From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 02:26:04 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:26:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
Message-ID: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I did a bit of wandering over the weekend and brought some of my junk home
after having some work done:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/fmt/DSCF4335.JPG

The Nissan was a little lighter in the steering than usual :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  1 06:13:19 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEGOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Is that a 4 HP Jack of All Trades?

I bet the steering WAS a bit light!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 04:26 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine
> Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  1 07:43:17 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:43:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD599D78183C4E608558A7FC55F08D7E@PAUL>

Good for you Patrick, now tell me what kind of engine you have stashed in 
the back of the Nissan. That one cylinder looks like it has been recently 
machined.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:26 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.


>I did a bit of wandering over the weekend and brought some of my junk home
> after having some work done:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/fmt/DSCF4335.JPG




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 11:10:11 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:10:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
In-Reply-To: <DD599D78183C4E608558A7FC55F08D7E@PAUL>
Message-ID: <C7142843.2E8B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


The load in the back was my 3hp F-M T and the re-sleeved cylinder from my
3hp Austral.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Nov  2 16:07:19 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:07:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Ideal question
Message-ID: <20091102.160807.1232.73994@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
How do you check for the correct oil level in the crankcase of a 2-2 1/2
hp Ideal  vertical air cooled engine?  There is a stand pipe coming out
of the crankcase with a cap on it, but where should the oil level be? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Nov  2 21:18:11 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:18:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Correction
Message-ID: <20091102.211855.1138.78624@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

The question about an Ideal engine should have been for a New Way.  Brain
fart.

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Riverside, California USA
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 05:13:57 2009
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:13:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
Message-ID: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi,Guys & Gals, 

        I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.
    I was discharched from hospital yesterday afternoon, and I can sure say that it was a real good feeling to be going home after such a short stay in hospital ( as I was originally told I would be lucky if I were home for Christmas) surgery went very well with on fracture being plated and screwed together, the other two will be left to heal naturally.
    It was only decided over the weekend that I should be allowed home so promptly as the surgical team were happy with the out come of the x-rays I received on Friday, and the physio's were also happy with the progress I had made after being allowed up no the Wednesday after progressing from walking with the aid of a lifter frame to a Zimmer on Friday afternoon then on to using elbow crutches on Sunday morning.So it just goes to prove that hard work and determination do help when in hospital as well as all the cards and messages that spurred me on.
    I have a further check up appointment in 6 weeks time, mean while I have some physio work that I can do at home as well as getting about by the aid of crutches as long as I don't put any weight at all through my left leg.



        Thanks for all your kind wishes and cards as it means such allot to me at this time and I take great strength in knowing that so many people care about me, again thanks.

Craig Morrison

From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Nov  3 06:55:32 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:55:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEHJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Craig:

Congratulations on your recent graduation from hospital to home!

Just try to be more careful in the future, okay?    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of craig
> morrison
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 07:14 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital




From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 05:55:09 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:55:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
Message-ID: <c89.51ef7928.3821903d@aol.com>

Hey Craig--
  really don't know what happened, BUT---I been there  too---YUK!  I wish 
you all the good luck---    bet you are  ready to CRANK an engine soon---, ha!
 Stan Zettner---(old Stovers)
 Pleasanton, Texas


From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov  3 06:43:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:43:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <82353A0B-44FF-4924-BCF1-2C37BFED9A28@rustyiron.com>

Glad you're home and doing well, mate.  I suppose that means the  
Estate Auction is now cancelled?

Rob



On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:13 AM, craig morrison wrote:

> Hi,Guys & Gals,
>
>        I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the  
> kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf  
> at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many  
> peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.
>    I was discharched from hospital yesterday afternoon, and I can  
> sure say that it was a real good feeling to be going home after such  
> a short stay in hospital ( as I was originally told I would be lucky  
> if I were home for Christmas) surgery went very well with on  
> fracture being plated and screwed together, the other two will be  
> left to heal naturally.
>    It was only decided over the weekend that I should be allowed  
> home so promptly as the surgical team were happy with the out come  
> of the x-rays I received on Friday, and the physio's were also happy  
> with the progress I had made after being allowed up no the Wednesday  
> after progressing from walking with the aid of a lifter frame to a  
> Zimmer on Friday afternoon then on to using elbow crutches on Sunday  
> morning.So it just goes to prove that hard work and determination do  
> help when in hospital as well as all the cards and messages that  
> spurred me on.
>    I have a further check up appointment in 6 weeks time, mean while  
> I have some physio work that I can do at home as well as getting  
> about by the aid of crutches as long as I don't put any weight at  
> all through my left leg.
>
>
>
>        Thanks for all your kind wishes and cards as it means such  
> allot to me at this time and I take great strength in knowing that  
> so many people care about me, again thanks.
>
> Craig Morrison


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 08:29:20 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911030829s317342d1gacd0a809f3095c7e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/3 craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:
> Hi,Guys & Gals,
>
> ? ? ? ?I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.

Glad to hear you're up and out of hospital, Craig, thanks to your
family for keeping us all in touch with the situation.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  3 18:51:01 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:51:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEHJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3D8379B31D8541BB9A3479A04CB970A2@PAUL>

Craig what great news, so thankful you are doing so well.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital


> Craig:
> 
> Congratulations on your recent graduation from hospital to home!
> 
> Just try to be more careful in the future, okay?    :-)
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Nov  4 09:49:12 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:49:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>

Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great  
ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain  
cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be  
sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds  
like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set  
I'll post them here.

I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the  
cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to  
send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn  
Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I  
don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.

As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably  
during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.   
Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules  
built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes  
and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If  
you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of  
Glenn I'll share it with his family.


Thanks.
Keith

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  4 11:27:15 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:27:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5722E1CFE3CF49DF96A2403473D6E40D@PAUL>

So sorry to hear this Keith, Glenn will truly be missed by all and can never 
be replaced. I have fond memories of Glenn when I came to visit you with my 
now departed engine friend Bill Miller and we all (you, Glenn, Bill and 
myself) visited several of the local engine guys and then ended up having 
dinner together. I later went back myself and picked up the old Garden 
Tractor from him.

We are reminded in the Bible that life is but a vapor, here today and gone 
tomorrow, and we have lost so many of our beloved engine people in the last 
couple of years. My prayers and thoughts will be with Glenn's family and I 
want to think that Glenn is now with Bill and they are having a great time 
in Heaven.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 12:01:23 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911041201y2d1f10efof69544b40b0a9afe@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/4 Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>:
> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones. ?Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.

That's so sad. We were just looking through the Kewanee engine
info/folder that we got from Glenn a year or so back, and I was
wondering how he was doing.

Lovely guy, really enjoyed his auctioneering at the Portland Charity
Dinner auction. We'll send a card to the  family.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov  4 12:17:50 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:17:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <D9C509945CDE4CE9AC4D017867744BAE@loungeroom>

Hi all
It is with great sadness that Kaye & I hear of Glenn's passing. We are both 
glad to have had the chance to meet Glenn and Marian on a number of 
occasions. He will be missed not only by his family but the whole engine 
fraternity whole wide

Peter & Kaye Lowe
Australia




> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 12:20:33 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Project Azorian and the Glomar Explorer
Message-ID: <6f6025160911041220l2ebcab8na1df0ec3baaea10e@mail.gmail.com>

I've been reading a lot about the Russian K129 submarine and the
attempted recovery by the CIA using the Hughes Glomar Explorer
recovery ship.

There are a few books on the subject, and in the last few weeks I have
been in correspondence with a guy who has just released a documentary
on DVD about the whole operation.

It is a fascinating subject, especially the building of the boat and
the huge claw that was made to pick up the sub from nearly 17000 ft
below the surface of the ocean.

For those interested in the technical side of things, as I am, the DVD
is on release directly from the company that made it, it is in PAL
format, so check that you can switch between PAL and NTSC on your DVD
player. Mine does and I think most do these days.

http://www.projectjennifer.at

Have a look at the graphics and the story, it is basically true, and
if anyone wants the relevant book titles, let me know and I'll send a
list. All but one are recently published. I hope to have mine here by
the weekend.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From hallaran at juno.com  Wed Nov  4 13:02:08 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:02:08 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <20091104.160208.15441.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

What a great human being. I remember looking for a part for my engine. I kept getting ripped off by vendors, (that will go unmentioned). Glenn got an exact copy of the check valve in question, cast and machined it.
He sold it to me cheaper then the one the ripoff artist had sold me the wrong one for! I guess that is always the experience you have when you run across someone of the ultra-high integrity that Glenn was...
He was always about the "good stuff".
R.I.P. my good friend, it was my very good fortune to have known you!
God bless,
            Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA      




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Nov  4 13:03:26 2009
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:03:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <D9C509945CDE4CE9AC4D017867744BAE@loungeroom>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W147B78D0497047370A50C5E7B10@phx.gbl>


Glenn was a great person and will be greatly missed on all levels, not just for his wealth of engine knowledge.

 

His family will be in our prayers.

 

Bill & Peg Pfeiffer
 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:17:50 +1100
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch
> 
> Hi all
> It is with great sadness that Kaye & I hear of Glenn's passing. We are both 
> glad to have had the chance to meet Glenn and Marian on a number of 
> occasions. He will be missed not only by his family but the whole engine 
> fraternity whole wide
> 
> Peter & Kaye Lowe
> Australia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> > ones. Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> > cancer. I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> > sleeping peacefully. Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> > like the funeral will probably be Saturday. Once arrangements are set
> > I'll post them here.
> >
> > I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> > cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year. If you'd like to
> > send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> > Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address. I
> > don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
> >
> > As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> > during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> > Kind of like a World Wide memorial service. If you have a Hercules
> > built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> > and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running. If
> > you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> > Glenn I'll share it with his family.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Keith
> >
> > Keith Kinney
> > kkinney at herculesengines.com
> > WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Nov  4 13:49:56 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <89710FC2A6A14877B068E066508ECF29@REGsServer>

I for one, will fire up my Hercules and say a silent goodby and thankyou to 
a good friend and fellow show goer.
We had many chats over the years at Portland.
That shirt will be missed by a lot of folk.
A sad day for us all.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov  4 14:06:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:06:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <d0c.61d54683.382354f9@aol.com>

Very sorry to hear about Glenn.  Glad we made it to the Evansville  show 
this past June and got to see Glenn riding around in the golf cart and to  
speak with him a few minutes.  A great asset to the old engine community  and 
will be sadly missed by all.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Nov  4 15:34:39 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:34:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2F1377FD@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Sorry to hear of Glenn's passing although it wasn't a great shock to read of his passing.

Glad to have met him a couple times at the Portland show and enjoyed visiting with him and seeing his engines there.

George


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Nov  4 16:56:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:56:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <026201ca5db2$de263c10$4d644b47@mikecomp>

Thanks Keith.  It is a loss of our friend and a wealth of information.  What 
a wonderful guy and generous spirit.  He will be greatly missed by so many.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Nov  4 22:06:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:06:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>

Hi All,
	Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS  
Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a  
brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already  
transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's  
name.
	I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that  
effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not  
take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been  
established and donations are now being accepted.
	I am currently in FL and will fly to Evansville on Friday for Glenn's  
funeral on Saturday. I'll fly home to Greensburg on Sunday (late) and  
will provide information at that time as to where to send  
contributions to the Glenn Karch Memorial Cancer Fund. I simply do not  
have that information with me here in FL!
	Dave
PS, I will send flowers (in the name of the SEL) to the funeral home  
in Evansville.

	
On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.
> Thanks.
> Keith


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Nov  4 19:30:03 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:30:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <54D23ED8-BE1C-4436-83A8-F27C3FD2234A@herculesengines.com>

Here is Glenn's Obituary:


Glenn Arthur Karch, 79, of Haubstadt, passed away at 9:53 pm, Tuesday,  
November 3, 2009 at River Pointe Health Center from brain cancer.

Glenn was honored by the Never Too Late organization on October 17th  
with an 80th Birthday Celebration. The Never Too Late. Org grants  
wishes to terminally ill patients and he was the second to receive  
such an honor at the River Pointe Health Center this year.

Glenn was born on November 23, 1929 in Evansville Indiana. He was a  
member of Immanuel Lutheran Church where he held numerous positions.  
Glenn was also a Korean War Veteran.

He was a grain farmer and retired as a Regional Sales Manager with 25  
years of service with Pioneer HiBred

He was a 1947 graduate of Reitz High School. In 1951 he received his  
BS in Agriculture from Purdue University and was a life member of the  
John Purdue Club. He was also an Assistant County Agent in Gibson  
County and a Vanderburgh County 4-H Center Volunteer and 4-H Leader.

He was a member of the Southern Indiana Antique Machinery & Engine  
Club, Cool Springs, PA Power Museum, and the Portland Indiana Tri- 
State Tractor & Engine Club.
Glenn enjoyed his engines and was a world-wide contact regarding the  
Hercules Engines built in Evansville, also information on many other  
brands of engines. He was the author of Hercules Manufacturing Company  
of Evansville Book pertaining to their engines and history. He has  
donated a Hercules Engine that is on display at the Indianapolis Museum.

He is survived by his wife of 57 years, Marian Niederhaus Karch; sons,  
Kurt Karch and his wife, Waverlyn of Haubstadt and Kevin Karch and  
Lori Campbell of Indianapolis, IN. One sister, Gayle Karch Cook and  
husband, Bill, of Bloomington, IN. Two grandchildren, Kayla Grace  
Karch and Allen Hurst-Alexander Karch of Haubstadt. One nephew, Carl  
Cook, and wife Marcy, of Bloomington, IN.

The family would like to extend their thanks to the River Pointe  
Health Center and Heritage Hospice for all their care given to Glenn.

Funeral service 10:30 am on Saturday, November 7, 2009 at Alexander- 
North Funeral Home, Stringtown Road, Evansville. Burial will be in the  
Lutheran Cemetery on St. Joe Avenue. Reverend Kirk Horstmeyer will be  
officiating.

Friends may call from 1 to 8 pm Friday, November 6, 2009 at Alexander- 
North Chapel. And 9 am to service time Saturday at 10:30.

Memorials contributions may be made to Immanuel Lutheran Church  
Educational Building or The Glenn Karch Cancer Research Endowment,  
Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science  
Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN  
47907-2064


Keith


On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  4 21:04:37 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:04:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
Message-ID: <725519D6870C47D189FBFDD2C0C12E49@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for taking care of the flowers, I will be happy to donate to the 
flowers if you will send me your mailing address an will donate to the 
memorial once you get it set up.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Hi All,
> Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS
> Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a
> brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already
> transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's
> name.
> I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that
> effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not
> take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been
> established and donations are now being accepted.
> I 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 21:10:22 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:10:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C718A96E.2F1A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Thank you for passing on this sad news. Glenn will be greatly missed but his
immense contribution to the hobby will live on.

On 5/11/09 4:49 AM, "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
> 
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
> 
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> Keith
> 
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov  5 01:04:09 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:04:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
Message-ID: <7538DDC1436846739BC09A489CDC5105@KerryPC>

Any one seen or have information of the Schule / engine unit that I have 
been given at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/temporary14.html

The pump itself is a high pressure vane pump that was previously used in a 
sand quarry to blast down the sand wall face with water under very high 
pressure, the story of the unit from the previous owner was the vane pump 
itself was designed by a local bloke that had it built in Germany before 
WW2.
I assume the engine is a German design, any thoughts

Any help appreciated with info on this neat little pump unit

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 05:12:03 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:12:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
Message-ID: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/5/2009 4:12:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

The pump  itself is a high pressure vane pump 


Kerry,
 
Very neat pump/engine package.  Any idea of the pressure output? Given  the 
vane pump, I would think it is a high volume too.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov  5 09:39:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:39:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
Message-ID: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>

Thanks to Keith we now have the fund name and address to which  
contributions can be made. It is: The Glenn Karch Cancer Research  
Endowment,
Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science   
Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN
47907-2064.
	Dave

On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:06 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS
> Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a
> brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already
> transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's
> name.
> 	I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that
> effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not
> take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been
> established and donations are now being accepted.
> 	Dave


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 07:24:31 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:24:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
	<47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911050724o6fd3603cr1d72bbaa428d2f0b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/5 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Thanks to Keith we now have the fund name and address to which
> contributions can be made. It is: The Glenn Karch Cancer Research
> Endowment,
> Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science
> Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN
> 47907-2064.
> ? ? ? ?Dave
>

Dave:

Could we send money to you or one of the others via PayPal (Gift) to
be passed on to the fund, please?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  5 08:10:53 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:10:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS3F923174D7C607D75F002BBB00@phx.gbl>


   Thanks very much, Keith and Dave!  I was wondering how old he was.  In 
tribute, Eco 5hp. will run for 79 minutes on Saturday.

   79 minutes isn't very long to contemplate when one thinks about all his 
contributions.

  Regards,
RickinMt. 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Nov  5 11:04:48 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:04:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <F3C50B36-6C6A-4DE5-9ADB-BAF7A4723E79@herculesengines.com>

Here is the obituary in the newspaper this am:

http://obits.courierpress.com/obituaries/courierpress/obituary.aspx?n=glenn-arthur-karch&pid=135456551

Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov  5 12:19:43 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:19:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <F3C50B36-6C6A-4DE5-9ADB-BAF7A4723E79@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEIGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

I plan to run my Jack of All Trades on Saturday in memory of Glenn.  

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 01:05 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch
> 
> 
> Here is the obituary in the newspaper this am:
> 
> http://obits.courierpress.com/obituaries/courierpr
ess/obituary.aspx?n=glenn-arthur-karch&pid=135456551

Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com




From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  5 13:45:46 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A_Glenn_Karch?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W26672F391BAB385087B3EBCBB00@phx.gbl>


Glenn's loss is a loss to his family, his community, and the worldwide engine community.  I have located a Delco light plant nearby, and the owner - being an engine man, though he didn't know Glenn - has agreed that we will run it on Saturday.  I like the idea of running for 79 minutes, so we will try for that.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov  5 14:43:18 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:43:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
In-Reply-To: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>
References: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>
Message-ID: <362B303478774C10AA3BB2729262D6FE@KerryPC>

G'Day Tom
No idea of the pressure, the last owner that used the pump in a sand mine 
said it would send a full bore 2 3/4" of water 50 yds and blast down the 
sand wall.

Roland (exlist member) on an English list suggested it was a trench pump 
from WW1

Anyway a good find as it was going to the dump if I did not want it

Kerry


> Very neat pump/engine package.  Any idea of the pressure output? Given 
> the
> vane pump, I would think it is a high volume too.



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Nov  6 08:51:56 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport Ohio to Connecticut
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <20091106165156.4D2B1904B@smtp.wcoil.com>

A fellow collector Gary Hufner not on the lists may want to get a 1.5 
to 2 hp Nelson Bros engine transported from the North West- West 
central Ohio area to its ultimate goal of Sharon CT.  So to any area 
in that direction ultimately can be of help.
I can get it to any place in reasonable range of Bluffton Ohio.  Or 
to the Akron Ohio NE Ohio area during the holidays.  If anyone can 
help call Gary at 860.364.7425
                                   Thanks,   Mark





Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov  6 14:25:17 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:25:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Schule & Co pump unit/now Mining and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1257526802.20258.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091106190519.00af06a0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:43:18 +1100
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
><snip>
>G'Day Tom
>No idea of the pressure, the last owner that used the pump in a sand mine
>said it would send a full bore 2 3/4" of water 50 yds and blast down the
>sand wall.
>
>Roland (exlist member) on an English list suggested it was a trench pump
>from WW1
>
>Anyway a good find as it was going to the dump if I did not want it
>
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Not too much to do with your find but that system of using it in a 
sand mine is very similar to what is happening here with regards to 
"clearing" all the old "gold mine dumps" from Johannesburg's (and South 
Africa's) gold mining past. Albeit, the pump capacity is much bigger.

         For those who do not know what a gold "mine dump" looks like and 
are interested I've put pics here (Black and White taken in the early 1950's):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/temp/minedumps1.jpg> (53 KBytes) 
(The dumps are those white man made mountains in the middle background)
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/temp/minedumps2.jpg> (107 KBytes) 
An aerial view of the same dumps. To give you an example of the size, that 
rectangular building just below the road (centre of pic) is the "Kaserne 
Goods Shed" belonging to the South African Railways and it covers 13 1/2 
acres under roof.

         These "mine dumps' are scattered over an area stretching for quite 
a few hundred miles and are/were real eyesores. In the 1970's a decision 
was made to "re-mine" them and, at the same time, rehabilitate, the space 
they occupied. (That was in the "Old South Africa"). The old method of 
removing gold was not as efficient as modern methods and there is still a 
lot of gold in "them thar hills".

         It's an interesting process (but "off topic") but, what the heck, 
I'll explain one of the methods to the best of my limited ability!.

         A large area (a few acres) is covered with cheap black 
polyethylene sheeting (similar to what is used under new houses as damp 
proofing). This is placed on a slight slope - you will see why soon.

          Then, the sand is removed from the mine dumps in various ways - 
one of them being using water jets to turn it into a "pumpable" liquid 
(like your pump does) and stacked on this sheeting. This "stack" can end up 
many metres deep (20 or 30).

         Thereafter, an irrigation system is installed on the "stack" 
(exactly the same as a farm irrigation system but with much higher volumes).

         The "stack/hill/mountain whatever" is then irrigated with a 
cyanide solution (gold dissolves in cyanide).(Safety Officers - don't ask 
me !). This liquid cyanide solution then dissolves the gold left in the old 
mine dump sand (leeches it) and the resulting solution then gravitates to 
the bottom of the dump, until it reaches the aforementioned layer of "cheap 
black polyethylene sheeting" and runs off into a furrow. The resulting 
solution/liquid is then channeled into a refining plant which recovers the 
dissolved gold.

         Apologies for the very basic explanation. If I was a "chemical 
engineer" I could "bore" you guys with more explanations !!! (but, I'm not).



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Nov  6 15:18:01 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:18:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ken Eders Show Carthage NC
Message-ID: <COL106-W247C4DA850F16AC46A62D7B4AF0@phx.gbl>


Hi folks;

Any list members going to be at Ken Eders show in

Carthage NC tomorrow ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 		 	   		  

From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  7 15:34:29 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:34:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

I ran my Jack of All Trades (Don't have an Evansville-built engine) today for Glenn.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch




From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 16:00:54 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:00:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <cc4.5c94ffda.38276436@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/7/2009 4:44:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG



WOW---beautiful pic!  thanks
 Stan Zettner
old stovers!
 Pleasanton, Tx


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  7 18:00:36 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:00:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Just uploaded the movie of my Glenn Karch memorial engine run to YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrvzvPuX5Y

Take care - Elden




From hallaran at juno.com  Sat Nov  7 17:01:34 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:01:34 GMT
Subject: [SEL]  Glenn Karch - You are a good soul Elden...
Message-ID: <20091107.200134.12572.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

I ran my old ka-chunka Briggs FH. A beautiful day here to run an engine in the memory of an old engine friend.




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  7 17:15:23 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:15:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS235B3029BB305A3542B77BBAD0@phx.gbl>

Good job Elden  ...Eco, 5hp started right up..ran crappy (to be expected 
since I jumped the track for a while on steam), settled down after a good 
warm up.

   Keith did Eco on his website, Curt welded up the head, and Glenn always 
stayed in touch and even sent me literature on my 1-3/4 hp dragsaw.  The 
Herc boys are top notch.

