put one on
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5386305451622958786
I hope this helps!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 27 18:10:05 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:10:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

The biggest problem with the early ones (1977-81) was the 
Roosa-Master injection pumps and lack of any fuel/water 
separator.  They would get water in them and the pump would rust 
internally, causing timing problems.  That's why you see so many with 
broken cranks, pistons, etc.  The pumps would get out of time and the 
injectors would fire too early and cause all kind of internal 
havoc.  Another weak spot was their use of "torque to yield" head 
bolts (stretch bolts).  When the car's would come in with blown head 
gaskets, the mechanics would mill the block and re-use the head 
bolts, thus ensuring another blown gasket in the near future.  The 
final nail in the coffin was their use of flat tappet cams that were 
just not up to the heavy duty task of a diesel, and would round off 
pretty frequently.  Most of the bugs were worked out with the 
introduction of the DX block in 1982 (replacing the original D 
block).  The DX block used a heavy duty roller cam, better head 
bolts, and they also replaced the crapola Rossa-Master pump with a 
Bosch and installed water separators.

It was too late though, as the public had already seen the carnage 
caused by the early ones, and wanted nothing to do with them.  They 
finally quit offering the option in 1985.  Basically, it was an 
engine that should have spent 2-3 more years in the R&D 
department.  Once all the bugs were worked out, they were a very 
reliable diesel.

Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4

Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find another 350 diesel to 
tinker with!! ;-)

-Tony



At 08:03 PM 9/27/2009, you wrote:
>Tony:
>
>I was wrong about the engine displacement but right that it was a 
>hunk of junk, at least the earlier "glossed over" gas 350's.  I've 
>seen lots of them with broken pistons, cracked cylinder walls, 
>broken crankshafts, etc.
>
>As a result of that, I don't think I ever knew that the design had 
>an epiphany.  I thought it was simply junked and a totaly new engine was born.
>
>AND I will not willingly give up my "Diesel Freak" card or even my 
>"Clag Card"!    :-)



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 27 19:27:18 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:27:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
In-Reply-To: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>
References: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <77BE4C2E-ACD7-4495-933F-7D5D40AB95A9@me.com>

Hi Arnie, I think I have one in the barn. Remind me to look!
	Dave

On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:40 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>
> Congratulations Arnie, glad it made it's way home. You need to find  
> a period motor for it.
> J.B. Castagnos
> Bele Rose, LA
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 27 21:26:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:26:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND 09
In-Reply-To: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>
References: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>
Message-ID: <793B08F7-88C0-46BA-A3CD-03DF6190D0CB@me.com>

I'm not sure about whet you say John. EVERY time Russ FARTED IN PUBLIC  
(which was OFTEN) he quickly said "My father taughr me that!"

	Dave

On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:27 PM, sumron wrote:

> Hi all that were lucky enough to be at Portland,
>
> Certainly looks like Russell made us in OZ , PROUD, as he sure seems  
> to have left his mark, ( re, girlie engines)  and I just know he  
> cant get home quick enough to have a REAL BEER .
> I take no responsibility for his ( if any ) bad behaviour, blame his  
> mother for that ,
>
> cheers all, John


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:21:17 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:21:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <092820091121.12853.4AC09C2D0006371200003235223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yes Doug, we did have ignitor off and examined it for cracks as well as checking the mating surfice with a straight edge rule.  We also tried different thicknesses of gasket material which did help somewhat but if we tightened the three nuts down the damn blow by continued.  
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>: -------------- 


> Curt, its been a while since I had my H but can you center light up in 
> the intake and then take out the igniter and see if you can see it? When 
> you are talking that the surfaces are true, did you ck with a straight 
> edge or did you try a flat file? Another thought is its cracked up 
> inside and when you tighten it the crack opens up. Hope not!! Doug T 
> 
> cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> > Hi All, > My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in 
> place.........the blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage 
> of the intake and engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one 
> of these engines or had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and 
> the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of 
> warpage. Sure could use some help and ideas. 
> > Thank you in advance. 
> > Curt Andree 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:28:34 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <092820091128.22273.4AC09DE2000E97D800005701223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Tom,
Good point on copper/asbestos gasket.  Where can a get a chunk?  The orginal material had been cemented on which created a real job trying to pry it off.  Not sure if it had any copper but almost positive some sort of thick asbestos type stuff.
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 


> 
> In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> skipl130 at yahoo.com writes: 
> 
> on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket 
> 
> 
> Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
> 
> 
> Tom Schmutz 
> Concord, Va. 
> germoamer at AOL.com 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:30:40 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <092820091130.26272.4AC09E60000D0D81000066A0223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Skip, just got the same thought from Tom.  Now I need some copper/asbestos material.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Skip Landis <skipl130 at yahoo.com>: -------------- 

on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket. it is important to tighten the 
> three bolts evenly.  skip 
> 
> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
> Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed 
> To: "SEL Lists" 
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:57 AM 
> 
> 
> Hi All, My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage 
> of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one 
> of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and 
> the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of 
> warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas. 
> Thank you in advance. 
> Curt Andree 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:34:23 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:34:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <092820091134.640.4AC09F3F00019A9700000280223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yes Frank the intake valve is in an enclosed chamber which is called a cage in the orginal parts manual.
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>: -------------- 


> 
> Curt; 
> 
> Are you saying that the valves are in cages ? 
> 
> 
> 
> B, Rgds 
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000 
> > Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed 
> > 
> > Hi All, > My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the 
> blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and 
> engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or 
> had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are 
> polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage. Sure could use some 
> help and ideas. 
> > Thank you in advance. 
> > Curt Andree 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 07:21:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:21:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <000501ca3fd1$5bfcf660$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Thanks!  I'll send it in case they can use it.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Croft
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 07:19 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:49 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> > Group:
> > The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is 
> wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a 
> Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you 
> > has a good photo of one or the illustration 
> from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd 
> be happy to either forward it to the 
> > Club or give you an email address to send it to.
> > Thanks!  Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> Hi Elden, probably not clear enough but I have put one on
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#538630
5451622958786
I hope this helps!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 07:24:52 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:  

You need to keep up with your meds a little better!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 08:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.

............snip...............................
> 
> Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
> wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4
> 
> Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find 
> another 350 diesel to 
> tinker with!! ;-)
> 
> -Tony




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:53:37 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:53:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/28 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Group:
>
> The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it. ?If any of you has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the Club or give you an email address to send it to.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Take care - Elden

Elden:

There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 photos if you want to
have a dig through.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:57:02 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:57:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909281357n4705128dx407ef4af5f367243@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/28 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Elden:
>
> There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 photos if you want to
> have a dig through.
>
> Peter

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 14:21:03 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:21:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1111348119-1254173060-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930124875-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Elden,
You know as well as I do that there's no meds that can cure diesel fever!

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:52 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.


Tony:  

You need to keep up with your meds a little better!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 08:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.

.............snip...............................
> 
> Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
> wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4
> 
> Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find 
> another 350 diesel to 
> tinker with!! ;-)
> 
> -Tony


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 16:55:31 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:55:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

So far, we're not doing so good.  Does anybody have a catalog cut of a Black Bear engine.  It has to be convertable to something that can be silk-screened.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 03:54 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> 2009/9/28 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Group:
> >
> > The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is 
> wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a 
> Black Bear engine on it. ?If any of you has a 
> good photo of one or the illustration from a 
> catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be 
> happy to either forward it to the Club or give 
> you an email address to send it to.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> Elden:
> 
> There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 
> photos if you want to
> have a dig through.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 28 16:32:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8cfb2be27ae5c146d1c7fa648386be3e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Elden,

I think most of the Oilwell Supply catalogs would have several pages of pictures of
the Black Bear engines.  Maybe find a copy on line; maybe in Google books or one of
the national archives?

I'll try and remember to look when I get home.  I have several OWS catalogs.  I'll
wager that a lot of other list folks do also.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, September 28, 2009 7:55 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> So far, we're not doing so good.  Does anybody have a catalog cut of a Black Bear
> engine.  It has to be convertable to something that can be silk-screened.





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 17:32:39 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:32:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <8cfb2be27ae5c146d1c7fa648386be3e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Thanks for whatever you glean from your collection.  Preferably would be a governor side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would make it relatively easy to make into a silk screen.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 06:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> I think most of the Oilwell Supply catalogs would 
> have several pages of pictures of
> the Black Bear engines.  Maybe find a copy on 
> line; maybe in Google books or one of
> the national archives?
> 
> I'll try and remember to look when I get home.  I 
> have several OWS catalogs.  I'll
> wager that a lot of other list folks do also.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 28 21:21:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Eldon,

How's this?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> Thanks for whatever you glean from your collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would make it relatively easy to make
> into a silk screen.





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Sep 29 02:14:36 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:14:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>


On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property to
watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad (Kevin)
did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.

I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
video is at 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw

Ron
Canberra







From mike17257 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 02:51:35 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:51:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <844af0290909290251i416dd878w99dfc560afcf95fc@mail.gmail.com>

That was great - the smile on Kevins face tells it all.  Thanks for a great
video,


Mike

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property
> to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 03:22:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092820091128.22273.4AC09DE2000E97D800005701223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W16EA8730BBA68E47C33D76B4D50@phx.gbl>


Curt ;

I would suspect a crack of some sort in the cage or head area, nearby  

also my Atlas had all valves in cages, the sealing washer / gasket was soft 

{annealed} copper.

 

              Best of luck

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] E&B help needed
> 
> Hi Tom,
> Good point on copper/asbestos gasket. Where can a get a chunk? The orginal material had been cemented on which created a real job trying to pry it off. Not sure if it had any copper but almost positive some sort of thick asbestos type stuff.
> thanks,
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 
> 
> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > skipl130 at yahoo.com writes: 
> > 
> > on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket 
> > 
> > 
> > Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz 
> > Concord, Va. 
> > germoamer at AOL.com 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Sep 29 03:32:04 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:32:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
Message-ID: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>

Hi All
This is an important message to all R&V owners and other engine people.

There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the Midwest Old Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and do not miss out on this show.
This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we can all come together.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

You guys are the ones with R&V engines, so you guys have the potential to make it really happen. Do not sit on the fence, make it a family event. Mt Pleasant Show is a top show and a top venue for all the family. I was there in 2003 and had a ball. Get in early to book accommodation.

The Midwest Old Threshers http://www.oldthreshers.org/ web site will be updated in due course so keep this link book marked for future reference.
Also the R&V web site will be hosting all the necessary information and linked to the Midwest Old Threshers web site as well.

Start talking amongst yourselves, your friends and your clubs. 

For more information contact Barry Tuller at RV2010 at comcast.com Barry will be closely liaising with me and the R&V Register Web Site over the coming months.

R&V 2010 in coming - BE THERE

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 04:47:14 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:47:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <be0.65d5888b.37f34dc2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/28/2009 7:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Good  point on copper/asbestos gasket.  Where can a get a  chunk? 


Starbolt has a lot of copper gaskets listed in various sizes.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 08:06:53 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Thanks!  I'll send the link along.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> How's this?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your 
> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would 
> make it relatively easy to make
> > into a silk screen.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 08:10:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:10:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAELDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Thanks for the flick!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ron Page
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 04:15 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep 29 09:21:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
In-Reply-To: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>
References: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <e2bbdd2a2ffb2a9b89fe5591ec188978.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Mate,

Three questions....

1) Will the R&V Wizard be attending?
2) Will the long-awaited R&V history be available?
3) Will the event be run with military precision?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:32 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the Midwest Old
> Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
> The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and do not miss
> out on this show.
> This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we can all
> come together.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm





From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep 29 10:27:58 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>

Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local  
> property to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad  
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through  
> OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>



From jeffchattin at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 15:06:57 2009
From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:06:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <9B3C9C62-16F6-42A0-8774-CAD7C7DD73F8@me.com>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>


I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff

 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 15:28:48 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:28:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
Message-ID: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>

Seems I have heard some use oven cleaner or hand degreaser soap. May  be 
wrong.  There will be lots of ideas forth coming.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep 29 15:54:07 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <87e7d687ea234d5424bcb8008fdc3f6f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jeff,

You'll get a lot of different opinions on this one.  Mine is to get five gallons of
kerosene and a couple of stiff brushes.  Then start gently cleaning.  It may take
longer than some more aggressive methods, but it's pretty rare that you'll utter the
dreaded "OH SHIT!" and wished that you hadn't been so impatient.

It also gives you a chance to really go over the engine, looking for unusual wear,
fine cracks, etc.; the sort of stuff you might miss when just hitting it with 1000
psi steam.  There's really no rush.  Take your time and enjoy that original finish
being slowly revealed a layer at a time.

It's sorta like a strip-tease for engine men.  8-))

Good luck with it.  Is this your first engine, or one of many?  I don't think we've
heard much from you before.  Tell us a bit about yourself and your collection.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:06 pm, jeff chattin wrote:
>
> I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best
> way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would
> mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Sep 29 16:24:30 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:24:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca415b$febda030$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Will have to get Patrick to answer that.

Ron
Canberra

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 3:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video

Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local  
> property to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad  
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through  
> OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>

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SEL mailing list
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 17:41:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:41:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).

You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off. 

If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.

It's very gentle to paint.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Sep 29 16:40:02 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:40:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Rob, I have seen quite a few of varying size stationary Australs. No 
way near the number of portables how ever. There is a chap only 
minutes from me with two. I also had the chance last year to purchase 
x2 16hp stationary's also. There is a new-ish shed at lake goldsmith 
(not the Ronaldson Tippet/austral shed) with a number of stationary's 
set up also. They do look pretty neat.
Russell

At 03:27 AM 30/09/2009, you wrote:
>Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.
>
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>
>rob at rustyiron.com
>www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local
> > property to
> > watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad
> > (Kevin)
> > did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> > surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
> >
> > I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through
> > OK.  The
> > video is at
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
> >
> > Ron
> > Canberra
> >
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 29 17:15:06 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:15:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <BF5EBC87AF0E4E31BFF769068525C56C@PAUL>

Great Video Ron, love it and thanks for posting it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video


>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property 
> to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad 
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>
>
>
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 19:21:47 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:21:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
References: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15D70379-6C8B-4417-A81B-D84E7B80AE60@me.com>

Oven cleaner will likely remove/fade the paint!
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Seems I have heard some use oven cleaner or hand degreaser soap.  
> May  be
> wrong.  There will be lots of ideas forth coming.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 19:23:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:23:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>

I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never found  
it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway  
gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated  
> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>
> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak  
> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the  
> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>
> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry  
> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>
> It's very gentle to paint.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From jeffchattin at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 19:18:17 2009
From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <87e7d687ea234d5424bcb8008fdc3f6f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>


Arnie

 The 8 hp Mogul is an engine I first saw when I was about 8 years old and it took me about 26 years to get it. I turn it over many rounds through the years to keep it from sticking. I've had it running a few times (pulling a cut off saw) but I'm finally getting around to cleaning it up. It has a good bit of paint under the grease and I don't want to do anything to make it come off. Its a stationary hopper cooled engine and the only thing I missing is the pot muffler(anybody got an extra or a pattern).  

  We don't have many engines that have local history in our area (North Georgia) and I'm trying to gather some of them up. The owner of the mogul wanted it to stay in the area and he was grinning when we first fired it up. He had it close to forty years and he had never heard it run.  

  

 

Jeff Chattin

Canton Georgia
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:07 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> You'll get a lot of different opinions on this one. Mine is to get five gallons of
> kerosene and a couple of stiff brushes. Then start gently cleaning. It may take
> longer than some more aggressive methods, but it's pretty rare that you'll utter the
> dreaded "OH SHIT!" and wished that you hadn't been so impatient.
> 
> It also gives you a chance to really go over the engine, looking for unusual wear,
> fine cracks, etc.; the sort of stuff you might miss when just hitting it with 1000
> psi steam. There's really no rush. Take your time and enjoy that original finish
> being slowly revealed a layer at a time.
> 
> It's sorta like a strip-tease for engine men. 8-))
> 
> Good luck with it. Is this your first engine, or one of many? I don't think we've
> heard much from you before. Tell us a bit about yourself and your collection.
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:06 pm, jeff chattin wrote:
> >
> > I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best
> > way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would
> > mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 29 19:32:15 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:32:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>
Message-ID: <027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of 
degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.

I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.  I'm on 
my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine, 
overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine


>I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never found
> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
> Dave
>
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>
>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>
>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>
>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 19:41:53 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:41:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
Message-ID: <ca0.5d40788c.37f41f71@aol.com>

BIG 10-4 on the GUNK!
  Stan Zettner
     old  Stovers!


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 20:01:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:01:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>
	<027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <BE67B8FE-68C2-427C-B269-2903A7EEB0B2@me.com>

Hi Rick, Have you ever known Gunk to take paint off?
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of
> degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.
>
> I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.   
> I'm on
> my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine,
> overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
>
>
>> I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never  
>> found
>> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
>> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>
>>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>>
>>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>>
>>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>>
>>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>>
>>> Take care - Elden


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 29 20:06:11 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com><027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<BE67B8FE-68C2-427C-B269-2903A7EEB0B2@me.com>
Message-ID: <029701ca417a$f6e02260$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

No.  It hasn't taken the paint off anything that I've used it on.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine


> Hi Rick, Have you ever known Gunk to take paint off?
> Dave
> 
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:
> 
>> I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of
>> degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.
>>
>> I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.   
>> I'm on
>> my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine,
>> overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
>>
>>
>>> I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never  
>>> found
>>> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
>>> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>>>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>>>
>>>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>>>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>>>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>>>
>>>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>>>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>>>
>>>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>>>
>>>> Take care - Elden
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 20:41:37 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:41:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Zig Zag Express
Message-ID: <20090930040636.0DAAF302C07@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Any one thinking of traveling west on RT.80 past Pontiac Il. with room for a
4 horse FM. "T", I'd REALLY like to hear from you. It needs a ride to the
west coast ,but any chunk of the trip will help. No big rush, so yank my
chain and we can work out the compensation [shim stock fund] and logistics.
Thanks for your help, Jimmy O'Hagan,  415 892 0236,  Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep 29 21:52:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:52:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A99E130E-37C7-4441-9593-9070508F73BA@rustyiron.com>

Jeff,
Both Gunk and oven cleaner will damage old paint.   Keep them away  
from your engine.  I like Simple Green and turpentine, depending on  
what I'm doing.  But keep in mind that even these can be damaging.   
Take your time and be gentle.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:18 PM, jeff chattin wrote:

> The 8 hp Mogul is an engine I first saw when I was about 8 years old  
> and it took me about 26 years to get it. I turn it over many rounds  
> through the years to keep it from sticking. I've had it running a  
> few times (pulling a cut off saw) but I'm finally getting around to  
> cleaning it up. It has a good bit of paint under the grease and I  
> don't want to do anything to make it come off. Its a stationary  
> hopper cooled engine and the only thing I missing is the pot  
> muffler(anybody got an extra or a pattern).
>
>  We don't have many engines that have local history in our area  
> (North Georgia) and I'm trying to gather some of them up. The owner  
> of the mogul wanted it to stay in the area and he was grinning when  
> we first fired it up. He had it close to forty years and he had  
> never heard it run.



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Sep 29 23:30:25 2009
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:30:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
Message-ID: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>

G,day rob 
here a link to a few pics of my 5hp base engine 
http://rides.webshots.com/album/398091027GETdBt
regards Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:27:58 -0700

> Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a
> beauty.
> 
>     
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to
> > a local   property to
> > watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock
> > and his dad   (Kevin)
> > did the honours. I missed the start because it was too
> > quick - even surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
> >
> > I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes
> > through   OK.  The
> > video is at
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
> >
> > Ron
> > Canberra
> >
> 
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> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 04:08:44 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <be0.65d5888b.37f34dc2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <093020091108.24501.4AC33C3C000CC24C00005FB5223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom will give a bill a call soon.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 


> 
> In a message dated 9/28/2009 7:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> cgandree at mchsi.com writes: 
> 
> Good point on copper/asbestos gasket. Where can a get a chunk? 
> 
> 
> Starbolt has a lot of copper gaskets listed in various sizes. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz 
> Concord, Va. 
> germoamer at AOL.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 04:27:22 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:27:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
moving them around.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 30 04:35:23 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:35:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
Message-ID: <F180C47B41FB47F796497C58FBD73694@peterlowe>

> G'day mate
> A1) $$$Maybe, no guarantee $$$
> A2) Probably not, but I will be assisting Barry Tuller. I am moving house 
> next week and if I get my life back into order MAYBE.
> A3) Definitely NOT, it will be a relaxing time for all ;-)))))
>
> Wizard from Oz
>
>
>
>
>> G'day Mate,
>>
>> Three questions....
>>
>> 1) Will the R&V Wizard be attending?
>> 2) Will the long-awaited R&V history be available?
>> 3) Will the event be run with military precision?  8-))
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:32 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
>>> There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the 
>>> Midwest Old
>>> Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
>>> The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and 
>>> do not miss
>>> out on this show.
>>> This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we 
>>> can all
>>> come together.
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
>> unsubscribe
>> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.
>>
> 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 07:47:14 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

I sent the link to the Club and they've edited the cut and are happy with the image.  The silk screener says it will reproduce fine.

Thanks from the East Tennessee Antique Machinery Club.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> How's this?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your 
> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would 
> make it relatively easy to make
> > into a silk screen.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 10:30:58 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a couple of years
now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to show, I can't
imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.

What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral made?  What is the
largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!

On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
> these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
> the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
> moving them around.





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Sep 30 10:28:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:28:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of 
our local newspaper.
         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 10:55:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:55:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <ebf1778269ec2bddb3cb6256beee85cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Glad to help Elden.  That's one of the reasons that I collect the paper.

Let me know when the T-shirts are ready; I might want to order one.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 10:47 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Arnie:
>
> I sent the link to the Club and they've edited the cut and are happy with the image.
>  The silk screener says it will reproduce fine.
>
> Thanks from the East Tennessee Antique Machinery Club.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
>>
>>
>> Eldon,
>>
>> How's this?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your
>> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
>> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would
>> make it relatively easy to make
>> > into a silk screen.
>
>
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>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 11:01:52 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <d94ca290c236e3dcaeb96408b56ae24c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry (and Jacqui),

Really neat accomplishment.  What's the featured engine that she's posed with?  As
Rob would say, "Great engine man's cheesecake."

BTW, I ran your "translation" past a Dutchman here at work.  He laughed at the play
on words, and said that ANY Aussie would instantly recognize the "illegal activities
described involving their beloved 'roos."  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 1:28 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>          My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of
> our local newspaper.
>          It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>




From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 11:06:48 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:06:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <08E3591B-D19C-49C1-AD92-7A047ACF5D5F@rustyiron.com>

The picture is good, but I don't read Bantu.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi All,
>         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's  
> edition of
> our local newspaper.
>         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 12:09:09 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:09:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
I will see what facts and figures I can dig out for you later. We only got
back from a week in Singapore last night so I have a lot of catching up to
do.
Off the top of my head... The largest portable known to survive is a 25hp! I
have seen this engine in person and it is massive. The largest Austral to
survive is a 32hp which is in the process of being converted from a
stationary to a portable for ease of movement.
My 3.5hp portable weighs in at 1.25 tonnes so if you scale up from there the
25hp is a beast.


On 1/10/09 3:30 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a couple of
> years
> now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to show, I
> can't
> imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.
> 
> What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral made?  What is
> the
> largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!
> 
> On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
>> these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
>> the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
>> moving them around.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 14:25:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:25:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <c3b.5ef565d5.37f526d7@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
Nice photo and write up  of your daughter and engine.  Too  bad I can't 
read piglatin or what ever it is!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Sep 30 14:30:47 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:30:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>

The 32hp Austral stationary weighed 4 tons 4 cwt (9,400 pounds) , the  
portable was 5 tons 5 cwt (11,760 pounds). The cylinder bore was 15  
inches and I have forgotten what the stroke was. I'll have to get out  
the tape measure.

Eric


From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 30 15:31:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:31:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day Arnie old mate.  A local member of our club owns a 25hp 
portable. I heard it was one of 2 survivers?? It is currently under 
restoration. I have seen it, wow it is one big heavy mother! If you 
can imagine Daves being a 1/2 to 1/3 scale model it would give you an 
idea :-) I must get over there again soon and see how it's coming 
along. It  must be real close as it was originally going to make it 
to the last National Rally in Murray Bridge


At 03:30 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote:
>G'day Patrick,
>
>Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a 
>couple of years
>now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to 
>show, I can't
>imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.
>
>What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral 
>made?  What is the
>largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!
>
>On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> > It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
> > these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
> > the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
> > moving them around.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 17:36:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:36:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <ebf1778269ec2bddb3cb6256beee85cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEMDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

I'll pass your request along to Melissa Milner, who's heading-up the tee shirt effort by her club.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Glad to help Elden.  That's one of the reasons 
> that I collect the paper.
> 
> Let me know when the T-shirts are ready; I might 
> want to order one.




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 17:48:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEMEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your daughter got her fifteen minutes of fame.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 16:49:24 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:49:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Excellent article, I enjoyed every word.  You've done a good job with your 
daughter.  Perhaps its time you sent her to a good finishing school here in 
NC!!!!!!!

Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Hi All,
>         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of
> our local newspaper.
>         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:26:38 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:26:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
Skip


> > 
> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
> 
>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>> Jerry Evans
>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:37:20 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:37:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <01db01ca422f$56058960$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Well Skip, maybe Betty does not want you to know all we talk about!!!!! 
"Oh Skip, that's just jibberish" when actually we are planning to auction 
your engines on Ebay!

In reality I can speak a few phrases of Dutch, just can't spell it!  This 
comes from a wedding toast, but this is a family page!

Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>
>
>> >
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>
>>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>>> Jerry Evans
>>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Sep 30 17:44:56 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:44:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>> Jerry Evans

Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
good enough.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:55:35 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:55:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<01db01ca422f$56058960$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <65005A77E1964CBC86C0B5DEF34E0A6B@YOURDA6F5028CB>

So, that's where they all went.  Her funny english keeps me off guard.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Well Skip, maybe Betty does not want you to know all we talk about!!!!! 
> "Oh Skip, that's just jibberish" when actually we are planning to auction 
> your engines on Ebay!
> 
> In reality I can speak a few phrases of Dutch, just can't spell it!  This 
> comes from a wedding toast, but this is a family page!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>> Skip
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>
>>>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>>>> Jerry Evans
>>>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:57:55 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:57:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <24A5DECF1B71451FBCEB452185807A72@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Oh lord. It's latin she's trying to speak.
Skip

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>> Skip
>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>> Jerry Evans
> 
> Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
> good enough.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 18:28:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:28:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <E88B99DC-8A18-40FC-93E8-D8772E3B8268@me.com>


On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> G'day Arnie old mate.

doG damn Arnie, I'm glad that Russ does not refer to me as an OLD mate!
	Dave


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 18:19:42 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB><000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>
	<24A5DECF1B71451FBCEB452185807A72@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <027301ca4235$4132f940$d0624b47@mikecomp>

ora et labora!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Oh lord. It's latin she's trying to speak.
> Skip
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
>> 
>> 
>>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>>> Skip
>>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>>> Jerry Evans
>> 
>> Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
>> good enough.
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 18:42:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:42:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
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WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP  
that light!
	Dave

On Sep 30, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Eric Schulz wrote:

> The 32hp Austral stationary weighed 4 tons 4 cwt (9,400 pounds) , the
> portable was 5 tons 5 cwt (11,760 pounds). The cylinder bore was 15
> inches and I have forgotten what the stroke was. I'll have to get out
> the tape measure.
>
> Eric
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Sep 30 18:57:09 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:57:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
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On 01/10/2009, at 11:42 AM, David Rotigel wrote:

> WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP
> that light!

One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500  
lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow  
as it will run.

Eric


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 19:27:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:27:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
	<60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <8BF680DA-590E-4CAE-9A19-A9F26DE0592E@me.com>

What do the flywheels (each) weigh? What is the dia. and face?
	Dave
PS, 100 RPM is not all that bad.

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Eric Schulz wrote:

>
> On 01/10/2009, at 11:42 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
>> WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP
>> that light!
>
> One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500
> lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow
> as it will run.
>
> Eric


From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 19:54:52 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:54:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>
References: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <1DDF979E-2A54-4DE9-93D4-BCF1EF101E8D@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:30 PM, brock at netspeed.com.au wrote:

> G,day rob
> here a link to a few pics of my 5hp base engine
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/398091027GETdBt
> regards Brock


Hey, Brock.  That's a big sized engine for five horse, and she's got  
a very distinctive base.  Neato.










From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 21:14:27 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:14:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
	<20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6C7C3C0A-FD9B-4BAB-BBEE-A3A8DD9FE10C@rustyiron.com>

Shoulda bought 'em, mate!


On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Rob, I have seen quite a few of varying size stationary Australs. No
> way near the number of portables how ever. There is a chap only
> minutes from me with two. I also had the chance last year to purchase
> x2 16hp stationary's also. There is a new-ish shed at lake goldsmith
> (not the Ronaldson Tippet/austral shed) with a number of stationary's
> set up also. They do look pretty neat.
> Russell


From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 21:15:50 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:15:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
	<60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <2D35930F-0A25-4ABD-B596-0A0CE1331316@rustyiron.com>

Nevertheless, it's got to be an impressive engine to see run.

> One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500
> lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow
> as it will run.
>
> Eric


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 30 21:28:41 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
Message-ID: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl>


I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.

I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."

I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 02:16:04 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:16:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <003401ca2a85$da010f80$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<003401ca2a85$da010f80$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909010216j114b2b3akde201891b7611f19@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/31 Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:

> Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat
> him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?

Tell us more.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 03:19:19 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re.? Cast iron welding
?
What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys?? I have always heard that it takes a?trained technician?using special equipment and rod to do a superlative job.
??A few years ago ( before 9/11 )?I hauled a huge head to a shop in California??that did nothing but cast iron repairs.? it was expensive but beautifully done and worked well for as long as I had the engine.? I wanted to watch but was not permitted to do so.
?? Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question:? Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.? Would it be archived somewhere and still available?

From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep  1 05:02:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:02:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W297A3C6F45D6D651A16C20B4F10@phx.gbl>


Bill;

Cast Iron welding is not a tuff task, really.

the quality of the weld depends {to an extent on quality of the cast iron

your attempting to weld}

The casting needs to be very clean, the crack "VEE'd" out {almost all the way thru }

The piece pre-heated, a good quality rod used { there many} I like McKay or Lincoln.

Work at lower heat ranges, skip-weld along the break { clamp together} if need be.

Use many beads, chipping & wirebrushing the slag away COMPLETELY  between

each pass.

 

Note the Piece needs to be uniformly preheated, the hotter the better

{ to a point} not red hot, actually not even to change the color,

but close.

After welding the Piece needs to cool VERY SLOWLY , this can be buried

 in lime, sand, covered with several layers of a welding blanket, the poing is 

that the slow cooling will remove a lot of stress from the weld.

 

After its completely cooled, it can also be further stress relieved with an air needle gun.

 

Another note;  The bigger the piece { Mass}  the more the above is important,

the smaller it is the less important, also it can be welded in stages to eliminate 

the sudden heating of the part. Also it is of advantage to end-stop drill the 

cracks as well.

 

Cast iron welding is like learning to ride a bicycle, you may fall off

a time or two, but once you got, it its easy, by the way cast iron rod 

{ the good rods} weld like stainless steel, { like butter} & flow great.

 

The better the rod, the better the job as well .

