From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:41:58 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:41:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2D35930F-0A25-4ABD-B596-0A0CE1331316@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C6EAE0B6.2A1A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Of the bigger sizes the number known to survive are:
32hp - 1
26hp - 1
25hp - 2
20hp - 18
16hp - 17
15hp - 4
12hp - 3
11hp - 78

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:51:50 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:51:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <C6EAE306.2A1D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


The 1919 price list gives the following weights for the big Australs:
30-32hp portable- 105cwt stationary- 84cwt
18-20hp portable- 75cwt  stationary- 65cwt
15-16hp portable- 70cwt  stationary- 60cwt
10-11hp portable- 60cwt  stationary- 50cwt

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct  1 12:14:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:14:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1254412802.25939.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 01/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
>
>
>Jerry:
>Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your daughter got her fifteen 
>minutes of fame.    :-)
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,

Jacqui here.

Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again I got my 15 minutes of 
fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able to wipe the smile off my 
face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for VERY special occasions :-)

This article means a great deal to me, as it demonstrates that people 
appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a woman involved in a male 
dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we don't have any other ladies 
showing engines in S.A), but because in a small way I have made a 
contribution and have received recognition from people I look up to.  And 
that is an amazing feeling!!!

It's a pity that the write up was written in Afrikaans (our "Second" 
language) - and I do realise that no one was able to understand it.  When I 
get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will translate it into English and 
share it with all of you.

Kind regards
Jacqui




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  1 13:55:59 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:55:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <606CBA3EE3BA41B1B33B6EE305FC17F7@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Can you translate it into Dutch? This way, my wife Betty who speaks gibberish could translate it back into her form of English and I 
could translate hers into something I could understand. At least I think I can.
It would give some of the other viewers an idea of how to express themselves in Dutch instead of just their made up gibberish.
Oh never mind.
It was a nice story anyway. So, get a bunch of these newspapers and put them in a black garbage bag and they will last for years and 
not just 15 minutes.
Skip


> Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,
>
> Jacqui here.
>
> Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again I got my 15 minutes of
> fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able to wipe the smile off my
> face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for VERY special occasions :-)
>
> This article means a great deal to me, as it demonstrates that people
> appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a woman involved in a male
> dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we don't have any other ladies
> showing engines in S.A), but because in a small way I have made a
> contribution and have received recognition from people I look up to.  And
> that is an amazing feeling!!!
>
> It's a pity that the write up was written in Afrikaans (our "Second"
> language) - and I do realise that no one was able to understand it.  When I
> get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will translate it into English and
> share it with all of you.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  1 15:03:14 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:03:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMLIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jacqui:

I will look forward to the translation of the article.  I'm just a illuterate Kaintuck.  Cain't read that there gibberish.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 02:14 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> 
> 
> At 06:00 PM 01/10/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 11
> >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> >
> >
> >Jerry:
> >Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your 
> daughter got her fifteen 
> >minutes of fame.    :-)
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,
> 
> Jacqui here.
> 
> Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again 
> I got my 15 minutes of 
> fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able 
> to wipe the smile off my 
> face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for 
> VERY special occasions :-)
> 
> This article means a great deal to me, as it 
> demonstrates that people 
> appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a 
> woman involved in a male 
> dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we 
> don't have any other ladies 
> showing engines in S.A), but because in a small 
> way I have made a 
> contribution and have received recognition from 
> people I look up to.  And 
> that is an amazing feeling!!!
> 
> It's a pity that the write up was written in 
> Afrikaans (our "Second" 
> language) - and I do realise that no one was able 
> to understand it.  When I 
> get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will 
> translate it into English and 
> share it with all of you.
> 
> Kind regards
> Jacqui




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 14:24:16 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:24:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
  Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine




I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.

I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."

I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.

Bruce Younger  

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68  

Madison, SD 

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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Oct  1 14:36:35 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
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No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well 
and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the 
well. Doug T

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
>   Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
>
>
>
>
> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>
> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>
> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.
>
> Bruce Younger  
>
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68  
>
> Madison, SD 
>
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com  
>
>
>
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted  
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."  
>
> E. Hemingway
>
>
>
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 15:10:31 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:10:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion engines and was not that common.
  Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine



No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
well. Doug T

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
>   Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
>
>
>
>
> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>
> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>
> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.
>
> Bruce Younger 
>
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 
>
> Madison, SD
>
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com 
>
>
>
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted 
> armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." 
>
> E. Hemingway
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct  1 16:33:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613E@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Jim,

The half-breeds are really interesting beasts.  If you think about all of the
different steam engine makes that were operating in the early oil fields and then
cross that with all of the companies than made gas conversion cylinders (and other
supporting parts), you end up with literally thousands of different half-breed
combinations.  One of the more common (and pretty) early half-breeds combined the
Farrer & Trefts hog-trough steam bed with a Bessemer gas cylinder.  Here's a look at
mine...  http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm

(I really need to get some of the current pics of that engine onto the website!)

For more info on half-breeds, contact Coolspring.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

They have a publication, Bores & Strokes, and one of the early issues was totally
about half-breeds.  Call 'em and order a copy.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 1, 2009 6:10 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some
> how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion
> engines and was not that common.
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
>
> No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
> and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
> well. Doug T
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a
>> half-breed?
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
>> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
>>
>> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays
>> was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that
>> was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a
>> licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the
>> maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>>
>> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
>> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
>> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
>> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
>> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>>
>> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 16:38:13 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:38:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><4AC520E3.1060501@accnorwalk.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613E@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<e58df12a59f692b96014a107e53c931b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613F@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Thank you Arnie,
  I never realized the half-breeds were that common. When I get home from work I'll definitely check out the links you provided.
    Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 7:33 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine



Jim,

The half-breeds are really interesting beasts.  If you think about all of the
different steam engine makes that were operating in the early oil fields and then
cross that with all of the companies than made gas conversion cylinders (and other
supporting parts), you end up with literally thousands of different half-breed
combinations.  One of the more common (and pretty) early half-breeds combined the
Farrer & Trefts hog-trough steam bed with a Bessemer gas cylinder.  Here's a look at
mine...  http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm

(I really need to get some of the current pics of that engine onto the website!)

For more info on half-breeds, contact Coolspring.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

They have a publication, Bores & Strokes, and one of the early issues was totally
about half-breeds.  Call 'em and order a copy.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 1, 2009 6:10 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some
> how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion
> engines and was not that common.
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
>
> No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
> and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
> well. Doug T
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a
>> half-breed?
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
>> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
>>
>> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays
>> was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that
>> was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a
>> licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the
>> maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>>
>> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
>> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
>> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
>> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
>> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>>
>> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.


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From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 17:40:05 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:40:05 GMT
Subject: [SEL] sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
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sel at lists.stationary-engine.com




From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 17:42:52 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:42:52 GMT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <20091001.204252.14050.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>






From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 17:51:18 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:51:18 GMT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <20091001.205118.14050.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>






From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:00:38 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test
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ok




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From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 18:09:44 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:09:44 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
Message-ID: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
    




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 18:59:19 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:59:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06142@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Hi Jack,
That's cool that you have a half- breed video up. I'll look at your Youtube channel tomorrow. Don't feel bad about being "faceless". I'm guessing a pretty good percentage of the people on this list, including myself, would fall into that category.
   Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jack Hallaran
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 9:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!



Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also.
   


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  2 04:37:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:37:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Bernard on Ebay /UK
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002133520.00bd0e20@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A nice Bernard and pump on Ebay (UK) - price is still cheap.


<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1932-BERNARD-MOTEURS-WO-2HP-STATIONARY-ENGINE-&-PUMP_W0QQitemZ150376087244QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20090928?IMSfp=TL090928152002r967>




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Fri Oct  2 07:41:20 2009
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:41:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Message-ID: <005701ca436e$721d8040$565880c0$@com>

Hey guys

 

I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is as
good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J

 

Opinions appreciated!

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

Please note new email addy 

lew at lewslittlefarm.com

 



From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 08:08:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:08:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Message-ID: <980853448-1254496137-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818747556-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Lew,
The freight company I used to drive for used Delvac in all their semi tractors.  I think my current company uses it as well, but not positive.  It's good oil.

-Tony


------Original Message------
From: Lew Best
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
To: SEL
ReplyTo: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Sent: Oct 2, 2009 9:41 AM

Hey guys

 

I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is as
good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J

 

Opinions appreciated!

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

Please note new email addy 

lew at lewslittlefarm.com

 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct  2 08:34:36 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:34:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS41FA0C0DB272F2EF14CE1BBD20@phx.gbl>

A "Big Sky" welcome Jack!!  We don't get too many new subscribers lately. 
No attachment's are allowed and we just type a link to our Webshots, 
Photobucket, Fotki...whatever.  There's still a few of us on stage coach 
dial-up's and attachments would take all day to load.
  SEL is quiet today but should pickup later.

Again Welcome!!
RickinMt.


Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!


> Hello,
>       I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to 
> Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 10:40:03 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:40:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
References: <005701ca436e$721d8040$565880c0$@com>
Message-ID: <51898EC23DE64C4C887887441620B878@Ed>

I also have a 2005 / Cummins ,use Rotella T Synthetic and get all my OEM 
expendables form Geno's  Garage.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <lew at lewslittlefarm.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT oil


> Hey guys
>
>
>
> I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is 
> as
> good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
> O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J
>
>
>
> Opinions appreciated!
>
>
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
> Please note new email addy
>
> lew at lewslittlefarm.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  2 11:42:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:42:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>

Hello All,
Jacqui here - again!!
As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for 
those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>

Thanks, once again for all your replies.

Kind regards
Jacqui

P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else have 
the spotlight!!! :-)



From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:36:09 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:36:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <AD101CA02E874450B1F1FE9C0A2F06FA@PAULDESKTOP>

Thank you - Article has much more meaning.  So many years of fun ahead of 
you with the engines

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
> P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else 
> have
> the spotlight!!! :-)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  2 20:01:24 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:01:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENGIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jacqui - Go girl!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 01:42 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the 
> original Afrikaans for 
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
> 
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
> 
> Kind regards
> Jacqui




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 19:40:25 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

There was (maybe still is?) a 25 hp hopper-cooled Foos portable at Coolspring.  One
show I saw a bloke (owner?) relaxing inside the hopper like it was a big ol' hot
tub.  VERY impressive very BIG engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 6:31 pm, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> G'day Arnie old mate.  A local member of our club owns a 25hp
> portable. I heard it was one of 2 survivers?? It is currently under
> restoration. I have seen it, wow it is one big heavy mother! If you
> can imagine Daves being a 1/2 to 1/3 scale model it would give you an
> idea :-) I must get over there again soon and see how it's coming
> along. It  must be real close as it was originally going to make it
> to the last National Rally in Murray Bridge




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 19:49:28 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <dcaeeeb20554a3db39475d340e628d65.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Skip,

You just need to consume a pint of the same clear Mountain Elixir that Mike did. 
When you do that, what he wrote is perfectly clear (like the Elixir).  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 8:26 pm, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote:
> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>
>> >
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!





From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct  2 20:10:48 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:10:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>

On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> There was (maybe still is?) a 25 hp hopper-cooled Foos portable at  
> Coolspring.  One
> show I saw a bloke (owner?) relaxing inside the hopper like it was a  
> big ol' hot
> tub.  VERY impressive very BIG engine!!



Arnie,
Was the hopper big enough to contain TWO engine enthusiasts?  One  
would think that big engine firing would impart some very interesting  
vibrations to the warm water and its occupants.  Such a ride might be  
considered the engine collector's equivalent of the Mile High Club.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com













From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 22:10:02 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:10:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <86bbd2c7d74081800da7ca78d2aaad99.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jacqui,

Very neat article!!  Thanks so much for posting the translation.  It's much more fun
with the words to go with your beautiful picture and beautiful engine.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 2, 2009 2:42 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
> P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else have
> the spotlight!!! :-)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 22:25:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0d3442394e4259a4a0368ea8d2e3b45b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Rob,

I think it would depend on the size of the couple.  ISTR that the Foos "hopper
bather" was a pretty big bloke; 6'6" maybe?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 2, 2009 11:10 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Was the hopper big enough to contain TWO engine enthusiasts?  One
> would think that big engine firing would impart some very interesting
> vibrations to the warm water and its occupants.  Such a ride might be
> considered the engine collector's equivalent of the Mile High Club.




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 21:53:31 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:53:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
Message-ID: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a method
to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Oct  3 22:48:49 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:48:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
References: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <A01B0F9348C54EFD93BE1F39A795735D@REGsServer>

A buzz coil is only a normal primary/ secondary setup, as per the usual auto 
thing.
The difference is that the incoming low voltage is interrupted by a set of 
low voltage points.
The incoming current activates the core and makes it a magnet. This pulls 
the points open and breaks the curcuit. Field collapses, no longer a magnet, 
back to start.
So, we get the buzz.
Ok, now to check.the system.
With a meter, check the secondary windings. Earth to plug lead. If you show 
continuity, then thats ok.If the needle shows open circuit, its stuffed!
Primary windings should show continuity and almost no resistance.
Again, open circuit, stuffed.
BUT the main part of these setups was the low voltage points.
If they were dirty, corroded, etc. and current could not pass, then the 
whole sequence could not happen.
So much so that replacement points were/are available.
Ya gotta come back to simple basics on this.
Then it becomes easy to sort the troubles.
Ok, outa here. Hope what I said helps.
Reg
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair


> Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
> couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a 
> method
> to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
> available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
> internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
> ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Oct  3 23:58:56 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:58:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
In-Reply-To: <A01B0F9348C54EFD93BE1F39A795735D@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <20091004025856.XEGWT.718248.root@mp06>


If the coil does not buzz, remove the points and clean the studs and the metal blade where it touches. They were bad about corrosion here, a hand sand blaster with baking soda, used outside, works well for clean up. If it buzzes and doesn't have much fire, try an automotive condensor attached externally across the points, the condensors in the coils usually failed to open. If it works the condensor can be mounted externally or you can take it apart and dig out the large old one and instal a new one. The new capacitors are available at electrical suppliers, I don't remember the values, but there are articles on line that show how to do it and what to use.
J.B. Castagnos


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Oct  4 04:41:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:41:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <5E88B3FAE07F486886ECEEC8D0B94E84@armstrong>
References: <5E88B3FAE07F486886ECEEC8D0B94E84@armstrong>
Message-ID: <COL106-W63BA7736CEC42E65F7B31AB4D00@phx.gbl>


Hello Folks;

 

Has anyone got a parts list for a IH Type M 6 HP especially 

anything to do with Mag. area.

This is the engine that has the enclosed crankshaft.

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 

  		 	   		  

From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Oct  4 04:59:17 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:59:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
In-Reply-To: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <001401ca44ea$19bdddf0$4d3999d0$@com.au>

Hi Jim,
Your message prompted me to migrate the buzzcoil series of articles from my
old web host to the new one. Just about everything you want to know about
repairing them (from the outside) is here:
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/ignition-systems

Regards
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 3:54 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair

Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a method
to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 05:27:15 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
Message-ID: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>

There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
specifically do you need?   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Oct  4 05:39:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:39:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W12141BCB5595BC4811B9FB4D00@phx.gbl>


Greetings Tom;

 

My friend that has the engine thinks it was a WICO that should go on the engine, 

I'll call him & ask for more info, he is missing the mag. & a parts list would be of 

great help, I saw the engine a few days ago but its all over his shop.

 

              Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
> 
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a 
> high tension mag for spark plug. I have two high tension types. What 
> specifically do you need? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Oct  4 05:52:28 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:52:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>

Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high 
tension and the Wico EK Doug T

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
> specifically do you need?   
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>   


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Oct  4 10:02:06 2009
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:02:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] buzz coils
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1254672002.16609.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1254672002.16609.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <1D6C0FF6-10FE-4873-9074-642632BBBD51@zoominternet.net>

Jimmy-

I have had luck modifying some of the modern ignition coils (like  
where they have one coil per cylinder) to fit in older buzz coil  
boxes. These units are encased in plastic coatings with a loop-looking  
armature. If you cut the armature so you can poke it through where the  
buzz points are and add a condenser, they will deliver a nice hot  
spark.  I hated to see a nice looking finger-jointed coil box  
relegated to the mantle... If you cruise some of the junk yards you  
can usually spot something which will fit the bill. The newer coils  
have way better insulation than the old units and hence are much  
smaller. Hope this helps..

Paul

myrickmachine at gmail.com


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 18:13:25 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:13:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
Message-ID: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil ignitions. Have any of you
removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If so, how do you remove it
without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct  4 20:03:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
In-Reply-To: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

I haven't done it since I was a kid (and I kinda stunk-up the shop when I did) but you can remove the panel from the coil and suspend it over a tray (to catch the tar) that sits on a hot plate that is set on low.

Nowadays, if you've got a heat gun, that might work better.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 08:13 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
> 
> 
> Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil 
> ignitions. Have any of you
> removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If 
> so, how do you remove it
> without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Oct  4 19:00:34 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:00:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
References: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <004c01ca455f$a093a240$d0624b47@mikecomp>

2 ways I know of:

1.  Open it up and put a floodlamp on it and the tar will melt out.  This 
works.

2.  Freeze it and bust out the tar chips.  Some like this, I have not done 
it.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil


> Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil ignitions. Have any of you
> removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If so, how do you remove it
> without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy
>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Oct  4 19:34:07 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com> <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>

I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high 
tension and the Wico EK Doug T

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
> specifically do you need?   
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>   
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Oct  4 20:14:19 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:14:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com> <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>

Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket & 
hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for 
gear drive, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>> specifically do you need?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>>
>>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 02:28:31 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:28:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
	<4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>
	<00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au>

Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester Smith
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket & 
hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for 
gear drive, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>> specifically do you need?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 03:27:44 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:27:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George 
Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester 
> Smith
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket &
> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
> gear drive, cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug 
>> Tallman
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>> specifically do you need?
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>> SEL mailing list
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>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 04:24:23 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:24:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au>
	<9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>

Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George 
Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester 
> Smith
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket &
> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
> gear drive, cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug 
>> Tallman
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>> specifically do you need?
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 05:32:35 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:32:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
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Message-ID: <BAY113-DS35A6253540A3D1B7C235CBBCF0@phx.gbl>

G'day Ray;
  Go here and take a look;

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/my__type.htm

and then further down the page click on "type M specifications."

Might help

RickinMt.


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 07:02:25 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:02:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W310B4D60A1F986C25B3C5AB4CF0@phx.gbl>


Hello Tom;

Tks for your kind reply, If I might give you a call Re;

the Mag for a 6 HP Type M IH { I have free LD }

Please pass me a # & I'll call.

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
> 
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a 
> high tension mag for spark plug. I have two high tension types. What 
> specifically do you need? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 07:16:41 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:16:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
Message-ID: <d2a.584227d4.37fb59c9@aol.com>

Frank
 
434-933-8279  Usually around the house from 6 till 9:30 pm bed  time.
 
Been a lot of good information/photos posted to the list in the past day on 
 the 6M.
 
They are great running engines!  I will try and take a close up of the  mag 
and trip mechanism today.
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 09:13:27 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:13:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
Message-ID: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>

 
 (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 


Frank,
 
Four photos of the Wico EK type mag setup on the 6M engine.   First photo 
is out of rotation by 90 deg and looking straight into the mag from  the 
front of the engine.  The others are from the side of the mag, one  showing the 
mag tripped.  Guess I should have dusted the engine off and  cleaned it a 
bit prior to the photos.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg) 
 
Hope this is of some help.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 09:32:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:32:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
In-Reply-To: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>
References: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W35887F88C6CDA93F2BC7B7B4CF0@phx.gbl>


Tom;

 

Thanks that will be a huge help, I'll give you a call , when you

said to call.

 

              Thanks again

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:13:27 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
> 
> 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
> 
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Four photos of the Wico EK type mag setup on the 6M engine. First photo 
> is out of rotation by 90 deg and looking straight into the mag from the 
> front of the engine. The others are from the side of the mag, one showing the 
> mag tripped. Guess I should have dusted the engine off and cleaned it a 
> bit prior to the photos.
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg) 
> 
> Hope this is of some help. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> 
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct  5 12:38:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 9, 10, 11.
Message-ID: <59401.168.215.206.73.1254771494.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Folks,
It's that time of year again! Cotton Ginning Days will be Oct 9, 10 and 11
in Dallas, NC. Same place as always. This will be year 22 if I am
remembering correctly. The county estimates the spectator attendance at
25,000, so if you like demonstrating your old iron, this is the show for
you.
As usual the SEL area will be the wood sawing area just below the cotton
gin and engine.
Saturday evening at 5:30 we serve a free country dinner to all folks
displaying. Bring your engines, tractors, antique cars, and swap items to
Cotton Ginning Days. The website for more information and the map if
you've never been is here. <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
Hope to see you this weekend.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Looking for log saw and operators. We had 6 running last year.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA&feature=PlayList&p=E95B6F1503DEAF74&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=31>



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Oct  6 07:32:13 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:32:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>

hello ray I have a 3hp but no mag but all the fittings you can have a look 
if you want to


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
> maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
> phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George
> Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester
>> Smith
>> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket 
>> &
>> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
>> gear drive, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>>
>>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>>> Ray Freeman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Tallman
>>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>>
>>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>>
>>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and 
>>>> a
>>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>>> specifically do you need?
>>>>
>>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>>> Concord,  Va.
>>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct  6 17:41:48 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:41:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
	<8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>
Message-ID: <001501ca46e6$f415eb20$dc41c160$@net.au>

Thanks Kevin. I should be right. I had another look yesterday and it has the
bit there for the advance/retard which I'm sure would make it a EK mag
engine.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin
armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 10:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

hello ray I have a 3hp but no mag but all the fittings you can have a look 
if you want to


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
> maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
> phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George
> Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester
>> Smith
>> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket 
>> &
>> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
>> gear drive, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>>
>>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>>> Ray Freeman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Tallman
>>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>>
>>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>>
>>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and 
>>>> a
>>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>>> specifically do you need?
>>>>
>>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>>> Concord,  Va.
>>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Tue Oct  6 18:14:06 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:14:06 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
Message-ID: <52618.203.39.63.3.1254878046.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Hi all,
My Steam & Engine web site has been migrating over the last month from
Paul Evan's server to a hosted system in Australia. At the same time it
has migrated from hand built HTML to a content management system called
Joomla.

About 75% of the content has now migrated across.

I'd appreciated feedback on the look and feel of the site and for you all
to add your related clubs and societies to the new directory as I'm
leaving that migration to last to ensure I have the most up to date
information possible.

Another request is for you to review the SEL FAQ which has been migrated
intact. Many of the answers there are between 3 and 10 years old. Things
may have changed and may need to be updated.

General site
http://www.steamengine.com.au/

Direct to the FAQ
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/faq

If your questions/comments/feedback are about the site plese send to me
directly off list. If you want to discuss something about the FAQ then on
list is probably best.

On the FAQ, I'm seeking an icon or picture to represent each FAQ item. If
you have something suitable that you can give me the rights to use please
let me know. Remember this is your FAQ.

Unlike the old site, I can grant the rights to contribute articles and
pictures directly. Contact me offlist if you're interested.

Regards
Paul



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Oct  7 00:38:27 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:38:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>

>From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.

Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
last one.

Regards
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hallaran
Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:10 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!

Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to
Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS
group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a
heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list
totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to
like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
    


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct  7 03:16:05 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:16:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Alan
Message-ID: <F10E8572638043349BBC97D35E8479BC@peterlowe>

Happy Birthday Alan Wheaton

From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 03:33:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:33:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico EK Mag.
Message-ID: <COL106-W35540FFED6D283B5F089C5B4CD0@phx.gbl>


Hello guys;

To all that replied to the IH question I posted, many thanks.

What I'm looking for now is a working Wico EK Mag.

for my friends IH 6 HP type M.

 

             Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 		 	   		  

From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Wed Oct  7 06:21:03 2009
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:21:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
Message-ID: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>

My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/

Pete.

On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 18:38 +1100, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> >From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
> everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.
> 
> Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
> last one.
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hallaran
> Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:10 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> 
> Hello,
>       I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to
> Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
> Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS
> group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a
> heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list
> totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to
> like Harry's?
> Thanks,
>        Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA
> 
> PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
>     
> 
> 
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-- 
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Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From Twowhistle at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 06:33:01 2009
From: Twowhistle at aol.com (Twowhistle at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:33:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item
	110442499633 end
Message-ID: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>

The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive? 
 
 
It breaks my heart.....
Steve
 
 
 
 
_Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time 
Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
b6e2ce31)  


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 06:50:04 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:50:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell 
the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it 
belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam 
service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be 
changed?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item110442499633 end


> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a 
> locomotive?
>
>
> It breaks my heart.....
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> b6e2ce31)
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From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Wed Oct  7 06:57:05 2009
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item	110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>

Hopefully some museum will buy it?  It would be really sad if it went to
scrap!

Lew Best near Waco, TX
Please note new email addy 
lew at lewslittlefarm.com

-----Original Message-----

The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive? 
 
 
It breaks my heart.....
Steve
 
 
 
 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct  7 08:16:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pete:

I just sent mine in.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Pete
> Alleman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 08:21 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> 
> 
> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great 
> to get updates.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/en
> gine.people/
> 
> Pete.




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 07:27:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:27:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired 
either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun 
intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both 
maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost 
is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark


At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell
>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it
>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>changed?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> > locomotive?
> >
> >
> > It breaks my heart.....
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> > 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> > b6e2ce31)
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 07:30:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:30:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item	110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091007143013.1165D9237@smtp.wcoil.com>

It will not go to scrap thats for sure. Even it it were a non 
functional static display its worth way more then metal scrap.      Mark


At 09:57 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Hopefully some museum will buy it?  It would be really sad if it went to
>scrap!
>
>Lew Best near Waco, TX
>Please note new email addy
>lew at lewslittlefarm.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive?
>
>It breaks my heart.....
>Steve
>


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 07:44:16 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:44:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com><0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

They continue to run one steam trip per day, but its at 9 am so unless you 
stay at a hotel in the area the night before you'll miss the train.  The cog 
railway is a tourist attraction, and as such the steam locomotives are an 
integral part of the attraction.  Their management has been bitten by the 
green disease, and I think they would like to wholesale dump steam and 
everything it represents just as the Grand Canyon Railway has done.  Its not 
just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.

How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad 
ends?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item110442499633 end


> Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired
> either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun
> intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both
> maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost
> is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark
>
>
> At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to 
>>tell
>>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that 
>>it
>>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>>changed?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>>(item110442499633 end
>>
>>
>> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
>> > locomotive?
>> >
>> >
>> > It breaks my heart.....
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end 
>> > time
>> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
>> >
>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
>> > b6e2ce31)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date:
>>10/07/09 05:18:00
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 08:17:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:17:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20091007151704.DC309926A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Well if the management has went green its a wonder they didn't scrap 
it to destroy a representation of the evil industrial 
revolution.  And this idocy of replacing steam with Diesel for green 
reasons is just mind boggling. Mark


At 10:44 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>They continue to run one steam trip per day, but its at 9 am so unless you
>stay at a hotel in the area the night before you'll miss the train.  The cog
>railway is a tourist attraction, and as such the steam locomotives are an
>integral part of the attraction.  Their management has been bitten by the
>green disease, and I think they would like to wholesale dump steam and
>everything it represents just as the Grand Canyon Railway has done.  Its not
>just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.
>
>How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad
>ends?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired
> > either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun
> > intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both
> > maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost
> > is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark
> >
> >
> > At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
> >>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to
> >>tell
> >>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that
> >>it
> >>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
> >>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
> >>changed?
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
> >>(item110442499633 end
> >>
> >>
> >> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> >> > locomotive?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It breaks my heart.....
> >> > Steve
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end
> >> > time
> >> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> >> >
> >> 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> >> > b6e2ce31)
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >
> >>
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> >>
> >>No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date:
> >>10/07/09 05:18:00
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 Co. Rd. 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  7 09:41:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:41:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item 110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Shock!

Missy, Devin, and I rode this cog railway many years ago and it is one of
those special memories one never forgets.
The inclined boiler makes the locomotive useless anywhere except on a very
steep grade, such as Mt. Washington for which it was designed.

I'm not sure I buy into the "green" reason for the switch to diesel. I'm
wondering if it is a combination of economics, wildfire risk, and safety.
I'll have to admit to a modicum of concern coming back down the mountain
as the horrid sounding brakes were applied to supplement the steams
engine's reversing efforts that weren't quite doing the job. While that is
all part of the thrill of the ride, I couldn't help but think, if anything
ever happens to the steamer, there isn't enough brake to make a difference
to the inevitability of gravity.

Besides, if they were really "green" they would take the ObamaOpt and use
wind power to power the train up the mountain :-)  There's plenty enough
wind on top of that mountain!!!

If this is inevitable, I wonder why they don't go electric? Regen on the
way back down allows power to be placed back on the grid. The more I think
about this, the less sense this switch from steam to diesel makes.

Saddened that one of the great destinations of the country for the 
mechanically inclined is changing.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> locomotive?
>
>
> It breaks my heart.....
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> b6e2ce31)
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 10:00:53 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:00:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item 110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0ace01ca476f$bb436aa0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I don't believe that the locomotive and coach actually make contact during 
the descent.  My understanding is that the brakeman controls the car and 
maintains a small distance between the coach and the locomotive.  The 
coach's brakes are doing all its work during the descent.  The locomotive 
uses a system whereas the cylinders become air compressors and that 
resistance is enough to control the speed of the locomotive.  If the coach's 
brakes should fail the locomotive would have the ability to stop the 
movement.  It may not sound as if that were possible but its worked for over 
a hundred years that way.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item 110442499633 end


> Shock!
>
> Missy, Devin, and I rode this cog railway many years ago and it is one of
> those special memories one never forgets.
> The inclined boiler makes the locomotive useless anywhere except on a very
> steep grade, such as Mt. Washington for which it was designed.
>
> I'm not sure I buy into the "green" reason for the switch to diesel. I'm
> wondering if it is a combination of economics, wildfire risk, and safety.
> I'll have to admit to a modicum of concern coming back down the mountain
> as the horrid sounding brakes were applied to supplement the steams
> engine's reversing efforts that weren't quite doing the job. While that is
> all part of the thrill of the ride, I couldn't help but think, if anything
> ever happens to the steamer, there isn't enough brake to make a difference
> to the inevitability of gravity.
>
> Besides, if they were really "green" they would take the ObamaOpt and use
> wind power to power the train up the mountain :-)  There's plenty enough
> wind on top of that mountain!!!
>
> If this is inevitable, I wonder why they don't go electric? Regen on the
> way back down allows power to be placed back on the grid. The more I think
> about this, the less sense this switch from steam to diesel makes.
>
> Saddened that one of the great destinations of the country for the
> mechanically inclined is changing.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
>> locomotive?
>>
>>
>> It breaks my heart.....
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
>> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
>> b6e2ce31)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:11:24 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:11:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive/Being "Green".
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007185603.0213aec0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
><snip>
<another snip>
>   Its not just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.
>How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad
>ends?
>Rick

Hi Rick,
         Unfortunately there are just too many people in this world today 
with nothing to do and all day to do it !!!

         The "green thing" and many other similar "causes" will only end 
when these people are given something else to REALLY worry about - like a 
3rd World War.

         When they have to worry about where their next meal is coming from 
then they will soon forget the "Green" cause - WTF they'll even eat whale 
and dolphin meat cooked on power generated by a nuclear power station when 
that happens.

         Unfortunately that's not going to happen any time soon.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:25:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Steam & Engine website rebirth
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au
>Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
>
>Hi all,
>My Steam & Engine web site has been migrating over the last month from
>Paul Evan's server to a hosted system in Australia. At the same time it
>has migrated from hand built HTML to a content management system called
>Joomla.
>
>About 75% of the content has now migrated across.
>
>I'd appreciated feedback on the look and feel of the site and for you all
>to add your related clubs and societies to the new directory as I'm
>leaving that migration to last to ensure I have the most up to date
>information possible.
>
>Another request is for you to review the SEL FAQ which has been migrated
>intact. Many of the answers there are between 3 and 10 years old. Things
>may have changed and may need to be updated.
>
>General site
>http://www.steamengine.com.au/
>
>Direct to the FAQ
>http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/faq
>
>If your questions/comments/feedback are about the site plese send to me
>directly off list. If you want to discuss something about the FAQ then on
>list is probably best.
>On the FAQ, I'm seeking an icon or picture to represent each FAQ item. If
>you have something suitable that you can give me the rights to use please
>let me know. Remember this is your FAQ.
>Unlike the old site, I can grant the rights to contribute articles and
>pictures directly. Contact me offlist if you're interested.
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         I had a quick look - congratulations, it looks very good - very 
professional.

         Are you looking for info on clubs worldwide or just Aus?

         Have you got a "Links" page (as mentioned it was a "quick look") 
if so could you add mine "Old Engines in South Africa" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:34:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:34:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!/mug shots.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007192630.02151ec8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
>
> >From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
>everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.
>Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
>last one.
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         Good idea, Jeff Allen did one a year or so back but there was not 
much response to it and I do not know what happened to it. Pete Alleman's 
page seriously needs an update (Sorry Pete - not intended as an insult - 
just constructive criticism, I do see you have posted re "updates".)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct  7 14:40:46 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:40:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Oct  7 14:30:21 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:30:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091007172931.0c2064a0@ncweb.com>

I just posted a similar question to them, we'll see if they have the &^*&^* 
to answer.

Dave Merchant


At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell
>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it
>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>changed?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> > locomotive?
> >
> >
> > It breaks my heart.....
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> > 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> > b6e2ce31)
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 14:50:15 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:50:15 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <C91CAA3A08F548908F8115D03D66B301@homedesktop>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>

At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985
>  <massive snip>

Hi Guys 'n Gals,
         Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There 
is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.)

         Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software 
maybe some of you could give me a few pointers.

         The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old 
Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512 
Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
         Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now 
it has to do.

         I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?) 
and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I was 
still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10 
Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not use 
Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.)

         AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I 
think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420.
         This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a 
total "memory hog".
         When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for 
about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager", 
"performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can see 
that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my 
resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open "Notepad" 
(for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the "letter" 
to show on the screen.
         The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's 
daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the 
next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems to 
think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they 
want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g"
programmers deem best.
         On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time 
(usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)). the 
computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that I 
can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering).
         Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are:
         i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows 
"save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click on a 
folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG makes 
sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to 
scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then 
only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned 
everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time just 
to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere.
         ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as 
well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure many 
others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email.

         O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys. 
Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from knowledgeable 
people.  If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your 
recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your reasons 
as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme.
         It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but 
nobody has given reasons.
         Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm 
"Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this time 
:-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ?

         All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an 
idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER)  would 
like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I 
tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the "f%#*g" 
programmer feels is best for me on every update.
         I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing 
it's job.

         I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who 
know what "it's all about".

         FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many 
years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of "Antivirus 
Software".

         I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" - 
about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the Internet.

         Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander" 
and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair" - I 
think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they brought 
out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of 64 
Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more 
important to me :-)
         The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At 
the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards  it was 
harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often 
wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses in 
the first place.
         All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting 
the "delete" key.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>






From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 15:37:08 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <319042.16130.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Elden,,,
Get-er done.
That is gonna be one cool butt buggy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:40 PM


The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is nearly finished.? It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 16:07:06 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:07:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Elden,

There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with 
out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator 
and some trig tables
and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is 
interested I will go through it.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........


The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I 
can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' 
any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage.

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Wed Oct  7 17:08:38 2009
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1254960518.11784.3.camel@ralph>

Great! I added it to the photo album.

I would like to encourage everyone to send pictures - yourself,
others ... anything helps.

Pete.

On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 10:16 -0500, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Pete:
> 
> I just sent mine in.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Pete
> > Alleman
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 08:21 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> > 
> > 
> > My rogues' list page is still up. It would great 
> > to get updates.
> > http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/en
> > gine.people/
> > 
> > Pete.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
-- 
Pete Alleman
pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  7 18:57:46 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <74AAEF114F8448A4B5781D94C152E695@LapTop>



Looking good.

It's amazing what a thinking man can do.

See ya the 16th.

A












Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........


> The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!
>
> It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is 
> nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.
>
> If you're interested, it's on my webpage.
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  7 18:58:37 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:58:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <F06F3908-4A5C-40BC-A848-B14197CD6146@rustyiron.com>

Please!



On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Hi Elden,
>
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is
> interested I will go through it.
>
> Jim



From JMGRIVNA at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 19:14:36 2009
From: JMGRIVNA at aol.com (JMGRIVNA at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:14:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
Message-ID: <c74.5b6ba014.37fea50c@aol.com>

Hello Pete, we are moving to Louisiana from Ohio and I'm currently in Baton 
Rouge.  We kept three of our engines to bring down and hope to find a few 
acres somewhere to start up our collection again.  I get over to Lafayette a 
couple of time a month.

I'm hoping we can find some engine gatherings in LA.  I know of a couple 
other collectors in LA.  Maybe we can all hook up in the future.

Mike


From galoway4 at hughes.net  Wed Oct  7 19:17:01 2009
From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur  Buchanan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:17:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20E4B56B3E214B438AC90EEAA3FB78E4@jokerB>

Lets have it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........


> Hi Elden,
>
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is
> interested I will go through it.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "Stationary Engine List"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
>
>
> The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!
>
> It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I
> can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin'
> any wheelies, though.
>
> If you're interested, it's on my webpage.
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 03:17:08 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:17:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Jerry give the Wizard of OZ (Peter Lowe) a shout, he teachs comptuer science classes and uses AVG, maybe he can help you off list.
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>: -------------- 


> At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote: 
> >Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985 
> > 
> 
> Hi Guys 'n Gals, 
> Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There 
> is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.) 
> 
> Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software 
> maybe some of you could give me a few pointers. 
> 
> The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old 
> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512 
> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.) 
> Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now 
> it has to do. 
> 
> I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?) 
> and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I was 
> still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10 
> Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not use 
> Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.) 
> 
> AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I 
> think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420. 
> This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a 
> total "memory hog". 
> When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for 
> about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager", 
> "performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can see 
> that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my 
> resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open "Notepad" 
> (for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the "letter" 
> to show on the screen. 
> The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's 
> daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the 
> next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems to 
> think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they 
> want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g" 
> programmers deem best. 
> On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time 
> (usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)). the 
> computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that I 
> can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering). 
> Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are: 
> i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows 
> "save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click on a 
> folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG makes 
> sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to 
> scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then 
> only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned 
> everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time just 
> to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere. 
> ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as 
> well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure many 
> others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email. 
> 
> O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys. 
> Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from knowledgeable 
> people. If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your 
> recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your reasons 
> as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme. 
> It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but 
> nobody has given reasons. 
> Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm 
> "Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this time 
> :-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ? 
> 
> All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an 
> idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER) would 
> like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I 
> tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the "f%#*g" 
> programmer feels is best for me on every update. 
> I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing 
> it's job. 
> 
> I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who 
> know what "it's all about". 
> 
> FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many 
> years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of "Antivirus 
> Software". 
> 
> I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" - 
> about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the Internet. 
> 
> Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander" 
> and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair" - I 
> think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they brought 
> out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of 64 
> Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more 
> important to me :-) 
> The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At 
> the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards it was 
> harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often 
> wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses in 
> the first place. 
> All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting 
> the "delete" key. 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down) 
> Jerry Evans 
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. 
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct  8 04:25:24 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 04:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03
	BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I'm the network antivirus and security administrator at work (a state agency)
I use Symantec Endpoint Protection at work, and one a couple of my home
computers.
I use their 360 protection on a home computer.
They've come a @#$ of a long ways in reducing overhead. Nothing at all
like it was a couple of years ago. The charts showing performance hits
blow Trend, McAfee and the others out of the water - they now have the
lowest performance hit of any of the major vendors.
They have completely redesigned the scanning engine. On SEP, you get the
deltas of the updates. The issue is that viruses and threats run into the
hundreds of thousands now - not like it was a few years ago. There are
literally over a thousand new variants/strains and threats found every day
now, some morph in hours, some with each new infection so the vendors are
having issues keeping up.
A co-worker here uses AVG at home but has admitted that he's found he
still needs to resort to other things when he's doing high-risk work
because, well, it's not kept up like the major players have. (most folks
will never be exposed to the sort of risks we are - although those who
like to visit certain sorts of sites will be much higher risk than any of
us!)
He's is very familiar with multiple protections and for heavy work, he
still prefers SEP and says it's less overhead than his home AVG.
I've not compared, but know that they have put a lot of work into reducing
their overhead and it shows here at work. Folks hardly notice the regular
scans now. And there are good reasons to do a FULL scan of all files each
week. Trust me on that, been doing this very thing since about 1989 - 20
years now. "The rules have changed" as they say, in the world of viruses
and other risks. Try dealing with rootkits, rogue browser helpers/phony av
apps, etc. You don't even want to consider your papa's antivirus in
today's world. Even with the very best of protection, what should be safe
web sites can and will infect your computer.
You need a GOOD FIREWALL, too - forget that Windows firewall shit, biggest
bunch of crap ever. Worthless. Even I can crack through it! For the full
protection, browsing protection, firewall, intrusion prevention, etc. - I
use the Symnantec product. At work, I can even decide what will run and
not run on your computer. Whitelist. If I don't want it to run, you can't
run it. If I don't want it in, it won't get in, and I can block your USB
devices by brand, model, etc. as well. I've rigged it so autorun.inf file
won't function, and you can't run DLL or EXE files from certain areas.
I've even built custom IPS signatures that look into packets and block
certain content.

Love those products!
I protect 28 servers and 350 workstations and notebooks.
At Principal, I did the same for 1,200 servers and 16,000 computers around
the globe. I used SAV CE there.

Bill
ITS4
Network Security Administrator
State of Iowa, Iowa Vocational Rehabilitation Services (IVRS)

> Hey Jerry give the Wizard of OZ (Peter Lowe) a shout, he teachs comptuer
> science classes and uses AVG, maybe he can help you off list.
> Curt Andree
> -------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> --------------
>
>
>> At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>> >Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985
>> >
>>
>> Hi Guys 'n Gals,
>> Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There
>> is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.)
>>
>> Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software
>> maybe some of you could give me a few pointers.
>>
>> The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old
>> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512
>> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
>> Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now
>> it has to do.
>>
>> I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?)
>> and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I
>> was
>> still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10
>> Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not
>> use
>> Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.)
>>
>> AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I
>> think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420.
>> This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a
>> total "memory hog".
>> When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for
>> about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager",
>> "performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can
>> see
>> that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my
>> resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open
>> "Notepad"
>> (for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the
>> "letter"
>> to show on the screen.
>> The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's
>> daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the
>> next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems
>> to
>> think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they
>> want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g"
>> programmers deem best.
>> On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time
>> (usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)).
>> the
>> computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that
>> I
>> can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering).
>> Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are:
>> i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows
>> "save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click
>> on a
>> folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG
>> makes
>> sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to
>> scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then
>> only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned
>> everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time
>> just
>> to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere.
>> ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as
>> well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure
>> many
>> others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email.
>>
>> O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys.
>> Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from
>> knowledgeable
>> people. If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your
>> recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your
>> reasons
>> as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme.
>> It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but
>> nobody has given reasons.
>> Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm
>> "Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this
>> time
>> :-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ?
>>
>> All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an
>> idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER) would
>> like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I
>> tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the
>> "f%#*g"
>> programmer feels is best for me on every update.
>> I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing
>> it's job.
>>
>> I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who
>> know what "it's all about".
>>
>> FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many
>> years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of
>> "Antivirus
>> Software".
>>
>> I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" -
>> about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the
>> Internet.
>>
>> Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander"
>> and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair"
>> - I
>> think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they
>> brought
>> out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of
>> 64
>> Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more
>> important to me :-)
>> The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At
>> the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards it
>> was
>> harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often
>> wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses
>> in
>> the first place.
>> All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting
>> the "delete" key.
>>
>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>> Jerry Evans
>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Thu Oct  8 04:42:53 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:42:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <001401ca480c$79050520$6b0f0f60$@com.au>

Thanks Jerry, any clubs anywhere as long as they are steam or engine
related.

Link is added. The links page is a little buried (under
stuff/miscellaneous). Once I've updated it and checked all the links I will
put it in a menu.

Regards
Paul

Hi Paul,
         I had a quick look - congratulations, it looks very good - very 
professional.

         Are you looking for info on clubs worldwide or just Aus?

         Have you got a "Links" page (as mentioned it was a "quick look") 
if so could you add mine "Old Engines in South Africa" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/index.htm>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct  8 05:13:44 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:13:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>

I run AVAST free on my gaming machine, AVG free in my workshop, AVG free on 
my multimedia machine in the lounge room and Norton Internet Security 2009 
on my office machine.
I have no noticeable trouble with any of them. Norton is a hell of a lot 
less machine memeory hungry and interogating as the earlier versions.
I do prefer AVAST to AVG in th efree versions.
One thing that P****s me off is the scanning of outgoing emails from my 
clean machine, if you turn that option off it red flags the icon as thougfh 
something is wrong.

Peter, Oz 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 06:54:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:54:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

That would be good to know.  For a mathematically challenged guy like me, please make it simple.  (Oh, yes - I do still have a Trig table.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 06:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........
> 
> 
> Hi Elden,
> 
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate 
> angles with 
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial 
> indicator 
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are 
> anybody else is 
> interested I will go through it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Oct  8 07:44:08 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:44:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>

OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze 
your friends and earn big bucks.

If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about 
where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the 
part.  Put the part in the vise and
pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you 
can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have 
done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't 
matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will 
need to move to be on the nut.

Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the 
angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11 
deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the 
mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will 
work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now 
contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads 
zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199 
(rounded off here) without touching the indicator
move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the 
angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position 
and repeat the process until it reads zero for
both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the 
baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3 
inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.

If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to 
several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface 
to reference to.

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net>




From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Oct  8 08:40:18 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>	<2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4ACE07E2.6020800@telenet.net>

Peter Lowe wrote:
> I run AVAST free on my gaming machine, AVG free in my workshop, AVG free on 
> my multimedia machine in the lounge room and Norton Internet Security 2009 
> on my office machine.
> I have no noticeable trouble with any of them. Norton is a hell of a lot 
> less machine memeory hungry and interogating as the earlier versions.
> I do prefer AVAST to AVG in th efree versions.
> One thing that P****s me off is the scanning of outgoing emails from my 
> clean machine, if you turn that option off it red flags the icon as thougfh 
> something is wrong.
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Easy solution, Go in, set it so it doesn't scan outgoing mail, then go
into "ignore faulty conditions" and set it to ignore the mail scanner. I
have mine set to ignore that, the fact that I don't let it update
whenever it wants as well.  Then it only flags a problem with the items
I care about.


-- 
Steve W.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct  8 09:21:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:21:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] need to locate a stirling collector
Message-ID: <005401ca4833$74c3ee50$42920556@intrepid>

I was looking at Paul Pavlonovich's excellent site at
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/stirling/restoration/87-kyko-stirling-fan
when I saw a request from a John Rowe for information on a Kyko Stirling fan.
As I have a lot of info on this make collected over 20 years I have tried to contact
John on his address at alltel.net but I am not getting a reply.
When I spoke to Paul he told me that what I thought was a new request might be 
years old from his previous site.
Does anyone know John Rowe & know where he lives?
TIA

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct  8 09:28:08 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:28:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <A2A02CEF-79E0-4128-B2D1-F644E6905301@rustyiron.com>

Very cool, Jimbo.

Not only does this provide a simple method of figuring out  
trigonometric problems, but it shows a neat way of using the indicator  
to measure the setup.

Thanks.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:44 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze
> your friends and earn big bucks.
>
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will
> need to move to be on the nut.
>
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
>
> If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to
> several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface
> to reference to.
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 16:20:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:20:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPFIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Thanks!  Now I can go out and earn the big bucks.  It's the American Way (or, at least it used to be).

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 09:44 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........
> 
> 
> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze 
> your friends and earn big bucks.
> 
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about 
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you 
> machine the 
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so 
> that you 
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have 
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one 
> end (doesn't 
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will 
> need to move to be on the nut.
> 
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the 
> tangent of the 
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11 
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the 
> head of the 
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is 
> solid will 
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 
> increments.  Now 
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it 
> till reads 
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the 
> tangent or .199 
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the 
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct 
> the position 
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the 
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if 
> you use 3 
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
> 
> If this is done with care you can easily machine 
> an angle to 
> several minutes of arc provided there is an 
> accurate surface 
> to reference to.
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  8 16:12:51 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:12:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <3C47409E1339484EAE952E7A92CC8D68@KerryPC>

Thanks Jim for posting, a saver

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct  8 22:46:16 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:46:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <68634105513148F39045EA1C2EFBFA4F@peterlowe>

Man, you lost me on paragraph three, a nice youtube video would be nice 
;-)))
Peter, Oz






> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze
> your friends and earn big bucks.
>
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will
> need to move to be on the nut.
>
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
>
> If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to
> several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface
> to reference to.
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  9 01:11:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:11:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <0170AE5D6CC845A6BC406AC4EF9F1EC9@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi All,
         Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this post. 
many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that 
a lot.

         What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry 
and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of 
AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)

         I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a 
painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I 
decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision 
I'll look at it again.

         Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a 
real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately now. 
Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a scan 
I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.

         Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows 
.................... :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From swork at endacomm.com  Fri Oct  9 01:30:00 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:30:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <1BC535661FDE4EBC984349CB49154149@ecsserverwebs>

Hi Jer,
  Odd that you have problems with AVG. I never had it to reset MY 
Preferences in any way.
My schedules stay where I set them, And Scan options stay as I set them. 
Even after a Full
Number Update  IE: 5.xxx - 6.xxx - 7.xxx etc.

  It actually sounds like your Laptop's HD is getting a bit flakey. 4 years 
is a long time for a
2.5 Inch drive to last. Does your laptop have 2 drive capability? (Second HD 
Port)
  If so. Check arround your local computer shops for a New/Good Used one of 
ample capacity
Backup anything important to you, Or use a HD-Setup tool (Maxblast for 
Maxtor's)
(Data Lifeguard for Western Dig.) etc, Usually manufacturer specific. But 
Maxblast can be
purchased for use with any hd brand. I suggest those, Because they both have 
a full partition
copy utility to backup/replace your current drive. XP Is Terrible about File 
fragmentation
(All Windows vers since ME for that matter)

                               - Solution 1-  (Retaining all your data)
a)  Do the full Drive-2-Drive copy ( Usually takes about 2 minutes/Gig.) on 
20 and under
about 1 Min/gig over 20.
b) Nuke (Recertify) your old drive, And either reverse the copy procedure, 
Or leave the
old drive in as an Archival storage drive. It should last a good long time 
in that role. My
Suspicion is that you are getting actual media damage to frequently 
re-written areas of
the drive.
  One final note on the above. If at all possible Hook your 2.5" HD up on 
your Desktop
(Via an adapter) to do these tasks. (The reasons are many but primarily Heat 
problems)

                               - Solution 2-  (Losing all your current data)
a) Use the system recovery CD's/DVD's that came with the laptop to restore 
it to factory
configuration (Asuming the drive passes the Preliminary tests)
b) Re-Install every program you use (Actually USE) and start it off fresh.

  You May have gotten some other computer advice from me in the past, So you 
know I
know what I'm talking about and there isn't much point re-hashing just to 
create more
distent among the other users here. If you need any further help on this, 
Feel free to E-Mail
me off-list at
 swork at endacomm.com  or Endacomm10 at yahoo.com  (In Order of preference)

     Steve.
P.S. I use (and have used) AVG Free for many years now with NONE of the 
problems you
wrote about. I Cannot say the same for Norton's , Avast , Defender , Or 
Panda.
All the aforementioned brands have made countless appearances on my repair 
benches !
  The only other one That seems to cause very little trouble is
Trend Micro's AV  (NOT the Internet Security suite). Which is the only other 
AV Tool
I recommend to my Customers/Clients.

  < Looks like I can get long winded as well Huh ??>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.


>           Trimmed      <

>         The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old
> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512
> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
>         Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now
> it has to do.

>           Trimmed      <
-------------- next part --------------

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 18:33:00

From swork at endacomm.com  Fri Oct  9 01:33:17 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <AEF56AAF232A4BDBBE73111F37877E00@ecsserverwebs>

Switch to Linux , Kubuntu 10 or later..  hehehehehehehe
 Steve.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All


> Hi All,
>         Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this post.
> many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that
> a lot.
>
>         What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry
> and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of
> AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)
>
>         I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a
> painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I
> decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision
> I'll look at it again.
>
>         Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a
> real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately 
> now.
> Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a 
> scan
> I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.
>
>         Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> .................... :-)
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 
18:33:00
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No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 18:33:00

From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct  9 05:04:31 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <4567.165.206.180.130.1255089871.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

You can - it's called UBUNTU......

Bill

> Hi All,
>          Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this
> post.
> many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that
> a lot.
>
>          What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry
> and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of
> AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)
>
>          I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a
> painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I
> decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision
> I'll look at it again.
>
>          Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a
> real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately
> now.
> Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a
> scan
> I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.
>
>          Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> .................... :-)
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  9 10:34:18 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:34:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1255104002.5127.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009192749.00be7918@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi Bill,
         I'm not sure if I could ever be comfortable with software that 
has, as it's name, a word derived from an African language - no matter how 
noble the original intention or meaning of the word is/was. :-)

         <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)>
Keep well,
Jerry


At 06:00 PM 09/10/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
>
>You can - it's called UBUNTU......
>Bill



> >          Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> > .................... :-)
> > Keep the revs up (or down)
> > Jerry Evans



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 16:02:51 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
Message-ID: <aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pete,

Updates are needed fer sure.

This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.  8-))
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg

The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine shows.
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 10 16:21:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>

YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's  
Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own  
eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln   
Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,  
that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
	Dave
WOW, What memories!

On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Updates are needed fer sure.
>
> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.   
> 8-))
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>
> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine  
> shows.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Oct 10 16:21:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:21:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <20091010232056.81951340014@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>


>  Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
>

Oh Yeah I remember those OLD guys
Russ




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Oct 10 16:43:22 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:43:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <1297480246-1255218219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1010692834-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Dear God, I just found mine.  I must have been about 13 or so.  Scary!!

-Tony


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!

YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's  
Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own  
eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln   
Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,  
that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
	Dave
WOW, What memories!

On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Updates are needed fer sure.
>
> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.   
> 8-))
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>
> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine  
> shows.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Oct 10 21:34:56 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:34:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted grandparents!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!


> YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's
> Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own
> eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln
> Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,
> that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
> Dave
> WOW, What memories!
>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> Pete,
>>
>> Updates are needed fer sure.
>>
>> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.
>> 8-))
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>>
>> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
>> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine
>> shows.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 10 22:00:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:00:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>

On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted  
> grandparents!!!!


We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our  
good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring  
them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their  
travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the  
difference?






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 23:06:13 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I. 
You DON'T want us to become all zombified...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 1:00 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
>
>> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted
>> grandparents!!!!
>
>
> We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our
> good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring
> them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their
> travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the
> difference?





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 23:06:26 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <fa0c8f0598f51358543d251e2d7667e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I. 
You DON'T want us to become all zombified...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 1:00 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
>
>> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted
>> grandparents!!!!
>
>
> We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our
> good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring
> them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their
> travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the
> difference?





From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sun Oct 11 04:38:09 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:38:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <FBC8AADAA3F24CD0A71CAD15486BAA54@armstrong>

I have a few engines for sale

2 Kelly & Lewis suit parts
2 New Record suit parts
1 Champion
I Moffit virtue suit parts
Lawson suit parts
1 Southern Cross VD diesel near complete
1 Southern Cross EUC diesel 
2 Worsley WLB 8 1 big flywheels 1 small fly wheels
can supply photos and serial numbers if required
 McDonald TWB engine parts and gearbox parts
International a suit parts
these engines are in western australia.
please email below for information

  
Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 11 09:27:13 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:27:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1255276802.3114.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091011182546.02ad4e30@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
>
>YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now.


And there's that noisy South African guy that Dad used to complain about so :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:28:39 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:28:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
	<61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/11 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I.
> You DON'T want us to become all zombified...


There's a picture somewhere (unpublished of course!) of a certain PA
resident in his chair at Portland, looks like Zombie mode to me....
:-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:32:28 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:32:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
Message-ID: <6f6025160910110932q15b95f7dvae9163dc9afe2fbd@mail.gmail.com>

Just working out trips and schedules for next year, we certainly
missed our Portland fix this year!

Looks like we will fly into Chicago and drive up to Buckley, spend a
few days there then come back down again to Portland the following
week.

Like to do Baraboo, but I have a feeling that might be out of time for us.

Has anyone got the dates for all three shows handy?

Our youngest son is going to come with us this time, we found a bunch
of air miles that we didn't know we had, that will help a lot with the
flight costs!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 11:09:42 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
Message-ID: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?


?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise


      

From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 14:53:06 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:53:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <c21.59e996bb.3803adc2@aol.com>

Send me some photos please.
Kevin K
BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2009 7:40:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes:

I have a  few engines for sale

2 Kelly & Lewis suit parts
2 New Record  suit parts
1 Champion
I Moffit virtue suit parts
Lawson suit  parts
1 Southern Cross VD diesel near complete
1 Southern Cross EUC  diesel 
2 Worsley WLB 8 1 big flywheels 1 small fly wheels
can supply  photos and serial numbers if required
McDonald TWB engine parts and gearbox  parts
International a suit parts
these engines are in western  australia.
please email below for information


Kevin &  Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA  
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C.  of WA. member  
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
_______________________________________________
SEL  mailing  list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct 11 15:21:36 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Nope.  October 15, 16, 17, 2009 (Fall Expo and Swap Meet)
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm

On Sun, October 11, 2009 2:09 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 15:51:31 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Arnie. See ya there if unless it snow too hard.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 6:21 PM


Nope.? October 15, 16, 17, 2009 (Fall Expo and Swap Meet)
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm

On Sun, October 11, 2009 2:09 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>


_______________________________________________
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct 11 21:12:15 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:12:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>

	Yes. It is. Will you be there?

Rupert

Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
> 

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct 11 23:23:07 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:23:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>

	Oops. Sorry. I didn't read the subject line properly.

Rupert

Rupert wrote:
> 	Yes. It is. Will you be there?
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Ron Frost wrote:
>> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>>
>>
>>  Ron Frost
>>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>  
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>>
>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
> 

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 03:45:28 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <371444.13340.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I plan on it unless the snow is too deep to get there. Won't be bringing anything this year. Promised the wife, Just the pickup without the trailer. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com> wrote:


From: Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:12 AM


??? Yes. It is. Will you be there?

Rupert

Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
> 
> 
>? Ron Frost
>???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>? 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 12 08:23:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7a3cf1e5b487216c53064be5b704d068.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Coolspring in the Fall?  Sneux has happened...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 6:51 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Thanks Arnie. See ya there if unless it snow too hard.
>




From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Oct 12 10:01:01 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:01:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring on Youtube
In-Reply-To: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091012125708.0c20f460@ncweb.com>

The upcoming show got me going to post some Coolspring vids from last year...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Zr6a0PD2Q&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_PGYc76JUw&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfEOBTVqYD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYbwf3p2vQ&feature=channel

I'd like to get a start on procrastinating, but I keep putting it off.

Dave Merchant

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 12 17:48:17 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:48:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Building
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0d6501ca4b9e$da911e60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The framework for the Tod Engine's new enginehouse is complete, and tomorrow 
we will start putting the sheeting on.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2146505370033749120JhNIQu?vhost=good-times

Unfortunately I don't have enough money to buy enough sheeting to get the 
entire building enclosed, but I do have enough material for the roof and at 
least one of the sides.  We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel 
right now to find enough cash to finish the building.  I'll be at Coolspring 
on Thursday selling copies of the Tod Engine book, so please pick up a copy 
of the book there or order it direct if you won't be in attendance.

Contributions to the building project are sorely needed right now.  We have 
absolutely zero overhead, all money that comes in goes directly to buying 
materials and supplies or for equipment rental.  The engine is one of the 
largest stationary steam engines in the United States, and certainly the 
largest one that has been moved and reassembled in recent years.

There is an easy way to make a contribution online by going to this page:
https://www.networkforgood.org/donation/MakeDonation.aspx?ORGID2=311728637 
Or you can send a check to the address on that page.  Either way we need 
your support, and soon!

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 03:30:36 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910110932q15b95f7dvae9163dc9afe2fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <654082.20591.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Buckley dates for 2010 are August 19-22.
Portland should be the next week.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:32 PM


Just working out trips and schedules for next year, we certainly
missed our Portland fix this year!

Looks like we will fly into Chicago and drive up to Buckley, spend a
few days there then come back down again to Portland the following
week.

Like to do Baraboo, but I have a feeling that might be out of time for us.

Has anyone got the dates for all three shows handy?

Our youngest son is going to come with us this time, we found a bunch
of air miles that we didn't know we had, that will help a lot with the
flight costs!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:38:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:38:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
In-Reply-To: <EBB17406C1E6459AB9C50E2D3AC83CDE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>



 


From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Craig
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100




Hi Steve,
 
Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
He has a long hard road ahead of him.
Thank you.
 
Craig's dad
Alastair.

-----  		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 13 14:52:32 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:52:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880C06F2773A44508A041C9CEBF48265@PAUL>

Steve, what is this e-mail about? Is one of our engine family going through 
Surgery?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <slick at toltbbs.com>; "slick willy" <slick-request at toltbbs.com>; "The 
SELemail discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig


>
>
>
>
>
> From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
> To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Craig
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100
>
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig 
> tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him 
> when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
> He has a long hard road ahead of him.
> Thank you.
>
> Craig's dad
> Alastair.
>
> -----
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 14 03:29:12 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
	<61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091014102859.E5C633B425D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>


>There's a picture somewhere (unpublished of course!) of a certain PA
>resident in his chair at Portland, looks like Zombie mode to me....
>:-))
>
>Peter


Hi Peter, I have a picture of the same guy; just looks like they 
picked him up in his chair and moved him to Baraboo!
Russ



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Wed Oct 14 03:43:27 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:43:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
Message-ID: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>

Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 04:52:10 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:52:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>

Steve I have been in touch with Alastair and sent a message to his Dad. I 
have asked for a mailing address and I will send him a card when it arrives. 
Thanks for letting me know.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <slick at toltbbs.com>; "slick willy" <slick-request at toltbbs.com>; "The 
SELemail discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig


>
>
>
>
>
> From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
> To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Craig
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100
>
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig 
> tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him 
> when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
> He has a long hard road ahead of him.
> Thank you.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 14 10:49:24 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
In-Reply-To: <E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
	<E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
Message-ID: <87a3f4f93f676ae5fcddf72e305616c1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Paul,

Craig's mailing address is...

Craig Morrison,
Ward 47,
Aberdeen Royal Infirmary,
Foresterhill Road,
Aberdeen, Scotland.
AB9 2ZB

His dad said that the worst part about being in the hospital was that all of Craig's
nurses were on the FAR side of 40 and all were sturdy lasses built along the lines
of a main battle tank.  And nary a wee dram available to improve the view.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 14, 2009 7:52 am, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Steve I have been in touch with Alastair and sent a message to his Dad. I
> have asked for a mailing address and I will send him a card when it arrives.





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 11:36:05 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:36:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl><COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl><E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
	<87a3f4f93f676ae5fcddf72e305616c1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4FBBBE087527463CA6300048B8C9DA4A@PAUL>

Thanks Arnie, his son had just sent it to me. I am getting a card to send to 
him. I appreciate you sending the me information as I may not have had it.

Take care Arnie, good to hear from my old friend,

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: Craig


> Paul,
>
> Craig's mailing address is...
>
> Craig Morrison,
> Ward 47,
> Aberdeen Royal Infirmary,
> Foresterhill Road,
> Aberdeen, Scotland.
> AB9 2ZB
>
> His dad said that the worst part about being in the hospital was that all 
> of Craig's
> nurses were on the FAR side of 40 and all were sturdy lasses built along 
> the lines
> of a main battle tank.  And nary a wee dram available to improve the view.
>
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 03:27:50 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:27:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
In-Reply-To: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who 
may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other 
ozzies can chip in here?
Russ

At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel 
>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
>
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things
>Perth
>WA
>Australia
>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>V.C.C. of WA. member
>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 03:32:47 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know 
her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just 
around the corner from him.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists 


Russell



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 15 04:45:19 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:45:19 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <49465.124.180.55.84.1255607119.squirrel@webmail.exetel.com.au>

Hi all
I am off line for a week, moving house. everything will stay the same
accept for my address. More when I come back

Peter, Oz



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Thu Oct 15 05:13:06 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:13:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>

Thanks russel, your the only one to reply so far

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines


> Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who 
> may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other 
> ozzies can chip in here?
> Russ
> 
> At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
>>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel 
>>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
>>
>>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>>Collectors of old things
>>Perth
>>WA
>>Australia
>>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>>V.C.C. of WA. member
>>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 06:00:40 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:00:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0910150600u3edb6b39x1f316f808ab7c7f4@mail.gmail.com>

Russell:

She's pretty. We can't ask for more than that; some people are specialists.

Paul in California - from the OLD Public Schools

PS to Americans: Maybe she can be the poster girl for school reform.


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 15 08:05:05 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:05:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>

Just put on your kangaroo suit, mate, and give the poor girl a hug.

Rob



On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> around the corner from him.
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 14:46:22 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:46:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
In-Reply-To: <60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
	<60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015214607.DB9E819865A@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

I actually think it was discussed on the tomm forum, you could drop 
by there and ask again??
Russ

At 11:13 PM 15/10/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks russel, your the only one to reply so far
>
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things
>Perth
>WA
>Australia
>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>V.C.C. of WA. member
>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
>
>
> > Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who
> > may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other
> > ozzies can chip in here?
> > Russ
> >
> > At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
> >>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel
> >>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
> >>
> >>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
> >>Collectors of old things
> >>Perth
> >>WA
> >>Australia
> >>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
> >>V.C.C. of WA. member
> >>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
> >>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 14:47:14 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:47:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
	<4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20091015214700.1056E3B440E@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>


I recon she could do with more than a hug


At 02:05 AM 16/10/2009, you wrote:
>Just put on your kangaroo suit, mate, and give the poor girl a hug.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>
> > Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> > her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> > around the corner from him.
> > 
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 15 18:06:57 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:06:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <f50a55476dfea550f766c4fa5dcc4183.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

A little known fact about that very cute blond bimbo...  She's such an airhead she
has to wear diver's lead boots so she doesn't float away.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 15, 2009 6:32 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> around the corner from him.
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 18:20:21 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:20:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <f50a55476dfea550f766c4fa5dcc4183.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20091015212021.KH5L9.6871020.root@mp16>


No kangaroos at the airport, that's like the people that expect to see alligators in my back yard in South Louisiana. I've lived on this bayou fo 20 years and have only seen one here.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Fri Oct 16 02:57:48 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:57:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] K & L engines
Message-ID: <351D959C06804FD3BC3B607F3C591126@shed>

    Kevin and  Russell, was the man with the K & L register at Traralgon, Mr Clark Mayze?
If so, I spoke to him a couple of years back.He was long distance trucking, and way way behind answering questions about the K & L records.  That situation may have changed now.
Good luck with the search
Teddy


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 12:30:49 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:30:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
Message-ID: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>

Hi

Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father, 
with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying 
the same thing

Dolly

********
Hi Folks,
 
Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job 
for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional 
jig saw.
 
Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now 
confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself, 
he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are 
thinking of him.
 
Will keep you posted from time to time.
 
Alastair

******

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Fri Oct 16 12:58:47 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:58:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>

I must have missed it but what happened to him? Doug

Jim French wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father, 
> with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying 
> the same thing
>
> Dolly
>
> ********
> Hi Folks,
>  
> Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job 
> for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional 
> jig saw.
>  
> Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now 
> confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself, 
> he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are 
> thinking of him.
>  
> Will keep you posted from time to time.
>  
> Alastair
>
> ******
>
>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 16 13:37:48 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>
References: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk> <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <292ef3ca4585041a0626fff5c70d5c74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Doug,  Craig fell off a ladder at work (~15 or 20 feet).  Shattered his pelvis and
badly damaged one femur.  Arnie

On Fri, October 16, 2009 3:58 pm, Doug Tallman wrote:
> I must have missed it but what happened to him? Doug
>
> Jim French wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father,
>> with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying
>> the same thing
>>
>> Dolly
>>
>> ********
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job
>> for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional
>> jig saw.
>>
>> Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now
>> confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself,
>> he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are
>> thinking of him.
>>
>> Will keep you posted from time to time.
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> ******
>>
>>
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>




From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 16 21:37:21 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:37:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <A46248DE-B2A8-46AA-8A76-C9684E505BCF@me.com>

Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an  
hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his  
check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS!
	Dave


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 16 21:22:44 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:22:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <2590162.1255753364844.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yes Dave you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any problems

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
>
>Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an  
>hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his  
>check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS!
>	Dave
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Tim Christoff


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 17 02:54:33 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:54:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <A46248DE-B2A8-46AA-8A76-C9684E505BCF@me.com>
Message-ID: <101720090954.690.4AD9945900098473000002B2223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Dave when I was still in business and concerned over a man's check I would call his bank directly and ask them before closing the deal.  Most banks will cooperate.
Good luck!
Curt
-------------- Original message from David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>: -------------- 


> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an 
> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his 
> check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS! 
> Dave 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Oct 17 04:41:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:41:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>

Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to  worry 
about. 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:

Yes Dave  you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any  problems

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: David  Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>To:  The SEL email discussion list  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mike  Shelby?????
>
>Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from  Dallas TX is an  
>hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I  have faith that his  
>check will be good when he gives it to me  tomorrow? THANKS!
>     Dave
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Tim  Christoff
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 16:27:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:27:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>
References: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9689A5F9-D502-4A77-8BE0-E24E3B37294A@me.com>

Thanks Tim and Kevin, The loading went well and the engine is on it's  
way to it's new home!
	Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:41 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:

> Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to  worry
> about.
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Yes Dave  you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any   
> problems
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David  Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>> To:  The SEL email discussion list  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Mike  Shelby?????
>>
>> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from  Dallas TX is an
>> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I  have faith that his
>> check will be good when he gives it to me  tomorrow? THANKS!
>>    Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing  list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim  Christoff
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 16:45:34 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
Message-ID: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>

Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins  
telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!  
Thanks!
	Dave


From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Sat Oct 17 16:34:35 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:34:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
Message-ID: <9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>

740-504-7021 is what I have.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????

Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins  
telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!  
Thanks!
	Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 17:08:26 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:08:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
	<9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <A22D9426-488F-4CEC-9895-8017819F256A@me.com>

THANKS Wayne. That's the one I needed!!!!!!!!!
	Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Wayne Thackery wrote:

> 740-504-7021 is what I have.
>
> Wayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
>
> Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins
> telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!
> Thanks!
> 	Dave
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>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 17 17:19:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
Message-ID: <f732c54a1c7ff9fe659cab583d86b1df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

http://www.davehawkins.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hawkins

http://names.whitepages.com/Ohio/David/Hawkins#

Hope that helps.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, October 17, 2009 7:45 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins
> telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!





From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 18 07:24:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <292ef3ca4585041a0626fff5c70d5c74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECHIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie & Group:

Thanks for letting us know what happened.  Please make sure Craig and his family are sent my best wishes and the strong admonishment to stay away from tall ladders (and, by the way, sharp pointy objects) in the future!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 03:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on Craig
> 
> 
> Doug,  Craig fell off a ladder at work (~15 or 20 
> feet).  Shattered his pelvis and
> badly damaged one femur.  Arnie




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 13:10:39 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week--- Now old Messages
In-Reply-To: <49465.124.180.55.84.1255607119.squirrel@webmail.exetel.com.au>
Message-ID: <771556.56037.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a copy of the email I am thinking about???
It seems like it was one of our Australian members was moving.
He was a collector of old radios and had something like three shipping container/sheds full of them.? The company that he hired to move them sent too small of a truck and wound up busting the truck.
?
It was quite a story.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, plowe at exemail.com.au <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:


From: plowe at exemail.com.au <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:45 AM


Hi all
I am off line for a week, moving house. everything will stay the same
accept for my address. More when I come back

Peter, Oz

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 13:12:35 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <9689A5F9-D502-4A77-8BE0-E24E3B37294A@me.com>
Message-ID: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What engine did you load, Dave?

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:27 PM


Thanks Tim and Kevin, The loading went well and the engine is on it's? 
way to it's new home!
??? Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:41 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:

> Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to? worry
> about.
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Yes Dave? you can.? I have delt with him and have not had any???
> problems
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David? Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>> To:? The SEL email discussion list? <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Mike? Shelby?????
>>
>> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from? Dallas TX is an
>> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I? have faith that his
>> check will be good when he gives it to me? tomorrow? THANKS!
>>? ? Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing? list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim? Christoff
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 14:11:21 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:11:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Huisman Auctions - Leaders in the Auction Field
Message-ID: <cc1.6214cc0d.380cde79@aol.com>

Hi,
Here is an auction of some interesting iron.  It will be held  in Fresno, 
California on 10/31/09.
Here is the Huisman Auctions web site -  
_http://huismanauction.com/auction/38784_EngineAuction.asp_ 
(http://huismanauction.com/auction/38784_EngineAuction.asp) 
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 03:53:36 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
Message-ID: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND MAGNET CHARGING.? I'LL START BY SAYING THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WORKED IN A SMALL-ENGINE REPAIR SHOP.? TO REASSEMBLE THESE? AIR-COOLED?ENGINES ( BRIGGS, CLINTONS, TECUMSEHS, ETC ) THE VALVES WERE SET TO SIMULTANEOUSLY?CLOSE( EX. ) AND OPEN (IN.) ?AT TOP DEAD CENTER.? THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON DIAGRAMS ATTACHED TO LARGER JAPANESE ENGINES.? WHY THE DIFFERENCE?
?? I'M NOW DOING A 7HP KUBOTA THAT HAS BEEN INACTIVE FOR MANY DECADES.??THUS FAR, I HAVE MATED THE FACTORY TIMING MARKS ON CRANK GEAR AND CAM GEAR. ?NOT HAVING PRECISE TOOLS FOR MEASURING ANGLES, MY RULE OF THUMB ( ACTUALLY THE ANGLE BETWEEN FOREFINGER AND MIDDLE FINGER WHEN FULLY EXTENDED) IS TO HAVE EXHAUST VALVE START TO OPEN BEFORE BOTTOM DEAD CENTER AT ABOUT THE ABOVE ANGLE.? I CAN FINE-TUNE THIS BY ADJUSTING PUSH-ROD LENGTH.? VALVE CLOSURE IS DETERMINED BY CAM ACTION.
?? IF I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO FAR, PLEASE TELL ME SUITABLE PARAMETERS FOR INTAKE SETTINGS.? THIS ENGINE WILL NOT BE CALLED UPON TO DELIVER WORK;? MUSIC WILL BE ITS PRINCIPAL OUTPUT.? IT WILL NOT BE?DELIBERATELY SLOW-TIMED TO HAVE COOLING WATER BOILING VIGOROUSLY -- AS SOME OF MY JAPANESE MATES LIKE TO DO.? GREAT FOR HARD BOILING EGGS.
??? CORRECT ME IF I ERR ON THE FOLLOWING:??I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT TO RE-MAGNETIZE A PERMANENT MAGNET A SATURATED FIELD IS REQUIRED -- LOTS OF AMPERE-TURNS, MANY, MANY?GAUSS.? I SEE SOME MAGNET CHARGERS ADVERTISED SHOWING A SMALL, MICKEY MOUSE COIL AND A PUNY 6v. BATTERY.? THIS SUGGESTS THAT A FEW GAUSS, PERHAPS OVER A LONGER TIME, WILL DO THE TRICK.? COMMENTS PLEASE.
I HAVE HEARD OLD TIMERS STATE THE NEED FOR VIBRATION DURING THE PROCESS.? THE YOUNGER GUYS?TEND TO?SCOFF.? WHAT ARE THE FACTS?? ANY 
Ph. D.s OR E. E.s OUT THERE?
( Not the Piled higher and Deeper kind.)? BILL
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp 


      

From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 05:24:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:24:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
Message-ID: <c18.65eca462.380db491@aol.com>

Bill,
 
Check out this.
 
_http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Equipment/WICO-MAGNETO-CYCLE-OF-OPERATIO
N-TYPE-EK.aspx_ 
(http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Equipment/WICO-MAGNETO-CYCLE-OF-OPERATION-TYPE-EK.aspx) 
 
  On the left hand column, there are several articles on  
building/charging/etc.  Also within the articles are more sites for  chargers.  Personal 
opinion is the better the charger (not necessarily the  most expensive), the 
better the charge!
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 05:29:33 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:29:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Huisman Auctions - Leaders in the Auction Field
Message-ID: <d3f.4c2ed59c.380db5ad@aol.com>

Looks like he had some nice stuff.  Going to be a good sale!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 19 07:15:00 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1650.165.206.180.130.1255961700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

As a degreed mechanic who has held various certifications on small engine
repair and was an authorized warranty repair person for various brands
back in the 70s - and as a professional auto mechanic - it's pretty easy
to comment on the valve issue.
Valve timing is a science - just ask those who have cams custom ground for
specific needs for performance, etc. There are grinds for performance in
general, for top end performance, and for low-end torque or grunt. There
are grinds for more MPG as well.
Valve timing will vary from engine to engine, maker to maker. You need to
follow the *Manufacturer's recommendations* for the most part, unless you
know what you are doing. Otherwise the side effects can be:
Lower dynamic compression - or even higher dynamic compression (NOT
talking about "static compression)
or
You can shift the power band up or down depending on which way you shift
the valve opening and closing, valve overlap, etc.
You can impact idle - make it so it won't idle worth a crap, or have a
"rough idle".
There's opening angle, closing angle, lobe separation, lift, ramp
acceleration, and more......

Do not second guess them unless you know what the heck you are doing.
Yeah, this applies to antiques as well as modern Honda engines running at
10,000 RPM.

for magnets.....
Vibrations do assist in the "lining up" of the poles on the molecular
structure while charging.
You do need to get as strong a field as possible, a weak charger means the
magnets won't reach their full potential no matter how hard you bang on
them or how long or many times you charge them.
More winds, more power through the windings means more magnetic strength.
This translates into better charged magnets. Yes, a weak lame charger can
charge a dead magnet so it may work, but it won't be good.
Weak magnets mean weak spark.
There's a science to this..... and a lot of very good web sites on this
issue - some of the best ones are AIRCRAFT related...... (wonder why they
are so concerned about good magnet strength?? I don't get that....)
Sort of like auto ignition coils - more power through the windings longer
means the lines of force are stronger, and when the collapse, you get more
output. So you need the strongest magnets you can get - this means you
need a strong charger.

The younger guys are "shade-treers" and didn't pay attention in their
science classes, IMO.

> HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND
> MAGNET CHARGING.? I'LL START BY SAYING THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WORKED IN A
> SMALL-ENGINE REPAIR SHOP.? TO REASSEMBLE THESE? AIR-COOLED?ENGINES (
> BRIGGS, CLINTONS, TECUMSEHS, ETC ) THE VALVES WERE SET TO
> SIMULTANEOUSLY?CLOSE( EX. ) AND OPEN (IN.) ?AT TOP DEAD CENTER.? THIS IS
> NOT WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON DIAGRAMS ATTACHED TO LARGER JAPANESE ENGINES.? WHY
> THE DIFFERENCE?
> ?? I'M NOW DOING A 7HP KUBOTA THAT HAS BEEN INACTIVE FOR MANY
> DECADES.??THUS FAR, I HAVE MATED THE FACTORY TIMING MARKS ON CRANK GEAR
> AND CAM GEAR. ?NOT HAVING PRECISE TOOLS FOR MEASURING ANGLES, MY RULE OF
> THUMB ( ACTUALLY THE ANGLE BETWEEN FOREFINGER AND MIDDLE FINGER WHEN FULLY
> EXTENDED) IS TO HAVE EXHAUST VALVE START TO OPEN BEFORE BOTTOM DEAD CENTER
> AT ABOUT THE ABOVE ANGLE.? I CAN FINE-TUNE THIS BY ADJUSTING PUSH-ROD
> LENGTH.? VALVE CLOSURE IS DETERMINED BY CAM ACTION.
> ?? IF I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO FAR, PLEASE TELL ME SUITABLE PARAMETERS
> FOR INTAKE SETTINGS.? THIS ENGINE WILL NOT BE CALLED UPON TO DELIVER
> WORK;? MUSIC WILL BE ITS PRINCIPAL OUTPUT.? IT WILL NOT BE?DELIBERATELY
> SLOW-TIMED TO HAVE COOLING WATER BOILING VIGOROUSLY -- AS SOME OF MY
> JAPANESE MATES LIKE TO DO.? GREAT FOR HARD BOILING EGGS.
> ??? CORRECT ME IF I ERR ON THE FOLLOWING:??I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT TO
> RE-MAGNETIZE A PERMANENT MAGNET A SATURATED FIELD IS REQUIRED -- LOTS OF
> AMPERE-TURNS, MANY, MANY?GAUSS.? I SEE SOME MAGNET CHARGERS ADVERTISED
> SHOWING A SMALL, MICKEY MOUSE COIL AND A PUNY 6v. BATTERY.? THIS SUGGESTS
> THAT A FEW GAUSS, PERHAPS OVER A LONGER TIME, WILL DO THE TRICK.? COMMENTS
> PLEASE.
> I HAVE HEARD OLD TIMERS STATE THE NEED FOR VIBRATION DURING THE PROCESS.?
> THE YOUNGER GUYS?TEND TO?SCOFF.? WHAT ARE THE FACTS?? ANY
> Ph. D.s OR E. E.s OUT THERE?
> ( Not the Piled higher and Deeper kind.)? BILL
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 19 08:25:40 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:25:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill:

First, just a little reminder to not use all capital letters.  No biggie but it's too much like shouting and hurts our eyes.

Anyway, per the valve timing, I assume you are talking about a low speed flywheel engine with atmospheric ("automatic" or "suction") intake valve.  If that's the case, the exhaust should open around 40 degrees before bottom dead center and close just a little past top dead center.  I find that most engines like to have the exhaust just closed just a few degrees past TDC.  A little fiddling with that may optomize performance a little.

As far as boiling of a hopper cooled engine is concerned, if it is throttle governed, it will eventually come to a boil even at no load, no matter how the ignition is timed.  The heat is dissipated via the boiling process, not by radiation so boiling is the normal running temperature.  If the engine is hit and miss and is running right and not pulling a load, it may never reach boiling.

As far as magnet charging is concerned, you need a very strong field in order to properly charge any truly magnetic material.  That means LOTS of ampere-turns.  The charging field needs to be several times stronger than the magnetized strength of the material being charged to overcome hysteresis in the individual poles and turn them far enough in the same direction that they stay there.  Having said that, I've just exhausted my knowledge of magnet charging and defer to the superior knowledge of others.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 05:54 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
> 
> 
> HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO 
> TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND MAGNET CHARGING.?

.......................snip......................................

? BILL
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 19 08:46:44 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1899.165.206.180.130.1255967204.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Gee, that knowledge looks good from here!


> Bill:
>
> First, just a little reminder to not use all capital letters.  No biggie
> but it's too much like shouting and hurts our eyes.
>
> Anyway, per the valve timing, I assume you are talking about a low speed
> flywheel engine with atmospheric ("automatic" or "suction") intake valve.
> If that's the case, the exhaust should open around 40 degrees before
> bottom dead center and close just a little past top dead center.  I find
> that most engines like to have the exhaust just closed just a few degrees
> past TDC.  A little fiddling with that may optomize performance a little.
>
> As far as boiling of a hopper cooled engine is concerned, if it is
> throttle governed, it will eventually come to a boil even at no load, no
> matter how the ignition is timed.  The heat is dissipated via the boiling
> process, not by radiation so boiling is the normal running temperature.
> If the engine is hit and miss and is running right and not pulling a load,
> it may never reach boiling.
>
> As far as magnet charging is concerned, you need a very strong field in
> order to properly charge any truly magnetic material.  That means LOTS of
> ampere-turns.  The charging field needs to be several times stronger than
> the magnetized strength of the material being charged to overcome
> hysteresis in the individual poles and turn them far enough in the same
> direction that they stay there.  Having said that, I've just exhausted my
> knowledge of magnet charging and defer to the superior knowledge of
> others.   :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:22:23 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:22:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>


back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 		 	   		  
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 11:45:30 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:45:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <cd4.58da3fc8.380e0dca@aol.com>

Luke,
 
Very tragic!  I once worked on a barn fire engine all winter, bolt by  
bolt.  When I finally got the piston out, the cylinder was cracked 360  degrees 
on one end.  A 4 hp Famous.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Oct 19 11:50:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:50:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <97DEA5E9AABF418C8D5CE52D6FADACCC@tommyd0x52gkco>

Ouch Luke.  I remember you posting info about a fire.  Looks like the
JD's took the worst hit.  I assume the barn had an upper and lower floor
with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
didn't creal over or the wheels warp.  If the engines were on the ground
floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn.  Just curious, do
they know a cause?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:22 PM
To: Engine List
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that
burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting
after the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay
right now. That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original
size, they are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 		 	   		  
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 12:04:17 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:04:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire
Message-ID: <20091019190415.E0C2F302870@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

That 's gut wrenching. It makes a tornado look good! Hope fully no one saw
it and sprayed water on it.. Otherwise the stuff is worth $ ,04 a LB.. My
condolences. Jimmy



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 12:15:11 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <857777.65157.qm@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Luke,
Those photos really send a chill down my spine. it looks like that was a pretty nice collection before the fire. I notice one crawler in there, is is a BO Lindemann? Someone will want that one for parts, they are a neat little rig. I have a friend who has one, I look like a bear riding a tricycle when I get on it.....
I once got a couple of 1-1/2 hp M's given to me that had been through a fire. The oilers were melted, the EK's were toast (literally) and all of the springs were shot. The solder joints on the fuel tanks were melted apart. I spent a winter on them and a bundle on parts, but I was amazed at how easy they came apart. Every stud in the block came right out but every time you removed a fastener, you got a nasty burnt smell.
I have heard horror stories about engines that had been in a fire, and I think it is a real "pig in a poke" when you buy an engine in a fire. 
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
> 
> back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends
> barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone
> else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there
> are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what
> prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they
> are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> 
>  ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 19 12:17:42 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:17:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire
References: <20091019190415.E0C2F302870@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <19E1A91E2A2E41D9B2FF9FCBA270E9A9@D6R3D961>

well lets see one million pounds times .04 is still $40,000 that will buy 
some beans
there is alot of iron there
looks like a storage out building away from the house. most likely no power. 
makes you wonder how it started??


Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
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website, scrapologist.com
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Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire


> That 's gut wrenching. It makes a tornado look good! Hope fully no one saw
> it and sprayed water on it.. Otherwise the stuff is worth $ ,04 a LB.. My
> condolences. Jimmy
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 13:28:46 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:28:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <ce9.62bbea05.380e25fe@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/19/2009 1:31:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG



Luke---
 thanks for the good pics--  makes your stomach turn  flip-flops---
  Stan Zettner
 Pleasanton, Tx


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 16:46:11 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:46:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AAFEF01EBE0A4DCC8BA3621A8971B8CF@PAUL>

Thanks Luke for the pictures. I have been seeing some of these show up on 
Harry's Classifieds.

I had to sell all of my engines to pay bills and taxes and to pay to raise 
these grandkids but now I am trying to find a fixer upper I can afford so I 
will have something to work on during this Winter which will allow me to 
still be part of my SEL family. All I have left to work with is some of my 
Social Security and I was looking at these but I thought his prices were a 
little high and then I have never worked on a burned engine, I know the 
bearings would all be melted out of them and I think with my limited ability 
I better pass.

It sure is a shame to see someone have to loose their old iron in a fire and 
I feel for him. Thanks for the pictures, they sure are a reminder what can 
happen unexpectantly.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


>
> back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that burnt 
> down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting after 
> the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay right now. 
> That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they are 
> a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
>
> 



From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 17:02:40 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:02:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c0c.6b6d82e3.380e5820@aol.com>

Hi there Paul-=----
  Stan here in Pleasanton, Tx--  just  wondering---   would you happen to 
be any kin to a Hugh Maples,   in Seguin , Texas???   He owned an electric 
company years  ago---retired now!
    Gosh I know trhe feeling about SS---it's my  main go also---   hope I 
don't have to sell my 8hp Stover,  been  trying to get it finished for 4 
years!  Just about ready to start it  up!  ha--  take care now---
  Stan


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 19 17:18:44 2009
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:18:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <61E85925E5614183B8610320322C1197@bd32d875216e74>

After seeing the damage done by the fire I am looking at Insurance for or 
Engines, has anyone in Australia a contact for comprehensive cover for 
Engine Collectors?
Brian.
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 17:42:27 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:42:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c0c.6b6d82e3.380e5820@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DEB8AC4084E14E389EE39B699C6001F8@PAUL>

Hello Stan,

No relation to Hugh, at least none I know of.

I had to sell my pride and joy which was my 1905 5-1/2 HP Model C Vertical 
Stover. I had spent several years restoring it and had it mechanically 
restored and in primer and then had to sell it, it broke my heart. My good 
friend, Steve Royster, bought it and has been showing it at some of the 
engine shows and he sends me pictures of Old Red as I called the engine.

The wife and I have been raising our two grandson for the last 10 years with 
no help from anyone and then I got laid off from my job of 35 years and 
ended up having to sell all of my engines to support the family. Sort of the 
same fix most folks are in these days.

Old engines are my love and I am trying to find an old fixer upper I can 
afford just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me from 
being so depressed.

You hang on to that Stover and I would love to see some pictures of your 8 
HP Stover.

Thanks for writing,

Paul

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Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Hi there Paul-=----




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 03:57:32 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:57:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <97DEA5E9AABF418C8D5CE52D6FADACCC@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy,

 

It was lightning. Here is the article that was written right after the fire. 

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html

 

You are correct about the JD's being on the upper floor and engines down below. You can still see that in the link above.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

==========================
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> 
> Ouch Luke. I remember you posting info about a fire. Looks like the
> JD's took the worst hit. I assume the barn had an upper and lower floor
> with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
> The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
> didn't creal over or the wheels warp. If the engines were on the ground
> floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
> gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn. Just curious, do
> they know a cause?
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 04:01:13 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:01:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <857777.65157.qm@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W2692B99CB1EE97EBAEEDDCC8C00@phx.gbl>


Hi Joe,

 

Yep, it is a Lindemann that was burnt up. I don't believe that one was all done up like the one in the background of the photos I sent. Fortunately he had several other out buildings with goodies in them along with his garage. He didn't lose everything.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


============================

 
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:15:11 -0700
> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> Hi Luke,
> Those photos really send a chill down my spine. it looks like that was a pretty nice collection before the fire. I notice one crawler in there, is is a BO Lindemann? Someone will want that one for parts, they are a neat little rig. I have a friend who has one, I look like a bear riding a tricycle when I get on it.....
> I once got a couple of 1-1/2 hp M's given to me that had been through a fire. The oilers were melted, the EK's were toast (literally) and all of the springs were shot. The solder joints on the fuel tanks were melted apart. I spent a winter on them and a bundle on parts, but I was amazed at how easy they came apart. Every stud in the block came right out but every time you removed a fastener, you got a nasty burnt smell.
> I have heard horror stories about engines that had been in a fire, and I think it is a real "pig in a poke" when you buy an engine in a fire. 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> > To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
> > 
> > back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends
> > barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone
> > else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there
> > are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what
> > prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they
> > are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > 
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > 
> > USA 
> > 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Oct 20 05:10:09 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:10:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5D93DB36EE641F1A87AABD021395823@tommyd0x52gkco>

Thanks Luke.  That photo tells a lot.  You can see the flywheels in the
flames.  I once saw lightning strike a large tree.  Immediately the
entire tree was engulfed in flames and it looked as if every branch was
on fire.  I doubt the engines and tractors could have been saved if the
Fire Dept. had been located next door to the barn.

Tommy Turner




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:58 AM
To: Engine List
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


Hi Tommy,

 

It was lightning. Here is the article that was written right after the
fire. 

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strik
es_suspected_in.html

 

You are correct about the JD's being on the upper floor and engines down
below. You can still see that in the link above.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

==========================
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> 
> Ouch Luke. I remember you posting info about a fire. Looks like the
> JD's took the worst hit. I assume the barn had an upper and lower
floor
> with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
> The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
> didn't creal over or the wheels warp. If the engines were on the
ground
> floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
> gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn. Just curious, do
> they know a cause?
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 		 	   		  
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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 05:17:43 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:17:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c9e.563f13f4.380f0467@aol.com>

Hi again Paul---
   Gee thanks for the RE----
      Yes, we gonna' try to hang on  to what we have---  I'm not even going 
to think about getting  another---just cannot afford it!  I will get some 
pics gathered up and send  them when I get a chance!   They are also my 
loving fun stuff as I  grew up with them---(and Model-A Fords too)---LOL!
  take care and will holler soon---gee thanks  again!
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton,  Tx---                     I'm an old '40 model---ha haaa


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 05:19:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me 
from 
being  so depressed.



also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds great---at 
least you know where it is at!
 Stan


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 20 08:57:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEDGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

What with the heat of the fire and the fire hoses, it's my guess that most of those engines will end up being just the occasional repair part for another.

Sad to see.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

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> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Luke
> Tonneberger
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 05:58 AM
> To: Engine List
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures




From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct 20 12:30:03 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:30:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Hi,
Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
won't self prime anymore.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Oct 20 12:50:19 2009
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:50:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4ADE147B.8080509@coastalnet.com>

Jack Welton  Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com


Ken



curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Oct 20 12:58:22 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:58:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W3683762C7D96B3769DD7CDB4C00@phx.gbl>


Curt;

 

Lehmans has all those in various sizes, google lehmans

or see if this works

 

www.lehmans.com

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:30:03 -0600
> From: curt at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
> 
> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
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From jacob.warner at pdahome.com  Tue Oct 20 13:01:06 2009
From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:01:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <72583e410910201301k57c26976l4e4bd2f8c149f147@mail.gmail.com>

Jack's Number is 330-714-1376
I recently bought some leather cups and pump parts from him. Super nice guy!
-Jacob

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM, <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 13:29:08 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:29:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>

You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and is 
doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. I 
am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me
> from
> being  so depressed.
>
>
>
> also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds 
> great---at
> least you know where it is at!
> Stan
> _______________________________________________




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 13:30:13 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:30:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c9e.563f13f4.380f0467@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3EB6688CDFDB43DC967A256660443AB0@PAUL>

Thanks Stan I will be anxiously awaiting to see the pictures.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Hi again Paul---
>   Gee thanks for the RE----
>      Yes, we gonna' try to hang on  to what we have---  I'm not even going
> to think about getting  another---just cannot afford it!  I will get some
> pics gathered up and send  them when I get a chance!   They are also my
> loving fun stuff as I  grew up with them---(and Model-A Fords too)---LOL!
>  take care and will holler soon---gee thanks  again!
> Stan Zettner
> Pleasanton,  Tx---                     I'm an old '40 model---ha haaa
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Oct 20 13:50:51 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:50:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and is 
doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. I 
am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.

Paul



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 14:23:11 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:23:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul

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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> 




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 14:47:49 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:47:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20091020214747.BDA4C65B49D@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Paul, please add me to the picture list. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
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paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> 


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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Oct 20 15:01:53 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:01:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
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Paul,

Send me the pictures so I can see your engine.  Sounds like a real nice one. 

Although I'd still be surprised if it wasn't under a blue tarp when not at a show ;-)

I could have given it a good home too, plus none of my engines are under tarps :-)

George

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 17:27:23 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:27:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <005701ca51e5$427e8930$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Go to Youtube and type in       vertical stover

There is your baby running in your shop!

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> is
> doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> I
> am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <gastzt at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me
>> from
>> being  so depressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds
>> great---at
>> least you know where it is at!
>> Stan
>> _______________________________________________
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 17:31:01 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <007601ca51e5$c4739430$d0624b47@mikecomp>

NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> is
> doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> I
> am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 17:37:14 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<005701ca51e5$427e8930$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <51A79458D851494980A7462A7AA4974D@PAUL>

Yeah but it does not look as good as it does now after Steve gave it a face 
lift. I found the pictures Steve took at the recent show and have forwarded 
them to those who wanted to see it as it is today.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Go to Youtube and type in       vertical stover
>
> There is your baby running in your shop!
>
> Mike Royster
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
>
>> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and
>> is
>> 




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 18:20:10 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:20:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <007601ca51e5$c4739430$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>


It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this weekend! Steve
 
> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
> 
> MR
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> 
> > Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> > You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> > is
> > doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> > I
> > am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the 
> > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 18:50:34 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:50:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A7AE94390019490CA146ACFFD3915FE1@PAUL>

I cannot wait to see them Steve, you and Old Red have a big time at the 
show.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures



It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... 
and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this 
weekend! Steve

> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
> NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
>
> 




From obise at moscow.com  Tue Oct 20 19:24:52 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:24:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh
Message-ID: <4923C2BAE17349A4B77EBBF499EC99F7@CathyComp>

I just received this from an acquaintance.  Is there anyone from Edinburgh,
or nearby, who might show a mighty fine fellow around the neighborhood?
Sean is a friend of mine who is one of the finest gentlemen I've ever known.
Here are some pictures of him in action:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/pic_spin.htm

 

If you have any travel tips for Sean, let me know and I'll put you in touch
with him.

 

Best regards, 

 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
To: machineshop at morrisonandmarvin.com; Orrin Iseminger; Carl Carlsen
Subject: Edinburgh

 



Sean is tagging along with mother-in-law to a conference and needs some
places to visit and engine people to meet.  With your extensive web contacts
can you find him a contact?

I went to a engine club meeting close to there and there is a great ag
museum to the west as I remember.  I don't remember any names.

EngineShop (with dead backhoe)



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 20 19:29:04 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <9589073.1256092144568.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It won't take long before that crisp white tarp is covered with nice dark spotty oil marks.

Tim


>
>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this weekend! Steve


Tim Christoff


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 19:35:42 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:35:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c99.56e9c018.380fcd7e@aol.com>

Gosh!  I really want to see that old engine too---one of  these days when 
we can get a whole tank of gas--LOL!    You guys  ARE fun!
 Stan


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 19:36:36 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:36:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <9589073.1256092144568.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601ca51f7$500642c0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I know Tim, it is soooooo embarassing for the family!

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> It won't take long before that crisp white tarp is covered with nice dark 
> spotty oil marks.
>
> Tim
>
>
>>
>>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... 
>>and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this 
>>weekend! Steve
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 21 00:20:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:20:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh
References: <4923C2BAE17349A4B77EBBF499EC99F7@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <002d01ca521f$082d22c0$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh


>I just received this from an acquaintance.  Is there anyone from Edinburgh,
> or nearby, who might show a mighty fine fellow around the neighborhood?
> Sean is a friend of mine who is one of the finest gentlemen I've ever known.
> Here are some pictures of him in action:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/pic_spin.htm
> If you have any travel tips for Sean, let me know and I'll put you in touch
> with him.
> Best regards,  Orrin

Hi Orrin, Which Ediburgh are you requiring?
Our Scottish variety or one of the four that are in the USA.
If it is our Edinburgh I will try on the British list for you!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 04:08:37 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <102120091108.5899.4ADEEBB5000BE90C0000170B223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Curt,
I still have a good amount of NOS leather cups/washers.  What size do you need?
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from curt at rustyiron.com: -------------- 


> Hi, 
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow 
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it 
> won't self prime anymore. 
> Thanks, 
> Curt Holland 
> Gastonia, NC 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 04:19:23 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:19:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] McDonald
In-Reply-To: <C6FD2494.2ED6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <C705396B.2CCA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

If anyone knows much about McDonalds please reply direct to Bill at the
address below.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


------ Forwarded Message
From: William Minehane <bill at minehane.com>


 ? I have recently been given the above engine but at this stage cannot find
out anything about it ? no numbers I have seen are like mine ,--1717C
--- most that I have read about have CD etc but nothing with the  ?C?.


I would at least like to know year of manufacture and HP.

Thanking you 

Bill Minehane




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 21 04:21:42 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:21:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com><59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<102120091108.5899.4ADEEBB5000BE90C0000170B223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <84177BCF8B6840C7B46912F8B8B8ABE9@REGsServer>

I tried to contact you off list but my mail was refused.
(5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'210.50.76.235 blocked by 
ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net\nBlocked for abuse)
What sizes do you have please?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Phone number?


> Curt,
> I still have a good amount of NOS leather cups/washers.  What size do you 
> need?
> Curt Andree
> -------------- Original message from curt at rustyiron.com: -------------- 
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
>> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
>> won't self prime anymore.
>> Thanks,
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 05:09:23 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:09:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all 
the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the 
dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
Russ


At 12:20 PM 21/10/2009, you wrote:

>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this 
>weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of 
>our show after this weekend! Steve
>
> > From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> > NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
> >
> > MR
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> >
> > > Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> > >
> > > You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and
> > > is
> > > doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks 
> can enjoy it.
> > > I
> > > am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the
> > > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and 
> confidential.
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> attachments
> > > from your system.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Oct 21 05:19:02 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:19:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <cae.519c6aa7.38105636@aol.com>

Paul--
  where abouts is Steve located at?   Be fun to  see that old engine 
someday--! thanks again--
 Stan


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 05:50:54 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Valve adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1650.165.206.180.130.1255961700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <267122.35811.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill-san, Thank you ( and Elden, too?) ?for your prompt replies.? I was aware of some of the factors you mentioned about?cam design and valve timing,
???Perhaps the following info will be of interest to you.? This moderately old 8hp Kubota engine?has 6 in. bore, 8 in. stroke and flywheels of 2 3/4 in, width, 27 3/4 in. diameter so you can see it is no Pygmy.
? This engine will probably never again be called upon to do an honest day's work.??I?hope to have it start easily and run smoothly.? Valves set properly should help here but cam lobe design is fixed.? I hope to have different mufflers -- one producing a throaty roar, another a muted whisper and a third, the smoke ring blower.
??? Because "Manufacturer's recommendations" are not available,?I made this appeal to the SEL crew.?Thus far I have mated crank shaft gear and cam gear timing marks, which would be in keeping with mfg's design.? Next, using adjustment on exh. push rod, I set?the exh. valve to open about 30 degrees before bdc.? These are "eyeball" degrees, estimated degrees.? I know i could count gear teeth, do some arithmetic and get a closer estimate.? i also know this engine will never be expected to excell or compete in any of the categories you mentioned.?? My last option is ( I think ) to make whatever? adjustment?I can?by playing with intake push rod length.? Can you tell me what??optimum remaining setting?I seek?to achieve?these parameters:? Long engine life;? smooth engine running at lower speeds;? lower operating temperature under "no load" condition?
P.S.? I'm willing to start all over again should you come up with something better? -- no cam grinding, please.? Thanks,? Bill
?? 




      

From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 08:34:40 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Valve adjustments
In-Reply-To: <267122.35811.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEDOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill:

I can get my Fairbanks-Morse ZC-52 engine (automatic intake valve) to idle at it's best by adjusting the exhaust valve lash to fine-tune it.  Adjusting the lash has a slight effect on the valve timing.  

That's after all the fuel mixer and ignition timing tweaks are done.

Ignition: Timed for just a tad after TDC for idle, changeable to about 20 degrees BTDC for 500 RPM.

Ignition device: Home-manufactured solid-state.

Intake valve spring strength: Stock spring, tweaked for best operation.

Mixer choke: Spring tension adjusted with needle valve for best operation at both low and high speeds.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 07:51 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve adjustments
> 
.........................................snip.......................
> Can you 
> tell me what??optimum remaining setting?I seek?to 
> achieve?these parameters:? Long engine life;? 
> smooth engine running at lower speeds;? lower 
> operating temperature under "no load" condition?
> P.S.? I'm willing to start all over again should 
> you come up with something better? -- no cam 
> grinding, please.? Thanks,? Bill




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 07:56:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
	<20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

Clean?  What is this strange concept of which you speak?
Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> Russ





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:06:47 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>



Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have listed on Ebay

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

 

started at $.01 with no reserve
 		 	   		  
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 10:52:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:52:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration.  Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Specifically I need to know the KVA rating (data plate is hard to read) and any technical specs that can be gleaned about it.

Thanks and take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From obise at moscow.com  Wed Oct 21 09:49:17 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:49:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh/Sean
In-Reply-To: <27a597cb0910210850l2739caaey310b02a6c6f7506c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27a597cb0910210850l2739caaey310b02a6c6f7506c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <671B5181F8FB48CCA6E2A004CC916B8A@CathyComp>

Thank you, Roland.  I'll pass the word along.

            Best regards, 

                        Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Orrin Iseminger
Subject: Sean

 

Orrin,  this is Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.

His mom in law is involved with child trafficking and has a conference there
and Sean can get a cheap ticket.  It is in the middle of Nov.  Will find out
the dates.