Prepare yourself...there's video at the end...In my frowning ways, I am very 
content..especially when I got my teeth in.

The Best of Healing and Closure to the Karch family!!!

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/575440460buqqGs?vhost=good-times

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Just uploaded the movie of my Glenn Karch memorial engine run to YouTube
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrvzvPuX5Y
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Nov  7 20:28:03 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:28:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002e01ca602b$dd13c100$4d644b47@mikecomp>

I ran my 5hp Economy today for Glenn.  Happy trails ole buddy.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Keith:
>
> I ran my Jack of All Trades (Don't have an Evansville-built engine) today 
> for Glenn.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Keith
>> Kinney
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Cc: ATIS
>> Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Nov  7 21:01:21 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:01:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <2A2AE958-2351-43EC-9E8B-D9AEF1207584@herculesengines.com>

Glenn's funeral was very nice. The Minister started out the service by  
saying something along the lines of...."We are hear to celebrate the  
life of Glenn Karch. As we speak engine collectors all over the world  
are running their engines as a tribute to Glenn...." He went on to  
conduct a service befitting the man we knew.
Glenn's family signed onto Smokstak last night to view the thread  
posted there and were very grateful for the kind words expressed. I'll  
copy all of the posts here and send them to them too.
After the service and a nice lunch at the church my wife and I started  
three engines in Glenn's honor. They were a 4 HP Sparta Model A  
Economy, a 1 HP Sparta Model CX Economy and a 1.5 HP Model E Hercules.
Keith

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  8 03:59:00 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:59:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch Memorial Engine Run
Message-ID: <110820091159.23746.4AF6B283000EDF0200005CC2223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I ran my 2hp Herc. & 2hp Economy as well as my Uller for the first time since getting her home.
We will all miss you Glenn!
Curt & Becky Andree

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  8 05:39:08 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:39:08 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
Message-ID: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>

While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most countries.
PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any English. 8^(
http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  8 06:27:41 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>

Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web page.
http://www.old-engine.ch

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:39 AM, Dave Croft wrote:

> While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
> I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most  
> countries.
> PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any  
> English. 8^(
> http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
> I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  8 06:37:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:37:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
	<77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C20A0216-9638-4F1F-BBCE-25322A067E16@rustyiron.com>

Sorry about that.  I pasted the wrong URL.
Try this one:
http://translate.google.com

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web  
> page.
> http://www.old-engine.ch



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  8 08:44:30 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:44:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid><77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
	<C20A0216-9638-4F1F-BBCE-25322A067E16@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca6092$c14c1140$42920556@intrepid>

Thanks very much, Rob. That seems to help a lot.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections


> Sorry about that.  I pasted the wrong URL.
> Try this one:
> http://translate.google.com
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>> Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web  
>> page.
>> http://www.old-engine.ch
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov  8 14:10:01 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:10:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5bf909a74cf72c09bddc924804fef328.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Keith,

On Saturday I ran my 4 hp Robertsonville engine as this is one that has a connection
to Glenn for me.  When I got the engine much of the fuel system plumbing was
missing.  A post to the list got a reply from Glenn.  He explained that the
Robertsonville was a Canadian copy of the Waterloo Boy engines and as such would
have had the Wittry patent mixer.  He referred to it as a "slobber mixer" due to the
way that you primed it for starting.  He gave me the patent number references for
the mixer.  This helped me to sort out the plumbing / starting issues.

He also explained that the town of Robersonville was only about 50 miles from the
town of Plesseville in Canada where they made copies of the Hercules line of
engines.  He said that no one knew if the Canadians built these engines under some
sort of license arrangement or if they just stole the good American engine ideas.
8-))

>From his regular Hercules column in Gas Engine Magazine and from comments from
friends in the hobby I knew that Glenn was the Hercules guru; he "wrote the book(s)"
so to speak.  The information on the Robertsonville was my introduction to how broad
and deep Glenn's knowledge of old engines was in general.  Over the years Glenn
would continue to amaze and amuse me with his engine stories; either about some
really obscure aspect of a particular unusual engine, or one of his "That reminds me
of when..." which was usually the lead in to a great story of his days with the
Pioneer Seed Company when he would be offered old engines in exchange for seed or
just have them given to him because he had knowledge and expressed interest.

I also got a real kick out of Glenn coming back to the SEL area at Coolspring or
Portland or SIAM with a huge grin on his face and all excited because he had just
seen something new in the way of an engine feature or obsure Hercules part and he
just couldn't wait to share the discovery.  He was like a little kid who just found
his Easter basket.

Some of the greatest enjoyment came each year when Glenn would run the Charity
Auction at the Portland Thursday night SEL dinner at the Back Forty.  Glenn liked to
make block puzzles with GEM covers as the pictures.  These would obviously generate
some pretty passionate bidding if one of your prized engines happened to be one of
the selected covers for a given puzzle.  I remember one particular auction where a
well known real estate tycoon used his VERY deep pockets to outbid (and reduce to
tears) a VERY sweet young girl who was trying to buy her daddy a present.  Poor
Glenn was nearly reduced to tears himself by this behavior; but he soldiered on and
finished the auction.  He even managed to keep the tycoon from being lynched by the
unruly crowd.  The names of the key players are withheld; but THEY know who they
are.  8-)))

Glenn was one of a kind.  I'll really miss him.  I really hope that Marion continues
to attend the SIAM show (and possibly Portland) to stay in contact with the engine
folks.  It has been wonderful to see Ria Hammink continuing to attend Nuenen after
John died and staying in touch with her friends in the old engine hobby.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, November 4, 2009 12:49 pm, Keith Kinney wrote:
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>




From clemsweller at etczone.com  Sun Nov  8 16:34:49 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:34:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <001401ca60d4$750c6400$5f252c00$@com>

Yesterday, I fired my 7 HP Waterloo Boy in memory of Glenn.  I don?t know
that I had the pleasure of meeting Glenn other than references about and
from him here on the list.  

 

I chose the Waterloo Boy simply due to the fact that the Webster magneto
that came with it when I got it this past labor day was no good.  So, to run
the engine after I replaced the rings, honed the cylinder, I ?borrowed? a
Webster mag off of my 2 ? hp Hercules to make sure the engine ran before
rebuilding the original mag.  She ran like a top!

My condolences to the family and all the friends of Glenn.  From what I have
seen and heard, we lost a true friend to the hobby.

 

Chuck



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov  8 18:06:49 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:06:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <20091108.180746.28560.9072@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all. 
Saturday our club was invited to a small show, my 7 hp Economy ran for
seven hours without a miss.  Many thanks to Glenn for his help in
pinpointing the year and for other help getting it going properly.  I
have his book with signature, and will think of him every time I run the
engine.
He will be missed.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  8 18:53:20 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:53:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<5bf909a74cf72c09bddc924804fef328.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <999A9F84B15A4771AD3137B7C7E07A7B@PAUL>

Keith, unfortunately I did not have an engine to start and run in honor of 
Glenn as I had none. I honored my friend by stopping what I was doing 
Saturday, offer up prayers for Glenn's wife and family and then spend time 
thinking of the times I got to see Glenn.

I, like many, enjoyed seeing Glenn at Portland back when I was able to go 
and as Arnie as so aptly put it we all enjoyed him being the auctioneer.

Other than these times I dwelled on the time that, my now departed engine 
buddy, Bill Miller, and I came to your house. Bill and I spent the night in 
your log cabin as the following day we were going to go and pick up a flat 
belt driven combination woodworking machine that I had purchased from a 
local doctor in Evansville. You and Glenn chose to take time from your 
families to take Bill and I around to all of the local engine collectors and 
visit with them and see their collections with ouy last stop being at 
Glenn's house. I remember how awed I was to see his large collection of 
engines and I was busy snapping pictures as fast as I could. It was very 
cold that night and ole Bill was about to freeze to death out in Glenn's 
metal shed where all of his engines were stored but I was so fascinated with 
the collection I hardly noticed the cold. While there I had seen this old 
garden tractor that I really wanted and I ask Glenn about it and he 
indicated he would sell it but that was as far as it went.

Glenn took us inside of his house and showed us some other interesting 
things he collected and made.

After seeing Glenn's collection, you and Glenn took us to the log cabin 
restuarant for dinner. It was such a nice time and such a nice visit.

Later I called Glenn and he said he would take a $100 for the old garden 
tractor and for me to come and get it. I hooked up a trailer and I drove to 
Evansville by myself and drove straight to Glenn's house and he and you help 
me load it. It was very hot that day but we got it loaded and I left. To my 
recollection this was the last time I ever saw my friend as 2001 was the 
last time I ever attended the engine show at Portland.

I still have a special shop towel that Glenn gave me and it is very special 
to me as it reminds me of him everytime I see it. I have it stored in a 
drawer that I have to oppen each day and it always reminds me of Glenn.

Glenn was a specila person, not only to his wife and family but to hundreds 
of others all over the World and he will be missed sorely. My prayers and 
thoughs will continue to be with Glenn's family and my prayer will be that 
God will grant them the peace that surpasses all understanding.

Paul 




From george at irontrader.com  Sun Nov  8 19:29:05 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:29:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <000001ca60ec$cabf1830$603d4890$@com>

Dave,

Thanks for posting this site.  I've already visited many of the sites that
were listed and have visted some of the collections that had links from that
site.  However, there were a few new ones that I found through this site
that may be ones to add to my 2011 trip.

Thanks.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:39 AM
To: atis
Cc: Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections

While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most countries.
PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any English. 8^(
http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Mon Nov  9 07:34:12 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:34:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BFF131AE-2601-49C2-AC1F-FCC7526AEFA4@windstream.net>

Keith,

Our tribute to Glenn was a little delayed.  Lincoln is a very  
compassionate young man and he thought the world of Glenn.  Like all  
of us, he's followed all of the news about Glenn's battle and has been  
very saddened that it was a battle that he would ultimately loose.   
When you sent out the email that Glenn had passed away, I decided to  
not tell Lincoln because Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were his  
semester finals and I figured he needed to be focused solely on  
those.  Saturday was an all day marathon for his band's state  
semifinals so I put it off another day.  Yesterday as our weekend  
wound down we all talked about Glenn and how much he meant to us and  
what a wonderful man he was.  We also talked about the email that you  
sent out about Glenn's funeral and that folks around the world ran  
engines on Saturday to honor Glenn's life.  Lincoln decided that it  
was better late than never so he went out and fired up the Famous and  
we listened to her chuff as we thought of all of the good times that  
we've had talking with Glenn at SIAM, Portland and Coolsprings and how  
much he will be missed but never forgotten.

Take care,
Mike
______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:52:48 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:52:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <BFF131AE-2601-49C2-AC1F-FCC7526AEFA4@windstream.net>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W12B61B980064BEB6CED20AC2AC0@phx.gbl>


Here is what I ran in tribute to Glenn this weekend

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/gasenginetom#p/a/u/0/Ql2rNWFDYL0

 

http://gasenginetom.com/4_HP_Famous_hopper_cooled.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
 		 	   		  
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov 10 02:48:37 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:48:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] R&V and other engine parts for sale
Message-ID: <25D16065A75B46ECBDC6EB440AA7C944@peterlowe>

Hi all
You guys can run with this on your own, contact details are below.
Regards
Peter





Dear Peter,
Thank you, again, for advertising my father's R&V (the L series listed on 
your site). http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm
My mother lowered the price to $8,000. In addition, you may post her phone 
number on the advertisement - 314.392.3240. She lives in Eldon, Mo. and her 
name is Berniece Adcock.

She also has a lot of parts for sale. If you believe there is interest, I 
may forward a list to you.
Thanks so much, Lana Poole




From brice.atis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 03:16:19 2009
From: brice.atis at gmail.com (Brice Adams)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:16:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <a38bf8610911110316u3f64f32fk8758eb605905eacb@mail.gmail.com>

I've been out of touch for a while and discovered last night we have lost
Glenn.

Glenn was kind and joyful and always helpful.

I'll think of him each time I start the Economy, or any engine.

Brice


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 12 05:04:46 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:04:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dave Ernst (O.T.)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091112145057.00ad5120@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Once again apologies for using the lists for this.

         Is anyone on the in touch with Dave Ernst in Nevada <shop at cccomm.net>.

         I've got a brass plate ready for him but am not getting replies 
from the above e-mail address. I need his postal address so that I can send 
it to him.

         Any help appreciated.
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 15:14:05 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:14:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <475753.18896.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Q-1:? Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud?? I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.?
Q-2 (OT)? Who among us is the beekeeper?? Please reply off-line.? Thanks, Bill: wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp? 





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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 13 15:30:02 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:30:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
In-Reply-To: <475753.18896.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091113183002.P7A1L.8565090.root@mp12>

---- William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Q-1:? Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud?? I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.?

Laquer thinner or acetone.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 14 07:08:57 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:08:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
Message-ID: <20091114.100857.22221.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

I've always used Denatured Alchohol to clean out old gas tanks and carburetors.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


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Subject: Re: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:30:02 -0800

---- William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Q-1:?  Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud??  I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.? 

Laquer thinner or acetone.

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 15 13:15:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:15:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you magnificent people,
	The lists have been a bit quiet of late (seems to happen often these days).

	Anyway, here is what I've been up to lately. That Lister 5-1 (Radiator 
cooled).

	To recap. This engine was one of two that I managed to obtain from a 
scrappie who had bought a "job lot" from our (once great) South African 
Railways. I kept one and my friend George Botha took the other. The idea 
was to be able to show these two engines together at shows (or Rallies or 
whatever you choose to call then in "your neck of the woods"). They had 
spent their working life together and it was only right that they spent 
their "forever" retirement together!!!

	Well, we decided that a great "debut" would be at our friend, Neville 
Botha's, Annual Engine Day. (Neville and George are not related).

	I've spent all my "spare time" for a few months getting mine ready. Well, 
Neville's Day is now less than 2 weeks hence (28th Novenber).

	This past weekend has been very productive for me. One of the reasons 
being that I could "get on with the job" - I never had any calls from 
"friends" or "others" who, because they had nothing to do, felt it 
necessary to share their "nothing to do" with me. I got so much done this 
weekend that I've even amazed myself.

	A small explanation - I like to clean and paint every bolt, nut, and every 
other small part before I start to assemble the engine.
	This weekend I "did that" and am now very close to my goal.

	Tonight at about 8:30 pm I had reached the stage where I could say "I'm 
nearly there" but then I found a polythene bag with "something else". It 
was the "oil pump".

	This turned out to be a casting  covered in
	a) Many layers of paint.
	b) many layers of grease, old oil and soot.

	I'm sorry that I did not take a photograph at that time but here is one of 
what it looks like now:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/oilpump.jpg>

	Is this not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?

	As previously mentioned, I am not going to "slick" this engine but just 
going to restore it to what it looked like when it left the factory 
(grinding marks and all). Now, the problem is that Lister painted this part 
(and everything else) Mid Brunswick Green.

	I'm going to deviate from the rules here - this part will remain the 
brass/bronze colour it is. I will not paint it as the original manufacturer 
(Lister) did. I will also not polish it before every show - rather, it 
grows it's patina with pride.

	Any comments or votes from the community ?

Keep well,

Jerry
















From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 15 14:38:34 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:38:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKELKIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

That is a lovely oil pump!  Now, show us what the REST of the engine looks like!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 03:16 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Nov 15 13:57:54 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:57:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <046f01ca663e$afcec690$8335c53e@doc>

I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)

Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 15 November 2009 21:16
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
> 
> Hi all you magnificent people,
> 	The lists have been a bit quiet of late (seems to 
> happen often these days).
> 
> 	Anyway, here is what I've been up to lately. That 
> Lister 5-1 (Radiator 
> cooled).
> 
> 	To recap. This engine was one of two that I managed to 
> obtain from a 
> scrappie who had bought a "job lot" from our (once great) 
> South African 
> Railways. I kept one and my friend George Botha took the 
> other. The idea 
> was to be able to show these two engines together at shows 
> (or Rallies or 
> whatever you choose to call then in "your neck of the 
> woods"). They had 
> spent their working life together and it was only right that 
> they spent 
> their "forever" retirement together!!!
> 
> 	Well, we decided that a great "debut" would be at our 
> friend, Neville 
> Botha's, Annual Engine Day. (Neville and George are not related).
> 
> 	I've spent all my "spare time" for a few months getting 
> mine ready. Well, 
> Neville's Day is now less than 2 weeks hence (28th Novenber).
> 
> 	This past weekend has been very productive for me. One 
> of the reasons 
> being that I could "get on with the job" - I never had any calls from 
> "friends" or "others" who, because they had nothing to do, felt it 
> necessary to share their "nothing to do" with me. I got so 
> much done this 
> weekend that I've even amazed myself.
> 
> 	A small explanation - I like to clean and paint every 
> bolt, nut, and every 
> other small part before I start to assemble the engine.
> 	This weekend I "did that" and am now very close to my goal.
> 
> 	Tonight at about 8:30 pm I had reached the stage where 
> I could say "I'm 
> nearly there" but then I found a polythene bag with 
> "something else". It 
> was the "oil pump".
> 
> 	This turned out to be a casting  covered in
> 	a) Many layers of paint.
> 	b) many layers of grease, old oil and soot.
> 
> 	I'm sorry that I did not take a photograph at that time 
> but here is one of 
> what it looks like now:
> 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/oilpump.jpg>
> 
> 	Is this not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?
> 
> 	As previously mentioned, I am not going to "slick" this 
> engine but just 
> going to restore it to what it looked like when it left the factory 
> (grinding marks and all). Now, the problem is that Lister 
> painted this part 
> (and everything else) Mid Brunswick Green.
> 
> 	I'm going to deviate from the rules here - this part 
> will remain the 
> brass/bronze colour it is. I will not paint it as the 
> original manufacturer 
> (Lister) did. I will also not polish it before every show - 
> rather, it 
> grows it's patina with pride.
> 
> 	Any comments or votes from the community ?
> 
> Keep well,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 20:43:01 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:43:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update
Message-ID: <C7272385.303C%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have updated the Austral register and pictures at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1109web.htm
There are now 1192 numbers listed.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 05:07:09 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <c0c.6e4f3f7f.3832a87d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/15/2009 4:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Is this  not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?


 
Jerry,  
 
Nice casting not unlike the one on a Famous engine.  The old folks  were 
proud of their workmanship!  Leave it like you now have it!

 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 09:37:40 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:37:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193622.00b094f8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry:
>
>That is a lovely oil pump!  Now, show us what the REST of the engine looks 
>like!
>
>Take care - Elden

Soon Elden - very soon :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 10:18:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:18:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193755.06391850@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>
>I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)
>
>Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?
>
>All the best
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales

Hi Pete,
         Not only where you are - here as well.

         I often recount the story about a small aircooled Lister (fairly 
modern) that resides in my shed and provided parts to restore my Lister LD1.

         It spent it's short working life on a farm in Natal and provided 
water to the farmhouse by pumping it from a small stream a few hundred 
metres from the house. One morning there was no water so the owner went 
down to the stream to start the engine. What he found was an engine that 
had all the aluminium castings and casings smashed off with a hammer - 
aluminium has a reasonable scrap value and one of our indigenous brethren 
has seen fit to smash it to bits for the meagre amount he could sell it to 
the scrappie for. The disgusting part is that he probably only got about 
ZAR 50.00 (our currency) for his efforts but destroyed an engine that cost 
(in those days) ZAR 17,000.00

         Unfortunately this is just one of those things that we have to 
live with in the "New South Africa".

         I often envy my brother who lives in Germany - his "bunch" of keys 
consists of 2 keys - 1 for his car and 1 for his front door. My small bunch 
(the one I carry with me), on the other hand, consists of about 20 keys - 
"only
20 keys I hear someone saying !!) - Yes, but of those 20 keys there are at 
least 8 that unlock "other bunches" of keys.

         For example, that bunch that I carry, only has 2 keys to let me 
into the security gate and back door of my office/workshop. Once inside I 
grab the hidden bunch that allows me to open the door between my office and 
workshop. Once I've opened that, there is another bunch that allows me to 
open my outside workshop doors. The other 18 Keys on my small "Carry bunch" 
have similar functions.

         Enough griping !!

         This Lister 5/1 will be kept under "lock and key"  - probably 
behind at least 20 other keys :-).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 10:27:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:27:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 68, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116201852.00af0a88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:09 EST
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com

>Is this  not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?
>Jerry,
>
>Nice casting not unlike the one on a Famous engine.  The old folks  were
>proud of their workmanship!  Leave it like you now have it!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.co

Hi Tom,
         I do plan to leave it like it is - beautiful !!

         To change the subject - a few years back you promised to send me 
some pics of those beautiful Virginian autumns as seen by you. You did ask 
me to remind you, which I never did but I'm doing it now :-)
         (What's 4 or 5 years between friends ?)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 16 15:35:58 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:35:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193755.06391850@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D7080B@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

Sounds like instead of keys you need an AK-47.
  Jim K.
 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans
Sent: Mon 11/16/2009 1:18 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress



At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>
>I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)
>
>Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?
>
>All the best
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales

Hi Pete,
         Not only where you are - here as well.

         I often recount the story about a small aircooled Lister (fairly
modern) that resides in my shed and provided parts to restore my Lister LD1.

         It spent it's short working life on a farm in Natal and provided
water to the farmhouse by pumping it from a small stream a few hundred
metres from the house. One morning there was no water so the owner went
down to the stream to start the engine. What he found was an engine that
had all the aluminium castings and casings smashed off with a hammer -
aluminium has a reasonable scrap value and one of our indigenous brethren
has seen fit to smash it to bits for the meagre amount he could sell it to
the scrappie for. The disgusting part is that he probably only got about
ZAR 50.00 (our currency) for his efforts but destroyed an engine that cost
(in those days) ZAR 17,000.00

         Unfortunately this is just one of those things that we have to
live with in the "New South Africa".

         I often envy my brother who lives in Germany - his "bunch" of keys
consists of 2 keys - 1 for his car and 1 for his front door. My small bunch
(the one I carry with me), on the other hand, consists of about 20 keys -
"only
20 keys I hear someone saying !!) - Yes, but of those 20 keys there are at
least 8 that unlock "other bunches" of keys.

         For example, that bunch that I carry, only has 2 keys to let me
into the security gate and back door of my office/workshop. Once inside I
grab the hidden bunch that allows me to open the door between my office and
workshop. Once I've opened that, there is another bunch that allows me to
open my outside workshop doors. The other 18 Keys on my small "Carry bunch"
have similar functions.

         Enough griping !!

         This Lister 5/1 will be kept under "lock and key"  - probably
behind at least 20 other keys :-).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 

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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 17:57:52 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:57:52 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <d00.662bbe96.38335d20@aol.com>

are you the same KANGUS that is on TV news????
    Stan Z
                 ps:  I have a little small 1 cyl Lister out in the barn 
(diesel)---fun to  run!   Probably later model--has a 6 volt starter motor on  
it!


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 16 19:20:35 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:20:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
References: <d00.662bbe96.38335d20@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D7080C@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

If you mean Paul Kangas no I'm not him nor am I related to him.
  Jim K.

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are you the same KANGUS that is on TV news????
    Stan Z
                 ps:  I have a little small 1 cyl Lister out in the barn
(diesel)---fun to  run!   Probably later model--has a 6 volt starter motor on 
it!
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 17 02:13:12 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:13:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com><E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
	<47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <2EA9DDD993E4486CAFCFAF0D44A7E769@KerryPC>

Although late, this weekend I finally got to run an engine in honor of Glenn 
Karch, Gary Epps and all departed engine friends.
I ran a Inter 6hp M (no running Herc) at the Luddenham rally with other list 
members.
>From left, me, Ron Sullivan, Liz Sullivan & Cam Grundy.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/temporary15.html

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz 



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Nov 17 03:16:02 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:16:02 +0800
Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATING
Message-ID: <64BD4C52D11C4AA29DF62FF88B2C9E41@armstrong>

I have a Petter 5hp Atomic Diesel Engine s/n 223976, can any one advise date of production

regard
Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 06:10:08 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:10:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <be5.64ce3928.383408c0@aol.com>

Oh gee thanks Jim!   
          Well,  now we can get back to the old Listers--LOL!
   Stan Z
Pleasanton, Tx


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Nov 17 20:05:59 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:05:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch
Message-ID: <DACBF8AE-1516-480A-A4BF-1D06ADAC835F@me.com>

Hi All,
	I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if  
I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent  
to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and  
REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the  
foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an  
engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as  
the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the  
funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!  
She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other  
cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
	Dave



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov 17 19:55:58 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:55:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch
References: <DACBF8AE-1516-480A-A4BF-1D06ADAC835F@me.com>
Message-ID: <000401ca6803$09f85260$4d644b47@mikecomp>

Thanks Dave, we all appreciate your part in helping us honor our fellow 
engine friend.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch


> Hi All,
> I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if
> I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent
> to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and
> REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the
> foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an
> engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as
> the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the
> funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!
> She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other
> cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
> Dave
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 02:46:37 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
Message-ID: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG

Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 18 03:13:05 2009
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:13:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBED8C1EB4414A82ABB17EF5C936316C@shack>

Good one Patrick

Alan


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 9:47 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs

I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG

Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 03:42:15 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:42:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111820091142.14035.4B03DD97000E60E8000036D3223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thats real nice Patrick...........but when are you going to finally paint the old one to match your two new ones??????????
Curt
-------------- Original message from Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>: -------------- 


> I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping 
> they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG 
> 
> Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone 
> Leichhardt NSW 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html 
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Nov 18 05:08:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:08:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>

Hi Curt,
	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of  
getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble  
with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM  
from a List member!
	Dave


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 04:52:19 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:52:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
Message-ID: <cf5.6181fa81.38354803@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/18/2009 6:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

I am  hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to  rallies


In addition to a larger trailer, you will probably need a larger towing  
vehicle too!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 07:20:10 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:20:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEMJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Make sure to go out and get a new hernia truss before taking 'em to a rally!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick
> Livingstone
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 04:47 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine
> Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Nov 18 10:33:10 2009
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:33:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn's Flowers
Message-ID: <EA3F813618BC4A0BB552964D3B6659E0@joe5599c86d812>

Dave,

You are a gentleman and a scholar.  Thanks for your efforts on Glenn's behalf.  We'll miss him.

Joe

Hi All,
I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if  
I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent  
to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and  
REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the  
foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an  
engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as  
the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the  
funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!  
She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other  
cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
Dave


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 19 13:00:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:00:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
References: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
Message-ID: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> Hi Curt,
> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> 	Dave


Thanks Dave!

For our friends across the ponds who may not receive GEM, here are the
photos prepared for the article with some descriptions beside them.

So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson engines known to exist. It
would be great if some readers of GEM identified some others. That would
be pretty exciting.

At the bottom of this link are two videos. They aren't great, but this was
the highest resolution my old digital camera would take. One details the
skip mechanism while the engine is running. You can see the small electric
solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the skip mechanism. The other
shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing a large Poplar log. A
very fun day indeed!
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>

The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
going.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 13:19:35 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:19:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <c2c.6c24e0c1.38371067@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/19/2009 4:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

A GREAT  article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) 


I wish my GEM would hurry up and get here!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 19 14:29:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:29:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the whole story and it's an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?

Even if the original design was very flawed, I think it should be kept original especially if it's the only one known to exist.

Am I missing something here?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> 
> 
> > Hi Curt,
> > 	A GREAT article in GEM this month 
> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> > getting the engine in running shape after all 
> the years of trouble
> > with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to 
> read something in GEM
> > from a List member!
> > 	Dave
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave!
> 
> For our friends across the ponds who may not 
> receive GEM, here are the
> photos prepared for the article with some 
> descriptions beside them.
> 
> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson 
> engines known to exist. It
> would be great if some readers of GEM identified 
> some others. That would
> be pretty exciting.
> 
> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They 
> aren't great, but this was
> the highest resolution my old digital camera 
> would take. One details the
> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You 
> can see the small electric
> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the 
> skip mechanism. The other
> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing 
> a large Poplar log. A
> very fun day indeed!
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>

The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
going.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 19 13:58:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:58:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <A5CC91E6-1024-4626-BC87-EF09303B989D@me.com>

Hi Elden, You are missing the point that it's better to learn about a  
subject PRIOR to inserting both feet in your mouth!
	Dave

On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Curt:
>
> I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the whole story and it's  
> an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?
>
> Even if the original design was very flawed, I think it should be  
> kept original especially if it's the only one known to exist.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of
>> curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
>>
>>
>>> Hi Curt,
>>> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month
>> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
>>> getting the engine in running shape after all
>> the years of trouble
>>> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to
>> read something in GEM
>>> from a List member!
>>> 	Dave
>>
>>
>> Thanks Dave!
>>
>> For our friends across the ponds who may not
>> receive GEM, here are the
>> photos prepared for the article with some
>> descriptions beside them.
>>
>> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson
>> engines known to exist. It
>> would be great if some readers of GEM identified
>> some others. That would
>> be pretty exciting.
>>
>> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They
>> aren't great, but this was
>> the highest resolution my old digital camera
>> would take. One details the
>> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You
>> can see the small electric
>> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the
>> skip mechanism. The other
>> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing
>> a large Poplar log. A
>> very fun day indeed!
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
> Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
> going.
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 19 16:43:23 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:43:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
	<59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <78B66DC2-A54A-443A-BFBB-5C9490179852@me.com>

> The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
> Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
> going.
>
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt, Is the Senator wanted for something? I notice he keeps his  
face hidden the whole time!
	Dave
PS, GREAT documentation (as usual!)


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 19 18:22:46 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:22:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CDA2AD425FCD4FB68DE7081C0637A44D@DBTOA000>


I agree Dave.  Great article.  I remember Curt posting on the SEL quite
a while back about this engine and seeking info.  These are the type
articles GEM needs.

Tommy Turner





> Hi Curt,
> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job
of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> 	Dave



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 20 07:37:21 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:37:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <A5CC91E6-1024-4626-BC87-EF09303B989D@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENHIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Brother Dave:

"Both feet in my mouth??!!"  BOTH of em??  You're such a diplomat!  "Hoof-in-mouth disease" is not an unknown thing with me but you have the advantage in that you actually got your copy of GEM.  From what I read in the post, which to date is my only source of information on the subject, I assumed (you know what that means!) the engine had been tampered with.  Am I wrong?

As a matter of fact, I don't mind that much.  After all, the engine doesn't belong to me and the owner is free to do whatever he pleases with it. 

I will add (20/20 hindsight, okay?) that, if the engine was modified in a way that it could be completely (and undetectably) taken back to original, I wouldn't mind at all.

Anyhoo - I await the article so I can get in on the inside dope. 

Oh yes - Curt:  
If the mods were designed and executed by you, I have to compliment you on your ingenuity!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, You are missing the point that it's 
> better to learn about a  
> subject PRIOR to inserting both feet in your mouth!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Curt:
> >
> > I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the 
> whole story and it's  
> > an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?
> >
> > Even if the original design was very flawed, I 
> think it should be  
> > kept original especially if it's the only one 
> known to exist.
> >
> > Am I missing something here?
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> curt at rustyiron.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Curt,
> >>> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month
> >> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> >>> getting the engine in running shape after all
> >> the years of trouble
> >>> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to
> >> read something in GEM
> >>> from a List member!
> >>> 	Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks Dave!
> >>
> >> For our friends across the ponds who may not
> >> receive GEM, here are the
> >> photos prepared for the article with some
> >> descriptions beside them.
> >>
> >> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson
> >> engines known to exist. It
> >> would be great if some readers of GEM identified
> >> some others. That would
> >> be pretty exciting.
> >>
> >> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They
> >> aren't great, but this was
> >> the highest resolution my old digital camera
> >> would take. One details the
> >> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You
> >> can see the small electric
> >> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the
> >> skip mechanism. The other
> >> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing
> >> a large Poplar log. A
> >> very fun day indeed!
> >> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> > arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>
> >
> > The fellow running the controls on the saw mill 
> carriage is NC State
> > Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to 
> have his saw mill up and
> > going.
> >
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 20 07:38:24 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:24 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <20091120.103824.25820.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

Gee guys,  I feel so left out.  I haven't received my GEM yet !


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:22:46 -0500



I agree Dave.  Great article.  I remember Curt posting on the SEL quite
a while back about this engine and seeking info.  These are the type
articles GEM needs.

Tommy Turner





> Hi Curt,
> A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job
of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> Dave

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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 21:50:35 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:50:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <C72DCADB.312A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 22:40:44 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:40:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <111820091142.14035.4B03DD97000E60E8000036D3223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <C72DD69C.312D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I now have 5 R&Vs waiting to be painted but the silver 1hp is first in line
when I make a start. We are currently painting the front of the house but
the fence is getting painted Brunswick Green :)


On 18/11/09 10:42 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Thats real nice Patrick...........but when are you going to finally paint the
> old one to match your two new ones??????????
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from Patrick Livingstone
> <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>: --------------
> 
> 
>> I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
>> they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG
>> 
>> Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 21 07:01:04 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:01:04 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <20091121.100104.17097.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Patrick,
Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
I didn't see any smoke.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:50:35 +1100

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 13:27:52 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:27:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
In-Reply-To: <20091121.100104.17097.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C72EA688.3142%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Joe,
Due to the weather conditions there is a total fire ban for most of the
eastern part of Oz and that included the steamers. It is predicted to be 41c
(105f) with high winds today. It was sad that they could not steam but
safety first.


On 22/11/09 2:01 AM, "jlb94 at juno.com" <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
> I didn't see any smoke.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
> (_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
>                 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 21 13:44:31 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:44:31 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <20091121.164431.3812.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Patrick,
I was not aware of the temp and the dryness.  I can understand.   
There were many really nice steamers that I've never seen before and they all seem to be in excellent condition.
Most we see here in Pennsylvania are Frick - Rumley - Case - Geiser - etc.
Each show I go to seems to have less & less steam.  I guess because the laws are getting strict and the inspections are tougher.  Plus - If you need boiler work done, it has to be done by a "S" stamp shop.  Meaning the shop is approved & certified to perform the work.   No more 
do-it-yourself.
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:27:52 +1100

Hi Joe,
Due to the weather conditions there is a total fire ban for most of the
eastern part of Oz and that included the steamers. It is predicted to be 41c
(105f) with high winds today. It was sad that they could not steam but
safety first.


On 22/11/09 2:01 AM, "jlb94 at juno.com" <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
> I didn't see any smoke.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
> (_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
>                 



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 22 05:19:21 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:19:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] We find our engines in strange places.
In-Reply-To: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <502957.61317.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What is really, really sad Dave, is just how you happened to find that engine.
Please tell us how many of those silly cartoon videos you watch per day.
8>)))
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: We find our engines in strange places.
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 7:37 AM


See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9XHQE7satc
The problem appears half way through.
Well at this time of year we have to find engines where we can. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 22 07:36:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:36:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] We find our engines in strange places.
In-Reply-To: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
References: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <427f1953f9ed39e4e1e339c57abe8046.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Brilliant!

On Sun, November 22, 2009 7:37 am, Dave Croft wrote:
> See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9XHQE7satc
> The problem appears half way through.
> Well at this time of year we have to find engines where we can. 8^)




From adamandtammy at live.com.au  Sun Nov 22 15:27:46 2009
From: adamandtammy at live.com.au (Adam and Tammy Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:57:46 +1030
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>


test 		 	   		  
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From adamandtammy at live.com.au  Sun Nov 22 17:55:12 2009
From: adamandtammy at live.com.au (Adam and Tammy Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:25:12 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Bentall Pioneer Magneto Wanted
Message-ID: <SNT103-W304C842C2E53D3552495D1979E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Everyone,
                  we are looking for a mag and gear to suit a Bentall Pioneer to complete the restoration does anyone have a spare for sale?
 
regards,
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 23 03:59:56 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:59:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New manual uploaded
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123131818.028a7e00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Sometime in the last few months someone (Brad ??) was enquiring 
about a Bamford EG. I was fortunate enough to get scanned pages of a manual 
from Andy Selfe this weekend. It is now .pdf'd and on my website available 
for download.
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 23 08:31:32 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:31:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Dolly,
	There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary Engine mag. 
Is it yours"
keep well,
Jerry



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 23 15:40:47 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:40:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D70817@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

got it in New England
  Jim K.

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Nov 23 21:36:10 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:36:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read
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Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information :

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and
one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to
ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil
does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more
than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only
scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a
revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in
this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota , western South Dakota , and
extreme eastern Montana ...... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe
Bay,and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign
oil.
The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion
barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable..... at $107 a barrel,
we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5....3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see
their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana
Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found
in the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a
formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly 
referred to as the
'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and
into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead
end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells
decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up
the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500
billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions 
of barrels
will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years
straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one
should - because it's from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the
largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION
barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In
three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this
motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders,
than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the
environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America
become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of
people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in
this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION
barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in
the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think
again!
It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to... Think OPEC just
might be funding the environmentalists?

Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you
should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by
doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

--------

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you
sent this to every one in your address book.

By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!

GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

<http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911>http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
<http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911>





From obise at moscow.com  Tue Nov 24 06:31:27 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:31:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read
In-Reply-To: <20091124053609.020F43B416D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>
	<20091124053609.020F43B416D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <45B37A6EDC4046DC9970779FE0C469DB@CathyComp>

All the oil in the world does us no good if it cannot be pumped out of the
ground; this is the main problem with that in the Bakken Formation.  Far
from it be a new and recently discovery, a half century ago there was
drilling activity in western North Dakota and eastern Montana, but it was no
bonanza.  Now, with the ability to drill horizontally, some of the Bakken
oil can be retrieved.  Even with this innovation, much of the Bakken oil
will stay where it is, probably forever.  If you do not read the entire
Wikipedia entry linked below, everyone should at least read this:

"While these numbers would appear to indicate a massive reserve, the
percentage of this oil which might be extracted using current technology is
another matter. Estimates of the Bakken's technically recoverable oil have
ranged from as low as 1% - because the Bakken shale has generally low
porosity and low permeability, making the oil difficult to extract - to
Leigh Price's estimate of 50% recoverable.[11] Reports issued by both the
USGS and the state of North Dakota in April 2008 seem to indicate the lower
range of recoverable estimates are more realistic with current technology."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:36 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World





From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 24 08:41:33 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:41:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Jerry

We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been 
out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old 
pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
Here's the real one:
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg

Dolly

Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi Dolly,
> 	There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary Engine mag. 
> Is it yours"
> keep well,
> Jerry
>
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Nov 24 09:35:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:35:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1259082002.32373.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091124193202.02e704c0@mail.atech.co.za>

I Helen,
         Am imposter it is - Maytag twin and nowhere near as pretty as 
Margaret. I've scanned the page and sent you as low res pic off list.
Jerry

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:41:33 +0000
>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <4B0C0CBD.1040602 at insulate.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi Jerry
>
>We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been
>out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old
>pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
>Here's the real one:
>http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg
>
>Dolly
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi Dolly,
> >       There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary 
> Engine mag.
> > Is it yours"
> > keep well,
> > Jerry



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 24 09:56:47 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:56:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>

Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark


At 11:41 AM 11/24/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Jerry
>
>We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been
>out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old
>pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
>Here's the real one:
>http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg
>
>Dolly
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi Dolly,
> >       There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November 
> Stationary Engine mag.
> > Is it yours"
> > keep well,
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 24 10:28:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:28:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
	<20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <3ac8512dbbc09a493519fc3b66014a7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

An EVIL twin no doubt...

On Tue, November 24, 2009 12:56 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 24 10:47:13 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:47:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
	<20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4B0C2A31.3030506@insulate.co.uk>

Never!  Some engines are like their owners - one of a kind!

Thanks for the scan Jerry, nice shade of purple, but no flowers and 
bees.  Definately an imposter!

Dolly

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
>
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 25 09:26:21 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:26:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259168402.31834.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091125192238.02241b68@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 25/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:56:47 -0500
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <20091124175647.25E1590EF at smtp.wcoil.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark


Hi Mark,
         Good "play on words" that - no, it was not Margaret - but it was 
an imposter and a "twin" to whit - Margaret is a "single" in more ways than 
one :-).


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 25 09:28:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:28:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259168402.31834.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091125192642.02239768@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 25/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:28:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <3ac8512dbbc09a493519fc3b66014a7b.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>An EVIL twin no doubt...
>
>On Tue, November 24, 2009 12:56 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
> >


Arnie - getouttahere !!
but Keep well.
Jerry




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Nov 25 20:01:58 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:01:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] still new engines to be found
Message-ID: <00d401ca6e4d$3555e800$a8d24c0c@D48VHZ61>

 There is definitely old iron still waiting to be discovered. Got a phone 
call last weekend from a fellow that knew I had some old engines. He had 
just gotten a Stover from the building it was installed in new. It seems the 
engine pulled a small lathe, a washing machine and a few other machines via 
a line shaft. The guy that gave it to him is in his mid 90's. He last 
cranked it about 10 years ago. I told him a couple places to get manuals and 
parts if needed as well as give him a brief overview of how things worked 
and what to check in order to get it running. He mentioned painting so I 
suggested to try cleaning with kerosene or diesel to see if the original 
paint was worth keeping. I also suggested photos for tracking pinstriping 
and decals. I also suggested he go back and get the washing machine! His 
main goal is to have it running again so the old gent that gave it to him 
can see it. He told me he had no reason in the world to have it. I promptly 
replied none of the rest of us do either!

John Hall



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 26 07:40:02 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:40:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091126165659.02469600@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Although not quite finished we managed to fire up the Lister 5-1 
today.

         I still have to fit the radiator shroud (cover) and muffler but 
she fired right up today but gave us quite a fright when she raced and the 
cutoff would not work. Neville had the presence of mind to hold the 
decompressor lever in an she eventually died. Fortunately I had the engine 
hitched up to the gantry with a chain hoist just in case something like 
this happened so it could not do anything too nasty like fall over or run 
away - but it was quite frightening for 30 seconds or so :-)

         We stripped the diesel pump and found that the rack was not in the 
right position. Sorted that out and restarted the engine and it ran like a 
dream. I have to sort out the governor spring still but that's not difficult.

         The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need 
some thought as to what to do about them. Although I spent many hours 
cleaning paint and soot out of the radiator as well as getting it clean 
inside I never did a leak test.(duh)

         I've put a picture of the engine running here, (without the 
radiator shroud in place - that will go on tomorrow):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/start1.jpg>

         I still also have to make a trolley for it but that will happen 
over the next month or 2. It will go to it's first show on Saturday just on 
the angle iron base it is now on but I may just extend it a bit for safety.



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Thu Nov 26 11:16:03 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:16:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
Message-ID: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35@HOUSE>

Nice work Jerry, those Lister diesels run so sweetly.
This is the same engine that David Edgington featured in the December
 issue of Stationary Engine?

Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an uncommon problem.
One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, and choke the engine of air. 
Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons after a "bolt"
Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to start running, backwards!

Well done with the restoration- quick work too!

Ted D

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 26 13:00:01 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:00:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
Message-ID: <d12.329407f5.38404651@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/26/2009 10:50:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need 
some  thought as to what to do about them


Are the leaks too bad for some Stop leak?  
 
Glad you got it running and it did not get away during the runaway!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Nov 26 16:29:37 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:29:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>


> Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an uncommon problem.
> One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, and choke the engine of air. 
> Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons after a "bolt"
> Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to start running, backwards!
> 
It's a good idea to have a CO2 extiguisher handy, that will snuff it out without hurting anything.
J.B. Castagnos


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 13:41:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:41:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,

         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in 
celebration.

         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks 
fixed and a trolley).

         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend 
Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open 
Day" an important date on our calendar.

         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost 
collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that 
we all share).

         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with 
me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at 
his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem like 
more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day 
weekend" yet so it was quite tight.

         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD 
just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've 
learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love 
this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored and 
owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I 
love about this hobby:
         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is 
breathtaking.

         b) It is historically significant - development began in about 
1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting 
"Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.

         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built 
stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.

         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing 
their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance 
engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).

         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even 
someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them 
!! (:-)

         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages 
(mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts - 
and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for 
slower running.

         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a 
vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never 
missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator 
with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to 
below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to 
reach those lower parts.

         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are 
still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not 
the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump) 
but was prepared to try anything at that time.

         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of 
soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the 
radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble 
oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the holes 
(leaks).

         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would 
work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water 
pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo 
syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this 
would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on 
top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks 
lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)

         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water 
level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very 
cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing 
this,).

         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.

         Another question:
         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added 
to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
         1) How good is it ?
         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains 
soluble oil).
         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?

         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).

         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it 
in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".

         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
Pic here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
 >




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 13:46:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:46:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259341202.7017.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127234355.00a7e340@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/11/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:00:01 EST
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
>The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need
>some  thought as to what to do about them
>
>
>Are the leaks too bad for some Stop leak?
>
>Glad you got it running and it did not get away during the runaway!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com

Hi Tom,
         Thanks for your answer - see my other post to the list re the 
radiator,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 11:03:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:03:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259341202.7017.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127202224.025e6f58@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:16:03 +1100
>From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35 at HOUSE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Nice work Jerry, those Lister diesels run so sweetly.
>This is the same engine that David Edgington featured in the December
>  issue of Stationary Engine?
>
>Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an 
>uncommon problem.
>One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, 
>and choke the engine of air.
>Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons 
>after a "bolt"
>Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to 
>start running, backwards!
>
>Well done with the restoration- quick work too!
>
>Ted D


Hi Ted,
         Yes it is the same engine David featured in "Engine Torque" 
December issue of SEM. I'll be submitting pics to him of tomorrows show 
where the other 5-1 that I found with this one will be displayed next to 
mine so watch future issues. This has been restored by my friend (and local 
Lister collector/expert) George Botha. He also took the 3 cylinder engine 
mentioned in David's article.

         It's been a bit of a rush but when I found the engines (and wanted 
to keep them both for myself :-)!!) George asked so nicely for one that I 
let him buy it. He needed it to complete his Lister collection. We decided 
that they should be shown next to each other at certain "rallies" because 
they spent their working lives next to each other and it was only right 
that they also spent some retirement time together!

         When I first found the engine I contemplated keeping it in it's 
"working clothes" - those orange and grey "South African Railways" colours. 
Only, on getting it to it's "retirement home", did I discover that the 
paintwork was terrible - many layers of paint brushed on over all sorts of 
grease, grime and soot (it was a standby in a boiler room). I had little 
choice but to have it sandblasted and start from scratch.

         I decided to go for "original" (but did deviate slightly here and 
there - for instance I could not bring myself to paint that beautiful brass 
oil pump green - I wire brushed it (not buffed or polished) and it can now 
develop it's own patina.