 

www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

 

 

            Best of luck

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:19:19 -0700
> From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
> 
> 
> Greetings to SEL crew,
> >From Bill Young in Japan
> Re.  Cast iron welding
>  
> What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys?  I have always heard that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a superlative job.
>   A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California  that did nothing but cast iron repairs.  it was expensive but beautifully done and worked well for as long as I had the engine.  I wanted to watch but was not permitted to do so.
>    Thanks, standing by, Bill
> Another question:  Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.  Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
> _______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  1 14:51:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:51:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006301ca2b4e$62035730$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Bill:

  Curt Holland recently attended a hands on demo for welding cast iron and 
it is as Frank described, but I believe it was a new type of rod.  Chime in 
here Curt!

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California 
that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  1 15:03:58 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:03:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>

Check out this website and watch the video clips they show welding cast iron 
using their rods.

http://www.muggyweld.com/castiron.html

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California 
that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Sep  1 16:37:50 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:37:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
In-Reply-To: <8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8ABA451F81B443BC9C63E38C38C815A1@PAUL>
Message-ID: <001401ca2b5d$3814a370$a83dea50$@net.au>

It would be interesting to know successful silver soldering an exhaust
manifold would be as done on the Muggyweld site seeing that the melting
point of any silver solder would be below the operating temperature the
manifold.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, 2 September 2009 6:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING

Check out this website and watch the video clips they show welding cast iron

using their rods.

http://www.muggyweld.com/castiron.html

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING



Greetings to SEL crew,
>From Bill Young in Japan
Re. Cast iron welding

What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard 
that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a 
superlative job.
A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in California

that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully 
done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch but 
was not permitted to do so.
Thanks, standing by, Bill
Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago. 
Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Sep  1 17:32:22 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:32:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>

I have been following this closely.  fire 
fighters are back on the ground and fighting.

Here is the latest I have been able to find

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<http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/pitched-battle-underway-to-save-mt-wilson-from-fire-as-officials-cite-progress-elsewhere.html>Pitched 
battle underway to save Mt. Wilson from fire as 
officials cite progress elsewhere

September 1, 2009 |  4:24 pm

<http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a5956fa0970c-pi>
La-me-1station06_kpbeaznc


Firefighters made significant progress today in 
the Station fire, but a tense battle was underway 
this afternoon to save the communication centers atop Mt. Wilson from flames.

Officials announced this afternoon that most of 
the evacuation orders in La Ca?ada Flintridge and 
La Crescenta have been lifted. Crews were making 
good progress during the day on the fire's 
southern, northern and western fronts.

But firefighters were frantically trying to save 
the historic astronomical observatory and dozens 
of critical  TV and radio antennas from 
destruction. By 3 p.m., the fire was approaching 
closer than ever from two directions: one-half 
mile to the north and three-quarters of a mile to the west.

?We expect the fire to hit the Mt. Wilson 
facilities between 5 p.m. today and 2 a.m. 
Wednesday morning,? said Los Angeles County Fire 
Department Deputy Chief James Powers. ?Right now, 
we?re conducting controlled burns around the 
perimeter in preparation for the impending fire's 
arrival. We?re also bringing in trucks and 
special equipment to coat all of the structures 
with protective gel and foam if necessary. We do 
not plan to cover everything with a gooey mess.?

The equipment was driven in on the two-lane, 
five-mile long Mt. Wilson Road, which intersects 
Angeles Crest Highway. Access to the road was 
restricted to firefighters and law enforcement. 
Fire lined several sections of the road on both 
sides, and rocks were falling from denuded hillsides.

As he spoke from his ersatz headquarters in the 
observatory?s main office, myriad controlled 
burns set beneath canyon oaks and old incensed 
cedars cloaked the mountaintop with dense acrid smoke.

The air was also filled with the ear-splitting, 
blaring sounds of an observatory fire alarm system.

Chainsaws could be heard in every direction in 
the surrounding forest. Massive earth movers were 
being unloaded off flatbed trucks nearby. Powers 
said authorities had deliberately delayed 
diverting firefighters and equipment to the scene 
until the complex was in imminent danger.

?That time is now,? Powers said. Los Angeles 
County Fire Department Battalion Chief Steve 
Martin said, ?We are going to burn, cut, foam and 
gel. And if that doesn?t work, we?re going to 
pray. This place is worth a lot, but it?s not worth dying for. ?

In a worst-case scenario, firefighters were 
expected to retreat to the safety of the 
observatory parking lot or seek refuge in the 
concrete and steel basement of the 105-year-old, 
100-inch telescope observatory.

A Martin Mars air tanker, also known as a Super 
Scooper, dropped 7,500 gallons of water on Mt. 
Wilson, California Department of Forestry and 
Fire ProtectionCapt. Scott Visyak said.


Also, see http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

Frank


At 10:21 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
>http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm
>
>
>ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Sep  1 19:36:19 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:36:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
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>Good News

Chief Powers expressed his absolute confidence that they will save 
the Observatory. He said that while it may have appeared over the 
last day or so that the Observatory was being neglected, that they 
never lost sight of the importance of its preservation and it is now 
their highest priority. He flew up to the mountain yesterday, was 
delighted with what he found and knew they could achieve success 
here. There are now 150 fire fighters on Mount Wilson. Not only are 
the crews from Calaveras County (Cal Fire) back up there, but there 
are Los Angeles County fire fighters and even a crew from Helena, 
Montana. They have eight engines equipped to spray fire retardant on 
structures in addition to the crew engines. Chief Powers told me this 
army of fire fighters is "not going anywhere. They are very hard 
working and talented people who will get the job done."

 From

http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

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From swork at endacomm.com  Tue Sep  1 20:08:49 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:08:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
References: <572603.74866.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<006301ca2b4e$62035730$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <EE755A6C5F3F4F76B1E93D01D6D964C4@ecsserverwebs>

We always used Nickel rods for AC/DC Arc welding of cast of farm equipment. 
The rods glow like cherry's while welding, and as someone else mentioned 
"Flow like hot butter" Granted, This was nearly 30 years ago to as recent as 
10 years ago. ( I left the farm back in '98) To my knowledge not one of the 
repairs has failed in that timespan.
 As far as the equipment, We had a Lincoln 225 AC/DC and a Lincoln Portable 
of similar size Both worked MUCH Better than the MIG for cast (Even with 
specified Wire/Gas combination) And required no special prep or cooling 
methods beying the normal V-Grooving of the break.

 Best of luck !

  Steve.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING


> Bill:
>
>  Curt Holland recently attended a hands on demo for welding cast iron and
> it is as Frank described, but I believe it was a new type of rod.  Chime 
> in
> here Curt!
>
> Mike Royster
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Young" <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] CAST IRON WELDING
>
>
>
> Greetings to SEL crew,
>>From Bill Young in Japan
> Re. Cast iron welding
>
> What do we know, collectively, about welding our toys? I have always heard
> that it takes a trained technician using special equipment and rod to do a
> superlative job.
> A few years ago ( before 9/11 ) I hauled a huge head to a shop in 
> California
> that did nothing but cast iron repairs. it was expensive but beautifully
> done and worked well for as long as I had the engine. I wanted to watch 
> but
> was not permitted to do so.
> Thanks, standing by, Bill
> Another question: Suppose this topic had been discussed 5 or 10 years ago.
> Would it be archived somewhere and still available?
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 06:09:41 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:09:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
In-Reply-To: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

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From weolson at wiktel.com  Wed Sep  2 07:19:57 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:19:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W285659797A536E5B0153D1C8F00@phx.gbl>
References: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <15910387180.20090902091957@wiktel.com>

Hi Luke,

Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:09:41 AM, you wrote:


LT> Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.

LT> Luke Tonneberger

LT> Rockford, Michigan

LT> USA 


Showed up fine here.
Northern Minnesota
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep  2 07:49:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <f08c387607adb4c7dd086655bc8aa672.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No worries Tommy.  With that lovely Miami sitting there no one noticed that you were
buck nekkid and getting sunburned.

Well, except for that one Cloistered Oyster Brother taking pictures and mumbling
"These are gonna cost Tommy a few engines, fer sure!"  8->>

On Sun, August 30, 2009 11:15 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the hotel...






From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:05:40 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:05:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <f08c387607adb4c7dd086655bc8aa672.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
	<f08c387607adb4c7dd086655bc8aa672.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W14F630FE877F361696CFC7C8F00@phx.gbl>


Oh, I think several people noticed. That farmers tan was a sight to behold!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:49:50 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> No worries Tommy. With that lovely Miami sitting there no one noticed that you were
> buck nekkid and getting sunburned.
> 
> Well, except for that one Cloistered Oyster Brother taking pictures and mumbling
> "These are gonna cost Tommy a few engines, fer sure!" 8->>
> 
> On Sun, August 30, 2009 11:15 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> > I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the hotel...
> 

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 08:06:22 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:06:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Delete Test
In-Reply-To: <15910387180.20090902091957@wiktel.com>
References: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<SNT118-W285659797A536E5B0153D1C8F00@phx.gbl> 
	<15910387180.20090902091957@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W604E07516F8E8518F6E2D9C8F00@phx.gbl>


strange, I'll have to resend.........

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:19:57 -0500
> From: weolson at wiktel.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Delete Test
> 
> Hi Luke,
> 
> Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:09:41 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> LT> Test. Sent two notes yesterday and they never showed up. Test.
> 
> LT> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> LT> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> LT> USA 
> 
> 
> Showed up fine here.
> Northern Minnesota
> -- 
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> 
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 09:01:52 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:01:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp> 
Message-ID: <SNT118-W594BE1531EF27761241E92C8F00@phx.gbl>




Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and brand new.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 

==============================
 
> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
> 


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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 09:03:09 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:03:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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I believe last year Brooky was the winner of the King Dick but Rob Skinner smooth talked her out of it with some protective Barbie Biking Gear and a picnic basket. Tim, you could have offered to trade her one of those flowery girly engines you have for the King Dick. Maybe next time Tim will have an opportunity to get a King Dick and won't be 'caught a bit short'.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA 

============================
 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:25:13 -0500
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> I only stopped bidding because she really wanted that King Dick Wrench and it seems that after you reneged on the deal I was caught a bit short.
> 
> Tim (who has no knowledge of badges from EHOWT)
> 

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 13:36:35 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>

It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger. 
http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php

I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so 
important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen 
for them selves but for the others.)

There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a 
generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add 
to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the 
equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.

This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is 
a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I 
am just adding opinion.

Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and 
involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on 
top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still 
working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in 
there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control 
panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.

Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree" 
for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel 
(perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces 
and hobbed in place!

How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask Larry

If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your 
picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin 
Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925

Here is Larry's web site.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/


Frank



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I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,
in the spectrum of this or that element.
I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep  2 15:54:49 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:54:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net><004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<SNT118-W594BE1531EF27761241E92C8F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01ca2c20$604a2d10$d0624b47@mikecomp>

That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09





Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
brand new.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==============================

> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>


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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  2 16:07:50 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:07:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com><BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl><BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl><20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net><20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there 
are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I 
guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger.
> http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php
>
> I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so
> important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen
> for them selves but for the others.)
>
> There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a
> generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add
> to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the
> equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.
>
> This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is
> a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I
> am just adding opinion.
>
> Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and
> involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on
> top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still
> working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in
> there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control
> panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.
>
> Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree"
> for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel
> (perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces
> and hobbed in place!
>
> How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask 
> Larry
>
> If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your
> picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin
> Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
> He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925
>
> Here is Larry's web site.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> I want to know how God created the world.
> I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,
> in the spectrum of this or that element.
> I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
> --Albert Einstein--
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  2 16:53:50 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>
>
>
>Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
>brand new.
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>==============================
>
>> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep  2 17:31:31 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:31:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501ca2c2d$e2cb1170$d0624b47@mikecomp>

No no no Tim, let's get your facts straight.  They were not tarps, they were 
the leftover side curtains from my brother Steve's previous pop up awning. 
After it died, he could not bear to through them away so he made good use of 
them, being a properly raised tightwad Royster.  Russell never called them 
sissy engines.  He called them girly engines!

PS:  Sorry you came up short in your quest for a King Dick.

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there 
> engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after 
> they shot oil all over them though.  What was it that Russell called 
> them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>>To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and
>>brand new.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>==============================
>>
>>> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>>>
>>
>>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  2 17:48:27 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:48:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL112-W63601182332E5697B492CF95EF0@phx.gbl>


 

Tim, The  white tarps have been washed and crisply starched and are ready for the next show. My engines might have been sissy engines but where were Russell's engines?  How much trouble could it have been for him to have brought a few over with him and if he didn't want to haul them back to Oz, well my brother and I would have been happy to take care of them! Steve

 


 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though. What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >
> >That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
> >brand new.
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >
> >==============================
> >
> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> >>
> >> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
> >>
> >
> >
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 18:13:39 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:13:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20090903011350.33544580AD@gw1.nlenet.net>

Actually it is more a campus then an observatory.  A lot of cool old 
stuff, and a lot of new research as well.

Here are a couple of sites to get a quick look
http://www.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/MWO/vir/vir.php
http://www.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/MWO/vis/selfguide.pdf

At 07:07 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:
>Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there
>are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I
>guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!
>
>Rick
>

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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Sep  2 20:01:04 2009
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:01:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20090903030731.10C5F57CB1@gw1.nlenet.net>

A nice article about Mt Wilson
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mtwilson-scientists3-2009sep03,0,308354.story

And another.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-rotello/saving-mount-wilson_b_275493.html

Good Grief,  I just referenced the LA times and the Huffington Post I 
may need counseling.

Frank

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Sep  2 20:24:40 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:24:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20090903032436.ED8AE8FC4@smtp.wcoil.com>

The NBC nightly news this evening did an large broadcast from Mt 
Wilson I thing they called it and they did talk about the antenna 
arrays but they did spend a good bit of time discussing the 
observatory actually acting concerned about it. They seemed to be 
properly concerned about it and told a small amount of history on the 
complex.    Mark



At 07:07 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:
>Around here the news media commenting on Mount Wilson only state that there
>are several antenna towers there, yet no mention of the observatory.  But I
>guess to news media people broadcast towers are what is important to them!
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
>
>
> > It appears that the Mt Wilson Observatory is out of danger.
> > http://joy.chara.gsu.edu/CHARA/fire.php
> >
> > I just want to take a little bandwidth to write why Mt willson is so
> > important to us engine people.  (Many of us have been there and seen
> > for them selves but for the others.)
> >
> > There is a Fairbanks Morse Type RE with a directly coupled to a
> > generator capable of producing 40 KW of power at 125 Volts D.C  Add
> > to that, it is still in it's original location, and surrounded by the
> > equipment it originally ran and it is truly amazing.
> >
> > This engine was restored by Ken and Larry Evans and others.  Larry is
> > a regular contributor to this list and is the expert on Mt Wilson.  I
> > am just adding opinion.
> >
> > Because the observatory was originally designed to run on DC and
> > involves many unique mechanical devices and because everything is on
> > top of a mountain, a lot of it is still there and still
> > working.  Wonderful old winches, motors that are collectors items in
> > there own right.  DC motor control panels.  DC lighting control
> > panels, and many more "Antique mechanical items.
> >
> > Further investigation shows things like a wood fixture "Wiffle Tree"
> > for lifting a 100 inch mirror.  Also a large worm and worm wheel
> > (perhaps 12 feet.) How did it get up there (It was built in pieces
> > and hobbed in place!
> >
> > How do you re coat a 100 in mirror that is on top of a mountain?   Ask
> > Larry
> >
> > If you are into the sciences and people of science you can have your
> > picture taken in the same place as Albert Einstein or Edison or Edwin
> > Hubble or Albert Abraham Michelson.
> > He worked out the speed of light on that mountain in 1925
> >
> > Here is Larry's web site.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
> >
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to know how God created the world.
> > I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,
> > in the spectrum of this or that element.
> > I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
> > --Albert Einstein--
> >
> >
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep  3 06:11:29 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink
	.net>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie

On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered
> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over
> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy
> engines.





From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  3 19:58:35 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:58:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <31734191.1252033115967.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Your right Arnie, once I cross back over the Mississippi River my mind goes back into redneck mode and I tend to forget things that were said.  I don't even recall all this stuff about a King Dick.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2009 8:11 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie
>
>On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered
>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over
>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy
>> engines.
>
>
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  3 19:59:45 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:59:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <3883101.1252033185203.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yeah, I bet you would have been happy to take care of them.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2009 7:48 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
> 
>
>Tim, The  white tarps have been washed and crisply starched and are ready for the next show. My engines might have been sissy engines but where were Russell's engines?  How much trouble could it have been for him to have brought a few over with him and if he didn't want to haul them back to Oz, well my brother and I would have been happy to take care of them! Steve
>
> 
>
>
> 
>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:53:50 -0500
>> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> 
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there engines covered up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil all over them though. What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah, sissy engines.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 5:54 PM
>> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >
>> >That must be Bumcombe County, let's ask Steve!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>> >To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:01 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Some counties even allow white tarps as long as they are crispy fresh and 
>> >brand new.
>> >
>> >Luke Tonneberger
>> >Rockford, Michigan
>> >USA
>> >
>> >==============================
>> >
>> >> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
>> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>> >>
>> >> Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >_________________________________________________________________
>> >Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on 
>> >Facebook.
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Sep  4 10:19:29 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:19:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>

Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)

Russ

PS: did you all see the manly Austral Run during the rain!!
PSS: Steve might be looking for a gender change in is collection; He was
eyeing off the Austral when he noticed the for sale sign on it!!
PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)

> Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-))  Arnie
>
> On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there
>> engines covered
>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil
>> all over
>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah,
>> sissy
>> engines.
>
>
>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Sep  4 11:13:44 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:13:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <213230614-1252088188-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356013943-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Russ, I believe the correct spelling is "mamanem." ;-)

-Tony


-----Original message-----
PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Sep  4 12:14:19 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 05:14:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
Message-ID: <E0C93F19D56648D5AA0CFBE52FD283B7@peterlowe>

Hi All
It is 5am and pouring rain and just heading off to the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville, NSW,
Radar looks clear south of Coffs Harbour so fingers crossed.
It is a 2 1/2 hours drive in the dry so a little longer in the wet with the car trailer on and the Austral, more on that later.
Hope to get some good pics to show you all.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Sep  4 12:36:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:36:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <E0C93F19D56648D5AA0CFBE52FD283B7@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <259B6B4EB4554BFE87D2DF9DB8F6C981@tommyd0x52gkco>

Peter,
	Re-send me the photo of the ignitor you need.  Its on a computer
in the shop so I can't access it.  I found who had the ignitor we talked
about and the gent is waiting for me to tell him if we want it or not.
Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Oldengine.org; ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally


Hi All
It is 5am and pouring rain and just heading off to the Rusty Iron Rally
at Macksville, NSW, Radar looks clear south of Coffs Harbour so fingers
crossed. It is a 2 1/2 hours drive in the dry so a little longer in the
wet with the car trailer on and the Austral, more on that later. Hope to
get some good pics to show you all.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep  4 14:17:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:17:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <3a6e8f5083d2c2cca13de6384a822be8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  By Jove!  I think he's got it!  Bless his heart!

On Fri, September 4, 2009 1:19 pm, russell gilbert wrote:
> Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
> that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
> engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
> and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Sep  4 14:44:39 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:44:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <5428938.1251935630824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><cffa644df72a874f3481c14460b20300.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<44446.98.154.230.213.1252084769.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <005901ca2da8$e85ff980$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Russ:

  Mamanem are fine as froghair.  Been emailing with your dad, telling him 
about you et-a-cat lessons we gave you at Portland and he was plum proud you 
was gettin sum learnin.  Bout the time you get that Southern charm working 
you will be in the heart of New York city, bless your heart!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "russell gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Hey looks like I have been missing a little of the SEL, Firstly let me say
> that an engine show would not be as good as it is without both girlie
> engines and real engines!! And you guys should not be so unfair on Steve
> and his sissy white tarps; Bless his heart. :)
>
> Russ
>
> PS: did you all see the manly Austral Run during the rain!!
> PSS: Steve might be looking for a gender change in is collection; He was
> eyeing off the Austral when he noticed the for sale sign on it!!
> PSS: Mike, hows your mama anem!  (I'm still practicing)
>
>> Tim,  I think Russ' exact expression was "girlie engines...".  8-)) 
>> Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, September 2, 2009 7:53 pm, Tim Christoff wrote:
>>> They must also allow them in Jay County as them Royster's had there
>>> engines covered
>>> up with pretty white tarps, well they weren't pretty after they shot oil
>>> all over
>>> them though.  What was it that Russell called them.......hm......O yeah,
>>> sissy
>>> engines.
>>
>>
>>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Sep  4 15:06:43 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:06:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi everyone,
         11:45 pm here.
         I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4 
engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
         The club would like more but they do not understand how much work 
is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning 
and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
         Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag 
along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey Engine 
guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show 
- that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it - 
then enjoy the show!!!
         They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in 
preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a 
lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to 
the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander 
off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant 
attendance to our engines.
         Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From sumron at southernphone.com.au  Fri Sep  4 15:27:54 2009
From: sumron at southernphone.com.au (sumron)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:27:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND 09
Message-ID: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all that were lucky enough to be at Portland, 

Certainly looks like Russell made us in OZ , PROUD, as he sure seems to have left his mark, ( re, girlie engines)  and I just know he cant get home quick enough to have a REAL BEER .
I take no responsibility for his ( if any ) bad behaviour, blame his mother for that ,

cheers all, John



John and  Norma Gilbert
RSD 370 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Sep  4 15:31:05 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:31:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <4AA19529.2060602@rustic-engines.com>

Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.

:-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>          11:45 pm here.
>          I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4 
> engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
>          The club would like more but they do not understand how much work 
> is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning 
> and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
>          Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag 
> along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey Engine 
> guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show 
> - that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it - 
> then enjoy the show!!!
>          They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in 
> preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a 
> lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to 
> the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander 
> off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant 
> attendance to our engines.
>          Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  
>
>
>   


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Sep  4 19:26:09 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:26:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
Message-ID: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>

A while back I was running an engine in the garage and some dude and  
his kid wandered up.  I had never seen them before, but they seemed  
nice, so I gave them the tour.  The dad said the engine reminded him  
of a game that he bought for his son, "Crazy Machines."  It sounded  
fun, but not so fun that I bothered to go out and buy it.  After all,  
if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me  
for a couple months.

Fast forward to last week:  I noticed an app called "Crazy Machines"  
at the iTune Store.  For $2.99, I couldn't resist.  Well... that's  
what I've been doing for the past week when I have a few minutes to  
kill.  It's pretty cool, and a steal for the price.

The premise is that you are supposed to complete a task using a  
variety of devices you have at your disposal.  Devices can be boards,  
bricks, levers, balls, flashlight, candle, torch, steam engine,  
pulleys, belts, wires, etc.  The finished system is a Rube Goldberg  
contraption.  You push the "start" button, and then you see if your  
contraption actually works.

I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also  
available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.

http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone

http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com







From rotigel at me.com  Fri Sep  4 19:27:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:27:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AC5BD71C-48D9-414F-8FA5-51E58561C8F7@me.com>

>  Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans

ONLY with the FATG!
	Dave


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Sep  4 19:53:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:53:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
In-Reply-To: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C0F3F0FBF4BF4F78B41D4254EF91B75A@larue10ijlvccx>

Rob,
	My son is the Nintendo wiz.  I'll have to get this for him

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:26 PM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads

A while back I was running an engine in the garage and some dude and  
his kid wandered up.  I had never seen them before, but they seemed  
nice, so I gave them the tour.  The dad said the engine reminded him  
of a game that he bought for his son, "Crazy Machines."  It sounded  
fun, but not so fun that I bothered to go out and buy it.  After all,  
if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me  
for a couple months.

Fast forward to last week:  I noticed an app called "Crazy Machines"  
at the iTune Store.  For $2.99, I couldn't resist.  Well... that's  
what I've been doing for the past week when I have a few minutes to  
kill.  It's pretty cool, and a steal for the price.

The premise is that you are supposed to complete a task using a  
variety of devices you have at your disposal.  Devices can be boards,  
bricks, levers, balls, flashlight, candle, torch, steam engine,  
pulleys, belts, wires, etc.  The finished system is a Rube Goldberg  
contraption.  You push the "start" button, and then you see if your  
contraption actually works.

I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also  
available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.

http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone

http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Sep  5 03:35:03 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:35:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads
References: <74E42D82-6944-4123-A3B0-A5CBC3CE9368@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <002401ca2e14$88959b10$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks for the DS tip. I'll look into getting it for my son--it may help him 
understand me better!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gearheads with kids, or immature gearheads


> I think the recommended age is 3+.  Besides the iPhone, it's also
> available for Nintendo DS, PC and Mac.
>
> http://www.crazymachines-game.com for Nintento and iPhone
>
> http://www.crazymachinesgame.com for PC and Mac
>
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
>



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Sep  5 03:41:09 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:41:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>

 Here is something else to consider. Ever wonder how much work goes into 
having working demonstrations at a show? By the time we get the grain binder 
out, canvases on, cut a load of wheat, load it up, take the canvases back 
off the binder and put it away, unload the wheat in a barn, load it back up 
at show time, run it through the equipment, and bring back home the grain 
and the bales of straw, quite a few man hours have been accumulated. All of 
that for only a few minutes demonstrations.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.


> Hi everyone,
>         11:45 pm here.
>         I'm all loaded and ready to go at 7:00am tomorrow. Only taking 4
> engines this time - that's what fits onto my pickup.
>         The club would like more but they do not understand how much work
> is necessary to take engines to a show. Not only the preparation, cleaning
> and loading, but also the attention needed at the show.
>         Our club is actually a "car club" and us engine guys just tag
> along. Unfortunately, when it comes to our show everyone says - "hey 
> Engine
> guys" lets break the record this year. Most of them take 1 car to the show
> - that's great - spend a week cleaning it - get to the show and park it -
> then enjoy the show!!!
>         They do not seem to realise how much work is involved in
> preparing, loading and transporting stationary engines. We need to spend a
> lot more time preparing our engines, then loading them and getting them to
> the venue. Unlike the "car guys" who just park their cars and then wander
> off and enjoy the rest of the show, us engine guys have to be in constant
> attendance to our engines.
>         Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep  5 05:35:04 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:35:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
Message-ID: <7D72588E50BE4208A63D9E119AED65B3@peterlowe>

Hi all

Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris
Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm

Peter, Oz

From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep  5 06:47:36 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:47:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090904234415.020f9480@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002e01ca2e15$6253f220$dad14c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com>

Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 06:59:42 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:59:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
In-Reply-To: <7D72588E50BE4208A63D9E119AED65B3@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <090520091359.25727.4AA26ECE000CB11D0000647F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Congratulations to our mate Kerry...........at least now engine folks will get to see it run instead of it rusting away in someones shed.
Curt
-------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 


> Hi all 
> 
> Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris 
> Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th. 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm 
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 07:35:28 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:35:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Sep  5 08:06:57 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:06:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <be9.5b5791c8.37d3d891@aol.com>

AMEN to that one
 Stan


From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Sat Sep  5 09:26:40 2009
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:26:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kerry's New Engine
Message-ID: <2D6119D72A2D431BAA5F5A09FC3C3B45@joe5599c86d812>

Congrats on the new engine Kerry.  I know where you can buy an even bigger one!

Joe

From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 10:24:03 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:24:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <D77B98C0-7A4E-4C74-98EC-2CA26901D9D1@rustyiron.com><791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <1321460408-1252171608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-757413601-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I've never owned a pristine show winner and honestly don't care to.  Same way with the engines.  If it's so pretty that you're afraid to touch it or drive it, what's the point?

Cars were made to be DRIVEN.  In my opinion, people who own those flashy trailer queens are more about showing off than participating in and enjoying a hobby.

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>

Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:35:28 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Sep  5 10:38:32 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:38:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
Message-ID: <d54.5a3b2556.37d3fc18@aol.com>

Hey Tony--
  100%  correct!   Why take out the  pleasure of just letting them DO THEIR 
JOB!   (engines etc)-!   They are  built to RUN and --- we even use them to 
keep time to  music!  We have 1 old 8hp Stover that keeps a PERFECT beat 
for our old  polka band ----lol----   we even put a mic in front of 
it----sounds  like PERFECT bass !   ( oh well,  don't mean to get off-the-wall  too 
much)   but it's TRUE!!!!
 Stan Zettner
 Pleasanton, Tx


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 11:48:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:48:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active in the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early '70's.  I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into the club and then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys) to serious judging shows.

Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the Plutocrats some with it.

Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 10:45:34 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <1321460408-1252171608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-757413601-@bda819.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <5ECE2DDAE503433880DC8AC17C80603C@DBTOA000>

I agree for the most part with your comments Tony.  I always drove mine,
to parades, with the wife and kids to eat, etc.  The ones I have left
are not show cars and I'd rather have a brush painted clunker than a
high gloss one.  But, everyone has their own preference and if someone
wants to make their old engine look like a piece of glass with a high
gloss shine, that's OK with me.  I might not like it that way for myself
but I admire their painstaking work and effort.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
kimmell at verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

I've never owned a pristine show winner and honestly don't care to.
Same way with the engines.  If it's so pretty that you're afraid to
touch it or drive it, what's the point?

Cars were made to be DRIVEN.  In my opinion, people who own those flashy
trailer queens are more about showing off than participating in and
enjoying a hobby.

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>

Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:35:28 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Rob,
	I've been in the old car clubs, have owned at least 3 National
Senior prize winners (primarily restored by others not me) and have done
the whole car show thing.  I agree, there's nothing like engines for fun
and the folks that play with them.  

	There are some great car folks out there and I'm not trying to
paint all with a brush (you know, one attorney is bad so they all must
be, etc).  But generally car folks view the world a bit differently than
the engine folks.  A little more aloof, will more quickly put down what
you have vs. what they have, will not try to point out the good in a
piece of iron (cars in this case) but will tend to point out the flaws,
etc.  I saw a couple of guys almost come to blows at a car show once and
it had to do with the lug nuts on a vehicle and one said they should be
cadmium plated and the other said they should be nickel plated.... You
would have thought the balance of world power rested with the outcome.

	Engine folks look at the beauty of a piece of iron, how it
works, runs and especially the love someone took with bringing it back
to life.  I don't care if its an LA IHC, a shoebox FM or what, if you
can tell the person is really enjoying their hunk of iron I want to look
at it and have a chat with them.

	I still have a few old cars.  I let them sit a lot though and
play with the iron that has flywheels.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:48 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than  
cars:  we actually DO something.

As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines  
as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the  
best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground  
it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from  
the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the  
majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.

Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,  
and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





Jerry wrote:

>>    Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
>>



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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:40:09 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:40:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0909051240t6e43c528s88d32092366d6668@mail.gmail.com>

Elden:

Now THAT looks like a ton of fun!

Paul in California


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Sep  5 13:10:55 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:10:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca2e64$f9d71470$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Love it!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.


> Tommy:
>
> I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active in 
> the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early '70's. 
> I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into the club and 
> then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys) to serious 
> judging shows.
>
> Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster 
> out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the Plutocrats 
> some with it.
>
> Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie 
> here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep  5 13:39:09 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 06:39:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral has new owner
References: <090520091359.25727.4AA26ECE000CB11D0000647F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B507FFDED3054AFF9D7B8655B4EDFDBB@peterlowe>

Oh ha ha ha ha Mr Andree who can only play engines six months of the year 
because he is afraid of the cold. :-)))
Pete




> Congratulations to our mate Kerry...........at least now engine folks will 
> get to see it run instead of it rusting away in someones shed.
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" 
> <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Here are some pics of my Austral and its new owner, Kerry Morris
>> Pics taken at Rusty Iron Rally 2009 today, Saturday September 5th.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>>
>> Peter, Oz




From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep  5 13:55:13 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:55:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <791558EF43F64CF1852BFAB847C032A1@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <85AB30BD-6C87-4989-B77F-05ADECC2F3F5@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob,
> 	I've been in the old car clubs


Holy Moly, Tommy!  I totally misjudged you.

But everyone makes a few mistakes in their lives.  We, being  
enginemen, can surely forgive the past indiscretions of your impetuous  
youth, and allow you to sit with us under our EZ-Ups.

Rob






From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 16:40:50 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:40:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5ECE2DDAE503433880DC8AC17C80603C@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

I agree with you about the "over restored" engines and cars.  They're nice eye candy but I -really- appreciate a runner and a driver.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:46 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
> 
> 
> I agree for the most part with your comments 
> Tony.  I always drove mine,
> to parades, with the wife and kids to eat, etc.  
> The ones I have left
> are not show cars and I'd rather have a brush 
> painted clunker than a
> high gloss one.  But, everyone has their own 
> preference and if someone
> wants to make their old engine look like a piece 
> of glass with a high
> gloss shine, that's OK with me.  I might not like 
> it that way for myself
> but I admire their painstaking work and effort.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 16:47:03 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:47:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0909051240t6e43c528s88d32092366d6668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

It really was a lot of fun ........ back when gas was under a buck and I was younger.  The video with the Blonde in it (she was a co-worker at WAVE-TV where I worked at the time) was pretty tame.  A few years later, a guy from the same station decided he had to do a piece about it and this time the ride was a bit wilder.

You can read a description of Belchfire IV on my webpage below my signature or see the more adventurous piece by going to my little piece of YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/enginecoot

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of P. Johns
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 02:40 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
> 
> 
> Elden:
> 
> Now THAT looks like a ton of fun!
> 
> Paul in California




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 16:25:31 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:25:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <87F0E2B561A64DC2806BDEFA46605097@DBTOA000>

Elden,
	Boy you're bringing back some memories with Livingston Gilbert
anchoring that news program.  Believe it or not, I saw Mellisa Forsythe
about a year ago and she has aged very little.... I kid you not!  Still
a lovely and very pleasant lady.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Tommy:

I'm sorta with you.  I've owned antique cars in the past and was active
in the Kyana Region of the AACA for a few years in the '60's and early
'70's.  I finally got tired of the Plutocrats elbowing their way into
the club and then changing the focus from having fun (tours and rallys)
to serious judging shows.

Right after I got out of the Air Force in '64, I made a giant speedster
out of a junk American LaFrance fire engine and terrorized the
Plutocrats some with it.

Didja ever wonder why someone would name a car "Belchfire IV"?  Lookie
here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7561URqESBQ

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 16:27:43 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:27:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <85AB30BD-6C87-4989-B77F-05ADECC2F3F5@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5565D635634444B38F81BE652D1914BE@DBTOA000>

Thanks Rob.  Yes, I've been rehabilitated!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rob,
> 	I've been in the old car clubs


Holy Moly, Tommy!  I totally misjudged you.

But everyone makes a few mistakes in their lives.  We, being  
enginemen, can surely forgive the past indiscretions of your impetuous  
youth, and allow you to sit with us under our EZ-Ups.

Rob





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 17:22:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:22:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEBPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>

I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
#:

200377542152


Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY







From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep  5 20:12:10 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:12:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Just a little off topic..........RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <87F0E2B561A64DC2806BDEFA46605097@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Yes, I worked with "Gil" during my time at WAVE.  Later, when I had moved to WHAS (before going fulltime with my design company), Melissa "Missy" Forsythe got fired from WAVE because she was "too old".  She immediately was offered a job at WHAS, took it, filed suit against WAVE for age discrimination and won.

A few years later, she left WHAS - I thibnk, to get married and I haven't seen her since.  She was a really talented lady and very easy to work with.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 06:26 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE: Our annual show.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 	Boy you're bringing back some memories with 
> Livingston Gilbert
> anchoring that news program.  Believe it or not, 
> I saw Mellisa Forsythe
> about a year ago and she has aged very little.... 
> I kid you not!  Still
> a lovely and very pleasant lady.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Sep  5 21:10:49 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:10:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Just a little off topic..........RE:  Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E04D9A21081C4BE88CCDD54804295F9A@DBTOA000>

Elden,
	I think I saw her at a Special Olympics function or something
similar.  If you were at WHAS you probably worked with Mort Crim and the
gang.  Boy, for a station their size they really had some talent in
those days.  I remember us having engines at one of our local festivals
in the mid '70's and they did a story on them.  The good old days!!

Tommy





Tommy:

Yes, I worked with "Gil" during my time at WAVE.  Later, when I had
moved to WHAS (before going fulltime with my design company), Melissa
"Missy" Forsythe got fired from WAVE because she was "too old".  She
immediately was offered a job at WHAS, took it, filed suit against WAVE
for age discrimination and won.

A few years later, she left WHAS - I thibnk, to get married and I
haven't seen her since.  She was a really talented lady and very easy to
work with.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Sep  6 03:33:21 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:33:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???
Message-ID: <D1DC4F45EAA54CD39CA6B3B6CCBA917F@peterlowe>

Hi all
Just watching this item finish:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130327368383&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true

The time counter counted down live and the bid amounts updated automatically each time someone made a bid, is this a new feature with Ebay, rather than the old static page.??

Peter, Oz

From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Sep  6 04:57:57 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:57:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
Message-ID: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>

Hello there all in Engineland.
I guess this request applies to my Australian mates, but you never know where things might be found.

Does anyone out there have a workshop manual and/or a users handbook for the little Australian built Mordiesel engine?

Any info or advice appreciated as always.

Teddee

From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Sep  6 04:58:11 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 07:58:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
References: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <00c501ca2ee9$4fb46300$5cea4c0c@D48VHZ61>

 According to the seller there are only 12 of them known to exist. Not all 
tractor collectors are so boring as to be content with a Farmall M or a John 
Deere A. It may be an ugly duckling but to those who know what they are 
looking at, it would be an attention getter. Also I believe it had some 
features not found on any other models that allowed the front end to be 
configured differently. That alone is a conversation piece. Also look at the 
name, Avery. They were building huge steamers and big gas tractors just 20 
years prior to when this one is built. To me that downsizing is an important 
step in agricultural history.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay


>I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
> I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
> when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
> noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
> tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
> valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
> #:
>
> 200377542152
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 05:16:57 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:16:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep  6 05:19:46 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:19:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <00c501ca2ee9$4fb46300$5cea4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <C0B425570DEF4C89A4110104620107DA@DBTOA000>

Thanks John.  I noticed the front end looked real strange and the
ability to reconfigure it for the operation needed would be unique.  I
had never thought about the significance of the historical progression
of Avery.  Pretty neat to consider all those changes in a short period
of time.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:58 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay

 According to the seller there are only 12 of them known to exist. Not
all 
tractor collectors are so boring as to be content with a Farmall M or a
John 
Deere A. It may be an ugly duckling but to those who know what they are 
looking at, it would be an attention getter. Also I believe it had some 
features not found on any other models that allowed the front end to be 
configured differently. That alone is a conversation piece. Also look at
the 
name, Avery. They were building huge steamers and big gas tractors just
20 
years prior to when this one is built. To me that downsizing is an
important 
step in agricultural history.

John Hall




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep  6 06:55:57 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:55:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ca2ef9$c33d2860$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Great shots Patrick, thanks for sharing with us!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From obise at moscow.com  Sun Sep  6 07:08:26 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 07:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC8B07B0C3004C10A423E65567D18533@CathyComp>

Thank you for posting the pix, Patrick.  As always your photos are superb
and your thumbnails are sized perfectly for those of us on slow hooks to the
Net.

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
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So many projects.  So little time.   
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:17 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics

Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep  6 07:21:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:21:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
Message-ID: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>

A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big 
Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some acquaintance 
who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to 
come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family was 
asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know 
old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty 
good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see about 
starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor 
adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 40 years.  
It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
 
The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When 
I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West 
Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year to  inquire about 
buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after the family 
brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told 
it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes, 
never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
 
Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.  
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg) 
 
It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that 
 will never happen.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Sep  6 07:28:06 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:28:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay
References: <75496B470FE549ADB7D873BA176A8423@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <002101ca2efe$4078cd30$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Tommy,
   I will find out later today, but I believe I know the people that 
purchased the Avery.  In answer to your questions--why purchase it and why 
such a large dollar amount---They wanted it because their father had had one 
like it and sold it a few years ago and the people that bought the one from 
their deceased father will not sell it and secondly as in any auction it 
takes two people to want something and you have an aution and if those have 
large means and are foolish the item can go to an almost unlimited heights. 
George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tractor on Ebay


>I don't know a thing about tractors except how to hop on them and drive.
> I guess I'm not real fond of the old tractors as I spent too many hours
> when I was growing up on C, H and M Farmalls and 8N Fords.  But, I
> noticed this tractor on ebay and have been following it.  Are there any
> tractor guys on the SEL that can tell my why this tractor is so
> valuable?  Just because there are only a handful maybe?  Its ebay item
> #:
>
> 200377542152
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep  6 08:39:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:39:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201ca2f08$47839510$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Good story, great pics!  Thanks Tom.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul


>A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big
> Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some 
> acquaintance
> who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to
> come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family 
> was
> asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know
> old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty
> good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see 
> about
> starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor
> adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 40 
> years.
> It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
>
> The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When
> I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West
> Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year to  inquire 
> about
> buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after the 
> family
> brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told
> it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes,
> never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
>
> Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
> Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg)
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg)
>
> It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but 
> that
> will never happen.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 13:46:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:46:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.
>:-P
>Cheers,
>Al Harris

Hey Al,
         Don't you have tractors there ?  :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 13:54:45 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:54:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906225005.0246a6c8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
<snip>
(nuther snip>.
After all,
>if it's fun for a five year old, I would probably only challenge me
>for a couple months.

I love that Rob - well said. :-)
Jerry



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep  6 14:07:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:07:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906225624.02468810@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:27:31 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>

(snip all the "blah" bits>
> >  Do you stationary engine collectors have the same problems??
> >> Jerry Evans
>
>ONLY with the FATG!
>         Dave

Thanks Dave,
         You have just confirmed that we are both cranky old buggers (sorry 
Guys I cannot remember how to spell "bastards") so everyone else "just 
leave us alone" - this is our hobby and we love it". Maytags and all :-)
Jerry 



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Sep  6 14:20:10 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:20:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906224234.02449e60@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <4AA4278A.6040604@rustic-engines.com>

Sure Jerry, but you don't hear them as much.

They're usually away in a paddock somewhere pulling away.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jerry Evans wrote:
>> From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>
>> Nah. It's usually the "car" blokes that winge.
>> :-P
>> Cheers,
>> Al Harris
>>     
>
> Hey Al,
>          Don't you have tractors there ?  :-)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
>
>   


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 15:30:19 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:30:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
Message-ID: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Home and starting to recover from a big weekend. We left home on Friday
morning and were in Macksville in 6 hours which was not too bad given all
the road work on the highway and the general poor condition of the road (I
think I lost my kidneys at one point).
The YC Stover was soon on the ground and covered for the night. The Mid
North Coast Club put on an excellent dinner on Friday night in their club
shed with plenty of food and the large number of people were fed quickly.
The Saturday night dinner was at a new venue and it was very good. Plenty of
good quality food served quickly (I went back for seconds but could not fit
thirds and dessert). The 'official' part of the evening was over quickly and
we were back at our Motel by 9pm.
Saturday the Stover started first pull and ran for 6.5 hours without missing
a beat. Sunday it also started first pull and ran until it used up all its
fuel (about 1230) which was perfect timing as that was my shut down time to
load for the trip home.
The weather was perfect all weekend which resulted in a big turnout of
exhibitors and a huge crowd through the gate. There were lots of very nice
engines both beautifully restored and in their 'working clothes'.
Another great Rusty Iron Rally so now I can hardly wait until next year and
our own rally at Clarendon in two weeks!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  6 15:55:36 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:25:36 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6CA751B.25E3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W157F0ABB86CFB845AC55319DEC0@phx.gbl>


great pics patrick and sounds like it was another excellent macksville rally, being that i am a big cooper/stover fan and that the theme for the rally was cooper/stover, going by your pics there didnt seem to be many there? bit dissapointing as i was hoping to see lots of pics of different cooper/stover engines, i thought there would have been heaps of them there?

    cheers

        mick
 
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:30:19 +1000
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
> 
> Home and starting to recover from a big weekend. We left home on Friday
> morning and were in Macksville in 6 hours which was not too bad given all
> the road work on the highway and the general poor condition of the road (I
> think I lost my kidneys at one point).
> The YC Stover was soon on the ground and covered for the night. The Mid
> North Coast Club put on an excellent dinner on Friday night in their club
> shed with plenty of food and the large number of people were fed quickly.
> The Saturday night dinner was at a new venue and it was very good. Plenty of
> good quality food served quickly (I went back for seconds but could not fit
> thirds and dessert). The 'official' part of the evening was over quickly and
> we were back at our Motel by 9pm.
> Saturday the Stover started first pull and ran for 6.5 hours without missing
> a beat. Sunday it also started first pull and ran until it used up all its
> fuel (about 1230) which was perfect timing as that was my shut down time to
> load for the trip home.
> The weather was perfect all weekend which resulted in a big turnout of
> exhibitors and a huge crowd through the gate. There were lots of very nice
> engines both beautifully restored and in their 'working clothes'.
> Another great Rusty Iron Rally so now I can hardly wait until next year and
> our own rally at Clarendon in two weeks!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 16:54:14 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:54:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W157F0ABB86CFB845AC55319DEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6CA88C6.25EF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I was surprised that there were not more Cooper/Stover engines at the rally.
There was the usual smattering of XDs and Little Wonders but only a couple
of Ws and only the one earlier engine. In fact the biggest and oldest Stover
at the rally was my YC!
There were a lot more Cooper/Stover engines at Young when it was the feature
there.
Apart from the feature engine being a little thin on the ground there were
some nice engines and it was a great weekend.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  6 18:12:57 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:12:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>


I am at my wits? end on a mechanical problem.  I know someone here has the knowledge to
point me in the right direction.

 

I have a bicycle rack that mounts in a receiver hitch.  It fastens using a bolt that goes where the
hitch pin normally goes, but with a twist. 
It is threaded on the head end, but reduced in diameter on the opposite
end.  The rack is 1 ? ??, the receiver is
2?.  There is an adapter sleeve that fits
in the receiver, surrounding the rack on three sides.  The bolt goes in on the
side where the 1 ? ?? stock is next to the inside of the receiver, thence through the adapter sleeve, and out the other
side.  That end of the bolt, as
mentioned, is reduced in diameter and drilled for a linch pin to serve as a
safety device, so if the bolt should come loose it can?t fall completely
out.  The inner wall of the 1 ? ?? stock
is threaded.

 

I removed the rack from the receiver to replace the adapter
sleeve, as it had become worn  and
allowed too much movement of the rack. 
Somehow in the reinstallation, the the bolt hung up and apparently
cross-threaded ? at any rate, it will not go in, will not come out.  I have tried driving the small end, and a
pickle fork and a three pounder on the head end.  I tried an impact wrench in conjunction with
the pickle fork  I can make no
progress.  We are fixin? to go on the
road again in a week, and I can?t take off without resolving this.  If it comes to it, I will saw it off, or find
someone with a cutting torch and cut it off. 
Who has a better idea?

 

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep  6 18:49:30 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:49:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090907014924.2FD408DC3@smtp.wcoil.com>


Hate to say it, but I liked it better before they painted it. Still a 
great engine.   Mark


At 10:21 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:
>A couple of years ago I mentioned that I had been tracking  leads of a big
>Mogul in a barn.  I finally found it by a phone call  from some acquaintance
>who ended up buying it as it was an old family  engine.  They wanted me to
>come look it over and give my opinion if it was  worth what their family was
>asking for it.  The brothers are mechanically  inclined, but did not know
>old engines.  They have worked on it for 2  years now and had it in pretty
>good condition.  Yesterday a friend and I  headed to their place to see about
>starting it.  After some tinkering  with the ignitor, timing, and minor
>adjustments here and there, we had it  running for the first time in 
>40 years.
>It is a 12 hp, on original steel,  shed kept and in nice condition.
>
>The family had asked $3000 for it from the relatives that bought  it. When
>I asked how they arrived at $3000, they told me of a man  from West
>Virginia, (the engine is in Virginia), who came 2 times a year 
>to  inquire about
>buying it and he was the one who was offering $3000. Sometime  after 
>the family
>brothers bought it, the man from West Virginia came calling and  was told
>it was gone and sold.  They said you could see the madness in  his eyes,
>never spoke a word, and drove off.  Wonder why?
>
>Photo 1 is when I first saw the engine in the shed.
>Photo 6 and 7 are of it running.
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul1.jpg)
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul6.jpg)
>
>_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg_
>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mogul7.jpg)
>
>It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that
>  will never happen.
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Sep  6 19:04:50 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:04:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???
In-Reply-To: <D1DC4F45EAA54CD39CA6B3B6CCBA917F@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <E33F4DE262CB4FDCA2C6D59E241897CB@sheeba>

Pretty cool, eh? Noted that tonight, too - no more manually refreshing in
the last minutes.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:33 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Ebay live count down ???

Hi all
Just watching this item finish:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130327368383&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true

The time counter counted down live and the bid amounts updated automatically
each time someone made a bid, is this a new feature with Ebay, rather than
the old static page.??

Peter, Oz
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Sep  6 21:38:10 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:38:10 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Chamberlains in the US
Message-ID: <00dc01ca2f75$012b8970$03829c50$@net.au>

Friend of mine in Hemet California yesterday came across the 5 Chamberlain
tractors that are crossing the US. He stopped them and had a chat and took
some pics. The pics are too big to put on the list so if anyone is
interested email me at plb at iinet.net.au and I'm happy to forward them on.

Ray Freeman

Perth W.Australia



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 00:14:36 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:14:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
In-Reply-To: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>
References: <25C677DCAACC4D2D92338C012E791250@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909070014g525ba0eah91c4f70020ac9710@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/6 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Hello there all in Engineland.
> I guess this request applies to my Australian mates, but you never know where things might be found.
>
> Does anyone out there have a workshop manual and/or a users handbook for the little Australian built Mordiesel engine?
>
> Any info or advice appreciated as always.
>
> Teddee
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>

Have you seen this thread:

http://forum1.aimoo.com/The_Old_Machinery_Magazine/category/MORDIESEL-1-1028871.html

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 04:15:48 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 07:15:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
Message-ID: <d4d.4f9848e1.37d64564@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:

Hate to  say it, but I liked it better before they painted it.


Whole heartedly agree, and was sort of ill when I saw the paint job  
Saturday!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 04:21:35 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 07:21:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped?=
Message-ID: <c0e.59b75052.37d646bf@aol.com>

Long pipe on the end of socket breaker bar may move or wring it off.   
Also, how about drilling it with different size bits till it comes out. Got the  
same set up for my bike rack with the threaded bolt and lock pin.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Sep  7 06:05:11 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:05:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <d4d.4f9848e1.37d64564@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A96A58A342BA4FCF8F78DAA7C61F9932@DBTOA000>

Same thoughts here but I still wouldn't mind having it sitting in my
shed!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 
In a message dated 9/6/2009 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
frappi at wcoil.com writes:

Hate to  say it, but I liked it better before they painted it.


Whole heartedly agree, and was sort of ill when I saw the paint job  
Saturday!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Mon Sep  7 06:17:28 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>

Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!

I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a 
couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers, 
spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You 
know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".

Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors 
don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and 
allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the 
display and basically engine related.

It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world wide. 
Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... and 
coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show 
attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal, 
unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.

Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere means 
a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if 
restrictive rules are common in successful shows.

Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.

Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 06:36:00 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:36:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
Message-ID: <d61.56396975.37d66640@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/7/2009 9:28:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Jim at hardmanfamily.net writes:

Rough  & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
and  
coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show  
attendance.


Rough and Tumble ran the engine folks out a number of years ago.  Show  run 
by tractor people.  Sad, use to be a good engine show there  too.


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Sep  7 07:31:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:31:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1252166402.19610.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 16
>Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:47:36 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.

<snip>

>Is it really a problem, Jerry?  That's why engines are better than
>cars:  we actually DO something.
>
>As a case in point, about half a dozen of us brought out some engines
>as an adjunct to a high-end car show.  The cars were the best of the
>best, the kind of car where you would kneel down and kiss the ground
>it rolled over.  At one point, a buddy and I were standing back from
>the fray, observing the whole area, and it became clear that the
>majority of the people were hanging out near the engines.
>
>Advice?  Just sit back and bask in the glory of being and engineman,
>and thank dog you're not one of those car guys :-)
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>www.rustyiron.com

Hi Rob,
         GREAT ANSWER. I agree totally - us oldengine guys are the "best of 
the best" and this weekend just served to reinforce that feeling. The "car 
guys" (and there were some really beautifully restored cars there) had a 
great turnout (but I never got to pics of them) but "Engines Rule!".



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Sep  7 07:48:56 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:48:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W5144DBA0F3F989286C7EFCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA51D58.6020400@telenet.net>

Bruce Younger wrote:
> I am at my wits? end on a mechanical problem.  I know someone here
> has the knowledge to point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a bicycle rack that mounts in a receiver hitch.  It fastens
> using a bolt that goes where the hitch pin normally goes, but with a
> twist. It is threaded on the head end, but reduced in diameter on the
> opposite end.  The rack is 1 ? ??, the receiver is 2?.  There is an
> adapter sleeve that fits in the receiver, surrounding the rack on
> three sides.  The bolt goes in on the side where the 1 ? ?? stock is
> next to the inside of the receiver, thence through the adapter
> sleeve, and out the other side.  That end of the bolt, as mentioned,
> is reduced in diameter and drilled for a linch pin to serve as a 
> safety device, so if the bolt should come loose it can?t fall
> completely out.  The inner wall of the 1 ? ?? stock is threaded.
> 
> 
> 
> I removed the rack from the receiver to replace the adapter sleeve,
> as it had become worn  and allowed too much movement of the rack. 
> Somehow in the reinstallation, the the bolt hung up and apparently 
> cross-threaded ? at any rate, it will not go in, will not come out.
> I have tried driving the small end, and a pickle fork and a three
> pounder on the head end.  I tried an impact wrench in conjunction
> with the pickle fork  I can make no progress.  We are fixin? to go on
> the road again in a week, and I can?t take off without resolving
> this.  If it comes to it, I will saw it off, or find someone with a
> cutting torch and cut it off. Who has a better idea?
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Younger
> 
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
> 
> Madison, SD

Well if I understand what you have it sounds like you need some HEAT.
Heat the threaded section of steel and then use a good socket and
breaker bar on the bolt. Once out chase the threads OR bore the entire
thing out so a standard pin will fit through it.

-- 
Steve W.



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 10:41:01 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:41:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <20090903032436.ED8AE8FC4@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
	<20090902003543.CF997582A2@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902023744.3F7BE58820@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<20090902203646.B55D7582D0@gw1.nlenet.net>
	<0aeb01ca2c22$31cae090$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20090903032436.ED8AE8FC4@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0909071041u140b8139q1a6953e1334feda6@mail.gmail.com>

For good photo coverage on the Southern California fire, go to:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/wildfires_in_southern_californ.html
Yup, a Boston newspaper site.

There was a news program about the jet air tankers. They fly out of
McClellan Airfield in Sacramento. The rent on the plans - when not flying,
just on stand-by - is $30,000 per day and they carry 20,000 gallons of
retardant at a cost of $2 to $3. per gallon. When they are in the air or
loading, the costs go up.

Paul - trying to earn enough to cover my share of the tax money they will
need for all of this.


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:50:33 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:50:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
Message-ID: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>





?Long pipe on the end of socket breaker bar may move or wring it off.   

Also, how about drilling it with different size bits till it comes out. Got the  

same set up for my bike rack with the threaded bolt and lock pin.   

 

Tom  Schmutz

Concord,  Va.

germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.  The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

 ?Well if I understand what you have it sounds like you need some HEAT.

Heat the threaded section of steel and then use a good socket and

breaker bar on the bolt. Once out chase the threads OR bore the entire

thing out so a standard pin will fit through it.

 

-- 

Steve W.? Steve, I am reluctant to heat it, as I don?t know what sort of fumious stuff that might issue forth from the composite adapter, or maybe even a good fire.I have thoroughly irritated myself, though, by ruining a $20 tool on the project, and buying more that haven?t got the job done.  Anyone have a sawzall handy?

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep  7 12:38:59 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
Message-ID: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

I'm running into an odd problem.  Perhaps one of you have also encountered it and
may have a solution.

I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
fero_ah at verizon.net.  The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list emails.

But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the following message:

     "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."

This automatic email is from:  <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or if the
reply is "plain text" or "rich text".

I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his email.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
fero_ah at verizon.net





From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 14:04:45 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:04:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

You've been blacklisted!!!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected


> Folks,
>
> I'm running into an odd problem.  Perhaps one of you have also encountered 
> it and
> may have a solution.
>
> I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
> fero_ah at verizon.net.  The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list 
> emails.
>
> But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the 
> following message:
>
>     "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."
>
> This automatic email is from:  <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or 
> if the
> reply is "plain text" or "rich text".
>
> I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his 
> email.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them. 
> Thanks.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> fero_ah at verizon.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 14:14:57 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:14:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>

It's a very common problem, Arnie, addressed here in this advice forum:
http://tinyurl.com/hj8dh

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.   
> Thanks.



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep  7 15:30:54 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:30:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <5F91F1D1F12742AE9AB71A398E3766FC@KerryPC>

G'Day Jim

Shows in Oz are fairly mixed, most allow you to set up a small sales place 
alongside your display, some have separate sale areas and time eg before 
running start time but things unsold are left there and hopefully sold 
later, all usually have vendors but they only sell non engine/tractors and 
parts

Usually those with multi large things to sell leave it on their trailers 
along side the engine area and sell from there.

The rally at the weekend which I last attended about 4 years ago there was a 
major problem with the SS officers and selling, I was told that people 
stopped going, there was a change in club attitude and I saw things for sale 
in the engine area, this year was a problem for the organizers as it was the 
biggest ever and they had to set up more areas.

THANKFULLY no rally in Oz allow vehicle parking in the engine area.

Kerry




> Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!
>
> I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a
> couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers,
> spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You
> know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".
>
> Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors
> don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and
> allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the
> display and basically engine related.
>
> It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world 
> wide.
> Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
> and
> coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show
> attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal,
> unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.
>
> Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere 
> means
> a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if
> restrictive rules are common in successful shows.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.
>
> Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.
>
> 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 15:37:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:37:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090906231230.0246da48@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <55A081CC-4F58-4F0B-A7A4-4631DD9F8878@rustyiron.com>

Right on, Jerry.  At least you have the common sense to make that  
tractor presentable by pairing with some fine SA cheesecake.

Adios!
Rob



> Hi Rob,
>         GREAT ANSWER. I agree totally - us oldengine guys are the  
> "best of
> the best" and this weekend just served to reinforce that feeling.  
> The "car
> guys" (and there were some really beautifully restored cars there)  
> had a
> great turnout (but I never got to pics of them) but "Engines Rule!".



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Sep  7 15:35:07 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A7D8B9B6-EEA3-4663-939C-9A837F122654@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <DD0CFE90-3488-4995-930B-DDFA57A1BF62@rustyiron.com>

And if you're not ready to fix all your problems, perhaps I can still  
help.  Content types and subtypes include image/gif, text/plain,  
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, etc.  God only knows what is  
being sent from that silly windows computer of yours.  Send me an  
email from that account, just as you would do if you were sending it  
to the list.

Rob


On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> It's a very common problem, Arnie, addressed here in this advice  
> forum:
> http://tinyurl.com/hj8dh


> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them.
>> Thanks.


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 16:12:26 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:12:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Selling items at shows is how many exhibitors make the money they need to 
gas up the truck to get to the shows in the first place.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy


> Patrick, thank you... very much... for the Rusty Iron Rally pictures!
>
> I note that exhibitors seem to have little or nothing for sale.  Yes, a
> couple engines have "for sale" signs, but there are no magnetos, oilers,
> spark plugs, coil boxes, etc. laid out for informal trade or sale.  You
> know... unloading excess stuff... "another man's treasure".
>
> Some shows here in the states have separate flea market areas;  vendors
> don't want competition from exhibitors.  Other shows are less formal and
> allow exhibitors to sell as long as the offerings are subordinate to the
> display and basically engine related.
>
> It may be that "no sales from spaces" rules are common in shows world 
> wide.
> Rough & Tumble in Pennsylvania adopted these rules a couple years ago... 
> and
> coupled with a "no parking in spaces" rule, severely diminished show
> attendance.  Shows like Coolspring, Bernardston and Dublin are informal,
> unrestrictive and enjoy full attendance.
>
> Living here in rural Vermont has logistical problems.  Going anywhere 
> means
> a long drive.  I no longer attend truly distant shows and wonder if
> restrictive rules are common in successful shows.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.  As long as I'm not pinching ulcers.
>
> Jim    ... where the leaves are starting to turn to fall colors.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:16 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
>
>
>> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From clemsweller at etczone.com  Mon Sep  7 17:06:53 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:06:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
	<0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>

Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
feel free to let me know!  

The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.

Chuck Emsweller



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  7 17:21:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:21:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0e7701ca2ffe$d3de7290$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <COL112-W37CB2B6C27793924B7F0E95EA0@phx.gbl>


Arnie, Your  e-mails will once again work as soon as you finish( not in order) The E-HOWT 09 pictures, The Fero Compressor, and the Yank's trip to England '04, '05,'06,'07,'08,09, and everything on Nancy's Honey Doooo  List.    Yer Pal. Steve
 
> > 
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm running into an odd problem. Perhaps one of you have also encountered 
> > it and
> > may have a solution.
> >
> > I've re-subscribed to the list (twice actually) with a new email address
> > fero_ah at verizon.net. The subscribe works fine and I RECEIVE the list 
> > emails.
> >
> > But when I POST to the list (or reply to a list email), I get the 
> > following message:
> >
> > "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed."
> >
> > This automatic email is from: <sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > It doesn't matter if there is any text or not in the post or the reply or 
> > if the
> > reply is "plain text" or "rich text".
> >
> > I've emailed Spencer Yost, but historically he doesn't read or answer his 
> > email.
> >
> > If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them. 
> > Thanks.
> >
> > See ya, Arnie
> >
> > Arnie Fero
> > Pittsburgh, PA
> > fero_ah at city-net.com
> > fero_ah at verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Sep  7 17:36:30 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:36:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA5A70E.3060306@telenet.net>

Bruce Younger wrote:

> 
> Concord,  Va.
> 
> germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go
> anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the
> middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.
> The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is
> some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both
> sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

AHH, that would be a bit different than cross threaded.

In that case about the only way will be to cut the bolt off and drill it
out. Grab a grinder and load it with a cutting disc.

OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of
course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the
vehicle.......

-- 
Steve W.



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep  7 17:43:48 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:43:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
References: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
	<4AA5A70E.3060306@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <0ec301ca301d$6dd1a0c0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

If you simply head out on your next trip with the carrier fully loaded down 
the bolt will come out on its own in about 100 miles.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped


Bruce Younger wrote:

>
> Concord,  Va.
>
> germoamer at AOL.com? Hi, Tom, The bolt will turn.  It just won?t go
> anywhere!  It?s like the bolt is missing threads somewhere in the
> middle of the threaded section, and is too buggered to start again.
> The drill may have it?  I might also drill the adapter out (it is
> some sort of glass-filled composite) and hacksaw the bolt on both
> sides, INSIDE the receiver. BHY

AHH, that would be a bit different than cross threaded.

