From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 1 09:05:50 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE Message-ID: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 Dave = = = = = = Hi Dave, Did #19 win ?? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyViWdFFFwJcj5YTEmIq0e9iRgCmdbbjSVzH20zP6MLuDWWm3qKE/ From rotigel at me.com Fri May 1 11:17:08 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:17:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE In-Reply-To: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> Message-ID: <738F0AEC-8663-4794-A0E6-84AB8A356231@me.com> Hi Joe, She was 96 votes ahead about 2 hours before the close. When the contest closed the web page was taken off line. Arnie is trying to contact the mother of the lovely #19 in order to find out the results. Let you know as soon as we find out! Dave On May 1, 2009, at 12:05 PM, jlb94 wrote: > OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 > Dave > = = = = = = > Hi Dave, > Did #19 win ?? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > illness." From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 2 03:14:50 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:14:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: Stuck Pistons Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } 2; A hydraulic Ram "As the Rust Grows " Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 2 04:31:43 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:31:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parsons Marine Gear Message-ID: Hi guys; Im looking for a manual on a Parsons Marine Reverse Gear, that went behind various marine engines in the 1950's Mine is behind a Petter AV2-M, its a Type "B" gear, with a number on the tag of "G-7373" A copy would be great, if anyone has anything http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From james.kangas at timken.com Sat May 2 08:20:35 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:20:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: option 2.unless you think the piston needs just that little bit more to free it up. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of frank skinner Sent: Sat 5/2/2009 6:14 AM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 Stuck Pistons Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } 2; A hydraulic Ram "As the Rust Grows " Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 2 08:23:08 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 08:23:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: <162F415E-6CE8-406C-B234-2D93E8FA32AD@rustyiron.com> http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston On May 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > Stuck Pistons > > > > Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; > > 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } > > 2; A hydraulic Ram > > From rotigel at me.com Sat May 2 10:44:50 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 13:44:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: <8BDD3575-24AE-4373-B5F0-B785B925045A@me.com> > Stuck Pistons > > Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; > 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } > 2; A hydraulic Ram > Franklin S. Skinner Good doG Franklin. We had a "vote" last November and look what has happened. Now you are calling for another vote? Dave PS, 1-B From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat May 2 11:28:27 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:28:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] stuck piston Message-ID: <20090502182839.79E6144498C@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> 1B Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 2 17:46:45 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:46:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction Report Message-ID: I went to an auction at Branxton in the Hunter Valley yesterday. The auction was well attended but engine prices were a little down. Most engines were complete with some being older restorations. Some results. Lister D & compressor $1240 IHC Mogul 90% complete1.75hp $340 Anderson (parts only) $60 Buzacott vertical $100 Buzacott vertical $120 Rosebery vertical $60 R-T N $140 M-V vertical $60 Southern Cross $240 Imperial $500 Buzacott 3hp (very low number horizontal) $320 Cooper TB shearing plant $420 Buzacott vertical $20 Alfa-Laval $150 Buzacott vertical $320 Buzacott vertical $180 K&L $200 M-V vertical $40 Alfa-laval $20 Southern cross twin $210 Buzacott vertical $40 Buzacott 2A parts (three blocks with enough bits to build one engine) Cooper little wonder (missing carby) $510 Lister $100 IHC LA $220 Lister D $50 Sunshine 3hp $1650 (the dearest engine) Cooper $50 M-V $20 M-V $50 Wolseley $30 Lister Diesel $370 New Way 4.5hp $500 Wolseley $220 Imperial $500 Hercules 3hp $600 (bargain, older restoration ready to run) Anderson 3hp (complete with cooling, fuel tanks, cast pedestal & original skids) $500 Buzacott farm pumper $120 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 3 04:52:15 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:52:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: I could not let this one go at yesterdays auction. I don't know much about it yet but I have put some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/anderson1.html I have not owned a Kiwi engine before. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 3 06:08:38 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:08:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Report Message-ID: In a message dated 5/2/2009 8:54:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: but engine prices were a little down. Patrick, Seems the engine prices were very reasonable if not plain cheap. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun May 3 21:41:43 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:41:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show pictures Message-ID: <20090503.214144.1376.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today our club (WAPA) was invited to participate in the annual Antique Truck Historical Society's annual show at the Orange Empire Railway Museum grounds in Perris Ca. The display was small, but a good time was had by all. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TruckShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMiatf Gp6M6zWg# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQX0uhm0Ct5Eoj8Q7y3LHoyp2P4UN9owMJeeAo2xn7SEIqwJpgk/ From gastzt at aol.com Mon May 4 07:17:11 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:17:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Small show pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/2009 11:54:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TruckShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMiatf Hey Ron-- Stan Zettner here-- gee, what a WONDERFUL bunch of pics--- gee thanks for sharing! Panama is so interesting---! Always wondered--- can you DRIVE from Panama all the way down to South America?--- (actually want to drive from Texas to Brazil)--??? Good Model-A Ford trip! ha! Wonderful old engine pics--- I only have 9 of them so far---- need to get some pics gathered up-! Again, many thanks for sharing! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas (old Stovers) etc **************2009 3 Free CREDIT SCORES: See Your 3 Credit Scores from All 3 Bureaus FREE! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221797372x1201397989/aol?redir=https:%2F%2Fwww.freescore.com%2FOffers%2FStart%2FFreeCreditRepor tAndScore.aspx%3FID%3D91831F371F138345B53A153F49D4D872%26siteid%3De927580bf7 ) From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 08:19:42 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:19:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one of those days where no one had anything to post. George From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 08:49:57 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:49:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Reading you loud and clear here George. Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 08:56:19 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Loud and clear in NC George! > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:19:42 -0500 > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 08:40:42 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA411B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looks like I've got my answer. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one of those days where no one had anything to post. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 5 09:47:16 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:47:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I didn't get your post. Could you send it again? :-) I know how it feels to miss your regular "fix". If our dealer (ATIS) fails to make his scheduled delivery time, we get really jumpy. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:20 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 > hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still > working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue May 5 09:01:12 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has anyone done business there? Doug T Best, George wrote: > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 09:08:46 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACD1A2D@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Hey, at least half the tour group is here! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Anger Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:50 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours Reading you loud and clear here George. Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 09:36:47 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Larry, When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: > Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue May 5 09:46:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6D081058-CE92-41BB-AFFA-8260D259C517@me.com> On May 5, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Larry Anger wrote: > Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > Larry Anger Larry, When the hell has that ever stopped us in the past? Dave From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 09:50:10 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:50:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6D081058-CE92-41BB-AFFA-8260D259C517@me.com> Message-ID: Dave - I guess there are a few of us that have not been stopped in the past!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > On May 5, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! >> Larry Anger > > Larry, When the hell has that ever stopped us in the past? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 09:51:51 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in Amsterdam!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Larry, > > When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 10:37:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > Amsterdam!!!!! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 12:19:37 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:19:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 > From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question > > Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street > going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has > anyone done business there? Doug T > > Best, George wrote: > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 12:22:56 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:22:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > > And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with > enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > > Amsterdam!!!!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 15:51:23 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:51:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Steve - I was hoping my reputation will stay intact. I guess time will tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > > And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're > covered with > enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! > 8-))) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > > Amsterdam!!!!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue May 5 15:47:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:47:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007401c9cdd3$871c6b70$83674b47@mikecomp> Espchellie Nukleer Nginears ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Larry, > > When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 21:16:34 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts Message-ID: <9e6a955be7bd3517040b73c99793c0c6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 6 04:10:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:10:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted Message-ID: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> Hi All Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say around 1925-26??? What colours did they come in. Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think it needs one part that works off the detent. What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to oil the piston? I need the correct crank handle. More tomorrow when I get some pics Regards Peter From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed May 6 08:19:02 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:19:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <4A01AA66.6050300@accnorwalk.com> Thanks Steve, I'll give them a call and see if they can handle a job while I wait next week at the swap meet. Doug Steve Royster wrote: > Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 >> From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question >> >> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street >> going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has >> anyone done business there? Doug T >> >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending >>> this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one >>> of those days where no one had anything to post. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed May 6 08:48:15 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <4A01B13F.3060501@accnorwalk.com> They must have had an area code change out there. The number is now 260-726-6236. Spoke to Jack, the owner, and he says building up the crank shouldn't be a problem while I'm in town. Doug Steve Royster wrote: > Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 >> From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question >> >> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street >> going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has >> anyone done business there? Doug T >> >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending >>> this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one >>> of those days where no one had anything to post. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed May 6 12:03:14 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:03:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> I said to someone today, I'm not sure if Europe is ready for ANOTHER Yank invasion. Just hope you don't leave the same sort of destruction behind this time. Dolly Steve Royster wrote: > Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours >> >> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! >> >> And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with >> enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: >> >>> Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in >>> Amsterdam!!!!! >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 6 12:30:54 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly..... I'm sure you mean that in some sort of a twisted , kind, European way, so I look forward to seeing the French family at Neunen. I promise to do my best to keep the EHOWT tour group in line (at least in public) . Your job however is much more difficult keeping the nookulear engineer out of trouble untill we arrive. Steve > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:03:14 +0100 > From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > I said to someone today, I'm not sure if Europe is ready for ANOTHER > Yank invasion. Just hope you don't leave the same sort of destruction > behind this time. > > Dolly > > Steve Royster wrote: > > Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > >> > >> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > >> > >> And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with > >> enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) > >> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > >> > >>> Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > >>> Amsterdam!!!!! > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 6 14:35:34 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey Steve, Cut Dolly some slack wouldja? She's only human afterall. See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 6, 2009 3:30 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > Dolly..... Your job however is much > more difficult keeping the nookulear engineer > out of trouble untill we arrive. Steve From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 6 15:57:40 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:57:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted In-Reply-To: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> References: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> G'day Peter, Ron Wiley (spelling?) from Victor Harbor in SA should be able to date it for you. His details have been in the TOMM a few times. These engines are reasonably attainable in OZ so parts should not be too hard to get. They were imported not made here. My engine is/was black! I got it from the original family who owned it covered in muck. It's never been restored in it's life until I got it so black is the original colour of my engine. I do know that mostly the KA's were green. There may be other colours. my engine is No. KA167703 and was dated 1924 Be REAL carefull starting it with the crank handle. These little suckers are good at removing teeth! Mine will start by pulling the flywheels over. Russell At 09:10 PM 6/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 6 16:30:51 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:30:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted In-Reply-To: <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <00a801c9cea2$b183d2c0$148b7840$@net.au> The date of manufacture is usually cast into the off side of the block under the water hopper. Mines a 1926.The restoration was straight forward.All the crank bearings were OK and just needed reshimming. The bore was worn out so I sleeved that back to standard and made my own rings but no doubt you can buy them. The valves were had it. The stems are 5/16 so I had a head shop ream them to 8 mm and used V6 Commodore valves. They recut the seats to suit for an all up cost of $35.00.The rest was just freeing rusted parts and elbow grease and a rebuilt EK Mag Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 6:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted G'day Peter, Ron Wiley (spelling?) from Victor Harbor in SA should be able to date it for you. His details have been in the TOMM a few times. These engines are reasonably attainable in OZ so parts should not be too hard to get. They were imported not made here. My engine is/was black! I got it from the original family who owned it covered in muck. It's never been restored in it's life until I got it so black is the original colour of my engine. I do know that mostly the KA's were green. There may be other colours. my engine is No. KA167703 and was dated 1924 Be REAL carefull starting it with the crank handle. These little suckers are good at removing teeth! Mine will start by pulling the flywheels over. Russell At 09:10 PM 6/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 19:18:47 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts Message-ID: <80434.6745.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Arnie. I?ordered a stock of all of the nuts and washers this morning. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 12:16 AM http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Thu May 7 03:20:42 2009 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:20:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul 4 h.p. Message-ID: <177179FC9B0B4CEE8DBD6A4D47D76201@lightning> Hi all, Can anyone point me in the direction of a cast cap that goes on a 4 hp Mogul air intake? Either original or cast repoduction. Cheers John From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu May 7 04:06:11 2009 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 06:06:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover Engine Message-ID: <2EA50E00A4E84133A3734A6193321BC1@joe5599c86d812> Peter, Stover built and shipped these engines to Cooper. We'll be able to tell you the day the engine was shipped from the factory. Should have your info in a few days. Joe From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 7 05:17:28 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:17:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper-stover KA engine help Message-ID: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> Hi all OK here are the pics of my new Cooper/Stover KA 2hp. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm I have a couple of questions: 1. Is the muffler correct? 2. Does this spring hold the valve rocker against the valve or the push rod? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/valve-spring.JPG 3. Does anyone have a good clear focused photo of this area, the red circled area is missing the mag trip thingy. My mate has this to make one for his other engine but it will be years before he gets around to it. I will try and acquire these parts for myself to save the bother. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/mag-trip.JPG 4. Looks like I have the rocker the wrong way around. 5. Does anyone is Oz have a pulley the same as this one, my mate wants this pulley back. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/pulley.JPG 6. If anyone has one of these engines I would like some good clear photos from all over your engine, especially the mag trip area, the head and valves, the governor. 7. What type or size oiler do they have? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From oldengin at verizon.net Thu May 7 08:59:59 2009 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? References: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or even 5/16 (.3125) might work... Thanks Leroy From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 7 11:14:46 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? Message-ID: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Leroy, These folks offer cedar dowel rod. If all you need is 6", why not call 'em and see if they'll give it to you for free? http://www.arnoldwood.com/WoodDowels.html See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 7, 2009 11:59 am, Leroy wrote: > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 7 11:40:48 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:40:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I was sent these very bad pics to try and help identify this engine and pump. It is English and probably Ruston & Hornsby but which one. Pics here: Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu May 7 12:09:57 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:09:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Definitly a ruston, probably a model CR Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:40:48 +0200 > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine > > Hi All, > I was sent these very bad pics to try and help identify this > engine and pump. > > It is English and probably Ruston & Hornsby but which one. > > Pics here: > > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 7 12:27:02 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <4A033606.3060203@telenet.net> Leroy wrote: > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... > Thanks Leroy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Sounds like the rod part of a cedar clothes hanger. -- Steve Williams From jbcast at charter.net Thu May 7 12:32:56 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20090507153256.6FLAZ.2283423.root@mp17> > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 11:59 am, Leroy wrote: > > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... > > Leroy, if you have a router table and a 3/8" roundover bit you can make a pretty good dowel, cut a board to 3/8"+, round over both sides of one edge, cut off 3/8"+, round over the other edges. Let the length run long so you'll have something to hold the piece you need, cut it off and sand it in a drill or lathe. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at me.com Thu May 7 16:25:13 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <9222D81C-9C54-426B-A2F0-55735E7D5CA9@me.com> On May 7, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Leroy, > . If all you need is 6", why not call 'em and see > if they'll give it to you for free? > See ya, Arnie Damn Arnie, I sure hope that Leroy appreciates it when you talk dirty to him! Dave From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu May 7 16:24:35 2009 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction Message-ID: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices ? Just curious on what they went for , also a Friend is looking for a carb for a Vaughan Model D log saw engine , 4 HP I think its the new style ' or even a close up picture of the carb would help , Thanks in advance Rex Hinz From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu May 7 16:24:39 2009 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection Message-ID: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter Peter, Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a type KA, hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the Chicago Flexible Shaft Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 identical engines were shipped to Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July 13, 1926. Flexible Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also shipped Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper also got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San Francisco Ca. I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged Stovers including Judson engines in Canada use the real Stover serial number so they show up in the records. If you don't mind, I'll put your engine in the Stover registry. All personal information is kept confidential. Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us a talk on Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can answer many of your Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover column in every issue of Gas Engine Magazine. The most recent issue covered the late K models including the KA. Best Regards, Joe >_______________________________________________ From dleis at centurytel.net Thu May 7 17:03:27 2009 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:03:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction References: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: <41E550B21F2243EAA81AC2EFF8FC454E@your4dacd0ea75> I did not get the engine prices but I thought they went high. Stacy From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu May 7 17:42:13 2009 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction In-Reply-To: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: <963394.45233.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was there, but I was at my table in the building. I did watch the 2 Fuller & Johnson DE's sell. First one sold for $4900 and the second one for $5300 (I think). Both were running engines and ran that day...One went to a collector further north in WI and the second went to a grandson of Mr. Johnson. They sold choice. I didn't get any other prices. Steve --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Rex Hinz wrote: From: Rex Hinz Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 6:24 PM Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices? Thanks in advance Rex Hinz From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri May 8 00:10:56 2009 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:10:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction In-Reply-To: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> References: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: I was there also but did not record the prices except for the items I loaded in the truck. As usual some prices were high and there were some reasonable. I brought home a Fuller and Johnson Farm pumper engine in reasonable shape and complete except for a mixer for $275 and a parts engine the same for $40. My brother bought a couple of the hundred dollar engines. one was a Leroi vertical and an unidentified marine type engine. Anyone know of a spare mixer? Ed Herreid > From: rex002 at centurytel.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:35 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction > > Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices ? Just curious on what they went for , also a Friend is looking for a carb for a Vaughan Model D log saw engine , 4 HP I think its the new style ' or even a close up picture of the carb would help , Thanks in advance > > Rex Hinz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri May 8 03:05:00 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection References: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <4FBFD80E213349E997E06EDDBFC0791A@peterlowe> > Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a > type KA, hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the > Chicago Flexible Shaft Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 > identical engines were shipped to Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your > engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July 13, 1926. Flexible > Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also shipped > Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper > also got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San > Francisco Ca. I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged > Stovers including Judson engines in Canada use the real Stover serial > number so they show up in the records. If you don't mind, I'll put your > engine in the Stover registry. All personal information is kept > confidential. > > Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us > a talk on Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can > answer many of your Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover > column in every issue of Gas Engine Magazine. The most recent issue > covered the late K models including the KA. > > Best Regards, > Joe Hi Joe Thanks you sir very much. Please feel free to add my personal details to the register, if you need an address use this one: Peter Lowe Maclean New South Wales Australia Can I use the information you gave me on my web site?? Kind regards Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 8 05:42:58 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - Ballot Box Stuffing - #19 Won!! Message-ID: <9cba280a93b01d691d9d2114afbf0e19.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Thanks folks!! The daughter of my colleague in Sweden won the bride picture contest. PS. My daughter and her husband won a weekend at Asia Spa in Varberg, that's great news :-) I guess I will be the babysitter that weekend - that?s my price :-) Eva-Lena http://www.varbergsstadshotell.com/main.aspx?pageID=83 See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 8 06:13:03 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection In-Reply-To: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> References: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <855f46096b62e06899f63e6444dc1f65.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Brilliant response! Joe, you are one helluva resource!! Thanks for posting this. See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 7, 2009 7:24 pm, Joe&Jewel Maurer wrote: > Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a type KA, > hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the Chicago Flexible Shaft > Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 identical engines were shipped to > Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July > 13, 1926. Flexible Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also > shipped Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper also > got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San Francisco Ca. > I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged Stovers including Judson > engines in Canada use the real Stover serial number so they show up in the records. > If you don't mind, I'll put your engine in the Stover registry. All personal > information is kept confidential. > > Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us a talk on > Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can answer many of your > Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover column in every issue of Gas Engine > Magazine. The most recent issue covered the late K models including the KA. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 8 09:00:18 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:00:18 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to manufacture this way. Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? Many thanks for any explanations. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Fri May 8 09:22:41 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:22:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20090508162304.5EA97678380@secure.fsr.com> The principle of electrical induction requires three things: 1) Magnetic field, 2) Electrical conductor, 3) Relative movement between the two. Of course, we always think of the copper coil as being the conductor; but, wait a minute! The iron core is also a conductor. Electrical currents can be induced in the iron, as well. Think of the laminations as being a way of discouraging those electrical currents--called eddy currents--in the iron core. Ideally, the laminations are insulated from one another with a layer of varnish. By breaking the core into thin laminations the electrical path is chopped into tiny pieces. Suffice it to say, in these coils eddy currents are not good. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:00 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Magneto coil question Hi Guys, Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to manufacture this way. Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? Many thanks for any explanations. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri May 8 09:45:48 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:45:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question Message-ID: <20090508164548.723A876B834C@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, A solid steel core will retain magnetism. A laminated core will not. This is important because for good induction we need to go from zero magnetism to full then back to absolute Zero. If a magnetic field remains in a core we do no get that. Its the raising and "complete" collapse of the magnetic field that we need to create or induce the voltage in the secondary windings. This is the short and sweet of it. Theres more in the detailed scientific theory but that's all we really need to know. Mark At 12:00 PM 5/8/2009, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core > of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier > to manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core > (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: >05/08/09 06:34:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From rolfb at accima.com Fri May 8 10:02:03 2009 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:02:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4A04658B.4010300@accima.com> Jerry - Very good reason to make the core laminated. To reduce what's called eddy currents which if the laminates were not insulated from each other would hurt the efficiency of the device. Do a google on "Eddy Current loss" for many hits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core Regards, Bob Moses Lake, WA. USA Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a > coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to > manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in > a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri May 8 14:12:03 2009 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:12:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4A04A023.8010305@earthlink.net> Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a > coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to > manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in > a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Reduces heat due to eddy currents induced in the iron. Bob Holtzer From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 8 07:24:53 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:24:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - Ballot Box Stuffing - #19 Won!! Message-ID: <20090508.215148.1476.0.jlb94> Thanks folks!! The daughter of my colleague in Sweden won the bride picture contest. = = = = = Hey Arnie - That's Great !! Glad I could help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Save on Moving Supplies. Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQdZElg07sXw29r7j9gkBLdUf7E40n2Nt95ZwiRTmIMAJcajzEVSg/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 9 20:19:08 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:19:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20090509.201908.1196.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today my local club was invited to participate in a car and tractor show at Cal. Poly. University Pomona . Here are a few pictures of cars, tractors and engines. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCK-b49mb 4bm1tgE# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTK8PF9aloKKe4l5PCChj5DILXDQ11UTYC6oku70FhccuHa6nEH7F2/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 10 04:14:28 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:14:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Petra on TV in Oz Message-ID: Completely off topic but... Petra (the new workshop foredog) will be on TV on Wednesday the 10th of June. She will be on 'The New Inventors' on ABCTV at 8pm. She did not cause too much havoc in the studio :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun May 10 05:58:09 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:58:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] My engines are for sale... will be listed on ebay over coming weeks Message-ID: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> Hi there, Thought I'd give my fellow list members first crack at my engine stable since I've finally gotten off the fence and decided to sell them. I have three main hobbies that consume space around here, steam engines, stationary engines and my model railway. Of course my time is also eaten by family, work, Scouts and the Puffing Billy Railway! Anyway, I've found a walking beam steam engine than I want much more than I want my engine collection and I need to finance the purchase. I'll create a web page sometime this week with photos but many can already be found on www.steamengine.com.au All of these engines have been stored dry in a shed. For the most part they have not been run in the last eight to ten years. All will need some attention to make them go. All are runners. I can give you a repro manual with the engine. The following engines are available. * 3hp Stover open crank hit and miss (badged as Cooper) with a Wico EK - 1920's * 4hp Ottawa Throttle governed open crank (most likely the only 4hp Ottawa in Australia as I brought it home from USA myself) - would have powered a drag saw - this engine had a freeze crack in the head which has been repaired by welding and has not given any dramas - I've always had problems with speed control on this machine - 1920's * New Record Dragsaw (steel frame version) with three blades powered by a 3hp Rosebery vertical - needs a better drive belt - 1940/50's * Two reel mowers (cannot remember the brand right this second) from around 1920's * Rosebery 3C complete 1930's * Rosebery 3C incomplete but has new gaskets, rings, etc 1950's * Southern Cross 4 P on (non orignal) transporter - I'm told this engine is quite unusual in that only a few of this configuration were made - it has round circular holes in the cast base which most don't have. I'm not selling the Maytag or SPB from my website. I gave the Maytag to my kids and the SPB will go back to the land holder it came from when I finish it as I promised him I would not sell it. There will also be a bunch of engine related tools that will be available since I won't need them anymore such as: * new in box parts washer * 2 ton chain hoist * big threading die and handles (up to 2" pipe) with a few dies I have a Lucas RS-1 magneto (sparks but not fantastic) and an assortment of reproduction mufflers that I'll work out what they are and list them later. Expressions of interest are invited. Offers won't be accepted before I make the site with photos of each engine showing their current condition. Any engines without interest will go onto ebay later this week. Regards Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 09:08:24 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:08:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try corn cobs. Any ideas out there? Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 09:21:06 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:21:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Petra on TV in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78D5AB19-2C13-4EE0-B8DB-AA84F598363C@rustyiron.com> DirecTv in SoCal doesn't serve up Aussie TV stations. Youtube? Hula? Joost? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 10, 2009, at 4:14 AM, Patrick wrote: > Completely off topic but... > Petra (the new workshop foredog) will be on TV on Wednesday the 10th > of > June. She will be on 'The New Inventors' on ABCTV at 8pm. She did > not cause > too much havoc in the studio :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun May 10 10:36:55 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:36:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Hi Tom, Use some detergent and water to remove the oil you just put on them. Then, dilute a pint or quart of molasses with water, one or two parts water to molasses and put that in the bucket covering them. Cover with Saran wrap to reduce evaporation. Find a spot in one of your sheds where you won't kick the bucket over and leave it until Fall. At that time, rinse, wipe dry and oil. I think you'll have what you want. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 5/10/2009 11:15:29 AM Central Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try corn cobs. Any ideas out there? Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rotigel at me.com Sun May 10 11:14:24 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F4F44E7-62DA-4A91-B180-76B5317E9610@me.com> When I have a need for a large tumbler I use my electric powered cement mixer. A friend used it this winter to clean (ie de-rust) about 200 lbs. of wrenches (etc) that he had given to him. Works REAL well. Use sand as a medium for real rusted "stuff." Dave On May 10, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets > 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well > over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain > for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are > covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to > remove > from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the > outsides, I am > dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I > would try > corn cobs. Any ideas out there? > > Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to > do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 > ) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 11:17:16 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:17:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/2009 1:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: Then, dilute a pint or quart of molasses with water, one or two parts water to molasses and put that in the bucket covering them Ron, Sounds like a great idea, but with one huge problem. I am going to have a terrible time putting the molasses in a bucket as it is much better on those home made sour dough rolls Millie makes every Sunday. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 11:19:09 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:19:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/2009 2:04:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: When I have a need for a large tumbler I use my electric powered cement mixer. Dave, Bring it to Evansville in June and we will do something productive rather than just sit there and watch engines run! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun May 10 12:12:42 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:12:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905101212x321e686dm58f7725e93b25528@mail.gmail.com> I second the molasses method. I had some tools with varying degrees of rust and I used that method. I pulled them out, cleaned them and returned the ones that still had rust to soak longer. Some had machined surfaces that came out with a matte surface, but they mic'ed at specifications to the thousandth. Paul in California From falcon at telenet.net Sun May 10 12:16:53 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:16:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A072825.1040806@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove > from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am > dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try > corn cobs. Any ideas out there? > > Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com Dump out any oil. Dump in some degreaser and slosh it around to remove more oil. Rinse. Dump in a gallon of Evapo-Rust. Let it set overnight. Drain out the ER through a funnel and a towel (filters out larger rust particles) put it back in the container to use again. Now rinse the sockets with degreaser/water and wipe dry. -- Steve Williams From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 14:27:16 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:27:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I will get some Evapo-Rust and try it first as the rust is only surface so far. I was starting to have slight panic attacks with the thought of having to part with my limited supply of molasses. Good stuff is hard to come by. Fortunately I have a friend who knows how to make the good stuff! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 10 16:10:36 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom: Go to your local paint store and get a bottle of "Ospho". That stuff will remove the rust. Then, to do as someone else suggested and wash 'em in a strong detergent. THEN, rinse thoroughly and add just enough water to cover the sockets and add some Ospho. Stir gently. The strength of the solution depends on how much rust there is and how patient you are. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:08 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] rust help > > > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a > bucket full of sockets 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand > price of $10. Well over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth > the $10. We had rain for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, > so they are covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire > wheel, but how to remove > from inside the sockets? ...........snip........................ > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 20:05:03 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:05:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cal Poly Pomona Show Message-ID: Here are some pictures from yesterday's show. A couple noteworthy items are the Hayward Tyler hot air engine, the only one known in the United States; the Samson by Cambell, again the only one known in the United States; and the full sized Holt replica, the six originals of which have all been lost. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 20:06:41 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:06:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cal Poly Pomona Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D6CDE8-5887-4B2A-A8EF-C1D63A97FC5F@rustyiron.com> In case you didn't get the URL telepathically: http://engines.rustyiron.com/CalPoly09 Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 10, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Here are some pictures from yesterday's show. A couple noteworthy > items are the Hayward Tyler hot air engine, the only one known in > the United States; the Samson by Cambell, again the only one known > in the United States; and the full sized Holt replica, the six > originals of which have all been lost. From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 11 06:21:05 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Matag oil can Message-ID: for the Matag guys look @ item 350199406605 on E-Bay Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 11 09:08:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:08:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Villiers engine book Message-ID: Hello guys; If anyone is looking for a book on the above check E-Bay Item # 160333157345 Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 11 18:13:31 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:13:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful hints on removing the surface rust from my bucket of sockets. I think I said that I bought them at a flea market Saturday and they had minor surface rust on outside and inside. I wire wheel brushed the rust off the outside. Today I purchased some Evapo-Rust, soaked them for a couple of hours, rinsed them all off and set out in sun to dry. The Evapo-Rust sure worked great. Nice and shinny. Thanks for that tip Steve. Much relieved I did not have to get out the good molasses! See photo of sockets. 80% Craftsman, some SK and Stanley, and a couple of junkers. largest 32 mm. I thought it was a great buy! _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon May 11 18:37:44 2009 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:37:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rust help References: Message-ID: <009501c9d2a2$3f58d110$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> It was a super buy!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: [SEL] rust help > Thanks for all the helpful hints on removing the surface rust from my > bucket of sockets. I think I said that I bought them at a flea market > Saturday > and they had minor surface rust on outside and inside. I wire wheel > brushed the rust off the outside. Today I purchased some Evapo-Rust, > soaked > them for a couple of hours, rinsed them all off and set out in sun to > dry. > The Evapo-Rust sure worked great. Nice and shinny. Thanks for that tip > Steve. > Much relieved I did not have to get out the good molasses! > > See photo of sockets. 80% Craftsman, some SK and Stanley, and a couple > of > junkers. largest 32 mm. I thought it was a great buy! > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg) > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Tue May 12 02:53:51 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:53:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My engines are for sale... will be listed on ebay over coming weeks In-Reply-To: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> References: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> Message-ID: <4A09472F.3090409@steamengine.com.au> I've started listing on ebay... http://shop.ebay.com.au/merchant/paulp4fsq Regards Paul pjp08 at steamengine.com.au wrote: > Hi there, > Thought I'd give my fellow list members first crack at my engine stable > since I've finally gotten off the fence and decided to sell them. I have > three main hobbies that consume space around here, steam engines, > stationary engines and my model railway. Of course my time is also eaten > by family, work, Scouts and the Puffing Billy Railway! Anyway, I've found > a walking beam steam engine than I want much more than I want my engine > collection and I need to finance the purchase. > > From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 12 07:28:16 2009 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold References: <000001c8b6da$b77da650$fa00a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in Modesto? I taking my Holt 45 engine. Dave in Nevada From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 12 08:17:16 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:17:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Engine Advertisements Message-ID: <08446509-50D0-4FE7-B503-EC3835DCC1B1@rustyiron.com> Last night I was searching through some old literature and thought it would be fun to photograph some of the advertisements. The collection is valuable and very delicate, so I don't like to handle it very often. Most of these ads are of regional interest, but a couple others are included just because I thought they were cool. http://engines.rustyiron.com/CaliforniaAds Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 12 08:13:51 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:13:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold Message-ID: <20090512.081352.556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. I will be there on Thursday afternoon to help Mark P. set up. It will be the first outing for my 5 hp FriscoStandard marine engine. We expect over 100 displayers. Should be a great weekend. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in > Modesto? > I taking my Holt 45 engine. > Dave in Nevada ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygIZFSFMENywe7n9sDb5jw0SqwcNDR3VBwemYu0HOPZCGz8LxsM/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 12 10:06:25 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:06:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] California Gold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090512190301.00c503a8@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 12/05/2009, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 >From: "Dave Ernst" >Subject: [SEL] California Gold > >Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in Modesto? >I taking my Holt 45 engine. >Dave in Nevada Hi Dave, It's a bit far for me but I do know that at least one of my "brass tags" will be there. . Enjoy the show. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 12 13:27:00 2009 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:27:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold References: <20090512.081352.556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0CCC305868AA4ED6BF9B5BD002201EE9@YOURA8CFD79427> I have a friend here that has a 2hp FriscoStandard. I might borrow it and bring it along. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] California Gold Hi Dave. I will be there on Thursday afternoon to help Mark P. set up. It will be the first outing for my 5 hp FriscoStandard marine engine. We expect over 100 displayers. Should be a great weekend. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in > Modesto? > I taking my Holt 45 engine. > Dave in Nevada ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygIZFSFMENywe7n9sDb5jw0SqwcNDR3VBwemYu0HOPZCGz8LxsM/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 12 16:17:53 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:17:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold Message-ID: <20090512.161754.1884.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Bring it along Dave, the more the merrier. Last year we had 85 California built engines. It looks like we will have a lot more than that this year. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:27:00 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > I have a friend here that has a 2hp FriscoStandard. I might borrow it > and > bring it along. > Dave > ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEFeRQRUTJUTW2PltJJQegGl9yhGcdeFrnl6CLYbgkfbyq145wdmI/ From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue May 12 19:01:48 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:01:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ca. GOLD Message-ID: <20090513020147.A487E444833@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, I'll bring some Ca. built Ballest. All it needs is the California WELDER GOD! CYA, Friday. Jimmy and Pam Jim O'Hagan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 06:44:37 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise From christison at coastalnet.com Wed May 13 07:22:13 2009 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0AD795.6090302@coastalnet.com> Ron, Tru: Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com Welton's Maintenance 4117 Copley Rd Copley, OH 44321 (330)666-1576 Ron Frost wrote: > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed May 13 07:25:34 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:25:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron Jack Welton is the man to talk to for pump parts. I did a google search on him and the first hit was a Smokstak thread listed here that has all his contact info: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59542 Any old style hardware store or McMaster Carr would probably have them as well. Keith > > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Wed May 13 07:42:19 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:42:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b801c9d3d9$05523f50$0ff6bdf0$@com> I needed a similar cup for an OLD forklift cylinder; took it to a saddle shop & found a scrap of leather about the right thickness & made one. Worked great; I think he charged me a buck or so for the leather scrap Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:41:38 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:37:38 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:37:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; I just ordered some from Lehmans.com mine were classed as cup leathers 1, 1/8" but they have more Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:47:35 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:47:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 13 08:13:26 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:13:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> Ron Frost wrote: > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to > restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston > packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call > them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle > where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can > I find them? > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > Lehmans Non-Electric carries them. So do many of the old Agway stores and some GOOD hardware stores have them as well. Failing that you can easily make them. Get a chunk of SMOOTH pipe with the same bore as your pump. (I use PVC or copper if possible) Now make a wood plug that will fit tightly into the pipe with a layer of WET leather around it (use tanned leather with the smooth side IN toward the plug, and round the edge of the plug so it doesn't tear the leather. Now to form the piston you cut a circle out of the leather that is larger than the piston you need by 1/2-3/4" SOAK it in warm water for a couple hours. Soak the wooden plug a bit as well you don't want it acting like a sponge when it hits the leather. Now center the leather over the pipe and force the plug into the leather/pipe. Let it set a day or two in a warm location to dry and the leather will set in the shape of the pipe bore and the nose of the plug. Once dry the leather will shrink a bit and the plug will as well allowing you to remove them from the form. Punch the hole in the middle and install. -- Steve Williams Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:30:16 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:30:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/13 frank skinner : > > I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? Did you post direct to their email addresses or to the list(s) ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 09:11:04 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi Peter; I posted to the list, they finally did pop up, just a long delay Thanks anyway Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:30:16 +0100 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help > > 2009/5/13 frank skinner : > > > > I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? > > Did you post direct to their email addresses or to the list(s) ? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 13 09:57:08 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> Message-ID: <886aa72fd1a5279a6b31b8b883e7b9ca.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> There was an article in GEM a few years back that described a similar process for making pump leathers. You could probably find it with a search on their website. See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 13, 2009 11:13 am, Steve W. wrote: > > Failing that you can easily make them. > > Get a chunk of SMOOTH pipe with the same bore as your pump. (I use PVC > or copper if possible) > Now make a wood plug that will fit tightly into the pipe with a layer of > WET leather around it (use tanned leather with the smooth side IN toward > the plug, and round the edge of the plug so it doesn't tear the leather. > > Now to form the piston you cut a circle out of the leather that is > larger than the piston you need by 1/2-3/4" SOAK it in warm water for a > couple hours. Soak the wooden plug a bit as well you don't want it > acting like a sponge when it hits the leather. Now center the leather > over the pipe and force the plug into the leather/pipe. Let it set a day > or two in a warm location to dry and the leather will set in the shape > of the pipe bore and the nose of the plug. > > Once dry the leather will shrink a bit and the plug will as well > allowing you to remove them from the form. Punch the hole in the middle > and install. From kimmell at verizon.net Wed May 13 19:37:53 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KJM000WE4NAJW50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Sometimes it takes a while for the mail server to forward stuff. There's been a few times it takes a day or more for them to show up. I have also gotten posts out of order occasionally as well. -Tony At 11:11 AM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >hi Peter; >I posted to the list, they finally did pop up, just a long delay From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 14 03:18:27 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Ron, Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years back. Contact me off list. Curt Andree -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : -------------- > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 04:06:10 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:06:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt; It would bebifit the list if maybe you could post the available sizes for all to see. B, Rgds Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Hey Ron, > Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years back. Contact me off list. > Curt Andree > -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : -------------- > > > > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my > > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where > > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 14 04:42:26 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:42:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <051420091142.18165.4A0C03A2000D658C000046F5223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Frank, Have quite a few orginal mfg boxs of various sizes leathers both flat flapper and cup. Problem is much of the sizes printed on the boxs have deterioted from age and almost have to open them to see what size is stamped on the actually leathers. Also I ment to say they were NOS not NOM, slip of the fingers. Iknow I am out of 3" ones as shipped a few last year to a list member. regards, Curt -------------- Original message from frank skinner : -------------- > > Hi Curt; > It would bebifit the list if maybe you could post the available sizes for all to > see. > > > > B, Rgds > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Hey Ron, > Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years > back. Contact me off list. > > Curt Andree > -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : > -------------- > > > > > > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore > and drive it with my > > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or > what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole > in the middle where > > > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > > > Ron Frost > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 14 06:32:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:32:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V 10hp evaluation please Message-ID: Hi all Can you guys in the US give my a valuation on a 10hp R&V Triumph Line engine please. Running, complete and I think restored. I am waiting on photos. This is not for me, a lady contacted me as her father has passed away and she is wanting to sell it. It is in mid Missouri if anyone is interested. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From curt at rustyiron.com Thu May 14 07:25:14 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59346.168.215.206.73.1242311114.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, Looking over your photos.....that's some pretty neat wheel and spoke work you did on the tractor wheel! Enjoyed looking at these photos. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it > with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one > would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the > middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where > can I find them? > > ?Ron Frost > ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > ? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 07:46:16 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <760093.19465.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you, I was pleased with the results. I think they look pretty much like the full sized John Deere rears of the era. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Thu, 5/14/09, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: From: curt at rustyiron.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:25 AM Ron, Looking over your photos.....that's some pretty neat wheel and spoke work you did on the tractor wheel! Enjoyed looking at these photos. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it > with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one > would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the > middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where > can I find them? > > ?Ron Frost > ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > ? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 08:48:21 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: From: frank skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM Ron; try lehmans . com? i just got 1, 1/8"? from them,? that wew less than 3.00 each ? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner ? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 ? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > >? Ron Frost >???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos >? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 14 09:21:41 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:21:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0C4515.8040109@telenet.net> Ron Frost wrote: > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I > need on their web site. The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd > but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the > rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise They don't have a 10th of what they stock online any longer. Not sure why. -- Steve Williams From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 09:43:08 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:43:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; You should call them, the website doesnt give all they have. I'd go for 1 &7/16" cups. center hole can be punched with a gasket punch. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 09:54:52 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:54:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; Also here is a Mfg of cup leathers http://www.merrillmfg.com/product/08-WellPoints/WellPoints/cup.htm Merrill Mfg 866-532-7825 Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 10:34:19 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:34:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; Further to the Cup leather quest Do It Best hardware stores carry Merrill cup leathers Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 14 20:08:37 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:08:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A foolish thing Message-ID: I have done a foolish thing... Since my trailer is still out of action I can only rally the little engines at the moment. The foolish thing? I have test run the engines which means they will not run on the rally field. I pulled the cover of the AL R&V (which had not been touched since September). It started first pull (on stale fuel)! I also got the most precious (to me) engine out of storage, my old No.1 Eclipse. I cannot remember when it was last started but it also fired first try! Hopefully they will behave tomorrow. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu May 14 20:16:35 2009 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:16:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A foolish thing References: Message-ID: <00a301c9d50b$afa80330$210110ac@Chester> Good luck Patrick, i am loading my galloway tonight to take to a vintage day on sunday, i am not going to start it, im reasonably confident it will go, cheers, Chester. >I have done a foolish thing... > Since my trailer is still out of action I can only rally the little > engines > at the moment. > The foolish thing? I have test run the engines which means they will not > run > on the rally field. > I pulled the cover of the AL R&V (which had not been touched since > September). It started first pull (on stale fuel)! > I also got the most precious (to me) engine out of storage, my old No.1 > Eclipse. I cannot remember when it was last started but it also fired > first > try! > Hopefully they will behave tomorrow. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 11:33:34 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <550767.80856.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Right now, I'm trying to make the new leathers. We'll see how it goes. If it doesn't work I'll see if your suggested suppliers can help. Thanks everyone. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Ron Frost wrote: From: Ron Frost Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:44 AM Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 17 04:29:31 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:29:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA Message-ID: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> Hi All Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little paint. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 16 22:53:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:53:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C6EB92-52E4-4DF8-83A5-41CECBEDF92B@rustyiron.com> Nice iron, as usual, Patrick. Thank you for the pics. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 16, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Patrick wrote: > In the end I only took one engine to the Campbelltown Rally (due to a > midnight finish at work). Ron saved me a spot and once I quickly > unloaded > the 1hp R&V was still running and did not miss a beat all day. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/csm0509/index.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 16 22:33:06 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:33:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics Message-ID: In the end I only took one engine to the Campbelltown Rally (due to a midnight finish at work). Ron saved me a spot and once I quickly unloaded the 1hp R&V was still running and did not miss a beat all day. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/csm0509/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 17 15:29:31 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:29:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA In-Reply-To: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> References: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090517222926.56E28FC006@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Peter these are a popular little engine in OZ. I often take mine with me to fill a gap in the compund. I personally think 950 is cheap. I have seen planty of these sold for 12 to 14 hundred mark. New owner should be happy. At 09:29 PM 17/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 > >That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little paint. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 17 18:05:35 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:05:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA References: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> <20090517222926.56E28FC006@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8FFD9976007C4931A6F96FE3837545C0@your9e74d7efa7> Wow .........I 'll see what I can do about the one down the road that is just sitting there waiting ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA > Peter these are a popular little engine in OZ. I often take mine with > me to fill a gap in the compund. I personally think 950 is cheap. I > have seen planty of these sold for 12 to 14 hundred mark. New owner > should be happy. > > At 09:29 PM 17/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi All >> >>Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. >>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 >> >>That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little >>paint. >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>Skype name: ozengines >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 18 06:45:18 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:45:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum pictures Message-ID: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> Martin Perman has posted these excellent pictures at the Internal fire museum at Tan Y Gros in Wales. See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/MuseumsAtNight# Unfortunately it is outside my range for me to visit it myself! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 14:15:54 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Message-ID: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead to brake failure. Is this still the case? I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue has been resolved. My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't have an issue later. Curt Holland From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 18 14:42:10 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:42:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <97C9C8E9FADC45B18E7C0A9B863044B2@Ed> Hi Curt, I had a 1986 jeep with a British hydraulic clutch and a lot of problems with rubber parts. After about the forth rebuild, I used DOT 5, Silicone base and never had a problem again. I think AMC just blew off the incompatibility of DOT 3 break fluid and British rubber. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 15:14:38 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:14:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi, Curt. This is a subject over which I spend an abnormal amount of time pondering. In a nutshell, you can mix DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 without adverse effects to the system. They are all glycol based. DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and can allow a spongy feel. Eash spec contains a bunch of criteria, but he one of concern to most people is boiling point. The higher DOT specs have higher minimum boiling points. As you probably know, when your fluid boils, your pedal goes to the floor and it gets weird very quickly. Glycol based fluids are hygroscopic. As the fluid absorbs water, the boiling point plummets. The fluid even absorbs water as it sits on the shelf, so the recommended shelf life is two years. So, to answer your question, I don't think your sister will have a problem, unless she races her Volkswagon or uses it for hauling heavy loads down steep hills. She's probably better off that the guys went out and bought a new jug of fluid, rather than using a bottle that's been sitting on the shelf for several years. As a side note, I'm skeptical for the need for Castrol in European cars. More than likely, it's a rumor that was started by an overzealous Castrol salesman, or by a manufacturer who recomended Castrol in it's owner's manual. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 18, 2009, at 2:15 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone > brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and > lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the > issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she > doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon May 18 18:42:28 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:42:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Rob, are these fluids really compressible? No entrained gas bubblets? Not many liquids really compress. The whole world of hydraulics relies on near incompressibility and brake systems are a good example. Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but I'm surprised that any gas-free liquids compress. Elastomeric rubber does not compress unless there are air bubbles. It deforms just fine, but squeeze it in here and it bulges out over there. I thought gas-free liquids were the same way. Jim in Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Hi, Curt. This is a subject over which I spend an abnormal amount of > time pondering. In a nutshell, you can mix DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 > without adverse effects to the system. They are all glycol based. > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon May 18 18:55:28 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:55:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Can't help about foreign cars but I do know that soaking obsolete 2 cycle carb diaphragms in brake fluid is a standard practice to soften them up. I've talked to a couple different folks and there doesn't appear to be a set time you need to soak them. Of course I've talked to others that say it will ruin the part---but they never seem to have a plan B. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland > > From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 18 19:08:14 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:08:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4A12148E.3070007@telenet.net> curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? Used to be a problem with British and Euro vehicles. They were REAL fussy when it came to the fluids used because of the rubber blends they used in the brake parts. From what I have seen they started using better rubber in the late 80's for the most part. > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. Shouldn't be a problem. > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve Williams From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 19:14:21 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:14:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <8E5B2224-0883-429E-8C17-52DCF324C48E@rustyiron.com> On May 18, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? No entrained gas > bubblets? Not > many liquids really compress. The whole world of hydraulics relies > on near > incompressibility and brake systems are a good example. In ultra high performance systems, it's an issue. But you are absolutely correct about dissolved gasses, which are an even bigger issue. You can pull a vacuum on brake fluid, right out of the container, and get a shocking amount of air. It's not a big problem for grocery-getters, but for high-performance, it's critical. \ From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Mon May 18 19:54:55 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:54:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Message-ID: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Hey guys Anyone know anything about them? I've had them apart several times on one of my trailers; can't get it licensed until it passes inspection since it's from out of state. Ironically I'm licensing it as a farm trailer that don't require brakes or inspection so this is a one shot deal (tho I agree brakes will be nice) but can't get any kind of license without the inspection this first time. The coils have about 10 volts to them from the controller; checked each one individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. I'm pretty sure the controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another trailer I have last time I pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms seem to work pretty freely expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they took very little tightening. I tried driving it but they still didn't work. There was a little grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing them down w/diesel & drying them good with paper towels is the last thing I've tried; dark caught me before I got the last one finished. If they don't work this time anyone got any ideas? Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 18 20:39:23 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 18 20:45:06 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <36E710D7-C75C-4FF0-9BA1-37DFAB6775E7@me.com> On May 18, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? > > Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, Things are VERY different in KA than they are in Vermont! Dave From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon May 18 21:07:53 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Hi Rob, Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the > others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based > fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 21:30:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:30:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On May 18, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? Nah. Don't care enough. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 18 22:21:21 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:21:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/18 : > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > compatability with brake fluids. Curt et al: There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck and other car-related parts suppliers. It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days (1950's and 1960's) Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without problems. I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 06:00:10 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic clutches? Those are british. They use standard fluids. Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to the states? Bill > Can't help about foreign cars but I do know that soaking obsolete 2 cycle > carb diaphragms in brake fluid is a standard practice to soften them up. > I've talked to a couple different folks and there doesn't appear to be a > set > time you need to soak them. Of course I've talked to others that say it > will > ruin the part---but they never seem to have a plan B. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake >> fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most >> European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use >> Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead >> to brake failure. >> Is this still the case? >> >> I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the >> issue >> has been resolved. >> >> My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they >> bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't >> have an issue later. >> Curt Holland >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 06:01:43 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? > Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out > while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which > you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the >> others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based >> fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 19 07:31:40 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Message-ID: Lew: First, I think I'd check out the wiring. 10 volts at the coils seems a bit low to me. Maybe you have the trailer (and pulling vehicle) brake wiring strung with inadequate gauge wire. I'm not familiar with electric except for having looked at the guts of a system once a long time ago but I think that, if the armatures are too far from the magnets, there will not be enough force exerted by the magnetic field to make enough pressure on the shoes to do much braking. To me, the optimum armature setting would be the brake locking solidly at a point just before the armature and magnet touch. Could be that there is a linkage adjustment that can be made to fix the problem. I give advice without knowing all of what I'm talking about but that does not -stop- me. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 09:55 PM > To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Hey guys > > Anyone know anything about them? ........................snip........................ > The coils have about 10 volts to them from the > controller; checked each one > individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. > I'm pretty sure the > controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another > trailer I have last time I > pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms > seem to work pretty freely > expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they > took very little tightening. > I tried driving it but they still didn't work. > There was a little > grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing > them down w/diesel & drying > them good with paper towels is the last thing > I've tried; dark caught me > before I got the last one finished. If they > don't work this time anyone got > any ideas? > > Lew Best near Waco, TX From frappi at wcoil.com Tue May 19 06:40:59 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Unknown Carburetor In-Reply-To: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> References: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <20090519134055.9659D33C0408@mail06.wcoil.com> Would anyone have an idea what this carb is originally from? Any help would be appreciated. http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/uncarb1.jpg Thank You, Mark Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 19 06:54:40 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:54:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> Hi List, Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge the Maytag magnets ? I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 06:52:59 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:52:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Message-ID: <008f01c9d889$1f8c0900$5ea41b00$@com> Thanks Elden Wiring should be adequate as it's a factory built 2006 model trailer (but it has seen pretty hard use). Had one magnet open; I replaced it but that didn't help. The magnets have light weight springs to apparently make them lightly drag on the armatures constantly. They do pull a screwdriver to them when activated but don't seem very strong? A guy on another list said he had similar problems & finally gave up & took his to a shop; there was a diode near the tongue in a blue plastic housing that was bad. I'll be looking for something like that on it today for sure! Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew: First, I think I'd check out the wiring. 10 volts at the coils seems a bit low to me. Maybe you have the trailer (and pulling vehicle) brake wiring strung with inadequate gauge wire. I'm not familiar with electric except for having looked at the guts of a system once a long time ago but I think that, if the armatures are too far from the magnets, there will not be enough force exerted by the magnetic field to make enough pressure on the shoes to do much braking. To me, the optimum armature setting would be the brake locking solidly at a point just before the armature and magnet touch. Could be that there is a linkage adjustment that can be made to fix the problem. I give advice without knowing all of what I'm talking about but that does not -stop- me. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 09:55 PM > To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Hey guys > > Anyone know anything about them? ........................snip........................ > The coils have about 10 volts to them from the > controller; checked each one > individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. > I'm pretty sure the > controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another > trailer I have last time I > pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms > seem to work pretty freely > expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they > took very little tightening. > I tried driving it but they still didn't work. > There was a little > grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing > them down w/diesel & drying > them good with paper towels is the last thing > I've tried; dark caught me > before I got the last one finished. If they > don't work this time anyone got > any ideas? > > Lew Best near Waco, TX _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 19 06:57:33 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:57:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <2719CE048E31419381EE38503E496176@tommyd0x52gkco> Must depend on how big the foot is pushing the pedal. (I'd think to produce 30,000 psi it would have to push it through the floor!). I remember having a hydraulics course in college when doing undergraduate work in engineering. Its quite amazing the psi developed in hydraulic systems (I'm not necessarily speaking of brake systems here). It amazed me that things held together under the pressure exerted. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? > Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out > while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which > you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the >> others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based >> fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:11:10 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:11:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice Message-ID: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> >From another place: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ IN GENERAL 1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview. 2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them. 3. It's tacky to take an esky to church. 4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets. 5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take your ute and trailer to the funeral. DINING OUT 1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine. 2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand. ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME 1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist. 2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners. PERSONAL HYGIENE 1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using one's OWN ute keys. 2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money. 3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days. 4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, it alters the taste of finger foods and if you are a woman it can draw attention away from your jewellery. DATING 1. Always offer to bait your date's hook ? especially on the first date. 2 Be assertive. Let her know you're interested: 'I've been wanting to go out with you ever since I read that stuff about you on the dunny door two years ago.' 3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will say 11:00 PM, others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, it's your responsibility to get her to school on time. THEATRE/CINEMA ETIQUETTE 1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends. 2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you. WEDDINGS 1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift. 2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your popularity. (Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place) 3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance. 4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for the occasion. DRIVING ETIQUETTE 1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your gun's loaded and the roo's in your rifle sight 2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar doesn't always have the right of way. 3. Never tow another car using pantihose and duct tape. 4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to bring back beer too. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:12:45 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:12:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic clutches? > Those are british. They use standard fluids. > Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to the > states? > > Bill Bill: There may well have been derivative systems developed for the USA, and it would also have been around the time of the universal fluid that was developed to cover all systems. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 09:10:58 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition In-Reply-To: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> References: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> Message-ID: <4981.165.206.180.130.1242749458.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Just wanted to let Dave know to look at the topic line as this message about MAYTAGS came to me: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition I'm sure Dave programmed the filter in and fully agrees with its assessment. LOL Bill > Hi List, > Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge > the Maytag magnets ? > > I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > > I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > illness." > > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 09:14:50 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4997.165.206.180.130.1242749690.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> These were used very late 70's through the 80's but were in development mode earlier than that. A prototype was sent to England to develop the drivetrain, while the car used was already in production here. They had to change around the clutch to fit in the 4 wheel drive system and ended up going hydraulic. Not so sure the earlier 2wd version wasn't hydraulic as well, though. Either way, the car went into production in 1979 as a 1980 model and the hydraulics were Girling. And used standard fluid - nothing different than ordinary DOT brake fluid. Just curious.......... Bill > 2009/5/19 : >> What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic >> clutches? >> Those are british. They use standard fluids. >> Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to >> the >> states? >> >> Bill > > Bill: > > There may well have been derivative systems developed for the USA, and > it would also have been around the time of the universal fluid that > was developed to cover all systems. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 19 09:29:06 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:29:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold engine show Message-ID: <20090519.092909.1076.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last weekend was the California Gold engine show held in Modesto Ca. This was an invitation only show for California built engines. Over 80 engines were there. No rules, no ropes, just engines, good friends, good food, and a good time. 166 raw photos are up, captions will take a while so check back in a few days. Enjoy. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009?authkey=Gv1sRgC MzJnL3S29618gE# For those of you who have trouble with the URL wrapping, go here and choose the California Gold 2009. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. 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Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 19 10:35:06 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:35:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <008f01c9d889$1f8c0900$5ea41b00$@com> Message-ID: <20090519133506.E3SR6.2973178.root@mp11> ---- Lew Best wrote: > Connect a battery straight to the trailer brake wires, the wheels should lock up. If you have a DC amp clamp check the amperage to each wheel with the battery connected, then check it with the vehicle brake controller. Check for voltage in the ground wire while the brakes are engaged, indication of a bad ground. J.B. Castagnos From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:01:05 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <59357.168.215.206.73.1242756065.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Arnie, Many many years ago when I was doing the frame off restoration on the 1960 MGA I used the silicone brake fluid. The driving force was the fact that silicone brake fluid will not harm paint finishes. The way the brake reservoir is on an MGA, means that any drips or spills will fall onto a painted shelf which is part of the firewall assy. This part always has peeling paint on an MGA and looks terrible and rusty. The silicone brake fluid would eliminate this concern for this show car I was preparing. Truthfully it was horrible fluid. Rob spoke of compressibility.....call it what you want, but no matter how much you bled the brakes they were always spongy feeling. To top that off silicone brake fluid does not have near the lubricity of regular brake fluid. When you were bleeding you could feel a stick/slip/stick/slip as the seals traveled down the bore of the master cylinder of both the brake and clutch systems. I have never used the damned stuff since and now use regular old brake fluid. Curt > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue May 19 11:01:13 2009 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Message-ID: Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:10:59 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Peter et al: Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. It's sounds as if the general consensus is that rubber compounds and glycol based (non-silicone) brake fluids have been standardized and that mixing US Prestone brake fluid with Euro Castrol is likely safe today. Thanks everyone for the replies. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > 2009/5/18 : >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> compatability with brake fluids. > > Curt et al: > > There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who > also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. > There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. > > Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed > produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a > trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck > and other car-related parts suppliers. > > It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days > (1950's and 1960's) > > Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their > own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually > a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current > situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without > problems. > > I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT > standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:18:09 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59432.168.215.206.73.1242757089.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> >Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at > wwgrainger part # 4FE24. > Bruce Younger Bruce, Agree with you on the wire nuts, and for that matter even the connectors you list. I'm an advocate of soldering all wiring connections on trailers. Last summer I even soldered the wires into the brass connectors of the wiring harness plug. It had little pointy screws to make the electrical connection and this was beginning to loose conductivity. The solder fixed that for good. Curt From MBellar at aol.com Tue May 19 11:43:44 2009 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:43:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Message-ID: In a message dated 5/18/2009 11:35:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? > > Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, Things are VERY different in KA than they are in Vermont! Dave If I remember my pre E=MCC (where is the square key when you need it) physics lectures correctly, supercritical fluids such as carbon dioxide, ammonia and LPG at room temperature are compressible and increase in density with pressure while a pure liquid (as defined by the scientific community) does not increase in density as it's pressure is increased( i.e. non-compressible). Too bad Dr. John is not on the List to keep us informed on such issues and the newest uses of purse string sutures for birth control and rectal/vaginal prolapse resolution. Tom Bellar **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 12:33:08 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue May 19 13:02:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:02:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Message-ID: Lew; On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry proper current & deliver full voltage. { My $.50 worth } Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 19 13:06:19 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:06:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A13113B.4020202@telenet.net> Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/5/18 : >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> compatability with brake fluids. > > Curt et al: > > There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who > also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. > There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. > > Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed > produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a > trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck > and other car-related parts suppliers. > > It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days > (1950's and 1960's) > > Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their > own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually > a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current > situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without > problems. > > I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT > standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. > > Peter If you owned any of the Ford F series over the 1 tons with hydraulic brakes and hydro-boost you owned that damn Lucas/Girling brake system. We have that POS on the one Ford F600 we have in the department. If I ever meet the guy who decided to use that F%&k$d up system on those trucks I'll beat him over the head with it..... -- Steve Williams From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 19 13:29:39 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:29:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4A13113B.4020202@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20090519162939.1M574.2946230.root@mp15> > > We have that POS on the one Ford F600 we have in the department. If I > ever meet the guy who decided to use that F%&k$d up system on those > trucks I'll beat him over the head with it..... > > -- > Steve Williams I've never been to Detroit, but I can only imagine the engineers and the mechanics don't hang out in the same bar rooms. J.B. Castagnos From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 15:16:18 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:16:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Message-ID: <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Thanks Frank First I'm gonna solder all the connections & re-check for any abrasions, etc. & see if that cures the problems. The way it's wired is a double line going to the front axle on the right side that has a "branch" pair of wires to the left side of that axle & another branch pair to the right of the rear axle. This pair is connected to the right rear brake & another branch to the left rear brake. I have some liquid tape to paint the soldered connections with. If I can find my heat shrink I'll seal it with that also. We'll see......... BTW this may very well have been used around salt water; it's a dump trailer I bought near New Orleans that was used for clean-up after Katrina. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:03 PM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew; On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry proper current & deliver full voltage. { My $.50 worth } Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 19 15:57:28 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:57:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com > References: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090519225720.6E3C9198262@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Thanks for that Peter, it's always good to do a re-fresher every now and then. regards Russell At 12:11 AM 20/05/2009, you wrote: > >From another place: > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >IN GENERAL >1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview. >2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them. >3. It's tacky to take an esky to church. >4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets. >5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take >your ute and trailer to the funeral. > >DINING OUT >1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly >so as not to bruise the wine. >2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand. > >ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME >1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a >taxidermist. >2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners. > >PERSONAL HYGIENE >1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in >private, using one's OWN ute keys. >2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money. >3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days. >4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, it alters the taste >of finger foods and if you are a woman it can draw attention away from >your jewellery. > >DATING >1. Always offer to bait your date's hook ? especially on the first date. >2 Be assertive. Let her know you're interested: 'I've been wanting to go >out with you ever since I read that stuff about you on the dunny door >two years ago.' >3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will >say 11:00 PM, others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, >it's your responsibility to get her to school on time. > >THEATRE/CINEMA ETIQUETTE >1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the >movie ends. >2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have >proven they can't hear you. > >WEDDINGS >1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift. >2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your >popularity. (Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place) >3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund >and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance. >4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for the occasion. > >DRIVING ETIQUETTE >1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your gun's >loaded and the roo's in your rifle sight >2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar >doesn't always have the right of way. >3. Never tow another car using pantihose and duct tape. >4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite >to ask her to bring back beer too. > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue May 19 16:28:45 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:28:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: Lew; If it's a NOLA, Katrina trailer, I'd bet good $$$ its either been in, near, or under salt water, Cut back the wires @ every joint, to see if bright copper shows, if not salt may have wicked up in the ends, same with an insulation scrape that bare. Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much gonna give trouble later on. What is usually done as soon as the boat is up is to wash the connections with fresh water then a 50/50 solution of vinegar, crop back the ends & re-crimp the connectors, spay corrosion inhibitor. On trailers its often just better to rewire. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:16:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Frank > > First I'm gonna solder all the connections & re-check for any abrasions, > etc. & see if that cures the problems. The way it's wired is a double line > going to the front axle on the right side that has a "branch" pair of wires > to the left side of that axle & another branch pair to the right of the rear > axle. This pair is connected to the right rear brake & another branch to > the left rear brake. I have some liquid tape to paint the soldered > connections with. If I can find my heat shrink I'll seal it with that also. > We'll see......... > > BTW this may very well have been used around salt water; it's a dump trailer > I bought near New Orleans that was used for clean-up after Katrina. > > Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:03 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew; > > On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, > > paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. > > The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front > > of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. > > Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry > > proper current & deliver full voltage. > > > > { My $.50 worth } > > > > Best of luck > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed > tonight. > > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > > > Lew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. > Here's > > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing > to > > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of > our > > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > > > Bruce Younger > > > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > > > Madison, SD > > > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > > thereafter." > > > > E. Hemingway > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 16:49:08 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: <004801c9d8dc$677056b0$36510410$@com> The guy that had this bought it after Katrina for clean-up. He lived in Florida at the time (title shows he bought it new; Florida title & his addy was a Florida addy). He had several items related to storm clean-up but was selling it all out; said it was a hard way to make a living. I don't think it went thru the storm, was just used for clean-up. I haven't found any "green connections" so far. Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:29 PM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew; If it's a NOLA, Katrina trailer, I'd bet good $$$ its either been in, near, or under salt water, Cut back the wires @ every joint, to see if bright copper shows, if not salt may have wicked up in the ends, same with an insulation scrape that bare. Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much gonna give trouble later on. What is usually done as soon as the boat is up is to wash the connections with fresh water then a 50/50 solution of vinegar, crop back the ends & re-crimp the connectors, spay corrosion inhibitor. On trailers its often just better to rewire. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rotigel at me.com Tue May 19 19:42:27 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:42:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: On May 19, 2009, at 7:28 PM, frank skinner wrote: > Lew; > Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much > gonna give trouble later on. > Franklin S. Skinner And that's not the least of the problem for the captian and crew! Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Tue May 19 20:33:36 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 19 21:53:09 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <2ea2d6029823c3ba44f14008abba57d1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Well, when you come around that bend, late at night and hot on the throttle, and you spot that moose standing broadside in the road... 8-)) On Tue, May 19, 2009 9:01 am, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? From kimmell at verizon.net Tue May 19 21:52:09 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com > References: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KJX00L67EV3MZ70@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> lol, that's an Australian version of the Jeff Foxworthy etiquette list from back in the 90's... From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 19 22:15:26 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 01:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c3d601f32064d308e1a2f5fdc6cd276.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Ah, yes, the good ol' days... 8-))) On Tue, May 19, 2009 2:43 pm, MBellar at aol.com wrote: > Too bad Dr. John is not on the List to keep us informed on such > issues > and the newest uses of purse string sutures for birth control and > rectal/vaginal prolapse resolution. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 20 03:43:53 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 03:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Mark, You didn't tell him about cleaning the points with the folded corn of a $100 bill. If nobody else is around a plain old dollar bill will work I guess. ? I have seen fresh filed points give no spark until they were cleaned like that. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:10 PM Marks Magneto will take care if it for you. Sets up across from Jake Faith- Check Point Charley.? Get after the points with a metal backed fingernail file to level them then finish off with doubled over 230 grit paper. More times then not this is the problem. Modern point files are not worth a tinkers fart in this case.???Mark At 09:54 AM 5/19/2009, you wrote: >Hi List, >Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge >the Maytag magnets ? > >I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > >I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > >? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >? jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >? ? ,-._,-.? ? ? http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >? ? \/)"(\/ >? ? (_o_)? ? ???"There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental >illness." > >____________________________________________________________ >Compete with the big boys.? Click here to find products to benefit >your business. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.338 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: >05/18/09 06:28:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site???www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 20 11:52:18 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:52:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition In-Reply-To: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090520185213.D0B9676B833C@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi Alan, Actually no need to double it over just use two bill. GRIN. The Maytag points do not seem to need the final smooth dress like we are used to giving to others. They seem quite happy with a 230 grit dressing. Goes against everything I was taught and told on point conditioning but it works and works well. Maytags service manual only advises a 230 grit dressing and nothing else. Mark At 06:43 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote: >Hey Mark, >You didn't tell him about cleaning the points with the folded corn >of a $100 bill. >If nobody else is around a plain old dollar bill will work I guess. > >I have seen fresh filed points give no spark until they were cleaned >like that. > >Alan in Michigan > >--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:10 PM > > >Marks Magneto will take care if it for you. Sets up across from Jake >Faith- Check Point Charley. Get after the points with a metal backed >fingernail file to level them then finish off with doubled over 230 >grit paper. More times then not this is the problem. Modern point >files are not worth a tinkers fart in this case. Mark > > >At 09:54 AM 5/19/2009, you wrote: > >Hi List, > >Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge > >the Maytag magnets ? > > > >I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > > > >I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > \/)"(\/ > > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > >illness." > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > >your business. > >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVv > W6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.0.338 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: > >05/18/09 06:28:00 > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2124 - Release Date: >05/20/09 06:22:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From gastzt at aol.com Wed May 20 12:01:22 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:01:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: chamois skin REALLY works well, too! Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell?s full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) From james.kangas at timken.com Wed May 20 12:59:48 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:59:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The liberal justice system triumphs again. The next thing will be the thieves suing the engine owner for all the trouble he cause them. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 11:33 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 20 13:16:53 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:16:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Message-ID: <20090520.131654.672.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8Kc5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 20 13:47:29 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Message-ID: Ron, Those are some really nice engines to see. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 20 14:36:23 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:36:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090520213618.1FED53C07AC@mail02.wcoil.com> They had not actually done anything yet as far as the law is concerned. Just backed up to a engine not clearly visible from the road with the owners not home and loading gear in the truck. If the owner had came home and seen the ramps down and cables hooked on, then the intent would have been more clear. As it is now in New Hampshire where this happened, uninvited people are allowed to trespass when no signs are posted and do what ever they want as long as clear intent is not shown and they leave when you confront them. Myself personally I would not do what they had done. Most of us would have parked at the outer end of the drive way and went to the door first to knock . But not have intruded further untill the owner was present. So you in New Hampshire be warned it looks like anyone can come stomping around on your place without asking and look it all over, snoop around and then just leave if confronted and nothing can be done if No Trespassing signs are not posted. Mark At 03:59 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote: >The liberal justice system triumphs again. The next thing will be >the thieves suing the engine owner for all the trouble he cause them. > > Jim K. > >________________________________ > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mark Shulaw >Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 11:33 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire > > > >Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The >fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home >from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that >they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was >backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the >garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would >when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark > > > > >Mark Shulaw >Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do >not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken >Corporation >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2124 - Release Date: >05/20/09 06:22:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From obise at moscow.com Wed May 20 14:49:59 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:49:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold In-Reply-To: <20090520.131654.672.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20090520215021.E76E567867E@secure.fsr.com> Thank you for the great pictures and captions. At first glance I don't see any Golden Gate engines. Were there any at the show? We have one in our club, so rare that it isn't supposed to exist in its horsepower rating. I wonder if this group knows of it. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:17 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8K c5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 20 15:20:37 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:20:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za><20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> <20090520213618.1FED53C07AC@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <11DDF39893454E7095E73EE78435BB73@REG> So, a statement giving these facts and THE NAMES of these two needs to be put on the listso anyone else, finding them on their property, will know they are just looking! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed May 20 15:34:50 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:34:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold In-Reply-To: <20090520215021.E76E567867E@secure.fsr.com> Message-ID: <20090520223447.62CFE302850@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Orrin , Take a look at the Schilling. I think it predates the GG's There're are a few GG's around but they are rare.I know one lucky guy that has TWO! CYA, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B Iseminger Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:50 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Thank you for the great pictures and captions. At first glance I don't see any Golden Gate engines. Were there any at the show? We have one in our club, so rare that it isn't supposed to exist in its horsepower rating. I wonder if this group knows of it. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:17 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8K c5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed May 20 15:53:29 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:53:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090520225326.B99394054C3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 20 15:58:42 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:58:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info Message-ID: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a portable going by description? Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Wed May 20 16:27:57 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:27:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <20090520225326.B99394054C3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed May 20 21:41:32 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:41:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info References: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> Hi Russell, My book has 118865.....4/1/1917.his eng. No. is close to that date. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info > Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any > info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also > 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a > portable going by description? > Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 20 23:19:31 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:19:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info In-Reply-To: <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> References: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20090521061921.356C3358003@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Thanks Brian, a good starting point Russ At 02:41 PM 21/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Russell, >My book has 118865.....4/1/1917.his eng. No. is close to that date. >Brian. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:58 AM >Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info > > > > Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any > > info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also > > 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a > > portable going by description? > > Russell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 21 00:19:32 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:19:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > Peter et al: > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > The guys in Oz used another kind of Amber Coloured fluid ...... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 21 01:22:48 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905210122ub92bc78x5dbae0f2e3d88c32@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > Peter et al: > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > > It's sounds as if the general consensus is that rubber compounds and > glycol based (non-silicone) brake fluids have been standardized and that > mixing US Prestone brake fluid with Euro Castrol is likely safe today. > > Thanks everyone for the replies. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > As promised, I had a look at a new brake fluid container this morning, and it states that is is compatible with or exceeds the requirements of FMVSS116*** DOT 3 and DOT 4. Synthetic based according to SAE J 1703. DOT 5 is silicone based and not compatible with any other mineral or synthetic brake fluids as far as I can find. *** http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Vehicle%20Safety/Test%20Procedures/Associated%20Files/TP-116-04.pdf Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 21 02:27:05 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 05:27:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ponders the "Amber Coloured fluid" used in OZ ;-} and may not wanna know Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:19:32 +0100 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > 2009/5/19 : > > Peter et al: > > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > > > > The guys in Oz used another kind of Amber Coloured fluid ...... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu May 21 04:15:12 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 04:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. ? It would be a lot better to catch them on video. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:27 PM I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. ???Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them? ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Thu May 21 07:33:55 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:33:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DD409D688184E55880A692E39A0F605@FAMILYROOM> or the freezer and feed grinder method ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. It would be a lot better to catch them on video. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:27 PM I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 21 07:51:32 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:51:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.com> Actually " If they do not have a weapon " should be "If no weapon is found." Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. Paul - another pacifist in California From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 21 16:47:05 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu May 21 18:01:09 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:01:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c9da78$cb1484a0$613d8de0$@com> Sorry officer, but these crazy thieves tried to run me over with their truck. I had to shoot them! Case closed! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 21 18:27:46 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:27:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: We have the thieves on video there all in Washington. In a message dated 5/21/2009 7:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 21 18:41:44 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:41:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. = = = = = Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 21 19:39:09 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:39:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <5387449816345876769@unknownmsgid> References: <5387449816345876769@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905211939g4ec350d9mab4696eee3e8fac4@mail.gmail.com> > Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been > told. > = = = = = > Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > Also a > Also a "drop gun" .. . or so I heard. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 21 20:19:18 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Message-ID: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity under the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Thu May 21 23:45:36 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 01:45:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KK1008OW9G8AL60@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> What is this "registering of guns" that you speak of??? At 09:51 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Actually " If they do not have a weapon " should be "If no weapon is found." >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. > >Paul - another pacifist in California From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 22 06:56:50 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 06:56:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> References: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> Message-ID: <4a168500.0807c00a.3c61.ffff9e62@mx.google.com> No Joe that is called being smart these days. We had a small store owner back a few years that kept getting robbed at night. so owner spent a few nights there after sending away his auto. second night in they came he fired first shot bird shot and said next kills. The guy came at him with a screw driver in his hand owner said i was not joking. he stopped. Owner was arrested charged but then set free self defence assistant da said he was guilty because he waited for them. [laying in wait] Judge said da was crazy R Fink At 09:41 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been >told. >= = = = = >Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental >illness." >____________________________________________________________ >Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 22 07:03:36 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:03:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4a168691.0504c00a.666a.ffffd829@mx.google.com> Tommy in that case that would be like shooting your car. You don't shoot your RIDE lol R Fink At 11:19 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: >You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is >you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a >constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the >constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to >his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity under >the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the >family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > >Alan wrote: > > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > > > >Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws >state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in >danger. No weapons needed. > >My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself >or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore >the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. > >-- >Steve >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri May 22 05:04:05 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:04:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). Judge Turner, Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently stands, if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? Just Curious, Mike From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 06:39:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:39:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <8E0E588C-7A10-46D5-8C3E-EB54B3AC566F@me.com> On May 21, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your > home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a > constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the > constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to > his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity > under > the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the > family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. > > Tommy Turner Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts that he was simply "defending his home?" Dave From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 06:42:11 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:42:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: On May 22, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your >> home is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike Hi Mike, MOST states make a distinction between your home and your barn--not sure about KY! Dave PS, Judge Turner, Could the Castle Law be found unconstitutional because it discriminates against the homeless? From bgrimley at bellsouth.net Fri May 22 07:03:04 2009 From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:03:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: <052220091403.1119.4A16B098000827A50000045F22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net> On a highly related subject , if you are in a situation in the US, were in your opinion it becomes necessary to shot someone, you will no doubt be "invited" to talk to an officer of the law. Well worth anyones watching is part 1 of a law professor's lecture "never talk to the police" [you might have to copy and paste this, or search youtube.com with the words "never" and "police"]. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVq6N0xAEEM Note: Part 2 is good also. Part 2 link appears at end of part 1. > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 22 07:12:28 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:12:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090522.102711.1504.3.jlb94> Hi Rich, Actually, I was just being "smart". The first handgun I bought was a "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:56:50 -0700 Richard Fink Sr writes: > No Joe that is called being smart these days. > We had a small store owner back a few years that kept getting robbed > > at night. so owner spent a few nights there after sending away his > auto. second night in they came he fired first shot bird shot and > said next kills. The guy came at him with a screw driver in his hand > > owner said i was not joking. he stopped. Owner was arrested charged > > but then set free self defence assistant da said he was guilty > because he waited for them. [laying in wait] Judge said da was > crazy > R Fink > > > At 09:41 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: > >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've > been > >told. > >= = = = = > >Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > \/)"(\/ > > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > >illness." > >____________________________________________________________ > >Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! > >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM 8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 08:05:53 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:05:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Mike, The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you merely think someone might steal something. But, this is where the big gray area comes in. Someone might feel there life is in danger if they merely see a stranger on their property. Others may not feel their life is in danger until someone pulls a knife or gun. It gives the prosecutors and defense a lot to challenge on both sides and if anyone can tell me how a jury knows what the person actually "feels" we'll write a book and make millions. In the case in my county, the lady didn't have a gun or knife but had access to them in the home. The gent, who did have a gun, stated he felt his life was in immanent danger as she would get a gun or knife and try to kill him. ????? This trial will last a while I'm sure and will end up before the Supreme Court in some form or fashion to determine the validity of the law. If he wins the question is asked "is the law too broad as simply feeling threatened will allow any homeowner to kill anyone who enters there property" (I sure hope I don't run out of gas in front of that person's house and walk up to it to find out where the nearest station is). If he looses the challenge will be "the law states he has the right to use deadly force if he feels his life is threatened and in this case he did". Perfect fodder for the courts! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). Judge Turner, Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently stands, if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? Just Curious, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri May 22 08:10:55 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> References: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> "... The first handgun I bought was a "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop !" Hey there; sounds familiar. I was 13 and bought a .38 Webley (a British revolver) from a former cop neighbor that apparently had a few weapons that he "picked up" on his beat. He and another cop told me to never register a gun; but you can no longer buy one without registering it. Paul in California (No, I no longer have the gun) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 09:50:18 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:50:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8E0E588C-7A10-46D5-8C3E-EB54B3AC566F@me.com> Message-ID: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> Dave, The attorney's would love, I'm sure, to get you as an "expert witness".... This case will certainly be interesting. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts that he was simply "defending his home?" Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 10:02:32 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:02:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Well Dave, here in KY it is difficult at times to tell the house and barn apart! In regards to the discrimination situation, I remember a gent having his water turned off for failure to pay the bill. An ACLU attorney appeared on his behalf stating it was a clear case of discrimination against the poor. The guy's water didn't come back on though until he paid the bill! I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never been late on my rent since". Sometimes things do work out! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Hi Mike, MOST states make a distinction between your home and your barn--not sure about KY! Dave PS, Judge Turner, Could the Castle Law be found unconstitutional because it discriminates against the homeless? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 22 11:55:28 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:55:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> References: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A16F520.8000403@telenet.net> P. Johns wrote: > "... The first handgun I bought was a > "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop !" > > Hey there; sounds familiar. I was 13 and bought a .38 Webley (a British > revolver) from a former cop neighbor that apparently had a few weapons that > he "picked up" on his beat. He and another cop told me to never register a > gun; but you can no longer --- Legally --- buy one without registering it ---in some states---- BUT there are still many states that have no registration and all states can only run the NICS checks if your buying from an FFL. I can sell you any firearm out of my collection with no paperwork. (well not the full auto toys, because the Federal Transfer paperwork has to get filed) What you do with it after that is your problem. > > Paul in California (No, I no longer have the gun) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 22 12:00:01 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well Dave, here in KY it is difficult at times to tell the house and > barn apart! In regards to the discrimination situation, I remember a > gent having his water turned off for failure to pay the bill. An ACLU > attorney appeared on his behalf stating it was a clear case of > discrimination against the poor. The guy's water didn't come back on > though until he paid the bill! > > I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago > that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom > unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. > She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. > The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. > While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. > However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty > beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing > room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". > Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told > her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her > rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol > and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft > ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her > out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a > home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I > saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said > "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never > been late on my rent since". > > Sometimes things do work out! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an idiot... If Judges used common sense and thought things out like you seem to, the judicial system might actually work! Of course the lawyers wouldn't like that because they would lose money on appeals cases... -- Steve Williams From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 13:41:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:41:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> Message-ID: > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > idiot... > Steve Williams Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. Dave PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit in his courtroom! From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Fri May 22 16:54:32 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:54:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT electric trailer brakes; they're fixed! Message-ID: <00c801c9db38$a9e57ad0$fdb07070$@com> Hey guys Finally found the problem by accident. Had tried everything I could think of & finally started pulling wheels again (thought I'd had them all off multiple times) but had obviously skipped one. What was so mysterious near the end was that I could hook direct to a battery & they'd work but when I hooked them to the truck no voltage. I hooked my other trailer with electric brakes up though & they worked fine. I'd replaced one coil & it was on the wheel I apparently kept ignoring; seemed to work ok with a battery & having a new coil I never dreamed anything was wrong. The wires are held away from the spinning wheel by some clips that clip to one of the brake shoes. Apparently I scuffed the wire a bit putting the clips on as it was fried between 2 clips. I had enough good wire left coming from the coil to solder new wires to & all is now well. So it's now licensed, inspected & title transferred finally! Lew near Waco, TX From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 18:30:59 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Steve, Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for her van!). Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a report that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked the Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been on me for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always told them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months pregnant). She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there with a shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said they would have some good stories to tell the new little one. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > idiot... > Steve Williams Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. Dave PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit in his courtroom! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri May 22 18:55:20 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:55:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2009 9:35:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months pregnant). Tommy, That is funny. Nice to live in an area where folks know each other and can do stuff like that without complications. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rotigel at me.com Sat May 23 04:16:58 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 07:16:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he wears. See:m http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver Dave On May 22, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes > to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for > her > van!). > > Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! > About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a > report > that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to > someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked > the > Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it > looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to > worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't > have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been > on me > for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always > told > them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll > quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months > pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there > with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said > they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > >> OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an >> idiot... >> Steve Williams > > Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. > Dave > PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit > in his courtroom! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat May 23 04:14:15 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 07:14:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > merely think someone might steal something. Tommy, Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray areas... how can that be? :-)) Take care, Mike From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 06:04:34 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:04:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> Message-ID: Dave, Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right now! Never had to "call" on it but if needed, I could! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he wears. See:m http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Re volver Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 06:19:34 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:19:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Message-ID: <8C54F734EB1A4266865F24A33D851227@tommyd0x52gkco> See the problem is Mike if I pull into the house and see someone loading up some iron I would probably consider my life was in danger..... (I certainly know there's would be!). For those of you that have been to my place you know you have to drive back a blacktop lane about 1/10 of a mile. For someone to be back there, they have intentions to pickup something. Luckily I've never lost much other than some tools. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > merely think someone might steal something. Tommy, Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray areas... how can that be? :-)) Take care, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 23 08:01:29 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:01:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: Now THAT'S funny!!!!!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 08:31 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves .....................snip...................... > Back to the shotgun, the young gent and > gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would > be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was > about 4 months pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew > him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad > standing there with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made > and the couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 23 08:05:16 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:05:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy & Dave: I'd consider one of those for my home but I wonder if that .410 shotgun load would take off my wrist when I fired it. If useable, it would really be nice in close quarters. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 08:05 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > > Dave, > Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right > now! Never had to > "call" on it but if needed, I could! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under > the robes that he > wears. See:m > http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details. cfm?id=199&category=Re volver Dave From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat May 23 08:47:06 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <22252.96423.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tommy, Let's see...elected official....common sense....sense of humor... Nope, you definitely ain't from around THESE parts. Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > She said he's big joker.? I know of him and knew him > to be one.? So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing > there with a > shotgun on his hip.? A lot of photos were made and the > couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little > one.? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY nary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 10:08:36 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:08:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> Elden, The best one I had though was a couple that came in and asked if I could marry them immediately. I told them yes and the groom said "yeah, we need to get to the hospital because her water broke on the way here". Talk about cutting it close! I did my abbreviated ceremony and had them hitched in a couple of minutes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Tommy: Now THAT'S funny!!!!!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 08:31 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves .....................snip...................... > Back to the shotgun, the young gent and > gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would > be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was > about 4 months pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew > him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad > standing there with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made > and the couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cwja at telus.net Sat May 23 11:01:28 2009 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:01:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4A1839F8.20900@telus.net> I have to jump into this discussion because it reminds me of my father who was in his time a professional photographer, the Senior Citizenship Judge of Canada, and in his retirement years was a Marriage Commissioner. Oh and by the way he played his own full church organ that he had in his house. My mother was a great cook and for a time I lived at home with them while I was qualified as a Commissioner for Oaths. Your "close call couple " reminds me of the very pregnant bride in full white gown, a groom in blue jean attire and no shoes or socks who arrived at our home at 11:00 am, told Dad they could not wait the 2 hours to get some better ID and whom we parked in our front driveway which should have had "Quick; Sooner; NOW" signs for arrivals. Dad married them , I signed a statuary declaration from their witnesses as to their age and identity, Dad whipped out his camera and took the wedding photo, strode over to the organ and played the wedding march, mother put out a spread of sandwiches and goodies , and they were gone off to where they needed to be lickidy split! BTW, thanks to the members of the list who responded to my what show to visit in eastern Canada and the States this summer. No firm plans yet but some ideas for sure. Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >Elden, > The best one I had though was a couple that came in and asked if >I could marry them immediately. I told them yes and the groom said >"yeah, we need to get to the hospital because her water broke on the way >here". Talk about cutting it close! I did my abbreviated ceremony and >had them hitched in a couple of minutes. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Sat May 23 06:16:05 2009 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:16:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1243084565.16589.7.camel@ralph> In many states, such as Louisiana, it is legal to use lethal force for self defense in a situation where "a reasonable person would be in fear for his life". It doesn't matter what your emotions were at the time; What is important is what a reasonable person would feel knowing what you knew at the time. People are not judged by circumstances that they were not aware of, only what they knew at the time. The Louisiana castle law goes further and states that it is reasonable for one to be in fear of his life if someone has invaded his home for any criminal intent. The laws are different in every state but similar in many. The laws are very different in other countries. Try looking at the laws in the U.k. Pete. On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 07:14 -0400, Michael Tucker wrote: > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > Mike, > > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > > merely think someone might steal something. > > Tommy, > > Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood > the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray > areas... how can that be? :-)) > > Take care, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 17:46:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:46:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT Message-ID: Hi All Just for your interest in international relations. http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p Look through these photos sent in to ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) web site. The photos submitted over the last 24 hours from "ozengines" are mine. These photos cover the floods and coastal storm damage 200km either side of where I live over the last week. Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 18:12:26 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:12:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 10hp R&V engine for sale Message-ID: Hi all I am placing this here to give you guys a fair crack at this engine before it get national coverage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Bottom of for sale page Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat May 23 18:53:45 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:53:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well done Peter, great photos. was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland Kerry > > http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 19:12:35 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:12:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT References: Message-ID: <689919E8F9254959AE04D445CE758814@peterlowe> Hi Kerry All should be fine by then. Peter > well done Peter, great photos. > was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland > > Kerry >> >> http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p > AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Sat May 23 19:45:14 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 22:45:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AC40785-D2F7-45BB-ABC8-AFD5491D42CE@me.com> Elden, I have not shot the piece as yet, but understand that it's NOT as bad as my S & W .357 Air Lite SC Dave PS, If you ever have to use it (close up) your adrenaline will be so high you won't feel a thing! On May 23, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Tommy & Dave: > > I'd consider one of those for my home but I wonder if that .410 > shotgun load would take off my wrist when I fired it. > > If useable, it would really be nice in close quarters. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 08:05 AM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves >> >> >> Dave, >> Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right >> now! Never had to >> "call" on it but if needed, I could! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] >> On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves >> >> I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under >> the robes that he >> wears. See:m >> http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details. > cfm?id=199&category=Re > volver > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 19:59:53 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:59:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <2FB9A6FDA3174D65A565A70E650A3F9D@peterlowe> OK, to all Gurus, Sages, Engine Wizards and the like, what engine is this??? Trying to help out an R&V Register member http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mystery_engine.htm Peter, Oz From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 20:22:03 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:22:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: <2FB9A6FDA3174D65A565A70E650A3F9D@peterlowe> Message-ID: That's a model N Hercules (could have been sold under the Economy name). Its rated at 1 1/2 HP I think although I've seen a lot of people list them as 1 HP. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:00 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine OK, to all Gurus, Sages, Engine Wizards and the like, what engine is this??? Trying to help out an R&V Register member http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mystery_engine.htm Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Sat May 23 21:31:52 2009 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:31:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71DD0340B54D4F48B9B37C8EFBBDCA3F@CamPC> Thanks for the update Mate, are you and Kay OK. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT > well done Peter, great photos. > was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland > > Kerry >> >> http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p > AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat May 23 22:26:37 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:26:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 Message-ID: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 22:52:01 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Probably low voltage Reg. 24 Volts DC Pete > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat May 23 22:57:17 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:57:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: <4A18E1BD.30902@steamengine.com.au> ! R & M Ingold wrote: > For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat May 23 23:12:52 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:12:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: <4A18E564.2040601@steamengine.com.au> Having worked around trams (trolleys for you 'merikans) for a long time I don't think so. Listen to the whine of the traction motor - that sounds like a series wound high voltage DC motor. Much like the 'W' class trams. If it was low voltage you would use a rectifier or some other voltage regulator not the controller they had sticking out of the box - they're for high voltage. The insulators on the wire also suggest high voltage - with 24 volts you could use a stick as an insulator - the ceramic blocks look to be about 10cm long. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > Probably low voltage Reg. 24 Volts DC > Pete > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 24 02:48:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:48:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tractors in the flood Message-ID: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> Hi All Even in the flood the green and yellow shines out, see middle of photo. http://contribute.abc.net.au/_Levee-Wall-Boulevard-Maclean/photo/3858065/32422.html?enlarge=true Peter, Oz From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun May 24 03:57:19 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:57:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: Message-ID: <006d01c9dc5e$69779150$ebd14c0c@D48VHZ61> This thread reminds me of what the wife's uncle told me. He was glad he took the classes and got his concealed carry permit. He didn't consider it taught him anything about what he could do but rather what he could NOT do with a gun. John Hall From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 06:03:22 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:03:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10hp R&V engine for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFA9C08-FC5E-4BC6-8D42-8DA49BCC09F1@me.com> Hi Peter, If it's an auction how does "a fair crack before it get[s] national coverage" help? Dave On May 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > I am placing this here to give you guys a fair crack at this engine > before it get national coverage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm > > Bottom of for sale page > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 07:58:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Reg: Ahh, yes.....the good 'old ay Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:27 AM > To: SEL List; slick Willie List > Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 08:06:25 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Dontcha hate it when you fumble the keyboard and send an incomplete message????!!!! .......................................... Reg: Ahh, yes.....the good 'old days afore OSHA! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:27 AM > To: SEL List; slick Willie List > Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 07:19:17 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 7:19:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. Message-ID: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 07:19:12 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:19:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. Message-ID: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. J.B. Castagnos From gastzt at aol.com Sun May 24 07:23:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:23:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2009 9:05:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Elden, Just a GREAT website--GREAT work---I am your age and just getting going good with these old engines! FUN stuff! GREAT photos---and THANKS! Stan Zettner (old Stovers), Pleasanton, Texas **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322948x1201367184/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 24 07:35:08 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:35:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> References: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> Message-ID: The best thing to do is call Cat, have the model & S/N of the machine also if possible same on the engines. Cat can usually never do much for you without the S/N, on anything. Just my $.50 worth. best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:19:12 -0400 > From: jbcast at charter.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. > > Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 07:51:01 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:51:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> References: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> Message-ID: <20090524145059.17FCC76B831A@mail07.wcoil.com> Scrap value is pretty darn low right now so below scrap value is gonna be real cheap! Mark At 10:19 AM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer >plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I >think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a >friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back >to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather >beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone >(on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I >remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I >can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. >J.B. Castagnos >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 08:55:37 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi All, What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun May 24 09:46:46 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:46:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.com> Just look at Wall Street for integrity. I once made a deal on some equipment - over the phone - and told the guy that it was his as soon as he paid the agreed $3000. (He had a reputation of not following through) The next day I got a call from someone else who knew the equipment and offered me $4,500, I told him about the other deal and said he could have it if the other guy didn't buy. The first guy showed up and that was that. I may not be smart, but I do try my best to keep my word. Paul poor but honest in California PS: I was never in the position to steal millions like the Wall Street people do, so I haven't really been tested. From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 10:19:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:19:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090524171901.578E13C06EC@mail02.wcoil.com> Hi Paul, That's the way I was taught to deal and I've always dealt. Mark At 12:46 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Just look at Wall Street for integrity. > >I once made a deal on some equipment - over the phone - and told the guy >that it was his as soon as he paid the agreed $3000. (He had a reputation of >not following through) The next day I got a call from someone else who knew >the equipment and offered me $4,500, I told him about the other deal and >said he could have it if the other guy didn't buy. The first guy showed up >and that was that. I may not be smart, but I do try my best to keep my word. > >Paul poor but honest in California > >PS: I was never in the position to steal millions like the Wall Street >people do, so I haven't really been tested. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun May 24 10:26:59 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:26:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2009 11:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Hi Mark, Sorry to hear you found an integrity impaired person as a business associate. They are out there, and, since you have been dealing for a while, your chances of finding some are good. Not long ago in Virginia I was approached by a fellow who wanted to purchase our home as we were moving. I drew up a contract which included price, amount down, and, deadlines for completion with the down payment being forfeit should the buyer not do his part in a timely fashion. He failed to be on time and then asked for the return of his down payment. I refused to give it back, telling him I would consult with my attorney as to how to proceed. My attorney told me that, unless I could prove I had been harmed, a court would instruct me to refund the down payment and that proving harm would be difficult if not impossible. In short, verbal OR written contracts are of little value. That tells me that a fast transaction is the best way to go, providing little time for either buyer's or seller's remorse. I still like the technique offered by our mutual friend, Evil Dave, where you press cold cash into the seller's hand, telling him as you do so, that it is in full payment for the item sitting before them. It is really hard for a person who wants to sell to hand back the cash simply because it might not be as much as they would like. Regards, Ron **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 10:48:48 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark The other fella may not have known another deal was in the works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, $800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything was fine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Hi All, What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 12:02:44 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan: Thanks a bunch! I do it for you guys and am always glad to know that my efforts are appreciated. I take it you saw the Stover DV-2 on the site? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 09:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 > > > > In a message dated 5/24/2009 9:05:34 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Elden, > Just a GREAT website--GREAT work---I am your > age and just getting going > good with these old engines! FUN stuff! GREAT > photos---and THANKS! > Stan Zettner (old Stovers), > Pleasanton, Texas From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 12:24:09 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:24:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Mark > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime that >I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give them >a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the mail >the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the details >on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might send a >check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, $800 >balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I purchased >an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me that it would >be several months before I could pick it up. He said no problem. I >told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he said not to but >I insisted and that when he got the check to please initial the memo >line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I counted out the >cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I told him that was >the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled check and showed him. >He apologized that he was wrong and everything was fine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >Hi All, > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never >interrupt a negotiation in progress. >#2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed >out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten >rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US >engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me >of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a >price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the >engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the >price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to >dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he >quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me >yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another >fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off >to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price >that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I >had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting >courtesy of a call for a second chance. > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years >now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a >mans word means nothing. > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating >till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk >away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of >negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not >matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 13:15:49 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> Boy, what a jerk Mark. I had a guy call me once that had a 10 HP Mogul and an 8 HP Famous that I had been trying to buy. He asked what I would give. I told him and he said OK when do you want to come and get them? I said how about Saturday? He said OK. I drove about 2 hours and got to his place and he said to come in. We went in the house and he said "I have to get the other guy on the line". I asked what he meant and he said "the other guy that I'm trying to sell them to". When he dialed the number and the other guy answered he said "I've got an offer of X for the Mogul and Famous and wanted to see what you would give". I spoke up, loud enough that the person on the other end of the line could hear me and said "but you've already sold them to me, I made you an offer and you accepted it and now I'm here to pick them up". The person on the other end of the line recognized my voice and said he wouldn't pay as much as my offer. That night after I got home the other buyer called me and said the seller had called and said he would call him on Saturday morning to get an offer on the Mogul and Famous. He didn't know he was being placed in the middle of this scheme by the seller. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Mark > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime >that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give >them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the >mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the >details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might >send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, >$800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I >purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me >that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no >problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he >said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please >initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I >counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I >told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled >check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything >was fine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >Hi All, > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt >a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal >is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst >the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. >Friday I was talking to a > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine >parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a >engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and >he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines >condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It >was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well >I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price >and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a >"Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. >Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I >told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had >offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. >He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second >chance. > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. >Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word >means nothing. > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till >the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if >they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in >progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would >pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 24 13:42:45 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:42:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: Mark, Reminds me of the time I had "bought" a used truck a couple of years ago. Heard about a used truck with very low mileage, so I called and went to see it. Sure enough there sat this immaculate truck in a garage, very low mileage, etc. Also in there was a nice travel trailer. I finally asked why he was getting rid of it. He answered that he did not need an expensive truck to pull his camper 50 miles down the road twice a year. We agreed on the price, shook hands, and he asked to keep it a couple of days to remove his cb radio and electric brake system. Two days later, on the evening before I was to pick it up, phone rang and he said he changed his mind and not going to sell it. I just hung up the phone, as I was not happy, and it was still his truck! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 14:01:12 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the one. And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too crooked or stupid to know why. Mark At 04:15 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Boy, what a jerk Mark. I had a guy call me once that had a 10 HP Mogul >and an 8 HP Famous that I had been trying to buy. He asked what I would >give. I told him and he said OK when do you want to come and get them? >I said how about Saturday? He said OK. I drove about 2 hours and got >to his place and he said to come in. We went in the house and he said >"I have to get the other guy on the line". I asked what he meant and he >said "the other guy that I'm trying to sell them to". When he dialed >the number and the other guy answered he said "I've got an offer of X >for the Mogul and Famous and wanted to see what you would give". I >spoke up, loud enough that the person on the other end of the line could >hear me and said "but you've already sold them to me, I made you an >offer and you accepted it and now I'm here to pick them up". The person >on the other end of the line recognized my voice and said he wouldn't >pay as much as my offer. That night after I got home the other buyer >called me and said the seller had called and said he would call him on >Saturday morning to get an offer on the Mogul and Famous. He didn't >know he was being placed in the middle of this scheme by the seller. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:24 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then >Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark > > >At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: > >Mark > > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the > >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime > >that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give > > >them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the > >mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the > >details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might > > >send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, > >$800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I > >purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me > >that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no > >problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he > >said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please > >initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I > >counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I > >told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled > >check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything > >was fine. > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark > >Shulaw > >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > > >Hi All, > > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I > >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few > >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt > > >a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal > > >is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst > >the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. > > >Friday I was talking to a > > > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine > > >parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a > >engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and > >he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines > >condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It > >was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well > > >I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price > > >and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a > >"Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. > >Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I > >told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had > >offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. > >He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second > >chance. > > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the > >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they > >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to > >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and > >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. > >Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word > > >means nothing. > > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people > >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette > >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till > > >the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if > >they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in > > >progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would > > >pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the > >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > > > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > > > >Mark Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > > > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby > >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: > >05/24/09 07:09:00 > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 14:52:02 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:52:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524145059.17FCC76B831A@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524175202.H2SC4.3223605.root@mp14> ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: > Scrap value is pretty darn low right now so below scrap value is > gonna be real cheap! Mark > > Both of em for $300. J.B. From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 24 15:42:27 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:42:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold people accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, with out it no one trusted the person. My $.50 worth Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: frappi at wcoil.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the one. > And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. > Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too > crooked or stupid to know why. > Mark > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 16:40:31 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:40:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> You are so right, now its to hard and expensive to make someone stand up to their word because you have to sue them, that no one has any fear of welshing on a deal. Especially on relatively small deals like these. I'd like to speak this persons name in public as a welsher but I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. Even with a hand shake deal you usually needed a witness to swear it to a judge. Mark At 06:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold people >accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would >have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. >Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal >fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, >with out it no one trusted the person. > > My $.50 worth > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant >3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: frappi at wcoil.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped > that's the one. > > And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. > > Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too > > crooked or stupid to know why. > > Mark > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 16:54:50 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:54:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com><77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4E74F6277B1447D297DEB0A21F397F0E@REG> Is this not just one more symptom of the overall moral degeneration ? When you have political leaders with NO respect for the truth, if it goes against the direction they wish to go, then you will have a lot who are prepared to follow this example in their daily lives. I also agree that Dave's way, with cash, is about all that is left. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > > > > > The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold > people > accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would > have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. > Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal > fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, > with out it no one trusted the person. > > My $.50 worth > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: frappi at wcoil.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette >> >> Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the >> one. >> And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. >> Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too >> crooked or stupid to know why. >> Mark >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 17:03:56 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: <751307.97106.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bummer when you run into someone like that. It must hurt more because you have dealt with him in the past. I used to work with a guy like that. We made a deal for me to buy a set of duel?semi tire chains at his quoted price.? I wanted to drive to his place right after work and do the deal. He just told me, "No, I will bring them tomorrow." He called someone that night and got more for the chains. Honor meant nothing to him. This was a man that would eat his lunch every day in one area just because it was a handy place to twist up a bunch of scrap wire into a tight bundle that would fit in his lunch box. ? At the 1999?Buckley, Michigan show?I ran into a man named Clarence Towne. He had a c. 1911 Cushman model 21 type X 1 1/2 hp TG engine for sale and he told me I could have it for $300. I told him I would be back within three hours because?I had to make a run to the? credit union for the money.? He said the engine was mine. I was back there with the cash in just under two hours and there were two guys looking at it.? ?I went to hand Clarence the $300 and one of them pushed my hand away and told Clarence he would pay $600 for the engine. Clarence said, "No, and the engine is his for $300." Then the other guy pulled out a wad and counted out $600. He held out $300 to Clarence and said, "For the engine." He held out $300 towards me and said, "Take it and walk away." ? I just laughed, pushed his hand away and handed my $300 to Clarence. I told those guys that new money comes around all the time but they aren't making these engines any longer. ? It was really a sad day when Clarence died several years later. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:55 AM Hi All, ? What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted.? And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. ? Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now.? Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. ? Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru? then you could start to deal,? Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! ? What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless?? ? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site???www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 24 17:15:41 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:15:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> On May 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity > out the window and go ruthless? Mark An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the actions of others. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 18:42:00 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > (Nationally known US > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > Mark Shulaw AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 18:47:37 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:47:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be > wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. > Mark I think you need to consult a lawyer as to the definition of "slander!" Dave PA, Anyone can sue ANYONE for ANYONE for ANY reason they want! From obise at moscow.com Sun May 24 19:01:34 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:01:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> Rob, that is a profound statement. Truly. I'm adding it to my list of quotations. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the actions of others. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun May 24 19:38:16 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust Message-ID: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick and brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun May 24 20:02:51 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans Message-ID: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to this GREAT country ! So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they choose ! Thank you. Kevin Mosier 2598 Eddycreek Eddyville, KY 42038 From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 20:07:51 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust In-Reply-To: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20090524230751.8X51W.3200894.root@mp07> ---- Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust > removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for > light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water > jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large > windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick and > brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for any > ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > Jim, go to the site below and see what George Coates does with heat. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/91556.html#POST16229 J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 20:41:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, On May 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. Has anyone EVERV gone before your court after shooting someone dead and pleaded the they really were NOT in fear of thrir life? Dave > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home > is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun May 24 20:25:05 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:25:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> Message-ID: <9F05E4D77A734AEEBD3F962ECE301AF7@FAMILYROOM> YES !! ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi All, >> (Nationally known US >> engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) >> Mark Shulaw > > AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON > YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 20:44:39 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:44:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Please tell him/her/it that I'm availiable==PhD and all! Dave On May 22, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > The attorney's would love, I'm sure, to get you as an "expert > witness".... This case will certainly be interesting. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia > will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts > that he was simply "defending his home?" > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 24 20:44:10 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:44:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090524233952.0c81cc80@ncweb.com> By not naming the person, all list members have probably made a guess as to who it is. Thus possibly many innocent persons are being unfairly placed under suspicion. It's probably better to name the person and clear the others. Dave Merchant At 09:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi All, > > (Nationally known US > > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > > Mark Shulaw > >AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON >YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 20:48:39 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:48:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave, You'd be surprised at people's reasoning for doing the things they do. I remember when one gent shot another in the head. Luckily it didn't kill the other guy (in fact, it never even knocked him out). When asked why he pulled the trigger (both were very intoxicated at the time) he said "well, we were talking about which one of us was a better shot and he told me I couldn't hit the side of a barn from 50 feet, so, I took about 20 paces from him and proved that I could". The biggest "fear" involved here came from a bottle! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Hi Tommy, On May 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if you > feel your life is in danger. Has anyone EVERV gone before your court after shooting someone dead and pleaded the they really were NOT in fear of thrir life? Dave > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home > is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 24 21:00:13 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:00:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> References: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090524235857.0c81fc70@ncweb.com> The bigger version... http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver Dave At 07:16 AM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he >wears. See:m >http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver > Dave > >On May 22, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > Steve, > > Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes > > to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for > > her > > van!). > > > > Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! > > About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a > > report > > that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to > > someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked > > the > > Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it > > looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to > > worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't > > have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been > > on me > > for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always > > told > > them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll > > quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be > > married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted > > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months > > pregnant). > > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I > > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there > > with a > > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said > > they > > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > > Rotigel > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > > > > >> OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > >> idiot... > >> Steve Williams > > > > Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. > > Dave > > PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit > > in his courtroom! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 24 22:03:55 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:03:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h><4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> <052220091403.1119.4A16B098000827A50000045F22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net> Message-ID: <004b01c9dcf6$34f55a50$83674b47@mikecomp> I watched the whole series and found it eye-opening. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > On a highly related subject , if you are in a situation in the US, were in > your opinion it becomes necessary to shot someone, you will no doubt be > "invited" to talk to an officer of the law. Well worth anyones watching > is part 1 of a law professor's lecture "never talk to the police" [you > might have to copy and paste this, or search youtube.com with the words > "never" and "police"]. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVq6N0xAEEM > > Note: Part 2 is good also. Part 2 link appears at end of part 1. > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 22:18:42 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust References: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6B2C3040BEBE4F9EBEB8F40536A11CFE@REG> An idea to consider. There was an inboard made here in Oz that had a copper 'dome' waterjacket fitted as standard.(Cant recall the name) It was held in place by a retaining nut. The spark plug in the centre was in a sort of short tube as part of the inner cylinder. The nut screwed down on this. Could be a way out as there wont be the stress from welds. If it is real bad, Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust > Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust > removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for > light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water > jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large > windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick > and > brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for > any > ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 22:23:01 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:23:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans References: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: The slopes wont take your 'freedom'. Your Pollies will!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "John McCain" ; "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to >this GREAT country ! > So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they > choose ! > > Thank you. > > Kevin Mosier > 2598 Eddycreek > Eddyville, KY 42038 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:15:28 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:15:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> Message-ID: <20090525061526.4B05C1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Not with the concerns these days of the arse suing for slander which I can not afford to defend against. Mark At 09:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi All, > > (Nationally known US > > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > > Mark Shulaw > >AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON >YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:19:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:19:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090525061901.2792B3C0310@mail02.wcoil.com> I may be overly concerned with this worry but who knows now a days. I think all I should do is drop it and deal with the fellow no more. But let him know why I will not deal with him any more or offer him anything I get that he might want. Mark At 09:47 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be > > wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. > > Mark > >I think you need to consult a lawyer as to the definition of "slander!" > Dave >PA, Anyone can sue ANYONE for ANYONE for ANY reason they want! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:20:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:20:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090525062000.D60923C0310@mail02.wcoil.com> You are absolutely correct. Thank You, Mark At 08:15 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity > > out the window and go ruthless? Mark > >An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the >actions of others. > >Rob Skinner >Antique Stationary Engines >La Habra, California > >rob at rustyiron.com >www.rustyiron.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 25 00:41:09 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:41:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> References: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <30ED1141D978424CB21D6EC0EEFD5C40@KerryPC> All free thinking people from the whole free world should thank all the current and past USA Armed Forces for their deeds in helping to give us the life style we enjoy. My thanks to. We must not let the PC mob to sanitize what has happened in the past in teaching our young. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz Lest we forget to our American friends >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to >this GREAT country ! > So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they > choose ! > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon May 25 05:01:13 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets Message-ID: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Let us all be thankful for the brave men and women who have paid the price for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second thought all too often. Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank you so very much for your service to your country and freedom loving people everywhere. Thank you, have a good day. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 05:30:43 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:30:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets In-Reply-To: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Message-ID: <8A72AF8E22A04BECB1F84995938B3AA9@tommydk7hxjr4h> Amen to your comments Arthur. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ArthurDeana Southwell Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:01 AM To: ATIS-SEL Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets Let us all be thankful for the brave men and women who have paid the price for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second thought all too often. Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank you so very much for your service to your country and freedom loving people everywhere. Thank you, have a good day. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 25 06:48:50 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:48:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reg: I couldn'ta said it any better! Every time I see a soldier, I silently thank them for my freedom. Take care - Elden (Vietnam-era veteran) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:23 AM > To: slick Willie List; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans > > > The slopes wont take your 'freedom'. > Your Pollies will!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "John McCain" ; "The SEL > email discussion list" > ; > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans > > > >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed > forces for your service to > >this GREAT country ! > > So that we can live our lives free of > oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > > all have to continue our old iron search and > collection, without the fear > > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with > ak47s. And taking what they > > choose ! > > > > Thank you. > > > > Kevin Mosier From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 25 06:50:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets In-Reply-To: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Message-ID: Thanks, Art! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of ArthurDeana > Southwell > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 07:01 AM > To: ATIS-SEL > Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets > > > > Let us all be thankful for the brave men and > women who have paid the price > for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second > thought all too often. > > Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank > you so very much for your > service to your country and freedom loving people > everywhere. > > Thank you, have a good day. > > > > > > Arthur Southwell From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 25 06:21:30 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:21:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will help point us in the right direction? PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? regards Russell From kimmell at verizon.net Mon May 25 07:05:52 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I've sold cars on Ebay before and a couple people have used DAS Auto Shippers to ship their cars. I didn't pay for the shipment, so I don't know about their prices, but the buyers seemed to be well pleased. -Tony At 08:21 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car >transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny >in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will >help point us in the right direction? >PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? From george at irontrader.com Mon May 25 07:23:33 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:23:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c9dd44$630a3de0$291eb9a0$@com> I was in the Air Force from 1967 to 1973 but never went to Viet Nam. Was lucky to have stayed in the States most of it and a few of those years in Germany. This morning another veteran friend and I are going out for breakfast. The local "Black Bear Diner" gives a free meal to any veteran on Memorial Day and Veterans Day. It's the only business I know of that actually does something tangible to show thanks. George Ps... only two more days till I head for Europe again! EHOWT09 is coming fast!! From Frank at lbpinc.com Mon May 25 08:39:38 2009 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> References: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> Message-ID: <20090525153944.1025457DD1@gw1.nlenet.net> I had a deal on a used car. Went to pick it up and the guy called someone to see if he could get more. I told him that I had just learned he was not a man of his word and I no longer trusted anything he had said about the car. Then I walked. The other guy didn't buy either. Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon May 25 10:46:51 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Theives Message-ID: <96423924E3C94AC898B0A242F44D0A95@FAMILYROOM> We had some crack heads living down the road from us. And a meth manufacturer - dealer in 1/2 mile, both at the same time. They are in prison now and much better people bought the properties since then. After loosing a mig welder, air compressor and lots of USA tools. Idiots even unbolted the carb off the 560 and took it to. So I went to the county atty to see what my option`s were. He said that in kaintukie ( KY ) we just as well have a welcome mat as any NO TRESPASSING signs. That I would have to catch them red handed, and hold them while waiting 1/2 to 1 hour for the law to get out here. We live way out of town in a very rural community. We have not missed anything other than a couple 5 gal safety cans full of gas during the ice storm. And I guess that was my fault for leaving the garage open 24/7 For easy access to gas for the gennys we had to run for 27 days of no electric. Tommy, is this really the way it is ? Or was the County ATTY just brushing us off ? I even went to the Sherrif after the Husky saw come up missing, along with the farmer up the road that had his Sthil saw and mantis tiller , weedeaters stolen the same night. We had info that our property was at the local bootleggers. So the Sheriff went and found the other guys stuff there, he told who had brought the things to him for beer. Never found none of the things we had stolen. Allthough I heard though the grapevine that the Miller was traded for 2 - 12 packs of Bush beer. Now we have some cameras to vcr and beeper alerts. Main problem is the shop is across and down the road a little, and time I get up and down there middle of night. Yall know how it is and I think it may start happening again way things are going. Kevin Mosier Eddyville, KY From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 25 12:25:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:25:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > >Hi Paul, > That's the way I was taught to deal and I've always dealt. >Mark. Howdy Mark, Same here! I was always told that a mans word is his bond. Like a handshake (the British kind - not the one that those football stars use :-)). I've got into this thread a bit late but have been following it. I cannot comment on your bad experience - but do agree that a name should be mentioned but your "American" laws make that dangerous for the victim. I'm "old school" and believe that "Men" should keep their word. (Sorry Gals on the list - no harm intended to you). I run my own small business and it does occasionally happen that I will quote an incorrect price (more often than not in the customers favour). What I've often come across is that a competitor doing the same will go ahead and accept the order and then invoice for a greater amount. He will then "argue the point" and usually get what he wants. I DO NOT work that way - if I quote a price I will stick to it (even if I'm losing on the deal). (My word is my bond - as my Dad taught me.) Yes, I will tell the customer that I made a mistake and reserve the right to "requote" on the next job but on this job I will only charge him what I quoted. Fortunately I do not make too many mistakes like this :-). Jerry. P.S. If my mistake is in my favour and the customer still places the order then "I rub my hands in glee" ! From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 13:17:30 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Theives In-Reply-To: <96423924E3C94AC898B0A242F44D0A95@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: Kevin, There is trespassing statutes in KY that makes trespassing a criminal offense. It can be criminal trespass in the first, second or third degree. For our old iron purposes, second and third degree criminal trespass would apply. If you have your old iron sitting behind a barn (or even just beside the road on your property for that matter) and someone is there monkeying with it, they can be held for criminal trespass in the third degree. Here is the statute in regards to it: 511.080 Criminal trespass in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. If they have to cross a fence or go into a shed, then they can be held for criminal trespass in the second degree. Here is the statute on it: 511.070 Criminal trespass in the second degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon premises as to which notice against trespass is given by fencing or other enclosure. Nothing in the law says the property has to be posted for the the above statutes to apply although it would be a good idea to do so. In regards to your county atty. And his response, I wouldn't want to say he is totally incorrect. You can't charge someone with a misdemeanor offense in KY unless that person is seen in the act committing the offense. They can't be charged because some "thinks" they broke the law. If you, or someone, actually sees the person on your property and is willing to sign a sworn statement to that effect, then something can be done. There is exclusions to the trespassing statutes. They include allowing government employees to enter personal property for certain reasons and allowing land surveyors, when surveying adjoining property, to enter other properties necessary to perform the survey. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of oldiron62 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Theives We had some crack heads living down the road from us. And a meth manufacturer - dealer in 1/2 mile, both at the same time. They are in prison now and much better people bought the properties since then. After loosing a mig welder, air compressor and lots of USA tools. Idiots even unbolted the carb off the 560 and took it to. So I went to the county atty to see what my option`s were. He said that in kaintukie ( KY ) we just as well have a welcome mat as any NO TRESPASSING signs. That I would have to catch them red handed, and hold them while waiting 1/2 to 1 hour for the law to get out here. We live way out of town in a very rural community. We have not missed anything other than a couple 5 gal safety cans full of gas during the ice storm. And I guess that was my fault for leaving the garage open 24/7 For easy access to gas for the gennys we had to run for 27 days of no electric. Tommy, is this really the way it is ? Or was the County ATTY just brushing us off ? I even went to the Sherrif after the Husky saw come up missing, along with the farmer up the road that had his Sthil saw and mantis tiller , weedeaters stolen the same night. We had info that our property was at the local bootleggers. So the Sheriff went and found the other guys stuff there, he told who had brought the things to him for beer. Never found none of the things we had stolen. Allthough I heard though the grapevine that the Miller was traded for 2 - 12 packs of Bush beer. Now we have some cameras to vcr and beeper alerts. Main problem is the shop is across and down the road a little, and time I get up and down there middle of night. Yall know how it is and I think it may start happening again way things are going. Kevin Mosier Eddyville, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 13:21:44 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:21:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> My dad once told me "if you tell somebody you're going to do something, do it even if it takes the hide off of 'ya". That's what I've always tried to do. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I DO NOT work that way - if I quote a price I will stick to it (even if I'm losing on the deal). (My word is my bond - as my Dad taught me.) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 25 15:51:35 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:51:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust Message-ID: <20090525225132.2F70665B4C0@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks Reg and JB. For the suggestions. The Baker marine engine was in the same condition as my Peters Machine Co. Builders two cylinder inboard. Mr. George Coates does REAL nice work. Thanks again Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 25 16:09:03 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:09:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless Message-ID: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon May 25 16:49:50 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:49:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Theives References: Message-ID: <9CD857CAFF2B4B6582A494639F9297C2@FAMILYROOM> Tommy, thank you for the definition of KY law on this. Also I want to make sure that you know. The Lyon Co. atty that said this to me has been voted out at the last election. No wonder, he does have a private office still in town. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Theives > Kevin, > There is trespassing statutes in KY that makes trespassing a > criminal offense. > It can be criminal trespass in the first, second or third degree. For > our old iron purposes, second and third degree criminal trespass would > apply. If you have your old iron sitting behind a barn (or even just > beside the road on your property for that matter) and someone is there > monkeying with it, they can be held for criminal trespass in the third > degree. Here is the statute in regards to it: > > 511.080 Criminal trespass in the third degree. > (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he > knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. > > If they have to cross a fence or go into a shed, then they can > be held for criminal trespass in the second degree. Here is the statute > on it: > > 511.070 Criminal trespass in the second degree. > (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when he > knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon premises as > to which notice against trespass is given by fencing or other enclosure. > > Nothing in the law says the property has to be posted for the > the above statutes to apply although it would be a good idea to do so. > In regards to your county atty. And his response, I wouldn't want to say > he is totally incorrect. You can't charge someone with a misdemeanor > offense in KY unless that person is seen in the act committing the > offense. They can't be charged because some "thinks" they broke the > law. If you, or someone, actually sees the person on your property and > is willing to sign a sworn statement to that effect, then something can > be done. > > There is exclusions to the trespassing statutes. They include > allowing government employees to enter personal property for certain > reasons and allowing land surveyors, when surveying adjoining property, > to enter other properties necessary to perform the survey. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 17:07:45 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:07:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> Jimmy, They work identical to the McVickers engine. The design is a bit different but the principal is the same. Steve Royster has a very nice 1 HP McVickers that runs like a watch. He might provide some insight. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:09 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon May 25 19:15:52 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:15:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will send me your address. Steve > From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:07:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Jimmy, > They work identical to the McVickers engine. The design is a > bit different but the principal is the same. Steve Royster has a very > nice 1 HP McVickers that runs like a watch. He might provide some > insight. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim > O'Hagan > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:09 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. > Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely > understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression > pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up > photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy > O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:03:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:03:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160905260303v32f88a01kd3319c45ef953526@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/25 Judge Tommy Turner : > My dad once told me "if you tell somebody you're going to do something, > do it even if it takes the hide off of 'ya". That's what I've always > tried to do. > > Tommy Turner Quite right, and something that we try and aspire to in our dealings with the wider world. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue May 26 03:09:27 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:09:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <052620091009.10726.4A1BBFD700029E89000029E6223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Russell, A year ago we had our 52 Hudson Wasp hauled by a good company out of MO. They are bonded, insured and do excellent work on taking care of your car from pick up to delivery. Contact me off list. Curt Andree -------------- Original message from Russell Gilbert : -------------- > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > help point us in the right direction? > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:18:29 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:18:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bodgers Message-ID: <6f6025160905260318q2e6aeca3p3231205fe5a667c5@mail.gmail.com> A subject that I started on our own little engine forum in the UK, but I was surprised at how little understanding there seemed to exist over the requirements for restoration of an engine, not the paintwork, just the basic mechanical parts. Up until the weekend I had spent nearly 24 hours working on an engine to take to Nuenen to put up for sale. It was bought last year sometime and had been parked up at the factory, but with the rally getting closer, we pulled it out and started to sort any obvious problems as we did not want to sell it as in running condition, if it wasn't. What should have been 4 or 5 hours pleasant time spent playing with the spanners turned out to be a catalogue of bodges, no other word, and the further we got into it, the more we found. Saturday at 3pm I had to return home as we had both been hit with Gastric Flu and were feeling pretty rough, but by then we had straightened out most of the obvious stuff, cannabalised some parts of another non-runner and bought fuel fittings to get a working petrol feed. The worst bit was a cast-ali fuel tank bracket, which had been 'repaired' with a bit of steel, some bolts and some Araldite or body filler, then, as the bolts were proud of the base of the bracket, they has shovelled more filler on to try and get it to sit squarely on the engine. It was almost a parts engine at one point, but we have worked through the list of bits and pieces, and although today is our first full day back on our feet, we hope to have it all done in time for the Ferry on Friday morning. Surely people realise that we need to keep our toys in working order for future generations of engine owners? surely Dave R isn't going to have his Austral and Galloway buried with him when he goes ? :-)) Actually, Dave's standards I have no problem with, or any of the List guys for that matter. Peter (Living on Lucozade at present) -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:28:40 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:28:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of doing? I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:30:15 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:30:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905260330i43bc0e35scd92abb355e7bfc2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/26 Listerdiesel : > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu5.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 26 04:11:01 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:11:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090526111056.B43E619864D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Thanks Tony, I will look into it. Russell At 12:05 AM 26/05/2009, you wrote: >I've sold cars on Ebay before and a couple people have used DAS Auto >Shippers to ship their cars. I didn't pay for the shipment, so I >don't know about their prices, but the buyers seemed to be well pleased. > >-Tony > > >At 08:21 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: > >Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > >transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > >in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > >help point us in the right direction? > >PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue May 26 04:44:33 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:44:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201c9ddf7$57594aa0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I would buy the old William Tod plant in Youngstown and move the Tod Engine back to its birthplace. Pour a massive concrete foundation, set it up to run and plumb into the high pressure steam mains in the city and run the engine at full rated RPMs. I've already had that daydream! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of doing? I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue May 26 07:03:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:03:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> Hi Russ, Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. Myers, FL to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or 303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good service, on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. Dave On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > help point us in the right direction? > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > regards Russell From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 26 07:09:18 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 26, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Hi, Peter. I've experienced the same lust for old aircraft. But instinct tells me that truckloads of money can't buy skill, and jumping into the cockpit of an old warbird without any of the latter is a good way to ruin an irreplaceable piece of history and put an end to my days of breathing. Nevertheless, I'll continue to fantasize. A couple weeks ago we attended an airshow near here. There were a couple B-25s present. My favorite was owned by three old dudes, who of whom piloted her that day. An YES, they've flown their plane off a carrier. I got to crawl around in another Mitchell, and it kind of tarnished my fantasy. "Plush" is probably not a word you would use to describe it. Maybe "hideously cramped" is more accurate. To reach the nose gunner's position, you need to scoot on your belly. Crawling is not an option. If you needed to move between fore and aft during flight, you had to scoot through another tunnel above the bomb bay. I can't imagine how the stewardesses serve drinks to the pilot without spilling any. Here are a couple pictures: http://tinyurl.com/pt4v74 Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 26 07:50:16 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1C01A8.9000902@telenet.net> Rob Skinner wrote: > On May 26, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! >> ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I >> thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it >> restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > > > > Hi, Peter. > > I've experienced the same lust for old aircraft. But instinct tells > me that truckloads of money can't buy skill, and jumping into the > cockpit of an old warbird without any of the latter is a good way to > ruin an irreplaceable piece of history and put an end to my days of > breathing. Nevertheless, I'll continue to fantasize. > > A couple weeks ago we attended an airshow near here. There were a > couple B-25s present. My favorite was owned by three old dudes, who > of whom piloted her that day. An YES, they've flown their plane off a > carrier. I got to crawl around in another Mitchell, and it kind of > tarnished my fantasy. "Plush" is probably not a word you would use to > describe it. Maybe "hideously cramped" is more accurate. To reach the > nose gunner's position, you need to scoot on your belly. Crawling is > not an option. If you needed to move between fore and aft during > flight, you had to scoot through another tunnel above the bomb bay. I > can't imagine how the stewardesses serve drinks to the pilot without > spilling any. Here are a couple pictures: http://tinyurl.com/pt4v74 > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com Yeah, most of the real aircraft used to fight are not very roomy or well appointed. Even modern military craft are not designed for comfort. They just cram every space full of gear and try to keep a small path open for a human being. You want a fun experience, try sleeping in a rack on a sub. You actually have less room than in a coffin! And if your in a hot bunk you will be swapping in/out with other men. Lot's of fun. How about the Infamous ball turret? There is a nightmare for anyone. -- Steve Williams From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue May 26 08:07:42 2009 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:07:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: Hi List, Yes, as an old bubble head, I agree about the sleeping arrangements on fleet type diesel submarines (USS Toro - SS422 & USS Argonaut - SS475). Thank goodness, I never had to hot bunk. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 5/26/2009 7:55:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: You want a fun experience, try sleeping in a rack on a sub. You actually have less room than in a coffin! And if your in a hot bunk you will be swapping in/out with other men. Lot's of fun. **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 26 08:46:40 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <59362.168.215.206.73.1243352800.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tommy, Excellent solution. This Sir, is why you keep getting reelected! Curt Holland > I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago > that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom > unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. > She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. > The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. > While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. > However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty > beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing > room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". > Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told > her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her > rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol > and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft > ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her > out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a > home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I > saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said > "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never > been late on my rent since". > > Sometimes things do work out! From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 26 15:15:39 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:15:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> Message-ID: <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Hey Dave, thanks for the heads up! Mate I rang the first phone number and interrupted some guy having a mid afternoon matinay! Was a humorous response from a non business number. I rang the next number and it is a fax number :-) I chickened out on the last one; might be your mistress phone number! regards Russ At 12:03 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Russ, > Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. > Myers, FL >to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio >Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or >303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good service, >on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. > Dave > >On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > > help point us in the right direction? > > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > > > regards Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue May 26 17:21:02 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:21:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and > sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. > > It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, > that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of > doing? > > I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a > year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) > > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, > but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes > each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never > know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. > > Peter > From gastzt at aol.com Tue May 26 17:25:34 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:25:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: NICE PICS--and thanks! That P-47 must have a BIG thick crankshaft for that BIG prop! ha Stan Zettner (old stovers) Pleasanton, Tx **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From james.kangas at timken.com Tue May 26 18:43:17 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:43:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: I'd try to buy back my mis-spent youth.That would make it a salvage job for sure Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Al Harris Sent: Tue 5/26/2009 8:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and > sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. > > It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, > that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of > doing? > > I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a > year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) > > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, > but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes > each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never > know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue May 26 19:28:51 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4A1CA563.9070809@rustic-engines.com> Does US$1.5M sound alright for an exorcism. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'd try to buy back my mis-spent youth.That would make it a salvage job for sure > Jim K. > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Al Harris > Sent: Tue 5/26/2009 8:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming > > > > Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better > medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, > but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and >> sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. >> >> It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, >> that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of >> doing? >> >> I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a >> year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) >> >> Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! >> ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I >> thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it >> restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. >> Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, >> but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes >> each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never >> know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. >> >> Peter >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. 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Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rotigel at me.com Wed May 27 06:49:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:49:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <143AB311-588B-4CF2-B005-E88CBD5045B1@me.com> MY BAD Russ, Try: 1-877-652-9154 or 330-652-4142 or 330-652-9150. FAX is 330-652-9160. I usually don't make those kinds of mistakes until later at night! Dave On May 26, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hey Dave, thanks for the heads up! Mate I rang the first phone number > and interrupted some guy having a mid afternoon matinay! Was a > humorous response from a non business number. I rang the next number > and it is a fax number :-) I chickened out on the last one; might be > your mistress phone number! > > regards Russ > > At 12:03 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Russ, >> Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. >> Myers, FL >> to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio >> Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or >> 303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good >> service, >> on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. >> Dave >> >> On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> >>> Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car >>> transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny >>> in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will >>> help point us in the right direction? >>> PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? >>> >>> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 27 08:29:53 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. Thanks and take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > send me your address. Steve From rotigel at me.com Wed May 27 11:00:40 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:00:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <8360BC51-4C82-4F12-81F6-6E16C22BFDA6@me.com> Hi Gang, I spoke to Jake several days ago. The SEL space at Coolspring will be in the same place it has been for about 12 years now. We will be in the 2nd row way down at the far end near the trees. I'll have the SEL logo/sign up at the near end of the row and the SEL signs on the area by Wed. (June 17th.) Please fill in the area from the tree end back toward the entrance so that we can give back any of the area we don't fill up and still be together. Hope to see you there! Dave PS, Don't forget the featured engine is the mighty HERCULES and SPARTA ECONOMY! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 27 10:46:10 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Steve: > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > Thanks and take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > send me your address. Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 27 12:05:23 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve; Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Steve: > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Royster > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > > send me your address. Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 27 12:07:15 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show Message-ID: Could anyone provide a link to the Portland show ? I have a friend that may try to go & never heard of it. Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 27 12:31:54 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:31:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09? Message-ID: <20090527.123154.304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Frank. It would be something close to: Eastern Hell On Wheels Tour 2009. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 frank skinner writes: > > Steve; > > Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 ____________________________________________________________ Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLxSUXezPjadjNlYn8Is05yndNi2rsV6Bi2IlITWTLMIUAA4eRuQQ/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 27 12:35:57 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:35:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction Message-ID: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Make that European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009 ____________________________________________________________ Earn a degree in Criminal Justice and work as a Police officer. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1WBrVgtOwmwd5hE2WFUaConpS7BXtsc3bNexjnNUSB4yZ42vQ0/ From ivancou at windstream.net Wed May 27 13:07:42 2009 From: ivancou at windstream.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:07:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show References: Message-ID: http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed May 27 13:12:03 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:12:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction In-Reply-To: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4526713D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ron, You got it. You should have joined the tour when I first announced it. ;-) For those that don't know, the tour starts in Amsterdam on Friday morning and for 10 days we cram as many engine shows and collections in as we can see. The current plan is to see over 20 collections plus spend 3 days at the Nuenen engine show. We'll be in Holland, Germany, and Belgium on this trip. Since these tours require long days of driving and visiting collections, they have become known as the Hell On Wheels Tours. I've done them in the States as well, hence the European prefix on the EHOWT09. I head to the airport at 5am tomorrow morning (Thursday) and should meet up with the Royster brothers at the airport in Newark for our flight to Amsterdam. Not sure Europe is ready for both Royster brothers plus Arnie at the same time. Actually, can you imagine spending 10 days in a van traveling with them? ;-) Bound to be some good stories when this thing is over! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction Make that European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009 ____________________________________________________________ Earn a degree in Criminal Justice and work as a Police officer. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1WBrVgtOwmwd5hE2WFUaConpS7BXtsc3bNexjnNUSB4yZ42vQ0/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 27 13:25:50 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show Message-ID: <20090527.162550.1496.4.jlb94> www.tristategasengine-tractor.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:15 -0400 frank skinner writes: > > Could anyone provide a link to the Portland show ? > > I have a friend that may try to go & never heard of it. > > > > Thanks > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcMTyY2HQJtaELlVdOc9olNYhDb9lfmn7JKsHwgWtE31uG1HNG/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 27 16:08:01 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: I'll try to rememberize you 'bout it if my CRS don't kick-in. :-) Have a ball! Take care - Elde http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back > from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried > after seeing that much old iron so remind me in > two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Steve: > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse > you for copying and postage), I'd also like to > have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the > Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll > be looking for another unusual engine feature to > build a homebrew engine around. > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed May 27 17:00:01 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS Message-ID: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Received sad news from one of our fellow engine list member Dave Croft. His wife Margory after a long battle of illness passed away peacefully in her sleep earlier today. Please give Dave a email or call to let him know you care and support the loss of his soul mate. May God Bless her soul and look over Dave. Curt & Becky Andree From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 17:20:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer crash. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS > Received sad news from one of our fellow engine list member Dave Croft. > His wife Margory after a long battle of illness passed away peacefully in > her sleep earlier today. Please give Dave a email or call to let him know > you care and support the loss of his soul mate. > May God Bless her soul and look over Dave. > Curt & Becky Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 27 18:38:31 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:38:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Frank, George beat me to it but it is the ultimate engine tour of europe's best collections and a visit to Mecca, the Neunen Engine show thrown in! Pictures upon return. Steve > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Steve; > > Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Steve: > > > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > > Royster > > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > > > send me your address. Steve > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed May 27 20:33:45 2009 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: "I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly" Peter, my dad built those Mitchells at the North American Aviation factory in the Fairfax district of Kansas City, KS. He herded a crew that put them back to stock after a modification had been tried and found wanting. He'd love to help, were he here to do it. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 27 21:50:17 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:50:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS In-Reply-To: <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160905272150s5c92ad07o77e1eb089f6b214b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/28 : > Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer > crash. > > Paul dave.croft at ntlworld.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 05:13:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Elden, It will definitely be travel fatigue. The fine Belgin ales and German beers will have NOTHING to do with his returning condition. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 27, 2009 1:46 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain > may be > fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 06:28:25 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast Message-ID: Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen rally Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 See ya, Arnie From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 28 06:29:53 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:29:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: Message-ID: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> EXCELLENT, just waiting on Steve then off to the airport! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen > rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu May 28 06:51:41 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 19 to 25 degrees? You guys are going to FREEZE your collective asses off! Dave PS, What does the "C" stand for? ("Cold?") On May 28, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the > Nuenen rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 06:51:51 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74b3f4359774aed696b5793581cfe5c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Bugger... Forgot the Nuenen link... http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/index.htm Clearly, time for another beer... 8-)) On Thu, May 28, 2009 9:28 am, Arnie Fero wrote: > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 06:58:39 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:58:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: Message-ID: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> I'm sitting at the Portland Oregon airport waiting to board my flight to Newark. Will be meeting up with Steve and Mike at Newark, then the 3 of us are on the same flight to Amsterdam. Looking forward to meeting up with everyone at the airport and getting this tour on the road!! Should be lots of fun and I'm sure someone will post a few pictures or stories while we're on the tour. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen > rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 07:06:17 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:06:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: <74b3f4359774aed696b5793581cfe5c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <87F83C6A2A6E4EAFA5C75CEC2D2EEF09@BLUE2> Did Arnie mention beer???? ;-) One of the nice things we did last tour was have an after hours private tour of a local brewery in Weilheim Germany. Unfortunately, going back there this year didn't work out. However, I got a email yesterday from my German friend and he's going to deliver some of the Weilheimer beer to one of our stops! Talk about great friends! The kind that drives hundreds of miles and drops off some beer for you to enjoy! (Actually, he was already driving within a couple kilometers of one of our stops and said he'd drop off some beer for us) George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Bugger... Forgot the Nuenen link... > http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/index.htm > > Clearly, time for another beer... 8-)) > From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 07:48:03 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Got on the plane, got kicked off :-( References: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <84A3571F5B3F4D709B48A07A33025F5B@BLUE2> Was sitting on the plane waiting for my flight to Newark to leave. Then we were informed we all had to get off! Seems there is an air traffic control problem around New York and our flight is being delayed. Rather than departing at 7:45 (now) they expect us to depart at 8:30. If that holds true I should still arrive in Newark in time for the flight to Amsterdam. Hope the Royster boys, also flying into Newark, didn't cut their connection time too close and get impacted by a similar delay on their flight. George From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 14:41:52 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:41:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 References: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) it looks like they won't make the flight :-( To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on Saturday. George From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 28 16:12:01 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:12:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 Message-ID: Welcome to the New York / New Jersey area. Just blink once and something else will happen. Have a safe flight. KK In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, george at irontrader.com writes: I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) it looks like they won't make the flight :-( To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on Saturday. **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only Savings. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 29 04:49:59 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:49:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 In-Reply-To: <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> References: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> Message-ID: <6f6025160905290449t6567ac9ewf8245cd2a8af9cc8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/28 George Best : > I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. > > Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the > counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) > it looks like they won't make the flight :-( > > To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( > > Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on > Saturday. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > We're about halfway across the North Sea on the Ferry, local time 12.56 UK, almost didn't make it due to a miscalculation of driving times with the trailer on, but we were last on the ship before they pulled the ramp. Beautiful weather, sea calm, booked by us specially for the weekend :-)) Arrive 15.35pm UK time or 16.35 Dutch local time. Marine access Wifi works well, just goes to show what they can do these days! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Fri May 29 07:40:30 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:40:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner/Charity Auction Message-ID: <311B7FC8-95E3-4A19-812B-4CB3EEAE3709@me.com> Hi All, Once again it's time to plan for the Annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction during the Portland Show in August! Again this year the dinner/ auction will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. (See: http://back40junction.com/default.aspx) The Back 40 is at 1011 North 13th Street (that's Rt. 27) in Decatur, about 25 miles North of the show grounds. It's on the West side of Rt. 27 at the North end of town. As usual the dinner will be at 6:00 p.m. on Thursday, August the 27th, and the charity auction will follow. Although not necessary for attendance, I do wish you would let me know if you plan to attend so that I can give Ellen an approximate number. (Off list would be best. I'm at rotigel at me.com) We, once again, will have the back room to ourselves for the dinner and auction! Please start thinking about what you plan to donate to the auction and start saving your money in order to bid--early and often as well as against yourself when necessary. ATIS has raised a good amount of money for some very worthwhile causes over the years. Let's keep that tradition alive once again this year! Dave at rotigel at me.com From rotigel at me.com Fri May 29 07:44:54 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:44:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife flies to the UK and EU several times a year. She will NOT GO NEAR the Newark airport for love nor money! Hell, the Roysters might end up on a "nearby" hotel until the 13th of June! doG ONLY knows where George and/or his luggage will end up! Dave On May 28, 2009, at 7:12 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote: > Welcome to the New York / New Jersey area. Just blink once and > something > else will happen. Have a safe flight. > KK > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > george at irontrader.com writes: > > I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. > > Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked > at the > counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of > Charolette (sp) > it looks like they won't make the flight :-( > > To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( > > Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on > Saturday. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member- > Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp > :%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 29 09:26:02 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:26:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, About 30 minutes ago another Maytag Twin sprang to life again. (Luckily Arnie is on the EHOWT 09 so I will not have to read and "boat anchor" comments - but then there is always Dave to make up for Arnie's absence :-) ). This is the one that I wrote to the lists a few months ago regarding help on purchasing a Briggs twin coil on eBay. At that time I had many offers of help but Ron Haskell jumped right in and bought them for me. Many thanks Ron - your help is very appreciated. The Briggs coils (I bought 2) arrived about a month later but it's only recently that I've had a little spare time to try them out. It's quite a simple matter to replace the Maytag coil with the Briggs coil and I finally did it this afternoon. After I'd figured out the timing the little beast sprang to life on the first try - albeit with an electric drill - not the kickstart. (Friday afternoon and I'm tired - much easier with a drill and socket especially when there is the possibility of a problem!). I still need to sort out the timing a little but , in principle "it works". Time for a "B&C" :-) I took a short video but my camera batteries bombed out after about 10 sec. - as soon as they are recharged I'll take a longer one. In the meantime (for the doubters) here is the short version: Full webpage will follow soon. P.S. Our ISP is F------ Around with the mail server again and I'm not getting mail coming through (I can send but not receive) so I'll probably only get to see any replies tomorrow.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From george at irontrader.com Fri May 29 14:30:11 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT Back on track! References: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> <84A3571F5B3F4D709B48A07A33025F5B@BLUE2> Message-ID: The Royster boys finally made it to Amsterdam. However, they ended up flying to Paris first and then to Amsterdam arriving 5 hours after the rest of the group. While waiting for Mike and Steve to arrive we visited the Cruiquis water pumpiing station. It was built in 1847 and used a steam engine to pump 55,000 gallons of water a minute to drain lake water. After the water pumping station we did a tourist thing by going to see some traditional windmills. Finall met up with Steve and Mike and went to visit the first engine collection. We spent 4 hours there looking at engines and running 6 or more engine. Then it was back to Harry's house for a late dinner at 10pm, then dropped the guys off at a bed & breakfast place shortly before 11pm! So its been a long day. I've been up around 36 hours now and hope I can get to sleep soon. We pick up the guys at 9am to head to a couple collections then to the Nuenen engine show. Weather is great and I think everyone is having a great time other than the airline problems several of us had in getting here. George From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri May 29 19:08:08 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:08:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> <6f6025160905272150s5c92ad07o77e1eb089f6b214b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAD NEWS > 2009/5/28 : >> Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer >> crash. >> >> Paul > > dave.croft at ntlworld.com > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 30 05:06:36 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:06:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6CF51569ED7F499095BE36E272405991@peterlowe> Hi Jerry Great work mate, when running correctly (go away Dave and Arnie) they do purr like a kitten, on one or two cylinders. I ran Kaye's Maytag at the Rusty Iron Rally for two days on one cylinder, a spectator felt the cylinders and said why is one hot and one cold. On inspection one plug had fouled but made no real difference to the sound at all or to its running. Might little engine, er motor ;-)))) You need the muffler on it to make it run smoother. Peter, Oz > Hi all, > About 30 minutes ago another Maytag Twin sprang to life again. > (Luckily Arnie is on the EHOWT 09 so I will not have to read and "boat > anchor" comments - but then there is always Dave to make up for Arnie's > absence :-) ). > This is the one that I wrote to the lists a few months ago > regarding help on purchasing a Briggs twin coil on eBay. At that time I > had > many offers of help but Ron Haskell jumped right in and bought them for > me. > Many thanks Ron - your help is very appreciated. > The Briggs coils (I bought 2) arrived about a month later but it's > only recently that I've had a little spare time to try them out. > It's quite a simple matter to replace the Maytag coil with the > Briggs coil and I finally did it this afternoon. After I'd figured out the > timing the little beast sprang to life on the first try - albeit with an > electric drill - not the kickstart. (Friday afternoon and I'm tired - much > easier with a drill and socket especially when there is the possibility of > a problem!). I still need to sort out the timing a little but , in > principle "it works". Time for a "B&C" :-) > I took a short video but my camera batteries bombed out after > about 10 sec. - as soon as they are recharged I'll take a longer one. In > the meantime (for the doubters) here is the short version: > > > Full webpage will follow soon. > P.S. Our ISP is F------ Around with the mail server again and I'm not > getting mail coming through (I can send but not receive) so I'll probably > only get to see any replies tomorrow.) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sat May 30 08:48:22 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0KKG00CTSRWRFX00@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Jerry, Sounds like the timing may be off slightly. Either that, or the governor is turned town and it's running at a lower speed than I'm used to. Either way, it sounds pretty good. I don't have any Maytag Twins right now, but I used to love running them. They are one of the smoothest runners of all time. -Tony From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 31 08:56:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:56:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090531175301.01aa27e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 30/05/2009, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:06:36 +1000 >From: "Peter Lowe" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives. >Hi Jerry >Great work mate, when running correctly (go away Dave and Arnie) they do >purr like a kitten, on one or two cylinders. >I ran Kaye's Maytag at the Rusty Iron Rally for two days on one cylinder, a >spectator felt the cylinders and said why is one hot and one cold. On >inspection one plug had fouled but made no real difference to the sound at >all or to its running. Might little engine, er motor ;-)))) >You need the muffler on it to make it run smoother. >Peter, Oz Hi Peter, All answered on the other list!! Except: In South Africa motors have electric wires connected to them :-) (for Dave and Arnie - those are NOT the wires that run to the electric motor that makes the Maytag turn) :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 31 12:15:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= Message-ID: Who gets to take her home? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190309127658&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 31 13:56:07 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:56:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/2009 3:25:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob at rustyiron.com writes: Who gets to take her home? Rob, Are you bragging? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 31 15:15:49 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:15:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> Nope. My meager bid was insufficient. I knew Jimmy was sniffing around, and was hoping that he got it so I could see it run when he brought it out to a show. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Rob, > > Are you bragging? From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 1 09:05:50 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE Message-ID: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 Dave = = = = = = Hi Dave, Did #19 win ?? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyViWdFFFwJcj5YTEmIq0e9iRgCmdbbjSVzH20zP6MLuDWWm3qKE/ From rotigel at me.com Fri May 1 11:17:08 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:17:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE In-Reply-To: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> Message-ID: <738F0AEC-8663-4794-A0E6-84AB8A356231@me.com> Hi Joe, She was 96 votes ahead about 2 hours before the close. When the contest closed the web page was taken off line. Arnie is trying to contact the mother of the lovely #19 in order to find out the results. Let you know as soon as we find out! Dave On May 1, 2009, at 12:05 PM, jlb94 wrote: > OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 > Dave > = = = = = = > Hi Dave, > Did #19 win ?? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > illness." From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 2 03:14:50 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:14:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: Stuck Pistons Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } 2; A hydraulic Ram "As the Rust Grows " Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat May 2 04:31:43 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:31:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parsons Marine Gear Message-ID: Hi guys; Im looking for a manual on a Parsons Marine Reverse Gear, that went behind various marine engines in the 1950's Mine is behind a Petter AV2-M, its a Type "B" gear, with a number on the tag of "G-7373" A copy would be great, if anyone has anything http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From james.kangas at timken.com Sat May 2 08:20:35 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:20:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: option 2.unless you think the piston needs just that little bit more to free it up. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of frank skinner Sent: Sat 5/2/2009 6:14 AM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 Stuck Pistons Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } 2; A hydraulic Ram "As the Rust Grows " Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 2 08:23:08 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 08:23:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: <162F415E-6CE8-406C-B234-2D93E8FA32AD@rustyiron.com> http://engines.rustyiron.com/piston On May 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, frank skinner wrote: > > Stuck Pistons > > > > Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; > > 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } > > 2; A hydraulic Ram > > From rotigel at me.com Sat May 2 10:44:50 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 13:44:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stuck Pistons , Petter AV2 In-Reply-To: References: <2D2FD457F05A4C738AE58376FA10152F@scottyPC> Message-ID: <8BDD3575-24AE-4373-B5F0-B785B925045A@me.com> > Stuck Pistons > > Ok guys, I need a vote, on the table is how to get the pistons out; > 1; Hydraulic pressure, with oil or grease { Thats 1-A or 1-B } > 2; A hydraulic Ram > Franklin S. Skinner Good doG Franklin. We had a "vote" last November and look what has happened. Now you are calling for another vote? Dave PS, 1-B From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat May 2 11:28:27 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:28:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] stuck piston Message-ID: <20090502182839.79E6144498C@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> 1B Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 2 17:46:45 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:46:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction Report Message-ID: I went to an auction at Branxton in the Hunter Valley yesterday. The auction was well attended but engine prices were a little down. Most engines were complete with some being older restorations. Some results. Lister D & compressor $1240 IHC Mogul 90% complete1.75hp $340 Anderson (parts only) $60 Buzacott vertical $100 Buzacott vertical $120 Rosebery vertical $60 R-T N $140 M-V vertical $60 Southern Cross $240 Imperial $500 Buzacott 3hp (very low number horizontal) $320 Cooper TB shearing plant $420 Buzacott vertical $20 Alfa-Laval $150 Buzacott vertical $320 Buzacott vertical $180 K&L $200 M-V vertical $40 Alfa-laval $20 Southern cross twin $210 Buzacott vertical $40 Buzacott 2A parts (three blocks with enough bits to build one engine) Cooper little wonder (missing carby) $510 Lister $100 IHC LA $220 Lister D $50 Sunshine 3hp $1650 (the dearest engine) Cooper $50 M-V $20 M-V $50 Wolseley $30 Lister Diesel $370 New Way 4.5hp $500 Wolseley $220 Imperial $500 Hercules 3hp $600 (bargain, older restoration ready to run) Anderson 3hp (complete with cooling, fuel tanks, cast pedestal & original skids) $500 Buzacott farm pumper $120 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 3 04:52:15 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:52:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: I could not let this one go at yesterdays auction. I don't know much about it yet but I have put some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/anderson1.html I have not owned a Kiwi engine before. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 3 06:08:38 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:08:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Report Message-ID: In a message dated 5/2/2009 8:54:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: but engine prices were a little down. Patrick, Seems the engine prices were very reasonable if not plain cheap. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun May 3 21:41:43 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:41:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show pictures Message-ID: <20090503.214144.1376.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today our club (WAPA) was invited to participate in the annual Antique Truck Historical Society's annual show at the Orange Empire Railway Museum grounds in Perris Ca. The display was small, but a good time was had by all. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TruckShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMiatf Gp6M6zWg# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQX0uhm0Ct5Eoj8Q7y3LHoyp2P4UN9owMJeeAo2xn7SEIqwJpgk/ From gastzt at aol.com Mon May 4 07:17:11 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:17:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Small show pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/2009 11:54:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TruckShow2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCMiatf Hey Ron-- Stan Zettner here-- gee, what a WONDERFUL bunch of pics--- gee thanks for sharing! Panama is so interesting---! Always wondered--- can you DRIVE from Panama all the way down to South America?--- (actually want to drive from Texas to Brazil)--??? Good Model-A Ford trip! ha! Wonderful old engine pics--- I only have 9 of them so far---- need to get some pics gathered up-! Again, many thanks for sharing! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas (old Stovers) etc **************2009 3 Free CREDIT SCORES: See Your 3 Credit Scores from All 3 Bureaus FREE! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221797372x1201397989/aol?redir=https:%2F%2Fwww.freescore.com%2FOffers%2FStart%2FFreeCreditRepor tAndScore.aspx%3FID%3D91831F371F138345B53A153F49D4D872%26siteid%3De927580bf7 ) From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 08:19:42 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:19:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one of those days where no one had anything to post. George From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 08:49:57 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:49:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Reading you loud and clear here George. Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 08:56:19 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Loud and clear in NC George! > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:19:42 -0500 > From: George_Best at adp.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 08:40:42 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA411B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looks like I've got my answer. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:20 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one of those days where no one had anything to post. George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 5 09:47:16 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:47:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George: I didn't get your post. Could you send it again? :-) I know how it feels to miss your regular "fix". If our dealer (ATIS) fails to make his scheduled delivery time, we get really jumpy. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Best, > George > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:20 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 > hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still > working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue May 5 09:01:12 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has anyone done business there? Doug T Best, George wrote: > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue May 5 09:08:46 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACD1A2D@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Hey, at least half the tour group is here! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Anger Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:50 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours Reading you loud and clear here George. Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 09:36:47 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Larry, When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: > Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie From rotigel at me.com Tue May 5 09:46:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6D081058-CE92-41BB-AFFA-8260D259C517@me.com> On May 5, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Larry Anger wrote: > Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > Larry Anger Larry, When the hell has that ever stopped us in the past? Dave From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 09:50:10 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:50:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94@mac.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6D081058-CE92-41BB-AFFA-8260D259C517@me.com> Message-ID: Dave - I guess there are a few of us that have not been stopped in the past!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > On May 5, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! >> Larry Anger > > Larry, When the hell has that ever stopped us in the past? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 09:51:51 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in Amsterdam!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Larry, > > When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 10:37:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > Amsterdam!!!!! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 12:19:37 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:19:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 > From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question > > Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street > going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has > anyone done business there? Doug T > > Best, George wrote: > > Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending > > this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one > > of those days where no one had anything to post. > > > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue May 5 12:22:56 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:22:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > > And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with > enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > > Amsterdam!!!!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From langer5 at sympatico.ca Tue May 5 15:51:23 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:51:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Steve - I was hoping my reputation will stay intact. I guess time will tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > > And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're > covered with > enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! > 8-))) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > > Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > > Amsterdam!!!!