         Also, when I started on the engine I decided not to "slick it" as 
I've done with my smaller engines - after sandblasting (which is already 
"non original") I primed and painted it with all original grinding marks 
and casting imperfections left "as is". I did smooth one part and that was 
a small part of the casing where a decal is placed. This was so rough that 
I could foresee problems with getting the decal to stick properly but 
that's all.

         In the rush to finish there are a few minor defects in my painting 
but they will stay and become part of this engines history - I will not say 
"I'll fix them later", it's done and will stay that way :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 27 15:49:11 2009
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:49:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <D0807B189CFD4A45935384CFD0B69CF2@lightning>

Hi Jerry, I have used a pepper grinder to grind course pepper into a tractor 
radiator and it is still holding 3 years on cheers John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show


> Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,
>
>         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in
> celebration.
>
>         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks
> fixed and a trolley).
>
>         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend
> Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open
> Day" an important date on our calendar.
>
>         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost
> collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that
> we all share).
>
>         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with
> me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>
>
>         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at
> his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem 
> like
> more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day
> weekend" yet so it was quite tight.
>
>         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD
> just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've
> learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love
> this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored 
> and
> owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I
> love about this hobby:
>         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is
> breathtaking.
>
>         b) It is historically significant - development began in about
> 1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting
> "Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.
>
>         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built
> stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.
>
>         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing
> their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance
> engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).
>
>         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even
> someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them
> !! (:-)
>
>         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages
> (mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts -
> and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for
> slower running.
>
>         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a
> vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never
> missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator
> with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to
> below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to
> reach those lower parts.
>
>         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are
> still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not
> the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump)
> but was prepared to try anything at that time.
>
>         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the 
> holes
> (leaks).
>
>         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo
> syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
>
>         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water
> level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very
> cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing
> this,).
>
>         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.
>
>         Another question:
>         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
> Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
>         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added
> to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
>         1) How good is it ?
>         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains
> soluble oil).
>         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?
>
>         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).
>
>         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it
> in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".
>
>         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
> Pic here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
> >
>
>
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 27 16:57:29 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:57:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

I've used Barrs Leaks several times with good results.  On a couple of cars, I had heater core leaks and one application of Barrs stopped the leaks permanently (several years and no recurrances).

On my American LaFrance racer, I had the radiator cleaned at a radiator shop.  BIG mistake!  They hot tanked it and it leaked so badly, they wouldn't fix it.  The bottom tank had most of the leaks but the "honeycomb" core also had some.

The shop sent me home with the leaky radiator and a jar of what they called "boiler sealer".  The stuff looked like metal powder and was probably composed of a mixture of bismuth and other low melting point metals.  Their instructions were to put the radiator back on and cover the radiator so the engine would heat-up.  Use a wash tub to collect the leakage so it can be poured back in.

Start the engine and add water until the radiator was full.  After some heat was built-up and after dumping back the leaked water, add the entire contents of the jar (about a liter, I think I remember).

For a while, nothing happened except that the water leaking out of the radiator was real pretty with the silvery metal in it.  It took a few refillings (using a tin can from the wash tub) but, after a while, as the engine got to the boiling point, the leaking slowed and finally stopped.

They said to just leave the stuff in the radiator and I did.  No more leaks - ever.

A few years later, I did drain the radiator and the water was clear.  I dunno where the sealer went but I'm glad it worked.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 03:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
..................snippety-snip........................
> 
>          "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of 
> compressed cork in a solution of 
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that 
> once introduced into the 
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the 
> holes and, as the soluble 
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water 
> and swell to close the holes 
> (leaks).
> 
>          To my inexperienced brain it would 
> appear as though this would 
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor 
> car where there is a water 
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) 
> to circulate . A thermo 
> syphon system is quite different - no force 
> applied. To my thinking, this 
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing 
> medium) to just float on 
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir 
> and never reach the leaks 
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 18:09:26 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:09:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <360407.86444.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup,
All of these suggestions are about pressurized systems which is not what Jerry has.
Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 7:57 PM


Jerry:

I've used Barrs Leaks several times with good results.? On a couple of cars, I had heater core leaks and one application of Barrs stopped the leaks permanently (several years and no recurrances).

On my American LaFrance racer, I had the radiator cleaned at a radiator shop.? BIG mistake!? They hot tanked it and it leaked so badly, they wouldn't fix it.? The bottom tank had most of the leaks but the "honeycomb" core also had some.

The shop sent me home with the leaky radiator and a jar of what they called "boiler sealer".? The stuff looked like metal powder and was probably composed of a mixture of bismuth and other low melting point metals.? Their instructions were to put the radiator back on and cover the radiator so the engine would heat-up.? Use a wash tub to collect the leakage so it can be poured back in.

Start the engine and add water until the radiator was full.? After some heat was built-up and after dumping back the leaked water, add the entire contents of the jar (about a liter, I think I remember).

For a while, nothing happened except that the water leaking out of the radiator was real pretty with the silvery metal in it.? It took a few refillings (using a tin can from the wash tub) but, after a while, as the engine got to the boiling point, the leaking slowed and finally stopped.

They said to just leave the stuff in the radiator and I did.? No more leaks - ever.

A few years later, I did drain the radiator and the water was clear.? I dunno where the sealer went but I'm glad it worked.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 03:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
..................snippety-snip........................
> 
>? ? ? ? ? "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of 
> compressed cork in a solution of 
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that 
> once introduced into the 
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the 
> holes and, as the soluble 
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water 
> and swell to close the holes 
> (leaks).
> 
>? ? ? ? ? To my inexperienced brain it would 
> appear as though this would 
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor 
> car where there is a water 
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) 
> to circulate . A thermo 
> syphon system is quite different - no force 
> applied. To my thinking, this 
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing 
> medium) to just float on 
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir 
> and never reach the leaks 
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Nov 27 18:45:04 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:45:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <734F0A5EF2EE4BB29691D927E85B14EA@shop>

Nice job Jerry!

She sure looks nice.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho 
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:42 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show

Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,

         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in 
celebration.

         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks 
fixed and a trolley).

         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend 
Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open 
Day" an important date on our calendar.

         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost 
collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that 
we all share).

         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with 
me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at 
his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem like 
more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day 
weekend" yet so it was quite tight.

         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD 
just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've 
learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love 
this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored and 
owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I 
love about this hobby:
         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is 
breathtaking.

         b) It is historically significant - development began in about 
1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting 
"Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.

         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built 
stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.

         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing 
their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance 
engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).

         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even 
someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them 
!! (:-)

         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages 
(mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts - 
and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for 
slower running.

         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a 
vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never 
missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator 
with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to 
below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to 
reach those lower parts.

         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are 
still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not 
the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump) 
but was prepared to try anything at that time.

         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of 
soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the 
radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble 
oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the holes 
(leaks).

         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would 
work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water 
pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo 
syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this 
would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on 
top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks 
lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)

         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water 
level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very 
cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing 
this,).

         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.

         Another question:
         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added 
to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
         1) How good is it ?
         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains 
soluble oil).
         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?

         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).

         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it 
in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".

         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
Pic here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
 >



 

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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sat Nov 28 04:33:42 2009
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>
References: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>
Message-ID: <6DF1640871C34D9095B88F95513AF139@EDROOMPC>

All,

I do not restore Stationary Engines but do alot of work on old tractors.  On 
startup for the first time, I keep a CO fire extinguisher next to me.  If a 
mishap occurs, the CO will stop the combustion process (from either end in 
the event of a 2 cycle running backward) and doesn't leave a residue to 
score cylinder walls and gum up the works.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] We got smoke!


>
>> Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an 
>> uncommon problem.
>> One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, 
>> and choke the engine of air.
>> Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons 
>> after a "bolt"
>> Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel 
>> to start running, backwards!
>>
> It's a good idea to have a CO2 extinguisher handy, that will snuff it out 
> without hurting anything.
> J.B. Castagnos
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>
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov 28 09:39:17 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:39:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <360407.86444.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan & Jerry:

The American LaFrance cooling system was not pressurized and the powdered metal "boiler sealer" worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 08:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
> 
> Yup,
> All of these suggestions are about pressurized 
> systems which is not what Jerry has.
> Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
> Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 10:42:23 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:42:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <530717.80449.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Elden.
That is great to know.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 12:39 PM


Alan & Jerry:

The American LaFrance cooling system was not pressurized and the powdered metal "boiler sealer" worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 08:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
> 
> Yup,
> All of these suggestions are about pressurized 
> systems which is not what Jerry has.
> Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
> Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 29 11:25:46 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:25:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT - Great Aircraft pic
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091129210744.00b18968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         This is O.T. but I'm sure many of your would like to see this 
tremendous pic of 2 Boeing 737-300's in close formation. The pic was taken 
by a friend (pilot, collector of cars and other vintage stuff) David Gous.

         The 2 South African Airways Boeings were being piloted by two of 
South Africa's foremost pilots at a recent airshow in South Africa. The 
pilots were "Scully Levin and Pierre Gouws.

         I think it is an incredible pic and hope you guys enjoy it.

Low res version for the "dial uppers" here (1200 x 734 pixels x 40.1KB):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/20090914_865-2.JPG>

Higher res. for others (2342 x 1434 pixels - 268 Kbytes) here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/20090914_865-1.JPG>

Enjoy.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 29 12:15:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:15:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <49F7D927D31142789640379F6D6010F9@livingroom>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091129215725.00b0d0e0@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi John,
         Thanks for the pics and links - I have saved them.
         One question. On the inlet port yours has what looks like a 
silencer (and certainly "something" that was never original). Was this an 
"owner added" unit. There is no reason that a "muffler" would not fit here 
and probably work quite well. These engines were never supplied (by Lister) 
with an "air cleaner" - it was an "optional extra".
         I enjoyed your video - especially the part where you added some 
lumber to hold it in place - you obviously did read my original post about 
mine "racing" at it's first start. Quite frightening.
         You should keep these posts "on list" - because they are "engine 
related" and help to keep the lists active - that's what we are all about!!
         I'm taking the liberty of replying to the lists (of course, 
without the attached pics) and not directly to you. The link to Youtube 
will be visible below.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>






At 01:34 AM 28/11/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>Well done.
>
>Attached are a few shots of my Lister before I bought it.
>
>Also, a link to it on YouTube.com. I'm the camera man and asking the 
>questions.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK89maKIhoY
>
>Regards,
>
>Archibald
>Northfield, Minnesota
>
>.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:41 PM
>Subject: Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
>
>
>>Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,
>>
>>         <very big snip>
>>         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
>>Pic here:
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg> >

<More snipping> 



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Nov 29 12:51:24 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:51:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
Message-ID: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>

I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will  
someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
	Dave


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 29 13:14:06 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:14:06 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
Message-ID: <002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>

Last one I used was 
Peg Pfeiffer
E-mail Address  old_iron at msn.com

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.


>I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will  
> someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
> Dave
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov 29 13:25:29 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:25:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
In-Reply-To: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
Message-ID: <20091129212519.3E5E33B4421@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Dave YES: I'm sure someone will!

At 07:51 AM 30/11/2009, you wrote:
>I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will
>someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
>         Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Nov 29 13:29:45 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:29:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
In-Reply-To: <002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
	<002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <F0A5C70F-4C1B-4BF2-9807-EC5DEC818CE2@me.com>

Thanks Dave, that seems to work just fine!
	Dave

On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> Last one I used was
> Peg Pfeiffer
> E-mail Address  old_iron at msn.com
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
>
>
>> I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will
>> someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
>> Dave
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Sun Nov 29 23:50:18 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:50:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] hi
Message-ID: <4B13793A.9070500@ncbb.net>

do we have a lisst of all the members.   Thought we had one a few years ago.


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 30 01:08:46 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:08:46 -0000
Subject: [SEL] hi
References: <4B13793A.9070500@ncbb.net>
Message-ID: <000e01ca719c$ba630990$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "norman karde" <rustyjnk at ncbb.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] hi


> do we have a lisst of all the members.   Thought we had one a few years ago.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Hi Norman, go to http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel as
shown at the bottom of your post.
Then log in at "SEL Subscribers" with your E Mail address and password 
and you will see all 463 of our Email names!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Nov 30 09:54:06 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>

Hi all this is Jim not Dolly

On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 
miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an  
81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running 
again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve 
has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine 
over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What 
I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a 
clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.  
Any thoughts?

JIM

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Nov 30 10:07:09 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:07:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <1228626542-1259604518-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919548567-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Jim,
I've had good luck with the cast iron welding rods with my stick welder.  I've welded up a couple cracked heads with it and it worked beautifully.

-Tony


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 30 10:11:53 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3784.165.206.180.130.1259604713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
was not visible.
They've been running for a lot of years that way.
I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.

I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
had such good luck brazing...........
Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
else is fancy by comparison!)

Bill

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
> Any thoughts?
>
> JIM
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:31:36 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland )
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:31:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>

Braze works good but paint won't stick to it very well

Tom W
Ohio
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: bill at antique-engines.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:11:53 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
 they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
 grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
 was not visible.
 They've been running for a lot of years that way.
 I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
 etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.
 
 I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
 had such good luck brazing...........
 Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
 but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
 else is fancy by comparison!)
 
 Bill
 
 > Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
 >
 > On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
 > miles from our village that has sat there from new !!? The owner is an
 > 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
 > again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
 > has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
 > over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!? What
 > I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
 > clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
 > Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
 > Any thoughts?
 >
 > JIM
 >
 > --
 > Jim French
 > fbi at insulate.co.uk
 > http://www.insulate.co.uk <http://www.insulate.co.uk> 
 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm <http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> 
 >
 > _______________________________________________
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 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel <http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 30 10:55:57 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:55:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091130185558.39E749228@smtp.wcoil.com>



If you sandblast or grind or sand a braze it helps the paint stick 
issue greatly.  A natural braze surface gives the paint nothing to 
adhere to.   Mark


At 01:31 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote:
>Braze works good but paint won't stick to it very well
>
>Tom W
>Ohio
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:11:53
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
>
>I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
>  they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
>  grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
>  was not visible.
>  They've been running for a lot of years that way.
>  I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
>  etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.
>
>  I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
>  had such good luck brazing...........
>  Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
>  but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
>  else is fancy by comparison!)
>
>  Bill
>
>  > Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>  >
>  > On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
>  > miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
>  > 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
>  > again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
>  > has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
>  > over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
>  > I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
>  > clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
>  > Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
>  > Any thoughts?
>  >
>  > JIM
>  >
>  > --
>  > Jim French
>  > fbi at insulate.co.uk
>  > http://www.insulate.co.uk <http://www.insulate.co.uk>
>  > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm>
>  >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 11:50:52 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:50:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911301150k2a1b114ld8ed2e6f2eb700b6@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/30 Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>:
> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly

Jim:

If you have the thickness of metal in the arm, drill out a core hole
in each half and put a mild steel pin longways in so that when welded
up it will support the break. Rather than an internal splint.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 30 12:50:53 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:50:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>

If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
I do well with them.
Reg..

Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle. NSW. Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
> 
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an  
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running 
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve 
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine 
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What 
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a 
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.  
> Any thoughts?
> 
> JIM
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 30 12:53:55 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:53:55 GMT
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <20091130.155355.28337.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

I had a brazed rocker on my Stover that laster year & years.  Then, one day, it decided NOT to hold anymore.
I was able to buy a new cast rocker from Hit-and-Miss in Orwell.
I would braze the broken rocker and, in the mean time, look for another that isn't broke. 



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: bill at antique-engines.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
was not visible.
They've been running for a lot of years that way.
I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.

I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
had such good luck brazing...........
Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
else is fancy by comparison!)

Bill

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
> Any thoughts?
>
> JIM
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 30 13:24:24 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
	<7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
Message-ID: <A7E7AB531BC94F84AF4EDE75154C49A2@KerryPC>

Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.

Kerry


> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
> I do well with them.
> Reg..



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 30 13:25:37 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:25:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <055AB80F-04E5-4DC7-B2DF-866A98223978@rustyiron.com>

Greetings, Mr. Not Dolly.
There are several options, assuming the metal is good quality and not  
rusted away.  Because the part is simple in shape, I don't think that  
you'll run into problems with stress as a result of uneven cooling.   
Modern nickel rod would work and be easy, but the color would be way  
off.  Brazing would be a better option, if you can live with a color  
mismatch.  If you want a good color match, the best option would be  
cast iron rod. For that, I would prefer a an oxy-acetylene torch over  
SMAW.  I would try to avoid the MIG or stainless.  You'll be able to  
make a strong weld, though, whichever method you choose.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Jim French wrote:

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the  
> engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it  
> is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice  
> job.
> Any thoughts?



From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Mon Nov 30 13:35:52 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:35:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] HI
Message-ID: <4B143AB8.6020305@ncbb.net>

would like the list of people who are joined in the list.  NNK


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 30 13:48:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:48:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
	<A7E7AB531BC94F84AF4EDE75154C49A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BF10B8513C584D0E92CBFDF7A3B5478E@regpc>

I had a couple given to me to try a while back.
I dont have access to the name etc. but the repair I did worked well. I am 
sure a Google search will give clues.
I expect other list folk will have info on the 'new' C/I rods to share. I 
was told they are a lot more 'elastic' on cooling and so dont cause the 
'pull crack'
Thats all I can offer as I dont have the need to do much C/I welding these 
days.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle. NSW. Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
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>> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:32:47 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:32:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
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>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:34:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:34:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
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Message-ID: <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Try ''Super Cast''  or  ''Weld All''.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
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>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:33:40 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:33:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
	<A7E7AB531BC94F84AF4EDE75154C49A2@KerryPC>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
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>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 02:26:04 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:26:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
Message-ID: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I did a bit of wandering over the weekend and brought some of my junk home
after having some work done:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/fmt/DSCF4335.JPG

The Nissan was a little lighter in the steering than usual :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  1 06:13:19 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEGOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Is that a 4 HP Jack of All Trades?

I bet the steering WAS a bit light!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 04:26 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine
> Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  1 07:43:17 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:43:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD599D78183C4E608558A7FC55F08D7E@PAUL>

Good for you Patrick, now tell me what kind of engine you have stashed in 
the back of the Nissan. That one cylinder looks like it has been recently 
machined.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:26 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.


>I did a bit of wandering over the weekend and brought some of my junk home
> after having some work done:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/fmt/DSCF4335.JPG




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 11:10:11 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:10:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bringing junk home.
In-Reply-To: <DD599D78183C4E608558A7FC55F08D7E@PAUL>
Message-ID: <C7142843.2E8B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


The load in the back was my 3hp F-M T and the re-sleeved cylinder from my
3hp Austral.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Nov  2 16:07:19 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:07:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Ideal question
Message-ID: <20091102.160807.1232.73994@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
How do you check for the correct oil level in the crankcase of a 2-2 1/2
hp Ideal  vertical air cooled engine?  There is a stand pipe coming out
of the crankcase with a cap on it, but where should the oil level be? 
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Nov  2 21:18:11 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:18:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Correction
Message-ID: <20091102.211855.1138.78624@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

The question about an Ideal engine should have been for a New Way.  Brain
fart.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 05:13:57 2009
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:13:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
Message-ID: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi,Guys & Gals, 

        I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.
    I was discharched from hospital yesterday afternoon, and I can sure say that it was a real good feeling to be going home after such a short stay in hospital ( as I was originally told I would be lucky if I were home for Christmas) surgery went very well with on fracture being plated and screwed together, the other two will be left to heal naturally.
    It was only decided over the weekend that I should be allowed home so promptly as the surgical team were happy with the out come of the x-rays I received on Friday, and the physio's were also happy with the progress I had made after being allowed up no the Wednesday after progressing from walking with the aid of a lifter frame to a Zimmer on Friday afternoon then on to using elbow crutches on Sunday morning.So it just goes to prove that hard work and determination do help when in hospital as well as all the cards and messages that spurred me on.
    I have a further check up appointment in 6 weeks time, mean while I have some physio work that I can do at home as well as getting about by the aid of crutches as long as I don't put any weight at all through my left leg.



        Thanks for all your kind wishes and cards as it means such allot to me at this time and I take great strength in knowing that so many people care about me, again thanks.

Craig Morrison

From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Nov  3 06:55:32 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:55:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEHJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Craig:

Congratulations on your recent graduation from hospital to home!

Just try to be more careful in the future, okay?    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of craig
> morrison
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 07:14 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital




From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 05:55:09 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:55:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
Message-ID: <c89.51ef7928.3821903d@aol.com>

Hey Craig--
  really don't know what happened, BUT---I been there  too---YUK!  I wish 
you all the good luck---    bet you are  ready to CRANK an engine soon---, ha!
 Stan Zettner---(old Stovers)
 Pleasanton, Texas


From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov  3 06:43:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:43:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <82353A0B-44FF-4924-BCF1-2C37BFED9A28@rustyiron.com>

Glad you're home and doing well, mate.  I suppose that means the  
Estate Auction is now cancelled?

Rob



On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:13 AM, craig morrison wrote:

> Hi,Guys & Gals,
>
>        I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the  
> kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf  
> at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many  
> peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.
>    I was discharched from hospital yesterday afternoon, and I can  
> sure say that it was a real good feeling to be going home after such  
> a short stay in hospital ( as I was originally told I would be lucky  
> if I were home for Christmas) surgery went very well with on  
> fracture being plated and screwed together, the other two will be  
> left to heal naturally.
>    It was only decided over the weekend that I should be allowed  
> home so promptly as the surgical team were happy with the out come  
> of the x-rays I received on Friday, and the physio's were also happy  
> with the progress I had made after being allowed up no the Wednesday  
> after progressing from walking with the aid of a lifter frame to a  
> Zimmer on Friday afternoon then on to using elbow crutches on Sunday  
> morning.So it just goes to prove that hard work and determination do  
> help when in hospital as well as all the cards and messages that  
> spurred me on.
>    I have a further check up appointment in 6 weeks time, mean while  
> I have some physio work that I can do at home as well as getting  
> about by the aid of crutches as long as I don't put any weight at  
> all through my left leg.
>
>
>
>        Thanks for all your kind wishes and cards as it means such  
> allot to me at this time and I take great strength in knowing that  
> so many people care about me, again thanks.
>
> Craig Morrison


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 08:29:20 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
In-Reply-To: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <39165A3CA9354B8AA34C48BCB9A39FB2@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911030829s317342d1gacd0a809f3095c7e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/3 craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:
> Hi,Guys & Gals,
>
> ? ? ? ?I would like to thank everyone most sincerely for all the kind emails and cards that have been sent to my parents on my behalf at to me in hospital,it is good to know that we have been in so many peoples thoughts over the past 4 weeks.

Glad to hear you're up and out of hospital, Craig, thanks to your
family for keeping us all in touch with the situation.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  3 18:51:01 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:51:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEHJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3D8379B31D8541BB9A3479A04CB970A2@PAUL>

Craig what great news, so thankful you are doing so well.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE-my recent accident & stay in hospital


> Craig:
> 
> Congratulations on your recent graduation from hospital to home!
> 
> Just try to be more careful in the future, okay?    :-)
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Nov  4 09:49:12 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:49:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>

Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great  
ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain  
cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be  
sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds  
like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set  
I'll post them here.

I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the  
cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to  
send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn  
Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I  
don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.