Roland



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 10:23:49 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aa1be895d11ed4feff11d055b2059ebf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 10:22:37 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>




From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 10:30:22 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:30:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W28C68F1B5EE0B9B9A50633C2BF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Arnie,

 

That wasn't my engine,  I think that was Ryan McClanahan's 5HP that he had there for sale.

 

Thanks

Tom
 
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
> next to the field? That's a really sweet looking engine!!
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> > listed on Ebay
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
> >
> 
> 
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From swebre at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:12:37 2009
From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:12:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>


Russ, 

> Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all the info on how to clean our 
> white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!

Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....

-Steve- 


 		 	   		  

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 13:19:53 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:19:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>

Arnie,
	I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>


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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 14:14:28 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:14:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>


Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for my engines! Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
> 
> G'day Russ,
> 
> Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
> Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> > Russ
> 
> 
> 
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 21 14:36:34 2009
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:36:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
References: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>

You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson Eden 
Aust
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB


> Arnie,
> I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
> it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
>
> Tom,
>
> Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
> the sale area
> next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> that I have
>> listed on Ebay
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>>
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 15:21:28 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:21:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021222101.28A7734000D@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Hahaha Mate send some photo's LOL
Russ


At 08:14 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:

>Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , 
>starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for 
>my engines! Steve
>
> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
> > From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
> >
> > G'day Russ,
> >
> > Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
> > Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
> >
> > See ya, Arnie
> >
> > On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> > > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> > > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> > > Russ
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 15:33:29 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:33:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>
Message-ID: <244AD12D31F241A5AB53D8EEBB00C89D@DBTOA000>

John,
	Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Renee
Mathieson
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson
Eden 
Aust




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Oct 21 15:36:45 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:36:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>
References: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091021183616.0d15ed60@ncweb.com>

Going to check my lottery tickets tonite for sure!

Dave Merchant


At 05:36 PM 10/21/2009, Renee Mathieson wrote:
>You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson Eden
>Aust
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
>
>
> > Arnie,
> > I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
> > it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
> > the sale area
> > next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
> >>
> >> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> > that I have
> >> listed on Ebay
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
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From obise at moscow.com  Wed Oct 21 15:45:29 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:45:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: Edinburgh/Sean
Message-ID: <1B499E9382CA468EA8F50DF69797B450@CathyComp>

Here are the "vitals" for Sean's visit to Edinburgh, Scotland.  If anyone
can point him in an interesting direction, it will make all of us happy.

            Best regards, 

                        Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:31 PM
To: Orrin Iseminger
Cc: cuspinner at clearwire.net
Subject: Sean

 

Sean will be in Edinburgh Nov 6,7,8,and part of 9

Sean's email is cuspinner at clearwire.net

Maybe he and the Scottish fellow should make arrangements so I don't get
jealous.

Roland



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 16:24:45 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:24:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021232418.1DDD737804A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Yeh Steve I was thinkin they would just throw them away.

At 05:12 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:

>Russ,
>
> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us 
> all the info on how to clean our
> > white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they 
> accumulate over a show weekend!
>
>Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....
>
>-Steve-
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 21 17:55:20 2009
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (Bill Grimley)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] North Carolina Ken Eder Tractor Show dates?
Message-ID: <818853.90922.qm@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

November 6,7,8 

?http://www.edervillenc.com/

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] North Carolina Show?
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:16 PM

Not sure when the show is this year but I chatted with Ken at Denton and
he invited me down.? Sadly I didn't write down the date.? I've chatted
with several folks who have been there and like Bill, they were very
impressed.? Ken has amassed a tremendous collection.

Tommy
 Turner
Magnolia, KY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Grimley
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] North Carolina Show?

Well it strikes me as unbelievable.? Never have seen so much stuff all
in one place, but I never went to Oscar's.? Must be about 75-100 steam
tractors, at least 500 gas tractors, most all of it running and under
sheds. Lots of the bigger old big tractors. Plus many other related
things.? Saw Bob Lefever there last November and think he was in shock
also. Haven't seen any dates for an open house this year; might be first
weekend in
 November.




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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 21 18:24:05 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
Message-ID: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have been infested with a Royster virus.  

Tim


>John,
>	Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:40:51 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:40:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c101ca52b8$b047b530$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I don't use white tarps, I can't afford them!!!

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps


>
> Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , 
> starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for my 
> engines! Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
>> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
>>
>> G'day Russ,
>>
>> Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
>> Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
>>
>> See ya, Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
>> > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
>> > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
>> > Russ
>>
>>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:42:07 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:42:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <cae.519c6aa7.38105636@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01ca52b8$dd946330$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Stan:

  Steve is in Asheville, NC and there is an engine show there this weekend. 
Come see us!  The Stover will be there.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Paul--
>  where abouts is Steve located at?   Be fun to  see that old engine
> someday--! thanks again--
> Stan
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 18:56:06 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6FE6BBE181FB4372BF017264C1F8F5BA@DBTOA000>

You're right Tim.  And its worse than the Swine Flu!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Christoff
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have
been infested with a Royster virus.  

Tim





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:56:48 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
References: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <012d01ca52ba$eacf0170$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Hey hey, my brother and I are proud to show the "Tommy Turner rejects."  We 
may open a museum called Was Tommy's but man that's a lot of white tarps!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB


> That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have 
> been infested with a Royster virus.
>
> Tim
>
>
>>John,
>> Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>>
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>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 19:11:10 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:11:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <012d01ca52ba$eacf0170$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <0DE50752B20945A9A67ED1DBDE39C3E5@DBTOA000>

Well, when the good iron rolled out of here in the back of a pickup with
NC plates, the tarps left too.... I'd bet the other Royster has them
cornered!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Royster
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

Hey hey, my brother and I are proud to show the "Tommy Turner rejects."
We 
may open a museum called Was Tommy's but man that's a lot of white
tarps!

MR




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 21 20:26:11 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:26:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
Message-ID: <9554816.1256181971375.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>From some of the stories I have heard I would say your lucky that was all that rolled out of there.  

Tim

>Well, when the good iron rolled out of here in the back of a pickup with
>NC plates, the tarps left too.... I'd bet the other Royster has them
>cornered!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>


Tim Christoff


From mike17257 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 00:44:20 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844af0290910220044s39384b76he53dbdc0dae9a09b@mail.gmail.com>

and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
here,


mike

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that
> I have listed on Ebay
>
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
>
>
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 22 01:19:39 2009
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:19:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please
Message-ID: <3C15078962A748E78DB88F9C2F0E7AD8@bd32d875216e74>

Can anyone help with the site for International Famous Engine Numbers Please
No. SC 4285F
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:27:14 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:27:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <20091021232418.1DDD737804A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W32B80C02E6476BEB81FD6895BE0@phx.gbl>


Russ, Them Roysters don't throw nuthin away! They wuz raised during the depression and can squeeze blood out of a turnip. Or give you a story so sad you'll be donating to their old iron collection and helping them haul it out of your shed!  Bless your heart, thanks for helping a needy cause.  Gotta go I understand Tommy Turner is cleaning out his barn again! Steve

 


 
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:24:45 +1100
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
> 
> Yeh Steve I was thinkin they would just throw them away.
> 
> At 05:12 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:
> 
> >Russ,
> >
> > > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us 
> > all the info on how to clean our
> > > white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they 
> > accumulate over a show weekend!
> >
> >Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....
> >
> >-Steve-
> >
> >
> >
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 09:27:48 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:27:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please
In-Reply-To: <3C15078962A748E78DB88F9C2F0E7AD8@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <20091022162746.76B8C65B4FB@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Brian, I don't know about a sight, but Wendel's note book  indicates that it
is a 4 horsepower Famous, hopper-cooled Gasoline version manufactured in the
middle of 1913. Hope this helps, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:20 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please

Can anyone help with the site for International Famous Engine Numbers Please
No. SC 4285F
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Thu Oct 22 10:27:29 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:27:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>

Hello Guys,
	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing 
consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to 
fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the 
fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing 
for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I 
have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but 
doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
  	
	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the 
armature bushing so I can check it?

	Any help appreciated.

Rupert
--

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 23 07:27:50 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:57:50 +1030
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <844af0290910220044s39384b76he53dbdc0dae9a09b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>


well its not that hard mike, i should know, i have brought several engines over, and the dollar is good at the moment too!! so why not have a go mate!!!

    cheers

          mick
 
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
> From: mike17257 at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> 
> and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
> here,
> 
> 
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that
> > I have listed on Ebay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
> >
> >
> >
> > started at $.01 with no reserve
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 23 11:43:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41a009c39095bf03332faf65e1fa3641.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

AND unlike Oz, the USA imposes no bizarre export barriers.  You buy that FBM "N" and
export it to Oz with no governmental interference.  As it should be!

Now if you Aussies were only so open minded....

On Fri, October 23, 2009 10:27 am, michael christie wrote:
>
> well its not that hard mike, i should know, i have brought several engines over,
> and the dollar is good at the moment too!! so why not have a go mate!!!
>     cheers
>           mick
>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
>> From: mike17257 at gmail.com
>> and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
>> here,
>> mike





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 23 11:52:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com> <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Rupert,

I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is a common
problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance up to and
including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils at the
same instant with a good SNAP.

You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing that is
just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will do an
exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils & condenser,
new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange mag isn't
that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag exchange.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Hello Guys,
> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
>
> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
> armature bushing so I can check it?





From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 12:22:51 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:22:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4AE2028B.6050400@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Arnie for your reply and the info. My plan is to make a new 
bushing to fit the armature. The locating pin isn't worn appreciably as 
the diameter measures the same at the top and the bottom where the 
armature doesn't touch so it should be fine. I would like to know how 
tight to make the fit of the bushing to the pin.
	I will keep Mark's Magnetos in mind as it appears I may have more older 
magnetos to look at.

	Thanks for your help.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Rupert,
> 
> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is a common
> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance up to and
> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils at the
> same instant with a good SNAP.
> 
> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing that is
> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will do an
> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils & condenser,
> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange mag isn't
> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag exchange.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Hello Guys,
>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
>>
>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>> armature bushing so I can check it?
> 
> 
> 
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Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 23 14:05:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com> <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>

Arnie,
Mark has undersized bushings made just to do what you mentioned. Fit to a
shaft thats been worn and trued up. Long as its not worn too bad. If the
shaft is worn too badly then it will need a new bottom frame, or bush the
worn shaft, Theres a couple ways to skin that cat.
 Rupert, As for clearances I'd estimate a couple thou. Should be easy for
you to whip one out. I assume you will true up the old shaft? No need to
oversize like we do for other things when compensating for thermal
expansion. Snug as you can get and slide easy with a speck of lite oil.  
     Mark


> Rupert,
>
> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is
> a common
> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance
> up to and
> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils
> at the
> same instant with a good SNAP.
>
> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing
> that is
> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will
> do an
> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils &
> condenser,
> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange
> mag isn't
> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag
> exchange.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Hello Guys,
>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide
>> pin.
>>
>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>> armature bushing so I can check it?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 23 14:52:33 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:52:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
Message-ID: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 3:31:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rwenig2 at xplornet.com writes:

The  locating pin isn't worn appreciably as 
the diameter measures the same at  the top and the bottom where the 
armature doesn't touch so it should be  fine.


Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As 
someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 21:28:26 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:28:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>

	Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so 
I figure that should work.
	Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom 
frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
Rupert

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As 
> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.  
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 21:30:49 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:30:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4AE282F9.30505@xplornet.com>

	Thanks. That is what I wanted to know. Now, I just need to find time to 
fit a bushing. I'm helping my son build a house. Insulation days this 
week end.

Rupert

frappi at wcoil.com wrote:
> Arnie,
> Mark has undersized bushings made just to do what you mentioned. Fit to a
> shaft thats been worn and trued up. Long as its not worn too bad. If the
> shaft is worn too badly then it will need a new bottom frame, or bush the
> worn shaft, Theres a couple ways to skin that cat.
>  Rupert, As for clearances I'd estimate a couple thou. Should be easy for
> you to whip one out. I assume you will true up the old shaft? No need to
> oversize like we do for other things when compensating for thermal
> expansion. Snug as you can get and slide easy with a speck of lite oil.  
>      Mark
> 
> 
>> Rupert,
>>
>> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is
>> a common
>> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance
>> up to and
>> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils
>> at the
>> same instant with a good SNAP.
>>
>> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing
>> that is
>> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will
>> do an
>> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils &
>> condenser,
>> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange
>> mag isn't
>> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag
>> exchange.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>>> Hello Guys,
>>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide
>>> pin.
>>>
>>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>>> armature bushing so I can check it?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> 
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yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Oct 23 22:29:53 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:29:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com> <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>

ALWAYS put a keeper across when you remove the bottom. NEVER taks the guts 
out of a mag without doing this!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted


> Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so
> I figure that should work.
> Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom
> frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
> Rupert
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As
>> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
> -- 
>
> yvt
>
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>
> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>
> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 01:06:21 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:06:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 10:09:01 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:09:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <d29.524ad50f.38148ead@aol.com>

Patrick,
 
That sure does look like a great engine show!  The rats must get  pretty 
large there as noted by the size of the rat trap on the table about 2/3  of 
the way thru the photos.
 
Thanks for all the great shots!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 16:43:07 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:43:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <bd4.52e5b8b1.3814eb0b@aol.com>

Hey Pat---
    Same words here as Tom sent you---   and THANKS for the great pics----
  Stan Zettner
     Pleasanton,  Tx       (can you send a pic of that RAT when you  catch 
it)???   ha
 


From obise at moscow.com  Sat Oct 24 18:42:53 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:42:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
In-Reply-To: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86E8F690E05242F2BB956AA29D227CA9@CathyComp>

Thank  you for the pix, Patrick; well done, as usual.  I like the size of
your thumbnails; they download fast.

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:06 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics

Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 24 19:35:56 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:35:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
References: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A9B15D5DC0E4AADBAA2E716E15BA151@PAUL>

Great pictures Patrick, nice way to spend my Saturday night, looking at 
beautiful pictures if great engines, Thanks again for taking the time and 
trouble to post them so we all can see them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics


> Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm
>
>
> 




From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sat Oct 24 21:28:10 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:28:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com> <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>
	<3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <4AE3D3DA.4000002@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Reg. That is what I thought.

Rueprt

Reg Ingold wrote:
> ALWAYS put a keeper across when you remove the bottom. NEVER taks the guts 
> out of a mag without doing this!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
> 
> 
>> Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so
>> I figure that should work.
>> Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom
>> frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
>> Rupert
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As
>>> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> yvt
>>
>> Rupert Wenig
>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>>
>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>>
>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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> 
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Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sat Oct 24 21:31:43 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:31:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
In-Reply-To: <d29.524ad50f.38148ead@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca552c$0e0067b0$0201010a@JBCooper>


Hi Tom,
Havn't you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
hop around on two back legs and grow six feet tall.
J.C. Bega Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2009 4:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics



Patrick,
 
That sure does look like a great engine show!  The rats must get  pretty 
large there as noted by the size of the rat trap on the table about 2/3  of 
the way thru the photos.
 
Thanks for all the great shots!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 05:35:46 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:35:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?
>
> Specifically I need to know the KVA rating (data plate is hard to read) and any technical specs that can be gleaned about it.
>
> Thanks and take care - Elden

Elden:

Somewhere, I have a Buda generator catalogue. We are just back from
California and a bit jet lagged, but I'll have a dig through the
catalogues later and see what is there.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 05:36:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:36:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <c9d.51512efc.3815a05e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/25/2009 12:41:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

Havn't  you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
hop  around on two back legs and grow six feet tall


Not being a worldly traveler like Arnie, I did not know what you called  
those critters!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 25 07:39:36 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:39:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for looking!  You'll be the only person who can shed some light on this genset.

I hope you had a wonderful trip over here to the Colonies.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 07:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
> 
> 
> 2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Gang:
> >
> > I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 
> (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does 
> anybody out there have any literature or a manual 
> on this set?
> >
> > Specifically I need to know the KVA rating 
> (data plate is hard to read) and any technical 
> specs that can be gleaned about it.
> >
> > Thanks and take care - Elden
> 
> Elden:
> 
> Somewhere, I have a Buda generator catalogue. We 
> are just back from
> California and a bit jet lagged, but I'll have a 
> dig through the
> catalogues later and see what is there.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 25 09:51:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:51:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 25
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091025184431.00acfe88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 25/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:36:46 EDT
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
>
>
>In a message dated 10/25/2009 12:41:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:
>
>Havn't  you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
>hop  around on two back legs and grow six feet tall
>
>
>Not being a worldly traveler like Arnie, I did not know what you called
>those critters!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com

Hi Tom,
         Did you have to mention Arnie !! Now he will probably reply with a 
recipe "roast rat" :-)

         Seriously though, I do not know what size rats our Aussie friends 
have but here in Africa we do have "Cane Rats" and they ARE eaten eaten by 
the indigenous populace.
<http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1316568>
Keep well,
Jerry




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:19:45 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910251019k3468cc59i5ee2dbf42de34cca@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/25 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for looking! ?You'll be the only person who can shed some light on this genset.
>
> I hope you had a wonderful trip over here to the Colonies.
>
> Take care - Elden

We had a medical problem with one of our grand-daughters, which meant
she had to have oxygen and medical treatment on the plane, and we were
met by a paramedic team at the airport Fortunately it was nothing too
serious and she was released later that night. The British Airways
crew and the Customs & Immigration guys were superb, couldn't have
asked for better treatment.

Rest of the trip went well, and no problems going home :-))

Found the data, your exact machine isn't listed, but there's one pretty close:

1BDG-38  - can be:

BD-3 (3kW DC 32V or 125V 1500rpm)
BD-2A (2.5kW AC 1ph 120V 60Hz 1200rpm)
BD-3A (3kW AC 1ph 120V 50Hz 1500rpm)

Leaflet for that model range shows a single-cylinder diesel with
radiator cooling, same bore and stroke as you quoted, direct-coupled
alternator or dynamo.

I'll scan the brochure when I get a minute and email it direct to you.
 I'd suggest that the 'M' in the designation could be 'Marine',
possibly a marine auxiliary generator. Looks like a neat little unit.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:23:47 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:23:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
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2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration.  Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Forgot to add that the brochure and sheets are dated January 1st 1948.

Peter
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:37:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910251037u480b3afanb1658e0ad678bec0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Scanned images emailed.

Peter
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 25 14:43:08 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:43:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910251037u480b3afanb1658e0ad678bec0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I hope that whatever was ailing your grand-daughter is long past and that she'd doing well.

Thanks so much for the information!  I can't tell if this is the same genset as the one I've found because all I have are some poor photos of it as of now.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
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> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
> 
> 
> 2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Gang:
> >
> > I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 
> (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does 
> anybody out there have any literature or a manual 
> on this set?
> 
> Scanned images emailed.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 05:22:10 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:22:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 25
Message-ID: <c1d.723e8ad1.38183ff2@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2009 1:01:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

but here  in Africa we do have "Cane Rats" and they ARE eaten eaten by 
the  indigenous populace.
 
Jerry,
 

It is most amazing what folks eat around the world!  Watching some  travel 
program the other evening and they shook some ants out of a tree into a  
bucket of water and then drank the water which supposedly tasted like  
lemonade!  Not cooked or anything, just swirl the ants around in the  water.  So, it 
had to be the secretion of some kind from the ants  flavoring the water.  
Maybe the swirling water scares the s***t out of  them!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 11:47:04 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:47:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Ant-Ade?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>


"It is most amazing what folks eat around the world!  Watching some  travel 
program the other evening and they shook some ants out of a tree into a  
bucket of water and then drank the water which supposedly tasted like  
lemonade!  Not cooked or anything, just swirl the ants around in the  water.  So, it 
had to be the secretion of some kind from the ants  flavoring the water.  
Maybe the swirling water scares the s***t out of  them!"

It's formic acid, Tom.  Same stuff that stings when they bite, but diluted.

Rats were a welcome change in RVN after six weeks of mutton.  
I think part of the deal to have the Oz troops there was to buy mutton. We're 
talking mutton, not lamb.  Some of it had to be as old as I was; the chops 
were huge.  It wasn't bad for a while, but after being seared on the barbie, 
baked, fricasseed, sauteed, fried, boiled, sliced and fried like bacon - any 
thing else was good.  The Montagnards would catch these good-sized rats, 
gut, stuff with a potato analog tuber, wrap in leaves, and bake in hot rocks.

Had worse.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 13:40:47 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:40:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Ant-Ade
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0910271340n4e06ee3cv482c902911e69767@mail.gmail.com>

I guess some things never change. I had an uncle that was a sub sailor in
WWII and he hated mutton for the same reason. That's the only meat they
would feed those poor guys for a couple of years.

Paul still Stateside (in California)

PS: He didn't mention rats. But then again, he didn't mention hookers until
he was drunk one night.


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 22:06:04 2009
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:06:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>


 Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that side of the engine,regards Dave 		 	   		  
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 04:03:04 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:03:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>

Dave,
 
You post is the first I have received in the past day.  Tried going to  the 
archives to see if any posts were being made and cannot get access to  
them.  Must be some problems with the server?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 29 14:26:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:26:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>
References: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091029212549.3865E29802E@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Hey Dave, wasn't there one advertised in the TOMM a while ago?? Think 
there was a Robey and side shaft petter for sale same place?? Could 
be worth a try
Russell


At 10:03 PM 29/10/2009, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>You post is the first I have received in the past day.  Tried going to  the
>archives to see if any posts were being made and cannot get access to
>them.  Must be some problems with the server?
>
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>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 14:34:14 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:34:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Pics
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C7105586.2E2D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Dave,
I have emailed you some pics off list.


On 29/10/09 4:06 PM, "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
>  Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it
> needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be
> something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that
> side of the engine,regards Dave          
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 29 15:48:52 2009
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:48:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Pics
In-Reply-To: <C7105586.2E2D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL114-W5D7855FB4855C8F825E84BAB70@phx.gbl>


Hi Patrick , thanks for the pictures they are handy as a nother part showed up but the engine my mate has is an earlier one to the one in your pictures,it doesn't have the air control tap on it,thanks Dave 
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:34:14 +1100
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Pics
> 
> Hi Dave,
> I have emailed you some pics off list.
> 
> 
> On 29/10/09 4:06 PM, "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it
> > needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be
> > something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that
> > side of the engine,regards Dave 
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> > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:41:58 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:41:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <2D35930F-0A25-4ABD-B596-0A0CE1331316@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C6EAE0B6.2A1A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Of the bigger sizes the number known to survive are:
32hp - 1
26hp - 1
25hp - 2
20hp - 18
16hp - 17
15hp - 4
12hp - 3
11hp - 78

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:51:50 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:51:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <4DC96717-D230-4892-9C8E-66BB415D330D@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <C6EAE306.2A1D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


The 1919 price list gives the following weights for the big Australs:
30-32hp portable- 105cwt stationary- 84cwt
18-20hp portable- 75cwt  stationary- 65cwt
15-16hp portable- 70cwt  stationary- 60cwt
10-11hp portable- 60cwt  stationary- 50cwt

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct  1 12:14:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:14:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1254412802.25939.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 01/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
>
>
>Jerry:
>Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your daughter got her fifteen 
>minutes of fame.    :-)
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,

Jacqui here.

Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again I got my 15 minutes of 
fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able to wipe the smile off my 
face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for VERY special occasions :-)

This article means a great deal to me, as it demonstrates that people 
appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a woman involved in a male 
dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we don't have any other ladies 
showing engines in S.A), but because in a small way I have made a 
contribution and have received recognition from people I look up to.  And 
that is an amazing feeling!!!

It's a pity that the write up was written in Afrikaans (our "Second" 
language) - and I do realise that no one was able to understand it.  When I 
get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will translate it into English and 
share it with all of you.

Kind regards
Jacqui




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  1 13:55:59 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:55:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <606CBA3EE3BA41B1B33B6EE305FC17F7@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Can you translate it into Dutch? This way, my wife Betty who speaks gibberish could translate it back into her form of English and I 
could translate hers into something I could understand. At least I think I can.
It would give some of the other viewers an idea of how to express themselves in Dutch instead of just their made up gibberish.
Oh never mind.
It was a nice story anyway. So, get a bunch of these newspapers and put them in a black garbage bag and they will last for years and 
not just 15 minutes.
Skip


> Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,
>
> Jacqui here.
>
> Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again I got my 15 minutes of
> fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able to wipe the smile off my
> face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for VERY special occasions :-)
>
> This article means a great deal to me, as it demonstrates that people
> appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a woman involved in a male
> dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we don't have any other ladies
> showing engines in S.A), but because in a small way I have made a
> contribution and have received recognition from people I look up to.  And
> that is an amazing feeling!!!
>
> It's a pity that the write up was written in Afrikaans (our "Second"
> language) - and I do realise that no one was able to understand it.  When I
> get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will translate it into English and
> share it with all of you.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  1 15:03:14 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:03:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091001203003.023deb08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEMLIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jacqui:

I will look forward to the translation of the article.  I'm just a illuterate Kaintuck.  Cain't read that there gibberish.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 02:14 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> 
> 
> At 06:00 PM 01/10/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 11
> >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:48:38 -0500
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> >
> >
> >Jerry:
> >Although I can't read Gibberish, I'm glad your 
> daughter got her fifteen 
> >minutes of fame.    :-)
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden & Everyone else who replied to Dad's post,
> 
> Jacqui here.
> 
> Thank you all for your replies.  Yup, once again 
> I got my 15 minutes of 
> fame and I don't think anyone is going to be able 
> to wipe the smile off my 
> face for weeks - smiles that are reserved for 
> VERY special occasions :-)
> 
> This article means a great deal to me, as it 
> demonstrates that people 
> appreciate my efforts.  Not only because I am a 
> woman involved in a male 
> dominated hobby (for those who don't know, we 
> don't have any other ladies 
> showing engines in S.A), but because in a small 
> way I have made a 
> contribution and have received recognition from 
> people I look up to.  And 
> that is an amazing feeling!!!
> 
> It's a pity that the write up was written in 
> Afrikaans (our "Second" 
> language) - and I do realise that no one was able 
> to understand it.  When I 
> get home from work tomorrow afternoon I will 
> translate it into English and 
> share it with all of you.
> 
> Kind regards
> Jacqui




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 14:24:16 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:24:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
  Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine




I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.

I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."

I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.

Bruce Younger  

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68  

Madison, SD 

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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Oct  1 14:36:35 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:36:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
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No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well 
and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the 
well. Doug T

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
>   Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
>
>
>
>
> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>
> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>
> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.
>
> Bruce Younger  
>
> 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68  
>
> Madison, SD 
>
> sluggo54 at hotmail.com  
>
>
>
> "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted  
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 15:10:31 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:10:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion engines and was not that common.
  Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine



No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
well. Doug T

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a half-breed?
>   Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
>
>
>
>
> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>
> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>
> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.
>
> Bruce Younger 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct  1 16:33:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613E@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Jim,

The half-breeds are really interesting beasts.  If you think about all of the
different steam engine makes that were operating in the early oil fields and then
cross that with all of the companies than made gas conversion cylinders (and other
supporting parts), you end up with literally thousands of different half-breed
combinations.  One of the more common (and pretty) early half-breeds combined the
Farrer & Trefts hog-trough steam bed with a Bessemer gas cylinder.  Here's a look at
mine...  http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm

(I really need to get some of the current pics of that engine onto the website!)

For more info on half-breeds, contact Coolspring.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

They have a publication, Bores & Strokes, and one of the early issues was totally
about half-breeds.  Call 'em and order a copy.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 1, 2009 6:10 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some
> how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion
> engines and was not that common.
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
>
> No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
> and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
> well. Doug T
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a
>> half-breed?
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
>> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
>>
>> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays
>> was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that
>> was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a
>> licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the
>> maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>>
>> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
>> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
>> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
>> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
>> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>>
>> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 16:38:13 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:38:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine
References: <BAY127-W7759BE4CC840F6D09F8ECCBD30@phx.gbl><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613D@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><4AC520E3.1060501@accnorwalk.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613E@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<e58df12a59f692b96014a107e53c931b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0613F@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Thank you Arnie,
  I never realized the half-breeds were that common. When I get home from work I'll definitely check out the links you provided.
    Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 7:33 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Well Supply Engine



Jim,

The half-breeds are really interesting beasts.  If you think about all of the
different steam engine makes that were operating in the early oil fields and then
cross that with all of the companies than made gas conversion cylinders (and other
supporting parts), you end up with literally thousands of different half-breed
combinations.  One of the more common (and pretty) early half-breeds combined the
Farrer & Trefts hog-trough steam bed with a Bessemer gas cylinder.  Here's a look at
mine...  http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bessie.htm

(I really need to get some of the current pics of that engine onto the website!)

For more info on half-breeds, contact Coolspring.
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/index.htm

They have a publication, Bores & Strokes, and one of the early issues was totally
about half-breeds.  Call 'em and order a copy.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 1, 2009 6:10 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Now that you mention it I do remember reading about those conversions,but I some
> how thought this was an early development in the history of internal combustion
> engines and was not that common.
> ________________________________
>
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 5:36 PM
>
> No Jim, a halfbreed started out as a steam engine used to drill a well
> and was converted to internal combustion to run off natural gas from the
> well. Doug T
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> If an engine uses a single part  made by another company does that make it a
>> half-breed?
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bruce Younger
>> Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 12:28 AM
>>
>> I was at a show Sunday - Prairie Land, Jacksonville, IL - and among the displays
>> was an OWS half-breed.  I asked the owner if the cylinder was a Bessemer, as that
>> was what it looked like, but bore no marks.  He replied that it was not, it was a
>> licensed copy, as Bessemer was overwhelmed with orders for some time.  He said the
>> maker was South Penn Oil Company.
>>
>> I found this in research:  "Bessemer's chief customer, the South Penn Oil Company,
>> wanted so many that they paid royalties to manufacture additional
>> half breeds in their own shop at Allegheny, Pennsylvania. During
>> the first three years of manufacture, 10,000 pumping units were
>> converted in Pennsylvania and West Virginia."
>>
>> I bet there were probably dozens of manufacturers of conversion cylinders.


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From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 17:42:52 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:42:52 GMT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <20091001.204252.14050.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>






From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 17:51:18 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:51:18 GMT
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <20091001.205118.14050.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>






From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:00:38 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] test
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References: <20091001.204252.14050.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <860469.61344.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ok




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Sent: Thu, October 1, 2009 8:42:52 PM
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From hallaran at juno.com  Thu Oct  1 18:09:44 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:09:44 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
Message-ID: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
    




From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Oct  1 18:59:19 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:59:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06142@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Hi Jack,
That's cool that you have a half- breed video up. I'll look at your Youtube channel tomorrow. Don't feel bad about being "faceless". I'm guessing a pretty good percentage of the people on this list, including myself, would fall into that category.
   Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jack Hallaran
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 9:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!



Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also.
   


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  2 04:37:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:37:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Bernard on Ebay /UK
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002133520.00bd0e20@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A nice Bernard and pump on Ebay (UK) - price is still cheap.


<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1932-BERNARD-MOTEURS-WO-2HP-STATIONARY-ENGINE-&-PUMP_W0QQitemZ150376087244QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20090928?IMSfp=TL090928152002r967>




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
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From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Fri Oct  2 07:41:20 2009
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:41:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Message-ID: <005701ca436e$721d8040$565880c0$@com>

Hey guys

 

I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is as
good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J

 

Opinions appreciated!

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

Please note new email addy 

lew at lewslittlefarm.com

 



From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 08:08:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:08:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Message-ID: <980853448-1254496137-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818747556-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Lew,
The freight company I used to drive for used Delvac in all their semi tractors.  I think my current company uses it as well, but not positive.  It's good oil.

-Tony


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To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
To: SEL
ReplyTo: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
Sent: Oct 2, 2009 9:41 AM

Hey guys

 

I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is as
good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J

 

Opinions appreciated!

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

Please note new email addy 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct  2 08:34:36 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:34:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS41FA0C0DB272F2EF14CE1BBD20@phx.gbl>

A "Big Sky" welcome Jack!!  We don't get too many new subscribers lately. 
No attachment's are allowed and we just type a link to our Webshots, 
Photobucket, Fotki...whatever.  There's still a few of us on stage coach 
dial-up's and attachments would take all day to load.
  SEL is quiet today but should pickup later.

Again Welcome!!
RickinMt.


Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!


> Hello,
>       I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to 
> Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 10:40:03 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:40:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT oil
References: <005701ca436e$721d8040$565880c0$@com>
Message-ID: <51898EC23DE64C4C887887441620B878@Ed>

I also have a 2005 / Cummins ,use Rotella T Synthetic and get all my OEM 
expendables form Geno's  Garage.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

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From: "Lew Best" <lew at lewslittlefarm.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT oil


> Hey guys
>
>
>
> I know lotsa yall drive diesel trucks; anyone know if Mobil Delvac oil is 
> as
> good as Rotella T?  I have a 2005 Dodge/Cummins & I just got a flier from
> O'reilly that they have buy 1 gallon for 11.99 & get one free  J
>
>
>
> Opinions appreciated!
>
>
>
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
> Please note new email addy
>
> lew at lewslittlefarm.com
>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  2 11:42:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:42:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>

Hello All,
Jacqui here - again!!
As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for 
those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>

Thanks, once again for all your replies.

Kind regards
Jacqui

P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else have 
the spotlight!!! :-)



From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:36:09 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:36:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <AD101CA02E874450B1F1FE9C0A2F06FA@PAULDESKTOP>

Thank you - Article has much more meaning.  So many years of fun ahead of 
you with the engines

Paul - IN
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.


> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
> P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else 
> have
> the spotlight!!! :-)
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  2 20:01:24 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:01:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENGIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jacqui - Go girl!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 01:42 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Local newspaper article 
> features Jacqui.
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the 
> original Afrikaans for 
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
> 
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
> 
> Kind regards
> Jacqui




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 19:40:25 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

There was (maybe still is?) a 25 hp hopper-cooled Foos portable at Coolspring.  One
show I saw a bloke (owner?) relaxing inside the hopper like it was a big ol' hot
tub.  VERY impressive very BIG engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 6:31 pm, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> G'day Arnie old mate.  A local member of our club owns a 25hp
> portable. I heard it was one of 2 survivers?? It is currently under
> restoration. I have seen it, wow it is one big heavy mother! If you
> can imagine Daves being a 1/2 to 1/3 scale model it would give you an
> idea :-) I must get over there again soon and see how it's coming
> along. It  must be real close as it was originally going to make it
> to the last National Rally in Murray Bridge




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 19:49:28 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090930192528.0209aac8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002601ca4228$a4253f70$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<B42E7F86D42F43A58D599DAC166ECCD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <dcaeeeb20554a3db39475d340e628d65.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Skip,

You just need to consume a pint of the same clear Mountain Elixir that Mike did. 
When you do that, what he wrote is perfectly clear (like the Elixir).  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, September 30, 2009 8:26 pm, SKIP CLEVELAND wrote:
> Mike. My wife Betty, a Dutch national, sais this is gibberish.
> Skip
>
>> >
>> Probst, meta bota bana nar et ost!!





From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Oct  2 20:10:48 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:10:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>

On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> There was (maybe still is?) a 25 hp hopper-cooled Foos portable at  
> Coolspring.  One
> show I saw a bloke (owner?) relaxing inside the hopper like it was a  
> big ol' hot
> tub.  VERY impressive very BIG engine!!