In that case about the only way will be to cut the bolt off and drill it
out. Grab a grinder and load it with a cutting disc.

OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of
course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the
vehicle.......

-- 
Steve W.

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  7 17:49:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W19E2AD7A0B49E1E57D9ECCBEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <248246.40230.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just four of them.
Bring it on over and we will have it out in a jiffy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:50 PM


.? Anyone have a sawzall handy?

Bruce Younger???

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68???

Madison, SD? 

sluggo54 at hotmail.com???



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted???
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."???

E. Hemingway


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Sep  7 18:31:05 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:31:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>

pictures!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> feel free to let me know!
>
> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 21:49:30 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:49:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Posts Being Rejected
In-Reply-To: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6ea2e46102bfa4e8632c62eb2e59287f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909072149xbdcd227h9c35cb2078132a10@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/7 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Folks,
>
> I'm running into an odd problem. ?Perhaps one of you have also encountered it and
> may have a solution.
>

Plain text is best for emails anyway, and this email is coming through
fine on your old account, so does your new ISP add anything to the
email when it handles it, and do you use the same PC to send from both
accounts?

What programme (program) do you use to send email with?  is it the
same one for both accounts, and have you verified what is actually
being transmitted?

We have used Agent for 15 years now with no problems, and have always
used plain text with no font/colour additions.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Tue Sep  8 00:34:38 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:34:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
Message-ID: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>

Thanks Peter
Yep, I am familiar wit the link to the old TOMM forum- in fact there are some pictures there that I posted of a Mordiesel running at the Diesel Anniversary Rally in Victoria last year.

I was looking for a manual, and have been privately offered a photocopy, for which I am grateful.

Thank you for your interest

Teddee. 

From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 02:47:33 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:47:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com>
	<001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <000401ca3069$63e60a00$2bb21e00$@com>

Just posted some pictures at the following link:

	www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy

The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in August.
Getting him started young!



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp

pictures!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure we
> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> feel free to let me know!
>
> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 03:33:19 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 06:33:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>	<48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop><0ea401ca3010$aa3c77e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>	<000601ca3018$461685f0$d24391d0$@com><001f01ca3024$08e54700$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<000401ca3069$63e60a00$2bb21e00$@com>
Message-ID: <001d01ca306f$c8727d90$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Good looking engine, grandson too!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in 
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure 
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 07:16:57 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:16:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <200909081016888.SM08688@[216.8.228.159]>


Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!? 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  8 07:36:04 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:36:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!? 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>
>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>
>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>> August.
>> Getting him started young!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>> pictures!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>> we
>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>
>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>>
>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 07:59:53 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:59:53 GMT
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
Message-ID: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>


Or worse yet, a DIRTY WHITE tarp
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
Sent 9/8/2009 10:36:04 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpIt's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!? I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals!?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>
>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>
>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>> August.
>> Getting him started young!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>> pictures!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>> we
>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>
>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>>
>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  8 09:49:13 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:49:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illusive Mogul
In-Reply-To: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
References: <c0a.624b4dad.37d51f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W20A397022DB47A91B57CB4C8EA0@phx.gbl>


Just having the opportunity to play with a nice big hunk of iron like that would be satisfying to me!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

================
 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> 
> 
> It was a great feeling to see it run and sure wish I could own it, but that 
> will never happen. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 

_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep  8 10:55:29 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:55:29 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1252425602.23005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908191625.019a08e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:30:54 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
>
>G'Day Jim
><Big snip>

>THANKFULLY no rally in Oz allow vehicle parking in the engine area.
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Same here - we have our engines "parked" all round the edges of 
our display area with a big open space in the middle. This is to allow guys 
to drive in and offload without difficulty but then they have to move out 
to allow the next guy access to offload, this area is usually big enough 
(at our club show at least) to allow 4 or 5 vehicles to offload at the same 
time without difficulty. Also, our area does not have to be fenced off - 
yet, and is very "informally" laid out - no lines, lanes or fences. We do 
have a "road" all around the display area and are allowed to park next to 
our engines on this "road". (Heck, all the tools, toolboxes and, most 
importantly, beer are in the truck - they've gotta be nearby).
         In spite of signs saying "Engines Only" we always have some smart 
arse people trying to take a chance and they drive into the offloading area 
and try to park - they are usually told, in no uncertain terms, where to 
go. We had a 1 problem last year which was only sorted out when a large 
"oil spitting" engine was dragged almost against his fancy car and started 
- he soon got the message when he saw the oil spots on his car. It may have 
been quite drastic but there are always people who only understand that 
kind of demonstration. He probably never came to the show this year but we 
would rather do without his kind (and very minimal entrance fee).
         I'll have pics up of our show (this last weekend) within the next 
24 hours and will post to the lists then.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep  8 11:08:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:08:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1252425602.23005.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:37:33 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Our annual show.
>
>Right on, Jerry.  At least you have the common sense to make that
>tractor presentable by pairing with some fine SA cheesecake.
>Adios!
>Rob

Howdy Rob,
         Thanks for the reply.
         "some fine SA cheesecake." you say !!! - Hey that's my daughter 
you're talking about <big grin>.
         Yes, I'm very proud of her and the fact that she is so involved in 
this hobby. She has been a committee member of our club this year (as the 
engine representative) - not too many clubs can claim such a piece of 
"cheesecake" as their engine rep. :-) (but you've got Kelley - maybe Jacqui 
is just trying to live up to her standards !!)
Keep well.

Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep  8 13:32:30 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:32:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Our annual show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090908195629.019c2390@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <83358E50-E383-4A60-97E4-B2CD11AA5BFD@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

>   "some fine SA cheesecake." you say !!!

And the words were carefully chosen, as Jaqui has been known to read  
SEL on occassion.

  
   


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 14:12:30 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:12:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <200909081016888.SM08688@[216.8.228.159]>
Message-ID: <001901ca30c9$138ba8c0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I apologize for my bad brother Steve.  Bad boy, bad bad!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp



Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
you Royster brothers and engine deals!
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>
> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>
> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> August.
> Getting him started young!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> pictures!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine is
>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>> we
>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
>> feel free to let me know!
>>
>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
>>
>> Chuck Emsweller
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 14:12:59 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:12:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that 
> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue 
> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster 
> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>
>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>
>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>> August.
>>> Getting him started young!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Royster
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine 
>>>> is
>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour 
>>>> non-stop.
>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>>> we
>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on 
>>>> one,
>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>
>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was 
>>>> $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
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From clemsweller at etczone.com  Tue Sep  8 17:10:54 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:10:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <003501ca30e2$028f7a60$07ae6f20$@com>

Mike

You referring to the radar, the blue tarps or both?

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp

Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that

> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue 
> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster

> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>
>>
>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about 
>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>
>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>
>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>> August.
>>> Getting him started young!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Royster
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine 
>>>> is
>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had her
>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little trouble
>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour 
>>>> non-stop.
>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am sure
>>>> we
>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on 
>>>> one,
>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>
>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was 
>>>> $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Sep  8 18:20:43 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:20:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
References: <33295137.1252420564217.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001e01ca30c9$24de5230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<003501ca30e2$028f7a60$07ae6f20$@com>
Message-ID: <000901ca30eb$c0ca9470$d0624b47@mikecomp>

The tarps for sure, the rest is speculation!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp


> Mike
>
> You referring to the radar, the blue tarps or both?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:13 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
> Sadly, there may be a weeeee bit of truth to that one!!!
> MR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>
>
>> It's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see 
>> that
>
>> engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue
>> tarp.  I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the 
>> Royster
>
>> compound the screen comes up all blue.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon! I've heard about
>>>you Royster brothers and engine deals!
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>>>Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
>>>>
>>>> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
>>>>
>>>> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
>>>> August.
>>>> Getting him started young!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>> Royster
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>>
>>>> pictures!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
>>>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction.  Engine
>>>>> is
>>>>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
>>>>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc.  Had 
>>>>> her
>>>>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon.  Still seems to have a little 
>>>>> trouble
>>>>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour
>>>>> non-stop.
>>>>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues.  I am 
>>>>> sure
>>>>> we
>>>>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on
>>>>> one,
>>>>> feel free to let me know!
>>>>>
>>>>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
>>>>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was
>>>>> $6,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Emsweller
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  8 21:34:55 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:34:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Conundrum/Puzzle/Stumped
Message-ID: <BAY127-W250E91AD392A4FE9D1B09CCBE90@phx.gbl>


Welp - problem mostly solved.  The *%$( thing is out of the receiver, anyway.  I drilled the composite adapter until I had enough of it out to thread a hacksaw blade through the receiver.  I am grateful the back side is as unimpeded as the front (it is on the back of my fifth wheel trailer).  I sawed the bolt off on one side, inside the receiver, as close to the rack as I could get it.  Then moved the operation to the other side of the rack and sawed the bolt again.  When I got it out, I found a rubbery plastic plug in the end of the rack that goes inside the receiver.  Molded into that plug are two square nuts, a bit smaller than the inside dimension of the square rack tubing.  One goes against each side of the tubing.  One side of this rubbery muck had gotten loose a bit, and allowed the nut on that side to turn maybe an 8th of a turn.  What happened was, the nuts got a bit "out of phase", and the loose one wedged firmly in place.

I will, when time permits, make up a wedge to go in along with all the other junk to keep the rack from wallowing about, then run a bolt completely through the entire structure, and nut it up on the outside.