As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably  
during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.   
Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules  
built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes  
and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If  
you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of  
Glenn I'll share it with his family.


Thanks.
Keith

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  4 11:27:15 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:27:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5722E1CFE3CF49DF96A2403473D6E40D@PAUL>

So sorry to hear this Keith, Glenn will truly be missed by all and can never 
be replaced. I have fond memories of Glenn when I came to visit you with my 
now departed engine friend Bill Miller and we all (you, Glenn, Bill and 
myself) visited several of the local engine guys and then ended up having 
dinner together. I later went back myself and picked up the old Garden 
Tractor from him.

We are reminded in the Bible that life is but a vapor, here today and gone 
tomorrow, and we have lost so many of our beloved engine people in the last 
couple of years. My prayers and thoughts will be with Glenn's family and I 
want to think that Glenn is now with Bill and they are having a great time 
in Heaven.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 12:01:23 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911041201y2d1f10efof69544b40b0a9afe@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/4 Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>:
> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones. ?Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.

That's so sad. We were just looking through the Kewanee engine
info/folder that we got from Glenn a year or so back, and I was
wondering how he was doing.

Lovely guy, really enjoyed his auctioneering at the Portland Charity
Dinner auction. We'll send a card to the  family.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov  4 12:17:50 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:17:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <D9C509945CDE4CE9AC4D017867744BAE@loungeroom>

Hi all
It is with great sadness that Kaye & I hear of Glenn's passing. We are both 
glad to have had the chance to meet Glenn and Marian on a number of 
occasions. He will be missed not only by his family but the whole engine 
fraternity whole wide

Peter & Kaye Lowe
Australia




> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 12:20:33 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Project Azorian and the Glomar Explorer
Message-ID: <6f6025160911041220l2ebcab8na1df0ec3baaea10e@mail.gmail.com>

I've been reading a lot about the Russian K129 submarine and the
attempted recovery by the CIA using the Hughes Glomar Explorer
recovery ship.

There are a few books on the subject, and in the last few weeks I have
been in correspondence with a guy who has just released a documentary
on DVD about the whole operation.

It is a fascinating subject, especially the building of the boat and
the huge claw that was made to pick up the sub from nearly 17000 ft
below the surface of the ocean.

For those interested in the technical side of things, as I am, the DVD
is on release directly from the company that made it, it is in PAL
format, so check that you can switch between PAL and NTSC on your DVD
player. Mine does and I think most do these days.

http://www.projectjennifer.at

Have a look at the graphics and the story, it is basically true, and
if anyone wants the relevant book titles, let me know and I'll send a
list. All but one are recently published. I hope to have mine here by
the weekend.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From hallaran at juno.com  Wed Nov  4 13:02:08 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:02:08 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <20091104.160208.15441.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

What a great human being. I remember looking for a part for my engine. I kept getting ripped off by vendors, (that will go unmentioned). Glenn got an exact copy of the check valve in question, cast and machined it.
He sold it to me cheaper then the one the ripoff artist had sold me the wrong one for! I guess that is always the experience you have when you run across someone of the ultra-high integrity that Glenn was...
He was always about the "good stuff".
R.I.P. my good friend, it was my very good fortune to have known you!
God bless,
            Jack Hallaran Atlanta, GA      




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Nov  4 13:03:26 2009
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:03:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <D9C509945CDE4CE9AC4D017867744BAE@loungeroom>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W147B78D0497047370A50C5E7B10@phx.gbl>


Glenn was a great person and will be greatly missed on all levels, not just for his wealth of engine knowledge.

 

His family will be in our prayers.

 

Bill & Peg Pfeiffer
 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:17:50 +1100
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch
> 
> Hi all
> It is with great sadness that Kaye & I hear of Glenn's passing. We are both 
> glad to have had the chance to meet Glenn and Marian on a number of 
> occasions. He will be missed not only by his family but the whole engine 
> fraternity whole wide
> 
> Peter & Kaye Lowe
> Australia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> > ones. Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> > cancer. I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> > sleeping peacefully. Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> > like the funeral will probably be Saturday. Once arrangements are set
> > I'll post them here.
> >
> > I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> > cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year. If you'd like to
> > send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> > Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address. I
> > don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
> >
> > As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> > during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> > Kind of like a World Wide memorial service. If you have a Hercules
> > built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> > and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running. If
> > you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> > Glenn I'll share it with his family.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Keith
> >
> > Keith Kinney
> > kkinney at herculesengines.com
> > WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Nov  4 13:49:56 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <89710FC2A6A14877B068E066508ECF29@REGsServer>

I for one, will fire up my Hercules and say a silent goodby and thankyou to 
a good friend and fellow show goer.
We had many chats over the years at Portland.
That shirt will be missed by a lot of folk.
A sad day for us all.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:49 AM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov  4 14:06:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:06:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <d0c.61d54683.382354f9@aol.com>

Very sorry to hear about Glenn.  Glad we made it to the Evansville  show 
this past June and got to see Glenn riding around in the golf cart and to  
speak with him a few minutes.  A great asset to the old engine community  and 
will be sadly missed by all.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Nov  4 15:34:39 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:34:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F2F1377FD@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Sorry to hear of Glenn's passing although it wasn't a great shock to read of his passing.

Glad to have met him a couple times at the Portland show and enjoyed visiting with him and seeing his engines there.

George


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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Nov  4 16:56:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:56:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <026201ca5db2$de263c10$4d644b47@mikecomp>

Thanks Keith.  It is a loss of our friend and a wealth of information.  What 
a wonderful guy and generous spirit.  He will be greatly missed by so many.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Nov  4 22:06:12 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:06:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>

Hi All,
	Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS  
Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a  
brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already  
transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's  
name.
	I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that  
effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not  
take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been  
established and donations are now being accepted.
	I am currently in FL and will fly to Evansville on Friday for Glenn's  
funeral on Saturday. I'll fly home to Greensburg on Sunday (late) and  
will provide information at that time as to where to send  
contributions to the Glenn Karch Memorial Cancer Fund. I simply do not  
have that information with me here in FL!
	Dave
PS, I will send flowers (in the name of the SEL) to the funeral home  
in Evansville.

	
On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.
> Thanks.
> Keith


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Nov  4 19:30:03 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:30:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <54D23ED8-BE1C-4436-83A8-F27C3FD2234A@herculesengines.com>

Here is Glenn's Obituary:


Glenn Arthur Karch, 79, of Haubstadt, passed away at 9:53 pm, Tuesday,  
November 3, 2009 at River Pointe Health Center from brain cancer.

Glenn was honored by the Never Too Late organization on October 17th  
with an 80th Birthday Celebration. The Never Too Late. Org grants  
wishes to terminally ill patients and he was the second to receive  
such an honor at the River Pointe Health Center this year.

Glenn was born on November 23, 1929 in Evansville Indiana. He was a  
member of Immanuel Lutheran Church where he held numerous positions.  
Glenn was also a Korean War Veteran.

He was a grain farmer and retired as a Regional Sales Manager with 25  
years of service with Pioneer HiBred

He was a 1947 graduate of Reitz High School. In 1951 he received his  
BS in Agriculture from Purdue University and was a life member of the  
John Purdue Club. He was also an Assistant County Agent in Gibson  
County and a Vanderburgh County 4-H Center Volunteer and 4-H Leader.

He was a member of the Southern Indiana Antique Machinery & Engine  
Club, Cool Springs, PA Power Museum, and the Portland Indiana Tri- 
State Tractor & Engine Club.
Glenn enjoyed his engines and was a world-wide contact regarding the  
Hercules Engines built in Evansville, also information on many other  
brands of engines. He was the author of Hercules Manufacturing Company  
of Evansville Book pertaining to their engines and history. He has  
donated a Hercules Engine that is on display at the Indianapolis Museum.

He is survived by his wife of 57 years, Marian Niederhaus Karch; sons,  
Kurt Karch and his wife, Waverlyn of Haubstadt and Kevin Karch and  
Lori Campbell of Indianapolis, IN. One sister, Gayle Karch Cook and  
husband, Bill, of Bloomington, IN. Two grandchildren, Kayla Grace  
Karch and Allen Hurst-Alexander Karch of Haubstadt. One nephew, Carl  
Cook, and wife Marcy, of Bloomington, IN.

The family would like to extend their thanks to the River Pointe  
Health Center and Heritage Hospice for all their care given to Glenn.

Funeral service 10:30 am on Saturday, November 7, 2009 at Alexander- 
North Funeral Home, Stringtown Road, Evansville. Burial will be in the  
Lutheran Cemetery on St. Joe Avenue. Reverend Kirk Horstmeyer will be  
officiating.

Friends may call from 1 to 8 pm Friday, November 6, 2009 at Alexander- 
North Chapel. And 9 am to service time Saturday at 10:30.

Memorials contributions may be made to Immanuel Lutheran Church  
Educational Building or The Glenn Karch Cancer Research Endowment,  
Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science  
Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN  
47907-2064


Keith


On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Keith Kinney wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
>
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  4 21:04:37 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:04:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
Message-ID: <725519D6870C47D189FBFDD2C0C12E49@PAUL>

Thanks Dave for taking care of the flowers, I will be happy to donate to the 
flowers if you will send me your mailing address an will donate to the 
memorial once you get it set up.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Hi All,
> Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS
> Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a
> brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already
> transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's
> name.
> I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that
> effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not
> take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been
> established and donations are now being accepted.
> I 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 21:10:22 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:10:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C718A96E.2F1A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Thank you for passing on this sad news. Glenn will be greatly missed but his
immense contribution to the hobby will live on.

On 5/11/09 4:49 AM, "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:

> Last night at about 9:00 PM the engine community lost one of the great
> ones.  Glenn Karch passed away after a 13 month battle with brain
> cancer.  I visited him yesterday afternoon and he appeared to be
> sleeping peacefully.  Arrangements are not finalized but it sounds
> like the funeral will probably be Saturday.  Once arrangements are set
> I'll post them here.
> 
> I know the Glenn and the family were very appreciative of all the
> cards, letters, and phone calls over the past year.  If you'd like to
> send a card to Marian go to www.whowhere.com and search for "Glenn
> Karch, Haubstadt, IN" and it will give you his complete address.  I
> don't want to post it in its entirety here for spamming reasons.
> 
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> Keith
> 
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov  5 01:04:09 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:04:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
Message-ID: <7538DDC1436846739BC09A489CDC5105@KerryPC>

Any one seen or have information of the Schule / engine unit that I have 
been given at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/temporary14.html

The pump itself is a high pressure vane pump that was previously used in a 
sand quarry to blast down the sand wall face with water under very high 
pressure, the story of the unit from the previous owner was the vane pump 
itself was designed by a local bloke that had it built in Germany before 
WW2.
I assume the engine is a German design, any thoughts

Any help appreciated with info on this neat little pump unit

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 05:12:03 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:12:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
Message-ID: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/5/2009 4:12:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

The pump  itself is a high pressure vane pump 


Kerry,
 
Very neat pump/engine package.  Any idea of the pressure output? Given  the 
vane pump, I would think it is a high volume too.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov  5 09:39:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:39:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
Message-ID: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>

Thanks to Keith we now have the fund name and address to which  
contributions can be made. It is: The Glenn Karch Cancer Research  
Endowment,
Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science   
Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN
47907-2064.
	Dave

On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:06 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	Many of you know that it was decided that the proceeds from the ATIS
> Charity Auction at Portland this past August were to be donated to a
> brain cancer research fund at Purdue University. Spencer has already
> transfered those funds (some $1,400.00) to that institution in Glenn's
> name.
> 	I'm sure that many of you would have liked to have been part of that
> effort, but were not able to be at Portland and, therefore, could not
> take part in the auction. The Glenn Karch Memorial Fund has been
> established and donations are now being accepted.
> 	Dave


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 07:24:31 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:24:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
	<47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911050724o6fd3603cr1d72bbaa428d2f0b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/5 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Thanks to Keith we now have the fund name and address to which
> contributions can be made. It is: The Glenn Karch Cancer Research
> Endowment,
> Purdue University Center for Cancer Research, Hansen Life Science
> Research Bldg, room 141, 201 S. University Street, West Lafayette, IN
> 47907-2064.
> ? ? ? ?Dave
>

Dave:

Could we send money to you or one of the others via PayPal (Gift) to
be passed on to the fund, please?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  5 08:10:53 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:10:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS3F923174D7C607D75F002BBB00@phx.gbl>


   Thanks very much, Keith and Dave!  I was wondering how old he was.  In 
tribute, Eco 5hp. will run for 79 minutes on Saturday.

   79 minutes isn't very long to contemplate when one thinks about all his 
contributions.

  Regards,
RickinMt. 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Nov  5 11:04:48 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:04:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <F3C50B36-6C6A-4DE5-9ADB-BAF7A4723E79@herculesengines.com>

Here is the obituary in the newspaper this am:

http://obits.courierpress.com/obituaries/courierpress/obituary.aspx?n=glenn-arthur-karch&pid=135456551

Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov  5 12:19:43 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:19:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <F3C50B36-6C6A-4DE5-9ADB-BAF7A4723E79@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEIGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

I plan to run my Jack of All Trades on Saturday in memory of Glenn.  

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 01:05 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch
> 
> 
> Here is the obituary in the newspaper this am:
> 
> http://obits.courierpress.com/obituaries/courierpr
ess/obituary.aspx?n=glenn-arthur-karch&pid=135456551

Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com




From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  5 13:45:46 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:45:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A_Glenn_Karch?=
Message-ID: <BAY127-W26672F391BAB385087B3EBCBB00@phx.gbl>


Glenn's loss is a loss to his family, his community, and the worldwide engine community.  I have located a Delco light plant nearby, and the owner - being an engine man, though he didn't know Glenn - has agreed that we will run it on Saturday.  I like the idea of running for 79 minutes, so we will try for that.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov  5 14:43:18 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:43:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
In-Reply-To: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>
References: <c45.3c19e6d4.38242923@aol.com>
Message-ID: <362B303478774C10AA3BB2729262D6FE@KerryPC>

G'Day Tom
No idea of the pressure, the last owner that used the pump in a sand mine 
said it would send a full bore 2 3/4" of water 50 yds and blast down the 
sand wall.

Roland (exlist member) on an English list suggested it was a trench pump 
from WW1

Anyway a good find as it was going to the dump if I did not want it

Kerry


> Very neat pump/engine package.  Any idea of the pressure output? Given 
> the
> vane pump, I would think it is a high volume too.



From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Nov  6 08:51:56 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport Ohio to Connecticut
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <20091106165156.4D2B1904B@smtp.wcoil.com>

A fellow collector Gary Hufner not on the lists may want to get a 1.5 
to 2 hp Nelson Bros engine transported from the North West- West 
central Ohio area to its ultimate goal of Sharon CT.  So to any area 
in that direction ultimately can be of help.
I can get it to any place in reasonable range of Bluffton Ohio.  Or 
to the Akron Ohio NE Ohio area during the holidays.  If anyone can 
help call Gary at 860.364.7425
                                   Thanks,   Mark





Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov  6 14:25:17 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:25:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Schule & Co pump unit/now Mining and O.T.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1257526802.20258.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091106190519.00af06a0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 06/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:43:18 +1100
>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] F W Schule & Co pump unit
><snip>
>G'Day Tom
>No idea of the pressure, the last owner that used the pump in a sand mine
>said it would send a full bore 2 3/4" of water 50 yds and blast down the
>sand wall.
>
>Roland (exlist member) on an English list suggested it was a trench pump
>from WW1
>
>Anyway a good find as it was going to the dump if I did not want it
>
>Kerry

Hi Kerry,
         Not too much to do with your find but that system of using it in a 
sand mine is very similar to what is happening here with regards to 
"clearing" all the old "gold mine dumps" from Johannesburg's (and South 
Africa's) gold mining past. Albeit, the pump capacity is much bigger.

         For those who do not know what a gold "mine dump" looks like and 
are interested I've put pics here (Black and White taken in the early 1950's):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/temp/minedumps1.jpg> (53 KBytes) 
(The dumps are those white man made mountains in the middle background)
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/temp/minedumps2.jpg> (107 KBytes) 
An aerial view of the same dumps. To give you an example of the size, that 
rectangular building just below the road (centre of pic) is the "Kaserne 
Goods Shed" belonging to the South African Railways and it covers 13 1/2 
acres under roof.

         These "mine dumps' are scattered over an area stretching for quite 
a few hundred miles and are/were real eyesores. In the 1970's a decision 
was made to "re-mine" them and, at the same time, rehabilitate, the space 
they occupied. (That was in the "Old South Africa"). The old method of 
removing gold was not as efficient as modern methods and there is still a 
lot of gold in "them thar hills".

         It's an interesting process (but "off topic") but, what the heck, 
I'll explain one of the methods to the best of my limited ability!.

         A large area (a few acres) is covered with cheap black 
polyethylene sheeting (similar to what is used under new houses as damp 
proofing). This is placed on a slight slope - you will see why soon.

          Then, the sand is removed from the mine dumps in various ways - 
one of them being using water jets to turn it into a "pumpable" liquid 
(like your pump does) and stacked on this sheeting. This "stack" can end up 
many metres deep (20 or 30).

         Thereafter, an irrigation system is installed on the "stack" 
(exactly the same as a farm irrigation system but with much higher volumes).

         The "stack/hill/mountain whatever" is then irrigated with a 
cyanide solution (gold dissolves in cyanide).(Safety Officers - don't ask 
me !). This liquid cyanide solution then dissolves the gold left in the old 
mine dump sand (leeches it) and the resulting solution then gravitates to 
the bottom of the dump, until it reaches the aforementioned layer of "cheap 
black polyethylene sheeting" and runs off into a furrow. The resulting 
solution/liquid is then channeled into a refining plant which recovers the 
dissolved gold.

         Apologies for the very basic explanation. If I was a "chemical 
engineer" I could "bore" you guys with more explanations !!! (but, I'm not).



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Nov  6 15:18:01 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:18:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ken Eders Show Carthage NC
Message-ID: <COL106-W247C4DA850F16AC46A62D7B4AF0@phx.gbl>


Hi folks;

Any list members going to be at Ken Eders show in

Carthage NC tomorrow ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 		 	   		  

From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  7 15:34:29 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:34:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

I ran my Jack of All Trades (Don't have an Evansville-built engine) today for Glenn.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch




From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 16:00:54 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:00:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <cc4.5c94ffda.38276436@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/7/2009 4:44:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG



WOW---beautiful pic!  thanks
 Stan Zettner
old stovers!
 Pleasanton, Tx


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  7 18:00:36 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:00:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Just uploaded the movie of my Glenn Karch memorial engine run to YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrvzvPuX5Y

Take care - Elden




From hallaran at juno.com  Sat Nov  7 17:01:34 2009
From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:01:34 GMT
Subject: [SEL]  Glenn Karch - You are a good soul Elden...
Message-ID: <20091107.200134.12572.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

I ran my old ka-chunka Briggs FH. A beautiful day here to run an engine in the memory of an old engine friend.




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  7 17:15:23 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:15:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJGIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS235B3029BB305A3542B77BBAD0@phx.gbl>

Good job Elden  ...Eco, 5hp started right up..ran crappy (to be expected 
since I jumped the track for a while on steam), settled down after a good 
warm up.

   Keith did Eco on his website, Curt welded up the head, and Glenn always 
stayed in touch and even sent me literature on my 1-3/4 hp dragsaw.  The 
Herc boys are top notch.

Prepare yourself...there's video at the end...In my frowning ways, I am very 
content..especially when I got my teeth in.

The Best of Healing and Closure to the Karch family!!!

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/575440460buqqGs?vhost=good-times

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Just uploaded the movie of my Glenn Karch memorial engine run to YouTube
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrvzvPuX5Y
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Nov  7 20:28:03 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:28:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEJFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002e01ca602b$dd13c100$4d644b47@mikecomp>

I ran my 5hp Economy today for Glenn.  Happy trails ole buddy.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Glenn Karch


> Keith:
>
> I ran my Jack of All Trades (Don't have an Evansville-built engine) today 
> for Glenn.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Karch%20Memorial.JPG
>
> Take care - Elden
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Keith
>> Kinney
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49 AM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Cc: ATIS
>> Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Nov  7 21:01:21 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:01:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <2A2AE958-2351-43EC-9E8B-D9AEF1207584@herculesengines.com>

Glenn's funeral was very nice. The Minister started out the service by  
saying something along the lines of...."We are hear to celebrate the  
life of Glenn Karch. As we speak engine collectors all over the world  
are running their engines as a tribute to Glenn...." He went on to  
conduct a service befitting the man we knew.
Glenn's family signed onto Smokstak last night to view the thread  
posted there and were very grateful for the kind words expressed. I'll  
copy all of the posts here and send them to them too.
After the service and a nice lunch at the church my wife and I started  
three engines in Glenn's honor. They were a 4 HP Sparta Model A  
Economy, a 1 HP Sparta Model CX Economy and a 1.5 HP Model E Hercules.
Keith

Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  8 03:59:00 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:59:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch Memorial Engine Run
Message-ID: <110820091159.23746.4AF6B283000EDF0200005CC2223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

I ran my 2hp Herc. & 2hp Economy as well as my Uller for the first time since getting her home.
We will all miss you Glenn!
Curt & Becky Andree

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  8 05:39:08 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:39:08 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
Message-ID: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>

While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most countries.
PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any English. 8^(
http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  8 06:27:41 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>

Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web page.
http://www.old-engine.ch

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:39 AM, Dave Croft wrote:

> While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
> I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most  
> countries.
> PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any  
> English. 8^(
> http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
> I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  8 06:37:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:37:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
	<77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C20A0216-9638-4F1F-BBCE-25322A067E16@rustyiron.com>

Sorry about that.  I pasted the wrong URL.
Try this one:
http://translate.google.com

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web  
> page.
> http://www.old-engine.ch



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  8 08:44:30 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:44:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid><77D063AF-5BDD-462D-B727-29C6E55E66A8@rustyiron.com>
	<C20A0216-9638-4F1F-BBCE-25322A067E16@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca6092$c14c1140$42920556@intrepid>

Thanks very much, Rob. That seems to help a lot.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections


> Sorry about that.  I pasted the wrong URL.
> Try this one:
> http://translate.google.com
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:
> 
>> Not a problem, Croft-san.  Just allow google to translate the web  
>> page.
>> http://www.old-engine.ch
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov  8 14:10:01 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:10:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5bf909a74cf72c09bddc924804fef328.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Keith,

On Saturday I ran my 4 hp Robertsonville engine as this is one that has a connection
to Glenn for me.  When I got the engine much of the fuel system plumbing was
missing.  A post to the list got a reply from Glenn.  He explained that the
Robertsonville was a Canadian copy of the Waterloo Boy engines and as such would
have had the Wittry patent mixer.  He referred to it as a "slobber mixer" due to the
way that you primed it for starting.  He gave me the patent number references for
the mixer.  This helped me to sort out the plumbing / starting issues.

He also explained that the town of Robersonville was only about 50 miles from the
town of Plesseville in Canada where they made copies of the Hercules line of
engines.  He said that no one knew if the Canadians built these engines under some
sort of license arrangement or if they just stole the good American engine ideas.
8-))

>From his regular Hercules column in Gas Engine Magazine and from comments from
friends in the hobby I knew that Glenn was the Hercules guru; he "wrote the book(s)"
so to speak.  The information on the Robertsonville was my introduction to how broad
and deep Glenn's knowledge of old engines was in general.  Over the years Glenn
would continue to amaze and amuse me with his engine stories; either about some
really obscure aspect of a particular unusual engine, or one of his "That reminds me
of when..." which was usually the lead in to a great story of his days with the
Pioneer Seed Company when he would be offered old engines in exchange for seed or
just have them given to him because he had knowledge and expressed interest.