Arnie,
Was the hopper big enough to contain TWO engine enthusiasts?  One  
would think that big engine firing would impart some very interesting  
vibrations to the warm water and its occupants.  Such a ride might be  
considered the engine collector's equivalent of the Mile High Club.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com













From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 22:10:02 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:10:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Local newspaper article features Jacqui.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091002202951.02b0ef50@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <86bbd2c7d74081800da7ca78d2aaad99.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Jacqui,

Very neat article!!  Thanks so much for posting the translation.  It's much more fun
with the words to go with your beautiful picture and beautiful engine.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 2, 2009 2:42 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hello All,
> Jacqui here - again!!
> As promised, I have done the translation from the original Afrikaans for
> those of you who would like to read it, please go here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/Jax2/index.htm>
>
> Thanks, once again for all your replies.
>
> Kind regards
> Jacqui
>
> P.S. I'm now going to "lurk" off into the shadows and let someone else have
> the spotlight!!! :-)





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  2 22:25:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 16 HP Ronaldson Bros & Tippet Video
In-Reply-To: <C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>
References: <C6E97DBA.29B9%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<2aabc2c9e0c9af7cb7345a9ddb347139.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090930223114.BACC834800F@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
	<6672f3907bc3ce49898b7bc8bc2578a4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C22439F2-1402-49FF-840B-39E8EC4D86B5@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0d3442394e4259a4a0368ea8d2e3b45b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Rob,

I think it would depend on the size of the couple.  ISTR that the Foos "hopper
bather" was a pretty big bloke; 6'6" maybe?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, October 2, 2009 11:10 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Was the hopper big enough to contain TWO engine enthusiasts?  One
> would think that big engine firing would impart some very interesting
> vibrations to the warm water and its occupants.  Such a ride might be
> considered the engine collector's equivalent of the Mile High Club.




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 21:53:31 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:53:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
Message-ID: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a method
to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Oct  3 22:48:49 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:48:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
References: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <A01B0F9348C54EFD93BE1F39A795735D@REGsServer>

A buzz coil is only a normal primary/ secondary setup, as per the usual auto 
thing.
The difference is that the incoming low voltage is interrupted by a set of 
low voltage points.
The incoming current activates the core and makes it a magnet. This pulls 
the points open and breaks the curcuit. Field collapses, no longer a magnet, 
back to start.
So, we get the buzz.
Ok, now to check.the system.
With a meter, check the secondary windings. Earth to plug lead. If you show 
continuity, then thats ok.If the needle shows open circuit, its stuffed!
Primary windings should show continuity and almost no resistance.
Again, open circuit, stuffed.
BUT the main part of these setups was the low voltage points.
If they were dirty, corroded, etc. and current could not pass, then the 
whole sequence could not happen.
So much so that replacement points were/are available.
Ya gotta come back to simple basics on this.
Then it becomes easy to sort the troubles.
Ok, outa here. Hope what I said helps.
Reg
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair


> Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
> couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a 
> method
> to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
> available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
> internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
> ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Oct  3 23:58:56 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:58:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
In-Reply-To: <A01B0F9348C54EFD93BE1F39A795735D@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <20091004025856.XEGWT.718248.root@mp06>


If the coil does not buzz, remove the points and clean the studs and the metal blade where it touches. They were bad about corrosion here, a hand sand blaster with baking soda, used outside, works well for clean up. If it buzzes and doesn't have much fire, try an automotive condensor attached externally across the points, the condensors in the coils usually failed to open. If it works the condensor can be mounted externally or you can take it apart and dig out the large old one and instal a new one. The new capacitors are available at electrical suppliers, I don't remember the values, but there are articles on line that show how to do it and what to use.
J.B. Castagnos


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Oct  4 04:41:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:41:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <5E88B3FAE07F486886ECEEC8D0B94E84@armstrong>
References: <5E88B3FAE07F486886ECEEC8D0B94E84@armstrong>
Message-ID: <COL106-W63BA7736CEC42E65F7B31AB4D00@phx.gbl>


Hello Folks;

 

Has anyone got a parts list for a IH Type M 6 HP especially 

anything to do with Mag. area.

This is the engine that has the enclosed crankshaft.

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 

  		 	   		  

From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Oct  4 04:59:17 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:59:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair
In-Reply-To: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20091004045346.5D3504C8C97@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <001401ca44ea$19bdddf0$4d3999d0$@com.au>

Hi Jim,
Your message prompted me to migrate the buzzcoil series of articles from my
old web host to the new one. Just about everything you want to know about
repairing them (from the outside) is here:
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/ignition-systems

Regards
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 3:54 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil repair

Hi, like most of you ,I have a couple/several buzz coil paper-weights. A
couple are really pretty paper -weights but still useless. Is there a method
to bring one back to life? Are any of the  parts buried in the tar
available ? I guess there is a primary/secondary coil and a capacitor and
internal wiring inside.. Are they repairable or not worth the effort. Any
ideas greatly appreciated. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 05:27:15 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
Message-ID: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>

There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
specifically do you need?   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Oct  4 05:39:16 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:39:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W12141BCB5595BC4811B9FB4D00@phx.gbl>


Greetings Tom;

 

My friend that has the engine thinks it was a WICO that should go on the engine, 

I'll call him & ask for more info, he is missing the mag. & a parts list would be of 

great help, I saw the engine a few days ago but its all over his shop.

 

              Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
> 
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a 
> high tension mag for spark plug. I have two high tension types. What 
> specifically do you need? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sun Oct  4 05:52:28 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:52:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>

Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high 
tension and the Wico EK Doug T

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
> specifically do you need?   
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>   


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Sun Oct  4 10:02:06 2009
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:02:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] buzz coils
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1254672002.16609.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1254672002.16609.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <1D6C0FF6-10FE-4873-9074-642632BBBD51@zoominternet.net>

Jimmy-

I have had luck modifying some of the modern ignition coils (like  
where they have one coil per cylinder) to fit in older buzz coil  
boxes. These units are encased in plastic coatings with a loop-looking  
armature. If you cut the armature so you can poke it through where the  
buzz points are and add a condenser, they will deliver a nice hot  
spark.  I hated to see a nice looking finger-jointed coil box  
relegated to the mantle... If you cruise some of the junk yards you  
can usually spot something which will fit the bill. The newer coils  
have way better insulation than the old units and hence are much  
smaller. Hope this helps..

Paul

myrickmachine at gmail.com


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Oct  4 18:13:25 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:13:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
Message-ID: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil ignitions. Have any of you
removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If so, how do you remove it
without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct  4 20:03:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
In-Reply-To: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENOIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

I haven't done it since I was a kid (and I kinda stunk-up the shop when I did) but you can remove the panel from the coil and suspend it over a tray (to catch the tar) that sits on a hot plate that is set on low.

Nowadays, if you've got a heat gun, that might work better.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 08:13 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
> 
> 
> Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil 
> ignitions. Have any of you
> removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If 
> so, how do you remove it
> without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Oct  4 19:00:34 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:00:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil
References: <20091005011323.EBDEE3028D7@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <004c01ca455f$a093a240$d0624b47@mikecomp>

2 ways I know of:

1.  Open it up and put a floodlamp on it and the tar will melt out.  This 
works.

2.  Freeze it and bust out the tar chips.  Some like this, I have not done 
it.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buzz coil


> Hey thanks guys for the information on the coil ignitions. Have any of you
> removed the tar to try to fix the internals? If so, how do you remove it
> without setting your workshop on  fire? Jimmy
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Oct  4 19:34:07 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com> <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>

I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high 
tension and the Wico EK Doug T

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a  
> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What 
> specifically do you need?   
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>   
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Oct  4 20:14:19 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:14:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com> <4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>
	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>

Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket & 
hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for 
gear drive, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>> specifically do you need?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>>
>>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 02:28:31 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:28:31 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
	<4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au>
	<00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au>

Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester Smith
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket & 
hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for 
gear drive, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug Tallman
> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>> specifically do you need?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 03:27:44 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:27:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>
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Message-ID: <9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George 
Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester 
> Smith
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket &
> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
> gear drive, cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug 
>> Tallman
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>> specifically do you need?
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct  5 04:24:23 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:24:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au>
	<9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>

Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George 
Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester 
> Smith
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket &
> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
> gear drive, cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug 
>> Tallman
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a
>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>> specifically do you need?
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 05:32:35 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:32:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS35A6253540A3D1B7C235CBBCF0@phx.gbl>

G'day Ray;
  Go here and take a look;

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/my__type.htm

and then further down the page click on "type M specifications."

Might help

RickinMt.


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 07:02:25 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:02:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
In-Reply-To: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W310B4D60A1F986C25B3C5AB4CF0@phx.gbl>


Hello Tom;

Tks for your kind reply, If I might give you a call Re;

the Mag for a 6 HP Type M IH { I have free LD }

Please pass me a # & I'll call.

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:27:15 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
> 
> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and a 
> high tension mag for spark plug. I have two high tension types. What 
> specifically do you need? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 07:16:41 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:16:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
Message-ID: <d2a.584227d4.37fb59c9@aol.com>

Frank
 
434-933-8279  Usually around the house from 6 till 9:30 pm bed  time.
 
Been a lot of good information/photos posted to the list in the past day on 
 the 6M.
 
They are great running engines!  I will try and take a close up of the  mag 
and trip mechanism today.
 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 09:13:27 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:13:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
Message-ID: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>

 
 (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 


Frank,
 
Four photos of the Wico EK type mag setup on the 6M engine.   First photo 
is out of rotation by 90 deg and looking straight into the mag from  the 
front of the engine.  The others are from the side of the mag, one  showing the 
mag tripped.  Guess I should have dusted the engine off and  cleaned it a 
bit prior to the photos.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg) 
 
Hope this is of some help.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Oct  5 09:32:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:32:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
In-Reply-To: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>
References: <c47.6605f99c.37fb7527@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W35887F88C6CDA93F2BC7B7B4CF0@phx.gbl>


Tom;

 

Thanks that will be a huge help, I'll give you a call , when you

said to call.

 

              Thanks again

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:13:27 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M 6 HP
> 
> 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
> 
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Four photos of the Wico EK type mag setup on the 6M engine. First photo 
> is out of rotation by 90 deg and looking straight into the mag from the 
> front of the engine. The others are from the side of the mag, one showing the 
> mag tripped. Guess I should have dusted the engine off and cleaned it a 
> bit prior to the photos.
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M1.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M2.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M3.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/6M4.jpg) 
> 
> Hope this is of some help. 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct  5 12:38:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct 9, 10, 11.
Message-ID: <59401.168.215.206.73.1254771494.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Folks,
It's that time of year again! Cotton Ginning Days will be Oct 9, 10 and 11
in Dallas, NC. Same place as always. This will be year 22 if I am
remembering correctly. The county estimates the spectator attendance at
25,000, so if you like demonstrating your old iron, this is the show for
you.
As usual the SEL area will be the wood sawing area just below the cotton
gin and engine.
Saturday evening at 5:30 we serve a free country dinner to all folks
displaying. Bring your engines, tractors, antique cars, and swap items to
Cotton Ginning Days. The website for more information and the map if
you've never been is here. <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
Hope to see you this weekend.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Looking for log saw and operators. We had 6 running last year.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA&feature=PlayList&p=E95B6F1503DEAF74&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=31>



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Oct  6 07:32:13 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:32:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>

hello ray I have a 3hp but no mag but all the fittings you can have a look 
if you want to


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
> maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
> phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George
> Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester
>> Smith
>> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket 
>> &
>> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
>> gear drive, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>>
>>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>>> Ray Freeman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Tallman
>>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>>
>>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>>
>>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and 
>>>> a
>>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>>> specifically do you need?
>>>>
>>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>>> Concord,  Va.
>>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct  6 17:41:48 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:41:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] IH Type M
In-Reply-To: <8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>
References: <c39.619f283c.37f9eea3@aol.com><4AC89A8C.6030405@accnorwalk.com>	<003701ca4564$505c41b0$f114c510$@net.au><00c901ca4569$edec7620$210110ac@Chester>	<004301ca459e$343b6ee0$9cb24ca0$@net.au><9D7377459ECE41B59EB5411981353038@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<004c01ca45ae$63c680e0$2b5382a0$@net.au>
	<8E67476FC78F4C1A8F6800206FD27834@armstrong>
Message-ID: <001501ca46e6$f415eb20$dc41c160$@net.au>

Thanks Kevin. I should be right. I had another look yesterday and it has the
bit there for the advance/retard which I'm sure would make it a EK mag
engine.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin
armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 10:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M

hello ray I have a 3hp but no mag but all the fittings you can have a look 
if you want to


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M


> Thanks Peter,I'll ask him on Wed.night. Its a little confusing as all the
> maggy gear is missing (one of those complete engines you buy over the
> phone)and the side plate looks different to my 1 1/2M with an EK.
> Ray Freeman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 6:28 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
> Ray,I had one years ago ,it had the Wico magneto.I passed it on to George
> Chapple ,I dont know if he still has it .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>
>
>> Thanks Chester,that will sort it out.
>> Ray Freeman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chester
>> Smith
>> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>> Hi Ray, the bosch rotary is gear driven, so the side plate has a bracket 
>> &
>> hole near the camshaft, the wico is driven by a ecentric rod, no hole for
>> gear drive, cheers,
>> Chester.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>
>>
>>>I have a 6 hp without the mag and I am unsure which mag it takes.It has a
>>> spark plug so obviously high tension but how do I tell which one. Is the
>>> plate that the mag bolts to different depending on the mag?
>>> Ray Freeman
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Tallman
>>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 8:52 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] IH Type M
>>>
>>> Tom, there were actually 3 types. The low tension, a Bosch rotary high
>>> tension and the Wico EK Doug T
>>>
>>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>> There were two types of mags, a low tension rotary mag for ignitor and 
>>>> a
>>>> high tension mag for spark plug.  I have two high tension types.   What
>>>> specifically do you need?
>>>>
>>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>>> Concord,  Va.
>>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Tue Oct  6 18:14:06 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:14:06 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
Message-ID: <52618.203.39.63.3.1254878046.squirrel@mail.steamengine.com.au>

Hi all,
My Steam & Engine web site has been migrating over the last month from
Paul Evan's server to a hosted system in Australia. At the same time it
has migrated from hand built HTML to a content management system called
Joomla.

About 75% of the content has now migrated across.

I'd appreciated feedback on the look and feel of the site and for you all
to add your related clubs and societies to the new directory as I'm
leaving that migration to last to ensure I have the most up to date
information possible.

Another request is for you to review the SEL FAQ which has been migrated
intact. Many of the answers there are between 3 and 10 years old. Things
may have changed and may need to be updated.

General site
http://www.steamengine.com.au/

Direct to the FAQ
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/faq

If your questions/comments/feedback are about the site plese send to me
directly off list. If you want to discuss something about the FAQ then on
list is probably best.

On the FAQ, I'm seeking an icon or picture to represent each FAQ item. If
you have something suitable that you can give me the rights to use please
let me know. Remember this is your FAQ.

Unlike the old site, I can grant the rights to contribute articles and
pictures directly. Contact me offlist if you're interested.

Regards
Paul



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Oct  7 00:38:27 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:38:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>

>From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.

Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
last one.

Regards
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hallaran
Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:10 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!

Hello,
      I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to
Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS
group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a
heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list
totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to
like Harry's?
Thanks,
       Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA

PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
    


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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Oct  7 03:16:05 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:16:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Alan
Message-ID: <F10E8572638043349BBC97D35E8479BC@peterlowe>

Happy Birthday Alan Wheaton

From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 03:33:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:33:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Wico EK Mag.
Message-ID: <COL106-W35540FFED6D283B5F089C5B4CD0@phx.gbl>


Hello guys;

To all that replied to the IH question I posted, many thanks.

What I'm looking for now is a working Wico EK Mag.

for my friends IH 6 HP type M.

 

             Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 		 	   		  

From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Wed Oct  7 06:21:03 2009
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:21:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
Message-ID: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>

My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/

Pete.

On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 18:38 +1100, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> >From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
> everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.
> 
> Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
> last one.
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hallaran
> Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:10 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> 
> Hello,
>       I am a newbie to this list. My Name is Jack Hallaran. I went to
> Portland this year and put a bunch of videos on my Youtube channel: 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/Hallaran 
> Please stop by and take a look if you would like. I stopped by the ATIS
> group, (but no one really knows anyone by looking at their face). I am a
> heavy old engine internet lurker so I guess I am faceless. Is this list
> totally email based? Do you have one site that you post all your pictures to
> like Harry's?
> Thanks,
>        Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA
> 
> PS: I have a half breed video on my site also. 
>     
> 
> 
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-- 
Pete Alleman
pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From Twowhistle at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 06:33:01 2009
From: Twowhistle at aol.com (Twowhistle at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:33:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item
	110442499633 end
Message-ID: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>

The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive? 
 
 
It breaks my heart.....
Steve
 
 
 
 
_Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time 
Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
b6e2ce31)  


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 06:50:04 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:50:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell 
the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it 
belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam 
service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be 
changed?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item110442499633 end


> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a 
> locomotive?
>
>
> It breaks my heart.....
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> b6e2ce31)
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From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Wed Oct  7 06:57:05 2009
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item	110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>

Hopefully some museum will buy it?  It would be really sad if it went to
scrap!

Lew Best near Waco, TX
Please note new email addy 
lew at lewslittlefarm.com

-----Original Message-----

The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive? 
 
 
It breaks my heart.....
Steve
 
 
 
 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct  7 08:16:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pete:

I just sent mine in.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Pete
> Alleman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 08:21 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> 
> 
> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great 
> to get updates.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/en
> gine.people/
> 
> Pete.




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 07:27:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:27:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>

Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired 
either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun 
intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both 
maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost 
is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark


At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell
>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it
>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>changed?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> > locomotive?
> >
> >
> > It breaks my heart.....
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> > 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> > b6e2ce31)
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 07:30:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:30:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item	110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<004501ca4756$140f0a50$3c2d1ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091007143013.1165D9237@smtp.wcoil.com>

It will not go to scrap thats for sure. Even it it were a non 
functional static display its worth way more then metal scrap.      Mark


At 09:57 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Hopefully some museum will buy it?  It would be really sad if it went to
>scrap!
>
>Lew Best near Waco, TX
>Please note new email addy
>lew at lewslittlefarm.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a  locomotive?
>
>It breaks my heart.....
>Steve
>


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 07:44:16 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:44:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com><0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

They continue to run one steam trip per day, but its at 9 am so unless you 
stay at a hotel in the area the night before you'll miss the train.  The cog 
railway is a tourist attraction, and as such the steam locomotives are an 
integral part of the attraction.  Their management has been bitten by the 
green disease, and I think they would like to wholesale dump steam and 
everything it represents just as the Grand Canyon Railway has done.  Its not 
just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.

How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad 
ends?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item110442499633 end


> Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired
> either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun
> intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both
> maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost
> is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark
>
>
> At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to 
>>tell
>>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that 
>>it
>>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>>changed?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>>(item110442499633 end
>>
>>
>> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
>> > locomotive?
>> >
>> >
>> > It breaks my heart.....
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end 
>> > time
>> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
>> >
>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
>> > b6e2ce31)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date:
>>10/07/09 05:18:00
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Oct  7 08:17:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:17:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20091007142704.BFDB58DC6@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<0aa001ca475c$a560ac60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20091007151704.DC309926A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Well if the management has went green its a wonder they didn't scrap 
it to destroy a representation of the evil industrial 
revolution.  And this idocy of replacing steam with Diesel for green 
reasons is just mind boggling. Mark


At 10:44 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>They continue to run one steam trip per day, but its at 9 am so unless you
>stay at a hotel in the area the night before you'll miss the train.  The cog
>railway is a tourist attraction, and as such the steam locomotives are an
>integral part of the attraction.  Their management has been bitten by the
>green disease, and I think they would like to wholesale dump steam and
>everything it represents just as the Grand Canyon Railway has done.  Its not
>just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.
>
>How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad
>ends?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > Don't know for sure but I'll bet they don't want to see it retired
> > either. I'll bet  Two things are putting the pressure, "no pun
> > intended", on steam. Maintenance and Liability insurance on both
> > maintenance and operation. These two being the leading issues.  Cost
> > is putting the screws on so many things these days.  Mark
> >
> >
> > At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
> >>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to
> >>tell
> >>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that
> >>it
> >>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
> >>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
> >>changed?
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
> >>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
> >>(item110442499633 end
> >>
> >>
> >> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> >> > locomotive?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It breaks my heart.....
> >> > Steve
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end
> >> > time
> >> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> >> >
> >> 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> >> > b6e2ce31)
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date:
> >>10/07/09 05:18:00
> >
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
> > 454 Co. Rd. 33
> > Bluffton, OH. 45817
> > USA
> >
> > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date: 
>10/07/09 05:18:00


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  7 09:41:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:41:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item 110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Shock!

Missy, Devin, and I rode this cog railway many years ago and it is one of
those special memories one never forgets.
The inclined boiler makes the locomotive useless anywhere except on a very
steep grade, such as Mt. Washington for which it was designed.

I'm not sure I buy into the "green" reason for the switch to diesel. I'm
wondering if it is a combination of economics, wildfire risk, and safety.
I'll have to admit to a modicum of concern coming back down the mountain
as the horrid sounding brakes were applied to supplement the steams
engine's reversing efforts that weren't quite doing the job. While that is
all part of the thrill of the ride, I couldn't help but think, if anything
ever happens to the steamer, there isn't enough brake to make a difference
to the inevitability of gravity.

Besides, if they were really "green" they would take the ObamaOpt and use
wind power to power the train up the mountain :-)  There's plenty enough
wind on top of that mountain!!!

If this is inevitable, I wonder why they don't go electric? Regen on the
way back down allows power to be placed back on the grid. The more I think
about this, the less sense this switch from steam to diesel makes.

Saddened that one of the great destinations of the country for the 
mechanically inclined is changing.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> locomotive?
>
>
> It breaks my heart.....
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> b6e2ce31)
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct  7 10:00:53 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:00:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
	(item 110442499633 end
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0ace01ca476f$bb436aa0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I don't believe that the locomotive and coach actually make contact during 
the descent.  My understanding is that the brakeman controls the car and 
maintains a small distance between the coach and the locomotive.  The 
coach's brakes are doing all its work during the descent.  The locomotive 
uses a system whereas the cylinders become air compressors and that 
resistance is enough to control the speed of the locomotive.  If the coach's 
brakes should fail the locomotive would have the ability to stop the 
movement.  It may not sound as if that were possible but its worked for over 
a hundred years that way.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay 
(item 110442499633 end


> Shock!
>
> Missy, Devin, and I rode this cog railway many years ago and it is one of
> those special memories one never forgets.
> The inclined boiler makes the locomotive useless anywhere except on a very
> steep grade, such as Mt. Washington for which it was designed.
>
> I'm not sure I buy into the "green" reason for the switch to diesel. I'm
> wondering if it is a combination of economics, wildfire risk, and safety.
> I'll have to admit to a modicum of concern coming back down the mountain
> as the horrid sounding brakes were applied to supplement the steams
> engine's reversing efforts that weren't quite doing the job. While that is
> all part of the thrill of the ride, I couldn't help but think, if anything
> ever happens to the steamer, there isn't enough brake to make a difference
> to the inevitability of gravity.
>
> Besides, if they were really "green" they would take the ObamaOpt and use
> wind power to power the train up the mountain :-)  There's plenty enough
> wind on top of that mountain!!!
>
> If this is inevitable, I wonder why they don't go electric? Regen on the
> way back down allows power to be placed back on the grid. The more I think
> about this, the less sense this switch from steam to diesel makes.
>
> Saddened that one of the great destinations of the country for the
> mechanically inclined is changing.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>> The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
>> locomotive?
>>
>>
>> It breaks my heart.....
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
>> Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
>> b6e2ce31)
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:11:24 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:11:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive/Being "Green".
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007185603.0213aec0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Rick Rowlands" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
><snip>
<another snip>
>   Its not just maintenance, its a "religious" thing to them.
>How much of our industrial history must be sacraficed before this green fad
>ends?
>Rick

Hi Rick,
         Unfortunately there are just too many people in this world today 
with nothing to do and all day to do it !!!

         The "green thing" and many other similar "causes" will only end 
when these people are given something else to REALLY worry about - like a 
3rd World War.

         When they have to worry about where their next meal is coming from 
then they will soon forget the "Green" cause - WTF they'll even eat whale 
and dolphin meat cooked on power generated by a nuclear power station when 
that happens.

         Unfortunately that's not going to happen any time soon.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:25:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Steam & Engine website rebirth
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au
>Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
>
>Hi all,
>My Steam & Engine web site has been migrating over the last month from
>Paul Evan's server to a hosted system in Australia. At the same time it
>has migrated from hand built HTML to a content management system called
>Joomla.
>
>About 75% of the content has now migrated across.
>
>I'd appreciated feedback on the look and feel of the site and for you all
>to add your related clubs and societies to the new directory as I'm
>leaving that migration to last to ensure I have the most up to date
>information possible.
>
>Another request is for you to review the SEL FAQ which has been migrated
>intact. Many of the answers there are between 3 and 10 years old. Things
>may have changed and may need to be updated.
>
>General site
>http://www.steamengine.com.au/
>
>Direct to the FAQ
>http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/ic/faq
>
>If your questions/comments/feedback are about the site plese send to me
>directly off list. If you want to discuss something about the FAQ then on
>list is probably best.
>On the FAQ, I'm seeking an icon or picture to represent each FAQ item. If
>you have something suitable that you can give me the rights to use please
>let me know. Remember this is your FAQ.
>Unlike the old site, I can grant the rights to contribute articles and
>pictures directly. Contact me offlist if you're interested.
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         I had a quick look - congratulations, it looks very good - very 
professional.

         Are you looking for info on clubs worldwide or just Aus?

         Have you got a "Links" page (as mentioned it was a "quick look") 
if so could you add mine "Old Engines in South Africa" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 10:34:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:34:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!/mug shots.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007192630.02151ec8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
>
> >From time to time someone gets excited and puts up a page with pics of
>everyone but beyond that, no most people are faceless.
>Is it time to do another one of mug shot pages? It's been a while since the
>last one.
>Regards
>Paul

Hi Paul,
         Good idea, Jeff Allen did one a year or so back but there was not 
much response to it and I do not know what happened to it. Pete Alleman's 
page seriously needs an update (Sorry Pete - not intended as an insult - 
just constructive criticism, I do see you have posted re "updates".)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct  7 14:40:46 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:40:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Oct  7 14:30:21 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:30:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
 (item110442499633 end
In-Reply-To: <0a7301ca4755$12b0a840$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091007172931.0c2064a0@ncweb.com>

I just posted a similar question to them, we'll see if they have the &^*&^* 
to answer.

Dave Merchant


At 09:50 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>Several of us have used the ask a question form on the ebay listing to tell
>the Mt. Washington Cog Railway that selling the locomotive is wrong, that it
>belongs on the Mountain and that we would like to see additional steam
>service restored.  If enough people do that then maybe some minds can be
>changed?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Twowhistle at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Check out Working Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay
>(item110442499633 end
>
>
> > The beginning of the end.  Anyone have a mountain in need of a
> > locomotive?
> >
> >
> > It breaks my heart.....
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _Working  Cog Railway Steam Locomotive - eBay (item 110442499633 end time
> > Oct-15-09  12:31:44 PDT)_
> > 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Cog-Railway-Steam-Locomotive_W0QQitemZ110442499633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19
> > b6e2ce31)
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  7 14:50:15 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:50:15 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <C91CAA3A08F548908F8115D03D66B301@homedesktop>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>

At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985
>  <massive snip>

Hi Guys 'n Gals,
         Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There 
is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.)

         Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software 
maybe some of you could give me a few pointers.

         The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old 
Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512 
Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
         Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now 
it has to do.

         I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?) 
and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I was 
still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10 
Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not use 
Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.)

         AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I 
think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420.
         This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a 
total "memory hog".
         When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for 
about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager", 
"performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can see 
that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my 
resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open "Notepad" 
(for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the "letter" 
to show on the screen.
         The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's 
daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the 
next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems to 
think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they 
want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g"
programmers deem best.
         On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time 
(usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)). the 
computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that I 
can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering).
         Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are:
         i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows 
"save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click on a 
folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG makes 
sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to 
scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then 
only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned 
everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time just 
to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere.
         ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as 
well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure many 
others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email.

         O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys. 
Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from knowledgeable 
people.  If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your 
recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your reasons 
as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme.
         It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but 
nobody has given reasons.
         Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm 
"Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this time 
:-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ?

         All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an 
idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER)  would 
like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I 
tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the "f%#*g" 
programmer feels is best for me on every update.
         I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing 
it's job.

         I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who 
know what "it's all about".

         FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many 
years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of "Antivirus 
Software".

         I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" - 
about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the Internet.

         Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander" 
and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair" - I 
think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they brought 
out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of 64 
Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more 
important to me :-)
         The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At 
the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards  it was 
harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often 
wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses in 
the first place.
         All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting 
the "delete" key.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>






From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 15:37:08 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <319042.16130.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Elden,,,
Get-er done.
That is gonna be one cool butt buggy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:40 PM


The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is nearly finished.? It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage. 

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 16:07:06 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:07:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Elden,

There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with 
out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator 
and some trig tables
and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is 
interested I will go through it.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........


The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!

It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I 
can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' 
any wheelies, though.

If you're interested, it's on my webpage.

Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release 
Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00



From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Wed Oct  7 17:08:38 2009
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOMIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1254960518.11784.3.camel@ralph>

Great! I added it to the photo album.

I would like to encourage everyone to send pictures - yourself,
others ... anything helps.

Pete.

On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 10:16 -0500, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Pete:
> 
> I just sent mine in.
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Pete
> > Alleman
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 08:21 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
> > 
> > 
> > My rogues' list page is still up. It would great 
> > to get updates.
> > http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/en
> > gine.people/
> > 
> > Pete.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
-- 
Pete Alleman
pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
Lafayette, Louisiana USA




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  7 18:57:46 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <74AAEF114F8448A4B5781D94C152E695@LapTop>



Looking good.

It's amazing what a thinking man can do.

See ya the 16th.

A












Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
http://oldengine.org/members/southwell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........


> The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!
>
> It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I can say it is 
> nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin' any wheelies, though.
>
> If you're interested, it's on my webpage.
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date: 10/07/09 
05:18:00



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  7 18:58:37 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:58:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <F06F3908-4A5C-40BC-A848-B14197CD6146@rustyiron.com>

Please!



On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Hi Elden,
>
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is
> interested I will go through it.
>
> Jim



From JMGRIVNA at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 19:14:36 2009
From: JMGRIVNA at aol.com (JMGRIVNA at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:14:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
Message-ID: <c74.5b6ba014.37fea50c@aol.com>

Hello Pete, we are moving to Louisiana from Ohio and I'm currently in Baton 
Rouge.  We kept three of our engines to bring down and hope to find a few 
acres somewhere to start up our collection again.  I get over to Lafayette a 
couple of time a month.

I'm hoping we can find some engine gatherings in LA.  I know of a couple 
other collectors in LA.  Maybe we can all hook up in the future.

Mike


From galoway4 at hughes.net  Wed Oct  7 19:17:01 2009
From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur  Buchanan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:17:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20E4B56B3E214B438AC90EEAA3FB78E4@jokerB>

Lets have it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........


> Hi Elden,
>
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate angles with
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial indicator
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are anybody else is
> interested I will go through it.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "Stationary Engine List"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
>
>
> The new 2009 Green Algore Edition Hybrid Hoyt-Clagwell!
>
> It moved under it's own (battery) power today so I suppose I
> can say it is nearly finished.  It ain't a-gonna be doin'
> any wheelies, though.
>
> If you're interested, it's on my webpage.
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release
> Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 03:17:08 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:17:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Jerry give the Wizard of OZ (Peter Lowe) a shout, he teachs comptuer science classes and uses AVG, maybe he can help you off list.
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>: -------------- 


> At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote: 
> >Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985 
> > 
> 
> Hi Guys 'n Gals, 
> Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There 
> is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.) 
> 
> Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software 
> maybe some of you could give me a few pointers. 
> 
> The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old 
> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512 
> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.) 
> Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now 
> it has to do. 
> 
> I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?) 
> and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I was 
> still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10 
> Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not use 
> Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.) 
> 
> AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I 
> think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420. 
> This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a 
> total "memory hog". 
> When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for 
> about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager", 
> "performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can see 
> that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my 
> resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open "Notepad" 
> (for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the "letter" 
> to show on the screen. 
> The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's 
> daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the 
> next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems to 
> think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they 
> want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g" 
> programmers deem best. 
> On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time 
> (usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)). the 
> computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that I 
> can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering). 
> Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are: 
> i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows 
> "save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click on a 
> folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG makes 
> sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to 
> scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then 
> only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned 
> everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time just 
> to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere. 
> ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as 
> well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure many 
> others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email. 
> 
> O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys. 
> Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from knowledgeable 
> people. If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your 
> recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your reasons 
> as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme. 
> It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but 
> nobody has given reasons. 
> Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm 
> "Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this time 
> :-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ? 
> 
> All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an 
> idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER) would 
> like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I 
> tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the "f%#*g" 
> programmer feels is best for me on every update. 
> I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing 
> it's job. 
> 
> I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who 
> know what "it's all about". 
> 
> FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many 
> years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of "Antivirus 
> Software". 
> 
> I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" - 
> about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the Internet. 
> 
> Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander" 
> and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair" - I 
> think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they brought 
> out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of 64 
> Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more 
> important to me :-) 
> The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At 
> the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards it was 
> harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often 
> wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses in 
> the first place. 
> All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting 
> the "delete" key. 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down) 
> Jerry Evans 
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. 
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct  8 04:25:24 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 04:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03
	BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I'm the network antivirus and security administrator at work (a state agency)
I use Symantec Endpoint Protection at work, and one a couple of my home
computers.
I use their 360 protection on a home computer.
They've come a @#$ of a long ways in reducing overhead. Nothing at all
like it was a couple of years ago. The charts showing performance hits
blow Trend, McAfee and the others out of the water - they now have the
lowest performance hit of any of the major vendors.
They have completely redesigned the scanning engine. On SEP, you get the
deltas of the updates. The issue is that viruses and threats run into the
hundreds of thousands now - not like it was a few years ago. There are
literally over a thousand new variants/strains and threats found every day
now, some morph in hours, some with each new infection so the vendors are
having issues keeping up.
A co-worker here uses AVG at home but has admitted that he's found he
still needs to resort to other things when he's doing high-risk work
because, well, it's not kept up like the major players have. (most folks
will never be exposed to the sort of risks we are - although those who
like to visit certain sorts of sites will be much higher risk than any of
us!)
He's is very familiar with multiple protections and for heavy work, he
still prefers SEP and says it's less overhead than his home AVG.
I've not compared, but know that they have put a lot of work into reducing
their overhead and it shows here at work. Folks hardly notice the regular
scans now. And there are good reasons to do a FULL scan of all files each
week. Trust me on that, been doing this very thing since about 1989 - 20
years now. "The rules have changed" as they say, in the world of viruses
and other risks. Try dealing with rootkits, rogue browser helpers/phony av
apps, etc. You don't even want to consider your papa's antivirus in
today's world. Even with the very best of protection, what should be safe
web sites can and will infect your computer.
You need a GOOD FIREWALL, too - forget that Windows firewall shit, biggest
bunch of crap ever. Worthless. Even I can crack through it! For the full
protection, browsing protection, firewall, intrusion prevention, etc. - I
use the Symnantec product. At work, I can even decide what will run and
not run on your computer. Whitelist. If I don't want it to run, you can't
run it. If I don't want it in, it won't get in, and I can block your USB
devices by brand, model, etc. as well. I've rigged it so autorun.inf file
won't function, and you can't run DLL or EXE files from certain areas.
I've even built custom IPS signatures that look into packets and block
certain content.