My wholehearted thanks to all for suggestions and advice, both on and off list.  You are a great help.

~~~~~~~~~~~~



?OR bring it up this way and I'll use the JAWS and cut it off... Of

course you will probably need a new hitch, and maybe a new frame on the

vehicle.......

 -- 

Steve W.? I like his shifters, too.  ?If you simply head out on your next trip with the carrier fully loaded down 

the bolt will come out on its own in about 100 miles.

 Rick? ?Zackly.  That?s what?s been scaring the whee out of me!

 

 

?Just four of them.

Bring it on over and we will have it out in a jiffy.

?

Alan in Michigan? Could have used them this morning, instead of the hour
spent with a hacksaw

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  9 08:02:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:02:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
References: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
Message-ID: <COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>


All my engines are under camoflage tarps now so Google can't see them. Steve
 
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> CC: 
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:59:53 +0000
> From: clemsweller at etczone.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> 
> 
> Or worse yet, a DIRTY WHITE tarp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> Sent 9/8/2009 10:36:04 AM
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpIt's a good thing you got your radar going Chuck, I would hate to see that engine going to NC where it would have been left outside under a blue tarp. I have been told that if you do a google maps search of the Royster compound the screen comes up all blue.
> Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Chuck Emsweller <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >Sent: Sep 8, 2009 9:16 AM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >
> >
> >Thanks, but don't be planning any trips to Indiana soon!  I've heard about you Royster brothers and engine deals! 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent 9/8/2009 6:33:19 AM
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hpGood looking engine, grandson too!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:47 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >> Just posted some pictures at the following link:
> >>
> >> www.photobucket.com/chucks_waterloo_boy
> >>
> >> The others are my youngest grandson Eddie at the Greensburg show in
> >> August.
> >> Getting him started young!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster
> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:31 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >>
> >> pictures!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:06 PM
> >> Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all, picked up a 7hp waterloo boy this Saturday at auction. Engine is
> >>> complete and on a nice cart, but hadn't ran in probably 7 years or so.
> >>> Spent most of Sunday draining the old gas, cleaning lines etc. Had her
> >>> running by 2:00 Sunday afternoon. Still seems to have a little trouble
> >>> regulating the gas, but did have her running for about an hour non-stop.
> >>> Fired her again today and still having some gas feed issues. I am sure
> >>> we
> >>> will eventually get her figured out, but if anyone has any tricks on one,
> >>> feel free to let me know!
> >>>
> >>> The same auction had a complete and running 10hp Root and Vandervort.
> >>> Should have probably went for it since it's final sale price was $6,000.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Emsweller
> >>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep  9 10:19:47 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] waterloo boy 7hp
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>
References: <20090908105959.SM07064@[216.8.228.159]>
	<COL112-W34340638E4309D565616B095E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55d43cb3cb264bee585505713e3ccd3c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Me too!  All mine now look like barbeque grills.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 9, 2009 11:02 am, Steve Royster wrote:
>
> All my engines are under camoflage tarps now so Google can't see them. Steve





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 11:37:48 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:37:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mordiesel
In-Reply-To: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>
References: <23CA7F1A86F84260B3993451FCD42B66@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909091137r27884effy436e49ab7614cfe8@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/8 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Thanks Peter
> Yep, I am familiar wit the link to the old TOMM forum- in fact there are some pictures there that I posted of a Mordiesel running at the Diesel Anniversary Rally in Victoria last year.
>
> I was looking for a manual, and have been privately offered a photocopy, for which I am grateful.
>
> Thank you for your interest
>
> Teddee.

You're more than welcome, sorry we have nothing else that we could offer.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 16:37:53 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:37:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flea Market Policy
In-Reply-To: <48B33C71489C4E2AAF8965B312D38A74@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <C6CFCAF1.26A0%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Jim,
There were quite a few little bits and pieces (magnetos etc) for sale around
the engine compounds but I just do not tend to photograph them.
Exhibitors here seem to be taking a lot more pride in their displays with
less clutter around the engines although the number of display boards was
down making some engines hard to identify. All of the rallies I regularly
attend allow selling of bits and pieces in the engine pens and anyone who
has a big load to sell normally sets up nearby out of the compound.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Sep 11 16:10:45 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
Message-ID: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day all,
We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA. 
Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our 
time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we 
would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of 
the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to 
not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour 
pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of 
engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an 
engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the 
folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave 
advice along the way.

Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air 
bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We 
arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the 
5.5 hours back home. We are still  pretty buggered from the trip and 
jet lag but will not let this stop  us planing another trip.

I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-) 
and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how 
ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we 
were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)

The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the SEL

thanks again
Russell 



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 11 17:42:03 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:42:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>


Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
 
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:45 +1000
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
> 
> G'day all,
> We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA. 
> Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our 
> time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we 
> would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of 
> the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to 
> not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour 
> pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of 
> engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an 
> engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the 
> folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave 
> advice along the way.
> 
> Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air 
> bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We 
> arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the 
> 5.5 hours back home. We are still pretty buggered from the trip and 
> jet lag but will not let this stop us planing another trip.
> 
> I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-) 
> and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how 
> ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we 
> were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)
> 
> The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
> experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the SEL
> 
> thanks again
> Russell 
> 
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From george at irontrader.com  Fri Sep 11 19:18:40 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:18:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000301ca334f$58905f50$09b11df0$@com>

Russell,

Trips of a life time can come pretty easy.  You just need to join us for the
next EHOWT!

Planning on doing another EHOWT in 2011 when the Nuenen show will be in
June.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:11 PM


The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or 
experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as the
SEL

thanks again
Russell 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 07:17:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:17:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>



Hello guys;

 

Does anyone have a chart of the above ?

 

          Thanks & B, Rgds


        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 

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From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Sep 12 07:25:33 2009
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:25:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10057CD8FDAF4946B63BD61D8E0053A2@YOURA8CFD79427>

Frank, go here, you'll find it handy

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html

Dave
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To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart




Hello guys;



Does anyone have a chart of the above ?



          Thanks & B, Rgds


        Franklin S. Skinner
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 08:20:09 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:20:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <10057CD8FDAF4946B63BD61D8E0053A2@YOURA8CFD79427>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl> 
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Message-ID: <COL106-W4227747983E7CC49CA0A81B4E60@phx.gbl>


Dave;

Thanks, I had found that & had a bit of a problem with the formular

& I was really looking for more of a chart & have seen them before,

I just cant find it now.

 

          Many tks for the reply

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: shop at cccomm.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:25:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
> 
> Frank, go here, you'll find it handy
> 
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html
> 
> Dave
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> Cc: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:17 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
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> 
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> 
> Hello guys;
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a chart of the above ?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks & B, Rgds
> 
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Sep 12 08:59:47 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:59:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090912174919.02141348@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         The pics for last weekend's show are up at last:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow09/index.htm>

I hope you enjoy them. Due to the current financial situation we had a lot 
fewer exhibitors/engines than last year but a good time was still had by 
everyone.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep 12 09:18:56 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:18:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F94A4E14-E4BC-4FA4-8C0B-53812DCF82B4@rustyiron.com>

It's not the sort of data that can easily be displayed in a chart, but  
you can get the formulae from Machinery's Handbook.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:17 AM, frank skinner wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a chart of the above ?



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 12:05:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:05:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
In-Reply-To: <F94A4E14-E4BC-4FA4-8C0B-53812DCF82B4@rustyiron.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<D9AAA95D5F8647DC9EDF70669F243B76@CathyComp>
	<COL106-W47CDED87C6410A14D9E83AB4E60@phx.gbl> 
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Cuz Rob;

Thanks, I'd had actually forgotten to look in the "Bible" 

I did finally find a very easy to use calculator.

Heres the link.

 

http://gadi.agric.za/software/renting/pulley.php

 

                B.Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:18:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pulley speed / RPM Chart
> 
> It's not the sort of data that can easily be displayed in a chart, but 
> you can get the formulae from Machinery's Handbook.
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:17 AM, frank skinner wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a chart of the above ?
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 14:32:31 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090912174919.02141348@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <108381.88484.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jerry,
Nice pictures.
Those Horse Gears were called Horse Powers here in the U.S. of A.
I have seen ads for up to an 8 Horse Power one.? 
That would be four teams attached to four arms.
Usually the tumbling rod would be right on the ground.
?
There were also Dog Powers that could also be powered by your children.
The ads said something like,,,, Your kids will love to do this.
The Dog/Goat/Kid Power was an inclined platform to "walk up" powering a belt.
They also offered larger ones like that for a single horse or mule.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Vaal Old Wheels show pics
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:59 AM


Hi Everyone,
? ? ? ???The pics for last weekend's show are up at last:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow09/index.htm>

I hope you enjoy them. Due to the current financial situation we had a lot 
fewer exhibitors/engines than last year but a good time was still had by 
everyone.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>? 

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Sep 12 15:41:51 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the 
meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral 
which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you 
got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was 
actually pretty funny)

Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time. 
Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.

At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my 
>engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get 
>some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
>



From george at irontrader.com  Sat Sep 12 16:05:54 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:05:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
	<20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>

Russell,

Then next EHOWT isn't next year, it is the year after in 2011.

Although I'd love to do a tour every year, I don't want to impose on the
collectors we visit by showing up with a group at their place every year.
We have such gracious hosts I really don't want to take advantage of them.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:42 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] USA Holiday

G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the 
meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral 
which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you 
got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was 
actually pretty funny)

Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time. 
Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.

At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my 
>engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get 
>some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
>

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Sep 12 16:42:52 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:42:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<COL112-W55D35023BD096269D5493395E60@phx.gbl>
	<20090912224144.ADA7A3B41F8@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
	<000001ca33fd$9536a7d0$bfa3f770$@com>
Message-ID: <20090912234245.56D843B4225@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

George I fully understand and you make a very important point. It can 
be a big ask to expect folk who one has never met to drop everything 
just to entertain themselves.
Russell


At 09:05 AM 13/09/2009, you wrote:
>Russell,
>
>Then next EHOWT isn't next year, it is the year after in 2011.
>
>Although I'd love to do a tour every year, I don't want to impose on the
>collectors we visit by showing up with a group at their place every year.
>We have such gracious hosts I really don't want to take advantage of them.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
>Gilbert
>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:42 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] USA Holiday
>
>G'day Steve, mate it was more to do with the shutting down in the
>meazly little bit of rain we had :-)  Unlike the mighty tuff Austral
>which just kept on chugging along; rain or shine.  Glad to hear you
>got the tarps cleaned up after the Stover spat on them (that was
>actually pretty funny)
>
>Reg thanks for adding us to the club, It want be our only Portland trip.
>George I look forward to attending a hell on wheels trip some time.
>Next year will be a little to tuff how ever.
>
>At 10:42 AM 12/09/2009, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Russel and Carmel, We enjoyed it all too, even if you did call my
> >engines girlie engines! Hey man , white tarps are the new thing. Get
> >some while you still can! Glad we got to enjoy Portland with you, Steve
> >
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 16:44:11 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
Message-ID: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his first engine.
It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
?
It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
?
It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft but we can't read much of it.
It is throttle governed.
It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire up a buzz coil.
There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark plug instead of the Wico EK?
It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
?
Pictures are here.
http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
?
Do any of you have an engine like this one?
I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to know what it is.
?
Alan in Michigan

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Sep 12 17:15:39 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:15:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <923361.64556.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7744E97A-784E-4C81-A7D3-698FDB8EA748@me.com>

Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
	Dave

On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his  
> first engine.
> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red  
> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>
> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>
> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft  
> but we can't read much of it.
> It is throttle governed.
> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire  
> up a buzz coil.
> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark  
> plug instead of the Wico EK?
> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>
> Pictures are here.
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>
> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to  
> know what it is.
>
> Alan in Michigan
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 17:43:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <7744E97A-784E-4C81-A7D3-698FDB8EA748@me.com>
Message-ID: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Dave.
?
Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take pictures showed me they 
were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper on the cam lobe.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM


Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
??? Dave

On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his? 
> first engine.
> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red? 
> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>
> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>
> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft? 
> but we can't read much of it.
> It is throttle governed.
> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire? 
> up a buzz coil.
> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark? 
> plug instead of the Wico EK?
> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>
> Pictures are here.
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>
> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to? 
> know what it is.
>
> Alan in Michigan
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Sep 12 18:31:45 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:31:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine
In-Reply-To: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AAC4B81.4010408@rustic-engines.com>

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Alan wrote:
> Thanks, Dave.
>  
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take pictures showed me they 
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper on the cam lobe.
>  
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>     Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his  
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red  
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft  
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire  
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark  
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to  
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>     
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Sep 12 20:44:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:44:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
In-Reply-To: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <184207.65554.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B6B5166D-CD51-42AF-BEE0-EFDB69AAF3A3@me.com>


On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
No, I do not know one way or the other on that. My son's is fired by a  
WICO............... Now after doing a bit of reading in their book I  
find that they did a whip w/out a mag, but rather used a battery. Then  
Gasoline for starting and kero for running--after getting the engine  
VERY HOT--WARMED to BOILING at the head.
>
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an  
> automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
I have never heard of/seen an after factory (ie Witte) conversion kit.  
If it's Witte, I would believe it was designed and put on at the  
factory. While the company "regularly furnishes" batteries for the  
engines, it "strongly recommends a BOSCH magneto  ("at a slight  
additional cost.") However, I strongly believe that the battery  
ignition would and used a whip!
>
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take  
> pictures showed me they
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper  
> on the cam lobe.
I would sure think that if Witte did it it would have been a wiper on  
the cam. If someone has one that is from the factory I would sure like  
to hear of it. Parts, in order to put it back "right'' should cost in  
the $1OO-200 range. Have fun, your friend will need help and there  
will be shimstoch making to be enjoyed!
>
>
> Alan in Michigan
	Dave
PS, If you can make out any of thr S/N numerals, amd provide the place  
holders you can mot make out I MIGHT be able to determine something,  
If you do have to guess at a mumber on the end of the ctank please  
tell me whar you think it is (as in :I dont have a fuckin idae, It's a  
S or a 5 or a 6, It's 11 or perhaps an H. From information like that I  
can sometimes figure a pretty cloce date. Ihen I can't Arnie  
says :Just tell then 1922 (if it has a Webster) and 1924 (If it's a  
WICO.)

>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>     Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Sep 12 21:23:34 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:23:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
Message-ID: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>

Hi all

Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc, will post pictures tonight our time.
I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight would be very very expensive.
The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
What to do ???

Peter, Oz


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Sep 12 22:41:07 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:41:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
In-Reply-To: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
References: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <41612F3B-480E-4881-B56B-B339241AE136@rustyiron.com>

Ebay it... or send it to your mate in Guadalahabra.





On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
> I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all  
> spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc,  
> will post pictures tonight our time.
> I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight  
> would be very very expensive.
> The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model  
> 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and  
> the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as  
> many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that  
> looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
> What to do ???
>
> Peter, Oz



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Sep 13 04:35:55 2009
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:05:55 +0930
Subject: [SEL] OT. Steam for auction in Aust.
In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG>
References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG>
Message-ID: <001801ca3466$5b6bf230$1243d690$@net.au>

http://www.norbealun.id.au/



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 04:52:32 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:52:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <C6D31A20.26DD%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Only a few days until the Sydney Rally. I hope to see a few list members
there.
We have been busily getting one of my engines ready for its first rally. It
is almost ready...

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 05:51:10 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
In-Reply-To: <B6B5166D-CD51-42AF-BEE0-EFDB69AAF3A3@me.com>
Message-ID: <415641.61398.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And again a BIG thanks Dave.
That is great info.
That book?
Is it a Witte manual Gordon could buy?
I am sure he would want one.
?
Whenever you get a chance I would love to see some pictures of your son's Witte.
Does it have an engine tag?
I?would like to see the cam gear area and what there is that provides the movement to trip the mag.
?
I am guessing your son's engine does not have the wiper.
Someone must have added parts to Gordon's Witte to trip those points.
?
If it was my engine I think I would remove the points and the rod that trips them and go with a battery, buzz coil and the wiper.
I need to find a gas tank and MAIL him the info. Mr. Wendel seems to say they were making the TG Type B engines starting in 1924.
Gordon will just be happy to know his engine was built between 1924 and 1927.
After all he bought a "Sparta Economy"?Hit-n-Miss engine,,,,?
Now he has a Witte Type B Throttle Governed engine. 8>))
He has it in writing from the previous owner that it is a Sparta.
?
Still a nice little engine for five hundred bucks.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:44 PM



On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
No, I do not know one way or the other on that. My son's is fired by a? 
WICO............... Now after doing a bit of reading in their book I? 
find that they did a whip w/out a mag, but rather used a battery. Then? 
Gasoline for starting and kero for running--after getting the engine? 
VERY HOT--WARMED to BOILING at the head.
>
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an? 
> automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
I have never heard of/seen an after factory (ie Witte) conversion kit.? 
If it's Witte, I would believe it was designed and put on at the? 
factory. While the company "regularly furnishes" batteries for the? 
engines, it "strongly recommends a BOSCH magneto? ("at a slight? 
additional cost.") However, I strongly believe that the battery? 
ignition would and used a whip!
>
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take? 
> pictures showed me they
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper? 
> on the cam lobe.
I would sure think that if Witte did it it would have been a wiper on? 
the cam. If someone has one that is from the factory I would sure like? 
to hear of it. Parts, in order to put it back "right'' should cost in? 
the $1OO-200 range. Have fun, your friend will need help and there? 
will be shimstoch making to be enjoyed!
>
>
> Alan in Michigan
??? Dave
PS, If you can make out any of thr S/N numerals, amd provide the place? 
holders you can mot make out I MIGHT be able to determine something,? 
If you do have to guess at a mumber on the end of the ctank please? 
tell me whar you think it is (as in :I dont have a fuckin idae, It's a? 
S or a 5 or a 6, It's 11 or perhaps an H. From information like that I? 
can sometimes figure a pretty cloce date. Ihen I can't Arnie? 
says :Just tell then 1922 (if it has a Webster) and 1924 (If it's a? 
WICO.)

>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>? ???Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 09:41:30 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:41:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>


 

 

Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 13 10:06:07 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
Message-ID: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1917804931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Sounds like a classic bad Magnetron coil to me.  When it dies, pull the plug wire and check for spark.

-Tony


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Sent: Sep 13, 2009 11:41 AM


 

 

Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 10:53:55 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:53:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
Message-ID: <d26.3d10b7f7.37de8bb3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/13/2009 12:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

It runs  fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and  quits.


Steve,
 
Sounds like the problem Paul Maples just had with his mower which turned  
out to be the coil.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 11:41:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <606027.96525.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is just one more?case of planned obsolesence.
Set it out by the curb now?and buy a new mower.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 12:41 PM







Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start and run? till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve

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From no1djc at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 12:15:53 2009
From: no1djc at hotmail.com (David Carter)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:15:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
In-Reply-To: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
References: <09B157757297492C97F942CC81990BDC@loungeroom>
Message-ID: <BAY113-W11E4370DB8C35F6B0D018092E50@phx.gbl>


  Peter,

     Someone on here may be able to help you out regarding the date of manufacture, or point you in the right direction:-

 

http://www.gardner-enthusiast.com/content/blogsection/13/80/

 

You will have to sign-up before you can post though.

 

Or try:-

 

http://www.gardner-enthusiast.com/content/view/104/103/

 

Regards,

    Dave Carter.

 

 

 


 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:23:34 +1000
> Subject: [SEL] Gardiner engine dating
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Are there any dating records for the big Gardiner engines?
> I have a full service tool kit in original factory wooden box, all spanners (wrenches), valve springs, test shafts, gaskets etc etc, will post pictures tonight our time.
> I guess a good home for these would be the Anson Museum but freight would be very very expensive.
> The engine number is: 115546 and another number which might be model 5L3 (hard to read) the engine is a 5 cylinder tug boat engine and the boat is now a land locked static display here. The place, as many would say, would be with the static display, but the group that looks after it is in disarray and this stuff will get lost.
> What to do ???
> 
> Peter, Oz
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 13 13:59:30 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:59:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
References: <d26.3d10b7f7.37de8bb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FE46D227004B44929A1D6CDE5167E418@PAUL>

Hello Steve,

Tom is correct. I had a 14 HP Kawasaki engine on my John Deere Lawn tractor 
and after I first started it I could drive it about 200 to 300 feet and it 
would die. However, if I let it set for about 15 - 20 minutes it would start 
right up and RUN THE REST OF THE DAY AND NEVER DIE AGAIN. I was able to 
quickly isolate the problem as being no fire and then after spending $100 on 
an electronics board that the dealership told me was the problem and it was 
not, as well as the board was non-returnable, I decided to troubleshoot the 
thing myself with the help of some guys on the Lawn & Garden Tractor list.

My problem was really the igniter which on my model was integral with the 
coil, on my model the igniter and coil was all the same. On the earlier 
models of my engine the igniter was separate from the coil and would have 
only cost me $35.00 but since mine was integral and all one piece it cost me 
$116.00. So in order to replace the bad igniter I had to replace the 
coil/igniter assembly.

I would have just suspected the coil IF it had done what you say yours is 
doing and that is run until it gets hot, quits, cools off, then runs until 
it gets hot and quits again. My engine would only stop after running about 
200 to 300 feet, let it cool off and it would start and run fine the rest of 
the day, it never would die again. So I think your problem is no doubt the 
coil.

Paul

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From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed


>
> In a message dated 9/13/2009 12:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> It runs  fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and  quits.
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Sounds like the problem Paul Maples just had with his mower which turned
> out to be the coil.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Sep 13 16:44:58 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:44:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
Message-ID: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>

I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
thanks
R Fink
PA



From jneth3 at mac.com  Sun Sep 13 14:37:46 2009
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:37:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <120161798488312181398576162263863772485-Webmail@me.com>

Richard

I brought a Bessemer engine and pumping jack from Pa to Northeastern TN.  My wife would kill me if I bought another but I am interested.  I have my fathers engines but know little about them, but I'm trying to learn.  I have no idea of value, but would love to have one that works......

John

Cell 614-284-0900

John W. Neth III

228 Old Milligan Highway
Johnson City, TN  37601
423-434-0978


or
634 Elm  St.
Groveport, OH  43125-1216
614-836-3465

 
On Sunday, September 13, 2009, at 07:44PM, "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
>unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
>he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
>thanks
>R Fink
>PA
>
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Sep 13 14:49:05 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:49:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca34bc$042f38a0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Good Deal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer


>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
> unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
> he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> thanks
> R Fink
> PA
> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep 13 15:01:40 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:01:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>

Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It 
could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a 
totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta 
like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know 
what I mean.
  Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every 
now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non 
running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting 
folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with 
Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to 
strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with 
the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
  Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help 
better.         Mark



At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
>I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
>unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
>he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
>thanks
>R Fink
>PA


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep 13 15:07:54 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:07:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B127CE5FA8E146B699722985C456279E@DBTOA000>


It will be a two cycle engine.  10 HP is a nice size and the price
sounds good as long as its complete and in decent shape.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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Fink Sr
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:45 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer

I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition 
unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it 
he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
thanks
R Fink
PA

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Sep 13 15:59:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:59:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <746BCAA3-284E-4348-9827-56EE5EF7732A@rustyiron.com>

If it's their Gaso-Kero engine (upright), it's throttle governed in  
that speed is controlled by the volume of air that is allowed into the  
crankcase.  If the engine is complete, including the oddball mixer,  
then the price is a steal.

If the engine is an older oilfield style engine, and it is complete  
and free, then the price would still seem very good.

I guess it all depends on whether the engine is good, or a rusted out  
old bone.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:

> I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> thanks
> R Fink
> PA
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Sep 13 19:16:24 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:16:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
	<20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>

Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a 
ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or 
lawn ordainment.
R Fink



At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
>could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
>totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
>like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
>what I mean.
>   Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
>now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
>running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
>folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with
>Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
>strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
>the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
>   Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
>better.         Mark
>
>
>
>At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> >thanks
> >R Fink
> >PA
>
>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Sep 13 17:54:34 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:54:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>
References: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
	<20090913220129.742C18DA5@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<4aad7d51.04c2f10a.067c.ffff9172@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090914005438.1E257841A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Good luck, If its a good straight engine its a heck of a deal on a 
decent sized engine.  Mark


At 10:16 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a
>ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or
>lawn ordainment.
>R Fink
>
>
>
>At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> >Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
> >could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
> >totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
> >like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
> >what I mean.
> >   Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
> >now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
> >running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
> >folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.  He did this with
> >Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
> >strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
> >the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
> >   Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
> >better.         Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
> > >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
> > >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
> > >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
> > >thanks
> > >R Fink
> > >PA
> >
> >
> >Mark Shulaw
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 13 18:02:21 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland )
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:02:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
Message-ID: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>

That is a hard size to come by and a really good price 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:54:34 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bessemer


Good luck, If its a good straight engine its a heck of a deal on a 
 decent sized engine.? Mark
 
 
 At 10:16 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
 >Thanks to all for the reply. Mark i will most likely need to take a
 >ride and find out just what is there. Maybe just a big door stop or
 >lawn ordainment.
 >R Fink
 >
 >
 >
 >At 06:01 PM 9/13/2009 -0400, you wrote:
 > >Way to few details to be able to give an accurate assessment. It
 > >could be all junk built from bad parts as a looker or it could be a
 > >totally straight up engine or anywhere in between, who knows. Sorta
 > >like asking whats my Chevy worth with out any more details. Yah know
 > >what I mean.
 > >?? Knew a parts vender years back (no longer active) that would every
 > >now and then assemble a not to bad a looking at first glance non
 > >running engine from reject parts and sell it as is to unsuspecting
 > >folks hiding behind the phrase caveat emptor.? He did this with
 > >Maytags, John Deeres and the McCormick model M. He bought engines to
 > >strip down for parts. After a while he could build up a looker with
 > >the bad parts left over. Put a cheap price on it and away it went.
 > >?? Inspect for damage, Get some details on condition and we can help
 > >better.???????? Mark
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >At 07:44 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote:
 > > >I have a local that wants to sell a 10 hp Bessemer engine. Condition
 > > >unknown. Is this a H+M or a TG engine. Have not put an eye ball on it
 > > >he is asking $700.00.Good bad all opinions welcome??????????????
 > > >thanks
 > > >R Fink
 > > >PA
 > >
 > >
 > >Mark Shulaw
 > >454 Co. Rd. 33
 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817
 > >USA
 > >
 > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Sep 13 18:52:08 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:52:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<COL112-W31EA87BE29C294DDB9756295E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AADA1C8.6010008@xplornet.com>

Hello Steve,
	It's probably the coil as others have said. You could check the gas 
tank cap to make sure the vent is clear. A plugged cap vent will act 
like that too. A simple check on the vent is to try starting the engine 
right away with the cap loose or off. Haven't had this happen to me on 
small engines but have on tractors and older cars.

Rupert

Steve Royster wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It
> runs fine for about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it
> cool off and it will start and run  till it gets hot again. Could
> this be anything other than the coil heating up and going bad? Thanks
> for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines . Steve
> 
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sun Sep 13 22:57:32 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:57:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday
In-Reply-To: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090911231041.1CA01340009@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6CDE84B558A64BDFA4A6560F4F8AF7FB@CamPC>

G,day, well how the trip go, I should imagine it will be something that you 
will carry in the memory bank until you die. I tried to get hold of you a 
couple of times but you must have either been looking at engines or partying 
so I left you to it, anyway what did you finish up buying, I can't wait to 
see. Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] USA Holiday


> G'day all,
> We are home all safe and well after a fantastic trip to the USA.
> Carmel and I would like to thank everyone who welcomed us during our
> time abroad. We had such a great time; and like many before us, we
> would like to go back and do it again. Driving on the right side of
> the road was fun, ( I had to really concentrate when we got home to
> not stuff up here) I can get used to sitting on 75 mile an hour
> pretty easy too. We got to see plenty of the country, Plenty of
> engines and plenty of cars. Baraboo was a very nice setting for an
> engine rally, Portland just has to be experienced. Thanks to the
> folks who welcomed us into their homes. Thanks to the folks who gave
> advice along the way.
>
> Our rip home was pleasant in that we got to travel on a new A380 air
> bus. We had no idea until we were actually boarding the plane. We
> arrived in Melbourne around 8am and picked up our car to travel the
> 5.5 hours back home. We are still  pretty buggered from the trip and
> jet lag but will not let this stop  us planing another trip.
>
> I have been over to the shed and had a real Aussie beer already :-)
> and gave my engines a bit of a cuddle. Yet to start anything up how
> ever. (Dad ran one of my Hornby's at our local club event while we
> were away and snagged a second place ribon from the show society)
>
> The trip of a life time would not have been as easy to do or
> experience without the mateship of a really good group of folk known as 
> the SEL
>
> thanks again
> Russell
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 14 05:25:55 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:25:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
Message-ID: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>


Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 14 10:15:48 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O/T Briggs and stratton help needed
In-Reply-To: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-191780
	4931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1381380258-1252861744-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1917804931-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <35ce26beda1367d19f2f551cb7617396.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Steve,  Here's an even BETTER idea.  Have MIKE "check for spark."
Bless his heart...

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 13, 2009 1:06 pm, kimmell at verizon.net wrote:
> Sounds like a classic bad Magnetron coil to me.  When it dies, pull the plug wire
> and check for spark.
>
> -Tony
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Steve Royster
>
> Hi all , I have a six year old lawnmower with a 6.75 hp B&S on it. It runs fine for
> about 5 minutes and then has no fire and quits. Let it cool off and it will start
> and run  till it gets hot again. Could this be anything other than the coil heating
> up and going bad? Thanks for the help, I'd rather be working on my big engines .
> Steve




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 14 10:45:45 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
Message-ID: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

August 25-29, 2010

>
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't
>> seem to find them anywhere.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 11:39:14 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:39:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need FM Dishpan engine advice
Message-ID: <45BC8E6B18EB451BBCA34A63C282268E@PAUL>

Folks a stranger whom I have never met sent me an e-mail today and told me he has one of the old Fairbanks Morse dishpan engines and it will not run. He said it ran about three months ago but will not run now. I suggested he make sure he was getting fire at the plug and if he was to check for stuck check valve on the mixer pickup.

He wrote back that he knew it was getting gas so it must be the fire that is the problem. He tells me it has an old Model-T coil as part of the ignition system.

I don't know who he is or what the engine looks like but I would appreciate any help and advice you folks me want to give me so I can ass it on to him. Meanwhile I am going to try and see if he is a local.

Paul


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 12:26:19 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:26:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
Message-ID: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>

WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in the 
last line should be pass and not the one it is.

Sorry about that.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need FM Dishpan engine advice


> Folks a stranger whom I have never met sent me an e-mail today and told me 
> he has one of the old Fairbanks Morse dishpan engines and it will not run. 
> He said it ran about three months ago but will not run now. I suggested he 
> make sure he was getting fire at the plug and if he was to check for stuck 
> check valve on the mixer pickup.
>
> He wrote back that he knew it was getting gas so it must be the fire that 
> is the problem. He tells me it has an old Model-T coil as part of the 
> ignition system.
>
> I don't know who he is or what the engine looks like but I would 
> appreciate any help and advice you folks me want to give me so I can ass 
> it on to him. Meanwhile I am going to try and see if he is a local.
>
> Paul
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Sep 14 11:55:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out there in engineland) :-)

         A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" but first I'll explain the 
problem - this may be a bit long winded!

         The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps coming loose. (To be 
fair, Arnie did warn me that, if I called him Reggie I should expect 
trouble :-)).
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>

         After restoration (and a few "rallies") he developed a knock 
(which sounded just like a bearing knock) and I discovered that the 
flywheel was loose. Closer inspection revealed a crack in the flywheel hub 
starting in one corner of the keyway and going to the outer edge of the 
hub. (A common problem with them, I believe, related to incorrect removal 
of the flywheel).
         I had the hub machined (just a tad) to fit a reinforcing steel 
ring around the outside of it and had the whole lot professionally welded. 
This welding was done with a mandrel (sp) a few thou smaller than the 
crankshaft inserted and clamped up with the bolt to prevent distortion.

          The welders did a great job and it worked fine for 3 rallies but 
then the knock (and loose flywheel) started again although the crack has 
not reappeared - the repair has held.
         The flywheel is cast with a teardrop shaped slot (opposite the 
keyway) into the web of the flywheel and going "all the way through" to the 
crankshaft.
         Fitting entails sliding the flywheel onto the crankshaft, lining 
up the keyway on flywheel and crankshaft, fitting a straight key, and then 
tightening a large bolt which theoretically clamps the flywheel to the 
shaft - the key just there to locate it and prevent the flywheel slipping 
around the crankshaft.
         Removal entails loosening the large bolt and inserting a wedge 
into the teardrop shaped slot (from the back) and knocking it in just 
enough to loosen it (the flywheel) from the crankshaft. This is where the 
damage "happens" if done incorrectly ie. wedge hammered in too far causes 
the crack on the opposite side of the hub (in the corner of the keyway 
which is a "weak spot").

         The repair has held (as mentioned earlier) but now I'm wondering 
if a tapered gib key is not the answer. (I wonder why the manufacturers 
never used that system in the first place as it seems infinitely better 
than what they did but it was 1936 and the design was even earlier so maybe 
that will explain why they went that way).

         O.K. that covers the explanation of the problem - now my questions?

         a) What do you guys think of the idea of a tapered key to replace 
the straight key - I would knock it in very slightly first - then tighten 
the clamping bolt as tight as possible - - then give the tapered key a 
whack to seat it - after a few "runs" of the engine maybe another whack? 
(ie. after a good few hours of running).

         b) How do I measure to be able to give the key manufacturer the 
correct dimensions? I know that most standard tapers are 1:100 (and I'd 
probably go for this unless otherwise advised). The question is hard for me 
to describe but what I'm trying to establish is, is there a point along the 
key where the taper must start to grip (eg 1/3 or 1/2 way along). Is there 
a tried and tested formula for this? I do not want the key to go in too far 
so that I cannot "Grip" the head to remove it later and it must also not 
stick out too far and interfere with a crankhandle adapter I have on there 
to enable me to use the same crank as my Wolseley engines. ( I put an 
adapter on each of my engines so that I only have to take 1 crankhandle to 
any rally.)
         3) Is it  acceptable to use shimstock under a tapered key if I get 
the measurement wrong and the key goes in too far?

         Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 14 11:58:45 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:58:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
In-Reply-To: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <164f333603e10efccaf0c7b30c1e4261.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W3004C3F3D2435EE55400C0C8E40@phx.gbl>


Thanks!

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

============================
 
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: Portland 2010 Show Dates
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 
> August 25-29, 2010
> 
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't
> >> seem to find them anywhere.
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 12:20:04 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:20:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
Message-ID: <A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>


On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in  
> the
> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Paul

WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
	Dave



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 07:49:36 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:49:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland 2010 Show Dates
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W33D46A69DC845402C2D739C8E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20E25DB5-08CE-477A-807D-142384632A87@me.com>

August 25-29.
	Dave
PS, POTIS Lied!

On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

>
> Could someone give me the dates to the 2010 Portland show? I can't  
> seem to find them anywhere.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
>
> Rockford, Michigan
>
> USA
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 13:24:27 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:24:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
	<A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>

I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to 
write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such 
depredations on the List.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>> the
>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> Paul
>
> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
> Dave
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 12:54:34 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:54:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL>
	<A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com>
	<4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
Message-ID: <3E7E5794-F05C-4200-B404-221BFF7376FC@me.com>

I was VERY worried that you may be planning to move to San Fran!
	Dave

On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:24 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for  
> you to
> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
> depredations on the List.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>>> the
>>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>>
>>> Sorry about that.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
>> Dave
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 14 13:05:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5C9EACAF-AC39-49CD-AA90-8ACD55F8B231@me.com>

Good doG Jerry, Think outside the gib key. Drill and tap a hole in the  
flywheel hub 90 degrees off the key slot and put a grade 8 bolt in it  
to tighten the flywheel to the crank!
	Dave
PS, "The welder did a great job" and it lasted 3 rallies? Could I have  
the name of the guy please. I know it's a long way away, but I still  
have to know who to avoid!
PPS, Arnie tells me that cats tast like rattelsnake!

On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out there in  
> engineland) :-)
>
>         A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" but first I'll explain  
> the
> problem - this may be a bit long winded!
>
>         The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps coming loose. (To be
> fair, Arnie did warn me that, if I called him Reggie I should expect
> trouble :-)).
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/reggie/index.htm>
>
>         After restoration (and a few "rallies") he developed a knock
> (which sounded just like a bearing knock) and I discovered that the
> flywheel was loose. Closer inspection revealed a crack in the  
> flywheel hub
> starting in one corner of the keyway and going to the outer edge of  
> the
> hub. (A common problem with them, I believe, related to incorrect  
> removal
> of the flywheel).
>         I had the hub machined (just a tad) to fit a reinforcing steel
> ring around the outside of it and had the whole lot professionally  
> welded.
> This welding was done with a mandrel (sp) a few thou smaller than the
> crankshaft inserted and clamped up with the bolt to prevent  
> distortion.
>
>          The welders did a great job and it worked fine for 3  
> rallies but
> then the knock (and loose flywheel) started again although the crack  
> has
> not reappeared - the repair has held.
>         The flywheel is cast with a teardrop shaped slot (opposite the
> keyway) into the web of the flywheel and going "all the way through"  
> to the
> crankshaft.
>         Fitting entails sliding the flywheel onto the crankshaft,  
> lining
> up the keyway on flywheel and crankshaft, fitting a straight key,  
> and then
> tightening a large bolt which theoretically clamps the flywheel to the
> shaft - the key just there to locate it and prevent the flywheel  
> slipping
> around the crankshaft.
>         Removal entails loosening the large bolt and inserting a wedge
> into the teardrop shaped slot (from the back) and knocking it in just
> enough to loosen it (the flywheel) from the crankshaft. This is  
> where the
> damage "happens" if done incorrectly ie. wedge hammered in too far  
> causes
> the crack on the opposite side of the hub (in the corner of the keyway
> which is a "weak spot").
>
>         The repair has held (as mentioned earlier) but now I'm  
> wondering
> if a tapered gib key is not the answer. (I wonder why the  
> manufacturers
> never used that system in the first place as it seems infinitely  
> better
> than what they did but it was 1936 and the design was even earlier  
> so maybe
> that will explain why they went that way).
>
>         O.K. that covers the explanation of the problem - now my  
> questions?
>
>         a) What do you guys think of the idea of a tapered key to  
> replace
> the straight key - I would knock it in very slightly first - then  
> tighten
> the clamping bolt as tight as possible - - then give the tapered key a
> whack to seat it - after a few "runs" of the engine maybe another  
> whack?
> (ie. after a good few hours of running).
>
>         b) How do I measure to be able to give the key manufacturer  
> the
> correct dimensions? I know that most standard tapers are 1:100 (and  
> I'd
> probably go for this unless otherwise advised). The question is hard  
> for me
> to describe but what I'm trying to establish is, is there a point  
> along the
> key where the taper must start to grip (eg 1/3 or 1/2 way along). Is  
> there
> a tried and tested formula for this? I do not want the key to go in  
> too far
> so that I cannot "Grip" the head to remove it later and it must also  
> not
> stick out too far and interfere with a crankhandle adapter I have on  
> there
> to enable me to use the same crank as my Wolseley engines. ( I put an
> adapter on each of my engines so that I only have to take 1  
> crankhandle to
> any rally.)
>         3) Is it  acceptable to use shimstock under a tapered key if  
> I get
> the measurement wrong and the key goes in too far?
>
>         Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Sep 14 13:05:33 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
Message-ID: <1D088819F0C44EE283CE23178079809C@tommyd0x52gkco>

Paul,
	I remember a few years ago that a neighbor and his wife were
appointed to a community board.  I thought it was neat for them both to
serve and dropped them a typewritten note.  In it I meant to say "I hear
comments often about what both of you mean to our community and I want
you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".

	Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.  Spell
check works on words only, not on thoughts or intentions.  Luckily they
knew me well enough that we all got a big laugh out of it.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice

I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to

write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such 
depredations on the List.

Paul




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 13:36:25 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:36:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
Message-ID: <cf3.5e583f1b.37e00349@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
The tapered key will only work with a hub that has been machined with a  
taper in it.  Interchanging straight and tapered keys will not work at  all.  
If you insert a tapered key into a "straight key" hub it will only  bind up 
at a point to point contact, whereas if it is inserted in a "tapered  key" 
hub it will lock up the full surface of the key thus giving it maximum  
strength.  A tapered key in a straight key hub with the point to point  contact 
will work loose immediately.
 
It sounds to me that the key slot has worn oversize in either the shaft or  
hub or both.  If it is ok in the shaft and worn in the hub,  you can 
machine the hub to an oversize key and make a step key.  This is  something that 
is commonly done. The other thing that it could be is that  the bore size in 
hub has gotten slightly oversize during removal/running loose  and is not 
properly tightening up around the shaft.  In that case, the hub  has to be 
bored and bushed.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 14:55:32 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:55:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <116071430DCB4F059A8DF37D9C48B774@PAUL><A1C65FD4-047F-4AB1-8324-1344978B2D7A@me.com><4EB9C203F9CF40AFA17B481FDA7FA09C@PAUL>
	<3E7E5794-F05C-4200-B404-221BFF7376FC@me.com>
Message-ID: <9B0D1EACAE4E40398701F83C046CA5B2@PAUL>

Not to worry Dave, all is well now.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


>I was VERY worried that you may be planning to move to San Fran!
> Dave
> 
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:24 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> 
>> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for  
>> you to
>> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
>> depredations on the List.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:26 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> WOOPS!!!!!!!!! I should have proof read my last message. The word in
>>>> the
>>>> last line should be pass and not the one it is.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about that.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> WOW Paul, You had me worried there for a moment!
>>> Dave
>>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 14 14:59:53 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:59:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
References: <1D088819F0C44EE283CE23178079809C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <5D595EBBCD044D9081BFCFBE38155298@PAUL>

Yep Tommy I have been guilty of this too often but I am thankful that we 
have the ever watchful eye of the list guardian, the evil one to police such 
depredations.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice


> Paul,
> I remember a few years ago that a neighbor and his wife were
> appointed to a community board.  I thought it was neat for them both to
> serve and dropped them a typewritten note.  In it I meant to say "I hear
> comments often about what both of you mean to our community and I want
> you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".
>
> Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.  Spell
> check works on words only, not on thoughts or intentions.  Luckily they
> knew me well enough that we all got a big laugh out of it.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
> I know Dave and have been sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to
>
> write me and express to me your deep concern over me committing such
> depredations on the List.
>
> Paul
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 14 15:27:39 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Let me throw my two cents worth into the fray.  Remember, though, that the advice I give is worth about two cents less than you paid.

What I would do would be to carefully fit a new key that is snug in both the flywheel and the crankshaft.  You may have to machine it to a different width for the crank than for the wheel but the idea is to get rid of any clearance.

Ghen, before the final assembly, I'd clean the heck out of the bore and the shaft and apply a drop or two of Loktite (or a similar locking compound).  Assemble, tighten the draw bolt then let it sit for a day or two for the Loktite to set-up.

That should hold things together and should (if you've selected the proper grade of locking compound) still allow removal of the wheel if necessary.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 01:55 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
> 
> 
> Hi to the knowledge base (that's all you guys out 
> there in engineland) :-)
> 
>          A few questions re tapered "Gib Keys" 
> but first I'll explain the 
> problem - this may be a bit long winded!
> 
>          The flywheel on my little Ronnie N keeps 
> coming loose......

......................snippety, snip................................

> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 14 14:57:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:57:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEENIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <66D8323D570E46249C06C28DBDE6723B@KerryPC>

G'Day Jerry
Elden beat me to it, they made over 54,000 of them so the system if used 
correctly is not the problem, are you sure the key fits nicely into both 
keyways (crank and flywheel), there must be no side movement. I have just 
finished using JB weld on one side of a badly worn keyway side and it looks 
like the end result will work ok, once it is in and every thing is tight 
there should be no side movement.
I to would use a little Loktite at least on the key.
don't see why brass shim could not be used under the key, loktite it to the 
key.

are you sure the shaft or hub is not worn and does not tighten up correctly 
without the key, if the diameters are not correct it will never tighten and 
by putting more pressure on the clamping bolt than designed to pull the hub 
tighter WILL crack the hub on the keyway side as you first had.

Kerry 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Sep 14 17:02:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:02:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] re Question re Tapered Gib Keys
Message-ID: <C28BBE492EE34951A869EBB9A2A1195C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ,the same problem comes along with Ruston SP engines ,in this case there are two of the bloody things .It seems that the shaft wears probably the bore of the flywheels as well .The remedy ......sit down and open a can of beer ,preferably VB . When you have finished cut your self a piece of shim ,using the can and if you can get it into the space between the shaft and the flywheel [ may gently wedge the slot to do this]  tighten the bolt and you should be OK .Not the ideal solution but apart from a major rework of the shaft /bore it is a solution. As you have been advised a correct fitting key is an important requirement!.
PS have you heard from Andy S lately .....he has done a great job on the Water Mill ?

From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Sep 15 06:36:14 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:36:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>

It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if 
any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send 
information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
R Fink




At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 04:42:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:42:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
Message-ID: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Sep 15 07:38:49 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
	<4aaf6e4f.0936640a.146d.415b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>

Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the 
flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark



At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
>It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
>any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
>information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
>R Fink
>
>
>
>
>At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 10:37:24 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Ebay 260477305719  6 port MK in Topeka KS.   Cya Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 10:54:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:54:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915194117.02136608@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:49 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>
>Good doG Jerry, Think outside the gib key. Drill and tap a hole in the
>flywheel hub 90 degrees off the key slot and put a grade 8 bolt in it
>to tighten the flywheel to the crank!
>         Dave
>PS, "The welder did a great job" and it lasted 3 rallies? Could I have
>the name of the guy please. I know it's a long way away, but I still
>have to know who to avoid!
>PPS, Arnie tells me that cats tast like rattelsnake!
>On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

Hi Dave,
         Thanks for your reply - that sounds like a real "farmer repair" 
but does have merit. I think it would be easier to weld the darn flywheel 
to the shaft - I've seen that done before !
         Yes, the welder did do a great job - as mentioned, the welding has 
not failed and the crack has not re appeared so no need to blame them ! :-)
         Maybe I should just stick to Maytags :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
P.S. "Rattlesnake", I've never tasted - I wonder if it's anything like 
"Puff Adder" ? 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 10:57:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:57:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915195546.021433e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:33 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw:  Need FM Dishpan engine advice
>
>Paul,
>         I remember a few years ago <snip> I want
>you to know what a big asset I think both of you are".
>
>         Needless to say, the "et" got left off the word asset.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Tommy,
         That's a "classic" - thanks for sharing.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 11:09:01 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:09:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915195922.02144a30@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:36:25 EDT
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>Jerry,
>The tapered key will only work with a hub that has been machined with a
>taper in it.  Interchanging straight and tapered keys will not work at  all.
>If you insert a tapered key into a "straight key" hub it will only  bind up
>at a point to point contact, whereas if it is inserted in a "tapered  key"
>hub it will lock up the full surface of the key thus giving it maximum
>strength.  A tapered key in a straight key hub with the point to 
>point  contact
>will work loose immediately.
>
>It sounds to me that the key slot has worn oversize in either the shaft or
>hub or both.  If it is ok in the shaft and worn in the hub,  you can
>machine the hub to an oversize key and make a step key.  This 
>is  something that
>is commonly done. The other thing that it could be is that  the bore size in
>hub has gotten slightly oversize during removal/running loose  and is not
>properly tightening up around the shaft.  In that case, the hub  has to be
>bored and bushed.
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.

Hi Tom,
         You are a genius. Thank you for that answer because it also 
answered a question that I forgot to put in the original post and was 
wondering about.
         I was wondering if the  keyway in the flywheel was also machined 
at a taper.
         Your answer makes absolute sense to me and now I have a better 
idea of where to look for the answer.
         Many thanks.
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 11:45:20 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:45:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915201705.00c04458@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>Jerry:
>Let me throw my two cents worth into the fray.  Remember, though, that the 
>advice I give is worth about two cents less than you paid.
>What I would do would be to carefully fit a new key that is snug in both 
>the flywheel and the crankshaft.  You may have to machine it to a 
>different width for the crank than for the wheel but the idea is to get 
>rid of any clearance.
>Ghen, before the final assembly, I'd clean the heck out of the bore and 
>the shaft and apply a drop or two of Loktite (or a similar locking 
>compound).  Assemble, tighten the draw bolt then let it sit for a day or 
>two for the Loktite to set-up.
>
>That should hold things together and should (if you've selected the proper 
>grade of locking compound) still allow removal of the wheel if necessary.
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

Hi Elden,
         First let me say that, ALL advice given by you or any other member 
of this list is worth a helluva lot to me. That is why I ask the questions 
in the first place - I do not have the experience or knowledge that is 
available on this (and Oldengine) list.
         This thread has answered so many questions for me and taught me so 
much. (It's also on Jim's list).
         So, thank you for your answer and yes, it does make a lot of sense 
because of the fact that I can "rock" the flywheel on the shaft. (Only a 
little bit but enough to get a "click click" sound).
         All the replies I have got are stored in a file and tomorrow (or 
maybe later) I will sort through them and find the best answer to the problem.
         I was worried about having to make a "stepped key" as Tom and you 
mentioned because I do not have the equipment (or ability) for that and I'm 
useless with a file:-)
         LocTite has crept into the thread so many times (I've never used 
it) that I'm beginning to think about it but it will probably only work on 
well mated surfaces so the "stepped key" may come into it.
         Thanks for the advice.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 12:16:57 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:16:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915204750.02114cc0@mail.atech.co.za>


>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:57:06 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
>
>G'Day Jerry
>Elden beat me to it, they made over 54,000 of them so the system if used
>correctly is not the problem, are you sure the key fits nicely into both
>keyways (crank and flywheel), there must be no side movement. I have just
>finished using JB weld on one side of a badly worn keyway side and it looks
>like the end result will work ok, once it is in and every thing is tight
>there should be no side movement.
>I to would use a little Loktite at least on the key.
>don't see why brass shim could not be used under the key, loktite it to the
>key.
>
>are you sure the shaft or hub is not worn and does not tighten up correctly
>without the key, if the diameters are not correct it will never tighten and
>by putting more pressure on the clamping bolt than designed to pull the hub
>tighter WILL crack the hub on the keyway side as you first had.
>
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Thanks for your input,
         Most of your questions were answered in my reply to Elden and others.
         Yes, I understand that the system must have worked O.K. My 
original comment was probably "uncalled for".
         You are the first one to mention JB Weld - that is another avenue 
for me to explore. Fill up those gaps that allow the flywheel to "rock" (as 
mine is doing). Maybe this will even solve the problem of having to "file" 
a "stepped key" - or at least make it easier to do.
         I'm quite sure that the internal diameter of the hub does clamp 
down O.K. onto the crankshaft (the mandrel used when it was welded was a 
few thou smaller) but I do not have the tools (or experience) to measure it 
accurately - it may be oval but will explore that possibility soon (my 
brother does have an engineering workshop with the necessary equipment).
         Another possibility (Please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the 
bolt that is used to tighten the flywheel may be of the wrong pitch and is 
coming loose with running. The original bolt was badly "mauled" and we 
replaced it with a similar sized metric bolt but I'm not sure what the 
thread pitch of the new bolt is - could this cause a problem?).

         Thanks for your interest and help Kerry.
Jerry.
(From the land of the new "Tri-Nations" champions) Although that was 
difficult - having to play against the crowd as well as the referee was not 
easy :-))



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 15 12:32:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:32:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253030402.17329.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090915211831.02163a78@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 15/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:02:54 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] re Question re Tapered Gib Keys
>
>Jerry ,the same problem comes along with Ruston SP engines ,in this case 
>there are two of the bloody things .It seems that the shaft wears probably 
>the bore of the flywheels as well .The remedy ......sit down and open a 
>can of beer ,preferably VB . When you have finished cut your self a piece 
>of shim ,using the can and if you can get it into the space between the 
>shaft and the flywheel [ may gently wedge the slot to do this]  tighten 
>the bolt and you should be OK .Not the ideal solution but apart from a 
>major rework of the shaft /bore it is a solution. As you have been advised 
>a correct fitting key is an important requirement!.
>PS have you heard from Andy S lately .....he has done a great job on the 
>Water Mill ?

Hi Peter,
         Thanks for your answer. I'm not sure what VB is but the cans are 
probably the same thickness as "Castle" (The best beer in the world) :-).
         In my original post I did mention "shimstock", it seems that you 
Aussies use the same shimstock as we do :-)
         Your answer also will be considered when I get down to sorting out 
all the replies I've had to this thread. Thank you very much.
         I am in almost daily contact with Andy - I'm archiving all the 
mill stuff on my site (no link yet). What he is doing is really quite 
incredible - a real "labour of love".
         Are you on the "Cape Vintage" mailing list, if not then let me 
know and I'll get you added.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Sep 15 18:30:43 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <BLU102-DS70AA0EBE37141B59E4D5AC2E40@phx.gbl>
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	<20090915143838.4FAD0866E@smtp.wcoil.com>
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I did not put a eye on it the owner said if it was complete i would 
be asking $2500.00
R Fink


At 10:38 AM 9/15/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the
>flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark
>
>
>
>At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
> >It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
> >any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
> >information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
> >R Fink
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> >
> >
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>
>Mark Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, OH. 45817
>USA
>
>Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
>Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Sep 15 16:38:57 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:38:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer
In-Reply-To: <4ab0159a.02c3f10a.4ffb.3c74@mx.google.com>
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Must be a junker then.     Mark


At 09:30 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

>I did not put a eye on it the owner said if it was complete i would
>be asking $2500.00
>R Fink
>
>
>At 10:38 AM 9/15/2009 -0400, you wrote:
> >Can you list whats missing? Was there cracks breaks or welds to the
> >flywheels or any other parts for that matter.  Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >At 09:36 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
> > >It appears that this engine is NOT complete. And stuck. So i pass if
> > >any one in the PA or else where has a interest i will send
> > >information. He has a $550.00 best offer so far. And wants to move it.
> > >R Fink
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 01:02 AM 9/14/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >That is a hard size to come by and a really good price
> > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >Mark Shulaw
> >454 Co. Rd. 33
> >Bluffton, OH. 45817
> >USA
> >
> >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
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Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 16 00:52:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:52:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale and other things
Message-ID: <93D15EFDBB3742D1B9E76ADC13FF9913@peterlowe>

Hi all
The 10hp, L series,  R&V that was up for sale a while back, still is, read below and you guys can deal with it.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm


Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines


 
Dear Peter,
Thank you, again, for advertising my father's R&V (the L series listed on your site). My mother lowered the price to $8,000. In addition, you may post her phone number on the advertisement - 314.392.3240. She lives in Eldon, Mo. and her name is Berniece Adcock.

She also has a lot of parts for sale. If you believe there is interest, I may forward a list to you. Thanks so much, Lana Poole


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Sep 16 03:54:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:54:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys
In-Reply-To: <000901ca36b6$5541bdc0$0201010a@x6d7p7>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090914183239.00bf6a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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Brad & the Engine guys;

For years the Tugboat & Shipyead guys { that know of it }

have used Devon Steel Putty as a fix for wobbled out key 

ways in propellers & bad tapers on the shafts { as a result of 

loose keys}. I my self used it with great success after a huge 

clunk going from Fwd to Rev on my tug.

It was a 74" Dia. propeller & a 1 " Key.

Devcon also makes a liquid steel vers the putty version,

for smaller applications with less clearence.

This stuff makes an "OK" fit perfect & a bad fit, just fine.

 

                 B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: bsoward at bigpond.net.au
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: Question re tapered gib keys
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:13:14 +1000
> 
> G'day Jerry
> 
> <after the last run there is a bit of play - I can rock the flywheel back
> and forth, not much but enough to get a "click, click" sound - this may be
> the "knock" I heard previously!>
> 
> This will be enough to cause the flywheel to continually work loose. The old
> way to repair this was to obtain some key steel larger than the current key
> and file up a replacement with a "step" big enough to securely locate the
> flywheel keyway while still fitting the existing slot in the crankshaft.
> Very time consuming, but low on the out of pocket expense scale. You do need
> to have some skill as a 'fitter' to get a good result though. If it was mine
> I would go the 'Loctite' route. There are numerous products on the market
> and only a few are suitable for a job of this type, so some advice from your
> local bearing supply house or engineering supplier would be a good idea.
> These things tend to be relatively expensive for a small amount of product
> and you want to get it right first time, so follow any instructions closely!
> :-) Best of luck. <grin>
> 
> Regards from Oz
> Brad Soward
> Nimbin, NSW. Australia
> 
> 
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
> 
> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> with:
> unsubscribe
> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Sep 16 04:32:18 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:32:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
	<20090915173720.07B4840554D@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W546B3C875B97431DFD311FB4E20@phx.gbl>


Jimmy;

Thanks a lot for the link, I've been looking for a while now.

 

               B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Frank, Ebay 260477305719 6 port MK in Topeka KS. Cya Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> 
> Hell folks;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
> 
> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
> 
> that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
> 
> 
> 
> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 16 05:18:23 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:18:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
Message-ID: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>

Hi guys

Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??

Peter, Oz




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 06:08:49 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:08:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <E64FDFC61EE1449CAE8DABC53E78B948@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Peter.....try http://www.lprtoolmakers.com/specials/JB%20Weld/JBweld.htm
.There is another product made in Australia but I am sure you can get it 
over there , I have used it and it is good
http://easyfindguide.com.au/sunshinecoast/listing.asp?Biz_ID=17217&sub=3800&guide=264
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 16 09:52:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:52:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <BAE08CE8-BBF9-463F-84AB-D5C1E6D8D8CE@me.com>

Hi Peter, http://www.jbweld.net/dealer/index.php shows NO dealers in OZ.
	Dave
PS, My guess is that, along with guns, your government putlawed JB Weld!

On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Sep 16 09:35:10 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:35:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W546B3C875B97431DFD311FB4E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090916163505.D13F9405484@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Youre welcome. Make sure you leave a large "proxv"at the end so you
don't get out Sniped . Good luck! Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:32 AM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Jimmy;

Thanks a lot for the link, I've been looking for a while now.

 

               B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Frank, Ebay 260477305719 6 port MK in Topeka KS. Cya Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
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> Hell folks;
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> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
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> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
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> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
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> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 16 14:55:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:55:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAE08CE8-BBF9-463F-84AB-D5C1E6D8D8CE@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEFPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Look for either Devcon or Belzona.  Either of those companies make an epoxy that is similar to JB Weld.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
> 
> 
> Hi Peter, http://www.jbweld.net/dealer/index.php 
> shows NO dealers in OZ.
> 	Dave
> PS, My guess is that, along with guns, your 
> government putlawed JB Weld!
> 
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys
> >
> > Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
> >
> > Peter, Oz




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Sep 16 14:19:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:19:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Question re tapered gib keys/Thank You
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090916231547.00c03be0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         Just a quick note to thank everyone who replied to this thread. 
I've been busy for the last day or so and not been able to sift through all 
the info I got from you guys but will do so soon.
         I will post the results when that happens.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 16 15:17:30 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:17:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day Pete, gee mate I can understand all those stories you have been 
telling me about those bloody guys from over the other side of the pond.!!!

And the SWILL they Drinkl!! man ....

Pete I have had no trouble getting jb weld and devcon through Sprint 
Auto parts here in Mildura. Keep trying the various auto stores
Russell



At 10:18 PM 16/09/2009, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>
>Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 15:38:19 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:38:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Peter     I have heard it aid that you should not beleive everything on the 
net. I can assure you that you can buy JB Weld in this country try 
http://www.lprtoolmakers.com/..But why not try the homegrown product Epigen 
from Peerless Plastics ?
I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between Austria 
and Australia !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> G'day Pete, gee mate I can understand all those stories you have been
> telling me about those bloody guys from over the other side of the 
> pond.!!!
>
> And the SWILL they Drinkl!! man ....
>
> Pete I have had no trouble getting jb weld and devcon through Sprint
> Auto parts here in Mildura. Keep trying the various auto stores
> Russell
>
>
>
> At 10:18 PM 16/09/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi guys
>>
>>Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 16 17:26:48 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:26:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>


On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between  
> Austria
> and Australia !

And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
	Dave
PS, Love and kisses Mate!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 19:11:50 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:11:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <4aad59f8.48c3f10a.44a8.7baa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>


I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458


Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 19:25:21 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:25:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe><20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au><91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
Message-ID: <B20D1996D69F4BE3A76DC18A4E63640C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

I see you are still the same little Dickhead ...age has not mellowed you!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> 
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between  
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
> 
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!
> 
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 16 20:07:28 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:07:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <EC7ACE714F464EFEBE2F0F7669C65A8F@Buffystoy>

Hi Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically 
just like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time zone 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines are 
only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
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>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 16 20:14:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <000d01ca3744$fe049f20$d0624b47@mikecomp>

All I know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out later!!!!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Sep 16 20:19:37 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:19:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>

The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three weeks ago 
today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It 
probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.

Fortunately due to a very major effort by many fire crews the Observatory 
and the commercial TV and radio transmission towers on the mountain 
sustained no significant damage from the fire.  The roads to the area are 
closed to the general public but I visited the Observatory today to start 
some repair work on a plumbing problem and had a chance to look around a 
bit.  The Fairbanks Morse 50 hp RE and the building it is in is just fine 
but even more importantly the big telescopes appear to be in great 
shape.  There was some concern that falling ash would get on the aluminized 
surface of the mirrors and then high humidity could cause a reaction 
between the ash and the aluminum.  The staff was able to clean any ash off 
with a dry carbon dioxide "snow" before any damage was done.

Larry

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 20:18:09 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:18:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <EC7ACE714F464EFEBE2F0F7669C65A8F@Buffystoy>
Message-ID: <E586EC0AC3D24CAD9ADC470949024DBD@DBTOA000>

Yes, I saw it.  Real neat!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Hi Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically

just like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time
zone 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the
other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines are

only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not
for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 16 20:32:37 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:32:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca3744$fe049f20$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <CCACCBED3C944D6DBB9AAC872E83317D@DBTOA000>

Mike,	
	Not sure if I can stand another "skin'in" from the NC Royster
boys!  I I don't know what the intentions are on it.  I didn't ask Kevin
if he had it or was considering purchasing it.  We'll let him tell us.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




All I know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this
one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out
later!!!!

Mike




From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 16 21:21:29 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>
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Message-ID: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 16 21:42:28 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:42:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6D48C66-3D54-4C21-884F-F9D555465561@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Larry.

We're all very lucky that the observatory came through relatively  
unscathed.  I'm sure there will be a lot of cleanup, though.

The satellite infrared images look like complete devastation in the  
area affected by the fire.  Some visible spectrum photographs, though,  
clearly show that big trees in some of the canyons have been spared.

If it's any consolation, it was not even a year ago that we were  
lamenting the loss of the Chino wilderness.  It seemed like it would  
be many years before normalcy was restored.  But if you visit there  
now, you would hardly know that there was ever a fire.

These pictures were taken earlier this year several miles n/e of Mt.  
Wilson.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=102977&id=693104413&l=831961878f
  To me, this area was the crown jewel of the San Gabes.  It's very sad.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Larry Evans wrote:

> The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three  
> weeks ago
> today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It
> probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.
>
> Fortunately due to a very major effort by many fire crews the  
> Observatory
> and the commercial TV and radio transmission towers on the mountain
> sustained no significant damage from the fire.  The roads to the  
> area are
> closed to the general public but I visited the Observatory today to  
> start
> some repair work on a plumbing problem and had a chance to look  
> around a
> bit.  The Fairbanks Morse 50 hp RE and the building it is in is just  
> fine
> but even more importantly the big telescopes appear to be in great
> shape.  There was some concern that falling ash would get on the  
> aluminized
> surface of the mirrors and then high humidity could cause a reaction
> between the ash and the aluminum.  The staff was able to clean any  
> ash off
> with a dry carbon dioxide "snow" before any damage was done.



From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Sep 16 21:49:48 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:49:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>	<20090916221715.ED57937800E@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>	<91A04E6366244AEC8EB640C1996C11E1@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<46B28B2E-752B-405B-A208-8C80AEB4715F@me.com>
	<F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001601ca3752$49143ef0$db3cbcd0$@net.au>

Ya'll hang onto them while you can. You voted Obama in,now he's coming to
get ya'll gun toters.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!

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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Sep 16 22:03:37 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:03:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <F07167D5-6114-4C48-924F-DC8F1D482F44@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Nah

Most of us in OZ are so mature and trustworthy that we don't need guns.

Ron
Canberra 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 2:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia

Hi, Dave.  I was told that neither the Austrians nor the Australians  
are mature nor trustworthy enough to own handguns and  scary black  
rifles.   Is this true?

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>> I have heard that some in the US dont know the differeance between
>> Austria
>> and Australia !
>
> And "some" in OZ have their head up there ass. So what is your point?
> 	Dave
> PS, Love and kisses Mate!

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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Sep 16 22:14:41 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:14:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <C48350569C0E45229FFBC2B958164EF8@D6R3D961>

Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons to 
lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
Roger in California 





From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 00:01:52 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:01:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <C48350569C0E45229FFBC2B958164EF8@D6R3D961>
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917030108.0d388820@ncweb.com>

Unfortunately, that is who got elected.

Dave

At 01:14 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons to
>lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
>Roger in California
>
>
>
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kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Sep 17 00:12:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:12:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <001a01ca3754$370670f0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20090917030108.0d388820@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <E92A0A63C5314AD78C7F2A1E5F3B5108@REGsServer>

They rely on you thinking that way!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Merchant" <kosh at ncweb.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia


> Unfortunately, that is who got elected.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:14 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Its never been the mature and trustworthy that worry me. Its the persons 
>>to
>>lazy to work and have deceided its easier to take what you and I own.
>>Roger in California
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
> dmerchant at layerzero.com
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
> YouTube: SteamCrane
>
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From mike17257 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 02:56:04 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:56:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <844af0290909170256o6c17fdf5m1adc4e4e4256c123@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,  JB weld is available from LPR Toolmakers who are in Broadford I
think - they have an ebay store as well, so search away and you'll find
em.  I have been buying bits n pieces of them for machining stuff - cutting
tools, etc etc.

Michael

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Sep 17 03:35:34 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:35:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
In-Reply-To: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <091720091035.6386.4AB210F6000577C0000018F2223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Pete do you want me to ship you some mate?  Its on sale right now.
Curt
-------------- Original message from "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>: -------------- 


> Hi guys 
> 
> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia?? 
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 03:58:22 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:58:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c01.6a8467cc.37e3704e@aol.com>

The LiliPut was sitting on my kitchen table until the gal of the house put  
her foot down.  There are two of these little engines in the states we no  
of and this one came out of a attic in PA. It has always been my thoughts 
one  should no what he has before he sells it.  If you look at the Duetz Otto 
on  Harry's  that Kevin Withers has for sale it sure looks a lot like that  
engine. I would like to find the manufacturer of the engine and possibly 
some  info on it. 
Yes its on the block for sale/trade
Kevin K
_BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) 
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:39:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Mike,    
Not sure if I can stand  another "skin'in" from the NC Royster
boys!  I I don't know what the  intentions are on it.  I didn't ask Kevin
if he had it or was  considering purchasing it.  We'll let him tell us.

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY




All I know is that I saw the one at  Portland, and it was nce, but this
one 
is FINE.  Tommy, see if you  can obtain it so we can trade it  out
later!!!!

Mike


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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:03:19 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:03:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c9a.36ee061a.37e37177@aol.com>

Mike you no the best deals are when you cut out the middle man.  Laughing
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:19:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

All I  know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this one 
is  FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out  later!!!!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge  Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion  list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September  16, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine


>
> I  received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is  one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there  knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the  manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small,  etc.  Thanks!
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
>  Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:05:04 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:05:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>

Barry hook me up with this guy old pal buddy best friend. 
Kevin K
BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bdb at mchsi.com writes:

Hi  Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically 
just  like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time zone 
 
difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the  
other 
engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines  are 
only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not  for 
sale.
Barry Buchanan



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 04:09:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:09:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <bee.4dc13d1c.37e372f4@aol.com>

Tommy,
 
Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine  
engine!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Sep 17 05:11:37 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:11:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
References: <2962E2A6767543A58EE3C099FC35AE90@peterlowe>
	<844af0290909170256o6c17fdf5m1adc4e4e4256c123@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A74CBB223A8D47D4812BC153C4CFFA41@peterlowe>

WOW, $30 plus $7 post.
I guess it is purchase/postage from USA and a profit margine plus post in Oz
Peter



> Peter,  JB weld is available from LPR Toolmakers who are in Broadford I
> think - they have an ebay store as well, so search away and you'll find
> em.  I have been buying bits n pieces of them for machining stuff - 
> cutting
> tools, etc etc.
>
> Michael
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Where can I buy JB Weld in NSW, Australia??
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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> 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Sep 17 05:24:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:24:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] JB Weld in Australia
Message-ID: <E92F71F045294A72BC130B4B8AC79A5A@peterlowe>

There sure are some price differences.
One US Ebay site has it for $3.59US a pack and the thieving Yank wants 
$29.50US to post it.
That works out at $37.92AUS a pack.
I can buy it from the UK for $$8.90AUS and $7.47 post = $16.37

So I guess you have to shop around, what is the average purchase price in 
the US guys ?

I will ring Repco and Bunnings in Grafton tomorrow to see if they stock it.

Peter, Oz





From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 17 05:33:20 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:33:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Antique engine & tractor show in Gonzales TX
Message-ID: <A06E4428E940422BBA1F0C356B10119E@LapTop>

Anyone on the lists from Texas going to the Antique engine & tractor show at
the rodeo grounds in Gonzales Saturday?  It's the first annual, so they say.
I'm going for a few hours before I head East Sat. PM.







Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Sep 17 05:37:43 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:37:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Slightly O.T.: Update on Mt. Wilson
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090916185330.03858678@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AB22D97.6050103@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks for the update, Larry.  News websites are absolutely useless for 
giving information after the crisis has passed.

Dolly

Larry Evans wrote:
> The wildfire that threatened Mt. Wilson Observatory started three weeks ago 
> today.  It burned 160,557 acres and is currently 91% contained.  It 
> probably will not be completely "out" until the first good rain.
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep 17 06:42:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,

You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 1000 Engine
Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a mag.  I
think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.

Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over it.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 16, 2009 10:11 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 07:39:42 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:39:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <bee.4dc13d1c.37e372f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>

Tom,
	I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
the wife wasn't around when I did!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





Tommy,
 
Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine  
engine!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

_______________________________________________




From bdb at mchsi.com  Thu Sep 17 08:13:45 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>
References: <cfb.61c963b4.37e371e0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F9B78D389F664647B0E3A51CA727F61D@Buffystoy>

Kevin, I'll send you their email this evening. You'll find what they know 
about the engine interesting.
Barry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Barry hook me up with this guy old pal buddy best friend.
> Kevin K
> BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bdb at mchsi.com writes:
>
> Hi  Tommy... Did you see the little engine at Portland that was basically
> just  like this one? I tried to call Kevin but I forgot about the time 
> zone
>
> difference so maybe he will call me tomorrow. I know the owner of the
> other
> engine and he told me what he knew about it. I think the two engines  are
> only about 60 miles apart. BTW I already tried to buy it and it's not  for
> sale.
> Barry Buchanan
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Sep 17 08:45:53 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:45:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tommy,
> You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 1000 Engine
> Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a mag.  I
> think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.
> Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over it.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Tommy, In the picture
http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 08:49:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:49:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c8e.445094ef.37e3b49a@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/17/2009 10:49:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I've  rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table
 
Tommy,
 

I once poured a rod bearing on the kitchen table using the oven to preheat  
the rod. Of course Millie was not around either!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 09:03:43 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:03:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>



 Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve

>> 

 

 


> Hi Tommy, In the picture
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
> Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Sep 17 09:25:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:25:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2AF0E584@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

This was already answered on SmokStak

" Gesetzlich gesch?tzt (abbreviated Ges. gesch.) means protected by law, patented, copyrighted"

George


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine



 Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve

>> 

 

 


> Hi Tommy, In the picture
> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot read every letter.
> Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for identity!
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
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> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 09:41:26 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
References: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
	<649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.   Try 
>it now.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 09:50:44 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:50:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Antique engine & tractor show in Gonzales TX
Message-ID: <c3b.5d9079eb.37e3c2e4@aol.com>

Arthur-----
     Gee thanks for the Gonzales info---  go thru there all the time 
playing music in a polka band---I also collect old  Stovers!  May try to make that 
one for sure--again, thanks
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Tx


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Sep 17 09:55:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:55:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000><451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><COL112-W6356CB01527AE24F96837995E10@phx.gbl>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2AF0E584@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <000501ca37b7$b9c097b0$42920556@intrepid>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


This was already answered on SmokStak
" Gesetzlich gesch?tzt (abbreviated Ges. gesch.) means protected by law, patented, copyrighted"
George

Thanks George, that clears things for me.
My translation program comes up with  "Legally protected"
when I use the full German words.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:16:07 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <c8e.445094ef.37e3b49a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2A172F9EC640426BADC1C166696A0B21@tommyd0x52gkco>

Tom,
	I had a Webster mag once that I couldn't get to work.  One old