I also got a real kick out of Glenn coming back to the SEL area at Coolspring or
Portland or SIAM with a huge grin on his face and all excited because he had just
seen something new in the way of an engine feature or obsure Hercules part and he
just couldn't wait to share the discovery.  He was like a little kid who just found
his Easter basket.

Some of the greatest enjoyment came each year when Glenn would run the Charity
Auction at the Portland Thursday night SEL dinner at the Back Forty.  Glenn liked to
make block puzzles with GEM covers as the pictures.  These would obviously generate
some pretty passionate bidding if one of your prized engines happened to be one of
the selected covers for a given puzzle.  I remember one particular auction where a
well known real estate tycoon used his VERY deep pockets to outbid (and reduce to
tears) a VERY sweet young girl who was trying to buy her daddy a present.  Poor
Glenn was nearly reduced to tears himself by this behavior; but he soldiered on and
finished the auction.  He even managed to keep the tycoon from being lynched by the
unruly crowd.  The names of the key players are withheld; but THEY know who they
are.  8-)))

Glenn was one of a kind.  I'll really miss him.  I really hope that Marion continues
to attend the SIAM show (and possibly Portland) to stay in contact with the engine
folks.  It has been wonderful to see Ria Hammink continuing to attend Nuenen after
John died and staying in touch with her friends in the old engine hobby.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, November 4, 2009 12:49 pm, Keith Kinney wrote:
>
> As a tribute to Glenn I'd like to suggest that on Saturday, preferably
> during the funeral but anytime is ok, start up and engine or two.
> Kind of like a World Wide memorial service.   If you have a Hercules
> built engine to fire up that would be great but Glenn liked all makes
> and models and I'm sure he'd be happy to see any of them running.  If
> you'll then post what you started and maybe tell a favorite memory of
> Glenn I'll share it with his family.
>




From clemsweller at etczone.com  Sun Nov  8 16:34:49 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:34:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <001401ca60d4$750c6400$5f252c00$@com>

Yesterday, I fired my 7 HP Waterloo Boy in memory of Glenn.  I don?t know
that I had the pleasure of meeting Glenn other than references about and
from him here on the list.  

 

I chose the Waterloo Boy simply due to the fact that the Webster magneto
that came with it when I got it this past labor day was no good.  So, to run
the engine after I replaced the rings, honed the cylinder, I ?borrowed? a
Webster mag off of my 2 ? hp Hercules to make sure the engine ran before
rebuilding the original mag.  She ran like a top!

My condolences to the family and all the friends of Glenn.  From what I have
seen and heard, we lost a true friend to the hobby.

 

Chuck



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov  8 18:06:49 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:06:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
Message-ID: <20091108.180746.28560.9072@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all. 
Saturday our club was invited to a small show, my 7 hp Economy ran for
seven hours without a miss.  Many thanks to Glenn for his help in
pinpointing the year and for other help getting it going properly.  I
have his book with signature, and will think of him every time I run the
engine.
He will be missed.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  8 18:53:20 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:53:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
	<5bf909a74cf72c09bddc924804fef328.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <999A9F84B15A4771AD3137B7C7E07A7B@PAUL>

Keith, unfortunately I did not have an engine to start and run in honor of 
Glenn as I had none. I honored my friend by stopping what I was doing 
Saturday, offer up prayers for Glenn's wife and family and then spend time 
thinking of the times I got to see Glenn.

I, like many, enjoyed seeing Glenn at Portland back when I was able to go 
and as Arnie as so aptly put it we all enjoyed him being the auctioneer.

Other than these times I dwelled on the time that, my now departed engine 
buddy, Bill Miller, and I came to your house. Bill and I spent the night in 
your log cabin as the following day we were going to go and pick up a flat 
belt driven combination woodworking machine that I had purchased from a 
local doctor in Evansville. You and Glenn chose to take time from your 
families to take Bill and I around to all of the local engine collectors and 
visit with them and see their collections with ouy last stop being at 
Glenn's house. I remember how awed I was to see his large collection of 
engines and I was busy snapping pictures as fast as I could. It was very 
cold that night and ole Bill was about to freeze to death out in Glenn's 
metal shed where all of his engines were stored but I was so fascinated with 
the collection I hardly noticed the cold. While there I had seen this old 
garden tractor that I really wanted and I ask Glenn about it and he 
indicated he would sell it but that was as far as it went.

Glenn took us inside of his house and showed us some other interesting 
things he collected and made.

After seeing Glenn's collection, you and Glenn took us to the log cabin 
restuarant for dinner. It was such a nice time and such a nice visit.

Later I called Glenn and he said he would take a $100 for the old garden 
tractor and for me to come and get it. I hooked up a trailer and I drove to 
Evansville by myself and drove straight to Glenn's house and he and you help 
me load it. It was very hot that day but we got it loaded and I left. To my 
recollection this was the last time I ever saw my friend as 2001 was the 
last time I ever attended the engine show at Portland.

I still have a special shop towel that Glenn gave me and it is very special 
to me as it reminds me of him everytime I see it. I have it stored in a 
drawer that I have to oppen each day and it always reminds me of Glenn.

Glenn was a specila person, not only to his wife and family but to hundreds 
of others all over the World and he will be missed sorely. My prayers and 
thoughs will continue to be with Glenn's family and my prayer will be that 
God will grant them the peace that surpasses all understanding.

Paul 




From george at irontrader.com  Sun Nov  8 19:29:05 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:29:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections
In-Reply-To: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
References: <003601ca6078$da1a9e40$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <000001ca60ec$cabf1830$603d4890$@com>

Dave,

Thanks for posting this site.  I've already visited many of the sites that
were listed and have visted some of the collections that had links from that
site.  However, there were a few new ones that I found through this site
that may be ones to add to my 2011 trip.

Thanks.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:39 AM
To: atis
Cc: Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Very Good Site for Worldwide Engine Collections

While searching the web for a German engine collector to help Kerry
I found this page with links to worldwide collections in most countries.
PS It gave me many German collectors but not one that spoke any English. 8^(
http://www.motorsamling.com/links.asp#kategori_7
I think it is well worth saving for future enquiries.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Mon Nov  9 07:34:12 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:34:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BFF131AE-2601-49C2-AC1F-FCC7526AEFA4@windstream.net>

Keith,

Our tribute to Glenn was a little delayed.  Lincoln is a very  
compassionate young man and he thought the world of Glenn.  Like all  
of us, he's followed all of the news about Glenn's battle and has been  
very saddened that it was a battle that he would ultimately loose.   
When you sent out the email that Glenn had passed away, I decided to  
not tell Lincoln because Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were his  
semester finals and I figured he needed to be focused solely on  
those.  Saturday was an all day marathon for his band's state  
semifinals so I put it off another day.  Yesterday as our weekend  
wound down we all talked about Glenn and how much he meant to us and  
what a wonderful man he was.  We also talked about the email that you  
sent out about Glenn's funeral and that folks around the world ran  
engines on Saturday to honor Glenn's life.  Lincoln decided that it  
was better late than never so he went out and fired up the Famous and  
we listened to her chuff as we thought of all of the good times that  
we've had talking with Glenn at SIAM, Portland and Coolsprings and how  
much he will be missed but never forgotten.

Take care,
Mike
______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________



From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:52:48 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:52:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <BFF131AE-2601-49C2-AC1F-FCC7526AEFA4@windstream.net>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W12B61B980064BEB6CED20AC2AC0@phx.gbl>


Here is what I ran in tribute to Glenn this weekend

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/gasenginetom#p/a/u/0/Ql2rNWFDYL0

 

http://gasenginetom.com/4_HP_Famous_hopper_cooled.html

 

Tom Winland

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov 10 02:48:37 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:48:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] R&V and other engine parts for sale
Message-ID: <25D16065A75B46ECBDC6EB440AA7C944@peterlowe>

Hi all
You guys can run with this on your own, contact details are below.
Regards
Peter





Dear Peter,
Thank you, again, for advertising my father's R&V (the L series listed on 
your site). http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm
My mother lowered the price to $8,000. In addition, you may post her phone 
number on the advertisement - 314.392.3240. She lives in Eldon, Mo. and her 
name is Berniece Adcock.

She also has a lot of parts for sale. If you believe there is interest, I 
may forward a list to you.
Thanks so much, Lana Poole




From brice.atis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 03:16:19 2009
From: brice.atis at gmail.com (Brice Adams)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:16:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <a38bf8610911110316u3f64f32fk8758eb605905eacb@mail.gmail.com>

I've been out of touch for a while and discovered last night we have lost
Glenn.

Glenn was kind and joyful and always helpful.

I'll think of him each time I start the Economy, or any engine.

Brice


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 12 05:04:46 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:04:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dave Ernst (O.T.)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091112145057.00ad5120@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Once again apologies for using the lists for this.

         Is anyone on the in touch with Dave Ernst in Nevada <shop at cccomm.net>.

         I've got a brass plate ready for him but am not getting replies 
from the above e-mail address. I need his postal address so that I can send 
it to him.

         Any help appreciated.
Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 15:14:05 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:14:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W37878D29A4B1AF7BDDD661BAB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <475753.18896.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Q-1:? Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud?? I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.?
Q-2 (OT)? Who among us is the beekeeper?? Please reply off-line.? Thanks, Bill: wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp? 





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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 13 15:30:02 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:30:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
In-Reply-To: <475753.18896.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091113183002.P7A1L.8565090.root@mp12>

---- William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Q-1:? Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud?? I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.?

Laquer thinner or acetone.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 14 07:08:57 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:08:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
Message-ID: <20091114.100857.22221.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

I've always used Denatured Alchohol to clean out old gas tanks and carburetors.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


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Subject: Re: [SEL] Two questions, one O.T.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:30:02 -0800

---- William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Q-1:?  Does anyone know of an effective solvent for old gasoline residue -- varnish, gun, crud??  I'm trying to clean out mixer's starting fuel reservoir.? 

Laquer thinner or acetone.

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 15 13:15:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:15:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you magnificent people,
	The lists have been a bit quiet of late (seems to happen often these days).

	Anyway, here is what I've been up to lately. That Lister 5-1 (Radiator 
cooled).

	To recap. This engine was one of two that I managed to obtain from a 
scrappie who had bought a "job lot" from our (once great) South African 
Railways. I kept one and my friend George Botha took the other. The idea 
was to be able to show these two engines together at shows (or Rallies or 
whatever you choose to call then in "your neck of the woods"). They had 
spent their working life together and it was only right that they spent 
their "forever" retirement together!!!

	Well, we decided that a great "debut" would be at our friend, Neville 
Botha's, Annual Engine Day. (Neville and George are not related).

	I've spent all my "spare time" for a few months getting mine ready. Well, 
Neville's Day is now less than 2 weeks hence (28th Novenber).

	This past weekend has been very productive for me. One of the reasons 
being that I could "get on with the job" - I never had any calls from 
"friends" or "others" who, because they had nothing to do, felt it 
necessary to share their "nothing to do" with me. I got so much done this 
weekend that I've even amazed myself.

	A small explanation - I like to clean and paint every bolt, nut, and every 
other small part before I start to assemble the engine.
	This weekend I "did that" and am now very close to my goal.

	Tonight at about 8:30 pm I had reached the stage where I could say "I'm 
nearly there" but then I found a polythene bag with "something else". It 
was the "oil pump".

	This turned out to be a casting  covered in
	a) Many layers of paint.
	b) many layers of grease, old oil and soot.

	I'm sorry that I did not take a photograph at that time but here is one of 
what it looks like now:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/oilpump.jpg>

	Is this not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?

	As previously mentioned, I am not going to "slick" this engine but just 
going to restore it to what it looked like when it left the factory 
(grinding marks and all). Now, the problem is that Lister painted this part 
(and everything else) Mid Brunswick Green.

	I'm going to deviate from the rules here - this part will remain the 
brass/bronze colour it is. I will not paint it as the original manufacturer 
(Lister) did. I will also not polish it before every show - rather, it 
grows it's patina with pride.

	Any comments or votes from the community ?

Keep well,

Jerry
















From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 15 14:38:34 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:38:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKELKIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

That is a lovely oil pump!  Now, show us what the REST of the engine looks like!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 03:16 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Nov 15 13:57:54 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:57:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091115221002.00afb850@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <046f01ca663e$afcec690$8335c53e@doc>

I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)

Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 15 November 2009 21:16
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
> 
> Hi all you magnificent people,
> 	The lists have been a bit quiet of late (seems to 
> happen often these days).
> 
> 	Anyway, here is what I've been up to lately. That 
> Lister 5-1 (Radiator 
> cooled).
> 
> 	To recap. This engine was one of two that I managed to 
> obtain from a 
> scrappie who had bought a "job lot" from our (once great) 
> South African 
> Railways. I kept one and my friend George Botha took the 
> other. The idea 
> was to be able to show these two engines together at shows 
> (or Rallies or 
> whatever you choose to call then in "your neck of the 
> woods"). They had 
> spent their working life together and it was only right that 
> they spent 
> their "forever" retirement together!!!
> 
> 	Well, we decided that a great "debut" would be at our 
> friend, Neville 
> Botha's, Annual Engine Day. (Neville and George are not related).
> 
> 	I've spent all my "spare time" for a few months getting 
> mine ready. Well, 
> Neville's Day is now less than 2 weeks hence (28th Novenber).
> 
> 	This past weekend has been very productive for me. One 
> of the reasons 
> being that I could "get on with the job" - I never had any calls from 
> "friends" or "others" who, because they had nothing to do, felt it 
> necessary to share their "nothing to do" with me. I got so 
> much done this 
> weekend that I've even amazed myself.
> 
> 	A small explanation - I like to clean and paint every 
> bolt, nut, and every 
> other small part before I start to assemble the engine.
> 	This weekend I "did that" and am now very close to my goal.
> 
> 	Tonight at about 8:30 pm I had reached the stage where 
> I could say "I'm 
> nearly there" but then I found a polythene bag with 
> "something else". It 
> was the "oil pump".
> 
> 	This turned out to be a casting  covered in
> 	a) Many layers of paint.
> 	b) many layers of grease, old oil and soot.
> 
> 	I'm sorry that I did not take a photograph at that time 
> but here is one of 
> what it looks like now:
> 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/oilpump.jpg>
> 
> 	Is this not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?
> 
> 	As previously mentioned, I am not going to "slick" this 
> engine but just 
> going to restore it to what it looked like when it left the factory 
> (grinding marks and all). Now, the problem is that Lister 
> painted this part 
> (and everything else) Mid Brunswick Green.
> 
> 	I'm going to deviate from the rules here - this part 
> will remain the 
> brass/bronze colour it is. I will not paint it as the 
> original manufacturer 
> (Lister) did. I will also not polish it before every show - 
> rather, it 
> grows it's patina with pride.
> 
> 	Any comments or votes from the community ?
> 
> Keep well,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 20:43:01 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:43:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update
Message-ID: <C7272385.303C%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have updated the Austral register and pictures at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg1109web.htm
There are now 1192 numbers listed.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 05:07:09 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <c0c.6e4f3f7f.3832a87d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/15/2009 4:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

Is this  not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?


 
Jerry,  
 
Nice casting not unlike the one on a Famous engine.  The old folks  were 
proud of their workmanship!  Leave it like you now have it!

 
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 09:37:40 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:37:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193622.00b094f8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry:
>
>That is a lovely oil pump!  Now, show us what the REST of the engine looks 
>like!
>
>Take care - Elden

Soon Elden - very soon :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 10:18:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:18:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193755.06391850@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>
>I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)
>
>Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?
>
>All the best
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales

Hi Pete,
         Not only where you are - here as well.

         I often recount the story about a small aircooled Lister (fairly 
modern) that resides in my shed and provided parts to restore my Lister LD1.

         It spent it's short working life on a farm in Natal and provided 
water to the farmhouse by pumping it from a small stream a few hundred 
metres from the house. One morning there was no water so the owner went 
down to the stream to start the engine. What he found was an engine that 
had all the aluminium castings and casings smashed off with a hammer - 
aluminium has a reasonable scrap value and one of our indigenous brethren 
has seen fit to smash it to bits for the meagre amount he could sell it to 
the scrappie for. The disgusting part is that he probably only got about 
ZAR 50.00 (our currency) for his efforts but destroyed an engine that cost 
(in those days) ZAR 17,000.00

         Unfortunately this is just one of those things that we have to 
live with in the "New South Africa".

         I often envy my brother who lives in Germany - his "bunch" of keys 
consists of 2 keys - 1 for his car and 1 for his front door. My small bunch 
(the one I carry with me), on the other hand, consists of about 20 keys - 
"only
20 keys I hear someone saying !!) - Yes, but of those 20 keys there are at 
least 8 that unlock "other bunches" of keys.

         For example, that bunch that I carry, only has 2 keys to let me 
into the security gate and back door of my office/workshop. Once inside I 
grab the hidden bunch that allows me to open the door between my office and 
workshop. Once I've opened that, there is another bunch that allows me to 
open my outside workshop doors. The other 18 Keys on my small "Carry bunch" 
have similar functions.

         Enough griping !!

         This Lister 5/1 will be kept under "lock and key"  - probably 
behind at least 20 other keys :-).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 16 10:27:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:27:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 68, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258390802.3307.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116201852.00af0a88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:09 EST
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com

>Is this  not a beautiful piece of metal/casting ?
>Jerry,
>
>Nice casting not unlike the one on a Famous engine.  The old folks  were
>proud of their workmanship!  Leave it like you now have it!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.co

Hi Tom,
         I do plan to leave it like it is - beautiful !!

         To change the subject - a few years back you promised to send me 
some pics of those beautiful Virginian autumns as seen by you. You did ask 
me to remind you, which I never did but I'm doing it now :-)
         (What's 4 or 5 years between friends ?)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 16 15:35:58 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:35:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091116193755.06391850@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D7080B@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

Sounds like instead of keys you need an AK-47.
  Jim K.
 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans
Sent: Mon 11/16/2009 1:18 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress



At 07:00 PM 16/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
>
>I'd paint it if I  were you - over here, some bugger'd nick it :)
>
>Seriously, they are nice in brass, aren't they?
>
>All the best
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales

Hi Pete,
         Not only where you are - here as well.

         I often recount the story about a small aircooled Lister (fairly
modern) that resides in my shed and provided parts to restore my Lister LD1.

         It spent it's short working life on a farm in Natal and provided
water to the farmhouse by pumping it from a small stream a few hundred
metres from the house. One morning there was no water so the owner went
down to the stream to start the engine. What he found was an engine that
had all the aluminium castings and casings smashed off with a hammer -
aluminium has a reasonable scrap value and one of our indigenous brethren
has seen fit to smash it to bits for the meagre amount he could sell it to
the scrappie for. The disgusting part is that he probably only got about
ZAR 50.00 (our currency) for his efforts but destroyed an engine that cost
(in those days) ZAR 17,000.00

         Unfortunately this is just one of those things that we have to
live with in the "New South Africa".

         I often envy my brother who lives in Germany - his "bunch" of keys
consists of 2 keys - 1 for his car and 1 for his front door. My small bunch
(the one I carry with me), on the other hand, consists of about 20 keys -
"only
20 keys I hear someone saying !!) - Yes, but of those 20 keys there are at
least 8 that unlock "other bunches" of keys.

         For example, that bunch that I carry, only has 2 keys to let me
into the security gate and back door of my office/workshop. Once inside I
grab the hidden bunch that allows me to open the door between my office and
workshop. Once I've opened that, there is another bunch that allows me to
open my outside workshop doors. The other 18 Keys on my small "Carry bunch"
have similar functions.

         Enough griping !!

         This Lister 5/1 will be kept under "lock and key"  - probably
behind at least 20 other keys :-).

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 

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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 17:57:52 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:57:52 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <d00.662bbe96.38335d20@aol.com>

are you the same KANGUS that is on TV news????
    Stan Z
                 ps:  I have a little small 1 cyl Lister out in the barn 
(diesel)---fun to  run!   Probably later model--has a 6 volt starter motor on  
it!


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 16 19:20:35 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:20:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
References: <d00.662bbe96.38335d20@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D7080C@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

If you mean Paul Kangas no I'm not him nor am I related to him.
  Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of gastzt at aol.com
Sent: Mon 11/16/2009 8:57 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress



are you the same KANGUS that is on TV news????
    Stan Z
                 ps:  I have a little small 1 cyl Lister out in the barn
(diesel)---fun to  run!   Probably later model--has a 6 volt starter motor on 
it!
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 17 02:13:12 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:13:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Glenn Karch
In-Reply-To: <47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
References: <C713AD6C.2E74%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com><6E6B1694-25E2-473E-AB4B-36410994CDC1@herculesengines.com><E0451EC7-7411-40DB-85B2-4901F29009E2@me.com>
	<47EE1C4E-86A3-4FAA-A88A-D097B8A8A2BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <2EA9DDD993E4486CAFCFAF0D44A7E769@KerryPC>

Although late, this weekend I finally got to run an engine in honor of Glenn 
Karch, Gary Epps and all departed engine friends.
I ran a Inter 6hp M (no running Herc) at the Luddenham rally with other list 
members.
>From left, me, Ron Sullivan, Liz Sullivan & Cam Grundy.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/temporary15.html

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz 



From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Nov 17 03:16:02 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:16:02 +0800
Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATING
Message-ID: <64BD4C52D11C4AA29DF62FF88B2C9E41@armstrong>

I have a Petter 5hp Atomic Diesel Engine s/n 223976, can any one advise date of production

regard
Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 06:10:08 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:10:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 /progress
Message-ID: <be5.64ce3928.383408c0@aol.com>

Oh gee thanks Jim!   
          Well,  now we can get back to the old Listers--LOL!
   Stan Z
Pleasanton, Tx


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Nov 17 20:05:59 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:05:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch
Message-ID: <DACBF8AE-1516-480A-A4BF-1D06ADAC835F@me.com>

Hi All,
	I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if  
I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent  
to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and  
REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the  
foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an  
engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as  
the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the  
funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!  
She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other  
cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
	Dave



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov 17 19:55:58 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:55:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch
References: <DACBF8AE-1516-480A-A4BF-1D06ADAC835F@me.com>
Message-ID: <000401ca6803$09f85260$4d644b47@mikecomp>

Thanks Dave, we all appreciate your part in helping us honor our fellow 
engine friend.