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue May 5 15:47:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:47:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <007401c9cdd3$871c6b70$83674b47@mikecomp> Espchellie Nukleer Nginears ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > Larry, > > When has THAT ever stopped folks on the list from posting? 8-)) > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49 am, Larry Anger wrote: >> Maybe nobody has anything intelligent to say!!!!!!!!!!! > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 5 21:16:34 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts Message-ID: <9e6a955be7bd3517040b73c99793c0c6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed May 6 04:10:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:10:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted Message-ID: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> Hi All Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say around 1925-26??? What colours did they come in. Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think it needs one part that works off the detent. What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to oil the piston? I need the correct crank handle. More tomorrow when I get some pics Regards Peter From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed May 6 08:19:02 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:19:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <4A01AA66.6050300@accnorwalk.com> Thanks Steve, I'll give them a call and see if they can handle a job while I wait next week at the swap meet. Doug Steve Royster wrote: > Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 >> From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question >> >> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street >> going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has >> anyone done business there? Doug T >> >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending >>> this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one >>> of those days where no one had anything to post. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Wed May 6 08:48:15 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A0062C8.4050802@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <4A01B13F.3060501@accnorwalk.com> They must have had an area code change out there. The number is now 260-726-6236. Spoke to Jack, the owner, and he says building up the crank shouldn't be a problem while I'm in town. Doug Steve Royster wrote: > Doug, It's Flamespray Machine Service, 237 E Votaw St , Portland Indianna 219 726 6236. I haven't used them but thought I might sometime, Steve > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:12 -0400 >> From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Portland IN business question >> >> Does anyone on the list know the name of the machine shop on the street >> going into the fairgrounds that advertises flame spray welding and has >> anyone done business there? Doug T >> >> Best, George wrote: >> >>> Haven't received any SEL postings in that last 24 hours. Just sending >>> this message to see if the system is still working or if it was just one >>> of those days where no one had anything to post. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed May 6 12:03:14 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:03:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> I said to someone today, I'm not sure if Europe is ready for ANOTHER Yank invasion. Just hope you don't leave the same sort of destruction behind this time. Dolly Steve Royster wrote: > Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours >> >> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! >> >> And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with >> enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: >> >>> Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in >>> Amsterdam!!!!! >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 6 12:30:54 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly..... I'm sure you mean that in some sort of a twisted , kind, European way, so I look forward to seeing the French family at Neunen. I promise to do my best to keep the EHOWT tour group in line (at least in public) . Your job however is much more difficult keeping the nookulear engineer out of trouble untill we arrive. Steve > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:03:14 +0100 > From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > > I said to someone today, I'm not sure if Europe is ready for ANOTHER > Yank invasion. Just hope you don't leave the same sort of destruction > behind this time. > > Dolly > > Steve Royster wrote: > > Hey Arnie, It's Larry I'm worried about, He's the only one that doesn't have a reputation on this list (yet) . I guess we'll have to wait until Amsterdam and see! , Steve the good cloistered oyster bro. > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:37:48 -0400 > >> From: fero_ah at city-net.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Over 24 hours > >> > >> Hell on Wheels bro, Hell on Wheels!! > >> > >> And with the Cloistered Oysters on the trip, I just hope that we're covered with > >> enough bail money. It's bad enough when they get turned loose on Portland! 8-))) > >> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51 pm, Larry Anger wrote: > >> > >>> Arnie - we'll save the intelligent stuff for when we arrive in > >>> Amsterdam!!!!! > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 6 14:35:34 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Over 24 hours In-Reply-To: References: <20090501.122629.1080.4.jlb94><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590ACA403B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <121ad348a7bc86d4c10b31380b65f08e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4A01DEF2.40706@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey Steve, Cut Dolly some slack wouldja? She's only human afterall. See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 6, 2009 3:30 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > Dolly..... Your job however is much > more difficult keeping the nookulear engineer > out of trouble untill we arrive. Steve From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 6 15:57:40 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:57:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted In-Reply-To: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> References: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> G'day Peter, Ron Wiley (spelling?) from Victor Harbor in SA should be able to date it for you. His details have been in the TOMM a few times. These engines are reasonably attainable in OZ so parts should not be too hard to get. They were imported not made here. My engine is/was black! I got it from the original family who owned it covered in muck. It's never been restored in it's life until I got it so black is the original colour of my engine. I do know that mostly the KA's were green. There may be other colours. my engine is No. KA167703 and was dated 1924 Be REAL carefull starting it with the crank handle. These little suckers are good at removing teeth! Mine will start by pulling the flywheels over. Russell At 09:10 PM 6/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 6 16:30:51 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:30:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted In-Reply-To: <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <3CAA32C3EAEF43A8818056218DC55374@peterlowe> <20090506225740.D2A3D198496@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <00a801c9cea2$b183d2c0$148b7840$@net.au> The date of manufacture is usually cast into the off side of the block under the water hopper. Mines a 1926.The restoration was straight forward.All the crank bearings were OK and just needed reshimming. The bore was worn out so I sleeved that back to standard and made my own rings but no doubt you can buy them. The valves were had it. The stems are 5/16 so I had a head shop ream them to 8 mm and used V6 Commodore valves. They recut the seats to suit for an all up cost of $35.00.The rest was just freeing rusted parts and elbow grease and a rebuilt EK Mag Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 6:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper Stover KA info wanted G'day Peter, Ron Wiley (spelling?) from Victor Harbor in SA should be able to date it for you. His details have been in the TOMM a few times. These engines are reasonably attainable in OZ so parts should not be too hard to get. They were imported not made here. My engine is/was black! I got it from the original family who owned it covered in muck. It's never been restored in it's life until I got it so black is the original colour of my engine. I do know that mostly the KA's were green. There may be other colours. my engine is No. KA167703 and was dated 1924 Be REAL carefull starting it with the crank handle. These little suckers are good at removing teeth! Mine will start by pulling the flywheels over. Russell At 09:10 PM 6/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 19:18:47 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts Message-ID: <80434.6745.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Arnie. I?ordered a stock of all of the nuts and washers this morning. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Arnie Fero wrote: From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Neat Source for Square Head and Other Odd Bolts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 12:16 AM http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Thu May 7 03:20:42 2009 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:20:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul 4 h.p. Message-ID: <177179FC9B0B4CEE8DBD6A4D47D76201@lightning> Hi all, Can anyone point me in the direction of a cast cap that goes on a 4 hp Mogul air intake? Either original or cast repoduction. Cheers John From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu May 7 04:06:11 2009 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 06:06:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover Engine Message-ID: <2EA50E00A4E84133A3734A6193321BC1@joe5599c86d812> Peter, Stover built and shipped these engines to Cooper. We'll be able to tell you the day the engine was shipped from the factory. Should have your info in a few days. Joe From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 7 05:17:28 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:17:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper-stover KA engine help Message-ID: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> Hi all OK here are the pics of my new Cooper/Stover KA 2hp. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm I have a couple of questions: 1. Is the muffler correct? 2. Does this spring hold the valve rocker against the valve or the push rod? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/valve-spring.JPG 3. Does anyone have a good clear focused photo of this area, the red circled area is missing the mag trip thingy. My mate has this to make one for his other engine but it will be years before he gets around to it. I will try and acquire these parts for myself to save the bother. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/mag-trip.JPG 4. Looks like I have the rocker the wrong way around. 5. Does anyone is Oz have a pulley the same as this one, my mate wants this pulley back. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/pulley.JPG 6. If anyone has one of these engines I would like some good clear photos from all over your engine, especially the mag trip area, the head and valves, the governor. 7. What type or size oiler do they have? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From oldengin at verizon.net Thu May 7 08:59:59 2009 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? References: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or even 5/16 (.3125) might work... Thanks Leroy From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 7 11:14:46 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? Message-ID: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Leroy, These folks offer cedar dowel rod. If all you need is 6", why not call 'em and see if they'll give it to you for free? http://www.arnoldwood.com/WoodDowels.html See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 7, 2009 11:59 am, Leroy wrote: > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu May 7 11:40:48 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:40:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I was sent these very bad pics to try and help identify this engine and pump. It is English and probably Ruston & Hornsby but which one. Pics here: Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu May 7 12:09:57 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:09:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090507203752.00be64b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Definitly a ruston, probably a model CR Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:40:48 +0200 > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Please help identify this English engine > > Hi All, > I was sent these very bad pics to try and help identify this > engine and pump. > > It is English and probably Ruston & Hornsby but which one. > > Pics here: > > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 7 12:27:02 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <067A924017534953BFA2E6E096A64CEB@peterlowe> <001601c9cf2c$e14cb0a0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <4A033606.3060203@telenet.net> Leroy wrote: > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... > Thanks Leroy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Sounds like the rod part of a cedar clothes hanger. -- Steve Williams From jbcast at charter.net Thu May 7 12:32:56 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20090507153256.6FLAZ.2283423.root@mp17> > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 11:59 am, Leroy wrote: > > 1 thing I hate doing is turning wood on a metal lathe, but because I do not > > have a wood lathe it might be that I do this.... > > What I need id about 6 inches of auromatic cedar in a round 3/8 ( .375) or > > even 5/16 (.3125) might work... > > Leroy, if you have a router table and a 3/8" roundover bit you can make a pretty good dowel, cut a board to 3/8"+, round over both sides of one edge, cut off 3/8"+, round over the other edges. Let the length run long so you'll have something to hold the piece you need, cut it off and sand it in a drill or lathe. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at me.com Thu May 7 16:25:13 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wood rod??? In-Reply-To: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6a30f9c82a5b47fed19e00a756c23eb4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <9222D81C-9C54-426B-A2F0-55735E7D5CA9@me.com> On May 7, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Leroy, > . If all you need is 6", why not call 'em and see > if they'll give it to you for free? > See ya, Arnie Damn Arnie, I sure hope that Leroy appreciates it when you talk dirty to him! Dave From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu May 7 16:24:35 2009 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction Message-ID: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices ? Just curious on what they went for , also a Friend is looking for a carb for a Vaughan Model D log saw engine , 4 HP I think its the new style ' or even a close up picture of the carb would help , Thanks in advance Rex Hinz From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu May 7 16:24:39 2009 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection Message-ID: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Hi All > >Home after a trip to see my folks in Newcastle and also picked up a >free Cooper/Stover KA 2hp engine #179889. >I have not taken much interest in these engines in the past so in >fear of asking question that have already been dealt with, here I go: > >What is the history of Cooper/Stover in Australia, were they >imported or made under licence by Cooper in Oz? > >Can anyone date these engines? Serial number KA179889, I would say >around 1925-26??? > >What colours did they come in. > >Are there many parts available in Oz? Will unpack it tomorrow, think >it needs one part that works off the detent. > >What type/brand/size oiler was used on top of the water hopper to >oil the piston? > >I need the correct crank handle. > >More tomorrow when I get some pics > >Regards >Peter Peter, Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a type KA, hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the Chicago Flexible Shaft Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 identical engines were shipped to Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July 13, 1926. Flexible Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also shipped Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper also got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San Francisco Ca. I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged Stovers including Judson engines in Canada use the real Stover serial number so they show up in the records. If you don't mind, I'll put your engine in the Stover registry. All personal information is kept confidential. Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us a talk on Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can answer many of your Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover column in every issue of Gas Engine Magazine. The most recent issue covered the late K models including the KA. Best Regards, Joe >_______________________________________________ From dleis at centurytel.net Thu May 7 17:03:27 2009 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:03:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction References: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: <41E550B21F2243EAA81AC2EFF8FC454E@your4dacd0ea75> I did not get the engine prices but I thought they went high. Stacy From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu May 7 17:42:13 2009 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction In-Reply-To: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: <963394.45233.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was there, but I was at my table in the building. I did watch the 2 Fuller & Johnson DE's sell. First one sold for $4900 and the second one for $5300 (I think). Both were running engines and ran that day...One went to a collector further north in WI and the second went to a grandson of Mr. Johnson. They sold choice. I didn't get any other prices. Steve --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Rex Hinz wrote: From: Rex Hinz Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 6:24 PM Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices? Thanks in advance Rex Hinz From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri May 8 00:10:56 2009 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:10:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction In-Reply-To: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> References: <2551DFBFE2F74623867309C81B69CA6E@home> Message-ID: I was there also but did not record the prices except for the items I loaded in the truck. As usual some prices were high and there were some reasonable. I brought home a Fuller and Johnson Farm pumper engine in reasonable shape and complete except for a mixer for $275 and a parts engine the same for $40. My brother bought a couple of the hundred dollar engines. one was a Leroi vertical and an unidentified marine type engine. Anyone know of a spare mixer? Ed Herreid > From: rex002 at centurytel.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:35 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Swap meet Auction > > Did anyone on list go to the Baraboo Steam and Gas Auction and get the engine prices ? Just curious on what they went for , also a Friend is looking for a carb for a Vaughan Model D log saw engine , 4 HP I think its the new style ' or even a close up picture of the carb would help , Thanks in advance > > Rex Hinz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri May 8 03:05:00 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection References: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <4FBFD80E213349E997E06EDDBFC0791A@peterlowe> > Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a > type KA, hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the > Chicago Flexible Shaft Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 > identical engines were shipped to Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your > engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July 13, 1926. Flexible > Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also shipped > Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper > also got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San > Francisco Ca. I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged > Stovers including Judson engines in Canada use the real Stover serial > number so they show up in the records. If you don't mind, I'll put your > engine in the Stover registry. All personal information is kept > confidential. > > Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us > a talk on Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can > answer many of your Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover > column in every issue of Gas Engine Magazine. The most recent issue > covered the late K models including the KA. > > Best Regards, > Joe Hi Joe Thanks you sir very much. Please feel free to add my personal details to the register, if you need an address use this one: Peter Lowe Maclean New South Wales Australia Can I use the information you gave me on my web site?? Kind regards Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 8 05:42:58 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - Ballot Box Stuffing - #19 Won!! Message-ID: <9cba280a93b01d691d9d2114afbf0e19.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Thanks folks!! The daughter of my colleague in Sweden won the bride picture contest. PS. My daughter and her husband won a weekend at Asia Spa in Varberg, that's great news :-) I guess I will be the babysitter that weekend - that?s my price :-) Eva-Lena http://www.varbergsstadshotell.com/main.aspx?pageID=83 See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri May 8 06:13:03 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The Stover/Cooper Connection In-Reply-To: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> References: <0E19C2DDD5594637B5FD1C4A809E9341@joe5599c86d812> Message-ID: <855f46096b62e06899f63e6444dc1f65.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Brilliant response! Joe, you are one helluva resource!! Thanks for posting this. See ya, Arnie On Thu, May 7, 2009 7:24 pm, Joe&Jewel Maurer wrote: > Your Cooper engine #179889 is listed in the Stover shipping records as a type KA, > hit & miss governor (gasoline), with Wico mag. shipped to the Chicago Flexible Shaft > Co. Chicago IL. on July 13, 1926. As a note, 42 identical engines were shipped to > Flexible on June 29, 1926 and your engine was in another group of 28 shipped on July > 13, 1926. Flexible Shaft shipped many sheep shearers to Australia. Flexible also > shipped Stover engines to Australia with a Stewart badge. We know that Cooper also > got engines from Stover through the Coldwell Shipping Company, San Francisco Ca. > I'm not sure how all this comes together. Most rebadged Stovers including Judson > engines in Canada use the real Stover serial number so they show up in the records. > If you don't mind, I'll put your engine in the Stover registry. All personal > information is kept confidential. > > Ron Wiley came to Freeport, IL. from Australia in July of 2006 to give us a talk on > Cooper/Stover engines at the Stover reunion. I bet he can answer many of your > Cooper technical questions. We also do a Stover column in every issue of Gas Engine > Magazine. The most recent issue covered the late K models including the KA. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 8 09:00:18 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:00:18 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to manufacture this way. Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? Many thanks for any explanations. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Fri May 8 09:22:41 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:22:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20090508162304.5EA97678380@secure.fsr.com> The principle of electrical induction requires three things: 1) Magnetic field, 2) Electrical conductor, 3) Relative movement between the two. Of course, we always think of the copper coil as being the conductor; but, wait a minute! The iron core is also a conductor. Electrical currents can be induced in the iron, as well. Think of the laminations as being a way of discouraging those electrical currents--called eddy currents--in the iron core. Ideally, the laminations are insulated from one another with a layer of varnish. By breaking the core into thin laminations the electrical path is chopped into tiny pieces. Suffice it to say, in these coils eddy currents are not good. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:00 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Magneto coil question Hi Guys, Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to manufacture this way. Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? Many thanks for any explanations. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri May 8 09:45:48 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:45:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question Message-ID: <20090508164548.723A876B834C@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, A solid steel core will retain magnetism. A laminated core will not. This is important because for good induction we need to go from zero magnetism to full then back to absolute Zero. If a magnetic field remains in a core we do no get that. Its the raising and "complete" collapse of the magnetic field that we need to create or induce the voltage in the secondary windings. This is the short and sweet of it. Theres more in the detailed scientific theory but that's all we really need to know. Mark At 12:00 PM 5/8/2009, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core > of a coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier > to manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core > (as in a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: >05/08/09 06:34:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From rolfb at accima.com Fri May 8 10:02:03 2009 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:02:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4A04658B.4010300@accima.com> Jerry - Very good reason to make the core laminated. To reduce what's called eddy currents which if the laminates were not insulated from each other would hurt the efficiency of the device. Do a google on "Eddy Current loss" for many hits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core Regards, Bob Moses Lake, WA. USA Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a > coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to > manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in > a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri May 8 14:12:03 2009 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:12:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magneto coil question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090508175315.018eaa98@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <4A04A023.8010305@earthlink.net> Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms why the steel core of a > coil (in this case a flywheel magneto coil) is made up of laminations. > Is there a scientific reason for this or is it just easier to > manufacture this way. > Is there a reason why this could not be a solid steel core (as in > a piece of steel laser cut to the right shape/size) ? > Many thanks for any explanations. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Reduces heat due to eddy currents induced in the iron. Bob Holtzer From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 8 07:24:53 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:24:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - Ballot Box Stuffing - #19 Won!! Message-ID: <20090508.215148.1476.0.jlb94> Thanks folks!! The daughter of my colleague in Sweden won the bride picture contest. = = = = = Hey Arnie - That's Great !! Glad I could help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Save on Moving Supplies. Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQdZElg07sXw29r7j9gkBLdUf7E40n2Nt95ZwiRTmIMAJcajzEVSg/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat May 9 20:19:08 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:19:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20090509.201908.1196.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today my local club was invited to participate in a car and tractor show at Cal. Poly. University Pomona . Here are a few pictures of cars, tractors and engines. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CalPoly2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCK-b49mb 4bm1tgE# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTK8PF9aloKKe4l5PCChj5DILXDQ11UTYC6oku70FhccuHa6nEH7F2/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 10 04:14:28 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:14:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Petra on TV in Oz Message-ID: Completely off topic but... Petra (the new workshop foredog) will be on TV on Wednesday the 10th of June. She will be on 'The New Inventors' on ABCTV at 8pm. She did not cause too much havoc in the studio :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun May 10 05:58:09 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:58:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] My engines are for sale... will be listed on ebay over coming weeks Message-ID: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> Hi there, Thought I'd give my fellow list members first crack at my engine stable since I've finally gotten off the fence and decided to sell them. I have three main hobbies that consume space around here, steam engines, stationary engines and my model railway. Of course my time is also eaten by family, work, Scouts and the Puffing Billy Railway! Anyway, I've found a walking beam steam engine than I want much more than I want my engine collection and I need to finance the purchase. I'll create a web page sometime this week with photos but many can already be found on www.steamengine.com.au All of these engines have been stored dry in a shed. For the most part they have not been run in the last eight to ten years. All will need some attention to make them go. All are runners. I can give you a repro manual with the engine. The following engines are available. * 3hp Stover open crank hit and miss (badged as Cooper) with a Wico EK - 1920's * 4hp Ottawa Throttle governed open crank (most likely the only 4hp Ottawa in Australia as I brought it home from USA myself) - would have powered a drag saw - this engine had a freeze crack in the head which has been repaired by welding and has not given any dramas - I've always had problems with speed control on this machine - 1920's * New Record Dragsaw (steel frame version) with three blades powered by a 3hp Rosebery vertical - needs a better drive belt - 1940/50's * Two reel mowers (cannot remember the brand right this second) from around 1920's * Rosebery 3C complete 1930's * Rosebery 3C incomplete but has new gaskets, rings, etc 1950's * Southern Cross 4 P on (non orignal) transporter - I'm told this engine is quite unusual in that only a few of this configuration were made - it has round circular holes in the cast base which most don't have. I'm not selling the Maytag or SPB from my website. I gave the Maytag to my kids and the SPB will go back to the land holder it came from when I finish it as I promised him I would not sell it. There will also be a bunch of engine related tools that will be available since I won't need them anymore such as: * new in box parts washer * 2 ton chain hoist * big threading die and handles (up to 2" pipe) with a few dies I have a Lucas RS-1 magneto (sparks but not fantastic) and an assortment of reproduction mufflers that I'll work out what they are and list them later. Expressions of interest are invited. Offers won't be accepted before I make the site with photos of each engine showing their current condition. Any engines without interest will go onto ebay later this week. Regards Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 09:08:24 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:08:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try corn cobs. Any ideas out there? Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 09:21:06 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:21:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Petra on TV in Oz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78D5AB19-2C13-4EE0-B8DB-AA84F598363C@rustyiron.com> DirecTv in SoCal doesn't serve up Aussie TV stations. Youtube? Hula? Joost? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 10, 2009, at 4:14 AM, Patrick wrote: > Completely off topic but... > Petra (the new workshop foredog) will be on TV on Wednesday the 10th > of > June. She will be on 'The New Inventors' on ABCTV at 8pm. She did > not cause > too much havoc in the studio :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun May 10 10:36:55 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:36:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Hi Tom, Use some detergent and water to remove the oil you just put on them. Then, dilute a pint or quart of molasses with water, one or two parts water to molasses and put that in the bucket covering them. Cover with Saran wrap to reduce evaporation. Find a spot in one of your sheds where you won't kick the bucket over and leave it until Fall. At that time, rinse, wipe dry and oil. I think you'll have what you want. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 5/10/2009 11:15:29 AM Central Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try corn cobs. Any ideas out there? Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rotigel at me.com Sun May 10 11:14:24 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F4F44E7-62DA-4A91-B180-76B5317E9610@me.com> When I have a need for a large tumbler I use my electric powered cement mixer. A friend used it this winter to clean (ie de-rust) about 200 lbs. of wrenches (etc) that he had given to him. Works REAL well. Use sand as a medium for real rusted "stuff." Dave On May 10, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets > 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well > over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain > for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are > covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to > remove > from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the > outsides, I am > dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I > would try > corn cobs. Any ideas out there? > > Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to > do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 > ) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 11:17:16 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:17:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/2009 1:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: Then, dilute a pint or quart of molasses with water, one or two parts water to molasses and put that in the bucket covering them Ron, Sounds like a great idea, but with one huge problem. I am going to have a terrible time putting the molasses in a bucket as it is much better on those home made sour dough rolls Millie makes every Sunday. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 11:19:09 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:19:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/2009 2:04:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: When I have a need for a large tumbler I use my electric powered cement mixer. Dave, Bring it to Evansville in June and we will do something productive rather than just sit there and watch engines run! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun May 10 12:12:42 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:12:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905101212x321e686dm58f7725e93b25528@mail.gmail.com> I second the molasses method. I had some tools with varying degrees of rust and I used that method. I pulled them out, cleaned them and returned the ones that still had rust to soak longer. Some had machined surfaces that came out with a matte surface, but they mic'ed at specifications to the thousandth. Paul in California From falcon at telenet.net Sun May 10 12:16:53 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:16:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A072825.1040806@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a bucket full of sockets 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand price of $10. Well over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth the $10. We had rain for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, so they are covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire wheel, but how to remove > from inside the sockets? Right now, after wire brushing the outsides, I am > dropping them in a bucket of oil. If I had a large tumbler, I would try > corn cobs. Any ideas out there? > > Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there! > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com Dump out any oil. Dump in some degreaser and slosh it around to remove more oil. Rinse. Dump in a gallon of Evapo-Rust. Let it set overnight. Drain out the ER through a funnel and a towel (filters out larger rust particles) put it back in the container to use again. Now rinse the sockets with degreaser/water and wipe dry. -- Steve Williams From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 10 14:27:16 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:27:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I will get some Evapo-Rust and try it first as the rust is only surface so far. I was starting to have slight panic attacks with the thought of having to part with my limited supply of molasses. Good stuff is hard to come by. Fortunately I have a friend who knows how to make the good stuff! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 10 16:10:36 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rust help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom: Go to your local paint store and get a bottle of "Ospho". That stuff will remove the rust. Then, to do as someone else suggested and wash 'em in a strong detergent. THEN, rinse thoroughly and add just enough water to cover the sockets and add some Ospho. Stir gently. The strength of the solution depends on how much rust there is and how patient you are. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Germoamer at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:08 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] rust help > > > Yesterday at the flea market, I purchased a > bucket full of sockets 1/4. > 3/8, 1/2 drive, Craftsman and SK, for the grand > price of $10. Well over 150 > sockets and one 30mm Craftsman socket is worth > the $10. We had rain for the > past week, and the bucket must have sat outside, > so they are covered with > surface rust. This comes off easily with a wire > wheel, but how to remove > from inside the sockets? ...........snip........................ > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 20:05:03 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:05:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cal Poly Pomona Show Message-ID: Here are some pictures from yesterday's show. A couple noteworthy items are the Hayward Tyler hot air engine, the only one known in the United States; the Samson by Cambell, again the only one known in the United States; and the full sized Holt replica, the six originals of which have all been lost. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 10 20:06:41 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:06:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cal Poly Pomona Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D6CDE8-5887-4B2A-A8EF-C1D63A97FC5F@rustyiron.com> In case you didn't get the URL telepathically: http://engines.rustyiron.com/CalPoly09 Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 10, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Here are some pictures from yesterday's show. A couple noteworthy > items are the Hayward Tyler hot air engine, the only one known in > the United States; the Samson by Cambell, again the only one known > in the United States; and the full sized Holt replica, the six > originals of which have all been lost. From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 11 06:21:05 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Matag oil can Message-ID: for the Matag guys look @ item 350199406605 on E-Bay Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon May 11 09:08:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:08:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Villiers engine book Message-ID: Hello guys; If anyone is looking for a book on the above check E-Bay Item # 160333157345 Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 11 18:13:31 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:13:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] rust help Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful hints on removing the surface rust from my bucket of sockets. I think I said that I bought them at a flea market Saturday and they had minor surface rust on outside and inside. I wire wheel brushed the rust off the outside. Today I purchased some Evapo-Rust, soaked them for a couple of hours, rinsed them all off and set out in sun to dry. The Evapo-Rust sure worked great. Nice and shinny. Thanks for that tip Steve. Much relieved I did not have to get out the good molasses! See photo of sockets. 80% Craftsman, some SK and Stanley, and a couple of junkers. largest 32 mm. I thought it was a great buy! _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon May 11 18:37:44 2009 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:37:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rust help References: Message-ID: <009501c9d2a2$3f58d110$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> It was a super buy!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: [SEL] rust help > Thanks for all the helpful hints on removing the surface rust from my > bucket of sockets. I think I said that I bought them at a flea market > Saturday > and they had minor surface rust on outside and inside. I wire wheel > brushed the rust off the outside. Today I purchased some Evapo-Rust, > soaked > them for a couple of hours, rinsed them all off and set out in sun to > dry. > The Evapo-Rust sure worked great. Nice and shinny. Thanks for that tip > Steve. > Much relieved I did not have to get out the good molasses! > > See photo of sockets. 80% Craftsman, some SK and Stanley, and a couple > of > junkers. largest 32 mm. I thought it was a great buy! > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/sockets.jpg) > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Tue May 12 02:53:51 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:53:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My engines are for sale... will be listed on ebay over coming weeks In-Reply-To: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> References: <49831.203.12.35.157.1241960289.squirrel@boiler> Message-ID: <4A09472F.3090409@steamengine.com.au> I've started listing on ebay... http://shop.ebay.com.au/merchant/paulp4fsq Regards Paul pjp08 at steamengine.com.au wrote: > Hi there, > Thought I'd give my fellow list members first crack at my engine stable > since I've finally gotten off the fence and decided to sell them. I have > three main hobbies that consume space around here, steam engines, > stationary engines and my model railway. Of course my time is also eaten > by family, work, Scouts and the Puffing Billy Railway! Anyway, I've found > a walking beam steam engine than I want much more than I want my engine > collection and I need to finance the purchase. > > From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 12 07:28:16 2009 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold References: <000001c8b6da$b77da650$fa00a8c0@sheeba> Message-ID: Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in Modesto? I taking my Holt 45 engine. Dave in Nevada From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 12 08:17:16 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:17:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Engine Advertisements Message-ID: <08446509-50D0-4FE7-B503-EC3835DCC1B1@rustyiron.com> Last night I was searching through some old literature and thought it would be fun to photograph some of the advertisements. The collection is valuable and very delicate, so I don't like to handle it very often. Most of these ads are of regional interest, but a couple others are included just because I thought they were cool. http://engines.rustyiron.com/CaliforniaAds Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 12 08:13:51 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:13:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold Message-ID: <20090512.081352.556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. I will be there on Thursday afternoon to help Mark P. set up. It will be the first outing for my 5 hp FriscoStandard marine engine. We expect over 100 displayers. Should be a great weekend. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in > Modesto? > I taking my Holt 45 engine. > Dave in Nevada ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygIZFSFMENywe7n9sDb5jw0SqwcNDR3VBwemYu0HOPZCGz8LxsM/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue May 12 10:06:25 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:06:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] California Gold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090512190301.00c503a8@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 12/05/2009, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 >From: "Dave Ernst" >Subject: [SEL] California Gold > >Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in Modesto? >I taking my Holt 45 engine. >Dave in Nevada Hi Dave, It's a bit far for me but I do know that at least one of my "brass tags" will be there. . Enjoy the show. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From shop at cccomm.net Tue May 12 13:27:00 2009 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:27:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold References: <20090512.081352.556.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0CCC305868AA4ED6BF9B5BD002201EE9@YOURA8CFD79427> I have a friend here that has a 2hp FriscoStandard. I might borrow it and bring it along. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] California Gold Hi Dave. I will be there on Thursday afternoon to help Mark P. set up. It will be the first outing for my 5 hp FriscoStandard marine engine. We expect over 100 displayers. Should be a great weekend. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:28:16 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Who all is going to attend the California Gold show this weekend in > Modesto? > I taking my Holt 45 engine. > Dave in Nevada ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygIZFSFMENywe7n9sDb5jw0SqwcNDR3VBwemYu0HOPZCGz8LxsM/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 12 16:17:53 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:17:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold Message-ID: <20090512.161754.1884.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Bring it along Dave, the more the merrier. Last year we had 85 California built engines. It looks like we will have a lot more than that this year. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:27:00 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > I have a friend here that has a 2hp FriscoStandard. I might borrow it > and > bring it along. > Dave > ____________________________________________________________ Grow your small business with email marketing. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEFeRQRUTJUTW2PltJJQegGl9yhGcdeFrnl6CLYbgkfbyq145wdmI/ From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue May 12 19:01:48 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:01:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ca. GOLD Message-ID: <20090513020147.A487E444833@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, I'll bring some Ca. built Ballest. All it needs is the California WELDER GOD! CYA, Friday. Jimmy and Pam Jim O'Hagan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 06:44:37 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise From christison at coastalnet.com Wed May 13 07:22:13 2009 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0AD795.6090302@coastalnet.com> Ron, Tru: Jack Welton Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com Welton's Maintenance 4117 Copley Rd Copley, OH 44321 (330)666-1576 Ron Frost wrote: > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed May 13 07:25:34 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:25:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron Jack Welton is the man to talk to for pump parts. I did a google search on him and the first hit was a Smokstak thread listed here that has all his contact info: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59542 Any old style hardware store or McMaster Carr would probably have them as well. Keith > > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Wed May 13 07:42:19 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:42:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b801c9d3d9$05523f50$0ff6bdf0$@com> I needed a similar cup for an OLD forklift cylinder; took it to a saddle shop & found a scrap of leather about the right thickness & made one. Worked great; I think he charged me a buck or so for the leather scrap Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:41:38 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:37:38 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:37:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; I just ordered some from Lehmans.com mine were classed as cup leathers 1, 1/8" but they have more Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 07:47:35 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:47:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From falcon at telenet.net Wed May 13 08:13:26 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:13:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> Ron Frost wrote: > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to > restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston > packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call > them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle > where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can > I find them? > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > Lehmans Non-Electric carries them. So do many of the old Agway stores and some GOOD hardware stores have them as well. Failing that you can easily make them. Get a chunk of SMOOTH pipe with the same bore as your pump. (I use PVC or copper if possible) Now make a wood plug that will fit tightly into the pipe with a layer of WET leather around it (use tanned leather with the smooth side IN toward the plug, and round the edge of the plug so it doesn't tear the leather. Now to form the piston you cut a circle out of the leather that is larger than the piston you need by 1/2-3/4" SOAK it in warm water for a couple hours. Soak the wooden plug a bit as well you don't want it acting like a sponge when it hits the leather. Now center the leather over the pipe and force the plug into the leather/pipe. Let it set a day or two in a warm location to dry and the leather will set in the shape of the pipe bore and the nose of the plug. Once dry the leather will shrink a bit and the plug will as well allowing you to remove them from the form. Punch the hole in the middle and install. -- Steve Williams Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:30:16 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:30:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/13 frank skinner : > > I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? Did you post direct to their email addresses or to the list(s) ? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 13 09:11:04 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi Peter; I posted to the list, they finally did pop up, just a long delay Thanks anyway Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:30:16 +0100 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Help > > 2009/5/13 frank skinner : > > > > I have posted reply to other members & it doesnt show up ????? > > Did you post direct to their email addresses or to the list(s) ? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 13 09:57:08 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A0AE396.2090501@telenet.net> Message-ID: <886aa72fd1a5279a6b31b8b883e7b9ca.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> There was an article in GEM a few years back that described a similar process for making pump leathers. You could probably find it with a search on their website. See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 13, 2009 11:13 am, Steve W. wrote: > > Failing that you can easily make them. > > Get a chunk of SMOOTH pipe with the same bore as your pump. (I use PVC > or copper if possible) > Now make a wood plug that will fit tightly into the pipe with a layer of > WET leather around it (use tanned leather with the smooth side IN toward > the plug, and round the edge of the plug so it doesn't tear the leather. > > Now to form the piston you cut a circle out of the leather that is > larger than the piston you need by 1/2-3/4" SOAK it in warm water for a > couple hours. Soak the wooden plug a bit as well you don't want it > acting like a sponge when it hits the leather. Now center the leather > over the pipe and force the plug into the leather/pipe. Let it set a day > or two in a warm location to dry and the leather will set in the shape > of the pipe bore and the nose of the plug. > > Once dry the leather will shrink a bit and the plug will as well > allowing you to remove them from the form. Punch the hole in the middle > and install. From kimmell at verizon.net Wed May 13 19:37:53 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905130830k696048dbt7eade3f8dbddd399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KJM000WE4NAJW50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Sometimes it takes a while for the mail server to forward stuff. There's been a few times it takes a day or more for them to show up. I have also gotten posts out of order occasionally as well. -Tony At 11:11 AM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >hi Peter; >I posted to the list, they finally did pop up, just a long delay From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 14 03:18:27 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Ron, Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years back. Contact me off list. Curt Andree -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : -------------- > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 04:06:10 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:06:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt; It would bebifit the list if maybe you could post the available sizes for all to see. B, Rgds Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Hey Ron, > Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years back. Contact me off list. > Curt Andree > -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : -------------- > > > > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my > > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where > > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 14 04:42:26 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:42:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><051420091018.1691.4A0BEFF30004F1C90000069B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <051420091142.18165.4A0C03A2000D658C000046F5223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Frank, Have quite a few orginal mfg boxs of various sizes leathers both flat flapper and cup. Problem is much of the sizes printed on the boxs have deterioted from age and almost have to open them to see what size is stamped on the actually leathers. Also I ment to say they were NOS not NOM, slip of the fingers. Iknow I am out of 3" ones as shipped a few last year to a list member. regards, Curt -------------- Original message from frank skinner : -------------- > > Hi Curt; > It would bebifit the list if maybe you could post the available sizes for all to > see. > > > > B, Rgds > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:27 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Hey Ron, > Believe I can help you. Have large selection of NOM, cup leathers of various sizes that I got from a plumbling supply house that closed down several years > back. Contact me off list. > > Curt Andree > -------------- Original message from Ron Frost : > -------------- > > > > > > Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore > and drive it with my > > Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or > what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole > in the middle where > > > the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > > > Ron Frost > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu May 14 06:32:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:32:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V 10hp evaluation please Message-ID: Hi all Can you guys in the US give my a valuation on a 10hp R&V Triumph Line engine please. Running, complete and I think restored. I am waiting on photos. This is not for me, a lady contacted me as her father has passed away and she is wanting to sell it. It is in mid Missouri if anyone is interested. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From curt at rustyiron.com Thu May 14 07:25:14 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261345.3820.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59346.168.215.206.73.1242311114.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, Looking over your photos.....that's some pretty neat wheel and spoke work you did on the tractor wheel! Enjoyed looking at these photos. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it > with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one > would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the > middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where > can I find them? > > ?Ron Frost > ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > ? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 07:46:16 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <760093.19465.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you, I was pleased with the results. I think they look pretty much like the full sized John Deere rears of the era. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Thu, 5/14/09, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: From: curt at rustyiron.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:25 AM Ron, Looking over your photos.....that's some pretty neat wheel and spoke work you did on the tractor wheel! Enjoyed looking at these photos. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it > with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one > would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the > middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where > can I find them? > > ?Ron Frost > ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > ? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 08:48:21 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: From: frank skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM Ron; try lehmans . com? i just got 1, 1/8"? from them,? that wew less than 3.00 each ? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner ? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 ? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > Morning group, > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > >? Ron Frost >???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos >? > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 14 09:21:41 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:21:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0C4515.8040109@telenet.net> Ron Frost wrote: > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I > need on their web site. The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd > but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the > rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise They don't have a 10th of what they stock online any longer. Not sure why. -- Steve Williams From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 09:43:08 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:43:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; You should call them, the website doesnt give all they have. I'd go for 1 &7/16" cups. center hole can be punched with a gasket punch. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 09:54:52 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:54:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; Also here is a Mfg of cup leathers http://www.merrillmfg.com/product/08-WellPoints/WellPoints/cup.htm Merrill Mfg 866-532-7825 Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 14 10:34:19 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:34:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston In-Reply-To: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <799577.58016.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron; Further to the Cup leather quest Do It Best hardware stores carry Merrill cup leathers Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:48:21 -0700 > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > You must have called them . I can't find anything close to what I need on their web site. > The cylinder ID is 1.414" Seems a little odd but that's what it mikes. Also, there is a .500" center hole for the rod to go through. > > > > Ron Frost > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank skinner wrote: > > > From: frank skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:41 AM > > > > Ron; > > try lehmans . com i just got 1, 1/8" from them, that wew less than 3.00 each > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:44:37 -0700 > > From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston > > > > Morning group, > > I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. > > I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? > > > > Ron Frost > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos > > > > Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 14 20:08:37 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:08:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A foolish thing Message-ID: I have done a foolish thing... Since my trailer is still out of action I can only rally the little engines at the moment. The foolish thing? I have test run the engines which means they will not run on the rally field. I pulled the cover of the AL R&V (which had not been touched since September). It started first pull (on stale fuel)! I also got the most precious (to me) engine out of storage, my old No.1 Eclipse. I cannot remember when it was last started but it also fired first try! Hopefully they will behave tomorrow. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu May 14 20:16:35 2009 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:16:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A foolish thing References: Message-ID: <00a301c9d50b$afa80330$210110ac@Chester> Good luck Patrick, i am loading my galloway tonight to take to a vintage day on sunday, i am not going to start it, im reasonably confident it will go, cheers, Chester. >I have done a foolish thing... > Since my trailer is still out of action I can only rally the little > engines > at the moment. > The foolish thing? I have test run the engines which means they will not > run > on the rally field. > I pulled the cover of the AL R&V (which had not been touched since > September). It started first pull (on stale fuel)! > I also got the most precious (to me) engine out of storage, my old No.1 > Eclipse. I cannot remember when it was last started but it also fired > first > try! > Hopefully they will behave tomorrow. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 11:33:34 2009 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston Message-ID: <550767.80856.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Right now, I'm trying to make the new leathers. We'll see how it goes. If it doesn't work I'll see if your suggested suppliers can help. Thanks everyone. ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Ron Frost wrote: From: Ron Frost Subject: [SEL] OT Water pump leathers for the piston To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:44 AM Morning group, I have an old piston type water pump that I want to restore and drive it with my Sattley engine. I need the piston packing or leathers or cups or rings or?what ever one would call them. The leather is in the shape of a dish with a hole in the middle where the rod goes. The dia is roughly 1". My question is, Where can I find them? ?Ron Frost ??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos ? Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise ? ? ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 17 04:29:31 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:29:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA Message-ID: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> Hi All Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little paint. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rob at rustyiron.com Sat May 16 22:53:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:53:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C6EB92-52E4-4DF8-83A5-41CECBEDF92B@rustyiron.com> Nice iron, as usual, Patrick. Thank you for the pics. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 16, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Patrick wrote: > In the end I only took one engine to the Campbelltown Rally (due to a > midnight finish at work). Ron saved me a spot and once I quickly > unloaded > the 1hp R&V was still running and did not miss a beat all day. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/csm0509/index.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 16 22:33:06 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:33:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Pics Message-ID: In the end I only took one engine to the Campbelltown Rally (due to a midnight finish at work). Ron saved me a spot and once I quickly unloaded the 1hp R&V was still running and did not miss a beat all day. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/csm0509/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 17 15:29:31 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:29:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA In-Reply-To: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> References: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090517222926.56E28FC006@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Peter these are a popular little engine in OZ. I often take mine with me to fill a gap in the compund. I personally think 950 is cheap. I have seen planty of these sold for 12 to 14 hundred mark. New owner should be happy. At 09:29 PM 17/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi All > >Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 > >That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little paint. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >Australia >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >Skype name: ozengines >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 17 18:05:35 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:05:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA References: <8B3F88918DF141B5834658F569231DB7@peterlowe> <20090517222926.56E28FC006@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8FFD9976007C4931A6F96FE3837545C0@your9e74d7efa7> Wow .........I 'll see what I can do about the one down the road that is just sitting there waiting ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper/Stover KA > Peter these are a popular little engine in OZ. I often take mine with > me to fill a gap in the compund. I personally think 950 is cheap. I > have seen planty of these sold for 12 to 14 hundred mark. New owner > should be happy. > > At 09:29 PM 17/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi All >> >>Well Paul got $985.52 for his Cooper/Stover KA on Ebay. >>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=230342632466 >> >>That makes me very happy with my purchase $0.00, just needs a little >>paint. >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/cooper/cooper.htm >> >>Regards >>Peter Lowe >>R&V Engine Registrar >>Australia >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>Skype name: ozengines >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 18 06:45:18 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:45:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum pictures Message-ID: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> Martin Perman has posted these excellent pictures at the Internal fire museum at Tan Y Gros in Wales. See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/MuseumsAtNight# Unfortunately it is outside my range for me to visit it myself! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 14:15:54 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Message-ID: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead to brake failure. Is this still the case? I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue has been resolved. My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't have an issue later. Curt Holland From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 18 14:42:10 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:42:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <97C9C8E9FADC45B18E7C0A9B863044B2@Ed> Hi Curt, I had a 1986 jeep with a British hydraulic clutch and a lot of problems with rubber parts. After about the forth rebuild, I used DOT 5, Silicone base and never had a problem again. I think AMC just blew off the incompatibility of DOT 3 break fluid and British rubber. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 15:14:38 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:14:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi, Curt. This is a subject over which I spend an abnormal amount of time pondering. In a nutshell, you can mix DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 without adverse effects to the system. They are all glycol based. DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and can allow a spongy feel. Eash spec contains a bunch of criteria, but he one of concern to most people is boiling point. The higher DOT specs have higher minimum boiling points. As you probably know, when your fluid boils, your pedal goes to the floor and it gets weird very quickly. Glycol based fluids are hygroscopic. As the fluid absorbs water, the boiling point plummets. The fluid even absorbs water as it sits on the shelf, so the recommended shelf life is two years. So, to answer your question, I don't think your sister will have a problem, unless she races her Volkswagon or uses it for hauling heavy loads down steep hills. She's probably better off that the guys went out and bought a new jug of fluid, rather than using a bottle that's been sitting on the shelf for several years. As a side note, I'm skeptical for the need for Castrol in European cars. More than likely, it's a rumor that was started by an overzealous Castrol salesman, or by a manufacturer who recomended Castrol in it's owner's manual. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 18, 2009, at 2:15 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone > brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and > lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the > issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she > doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Mon May 18 18:42:28 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:42:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Rob, are these fluids really compressible? No entrained gas bubblets? Not many liquids really compress. The whole world of hydraulics relies on near incompressibility and brake systems are a good example. Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but I'm surprised that any gas-free liquids compress. Elastomeric rubber does not compress unless there are air bubbles. It deforms just fine, but squeeze it in here and it bulges out over there. I thought gas-free liquids were the same way. Jim in Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Hi, Curt. This is a subject over which I spend an abnormal amount of > time pondering. In a nutshell, you can mix DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 > without adverse effects to the system. They are all glycol based. > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon May 18 18:55:28 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:55:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Can't help about foreign cars but I do know that soaking obsolete 2 cycle carb diaphragms in brake fluid is a standard practice to soften them up. I've talked to a couple different folks and there doesn't appear to be a set time you need to soak them. Of course I've talked to others that say it will ruin the part---but they never seem to have a plan B. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. > Curt Holland > > From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 18 19:08:14 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:08:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4A12148E.3070007@telenet.net> curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake > fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most > European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use > Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead > to brake failure. > Is this still the case? Used to be a problem with British and Euro vehicles. They were REAL fussy when it came to the fluids used because of the rubber blends they used in the brake parts. From what I have seen they started using better rubber in the late 80's for the most part. > > I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the issue > has been resolved. > > My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they > bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't > have an issue later. Shouldn't be a problem. > Curt Holland > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Steve Williams From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 19:14:21 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:14:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <8E5B2224-0883-429E-8C17-52DCF324C48E@rustyiron.com> On May 18, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? No entrained gas > bubblets? Not > many liquids really compress. The whole world of hydraulics relies > on near > incompressibility and brake systems are a good example. In ultra high performance systems, it's an issue. But you are absolutely correct about dissolved gasses, which are an even bigger issue. You can pull a vacuum on brake fluid, right out of the container, and get a shocking amount of air. It's not a big problem for grocery-getters, but for high-performance, it's critical. \ From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Mon May 18 19:54:55 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:54:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Message-ID: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Hey guys Anyone know anything about them? I've had them apart several times on one of my trailers; can't get it licensed until it passes inspection since it's from out of state. Ironically I'm licensing it as a farm trailer that don't require brakes or inspection so this is a one shot deal (tho I agree brakes will be nice) but can't get any kind of license without the inspection this first time. The coils have about 10 volts to them from the controller; checked each one individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. I'm pretty sure the controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another trailer I have last time I pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms seem to work pretty freely expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they took very little tightening. I tried driving it but they still didn't work. There was a little grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing them down w/diesel & drying them good with paper towels is the last thing I've tried; dark caught me before I got the last one finished. If they don't work this time anyone got any ideas? Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 18 20:39:23 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Rob, Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. From rotigel at me.com Mon May 18 20:45:06 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <369DE56C2AC645E39008456B17E79F69@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <36E710D7-C75C-4FF0-9BA1-37DFAB6775E7@me.com> On May 18, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? > > Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, Things are VERY different in KA than they are in Vermont! Dave From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon May 18 21:07:53 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Hi Rob, Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? See ya, Arnie On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the > others. > 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based > fluids and > can allow a spongy feel. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 18 21:30:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:30:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On May 18, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? Nah. Don't care enough. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 18 22:21:21 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:21:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/18 : > Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about > compatability with brake fluids. Curt et al: There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck and other car-related parts suppliers. It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days (1950's and 1960's) Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without problems. I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 06:00:10 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic clutches? Those are british. They use standard fluids. Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to the states? Bill > Can't help about foreign cars but I do know that soaking obsolete 2 cycle > carb diaphragms in brake fluid is a standard practice to soften them up. > I've talked to a couple different folks and there doesn't appear to be a > set > time you need to soak them. Of course I've talked to others that say it > will > ruin the part---but they never seem to have a plan B. > > John Hall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:15 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> computability with brake fluids. I'm not speaking of the silicone brake >> fluid, but rather the regular (glycol?) brake fluids. Seems like most >> European cars used Castrol brake fluid and I was taught to only use >> Castrol brake fluid in these cars, lest the rubber parts soften and lead >> to brake failure. >> Is this still the case? >> >> I found nothing about this on a quick Internet search, so maybe the >> issue >> has been resolved. >> >> My sister has a newer VW and they added brake fluid (not Castrol) they >> bought at a local auto parts store. Just wanted to make sure she doesn't >> have an issue later. >> Curt Holland >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 06:01:43 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? > Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out > while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which > you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the >> others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based >> fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue May 19 07:31:40 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Message-ID: Lew: First, I think I'd check out the wiring. 10 volts at the coils seems a bit low to me. Maybe you have the trailer (and pulling vehicle) brake wiring strung with inadequate gauge wire. I'm not familiar with electric except for having looked at the guts of a system once a long time ago but I think that, if the armatures are too far from the magnets, there will not be enough force exerted by the magnetic field to make enough pressure on the shoes to do much braking. To me, the optimum armature setting would be the brake locking solidly at a point just before the armature and magnet touch. Could be that there is a linkage adjustment that can be made to fix the problem. I give advice without knowing all of what I'm talking about but that does not -stop- me. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 09:55 PM > To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Hey guys > > Anyone know anything about them? ........................snip........................ > The coils have about 10 volts to them from the > controller; checked each one > individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. > I'm pretty sure the > controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another > trailer I have last time I > pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms > seem to work pretty freely > expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they > took very little tightening. > I tried driving it but they still didn't work. > There was a little > grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing > them down w/diesel & drying > them good with paper towels is the last thing > I've tried; dark caught me > before I got the last one finished. If they > don't work this time anyone got > any ideas? > > Lew Best near Waco, TX From frappi at wcoil.com Tue May 19 06:40:59 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Unknown Carburetor In-Reply-To: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> References: <003d01c9d7be$e2e4e6e0$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <20090519134055.9659D33C0408@mail06.wcoil.com> Would anyone have an idea what this carb is originally from? Any help would be appreciated. http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/uncarb1.jpg Thank You, Mark Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 19 06:54:40 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:54:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> Hi List, Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge the Maytag magnets ? I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 06:52:59 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:52:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <00c801c9d82d$31236160$936a2420$@com> Message-ID: <008f01c9d889$1f8c0900$5ea41b00$@com> Thanks Elden Wiring should be adequate as it's a factory built 2006 model trailer (but it has seen pretty hard use). Had one magnet open; I replaced it but that didn't help. The magnets have light weight springs to apparently make them lightly drag on the armatures constantly. They do pull a screwdriver to them when activated but don't seem very strong? A guy on another list said he had similar problems & finally gave up & took his to a shop; there was a diode near the tongue in a blue plastic housing that was bad. I'll be looking for something like that on it today for sure! Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew: First, I think I'd check out the wiring. 10 volts at the coils seems a bit low to me. Maybe you have the trailer (and pulling vehicle) brake wiring strung with inadequate gauge wire. I'm not familiar with electric except for having looked at the guts of a system once a long time ago but I think that, if the armatures are too far from the magnets, there will not be enough force exerted by the magnetic field to make enough pressure on the shoes to do much braking. To me, the optimum armature setting would be the brake locking solidly at a point just before the armature and magnet touch. Could be that there is a linkage adjustment that can be made to fix the problem. I give advice without knowing all of what I'm talking about but that does not -stop- me. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Lew Best > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 09:55 PM > To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Hey guys > > Anyone know anything about them? ........................snip........................ > The coils have about 10 volts to them from the > controller; checked each one > individually. Magnets pull screwdriver to them. > I'm pretty sure the > controller's ok; brakes worked fine on another > trailer I have last time I > pulled it (2-3 months ago maybe?). Mechanisms > seem to work pretty freely > expanding the shoes. I adjusted them but they > took very little tightening. > I tried driving it but they still didn't work. > There was a little > grease/oil on the magnets & armatures; washing > them down w/diesel & drying > them good with paper towels is the last thing > I've tried; dark caught me > before I got the last one finished. If they > don't work this time anyone got > any ideas? > > Lew Best near Waco, TX _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 19 06:57:33 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:57:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <2719CE048E31419381EE38503E496176@tommyd0x52gkco> Must depend on how big the foot is pushing the pedal. (I'd think to produce 30,000 psi it would have to push it through the floor!). I remember having a hydraulics course in college when doing undergraduate work in engineering. Its quite amazing the psi developed in hydraulic systems (I'm not necessarily speaking of brake systems here). It amazed me that things held together under the pressure exerted. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? > Wter compresses about 20% at 30,000 PSI. Found this out > while doing some research on a water jet cutting system. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which > you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the >> others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based >> fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:11:10 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:11:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice Message-ID: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> >From another place: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ IN GENERAL 1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview. 2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them. 3. It's tacky to take an esky to church. 4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets. 5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take your ute and trailer to the funeral. DINING OUT 1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine. 2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand. ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME 1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist. 2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners. PERSONAL HYGIENE 1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using one's OWN ute keys. 2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money. 3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days. 4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, it alters the taste of finger foods and if you are a woman it can draw attention away from your jewellery. DATING 1. Always offer to bait your date's hook ? especially on the first date. 2 Be assertive. Let her know you're interested: 'I've been wanting to go out with you ever since I read that stuff about you on the dunny door two years ago.' 3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will say 11:00 PM, others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, it's your responsibility to get her to school on time. THEATRE/CINEMA ETIQUETTE 1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends. 2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you. WEDDINGS 1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift. 2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your popularity. (Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place) 3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance. 4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for the occasion. DRIVING ETIQUETTE 1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your gun's loaded and the roo's in your rifle sight 2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar doesn't always have the right of way. 3. Never tow another car using pantihose and duct tape. 4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to bring back beer too. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:12:45 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:12:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic clutches? > Those are british. They use standard fluids. > Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to the > states? > > Bill Bill: There may well have been derivative systems developed for the USA, and it would also have been around the time of the universal fluid that was developed to cover all systems. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 09:10:58 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition In-Reply-To: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> References: <20090519.095440.1500.1.jlb94> Message-ID: <4981.165.206.180.130.1242749458.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Just wanted to let Dave know to look at the topic line as this message about MAYTAGS came to me: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition I'm sure Dave programmed the filter in and fully agrees with its assessment. LOL Bill > Hi List, > Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge > the Maytag magnets ? > > I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > > I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > illness." > > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 19 09:14:50 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <003901c9d824$e3ce2510$64d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <4591.165.206.180.130.1242738010.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <6f6025160905190712k218a2751l720c96a654aef3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4997.165.206.180.130.1242749690.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> These were used very late 70's through the 80's but were in development mode earlier than that. A prototype was sent to England to develop the drivetrain, while the car used was already in production here. They had to change around the clutch to fit in the 4 wheel drive system and ended up going hydraulic. Not so sure the earlier 2wd version wasn't hydraulic as well, though. Either way, the car went into production in 1979 as a 1980 model and the hydraulics were Girling. And used standard fluid - nothing different than ordinary DOT brake fluid. Just curious.......... Bill > 2009/5/19 : >> What about all the Girling parts used by AMC in their hydraulic >> clutches? >> Those are british. They use standard fluids. >> Did Girling differentiate between domestic use and that for export to >> the >> states? >> >> Bill > > Bill: > > There may well have been derivative systems developed for the USA, and > it would also have been around the time of the universal fluid that > was developed to cover all systems. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 19 09:29:06 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:29:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California Gold engine show Message-ID: <20090519.092909.1076.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last weekend was the California Gold engine show held in Modesto Ca. This was an invitation only show for California built engines. Over 80 engines were there. No rules, no ropes, just engines, good friends, good food, and a good time. 166 raw photos are up, captions will take a while so check back in a few days. Enjoy. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009?authkey=Gv1sRgC MzJnL3S29618gE# For those of you who have trouble with the URL wrapping, go here and choose the California Gold 2009. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. 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Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 19 10:35:06 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:35:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <008f01c9d889$1f8c0900$5ea41b00$@com> Message-ID: <20090519133506.E3SR6.2973178.root@mp11> ---- Lew Best wrote: > Connect a battery straight to the trailer brake wires, the wheels should lock up. If you have a DC amp clamp check the amperage to each wheel with the battery connected, then check it with the vehicle brake controller. Check for voltage in the ground wire while the brakes are engaged, indication of a bad ground. J.B. Castagnos From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:01:05 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <59357.168.215.206.73.1242756065.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Arnie, Many many years ago when I was doing the frame off restoration on the 1960 MGA I used the silicone brake fluid. The driving force was the fact that silicone brake fluid will not harm paint finishes. The way the brake reservoir is on an MGA, means that any drips or spills will fall onto a painted shelf which is part of the firewall assy. This part always has peeling paint on an MGA and looks terrible and rusty. The silicone brake fluid would eliminate this concern for this show car I was preparing. Truthfully it was horrible fluid. Rob spoke of compressibility.....call it what you want, but no matter how much you bled the brakes they were always spongy feeling. To top that off silicone brake fluid does not have near the lubricity of regular brake fluid. When you were bleeding you could feel a stick/slip/stick/slip as the seals traveled down the bore of the master cylinder of both the brake and clutch systems. I have never used the damned stuff since and now use regular old brake fluid. Curt > Hi Rob, > > Could you elaborate on this "compressible liquid" of which you speak? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> DOT 5.0 is silicone based, and you can not mix it with the others. >> 5.1 is several times more compressible than glycol based fluids and >> can allow a spongy feel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue May 19 11:01:13 2009 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Message-ID: Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:10:59 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Peter et al: Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. It's sounds as if the general consensus is that rubber compounds and glycol based (non-silicone) brake fluids have been standardized and that mixing US Prestone brake fluid with Euro Castrol is likely safe today. Thanks everyone for the replies. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > 2009/5/18 : >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> compatability with brake fluids. > > Curt et al: > > There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who > also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. > There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. > > Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed > produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a > trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck > and other car-related parts suppliers. > > It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days > (1950's and 1960's) > > Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their > own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually > a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current > situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without > problems. > > I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT > standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 19 11:18:09 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59432.168.215.206.73.1242757089.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> >Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at > wwgrainger part # 4FE24. > Bruce Younger Bruce, Agree with you on the wire nuts, and for that matter even the connectors you list. I'm an advocate of soldering all wiring connections on trailers. Last summer I even soldered the wires into the brass connectors of the wiring harness plug. It had little pointy screws to make the electrical connection and this was beginning to loose conductivity. The solder fixed that for good. Curt From MBellar at aol.com Tue May 19 11:43:44 2009 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:43:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids Message-ID: In a message dated 5/18/2009 11:35:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: > Rob, are these fluids really compressible? > > Jim in Vermont Hi Jim, Things are VERY different in KA than they are in Vermont! Dave If I remember my pre E=MCC (where is the square key when you need it) physics lectures correctly, supercritical fluids such as carbon dioxide, ammonia and LPG at room temperature are compressible and increase in density with pressure while a pure liquid (as defined by the scientific community) does not increase in density as it's pressure is increased( i.e. non-compressible). Too bad Dr. John is not on the List to keep us informed on such issues and the newest uses of purse string sutures for birth control and rectal/vaginal prolapse resolution. Tom Bellar **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 12:33:08 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue May 19 13:02:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:02:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Message-ID: Lew; On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry proper current & deliver full voltage. { My $.50 worth } Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 19 13:06:19 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:06:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A13113B.4020202@telenet.net> Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/5/18 : >> Years ago one had to be careful when servicing foreign cars about >> compatability with brake fluids. > > Curt et al: > > There were two main sources for brake fluid: Girling and Lockheed, who > also were the two main brake suppliers to the UK and European makers. > There was also similar situation with clutch hydraulics. > > Castrol produced the Red brake fluid for Girling, and Lockheed > produced an amber coloured fluid for their own products. Lockheed is a > trading name for Automotive Products (AP) which also owned Borg & Beck > and other car-related parts suppliers. > > It was not permissible to mix and match the two fluids in those days > (1950's and 1960's) > > Car manufacturers such as GM/Vauxhall and Ford started to supply their > own parts and fluid for their brake and clutch systems, and eventually > a universal clutch and brake fluid evolved, which is the current > situation today. That fluid can be used in any system without > problems. > > I don't know how it affects products in the US regarding the DOT > standards, I will have a look on a tin when I get a minute. > > Peter If you owned any of the Ford F series over the 1 tons with hydraulic brakes and hydro-boost you owned that damn Lucas/Girling brake system. We have that POS on the one Ford F600 we have in the department. If I ever meet the guy who decided to use that F%&k$d up system on those trucks I'll beat him over the head with it..... -- Steve Williams From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 19 13:29:39 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:29:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4A13113B.4020202@telenet.net> Message-ID: <20090519162939.1M574.2946230.root@mp15> > > We have that POS on the one Ford F600 we have in the department. If I > ever meet the guy who decided to use that F%&k$d up system on those > trucks I'll beat him over the head with it..... > > -- > Steve Williams I've never been to Detroit, but I can only imagine the engineers and the mechanics don't hang out in the same bar rooms. J.B. Castagnos From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 15:16:18 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:16:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> Message-ID: <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Thanks Frank First I'm gonna solder all the connections & re-check for any abrasions, etc. & see if that cures the problems. The way it's wired is a double line going to the front axle on the right side that has a "branch" pair of wires to the left side of that axle & another branch pair to the right of the rear axle. This pair is connected to the right rear brake & another branch to the left rear brake. I have some liquid tape to paint the soldered connections with. If I can find my heat shrink I'll seal it with that also. We'll see......... BTW this may very well have been used around salt water; it's a dump trailer I bought near New Orleans that was used for clean-up after Katrina. Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:03 PM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew; On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry proper current & deliver full voltage. { My $.50 worth } Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed tonight. > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > Lew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. Here's > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing to > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of our > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > Bruce Younger > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > Madison, SD > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > thereafter." > > E. Hemingway > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 19 15:57:28 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:57:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com > References: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090519225720.6E3C9198262@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Thanks for that Peter, it's always good to do a re-fresher every now and then. regards Russell At 12:11 AM 20/05/2009, you wrote: > >From another place: > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >IN GENERAL >1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview. >2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them. >3. It's tacky to take an esky to church. >4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets. >5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take >your ute and trailer to the funeral. > >DINING OUT >1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly >so as not to bruise the wine. >2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand. > >ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME >1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a >taxidermist. >2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners. > >PERSONAL HYGIENE >1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in >private, using one's OWN ute keys. >2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money. >3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days. >4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, it alters the taste >of finger foods and if you are a woman it can draw attention away from >your jewellery. > >DATING >1. Always offer to bait your date's hook ? especially on the first date. >2 Be assertive. Let her know you're interested: 'I've been wanting to go >out with you ever since I read that stuff about you on the dunny door >two years ago.' >3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will >say 11:00 PM, others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, >it's your responsibility to get her to school on time. > >THEATRE/CINEMA ETIQUETTE >1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the >movie ends. >2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have >proven they can't hear you. > >WEDDINGS >1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift. >2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your >popularity. (Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place) >3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund >and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance. >4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for the occasion. > >DRIVING ETIQUETTE >1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your gun's >loaded and the roo's in your rifle sight >2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar >doesn't always have the right of way. >3. Never tow another car using pantihose and duct tape. >4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite >to ask her to bring back beer too. > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Tue May 19 16:28:45 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:28:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: Lew; If it's a NOLA, Katrina trailer, I'd bet good $$$ its either been in, near, or under salt water, Cut back the wires @ every joint, to see if bright copper shows, if not salt may have wicked up in the ends, same with an insulation scrape that bare. Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much gonna give trouble later on. What is usually done as soon as the boat is up is to wash the connections with fresh water then a 50/50 solution of vinegar, crop back the ends & re-crimp the connectors, spay corrosion inhibitor. On trailers its often just better to rewire. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:16:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > Thanks Frank > > First I'm gonna solder all the connections & re-check for any abrasions, > etc. & see if that cures the problems. The way it's wired is a double line > going to the front axle on the right side that has a "branch" pair of wires > to the left side of that axle & another branch pair to the right of the rear > axle. This pair is connected to the right rear brake & another branch to > the left rear brake. I have some liquid tape to paint the soldered > connections with. If I can find my heat shrink I'll seal it with that also. > We'll see......... > > BTW this may very well have been used around salt water; it's a dump trailer > I bought near New Orleans that was used for clean-up after Katrina. > > Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:03 PM > To: AA_OLD ENGINE > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > Lew; > > On boat tailers around salt water I always solder all connections, > > paint with 3-M liquid insulation & slide heat shrink over that & tape. > > The other thing is to have home runs from each item to the front > > of the trailer & make connections there & do the same as above. > > Always use oversize wires, where you can, to ensure they carry > > proper current & deliver full voltage. > > > > { My $.50 worth } > > > > Best of luck > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:33:08 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > > Thanks Bruce & everyone. Got them working but about half way to the > > inspection place they quit again. GOTTA be a connection somewhere! Was > > suspicious of maybe the controller but hooked up my other trailer with > > electric brakes & it works fine. Gotta put it on the back burner for a > > while; wanted to haul some stuff with it I gotta get moved but will just > > have to use one of my other trailers for now unless I get it fixed > tonight. > > I'm gonna start by soldering all the connections. > > > > Lew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > Younger > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:01 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes > > > > > > Lew, Elden may be onto something. Do check the wiring well. 10 V is a > > little shy, but should work. I've seen four wheel brake wiring from 16 ga > > on up; given a choice I run 12 ga. Having 10V at the supply to the magnet > > doesn't mean much if the ground is bad; check the ground thoroughly. > Here's > > what caught me a year ago: The wiring ran from the street side of the > > trailer to the curb side through the axle tube. Some of the wiring had > > abraded the insulation enough to leak voltage to ground, thus causing the > > brakes to be very weak. If your wiring works that way, the easiest thing > to > > do is just cut it off and run new wires on the outside of the tube and > > zip-strip them in place. You can put them inside a loom if you think you > > need to. Also, use good connectors, not wire nuts. Look at wwgrainger part > > # 4FE24. I've had some in service for three years on the bottom side of > our > > fifth wheel covering over 20K miles, without a failure. > > > > Bruce Younger > > > > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > > > > Madison, SD > > > > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted > > armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else > > thereafter." > > > > E. Hemingway > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori > > al_WhatsNew1_052009 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Tue May 19 16:49:08 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: <004801c9d8dc$677056b0$36510410$@com> The guy that had this bought it after Katrina for clean-up. He lived in Florida at the time (title shows he bought it new; Florida title & his addy was a Florida addy). He had several items related to storm clean-up but was selling it all out; said it was a hard way to make a living. I don't think it went thru the storm, was just used for clean-up. I haven't found any "green connections" so far. Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:29 PM To: AA_OLD ENGINE Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes Lew; If it's a NOLA, Katrina trailer, I'd bet good $$$ its either been in, near, or under salt water, Cut back the wires @ every joint, to see if bright copper shows, if not salt may have wicked up in the ends, same with an insulation scrape that bare. Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much gonna give trouble later on. What is usually done as soon as the boat is up is to wash the connections with fresh water then a 50/50 solution of vinegar, crop back the ends & re-crimp the connectors, spay corrosion inhibitor. On trailers its often just better to rewire. Best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rotigel at me.com Tue May 19 19:42:27 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:42:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric trailer brakes In-Reply-To: References: <01bb01c9d8b8$a40dce00$ec296a00$@com> <001b01c9d8cf$75ba66f0$612f34d0$@com> Message-ID: On May 19, 2009, at 7:28 PM, frank skinner wrote: > Lew; > Wires in boats that have sunk in salt water, are pretty much > gonna give trouble later on. > Franklin S. Skinner And that's not the least of the problem for the captian and crew! Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Tue May 19 20:33:36 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 19 21:53:09 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7e5df5bad91fba190b7046f3fd2130df.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <4605.165.206.180.130.1242738103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <2ea2d6029823c3ba44f14008abba57d1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Well, when you come around that bend, late at night and hot on the throttle, and you spot that moose standing broadside in the road... 8-)) On Tue, May 19, 2009 9:01 am, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > How many brake systems reach 30,000 psi? From kimmell at verizon.net Tue May 19 21:52:09 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Etiquette Advice In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com > References: <6f6025160905190711p4035228id2775379004ed816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KJX00L67EV3MZ70@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> lol, that's an Australian version of the Jeff Foxworthy etiquette list from back in the 90's... From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 19 22:15:26 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 01:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c3d601f32064d308e1a2f5fdc6cd276.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Ah, yes, the good ol' days... 8-))) On Tue, May 19, 2009 2:43 pm, MBellar at aol.com wrote: > Too bad Dr. John is not on the List to keep us informed on such > issues > and the newest uses of purse string sutures for birth control and > rectal/vaginal prolapse resolution. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed May 20 03:43:53 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 03:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Mark, You didn't tell him about cleaning the points with the folded corn of a $100 bill. If nobody else is around a plain old dollar bill will work I guess. ? I have seen fresh filed points give no spark until they were cleaned like that. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:10 PM Marks Magneto will take care if it for you. Sets up across from Jake Faith- Check Point Charley.? Get after the points with a metal backed fingernail file to level them then finish off with doubled over 230 grit paper. More times then not this is the problem. Modern point files are not worth a tinkers fart in this case.???Mark At 09:54 AM 5/19/2009, you wrote: >Hi List, >Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge >the Maytag magnets ? > >I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > >I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > >? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >? jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >? ? ,-._,-.? ? ? http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >? ? \/)"(\/ >? ? (_o_)? ? ???"There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental >illness." > >____________________________________________________________ >Compete with the big boys.? Click here to find products to benefit >your business. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVvW6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.338 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: >05/18/09 06:28:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site???www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 20 11:52:18 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:52:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition In-Reply-To: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <97440.98946.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090520185213.D0B9676B833C@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi Alan, Actually no need to double it over just use two bill. GRIN. The Maytag points do not seem to need the final smooth dress like we are used to giving to others. They seem quite happy with a 230 grit dressing. Goes against everything I was taught and told on point conditioning but it works and works well. Maytags service manual only advises a 230 grit dressing and nothing else. Mark At 06:43 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote: >Hey Mark, >You didn't tell him about cleaning the points with the folded corn >of a $100 bill. >If nobody else is around a plain old dollar bill will work I guess. > >I have seen fresh filed points give no spark until they were cleaned >like that. > >Alan in Michigan > >--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:10 PM > > >Marks Magneto will take care if it for you. Sets up across from Jake >Faith- Check Point Charley. Get after the points with a metal backed >fingernail file to level them then finish off with doubled over 230 >grit paper. More times then not this is the problem. Modern point >files are not worth a tinkers fart in this case. Mark > > >At 09:54 AM 5/19/2009, you wrote: > >Hi List, > >Does anyone know if there will be someone at Coolspring that can charge > >the Maytag magnets ? > > > >I don't feel the spark is strong enough on my two Maytags. > > > >I'm lucky to get a 1/16" spark jump. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > \/)"(\/ > > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > >illness." > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > >your business. > >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97voWzldrv2dGVv > W6PZUrbXyLGH27WOkAbfCknId3ncJohdDnyw/ > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.0.338 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: > >05/18/09 06:28:00 > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. >Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2124 - Release Date: >05/20/09 06:22:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From gastzt at aol.com Wed May 20 12:01:22 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:01:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Maytag Ignition Message-ID: chamois skin REALLY works well, too! Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell?s full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) From james.kangas at timken.com Wed May 20 12:59:48 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:59:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The liberal justice system triumphs again. The next thing will be the thieves suing the engine owner for all the trouble he cause them. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mark Shulaw Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 11:33 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 20 13:16:53 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:16:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Message-ID: <20090520.131654.672.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8Kc5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 20 13:47:29 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Message-ID: Ron, Those are some really nice engines to see. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From frappi at wcoil.com Wed May 20 14:36:23 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:36:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com> <20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za> <20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090520213618.1FED53C07AC@mail02.wcoil.com> They had not actually done anything yet as far as the law is concerned. Just backed up to a engine not clearly visible from the road with the owners not home and loading gear in the truck. If the owner had came home and seen the ramps down and cables hooked on, then the intent would have been more clear. As it is now in New Hampshire where this happened, uninvited people are allowed to trespass when no signs are posted and do what ever they want as long as clear intent is not shown and they leave when you confront them. Myself personally I would not do what they had done. Most of us would have parked at the outer end of the drive way and went to the door first to knock . But not have intruded further untill the owner was present. So you in New Hampshire be warned it looks like anyone can come stomping around on your place without asking and look it all over, snoop around and then just leave if confronted and nothing can be done if No Trespassing signs are not posted. Mark At 03:59 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote: >The liberal justice system triumphs again. The next thing will be >the thieves suing the engine owner for all the trouble he cause them. > > Jim K. > >________________________________ > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Mark Shulaw >Sent: Tue 5/19/2009 11:33 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire > > > >Well the last word I got on this is there will be no charges. The >fellows story check out that they heard about the engines new home >from the previous owner and tracked it down. Still seems curious that >they would pull in just after the owners left the house and was >backed up to the engine tucked in on the back side of the >garage, Instead of parking in the drive way like most people would >when stopping in to a strangers place. Mark > > > > >Mark Shulaw >Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do >not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken >Corporation >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2124 - Release Date: >05/20/09 06:22:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From obise at moscow.com Wed May 20 14:49:59 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:49:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold In-Reply-To: <20090520.131654.672.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20090520215021.E76E567867E@secure.fsr.com> Thank you for the great pictures and captions. At first glance I don't see any Golden Gate engines. Were there any at the show? We have one in our club, so rare that it isn't supposed to exist in its horsepower rating. I wonder if this group knows of it. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:17 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8K c5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed May 20 15:20:37 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:20:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Not Caught in New Hampshire References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><38925.39989.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20090428183026.24EA633C03EC@mail06.wcoil.com><20090429020013.D5C5A3A8403@mail03.wcoil.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090429153842.01f84d78@mail.atech.co.za><5.2.1.1.2.20090429223219.01f83670@mail.atech.co.za><20090520033331.87A6B3E41CB@mail05.wcoil.com> <20090520213618.1FED53C07AC@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <11DDF39893454E7095E73EE78435BB73@REG> So, a statement giving these facts and THE NAMES of these two needs to be put on the listso anyone else, finding them on their property, will know they are just looking! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed May 20 15:34:50 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:34:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold In-Reply-To: <20090520215021.E76E567867E@secure.fsr.com> Message-ID: <20090520223447.62CFE302850@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Orrin , Take a look at the Schilling. I think it predates the GG's There're are a few GG's around but they are rare.I know one lucky guy that has TWO! CYA, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin B Iseminger Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:50 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Re: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Thank you for the great pictures and captions. At first glance I don't see any Golden Gate engines. Were there any at the show? We have one in our club, so rare that it isn't supposed to exist in its horsepower rating. I wonder if this group knows of it. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:17 PM To: Wapa-members at rustyiron.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Captions up on CA. Gold Captions are up, as much as I have now. If you see a correction or addition please mail me. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/CaliforniaGold2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSdNwb0VRtNt8pYC5NLvg8K c5hs4f9sbniRkB8zJLPq3e2sxiA/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed May 20 15:53:29 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:53:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090520225326.B99394054C3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 20 15:58:42 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:58:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info Message-ID: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a portable going by description? Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Wed May 20 16:27:57 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:27:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <20090520225326.B99394054C3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed May 20 21:41:32 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:41:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info References: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> Hi Russell, My book has 118865.....4/1/1917.his eng. No. is close to that date. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info > Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any > info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also > 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a > portable going by description? > Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Wed May 20 23:19:31 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:19:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info In-Reply-To: <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> References: <20090520225833.48CED14C06E@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <83A2B21108CA4B1D8A6C43CD4A3D33FE@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20090521061921.356C3358003@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Thanks Brian, a good starting point Russ At 02:41 PM 21/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Russell, >My book has 118865.....4/1/1917.his eng. No. is close to that date. >Brian. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Gilbert" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:58 AM >Subject: [SEL] chasing some blackstone info > > > > Hi all, I had a mate ring me yesterday asking if I can forward any > > info on a blacktone. Engine number 118873, has some patent No also > > 19640-02, 24600-03. Still waiting for photos but would seem to be a > > portable going by description? > > Russell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 21 00:19:32 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:19:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > Peter et al: > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > The guys in Oz used another kind of Amber Coloured fluid ...... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 21 01:22:48 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905210122ub92bc78x5dbae0f2e3d88c32@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/19 : > Peter et al: > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > > It's sounds as if the general consensus is that rubber compounds and > glycol based (non-silicone) brake fluids have been standardized and that > mixing US Prestone brake fluid with Euro Castrol is likely safe today. > > Thanks everyone for the replies. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > As promised, I had a look at a new brake fluid container this morning, and it states that is is compatible with or exceeds the requirements of FMVSS116*** DOT 3 and DOT 4. Synthetic based according to SAE J 1703. DOT 5 is silicone based and not compatible with any other mineral or synthetic brake fluids as far as I can find. *** http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Vehicle%20Safety/Test%20Procedures/Associated%20Files/TP-116-04.pdf Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From marinesurveys at msn.com Thu May 21 02:27:05 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 05:27:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <59344.168.215.206.73.1242681354.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905182221g2d5ba208vc28c5635fa23aeff@mail.gmail.com> <59367.168.215.206.73.1242756659.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6f6025160905210019v40361b3dl25ad17b5ce50ca0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ponders the "Amber Coloured fluid" used in OZ ;-} and may not wanna know Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:19:32 +0100 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT. Brake fluids > > 2009/5/19 : > > Peter et al: > > Ah there is the accurate information I was after! I think all the MG brake > > systems used Lockheed parts and I used the amber coloured fluid. > > > > The guys in Oz used another kind of Amber Coloured fluid ...... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu May 21 04:15:12 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 04:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. ? It would be a lot better to catch them on video. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:27 PM I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. ???Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them? ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Thu May 21 07:33:55 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:33:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DD409D688184E55880A692E39A0F605@FAMILYROOM> or the freezer and feed grinder method ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. It would be a lot better to catch them on video. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:27 PM I don't see why not. Just make sure they die on the property, don't let them get away wounded. That's when the cops can cause you problems. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Wed 5/20/2009 6:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Thieves Hey, just a hypothetical question, if you wait and catch them loading the truck, can you legally put a cap in them ? Jimmy Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 21 07:51:32 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:51:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.com> Actually " If they do not have a weapon " should be "If no weapon is found." Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. Paul - another pacifist in California From falcon at telenet.net Thu May 21 16:47:05 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu May 21 18:01:09 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:01:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c9da78$cb1484a0$613d8de0$@com> Sorry officer, but these crazy thieves tried to run me over with their truck. I had to shoot them! Case closed! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 21 18:27:46 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:27:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: We have the thieves on video there all in Washington. In a message dated 5/21/2009 7:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 21 18:41:44 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:41:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. = = = = = Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ From enginepaul at gmail.com Thu May 21 19:39:09 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:39:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <5387449816345876769@unknownmsgid> References: <5387449816345876769@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905211939g4ec350d9mab4696eee3e8fac4@mail.gmail.com> > Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been > told. > = = = = = > Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > Also a > Also a "drop gun" .. . or so I heard. From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 21 20:19:18 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> Message-ID: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity under the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Alan wrote: > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in danger. No weapons needed. My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. -- Steve _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Thu May 21 23:45:36 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 01:45:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <831098.52579.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8d3c36fb0905210751m74d82dd9g4aa40c5cde6587f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KK1008OW9G8AL60@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> What is this "registering of guns" that you speak of??? At 09:51 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Actually " If they do not have a weapon " should be "If no weapon is found." >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been told. > >Paul - another pacifist in California From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 22 06:56:50 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 06:56:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> References: <20090521.214902.1452.6.jlb94> Message-ID: <4a168500.0807c00a.3c61.ffff9e62@mx.google.com> No Joe that is called being smart these days. We had a small store owner back a few years that kept getting robbed at night. so owner spent a few nights there after sending away his auto. second night in they came he fired first shot bird shot and said next kills. The guy came at him with a screw driver in his hand owner said i was not joking. he stopped. Owner was arrested charged but then set free self defence assistant da said he was guilty because he waited for them. [laying in wait] Judge said da was crazy R Fink At 09:41 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've been >told. >= = = = = >Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental >illness." >____________________________________________________________ >Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 22 07:03:36 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:03:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <4A15E7F9.1050602@telenet.net> <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4a168691.0504c00a.666a.ffffd829@mx.google.com> Tommy in that case that would be like shooting your car. You don't shoot your RIDE lol R Fink At 11:19 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: >You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is >you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a >constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the >constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to >his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity under >the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the >family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > >Alan wrote: > > If they do not have a weapon and were not a threat to your life then > > if you shoot them expect to spend the next few years in prison. > > > > It would be a lot better to catch them on video. > > > >Actually it depends on the laws in your location. In some areas the laws >state you have a right to defend yourself if you FEEL your life is in >danger. No weapons needed. > >My policy is REAL simple. If I feel you are a credible threat to myself >or to someone I am with they get ONE verbal warning to desist. Ignore >the warning and they get a lead slug to the center of mass. > >-- >Steve >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri May 22 05:04:05 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:04:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). Judge Turner, Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently stands, if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? Just Curious, Mike From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 06:39:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:39:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <8E0E588C-7A10-46D5-8C3E-EB54B3AC566F@me.com> On May 21, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your > home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). We have a > constitutional case in my county that will probably determine the > constitutionality of Kentucky's law. A man's daughter in law came to > his home and he ends up fatally shooting her. He claims immunity > under > the Castle Law. However, he was having an affair with her and the > family claims it was much more than just him protecting his home. > > Tommy Turner Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts that he was simply "defending his home?" Dave From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 06:42:11 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:42:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: On May 22, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your >> home is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike Hi Mike, MOST states make a distinction between your home and your barn--not sure about KY! Dave PS, Judge Turner, Could the Castle Law be found unconstitutional because it discriminates against the homeless? From bgrimley at bellsouth.net Fri May 22 07:03:04 2009 From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:03:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h> <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: <052220091403.1119.4A16B098000827A50000045F22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net> On a highly related subject , if you are in a situation in the US, were in your opinion it becomes necessary to shot someone, you will no doubt be "invited" to talk to an officer of the law. Well worth anyones watching is part 1 of a law professor's lecture "never talk to the police" [you might have to copy and paste this, or search youtube.com with the words "never" and "police"]. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVq6N0xAEEM Note: Part 2 is good also. Part 2 link appears at end of part 1. > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 22 07:12:28 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:12:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <20090522.102711.1504.3.jlb94> Hi Rich, Actually, I was just being "smart". The first handgun I bought was a "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:56:50 -0700 Richard Fink Sr writes: > No Joe that is called being smart these days. > We had a small store owner back a few years that kept getting robbed > > at night. so owner spent a few nights there after sending away his > auto. second night in they came he fired first shot bird shot and > said next kills. The guy came at him with a screw driver in his hand > > owner said i was not joking. he stopped. Owner was arrested charged > > but then set free self defence assistant da said he was guilty > because he waited for them. [laying in wait] Judge said da was > crazy > R Fink > > > At 09:41 PM 5/21/2009 -0400, you wrote: > >Some people keep unregistered guns for such purposes - or so I've > been > >told. > >= = = = = > >Is that called a "throw-down" by any chance ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > \/)"(\/ > > (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental > >illness." > >____________________________________________________________ > >Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! > >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOXd1AgDR9lExhoAqxZkeM 8g3WmAsV6M55c4pqjuefOJVKUot1zxu/ > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 08:05:53 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:05:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> Message-ID: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Mike, The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you merely think someone might steal something. But, this is where the big gray area comes in. Someone might feel there life is in danger if they merely see a stranger on their property. Others may not feel their life is in danger until someone pulls a knife or gun. It gives the prosecutors and defense a lot to challenge on both sides and if anyone can tell me how a jury knows what the person actually "feels" we'll write a book and make millions. In the case in my county, the lady didn't have a gun or knife but had access to them in the home. The gent, who did have a gun, stated he felt his life was in immanent danger as she would get a gun or knife and try to kill him. ????? This trial will last a while I'm sure and will end up before the Supreme Court in some form or fashion to determine the validity of the law. If he wins the question is asked "is the law too broad as simply feeling threatened will allow any homeowner to kill anyone who enters there property" (I sure hope I don't run out of gas in front of that person's house and walk up to it to find out where the nearest station is). If he looses the challenge will be "the law states he has the right to use deadly force if he feels his life is threatened and in this case he did". Perfect fodder for the courts! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home is > you Castle and you have the right to defend it). Judge Turner, Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently stands, if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? Just Curious, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri May 22 08:10:55 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> References: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> "... The first handgun I bought was a "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop !" Hey there; sounds familiar. I was 13 and bought a .38 Webley (a British revolver) from a former cop neighbor that apparently had a few weapons that he "picked up" on his beat. He and another cop told me to never register a gun; but you can no longer buy one without registering it. Paul in California (No, I no longer have the gun) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 09:50:18 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:50:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8E0E588C-7A10-46D5-8C3E-EB54B3AC566F@me.com> Message-ID: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> Dave, The attorney's would love, I'm sure, to get you as an "expert witness".... This case will certainly be interesting. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts that he was simply "defending his home?" Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 10:02:32 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:02:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Well Dave, here in KY it is difficult at times to tell the house and barn apart! In regards to the discrimination situation, I remember a gent having his water turned off for failure to pay the bill. An ACLU attorney appeared on his behalf stating it was a clear case of discrimination against the poor. The guy's water didn't come back on though until he paid the bill! I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never been late on my rent since". Sometimes things do work out! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Hi Mike, MOST states make a distinction between your home and your barn--not sure about KY! Dave PS, Judge Turner, Could the Castle Law be found unconstitutional because it discriminates against the homeless? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 22 11:55:28 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:55:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> References: <-4111567687842714707@unknownmsgid> <8d3c36fb0905220810q3fe76baes4f8e46dfb0cc117d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A16F520.8000403@telenet.net> P. Johns wrote: > "... The first handgun I bought was a > "Throw-Down" and I bought it from, of all things, a Cop !" > > Hey there; sounds familiar. I was 13 and bought a .38 Webley (a British > revolver) from a former cop neighbor that apparently had a few weapons that > he "picked up" on his beat. He and another cop told me to never register a > gun; but you can no longer --- Legally --- buy one without registering it ---in some states---- BUT there are still many states that have no registration and all states can only run the NICS checks if your buying from an FFL. I can sell you any firearm out of my collection with no paperwork. (well not the full auto toys, because the Federal Transfer paperwork has to get filed) What you do with it after that is your problem. > > Paul in California (No, I no longer have the gun) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 22 12:00:01 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well Dave, here in KY it is difficult at times to tell the house and > barn apart! In regards to the discrimination situation, I remember a > gent having his water turned off for failure to pay the bill. An ACLU > attorney appeared on his behalf stating it was a clear case of > discrimination against the poor. The guy's water didn't come back on > though until he paid the bill! > > I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago > that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom > unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. > She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. > The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. > While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. > However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty > beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing > room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". > Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told > her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her > rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol > and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft > ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her > out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a > home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I > saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said > "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never > been late on my rent since". > > Sometimes things do work out! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an idiot... If Judges used common sense and thought things out like you seem to, the judicial system might actually work! Of course the lawyers wouldn't like that because they would lose money on appeals cases... -- Steve Williams From rotigel at me.com Fri May 22 13:41:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:41:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> <4A16F631.6050601@telenet.net> Message-ID: > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > idiot... > Steve Williams Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. Dave PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit in his courtroom! From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Fri May 22 16:54:32 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:54:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT electric trailer brakes; they're fixed! Message-ID: <00c801c9db38$a9e57ad0$fdb07070$@com> Hey guys Finally found the problem by accident. Had tried everything I could think of & finally started pulling wheels again (thought I'd had them all off multiple times) but had obviously skipped one. What was so mysterious near the end was that I could hook direct to a battery & they'd work but when I hooked them to the truck no voltage. I hooked my other trailer with electric brakes up though & they worked fine. I'd replaced one coil & it was on the wheel I apparently kept ignoring; seemed to work ok with a battery & having a new coil I never dreamed anything was wrong. The wires are held away from the spinning wheel by some clips that clip to one of the brake shoes. Apparently I scuffed the wire a bit putting the clips on as it was fried between 2 clips. I had enough good wire left coming from the coil to solder new wires to & all is now well. So it's now licensed, inspected & title transferred finally! Lew near Waco, TX From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 22 18:30:59 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Steve, Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for her van!). Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a report that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked the Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been on me for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always told them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months pregnant). She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there with a shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said they would have some good stories to tell the new little one. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > idiot... > Steve Williams Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. Dave PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit in his courtroom! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri May 22 18:55:20 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:55:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2009 9:35:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months pregnant). Tommy, That is funny. Nice to live in an area where folks know each other and can do stuff like that without complications. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From rotigel at me.com Sat May 23 04:16:58 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 07:16:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he wears. See:m http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver Dave On May 22, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes > to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for > her > van!). > > Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! > About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a > report > that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to > someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked > the > Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it > looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to > worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't > have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been > on me > for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always > told > them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll > quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months > pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there > with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said > they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > >> OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an >> idiot... >> Steve Williams > > Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. > Dave > PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit > in his courtroom! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat May 23 04:14:15 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 07:14:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > merely think someone might steal something. Tommy, Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray areas... how can that be? :-)) Take care, Mike From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 06:04:34 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:04:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> Message-ID: Dave, Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right now! Never had to "call" on it but if needed, I could! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he wears. See:m http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Re volver Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 06:19:34 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:19:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Message-ID: <8C54F734EB1A4266865F24A33D851227@tommyd0x52gkco> See the problem is Mike if I pull into the house and see someone loading up some iron I would probably consider my life was in danger..... (I certainly know there's would be!). For those of you that have been to my place you know you have to drive back a blacktop lane about 1/10 of a mile. For someone to be back there, they have intentions to pickup something. Luckily I've never lost much other than some tools. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > merely think someone might steal something. Tommy, Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray areas... how can that be? :-)) Take care, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 23 08:01:29 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:01:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Tommy: Now THAT'S funny!!!!!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 08:31 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves .....................snip...................... > Back to the shotgun, the young gent and > gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would > be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was > about 4 months pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew > him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad > standing there with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made > and the couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From edurand at mchsi.com Sat May 23 08:05:16 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:05:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tommy & Dave: I'd consider one of those for my home but I wonder if that .410 shotgun load would take off my wrist when I fired it. If useable, it would really be nice in close quarters. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 08:05 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > > Dave, > Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right > now! Never had to > "call" on it but if needed, I could! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] > On Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under > the robes that he > wears. See:m > http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details. cfm?id=199&category=Re volver Dave From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat May 23 08:47:06 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves Message-ID: <22252.96423.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tommy, Let's see...elected official....common sense....sense of humor... Nope, you definitely ain't from around THESE parts. Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > She said he's big joker.? I know of him and knew him > to be one.? So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing > there with a > shotgun on his hip.? A lot of photos were made and the > couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little > one.? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY nary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 10:08:36 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:08:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> Elden, The best one I had though was a couple that came in and asked if I could marry them immediately. I told them yes and the groom said "yeah, we need to get to the hospital because her water broke on the way here". Talk about cutting it close! I did my abbreviated ceremony and had them hitched in a couple of minutes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Tommy: Now THAT'S funny!!!!!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Judge Tommy > Turner > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 08:31 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves .....................snip...................... > Back to the shotgun, the young gent and > gal were there to be > married and the girl told me that her dad would > be along and he wanted > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was > about 4 months pregnant). > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew > him to be one. So, I > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad > standing there with a > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made > and the couple said they > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cwja at telus.net Sat May 23 11:01:28 2009 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:01:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <1002C635E24F426BADAF1B90830F9C57@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <4A1839F8.20900@telus.net> I have to jump into this discussion because it reminds me of my father who was in his time a professional photographer, the Senior Citizenship Judge of Canada, and in his retirement years was a Marriage Commissioner. Oh and by the way he played his own full church organ that he had in his house. My mother was a great cook and for a time I lived at home with them while I was qualified as a Commissioner for Oaths. Your "close call couple " reminds me of the very pregnant bride in full white gown, a groom in blue jean attire and no shoes or socks who arrived at our home at 11:00 am, told Dad they could not wait the 2 hours to get some better ID and whom we parked in our front driveway which should have had "Quick; Sooner; NOW" signs for arrivals. Dad married them , I signed a statuary declaration from their witnesses as to their age and identity, Dad whipped out his camera and took the wedding photo, strode over to the organ and played the wedding march, mother put out a spread of sandwiches and goodies , and they were gone off to where they needed to be lickidy split! BTW, thanks to the members of the list who responded to my what show to visit in eastern Canada and the States this summer. No firm plans yet but some ideas for sure. Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >Elden, > The best one I had though was a couple that came in and asked if >I could marry them immediately. I told them yes and the groom said >"yeah, we need to get to the hospital because her water broke on the way >here". Talk about cutting it close! I did my abbreviated ceremony and >had them hitched in a couple of minutes. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Sat May 23 06:16:05 2009 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:16:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> <4A17DA87.7070800@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1243084565.16589.7.camel@ralph> In many states, such as Louisiana, it is legal to use lethal force for self defense in a situation where "a reasonable person would be in fear for his life". It doesn't matter what your emotions were at the time; What is important is what a reasonable person would feel knowing what you knew at the time. People are not judged by circumstances that they were not aware of, only what they knew at the time. The Louisiana castle law goes further and states that it is reasonable for one to be in fear of his life if someone has invaded his home for any criminal intent. The laws are different in every state but similar in many. The laws are very different in other countries. Try looking at the laws in the U.k. Pete. On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 07:14 -0400, Michael Tucker wrote: > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > Mike, > > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > > you feel your life is in danger. The Castle law doesn't apply if you > > merely think someone might steal something. > > Tommy, > > Thanks for the clarification. What you wrote above is how I understood > the law but I wasn't so sure after your first comment. The law and gray > areas... how can that be? :-)) > > Take care, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Lafayette, Louisiana USA From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 17:46:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:46:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT Message-ID: Hi All Just for your interest in international relations. http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p Look through these photos sent in to ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) web site. The photos submitted over the last 24 hours from "ozengines" are mine. These photos cover the floods and coastal storm damage 200km either side of where I live over the last week. Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 18:12:26 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:12:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 10hp R&V engine for sale Message-ID: Hi all I am placing this here to give you guys a fair crack at this engine before it get national coverage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm Bottom of for sale page Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sat May 23 18:53:45 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:53:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well done Peter, great photos. was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland Kerry > > http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 19:12:35 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:12:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT References: Message-ID: <689919E8F9254959AE04D445CE758814@peterlowe> Hi Kerry All should be fine by then. Peter > well done Peter, great photos. > was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland > > Kerry >> >> http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p > AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Sat May 23 19:45:14 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 22:45:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AC40785-D2F7-45BB-ABC8-AFD5491D42CE@me.com> Elden, I have not shot the piece as yet, but understand that it's NOT as bad as my S & W .357 Air Lite SC Dave PS, If you ever have to use it (close up) your adrenaline will be so high you won't feel a thing! On May 23, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Tommy & Dave: > > I'd consider one of those for my home but I wonder if that .410 > shotgun load would take off my wrist when I fired it. > > If useable, it would really be nice in close quarters. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Judge Tommy >> Turner >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 08:05 AM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves >> >> >> Dave, >> Yup, I got one loaded in my top desk right >> now! Never had to >> "call" on it but if needed, I could! >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] >> On Behalf Of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:17 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves >> >> I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under >> the robes that he >> wears. See:m >> http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details. > cfm?id=199&category=Re > volver > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 19:59:53 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:59:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <2FB9A6FDA3174D65A565A70E650A3F9D@peterlowe> OK, to all Gurus, Sages, Engine Wizards and the like, what engine is this??? Trying to help out an R&V Register member http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mystery_engine.htm Peter, Oz From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat May 23 20:22:03 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:22:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: <2FB9A6FDA3174D65A565A70E650A3F9D@peterlowe> Message-ID: That's a model N Hercules (could have been sold under the Economy name). Its rated at 1 1/2 HP I think although I've seen a lot of people list them as 1 HP. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:00 PM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine OK, to all Gurus, Sages, Engine Wizards and the like, what engine is this??? Trying to help out an R&V Register member http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/mystery_engine.htm Peter, Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Sat May 23 21:31:52 2009 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam Grundy) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:31:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71DD0340B54D4F48B9B37C8EFBBDCA3F@CamPC> Thanks for the update Mate, are you and Kay OK. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Flood pictures to share between countries OT > well done Peter, great photos. > was coming through there week after next, may have to go inland > > Kerry >> >> http://tinyurl.com/pj6h8p > AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat May 23 22:26:37 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:26:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 Message-ID: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 23 22:52:01 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Probably low voltage Reg. 24 Volts DC Pete > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat May 23 22:57:17 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:57:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: <4A18E1BD.30902@steamengine.com.au> ! R & M Ingold wrote: > For the railway enthusiasts and electricians..... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat May 23 23:12:52 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:12:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: References: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: <4A18E564.2040601@steamengine.com.au> Having worked around trams (trolleys for you 'merikans) for a long time I don't think so. Listen to the whine of the traction motor - that sounds like a series wound high voltage DC motor. Much like the 'W' class trams. If it was low voltage you would use a rectifier or some other voltage regulator not the controller they had sticking out of the box - they're for high voltage. The insulators on the wire also suggest high voltage - with 24 volts you could use a stick as an insulator - the ceramic blocks look to be about 10cm long. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > Probably low voltage Reg. 24 Volts DC > Pete > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 24 02:48:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:48:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tractors in the flood Message-ID: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> Hi All Even in the flood the green and yellow shines out, see middle of photo. http://contribute.abc.net.au/_Levee-Wall-Boulevard-Maclean/photo/3858065/32422.html?enlarge=true Peter, Oz From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun May 24 03:57:19 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:57:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: Message-ID: <006d01c9dc5e$69779150$ebd14c0c@D48VHZ61> This thread reminds me of what the wife's uncle told me. He was glad he took the classes and got his concealed carry permit. He didn't consider it taught him anything about what he could do but rather what he could NOT do with a gun. John Hall From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 06:03:22 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:03:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10hp R&V engine for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFA9C08-FC5E-4BC6-8D42-8DA49BCC09F1@me.com> Hi Peter, If it's an auction how does "a fair crack before it get[s] national coverage" help? Dave On May 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > I am placing this here to give you guys a fair crack at this engine > before it get national coverage. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/for%20sale.htm > > Bottom of for sale page > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 07:58:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Reg: Ahh, yes.....the good 'old ay Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:27 AM > To: SEL List; slick Willie List > Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 08:06:25 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:06:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: <529B4B00C32E4BD29154E494308439DB@REG> Message-ID: Dontcha hate it when you fumble the keyboard and send an incomplete message????!!!! .......................................... Reg: Ahh, yes.....the good 'old days afore OSHA! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:27 AM > To: SEL List; slick Willie List > Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 07:19:17 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 7:19:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. Message-ID: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 07:19:12 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:19:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. Message-ID: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. J.B. Castagnos From gastzt at aol.com Sun May 24 07:23:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:23:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2009 9:05:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Elden, Just a GREAT website--GREAT work---I am your age and just getting going good with these old engines! FUN stuff! GREAT photos---and THANKS! Stan Zettner (old Stovers), Pleasanton, Texas **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322948x1201367184/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 24 07:35:08 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:35:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> References: <20090524101912.0V51J.3180216.root@mp07> Message-ID: The best thing to do is call Cat, have the model & S/N of the machine also if possible same on the engines. Cat can usually never do much for you without the S/N, on anything. Just my $.50 worth. best of luck Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:19:12 -0400 > From: jbcast at charter.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. > > Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone (on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 07:51:01 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:51:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> References: <20090524101917.6IYAC.3180219.root@mp07> Message-ID: <20090524145059.17FCC76B831A@mail07.wcoil.com> Scrap value is pretty darn low right now so below scrap value is gonna be real cheap! Mark At 10:19 AM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Several years ago I purchased some equipment from a local fertilizer >plant that closed. There were two Caterpillar forklifts, I >think one was a T50D and the other was a T60D. I sold these to a >friend, he took them and hasn't used them, offered to sell them back >to me. I ran both of them, they ran good but are pretty weather >beaten. I would like to use the engine on a generator. Does anyone >(on the list, Dave R) know if these are Cat or Perkins engines? I >remember they were 4 cylinder, aluminum head. Any idea of what HP? I >can get both for less than scrap value so I can't go wrong. >J.B. Castagnos >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 08:55:37 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Hi All, What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun May 24 09:46:46 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:46:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.com> Just look at Wall Street for integrity. I once made a deal on some equipment - over the phone - and told the guy that it was his as soon as he paid the agreed $3000. (He had a reputation of not following through) The next day I got a call from someone else who knew the equipment and offered me $4,500, I told him about the other deal and said he could have it if the other guy didn't buy. The first guy showed up and that was that. I may not be smart, but I do try my best to keep my word. Paul poor but honest in California PS: I was never in the position to steal millions like the Wall Street people do, so I haven't really been tested. From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 10:19:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:19:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <8d3c36fb0905240946p75023922o71a7ce7a8e16a8c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090524171901.578E13C06EC@mail02.wcoil.com> Hi Paul, That's the way I was taught to deal and I've always dealt. Mark At 12:46 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Just look at Wall Street for integrity. > >I once made a deal on some equipment - over the phone - and told the guy >that it was his as soon as he paid the agreed $3000. (He had a reputation of >not following through) The next day I got a call from someone else who knew >the equipment and offered me $4,500, I told him about the other deal and >said he could have it if the other guy didn't buy. The first guy showed up >and that was that. I may not be smart, but I do try my best to keep my word. > >Paul poor but honest in California > >PS: I was never in the position to steal millions like the Wall Street >people do, so I haven't really been tested. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun May 24 10:26:59 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:26:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2009 11:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Hi Mark, Sorry to hear you found an integrity impaired person as a business associate. They are out there, and, since you have been dealing for a while, your chances of finding some are good. Not long ago in Virginia I was approached by a fellow who wanted to purchase our home as we were moving. I drew up a contract which included price, amount down, and, deadlines for completion with the down payment being forfeit should the buyer not do his part in a timely fashion. He failed to be on time and then asked for the return of his down payment. I refused to give it back, telling him I would consult with my attorney as to how to proceed. My attorney told me that, unless I could prove I had been harmed, a court would instruct me to refund the down payment and that proving harm would be difficult if not impossible. In short, verbal OR written contracts are of little value. That tells me that a fast transaction is the best way to go, providing little time for either buyer's or seller's remorse. I still like the technique offered by our mutual friend, Evil Dave, where you press cold cash into the seller's hand, telling him as you do so, that it is in full payment for the item sitting before them. It is really hard for a person who wants to sell to hand back the cash simply because it might not be as much as they would like. Regards, Ron **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 10:48:48 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Mark The other fella may not have known another deal was in the works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, $800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything was fine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Hi All, What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sun May 24 12:02:44 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan: Thanks a bunch! I do it for you guys and am always glad to know that my efforts are appreciated. I take it you saw the Stover DV-2 on the site? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > gastzt at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 09:24 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: YouTube - Albanian coal mine 1995 > > > > In a message dated 5/24/2009 9:05:34 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > Elden, > Just a GREAT website--GREAT work---I am your > age and just getting going > good with these old engines! FUN stuff! GREAT > photos---and THANKS! > Stan Zettner (old Stovers), > Pleasanton, Texas From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 12:24:09 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:24:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Mark > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime that >I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give them >a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the mail >the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the details >on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might send a >check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, $800 >balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I purchased >an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me that it would >be several months before I could pick it up. He said no problem. I >told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he said not to but >I insisted and that when he got the check to please initial the memo >line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I counted out the >cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I told him that was >the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled check and showed him. >He apologized that he was wrong and everything was fine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >Hi All, > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never >interrupt a negotiation in progress. >#2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed >out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten >rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US >engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me >of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a >price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the >engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the >price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to >dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he >quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me >yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another >fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off >to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price >that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted. And that I >had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting >courtesy of a call for a second chance. > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years >now. Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a >mans word means nothing. > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating >till the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk >away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of >negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not >matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 13:15:49 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> Boy, what a jerk Mark. I had a guy call me once that had a 10 HP Mogul and an 8 HP Famous that I had been trying to buy. He asked what I would give. I told him and he said OK when do you want to come and get them? I said how about Saturday? He said OK. I drove about 2 hours and got to his place and he said to come in. We went in the house and he said "I have to get the other guy on the line". I asked what he meant and he said "the other guy that I'm trying to sell them to". When he dialed the number and the other guy answered he said "I've got an offer of X for the Mogul and Famous and wanted to see what you would give". I spoke up, loud enough that the person on the other end of the line could hear me and said "but you've already sold them to me, I made you an offer and you accepted it and now I'm here to pick them up". The person on the other end of the line recognized my voice and said he wouldn't pay as much as my offer. That night after I got home the other buyer called me and said the seller had called and said he would call him on Saturday morning to get an offer on the Mogul and Famous. He didn't know he was being placed in the middle of this scheme by the seller. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Mark > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime >that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give >them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the >mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the >details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might >send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, >$800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I >purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me >that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no >problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he >said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please >initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I >counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I >told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled >check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything >was fine. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >Hi All, > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt >a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal >is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst >the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. >Friday I was talking to a > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine >parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a >engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and >he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines >condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It >was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well >I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price >and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a >"Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. >Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I >told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had >offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. >He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second >chance. > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. >Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word >means nothing. > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till >the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if >they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in >progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would >pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 24 13:42:45 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:42:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: Mark, Reminds me of the time I had "bought" a used truck a couple of years ago. Heard about a used truck with very low mileage, so I called and went to see it. Sure enough there sat this immaculate truck in a garage, very low mileage, etc. Also in there was a nice travel trailer. I finally asked why he was getting rid of it. He answered that he did not need an expensive truck to pull his camper 50 miles down the road twice a year. We agreed on the price, shook hands, and he asked to keep it a couple of days to remove his cb radio and electric brake system. Two days later, on the evening before I was to pick it up, phone rang and he said he changed his mind and not going to sell it. I just hung up the phone, as I was not happy, and it was still his truck! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 14:01:12 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the one. And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too crooked or stupid to know why. Mark At 04:15 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >Boy, what a jerk Mark. I had a guy call me once that had a 10 HP Mogul >and an 8 HP Famous that I had been trying to buy. He asked what I would >give. I told him and he said OK when do you want to come and get them? >I said how about Saturday? He said OK. I drove about 2 hours and got >to his place and he said to come in. We went in the house and he said >"I have to get the other guy on the line". I asked what he meant and he >said "the other guy that I'm trying to sell them to". When he dialed >the number and the other guy answered he said "I've got an offer of X >for the Mogul and Famous and wanted to see what you would give". I >spoke up, loud enough that the person on the other end of the line could >hear me and said "but you've already sold them to me, I made you an >offer and you accepted it and now I'm here to pick them up". The person >on the other end of the line recognized my voice and said he wouldn't >pay as much as my offer. That night after I got home the other buyer >called me and said the seller had called and said he would call him on >Saturday morning to get an offer on the Mogul and Famous. He didn't >know he was being placed in the middle of this scheme by the seller. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Shulaw >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:24 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > >How told me about it Friday evening we agreed to price and then >Saturday morning he backed out. No time to do anything. Mark > > >At 01:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: > >Mark > > The other fella may not have known another deal was in the > >works. I'd place the majority of the blame on the seller. Anytime > >that I make a deal with someone like your deal with this person, I give > > >them a down payment. If its over the phone I drop them a check in the > >mail the next day for a portion of the purchase price and quote the > >details on the check (for example, if I buy something for $1000 I might > > >send a check for $200 and note on the "for" line "4 HP Stover engine, > >$800 balance owed". I've only had to call on this one time when I > >purchased an engine off a gent. I told him when he priced it to me > >that it would be several months before I could pick it up. He said no > >problem. I told him I was going to send him $500 down on it and he > >said not to but I insisted and that when he got the check to please > >initial the memo line in regards to our deal. When I went to get it I > >counted out the cash for the balance. He said "you're $500 short". I > >told him that was the price we agreed to. I pulled out the canceled > >check and showed him. He apologized that he was wrong and everything > >was fine. > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark > >Shulaw > >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:56 AM > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > > >Hi All, > > What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I > >came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few > >unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt > > >a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal > > >is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst > >the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. > > >Friday I was talking to a > > > >fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine > > >parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a > >engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and > >he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines > >condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It > >was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well > > >I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price > > >and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a > >"Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. > >Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I > >told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had > >offered the price I accepted. And that I had thought the deal closed. > >He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second > >chance. > > Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the > >sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they > >say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to > >integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and > >honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now. > >Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word > > >means nothing. > > Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people > >interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette > >was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till > > >the dealing fell thru then you could start to deal, Or walk away if > >they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in > > >progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would > > >pay a higher price then was being negotiated! > > What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the > >old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless? Mark > > > > > > > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > > > >Mark Shulaw > >454 Co. Rd. 33 > >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > > > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby > >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: > >05/24/09 07:09:00 > >For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. > >Mark Shulaw >454 Co. Rd. 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby >Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 14:52:02 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:52:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cat forklift question. In-Reply-To: <20090524145059.17FCC76B831A@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524175202.H2SC4.3223605.root@mp14> ---- Mark Shulaw wrote: > Scrap value is pretty darn low right now so below scrap value is > gonna be real cheap! Mark > > Both of em for $300. J.B. From marinesurveys at msn.com Sun May 24 15:42:27 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:42:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold people accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, with out it no one trusted the person. My $.50 worth Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: frappi at wcoil.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the one. > And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. > Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too > crooked or stupid to know why. > Mark > From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 16:40:31 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:40:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> You are so right, now its to hard and expensive to make someone stand up to their word because you have to sue them, that no one has any fear of welshing on a deal. Especially on relatively small deals like these. I'd like to speak this persons name in public as a welsher but I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. Even with a hand shake deal you usually needed a witness to swear it to a judge. Mark At 06:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold people >accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would >have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. >Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal >fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, >with out it no one trusted the person. > > My $.50 worth > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant >3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: frappi at wcoil.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped > that's the one. > > And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. > > Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too > > crooked or stupid to know why. > > Mark > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 16:54:50 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:54:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com><77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4E74F6277B1447D297DEB0A21F397F0E@REG> Is this not just one more symptom of the overall moral degeneration ? When you have political leaders with NO respect for the truth, if it goes against the direction they wish to go, then you will have a lot who are prepared to follow this example in their daily lives. I also agree that Dave's way, with cash, is about all that is left. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > > > > > > > > The whole problem with all this is, there are no longer laws that hold > people > accountable for their word or actions, a hundred years ago there would > have been a duel in the south, out west there would have been a shooting. > Even probably the courts would have upheld the hand shake deal > fifty years ago. Honor ment something in the community, > with out it no one trusted the person. > > My $.50 worth > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: frappi at wcoil.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette >> >> Now if ever theres a jerk that deserves to be pistol whipped that's the >> one. >> And if you would have he would have wondered what he did wrong. >> Sometimes the people that get their arses beat deserved it and are too >> crooked or stupid to know why. >> Mark >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 17:03:56 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette Message-ID: <751307.97106.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bummer when you run into someone like that. It must hurt more because you have dealt with him in the past. I used to work with a guy like that. We made a deal for me to buy a set of duel?semi tire chains at his quoted price.? I wanted to drive to his place right after work and do the deal. He just told me, "No, I will bring them tomorrow." He called someone that night and got more for the chains. Honor meant nothing to him. This was a man that would eat his lunch every day in one area just because it was a handy place to twist up a bunch of scrap wire into a tight bundle that would fit in his lunch box. ? At the 1999?Buckley, Michigan show?I ran into a man named Clarence Towne. He had a c. 1911 Cushman model 21 type X 1 1/2 hp TG engine for sale and he told me I could have it for $300. I told him I would be back within three hours because?I had to make a run to the? credit union for the money.? He said the engine was mine. I was back there with the cash in just under two hours and there were two guys looking at it.? ?I went to hand Clarence the $300 and one of them pushed my hand away and told Clarence he would pay $600 for the engine. Clarence said, "No, and the engine is his for $300." Then the other guy pulled out a wad and counted out $600. He held out $300 to Clarence and said, "For the engine." He held out $300 towards me and said, "Take it and walk away." ? I just laughed, pushed his hand away and handed my $300 to Clarence. I told those guys that new money comes around all the time but they aren't making these engines any longer. ? It was really a sad day when Clarence died several years later. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:55 AM Hi All, ? What ever happened to a little trading or dealing etiquette? When I came into the engine hobby back in the late 70s there was a few unwritten rules that everyone seemed to follow. #1 was, Never interrupt a negotiation in progress. #2 If a price is mutually agreed to the deal is done, neither backed out both honored the deal. These were amongst the top of the unwritten rules. Heres what set this question in motion. Friday I was talking to a fellow that I buy engines from occasionally (Nationally known US engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) and he told me of a engine he got the other day, It was for sale. I asked for a price and he quoted and after a few minutes of discussion of the engines condition I accepted the offer he made without dickering the price. It was a fair price and when a price is fair I do not like to dicker. Well I got the rug yanked out from under me. Remember he quoted me the price and I accepted that price. Then he called me yesterday to say he got a "Better offer then Mine" from another fellow and he accepted it. Needless to say I was a little browned off to say the least. First I told him was I had not offered the price that was agreed to, He had offered the price I accepted.? And that I had thought the deal closed. He didn't even give me the insulting courtesy of a call for a second chance. ? Now when I offer someone a price and they accept it, that's it the sale is complete pending payment in a reasonable time period as they say. I do not yank the rug out from under them. What ever happened to integrity in engine dealing? Is everyone just throwing their word and honor out the window now? Its been getting worse for a few years now.? Its almost like there is no honor in dealing any more. Like a mans word means nothing. ? Also these last few years theres a growing problem of people interrupting a deal in progress to butt in. Used to be the etiquette was if two people were dealing you stayed out of their negotiating till the dealing fell thru? then you could start to deal,? Or walk away if they come to terms. YOU NEVER BUTTED INTO the middle of negotiations in progress! The other fellow was there first. Did not matter if you would pay a higher price then was being negotiated! ? What's the matter, Am I wrong now a days. Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity out the window and go ruthless?? ? Mark For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site???www.Maytagclub.com? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 24 17:15:41 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:15:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> On May 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity > out the window and go ruthless? Mark An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the actions of others. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 18:42:00 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Hi All, > (Nationally known US > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > Mark Shulaw AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 18:47:37 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:47:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be > wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. > Mark I think you need to consult a lawyer as to the definition of "slander!" Dave PA, Anyone can sue ANYONE for ANYONE for ANY reason they want! From obise at moscow.com Sun May 24 19:01:34 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:01:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> Rob, that is a profound statement. Truly. I'm adding it to my list of quotations. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the actions of others. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun May 24 19:38:16 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust Message-ID: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick and brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for any ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun May 24 20:02:51 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans Message-ID: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to this GREAT country ! So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they choose ! Thank you. Kevin Mosier 2598 Eddycreek Eddyville, KY 42038 From jbcast at charter.net Sun May 24 20:07:51 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust In-Reply-To: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20090524230751.8X51W.3200894.root@mp07> ---- Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust > removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for > light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water > jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large > windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick and > brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for any > ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > Jim, go to the site below and see what George Coates does with heat. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/91556.html#POST16229 J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 20:41:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:41:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <98B1D8D1B9C243D49AFB735561520A6A@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, On May 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if > you feel your life is in danger. Has anyone EVERV gone before your court after shooting someone dead and pleaded the they really were NOT in fear of thrir life? Dave > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home > is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun May 24 20:25:05 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:25:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> Message-ID: <9F05E4D77A734AEEBD3F962ECE301AF7@FAMILYROOM> YES !! ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi All, >> (Nationally known US >> engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) >> Mark Shulaw > > AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON > YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun May 24 20:44:39 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:44:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <3A20F660ACBD4AFD8BF771ACD1E1E311@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Please tell him/her/it that I'm availiable==PhD and all! Dave On May 22, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > The attorney's would love, I'm sure, to get you as an "expert > witness".... This case will certainly be interesting. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Hi Mr Judge, If it can be proven that the guy was into necophillia > will this be a determining factor in the case, or only raise doubts > that he was simply "defending his home?" > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 24 20:44:10 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:44:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090524233952.0c81cc80@ncweb.com> By not naming the person, all list members have probably made a guess as to who it is. Thus possibly many innocent persons are being unfairly placed under suspicion. It's probably better to name the person and clear the others. Dave Merchant At 09:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi All, > > (Nationally known US > > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > > Mark Shulaw > >AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON >YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 24 20:48:39 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:48:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave, You'd be surprised at people's reasoning for doing the things they do. I remember when one gent shot another in the head. Luckily it didn't kill the other guy (in fact, it never even knocked him out). When asked why he pulled the trigger (both were very intoxicated at the time) he said "well, we were talking about which one of us was a better shot and he told me I couldn't hit the side of a barn from 50 feet, so, I took about 20 paces from him and proved that I could". The biggest "fear" involved here came from a bottle! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves Hi Tommy, On May 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Mike, > The Castle law states you have the right to use deadly force if you > feel your life is in danger. Has anyone EVERV gone before your court after shooting someone dead and pleaded the they really were NOT in fear of thrir life? Dave > > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> You're correct Steve. Its referred to as the "Castle Law" (your home > is >> you Castle and you have the right to defend it). > > Judge Turner, > > Are you saying that according to the Castle Law, as it currently > stands, > > if someone is stealing stuff from your house you can use deadly force > against them even if they do not directly threaten you? If so, does > that include if they are stealing stuff from your barn? > > Just Curious, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sun May 24 21:00:13 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:00:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <03CB21F3-2D23-4054-A630-CEC28342810F@me.com> References: <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> <869889BA713F48988A8CF81C7DF2E118@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090524235857.0c81fc70@ncweb.com> The bigger version... http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver Dave At 07:16 AM 5/23/2009, you wrote: >I've often wondered what a judge has hidden under the robes that he >wears. See:m >http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver > Dave > >On May 22, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > Steve, > > Of course my wife still thinks I am... (especially when it comes > > to buying an old hunk of iron and paying more for it that I did for > > her > > van!). > > > > Dave, you'd be surprised at what you see around the courthouse! > > About a week ago the Sheriff called and said he had just gotten a > > report > > that a guy was standing at the back with a shotgun and he commented to > > someone as they walked in he was going to see Judge Turner. I asked > > the > > Sheriff did the gent have anyone with him and the Sheriff said yes, it > > looked like a young couple to be married. I told the Sheriff not to > > worry about it. My courthouse is one of the few in KY that you don't > > have to walk through metal detectors to enter. The State has been > > on me > > for the last dozen years or so to do it but I refuse. I've always > > told > > them that if I'm ever afraid to face the public that elects me, I'll > > quit. Back to the shotgun, the young gent and gal were there to be > > married and the girl told me that her dad would be along and he wanted > > to make it truly a "shotgun wedding" (she was about 4 months > > pregnant). > > She said he's big joker. I know of him and knew him to be one. So, I > > performed a wedding in the courtroom with her dad standing there > > with a > > shotgun on his hip. A lot of photos were made and the couple said > > they > > would have some good stories to tell the new little one. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David > > Rotigel > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:42 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > > > > >> OK, I'll take back my thought that every Judge I ever met was an > >> idiot... > >> Steve Williams > > > > Someday I hope that you can meet THE JUDGE from Magnolia, KY. > > Dave > > PS, Hell, I may just take up smoking again (for one day) just to sit > > in his courtroom! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun May 24 22:03:55 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:03:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thieves References: <2333B4C7D6B0417FB6E2E58A2C19D153@tommydk7hxjr4h><4A1694B5.90900@windstream.net> <052220091403.1119.4A16B098000827A50000045F22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net> Message-ID: <004b01c9dcf6$34f55a50$83674b47@mikecomp> I watched the whole series and found it eye-opening. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thieves > > On a highly related subject , if you are in a situation in the US, were in > your opinion it becomes necessary to shot someone, you will no doubt be > "invited" to talk to an officer of the law. Well worth anyones watching > is part 1 of a law professor's lecture "never talk to the police" [you > might have to copy and paste this, or search youtube.com with the words > "never" and "police"]. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVq6N0xAEEM > > Note: Part 2 is good also. Part 2 link appears at end of part 1. > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 22:18:42 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust References: <20090525023814.D25BB44482E@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6B2C3040BEBE4F9EBEB8F40536A11CFE@REG> An idea to consider. There was an inboard made here in Oz that had a copper 'dome' waterjacket fitted as standard.(Cant recall the name) It was held in place by a retaining nut. The spark plug in the centre was in a sort of short tube as part of the inner cylinder. The nut screwed down on this. Could be a way out as there wont be the stress from welds. If it is real bad, Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust > Hi, I could use some help . There has been several discussions on rust > removal over the years. Some worked better than others but all were for > light coatings of fresh water rust. I have a marine engine with the water > jackets splitting and falling off the cylinders. Short of sawing large > windows in the remaining jackets and chiseling the black rust,1/2" thick > and > brazing/welding the windows back up,are there other remedies? Thanks for > any > ideas. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun May 24 22:23:01 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:23:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans References: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: The slopes wont take your 'freedom'. Your Pollies will!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "John McCain" ; "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to >this GREAT country ! > So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they > choose ! > > Thank you. > > Kevin Mosier > 2598 Eddycreek > Eddyville, KY 42038 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:15:28 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:15:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <225E2698-48B3-4D4E-BA65-531459A8CE76@me.com> Message-ID: <20090525061526.4B05C1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Not with the concerns these days of the arse suing for slander which I can not afford to defend against. Mark At 09:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > Hi All, > > (Nationally known US > > engine parts dealer fellow who shall remain nameless) > > Mark Shulaw > >AND WHEN YOU KEEP THE NAME UNKOWN IT SHALL CONTINUE! SHAME ON >YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:19:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:19:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20090524192407.41E601475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> <77114966C2CF496B93E1B40F761A2700@tommydk7hxjr4h> <20090524210110.D00763C071D@mail02.wcoil.com> <20090524234029.18E3E1475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090525061901.2792B3C0310@mail02.wcoil.com> I may be overly concerned with this worry but who knows now a days. I think all I should do is drop it and deal with the fellow no more. But let him know why I will not deal with him any more or offer him anything I get that he might want. Mark At 09:47 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > I have no proof, no witnesses to back up what I say, so I would be > > wide open to a slander suit if they so choose to do so. > > Mark > >I think you need to consult a lawyer as to the definition of "slander!" > Dave >PA, Anyone can sue ANYONE for ANYONE for ANY reason they want! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Sun May 24 23:20:03 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:20:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> References: <20090524155535.E287B76B833F@mail07.wcoil.com> <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090525062000.D60923C0310@mail02.wcoil.com> You are absolutely correct. Thank You, Mark At 08:15 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >On May 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Do I need to throw the old unwritten rules-integrity > > out the window and go ruthless? Mark > >An upstanding man would not calibrate his moral compass based upon the >actions of others. > >Rob Skinner >Antique Stationary Engines >La Habra, California > >rob at rustyiron.com >www.rustyiron.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: >05/24/09 07:09:00 For those passed we remember this Memorial Day. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 25 00:41:09 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:41:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> References: <66E512F7558D437EB7DF3B522CC9F630@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <30ED1141D978424CB21D6EC0EEFD5C40@KerryPC> All free thinking people from the whole free world should thank all the current and past USA Armed Forces for their deeds in helping to give us the life style we enjoy. My thanks to. We must not let the PC mob to sanitize what has happened in the past in teaching our young. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz Lest we forget to our American friends >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed forces for your service to >this GREAT country ! > So that we can live our lives free of oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > all have to continue our old iron search and collection, without the fear > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with ak47s. And taking what they > choose ! > From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Mon May 25 05:01:13 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets Message-ID: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Let us all be thankful for the brave men and women who have paid the price for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second thought all too often. Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank you so very much for your service to your country and freedom loving people everywhere. Thank you, have a good day. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 05:30:43 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:30:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets In-Reply-To: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Message-ID: <8A72AF8E22A04BECB1F84995938B3AA9@tommydk7hxjr4h> Amen to your comments Arthur. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ArthurDeana Southwell Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:01 AM To: ATIS-SEL Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets Let us all be thankful for the brave men and women who have paid the price for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second thought all too often. Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank you so very much for your service to your country and freedom loving people everywhere. Thank you, have a good day. Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 25 06:48:50 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:48:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reg: I couldn'ta said it any better! Every time I see a soldier, I silently thank them for my freedom. Take care - Elden (Vietnam-era veteran) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of R & M > Ingold > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:23 AM > To: slick Willie List; The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans > > > The slopes wont take your 'freedom'. > Your Pollies will!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "John McCain" ; "The SEL > email discussion list" > ; > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans > > > >I want to THANK all the Veterans of USA Armed > forces for your service to > >this GREAT country ! > > So that we can live our lives free of > oppression, and the FREEDOM that we > > all have to continue our old iron search and > collection, without the fear > > of a jeep full of slopeheads pulling up with > ak47s. And taking what they > > choose ! > > > > Thank you. > > > > Kevin Mosier From edurand at mchsi.com Mon May 25 06:50:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets In-Reply-To: <6D301DFB0F674729AE3674AC14A0D104@LapTop> Message-ID: Thanks, Art! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of ArthurDeana > Southwell > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 07:01 AM > To: ATIS-SEL > Subject: [SEL] Thank you Vets > > > > Let us all be thankful for the brave men and > women who have paid the price > for the freedoms we enjoy with hardly a second > thought all too often. > > Too all my brothers and sisters in arms ; Thank > you so very much for your > service to your country and freedom loving people > everywhere. > > Thank you, have a good day. > > > > > > Arthur Southwell From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 25 06:21:30 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:21:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> Message-ID: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will help point us in the right direction? PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? regards Russell From kimmell at verizon.net Mon May 25 07:05:52 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:05:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I've sold cars on Ebay before and a couple people have used DAS Auto Shippers to ship their cars. I didn't pay for the shipment, so I don't know about their prices, but the buyers seemed to be well pleased. -Tony At 08:21 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car >transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny >in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will >help point us in the right direction? >PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? From george at irontrader.com Mon May 25 07:23:33 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:23:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Thank you all Veterans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c9dd44$630a3de0$291eb9a0$@com> I was in the Air Force from 1967 to 1973 but never went to Viet Nam. Was lucky to have stayed in the States most of it and a few of those years in Germany. This morning another veteran friend and I are going out for breakfast. The local "Black Bear Diner" gives a free meal to any veteran on Memorial Day and Veterans Day. It's the only business I know of that actually does something tangible to show thanks. George Ps... only two more days till I head for Europe again! EHOWT09 is coming fast!! From Frank at lbpinc.com Mon May 25 08:39:38 2009 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> References: <89C71086-A5FA-4A1C-A4ED-21604A8C6446@rustyiron.com> <20090525020211.57F7E678512@secure.fsr.com> Message-ID: <20090525153944.1025457DD1@gw1.nlenet.net> I had a deal on a used car. Went to pick it up and the guy called someone to see if he could get more. I told him that I had just learned he was not a man of his word and I no longer trusted anything he had said about the car. Then I walked. The other guy didn't buy either. Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon May 25 10:46:51 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Theives Message-ID: <96423924E3C94AC898B0A242F44D0A95@FAMILYROOM> We had some crack heads living down the road from us. And a meth manufacturer - dealer in 1/2 mile, both at the same time. They are in prison now and much better people bought the properties since then. After loosing a mig welder, air compressor and lots of USA tools. Idiots even unbolted the carb off the 560 and took it to. So I went to the county atty to see what my option`s were. He said that in kaintukie ( KY ) we just as well have a welcome mat as any NO TRESPASSING signs. That I would have to catch them red handed, and hold them while waiting 1/2 to 1 hour for the law to get out here. We live way out of town in a very rural community. We have not missed anything other than a couple 5 gal safety cans full of gas during the ice storm. And I guess that was my fault for leaving the garage open 24/7 For easy access to gas for the gennys we had to run for 27 days of no electric. Tommy, is this really the way it is ? Or was the County ATTY just brushing us off ? I even went to the Sherrif after the Husky saw come up missing, along with the farmer up the road that had his Sthil saw and mantis tiller , weedeaters stolen the same night. We had info that our property was at the local bootleggers. So the Sheriff went and found the other guys stuff there, he told who had brought the things to him for beer. Never found none of the things we had stolen. Allthough I heard though the grapevine that the Miller was traded for 2 - 12 packs of Bush beer. Now we have some cameras to vcr and beeper alerts. Main problem is the shop is across and down the road a little, and time I get up and down there middle of night. Yall know how it is and I think it may start happening again way things are going. Kevin Mosier Eddyville, KY From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon May 25 12:25:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:25:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette > >Hi Paul, > That's the way I was taught to deal and I've always dealt. >Mark. Howdy Mark, Same here! I was always told that a mans word is his bond. Like a handshake (the British kind - not the one that those football stars use :-)). I've got into this thread a bit late but have been following it. I cannot comment on your bad experience - but do agree that a name should be mentioned but your "American" laws make that dangerous for the victim. I'm "old school" and believe that "Men" should keep their word. (Sorry Gals on the list - no harm intended to you). I run my own small business and it does occasionally happen that I will quote an incorrect price (more often than not in the customers favour). What I've often come across is that a competitor doing the same will go ahead and accept the order and then invoice for a greater amount. He will then "argue the point" and usually get what he wants. I DO NOT work that way - if I quote a price I will stick to it (even if I'm losing on the deal). (My word is my bond - as my Dad taught me.) Yes, I will tell the customer that I made a mistake and reserve the right to "requote" on the next job but on this job I will only charge him what I quoted. Fortunately I do not make too many mistakes like this :-). Jerry. P.S. If my mistake is in my favour and the customer still places the order then "I rub my hands in glee" ! From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 13:17:30 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Theives In-Reply-To: <96423924E3C94AC898B0A242F44D0A95@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: Kevin, There is trespassing statutes in KY that makes trespassing a criminal offense. It can be criminal trespass in the first, second or third degree. For our old iron purposes, second and third degree criminal trespass would apply. If you have your old iron sitting behind a barn (or even just beside the road on your property for that matter) and someone is there monkeying with it, they can be held for criminal trespass in the third degree. Here is the statute in regards to it: 511.080 Criminal trespass in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. If they have to cross a fence or go into a shed, then they can be held for criminal trespass in the second degree. Here is the statute on it: 511.070 Criminal trespass in the second degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon premises as to which notice against trespass is given by fencing or other enclosure. Nothing in the law says the property has to be posted for the the above statutes to apply although it would be a good idea to do so. In regards to your county atty. And his response, I wouldn't want to say he is totally incorrect. You can't charge someone with a misdemeanor offense in KY unless that person is seen in the act committing the offense. They can't be charged because some "thinks" they broke the law. If you, or someone, actually sees the person on your property and is willing to sign a sworn statement to that effect, then something can be done. There is exclusions to the trespassing statutes. They include allowing government employees to enter personal property for certain reasons and allowing land surveyors, when surveying adjoining property, to enter other properties necessary to perform the survey. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of oldiron62 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Theives We had some crack heads living down the road from us. And a meth manufacturer - dealer in 1/2 mile, both at the same time. They are in prison now and much better people bought the properties since then. After loosing a mig welder, air compressor and lots of USA tools. Idiots even unbolted the carb off the 560 and took it to. So I went to the county atty to see what my option`s were. He said that in kaintukie ( KY ) we just as well have a welcome mat as any NO TRESPASSING signs. That I would have to catch them red handed, and hold them while waiting 1/2 to 1 hour for the law to get out here. We live way out of town in a very rural community. We have not missed anything other than a couple 5 gal safety cans full of gas during the ice storm. And I guess that was my fault for leaving the garage open 24/7 For easy access to gas for the gennys we had to run for 27 days of no electric. Tommy, is this really the way it is ? Or was the County ATTY just brushing us off ? I even went to the Sherrif after the Husky saw come up missing, along with the farmer up the road that had his Sthil saw and mantis tiller , weedeaters stolen the same night. We had info that our property was at the local bootleggers. So the Sheriff went and found the other guys stuff there, he told who had brought the things to him for beer. Never found none of the things we had stolen. Allthough I heard though the grapevine that the Miller was traded for 2 - 12 packs of Bush beer. Now we have some cameras to vcr and beeper alerts. Main problem is the shop is across and down the road a little, and time I get up and down there middle of night. Yall know how it is and I think it may start happening again way things are going. Kevin Mosier Eddyville, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 13:21:44 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:21:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> My dad once told me "if you tell somebody you're going to do something, do it even if it takes the hide off of 'ya". That's what I've always tried to do. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY I DO NOT work that way - if I quote a price I will stick to it (even if I'm losing on the deal). (My word is my bond - as my Dad taught me.) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 25 15:51:35 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:51:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Salt water rust Message-ID: <20090525225132.2F70665B4C0@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks Reg and JB. For the suggestions. The Baker marine engine was in the same condition as my Peters Machine Co. Builders two cylinder inboard. Mr. George Coates does REAL nice work. Thanks again Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 25 16:09:03 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:09:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless Message-ID: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon May 25 16:49:50 2009 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:49:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Theives References: Message-ID: <9CD857CAFF2B4B6582A494639F9297C2@FAMILYROOM> Tommy, thank you for the definition of KY law on this. Also I want to make sure that you know. The Lyon Co. atty that said this to me has been voted out at the last election. No wonder, he does have a private office still in town. Kevin Mosier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Theives > Kevin, > There is trespassing statutes in KY that makes trespassing a > criminal offense. > It can be criminal trespass in the first, second or third degree. For > our old iron purposes, second and third degree criminal trespass would > apply. If you have your old iron sitting behind a barn (or even just > beside the road on your property for that matter) and someone is there > monkeying with it, they can be held for criminal trespass in the third > degree. Here is the statute in regards to it: > > 511.080 Criminal trespass in the third degree. > (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he > knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises. > > If they have to cross a fence or go into a shed, then they can > be held for criminal trespass in the second degree. Here is the statute > on it: > > 511.070 Criminal trespass in the second degree. > (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when he > knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building or upon premises as > to which notice against trespass is given by fencing or other enclosure. > > Nothing in the law says the property has to be posted for the > the above statutes to apply although it would be a good idea to do so. > In regards to your county atty. And his response, I wouldn't want to say > he is totally incorrect. You can't charge someone with a misdemeanor > offense in KY unless that person is seen in the act committing the > offense. They can't be charged because some "thinks" they broke the > law. If you, or someone, actually sees the person on your property and > is willing to sign a sworn statement to that effect, then something can > be done. > > There is exclusions to the trespassing statutes. They include > allowing government employees to enter personal property for certain > reasons and allowing land surveyors, when surveying adjoining property, > to enter other properties necessary to perform the survey. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 25 17:07:45 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:07:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> Jimmy, They work identical to the McVickers engine. The design is a bit different but the principal is the same. Steve Royster has a very nice 1 HP McVickers that runs like a watch. He might provide some insight. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:09 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon May 25 19:15:52 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:15:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <20090525230901.7E41C4054CF@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <94DBBB8597594BD183D3FF7D0EC32504@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will send me your address. Steve > From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:07:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Jimmy, > They work identical to the McVickers engine. The design is a > bit different but the principal is the same. Steve Royster has a very > nice 1 HP McVickers that runs like a watch. He might provide some > insight. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim > O'Hagan > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:09 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Hello, I'm trying to help out a friend that purchased a basket case St. > Marys 4 horse "gearless" hopper cooled engine. I don't completely > understand how it functions but somehow a portion of the compression > pressure opens the exhaust valve. If anyone has a manual or close up > photos "I'd pass them on to him. I 'd like to see it run. Thanks Jimmy > O'Hagan, 415 892 0236,,Novato Ca. > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:03:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:03:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Dealing Etiquette In-Reply-To: <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090525204631.028499a8@mail.atech.co.za> <9889B56FE3464601BBDD4CC62C5D30AC@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <6f6025160905260303v32f88a01kd3319c45ef953526@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/25 Judge Tommy Turner : > My dad once told me "if you tell somebody you're going to do something, > do it even if it takes the hide off of 'ya". That's what I've always > tried to do. > > Tommy Turner Quite right, and something that we try and aspire to in our dealings with the wider world. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue May 26 03:09:27 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:09:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <052620091009.10726.4A1BBFD700029E89000029E6223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Russell, A year ago we had our 52 Hudson Wasp hauled by a good company out of MO. They are bonded, insured and do excellent work on taking care of your car from pick up to delivery. Contact me off list. Curt Andree -------------- Original message from Russell Gilbert : -------------- > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > help point us in the right direction? > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:18:29 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:18:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bodgers Message-ID: <6f6025160905260318q2e6aeca3p3231205fe5a667c5@mail.gmail.com> A subject that I started on our own little engine forum in the UK, but I was surprised at how little understanding there seemed to exist over the requirements for restoration of an engine, not the paintwork, just the basic mechanical parts. Up until the weekend I had spent nearly 24 hours working on an engine to take to Nuenen to put up for sale. It was bought last year sometime and had been parked up at the factory, but with the rally getting closer, we pulled it out and started to sort any obvious problems as we did not want to sell it as in running condition, if it wasn't. What should have been 4 or 5 hours pleasant time spent playing with the spanners turned out to be a catalogue of bodges, no other word, and the further we got into it, the more we found. Saturday at 3pm I had to return home as we had both been hit with Gastric Flu and were feeling pretty rough, but by then we had straightened out most of the obvious stuff, cannabalised some parts of another non-runner and bought fuel fittings to get a working petrol feed. The worst bit was a cast-ali fuel tank bracket, which had been 'repaired' with a bit of steel, some bolts and some Araldite or body filler, then, as the bolts were proud of the base of the bracket, they has shovelled more filler on to try and get it to sit squarely on the engine. It was almost a parts engine at one point, but we have worked through the list of bits and pieces, and although today is our first full day back on our feet, we hope to have it all done in time for the Ferry on Friday morning. Surely people realise that we need to keep our toys in working order for future generations of engine owners? surely Dave R isn't going to have his Austral and Galloway buried with him when he goes ? :-)) Actually, Dave's standards I have no problem with, or any of the List guys for that matter. Peter (Living on Lucozade at present) -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:28:40 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:28:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of doing? I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 26 03:30:15 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:30:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160905260330i43bc0e35scd92abb355e7bfc2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/26 Listerdiesel : > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nov07USA/PimaMenu5.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 26 04:11:01 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:11:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <0KK700411DTWRE00@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090526111056.B43E619864D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Thanks Tony, I will look into it. Russell At 12:05 AM 26/05/2009, you wrote: >I've sold cars on Ebay before and a couple people have used DAS Auto >Shippers to ship their cars. I didn't pay for the shipment, so I >don't know about their prices, but the buyers seemed to be well pleased. > >-Tony > > >At 08:21 AM 5/25/2009, you wrote: > >Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > >transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > >in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > >help point us in the right direction? > >PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Tue May 26 04:44:33 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:44:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201c9ddf7$57594aa0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I would buy the old William Tod plant in Youngstown and move the Tod Engine back to its birthplace. Pour a massive concrete foundation, set it up to run and plumb into the high pressure steam mains in the city and run the engine at full rated RPMs. I've already had that daydream! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of doing? I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue May 26 07:03:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:03:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> Hi Russ, Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. Myers, FL to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or 303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good service, on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. Dave On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > help point us in the right direction? > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > regards Russell From rob at rustyiron.com Tue May 26 07:09:18 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:09:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 26, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. Hi, Peter. I've experienced the same lust for old aircraft. But instinct tells me that truckloads of money can't buy skill, and jumping into the cockpit of an old warbird without any of the latter is a good way to ruin an irreplaceable piece of history and put an end to my days of breathing. Nevertheless, I'll continue to fantasize. A couple weeks ago we attended an airshow near here. There were a couple B-25s present. My favorite was owned by three old dudes, who of whom piloted her that day. An YES, they've flown their plane off a carrier. I got to crawl around in another Mitchell, and it kind of tarnished my fantasy. "Plush" is probably not a word you would use to describe it. Maybe "hideously cramped" is more accurate. To reach the nose gunner's position, you need to scoot on your belly. Crawling is not an option. If you needed to move between fore and aft during flight, you had to scoot through another tunnel above the bomb bay. I can't imagine how the stewardesses serve drinks to the pilot without spilling any. Here are a couple pictures: http://tinyurl.com/pt4v74 Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From falcon at telenet.net Tue May 26 07:50:16 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1C01A8.9000902@telenet.net> Rob Skinner wrote: > On May 26, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! >> ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I >> thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it >> restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > > > > Hi, Peter. > > I've experienced the same lust for old aircraft. But instinct tells > me that truckloads of money can't buy skill, and jumping into the > cockpit of an old warbird without any of the latter is a good way to > ruin an irreplaceable piece of history and put an end to my days of > breathing. Nevertheless, I'll continue to fantasize. > > A couple weeks ago we attended an airshow near here. There were a > couple B-25s present. My favorite was owned by three old dudes, who > of whom piloted her that day. An YES, they've flown their plane off a > carrier. I got to crawl around in another Mitchell, and it kind of > tarnished my fantasy. "Plush" is probably not a word you would use to > describe it. Maybe "hideously cramped" is more accurate. To reach the > nose gunner's position, you need to scoot on your belly. Crawling is > not an option. If you needed to move between fore and aft during > flight, you had to scoot through another tunnel above the bomb bay. I > can't imagine how the stewardesses serve drinks to the pilot without > spilling any. Here are a couple pictures: http://tinyurl.com/pt4v74 > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com Yeah, most of the real aircraft used to fight are not very roomy or well appointed. Even modern military craft are not designed for comfort. They just cram every space full of gear and try to keep a small path open for a human being. You want a fun experience, try sleeping in a rack on a sub. You actually have less room than in a coffin! And if your in a hot bunk you will be swapping in/out with other men. Lot's of fun. How about the Infamous ball turret? There is a nightmare for anyone. -- Steve Williams From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue May 26 08:07:42 2009 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:07:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: Hi List, Yes, as an old bubble head, I agree about the sleeping arrangements on fleet type diesel submarines (USS Toro - SS422 & USS Argonaut - SS475). Thank goodness, I never had to hot bunk. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 5/26/2009 7:55:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, falcon at telenet.net writes: You want a fun experience, try sleeping in a rack on a sub. You actually have less room than in a coffin! And if your in a hot bunk you will be swapping in/out with other men. Lot's of fun. **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 26 08:46:40 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Thieves In-Reply-To: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <1F9754E7BF044874913DCD8B594B8549@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <59362.168.215.206.73.1243352800.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tommy, Excellent solution. This Sir, is why you keep getting reelected! Curt Holland > I had an eviction hearing for the local HUD development a few years ago > that was somewhat similar. The rent ($40 I think for a two bedroom > unit) hadn't been paid and she had been issued a notice of eviction. > She appealed stating she was too poor to pay the rent and it came to me. > The first thing I did was ask if I could visit her home. She said yes. > While it was a bit cluttered it wasn't dirty and overall was nice. > However, I spotted 3 packs of cigarettes and probably a half dozen empty > beer cans in the trash. I told them we would return to the hearing > room. I asked her who the cigarettes belonged to and she said "me". > Then I asked who the beer cans belonged to and she said "me". I told > her I would issue an order giving her one month to catch up on her > rent. During the time she was not to purchase any cigarettes or alcohol > and those dollars were to apply to the rent (I was treading on soft > ground a bit here but what the heck). I'd have no problem booting her > out but she had 3 small children under 10 and I wanted them to have a > home. I checked in a month later and she had caught up on the rent. I > saw her in town a couple of years later and she came up to me and said > "I want to say thank you, I quit smoking, quit drinking, and I've never > been late on my rent since". > > Sometimes things do work out! From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 26 15:15:39 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:15:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> Message-ID: <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Hey Dave, thanks for the heads up! Mate I rang the first phone number and interrupted some guy having a mid afternoon matinay! Was a humorous response from a non business number. I rang the next number and it is a fax number :-) I chickened out on the last one; might be your mistress phone number! regards Russ At 12:03 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Russ, > Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. > Myers, FL >to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio >Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or >303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good service, >on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. > Dave > >On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > > > Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car > > transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny > > in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will > > help point us in the right direction? > > PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? > > > > regards Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue May 26 17:21:02 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:21:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and > sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. > > It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, > that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of > doing? > > I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a > year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) > > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, > but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes > each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never > know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. > > Peter > From gastzt at aol.com Tue May 26 17:25:34 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:25:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: NICE PICS--and thanks! That P-47 must have a BIG thick crankshaft for that BIG prop! ha Stan Zettner (old stovers) Pleasanton, Tx **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From james.kangas at timken.com Tue May 26 18:43:17 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:43:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: I'd try to buy back my mis-spent youth.That would make it a salvage job for sure Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Al Harris Sent: Tue 5/26/2009 8:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and > sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. > > It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, > that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of > doing? > > I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a > year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) > > Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! > ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I > thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it > restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. > Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, > but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes > each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never > know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue May 26 19:28:51 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160905260328x338c1696wd51113bf71aa2def@mail.gmail.com> <4A1C876E.8020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <4A1CA563.9070809@rustic-engines.com> Does US$1.5M sound alright for an exorcism. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'd try to buy back my mis-spent youth.That would make it a salvage job for sure > Jim K. > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Al Harris > Sent: Tue 5/26/2009 8:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming > > > > Live where we live, live the way we live, look after ourselves better > medically (affordability), do meaningful charity work (mainly locally, > but then....) and get the damn parts for the FMZ no matter what. :-) > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > >> Lying in bed for nearly 3 days give you a lot of time to think, and >> sometimes daydream, in between trips to the 'small room'. >> >> It occurred to me that if someone, one of us, had a sudden windfall, >> that made them comfortably well off, what project would they think of >> doing? >> >> I assume that family and friends are taken care of, and you have a >> year and a million dollars to spend (could be more or less) >> >> Thinking back to our trip to Phoenix last year, ( sorry, it was 2007! >> ) I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I >> thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it >> restored properly, and then get my pilot's licence while over there. >> Probably take more than a million dollars, more like a million pounds, >> but with the Euromillions Lottery producing ?11 million jackpot prizes >> each week, with a recent world record ?108 million jackpot, you never >> know, and it passes an otherwise pretty miserable time. >> >> Peter >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. 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Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rotigel at me.com Wed May 27 06:49:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:49:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: need advice on US car shipping company In-Reply-To: <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> References: <81B9F07540A8475A895F390D2FFEE955@peterlowe> <20090525132126.7E4BB198514@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> <3FE96505-9F2C-4CB7-9BE8-572B67BCF1DB@me.com> <20090526221534.94E3530C05D@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <143AB311-588B-4CF2-B005-E88CBD5045B1@me.com> MY BAD Russ, Try: 1-877-652-9154 or 330-652-4142 or 330-652-9150. FAX is 330-652-9160. I usually don't make those kinds of mistakes until later at night! Dave On May 26, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Hey Dave, thanks for the heads up! Mate I rang the first phone number > and interrupted some guy having a mid afternoon matinay! Was a > humorous response from a non business number. I rang the next number > and it is a fax number :-) I chickened out on the last one; might be > your mistress phone number! > > regards Russ > > At 12:03 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Russ, >> Several years ago my son (Dan) had his M-B shipped from Ft. >> Myers, FL >> to me here in PA--about a 1,200 mile trip. He used Champion Of Ohio >> Inc. 4 water street, Niles Ohio (phone # 1-877-652-1954 or >> 303-652-4142, FAX 330-652-9160.) The cost was $US525.00. Good >> service, >> on time for pick up and delivery and insured, bonded, etc. etc. >> Dave >> >> On May 25, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: >> >>> Hi all, I am after some advice from anyone in the know on a good car >>> transporting company in the US. We want to move a car from Macclenny >>> in Florida to Stanton in LA. Maybe there are a few car nuts who will >>> help point us in the right direction? >>> PS: do any list members live near Macclenny?? >>> >>> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 27 08:29:53 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. Thanks and take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > send me your address. Steve From rotigel at me.com Wed May 27 11:00:40 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:00:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Set-up Message-ID: <8360BC51-4C82-4F12-81F6-6E16C22BFDA6@me.com> Hi Gang, I spoke to Jake several days ago. The SEL space at Coolspring will be in the same place it has been for about 12 years now. We will be in the 2nd row way down at the far end near the trees. I'll have the SEL logo/sign up at the near end of the row and the SEL signs on the area by Wed. (June 17th.) Please fill in the area from the tree end back toward the entrance so that we can give back any of the area we don't fill up and still be together. Hope to see you there! Dave PS, Don't forget the featured engine is the mighty HERCULES and SPARTA ECONOMY! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 27 10:46:10 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > Steve: > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > Thanks and take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > send me your address. Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 27 12:05:23 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve; Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Steve: > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Royster > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > > send me your address. Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed May 27 12:07:15 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show Message-ID: Could anyone provide a link to the Portland show ? I have a friend that may try to go & never heard of it. Thanks Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 27 12:31:54 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:31:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09? Message-ID: <20090527.123154.304.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Frank. It would be something close to: Eastern Hell On Wheels Tour 2009. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 frank skinner writes: > > Steve; > > Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 ____________________________________________________________ Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLxSUXezPjadjNlYn8Is05yndNi2rsV6Bi2IlITWTLMIUAA4eRuQQ/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 27 12:35:57 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:35:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction Message-ID: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Make that European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009 ____________________________________________________________ Earn a degree in Criminal Justice and work as a Police officer. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1WBrVgtOwmwd5hE2WFUaConpS7BXtsc3bNexjnNUSB4yZ42vQ0/ From ivancou at windstream.net Wed May 27 13:07:42 2009 From: ivancou at windstream.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:07:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show References: Message-ID: http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed May 27 13:12:03 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:12:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction In-Reply-To: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090527.123557.304.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4526713D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Ron, You got it. You should have joined the tour when I first announced it. ;-) For those that don't know, the tour starts in Amsterdam on Friday morning and for 10 days we cram as many engine shows and collections in as we can see. The current plan is to see over 20 collections plus spend 3 days at the Nuenen engine show. We'll be in Holland, Germany, and Belgium on this trip. Since these tours require long days of driving and visiting collections, they have become known as the Hell On Wheels Tours. I've done them in the States as well, hence the European prefix on the EHOWT09. I head to the airport at 5am tomorrow morning (Thursday) and should meet up with the Royster brothers at the airport in Newark for our flight to Amsterdam. Not sure Europe is ready for both Royster brothers plus Arnie at the same time. Actually, can you imagine spending 10 days in a van traveling with them? ;-) Bound to be some good stories when this thing is over! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] EHOWT09 correction Make that European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009 ____________________________________________________________ Earn a degree in Criminal Justice and work as a Police officer. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1WBrVgtOwmwd5hE2WFUaConpS7BXtsc3bNexjnNUSB4yZ42vQ0/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 27 13:25:50 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show Message-ID: <20090527.162550.1496.4.jlb94> www.tristategasengine-tractor.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:15 -0400 frank skinner writes: > > Could anyone provide a link to the Portland show ? > > I have a friend that may try to go & never heard of it. > > > > Thanks > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcMTyY2HQJtaELlVdOc9olNYhDb9lfmn7JKsHwgWtE31uG1HNG/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed May 27 16:08:01 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: I'll try to rememberize you 'bout it if my CRS don't kick-in. :-) Have a ball! Take care - Elde http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve > Royster > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:46 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back > from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried > after seeing that much old iron so remind me in > two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > Steve: > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse > you for copying and postage), I'd also like to > have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the > Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll > be looking for another unusual engine feature to > build a homebrew engine around. > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed May 27 17:00:01 2009 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS Message-ID: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Received sad news from one of our fellow engine list member Dave Croft. His wife Margory after a long battle of illness passed away peacefully in her sleep earlier today. Please give Dave a email or call to let him know you care and support the loss of his soul mate. May God Bless her soul and look over Dave. Curt & Becky Andree From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 17:20:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer crash. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS > Received sad news from one of our fellow engine list member Dave Croft. > His wife Margory after a long battle of illness passed away peacefully in > her sleep earlier today. Please give Dave a email or call to let him know > you care and support the loss of his soul mate. > May God Bless her soul and look over Dave. > Curt & Becky Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 27 18:38:31 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:38:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Frank, George beat me to it but it is the ultimate engine tour of europe's best collections and a visit to Mecca, the Neunen Engine show thrown in! Pictures upon return. Steve > From: marinesurveys at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:05:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Steve; > > Enlighten us on, what is "EHOWT09" > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:10 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Steve: > > > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse you for copying and postage), I'd also like to have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll be looking for another unusual engine feature to build a homebrew engine around. > > > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > > Royster > > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 09:16 PM > > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, I do have a lot of the McVicker > > > > drawings that might be helpful to you. I thought > > > > it was the same as the St Marys and Tommy just > > > > confirmed it. I will get you copys if you will > > > > send me your address. Steve > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed May 27 20:33:45 2009 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Daydreaming Message-ID: "I was very much taken by the B-25 Mitchells at Falcon Field, and I thought that I'd like to take time out, buy an aircraft, see it restored properly" Peter, my dad built those Mitchells at the North American Aviation factory in the Fairfax district of Kansas City, KS. He herded a crew that put them back to stock after a modification had been tried and found wanting. He'd love to help, were he here to do it. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 27 21:50:17 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:50:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS In-Reply-To: <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160905272150s5c92ad07o77e1eb089f6b214b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/28 : > Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer > crash. > > Paul dave.croft at ntlworld.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 05:13:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Elden, It will definitely be travel fatigue. The fine Belgin ales and German beers will have NOTHING to do with his returning condition. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, May 27, 2009 1:46 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain > may be > fried after seeing that much old iron so remind me in two weeks please. Thanks From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 06:28:25 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast Message-ID: Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen rally Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 See ya, Arnie From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 28 06:29:53 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:29:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: Message-ID: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> EXCELLENT, just waiting on Steve then off to the airport! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen > rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu May 28 06:51:41 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 19 to 25 degrees? You guys are going to FREEZE your collective asses off! Dave PS, What does the "C" stand for? ("Cold?") On May 28, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the > Nuenen rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 28 06:51:51 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74b3f4359774aed696b5793581cfe5c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Bugger... Forgot the Nuenen link... http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/index.htm Clearly, time for another beer... 8-)) On Thu, May 28, 2009 9:28 am, Arnie Fero wrote: > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 06:58:39 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:58:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: Message-ID: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> I'm sitting at the Portland Oregon airport waiting to board my flight to Newark. Will be meeting up with Steve and Mike at Newark, then the 3 of us are on the same flight to Amsterdam. Looking forward to meeting up with everyone at the airport and getting this tour on the road!! Should be lots of fun and I'm sure someone will post a few pictures or stories while we're on the tour. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the Nuenen > rally > Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 07:06:17 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:06:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: <74b3f4359774aed696b5793581cfe5c0.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <87F83C6A2A6E4EAFA5C75CEC2D2EEF09@BLUE2> Did Arnie mention beer???? ;-) One of the nice things we did last tour was have an after hours private tour of a local brewery in Weilheim Germany. Unfortunately, going back there this year didn't work out. However, I got a email yesterday from my German friend and he's going to deliver some of the Weilheimer beer to one of our stops! Talk about great friends! The kind that drives hundreds of miles and drops off some beer for you to enjoy! (Actually, he was already driving within a couple kilometers of one of our stops and said he'd drop off some beer for us) George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > Bugger... Forgot the Nuenen link... > http://home.hetnet.nl/~antonvandercruijsen/index.htm > > Clearly, time for another beer... 8-)) > From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 07:48:03 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Got on the plane, got kicked off :-( References: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <84A3571F5B3F4D709B48A07A33025F5B@BLUE2> Was sitting on the plane waiting for my flight to Newark to leave. Then we were informed we all had to get off! Seems there is an air traffic control problem around New York and our flight is being delayed. Rather than departing at 7:45 (now) they expect us to depart at 8:30. If that holds true I should still arrive in Newark in time for the flight to Amsterdam. Hope the Royster boys, also flying into Newark, didn't cut their connection time too close and get impacted by a similar delay on their flight. George From george at irontrader.com Thu May 28 14:41:52 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:41:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 References: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) it looks like they won't make the flight :-( To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on Saturday. George From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu May 28 16:12:01 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:12:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 Message-ID: Welcome to the New York / New Jersey area. Just blink once and something else will happen. Have a safe flight. KK In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, george at irontrader.com writes: I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) it looks like they won't make the flight :-( To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on Saturday. **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only Savings. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 29 04:49:59 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:49:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 In-Reply-To: <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> References: <856e495ef22ba852b07fddca8a3a4928.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <2E870FAE3C184DAC8A96EB9EFEFD1328@BLUE2> Message-ID: <6f6025160905290449t6567ac9ewf8245cd2a8af9cc8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/28 George Best : > I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. > > Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked at the > counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of Charolette (sp) > it looks like they won't make the flight :-( > > To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( > > Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on > Saturday. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > We're about halfway across the North Sea on the Ferry, local time 12.56 UK, almost didn't make it due to a miscalculation of driving times with the trailer on, but we were last on the ship before they pulled the ramp. Beautiful weather, sea calm, booked by us specially for the weekend :-)) Arrive 15.35pm UK time or 16.35 Dutch local time. Marine access Wifi works well, just goes to show what they can do these days! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Fri May 29 07:40:30 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:40:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner/Charity Auction Message-ID: <311B7FC8-95E3-4A19-812B-4CB3EEAE3709@me.com> Hi All, Once again it's time to plan for the Annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction during the Portland Show in August! Again this year the dinner/ auction will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. (See: http://back40junction.com/default.aspx) The Back 40 is at 1011 North 13th Street (that's Rt. 27) in Decatur, about 25 miles North of the show grounds. It's on the West side of Rt. 27 at the North end of town. As usual the dinner will be at 6:00 p.m. on Thursday, August the 27th, and the charity auction will follow. Although not necessary for attendance, I do wish you would let me know if you plan to attend so that I can give Ellen an approximate number. (Off list would be best. I'm at rotigel at me.com) We, once again, will have the back room to ourselves for the dinner and auction! Please start thinking about what you plan to donate to the auction and start saving your money in order to bid--early and often as well as against yourself when necessary. ATIS has raised a good amount of money for some very worthwhile causes over the years. Let's keep that tradition alive once again this year! Dave at rotigel at me.com From rotigel at me.com Fri May 29 07:44:54 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:44:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trouble with EHOWT09 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife flies to the UK and EU several times a year. She will NOT GO NEAR the Newark airport for love nor money! Hell, the Roysters might end up on a "nearby" hotel until the 13th of June! doG ONLY knows where George and/or his luggage will end up! Dave On May 28, 2009, at 7:12 PM, BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com wrote: > Welcome to the New York / New Jersey area. Just blink once and > something > else will happen. Have a safe flight. > KK > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > george at irontrader.com writes: > > I'm at the Newark airport waiting to board the flight to Amsterdam. > > Unfortunately, the Royster brothers are no where in sight! Checked > at the > counter in the boarding area and if they are flying out of > Charolette (sp) > it looks like they won't make the flight :-( > > To top it off my cell phone stopped working :-( > > Hopefully they will contact Harry and we may have to pick them up on > Saturday. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member- > Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp > :%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri May 29 09:26:02 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:26:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, About 30 minutes ago another Maytag Twin sprang to life again. (Luckily Arnie is on the EHOWT 09 so I will not have to read and "boat anchor" comments - but then there is always Dave to make up for Arnie's absence :-) ). This is the one that I wrote to the lists a few months ago regarding help on purchasing a Briggs twin coil on eBay. At that time I had many offers of help but Ron Haskell jumped right in and bought them for me. Many thanks Ron - your help is very appreciated. The Briggs coils (I bought 2) arrived about a month later but it's only recently that I've had a little spare time to try them out. It's quite a simple matter to replace the Maytag coil with the Briggs coil and I finally did it this afternoon. After I'd figured out the timing the little beast sprang to life on the first try - albeit with an electric drill - not the kickstart. (Friday afternoon and I'm tired - much easier with a drill and socket especially when there is the possibility of a problem!). I still need to sort out the timing a little but , in principle "it works". Time for a "B&C" :-) I took a short video but my camera batteries bombed out after about 10 sec. - as soon as they are recharged I'll take a longer one. In the meantime (for the doubters) here is the short version: Full webpage will follow soon. P.S. Our ISP is F------ Around with the mail server again and I'm not getting mail coming through (I can send but not receive) so I'll probably only get to see any replies tomorrow.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From george at irontrader.com Fri May 29 14:30:11 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT Back on track! References: <003201c9df98$62a19730$83674b47@mikecomp> <84A3571F5B3F4D709B48A07A33025F5B@BLUE2> Message-ID: The Royster boys finally made it to Amsterdam. However, they ended up flying to Paris first and then to Amsterdam arriving 5 hours after the rest of the group. While waiting for Mike and Steve to arrive we visited the Cruiquis water pumpiing station. It was built in 1847 and used a steam engine to pump 55,000 gallons of water a minute to drain lake water. After the water pumping station we did a tourist thing by going to see some traditional windmills. Finall met up with Steve and Mike and went to visit the first engine collection. We spent 4 hours there looking at engines and running 6 or more engine. Then it was back to Harry's house for a late dinner at 10pm, then dropped the guys off at a bed & breakfast place shortly before 11pm! So its been a long day. I've been up around 36 hours now and hope I can get to sleep soon. We pick up the guys at 9am to head to a couple collections then to the Nuenen engine show. Weather is great and I think everyone is having a great time other than the airline problems several of us had in getting here. George From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri May 29 19:08:08 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:08:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SAD NEWS References: <052820090000.13320.4A1DD4010001796800003408223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><5F75E13341C04CB4B624F96DA42EE570@PAUL> <6f6025160905272150s5c92ad07o77e1eb089f6b214b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SAD NEWS > 2009/5/28 : >> Curt can you send me Dave's e-mail address. I lost it in my last computer >> crash. >> >> Paul > > dave.croft at ntlworld.com > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat May 30 05:06:36 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:06:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6CF51569ED7F499095BE36E272405991@peterlowe> Hi Jerry Great work mate, when running correctly (go away Dave and Arnie) they do purr like a kitten, on one or two cylinders. I ran Kaye's Maytag at the Rusty Iron Rally for two days on one cylinder, a spectator felt the cylinders and said why is one hot and one cold. On inspection one plug had fouled but made no real difference to the sound at all or to its running. Might little engine, er motor ;-)))) You need the muffler on it to make it run smoother. Peter, Oz > Hi all, > About 30 minutes ago another Maytag Twin sprang to life again. > (Luckily Arnie is on the EHOWT 09 so I will not have to read and "boat > anchor" comments - but then there is always Dave to make up for Arnie's > absence :-) ). > This is the one that I wrote to the lists a few months ago > regarding help on purchasing a Briggs twin coil on eBay. At that time I > had > many offers of help but Ron Haskell jumped right in and bought them for > me. > Many thanks Ron - your help is very appreciated. > The Briggs coils (I bought 2) arrived about a month later but it's > only recently that I've had a little spare time to try them out. > It's quite a simple matter to replace the Maytag coil with the > Briggs coil and I finally did it this afternoon. After I'd figured out the > timing the little beast sprang to life on the first try - albeit with an > electric drill - not the kickstart. (Friday afternoon and I'm tired - much > easier with a drill and socket especially when there is the possibility of > a problem!). I still need to sort out the timing a little but , in > principle "it works". Time for a "B&C" :-) > I took a short video but my camera batteries bombed out after > about 10 sec. - as soon as they are recharged I'll take a longer one. In > the meantime (for the doubters) here is the short version: > > > Full webpage will follow soon. > P.S. Our ISP is F------ Around with the mail server again and I'm not > getting mail coming through (I can send but not receive) so I'll probably > only get to see any replies tomorrow.) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Sat May 30 08:48:22 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090529174433.022c3ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0KKG00CTSRWRFX00@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Jerry, Sounds like the timing may be off slightly. Either that, or the governor is turned town and it's running at a lower speed than I'm used to. Either way, it sounds pretty good. I don't have any Maytag Twins right now, but I used to love running them. They are one of the smoothest runners of all time. -Tony From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun May 31 08:56:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:56:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 62, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090531175301.01aa27e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 30/05/2009, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:06:36 +1000 >From: "Peter Lowe" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives. >Hi Jerry >Great work mate, when running correctly (go away Dave and Arnie) they do >purr like a kitten, on one or two cylinders. >I ran Kaye's Maytag at the Rusty Iron Rally for two days on one cylinder, a >spectator felt the cylinders and said why is one hot and one cold. On >inspection one plug had fouled but made no real difference to the sound at >all or to its running. Might little engine, er motor ;-)))) >You need the muffler on it to make it run smoother. >Peter, Oz Hi Peter, All answered on the other list!! Except: In South Africa motors have electric wires connected to them :-) (for Dave and Arnie - those are NOT the wires that run to the electric motor that makes the Maytag turn) :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 31 12:15:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= Message-ID: Who gets to take her home? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190309127658&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:1123 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 31 13:56:07 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:56:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/2009 3:25:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob at rustyiron.com writes: Who gets to take her home? Rob, Are you bragging? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 31 15:15:49 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:15:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?LaFormi=96Jimmy_O=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> Nope. My meager bid was insufficient. I knew Jimmy was sniffing around, and was hoping that he got it so I could see it run when he brought it out to a show. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Rob, > > Are you bragging?