time engine guy told me to make sure it was dry.  He said to put the
oven on about 150 degrees and let it sit for a bit.  Well, I did this.
But, it began to smell like a skunk had relieved himself on the mag
sometime in the past and it was beginning to leach out.....Needless to
say, I didn't get to leave it as long as I planned on.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:50 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine

In a message dated 9/17/2009 10:49:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

I've  rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table
 
Tommy,
 

I once poured a rod bearing on the kitchen table using the oven to
preheat  
the rod. Of course Millie was not around either!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:22:24 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:22:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <20CBE560CC2147EFB794D8A65BFABE0E@tommyd0x52gkco>

You might be right Dave.  Looks like "L I L I.... " to me though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Merchant
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means  gas/ gasoline

> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German.
Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I
cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search
for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>BingT  brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
Try 
>it now.
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 17 10:23:54 2009
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (Bill Grimley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917123910.0ccc6530@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <968752.60044.qm@web180615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here's mention of a European model train company - maybe the mfg.?

http://www.reynaulds.com/liliput.aspx

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com> wrote:

From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 12:41 PM

I read the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:


>? Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering means? gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and decided it had to be German. Steve
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Tommy, In the picture
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
> read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This would help the search for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 10:43:45 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:43:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <968752.60044.qm@web180615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8DFCF14676A46ECA2621932E2A4E7D3@tommyd0x52gkco>



Could be Bill.  Interesting.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Here's mention of a European model train company - maybe the mfg.?

http://www.reynaulds.com/liliput.aspx





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 12:39:57 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:39:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
Message-ID: <6f6025160909171239k2c1d4238k8eb03dd88fb4708@mail.gmail.com>

Got a fellow Beds and Bucks Stationary Engine Club member looking for
a replacement piston for his JD 1-1/2hp engine.

Piston is 3.490" and bore is out to 3.518" so a little slack :-))

Any assistance with suppliers or even direct supply if anyone has one
would be appreciated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Sep 17 13:16:44 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:16:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909171239k2c1d4238k8eb03dd88fb4708@mail.gmail.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>

Beds and Bucks???

What is the going rate for 1 hour vs all night?
Extra charge for kinky stuff?

Dave


At 03:39 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
>Got a fellow Beds and Bucks Stationary Engine Club member looking for
>a replacement piston for his JD 1-1/2hp engine.
>
>Piston is 3.490" and bore is out to 3.518" so a little slack :-))
>
>Any assistance with suppliers or even direct supply if anyone has one
>would be appreciated.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 14:13:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:13:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <bf6.3d63b81c.37e4006b@aol.com>

I would like to thank all for there interest in the engine and trying to  
help out. The correct spelling is 
Liliput. I do no at this time the engine did come with a dynamo for house  
hold electric. Maker and date still unknown. I have been contacted by a man 
from  Switzerland and will be sending photos of a original Liliput with the 
factory  dynamo attached. I have a lot of private emails to respond to. 
Once again thanks
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2009 12:49:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kosh at ncweb.com writes:

I read  the name as "Lilyuit", not "Liliput".

Might help in  searches.

Dave Merchant


At 12:03 PM 9/17/2009, you  wrote:


>  Dave I'm just guessing but I think the lettering  means  gas/ gasoline 
> engine. I saw the other one close up and  decided it had to be German. 
Steve
>
>  >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi  Tommy, In the picture
> >  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
> > It  shows the lettering under Liliput looking very German but I cannot 
>  read every letter.
> > Can it be read by eye at close quarters? This  would help the search 
for 
> identity!
> >
> > Dave  Croft
> > Warrington
> >  http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> >  http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >
> >
>  > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 15:03:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <001101ca37ad$f44b5cd0$42920556@intrepid>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W62FE668A2EA072E50936C595E10@phx.gbl>



 I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > 		 	   		  
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Sep 17 16:14:11 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W62FE668A2EA072E50936C595E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W193D6704275D2E71585A46B4E10@phx.gbl>


Steve;

I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> 
> I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:55:30 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:55:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W193D6704275D2E71585A46B4E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W642F59AAF8CBC7FADDA0E795E10@phx.gbl>


Gee Frank, that's awfully kind of you! Steve
 
> From: marinesurveys at msn.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> Steve;
> 
> I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:00:13 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:00:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <c9a.36ee061a.37e37177@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01ca37f2$ff988780$d0624b47@mikecomp>

True Kevin, but me and Steve take great pleasure in buying Tommy's perfect 
engines, then displaying them with signs that read  "another Tommy Turner 
reject engine."  :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Mike you no the best deals are when you cut out the middle man.  Laughing
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2009 11:19:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> All I  know is that I saw the one at Portland, and it was nce, but this 
> one
> is  FINE.  Tommy, see if you can obtain it so we can trade it out 
> later!!!!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge  Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion  list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September  16, 2009 10:11 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
>
>
>>
>> I  received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is 
>> one
>> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there  knew much
>> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the  manufacturer, approx.
>> date, purpose of an engine this small,  etc.  Thanks!
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>>
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>>
>>
>>  Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:08:49 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:08:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Steve and I never fight over engines.  He buys the really nice and expensive 
ones, then I play with them.  Then eventually, they find their way to my 
house (at a greatly discounted and depreciated rate, of course.  I mean, 
they are USED and all that!).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tommy,
>
> You see a lot of the little 1/8hp and 1/4hp engines at places like the 
> 1000 Engine
> Rally in England.  I think I've seen more of 'em on hot tube than using a 
> mag.  I
> think they were used for light indoor work pre-electric motors.
>
> Neat engine.  I think the Cloistered Oyster Brothers need to fight over 
> it.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, September 16, 2009 10:11 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>> I received these photos from fellow SEL member Kevin Kusel.  This is one
>> neat little engine.  Kevin was curious if anyone out there knew much
>> about one of these.  Anyone have info such as the manufacturer, approx.
>> date, purpose of an engine this small, etc.  Thanks!
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251168303194322
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251288965384242
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251294684062706
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc#5382251302218559458
>
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Sep 17 17:16:31 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:16:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
References: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I cooked an engine head in the stove one time to get the valves out.  What's 
that smell??????


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Liliput Engine


> Tom,
> I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
> the wife wasn't around when I did!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>
> Tommy,
>
> Looks like he keeps it on his kitchen table.  A great place for a fine
> engine!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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>
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Sep 17 18:19:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:19:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca37f2$ff988780$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <95FD40015454414B8B5A39D52BC4F2C0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

And laughing all the time about how the skinned that old hillbilly!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,KY





True Kevin, but me and Steve take great pleasure in buying Tommy's
perfect 
engines, then displaying them with signs that read  "another Tommy
Turner 
reject engine."  :)





From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Sep 17 18:40:25 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:40:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <c99.541124fc.37e43f09@aol.com>

For some reason I just don't think old Tommy T is giving any  quality 
engines up down there.  Be dammed if I am going down there to get  skinned.  
PS Tommy the Cavanaugh & Darley will be at Coolsprings next  month. 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2009 9:29:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

And  laughing all the time about how the skinned that old hillbilly!

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia,KY





True Kevin, but me and Steve take  great pleasure in buying Tommy's
perfect 
engines, then displaying them  with signs that read  "another Tommy
Turner 
reject engine."   :)



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 19:50:35 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
Message-ID: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>

Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I had any idea of what the problem might be.

I had him check a few things and from his responses it is getting gas but is not firing. He tells me it has a Model-T buzz coil and battery ignition.

I had him make sure his battery was hot, to check all of his wiring and connections and to check the points on the buzz coil to see if they needed cleaning.

I had not heard back him for a couple of days but today he sent me another message saying that he had checked all of the wiring, checked his battery and it was hot and he had gently filed his points on the buzz coil.

Does anyone have any other ideas I can share with this man to try and help him get it started?

Paul


From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Sep 17 20:28:29 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:28:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
In-Reply-To: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
Message-ID: <1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Get a new buzzcoil??


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I had any idea of what the problem might be.

I had him check a few things and from his responses it is getting gas but is not firing. He tells me it has a Model-T buzz coil and battery ignition.

I had him make sure his battery was hot, to check all of his wiring and connections and to check the points on the buzz coil to see if they needed cleaning.

I had not heard back him for a couple of days but today he sent me another message saying that he had checked all of the wiring, checked his battery and it was hot and he had gently filed his points on the buzz coil.

Does anyone have any other ideas I can share with this man to try and help him get it started?

Paul
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 21:08:51 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:08:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
	<1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <F0391D50AA104FCC8C626F9918918CC9@PAUL>

Is there a way that these coils can be checked out? Also, I know when I had 
my Model-T's the coil would buzz on the firing stroke and I assume the same 
should happen when the Dishpan is on it's firing stroke, correct? I have 
never used a Buzz coil on an engine. Also can someone send me a correct 
wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Get a new buzzcoil??


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:50:35
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


Come on guys I cannot believe that I put out a request for help a few days 
ago in regards to this dishpan engine and did not get a single response from 
my engine gang, maybe the message did not go out to everyone so I am going 
to repeat it.

A gentleman contacted me via e-mail, he is a local as he used a local forum, 
but I have no idea who he is. He told me he had FM Dishpan engine that ran 
fine about three months ago but now it will now run. He wanted to know if I 
had any idea of what the problem might be.

I 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 23:37:01 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:37:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1-1/2hp piston availability?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090917161526.0ce37be0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909172337m29435027y6946a1a2a8e354bc@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/17 Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>:
> Beds and Bucks???
>
> What is the going rate for 1 hour vs all night?
> Extra charge for kinky stuff?
>
> Dave

Special discounts for OAP's.... :-))

Peter
-- 
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Sep 18 00:57:07 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:57:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <07C9E46580684081AE7C9899F49AAFC5@DBTOA000>
	<006901ca37f5$4b4e7a70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <4AB33D53.8020101@insulate.co.uk>

The head of Jim's Petter Atomic was in my oven overnight.  Not my fault 
that the food tasted a bit wierd for a couple of days!
We also had the R&V pindstriped on the kitchen table, the halfscale F-M 
Eclipse used to live in the kitchen ... We now have a glass-fronted 
dresser in the dining room to properly display a stirling engine and our 
Regimota!

Dolly

Mike Royster wrote:
> I cooked an engine head in the stove one time to get the valves out.  What's 
> that smell??????
>
>
> -

-- 
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Sep 18 03:35:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:35:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hauling help
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W642F59AAF8CBC7FADDA0E795E10@phx.gbl>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6ED84B3200367BD9B0232B4E00@phx.gbl>


Well steve;

It is a long way & the fuel cost & all,

But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'd still haul it to Wilm. for free ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:55:30 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> 
> 
> Gee Frank, that's awfully kind of you! Steve
> 
> > From: marinesurveys at msn.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:11 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > 
> > 
> > Steve;
> > 
> > I'll haul it to Wilmington for free ;-}
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:51 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hauling help
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have a 4 hp vertical that needs hauling from the Asheville,NC area to Coolspring for the swap meet. Anyone from this area going that could haul it for its new owner? Thanks Steve
> > > > > 
> > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 18 04:06:54 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:06:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
In-Reply-To: <F0391D50AA104FCC8C626F9918918CC9@PAUL>
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL>
	<1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W28875ACBD1A108361D4E55C8E00@phx.gbl>


http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

============================
 
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> 
> Also can someone send me a correct 
> wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?
> 
> Paul
> 
 		 	   		  
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 05:00:56 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:00:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
Message-ID: <c8d.507a7e22.37e4d078@aol.com>

Paul,
 
If a spark plug engine (that was running) will not fire with a buzz coil  
that "buzzes", then he either has a bad spark plug or gas.  Unless  something 
major has happened like timing, something broken, etc.  Buzz  coils have 
internal condensers that will go bad, etc., and they will not  "buzz". Or like 
someone said, the points will stick. They are  cheap $15-$25 and if not 
buzzing and the owner knows nothing about them, find  another one that works.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Sep 18 05:03:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:03:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         The radiator on my Lister 5/1 is pretty dirty on the outside - 
layers of soot, grime and even some paint and I'm looking at ways to clean it.
         I know that the best would be take it to the local radiator shop 
and have them do it in an acid bath but I'm over budget (and broke :-)) on 
this engine already and would like to explore ways of doing it myself.

         What acid to the radiator repair shops use and at what 
concentration and temperature (room temp maybe)?

         How long should it stay in the acid?

         Apart from the usual safety precautions (Do as you aughter - add 
the acid to the water!) are there any other precautions I should take - 
more for the sake of the radiators safety than mine :-)

  Bear in mind it is a 1953 engine so the radiator it is made of brass, 
copper, solder and a pressed steel frame - not a modern aluminium radiator.

         Although I do want to clean the inside (core) I am more concerned 
about how to get the outside clean. The cooling fins are in reasonable 
condition (nothing that I cannot fix in an hour or so with a pair of flat 
nose pliers).

         I do have a drum of phosphoric acid but am not sure if it would be 
right for this use (but would save me buying other acid).

         Thanks in advance for any help.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 05:31:00 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <4DDC19B318754A7DBB7DF1120DB7E3A8@PAUL><1428305229-1253244714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-711427794-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<SNT118-W28875ACBD1A108361D4E55C8E00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF6F43D40CC544FB917B53F2CC5632F6@PAUL>

Thanks Luke,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine



http://www.old-engine.com/magbuz.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA

============================

> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>
> Also can someone send me a correct
> wiring diagram for the Model-T buzz coil hookup to the Dishpan?
>
> Paul
>

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 18 05:33:50 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:33:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine
References: <c8d.507a7e22.37e4d078@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED08E0140F29409B94BA90F743171CDC@PAUL>

Thanks Tom,  I have a nice Buzz Coil that Ted Brookover had rebuilt and sold 
me, before he passed away,  that I will let the man have, this should fix 
his problem.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Engine


> Paul,
>
> If a spark plug engine (that was running) will not fire with a buzz coil
> that "buzzes", then he either has a bad spark plug or gas.  Unless 
> something
> major has happened like timing, something broken, etc.  Buzz  coils have
> internal condensers that will go bad, etc., and they will not  "buzz". Or 
> like
> someone said, the points will stick. They are  cheap $15-$25 and if not
> buzzing and the owner knows nothing about them, find  another one that 
> works.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Sep 18 05:36:28 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090918133229.01f10960@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1385.165.206.180.130.1253277388.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

OVEN CLEANER for the outside.
Let it sit in the sun to get it warm, spray on cleaner, follow directions
on the can. I've cleaned some car engines and other nasty parts I was
prepping for rebuilds that way.

I don't like acids for cleaning grease and grime, personally.


> Hi All,
>          The radiator on my Lister 5/1 is pretty dirty on the outside -
> layers of soot, grime and even some paint and I'm looking at ways to clean
> it.
>          I know that the best would be take it to the local radiator shop
> and have them do it in an acid bath but I'm over budget (and broke :-)) on
> this engine already and would like to explore ways of doing it myself.
>
>          What acid to the radiator repair shops use and at what
> concentration and temperature (room temp maybe)?
>
>          How long should it stay in the acid?
>
>          Apart from the usual safety precautions (Do as you aughter - add
> the acid to the water!) are there any other precautions I should take -
> more for the sake of the radiators safety than mine :-)
>
>   Bear in mind it is a 1953 engine so the radiator it is made of brass,
> copper, solder and a pressed steel frame - not a modern aluminium
> radiator.
>
>          Although I do want to clean the inside (core) I am more concerned
> about how to get the outside clean. The cooling fins are in reasonable
> condition (nothing that I cannot fix in an hour or so with a pair of flat
> nose pliers).
>
>          I do have a drum of phosphoric acid but am not sure if it would
> be
> right for this use (but would save me buying other acid).
>
>          Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Sep 18 07:23:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:23:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <1385.165.206.180.130.1253277388.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill & Jerry:

I was about to suggest the oven cleaner.  It contains sodium hydroxide that will remove paint if concentrated enough.  Sodium Hydroxide (commonly known as "lye") is also the chemical that engine rebuilders use to dip engine parts in to clean them.  It removes the paint, grease and rust.

One thing though.  If you use either the oven cleaner (not very strong) or the lye (VERY strong and will eat the skin off of you!), be sure to thoroughly rinse the articles afterward then paint or oil all steel surfaces immediately.  Steel will rust very quickly after a lye bath.

Mild acid will remove lime or scale from the inside of the radiator but will not do much to paint or grease.

Good luck and be careful!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> bill at antique-engines.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 07:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
> 
> 
> OVEN CLEANER for the outside.
> Let it sit in the sun to get it warm, spray on 
> cleaner, follow directions
> on the can. I've cleaned some car engines and 
> other nasty parts I was
> prepping for rebuilds that way.
> 
> I don't like acids for cleaning grease and grime, 
> personally.




From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Sep 18 08:51:19 2009
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:51:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Radiator cleaning question.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <web-561742967@mail.hal-pc.org>

Jerry,

I have a very old (late 20s) Caterpillar radiator that had 60 plus 
years of mostly oil and dirt built up so thick on the lower part of 
the radiator that the fins were not visible. It was cooling ok but 
looked like hell. The former owner didn't bother to remove this prior 
to repainting, so there was a layer of paint to cap the oil/dirt 
mixture.

I removed the dirt down to fin level with a scraper which got me below 
paint and then applied several applications of a strong Chevron engine 
degreaser followed by a car wash pressure sprayer set on pressured hot 
soap. I didn't find the car wash "engine degreaser" option as 
effective as my bottle of spray degreaser after sitting for awhile and 
before hitting it with the hot car wash spray. My final application of 
compressed air took care of the bigger pieces wedged down in the fin 
area. The whole thing looks pretty good now.

Ultimately, I may have spent as much money using this technique as 
bringing to a commercial radiator shop, but I was careful not to bang 
the old radiator around causing more damage and it was (a lot of 
fun??).

Good luck,

Tom


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 18 09:01:43 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:01:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
Message-ID: <BAY127-W60ACD78DFF2C71CC78A2CCBE00@phx.gbl>


"Tom,
	I've rebuilt mags, carbs, etc on the kitchen table.... of course
the wife wasn't around when I did!
 
Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY"

And when the tools are thoroughly greasy, there's nothing like a trip through the dishwasher! 
Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep 18 15:00:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Liliput Engine
In-Reply-To: <004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <649E528A9F25457E99589F34EFBE0EE0@DBTOA000>
	<451bc86db0e18fa80b9131a514e1915c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<004c01ca37f4$32e2c230$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <c0d778384b56874d41f0f351bdc0f0a2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bless his heart...

On Thu, September 17, 2009 8:08 pm, Mike Royster wrote:
> Steve and I never fight over engines.  He buys the really nice and expensive
> ones, then I play with them.  Then eventually, they find their way to my
> house (at a greatly discounted and depreciated rate, of course.  I mean,
> they are USED and all that!).
>




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 01:55:46 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:55:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 20 05:17:57 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:17:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01ca39ec$635b18a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

A stellar job Patrick, I feel like I was there after viewing the photos. 
Thanks for posting!

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:55 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics


> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Sep 20 10:20:10 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:20:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <000301ca3a16$9cd840b0$42920556@intrepid>

I discovered their web site yesterday, (http://www.nmes.org/)  & after
chatting with their secretary was invited to visit which I did today.
Their next full working days are the 2nd & 3rd of January but they are
working on the engines on Wednesdays & Sundays & allow visitors with
similar interests. I really enjoyed the trip & have posted the pictures.
See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Sep 20 12:19:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:19:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <c2b.3d719d96.37e7da39@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/20/2009 12:32:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#


Beautiful pics--- and thanks!
    Stan Zettner
    Pleasanton,  Tex       old Stovers  etc


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 20 12:55:27 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:55:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
References: <000301ca3a16$9cd840b0$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002401ca3a2c$4cd993a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Nice and unusual too, good shots.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum


>I discovered their web site yesterday, (http://www.nmes.org/)  & after
> chatting with their secretary was invited to visit which I did today.
> Their next full working days are the 2nd & 3rd of January but they are
> working on the engines on Wednesdays & Sundays & allow visitors with
> similar interests. I really enjoyed the trip & have posted the pictures.
> See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/BoltonSteamMuseum#
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 20 15:09:20 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:09:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Bolton Steam Engine Museum
Message-ID: <d60.585f89dc.37e80210@aol.com>

Dave,
 
What a great place to have visited.  I expect you will be going back  on 
the working days!
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From camaned at iinet.net.au  Mon Sep 21 03:17:40 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:17:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A29B54AB0B04C99A176C48EF384C177@CamPC>

Thanks very much for the pics, you didn't waste any time.
Cam.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 21 03:48:24 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:48:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
References: <C6C9E559.25C3%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6A29B54AB0B04C99A176C48EF384C177@CamPC>
Message-ID: <8009EFFA8AAB40C98968AC260482A222@Edd>

Very Good mate.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cam Grundy" <camaned at iinet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics


> Thanks very much for the pics, you didn't waste any time.
> Cam.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:16 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Pics
> 
> 
>> Some pics from this weekend's Rusty Iron Rally
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri09/index.htm
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Sep 21 07:58:54 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:58:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wow!  Really nice pictures and you took enough that you really got a feel for what was on display at the show.

I really liked that French engine although I couldn't figure out what sort of ignition system it had.  I'd love to have that engine in my collection as all my French engines are verticals.

George

Ps.  What did Kerry have at the show?

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Sep 21 14:38:22 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:38:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <C6DC2B32.2852%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2B0DE381@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BC83BAC3882745E68BE9FE4F2178FE03@KerryPC>

G'Day George

Took the Austral Hopper Cooled I bought of Peter 2 weeks ago.
got her sorted out and she will now start on first bounce
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/pages/DSCF3444_JPG.htm

As always Patrick has done a fantastic Job.

The French engine is
Rejou Lerouge & co

Paris

No 232 Type B6

Hot tube engine believed the only one to survive

Built 1900



Missing several bits



Kerry Oz


>>
> I really liked that French engine although I couldn't figure out what sort 
> of ignition system it had.  I'd love to have that engine in my collection 
> as all my French engines are verticals.
>
> George
>
> Ps.  What did Kerry have at the show?
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 22 10:03:30 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:03:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1253635202.26180.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190000.01efdb38@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 22/09/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:38:22 +1000
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sydney Rally Pics
>
>G'Day George
>
>Took the Austral Hopper Cooled I bought of Peter 2 weeks ago.
>got her sorted out and she will now start on first bounce
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc09/pages/DSCF3444_JPG.htm

<snip>
>Kerry Oz

That's beautiful Kerry,
         Is that finish "as found" (but cleaned) or is there oil or 
something else applied?

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Sep 22 11:07:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:07:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190507.00c00510@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         After a record number of posts (for recent times) on the SEL list 
about 3 days ago suddenly all is quiet! Oldengine is the same.

         For want of anything engine related to say, I've been busy 
repairing the front end of my pickup, which had an unfortunate meeting with 
a small antelope about a year ago - (unfortunate for the antelope that 
is!). For the pickup it just involved a plastic body part and repaint of 
the front bumper, valance, covers and "bull bar".

         Enginewise, I've been busy spraying primer onto all the "bits" of 
the Lister 5/1 and yesterday a friend helped me strip and clean the diesel 
pump and injector  - apart from being a bit "gelled" all was well. He did 
his apprenticeship on diesels so is well qualified to help me (who knows 
very little about diesel but is learning fast!)

         He is coming back in a few days and we will set up one of the 
injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that he gave me 
when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump. I'm really 
looking forward to the experience (and knowledge).

         I'm working toward having the engine running at it's first engine 
day (rally) at Neville Botha's open day which is the last Saturday of 
November. Some of you may remember that I actually found 2 of these engines 
- the other went to George Botha (no relation to Neville) who is arguably 
our South African Lister expert. George and I decided to restore them 
identically (as far as possible) and show them together at rallies that we 
both attend. I mentioned "as far as possible" - although these 2 engines 
were supplied to our South African Railways workshops at the same time 
(1953) there are 2 differences - his has an "oil bath" air cleaner and mine 
has an element type. The silencers are also different but apart from that 
they are identical - I think that they will look really good standing next 
to each other at a show!.
         Just imagine - 2 engines made in 1953 that spent their lives 
together doing the same job - now "retired" and in preservation also 
together (almost).
All for now.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 22 11:28:09 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:28:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
Message-ID: <d6a.4eaa1336.37ea7139@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/22/2009 2:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

He is coming back in a few days and we will set up  one of the 
injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that  he gave me 
when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump.  I'm really 
looking forward to the experience (and  knowledge).


Jerry,
 
Maybe you should post a picture or two of the calibrator and process  for 
those of us that have never done it either.
 
I have been putting my screen cooled Famous back together today that I have 
 had apart since last winter when I had some cylinder/piston machining work 
done  to it.  With all the piping/etc., it is like a jigsaw.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Sep 22 12:58:51 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:58:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090922155512.0cf0d6a0@ncweb.com>

I have recently posted some kinda neat engines on Youtube,
a nice little Lister, and a 100+ Hp Cooper-Bessemer.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SteamCrane&view=videos

Have a bit more to post soon from the Wellington OH show.

Dave Merchant

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 22 14:23:40 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:23:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090922212349.2C75D302919@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Frank, How did you do on Ebay? It looked like a nice oiler. Cya, Jimmy 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator


Hell folks;

 

I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine

and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison

that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.

 

Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know

 

              Tks & B,Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 22 14:48:55 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:48:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
In-Reply-To: <20090922212349.2C75D302919@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W8558BCBCA761D09558079B4E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL106-W1128111DCCB1676A0B5ED1B4DC0@phx.gbl>


Jimmy;

It was for a friend, I quit looking @ $440.00 & deleted it lol

I got an E-Mail this AM that said it was way to rich for his blood.

 

               Thanks 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:23:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> Hi Frank, How did you do on Ebay? It looked like a nice oiler. Cya, Jimmy 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: [SEL] Steam engine lubricator
> 
> 
> Hell folks;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend that setting up a new Navy Type "K" steam engine
> 
> and is looking for a 6 or 8 position lubricator, like the kipps or madison
> 
> that was on large stationary or marine diesel engines years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone witih one or a lead on one, please let me know
> 
> 
> 
> Tks & B,Rgds
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 22 15:44:49 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:44:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everybody ?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190507.00c00510@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <092220092244.14564.4AB9536100048EAB000038E4223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Jerry,
Are you still duplicating serial plates for engines?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>: -------------- 


> Hi All, 
> After a record number of posts (for recent times) on the SEL list 
> about 3 days ago suddenly all is quiet! Oldengine is the same. 
> 
> For want of anything engine related to say, I've been busy 
> repairing the front end of my pickup, which had an unfortunate meeting with 
> a small antelope about a year ago - (unfortunate for the antelope that 
> is!). For the pickup it just involved a plastic body part and repaint of 
> the front bumper, valance, covers and "bull bar". 
> 
> Enginewise, I've been busy spraying primer onto all the "bits" of 
> the Lister 5/1 and yesterday a friend helped me strip and clean the diesel 
> pump and injector - apart from being a bit "gelled" all was well. He did 
> his apprenticeship on diesels so is well qualified to help me (who knows 
> very little about diesel but is learning fast!) 
> 
> He is coming back in a few days and we will set up one of the 
> injector calibrators (is that the correct name for them) that he gave me 
> when he retired and we will calibrate the injector and pump. I'm really 
> looking forward to the experience (and knowledge). 
> 
> I'm working toward having the engine running at it's first engine 
> day (rally) at Neville Botha's open day which is the last Saturday of 
> November. Some of you may remember that I actually found 2 of these engines 
> - the other went to George Botha (no relation to Neville) who is arguably 
> our South African Lister expert. George and I decided to restore them 
> identically (as far as possible) and show them together at rallies that we 
> both attend. I mentioned "as far as possible" - although these 2 engines 
> were supplied to our South African Railways workshops at the same time 
> (1953) there are 2 differences - his has an "oil bath" air cleaner and mine 
> has an element type. The silencers are also different but apart from that 
> they are identical - I think that they will look really good standing next 
> to each other at a show!. 
> Just imagine - 2 engines made in 1953 that spent their lives 
> together doing the same job - now "retired" and in preservation also 
> together (almost). 
> All for now. 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down) 
> Jerry Evans 
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. 
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: 
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 22 19:15:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:15:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090922155512.0cf0d6a0@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEIGIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

I love those big 2-cycle Diesels!  Especially if they've got short straight pipes on 'em!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave
> Merchant
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 02:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Youtube engines




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 23 02:00:10 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:00:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] East coast of Oz in darkness due to dust storm
Message-ID: <96BE4EDEE06D4BD190DC715851FA91A9@peterlowe>

East Cost of Oz darkened by huge dust storm, worst for 70 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rch-idwM5E

http://www.abc.net.au/local/videos/2009/09/22/2693489.htm?site=brokenhill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlD22HwPvI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WRT4akgPW8

From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 24 12:52:41 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090922190000.01efdb38@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <397637.66851.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

TO;? NO. AMERICAN CREW
FROM: BILL YOUNG IN JAPAN
RE: MAG & IGNITER

MY GOOD BUDDY, KOBAYASHI, CAME TO ME FOR HELP LOCATING A? A MAG & IGNITER FOR HIS "WASHINGTON" ENGINE.? NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME, I PULLED OUT MY WENDELL'S.? NO WASHINGTON, BUT KOBAYASHI DID RECOGNIZE WORTHINGTON.
? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN FIND AND PURCHASE A MAG AND IGNITER FOR A WORTHINGTON 2.5 H.P.?
?? THANKS, BILL





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 15:19:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:19:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <397637.66851.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090924221951.DB7203028CC@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Mr. Young, sorry I don't know of any for sale ,now, But According to
Wendle' note book ,your looking for a Webster bracket # 303 M68 B and a AMM
mag. Good luck! Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Young
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:53 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE

TO;? NO. AMERICAN CREW
FROM: BILL YOUNG IN JAPAN
RE: MAG & IGNITER

MY GOOD BUDDY, KOBAYASHI, CAME TO ME FOR HELP LOCATING A? A MAG & IGNITER
FOR HIS "WASHINGTON" ENGINE.? NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THAT NAME, I PULLED
OUT MY WENDELL'S.? NO WASHINGTON, BUT KOBAYASHI DID RECOGNIZE WORTHINGTON.
? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE I CAN FIND AND PURCHASE A MAG AND
IGNITER FOR A WORTHINGTON 2.5 H.P.?
?? THANKS, BILL



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From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 24 17:27:41 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] MAG & IGNIGHTER FOR Worthington 2.5hp ENGINE
In-Reply-To: <20090924221951.DB7203028CC@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <930792.55144.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

JIMMY-SAN,? THANK YOU.? WHEN MAIL COMES ADDRESSED TO MR. YOUNG, I THINK IT IS FOR MY FATHER.? PLEASE CALL ME BILL.? YES, I EXPECT FINDING THE MAG AND IGNITER WILL BE BOTH DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE.? BUT I TOLD MY JAPANESE BUDDY I WOULD GIVE IT A SHOT WITH MY ENGINE FRIENDS ON THIS NET.? BILL




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Sep 25 18:36:42 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:36:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Babbittrite
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS285CF8BDE16303825FE00BBD80@phx.gbl>

Gang, what am I doing wrong?  I dam both end of a 7" lower main bearing, get 
it hot and the first thing to pull away from the seal is the babbittrite. 
Using a blowtorch, not a Rosebud.  I've had better results with Play-dough 
and Plumbers putty.

TIA,
RickinMt. 



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Sep 25 19:29:00 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:29:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbittrite
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS285CF8BDE16303825FE00BBD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090925222900.9HSKE.5824435.root@mp14>


---- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote: 
> Gang, what am I doing wrong?  I dam both end of a 7" lower main bearing, get 
> it hot and the first thing to pull away from the seal is the babbittrite. 
> Using a blowtorch, not a Rosebud.  I've had better results with Play-dough 
> and Plumbers putty.
> 
> TIA,
> RickinMt. 
> 
Rick, had the same problem myself. It helps if you can wrap it around the shaft and stick it to itself, pile it on in a heavy mound. I like to use RTV sealer, it's messy to get off, but it won't leak. You don't have to wait for it to cure, just let it tack up a little bit.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Sep 25 21:06:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:06:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
Message-ID: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 21:29:23 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:29:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy O'Hagan
Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:06 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Sep 25 21:55:43 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:55:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ca3e65$9abd0ba0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Jim

Copy the last line 067dvK47_BwwE# and add it to the end of the picasaweb
address.  That's what I did and it worked.

Ron
Canberra

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2009 2:29 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy O'Hagan
Novato,Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:06 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures

Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
Thirteen pictures are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
O67dvK47_BwwE#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Sep 25 21:56:06 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:56:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090926042932.11E2E4C8CFB@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <37EE721C-995E-4A87-AFC9-386E1C5230A1@rustyiron.com>

The software chopped up the URL.
Try this:  http://tinyurl.com/yeo5xum

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Hi Ron, I'm receiving a 500 internal server failure. Help! Jimmy  
> O'Hagan
> Novato,Ca.
>
> Jim O'Hagan


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 26 04:41:12 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:41:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
References: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <7813A9D3A7F642609CD8F4D360A33020@PAUL>

Nice pictures Ron, thanks for posting them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rdhaskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures


> Hi all.  Last Sunday my local club WAPA ( Western Antique Power
> Associated) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raiser
> for their Rose Parade float, Cruz'n For Roses Car Show.  About a dozen of
> us took engines and displayed on the street in the middle of the cars.
> Thirteen pictures are up at:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCM
> O67dvK47_BwwE#
> 
> 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Sep 26 07:50:00 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:50:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show  pictures
In-Reply-To: <20090925.210655.25779.254007@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEJLIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Try this:

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SPasadenaShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMO67dvK47_BwwE#

If it all comes out on one line, it will go.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of rdhaskell
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] South Pasadena show pictures




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Sep 26 13:16:22 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
Message-ID: <ba8da761e97fdfa6303c2845aa4bfbb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A few weeks ago I had an email from a bloke who was looking for info on Fero air
compressors and ran across my website.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/fero.htm

It turns out his father had died and the son was in the process of cleaning out the
garage and wanted to sell the compressor.  Pictures were looked at, a price was
agreed on and pickup was arranged for this morning.  Here's a pic of the compressor
as found...

http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Fero_Air_Pump/Fero_Air_Pump.jpg

The best part is the house with the compressor was less than five miles from where I
live!  The father had purchased it from a former Gulf gasoline station that was
going out of business.  My wife even knew his mother from time they spent in PTA
together.  Small world 'eh?

The compressor condition is amazing; original finish, original decal, it looks like
all the external parts are there and it appears to have good compression.  The motor
is a modern Dayton replacement.

Now if it will just quit chucking down rain I can get the trailer unloaded!

I'm a VERY happy camper.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Sep 26 18:40:13 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
In-Reply-To: <ba8da761e97fdfa6303c2845aa4bfbb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>


Congratulations Arnie, glad it made it's way home. You need to find a period motor for it.
J.B. Castagnos
Bele Rose, LA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Sep 27 02:37:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:37:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Earlier in the week someone asked me to post the info when I had 
finished calibrating the diesel injector for the Lister 5/1.

         Page and pics here, I hope it is useful.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm>



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 06:25:14 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:25:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <c1f.6afbd35f.37f0c1ba@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 5:40:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Earlier  in the week someone asked me to post the info when I had 
finished  calibrating the diesel injector for the Lister 5/1


 
Pretty simple operation.
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 06:49:04 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:49:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
Message-ID: <d31.56953a5d.37f0c750@aol.com>

Jerry,
Many thanks to you and your friend for taking the time to document  your 
diesel injector timing procedure.  Even though I don't have a diesel  engine, 
I found that your article was very informative.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 2:40:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Page and  pics here, I hope it is  useful.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm>   






From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 06:57:10 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 08:09:06 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:09:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

VERY interesting!  As a side note, I have a friend up North who once, in a fit of foolishness, decided to work on a General Motors 5.9 liter Diesel.  This was the engine that was notorious for breaking internal parts.

One of the things he did was to collect a lot of the non-adjustable injectors and sort them according to cracking pressure.  He didn't have one of those fancy rigs so he just used a pump grease gun filled with Diesel fuel and a hydraulic pressure gauge.  He said it worked fine!

It wasn't much later that he abandoned the idea that the GM 5.9 was a good engine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 04:38 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>          Earlier in the week someone asked me to 
> post the info when I had 
> finished calibrating the diesel injector for the 
> Lister 5/1.
> 
>          Page and pics here, I hope it is useful.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/calibrate.htm


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htmhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 07:07:12 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:07:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>


Curt;

Are you saying that the valves are in cages ?

 

                    B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000
> Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
> 
> Hi All,
> My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage. Sure could use some help and ideas.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 07:31:28 2009
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket. it is important to tighten the three bolts evenly.? skip

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:57 AM


Hi All,
My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.? So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.? We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.? Timing is right on.? By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.? Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.? Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.? All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.???Sure could use? some help and ideas.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



      

From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 07:41:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:41:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
skipl130 at yahoo.com writes:

on mine,  there is a copper & asbestos gasket


Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Sep 27 07:42:18 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:42:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>

Curt, its been a while since I had my H but can you center light up in 
the intake and then take out the igniter and see if you can see it? When 
you are talking that the surfaces are true, did you ck with a straight 
edge or did you try a flat file? Another thought is its cracked up 
inside and when you tighten it the crack opens up. Hope not!! Doug T

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Hi All,
> My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
>
>   



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Sep 27 10:00:59 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>


Curt, if you can see the back side of the intake, you could fill the cylinder with diesel or kero, bring it up on compression and hold it, watch for leaks.
J.B. Castagnos


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 27 10:28:24 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:28:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090927113136.00bf82c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

C'mon Elden, it was a 5.7L and once 1982 rolled around, they were 
damn reliable engines!  I've owned two of them that went past 200,000 miles!!

You should be revoked of your "diesel-nut" card for that!  ;-)

-Tony



At 10:09 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry:
>
>VERY interesting!  As a side note, I have a friend up North who 
>once, in a fit of foolishness, decided to work on a General Motors 
>5.9 liter Diesel.  This was the engine that was notorious for 
>breaking internal parts.
>
>One of the things he did was to collect a lot of the non-adjustable 
>injectors and sort them according to cracking pressure.  He didn't 
>have one of those fancy rigs so he just used a pump grease gun 
>filled with Diesel fuel and a hydraulic pressure gauge.  He said it 
>worked fine!
>
>It wasn't much later that he abandoned the idea that the GM 5.9 was 
>a good engine.



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 17:49:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:49:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Group:

The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the Club or give you an email address to send it to.

Thanks! 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 27 18:03:12 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:03:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:

I was wrong about the engine displacement but right that it was a hunk of junk, at least the earlier "glossed over" gas 350's.  I've seen lots of them with broken pistons, cracked cylinder walls, broken crankshafts, etc.

As a result of that, I don't think I ever knew that the design had an epiphany.  I thought it was simply junked and a totaly new engine was born.