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] THANK YOU from Marian Karch


> Hi All,
> I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if
> I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent
> to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and
> REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the
> foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an
> engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as
> the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the
> funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!
> She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other
> cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
> Dave
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 02:46:37 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
Message-ID: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG

Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 18 03:13:05 2009
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:13:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBED8C1EB4414A82ABB17EF5C936316C@shack>

Good one Patrick

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Livingstone
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 9:47 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs

I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG

Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 03:42:15 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:42:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111820091142.14035.4B03DD97000E60E8000036D3223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thats real nice Patrick...........but when are you going to finally paint the old one to match your two new ones??????????
Curt
-------------- Original message from Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>: -------------- 


> I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping 
> they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG 
> 
> Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone 
> Leichhardt NSW 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html 
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Nov 18 05:08:50 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:08:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>

Hi Curt,
	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of  
getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble  
with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM  
from a List member!
	Dave


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 04:52:19 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:52:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
Message-ID: <cf5.6181fa81.38354803@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/18/2009 6:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

I am  hoping
they will not be too difficult to transport to  rallies


In addition to a larger trailer, you will probably need a larger towing  
vehicle too!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 07:20:10 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:20:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <C72A1BBD.30AE%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEMJIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Patrick:

Make sure to go out and get a new hernia truss before taking 'em to a rally!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick
> Livingstone
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 04:47 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine
> Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Nov 18 10:33:10 2009
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:33:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Glenn's Flowers
Message-ID: <EA3F813618BC4A0BB552964D3B6659E0@joe5599c86d812>

Dave,

You are a gentleman and a scholar.  Thanks for your efforts on Glenn's behalf.  We'll miss him.

Joe

Hi All,
I talked with Marian Karch (Glenn's wife) earlier today. She asked if  
I would thank all the guys and gals on the SEL for the flowers we sent  
to the funeral home. Her exact words were "they were VERY nice and  
REALLY appreciated!" (Our flowers were prominently displayed at the  
foot of Glenn's casket.) She also wanted to thank everyone who ran an  
engine in Glenn's honor.  I know that both of those things, as well as  
the card from the List that Peter sent (which was displayed at the  
funeral home) really meant a lot to Marian and Glenn's whole family!  
She also noted how much both she and Glenn had enjoyed all the other  
cards and phone calls they had received over the past year.
Dave


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 19 13:00:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:00:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
References: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
Message-ID: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

> Hi Curt,
> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> 	Dave


Thanks Dave!

For our friends across the ponds who may not receive GEM, here are the
photos prepared for the article with some descriptions beside them.

So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson engines known to exist. It
would be great if some readers of GEM identified some others. That would
be pretty exciting.

At the bottom of this link are two videos. They aren't great, but this was
the highest resolution my old digital camera would take. One details the
skip mechanism while the engine is running. You can see the small electric
solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the skip mechanism. The other
shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing a large Poplar log. A
very fun day indeed!
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>

The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
going.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 13:19:35 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:19:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <c2c.6c24e0c1.38371067@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/19/2009 4:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
curt at rustyiron.com writes:

A GREAT  article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) 


I wish my GEM would hurry up and get here!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 19 14:29:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:29:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the whole story and it's an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?

Even if the original design was very flawed, I think it should be kept original especially if it's the only one known to exist.

Am I missing something here?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> 
> 
> > Hi Curt,
> > 	A GREAT article in GEM this month 
> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> > getting the engine in running shape after all 
> the years of trouble
> > with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to 
> read something in GEM
> > from a List member!
> > 	Dave
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave!
> 
> For our friends across the ponds who may not 
> receive GEM, here are the
> photos prepared for the article with some 
> descriptions beside them.
> 
> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson 
> engines known to exist. It
> would be great if some readers of GEM identified 
> some others. That would
> be pretty exciting.
> 
> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They 
> aren't great, but this was
> the highest resolution my old digital camera 
> would take. One details the
> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You 
> can see the small electric
> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the 
> skip mechanism. The other
> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing 
> a large Poplar log. A
> very fun day indeed!
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>

The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
going.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 19 13:58:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:58:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENFIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <A5CC91E6-1024-4626-BC87-EF09303B989D@me.com>

Hi Elden, You are missing the point that it's better to learn about a  
subject PRIOR to inserting both feet in your mouth!
	Dave

On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Curt:
>
> I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the whole story and it's  
> an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?
>
> Even if the original design was very flawed, I think it should be  
> kept original especially if it's the only one known to exist.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of
>> curt at rustyiron.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
>>
>>
>>> Hi Curt,
>>> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month
>> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
>>> getting the engine in running shape after all
>> the years of trouble
>>> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to
>> read something in GEM
>>> from a List member!
>>> 	Dave
>>
>>
>> Thanks Dave!
>>
>> For our friends across the ponds who may not
>> receive GEM, here are the
>> photos prepared for the article with some
>> descriptions beside them.
>>
>> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson
>> engines known to exist. It
>> would be great if some readers of GEM identified
>> some others. That would
>> be pretty exciting.
>>
>> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They
>> aren't great, but this was
>> the highest resolution my old digital camera
>> would take. One details the
>> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You
>> can see the small electric
>> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the
>> skip mechanism. The other
>> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing
>> a large Poplar log. A
>> very fun day indeed!
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
> Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
> going.
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 19 16:43:23 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:43:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <87BB1031-48F4-4813-BE4C-3AD05E640EFA@me.com>
	<59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <78B66DC2-A54A-443A-BFBB-5C9490179852@me.com>

> The fellow running the controls on the saw mill carriage is NC State
> Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to have his saw mill up and
> going.
>
> Curt Holland

Hi Curt, Is the Senator wanted for something? I notice he keeps his  
face hidden the whole time!
	Dave
PS, GREAT documentation (as usual!)


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 19 18:22:46 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:22:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <59449.168.215.206.73.1258664437.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CDA2AD425FCD4FB68DE7081C0637A44D@DBTOA000>


I agree Dave.  Great article.  I remember Curt posting on the SEL quite
a while back about this engine and seeking info.  These are the type
articles GEM needs.

Tommy Turner





> Hi Curt,
> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job
of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> 	Dave



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 20 07:37:21 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:37:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
In-Reply-To: <A5CC91E6-1024-4626-BC87-EF09303B989D@me.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOENHIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Brother Dave:

"Both feet in my mouth??!!"  BOTH of em??  You're such a diplomat!  "Hoof-in-mouth disease" is not an unknown thing with me but you have the advantage in that you actually got your copy of GEM.  From what I read in the post, which to date is my only source of information on the subject, I assumed (you know what that means!) the engine had been tampered with.  Am I wrong?

As a matter of fact, I don't mind that much.  After all, the engine doesn't belong to me and the owner is free to do whatever he pleases with it. 

I will add (20/20 hindsight, okay?) that, if the engine was modified in a way that it could be completely (and undetectably) taken back to original, I wouldn't mind at all.

Anyhoo - I await the article so I can get in on the inside dope. 

Oh yes - Curt:  
If the mods were designed and executed by you, I have to compliment you on your ingenuity!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:59 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> 
> 
> Hi Elden, You are missing the point that it's 
> better to learn about a  
> subject PRIOR to inserting both feet in your mouth!
> 	Dave
> 
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Curt:
> >
> > I haven't gotten my GEM yet so don't know the 
> whole story and it's  
> > an interesting project ...... BUT .... what's the point?
> >
> > Even if the original design was very flawed, I 
> think it should be  
> > kept original especially if it's the only one 
> known to exist.
> >
> > Am I missing something here?
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> curt at rustyiron.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 03:01 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Curt,
> >>> 	A GREAT article in GEM this month
> >> (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job of
> >>> getting the engine in running shape after all
> >> the years of trouble
> >>> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to
> >> read something in GEM
> >>> from a List member!
> >>> 	Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks Dave!
> >>
> >> For our friends across the ponds who may not
> >> receive GEM, here are the
> >> photos prepared for the article with some
> >> descriptions beside them.
> >>
> >> So far this is the only of these Carl Anderson
> >> engines known to exist. It
> >> would be great if some readers of GEM identified
> >> some others. That would
> >> be pretty exciting.
> >>
> >> At the bottom of this link are two videos. They
> >> aren't great, but this was
> >> the highest resolution my old digital camera
> >> would take. One details the
> >> skip mechanism while the engine is running. You
> >> can see the small electric
> >> solenoid extending and retracting the pin in the
> >> skip mechanism. The other
> >> shows the engine pulling the saw mill and sawing
> >> a large Poplar log. A
> >> very fun day indeed!
> >> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> > arlAnderson/GEM%20Photos/Thumbnails.html>
> >
> > The fellow running the controls on the saw mill 
> carriage is NC State
> > Senator Jim Jacumin. He's a happy fellow to 
> have his saw mill up and
> > going.
> >
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 20 07:38:24 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:24 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Message-ID: <20091120.103824.25820.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

Gee guys,  I feel so left out.  I haven't received my GEM yet !


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Big Waldo's Tune-Up
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:22:46 -0500



I agree Dave.  Great article.  I remember Curt posting on the SEL quite
a while back about this engine and seeking info.  These are the type
articles GEM needs.

Tommy Turner





> Hi Curt,
> A GREAT article in GEM this month (Dec./Jan.) --and a GREAT job
of
> getting the engine in running shape after all the years of trouble
> with "the damn old engine!" It's always nice to read something in GEM
> from a List member!
> Dave

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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 21:50:35 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:50:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <C72DCADB.312A%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 22:40:44 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:40:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two more R&Vs
In-Reply-To: <111820091142.14035.4B03DD97000E60E8000036D3223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <C72DD69C.312D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I now have 5 R&Vs waiting to be painted but the silver 1hp is first in line
when I make a start. We are currently painting the front of the house but
the fence is getting painted Brunswick Green :)


On 18/11/09 10:42 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Thats real nice Patrick...........but when are you going to finally paint the
> old one to match your two new ones??????????
> Curt
> -------------- Original message from Patrick Livingstone
> <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>: --------------
> 
> 
>> I had two more R&Vs arrive today, a stationary and a portable. I am hoping
>> they will not be too difficult to transport to rallies:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4004.JPG
>> 
>> Here they are with my little 1hp R&V to give an idea of their size:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4005.JPG
>> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/RV/DSCF4007.JPG
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 21 07:01:04 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:01:04 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <20091121.100104.17097.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Patrick,
Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
I didn't see any smoke.



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,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:50:35 +1100

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar09/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 13:27:52 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:27:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
In-Reply-To: <20091121.100104.17097.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C72EA688.3142%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Joe,
Due to the weather conditions there is a total fire ban for most of the
eastern part of Oz and that included the steamers. It is predicted to be 41c
(105f) with high winds today. It was sad that they could not steam but
safety first.


On 22/11/09 2:01 AM, "jlb94 at juno.com" <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
> I didn't see any smoke.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
> (_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
>                 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 21 13:44:31 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:44:31 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Message-ID: <20091121.164431.3812.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Patrick,
I was not aware of the temp and the dryness.  I can understand.   
There were many really nice steamers that I've never seen before and they all seem to be in excellent condition.
Most we see here in Pennsylvania are Frick - Rumley - Case - Geiser - etc.
Each show I go to seems to have less & less steam.  I guess because the laws are getting strict and the inspections are tougher.  Plus - If you need boiler work done, it has to be done by a "S" stamp shop.  Meaning the shop is approved & certified to perform the work.   No more 
do-it-yourself.
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
(_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
                


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Pics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:27:52 +1100

Hi Joe,
Due to the weather conditions there is a total fire ban for most of the
eastern part of Oz and that included the steamers. It is predicted to be 41c
(105f) with high winds today. It was sad that they could not steam but
safety first.


On 22/11/09 2:01 AM, "jlb94 at juno.com" <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice awray of steamers - Are thay not allowed to run these ?
> I didn't see any smoke.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/       "Poor is the nation having no heroes,
> (_o_)        Shameful is the one having them that forgets."
>                 



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 22 05:19:21 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:19:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] We find our engines in strange places.
In-Reply-To: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <502957.61317.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What is really, really sad Dave, is just how you happened to find that engine.
Please tell us how many of those silly cartoon videos you watch per day.
8>)))
?
Alan in Michigan

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From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: We find our engines in strange places.
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 7:37 AM


See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9XHQE7satc
The problem appears half way through.
Well at this time of year we have to find engines where we can. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 22 07:36:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:36:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] We find our engines in strange places.
In-Reply-To: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
References: <005601ca6b70$8e64f290$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <427f1953f9ed39e4e1e339c57abe8046.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Brilliant!

On Sun, November 22, 2009 7:37 am, Dave Croft wrote:
> See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9XHQE7satc
> The problem appears half way through.
> Well at this time of year we have to find engines where we can. 8^)




From adamandtammy at live.com.au  Sun Nov 22 15:27:46 2009
From: adamandtammy at live.com.au (Adam and Tammy Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:57:46 +1030
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>


test 		 	   		  
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From adamandtammy at live.com.au  Sun Nov 22 17:55:12 2009
From: adamandtammy at live.com.au (Adam and Tammy Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:25:12 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Bentall Pioneer Magneto Wanted
Message-ID: <SNT103-W304C842C2E53D3552495D1979E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Everyone,
                  we are looking for a mag and gear to suit a Bentall Pioneer to complete the restoration does anyone have a spare for sale?
 
regards,
           Tammy and Adam

 		 	   		  
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 23 03:59:56 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:59:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New manual uploaded
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123131818.028a7e00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Sometime in the last few months someone (Brad ??) was enquiring 
about a Bamford EG. I was fortunate enough to get scanned pages of a manual 
from Andy Selfe this weekend. It is now .pdf'd and on my website available 
for download.
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 23 08:31:32 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:31:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Dolly,
	There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary Engine mag. 
Is it yours"
keep well,
Jerry



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Nov 23 15:40:47 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:40:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFC5A3B5B97887468E3B3215DF9A687903D70817@CTNHEXBE03.corp.timken.com>

got it in New England
  Jim K.

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Nov 23 21:36:10 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:36:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read
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Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information :

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and
one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to
ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil
does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more
than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only
scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a
revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in
this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota , western South Dakota , and
extreme eastern Montana ...... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe
Bay,and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign
oil.
The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion
barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable..... at $107 a barrel,
we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5....3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see
their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana
Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found
in the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a
formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly 
referred to as the
'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and
into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead
end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells
decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up
the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500
billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions 
of barrels
will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years
straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one
should - because it's from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the
largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION
barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In
three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this
motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders,
than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the
environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America
become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of
people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in
this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION
barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in
the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think
again!
It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to... Think OPEC just
might be funding the environmentalists?

Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you
should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by
doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

--------

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you
sent this to every one in your address book.

By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!

GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

<http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911>http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
<http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911>





From obise at moscow.com  Tue Nov 24 06:31:27 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:31:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read
In-Reply-To: <20091124053609.020F43B416D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <SNT103-W29554948A4C0A1158BEE4979F0@phx.gbl>
	<20091124053609.020F43B416D@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <45B37A6EDC4046DC9970779FE0C469DB@CathyComp>

All the oil in the world does us no good if it cannot be pumped out of the
ground; this is the main problem with that in the Bakken Formation.  Far
from it be a new and recently discovery, a half century ago there was
drilling activity in western North Dakota and eastern Montana, but it was no
bonanza.  Now, with the ability to drill horizontally, some of the Bakken
oil can be retrieved.  Even with this innovation, much of the Bakken oil
will stay where it is, probably forever.  If you do not read the entire
Wikipedia entry linked below, everyone should at least read this:

"While these numbers would appear to indicate a massive reserve, the
percentage of this oil which might be extracted using current technology is
another matter. Estimates of the Bakken's technically recoverable oil have
ranged from as low as 1% - because the Bakken shale has generally low
porosity and low permeability, making the oil difficult to extract - to
Leigh Price's estimate of 50% recoverable.[11] Reports issued by both the
USGS and the state of North Dakota in April 2008 seem to indicate the lower
range of recoverable estimates are more realistic with current technology."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:36 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT OIL interesting read

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World





From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 24 08:41:33 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:41:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Jerry

We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been 
out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old 
pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
Here's the real one:
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg

Dolly

Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi Dolly,
> 	There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary Engine mag. 
> Is it yours"
> keep well,
> Jerry
>
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Nov 24 09:35:19 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:35:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1259082002.32373.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091124193202.02e704c0@mail.atech.co.za>

I Helen,
         Am imposter it is - Maytag twin and nowhere near as pretty as 
Margaret. I've scanned the page and sent you as low res pic off list.
Jerry

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:41:33 +0000
>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <4B0C0CBD.1040602 at insulate.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi Jerry
>
>We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been
>out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old
>pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
>Here's the real one:
>http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg
>
>Dolly
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi Dolly,
> >       There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November Stationary 
> Engine mag.
> > Is it yours"
> > keep well,
> > Jerry



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 24 09:56:47 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:56:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>

Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark


At 11:41 AM 11/24/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Jerry
>
>We don't get SEM any more, so I don't know ... But Margaret hasn't been
>out on a rally field for a few years now, so if it is her, it's an old
>pic, and if not then it's an imposter!
>Here's the real one:
>http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/images/maytag6.jpg
>
>Dolly
>
>Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi Dolly,
> >       There is a purple maytag on page 21 of the November 
> Stationary Engine mag.
> > Is it yours"
> > keep well,
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 24 10:28:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:28:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
	<20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <3ac8512dbbc09a493519fc3b66014a7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

An EVIL twin no doubt...

On Tue, November 24, 2009 12:56 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 24 10:47:13 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:47:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091123183006.0289ff68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<4B0C0CBD.1040602@insulate.co.uk>
	<20091124175647.25E1590EF@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4B0C2A31.3030506@insulate.co.uk>

Never!  Some engines are like their owners - one of a kind!

Thanks for the scan Jerry, nice shade of purple, but no flowers and 
bees.  Definately an imposter!

Dolly

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
>
>
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 25 09:26:21 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:26:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259168402.31834.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091125192238.02241b68@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 25/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:56:47 -0500
>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <20091124175647.25E1590EF at smtp.wcoil.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark


Hi Mark,
         Good "play on words" that - no, it was not Margaret - but it was 
an imposter and a "twin" to whit - Margaret is a "single" in more ways than 
one :-).


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 25 09:28:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:28:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] For Dolly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259168402.31834.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091125192642.02239768@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 25/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:28:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] For Dolly
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <3ac8512dbbc09a493519fc3b66014a7b.squirrel at webmail.city-net.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>An EVIL twin no doubt...
>
>On Tue, November 24, 2009 12:56 pm, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > Maybe Margaret has a twin that no one knows about? ;-)        Mark
> >


Arnie - getouttahere !!
but Keep well.
Jerry




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Wed Nov 25 20:01:58 2009
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:01:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] still new engines to be found
Message-ID: <00d401ca6e4d$3555e800$a8d24c0c@D48VHZ61>

 There is definitely old iron still waiting to be discovered. Got a phone 
call last weekend from a fellow that knew I had some old engines. He had 
just gotten a Stover from the building it was installed in new. It seems the 
engine pulled a small lathe, a washing machine and a few other machines via 
a line shaft. The guy that gave it to him is in his mid 90's. He last 
cranked it about 10 years ago. I told him a couple places to get manuals and 
parts if needed as well as give him a brief overview of how things worked 
and what to check in order to get it running. He mentioned painting so I 
suggested to try cleaning with kerosene or diesel to see if the original 
paint was worth keeping. I also suggested photos for tracking pinstriping 
and decals. I also suggested he go back and get the washing machine! His 
main goal is to have it running again so the old gent that gave it to him 
can see it. He told me he had no reason in the world to have it. I promptly 
replied none of the rest of us do either!

John Hall



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 26 07:40:02 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:40:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091126165659.02469600@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Although not quite finished we managed to fire up the Lister 5-1 
today.

         I still have to fit the radiator shroud (cover) and muffler but 
she fired right up today but gave us quite a fright when she raced and the 
cutoff would not work. Neville had the presence of mind to hold the 
decompressor lever in an she eventually died. Fortunately I had the engine 
hitched up to the gantry with a chain hoist just in case something like 
this happened so it could not do anything too nasty like fall over or run 
away - but it was quite frightening for 30 seconds or so :-)

         We stripped the diesel pump and found that the rack was not in the 
right position. Sorted that out and restarted the engine and it ran like a 
dream. I have to sort out the governor spring still but that's not difficult.

         The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need 
some thought as to what to do about them. Although I spent many hours 
cleaning paint and soot out of the radiator as well as getting it clean 
inside I never did a leak test.(duh)

         I've put a picture of the engine running here, (without the 
radiator shroud in place - that will go on tomorrow):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/start1.jpg>

         I still also have to make a trolley for it but that will happen 
over the next month or 2. It will go to it's first show on Saturday just on 
the angle iron base it is now on but I may just extend it a bit for safety.



Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Thu Nov 26 11:16:03 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:16:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
Message-ID: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35@HOUSE>

Nice work Jerry, those Lister diesels run so sweetly.
This is the same engine that David Edgington featured in the December
 issue of Stationary Engine?

Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an uncommon problem.
One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, and choke the engine of air. 
Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons after a "bolt"
Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to start running, backwards!

Well done with the restoration- quick work too!

Ted D

From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 26 13:00:01 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:00:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
Message-ID: <d12.329407f5.38404651@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/26/2009 10:50:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need 
some  thought as to what to do about them


Are the leaks too bad for some Stop leak?  
 
Glad you got it running and it did not get away during the runaway!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Nov 26 16:29:37 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:29:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>


> Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an uncommon problem.
> One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, and choke the engine of air. 
> Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons after a "bolt"
> Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to start running, backwards!
> 
It's a good idea to have a CO2 extiguisher handy, that will snuff it out without hurting anything.
J.B. Castagnos


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 13:41:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:41:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,

         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in 
celebration.

         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks 
fixed and a trolley).

         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend 
Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open 
Day" an important date on our calendar.

         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost 
collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that 
we all share).

         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with 
me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at 
his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem like 
more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day 
weekend" yet so it was quite tight.

         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD 
just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've 
learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love 
this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored and 
owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I 
love about this hobby:
         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is 
breathtaking.

         b) It is historically significant - development began in about 
1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting 
"Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.

         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built 
stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.

         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing 
their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance 
engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).

         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even 
someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them 
!! (:-)

         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages 
(mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts - 
and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for 
slower running.

         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a 
vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never 
missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator 
with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to 
below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to 
reach those lower parts.

         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are 
still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not 
the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump) 
but was prepared to try anything at that time.

         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of 
soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the 
radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble 
oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the holes 
(leaks).

         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would 
work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water 
pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo 
syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this 
would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on 
top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks 
lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)

         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water 
level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very 
cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing 
this,).

         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.

         Another question:
         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added 
to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
         1) How good is it ?
         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains 
soluble oil).
         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?

         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).

         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it 
in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".

         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
Pic here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
 >




Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 13:46:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:46:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259341202.7017.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127234355.00a7e340@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/11/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:00:01 EST
>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> We got smoke !!
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
>The bad news is that the radiator has a few bad leaks - will need
>some  thought as to what to do about them
>
>
>Are the leaks too bad for some Stop leak?
>
>Glad you got it running and it did not get away during the runaway!
>
>Tom  Schmutz
>Concord,  Va.
>germoamer at AOL.com

Hi Tom,
         Thanks for your answer - see my other post to the list re the 
radiator,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Nov 27 11:03:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:03:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1259341202.7017.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127202224.025e6f58@mail.atech.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 27/11/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:16:03 +1100
>From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <AE60B3604ACE4ED68EE43DFBCFC96D35 at HOUSE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Nice work Jerry, those Lister diesels run so sweetly.
>This is the same engine that David Edgington featured in the December
>  issue of Stationary Engine?
>
>Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an 
>uncommon problem.
>One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, 
>and choke the engine of air.
>Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons 
>after a "bolt"
>Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel to 
>start running, backwards!
>
>Well done with the restoration- quick work too!
>
>Ted D


Hi Ted,
         Yes it is the same engine David featured in "Engine Torque" 
December issue of SEM. I'll be submitting pics to him of tomorrows show 
where the other 5-1 that I found with this one will be displayed next to 
mine so watch future issues. This has been restored by my friend (and local 
Lister collector/expert) George Botha. He also took the 3 cylinder engine 
mentioned in David's article.