Love those products!
I protect 28 servers and 350 workstations and notebooks.
At Principal, I did the same for 1,200 servers and 16,000 computers around
the globe. I used SAV CE there.

Bill
ITS4
Network Security Administrator
State of Iowa, Iowa Vocational Rehabilitation Services (IVRS)

> Hey Jerry give the Wizard of OZ (Peter Lowe) a shout, he teachs comptuer
> science classes and uses AVG, maybe he can help you off list.
> Curt Andree
> -------------- Original message from Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> --------------
>
>
>> At 08:57 PM 07/10/2009, you wrote:
>> >Errr... given that Windows 1 came out in 1985
>> >
>>
>> Hi Guys 'n Gals,
>> Prepare for one of those "long posts" that I'm known for. (There
>> is always the "Delete" key - bottom right on your keyboard.)
>>
>> Seeing as that the topic is steering toward antivirus software
>> maybe some of you could give me a few pointers.
>>
>> The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old
>> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512
>> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
>> Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now
>> it has to do.
>>
>> I've always been very aware and "up to date" on viruses (virii ?)
>> and used "Norton Antivirus" for many years but, a few years ago when I
>> was
>> still on dialup, the Norton updates became just too big (more than 10
>> Mbytes) for a dialup connection and I installed "AVG Free". (I do not
>> use
>> Microsoft's Firewall or Antivirus.)
>>
>> AVG worked very well for me but then they brought out ver.7 (I
>> think) and now with updates I'm on ver. 8.5.420.
>> This damn programme has now spoilt all my "computer fun". It is a
>> total "memory hog".
>> When I start up each morning the darn computer is useless for
>> about 10 minutes while AVG "does it's stuff". (In "Task Manager",
>> "performance" is "red lined" all this time and under "Processes" I can
>> see
>> that it is AVG (and their "add on" - TeaTimer) that is hogging all my
>> resources) This "hogging of resources" is so bad that, if I open
>> "Notepad"
>> (for example) and type a letter it takes about 5 seconds for the
>> "letter"
>> to show on the screen.
>> The next problem is that the "f%#*g" programme decides to run it's
>> daily scan and updates at 5:00pm every day - I change this often but the
>> next automatic update always "resets" it to 5:00 "f%#*g" pm. AVG seems
>> to
>> think that all it's users are imbecilic idiots and, no matter what they
>> want everything is reset to what AVG's "f%#*g"
>> programmers deem best.
>> On this computer that "scan" takes about 2 hours and in that time
>> (usually about time to check if the new "SEL" digest has arrived :-)).
>> the
>> computer is totally useless - AVG is hogging everything. (I do know that
>> I
>> can set "Scan Options" in case you are wondering).
>> Other problems that I experience (on this computer) are:
>> i) When saving a file using the "save as" command the windows
>> "save as - pop up" box takes ages to reach the stage where I can click
>> on a
>> folder or directory - I suspect/assume that this is while "f%#*g" AVG
>> makes
>> sure that I'm not opening a folder that has a virus in it - it seems to
>> scan the whole disk first instead of letting me choose a folder and then
>> only scanning that folder. After all, AVG has (previously) scanned
>> everything on my computer, why should it now waste all this (my) time
>> just
>> to ensure that there is not a virus anywhere.
>> ii) I used to have a problem with it's "f%#*g" email checking as
>> well but managed to disable that some time back. My ISP (as I'm sure
>> many
>> others have) has a pretty good prog to sort out all the "nasty" email.
>>
>> O.K. those are my gripes - now for some answers from you guys.
>> Please note that I'm looking for "constructive" answers from
>> knowledgeable
>> people. If you want to post an answer then please give reasons for your
>> recommendation based on my post above. I'd really like to hear your
>> reasons
>> as to why I should change to "such and such" an Antivirus programme.
>> It has been recommended that I change to "Panda" or "Avast" but
>> nobody has given reasons.
>> Paul mentioned Microsoft and gave good reasons but I'm
>> "Anti-Microsoft" (Hi Rob & Kelley - no I cannot change to Mac at this
>> time
>> :-)) - should I lower my expectations and go for Microsoft and why ?
>>
>> All I want is a programme that does not consider me to be an
>> idiot. I want to be able to tell this programme what I (THE USER) would
>> like it to do - not what the "f%#*g" programmer thinks I need and, if I
>> tell it to do "so and so" I do not want it to "reset" to what the
>> "f%#*g"
>> programmer feels is best for me on every update.
>> I also do not want it to hog all my resources while it is doing
>> it's job.
>>
>> I'm keeping an open mind here and asking for advice from guys who
>> know what "it's all about".
>>
>> FWIW - I have not had a virus on any of my computers for many
>> years - I put that down to "common sense" more than my choice of
>> "Antivirus
>> Software".
>>
>> I've also been "connected" since the days of "Bulletin Boards" -
>> about 1991 - not as long as Paul but certainly not a "newbie" to the
>> Internet.
>>
>> Hey Paul, I used to use "PC Tools" long before "Norton Commander"
>> and Symantec arrived on the scene. My first "computer" was a "Sinclair"
>> - I
>> think it had the magnificent total of 1 Kbyte of memory before they
>> brought
>> out the next version which had (again, I think) the magnificent total of
>> 64
>> Kbytes of memory. That was a long time ago - now my engines are far more
>> important to me :-)
>> The first virus I got was "Stoned" I'm sure you remember it! At
>> the time I was seriously stressed about it but, by todays standards it
>> was
>> harmless. There were no "Antivirus Programmes" in those days. I often
>> wonder if the "Antivirus" vendors are not the guys who write the viruses
>> in
>> the first place.
>> All for now, thanks to all who have read this far before hitting
>> the "delete" key.
>>
>> Keep the revs up (or down)
>> Jerry Evans
>> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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>




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Thu Oct  8 04:42:53 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:42:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Steam & Engine website rebirth
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091007191218.02157eb0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <001401ca480c$79050520$6b0f0f60$@com.au>

Thanks Jerry, any clubs anywhere as long as they are steam or engine
related.

Link is added. The links page is a little buried (under
stuff/miscellaneous). Once I've updated it and checked all the links I will
put it in a menu.

Regards
Paul

Hi Paul,
         I had a quick look - congratulations, it looks very good - very 
professional.

         Are you looking for info on clubs worldwide or just Aus?

         Have you got a "Links" page (as mentioned it was a "quick look") 
if so could you add mine "Old Engines in South Africa" 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/index.htm>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct  8 05:13:44 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:13:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>

I run AVAST free on my gaming machine, AVG free in my workshop, AVG free on 
my multimedia machine in the lounge room and Norton Internet Security 2009 
on my office machine.
I have no noticeable trouble with any of them. Norton is a hell of a lot 
less machine memeory hungry and interogating as the earlier versions.
I do prefer AVAST to AVG in th efree versions.
One thing that P****s me off is the scanning of outgoing emails from my 
clean machine, if you turn that option off it red flags the icon as thougfh 
something is wrong.

Peter, Oz 




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 06:54:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:54:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

That would be good to know.  For a mathematically challenged guy like me, please make it simple.  (Oh, yes - I do still have a Trig table.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 06:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........
> 
> 
> Hi Elden,
> 
> There is a simple way of machining very accurate 
> angles with 
> out putting much effort into it.  It takes a dial 
> indicator 
> and some trig tables
> and of course a milling machine.  If you are 
> anybody else is 
> interested I will go through it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Oct  8 07:44:08 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:44:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>

OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze 
your friends and earn big bucks.

If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about 
where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the 
part.  Put the part in the vise and
pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you 
can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have 
done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't 
matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will 
need to move to be on the nut.

Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the 
angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11 
deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the 
mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will 
work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now 
contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads 
zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199 
(rounded off here) without touching the indicator
move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the 
angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position 
and repeat the process until it reads zero for
both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the 
baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3 
inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.

If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to 
several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface 
to reference to.

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net>




From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Oct  8 08:40:18 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><100820091017.904.4ACDBC2400098AF100000388223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>	<2077.165.206.180.130.1255001124.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<319371276AC14B46AB7CB52A0517AA9E@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4ACE07E2.6020800@telenet.net>

Peter Lowe wrote:
> I run AVAST free on my gaming machine, AVG free in my workshop, AVG free on 
> my multimedia machine in the lounge room and Norton Internet Security 2009 
> on my office machine.
> I have no noticeable trouble with any of them. Norton is a hell of a lot 
> less machine memeory hungry and interogating as the earlier versions.
> I do prefer AVAST to AVG in th efree versions.
> One thing that P****s me off is the scanning of outgoing emails from my 
> clean machine, if you turn that option off it red flags the icon as thougfh 
> something is wrong.
> 
> Peter, Oz 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Easy solution, Go in, set it so it doesn't scan outgoing mail, then go
into "ignore faulty conditions" and set it to ignore the mail scanner. I
have mine set to ignore that, the fact that I don't let it update
whenever it wants as well.  Then it only flags a problem with the items
I care about.


-- 
Steve W.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct  8 09:21:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:21:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] need to locate a stirling collector
Message-ID: <005401ca4833$74c3ee50$42920556@intrepid>

I was looking at Paul Pavlonovich's excellent site at
http://www.steamengine.com.au/index.php/stirling/restoration/87-kyko-stirling-fan
when I saw a request from a John Rowe for information on a Kyko Stirling fan.
As I have a lot of info on this make collected over 20 years I have tried to contact
John on his address at alltel.net but I am not getting a reply.
When I spoke to Paul he told me that what I thought was a new request might be 
years old from his previous site.
Does anyone know John Rowe & know where he lives?
TIA

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct  8 09:28:08 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:28:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <A2A02CEF-79E0-4128-B2D1-F644E6905301@rustyiron.com>

Very cool, Jimbo.

Not only does this provide a simple method of figuring out  
trigonometric problems, but it shows a neat way of using the indicator  
to measure the setup.

Thanks.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:44 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze
> your friends and earn big bucks.
>
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will
> need to move to be on the nut.
>
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
>
> If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to
> several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface
> to reference to.
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  8 16:20:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:20:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPFIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Thanks!  Now I can go out and earn the big bucks.  It's the American Way (or, at least it used to be).

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 09:44 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Introducing........
> 
> 
> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze 
> your friends and earn big bucks.
> 
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about 
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you 
> machine the 
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so 
> that you 
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have 
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one 
> end (doesn't 
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will 
> need to move to be on the nut.
> 
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the 
> tangent of the 
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11 
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the 
> head of the 
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is 
> solid will 
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 
> increments.  Now 
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it 
> till reads 
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the 
> tangent or .199 
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the 
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct 
> the position 
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the 
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if 
> you use 3 
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
> 
> If this is done with care you can easily machine 
> an angle to 
> several minutes of arc provided there is an 
> accurate surface 
> to reference to.
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  8 16:12:51 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:12:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
In-Reply-To: <9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <3C47409E1339484EAE952E7A92CC8D68@KerryPC>

Thanks Jim for posting, a saver

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct  8 22:46:16 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:46:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Introducing........
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEPAIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com><203D7EC3708245BFA838A1715E7CA50D@your46e94owx6a>
	<9A5E2EE0CF1C4F37A2D66E4EA531D5EA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <68634105513148F39045EA1C2EFBFA4F@peterlowe>

Man, you lost me on paragraph three, a nice youtube video would be nice 
;-)))
Peter, Oz






> OK here is how it is done, machine accurate angles, amaze
> your friends and earn big bucks.
>
> If you have a protractor scribe the angle you want about
> where the top of the vise jaws will be when you machine the
> part.  Put the part in the vise and
> pinch it on the scribe line.  Tighten the vise so that you
> can still move the part with a soft hammer.  If you have
> done this fairly accurately it helps to set one end (doesn't
> matter which) slightly high so you know which why it will
> need to move to be on the nut.
>
> Now get out your trig tables and look up the tangent of the
> angle you want to machine.  In Eldon's case  .1989 for 11
> deg 15 minutes.  Now put your indicator on the head of the
> mill.  I prefer a drill chuck but any way it is solid will
> work.  Use an indicator that read in  .001 increments.  Now
> contact the indicator to the work and adjust it till reads
> zero.  Drop the knee an amount equal to the tangent or .199
> (rounded off here) without touching the indicator
> move 1 inch.  If the indicator reads zero you have the
> angle, if it doesn't tap it slightly to correct the position
> and repeat the process until it reads zero for
> both ends.  The accuracy can be enhanced by working the
> baseline over a longer distance.  For instance if you use 3
> inches the tangent will have to multiplied by 3.
>
> If this is done with care you can easily machine an angle to
> several minutes of arc provided there is an accurate surface
> to reference to.
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  9 01:11:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:11:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <0170AE5D6CC845A6BC406AC4EF9F1EC9@YOURDA6F5028CB>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi All,
         Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this post. 
many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that 
a lot.

         What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry 
and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of 
AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)

         I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a 
painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I 
decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision 
I'll look at it again.

         Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a 
real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately now. 
Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a scan 
I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.

         Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows 
.................... :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From swork at endacomm.com  Fri Oct  9 01:30:00 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:30:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <1BC535661FDE4EBC984349CB49154149@ecsserverwebs>

Hi Jer,
  Odd that you have problems with AVG. I never had it to reset MY 
Preferences in any way.
My schedules stay where I set them, And Scan options stay as I set them. 
Even after a Full
Number Update  IE: 5.xxx - 6.xxx - 7.xxx etc.

  It actually sounds like your Laptop's HD is getting a bit flakey. 4 years 
is a long time for a
2.5 Inch drive to last. Does your laptop have 2 drive capability? (Second HD 
Port)
  If so. Check arround your local computer shops for a New/Good Used one of 
ample capacity
Backup anything important to you, Or use a HD-Setup tool (Maxblast for 
Maxtor's)
(Data Lifeguard for Western Dig.) etc, Usually manufacturer specific. But 
Maxblast can be
purchased for use with any hd brand. I suggest those, Because they both have 
a full partition
copy utility to backup/replace your current drive. XP Is Terrible about File 
fragmentation
(All Windows vers since ME for that matter)

                               - Solution 1-  (Retaining all your data)
a)  Do the full Drive-2-Drive copy ( Usually takes about 2 minutes/Gig.) on 
20 and under
about 1 Min/gig over 20.
b) Nuke (Recertify) your old drive, And either reverse the copy procedure, 
Or leave the
old drive in as an Archival storage drive. It should last a good long time 
in that role. My
Suspicion is that you are getting actual media damage to frequently 
re-written areas of
the drive.
  One final note on the above. If at all possible Hook your 2.5" HD up on 
your Desktop
(Via an adapter) to do these tasks. (The reasons are many but primarily Heat 
problems)

                               - Solution 2-  (Losing all your current data)
a) Use the system recovery CD's/DVD's that came with the laptop to restore 
it to factory
configuration (Asuming the drive passes the Preliminary tests)
b) Re-Install every program you use (Actually USE) and start it off fresh.

  You May have gotten some other computer advice from me in the past, So you 
know I
know what I'm talking about and there isn't much point re-hashing just to 
create more
distent among the other users here. If you need any further help on this, 
Feel free to E-Mail
me off-list at
 swork at endacomm.com  or Endacomm10 at yahoo.com  (In Order of preference)

     Steve.
P.S. I use (and have used) AVG Free for many years now with NONE of the 
problems you
wrote about. I Cannot say the same for Norton's , Avast , Defender , Or 
Panda.
All the aforementioned brands have made countless appearances on my repair 
benches !
  The only other one That seems to cause very little trouble is
Trend Micro's AV  (NOT the Internet Security suite). Which is the only other 
AV Tool
I recommend to my Customers/Clients.

  < Looks like I can get long winded as well Huh ??>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T.


>           Trimmed      <

>         The computer that I use to connect to the net with is a 4 year old
> Acer laptop and only has a "Celeron" processor (1733 Mhz with only 512
> Mbytes memory - running Win XP Service Pack 3 with all the updates.)
>         Yes, I do know that it is a "shitty" little computer but for now
> it has to do.

>           Trimmed      <
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 18:33:00

From swork at endacomm.com  Fri Oct  9 01:33:17 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:33:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom><7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer><002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au><84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop><009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au><5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za><000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <AEF56AAF232A4BDBBE73111F37877E00@ecsserverwebs>

Switch to Linux , Kubuntu 10 or later..  hehehehehehehe
 Steve.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All


> Hi All,
>         Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this post.
> many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that
> a lot.
>
>         What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry
> and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of
> AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)
>
>         I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a
> painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I
> decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision
> I'll look at it again.
>
>         Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a
> real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately 
> now.
> Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a 
> scan
> I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.
>
>         Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> .................... :-)
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 
18:33:00
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2423 - Release Date: 10/08/09 18:33:00

From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct  9 05:04:31 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <009901ca4737$22db6f20$68924d60$@com.au>
	<275402.78683.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<142896C7239A4D37A24A3B99979CC836@livingroom>
	<7CB0BD62A8B54A2EBBAE19D48D76FD6D@REGsServer>
	<002901ca471f$0af495c0$20ddc140$@com.au>
	<84C9372712E5434FB3FFD28D65C79CFA@homedesktop>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091007210015.0213e688@mail.atech.co.za>
	<000b01ca480a$55bf3e70$013dbb50$@com.au>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20091009075326.00bebb70@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <4567.165.206.180.130.1255089871.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

You can - it's called UBUNTU......

Bill

> Hi All,
>          Many thanks for all the constructive answers I got from this
> post.
> many of you went to a lot of trouble with your answers - I appreciate that
> a lot.
>
>          What I did was uninstall AVG including going through the registry
> and removing every reference to it there. (The "Uninstall" left plenty of
> AVG stuff there as well as "plugins" in my email prog. directory)
>
>          I decided to go for the Free Avast and installed it. Quite a
> painless operation. Although many of you recommended other software I
> decided to go this way for now - if it later proves to be a bad decision
> I'll look at it again.
>
>          Well, so far so good, my 'lil ole Laptop is almost acting like a
> real 'puter again. When I ask it to do something it reacts immediately
> now.
> Time will tell if it was the right decision. Also, while it is doing a
> scan
> I can carry on working normally without the annoying pauses and delays.
>
>          Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> .................... :-)
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  9 10:34:18 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:34:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1255104002.5127.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091009192749.00be7918@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi Bill,
         I'm not sure if I could ever be comfortable with software that 
has, as it's name, a word derived from an African language - no matter how 
noble the original intention or meaning of the word is/was. :-)

         <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)>
Keep well,
Jerry


At 06:00 PM 09/10/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] <snip>Now Antivirus and O.T./Thanks All
>
>You can - it's called UBUNTU......
>Bill



> >          Now, if I could just do something about MS Windows
> > .................... :-)
> > Keep the revs up (or down)
> > Jerry Evans



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 16:02:51 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
Message-ID: <aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pete,

Updates are needed fer sure.

This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.  8-))
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg

The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine shows.
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 10 16:21:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>

YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's  
Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own  
eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln   
Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,  
that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
	Dave
WOW, What memories!

On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Updates are needed fer sure.
>
> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.   
> 8-))
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>
> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine  
> shows.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Oct 10 16:21:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:21:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <20091010232056.81951340014@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>


>  Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
>

Oh Yeah I remember those OLD guys
Russ




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Oct 10 16:43:22 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:43:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <1297480246-1255218219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1010692834-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Dear God, I just found mine.  I must have been about 13 or so.  Scary!!

-Tony


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!

YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's  
Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own  
eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln   
Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,  
that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
	Dave
WOW, What memories!

On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Updates are needed fer sure.
>
> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.   
> 8-))
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>
> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine  
> shows.
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Oct 10 21:34:56 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:34:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
Message-ID: <003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted grandparents!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!


> YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now. "There's
> Devin. He is now an engineer. And Christian, he now owns his own
> eyeglass business--a whole chain of them. And there is that Lincoln
> Tucker lad. He is now a general in the Air Force. And look over there,
> that's Arnie and Dave. They are both dead now!"
> Dave
> WOW, What memories!
>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>> Pete,
>>
>> Updates are needed fer sure.
>>
>> This young sprat is now a strapping six-footer university student.
>> 8-))
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/French.Christian.jpg
>>
>> The young gentleman in this pic is also now well over six feet tall.
>> AND his mum and dad have learned to dress less formally for engine
>> shows.
>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt_Devin_and_Missy.jpg
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, October 7, 2009 9:21 am, Pete Alleman wrote:
>>> My rogues' list page is still up. It would great to get updates.
>>> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 10 22:00:33 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:00:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>

On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted  
> grandparents!!!!


We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our  
good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring  
them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their  
travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the  
difference?






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 23:06:13 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I. 
You DON'T want us to become all zombified...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 1:00 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
>
>> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted
>> grandparents!!!!
>
>
> We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our
> good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring
> them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their
> travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the
> difference?





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 10 23:06:26 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au><1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com><aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <fa0c8f0598f51358543d251e2d7667e3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I. 
You DON'T want us to become all zombified...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 1:00 am, Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
>
>> Yes, Steve and I will miss Arnie and Dave, our adopted
>> grandparents!!!!
>
>
> We don't necessarily have to suffer the heartbreak of the loss of our
> good friends Dave and Arnie now that they're dead.  We can still bring
> them out to shows, prop them up in their chairs, and duct tape their
> travel mugs in their hands.  Honestly, do you think you could tell the
> difference?





From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sun Oct 11 04:38:09 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:38:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <FBC8AADAA3F24CD0A71CAD15486BAA54@armstrong>

I have a few engines for sale

2 Kelly & Lewis suit parts
2 New Record suit parts
1 Champion
I Moffit virtue suit parts
Lawson suit parts
1 Southern Cross VD diesel near complete
1 Southern Cross EUC diesel 
2 Worsley WLB 8 1 big flywheels 1 small fly wheels
can supply photos and serial numbers if required
 McDonald TWB engine parts and gearbox parts
International a suit parts
these engines are in western australia.
please email below for information

  
Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 11 09:27:13 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:27:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1255276802.3114.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091011182546.02ad4e30@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
>
>YES, I agree totally! I can hear it all 25 years from now.


And there's that noisy South African guy that Dad used to complain about so :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:28:39 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:28:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
	<61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/11 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Just remember to pour frequent doses of that North Carolina Elixir into Dave and I.
> You DON'T want us to become all zombified...


There's a picture somewhere (unpublished of course!) of a certain PA
resident in his chair at Portland, looks like Zombie mode to me....
:-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:32:28 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:32:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
Message-ID: <6f6025160910110932q15b95f7dvae9163dc9afe2fbd@mail.gmail.com>

Just working out trips and schedules for next year, we certainly
missed our Portland fix this year!

Looks like we will fly into Chicago and drive up to Buckley, spend a
few days there then come back down again to Portland the following
week.

Like to do Baraboo, but I have a feeling that might be out of time for us.

Has anyone got the dates for all three shows handy?

Our youngest son is going to come with us this time, we found a bunch
of air miles that we didn't know we had, that will help a lot with the
flight costs!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 11:09:42 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
Message-ID: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?


?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise


      

From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 14:53:06 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:53:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <c21.59e996bb.3803adc2@aol.com>

Send me some photos please.
Kevin K
BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2009 7:40:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes:

I have a  few engines for sale

2 Kelly & Lewis suit parts
2 New Record  suit parts
1 Champion
I Moffit virtue suit parts
Lawson suit  parts
1 Southern Cross VD diesel near complete
1 Southern Cross EUC  diesel 
2 Worsley WLB 8 1 big flywheels 1 small fly wheels
can supply  photos and serial numbers if required
McDonald TWB engine parts and gearbox  parts
International a suit parts
these engines are in western  australia.
please email below for information


Kevin &  Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA  
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C.  of WA. member  
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
_______________________________________________
SEL  mailing  list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct 11 15:21:36 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Nope.  October 15, 16, 17, 2009 (Fall Expo and Swap Meet)
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm

On Sun, October 11, 2009 2:09 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 15:51:31 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Arnie. See ya there if unless it snow too hard.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 6:21 PM


Nope.? October 15, 16, 17, 2009 (Fall Expo and Swap Meet)
http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm

On Sun, October 11, 2009 2:09 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>


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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct 11 21:12:15 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:12:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>

	Yes. It is. Will you be there?

Rupert

Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
> 

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sun Oct 11 23:23:07 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:23:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>

	Oops. Sorry. I didn't read the subject line properly.

Rupert

Rupert wrote:
> 	Yes. It is. Will you be there?
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Ron Frost wrote:
>> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
>>
>>
>>  Ron Frost
>>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>  
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>>
>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
> 

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 03:45:28 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <371444.13340.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I plan on it unless the snow is too deep to get there. Won't be bringing anything this year. Promised the wife, Just the pickup without the trailer. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com> wrote:


From: Rupert <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:12 AM


??? Yes. It is. Will you be there?

Rupert

Ron Frost wrote:
> Is the 17th and 18th the correct days for the October show this year?
> 
> 
>? Ron Frost
>???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>? 
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> 
>? ? ???
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00
> 

-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.??? 

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
??? 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 12 08:23:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs Show dates.
In-Reply-To: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <285041.17271.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7a3cf1e5b487216c53064be5b704d068.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Coolspring in the Fall?  Sneux has happened...

On Sun, October 11, 2009 6:51 pm, Ron Frost wrote:
> Thanks Arnie. See ya there if unless it snow too hard.
>




From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Oct 12 10:01:01 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:01:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring on Youtube
In-Reply-To: <28469e61e0b3156a2022a28cc36a8700.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091012125708.0c20f460@ncweb.com>

The upcoming show got me going to post some Coolspring vids from last year...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Zr6a0PD2Q&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_PGYc76JUw&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfEOBTVqYD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYbwf3p2vQ&feature=channel

I'd like to get a start on procrastinating, but I keep putting it off.

Dave Merchant

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 12 17:48:17 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:48:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Building
References: <c6d.5adaa789.37fdf28d@aol.com>
	<59260.168.215.206.73.1254933674.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <0d6501ca4b9e$da911e60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The framework for the Tod Engine's new enginehouse is complete, and tomorrow 
we will start putting the sheeting on.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2146505370033749120JhNIQu?vhost=good-times

Unfortunately I don't have enough money to buy enough sheeting to get the 
entire building enclosed, but I do have enough material for the roof and at 
least one of the sides.  We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel 
right now to find enough cash to finish the building.  I'll be at Coolspring 
on Thursday selling copies of the Tod Engine book, so please pick up a copy 
of the book there or order it direct if you won't be in attendance.

Contributions to the building project are sorely needed right now.  We have 
absolutely zero overhead, all money that comes in goes directly to buying 
materials and supplies or for equipment rental.  The engine is one of the 
largest stationary steam engines in the United States, and certainly the 
largest one that has been moved and reassembled in recent years.

There is an easy way to make a contribution online by going to this page:
https://www.networkforgood.org/donation/MakeDonation.aspx?ORGID2=311728637 
Or you can send a check to the address on that page.  Either way we need 
your support, and soon!

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 03:30:36 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910110932q15b95f7dvae9163dc9afe2fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <654082.20591.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Buckley dates for 2010 are August 19-22.
Portland should be the next week.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland 2010
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:32 PM


Just working out trips and schedules for next year, we certainly
missed our Portland fix this year!

Looks like we will fly into Chicago and drive up to Buckley, spend a
few days there then come back down again to Portland the following
week.

Like to do Baraboo, but I have a feeling that might be out of time for us.

Has anyone got the dates for all three shows handy?

Our youngest son is going to come with us this time, we found a bunch
of air miles that we didn't know we had, that will help a lot with the
flight costs!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:38:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:38:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
In-Reply-To: <EBB17406C1E6459AB9C50E2D3AC83CDE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>



 


From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Craig
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100




Hi Steve,
 
Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
He has a long hard road ahead of him.
Thank you.
 
Craig's dad
Alastair.

-----  		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 13 14:52:32 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:52:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880C06F2773A44508A041C9CEBF48265@PAUL>

Steve, what is this e-mail about? Is one of our engine family going through 
Surgery?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <slick at toltbbs.com>; "slick willy" <slick-request at toltbbs.com>; "The 
SELemail discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig


>
>
>
>
>
> From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
> To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Craig
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100
>
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig 
> tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him 
> when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
> He has a long hard road ahead of him.
> Thank you.
>
> Craig's dad
> Alastair.
>
> -----
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 14 03:29:12 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hello Everyone!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20091001.210944.14050.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<002e01ca4721$2994a220$7cbde660$@com.au>
	<1254921663.23057.13.camel@hebe.cctechnol.com>
	<aec76a326eac44a61d5a133b4b301c43.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<A4457788-D1D7-4EA8-A1C6-C9A6617C8C79@me.com>
	<003101ca4a2c$2f49c2a0$d0624b47@mikecomp>
	<3E06E78B-718C-4584-9997-6AFB6C9320B6@rustyiron.com>
	<61a37c7c10d99f910ae0fb3dfbe4e171.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160910110928o709a5ad0s38f9cc3e171317b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091014102859.E5C633B425D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>


>There's a picture somewhere (unpublished of course!) of a certain PA
>resident in his chair at Portland, looks like Zombie mode to me....
>:-))
>
>Peter


Hi Peter, I have a picture of the same guy; just looks like they 
picked him up in his chair and moved him to Baraboo!
Russ



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Wed Oct 14 03:43:27 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:43:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
Message-ID: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>

Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 04:52:10 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:52:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>

Steve I have been in touch with Alastair and sent a message to his Dad. I 
have asked for a mailing address and I will send him a card when it arrives. 
Thanks for letting me know.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <slick at toltbbs.com>; "slick willy" <slick-request at toltbbs.com>; "The 
SELemail discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig


>
>
>
>
>
> From: enginehouse at tiscali.co.uk
> To: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Craig
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0100
>
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thank you very much for your good wishes I shall pass your E/mail to Craig 
> tomorrow so he will know that his American friends are rooting for him 
> when he goes into surgery on Wednesday morning.
> He has a long hard road ahead of him.
> Thank you.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 14 10:49:24 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
In-Reply-To: <E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl>
	<E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
Message-ID: <87a3f4f93f676ae5fcddf72e305616c1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Paul,

Craig's mailing address is...

Craig Morrison,
Ward 47,
Aberdeen Royal Infirmary,
Foresterhill Road,
Aberdeen, Scotland.
AB9 2ZB

His dad said that the worst part about being in the hospital was that all of Craig's
nurses were on the FAR side of 40 and all were sturdy lasses built along the lines
of a main battle tank.  And nary a wee dram available to improve the view.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 14, 2009 7:52 am, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Steve I have been in touch with Alastair and sent a message to his Dad. I
> have asked for a mailing address and I will send him a card when it arrives.





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 11:36:05 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:36:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FW: Craig
References: <COL112-W560ACBC92A679FFD8E884D95C80@phx.gbl><COL112-W47FCC1465749B26D927A495C70@phx.gbl><E3A3193F255F4C4EA118D6E560AFCC90@PAUL>
	<87a3f4f93f676ae5fcddf72e305616c1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4FBBBE087527463CA6300048B8C9DA4A@PAUL>

Thanks Arnie, his son had just sent it to me. I am getting a card to send to 
him. I appreciate you sending the me information as I may not have had it.

Take care Arnie, good to hear from my old friend,

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: Craig


> Paul,
>
> Craig's mailing address is...
>
> Craig Morrison,
> Ward 47,
> Aberdeen Royal Infirmary,
> Foresterhill Road,
> Aberdeen, Scotland.
> AB9 2ZB
>
> His dad said that the worst part about being in the hospital was that all 
> of Craig's
> nurses were on the FAR side of 40 and all were sturdy lasses built along 
> the lines
> of a main battle tank.  And nary a wee dram available to improve the view.
>
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 03:27:50 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:27:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
In-Reply-To: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who 
may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other 
ozzies can chip in here?
Russ

At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel 
>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
>
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things
>Perth
>WA
>Australia
>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>V.C.C. of WA. member
>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 03:32:47 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know 
her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just 
around the corner from him.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists 


Russell



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Oct 15 04:45:19 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:45:19 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <49465.124.180.55.84.1255607119.squirrel@webmail.exetel.com.au>

Hi all
I am off line for a week, moving house. everything will stay the same
accept for my address. More when I come back

Peter, Oz



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Thu Oct 15 05:13:06 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:13:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>

Thanks russel, your the only one to reply so far

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines


> Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who 
> may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other 
> ozzies can chip in here?
> Russ
> 
> At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
>>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel 
>>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
>>
>>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>>Collectors of old things
>>Perth
>>WA
>>Australia
>>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>>V.C.C. of WA. member
>>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 06:00:40 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:00:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0910150600u3edb6b39x1f316f808ab7c7f4@mail.gmail.com>

Russell:

She's pretty. We can't ask for more than that; some people are specialists.

Paul in California - from the OLD Public Schools

PS to Americans: Maybe she can be the poster girl for school reform.


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Oct 15 08:05:05 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:05:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>

Just put on your kangaroo suit, mate, and give the poor girl a hug.

Rob



On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> around the corner from him.
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 14:46:22 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:46:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
In-Reply-To: <60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015102737.4F58730C00D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
	<60CB8D7A67BD4236A541C7EED28E683E@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20091015214607.DB9E819865A@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

I actually think it was discussed on the tomm forum, you could drop 
by there and ask again??
Russ

At 11:13 PM 15/10/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks russel, your the only one to reply so far
>
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things
>Perth
>WA
>Australia
>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>V.C.C. of WA. member
>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] kelly&lewis engines
>
>
> > Kevin I have a feeling there is some one in or around Sale area who
> > may have that info?? I'll keep thinking on it, maybe some other
> > ozzies can chip in here?
> > Russ
> >
> > At 09:43 PM 14/10/2009, you wrote:
> >>Can some one help with production dates for Kelly & Lewis diesel
> >>engines VD  type s/n 12000 & 13071
> >>
> >>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
> >>Collectors of old things
> >>Perth
> >>WA
> >>Australia
> >>Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
> >>V.C.C. of WA. member
> >>k_armstrong at arach.net.au
> >>www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 15 14:47:14 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:47:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
	<4B9D5CEA-A7FC-4DA9-8004-DB24014EB7BB@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20091015214700.1056E3B440E@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>


I recon she could do with more than a hug


At 02:05 AM 16/10/2009, you wrote:
>Just put on your kangaroo suit, mate, and give the poor girl a hug.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>
> > Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> > her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> > around the corner from him.
> > 
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 15 18:06:57 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:06:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <0DCF2B0433084290A6CEC657CFA269C5@armstrong>
	<20091015103234.51844304557@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <f50a55476dfea550f766c4fa5dcc4183.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

A little known fact about that very cute blond bimbo...  She's such an airhead she
has to wear diver's lead boots so she doesn't float away.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, October 15, 2009 6:32 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Just wondering who little sister this is?? Surely someone would know
> her! Maybe Rob Skinner can tell us more, she obviously live just
> around the corner from him.
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/875913/why-no-kangaroos-at-airports-tourists




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 18:20:21 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:20:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Any relation to you guys!
In-Reply-To: <f50a55476dfea550f766c4fa5dcc4183.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20091015212021.KH5L9.6871020.root@mp16>


No kangaroos at the airport, that's like the people that expect to see alligators in my back yard in South Louisiana. I've lived on this bayou fo 20 years and have only seen one here.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Fri Oct 16 02:57:48 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:57:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] K & L engines
Message-ID: <351D959C06804FD3BC3B607F3C591126@shed>

    Kevin and  Russell, was the man with the K & L register at Traralgon, Mr Clark Mayze?
If so, I spoke to him a couple of years back.He was long distance trucking, and way way behind answering questions about the K & L records.  That situation may have changed now.
Good luck with the search
Teddy


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 12:30:49 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:30:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
Message-ID: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>

Hi

Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father, 
with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying 
the same thing

Dolly

********
Hi Folks,
 
Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job 
for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional 
jig saw.
 
Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now 
confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself, 
he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are 
thinking of him.
 
Will keep you posted from time to time.
 
Alastair

******

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Fri Oct 16 12:58:47 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:58:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>

I must have missed it but what happened to him? Doug

Jim French wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father, 
> with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying 
> the same thing
>
> Dolly
>
> ********
> Hi Folks,
>  
> Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job 
> for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional 
> jig saw.
>  
> Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now 
> confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself, 
> he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are 
> thinking of him.
>  
> Will keep you posted from time to time.
>  
> Alastair
>
> ******
>
>   


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 16 13:37:48 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>
References: <4AD8C9E9.4070700@insulate.co.uk> <4AD8D077.2030206@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <292ef3ca4585041a0626fff5c70d5c74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Doug,  Craig fell off a ladder at work (~15 or 20 feet).  Shattered his pelvis and
badly damaged one femur.  Arnie

On Fri, October 16, 2009 3:58 pm, Doug Tallman wrote:
> I must have missed it but what happened to him? Doug
>
> Jim French wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just wanted to pass on an email from Alastair, Craig Morrison's father,
>> with the latest news to save him having to write lots of emails saying
>> the same thing
>>
>> Dolly
>>
>> ********
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Thanks for your query about Craig, he had his surgery it was quite a job
>> for the surgeons as the senior said it was a bit like a 3 dimensional
>> jig saw.
>>
>> Craig is in a bit of pain but that is being controlled he is now
>> confined to bed for some eight weeks until his pelvis rebuilds itself,
>> he is reasonably cheerful in the knowledge that his engine friends are
>> thinking of him.
>>
>> Will keep you posted from time to time.
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> ******
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rotigel at me.com  Fri Oct 16 21:37:21 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:37:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <A46248DE-B2A8-46AA-8A76-C9684E505BCF@me.com>

Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an  
hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his  
check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS!
	Dave


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 16 21:22:44 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:22:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <2590162.1255753364844.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yes Dave you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any problems

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
>
>Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an  
>hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his  
>check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS!
>	Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim Christoff


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 17 02:54:33 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:54:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <A46248DE-B2A8-46AA-8A76-C9684E505BCF@me.com>
Message-ID: <101720090954.690.4AD9945900098473000002B2223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hey Dave when I was still in business and concerned over a man's check I would call his bank directly and ask them before closing the deal.  Most banks will cooperate.
Good luck!
Curt
-------------- Original message from David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>: -------------- 


> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from Dallas TX is an 
> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I have faith that his 
> check will be good when he gives it to me tomorrow? THANKS! 
> Dave 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Oct 17 04:41:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:41:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
Message-ID: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>

Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to  worry 
about. 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:

Yes Dave  you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any  problems

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: David  Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>To:  The SEL email discussion list  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Mike  Shelby?????
>
>Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from  Dallas TX is an  
>hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I  have faith that his  
>check will be good when he gives it to me  tomorrow? THANKS!
>     Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing  list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Tim  Christoff
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing  list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 16:27:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:27:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>
References: <d0b.59ef521e.380b075b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9689A5F9-D502-4A77-8BE0-E24E3B37294A@me.com>

Thanks Tim and Kevin, The loading went well and the engine is on it's  
way to it's new home!
	Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:41 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:

> Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to  worry
> about.
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Yes Dave  you can.  I have delt with him and have not had any   
> problems
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David  Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>> To:  The SEL email discussion list  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Mike  Shelby?????
>>
>> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from  Dallas TX is an
>> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I  have faith that his
>> check will be good when he gives it to me  tomorrow? THANKS!
>>    Dave
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>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 16:45:34 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:45:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
Message-ID: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>

Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins  
telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!  
Thanks!
	Dave


From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Sat Oct 17 16:34:35 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:34:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
Message-ID: <9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>

740-504-7021 is what I have.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????

Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins  
telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!  
Thanks!
	Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Oct 17 17:08:26 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:08:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
	<9A9F1E6FEE4E4794A5BE048B1F5BA032@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <A22D9426-488F-4CEC-9895-8017819F256A@me.com>

THANKS Wayne. That's the one I needed!!!!!!!!!
	Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Wayne Thackery wrote:

> 740-504-7021 is what I have.
>
> Wayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David  
> Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
>
> Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins
> telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!
> Thanks!
> 	Dave
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 17 17:19:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dave Hawlkins??????
In-Reply-To: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
References: <E1042C47-B188-406F-8727-9677C53D9392@me.com>
Message-ID: <f732c54a1c7ff9fe659cab583d86b1df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

http://www.davehawkins.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hawkins

http://names.whitepages.com/Ohio/David/Hawkins#

Hope that helps.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, October 17, 2009 7:45 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hi All, I need help again (still??) I'm in need of Dave Hawlkins
> telephone number. Dave lived in OH. Any help will be appreciated!





From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 18 07:24:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Update on Craig
In-Reply-To: <292ef3ca4585041a0626fff5c70d5c74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECHIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie & Group:

Thanks for letting us know what happened.  Please make sure Craig and his family are sent my best wishes and the strong admonishment to stay away from tall ladders (and, by the way, sharp pointy objects) in the future!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 03:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Update on Craig
> 
> 
> Doug,  Craig fell off a ladder at work (~15 or 20 
> feet).  Shattered his pelvis and
> badly damaged one femur.  Arnie




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 13:10:39 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week--- Now old Messages
In-Reply-To: <49465.124.180.55.84.1255607119.squirrel@webmail.exetel.com.au>
Message-ID: <771556.56037.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a copy of the email I am thinking about???
It seems like it was one of our Australian members was moving.
He was a collector of old radios and had something like three shipping container/sheds full of them.? The company that he hired to move them sent too small of a truck and wound up busting the truck.
?
It was quite a story.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, plowe at exemail.com.au <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:


From: plowe at exemail.com.au <plowe at exemail.com.au>
Subject: [SEL] Peter Lowe off line for a week
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:45 AM


Hi all
I am off line for a week, moving house. everything will stay the same
accept for my address. More when I come back

Peter, Oz

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 13:12:35 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
In-Reply-To: <9689A5F9-D502-4A77-8BE0-E24E3B37294A@me.com>
Message-ID: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What engine did you load, Dave?

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mike Shelby?????
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:27 PM


Thanks Tim and Kevin, The loading went well and the engine is on it's? 
way to it's new home!
??? Dave

On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:41 AM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote:

> Dave I know Mike and I can promise you that you have nothing to? worry
> about.
> Kevin K
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2009 9:30:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Yes Dave? you can.? I have delt with him and have not had any???
> problems
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David? Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 AM
>> To:? The SEL email discussion list? <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Mike? Shelby?????
>>
>> Can anyone in the LIST tell me if Mike Shelby, from? Dallas TX is an
>> hohest engine man? By that what I meam is can I? have faith that his
>> check will be good when he gives it to me? tomorrow? THANKS!
>>? ? Dave
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Tim? Christoff
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 14:11:21 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:11:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Huisman Auctions - Leaders in the Auction Field
Message-ID: <cc1.6214cc0d.380cde79@aol.com>

Hi,
Here is an auction of some interesting iron.  It will be held  in Fresno, 
California on 10/31/09.
Here is the Huisman Auctions web site -  
_http://huismanauction.com/auction/38784_EngineAuction.asp_ 
(http://huismanauction.com/auction/38784_EngineAuction.asp) 
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 03:53:36 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
Message-ID: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND MAGNET CHARGING.? I'LL START BY SAYING THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WORKED IN A SMALL-ENGINE REPAIR SHOP.? TO REASSEMBLE THESE? AIR-COOLED?ENGINES ( BRIGGS, CLINTONS, TECUMSEHS, ETC ) THE VALVES WERE SET TO SIMULTANEOUSLY?CLOSE( EX. ) AND OPEN (IN.) ?AT TOP DEAD CENTER.? THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON DIAGRAMS ATTACHED TO LARGER JAPANESE ENGINES.? WHY THE DIFFERENCE?
?? I'M NOW DOING A 7HP KUBOTA THAT HAS BEEN INACTIVE FOR MANY DECADES.??THUS FAR, I HAVE MATED THE FACTORY TIMING MARKS ON CRANK GEAR AND CAM GEAR. ?NOT HAVING PRECISE TOOLS FOR MEASURING ANGLES, MY RULE OF THUMB ( ACTUALLY THE ANGLE BETWEEN FOREFINGER AND MIDDLE FINGER WHEN FULLY EXTENDED) IS TO HAVE EXHAUST VALVE START TO OPEN BEFORE BOTTOM DEAD CENTER AT ABOUT THE ABOVE ANGLE.? I CAN FINE-TUNE THIS BY ADJUSTING PUSH-ROD LENGTH.? VALVE CLOSURE IS DETERMINED BY CAM ACTION.
?? IF I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO FAR, PLEASE TELL ME SUITABLE PARAMETERS FOR INTAKE SETTINGS.? THIS ENGINE WILL NOT BE CALLED UPON TO DELIVER WORK;? MUSIC WILL BE ITS PRINCIPAL OUTPUT.? IT WILL NOT BE?DELIBERATELY SLOW-TIMED TO HAVE COOLING WATER BOILING VIGOROUSLY -- AS SOME OF MY JAPANESE MATES LIKE TO DO.? GREAT FOR HARD BOILING EGGS.
??? CORRECT ME IF I ERR ON THE FOLLOWING:??I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT TO RE-MAGNETIZE A PERMANENT MAGNET A SATURATED FIELD IS REQUIRED -- LOTS OF AMPERE-TURNS, MANY, MANY?GAUSS.? I SEE SOME MAGNET CHARGERS ADVERTISED SHOWING A SMALL, MICKEY MOUSE COIL AND A PUNY 6v. BATTERY.? THIS SUGGESTS THAT A FEW GAUSS, PERHAPS OVER A LONGER TIME, WILL DO THE TRICK.? COMMENTS PLEASE.
I HAVE HEARD OLD TIMERS STATE THE NEED FOR VIBRATION DURING THE PROCESS.? THE YOUNGER GUYS?TEND TO?SCOFF.? WHAT ARE THE FACTS?? ANY 
Ph. D.s OR E. E.s OUT THERE?
( Not the Piled higher and Deeper kind.)? BILL
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp 


      

From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 05:24:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:24:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
Message-ID: <c18.65eca462.380db491@aol.com>

Bill,
 
Check out this.
 
_http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Equipment/WICO-MAGNETO-CYCLE-OF-OPERATIO
N-TYPE-EK.aspx_ 
(http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Equipment/WICO-MAGNETO-CYCLE-OF-OPERATION-TYPE-EK.aspx) 
 
  On the left hand column, there are several articles on  
building/charging/etc.  Also within the articles are more sites for  chargers.  Personal 
opinion is the better the charger (not necessarily the  most expensive), the 
better the charge!
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 05:29:33 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:29:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Huisman Auctions - Leaders in the Auction Field
Message-ID: <d3f.4c2ed59c.380db5ad@aol.com>

Looks like he had some nice stuff.  Going to be a good sale!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 19 07:15:00 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1650.165.206.180.130.1255961700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

As a degreed mechanic who has held various certifications on small engine
repair and was an authorized warranty repair person for various brands
back in the 70s - and as a professional auto mechanic - it's pretty easy
to comment on the valve issue.
Valve timing is a science - just ask those who have cams custom ground for
specific needs for performance, etc. There are grinds for performance in
general, for top end performance, and for low-end torque or grunt. There
are grinds for more MPG as well.
Valve timing will vary from engine to engine, maker to maker. You need to
follow the *Manufacturer's recommendations* for the most part, unless you
know what you are doing. Otherwise the side effects can be:
Lower dynamic compression - or even higher dynamic compression (NOT
talking about "static compression)
or
You can shift the power band up or down depending on which way you shift
the valve opening and closing, valve overlap, etc.
You can impact idle - make it so it won't idle worth a crap, or have a
"rough idle".
There's opening angle, closing angle, lobe separation, lift, ramp
acceleration, and more......

Do not second guess them unless you know what the heck you are doing.
Yeah, this applies to antiques as well as modern Honda engines running at
10,000 RPM.

for magnets.....
Vibrations do assist in the "lining up" of the poles on the molecular
structure while charging.
You do need to get as strong a field as possible, a weak charger means the
magnets won't reach their full potential no matter how hard you bang on
them or how long or many times you charge them.
More winds, more power through the windings means more magnetic strength.
This translates into better charged magnets. Yes, a weak lame charger can
charge a dead magnet so it may work, but it won't be good.
Weak magnets mean weak spark.
There's a science to this..... and a lot of very good web sites on this
issue - some of the best ones are AIRCRAFT related...... (wonder why they
are so concerned about good magnet strength?? I don't get that....)
Sort of like auto ignition coils - more power through the windings longer
means the lines of force are stronger, and when the collapse, you get more
output. So you need the strongest magnets you can get - this means you
need a strong charger.

The younger guys are "shade-treers" and didn't pay attention in their
science classes, IMO.

> HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND
> MAGNET CHARGING.? I'LL START BY SAYING THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WORKED IN A
> SMALL-ENGINE REPAIR SHOP.? TO REASSEMBLE THESE? AIR-COOLED?ENGINES (
> BRIGGS, CLINTONS, TECUMSEHS, ETC ) THE VALVES WERE SET TO
> SIMULTANEOUSLY?CLOSE( EX. ) AND OPEN (IN.) ?AT TOP DEAD CENTER.? THIS IS
> NOT WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON DIAGRAMS ATTACHED TO LARGER JAPANESE ENGINES.? WHY
> THE DIFFERENCE?
> ?? I'M NOW DOING A 7HP KUBOTA THAT HAS BEEN INACTIVE FOR MANY
> DECADES.??THUS FAR, I HAVE MATED THE FACTORY TIMING MARKS ON CRANK GEAR
> AND CAM GEAR. ?NOT HAVING PRECISE TOOLS FOR MEASURING ANGLES, MY RULE OF
> THUMB ( ACTUALLY THE ANGLE BETWEEN FOREFINGER AND MIDDLE FINGER WHEN FULLY
> EXTENDED) IS TO HAVE EXHAUST VALVE START TO OPEN BEFORE BOTTOM DEAD CENTER
> AT ABOUT THE ABOVE ANGLE.? I CAN FINE-TUNE THIS BY ADJUSTING PUSH-ROD
> LENGTH.? VALVE CLOSURE IS DETERMINED BY CAM ACTION.
> ?? IF I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO FAR, PLEASE TELL ME SUITABLE PARAMETERS
> FOR INTAKE SETTINGS.? THIS ENGINE WILL NOT BE CALLED UPON TO DELIVER
> WORK;? MUSIC WILL BE ITS PRINCIPAL OUTPUT.? IT WILL NOT BE?DELIBERATELY
> SLOW-TIMED TO HAVE COOLING WATER BOILING VIGOROUSLY -- AS SOME OF MY
> JAPANESE MATES LIKE TO DO.? GREAT FOR HARD BOILING EGGS.
> ??? CORRECT ME IF I ERR ON THE FOLLOWING:??I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT TO
> RE-MAGNETIZE A PERMANENT MAGNET A SATURATED FIELD IS REQUIRED -- LOTS OF
> AMPERE-TURNS, MANY, MANY?GAUSS.? I SEE SOME MAGNET CHARGERS ADVERTISED
> SHOWING A SMALL, MICKEY MOUSE COIL AND A PUNY 6v. BATTERY.? THIS SUGGESTS
> THAT A FEW GAUSS, PERHAPS OVER A LONGER TIME, WILL DO THE TRICK.? COMMENTS
> PLEASE.
> I HAVE HEARD OLD TIMERS STATE THE NEED FOR VIBRATION DURING THE PROCESS.?
> THE YOUNGER GUYS?TEND TO?SCOFF.? WHAT ARE THE FACTS?? ANY
> Ph. D.s OR E. E.s OUT THERE?
> ( Not the Piled higher and Deeper kind.)? BILL
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 19 08:25:40 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:25:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <932079.23798.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill:

First, just a little reminder to not use all capital letters.  No biggie but it's too much like shouting and hurts our eyes.

Anyway, per the valve timing, I assume you are talking about a low speed flywheel engine with atmospheric ("automatic" or "suction") intake valve.  If that's the case, the exhaust should open around 40 degrees before bottom dead center and close just a little past top dead center.  I find that most engines like to have the exhaust just closed just a few degrees past TDC.  A little fiddling with that may optomize performance a little.

As far as boiling of a hopper cooled engine is concerned, if it is throttle governed, it will eventually come to a boil even at no load, no matter how the ignition is timed.  The heat is dissipated via the boiling process, not by radiation so boiling is the normal running temperature.  If the engine is hit and miss and is running right and not pulling a load, it may never reach boiling.

As far as magnet charging is concerned, you need a very strong field in order to properly charge any truly magnetic material.  That means LOTS of ampere-turns.  The charging field needs to be several times stronger than the magnetized strength of the material being charged to overcome hysteresis in the individual poles and turn them far enough in the same direction that they stay there.  Having said that, I've just exhausted my knowledge of magnet charging and defer to the superior knowledge of others.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 05:54 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
> 
> 
> HI, GUYS?? I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEED BACK ON TWO 
> TOPICS, VALVE TIMING AND MAGNET CHARGING.?

.......................snip......................................

? BILL
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 19 08:46:44 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] TWO THREADS
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1899.165.206.180.130.1255967204.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Gee, that knowledge looks good from here!


> Bill:
>
> First, just a little reminder to not use all capital letters.  No biggie
> but it's too much like shouting and hurts our eyes.
>
> Anyway, per the valve timing, I assume you are talking about a low speed
> flywheel engine with atmospheric ("automatic" or "suction") intake valve.
> If that's the case, the exhaust should open around 40 degrees before
> bottom dead center and close just a little past top dead center.  I find
> that most engines like to have the exhaust just closed just a few degrees
> past TDC.  A little fiddling with that may optomize performance a little.
>
> As far as boiling of a hopper cooled engine is concerned, if it is
> throttle governed, it will eventually come to a boil even at no load, no
> matter how the ignition is timed.  The heat is dissipated via the boiling
> process, not by radiation so boiling is the normal running temperature.
> If the engine is hit and miss and is running right and not pulling a load,
> it may never reach boiling.
>
> As far as magnet charging is concerned, you need a very strong field in
> order to properly charge any truly magnetic material.  That means LOTS of
> ampere-turns.  The charging field needs to be several times stronger than
> the magnetized strength of the material being charged to overcome
> hysteresis in the individual poles and turn them far enough in the same
> direction that they stay there.  Having said that, I've just exhausted my
> knowledge of magnet charging and defer to the superior knowledge of
> others.   :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:22:23 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:22:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>


back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 		 	   		  
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 11:45:30 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:45:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <cd4.58da3fc8.380e0dca@aol.com>

Luke,
 
Very tragic!  I once worked on a barn fire engine all winter, bolt by  
bolt.  When I finally got the piston out, the cylinder was cracked 360  degrees 
on one end.  A 4 hp Famous.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Oct 19 11:50:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:50:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <97DEA5E9AABF418C8D5CE52D6FADACCC@tommyd0x52gkco>

Ouch Luke.  I remember you posting info about a fire.  Looks like the
JD's took the worst hit.  I assume the barn had an upper and lower floor
with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
didn't creal over or the wheels warp.  If the engines were on the ground
floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn.  Just curious, do
they know a cause?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:22 PM
To: Engine List
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that
burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting
after the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay
right now. That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original
size, they are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


 		 	   		  
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 12:04:17 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:04:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire
Message-ID: <20091019190415.E0C2F302870@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

That 's gut wrenching. It makes a tornado look good! Hope fully no one saw
it and sprayed water on it.. Otherwise the stuff is worth $ ,04 a LB.. My
condolences. Jimmy



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 12:15:11 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <857777.65157.qm@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Luke,
Those photos really send a chill down my spine. it looks like that was a pretty nice collection before the fire. I notice one crawler in there, is is a BO Lindemann? Someone will want that one for parts, they are a neat little rig. I have a friend who has one, I look like a bear riding a tricycle when I get on it.....
I once got a couple of 1-1/2 hp M's given to me that had been through a fire. The oilers were melted, the EK's were toast (literally) and all of the springs were shot. The solder joints on the fuel tanks were melted apart. I spent a winter on them and a bundle on parts, but I was amazed at how easy they came apart. Every stud in the block came right out but every time you removed a fastener, you got a nasty burnt smell.
I have heard horror stories about engines that had been in a fire, and I think it is a real "pig in a poke" when you buy an engine in a fire. 
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
> 
> back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends
> barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone
> else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there
> are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what
> prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they
> are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> 
>  ???
> ????????
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 19 12:17:42 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:17:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire
References: <20091019190415.E0C2F302870@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <19E1A91E2A2E41D9B2FF9FCBA270E9A9@D6R3D961>

well lets see one million pounds times .04 is still $40,000 that will buy 
some beans
there is alot of iron there
looks like a storage out building away from the house. most likely no power. 
makes you wonder how it started??


Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
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website, scrapologist.com
Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen)
Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barn fire


> That 's gut wrenching. It makes a tornado look good! Hope fully no one saw
> it and sprayed water on it.. Otherwise the stuff is worth $ ,04 a LB.. My
> condolences. Jimmy
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 13:28:46 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:28:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <ce9.62bbea05.380e25fe@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/19/2009 1:31:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG



Luke---
 thanks for the good pics--  makes your stomach turn  flip-flops---
  Stan Zettner
 Pleasanton, Tx


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 16:46:11 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:46:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AAFEF01EBE0A4DCC8BA3621A8971B8CF@PAUL>

Thanks Luke for the pictures. I have been seeing some of these show up on 
Harry's Classifieds.

I had to sell all of my engines to pay bills and taxes and to pay to raise 
these grandkids but now I am trying to find a fixer upper I can afford so I 
will have something to work on during this Winter which will allow me to 
still be part of my SEL family. All I have left to work with is some of my 
Social Security and I was looking at these but I thought his prices were a 
little high and then I have never worked on a burned engine, I know the 
bearings would all be melted out of them and I think with my limited ability 
I better pass.

It sure is a shame to see someone have to loose their old iron in a fire and 
I feel for him. Thanks for the pictures, they sure are a reminder what can 
happen unexpectantly.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


>
> back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends barn that burnt 
> down. Here are some pictures that someone else took while visiting after 
> the fire. It appears there are a few of these engines on ebay right now. 
> That's what prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they are 
> a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
>
> 



From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 17:02:40 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:02:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c0c.6b6d82e3.380e5820@aol.com>

Hi there Paul-=----
  Stan here in Pleasanton, Tx--  just  wondering---   would you happen to 
be any kin to a Hugh Maples,   in Seguin , Texas???   He owned an electric 
company years  ago---retired now!
    Gosh I know trhe feeling about SS---it's my  main go also---   hope I 
don't have to sell my 8hp Stover,  been  trying to get it finished for 4 
years!  Just about ready to start it  up!  ha--  take care now---
  Stan


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 19 17:18:44 2009
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:18:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <61E85925E5614183B8610320322C1197@bd32d875216e74>

After seeing the damage done by the fire I am looking at Insurance for or 
Engines, has anyone in Australia a contact for comprehensive cover for 
Engine Collectors?
Brian.
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 17:42:27 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:42:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c0c.6b6d82e3.380e5820@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DEB8AC4084E14E389EE39B699C6001F8@PAUL>

Hello Stan,

No relation to Hugh, at least none I know of.

I had to sell my pride and joy which was my 1905 5-1/2 HP Model C Vertical 
Stover. I had spent several years restoring it and had it mechanically 
restored and in primer and then had to sell it, it broke my heart. My good 
friend, Steve Royster, bought it and has been showing it at some of the 
engine shows and he sends me pictures of Old Red as I called the engine.

The wife and I have been raising our two grandson for the last 10 years with 
no help from anyone and then I got laid off from my job of 35 years and 
ended up having to sell all of my engines to support the family. Sort of the 
same fix most folks are in these days.

Old engines are my love and I am trying to find an old fixer upper I can 
afford just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me from 
being so depressed.

You hang on to that Stover and I would love to see some pictures of your 8 
HP Stover.

Thanks for writing,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Hi there Paul-=----




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 03:57:32 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:57:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <97DEA5E9AABF418C8D5CE52D6FADACCC@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>


Hi Tommy,

 

It was lightning. Here is the article that was written right after the fire. 

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html

 

You are correct about the JD's being on the upper floor and engines down below. You can still see that in the link above.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

==========================
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> 
> Ouch Luke. I remember you posting info about a fire. Looks like the
> JD's took the worst hit. I assume the barn had an upper and lower floor
> with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
> The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
> didn't creal over or the wheels warp. If the engines were on the ground
> floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
> gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn. Just curious, do
> they know a cause?
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 		 	   		  
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 04:01:13 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:01:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <857777.65157.qm@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT118-W38F463328ECAF42A499947C8C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W2692B99CB1EE97EBAEEDDCC8C00@phx.gbl>


Hi Joe,

 

Yep, it is a Lindemann that was burnt up. I don't believe that one was all done up like the one in the background of the photos I sent. Fortunately he had several other out buildings with goodies in them along with his garage. He didn't lose everything.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


============================

 
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:15:11 -0700
> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> Hi Luke,
> Those photos really send a chill down my spine. it looks like that was a pretty nice collection before the fire. I notice one crawler in there, is is a BO Lindemann? Someone will want that one for parts, they are a neat little rig. I have a friend who has one, I look like a bear riding a tricycle when I get on it.....
> I once got a couple of 1-1/2 hp M's given to me that had been through a fire. The oilers were melted, the EK's were toast (literally) and all of the springs were shot. The solder joints on the fuel tanks were melted apart. I spent a winter on them and a bundle on parts, but I was amazed at how easy they came apart. Every stud in the block came right out but every time you removed a fastener, you got a nasty burnt smell.
> I have heard horror stories about engines that had been in a fire, and I think it is a real "pig in a poke" when you buy an engine in a fire. 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> > To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
> > 
> > back just before Portland I sent a message about a friends
> > barn that burnt down. Here are some pictures that someone
> > else took while visiting after the fire. It appears there
> > are a few of these engines on ebay right now. That's what
> > prompted me to post these. I left them original size, they
> > are a bit large, approx .75 meg each.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1180.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1181.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1186.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1187.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1189.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1193.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1196.JPG
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp1/PICT1197.JPG
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > 
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > 
> > USA 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> >         
> >           
> >   
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Oct 20 05:10:09 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:10:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5D93DB36EE641F1A87AABD021395823@tommyd0x52gkco>

Thanks Luke.  That photo tells a lot.  You can see the flywheels in the
flames.  I once saw lightning strike a large tree.  Immediately the
entire tree was engulfed in flames and it looked as if every branch was
on fire.  I doubt the engines and tractors could have been saved if the
Fire Dept. had been located next door to the barn.

Tommy Turner




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:58 AM
To: Engine List
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


Hi Tommy,

 

It was lightning. Here is the article that was written right after the
fire. 

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strik
es_suspected_in.html

 

You are correct about the JD's being on the upper floor and engines down
below. You can still see that in the link above.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

==========================
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> 
> Ouch Luke. I remember you posting info about a fire. Looks like the
> JD's took the worst hit. I assume the barn had an upper and lower
floor
> with the JD's being on the upper floor and the engines on the bottom.
> The engines don't look that bad and I'm surprised the sway back trucks
> didn't creal over or the wheels warp. If the engines were on the
ground
> floor the bulk of the heat would have went up and they may not have
> gotten as hot as the balance of stuff in the barn. Just curious, do
> they know a cause?
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 		 	   		  
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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 05:17:43 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:17:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c9e.563f13f4.380f0467@aol.com>

Hi again Paul---
   Gee thanks for the RE----
      Yes, we gonna' try to hang on  to what we have---  I'm not even going 
to think about getting  another---just cannot afford it!  I will get some 
pics gathered up and send  them when I get a chance!   They are also my 
loving fun stuff as I  grew up with them---(and Model-A Fords too)---LOL!
  take care and will holler soon---gee thanks  again!
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton,  Tx---                     I'm an old '40 model---ha haaa


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 05:19:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me 
from 
being  so depressed.



also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds great---at 
least you know where it is at!
 Stan


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 20 08:57:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:57:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W343CAC205DCC9D79AFB61DC8C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEDGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

What with the heat of the fire and the fire hoses, it's my guess that most of those engines will end up being just the occasional repair part for another.

Sad to see.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Luke
> Tonneberger
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 05:58 AM
> To: Engine List
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures




From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct 20 12:30:03 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:30:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Hi,
Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
won't self prime anymore.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Oct 20 12:50:19 2009
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:50:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4ADE147B.8080509@coastalnet.com>

Jack Welton  Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com


Ken



curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Oct 20 12:58:22 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:58:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W3683762C7D96B3769DD7CDB4C00@phx.gbl>


Curt;

 

Lehmans has all those in various sizes, google lehmans

or see if this works

 

www.lehmans.com

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:30:03 -0600
> From: curt at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
> 
> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
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From jacob.warner at pdahome.com  Tue Oct 20 13:01:06 2009
From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:01:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <72583e410910201301k57c26976l4e4bd2f8c149f147@mail.gmail.com>

Jack's Number is 330-714-1376
I recently bought some leather cups and pump parts from him. Super nice guy!
-Jacob

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM, <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
> won't self prime anymore.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 13:29:08 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:29:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>

You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and is 
doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. I 
am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me
> from
> being  so depressed.
>
>
>
> also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds 
> great---at
> least you know where it is at!
> Stan
> _______________________________________________




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 13:30:13 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:30:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c9e.563f13f4.380f0467@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3EB6688CDFDB43DC967A256660443AB0@PAUL>

Thanks Stan I will be anxiously awaiting to see the pictures.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Hi again Paul---
>   Gee thanks for the RE----
>      Yes, we gonna' try to hang on  to what we have---  I'm not even going
> to think about getting  another---just cannot afford it!  I will get some
> pics gathered up and send  them when I get a chance!   They are also my
> loving fun stuff as I  grew up with them---(and Model-A Fords too)---LOL!
>  take care and will holler soon---gee thanks  again!
> Stan Zettner
> Pleasanton,  Tx---                     I'm an old '40 model---ha haaa
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Oct 20 13:50:51 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:50:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and is 
doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. I 
am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.

Paul



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 14:23:11 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:23:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> 




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 14:47:49 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:47:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20091020214747.BDA4C65B49D@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Paul, please add me to the picture list. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> 


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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Oct 20 15:01:53 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:01:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<47C4488385D64F2B90910E3A5479FE17@PAUL>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DCC3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Paul,

Send me the pictures so I can see your engine.  Sounds like a real nice one. 

Although I'd still be surprised if it wasn't under a blue tarp when not at a show ;-)

I could have given it a good home too, plus none of my engines are under tarps :-)

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures

No George, Steve just sent me some pictures of it running at a very recent 
show he went to, he has taken it to three shows that I know of and probably 
some I do not.

Let me know if you want to see the pictures and I will send them to you. 
Steve is doing a fine job of taking care of Old Red (1905 Stover) and 
showing her off for me.

Paul


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 17:27:23 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:27:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <005701ca51e5$427e8930$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Go to Youtube and type in       vertical stover

There is your baby running in your shop!

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> is
> doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> I
> am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <gastzt at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:51:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> afford  just to have something to work on this Winter. It helps keep me
>> from
>> being  so depressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> also I would just love to see that old vertical  Stover---sounds
>> great---at
>> least you know where it is at!
>> Stan
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 17:31:01 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <007601ca51e5$c4739430$d0624b47@mikecomp>

NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> is
> doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> I
> am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 17:37:14 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<005701ca51e5$427e8930$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <51A79458D851494980A7462A7AA4974D@PAUL>

Yeah but it does not look as good as it does now after Steve gave it a face 
lift. I found the pictures Steve took at the recent show and have forwarded 
them to those who wanted to see it as it is today.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Go to Youtube and type in       vertical stover
>
> There is your baby running in your shop!
>
> Mike Royster
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
>
>> You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and
>> is
>> 




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 18:20:10 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:20:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
In-Reply-To: <007601ca51e5$c4739430$d0624b47@mikecomp>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>


It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this weekend! Steve
 
> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
> 
> MR
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> 
> 
> > Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> > You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and 
> > is
> > doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks can enjoy it. 
> > I
> > am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 20 18:50:34 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:50:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A7AE94390019490CA146ACFFD3915FE1@PAUL>

I cannot wait to see them Steve, you and Old Red have a big time at the 
show.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures



It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... 
and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this 
weekend! Steve

> From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
>
> NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
>
> 




From obise at moscow.com  Tue Oct 20 19:24:52 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:24:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh
Message-ID: <4923C2BAE17349A4B77EBBF499EC99F7@CathyComp>

I just received this from an acquaintance.  Is there anyone from Edinburgh,
or nearby, who might show a mighty fine fellow around the neighborhood?
Sean is a friend of mine who is one of the finest gentlemen I've ever known.
Here are some pictures of him in action:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/pic_spin.htm

 

If you have any travel tips for Sean, let me know and I'll put you in touch
with him.

 

Best regards, 

 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:16 PM
To: machineshop at morrisonandmarvin.com; Orrin Iseminger; Carl Carlsen
Subject: Edinburgh

 



Sean is tagging along with mother-in-law to a conference and needs some
places to visit and engine people to meet.  With your extensive web contacts
can you find him a contact?

I went to a engine club meeting close to there and there is a great ag
museum to the west as I remember.  I don't remember any names.

EngineShop (with dead backhoe)



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 20 19:29:04 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <9589073.1256092144568.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It won't take long before that crisp white tarp is covered with nice dark spotty oil marks.

Tim


>
>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this weekend! Steve


Tim Christoff


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 19:35:42 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:35:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <c99.56e9c018.380fcd7e@aol.com>

Gosh!  I really want to see that old engine too---one of  these days when 
we can get a whole tank of gas--LOL!    You guys  ARE fun!
 Stan


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 19:36:36 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:36:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <9589073.1256092144568.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601ca51f7$500642c0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I know Tim, it is soooooo embarassing for the family!