AND I will not willingly give up my "Diesel Freak" card or even my "Clag Card"!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
> 
> 
> C'mon Elden, it was a 5.7L and once 1982 rolled 
> around, they were 
> damn reliable engines!  I've owned two of them 
> that went past 200,000 miles!!
> 
> You should be revoked of your "diesel-nut" card 
> for that!  ;-)
> 
> -Tony




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Sep 27 17:19:28 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:19:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000501ca3fd1$5bfcf660$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine


> Group:
> The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you 
> has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the 
> Club or give you an email address to send it to.
> Thanks!  Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

Hi Elden, probably not clear enough but I have put one on
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#5386305451622958786
I hope this helps!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Sep 27 18:10:05 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:10:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <0KQN00BS94JC4A70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

The biggest problem with the early ones (1977-81) was the 
Roosa-Master injection pumps and lack of any fuel/water 
separator.  They would get water in them and the pump would rust 
internally, causing timing problems.  That's why you see so many with 
broken cranks, pistons, etc.  The pumps would get out of time and the 
injectors would fire too early and cause all kind of internal 
havoc.  Another weak spot was their use of "torque to yield" head 
bolts (stretch bolts).  When the car's would come in with blown head 
gaskets, the mechanics would mill the block and re-use the head 
bolts, thus ensuring another blown gasket in the near future.  The 
final nail in the coffin was their use of flat tappet cams that were 
just not up to the heavy duty task of a diesel, and would round off 
pretty frequently.  Most of the bugs were worked out with the 
introduction of the DX block in 1982 (replacing the original D 
block).  The DX block used a heavy duty roller cam, better head 
bolts, and they also replaced the crapola Rossa-Master pump with a 
Bosch and installed water separators.

It was too late though, as the public had already seen the carnage 
caused by the early ones, and wanted nothing to do with them.  They 
finally quit offering the option in 1985.  Basically, it was an 
engine that should have spent 2-3 more years in the R&D 
department.  Once all the bugs were worked out, they were a very 
reliable diesel.

Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4

Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find another 350 diesel to 
tinker with!! ;-)

-Tony



At 08:03 PM 9/27/2009, you wrote:
>Tony:
>
>I was wrong about the engine displacement but right that it was a 
>hunk of junk, at least the earlier "glossed over" gas 350's.  I've 
>seen lots of them with broken pistons, cracked cylinder walls, 
>broken crankshafts, etc.
>
>As a result of that, I don't think I ever knew that the design had 
>an epiphany.  I thought it was simply junked and a totaly new engine was born.
>
>AND I will not willingly give up my "Diesel Freak" card or even my 
>"Clag Card"!    :-)



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 27 19:27:18 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:27:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another Fero Air Pump Followed Me Home
In-Reply-To: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>
References: <20090926214013.1F377.793548.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <77BE4C2E-ACD7-4495-933F-7D5D40AB95A9@me.com>

Hi Arnie, I think I have one in the barn. Remind me to look!
	Dave

On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:40 PM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:

>
> Congratulations Arnie, glad it made it's way home. You need to find  
> a period motor for it.
> J.B. Castagnos
> Bele Rose, LA
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 27 21:26:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:26:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND 09
In-Reply-To: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>
References: <FE9DA810B0064042BD61E4166458E524@gilbert0cd4c7f>
Message-ID: <793B08F7-88C0-46BA-A3CD-03DF6190D0CB@me.com>

I'm not sure about whet you say John. EVERY time Russ FARTED IN PUBLIC  
(which was OFTEN) he quickly said "My father taughr me that!"

	Dave

On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:27 PM, sumron wrote:

> Hi all that were lucky enough to be at Portland,
>
> Certainly looks like Russell made us in OZ , PROUD, as he sure seems  
> to have left his mark, ( re, girlie engines)  and I just know he  
> cant get home quick enough to have a REAL BEER .
> I take no responsibility for his ( if any ) bad behaviour, blame his  
> mother for that ,
>
> cheers all, John


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:21:17 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:21:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<4ABF79CA.2050300@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <092820091121.12853.4AC09C2D0006371200003235223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yes Doug, we did have ignitor off and examined it for cracks as well as checking the mating surfice with a straight edge rule.  We also tried different thicknesses of gasket material which did help somewhat but if we tightened the three nuts down the damn blow by continued.  
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>: -------------- 


> Curt, its been a while since I had my H but can you center light up in 
> the intake and then take out the igniter and see if you can see it? When 
> you are talking that the surfaces are true, did you ck with a straight 
> edge or did you try a flat file? Another thought is its cracked up 
> inside and when you tighten it the crack opens up. Hope not!! Doug T 
> 
> cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> > Hi All, > My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in 
> place.........the blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage 
> of the intake and engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one 
> of these engines or had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and 
> the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of 
> warpage. Sure could use some help and ideas. 
> > Thank you in advance. 
> > Curt Andree 
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:28:34 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <092820091128.22273.4AC09DE2000E97D800005701223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Tom,
Good point on copper/asbestos gasket.  Where can a get a chunk?  The orginal material had been cemented on which created a real job trying to pry it off.  Not sure if it had any copper but almost positive some sort of thick asbestos type stuff.
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 


> 
> In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> skipl130 at yahoo.com writes: 
> 
> on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket 
> 
> 
> Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
> 
> 
> Tom Schmutz 
> Concord, Va. 
> germoamer at AOL.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:30:40 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<371773.42250.qm@web112401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <092820091130.26272.4AC09E60000D0D81000066A0223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Skip, just got the same thought from Tom.  Now I need some copper/asbestos material.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Skip Landis <skipl130 at yahoo.com>: -------------- 

on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket. it is important to tighten the 
> three bolts evenly.  skip 
> 
> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
> Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed 
> To: "SEL Lists" 
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:57 AM 
> 
> 
> Hi All, My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve.  So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings.  We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by.  Timing is right on.  By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the blow by stopped.  Now the there is an air leak around the cage 
> of the intake and engine does run some what.  Was wondering if any one has one 
> of these engines or had similiar experience.  All areas have been cleaned and 
> the mating surfices are polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of 
> warpage.   Sure could use  some help and ideas. 
> Thank you in advance. 
> Curt Andree 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 04:34:23 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:34:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>
References: <092720091357.6093.4ABF6F36000C6B37000017CD223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<COL106-W446F06EE710CD791F097FB4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <092820091134.640.4AC09F3F00019A9700000280223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yes Frank the intake valve is in an enclosed chamber which is called a cage in the orginal parts manual.
thanks,
Curt
-------------- Original message from frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>: -------------- 


> 
> Curt; 
> 
> Are you saying that the valves are in cages ? 
> 
> 
> 
> B, Rgds 
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:10 +0000 
> > Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed 
> > 
> > Hi All, > My Emerson Brantingham, model "H", 1 1/2hp had developed a blow by thru the intake valve. So yesterday I took it to a engine friends tractor repair shop and we dissassembled, ground, lapped and seated both intake/exhaust valves, also put in a new set of rings. We continued to get blow by thru the intake valve so took apart and relapped with still no change in blow by. Timing is right on. By some trial and error and taking intake valve off and on at least ten times we decided to not tighten up the three bolts holding the intake asy in place.........the 
> blow by stopped. Now the there is an air leak around the cage of the intake and 
> engine does run some what. Was wondering if any one has one of these engines or 
> had similiar experience. All areas have been cleaned and the mating surfices are 
> polished and true, we are not seeing any signs of warpage. Sure could use some 
> help and ideas. 
> > Thank you in advance. 
> > Curt Andree 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 07:21:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:21:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <000501ca3fd1$5bfcf660$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Dave:

Thanks!  I'll send it in case they can use it.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Dave Croft
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 07:19 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:49 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> > Group:
> > The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is 
> wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a 
> Black Bear engine on it.  If any of you 
> > has a good photo of one or the illustration 
> from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd 
> be happy to either forward it to the 
> > Club or give you an email address to send it to.
> > Thanks!  Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> Hi Elden, probably not clear enough but I have put one on
> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/Misc#538630
5451622958786
I hope this helps!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 07:24:52 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:  

You need to keep up with your meds a little better!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 08:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.

............snip...............................
> 
> Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
> wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4
> 
> Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find 
> another 350 diesel to 
> tinker with!! ;-)
> 
> -Tony




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:53:37 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:53:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/28 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Group:
>
> The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a Black Bear engine on it. ?If any of you has a good photo of one or the illustration from a catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be happy to either forward it to the Club or give you an email address to send it to.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Take care - Elden

Elden:

There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 photos if you want to
have a dig through.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 13:57:02 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:57:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090927130059.1K7ZT.350355.root@mp06>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160909281357n4705128dx407ef4af5f367243@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/28 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Elden:
>
> There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 photos if you want to
> have a dig through.
>
> Peter

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland07/Portland07Menu1.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 14:21:03 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:21:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <0KQN004VFPWT3J40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEKJIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1111348119-1254173060-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930124875-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Elden,
You know as well as I do that there's no meds that can cure diesel fever!

-Tony

Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:52 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.


Tony:  

You need to keep up with your meds a little better!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tony &
> Jackie
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 08:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Calibrating the Lister Injector.

.............snip...............................
> 
> Here's a YouTube video of my old '83 Oldsmobile diesel 
> wagon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOo4NYSzh4
> 
> Darn, all this talk makes me want to go find 
> another 350 diesel to 
> tinker with!! ;-)
> 
> -Tony


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 16:55:31 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:55:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160909281353p3300a586wb0b281213b8402@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

So far, we're not doing so good.  Does anybody have a catalog cut of a Black Bear engine.  It has to be convertable to something that can be silk-screened.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 03:54 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> 2009/9/28 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Group:
> >
> > The East Tennessee Antique Engine Club is 
> wanting to make a tee shirt with a picture of a 
> Black Bear engine on it. ?If any of you has a 
> good photo of one or the illustration from a 
> catalog or flyer that could be copied, I'd be 
> happy to either forward it to the Club or give 
> you an email address to send it to.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> Elden:
> 
> There's a few of the one at Portland in the 2007 
> photos if you want to
> have a dig through.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 28 16:32:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEKNIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8cfb2be27ae5c146d1c7fa648386be3e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Elden,

I think most of the Oilwell Supply catalogs would have several pages of pictures of
the Black Bear engines.  Maybe find a copy on line; maybe in Google books or one of
the national archives?

I'll try and remember to look when I get home.  I have several OWS catalogs.  I'll
wager that a lot of other list folks do also.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, September 28, 2009 7:55 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> So far, we're not doing so good.  Does anybody have a catalog cut of a Black Bear
> engine.  It has to be convertable to something that can be silk-screened.





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 28 17:32:39 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:32:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <8cfb2be27ae5c146d1c7fa648386be3e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Thanks for whatever you glean from your collection.  Preferably would be a governor side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would make it relatively easy to make into a silk screen.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 06:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> I think most of the Oilwell Supply catalogs would 
> have several pages of pictures of
> the Black Bear engines.  Maybe find a copy on 
> line; maybe in Google books or one of
> the national archives?
> 
> I'll try and remember to look when I get home.  I 
> have several OWS catalogs.  I'll
> wager that a lot of other list folks do also.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Sep 28 21:21:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Eldon,

How's this?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> Thanks for whatever you glean from your collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would make it relatively easy to make
> into a silk screen.





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Sep 29 02:14:36 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:14:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>


On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property to
watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad (Kevin)
did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.

I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
video is at 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw

Ron
Canberra







From mike17257 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 02:51:35 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:51:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <844af0290909290251i416dd878w99dfc560afcf95fc@mail.gmail.com>

That was great - the smile on Kevins face tells it all.  Thanks for a great
video,


Mike

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property
> to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 03:22:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <092820091128.22273.4AC09DE2000E97D800005701223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <ce3.5813d28b.37f0d3a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W16EA8730BBA68E47C33D76B4D50@phx.gbl>


Curt ;

I would suspect a crack of some sort in the cage or head area, nearby  

also my Atlas had all valves in cages, the sealing washer / gasket was soft 

{annealed} copper.

 

              Best of luck

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] E&B help needed
> 
> Hi Tom,
> Good point on copper/asbestos gasket. Where can a get a chunk? The orginal material had been cemented on which created a real job trying to pry it off. Not sure if it had any copper but almost positive some sort of thick asbestos type stuff.
> thanks,
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 
> 
> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/27/2009 10:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > skipl130 at yahoo.com writes: 
> > 
> > on mine, there is a copper & asbestos gasket 
> > 
> > 
> > Sounds like the cages on an Olds engine too which also use a copper gasket. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz 
> > Concord, Va. 
> > germoamer at AOL.com 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Sep 29 03:32:04 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:32:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
Message-ID: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>

Hi All
This is an important message to all R&V owners and other engine people.

There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the Midwest Old Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and do not miss out on this show.
This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we can all come together.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

You guys are the ones with R&V engines, so you guys have the potential to make it really happen. Do not sit on the fence, make it a family event. Mt Pleasant Show is a top show and a top venue for all the family. I was there in 2003 and had a ball. Get in early to book accommodation.

The Midwest Old Threshers http://www.oldthreshers.org/ web site will be updated in due course so keep this link book marked for future reference.
Also the R&V web site will be hosting all the necessary information and linked to the Midwest Old Threshers web site as well.

Start talking amongst yourselves, your friends and your clubs. 

For more information contact Barry Tuller at RV2010 at comcast.com Barry will be closely liaising with me and the R&V Register Web Site over the coming months.

R&V 2010 in coming - BE THERE

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 04:47:14 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:47:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
Message-ID: <be0.65d5888b.37f34dc2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/28/2009 7:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

Good  point on copper/asbestos gasket.  Where can a get a  chunk? 


Starbolt has a lot of copper gaskets listed in various sizes.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 08:06:53 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELCIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Thanks!  I'll send the link along.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> How's this?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your 
> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would 
> make it relatively easy to make
> > into a silk screen.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 08:10:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:10:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAELDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

Thanks for the flick!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Ron Page
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 04:15 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep 29 09:21:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
In-Reply-To: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>
References: <0D543B94DF694C1B90122101CCABE909@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <e2bbdd2a2ffb2a9b89fe5591ec188978.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Mate,

Three questions....

1) Will the R&V Wizard be attending?
2) Will the long-awaited R&V history be available?
3) Will the event be run with military precision?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:32 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
> There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the Midwest Old
> Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
> The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and do not miss
> out on this show.
> This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we can all
> come together.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm





From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep 29 10:27:58 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:27:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>

Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local  
> property to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad  
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through  
> OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>



From jeffchattin at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 15:06:57 2009
From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:06:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <9B3C9C62-16F6-42A0-8774-CAD7C7DD73F8@me.com>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>


I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff

 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 15:28:48 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:28:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
Message-ID: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>

Seems I have heard some use oven cleaner or hand degreaser soap. May  be 
wrong.  There will be lots of ideas forth coming.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep 29 15:54:07 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<BLU103-W1953BB43184750171EDFCEA7D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <87e7d687ea234d5424bcb8008fdc3f6f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jeff,

You'll get a lot of different opinions on this one.  Mine is to get five gallons of
kerosene and a couple of stiff brushes.  Then start gently cleaning.  It may take
longer than some more aggressive methods, but it's pretty rare that you'll utter the
dreaded "OH SHIT!" and wished that you hadn't been so impatient.

It also gives you a chance to really go over the engine, looking for unusual wear,
fine cracks, etc.; the sort of stuff you might miss when just hitting it with 1000
psi steam.  There's really no rush.  Take your time and enjoy that original finish
being slowly revealed a layer at a time.

It's sorta like a strip-tease for engine men.  8-))

Good luck with it.  Is this your first engine, or one of many?  I don't think we've
heard much from you before.  Tell us a bit about yourself and your collection.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:06 pm, jeff chattin wrote:
>
> I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best
> way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would
> mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Sep 29 16:24:30 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:24:30 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca415b$febda030$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Will have to get Patrick to answer that.

Ron
Canberra

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 3:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video

Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:

>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local  
> property to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad  
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through  
> OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 29 17:41:25 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:41:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).

You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off. 

If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.

It's very gentle to paint.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Sep 29 16:40:02 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:40:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Rob, I have seen quite a few of varying size stationary Australs. No 
way near the number of portables how ever. There is a chap only 
minutes from me with two. I also had the chance last year to purchase 
x2 16hp stationary's also. There is a new-ish shed at lake goldsmith 
(not the Ronaldson Tippet/austral shed) with a number of stationary's 
set up also. They do look pretty neat.
Russell

At 03:27 AM 30/09/2009, you wrote:
>Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a beauty.
>
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>
>rob at rustyiron.com
>www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local
> > property to
> > watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad
> > (Kevin)
> > did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> > surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
> >
> > I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through
> > OK.  The
> > video is at
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
> >
> > Ron
> > Canberra
> >
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 29 17:15:06 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:15:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <BF5EBC87AF0E4E31BFF769068525C56C@PAUL>

Great Video Ron, love it and thanks for posting it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video


>
> On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to a local property 
> to
> watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock and his dad 
> (Kevin)
> did the honours. I missed the start because it was too quick - even
> surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
>
> I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes through OK.  The
> video is at
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
>
> Ron
> Canberra
>
>
>
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 19:21:47 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:21:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
References: <d4e.5c556e8b.37f3e420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15D70379-6C8B-4417-A81B-D84E7B80AE60@me.com>

Oven cleaner will likely remove/fade the paint!
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> Seems I have heard some use oven cleaner or hand degreaser soap.  
> May  be
> wrong.  There will be lots of ideas forth coming.
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 19:23:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:23:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>

I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never found  
it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway  
gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated  
> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>
> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak  
> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the  
> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>
> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry  
> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>
> It's very gentle to paint.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From jeffchattin at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 19:18:17 2009
From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <87e7d687ea234d5424bcb8008fdc3f6f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>


Arnie

 The 8 hp Mogul is an engine I first saw when I was about 8 years old and it took me about 26 years to get it. I turn it over many rounds through the years to keep it from sticking. I've had it running a few times (pulling a cut off saw) but I'm finally getting around to cleaning it up. It has a good bit of paint under the grease and I don't want to do anything to make it come off. Its a stationary hopper cooled engine and the only thing I missing is the pot muffler(anybody got an extra or a pattern).  

  We don't have many engines that have local history in our area (North Georgia) and I'm trying to gather some of them up. The owner of the mogul wanted it to stay in the area and he was grinning when we first fired it up. He had it close to forty years and he had never heard it run.  

  

 

Jeff Chattin

Canton Georgia
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:07 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> You'll get a lot of different opinions on this one. Mine is to get five gallons of
> kerosene and a couple of stiff brushes. Then start gently cleaning. It may take
> longer than some more aggressive methods, but it's pretty rare that you'll utter the
> dreaded "OH SHIT!" and wished that you hadn't been so impatient.
> 
> It also gives you a chance to really go over the engine, looking for unusual wear,
> fine cracks, etc.; the sort of stuff you might miss when just hitting it with 1000
> psi steam. There's really no rush. Take your time and enjoy that original finish
> being slowly revealed a layer at a time.
> 
> It's sorta like a strip-tease for engine men. 8-))
> 
> Good luck with it. Is this your first engine, or one of many? I don't think we've
> heard much from you before. Tell us a bit about yourself and your collection.
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:06 pm, jeff chattin wrote:
> >
> > I've got a mogul that has some paint left under a lot of grease. What is the best
> > way to dissolve(clean) the grease off without taking the old paint off. Would
> > mineral sprits be the best way to clean it? Thanks Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 29 19:32:15 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:32:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>
Message-ID: <027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of 
degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.

I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.  I'm on 
my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine, 
overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine


>I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never found
> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
> Dave
>
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>
>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>
>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>
>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Sep 29 19:41:53 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:41:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
Message-ID: <ca0.5d40788c.37f41f71@aol.com>

BIG 10-4 on the GUNK!
  Stan Zettner
     old  Stovers!


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep 29 20:01:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:01:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com>
	<027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <BE67B8FE-68C2-427C-B269-2903A7EEB0B2@me.com>

Hi Rick, Have you ever known Gunk to take paint off?
	Dave

On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of
> degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.
>
> I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.   
> I'm on
> my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine,
> overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
>
>
>> I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never  
>> found
>> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
>> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>
>>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>>
>>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>>
>>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>>
>>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>>
>>> Take care - Elden


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 29 20:06:11 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMELIIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41332113-BD6B-4A29-B3F8-C49704E3ABEE@me.com><027e01ca4176$39a6a790$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<BE67B8FE-68C2-427C-B269-2903A7EEB0B2@me.com>
Message-ID: <029701ca417a$f6e02260$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

No.  It hasn't taken the paint off anything that I've used it on.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine


> Hi Rick, Have you ever known Gunk to take paint off?
> Dave
> 
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:
> 
>> I use the Gunk Super Concentrate degreaser.  Makes 2 1/2 gallons of
>> degreaser when mixed with diesel fuel or kerosene.
>>
>> I also use Zep Industrial Purple degreaser available at Home Depot.   
>> I'm on
>> my third five gallon container of it so far cleaning the Tod Engine,
>> overhead crane and Insley crane.  It will take some paint off though.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] cleaning an engine
>>
>>
>>> I second the Gunk idea. I've used that stuff for years and never  
>>> found
>>> it to hurt any sort of paint--either new or old! My 16 HP Galloway
>>> gets a Gunk treatment every time I bring it home from a show.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've used a product called "Gunk".  You can buy it in concentrated
>>>> form.  Just mix it with kerosene (paraffin to our Limey friends).
>>>>
>>>> You can spray or brush it on with a soft bristle brush.  Let it soak
>>>> then apply another coat or wash off with a garden hose.  Most of the
>>>> time the grease and oil will emulsify and float right off.
>>>>
>>>> If you have to re-apply, wait until the surface is totally dry
>>>> before doing it.  Water will deactivate Gunk.
>>>>
>>>> It's very gentle to paint.
>>>>
>>>> Take care - Elden
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Sep 29 20:41:37 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:41:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Zig Zag Express
Message-ID: <20090930040636.0DAAF302C07@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Any one thinking of traveling west on RT.80 past Pontiac Il. with room for a
4 horse FM. "T", I'd REALLY like to hear from you. It needs a ride to the
west coast ,but any chunk of the trip will help. No big rush, so yank my
chain and we can work out the compensation [shim stock fund] and logistics.
Thanks for your help, Jimmy O'Hagan,  415 892 0236,  Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Sep 29 21:52:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:52:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] cleaning an engine
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>
References: <c1a.516c586e.36cb509c@aol.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<BLU103-W286D173E0A796CB662F175A7D40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A99E130E-37C7-4441-9593-9070508F73BA@rustyiron.com>

Jeff,
Both Gunk and oven cleaner will damage old paint.   Keep them away  
from your engine.  I like Simple Green and turpentine, depending on  
what I'm doing.  But keep in mind that even these can be damaging.   
Take your time and be gentle.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:18 PM, jeff chattin wrote:

> The 8 hp Mogul is an engine I first saw when I was about 8 years old  
> and it took me about 26 years to get it. I turn it over many rounds  
> through the years to keep it from sticking. I've had it running a  
> few times (pulling a cut off saw) but I'm finally getting around to  
> cleaning it up. It has a good bit of paint under the grease and I  
> don't want to do anything to make it come off. Its a stationary  
> hopper cooled engine and the only thing I missing is the pot  
> muffler(anybody got an extra or a pattern).
>
>  We don't have many engines that have local history in our area  
> (North Georgia) and I'm trying to gather some of them up. The owner  
> of the mogul wanted it to stay in the area and he was grinning when  
> we first fired it up. He had it close to forty years and he had  
> never heard it run.



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Sep 29 23:30:25 2009
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:30:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
Message-ID: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>

G,day rob 
here a link to a few pics of my 5hp base engine 
http://rides.webshots.com/album/398091027GETdBt
regards Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:27:58 -0700

> Nice.  Are there many stationary Australs around?  She's a
> beauty.
> 
>     
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Ron Page wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sunday a few of the Canberra Club members went out to
> > a local   property to
> > watch the start up of a 16hp Austral.  List member Brock
> > and his dad   (Kevin)
> > did the honours. I missed the start because it was too
> > quick - even surprised Brock, Kevin and the owner.
> >
> > I haven't up-loaded to Youtube before so I hope it comes
> > through   OK.  The
> > video is at
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M967txomWrw
> >
> > Ron
> > Canberra
> >
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 04:08:44 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] E&B help needed
In-Reply-To: <be0.65d5888b.37f34dc2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <093020091108.24501.4AC33C3C000CC24C00005FB5223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom will give a bill a call soon.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Germoamer at aol.com: -------------- 


> 
> In a message dated 9/28/2009 7:40:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> cgandree at mchsi.com writes: 
> 
> Good point on copper/asbestos gasket. Where can a get a chunk? 
> 
> 
> Starbolt has a lot of copper gaskets listed in various sizes. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz 
> Concord, Va. 
> germoamer at AOL.com 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 04:27:22 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:27:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
moving them around.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Sep 30 04:35:23 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:35:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V engine show in 2010 book now
Message-ID: <F180C47B41FB47F796497C58FBD73694@peterlowe>

> G'day mate
> A1) $$$Maybe, no guarantee $$$
> A2) Probably not, but I will be assisting Barry Tuller. I am moving house 
> next week and if I get my life back into order MAYBE.
> A3) Definitely NOT, it will be a relaxing time for all ;-)))))
>
> Wizard from Oz
>
>
>
>
>> G'day Mate,
>>
>> Three questions....
>>
>> 1) Will the R&V Wizard be attending?
>> 2) Will the long-awaited R&V history be available?
>> 3) Will the event be run with military precision?  8-))
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Tue, September 29, 2009 6:32 am, Peter Lowe wrote:
>>> There is going to be another huge R&V show in 2010, hosted by the 
>>> Midwest Old
>>> Threshers in Mt Pleasant, Iowa.
>>> The date is September 2nd - 6th, 2010, book your vacation time NOW and 
>>> do not miss
>>> out on this show.
>>> This has the potential to be bigger than the R&V Centenary Reunion if we 
>>> can all
>>> come together.
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
>> unsubscribe
>> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.
>>
> 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 07:47:14 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <744d68467d760fbc31cc898cd7f4d0b0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

I sent the link to the Club and they've edited the cut and are happy with the image.  The silk screener says it will reproduce fine.

Thanks from the East Tennessee Antique Machinery Club.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 
> How's this?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your 
> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would 
> make it relatively easy to make
> > into a silk screen.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 10:30:58 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a couple of years
now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to show, I can't
imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.

What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral made?  What is the
largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!

On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
> these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
> the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
> moving them around.





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Sep 30 10:28:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:28:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of 
our local newspaper.
         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 10:55:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:55:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <ebf1778269ec2bddb3cb6256beee85cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Glad to help Elden.  That's one of the reasons that I collect the paper.

Let me know when the T-shirts are ready; I might want to order one.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 10:47 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Arnie:
>
> I sent the link to the Club and they've edited the cut and are happy with the image.
>  The silk screener says it will reproduce fine.
>
> Thanks from the East Tennessee Antique Machinery Club.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:22 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
>>
>>
>> Eldon,
>>
>> How's this?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Black_Bear_Scan.jpg
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Mon, September 28, 2009 8:32 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks for whatever you glean from your
>> collection.  Preferably would be a governor
>> > side view in a cut or line drawing.  That would
>> make it relatively easy to make
>> > into a silk screen.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 30 11:01:52 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <d94ca290c236e3dcaeb96408b56ae24c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry (and Jacqui),

Really neat accomplishment.  What's the featured engine that she's posed with?  As
Rob would say, "Great engine man's cheesecake."

BTW, I ran your "translation" past a Dutchman here at work.  He laughed at the play
on words, and said that ANY Aussie would instantly recognize the "illegal activities
described involving their beloved 'roos."  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 1:28 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>          My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of
> our local newspaper.
>          It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>




From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 11:06:48 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:06:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <08E3591B-D19C-49C1-AD92-7A047ACF5D5F@rustyiron.com>

The picture is good, but I don't read Bantu.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi All,
>         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's  
> edition of
> our local newspaper.
>         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 12:09:09 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:09:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
I will see what facts and figures I can dig out for you later. We only got
back from a week in Singapore last night so I have a lot of catching up to
do.
Off the top of my head... The largest portable known to survive is a 25hp! I
have seen this engine in person and it is massive. The largest Austral to
survive is a 32hp which is in the process of being converted from a
stationary to a portable for ease of movement.
My 3.5hp portable weighs in at 1.25 tonnes so if you scale up from there the
25hp is a beast.


On 1/10/09 3:30 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a couple of
> years
> now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to show, I
> can't
> imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.
> 
> What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral made?  What is
> the
> largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!
> 
> On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
>> these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
>> the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
>> moving them around.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Sep 30 14:25:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:25:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <c3b.5ef565d5.37f526d7@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
Nice photo and write up  of your daughter and engine.  Too  bad I can't 
read piglatin or what ever it is!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Sep 30 14:30:47 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:30:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>

The 32hp Austral stationary weighed 4 tons 4 cwt (9,400 pounds) , the  
portable was 5 tons 5 cwt (11,760 pounds). The cylinder bore was 15  
inches and I have forgotten what the stroke was. I'll have to get out  
the tape measure.

Eric


From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 30 15:31:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:31:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

G'day Arnie old mate.  A local member of our club owns a 25hp 
portable. I heard it was one of 2 survivers?? It is currently under 
restoration. I have seen it, wow it is one big heavy mother! If you 
can imagine Daves being a 1/2 to 1/3 scale model it would give you an 
idea :-) I must get over there again soon and see how it's coming 
along. It  must be real close as it was originally going to make it 
to the last National Rally in Murray Bridge


At 03:30 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote:
>G'day Patrick,
>
>Man, you are a master of understatement!  Having been involved for a 
>couple of years
>now in helping to schlep Dave's 11 hp "portable" Astral from show to 
>show, I can't
>imagine what it takes to move one of the nine "portable" 16 hp Australs.
>
>What does one weigh?  Was 16 hp the largest portable Austral 
>made?  What is the
>largest one known?  And wot does IT weigh?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - They really are gorgeous engines to watch / listen to running!!
>
>On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:27 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> > It is a lovely engine. There are 17 16hp Australs on the register & 8 of
> > these are stationaries. There are quite a few large stationary Australs on
> > the register by they are seldom seem at rallies due to the difficulty in
> > moving them around.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 17:36:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:36:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
In-Reply-To: <ebf1778269ec2bddb3cb6256beee85cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEMDIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

I'll pass your request along to Melissa Milner, who's heading-up the tee shirt effort by her club.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Photo or Cut of Black Bear Engine
> 
> 
> Glad to help Elden.  That's one of the reasons 
> that I collect the paper.
> 
> Let me know when the T-shirts are ready; I might 
> want to order one.




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Sep 30 17:48:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEMEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your daughter got her fifteen minutes of fame.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 16:49:24 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:49:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Excellent article, I enjoyed every word.  You've done a good job with your 
daughter.  Perhaps its time you sent her to a good finishing school here in 
NC!!!!!!!

Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Hi All,
>         My daughter, Jacqui, has a half page feature in today's edition of
> our local newspaper.
>         It's here for anyone who cares to look:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:26:38 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:26:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
Skip


> > 
> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
> 
>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>> Jerry Evans
>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:37:20 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:37:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <01db01ca422f$56058960$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Well Skip, maybe Betty does not want you to know all we talk about!!!!! 
"Oh Skip, that's just jibberish" when actually we are planning to auction 
your engines on Ebay!

In reality I can speak a few phrases of Dutch, just can't spell it!  This 
comes from a wedding toast, but this is a family page!

Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>
>
>> >
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>
>>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>>> Jerry Evans
>>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Sep 30 17:44:56 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:44:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>> Jerry Evans

Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
good enough.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:55:35 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:55:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<01db01ca422f$56058960$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <65005A77E1964CBC86C0B5DEF34E0A6B@YOURDA6F5028CB>

So, that's where they all went.  Her funny english keeps me off guard.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Well Skip, maybe Betty does not want you to know all we talk about!!!!! 
> "Oh Skip, that's just jibberish" when actually we are planning to auction 
> your engines on Ebay!
> 
> In reality I can speak a few phrases of Dutch, just can't spell it!  This 
> comes from a wedding toast, but this is a family page!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>> Skip
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>
>>>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>>>> Jerry Evans
>>>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>>>
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From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 17:57:55 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:57:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
	<000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <24A5DECF1B71451FBCEB452185807A72@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Oh lord. It's latin she's trying to speak.
Skip

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>> Skip
>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>> Jerry Evans
> 
> Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
> good enough.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 18:28:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:28:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <E88B99DC-8A18-40FC-93E8-D8772E3B8268@me.com>


On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> G'day Arnie old mate.

doG damn Arnie, I'm glad that Russ does not refer to me as an OLD mate!
	Dave


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Sep 30 18:19:42 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp><B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB><000b01ca4230$66e27120$42920556@intrepid>
	<24A5DECF1B71451FBCEB452185807A72@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <027301ca4235$4132f940$d0624b47@mikecomp>

ora et labora!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Oh lord. It's latin she's trying to speak.
> Skip
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
> 
> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "SKIP CLEVELAND" <skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
>> 
>> 
>>> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
>>> Skip
>>>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!
>>>>> Jerry Evans
>> 
>> Hi Skip, I also used a language translation program & even latin wasn't
>> good enough.
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 18:42:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:42:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>

WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP  
that light!
	Dave

On Sep 30, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Eric Schulz wrote:

> The 32hp Austral stationary weighed 4 tons 4 cwt (9,400 pounds) , the
> portable was 5 tons 5 cwt (11,760 pounds). The cylinder bore was 15
> inches and I have forgotten what the stroke was. I'll have to get out
> the tape measure.
>
> Eric
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Sep 30 18:57:09 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:57:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
Message-ID: <60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>


On 01/10/2009, at 11:42 AM, David Rotigel wrote:

> WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP
> that light!

One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500  
lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow  
as it will run.

Eric


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Sep 30 19:27:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:27:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
	<60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <8BF680DA-590E-4CAE-9A19-A9F26DE0592E@me.com>

What do the flywheels (each) weigh? What is the dia. and face?
	Dave
PS, 100 RPM is not all that bad.

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Eric Schulz wrote:

>
> On 01/10/2009, at 11:42 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
>> WOW! My 11 HP weighs 6,900 lbs dry. I wonder how they made a 32 HP
>> that light!
>
> One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500
> lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow
> as it will run.
>
> Eric


From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 19:54:52 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:54:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>
References: <4ac2fb01.231.8da.358970270@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <1DDF979E-2A54-4DE9-93D4-BCF1EF101E8D@rustyiron.com>

On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:30 PM, brock at netspeed.com.au wrote:

> G,day rob
> here a link to a few pics of my 5hp base engine
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/398091027GETdBt
> regards Brock


Hey, Brock.  That's a big sized engine for five horse, and she's got  
a very distinctive base.  Neato.










From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 21:14:27 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:14:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <002101ca40e5$43e46350$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<FF4ECFEF-3997-4985-AE89-BA254F01A835@rustyiron.com>
	<20090929233936.4669629805A@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6C7C3C0A-FD9B-4BAB-BBEE-A3A8DD9FE10C@rustyiron.com>

Shoulda bought 'em, mate!


On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Rob, I have seen quite a few of varying size stationary Australs. No
> way near the number of portables how ever. There is a chap only
> minutes from me with two. I also had the chance last year to purchase
> x2 16hp stationary's also. There is a new-ish shed at lake goldsmith
> (not the Ronaldson Tippet/austral shed) with a number of stationary's
> set up also. They do look pretty neat.
> Russell


From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Sep 30 21:15:50 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:15:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
References: <C6E9E9F5.29D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
	<875FFDFA-2D0C-4D7D-89BA-122311C28408@me.com>
	<60499C55-A0E5-4677-923F-A2F0202BE6B2@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <2D35930F-0A25-4ABD-B596-0A0CE1331316@rustyiron.com>

Nevertheless, it's got to be an impressive engine to see run.

> One way they did it was to make the flywheels too small. An extra 500
> lbs in each one would have been a good idea. 100rpm is about as slow
> as it will run.
>
> Eric


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 30 21:28:41 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
Message-ID: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl>


I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.

I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."

I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway



 		 	   		  
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