         It's been a bit of a rush but when I found the engines (and wanted 
to keep them both for myself :-)!!) George asked so nicely for one that I 
let him buy it. He needed it to complete his Lister collection. We decided 
that they should be shown next to each other at certain "rallies" because 
they spent their working lives next to each other and it was only right 
that they also spent some retirement time together!

         When I first found the engine I contemplated keeping it in it's 
"working clothes" - those orange and grey "South African Railways" colours. 
Only, on getting it to it's "retirement home", did I discover that the 
paintwork was terrible - many layers of paint brushed on over all sorts of 
grease, grime and soot (it was a standby in a boiler room). I had little 
choice but to have it sandblasted and start from scratch.

         I decided to go for "original" (but did deviate slightly here and 
there - for instance I could not bring myself to paint that beautiful brass 
oil pump green - I wire brushed it (not buffed or polished) and it can now 
develop it's own patina.

         Also, when I started on the engine I decided not to "slick it" as 
I've done with my smaller engines - after sandblasting (which is already 
"non original") I primed and painted it with all original grinding marks 
and casting imperfections left "as is". I did smooth one part and that was 
a small part of the casing where a decal is placed. This was so rough that 
I could foresee problems with getting the decal to stick properly but 
that's all.

         In the rush to finish there are a few minor defects in my painting 
but they will stay and become part of this engines history - I will not say 
"I'll fix them later", it's done and will stay that way :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 27 15:49:11 2009
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:49:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <D0807B189CFD4A45935384CFD0B69CF2@lightning>

Hi Jerry, I have used a pepper grinder to grind course pepper into a tractor 
radiator and it is still holding 3 years on cheers John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show


> Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,
>
>         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in
> celebration.
>
>         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks
> fixed and a trolley).
>
>         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend
> Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open
> Day" an important date on our calendar.
>
>         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost
> collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that
> we all share).
>
>         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with
> me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>
>
>         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at
> his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem 
> like
> more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day
> weekend" yet so it was quite tight.
>
>         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD
> just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've
> learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love
> this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored 
> and
> owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I
> love about this hobby:
>         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is
> breathtaking.
>
>         b) It is historically significant - development began in about
> 1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting
> "Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.
>
>         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built
> stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.
>
>         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing
> their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance
> engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).
>
>         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even
> someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them
> !! (:-)
>
>         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages
> (mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts -
> and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for
> slower running.
>
>         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a
> vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never
> missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator
> with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to
> below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to
> reach those lower parts.
>
>         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are
> still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not
> the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump)
> but was prepared to try anything at that time.
>
>         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the 
> holes
> (leaks).
>
>         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo
> syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
>
>         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water
> level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very
> cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing
> this,).
>
>         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.
>
>         Another question:
>         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
> Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
>         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added
> to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
>         1) How good is it ?
>         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains
> soluble oil).
>         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?
>
>         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).
>
>         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it
> in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".
>
>         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
> Pic here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
> >
>
>
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 27 16:57:29 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:57:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

I've used Barrs Leaks several times with good results.  On a couple of cars, I had heater core leaks and one application of Barrs stopped the leaks permanently (several years and no recurrances).

On my American LaFrance racer, I had the radiator cleaned at a radiator shop.  BIG mistake!  They hot tanked it and it leaked so badly, they wouldn't fix it.  The bottom tank had most of the leaks but the "honeycomb" core also had some.

The shop sent me home with the leaky radiator and a jar of what they called "boiler sealer".  The stuff looked like metal powder and was probably composed of a mixture of bismuth and other low melting point metals.  Their instructions were to put the radiator back on and cover the radiator so the engine would heat-up.  Use a wash tub to collect the leakage so it can be poured back in.

Start the engine and add water until the radiator was full.  After some heat was built-up and after dumping back the leaked water, add the entire contents of the jar (about a liter, I think I remember).

For a while, nothing happened except that the water leaking out of the radiator was real pretty with the silvery metal in it.  It took a few refillings (using a tin can from the wash tub) but, after a while, as the engine got to the boiling point, the leaking slowed and finally stopped.

They said to just leave the stuff in the radiator and I did.  No more leaks - ever.

A few years later, I did drain the radiator and the water was clear.  I dunno where the sealer went but I'm glad it worked.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 03:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
..................snippety-snip........................
> 
>          "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of 
> compressed cork in a solution of 
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that 
> once introduced into the 
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the 
> holes and, as the soluble 
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water 
> and swell to close the holes 
> (leaks).
> 
>          To my inexperienced brain it would 
> appear as though this would 
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor 
> car where there is a water 
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) 
> to circulate . A thermo 
> syphon system is quite different - no force 
> applied. To my thinking, this 
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing 
> medium) to just float on 
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir 
> and never reach the leaks 
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 18:09:26 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:09:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEPMIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <360407.86444.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup,
All of these suggestions are about pressurized systems which is not what Jerry has.
Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 7:57 PM


Jerry:

I've used Barrs Leaks several times with good results.? On a couple of cars, I had heater core leaks and one application of Barrs stopped the leaks permanently (several years and no recurrances).

On my American LaFrance racer, I had the radiator cleaned at a radiator shop.? BIG mistake!? They hot tanked it and it leaked so badly, they wouldn't fix it.? The bottom tank had most of the leaks but the "honeycomb" core also had some.

The shop sent me home with the leaky radiator and a jar of what they called "boiler sealer".? The stuff looked like metal powder and was probably composed of a mixture of bismuth and other low melting point metals.? Their instructions were to put the radiator back on and cover the radiator so the engine would heat-up.? Use a wash tub to collect the leakage so it can be poured back in.

Start the engine and add water until the radiator was full.? After some heat was built-up and after dumping back the leaked water, add the entire contents of the jar (about a liter, I think I remember).

For a while, nothing happened except that the water leaking out of the radiator was real pretty with the silvery metal in it.? It took a few refillings (using a tin can from the wash tub) but, after a while, as the engine got to the boiling point, the leaking slowed and finally stopped.

They said to just leave the stuff in the radiator and I did.? No more leaks - ever.

A few years later, I did drain the radiator and the water was clear.? I dunno where the sealer went but I'm glad it worked.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 03:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
..................snippety-snip........................
> 
>? ? ? ? ? "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of 
> compressed cork in a solution of 
> soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that 
> once introduced into the 
> radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the 
> holes and, as the soluble 
> oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water 
> and swell to close the holes 
> (leaks).
> 
>? ? ? ? ? To my inexperienced brain it would 
> appear as though this would 
> work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor 
> car where there is a water 
> pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) 
> to circulate . A thermo 
> syphon system is quite different - no force 
> applied. To my thinking, this 
> would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing 
> medium) to just float on 
> top of the water in the top radiator reservoir 
> and never reach the leaks 
> lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


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From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Nov 27 18:45:04 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:45:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <734F0A5EF2EE4BB29691D927E85B14EA@shop>

Nice job Jerry!

She sure looks nice.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho 
USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:42 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show

Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,

         Tonight I'm having a few quiet "Brandy & Cokes" by myself in 
celebration.

         The Lister 5-1 is finished (O.K. it still needs the radiator leaks 
fixed and a trolley).

         About 2 hours ago I got back home after offloading it at my friend 
Neville Botha's house in preparation for tomorrows show - "Neville's Open 
Day" an important date on our calendar.

         Neville is a great friend and one of South Africa's foremost 
collectors and restorers (and probably my mentor in this crazy hobby that 
we all share).

         When I found and bought this engine, it was Neville who went with 
me to collect and help load it on the 17th August:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

         I decided at that time that it would have it's first showing at 
his annual open day (tomorrow 28th November)and although this may seem like 
more than enough time to some list members I am not on the "seven day 
weekend" yet so it was quite tight.

         This is my first diesel engine (although I have the 12 HP Witte CD 
just waiting to be completed) and I have to say that "I'm thrilled. I've 
learnt so much about diesel engines on this project and I absolutely love 
this Lister (although maybe not as illustrious as many engines restored and 
owned by other list members) this Lister diesel embodies everything that I 
love about this hobby:
         a) It runs beautifully - "just thumps away" with a beat that is 
breathtaking.

         b) It is historically significant - development began in about 
1929 and production only ended in the late 1970's (not counting 
"Listeroids"). One of the most successful engines ever produced.

         c) It's "build and design" is typical of how the "Old Guys" built 
stuff - big and strong and meant to last a lifetime or more.

         d) It's rugged and tough. These engines were capable of doing 
their duty even when badly maintained (unlike todays high performance 
engines which need "expert" maintenance and cost "megabucks" to service).

         e) The whole design and operation is simple and basic. Even 
someone like me can quite easily learn to maintain and operate one of them 
!! (:-)

         Today I sorted out a few problems with the governor linkages 
(mostly to do with my own inexperience - like paint on the wrong parts - 
and  fitted a new (in this case "weaker") governor spring to allow for 
slower running.

         I then ran the engine for about 3 hours with "Barrs Leaks" in a 
vain attempt to sort out the radiator leaks. In this time the engine never 
missed a beat! Wow - diesel is beautiful. I kept "topping up" the radiator 
with hot water while running and also allowed the water level to drop to 
below the leaks a few times hoping to get some of those "cork bits" to 
reach those lower parts.

         The "Barrs Leaks" closed some of the radiator leaks but there are 
still 3 or 4 bad ones. I do realise that these "easy fix" things are not 
the answer especially for a system that is "thermo syphon" (no water pump) 
but was prepared to try anything at that time.

         "Barrs Leaks" contains chunks of compressed cork in a solution of 
soluble oil and it appears that the idea is that once introduced into the 
radiator these chunks of cork get stuck in the holes and, as the soluble 
oil is dispersed, the cork "bits" absorb water and swell to close the holes 
(leaks).

         To my inexperienced brain it would appear as though this would 
work quite well (as a temporary fix) in a motor car where there is a water 
pump forcing the water (and the "chunks" of cork) to circulate . A thermo 
syphon system is quite different - no force applied. To my thinking, this 
would result in the chunks of cork (the sealing medium) to just float on 
top of the water in the top radiator reservoir and never reach the leaks 
lower down - (hot water rises - cold water falls et.al.)

         I did allow the radiator to "leak" to the stage where the water 
level was below the holes quite a few times (these Lister engines run very 
cold on low revs - so I never allowed the engine to overheat while doing 
this,).

         Comments and suggestions from the "Gurus" will be appreciated.

         Another question:
         "Indian Head radiator Cement" (Now made by "Loctite").
Does anyone have any comments as to it's use.
         What I've been able to find out is that this (powder) when added 
to a radiator starts to harden when exposed to air. My questions are:
         1) How good is it ?
         2) Can it be used after "Barrs Leaks" ("Barrs Leaks" contains 
soluble oil).
         3) Will it work on a "thermo syphon system) ?

         Anyway, Guys and Gals, I'm digressing (as often).

         Tonight I loaded the Lister onto a flat bed pickup and planted it 
in Neville's garden for tomorrows "show".

         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
Pic here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg
 >



 

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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sat Nov 28 04:33:42 2009
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:33:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] We got smoke!
In-Reply-To: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>
References: <20091126192937.WQ4H8.9313470.root@mp11>
Message-ID: <6DF1640871C34D9095B88F95513AF139@EDROOMPC>

All,

I do not restore Stationary Engines but do alot of work on old tractors.  On 
startup for the first time, I keep a CO fire extinguisher next to me.  If a 
mishap occurs, the CO will stop the combustion process (from either end in 
the event of a 2 cycle running backward) and doesn't leave a residue to 
score cylinder walls and gum up the works.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] We got smoke!


>
>> Just on the issue of the engine "bolting" or "racing"on startup, not an 
>> uncommon problem.
>> One trick is to have a good wad of rag ready to stuff in the air intake, 
>> and choke the engine of air.
>> Rag in the intake is less trouble to fix than damaged valves and pistons 
>> after a "bolt"
>> Of course the problem is a bit different if you get a two stroke diesel 
>> to start running, backwards!
>>
> It's a good idea to have a CO2 extinguisher handy, that will snuff it out 
> without hurting anything.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov 28 09:39:17 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:39:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <360407.86444.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan & Jerry:

The American LaFrance cooling system was not pressurized and the powdered metal "boiler sealer" worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 08:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
> 
> Yup,
> All of these suggestions are about pressurized 
> systems which is not what Jerry has.
> Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
> Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 10:42:23 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:42:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEPOIIAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <530717.80449.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Elden.
That is great to know.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 12:39 PM


Alan & Jerry:

The American LaFrance cooling system was not pressurized and the powdered metal "boiler sealer" worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>? Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 08:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
> 
> 
> Yup,
> All of these suggestions are about pressurized 
> systems which is not what Jerry has.
> Jerry,, How many holes have you found?
> Got a solder gun or an LP torch and a roll of solder?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 29 11:25:46 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:25:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT - Great Aircraft pic
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091129210744.00b18968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         This is O.T. but I'm sure many of your would like to see this 
tremendous pic of 2 Boeing 737-300's in close formation. The pic was taken 
by a friend (pilot, collector of cars and other vintage stuff) David Gous.

         The 2 South African Airways Boeings were being piloted by two of 
South Africa's foremost pilots at a recent airshow in South Africa. The 
pilots were "Scully Levin and Pierre Gouws.

         I think it is an incredible pic and hope you guys enjoy it.

Low res version for the "dial uppers" here (1200 x 734 pixels x 40.1KB):
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/20090914_865-2.JPG>

Higher res. for others (2342 x 1434 pixels - 268 Kbytes) here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/20090914_865-1.JPG>

Enjoy.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 29 12:15:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:15:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
In-Reply-To: <49F7D927D31142789640379F6D6010F9@livingroom>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091127210315.025e6f58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091129215725.00b0d0e0@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi John,
         Thanks for the pics and links - I have saved them.
         One question. On the inlet port yours has what looks like a 
silencer (and certainly "something" that was never original). Was this an 
"owner added" unit. There is no reason that a "muffler" would not fit here 
and probably work quite well. These engines were never supplied (by Lister) 
with an "air cleaner" - it was an "optional extra".
         I enjoyed your video - especially the part where you added some 
lumber to hold it in place - you obviously did read my original post about 
mine "racing" at it's first start. Quite frightening.
         You should keep these posts "on list" - because they are "engine 
related" and help to keep the lists active - that's what we are all about!!
         I'm taking the liberty of replying to the lists (of course, 
without the attached pics) and not directly to you. The link to Youtube 
will be visible below.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>






At 01:34 AM 28/11/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>Well done.
>
>Attached are a few shots of my Lister before I bought it.
>
>Also, a link to it on YouTube.com. I'm the camera man and asking the 
>questions.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK89maKIhoY
>
>Regards,
>
>Archibald
>Northfield, Minnesota
>
>.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
>To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:41 PM
>Subject: Lister 5-1 progress/ it's first show
>
>
>>Hi all you great Guys and Girls in engine land,
>>
>>         <very big snip>
>>         I'm ecstatic - I made the deadline - the engine is lovely.
>>Pic here:
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/done1.jpg> >

<More snipping> 



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Nov 29 12:51:24 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:51:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
Message-ID: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>

I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will  
someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
	Dave


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 29 13:14:06 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:14:06 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
Message-ID: <002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>

Last one I used was 
Peg Pfeiffer
E-mail Address  old_iron at msn.com

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.


>I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will  
> someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
> Dave
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov 29 13:25:29 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:25:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
In-Reply-To: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
Message-ID: <20091129212519.3E5E33B4421@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Dave YES: I'm sure someone will!

At 07:51 AM 30/11/2009, you wrote:
>I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will
>someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
>         Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Nov 29 13:29:45 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:29:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
In-Reply-To: <002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>
References: <64A16776-0547-4FFD-8B18-3B5E8954658C@me.com>
	<002001ca7138$e3948870$42920556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <F0A5C70F-4C1B-4BF2-9807-EC5DEC818CE2@me.com>

Thanks Dave, that seems to work just fine!
	Dave

On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Dave Croft wrote:

> Last one I used was
> Peg Pfeiffer
> E-mail Address  old_iron at msn.com
>
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Info.
>
>
>> I need to contact Peg Pieffer and have lost her e-address. Will
>> someone please provide it for me? Thanks!
>> Dave
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From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Sun Nov 29 23:50:18 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:50:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] hi
Message-ID: <4B13793A.9070500@ncbb.net>

do we have a lisst of all the members.   Thought we had one a few years ago.


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 30 01:08:46 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:08:46 -0000
Subject: [SEL] hi
References: <4B13793A.9070500@ncbb.net>
Message-ID: <000e01ca719c$ba630990$42920556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "norman karde" <rustyjnk at ncbb.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] hi


> do we have a lisst of all the members.   Thought we had one a few years ago.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Hi Norman, go to http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel as
shown at the bottom of your post.
Then log in at "SEL Subscribers" with your E Mail address and password 
and you will see all 463 of our Email names!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Nov 30 09:54:06 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>

Hi all this is Jim not Dolly

On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 
miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an  
81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running 
again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve 
has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine 
over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What 
I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a 
clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.  
Any thoughts?

JIM

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From kimmell at verizon.net  Mon Nov 30 10:07:09 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:07:09 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <1228626542-1259604518-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919548567-@bda818.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Jim,
I've had good luck with the cast iron welding rods with my stick welder.  I've welded up a couple cracked heads with it and it worked beautifully.

-Tony


Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 30 10:11:53 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3784.165.206.180.130.1259604713.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
was not visible.
They've been running for a lot of years that way.
I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.

I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
had such good luck brazing...........
Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
else is fancy by comparison!)

Bill

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
> Any thoughts?
>
> JIM
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:31:36 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland )
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:31:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>

Braze works good but paint won't stick to it very well

Tom W
Ohio
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: bill at antique-engines.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:11:53 
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
 they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
 grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
 was not visible.
 They've been running for a lot of years that way.
 I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
 etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.
 
 I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
 had such good luck brazing...........
 Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
 but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
 else is fancy by comparison!)
 
 Bill
 
 > Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
 >
 > On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
 > miles from our village that has sat there from new !!? The owner is an
 > 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
 > again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
 > has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
 > over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!? What
 > I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
 > clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
 > Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
 > Any thoughts?
 >
 > JIM
 >
 > --
 > Jim French
 > fbi at insulate.co.uk
 > http://www.insulate.co.uk <http://www.insulate.co.uk> 
 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm <http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> 
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel <http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> 
 >
 
 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 30 10:55:57 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:55:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT131-ds19AED1FEBFF7457D23B56CC2970@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091130185558.39E749228@smtp.wcoil.com>



If you sandblast or grind or sand a braze it helps the paint stick 
issue greatly.  A natural braze surface gives the paint nothing to 
adhere to.   Mark


At 01:31 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote:
>Braze works good but paint won't stick to it very well
>
>Tom W
>Ohio
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:11:53
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
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>I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
>  they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
>  grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
>  was not visible.
>  They've been running for a lot of years that way.
>  I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
>  etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.
>
>  I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
>  had such good luck brazing...........
>  Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
>  but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
>  else is fancy by comparison!)
>
>  Bill
>
>  > Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>  >
>  > On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
>  > miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
>  > 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
>  > again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
>  > has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
>  > over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
>  > I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
>  > clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
>  > Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
>  > Any thoughts?
>  >
>  > JIM
>  >
>  > --
>  > Jim French
>  > fbi at insulate.co.uk
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 11:50:52 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:50:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f6025160911301150k2a1b114ld8ed2e6f2eb700b6@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/30 Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>:
> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly

Jim:

If you have the thickness of metal in the arm, drill out a core hole
in each half and put a mild steel pin longways in so that when welded
up it will support the break. Rather than an internal splint.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 30 12:50:53 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:50:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>

If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
I do well with them.
Reg..

Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle. NSW. Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
> 
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an  
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running 
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve 
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine 
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What 
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a 
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.  
> Any thoughts?
> 
> JIM
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 30 12:53:55 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:53:55 GMT
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Message-ID: <20091130.155355.28337.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

I had a brazed rocker on my Stover that laster year & years.  Then, one day, it decided NOT to hold anymore.
I was able to buy a new cast rocker from Hit-and-Miss in Orwell.
I would braze the broken rocker and, in the mean time, look for another that isn't broke. 



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: bill at antique-engines.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)

I have fixed at least two such breaks by tapering each broken end so when
they are put back, it's a V around the break and brazing them, then
grinding and filing the brazing down to match. Once painted, the repair
was not visible.
They've been running for a lot of years that way.
I've also repaired other parts that way - mag trip levers, governor parts,
etc. and not had any of them re-break after 30 years.

I only own a stick welder and although have repaired cast that way, I've
had such good luck brazing...........
Don't own anything like a nice MIG or other more "fancy" (not a good word,
but if you've had the same old Forney welder for years and years, anything
else is fancy by comparison!)

Bill

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job.
> Any thoughts?
>
> JIM
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 30 13:24:24 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
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Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.

Kerry


> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
> I do well with them.
> Reg..



From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 30 13:25:37 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:25:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
In-Reply-To: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <055AB80F-04E5-4DC7-B2DF-866A98223978@rustyiron.com>

Greetings, Mr. Not Dolly.
There are several options, assuming the metal is good quality and not  
rusted away.  Because the part is simple in shape, I don't think that  
you'll run into problems with stress as a result of uneven cooling.   
Modern nickel rod would work and be easy, but the color would be way  
off.  Brazing would be a better option, if you can live with a color  
mismatch.  If you want a good color match, the best option would be  
cast iron rod. For that, I would prefer a an oxy-acetylene torch over  
SMAW.  I would try to avoid the MIG or stainless.  You'll be able to  
make a strong weld, though, whichever method you choose.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Jim French wrote:

> Hi all this is Jim not Dolly
>
> On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15
> miles from our village that has sat there from new !!  The owner is an
> 81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running
> again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve
> has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the  
> engine
> over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!!  What
> I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it  
> is a
> clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ??
> Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice  
> job.
> Any thoughts?



From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Mon Nov 30 13:35:52 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:35:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] HI
Message-ID: <4B143AB8.6020305@ncbb.net>

would like the list of people who are joined in the list.  NNK


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 30 13:48:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:48:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
	<A7E7AB531BC94F84AF4EDE75154C49A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BF10B8513C584D0E92CBFDF7A3B5478E@regpc>

I had a couple given to me to try a while back.
I dont have access to the name etc. but the repair I did worked well. I am 
sure a Google search will give clues.
I expect other list folk will have info on the 'new' C/I rods to share. I 
was told they are a lot more 'elastic' on cooling and so dont cause the 
'pull crack'
Thats all I can offer as I dont have the need to do much C/I welding these 
days.
Reg & Marg Ingold
Newcastle. NSW. Australia
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
>
> Kerry
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>> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:32:47 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:32:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
> 
> Kerry
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>> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:34:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:34:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
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Message-ID: <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Try ''Super Cast''  or  ''Weld All''.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
> 
> Kerry
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>> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 30 19:33:40 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:33:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair
References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] thoughts on best repair


> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type.
> 
> Kerry
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>> If it were me, O would use a cast iron arc rod of the latest type.
>> They dont crack at the edge of the weld.
>> I do well with them.
>> Reg..
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