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> It won't take long before that crisp white tarp is covered with nice dark 
> spotty oil marks.
>
> Tim
>
>
>>
>>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this weekend...... 
>>and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of our show after this 
>>weekend! Steve
>
>
> Tim Christoff
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 21 00:20:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:20:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh
References: <4923C2BAE17349A4B77EBBF499EC99F7@CathyComp>
Message-ID: <002d01ca521f$082d22c0$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin B Iseminger" <obise at moscow.com>
To: <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh


>I just received this from an acquaintance.  Is there anyone from Edinburgh,
> or nearby, who might show a mighty fine fellow around the neighborhood?
> Sean is a friend of mine who is one of the finest gentlemen I've ever known.
> Here are some pictures of him in action:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/orrin/pic_spin.htm
> If you have any travel tips for Sean, let me know and I'll put you in touch
> with him.
> Best regards,  Orrin

Hi Orrin, Which Ediburgh are you requiring?
Our Scottish variety or one of the four that are in the USA.
If it is our Edinburgh I will try on the British list for you!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 04:08:37 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
In-Reply-To: <59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <102120091108.5899.4ADEEBB5000BE90C0000170B223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Curt,
I still have a good amount of NOS leather cups/washers.  What size do you need?
Curt Andree
-------------- Original message from curt at rustyiron.com: -------------- 


> Hi, 
> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow 
> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it 
> won't self prime anymore. 
> Thanks, 
> Curt Holland 
> Gastonia, NC 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 04:19:23 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:19:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] McDonald
In-Reply-To: <C6FD2494.2ED6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <C705396B.2CCA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

If anyone knows much about McDonalds please reply direct to Bill at the
address below.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


------ Forwarded Message
From: William Minehane <bill at minehane.com>


 ? I have recently been given the above engine but at this stage cannot find
out anything about it ? no numbers I have seen are like mine ,--1717C
--- most that I have read about have CD etc but nothing with the  ?C?.


I would at least like to know year of manufacture and HP.

Thanking you 

Bill Minehane




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 21 04:21:42 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:21:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Phone number?
References: <139324.94237.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com><59369.168.215.206.73.1256067003.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<102120091108.5899.4ADEEBB5000BE90C0000170B223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <84177BCF8B6840C7B46912F8B8B8ABE9@REGsServer>

I tried to contact you off list but my mail was refused.
(5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'210.50.76.235 blocked by 
ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=mso,dc=att,dc=net\nBlocked for abuse)
What sizes do you have please?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Phone number?


> Curt,
> I still have a good amount of NOS leather cups/washers.  What size do you 
> need?
> Curt Andree
> -------------- Original message from curt at rustyiron.com: -------------- 
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Anyone have the phone number for Jack Welton? He's the pump parts fellow
>> that has leather cup seals. Time to put new ones in our hand pump as it
>> won't self prime anymore.
>> Thanks,
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 05:09:23 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:09:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all 
the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the 
dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
Russ


At 12:20 PM 21/10/2009, you wrote:

>It's actually on my trailer ready for the Arden NC show this 
>weekend...... and under a crisp white tarp!  I'll send pictures of 
>our show after this weekend! Steve
>
> > From: mr at carolina.rr.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:31:01 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> > NO No No, camoflage!!!!!!!
> >
> > MR
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> >
> >
> > > Your engine is probably stuck under a blue tarp! ;-)
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29 PM
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
> > >
> > > You bet Stan and I know Steve is taking excellent care of the engine and
> > > is
> > > doing what I could not do and that is show it so other folks 
> can enjoy it.
> > > I
> > > am indebted to Steve for doing this for me.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Oct 21 05:19:02 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:19:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
Message-ID: <cae.519c6aa7.38105636@aol.com>

Paul--
  where abouts is Steve located at?   Be fun to  see that old engine 
someday--! thanks again--
 Stan


From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 05:50:54 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Valve adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1650.165.206.180.130.1255961700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <267122.35811.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill-san, Thank you ( and Elden, too?) ?for your prompt replies.? I was aware of some of the factors you mentioned about?cam design and valve timing,
???Perhaps the following info will be of interest to you.? This moderately old 8hp Kubota engine?has 6 in. bore, 8 in. stroke and flywheels of 2 3/4 in, width, 27 3/4 in. diameter so you can see it is no Pygmy.
? This engine will probably never again be called upon to do an honest day's work.??I?hope to have it start easily and run smoothly.? Valves set properly should help here but cam lobe design is fixed.? I hope to have different mufflers -- one producing a throaty roar, another a muted whisper and a third, the smoke ring blower.
??? Because "Manufacturer's recommendations" are not available,?I made this appeal to the SEL crew.?Thus far I have mated crank shaft gear and cam gear timing marks, which would be in keeping with mfg's design.? Next, using adjustment on exh. push rod, I set?the exh. valve to open about 30 degrees before bdc.? These are "eyeball" degrees, estimated degrees.? I know i could count gear teeth, do some arithmetic and get a closer estimate.? i also know this engine will never be expected to excell or compete in any of the categories you mentioned.?? My last option is ( I think ) to make whatever? adjustment?I can?by playing with intake push rod length.? Can you tell me what??optimum remaining setting?I seek?to achieve?these parameters:? Long engine life;? smooth engine running at lower speeds;? lower operating temperature under "no load" condition?
P.S.? I'm willing to start all over again should you come up with something better? -- no cam grinding, please.? Thanks,? Bill
?? 




      

From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 08:34:40 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Valve adjustments
In-Reply-To: <267122.35811.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEDOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bill:

I can get my Fairbanks-Morse ZC-52 engine (automatic intake valve) to idle at it's best by adjusting the exhaust valve lash to fine-tune it.  Adjusting the lash has a slight effect on the valve timing.  

That's after all the fuel mixer and ignition timing tweaks are done.

Ignition: Timed for just a tad after TDC for idle, changeable to about 20 degrees BTDC for 500 RPM.

Ignition device: Home-manufactured solid-state.

Intake valve spring strength: Stock spring, tweaked for best operation.

Mixer choke: Spring tension adjusted with needle valve for best operation at both low and high speeds.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William
> Young
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 07:51 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve adjustments
> 
.........................................snip.......................
> Can you 
> tell me what??optimum remaining setting?I seek?to 
> achieve?these parameters:? Long engine life;? 
> smooth engine running at lower speeds;? lower 
> operating temperature under "no load" condition?
> P.S.? I'm willing to start all over again should 
> you come up with something better? -- no cam 
> grinding, please.? Thanks,? Bill




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 07:56:27 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2E96DA70@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W2014A8ED79EEED1FA2B63E95BF0@phx.gbl>
	<20091021120857.5B5A330C030@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russ,

Clean?  What is this strange concept of which you speak?
Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> Russ





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:06:47 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>



Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have listed on Ebay

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

 

started at $.01 with no reserve
 		 	   		  
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 21 10:52:33 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:52:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration.  Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Specifically I need to know the KVA rating (data plate is hard to read) and any technical specs that can be gleaned about it.

Thanks and take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From obise at moscow.com  Wed Oct 21 09:49:17 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:49:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh/Sean
In-Reply-To: <27a597cb0910210850l2739caaey310b02a6c6f7506c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27a597cb0910210850l2739caaey310b02a6c6f7506c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <671B5181F8FB48CCA6E2A004CC916B8A@CathyComp>

Thank you, Roland.  I'll pass the word along.

            Best regards, 

                        Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Orrin Iseminger
Subject: Sean

 

Orrin,  this is Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.

His mom in law is involved with child trafficking and has a conference there
and Sean can get a cheap ticket.  It is in the middle of Nov.  Will find out
the dates.

Roland



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 10:23:49 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aa1be895d11ed4feff11d055b2059ebf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 21 10:22:37 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>




From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 10:30:22 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:30:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W28C68F1B5EE0B9B9A50633C2BF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Arnie,

 

That wasn't my engine,  I think that was Ryan McClanahan's 5HP that he had there for sale.

 

Thanks

Tom
 
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:22:37 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of the sale area
> next to the field? That's a really sweet looking engine!!
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that I have
> > listed on Ebay
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
> >
> 
> 
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From swebre at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:12:37 2009
From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:12:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>


Russ, 

> Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all the info on how to clean our 
> white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!

Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....

-Steve- 


 		 	   		  

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 13:19:53 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:19:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <aa84873aadd47dff9b185f2d1a77d4ab.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>

Arnie,
	I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

Tom,

Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
the sale area
next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
that I have
> listed on Ebay
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>


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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 14:14:28 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:14:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>


Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for my engines! Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
> 
> G'day Russ,
> 
> Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
> Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> > Russ
> 
> 
> 
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 21 14:36:34 2009
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:36:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
References: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>

You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson Eden 
Aust
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB


> Arnie,
> I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
> it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
>
> Tom,
>
> Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
> the sale area
> next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> that I have
>> listed on Ebay
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
>>
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 15:21:28 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:21:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021222101.28A7734000D@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Hahaha Mate send some photo's LOL
Russ


At 08:14 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:

>Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , 
>starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for 
>my engines! Steve
>
> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
> > From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
> >
> > G'day Russ,
> >
> > Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
> > Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
> >
> > See ya, Arnie
> >
> > On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> > > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
> > > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
> > > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
> > > Russ
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 15:33:29 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:33:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>
Message-ID: <244AD12D31F241A5AB53D8EEBB00C89D@DBTOA000>

John,
	Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Renee
Mathieson
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson
Eden 
Aust




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Oct 21 15:36:45 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:36:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <3EAEC64EADD1401FB108E2DC07CDB5CF@lightning>
References: <9A12335F6F7F4C459EB6F50147685F63@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091021183616.0d15ed60@ncweb.com>

Going to check my lottery tickets tonite for sure!

Dave Merchant


At 05:36 PM 10/21/2009, Renee Mathieson wrote:
>You must have some nice engines to sell one like that. John Mathieson Eden
>Aust
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
>
>
> > Arnie,
> > I used to own the NB that Tom has on eBay.  I can attest that
> > it's a very nice engine.  I got it out of Arkansas many years ago.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:23 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Did you have that engine at Portland this summer, at the back edge of
> > the sale area
> > next to the field?  That's a really sweet looking engine!!
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > On Wed, October 21, 2009 11:06 am, Tom Winland wrote:
> >>
> >> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> > that I have
> >> listed on Ebay
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.23/2448 - Release Date:
> > 10/20/09 10:43:00
> >
> >
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>
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>
>
>
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From obise at moscow.com  Wed Oct 21 15:45:29 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:45:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FW: Edinburgh/Sean
Message-ID: <1B499E9382CA468EA8F50DF69797B450@CathyComp>

Here are the "vitals" for Sean's visit to Edinburgh, Scotland.  If anyone
can point him in an interesting direction, it will make all of us happy.

            Best regards, 

                        Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.  

  _____  

From: cooksewgood at gmail.com [mailto:cooksewgood at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Engine Shop
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:31 PM
To: Orrin Iseminger
Cc: cuspinner at clearwire.net
Subject: Sean

 

Sean will be in Edinburgh Nov 6,7,8,and part of 9

Sean's email is cuspinner at clearwire.net

Maybe he and the Scottish fellow should make arrangements so I don't get
jealous.

Roland



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Oct 21 16:24:45 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:24:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091021232418.1DDD737804A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Yeh Steve I was thinkin they would just throw them away.

At 05:12 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:

>Russ,
>
> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us 
> all the info on how to clean our
> > white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they 
> accumulate over a show weekend!
>
>Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....
>
>-Steve-
>
>
>
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 21 17:55:20 2009
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (Bill Grimley)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] North Carolina Ken Eder Tractor Show dates?
Message-ID: <818853.90922.qm@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

November 6,7,8 

?http://www.edervillenc.com/

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] North Carolina Show?
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:16 PM

Not sure when the show is this year but I chatted with Ken at Denton and
he invited me down.? Sadly I didn't write down the date.? I've chatted
with several folks who have been there and like Bill, they were very
impressed.? Ken has amassed a tremendous collection.

Tommy
 Turner
Magnolia, KY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Grimley
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] North Carolina Show?

Well it strikes me as unbelievable.? Never have seen so much stuff all
in one place, but I never went to Oscar's.? Must be about 75-100 steam
tractors, at least 500 gas tractors, most all of it running and under
sheds. Lots of the bigger old big tractors. Plus many other related
things.? Saw Bob Lefever there last November and think he was in shock
also. Haven't seen any dates for an open house this year; might be first
weekend in
 November.




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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 21 18:24:05 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
Message-ID: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have been infested with a Royster virus.  

Tim


>John,
>	Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>>
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Tim Christoff


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:40:51 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:40:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com><AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<COL112-W36A4F69CA96575BF392AAD95BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c101ca52b8$b047b530$d0624b47@mikecomp>

I don't use white tarps, I can't afford them!!!

MR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps


>
> Russ, I just send my tarps to the drycleaners and have them washed , 
> starched and pressed for the next show, Only first class tarps for my 
> engines! Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:56:27 -0400
>> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire now cleaning tarps
>>
>> G'day Russ,
>>
>> Clean? What is this strange concept of which you speak?
>> Surely, you don't think we BUY black tarps do you?
>>
>> See ya, Arnie
>>
>> On Wed, October 21, 2009 8:09 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>> > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us all
>> > the info on how to clean our white tarps and free them of the
>> > dreadded black spots they accumulate over a show weekend!
>> > Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:42:07 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:42:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures
References: <cae.519c6aa7.38105636@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01ca52b8$dd946330$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Stan:

  Steve is in Asheville, NC and there is an engine show there this weekend. 
Come see us!  The Stover will be there.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fire Pictures


> Paul--
>  where abouts is Steve located at?   Be fun to  see that old engine
> someday--! thanks again--
> Stan
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 18:56:06 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6FE6BBE181FB4372BF017264C1F8F5BA@DBTOA000>

You're right Tim.  And its worse than the Swine Flu!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Christoff
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have
been infested with a Royster virus.  

Tim





From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Oct 21 18:56:48 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
References: <7506165.1256174645682.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <012d01ca52ba$eacf0170$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Hey hey, my brother and I are proud to show the "Tommy Turner rejects."  We 
may open a museum called Was Tommy's but man that's a lot of white tarps!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB


> That may have been true in the past Tommy but lately it seems you have 
> been infested with a Royster virus.
>
> Tim
>
>
>>John,
>> Sometimes I seem to get rid of the good stuff and keep the junk!
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>>
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>
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Oct 21 19:11:10 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:11:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <012d01ca52ba$eacf0170$d0624b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <0DE50752B20945A9A67ED1DBDE39C3E5@DBTOA000>

Well, when the good iron rolled out of here in the back of a pickup with
NC plates, the tarps left too.... I'd bet the other Royster has them
cornered!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Royster
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB

Hey hey, my brother and I are proud to show the "Tommy Turner rejects."
We 
may open a museum called Was Tommy's but man that's a lot of white
tarps!

MR




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 21 20:26:11 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:26:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
Message-ID: <9554816.1256181971375.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>From some of the stories I have heard I would say your lucky that was all that rolled out of there.  

Tim

>Well, when the good iron rolled out of here in the back of a pickup with
>NC plates, the tarps left too.... I'd bet the other Royster has them
>cornered!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>


Tim Christoff


From mike17257 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 00:44:20 2009
From: mike17257 at gmail.com (michael young)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<d46ef4b373305efc904279bdf5362541.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BLU102-W558FA728DB3803FD54EC9C2BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <844af0290910220044s39384b76he53dbdc0dae9a09b@mail.gmail.com>

and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
here,


mike

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that
> I have listed on Ebay
>
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
>
>
>
> started at $.01 with no reserve
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 22 01:19:39 2009
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:19:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please
Message-ID: <3C15078962A748E78DB88F9C2F0E7AD8@bd32d875216e74>

Can anyone help with the site for International Famous Engine Numbers Please
No. SC 4285F
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 22 04:27:14 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:27:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <20091021232418.1DDD737804A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>
References: <mailman.2.1256140802.10776.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<SNT125-W190DFC340209E6B8DEFDC0DBBF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W32B80C02E6476BEB81FD6895BE0@phx.gbl>


Russ, Them Roysters don't throw nuthin away! They wuz raised during the depression and can squeeze blood out of a turnip. Or give you a story so sad you'll be donating to their old iron collection and helping them haul it out of your shed!  Bless your heart, thanks for helping a needy cause.  Gotta go I understand Tommy Turner is cleaning out his barn again! Steve

 


 
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:24:45 +1100
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 21
> 
> Yeh Steve I was thinkin they would just throw them away.
> 
> At 05:12 AM 22/10/2009, you wrote:
> 
> >Russ,
> >
> > > Now that it is mentioned we could ask the Royster Boys to give us 
> > all the info on how to clean our
> > > white tarps and free them of the dreadded black spots they 
> > accumulate over a show weekend!
> >
> >Big time Real Estate Tycoons just buy new ones.....
> >
> >-Steve-
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 09:27:48 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:27:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please
In-Reply-To: <3C15078962A748E78DB88F9C2F0E7AD8@bd32d875216e74>
Message-ID: <20091022162746.76B8C65B4FB@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Brian, I don't know about a sight, but Wendel's note book  indicates that it
is a 4 horsepower Famous, hopper-cooled Gasoline version manufactured in the
middle of 1913. Hope this helps, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Watts
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:20 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Cc: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Famous Engine Number .Please

Can anyone help with the site for International Famous Engine Numbers Please
No. SC 4285F
Brian  Watts.
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond,com
(03) 8761 6332

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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Thu Oct 22 10:27:29 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:27:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>

Hello Guys,
	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing 
consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to 
fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the 
fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing 
for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I 
have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but 
doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
  	
	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the 
armature bushing so I can check it?

	Any help appreciated.

Rupert
--

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 23 07:27:50 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:57:50 +1030
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <844af0290910220044s39384b76he53dbdc0dae9a09b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>


well its not that hard mike, i should know, i have brought several engines over, and the dollar is good at the moment too!! so why not have a go mate!!!

    cheers

          mick
 
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
> From: mike17257 at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
> 
> and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
> here,
> 
> 
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to let you all know about a really nice 8 HP Fairbanks NB that
> > I have listed on Ebay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110448146460&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
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> >
> >
> > started at $.01 with no reserve
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 23 11:43:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP Fairbanks NB
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>
References: <c6b.60ff4ee6.380f04b4@aol.com>
	<AB8E64DA36B14EB1ADC9D823F42ED521@PAUL>
	<BLU129-W227CF5A5C35A96622B06B19DBD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41a009c39095bf03332faf65e1fa3641.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

AND unlike Oz, the USA imposes no bizarre export barriers.  You buy that FBM "N" and
export it to Oz with no governmental interference.  As it should be!

Now if you Aussies were only so open minded....

On Fri, October 23, 2009 10:27 am, michael christie wrote:
>
> well its not that hard mike, i should know, i have brought several engines over,
> and the dollar is good at the moment too!! so why not have a go mate!!!
>     cheers
>           mick
>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +1100
>> From: mike17257 at gmail.com
>> and nice it is - shame about the 10000 miles of ocean that separates it from
>> here,
>> mike





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct 23 11:52:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com> <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Rupert,

I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is a common
problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance up to and
including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils at the
same instant with a good SNAP.

You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing that is
just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will do an
exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils & condenser,
new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange mag isn't
that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag exchange.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
> Hello Guys,
> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
>
> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
> armature bushing so I can check it?





From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 12:22:51 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:22:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4AE2028B.6050400@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Arnie for your reply and the info. My plan is to make a new 
bushing to fit the armature. The locating pin isn't worn appreciably as 
the diameter measures the same at the top and the bottom where the 
armature doesn't touch so it should be fine. I would like to know how 
tight to make the fit of the bushing to the pin.
	I will keep Mark's Magnetos in mind as it appears I may have more older 
magnetos to look at.

	Thanks for your help.

Rupert

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Rupert,
> 
> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is a common
> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance up to and
> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils at the
> same instant with a good SNAP.
> 
> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing that is
> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will do an
> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils & condenser,
> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange mag isn't
> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag exchange.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Hello Guys,
>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide pin.
>>
>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>> armature bushing so I can check it?
> 
> 
> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Oct 23 14:05:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com> <4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>
	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>
	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>

Arnie,
Mark has undersized bushings made just to do what you mentioned. Fit to a
shaft thats been worn and trued up. Long as its not worn too bad. If the
shaft is worn too badly then it will need a new bottom frame, or bush the
worn shaft, Theres a couple ways to skin that cat.
 Rupert, As for clearances I'd estimate a couple thou. Should be easy for
you to whip one out. I assume you will true up the old shaft? No need to
oversize like we do for other things when compensating for thermal
expansion. Snug as you can get and slide easy with a speck of lite oil.  
     Mark


> Rupert,
>
> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is
> a common
> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance
> up to and
> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils
> at the
> same instant with a good SNAP.
>
> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing
> that is
> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will
> do an
> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils &
> condenser,
> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange
> mag isn't
> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag
> exchange.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>> Hello Guys,
>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide
>> pin.
>>
>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>> armature bushing so I can check it?
>
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 23 14:52:33 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:52:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
Message-ID: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 3:31:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rwenig2 at xplornet.com writes:

The  locating pin isn't worn appreciably as 
the diameter measures the same at  the top and the bottom where the 
armature doesn't touch so it should be  fine.


Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As 
someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 21:28:26 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:28:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>

	Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so 
I figure that should work.
	Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom 
frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
Rupert

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As 
> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.  
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Fri Oct 23 21:30:49 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:30:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>
References: <103792.25758.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<4AD2AC9F.5020100@xplornet.com>
	<4AD2CB4B.7040900@xplornet.com>	<4AE09601.7060806@xplornet.com>	<1771ace6a25542f3ef7c344c4d3c4c5f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<4dbee5e92f2e0257c967ba9aba8aec78.squirrel@webmail.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4AE282F9.30505@xplornet.com>

	Thanks. That is what I wanted to know. Now, I just need to find time to 
fit a bushing. I'm helping my son build a house. Insulation days this 
week end.

Rupert

frappi at wcoil.com wrote:
> Arnie,
> Mark has undersized bushings made just to do what you mentioned. Fit to a
> shaft thats been worn and trued up. Long as its not worn too bad. If the
> shaft is worn too badly then it will need a new bottom frame, or bush the
> worn shaft, Theres a couple ways to skin that cat.
>  Rupert, As for clearances I'd estimate a couple thou. Should be easy for
> you to whip one out. I assume you will true up the old shaft? No need to
> oversize like we do for other things when compensating for thermal
> expansion. Snug as you can get and slide easy with a speck of lite oil.  
>      Mark
> 
> 
>> Rupert,
>>
>> I haven't seen any replies to this one yet.  The sloppy fit due to wear is
>> a common
>> problem with the Wico EK mags.  And it definitly will affect performance
>> up to and
>> including no spark at all.  The two armature arms must pull off the coils
>> at the
>> same instant with a good SNAP.
>>
>> You should probably be able to true up the shaft and make a custom bushing
>> that is
>> just a slip fit.  OTOH, most of the "mag guys" like Mark's Magnetos will
>> do an
>> exchange of your Wico EK for one that is guarenteed to work (new coils &
>> condenser,
>> new busing, all in proper adjustment, etc.).  The cost of the new exchange
>> mag isn't
>> that much.  If your "repair" doesn't do the job, consider doing the mag
>> exchange.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Thu, October 22, 2009 1:27 pm, Rupert wrote:
>>> Hello Guys,
>>> 	My son-in-law has a Wico EK series magneto that is not firing
>>> consistently. In other words, it takes more than one trip for it to
>>> fire. He thinks the armature bushing and/or the guide rod is worn as the
>>> fit is very sloppy may be causing the problem.  I can make a new bushing
>>> for him but I need to know what clearances are required. The manual I
>>> have from the "oldengine site" gives data on setting the points but
>>> doesn't say anything about the fit of the armature bushing to the guide
>>> pin.
>>>
>>> 	Does anyone have any data or dimensions of the guide rod and the
>>> armature bushing so I can check it?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Oct 23 22:29:53 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:29:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com> <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>

ALWAYS put a keeper across when you remove the bottom. NEVER taks the guts 
out of a mag without doing this!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted


> Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so
> I figure that should work.
> Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom
> frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
> Rupert
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As
>> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord,  Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>
> -- 
>
> yvt
>
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>
> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>
> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 01:06:21 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:06:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 10:09:01 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:09:01 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <d29.524ad50f.38148ead@aol.com>

Patrick,
 
That sure does look like a great engine show!  The rats must get  pretty 
large there as noted by the size of the rat trap on the table about 2/3  of 
the way thru the photos.
 
Thanks for all the great shots!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 16:43:07 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:43:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <bd4.52e5b8b1.3814eb0b@aol.com>

Hey Pat---
    Same words here as Tom sent you---   and THANKS for the great pics----
  Stan Zettner
     Pleasanton,  Tx       (can you send a pic of that RAT when you  catch 
it)???   ha
 


From obise at moscow.com  Sat Oct 24 18:42:53 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:42:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
In-Reply-To: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86E8F690E05242F2BB956AA29D227CA9@CathyComp>

Thank  you for the pix, Patrick; well done, as usual.  I like the size of
your thumbnails; they download fast.

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:06 AM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics

Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 24 19:35:56 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:35:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
References: <C70900AD.2D4B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A9B15D5DC0E4AADBAA2E716E15BA151@PAUL>

Great pictures Patrick, nice way to spend my Saturday night, looking at 
beautiful pictures if great engines, Thanks again for taking the time and 
trouble to post them so we all can see them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics


> Some pics from the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch09/index.htm
>
>
> 




From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Sat Oct 24 21:28:10 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:28:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
In-Reply-To: <3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>
References: <d33.62c39efe.38137fa1@aol.com> <4AE2826A.9020504@xplornet.com>
	<3EC5871069044BADB9FD166D96F1A1C9@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <4AE3D3DA.4000002@xplornet.com>

	Thanks Reg. That is what I thought.

Rueprt

Reg Ingold wrote:
> ALWAYS put a keeper across when you remove the bottom. NEVER taks the guts 
> out of a mag without doing this!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wico type EK magneto help wanted
> 
> 
>> Thanks. I did that. It is only about 1 thou out of round at the tip so
>> I figure that should work.
>> Is there any danger of loosing the magnet charge if I take the bottom
>> frame off so I can get a more accurate measurement?
>> Rupert
>>
>> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Be sure and measure the shaft at 90deg as it is usually oval  shaped.  As
>>> someone said, a few thousands clearance should do the job.
>>>
>>> Tom  Schmutz
>>> Concord,  Va.
>>> germoamer at AOL.com
>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> yvt
>>
>> Rupert Wenig
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>>
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sat Oct 24 21:31:43 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:31:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
In-Reply-To: <d29.524ad50f.38148ead@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca552c$0e0067b0$0201010a@JBCooper>


Hi Tom,
Havn't you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
hop around on two back legs and grow six feet tall.
J.C. Bega Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2009 4:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics



Patrick,
 
That sure does look like a great engine show!  The rats must get  pretty 
large there as noted by the size of the rat trap on the table about 2/3  of 
the way thru the photos.
 
Thanks for all the great shots!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 05:35:46 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:35:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?
>
> Specifically I need to know the KVA rating (data plate is hard to read) and any technical specs that can be gleaned about it.
>
> Thanks and take care - Elden

Elden:

Somewhere, I have a Buda generator catalogue. We are just back from
California and a bit jet lagged, but I'll have a dig through the
catalogues later and see what is there.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 05:36:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:36:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
Message-ID: <c9d.51512efc.3815a05e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/25/2009 12:41:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

Havn't  you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
hop  around on two back legs and grow six feet tall


Not being a worldly traveler like Arnie, I did not know what you called  
those critters!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 25 07:39:36 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:39:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for looking!  You'll be the only person who can shed some light on this genset.

I hope you had a wonderful trip over here to the Colonies.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 07:36 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
> 
> 
> 2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Gang:
> >
> > I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 
> (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does 
> anybody out there have any literature or a manual 
> on this set?
> >
> > Specifically I need to know the KVA rating 
> (data plate is hard to read) and any technical 
> specs that can be gleaned about it.
> >
> > Thanks and take care - Elden
> 
> Elden:
> 
> Somewhere, I have a Buda generator catalogue. We 
> are just back from
> California and a bit jet lagged, but I'll have a 
> dig through the
> catalogues later and see what is there.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Oct 25 09:51:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:51:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 25
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091025184431.00acfe88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 25/10/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:36:46 EDT
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Pics
>
>
>In a message dated 10/25/2009 12:41:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:
>
>Havn't  you seen pictures of the rats down here, they have a long tail and
>hop  around on two back legs and grow six feet tall
>
>
>Not being a worldly traveler like Arnie, I did not know what you called
>those critters!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com

Hi Tom,
         Did you have to mention Arnie !! Now he will probably reply with a 
recipe "roast rat" :-)

         Seriously though, I do not know what size rats our Aussie friends 
have but here in Africa we do have "Cane Rats" and they ARE eaten eaten by 
the indigenous populace.
<http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1316568>
Keep well,
Jerry




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:19:45 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160910250535x77e5a3aahe5b8e0b92e8668a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFBIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910251019k3468cc59i5ee2dbf42de34cca@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/25 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for looking! ?You'll be the only person who can shed some light on this genset.
>
> I hope you had a wonderful trip over here to the Colonies.
>
> Take care - Elden

We had a medical problem with one of our grand-daughters, which meant
she had to have oxygen and medical treatment on the plane, and we were
met by a paramedic team at the airport Fortunately it was nothing too
serious and she was released later that night. The British Airways
crew and the Customs & Immigration guys were superb, couldn't have
asked for better treatment.

Rest of the trip went well, and no problems going home :-))

Found the data, your exact machine isn't listed, but there's one pretty close:

1BDG-38  - can be:

BD-3 (3kW DC 32V or 125V 1500rpm)
BD-2A (2.5kW AC 1ph 120V 60Hz 1200rpm)
BD-3A (3kW AC 1ph 120V 50Hz 1500rpm)

Leaflet for that model range shows a single-cylinder diesel with
radiator cooling, same bore and stroke as you quoted, direct-coupled
alternator or dynamo.

I'll scan the brochure when I get a minute and email it direct to you.
 I'd suggest that the 'M' in the designation could be 'Marine',
possibly a marine auxiliary generator. Looks like a neat little unit.

Peter
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:23:47 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:23:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910251023v1e1a0252p5f151dfa946acb36@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration.  Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Forgot to add that the brochure and sheets are dated January 1st 1948.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:37:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEDPIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160910251037u480b3afanb1658e0ad678bec0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> Gang:
>
> I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does anybody out there have any literature or a manual on this set?

Scanned images emailed.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 25 14:43:08 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:43:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160910251037u480b3afanb1658e0ad678bec0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEFDIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I hope that whatever was ailing your grand-daughter is long past and that she'd doing well.

Thanks so much for the information!  I can't tell if this is the same genset as the one I've found because all I have are some poor photos of it as of now.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Information on Genset
> 
> 
> 2009/10/21 Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:
> > Gang:
> >
> > I've got a lead on a Buda-Lanova Model 1BDMG38 
> (3-7/16 X 4-1/8) genset for restoration. ?Does 
> anybody out there have any literature or a manual 
> on this set?
> 
> Scanned images emailed.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 05:22:10 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:22:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 25
Message-ID: <c1d.723e8ad1.38183ff2@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2009 1:01:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

but here  in Africa we do have "Cane Rats" and they ARE eaten eaten by 
the  indigenous populace.
 
Jerry,
 

It is most amazing what folks eat around the world!  Watching some  travel 
program the other evening and they shook some ants out of a tree into a  
bucket of water and then drank the water which supposedly tasted like  
lemonade!  Not cooked or anything, just swirl the ants around in the  water.  So, it 
had to be the secretion of some kind from the ants  flavoring the water.  
Maybe the swirling water scares the s***t out of  them!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 11:47:04 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:47:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Ant-Ade?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>


"It is most amazing what folks eat around the world!  Watching some  travel 
program the other evening and they shook some ants out of a tree into a  
bucket of water and then drank the water which supposedly tasted like  
lemonade!  Not cooked or anything, just swirl the ants around in the  water.  So, it 
had to be the secretion of some kind from the ants  flavoring the water.  
Maybe the swirling water scares the s***t out of  them!"

It's formic acid, Tom.  Same stuff that stings when they bite, but diluted.

Rats were a welcome change in RVN after six weeks of mutton.  
I think part of the deal to have the Oz troops there was to buy mutton. We're 
talking mutton, not lamb.  Some of it had to be as old as I was; the chops 
were huge.  It wasn't bad for a while, but after being seared on the barbie, 
baked, fricasseed, sauteed, fried, boiled, sliced and fried like bacon - any 
thing else was good.  The Montagnards would catch these good-sized rats, 
gut, stuff with a potato analog tuber, wrap in leaves, and bake in hot rocks.

Had worse.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 13:40:47 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:40:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Ant-Ade
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W510E4C88FD6DC362A1104CBB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0910271340n4e06ee3cv482c902911e69767@mail.gmail.com>

I guess some things never change. I had an uncle that was a sub sailor in
WWII and he hated mutton for the same reason. That's the only meat they
would feed those poor guys for a couple of years.

Paul still Stateside (in California)

PS: He didn't mention rats. But then again, he didn't mention hookers until
he was drunk one night.


From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 22:06:04 2009
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:06:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>


 Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that side of the engine,regards Dave 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 04:03:04 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:03:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>

Dave,
 
You post is the first I have received in the past day.  Tried going to  the 
archives to see if any posts were being made and cannot get access to  
them.  Must be some problems with the server?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Oct 29 14:26:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:26:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>
References: <ce5.5d1b117f.381ad068@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091029212549.3865E29802E@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Hey Dave, wasn't there one advertised in the TOMM a while ago?? Think 
there was a Robey and side shaft petter for sale same place?? Could 
be worth a try
Russell


At 10:03 PM 29/10/2009, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>You post is the first I have received in the past day.  Tried going to  the
>archives to see if any posts were being made and cannot get access to
>them.  Must be some problems with the server?
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 14:34:14 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:34:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Pics
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C7105586.2E2D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Dave,
I have emailed you some pics off list.


On 29/10/09 4:06 PM, "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
>  Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it
> needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be
> something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that
> side of the engine,regards Dave          
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 29 15:48:52 2009
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:48:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Pics
In-Reply-To: <C7105586.2E2D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL114-W5D7855FB4855C8F825E84BAB70@phx.gbl>


Hi Patrick , thanks for the pictures they are handy as a nother part showed up but the engine my mate has is an earlier one to the one in your pictures,it doesn't have the air control tap on it,thanks Dave 
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:34:14 +1100
> From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Pics
> 
> Hi Dave,
> I have emailed you some pics off list.
> 
> 
> On 29/10/09 4:06 PM, "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi All, i am after a picture/photo of a 8-10hp petter sideshaft engine ,it
> > needs to be of the opposite side to the sideshaft,we think the could be
> > something missing from the air intake pipe but cant find any picture of that
> > side of the engine,regards Dave 
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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> 
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