Martin Perman has posted these excellent pictures at the Internal fire museum at Tan Y Gros in Wales. See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/MuseumsAtNight# Unfortunately it is outside my range for me to visit it myself! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv